highaltitude.log.20131019

[00:01] <WillTablet> Oh hi craag
[00:01] <WillTablet> How are you?
[00:01] <craag> Hey Will
[00:01] <craag> Not too bad thanks
[00:01] <craag> you?
[00:06] <craag> Time for bed, work tomorrow :/
[00:07] <WillTablet> Oh I'm fine thanks, night
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[03:59] <M6PFX-Paul> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24586394
[04:06] <jarod> :D
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[04:54] <Joel_re> hey
[04:54] <Joel_re> how does one calculate teh cpu clock frequency for a baudrate
[04:55] <Joel_re> e.g at 50 baud, 1Mhz clock frequency, what should the delay be between each bit
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[07:29] <Upu> SP3OSJ if anyone in Poland is tracking
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[07:32] <SQ9MDD> we are waiting for this baloon
[07:34] <Upu> his flight doc is wrong
[07:34] <Upu> set for tuesday launch
[07:39] <x-f> my calendar shows it on Saturday, but 26th, not this one
[07:40] <SQ9MDD> true..
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[07:59] <DL1SGP2> good morning
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[08:00] <x-f> good morning
[08:00] <x-f> DL1SGP2, are you DL1SGP's v.2 now? :)
[08:01] <DL1SGP2> kinda :) we had some ISP issues here lately which caused too many reconnects
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[08:14] <G4BWR_Mark> Hi, Noticed on dl-fldigi there is an entry for ATLAS, anyone have more info on this launch? frequencies etc?
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[08:16] <jcoxon> G4BWR_Mark, yeah details are on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:22] <G4BWR_Mark> Ah, they are now! Thanks
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[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> Anybody know anything about the AVR ISP MKII programmer?
[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> And how to sort of get it working with Windows. I can't find anything
[08:29] <eroomde_> in as much as i have used one
[08:29] <eroomde_> ah
[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> yea, it's proving quite difficult
[08:29] <eroomde_> it should Just Work
[08:29] <eroomde_> what is your toolchain?
[08:29] <eroomde_> WinAVR?
[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> erm, don't think so
[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> I was just using Arduino :P
[08:30] <ibanezmatt13> didn't know what to do, I'm looking at setting the fuses
[08:30] <Maxell> 14:00 BST, isn't that like evening and stuff?
[08:30] <eroomde_> well, arduino is built on avrdude so in theory it should work
[08:30] <daveake> Ah yeh you need the right driver
[08:31] <wd8mnv> what's the target chip?
[08:31] <daveake> AVR Studio installs the wrong one IIRC
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> I think it's something wrong with the driver actually
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> I've not got AVR studio
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> I tried it once and it never worked
[08:31] <daveake> Well do you have a driver installed?
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> Apparently not
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> :
[08:32] <ibanezmatt13> Is there a specific driver for win 8 or something?
[08:32] <daveake> dunno about Win 8, but yes. Google it
[08:32] <ibanezmatt13> right
[08:32] <Maxell> oh, 4 pm Berlin time
[08:33] <DL1SGP> yes Maxell
[08:33] <daveake> well you get the idea
[08:33] <ibanezmatt13> http://gettheworkdone.net/images/nerdkits/Projects/unsigned.pdf
[08:33] <ibanezmatt13> looks like it could work
[08:34] <eroomde_> useless bot
[08:34] <daveake> sleepybot
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> It probably knows there are no solutions for win 8 :P
[08:34] <daveake> There's always a solution for Windows 8
[08:34] <daveake> Linux
[08:34] <daveake> or Windows 7
[08:34] <DL1SGP> yeap :D
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> Well daveake, couldn't I do it on my Pi?
[08:35] <daveake> probably
[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> avrdude is the command line program I think, I'm sure it'll work
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[08:41] <gonzo_> do we know anything about the wsmeteor group?
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[08:41] <gonzo_> they are pretty local to me. I'd have offered to lend a hand if I'd knows
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[08:42] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, what program do you use normally for setting fuses on atmegas?
[08:42] <daveake> I don't
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[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> oh right :)
[08:44] <eroomde_> you do it on avrdude
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[08:44] <eroomde_> but arduino should probe do all that automagically
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[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> right, so basically all I need to do is get it to recognise the programmer
[08:45] <daveake> Yes. I've yet to get around to doing AVR without Arduino.
[08:45] <ibanezmatt13> I'm also guessing you're not on win 8 :P
[08:45] <ibanezmatt13> I'll read some more forums
[08:46] <mfa298> from the bit of looking I did a while ago it looks like for fuses you need avrdude or avrstudio.
[08:46] <daveake> ibanezmatt13 If you intend to use Arduino with the AVR ISP, all you need to do is 1- Install that driver, 2- tell the IDE what programmer to use, 3- remember to hold down the shift key when you hit the program icon
[08:46] <ibanezmatt13> the last two are easy enough
[08:46] <ibanezmatt13> just looking for a driver
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[08:47] <ibanezmatt13> and I believe I have to do all sorts of stuff in the cmd prompt for unsigned drivers or something
[08:47] <daveake> Just google it
[08:47] <daveake> we gave you the search string
[08:47] <daveake> I shall make it easy for you .... the special word is Jungo
[08:48] <ibanezmatt13> Aha, but. I tried installing the jungo driver once before after the avr studio one failed
[08:48] <ibanezmatt13> the jungo one also faild
[08:48] <ibanezmatt13> but I'll try agai
[08:48] <daveake> So when you saud you didn't install avr studio ....
[08:48] <daveake> Anyhoo this is a common issue google is your friend
[08:49] <ibanezmatt13> when I did it I installed avr studio along with the default driver that came with it. I then preceeded to install the Jungo driver after disabling the other one after hearing it didn't work and it still didn't work. I shall do some Googling
[08:50] <daveake> http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=118089.0
[08:50] <daveake> That's the first hit using the search terms erlier
[08:51] <mfa298> you might need to uninstall the driver rather than disabling it - If you used disable in th device manager you probably disabed the device
[08:51] <ibanezmatt13> thanks daveake
[08:51] <ibanezmatt13> yes good point
[08:51] <ibanezmatt13> I'll follow that thread
[08:51] <daveake> Yes remove don't disable
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[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> is it installer x86 or installer x64?
[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> The PC is 64 bit
[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> didn't know what 86 meant
[08:53] <daveake> The windows is ...?
[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> 8
[08:53] <daveake> 32 or 64
[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> 64
[08:53] <daveake> So the answer is ....
[08:54] <ibanezmatt13> well 64 logically
[08:54] <daveake> .............................x64
[08:54] <ibanezmatt13> just wondered why there was a 86 :)
[08:54] <daveake> there you go
[08:54] <wd8mnv> 42
[08:54] <daveake> For machines that are 32-bit
[08:54] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, didn't know that
[08:54] <daveake> x86 ... Intel 8086 etc
[08:55] <fsphil> x86_64 is less confusing :)
[08:55] <ibanezmatt13> ok daveake, I downloaded this zip file http://mightyohm.com/blog/2010/09/avrisp-mkii-libusb-drivers-for-windows-7-vista-x64/ after reading the first step on that link you sent, and I ran the .exe as admin, and it just flashed and went straight off again
[08:56] <daveake> I love* that MS put 64-bit stuff in the system32 folder and 32-bit in the SysWOW64 folder
[08:56] <daveake> *hate
[08:56] <fsphil> lol yea
[08:56] <fsphil> that caught me out a few times
[08:56] <ibanezmatt13> now it says for win 7 64 but I don't think there is a win 8 version
[08:57] <daveake> doubt that matters
[08:57] <fsphil> you're running win8?
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[08:57] <daveake> Did you uninstall the avr studio driver?
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> I reinstalled windows! :)
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> because I was so frustrated with it, I figured I'd have a fresh install
[08:58] <daveake> You missed the chance to install Linux then
[08:58] <ibanezmatt13> yes, very true
[08:58] <ibanezmatt13> but I'll have to make do
[08:58] <daveake> Did you uninstall the avr studio driver?
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> most certainly
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> there are currently no drivers at all to do with the programmer
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> it's a windows PC with pretty much Chrome and Arduino, that's it :)
[09:00] <daveake> unplug device, install driver, plug in device, check device manager
[09:00] <ibanezmatt13> the install driver bit isn't going well
[09:00] <ibanezmatt13> everything else I can manage
[09:00] <daveake> "not going well" meaning it didn't show a message of any sort?
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> So I must plug it in when there are no drivers installed?
[09:01] <daveake> no
[09:01] <daveake> install driver, plug in device, check device manager
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> yep, I'm currently on step 1, finding some drivers which actually install instead of just flashing and going off again :p
[09:02] <daveake> how do you know the driver didn't install?
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> I didn't think it could install in 3 nS, but I'll plug it in and check
[09:02] <daveake> So, plug in device, check device manager
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[09:03] <daveake> I seem to be doing a lot of cut n pasting
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> ok device manager shows AVR MKII, with a yellow warning triange over it
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> triangle*
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> and it says "drivers are not installed"£
[09:03] <daveake> no driver then, probably, take a look
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> definitely no driver
[09:04] <daveake> yes I typed that before your last post
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> so I need to google Jungo drivers for mkii
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[09:07] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, found something, page 4 http://www.telwis.pl/downloads/user_manuals/english/AVRMKII_UG.pdf
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[09:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> Good Morning!
[09:08] <ibanezmatt13> morning :)
[09:08] <DL1SGP> hi Steve. good morning
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[09:08] <Steve_G0TDJ> Hey Felix :-)
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I just refreshed my window. It wasn't scrolling properly so I re-started Chrome
[09:09] <DL1SGP> ah
[09:09] <Steve_G0TDJ> I don't really like Chrome but it works best with Tracker
[09:10] <DL1SGP> what does it look like concerning you projects for tomorrow Steve?
[09:10] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still unsure. I've sent a text to the Scout leader to ask what the conditions are like today but the forecasts are a little unclear.
[09:11] <DL1SGP> ah
[09:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> It won't be bright I know that. If I think there will be a dry window then I'll go for it
[09:11] <Steve_G0TDJ> Final decision at around 17:00 today
[09:12] <DL1SGP> good :D I will keep an eye on the map tomorrow and read posts to the mailing list
[09:12] <DL1SGP> attending a music festival tonight
[09:12] <Steve_G0TDJ> Nice :-)
[09:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> Right now, I better get off and carry on preparing
[09:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> I'll dip in and out during the day
[09:13] <DL1SGP> do not forget sufficient coffee :D
[09:13] <Steve_G0TDJ> LOL :D
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[09:15] <fsphil> tried firefox Steve_G0TDJ?
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[09:20] <jcoxon> right payload working
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[09:20] <daveake> jcoxon That's early - you have a whole day to go before launch :)
[09:20] <fsphil> yea you're clearly doing this wrong :)
[09:21] <jcoxon> well thats the first payload
[09:21] <fsphil> forecast for tomorrow has gotten worse. definitly can't launch
[09:22] <fsphil> I wonder if I applied for next weekend would DM do it
[09:23] <jcoxon> fsphil, he's pretty good about that
[09:23] <jcoxon> i only emailed him 5 days ago
[09:24] <daveake> I emailed yesterday 1pm and got the permission at 5:30pm, for next Wed
[09:24] <fsphil> I asked him if he's prefer a longer date range, or me applying for weekends. he never answered
[09:24] <fsphil> he'd*
[09:24] <daveake> IME he prefers doing shorter periods even if it means issuing multiple permissions
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[09:26] <daveake> So he'll usually suggest that he issues permission for the first dates, then wait to see if I managed to launch, then issue for the next set if I didn't
[09:29] <fsphil> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2013/uk_hf_balloon_launches_today.htm
[09:29] <fsphil> the launch time is lunch-friendly too
[09:30] <jcoxon> hehe
[09:32] <jcoxon> high risk of launch time being pushed back
[09:33] <fsphil> slight risk of lightning today
[09:34] <fsphil> less so where you're launching from
[09:39] <Chetic> I'm having some hardware trouble with my I2C: http://imgur.com/zy76eCq,iOSczT7,MUMWHae (Green is SCL, Pink is SDA) Can anybody help me figure out why SCL doesn't seem to go to 0v when it's being pulled down? After a while it goes low enough for the pi to be able to interpret data but mostly it just doesn't work.
[09:40] <bertrik> I'm playing with the RFM22, modulating the tx frequency by changing the digitally programmable crystal load capacitance
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[09:41] <fsphil> Chetic: is there a pull-up on it anywhere? looks like the voltage is being divided
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[09:41] <bertrik> it works for RTTY, but the smallest frequency shift I can achieve is 440 Hz
[09:42] <fsphil> actually that makes no sense, ignore me
[09:43] <Chetic> fsphil: there is on the pi
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[09:43] <Chetic> fsphil: how would it be divided you mean? I'm new to electronics
[09:44] <fsphil> if there was a resistor in the wrong place maybe
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[09:44] <Chetic> hmm there isn't :/
[09:44] <bertrik> or perhaps the pull-up is way too strong
[09:45] <bertrik> (i.e. too small resistor value)
[09:45] <Chetic> it worked fine before I added two more i2c slaves
[09:45] <Chetic> I only have one set of pull-ups though
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[09:48] <fsphil> the resistor on SCL is definitly from SCL to VCC?
[09:48] <Chetic> yes, it's the native one on the pi
[09:49] <fsphil> so no other resistors?
[09:49] <Chetic> no
[09:49] <fsphil> hmpf
[09:49] <Chetic> removed those
[09:49] <Chetic> from the breakout boards
[09:49] <daveake> Pi i2c does its own pullups, but extra ones shouldn't stop it working
[09:50] <fsphil> would increase the current usage a bit
[09:53] <daveake> yes
[09:54] <Chetic> hrm
[09:54] <Chetic> so any tips on what to do?
[09:54] <Chetic> I'm very much lost
[09:55] <daveake> Any of these breakout boards running from 5V?
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[09:55] <Chetic> no it's all 3v3
[09:56] <fsphil> check if the scl line has a short to vcc on any of the breakouts maybe?
[09:56] <Chetic> wouldn't that prevent anything from happening?
[09:56] <Chetic> like it'd just stay at 3v3
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[09:57] <fsphil> the track would become like a low ohm resistor, the point you measure at might be half way. just guesing
[09:58] <Chetic> what's "the track"?
[09:58] <fsphil> the SCL wire
[09:58] <fsphil> or trace on the pcb
[09:58] <fez_> check the negative -ve return connections
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[09:59] <Chetic> no idea what that means fez_
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[10:01] <Chetic> fez_: would you mind clarifying?
[10:03] <fez_> chetic I think you need to check the supply wires/tracks connections between espescially the negative
[10:04] <Chetic> I thought if there was a short, the signal would be completely 0v or completely 3v3
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[10:04] <Chetic> but I guess if it's just on the edge of a short, it'll act as a resistor
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[10:05] <Chetic> so ok, I will start by checking for peculiar resistances
[10:05] <fez_> yes and that would give you a level above negative ie no earth
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[10:21] Action: ibanezmatt13 HAS FIXED HIS PROGRAMMER!
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[10:24] <hix_> tt
[10:24] <hix_> nick Hix
[10:24] <hix_> bah
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[10:25] <fsphil> nearly
[10:25] <hix_> I cannot be me :/
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[10:26] <Hix> hah - forgot I was logged in on windows too
[10:27] <Hix> blimmin VMs
[10:27] <Hix> launch aujourd hui?
[10:27] <nats`> Hix you're french ?
[10:27] <Hix> nope
[10:27] <nats`> oh ok :D
[10:27] <Hix> randomly switch languages though :D
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[10:28] <Hix> nats` how did you get on with altium?
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[10:28] <nats`> installed but not tried more for the moment
[10:29] <nats`> my current project is on kicad
[10:29] <nats`> I'll switch on the next
[10:29] <Hix> k
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[10:33] <Hix> ping Upu
[10:36] <Upu> hi hix
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[10:36] <Hix> hi Upu, found mixcloud this morning. used it?
[10:37] <Hix> s'great
[10:37] <Upu> never heard of it
[10:37] <Upu> I shall go look
[10:38] <Hix> go forth and be aurally merry
[10:38] <Upu> lol thx
[10:38] <Hix> ;)
[10:38] <x-f> WSMETEOR on the map now
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[10:39] <Hix> WSMETEOR dorset?
[10:39] <Upu> yep
[10:39] <Hix> sweet, magmount test then :D
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[10:41] <DutchMillbt> Good Morning / afternoon. What kind of flight is WSMETEOR pico or a bigger one?
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[10:41] <Upu> latex 1000g
[10:41] <Upu> He flight
[10:42] <DutchMillbt> oke yhankz Upu
[10:42] <Upu> gonzo_ you could probably hear it on the ground from there
[10:42] <DutchMillbt> Thankz..
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[10:42] <Hix> is that a deluxe version of Babs?
[10:42] <daveake> I doubt I'll have much trouble tracking that one :)
[10:43] <Upu> well it all depends if Mr Hillcox's antenna building skills are up to par
[10:43] <Upu> its a habduino so signal should be stable
[10:43] <daveake> He knows he needs one, right?
[10:43] <Hix> heh
[10:43] <Upu> yeah but he made it
[10:43] <Upu> then posted it to Ian
[10:44] <GMT> the objective of WSMETEOR is to land at the Elsworth launch site
[10:44] Action: daveake gets out the big aerial
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[10:44] <Upu> at least they are rxing it on the ground
[10:44] <Upu> this is a good first step
[10:44] <daveake> it is
[10:44] <daveake> and uploading
[10:44] <Upu> I know
[10:44] <Hix> "XD"
[10:45] <Upu> indeed :)
[10:46] <daveake> local rx ... upload ... notam ... all looks good :)
[10:47] <Upu> I have a monitoring machine on the Pi running MT in Chromium
[10:47] <Upu> in full screen
[10:47] <Upu> I didn't want any CPU's left anyway
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[10:47] <x-f> what is MT?
[10:47] <Upu> mobile tracker
[10:47] <Upu> habhub.org/mt
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[10:50] <gonzo_> upu: if it wasn't for me being in a valley, yep I prob would heae them
[10:50] <gonzo_> hear
[10:50] <Upu> should get it pretty quickly after launch though
[10:51] <DF2MZ> how is it going with the M6JCX balloon?
[10:51] <gonzo_> have been online all day ready
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[10:51] <gonzo_> are the wsmeteor on this irc chan?
[10:52] <gonzo_> M6CSV is prob in a beter location than me
[10:52] <Upu> not yet
[10:52] <Upu> guy is called Ian
[10:52] <Upu> suggested he came on here probably a little busy at the moment :)
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[10:53] <gonzo_> small family team
[10:53] <tweetBot> @Matt___Nott: Blog post on ISS & GRAVES and also some preliminary work on the X-ray 'telescope'. http://t.co/I7JLrztVUX #ISS #UKHAS
[10:53] <gonzo_> my only latex launch was on a very wet day. So no-one turned up. Was difficult!
[10:55] <Upu> can one of you who are close take a screen shot of the shift at launch and then when its up in the air
[10:55] <Upu> I'm interested to see if the LMT2 shift changes noticably
[10:56] <Hix> is it 434.6 dead on?
[10:56] <mclane> upu: will you sell habduino kits? We maybe want to start a scholl project based on that
[10:56] <mclane> school
[10:56] <gonzo_> yep no prob
[10:56] <Upu> yeah eventually mclane
[10:56] <Upu> I have 7 of them here
[10:56] <Upu> but something up with the level converters on them
[10:56] <Upu> not had chance to debug them
[10:56] <gonzo_> when it moves, I'll post the qrg
[10:57] <Hix> gonzo_ got a dial for WS...
[10:57] <Upu> 434.600
[10:57] <Upu> should be pretty much on the dial
[10:57] <Hix> coolio
[10:57] <Hix> ta
[10:57] <gonzo_> QRG - working freq
[10:57] <Hix> ahh
[10:57] <Upu> LMT2's you dial in the frequency and they are pretty much spot on
[10:58] <gonzo_> sry thought you meant the exacy dial freq
[10:58] <Hix> do they hace tcxo?
[10:58] <Upu> yes
[10:58] <gonzo_> can't hear them yet, but will post it when I do
[10:58] <Upu> in testing if I tell it to go to 434.600 its slap bang on it on my 817
[10:58] <Hix> neat
[10:58] <Hix> worth the extra £ then
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[10:59] <Upu> yep sadly the NTX2B isn't frequency agile yet
[11:01] <DF2MZ> so, what are you guys talking about?
[11:01] <Upu> the usual DF2MZ
[11:01] <Upu> balloons
[11:01] <Upu> radios etc :)
[11:02] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:02] <Upu> there is a balloon up over Poland and one about to launch in the UK
[11:02] <DF2MZ> any news abot the M6JCX balloon?
[11:02] <Upu> launch will be later on
[11:02] <Upu> about 1600 CET I suspect
[11:03] <DF2MZ> ok
[11:03] <Upu> you should be able to receive that one
[11:03] <Upu> as it will be high
[11:03] <DF2MZ> I will try
[11:03] <DF2MZ> on shortwave too
[11:03] <DL1SGP1> Guten Tag Edgar
[11:03] <DF2MZ> but wondering why they chose 13.56 MHz for shortwave
[11:03] <Hix> should SDR# be using @40% cpu?
[11:03] <Upu> ISM band
[11:03] <Upu> its all we can use airborne over here
[11:04] <DF2MZ> I checked, there is such a lot of QRM in this frequency
[11:04] <Upu> there will be
[11:04] <Upu> and if you can hear it I'll be surprised as its only 10mW
[11:04] <Upu> but its just an experiment
[11:04] <Upu> the 70cms TX should be fine
[11:05] <DF2MZ> 13.56 is 20 dB worse than 14.x
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[11:05] <Upu> yep
[11:05] <DF2MZ> lot of industrial stuff, leaking
[11:05] <ibanezmatt13> important question: my avr board runs only at 3v3. With the avr programmer, when I put it onto the ICSP header, will it not fry it?
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[11:06] <Upu> no ibanezmatt13 the programmer doesn't supply voltage only reads it
[11:06] <DF2MZ> hi DL1SGP
[11:06] <ibanezmatt13> good good
[11:06] <daveake> no it'll be fine
[11:06] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
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[11:06] <Upu> just make sure you get pin 1 lined up correctly
[11:06] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah I have
[11:07] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, do you have any information on what I need to do to set fuses on it. I gathered it'll be pretty much the same fuse set up as what you use
[11:07] <Upu> my suggestion which you can ignore entirely is get atmel studio
[11:07] <Upu> go download that, you can set your fuses from there
[11:07] <Upu> I've never worked out the black magic of using avrdude from the command line to do it
[11:07] <Hix> uncheck the eclips bit as that makes it massive to download
[11:07] <ibanezmatt13> now now, I had extreme trouble getting the programmer drivers to work
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> and avr studio botches it up even more
[11:08] <Upu> olimex programmer ?
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> nope
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> avr isp mkii
[11:08] <Upu> ok not sure then
[11:08] <Upu> I set fuses via atmel studio
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> but regarding fuses, I don't know really what they do
[11:08] <Upu> they set internally how the chip works
[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> so it may be possible to do it in Arduino
[11:08] <daveake> So why do you think you need to do anything with them?
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[11:08] <Upu> i.e does it use an external fuse
[11:08] <Upu> err
[11:09] <Upu> crystal
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see
[11:09] <daveake> Arduino does it
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> good
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> the programmer is working great with Arduino now
[11:09] <Upu> it doesn but sometimes Arduino can't write to it before you set fuses
[11:09] <daveake> I've never manually set an AVR fuse in my life
[11:09] <daveake> ok
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> Is there some sort of file I need to flash across Upu?
[11:10] <ibanezmatt13> to do the fuses
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[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> so the only thing the fuses have to do is tell it it's a 8mhz crystal, is that all?
[11:11] <Upu> Like I said ATmel studio does it
[11:11] <daveake> OK, this is because it's your own board so it doesn't have the bootloader on there or fuses set, right?
[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[11:11] <daveake> OK in that case ask Upu :p
[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> I'll tell you what
[11:12] <daveake> Once that step is done, then you don't need to change either
[11:12] <ibanezmatt13> I'll install amtel studio, but I will disable the auto install of the drive
[11:12] <ibanezmatt13> rr
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[11:12] <ibanezmatt13> so it won't mess the driver up, and it might work
[11:12] <Upu> that sounds like a plan
[11:12] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[11:13] <G4AIU-Eugene> GA all -
[11:15] <Upu> only just
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, I can't tell if I'm downloading the right software or a service pack :P
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> Atmel Studio 6.1 update 2.0 (build 2730) Installer  Full
[11:16] <Upu> looks like the full product to mre
[11:16] <daveake> "full"
[11:16] <Upu> me
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> cool, it said update so I was a bit doubtfu
[11:16] <ibanezmatt13> l
[11:17] <daveake> "update 2"
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[11:17] <fsphil> ah, not missed any launches
[11:17] <fsphil> we're into ISH time then for meteor
[11:17] <ibanezmatt13> I've been trying to work out what the current draw will be for the NORB board. If it's less than 50mA, I was gonna power it from the Pi. Otherwise, I'll have to try and setup my switchmode regulator to 3v3 with a dodgy multimeter
[11:18] <gonzo_> is that HAB time phil?
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[11:18] <gonzo_> like imaginary numbers for time
[11:18] <daveake> ibanezmatt13 That 50mA "limit" is BS
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> lol, Pi it is
[11:19] <daveake> I shall expand on that ....
[11:19] <gonzo_> so 11am jxxxx
[11:19] <daveake> .... on the model B that regulator supplies approx 450mA for the rest of the board
[11:19] <daveake> on the model A that's only 115mA
[11:20] <daveake> So that's 335mA extra available on the A
[11:20] <ibanezmatt13> ah so the 50mA limit is only for the model B?
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[11:20] <daveake> Besides, the 50mA wasn't entirely accurate in the first place
[11:21] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, good news then
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[11:25] <daveake> launch
[11:25] <daveake> come on gonzo_ you should have it by ow :p
[11:25] <fsphil> slacking
[11:25] <GMT> WSMETEOR up
[11:27] <gonzo_> pft, afk for 30sec and misse dit
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[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm getting quite a healthy signal but no decode ?
[11:29] <daveake> autocoinfig is wrong
[11:29] <daveake> Shift is 410 not 500
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> The shift is about 410Hz is the speed wrong as well ?
[11:29] <daveake> And I think it's 7 bits
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup 7bits
[11:30] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, is TP1 or TP2 postitive? I'm soldering the regulator output leads onto Pi
[11:31] <daveake> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[11:31] <GMT> just about audible in London, not quite good enough to decode
[11:32] <gonzo_> phones ringing, people at door. Roight. Back to decode!
[11:32] <gonzo_> it's 7bit, bit 8 bit as the auto config has
[11:32] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, thanks. TP1 is +
[11:32] <daveake> yeah we figured
[11:32] <Upu> yay
[11:32] <gonzo_> freq 434.6013
[11:32] <Upu> advice taken
[11:32] <Upu> 6m/s
[11:32] <Upu> I love people who listen
[11:33] <G4AIU-Eugene> Strong signal here - but no decode
[11:33] <Upu> check 7 bit G4AIU-Eugene
[11:33] <Upu> autoconfig has it set as 8
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> check the shift its 410Hz
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh step drop in freq
[11:35] <daveake> nope
[11:35] <daveake> stable here
[11:35] <gonzo_> I'm seeing about 440-450. Sigs st strong ita's hard to see the centre
[11:35] <daveake> Yes it's 410 shift
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[11:35] <Upu> again doc wrong on that sorry my bad
[11:36] <G4AIU-Eugene> OUPU - thanks - got that. now running green
[11:36] <daveake> Can't get the staff these days
[11:36] <gonzo_> yep 410hz looks better. Put some atten in to see the mark/space
[11:36] Nick change: daveake -> daveake_M6RPI
[11:36] <Upu> too close gonzo_ that 10mW overloading you ? :)
[11:37] <Upu> 13 satellites :)
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[11:37] <gonzo_> very strong and was getting a broad stripe on the wayerfall that was difficuolt to see the centres of the tones
[11:38] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> well looks like Chris can make antennas
[11:39] <GMT> fldigi question - bottom right corner, next to 'AFC' ... small diamond shape, sometimes goes green - what's that?
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> GMT audio level
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> green = good
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> black too low
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> red too high
[11:39] <Upu_M0UPU> adjust the input level so its always green
[11:40] <GMT> where do I adjust the input level?
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[11:40] <gonzo_> yep, at green, but max
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Adjust the output of the radio or SDR program
[11:40] <GMT> all I can really do it to turn up the volume
[11:41] <gonzo_> sry, thought that was at me
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[11:51] <g8fez> wsmeteor is a nice strong signal through GB3CK Ashford kent,,
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> What thru the repeater ?
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[11:52] <g8fez> on its input frequency good job has ctcss,
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah slight difference then!
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[11:54] <fsphil> who puts a repeater input in the ISM band?
[11:54] <g8fez> it is an S9+ so will cause a problem to some users Hi Hi
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[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can you access the repeater yourself g8fez ? and then record it perhaps ?
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[11:55] <fsphil> it's a 10mw signal. it's not going to cause any problems :)
[11:57] <daveake_M6RPI> The only problems it'll cause, as ever, is this discussion yet again
[11:57] <g8fez> If anyone is using CK then I'll record the effect but listening it is a strong signal wel into quitening
[11:57] <Maxell> yay for hour delay
[11:57] <Maxell> I'm back
[11:58] <fsphil> ISH at its best
[11:58] <Maxell> and seeing the blue circle coming clowser
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[11:58] <G4AIU-Eugene> On Tracker - why does it say " no current flights" - when WSMETEOR is now running? Nubie question! Tks.
[11:58] <Maxell> if I didn't went for that motorbike trip i'd had to wait for an hour
[11:58] <fsphil> G4AIU-Eugene: refresh the page
[11:59] <daveake_M6RPI> Yes the panel loads once
[11:59] <g1zvn> what frequency is WSMeteor on? I'm listening on 434.650
[11:59] <daveake_M6RPI> 600
[11:59] <fsphil> 434.600
[11:59] <Maxell> lol
[11:59] <G4AIU-Eugene> fsphil - did that, but no info here - win 7/32
[12:00] <Martin_G4FUI> Emerging from the noise in Penrith
[12:00] <Martin_G4FUI> I make it about 5kHz high
[12:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> G4AIU-Eugene, Clear the browser cache in that case CTRL-Sht-Del in most cases
[12:00] <daveake_M6RPI> Yeah it's at 603 on my waterfall, but I'm not sure how accurately that's calibrated
[12:00] <g1zvn> thanks, I mistyped, on 434.6 but only hear a constant carrier
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[12:01] <Maxell> likely QRM
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[12:01] <daveake_M6RPI> it's swinging around a bit
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> You are on USB not FM ?
[12:01] <daveake_M6RPI> and the ascent rate has dropped ... it's in a bit of turblence
[12:02] <daveake_M6RPI> +u
[12:02] <g1zvn> found it now, thanks
[12:02] <G4AIU-Eugene> Geoff-G8DHE and fsphil - did that and it now works - many thanks
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[12:03] <Martin_G4FUI> Strings went green as the blue line went over :)
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[12:04] <fsphil> right, tuned. need to wait on the horizon
[12:04] <Maxell> hmm, more like 400 Hz shift here
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/
[12:05] <fsphil> is the map lagging a bit again?
[12:05] Nick change: skoushik|4 -> skoushik
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks OK here
[12:07] <fsphil> 434.603 dial?
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.600.575 for me
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[12:08] <pjm_> a good copy here in Poole
[12:08] <fsphil> no point asking that I suppose, everyone's going to be slightly different
[12:08] <pjm_> 403Hz shift
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[12:10] <Maxell> 110 Hz smaller than autoconfigure?!
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[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 7b not 8b no parity 2 stop
[12:10] <Maxell> oh wowo
[12:10] <Maxell> ah, decoding now
[12:11] <fsphil> only 1 bit out
[12:11] <Maxell> 1 stop bit fsphil ?
[12:11] <fsphil> I mean the 8bit vs. 7bit
[12:11] <Maxell> :p
[12:11] <fsphil> stop bits don't matter :)
[12:12] <Maxell> o_0
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[12:14] <fsphil> ah I see it
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[12:15] <fsphil> 434.600.760 + 1500hz
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> I set the flight doc wrong sorry
[12:15] <fsphil> could put an updated one in there, would it take priority?
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> I copied an old Habduino one and since then I'd changed to code to make the shift 425
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea where the 8 bits came from
[12:15] <bertrik> fsphil: really? I'd guess that's one of the things that fldigi could use to improve sync
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> not if its approved fsphil
[12:16] <fsphil> it's the transition from stop bit to start that fldigi uses to start decoding a byte
[12:16] <Upu_M0UPU> signal is wobbly
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[12:16] <fsphil> the length of the stop bit actually doesn't matter
[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Won't it object if the Rx is set to be more than it actually is ?
[12:17] <fsphil> nope
[12:17] <fsphil> the setting in fldigi only changes how it transmits
[12:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right!
[12:17] <fsphil> the decoder assumes at least 1 stop bit
[12:17] <fsphil> then just waits for the next start bit
[12:18] <bertrik> fsphil: oh, I can imagine fldigi doing a better job at sampling the bits if it knows that bits come in at a steady rate, and not have to bit-sync every byte seperately
[12:18] <fsphil> bertrik: definitly
[12:19] <fsphil> wouldn't work so well for people transmitting rtty using delay()'s
[12:19] <bertrik> true
[12:19] <fsphil> the source would have to have consistant timing
[12:19] <fsphil> woo, partial decodes
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[12:22] <bertrik> getting mostly green decodes here at revspace, the hague, netherlands, 410 km :)
[12:22] <Maxell> <0.5 degreed horizon
[12:22] <fsphil> nothing here yet other than the partials
[12:22] <fsphil> can just about hear it on the radio
[12:23] <Maxell> you hear it yu decoding
[12:23] <Maxell> BY EAR!
[12:23] <Martin_G4FUI> Calculating the checksum in your head . . .
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[12:25] <fsphil> right, lunch time
[12:25] <tweetBot> @DutchMillbt: Tracking WSMETEOR High Altitude Ballon #ukhas @434.600 Mhz USB #hamradio #ham See: http://t.co/ndxox2VIcp
[12:25] <Maxell> dl-fldigi should have this "manly mode": input box that accepts user input and calcultated checksum+uploads it
[12:25] <fsphil> hah
[12:26] <fsphil> that's how jcoxon's last hellschriber flight worked
[12:26] <fsphil> we read it of the screen and submitted via web form
[12:26] <Maxell> yes, and predict some stuff
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[12:35] <x-f> quite a trip to Cambridge
[12:35] <Upu_M0UPU> long drive
[12:35] <Upu_M0UPU> balloon will be down before they get there
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[12:36] <GMT> they don't have a hab-tracker, so we don't know where they are, can't guide them
[12:36] <mattbrejza> is there a reasonwhy they had to launch this weekend?
[12:36] <Upu_M0UPU> I've told them about the mobile tracker
[12:36] <Joel_re> is it ok to have the transmitter running at 46 baud?
[12:36] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea mattbrejza just when they had availble I tyhink
[12:36] <Joel_re> or does it have to be 50 or nothing
[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> can be anything you want but 50 is a standard
[12:37] Action: Joel_re is trying to get the clock freq right for his uc
[12:37] <Joel_re> and is stuck at either 37 or 46
[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> neither of those are standard
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> I love the scaling. http://powermagnetics.co.uk/pace-components/micrometals-iron-powder-cores/all-iron-powder-cores?Page=1&Items=12 to http://powermagnetics.co.uk/pace-components/micrometals-iron-powder-cores/all-iron-powder-cores?Page=16&Items=12
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[12:39] <Upu_M0UPU> those are small
[12:40] <mattbrejza> they need to stack one of every size ontop of each other
[12:40] <Upu_M0UPU> apart from the long drive mattbrejza its not a bad flight path
[12:40] <mattbrejza> its like 3-4 hours each way?
[12:41] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[12:41] <mattbrejza> mind you we went to france :P
[12:41] <mattbrejza> that was worse
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[12:41] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed :)
[12:41] <Upu_M0UPU> this is a Pawan 1000 so be interested to see what they do
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[12:52] <Willdude123> Right time to figure out how DominoEx works.
[12:52] <GMT> it's all done by magic
[12:52] <Willdude123> heh
[12:53] <Willdude123> What's a symbol?
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> Upu_M0UPU: Did you click the second link - or do you have a source to bigger ones?
[12:57] <Upu_M0UPU> if you need larger than some of those you're scaring me
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[12:58] <DL7AD> what is the frequency and mode for SP3OSJ?
[12:58] <chrisg7ogx> congratulations WSMETEOR!
[12:58] <Joel_re> what does the Rv mode do in dl-flidigi
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[12:58] <Joel_re> seems to scramble the data when I enable it
[12:58] <Maxell> DL7AD: Wielkopolska, Poland 0730UTC
[12:59] <Maxell> 437.7MHz USB RTTY 100 7N2
[12:59] <Upu_M0UPU> switches the high and low round like going from USB to LSB
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[12:59] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, I decided to learn about how DominoEx works, and have a think about ways one could do it on the BBB/Pi
[12:59] <DL7AD> thx
[12:59] <Upu_M0UPU> have you got rtty working get Willdude123 ?
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[12:59] <Willdude123> Yeah
[12:59] <chrisg7ogx> you would have to change ur sideband settings in your receiver as well or it will be scrambled
[12:59] <Willdude123> Not the GPS part though. mfa298 suggested I read up on DominoEx
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Upu_M0UPU: I have recently been wondering about making a welder.
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> Upu_M0UPU: A nice one - SMPS which can use all of a 13A plug.
[13:00] <Upu_M0UPU> wsmetrot has hit some fast winds
[13:00] <Upu_M0UPU> currently doing 100mph
[13:00] <Joel_re> I see deadbeef! although at 45.45 baudrate :\
[13:00] <Joel_re> still need to get it to 50 baud
[13:01] <chrisg7ogx> upu_m0upu yes lots of bad weather between south coast and METEOR
[13:01] <Upu_M0UPU> 128mph
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[13:01] <mattbrejza> hey Upu_M0UPU (or anyone else), any reason for http://i.imgur.com/N9Jofwc.png
[13:02] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea
[13:02] <mattbrejza> silly windows
[13:02] <Upu_M0UPU> confused why is it not on the other windoe ?
[13:02] <mattbrejza> yea
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[13:05] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, how much do you want for the patch antenna you have?
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> you can have it Willdude123 when I get a moment to post it
[13:05] <Willdude123> OK. Thanks
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[13:06] <Willdude123> Excited about getting a W-50 for Crimbo
[13:07] <Upu_M0UPU> about time you used that FCD
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[13:07] <Steve_G0TDJ> mattbrejza: ping
[13:07] <GMT> congrats to 'team WSMETEOR' as it passes 100,000 feet
[13:08] <DL1SGP1> woot congrats!
[13:08] <wd8mnv> grats
[13:08] <Upu_M0UPU> I don't think they are on here
[13:08] <Upu_M0UPU> they are probably in a car driving :)
[13:09] <DL1SGP1> they might find the log somewhere Upu :)
[13:09] <GMT> (if DL7AD is still here, that's FL1000!)
[13:09] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, I've used it before. Just not much, plus I figured I have bad line of sight.
[13:09] <Upu_M0UPU> you could have probably received WSMETEOR with a piece of wet string as an antenna today
[13:10] <DL1SGP1> .oO( wet-string theory )
[13:10] <Willdude123> I saw a never used W-50 for £30 but it's in essex.
[13:10] <Upu_M0UPU> just make sure it comes with three ground plane prongs
[13:10] <Upu_M0UPU> ok this balloon should burst at 32.5km according to the manufacturer
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[13:10] <Willdude123> It's 2 hr drive away so maybe not.
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[13:11] <GMT> Willdude123: what's the postage?
[13:11] <Willdude123> Collection Only
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[13:11] <GMT> ah!
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[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> some deep fades
[13:13] <DL1SGP1> what is the current frequency Geoff-G8DHE?
[13:13] <PE2G> No fades here, wonderfully stable signal
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[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.600.575
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[13:14] <DL1SGP1> Thank you :)
[13:14] <PE2G> I have it on 434.601.9
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[13:14] <PE2G> cursor 1270
[13:15] <DL1SGP1> I am too far from it anyhow. so it was "just in case" :)
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[13:16] <chrisg7ogx> what a fantastic height
[13:16] <GMT> shhhh, Leo's here, stop talking about him
[13:17] <DL1SGP1> hehe
[13:17] <Upu_M0UPU> its a good effort
[13:17] <GMT> Oh, hello there Leo ...
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[13:18] <LeoBodnar> lol
[13:19] <GMT> Leo's here, there must be a launch coming up!
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[13:20] <adamgreig> "coming up"? more like in the air, about to be announced ;)
[13:20] <GMT> yeah, true!
[13:20] <Upu_M0UPU> Leo announces his launches by them appearing on the map
[13:20] <Upu_M0UPU> 34km from a 1000g balloon with a 1000g of payload
[13:20] <DL1SGP1> yes, that is pretty stylish
[13:21] <Upu_M0UPU> burst
[13:21] <Upu_M0UPU> corking alt
[13:21] <GMT> burst?
[13:21] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[13:21] Action: DL1SGP1 puts away the needle
[13:21] <daveake_M6RPI> yup
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[13:29] <Willdude123> daveake_M6RPI, have you made a single voice contact with a human being on your license? :_
[13:29] <Willdude123> *:)
[13:30] <daveake_M6RPI> Don't be daft
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[13:30] <daveake_M6RPI> Only voice contact's I've made were to get it in the first place
[13:30] <daveake_M6RPI> -'
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[13:31] <daveake_M6RPI> Also you said "human being" .... that discounts quite a few hams anyway :p
[13:32] <GMT> Yeah, I resent the accusation that I might be considered a human being!
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[13:33] <daveake_M6RPI> :)
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[13:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like its heading for Mildenhall runway!
[13:39] <GMT> 2 weeks ago a met balloon landed less than 200 metres from one of Heathrow's runways
[13:39] <Graham_G3VZV> any news on the ATLAS launch?
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Saw one yesterday I think going over the back of Heathrow and round North London
[13:40] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: what freq?
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> think it was 403MHz Herstmonceux didnt launch so I was just clicking around
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll have the path and data in one of the folders
[13:41] <GMT> if it was 403.0 it was Reading University, landed somewhere near Chelmsford
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> came in some time after aunch however
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes probaly was one of theres
[13:42] <GMT> there was a Larkhill one which passed withon 0.5 kms of me, but at 4000m; landed near Watford
[13:43] <PE2G> Recovered an RS92 this morning: http://tinyurl.com/ojfy5pb , easy catch, no direction finding, alas
[13:44] <jcoxon> a bit delayed
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[13:44] <GMT> nice one PE2G. never managed to find one yet, despite going to look for about 8 of them!
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup 18th at 1200Z
[13:45] <GMT> one landed about 8kms from me (the one that just missed Heathrow 2 weeks ago); went looking in the field for over an hour ... not found!
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[13:46] <PE2G> GMT: Maybe you're not the only one chasing met sondes?
[13:47] <GMT> I never saw anybody else, and I could hear it on my scanner about 4 hours after landing
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[13:47] <adamgreig> they are hard to spot
[13:47] <fsphil> nice S shaped patch on the map
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> What is the time delay between launch and the Tx coming on, I notice that they don't launch with the Tx running ?
[13:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oh. Mildenhall, Lakenheath or Thetford forest. Good luck!
[13:48] <GMT> I thought they launched with TX running
[13:48] <GMT> Mildenhall/Lakenheath area, and area I know very well
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've seen the Herstmonceux ones appear on the waterfall at about 600m no fade in just appear full strength
[13:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't fancy explaing to Americans about the bomb you just dropped on their airfield.
[13:49] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: RS92s are on reduced power during launch
[13:50] <PE2G> Full power from at ~500 m, I believe
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that prediction could do with moving
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> That might be it, just had noticed that none appeared below afew hundred m
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> could clobber the fence on the way in
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might be to prevent overload of the local Rx I guess..
[13:51] <PE2G> Geoff-G8DHE: Yes
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[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> WSMETEOR hiding behind the Downs for me now ...
[13:54] <GMT> projected landiing site (just off A1065 beyond a junction) is well clear of trees
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[13:55] <Hix> Good Job Mildenhall is closed for business th
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[13:55] <Hix> at weekends
[13:55] <GMT> it's not closed at all!, there's an aircraft on approach at the moment!
[13:55] <Hix> blimmin loving the whole ipython notebook thing. It a much nicer way of plying with python
[13:55] <Hix> really GMT
[13:56] <GMT> yup ... 'Open Skies 12T', just nearing 4000 ft
[13:56] <Hix> oh dear
[13:56] <Upu_M0UPU> balloon is still at 12k feet
[13:56] <Hix> whats flying in and out of there these days?
[13:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I think its going to over shoot that prediction
[13:57] <Hix> still F15's
[13:57] <GMT> The USAF still fly from there ... tanker aircraft and cargo aircraft mostly
[13:57] <Hix> oops
[13:58] <Hix> Ian's next launch from Guatanamo then :)
[13:58] <Hix> *Guantanamo
[13:58] <GMT> Odd how the map shows Mildenhall airfield (in grey), but Lakenheath airfield does not appear
[13:58] <jcoxon> payloads working
[13:58] <jcoxon> about to fill
[13:58] <jcoxon> but will probably wait the rain out a bit before launch
[13:59] <Upu_M0UPU> not on tracker yet jcoxon
[13:59] <Steve_G0TDJ> jcoxon: You have one going up today (rain permitting)
[13:59] <GMT> landing in Theford Forest Park is not good ... very tall pine trees
[13:59] <Upu_M0UPU> GMT pine trees or angry Americans
[13:59] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll take the trees
[14:00] <Upu_M0UPU> at least you can reason with a tree
[14:00] <Hix> GMT heh, but sat view shows loadsa F15's outside their hangars
[14:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right switched to 434.4 awaiting ATLAS
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[14:03] <GMT> lost signal from WSMETEOR ...
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[14:10] <Upu_M0UPU> man thats close
[14:10] <Graham_G3VZV> ATLAS has appeared on the tracker
[14:11] <wd8mnv> it's heading for the caravan park... everyone panic : ) j/k
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[14:11] <Upu_M0UPU> probably US Army Barrack actually wd8mnv :)
[14:12] <Upu_M0UPU> if it makes it to that field someone is a luck sod
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> View from the runway .... http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/WSMETEOR_201310191540.jpg
[14:12] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[14:14] <Upu_M0UPU> well
[14:14] <Upu_M0UPU> I wouldn't want to retrieve that
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[14:15] <GMT> that'll be in the trees then
[14:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> Right on the flight path
[14:15] <la3eq> it's going in for landing at Moildenhall airport
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[14:16] <la3eq> left base leg, short fianl ;)
[14:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> I can see the Americans getting quite jumpy about people wandering around under the flight path with radio transmitters
[14:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> and chain saws :)
[14:17] <Martin_G4FUI> And bolt croppers ...
[14:17] <junderwood_M0JCU> ... and if you took a SAM to get it out of the tree ....
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[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/scramble_scramble.jpg
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[14:17] <GMT> it's public land, there's plenty of paths in the forest
[14:18] <chrisstubbs> whats the terrain height there Geoff-G8DHE?
[14:18] <la3eq> runway 29'er...clear to land ;)
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[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> 8m
[14:18] <GMT> the only bit that's restricted is the bit with no trees at the end of the runway (east of A1101/Field Road)
[14:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/Landing%20suggestions%20please.jpg
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[14:20] <GMT> based upon Geoffs pic, it *might* have just cleared the firest and landed in the field
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[14:22] <wd8mnv> maybe around the end of Eldon ln?
[14:22] <chrisstubbs> according to open street map there is a little area with a moat around it just before the clearing :s
[14:23] <chrisstubbs> Ah no its just to the west, spotted it on the map now. That could have made things fun
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[14:24] <jcoxon> All ready but have to hold for apaches to pass, launch at 1600
[14:24] <Upu> lol
[14:24] <Upu> really :)
[14:24] <Upu> take pics
[14:24] <jcoxon> bbl
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[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> They were called in for a UFO over Mildenhall ...
[14:25] Action: SpeedEvil imagines indians on horseback sweeping around a surprised jcoxon.
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[14:26] <GMT> jcoxon: realy ... Apaches ... none showing on my radar
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[14:27] <bertrik> GMT: the ads-b "radar"?
[14:27] <number10> email says ATLAS 434.225 - spacenear says 343.290
[14:27] <Upu> The WSMETEOR Recovery team at at Bishops Stortford
[14:27] <number10> 434.290
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm Icalendar shows 434.4
[14:28] <GMT> bertik: Yes, ads-b
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[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> jcoxon, what Freq. for ATLAS on 70cms please ?
[14:29] <GMT> from Bishops Stortford it will take about 1 hour to get there
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[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps ATLAS is going to drift and he's covering all possibilities ;-)
[14:30] <fsphil> more ISH then then? :)
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[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time for a cuppa I think ...
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[14:31] <GMT> white with one please Geoff
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[14:46] <fsphil> looks like I didn't get any decodes from meteor after it burst -- was it a wobbly signal?
[14:48] <Upu> not particularly
[14:50] <fsphil> hmm. AFC might have lost it
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[14:51] <GMT> I thought it was quite wobbly
[14:51] <GMT> it didn't drift much, but was wobbly
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[14:54] <Graham_G3VZV> and it had some quite deep fades
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> jcoxon, what Freq. for ATLAS on 70cms please ?
[14:54] <jcoxon> just about to launch
[14:54] <jcoxon> 434.248Mhz
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.248 OK
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[14:56] <fsphil> is 13.553mhz the dial frequency for the HF beacon?
[14:56] <fsphil> or the actual frequency
[14:57] <jcoxon> up
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[15:00] <G8KNN> dial for ATLAS is 434.249
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[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> What height are you hoping to float at jcoxon ?
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[15:09] <Upu> that will be 39km
[15:09] <Upu> ish
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[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Burst or Float ?
[15:10] <fsphil> float
[15:10] <fsphil> hopefully
[15:10] Action: DL1SGP1 crosses fingers
[15:10] <fsphil> ascent rate is good for float
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed!
[15:11] <fsphil> ah, wsmeteor is being decoded on the ground
[15:11] <fsphil> ooch, in a forest
[15:11] <fsphil> right by a path though
[15:12] <DL1SGP1> Chainsaw time, or summon the army of helpful ninja squirrels
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps the Apaches blew it back up ;-)
[15:12] <fsphil> anyone receiving the HF beacon?
[15:12] <DL1SGP1> B-20 on map
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[15:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Beat me to it!
[15:13] <GMT> that Leo, he's a sly one!
[15:14] <Upu> info box updated
[15:14] <GMT> I'm weel inside the blue circle for ATLAS, but not a trace of signal
[15:14] <fsphil> on both 434mhz and 13mhz?
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[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> I won't here it until its about 5Km up from here
[15:15] <Steve_G0TDJ> Getting partials in Crayford
[15:15] <fsphil> it's moving away at about the same rate its ascending
[15:15] <GMT> I've got HF tuned to 13.553, but nothing yet
[15:15] <fsphil> I've a feeling I won't hear it at all
[15:15] <jcoxon> lost hf
[15:15] <jcoxon> eek
[15:16] <fsphil> ah man
[15:16] <fsphil> suddenly?
[15:16] <mattbrejza> what tx?
[15:16] <jcoxon> very early
[15:16] <jcoxon> si570 mattbrejza
[15:16] <mattbrejza> ah :)
[15:16] <LeoBodnar> maybe HF will restart?
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[15:16] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, maybe
[15:17] <LeoBodnar> You said "don't give up!"
[15:19] <Upu> the 70cms is working I'm getting partials
[15:20] <iain_G4SGX> I'm quite close but only partials also, in a lot of cloud cover maybe
[15:21] <mattbrejza> so how did the hf compare to uhf?
[15:21] <mattbrejza> same power out?
[15:21] <mattbrejza> put id guess a worse antenna?
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[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Interesting location for M6JCX-Air !
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[15:25] <iain_G4SGX> strange, i got a green decode but distance was 1.24e+04km on fldigi
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[15:25] <Upu> yes
[15:25] <henryplumb> Hi all
[15:25] <Upu> this is because jcoxon uses raw telemetry
[15:25] <iain_G4SGX> elevation -76 degrees. aha
[15:25] <Upu> and dl-fldigi doesn't know what to do with it
[15:25] <Upu> so don't drive a rotator from it
[15:26] <fsphil> hehe
[15:26] <Upu> WSMeteor team are onsite
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[15:27] <wd8mnv> yay
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[15:28] <fsphil> hope they get it out of that tree
[15:28] <fsphil> they look fairly tall
[15:28] <jcoxon> bbl
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[15:35] <ibanezmatt13> holy crap, have you guys seen this lightening and rain?
[15:35] <Upu> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php
[15:35] <Upu> over your house
[15:35] <GMT> none here in London
[15:35] <Laurenceb_> eeek its a bit close to the runway
[15:36] <Upu> its ok Laurenceb
[15:36] <Upu> its in a tree
[15:36] <Upu> http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&subpage_0=12
[15:36] <Laurenceb_> lol
[15:36] <mfa298> Had some heavy rain just north of Bristol a short while ago but no thunder or lightning (I'm /A this weekend)
[15:36] <Upu> well tree or American airbase :)
[15:37] <Laurenceb_> just north of the missile silo
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[15:38] <Tom> Any chance of the dial frequencies for both B-20 & ATLAS please
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[15:38] <mfa298> B-20 is probably in it's normal place (434.500)
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> <G8KNN> dial for ATLAS is 434.249
[15:39] <iain_G4SGX> Still no sign of the HF sigs as yet
[15:39] <GMT> with Leo flying should we try to alert Scandinavia?
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the Artic Circle + isn't it ?
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[15:40] <LeoBodnar> Is 13.553 still there yet?
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> I have a makeshift inverted V deployed from the balcony
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> Only to hear Waitrose cash registers noise
[15:41] <Tom> G8KNN yopu mean 2 4 9? not 290 as advertised?
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> Maybe when they close the shop it will get quitere
[15:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just making out ATLAS on the w/f
[15:42] <Upu> oh wow
[15:42] <Upu> WSMeteor updated
[15:42] <G8KNN> Tom, yes
[15:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm seeing it on 434.247.7 for 1KHz tone center
[15:42] <Tom> many thanks!
[15:43] <G8KNN> Oh yes, drifted down a bit now
[15:43] <Tom> currently just white noise on both in Southampton
[15:43] <iain_G4SGX> Well inside green and no HF as yet tho UHF is strong
[15:44] <jcoxon> I've lost HF still here
[15:44] <jcoxon> possibly dead
[15:44] <jcoxon> working at launch but nothing afterwards
[15:44] <jcoxon> that said easy launch
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[15:45] <gonzo_> hf is S9 noise here so can't help
[15:46] <chrisstubbs> is atlas on 434.290?
[15:46] <db_g6gzh> sudden shift in ATLAS freq. there!
[15:46] <Steve_G0TDJ> Atlas 434.248.7 here chrisstubbs
[15:47] <Steve_G0TDJ> Still not quite decodable in Crayford
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[15:48] <chrisstubbs> ah yeah cheers, my pc just went BSOD and I don't think hab modem will get this, let's try
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[15:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu, Thanks for the heads-up on the lightning. 10m aluminium poles and lightning don't mix well.
[15:56] <Upu> I think it was ibanezmatt13 :)
[15:56] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[15:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> Thanks ibanezmatt13 :)
[15:56] <Upu> ok wow
[15:56] <ibanezmatt13> np
[15:56] <Upu> I have pic to share
[15:56] <Upu> 1sec
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[15:57] <Upu> http://imgur.com/gsLKNVq
[15:57] <Upu> WSMETEOR
[15:57] <ibanezmatt13> :O
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bow and Arrow time
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[15:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ah. Giant Redwoods
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> chainsaw time ;)
[15:58] <Steve_G0TDJ> That's a nice climb for someone....
[15:58] <chrisstubbs> blimey
[15:58] <GMT> I told you those trees were tall!
[15:58] <Upu> apparently there is "a man and a machine" on the way
[15:58] <daveake> hah
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[15:58] <daveake> Chainsaw, or Thunderbird 2?
[15:59] <Upu> F-16 Stike Eagle from Mildenhall
[15:59] <daveake> should be effective
[15:59] <Upu> F-15..
[16:00] <daveake> I thought ATLAS was on .290 not .250
[16:00] <Upu> 250
[16:00] <daveake> which is where I see it, along with a lot of local
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[16:00] <daveake> space-o-saurus sez 290
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[16:00] <Upu> I just cut and paste from the flight doc
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Many places say many things none right!
[16:01] <daveake> I wasn't pointing the finger of blame, for a change :)
[16:01] <Upu> fixed
[16:01] <daveake> woohoo green, as the signal beats the noise
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[16:03] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j4IFenaIK8
[16:04] <Laurenceb_> need to try this on F429-discovery
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[16:09] <ljj> hello folks!!!
[16:09] <Upu> hi ljj
[16:09] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[16:11] <jcoxon> PE2G, are you picking up atlas from home or remote station?
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[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> WSMETEOR Object Movie http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/WSMETEOR_20131019/WSMETEOR_20131019.html
[16:16] <Maxell> Atlas is 434.290MHz?
[16:17] <Maxell> or 250
[16:17] <Upu_M0UPU> 250
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> doh!
[16:17] <fsphil> yep, atlas moving away too quick for me :)
[16:17] <Maxell> help
[16:17] <Maxell> i could have tracked a lot earlier :(
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[16:19] <LeoBodnar> Spent 30 min trying to find 40kHz higher :D
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> *it
[16:20] <PE2G> jcoxon: Sorry, I'm having dinner :) Rx ATLAS from home!
[16:20] <jcoxon> wow
[16:20] <jcoxon> good work
[16:20] <jcoxon> outside the circle
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry it was wrong on the flight doc
[16:20] <jcoxon> oops, thats probably me
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[16:21] <Maxell> jcoxon: not his first time hes done shit like that
[16:21] <Maxell> :P
[16:21] <LeoBodnar> Need to fix it before EU joins in
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[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> I've fixed spacenear.us
[16:21] <PE2G> jcoxon: Yeah freq is quiet, strong signal
[16:21] <jcoxon> if anyone wants a real challenge there is also a 10mW 868Mhz transmittter oboard
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> oh you didn't say that
[16:21] <jcoxon> well
[16:21] <LeoBodnar> So you didn't shut it down? :D
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> 868 ?
[16:22] <Upu_M0UPU> 868...
[16:22] <jcoxon> well the heart of the main payload is a RFBee
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> Is it spread spectrum or what?
[16:22] <Upu_M0UPU> brb off to garage to get my 868Mhz 1/4 wave
[16:22] <Upu_M0UPU> do you know the exact frequency ?
[16:22] <jcoxon> i'm testing my internal network
[16:22] <jcoxon> concept
[16:22] <jcoxon> where you have a 868 wireless bus
[16:22] <fsphil> highfi
[16:23] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, don't bother
[16:23] <jcoxon> the antenna is internal
[16:23] <jcoxon> the 868 is GFSK
[16:24] <jcoxon> it was cool having extra feedback at launch over 868
[16:24] <x-f> so you're transmitting between payloads?
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[16:24] <jcoxon> x-f, that was the plan, but wasn't working last night
[16:24] <jcoxon> so just left it txing but not rxing
[16:25] <x-f> still cool
[16:25] <jcoxon> it'll work one day?.
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[16:25] <x-f> definately!
[16:26] <LeoBodnar> What antenna for 868 jcoxon ?
[16:26] <jcoxon> its just a 1/4 wave wire
[16:26] <jcoxon> please don't try and listen for it
[16:26] <jcoxon> its designed for short range stuff
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[16:27] <LeoBodnar> What is the GFSK bps and modulation width?
[16:27] <jcoxon> its the internal firmware stuff, id have to look it up
[16:28] <LeoBodnar> OK, it's probably something standard
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[16:29] Nick change: bcw -> Guest5501
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[16:31] <pws> Any signal reports from 13.553 MHz? What are the Hell-Params?
[16:31] <Maxell> pws: "slow hell"
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[16:31] <pws> Tnx! What is "slow"
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[16:31] <jcoxon> pws, the signal hasn't been heard since launch
[16:31] <Upu_M0UPU> 868Mhz receiving setup : http://i.imgur.com/ypSN4FI.jpg :)
[16:32] <jcoxon> either drowned in noise or not actually working
[16:32] <pws> O.K...
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: interesting
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> aiui you can use the ring construction to give radial stiffness with no loss in equilib position
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> then permanent magnets at either end for axial
[16:39] <Laurenceb_> so flywheel with theoretically zero energy loss
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> ah jcoxon when did you decided it is not working? i.e. distance
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[16:43] <pws> Any path prognosis for ATLAS? Cheers from jo54bj.
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[16:43] <Maxell> towards Denmark!
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[16:45] <pws> O.K. Tnx!
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[16:50] <LeoBodnar> The weather here is bizarre
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[16:52] <pws> LeoBodnar: here?
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[16:53] <LeoBodnar> yeah
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[16:59] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm pulling my antennas for a bit as I'm off out and that lightening is close
[16:59] <LeoBodnar> Bs just don't want to stay in the air anymore :D
[17:00] <Maxell> lol is atlas going to float @15 km?
[17:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anything changed Leo on B-20 ?
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[17:06] <LeoBodnar> Not much Geoff-G8DHE testing new batch of LiPos
[17:06] <Maxell> lol
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[17:12] <PE7ER> <recieving slow CW on 13.5539? can this be Atlas?
[17:13] <RocketBoy> real cw - oe sounds like cw?
[17:13] <RocketBoy> or
[17:13] <PE7ER> fading cw
[17:13] <RocketBoy> hellschriber sounds like slow cw
[17:13] <PE7ER> it is on websdr too
[17:14] <PE7ER> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[17:14] <PE7ER> 13552.88
[17:15] <Maxell> it didn't decode any slow hell
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[17:17] <PE7ER> i lost it on direct now, some noise of AM station
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[17:20] <g8gtz> is B-20 on 434.5?
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[17:21] <Martin_G4FUI> g8gtz, yes
[17:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, Look at the Dew Point temp and the height at midday today ... ? http://meteocentre.com/upperair/get_sounding.php?&lang=en&region=eur&show=0&hist=0&yyyy=2013&mm=10&dd=19&run=12&stn=01400
[17:23] <g8gtz> just got a decode but only hearing it very intermittantly
[17:24] <Martin_G4FUI> It's sending 2 strings in a burst every 5 mins, pips in between telem transmissions
[17:24] <g8gtz> aaah - OK
[17:25] <Maxell> Is dl-fldigi re-intralizing after setting the shift? Setting the shift breaks the curring decode string
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[17:27] <Maxell> HUH
[17:27] <Maxell> $$ATLAS,243,17:26:04,537305400,25592447,17351,10,0,6*A81B
[17:27] <Maxell> $$ATLAS,244,17:26:38,537329610,25672951,17409,10,0,192*774E
[17:27] <Maxell> $$ATLAS,245,17:26:55,537340091,25713775,17438,10,3,6*3D70
[17:27] <Maxell> 192?
[17:27] <Maxell> Navigation Mode...?
[17:28] <jcoxon> Maxell, its checking hte gps is in the correct mode to go above 12km
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[17:29] <fsphil> any sign of the HF beacon?
[17:29] <fsphil> oh there was
[17:29] <Maxell> fsphil: PE7ER just lost it
[17:29] <GMT> for anyone in southern UK (and NL), overhead pass by ISS starting in the next 5 minutes, should be visible if you have clear skies
[17:30] <Maxell> GMT: niec, hcecking out with iss detecor android app
[17:30] <Maxell> and APRS with baofeng :P
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[17:30] <GMT> packet sigs will be on 145.825 NFM
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[17:32] <arko> nice good to see habs flying
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[17:34] <fsphil> have you updated the isle of lying?
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[17:35] <Reb-SM3ULC> Maxell: ragne for you -> b20?
[17:35] <fsphil> ooh it's automatic now
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[17:37] <M0SXH_Steve_> Hi Guys... I'm a radio amateur... trying to set up some gear to track baloons... can anyone help me with details about the polarisation of the tx? Does it depend on the balloon, or ingeneral do you guys all send horizontal or vertical?
[17:38] <fsphil> almost always vertical
[17:38] <M0SXH_Steve_> excellent - good to know
[17:38] <fsphil> a horizontal antenna on the payload would cause the signal to fade as it spins
[17:38] <M0SXH_Steve_> good point
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[17:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Halo aerial ?
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[17:42] <fsphil> ooh power glitch. wonder of there's lightning about
[17:42] <fsphil> the storms in england seem to have faded
[17:42] <M0SXH_Steve_> funnily enough... my illustrious radio ham friend in the room with me has just described the halo... it's conceivable that you could use it... but probably easier to stick to vertical polarisation
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[17:43] <fsphil> the vertical does have the advantage of being very simple :)
[17:43] <fsphil> less to go wrong
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[17:44] <M0SXH_Steve_> exactly :)
[17:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I would agree! Its not really fully 360 degreee coverage ..
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[17:45] Nick change: bcw -> Guest7670
[17:46] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://www.g8dhe.net/lightning.htm
[17:47] <fsphil> matches blitzortung.org pretty closely
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[17:49] <pws> Freq. of ATLAS nw? (uhf)
[17:50] <arko> fsphil: yes its automatic :)
[17:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its on the info area on the snus
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Suffolk, UK 14:00UTC
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ATLAS 434.250MHz USB RTTY 50 8N2
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ATLASHF 13.553Mhz 10mW Slow-Hell
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Post Rx reports on #highaltitude
[17:51] <fsphil> report: I can't hear it
[17:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Me neither
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Went North to quick like B-20 :-(
[17:52] <fsphil> it didn't ascend fast enough :)
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oops and B-20 still doesn't like the height :-(
[17:52] <fsphil> hmm.. slow leak?
[17:52] <pws> tnx!
[17:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> OSJ is doing alright, but can't hear that either :-(
[17:54] <fsphil> if I launched a pico it would head out over the north sea via scotland
[17:54] <fsphil> not really ideal
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[17:54] <jcoxon> fsphil, arctic challenge
[17:54] <jcoxon> !
[17:54] <fsphil> oh yeaaa
[17:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Moisture I reckon if you look at the Sonde data http://meteocentre.com/upperair/get_sounding.php?&lang=en&region=eur&show=0&hist=0&yyyy=2013&mm=10&dd=19&run=12&stn=01400
[17:54] <fsphil> it's also raining all day tomorrow. I don't think rain and picos mix well
[17:55] <jcoxon> fsphil, actually your position might work well
[17:55] <jcoxon> over scotland then onto denmark
[17:55] <M0SXH_Steve_> I know it was a bit of a stretch from Oxfordshire... but we were trying to listen to B-20 too
[17:55] <fsphil> jcoxon: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=d9cf7e5e2375a002e27af4b021639e947050693b
[17:56] <x-f> OSJ went silent a few hours ago, looks like its battery is empty
[17:56] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> If you have a good takeoff clear to the NE then you should get it OK.
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[17:57] <fsphil> the winds are not right for the arctic atm
[17:57] <M0SXH_Steve_> we're right on the top of boars hill... just east of Oxford... I'm working with a 13 ele yagi (vertically polarised, of course)
[17:57] <fsphil> ooh nice setup M0SXH_Steve_
[17:57] <M0SXH_Steve_> not a sausage
[17:57] <M0SXH_Steve_> borrowed unfortunately :)
[17:57] <jcoxon> M0SXH_Steve_, you should be able to get Atlas
[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-20 should be a solid signal remeber its only t records every 5 minutes
[17:58] <fsphil> I'm surprised, it should be hard to miss with that sort of antenna
[17:58] <fsphil> what radio, and have you tuned around a bit?
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[17:58] <SP6RYD> Hi All
[17:58] <fsphil> the signals are rarely where advertised, and can be +/- 10khz
[17:58] <fsphil> howdy SP6RYD
[17:58] <M0SXH_Steve_> I have tuned around a bit.... but it's a borrowed radio too (IC-2500)
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[17:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-nn should be very close to 434.5 however
[17:59] <SP6RYD> ATLAS on HF anyone hear ?
[17:59] <Willdude123> Dominoex sounds reallly really complicated
[18:00] <jcoxon> SP6RYD, nothing since launch
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[18:01] <Willdude123> What's a nibble? Symbol?
[18:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nibble is half a Byte
[18:01] <fsphil> dominoex has a certain number of tones, each one is a symbol
[18:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Symbol is a unit of information sent
[18:01] <fsphil> rtty has two symbols
[18:01] <fsphil> high and low
[18:02] <fsphil> which means it can only transmit a single bit of information in each symbol
[18:02] <Willdude123> Would anyone mind attempting to explain DominoEx to me? I really don't get it
[18:03] <eroomde> Willdude123, let's just do MFSK for now
[18:03] <eroomde> the concept
[18:03] <eroomde> i have two tones i can send, let's say
[18:04] <eroomde> let's say tone a and tone b
[18:04] <SP6RYD> slow hell seams very narrow
[18:04] <eroomde> this is called 2FSK
[18:04] <fsphil> it's also very slow :)
[18:04] <eroomde> if i have only two tones i can send, i can use one tone to represent a 0
[18:04] <SP6RYD> strong QRM on 13553
[18:04] <eroomde> and the other tone to represent a 1
[18:04] <eroomde> hapy with that? that's just rtty
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[18:05] <eroomde> glad thank sunk in
[18:05] <SP6RYD> DominoEX have incremental tone shift so QSB is no problem :)
[18:06] <PE2G> $$AT:05:08,538200375,32109218,22108,10,0,7*5AD1
[18:06] <PE2G> Anyone had that string too?
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[18:07] <PE7ER> $$ATLAS,127,18:05:08,538200375,32109218,22108,10,0,7*5AD1
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[18:08] <PE7ER> checksum is ok @ pe2g
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[18:08] <DJ3AK> receiving ATLAS here now
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[18:09] <PE2G> PE7ER: yes, I see, thanks
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[18:12] <fsphil> 2FSK was a bit much for will :)
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[18:14] <Maxell> Reb-SM3ULC: I'm not tracking B-20 as long as I can hear ATLAS
[18:14] <Reb-SM3ULC> Maxell: sri, totally wrong of me... meant atlas...
[18:14] <Maxell> :p
[18:15] <Reb-SM3ULC> spellink is great tooo
[18:15] <Maxell> WSMETEOR had about 410 kilometers
[18:16] <PE7ER> sehr gut dj3ak!
[18:16] <PE2G> My question is: will ATLAS become a floater?
[18:16] <fsphil> it should do
[18:16] <DJ3AK> afk
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[18:18] <Maxell> PE2G: at that altitude, I would be suprised
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[18:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> Maxell: tried to listen for atlas but i don't even have qrm...
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[18:28] <Maxell> Very strong signals! http://i.imgur.com/fwFki5d.png
[18:28] <la3eq> mark/space shift for Atlantis?
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[18:30] <la3eq> is it 600Hz shift or 550hz shift???
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[18:30] <PE2G> la3eq: I'm using these settings: http://s24.postimg.org/4hmtsd3hh/Screen1153.jpg
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[18:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> Maxell: your wth?
[18:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> wtf
[18:31] <Reb-SM3ULC> Maxell: your qth?
[18:31] <g0hww> la3eq, i'm using 590 shift
[18:31] <fsphil> atlantis is a cool name for a payload
[18:32] <Maxell> drifty drifty :) http://i.imgur.com/ZQiGpkE.png
[18:33] <Maxell> Reb-SM3ULC: RevSpace: GPS: Latitude: 52° 3' 47.667" Longitude: 4° 22' 6.1752" (52.063241,4.368382)
[18:33] <Maxell> QTH locator: JO22EB
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[18:33] <la3eq> tnx info....
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[18:35] <la3eq> i am seeing and hearing Atlantis weakly....no decode yet
[18:36] <Maxell> norway? niiiice
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[18:38] <PE2G> The advantage of high floater is it's radio range, no need for HF ;)
[18:38] <Maxell> :p
[18:39] <Maxell> or tropo ducts
[18:40] <la3eq> 434249.1MHz now here
[18:40] <PE2G> I don't even need to move my yagi to the northern balcony yet. The signal is so strong.
[18:40] <PE7ER> the green circle is 5 degrees or is it 10? (only get a ? here)
[18:41] <PE2G> 15 deg, I believe
[18:41] <x-f> five
[18:41] <PE2G> Oh
[18:41] <PE7ER> tnx!
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[18:42] <Maxell> PE2G: hehe, strong signal making your yagi sad
[18:42] <PE7ER> distance and elevation data is messedup here (-74 deg)
[18:43] <Maxell> Signal is now drifting stronly
[18:43] <Maxell> PE7ER: yeah, not decimal in the gps lon/lat
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[18:44] <Maxell> Distance: 1.162e+004km
[18:44] <Maxell> :P
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[18:44] <wb8elk> Can someone approve a flight Doc?: 656d181d652252161f01f8cd72f4db4d
[18:44] <la3eq> drifting madly
[18:44] <GMT> Maxell: why don't you increase the filter bandwidth ... fldigi will then track the signal as it drifts
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[18:48] <Maxell> $$ATLAS,255,18:40:55,538129928,40412413,25791,10,3,6*CFB6
[18:48] <Maxell> $$ATLAS,0,18:41:11,538133759,40480920,25816,10,3,6*0CF2
[18:48] <x-f> overflow?
[18:48] <Maxell> GMT: it is doing AFC, filter bw is set automaticly
[18:49] <fsphil> haha
[18:49] <fsphil> it won't affect the map, it plots based on the gps time
[18:50] <fsphil> it must have overflowed a few times before now
[18:51] <Maxell> yeah
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> is ATLAS levelling off?
[18:52] <M6PFX-Paul> is the HF working on ATLAS?
[18:52] <fsphil> working but very very weak
[18:53] <M6PFX-Paul> fsphil: thanks
[18:53] <PE0SAT> Quick question where can I find the rtty details
[18:54] <fsphil> they're on the spacenear.us map, top left
[18:54] <fsphil> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[18:54] <PE0SAT> fsphil: Thx
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[18:59] <PE0SAT> somebody using MiXW to decode RTTY?
[18:59] <fsphil> it's not idea, as it can't upload telemetry to the map
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[19:00] <PE0SAT> Very strong signal on 434.248 but not able to decode
[19:00] <fsphil> have you tried dl-fldigi?
[19:00] <PE0SAT> I am not shure about the RTTY settings
[19:00] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[19:00] <PE2G> PE0SAT: http://s24.postimg.org/4hmtsd3hh/Screen1153.jpg
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[19:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: i think, thai I've resolved ublox i2c issue :-)
[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: i think, that I've resolved ublox i2c issue :-)
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[19:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> what envelope has ATLAS ?
[19:07] <x-f> 1600g latex
[19:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: hi x-f, thanks
[19:07] <x-f> hi, Tom
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[19:11] <Upu_M0UPU> evening
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[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Upu
[19:12] <PE0SAT> PE2G: No readable decode
[19:12] <daveake> SP9UOB-Tom, Ah what was it then?
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: just little delay between pooling 0xfd,0xfe registers
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: start, pool, stop <DELAY>> and loop
[19:13] <PE7ER> Set to USB? @ PE0SAT
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[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: there are no more problems after turning on PSM in airborne mode
[19:14] <daveake> strange
[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> also, max-7 has NAV-PVT (0x01 0x07) wihch is very interesting :-)
[19:16] <DJ3AK> G3VZV ge Graham, how is the DDRC doing?
[19:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: yes, really strange. I have payload ready to airborne test
[19:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> daveake: NAV-PVT has all required info in one packet
[19:16] <PE2G> PE0SAT: SQL off and AFC on? (bottom right in dl-fldigi)
[19:18] <la3eq> Atlas 5 to 15dB over noise with fading and drifting...no decodes yet
[19:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> how often atlas is transmitting on HF ?
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[19:21] <PE0SAT> PE2G: Stil missing something.
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure SP9UOB-Tom
[19:22] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Could you make as screenshot of dl-fldigi?
[19:22] <PE2G> a screenshot
[19:23] <arko> is atlas transmitting on 13.553?
[19:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have some traces here, but they're doesnt look like slowhell
[19:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> Hi arko
[19:24] <arko> hi hi
[19:24] <arko> im tuned to 13.553 on a globaltuner right now
[19:24] <PE0SAT> PE2G: It is working, LSB works mutch better
[19:24] <arko> but i dont seem to be hearing it
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[19:25] <PE7ER> you have reverse on PE0SAT? (rv)
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[19:26] <Maxell> Slow Hell doesnt need rv to be setright?
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[19:28] <fsphil> it works either way
[19:28] <PE0SAT> PE7ER: No rv isn't on and wasn't on
[19:28] <pws> ATLAS: decoding here at jo54bj, Kiel. But my dl-fldigi refusing to go online???
[19:28] <PE0SAT> Thx all
[19:28] <PE2G> PE0SAT: What is yr QTH?
[19:29] <fsphil> pws: have you filled in your callsign and location?
[19:29] <PE7ER> ok PE0SAT it works that is the main thing hehe
[19:29] <PE0SAT> Near Breda
[19:29] <pws> yes
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[19:29] <PE2G> PE0SAT: OK. You're not on the tracker map yet
[19:29] <pws> Version is 3.21.50
[19:30] <arko> ahh
[19:30] <PE0SAT> PE2G: Looking for info on how to upload
[19:30] <PE7ER> firewall? @pws ?
[19:30] <pws> which port?
[19:31] <PE2G> PE0SAT: DL Client > Configure > Location
[19:31] <pws> http://habitat.habhub.org
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[19:31] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Then: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:location2.jpeg
[19:32] <la3eq> 434.247MHz now
[19:32] <PE7ER> not sure about the port, i did not need to set it, just gave permission to the program for traffic out
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[19:33] <arko> is ATLAS giving short bursts?
[19:33] <arko> on 434.250
[19:34] <la3eq> 434.246,8 now
[19:34] <arko> i hear it!
[19:34] <la3eq> 630Hz shift
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[19:35] <PE7ER> nice!
[19:35] <PE0SAT> PE2G: Longitude negative when EAST
[19:35] <PE2G> PE0SAT: No
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[19:35] <pws> PE7ER: it worked fine 3 month ago. But not now, hmm?
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[19:36] <pws> $$ATLAS,199,11:36:08,539089384,56638690,26338,8,3,6*CE97
[19:36] <PE0SAT> PE2G: Then the only thing left is the enable it
[19:37] <PE7ER> strange your string is good, no problem there @ pws
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[19:38] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Don't forget to click Save in the Location Configuration window
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[19:39] <GMT> pws' string has the wrong time
[19:39] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Congrats, you're on the map!
[19:39] <DutchMillbt> Yee ;-)
[19:40] <arko> is ATLAS transmitting?
[19:40] <PE0SAT> PE2G: I'll also have a look if I can find me
[19:40] <PE2G> PE0SAT: And tracking :)
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> what kind of lat/lon format it is: 539089384,56638690 ?
[19:40] <PE2G> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[19:40] <PE7ER> it should show you the map regardless of decodes right?
[19:40] <pws> which string has which wrong time?
[19:41] <PE2G> PE7ER: PE0SAT is uploading good strings
[19:41] <GMT> pws: the one you sent for msg/sentence 199 about 5 mins ago
[19:42] <PE7ER> $$ATLAS,199,19:36:08,539089384,56638690,26338,8,3,6*CE97 yours : $$ATLAS,199,11:36:08,539089384,56638690,26338,8,3,6*CE97 for pws
[19:42] <GMT> time given as 11:36 ... balloon not launched until 15:00
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[19:43] <GMT> ping PE0SAT
[19:43] <PE0SAT> GMT: Pong ;-)
[19:44] <GMT> all that cubesats - dande, cusat, masat, etc ... what mode do I receive them? nfm or usb?
[19:44] <PE0SAT> GMT: DANDE, CUSAT nfm and MASAT-1 USB
[19:45] <Jonny_> wat?
[19:45] <GMT> ok, thanks; I see your blog with pics of SDR# but I can't get signals like that!
[19:46] <PE0SAT> Have a look a the antenna that I use and the pre-amp.
[19:47] <GMT> okay, will do later; no preamp here, and ant is colinear at 7m; still get nothing with overhead pass
[19:48] <PE0SAT> GMT: Should be possible, give STRaND-1 a go, strong and long data bursts
[19:48] <pws> I'm still not appearing on those map at spacenear.
[19:49] <PE2G> Hysplit for ATLAS: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/199202_trj001.gif
[19:49] <Upu_M0UPU> could be worse :)
[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> oh, i see lat/lon multiplied by 10e7
[19:50] <Upu_M0UPU> its just the raw lat / lon from the UBX
[19:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: yeah, no more floats ;-)
[19:50] <PE7ER> (Atlas signal getting unstable somewhat, there is a wierd second pulse shift thingy)
[19:50] <Upu_M0UPU> dl-fldigi's distance and elevation don't know what to do with it though
[19:50] <arko> what frequency is ATLAS at now?
[19:50] <arko> i lost it :/
[19:50] <Upu_M0UPU> PE7ER yes getting that
[19:51] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm decoding most of the signal but then it just screws up at the end
[19:51] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.246 on my SDR
[19:51] <Upu_M0UPU> it seems to be having power issues too it drifts up on TX
[19:51] <arko> hmm
[19:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: mcc18 printf has no %f format
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[19:52] <pws> Yes, ATLAS drifting down in frequency
[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: that was caused strange traces on the map ;-)
[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> Atlas is probably very cold
[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> Atlas souuld be in our range soon
[19:53] <PE2G> ATLAS on 434.246 here , drifting down
[19:53] <pws> $$ATLAS,2,19:52:32,539255694,61311215,26333,9,3,6*B35E
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> i theory
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> SP1TMN
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> in theory
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> should be able to RX Now
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> high alt floater <3 :) M and SP simultanious TX
[19:53] <Upu_M0UPU> RX
[19:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: at least thermometer and pressure sensor should be on board ;-)
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah well
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> for next time
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> the odd thing is
[19:55] <Upu_M0UPU> the signal from ATLAS
[19:55] <Upu_M0UPU> is really good and strong
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Beautiful float profile on ATLAS
[19:55] <Upu_M0UPU> just doesn't decode
[19:55] <PE0SAT> Is there a way to decode this telemetry data?
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> latex Leo :)
[19:56] <x-f> baud rate has changed because of cold?
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> when they float they do it properly
[19:56] <PE7ER> still decoding ok here (have to re-tune a lot)
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> interesthing theory x-f
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> something is up
[19:56] <PE7ER> about 26 km up i'd say
[19:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Leo
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> evening Tom
[19:56] <PE0SAT> PE7ER: Yes, a lot of re-tuning
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[19:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Robert
[19:58] <RobertPol> Evening chaps!
[19:59] <DutchMillbt> PE0SAT: increasing the Recieve filter bandwidth to 120 helps
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[19:59] <pws> Funny, I'm sending out valid strings now... (df3lp)
[19:59] <Upu_M0UPU> evening RobertPol
[19:59] <PE0SAT> DutchMillbt: Thx I'll give it go
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[20:00] <Upu_M0UPU> I can't get ATLAS to decode I've tried all sorts of settings
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[20:00] <DutchMillbt> Upu try to set the Recieve filter bandwidth to 120
[20:00] <Upu_M0UPU> done that :)
[20:00] <DutchMillbt> All greens here
[20:01] <PE0SAT> But the problem is that I have to re-tune the receiver alot
[20:01] <Upu_M0UPU> now thats wierd
[20:01] <PE7ER> some extra carriers appearing now on the space
[20:01] <Upu_M0UPU> my 817 just decoded it fine
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> Altas rebooted ?
[20:02] <PE7ER> ah! i am also using the 817 at this moment
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> sequence number 36
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> odd
[20:02] <PE7ER> i will switch to FCD and see if it still decodes here
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> it doesn't sound right
[20:03] <PE0SAT> PE7ER: With the FCD+ really great overhere ;-)
[20:03] <Upu_M0UPU> and it must have rebooted at some point
[20:04] <PE7ER> yes it does fine on the fcd pp
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> It overflows at 256 Upu_M0UPU
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> wut ? :)
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> thats an odd one
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> uchar
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> I guess
[20:04] <PE0SAT> Just tryed a RTL on a X-5000, no go
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> odd ok
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> well the 817 can decode Atlas the FCD and FCD+ can't
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> 817 is on a colinear too
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> $$ATLAS,255,18:40:55,... $$ATLAS,0,18:41:11,...
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> how odd
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[20:05] <PE0SAT> Upu_M0UPU: Strange I am using it right now
[20:06] Action: SP9UOB-Tom 's wife prepares shrimps in garlic butter... They're smells awesome :-)
[20:06] <Upu_M0UPU> very but there you go
[20:06] <Upu_M0UPU> wireless woo woo
[20:08] <Upu_M0UPU> come on Poland pull your antennas out
[20:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> i post the info
[20:09] <pws> Inside "Soylent Green" now (Kiel, N-DL). Good copy, but signal running into some local lines...
[20:09] <Upu_M0UPU> SP1TMN
[20:09] <Upu_M0UPU> he's usually on the case
[20:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have phone number to SP3MCY, i'll text him
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[20:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> what is the exact frequency of ATLAS ?
[20:10] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.245
[20:10] <Upu_M0UPU> @700
[20:11] <RobertPol> Anyone hears Atlas's hell voice?
[20:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> in 2 hours ATLAS will be in my range, another sleepless night
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[20:13] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is AFK - shrimps :-)
[20:15] Action: Upu_M0UPU is afk Whisky
[20:15] <PE7ER> Atlas signal strong and 'dirty' but still decoding fine here
[20:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> SP3MCY is decoding !
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> yay
[20:16] <Upu_M0UPU> that me at one end
[20:16] <Upu_M0UPU> and SP3MCY at the other :)
[20:16] <Upu_M0UPU> cool :)
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[20:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: it should have repeater onboard !
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[20:18] <PE7ER> great! just below horizon for sp3mcy
[20:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> he is well skilled to hunt radiosondes :-)
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[20:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, back to the shrimps :-)
[20:19] <PE7ER> looking up antenna x300..
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[20:21] <PE7ER> hmm just a collinear type ? must be placed high then
[20:22] <PE7ER> ok troubles decoding star here as the other carrier also gets distorted
[20:23] <arko> is it still at 434.245?
[20:23] <arko> i can barely hear it
[20:23] <PE7ER> yes
[20:24] <la3eq> 434,244,38
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[20:28] <la3eq> space signal 434,244.1MHz mark +600Hz
[20:29] <arko> wow thats drifting
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[20:29] <pws> Checked 13.553 with various FFT-params: nope.
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[20:30] <Laurenceb_> what is ATLAS?
[20:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat hapend with atlas strong bur no writing here more
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> latex floater?
[20:30] <PE7ER> no signal on 13.553 here too and distance is increasing again now
[20:30] <la3eq> nil on 13.553 here
[20:30] <PE2G> Laurenceb_: Yes
[20:31] <la3eq> atlas inn and out of noise...no decodes yet
[20:31] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: Good evening
[20:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> hoi Jan pe0sat
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[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> SP1TMN says: im receiving it buc cannot decode
[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> but
[20:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> me to Tom
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[20:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have told him to change filter width
[20:34] <PE0SAT> Atlas shift has changed
[20:34] <pws> Yes
[20:34] <la3eq> yes...now down tom 600Hz
[20:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> what type of tx Atlas have onboard?
[20:35] <pws> 590 here
[20:35] <PE0SAT> pws me to
[20:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> jan he is writing by you??
[20:35] <la3eq> no....
[20:36] <la3eq> not one decode....strange
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[20:36] <la3eq> sometime he is +15 dB over noise
[20:36] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: Yes it was, but at the moment is doesn't sound the same
[20:36] <la3eq> seems like the high tone is on mostly..
[20:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok he is strong here but no writing now
[20:37] <wb8elk> nice strong signal from Atlas on the Bokkum Globaltuners radio...but there are some weird glitches in the RTTY signal that seem to knock out a number or two each sequence.
[20:37] <la3eq> strong "mark" and the "space" is much weaker and not always visable
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[20:38] <wb8elk> I just got a decode on Atlas...but dozens of other that had just one missing number
[20:38] <la3eq> it is not driften so much more !
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[20:38] <la3eq> seems more stable¨
[20:39] <PE7ER> $$ATLAS,166,20:37:58,539649247,74836119,26309,11,3,6*1591
[20:39] <wb8elk> I had to change the filter width on dl-FLdigi to 200 Hz
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[20:40] <wb8elk> the default of 68 Hz will not work with most RTTY signals....anyone know of a way to adjust that via the Payload Generation on Habhub?
[20:40] <PE7ER> (waiting for b-20 to move a little east)
[20:40] <la3eq> 400Hz filter bandwith here
[20:40] <wb8elk> I'll try 400 Hz
[20:40] <wb8elk> wider seems to be better on this signal
[20:40] <la3eq> waiting for B-20 to move a little more north ;)
[20:41] <PE0SAT> Is is decoding again
[20:41] <PE0SAT> shift 595 filter 200
[20:42] <la3eq> VFO 434,244,0 MHz upper sideband, space is at 1080HZ and mark is at 1650Hz here
[20:42] <wb8elk> yep...filter width of 400 Hz works fairly well.
[20:43] <PE2G> Filter bandwidth 200 works here
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[20:44] <arko> this swedish global tuner aint to great
[20:44] <x-f> la3eq, perhaps you could try mattbrejza's decoder in Java, see if it does a better job than fldigi - http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/
[20:45] <wb8elk> I wonder why my reports are not showing up onSpacenear?
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[20:46] <pws> There's some kind of increasing twitter on the signal. This make decoding harder and harder.
[20:46] <jcoxon> woop float
[20:46] <wb8elk> Arko...it is coming in great via the Bokkum DX Globaltuner in the NL?
[20:46] <PE2G> Freq drift almost stopped
[20:46] <pws> Confirming
[20:47] <wb8elk> getting perfect copy on it now
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[20:47] <wb8elk> via Bokkum
[20:47] <la3eq> x-f i trying it....but 7 databit and 1 stop not correct!
[20:47] <bertrik> I'm seeing a really strong signal, but decoding is not working really
[20:47] <bertrik> on ATLAS I mean
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[20:48] <PE0SAT> x-f: do you know how to change data and stops?
[20:49] <la3eq> is atla using 50Baud,8(ascii) databits, none parity and 2 stop bits??? is this correct`?
[20:49] <PE7ER> it is 8 bit N 2
[20:49] <x-f> PE0SAT, la3eq, it's a guess from the signal, iirc
[20:50] <jcoxon> la3eq, thats correct
[20:50] <PE0SAT> x-f: Thx then this time it isn't guessing good
[20:50] <arko> ha!
[20:50] <jcoxon> best to set it as 50baud ascii-8 no parity and 1 stop
[20:50] <arko> i think i got it
[20:50] <bertrik> getting green decodes now with shift 595, bw 200, as suggested earlier
[20:50] <bertrik> and I set 8N1 too
[20:52] <PE0SAT> Yep 8n1 is also working
[20:52] <PE7ER> for me 2 stops works better
[20:53] <Willdude123> Does anyone get how DominoEx works? I'm trying to understand it
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[20:55] <daveake> Willdude123 Do you understand how RTTY works?
[20:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> no writing here grgrgrgr
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[20:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> i think i stop it is not nice i hrd good signaal but no writing
[20:57] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: your bandwidth filter set at 200 or more?
[20:57] <Herman-PB0AHX> yep
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[20:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> þü$$TLAS 237,10:5:44,13973448080580348,6289,11,0,6*VB4F
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[20:58] <Willdude123> Yep. Characters are represented by a certain byte. A byte is a group of 8 boolean values named bits. RTTY works by sending a these bits as a change in frequency, and thus makes up bytes.
[20:58] <Willdude123> daveake, is that roughly correct?
[20:59] <arko> i have some bad poping
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[20:59] <arko> $$ATLAS,243,00:59:26,539734522,81089636,26297,11,3,6*6077
[21:00] <arko> oh finally a green one!
[21:00] <arko> $$ATLAS,244,20:59:26,539734522,81089636,26297,11,0,6*495C
[21:00] <daveake> Willdude123 there's more, but that's close
[21:00] <daveake> Read up on start and stop bits
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[21:01] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: This is my conf http://janvgils.home.xs4all.nl/download/DL-FLDIGI-Configuration.jpg
[21:02] <Willdude123> daveake, I was gonna mention those too but OK
[21:02] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/6DkopUE.png
[21:02] <arko> yay
[21:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> mni tnx jan now he is writing agn
[21:03] <bertrik> sequence number overflow :)
[21:03] <Willdude123> Yeah, a start bit signifies the start of a byte and a stop bit signifies the end.
[21:04] <PE0SAT> Herman-PB0AHX: Great!
[21:04] <PE7ER> 0 1 2...
[21:04] <PE0SAT> PE7ER: ?
[21:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> i am happy now jan hihihih lol
[21:05] <PE7ER> frame numbers restarting after 255
[21:05] <Herman-PB0AHX> sorry for my writing engels but i try
[21:05] <PE0SAT> PE7ER: Yes I saw that too
[21:05] <Willdude123> engles?
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[21:06] <PE0SAT> You're trying and that's fine
[21:07] <pws> ATLAS: Strong signal here at Kiel. But worse decoding due to a 1 second "blip" on mark/space. ?
[21:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes talking now problem but writing i must leurn a lot hihihi lol
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[21:07] <PE0SAT> :D
[21:08] <PE0SAT> Who and where was Atlas launched?
[21:09] <PE7ER> right-click on RTTY (lower left) and set receive filter bandwith to 200 or more @ pws
[21:09] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Look at track on the map
[21:10] <pws> O.K. will check that...
[21:10] <PE7ER> did they get WSMeteor out of the tree? i missed that bit..
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[21:11] <Willdude123> daveake, a start bit is 2 bits long and a stop bit is 1 correct?
[21:11] <ibanezmatt13> has anybody seen on new laptops how the headphone jack is the same jack for the microphone jack?
[21:12] <PE0SAT> ibanezmatt13: Yes
[21:12] <PE7ER> bad design!
[21:12] <ibanezmatt13> PE0SAT, on my laptop, I'm trying to get sound from my radio into dl-fldigi
[21:12] <PE7ER> imo
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[21:13] <ibanezmatt13> But it's picking up every sound in the unvierse (there's some sort of internal mike picking my voice up when I speak)
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[21:13] <PE0SAT> You need a special jack
[21:13] <ibanezmatt13> special jack? I've got one that fits
[21:13] <mfa298> alternativly buy a usb sound card and use that for audio in
[21:13] <pws> PE7ER: seems to work. TNX!
[21:13] <PE7ER> great @ pws
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[21:14] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, I could. But it does say the jack does both so surely there's a way round it
[21:14] <PE0SAT> http://www.pc-mobile.net/px50ms.jpg
[21:14] <mfa298> if the jack is doing audio in and out it probably needs four connections (tip, ring, ring, sleeve)
[21:14] <PE0SAT> ibanezmatt13: Does that help?
[21:14] <ibanezmatt13> I've got one of those PE0SAT
[21:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Apple started it with a 4way jack plug
[21:15] <ibanezmatt13> But how will that make any difference
[21:15] <mfa298> most standard ones (headphone type) are tip, ring,sleeve)
[21:15] <PE7ER> to sell the separate leads ofc...
[21:15] <PE7ER> :p
[21:15] <SpeedEvil> on hydrogen gas safety: http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/13/5295.pdf
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[21:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mute the internal Microphone from the Mixer application, most have that ability.
[21:16] <Upu_M0UPU> update on WSMETEOR, farmer shook the tree and the payload feel but into another tree
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[21:17] <Upu_M0UPU> by this time it was getting dark so they are going back to recover tomorrow morning
[21:17] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE, doesn't seem to be an option
[21:17] <Upu_M0UPU> fell
[21:17] <PE7ER> thanks for update Upu_M0UPU
[21:18] <Upu_M0UPU> they are at a travel lodge not too far from the landing
[21:18] <Upu_M0UPU> farmer is going back tomorrow to assist in recovery
[21:18] <PE7ER> nice guy
[21:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> which OS is this Matt
[21:18] <gonzo_> they need to go armed with a good bottle of wine or two
[21:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> the signaal of atlas is now stable
[21:22] <Herman-PB0AHX> here
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[21:23] <x-f> 24 hours on snus from stand-by yesterday to four launches today - http://i.imgur.com/FBDf6b9.png
[21:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> ibanezmatt13, Which OS are you using ?
[21:23] <ibanezmatt13> win 8
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[21:24] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you might find there are more options in the audio control panel for your card then in the standard windows mixer
[21:24] <ibanezmatt13> That's where I'm looking mfa298, nothing there :/
[21:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Either right click on the speaker symbol in the system tray or select the Sound application in control panel, you can then select the Recording devices, and disable/mute each one there.
[21:24] <mfa298> I've got a Realtek audio manager app on my laptop which has extra options to the ones windows has
[21:25] <Willdude123> Argh. My IP is listed on some Spamhaus anti-spam thing
[21:25] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try it Geoff-G8DHE
[21:25] <Willdude123> Their website says don't bother contacting them as your ip will be different soon
[21:26] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE, I've been through that, no luck
[21:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> In what way are there no recrdigdevices or no Sound application ?
[21:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> *recording
[21:26] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:26] <jcoxon> thanks everyone for tracking Atlas
[21:26] <mfa298> you may also need a dedicated adapter for your laptop, it might be looking for some specific resistance somewhere to determine that it's got a microphone connected
[21:27] <ibanezmatt13> there are two recording devices, Microphone and Stereo Mix Geoff-G8DHE
[21:27] <ibanezmatt13> good point mfa298, it must be able to do line in though
[21:27] <PE0SAT> jcoxon: It is fun, you're welcome
[21:27] <mfa298> Willdude123: spamhaus (and the like) should only matter if you're running a mail server - which isn't the recommended thing to do unless you really know what you're doing.
[21:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right click the Microphone device and normally you will find Disable within the options...
[21:27] <Willdude123> I'm not
[21:28] <Willdude123> The blocklist was used by a mc server
[21:28] <ibanezmatt13> Mic is already disabled Geoff-G8DHE
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[21:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps the Mic input socket and not the internal device, as Mfa298 suggested try see if you have any Realtec device applications
[21:29] <mfa298> an mc server (i assume you mean mx), but still unless they're doing something very broken it shouldn't stop you sending email via a standard approach (connecting to your ISP's smtp server)
[21:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> they sometimes show up on other drivers
[21:30] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE: there's the Realtek sound manager
[21:30] <ibanezmatt13> but there's nothing in there that you can set to get it to work
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[21:30] <ibanezmatt13> afk
[21:30] <mfa298> easy fix, go and buy a usb soundcard, they're around £5 on ebay
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[21:31] <Willdude123> mfa298, no I mean minecraft
[21:32] <Willdude123> Seems as if it's supposed to be the Kelihos spambot
[21:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's odd because sound sources/sinks all come thru the Mixer to allow you to have control ..:P
[21:33] <PE0SAT> Good night All
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[21:33] <PE2G> PE0SAT: Good night
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[21:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0037300 We experimentally tested whether humans could generate enough muscle power to run in place over a wading pool under simulated reduced gravity (Fig. 1C). Participants, wearing relatively small fins (Fig. 1D) and a harness attached to a constant force unloading system, experienced different levels of simulated gravity (range 1025% gEARTH, see Materials and Methods).
[21:34] <PE7ER> gn @pe0sat
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[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Matt see here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Image1.jpg
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[21:36] <wb8elk> Hi James....still having trouble with getting my dl-FLdigi to report my station location
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[21:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> sleep well jan
[21:36] <wb8elk> I uninstalled dl-FLdigi and re-installed it..Put in new position data and still get: Invalid Float for operator position
[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> exactly what values are you putting in Bill
[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> let me try it here
[21:37] <mfa298> Willdude123: ah, when you said spamhaus I assumed email as that's what spam blacklists were designed for.
[21:37] <wb8elk> WB8ELK Bill EM64oj Falkville AL TS2000
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[21:38] <mfa298> that might be a case of minecraft abusing the spam blacklists then - some of the spam black lists have contain all consumer internet connections as they shouldn't be acting as an email server.
[21:39] <Upu_M0UPU> click DL-Client -> Location
[21:39] <Upu_M0UPU> Statonary Listener
[21:39] <Upu_M0UPU> and put your details in there
[21:39] <wb8elk> OK...I'll try that
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[21:39] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm sure I can still see B-20 on the waterfall
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[21:41] <chrisstubbs> was wsmeteor recovered?
[21:41] <Upu_M0UPU> no its still in (another) tree
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[21:41] <Upu_M0UPU> they got it out of one tree but it fell into another
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> aw man :(
[21:41] <Upu_M0UPU> was getting dark so they called it off but they've got a travel lodge close and are going back tomorrow
[21:42] <Upu_M0UPU> they have a friendly farmer
[21:42] <DL1SGP1> hi all
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> Cool :)
[21:44] <wb8elk> Thanks Anthony...I wasn't aware of the separate new entry point for Location
[21:44] <wb8elk> that solves the "invalid float" error
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[21:44] Action: ibanezmatt13 despises modern laptops
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> having windows 8 problems ibanezmatt13?
[21:45] <DL1SGP1> what is the current dial for ATLAS pls?
[21:45] <wb8elk> YAY...my antenna is now over my house on Spacenear
[21:45] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs: either that or the fact that the mic jack is the same as the headphone jack. They share a jack!
[21:45] <ibanezmatt13> how stupid
[21:45] <Upu_M0UPU> super :)
[21:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you get this screen Matt http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/index.php?ind=3
[21:45] <wb8elk> however, I'm still decoding ATLAS via the Dokkum NL Globaltuners radio and it says it is uploading my reports each time...but I'm not showing up on the ATLAS box as one of the Receive stations?
[21:45] <ibanezmatt13> yes Geoff-G8DHE
[21:45] <Upu_M0UPU> we've seen this before wb8elk
[21:46] <Upu_M0UPU> the delay is such that by the time you upload
[21:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> and only a single Microphone device
[21:46] <Upu_M0UPU> someone else has uploaded a more recent string
[21:46] <ibanezmatt13> yep Geoff-G8DHE
[21:46] <Upu_M0UPU> 1 sec I'll check the upload logs
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[21:46] <la3eq> $ATAS,104,2:45:L853}626,r!;136,65,:1,3,FZ4øÿÿû'
[21:46] <wb8elk> oh....that would explain it since there is a delay via Globaltuners
[21:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you have an earphone/s plugged in ?
[21:47] <Willdude123> So right. I need to figure out dominoex. So there are 18 different tones. What is a nibble and a symbol and how are they connected?
[21:47] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE: no but I can get some
[21:47] <DL1SGP1> la3eq: Hej jan, what is your current dial?
[21:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> NO I was wondering if the earphone was acting as a microphone as they often do!
[21:48] <wb8elk> Willdude123: I flew one of the first DominoEX transmitters and have been coding that in several microcontrollers since....what processor are you using? I recently ported my DominoEX code to the Arduino
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you have any other Inputs listed on that screen ?
[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> [2013-10-19 21:39:38,829] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$ATLAS,129,21:38:48,539557941,92966668,26387,11,3(6*040F\n' (3d063367f46d1e8274ada693b765c3e7f35b2a6fc7578519fee0d2a9e9640260) from WB8ELK
[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> [2013-10-19 21:44:56,153] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$ATLAS,148,21:44:0&,539489184,94666358,26398,11,3,6*880D\n' (2595d21c896454ba2c32293d18f81eccf020e63649de7cd7d00fac4ce5453e3e) from WB8ELK
[21:48] <ibanezmatt13> no, just microphone and stereo mix Geoff-G8DHE
[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> you're uploading Bill
[21:48] <wb8elk> Great....and thanks for solving the position mystery.
[21:48] <mfa298> Willdude123: sounds like time for google!
[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> also as WB8ELK-FARM
[21:48] <Willdude123> wb8elk, just trying to figure out how it works. I'm thinking about how one might do it on BBB
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[21:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> In that case it beats me ! Sry!
[21:49] <wb8elk> Good to hear that it is working. Thinking of sending something to you in the UK tomorrow
[21:49] <ibanezmatt13> :(
[21:49] <Willdude123> mfa298, I have tried google.
[21:49] <wb8elk> via Balloon-Mail
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> please do will be ready to RX :)
[21:49] <jcoxon> wb8elk, do it!
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> cut it down over the UK
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> for extra HAB points
[21:49] <wb8elk> right now the winds at 8000m would take me to Europe in 30 hours
[21:50] <wb8elk> I'm down to my last u-Blox MAX-7C
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> btw if you go to http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ click flights list pick ATLAS you can see you've uploaded there
[21:50] <wb8elk> the other ones are in the wilderness or in the Atlantic
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> customs probably
[21:50] <Upu_M0UPU> lemmie check
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> Your item, posted on 15/10/13 with reference LY547920345GB has arrived in KENNEDY NEW YORK and is being processed for delivery.
[21:51] <fsphil> oooh a transat attempt?
[21:51] <Willdude123> mfa298, so there are 18 different frequencies. A set of 4 bits is transmitted on each?
[21:51] <wb8elk> Hi Anthony...I tried that STATS page earlier and I wasn't showing up in the callsign Pie.....I am now however.
[21:51] <Upu_M0UPU> not hit USPS tracking yet though
[21:51] <Willdude123> How does it carry 4 bits of data?
[21:52] <Upu_M0UPU> I don't know if the stats are done on the fly
[21:52] <Willdude123> Are there 16 tones for 16 different nibbles>
[21:52] <mfa298> Willdude123: there's a bit more to it.
[21:52] <wb8elk> Will: each tone transition is a 4-bit nibble....so it takes two tone shift to give you a byte
[21:52] <wb8elk> the secret is that the absolute tone is not important...it is the tone spacing that is important
[21:52] <fsphil> very
[21:53] <fsphil> even slightly off will cause trouble
[21:53] <wb8elk> there is a technical description of DominoEX and the Varicode character set...I'll post it here in a minute
[21:53] <Willdude123> wb8elk, I don't really get that. So each tone transition represents a certain nibble?
[21:53] <Upu_M0UPU> Arko are you playing on Global Tuners as well ? :)
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[21:54] <Benny_boy> evening all
[21:54] <wb8elk> yes....for example....it is the tone spacing.....so two tone spacings is a two....three tones spacings is a three....then the combination of those two or three tone shifts becomes a letter
[21:55] <wb8elk> it is all explained in the document
[21:55] <wb8elk> hang on I'll look for it
[21:55] <Upu_M0UPU> evening Benny
[21:55] <wb8elk> It is not too hard to encode....the lookup table is the hardest part.
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[21:55] <Benny_boy> I want to rig a system for cutting a length of paracord at altitude via some electronic control. Does anyone have any experience of this?
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:56] <wb8elk> and yes
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> a hot wire works well
[21:56] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[21:56] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> or c4.
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> (kidding)
[21:56] <Upu_M0UPU> nicrhome / resistor or pyro cutdown
[21:56] <GMT> does it have to be paracord, that's quite thick
[21:56] <wb8elk> with a FET to control the output
[21:57] <wb8elk> If you can handle the weight....the university folks here used a hunting "Bow Trigger" with a servo to release the line. It's like a gun trigger for a bow n arrow
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[21:57] <Benny_boy> It'll need to support about 1 kg
[21:57] <Upu_M0UPU> 1.5mm nylon cord is fine
[21:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Didn't Daveack have a picture recently of the cord cutting for his Bear
[21:58] <jcoxon> bbl
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[21:58] <Upu_M0UPU> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:materials?s[]=cord
[21:58] <Upu_M0UPU> 1mm breaking strain 22kg
[21:58] <Benny_boy> so how about just coiling some nicrome around the cord and running normal electical cable (24awg or something) to the controller
[21:58] <wb8elk> DominoEX: http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/Technical.htm
[21:59] <wb8elk> DominoEX Varicode alphabet: http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DominoEX%20Varicode%20Table.pdf
[22:00] <wb8elk> And you'll need this detailed info: http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DEX.htm
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[22:00] <Willdude123> wb8elk, can a tone shift be both ways? Does it meant the same
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[22:01] <wb8elk> it wraps around...but still calculates the difference....
[22:01] <Willdude123> Ah so a set of 3 tones make a character
[22:01] <fsphil> the tone must always increase in frequency, wrapping of the end
[22:01] <dg9bfc> evening
[22:01] <Willdude123> That makes sense. Why is it better than RTTY>
[22:02] <Benny_boy> I like the c4 idea....
[22:02] <fsphil> mfsk modes seem more efficient
[22:02] <wb8elk> for example: for DominoEX16 each tone is 15.625 Hz apart....and they are transmitted for 64 msec
[22:02] <fsphil> I'm not sure why actually
[22:02] <fsphil> I'd have thought 2FSK was no better than 4FSK
[22:03] <Willdude123> What does it sound like?
[22:03] <fsphil> load up fldigi and have a play :)
[22:03] <wb8elk> DominoEX is pretty much MFSK with one important difference....MFSK requires a tight tolerance for tuning....DominoEX since it is IFK (Incremental Frequency Keying)...the difference between tones....so it will tolerant a LOT of drift
[22:03] <wb8elk> 200 Hz/minute I think
[22:04] <wb8elk> Just hit Transmit in FLdigi while in DominoEX mode
[22:04] <wb8elk> enter some test text
[22:04] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: yes :)
[22:04] <fsphil> if you've access to two machines, you can send messages between them using just sound :)
[22:04] <wb8elk> DominoEX4 will give you a very slow idea of the tones
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[22:05] <Willdude123> fsphil, how do I generate it in FLdigi?
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[22:05] <wb8elk> it will decode 10 dB or more weaker signal than RTTY
[22:05] <fsphil> what wb8elk just said -- in fldigi go into the dominoex mode, and hit the transmit button
[22:05] <fsphil> or press CQ
[22:05] <fsphil> it'll transmit a short CQ message
[22:05] <wb8elk> it works way better than RTTY in weak conditions
[22:05] <fsphil> make sure you're not in HAB mode if you're using dl-fldigi
[22:06] <fsphil> have you tried thor wb8elk?
[22:06] <wb8elk> I thought about Thor....but haven't sat down to encode it yet.
[22:06] <fsphil> I've got some code to do it on an avr
[22:06] <fsphil> which probably isn't too useful for you
[22:06] <wb8elk> I was pretty happy with the performance of DominoEX
[22:07] <wb8elk> I'd love to look at the Thor code for the AVR
[22:07] <fsphil> one sec
[22:07] <wb8elk> I use the AVR chips all the time
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> I need to try get that working as well fsphil
[22:07] <fsphil> ah, I thought you used PICs
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> I started on it
[22:07] <fsphil> wb8elk: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/thor.tar.gz
[22:07] <wb8elk> my latest mini-payloads use the Atmel 328
[22:07] <dg9bfc> why is therev the 1 sec "glitch" in the modulation of altlas?? difficult to decode without making filter wider
[22:07] <fsphil> it's a simplification of the fldigi modulator
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> dg9bfc its doing other stuff
[22:07] <wb8elk> no....I mostly use Atmel and Cypress PSoC
[22:07] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure what
[22:07] <fsphil> ah
[22:07] <wb8elk> sometimes I use PICs
[22:08] <fsphil> must be steve I'm thinking of
[22:08] <Upu_M0UPU> Steve is PIC
[22:08] <Upu_M0UPU> Leo and number10
[22:08] <fsphil> not that pics aren't useful .. just have rubbish compiler support in linux
[22:09] <DL1SGP1> found ATLAS :)
[22:09] <wb8elk> Thanks fsphil...I'll take a lot at that
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[22:09] <fsphil> I've not been able to make it work with an ntx2
[22:09] <fsphil> doubt my frequency shift is good enough
[22:09] <fsphil> the on-air modulation is identical to dominoex
[22:09] <fsphil> 18 tones
[22:10] <fsphil> but it has better FEC
[22:10] <Upu_M0UPU> night all
[22:10] <DL1SGP1> ÁT§áS,41,22:10:14,58967041,13129100,6341,11,0,6*890A
[22:10] <fsphil> nite Upu_M0UPU
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[22:11] <DL1SGP1> good night upu
[22:11] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[22:11] Nick change: SP5NON -> SP5NON-Martin
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[22:12] <DL1SGP1> $ATLAS,246,22:11:38,5389"4500103679849,2639,1,3,6*5EBF
[22:12] <fsphil> what happened B-20?
[22:12] <GMT> DL1SGP1: very good, almost there
[22:12] <fsphil> atlas's float is lower than I expected
[22:12] <GMT> B20 ran out of receivers
[22:13] <fsphil> still in the air?
[22:13] <GMT> presume, but can't be 100% certain
[22:13] <fsphil> last position was still quite high up
[22:13] <fsphil> oh wow, Poland has come out in force
[22:13] <DL1SGP1> did the HF beacon on atlas return to live?
[22:14] <GMT> for B20, what we need is a ham on an oil-rig
[22:14] <fsphil> with decent internet
[22:15] <GMT> ideally, but if they could decode the tlm and get it back to sure somehow ... I'm sure it could me manually entered
[22:15] <mfa298> need that network of bouys
[22:15] <fsphil> yea
[22:15] <fsphil> just forward them a message when a payload is in range
[22:15] <fsphil> that mode and frequency
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[22:17] <GMT> Poland come to the rescue again
[22:18] <fsphil> can anyone recommend an led strip light bright enough to light a bench?
[22:18] <DL1SGP1> heh even the HT is picking up atlas through the discone
[22:18] <bertrik> HT?
[22:18] <GMT> handie-talkie
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[22:19] <DL1SGP1> sorry bertrik... handheld-portable transceiver unit :)
[22:19] <DL1SGP1> thanks GMT
[22:19] <fsphil> is it strong enough to silence an FM receiver?
[22:19] <GMT> I wonder how long the power is expected to last on ATLAS
[22:19] <mfa298> fsphil: I used some a few years ago from cpc (around 10 leds in a 30cm strip running from 12v)
[22:19] <Willdude123> Wow. It's almost musical
[22:20] <fsphil> it's a happy mode :)
[22:20] <fsphil> compared to the JT modes, which sound rather depressed
[22:20] <bertrik> ATLAS is still coming in clear here at RevSpace
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[22:20] <fsphil> it's the digimode of choice for marvin
[22:20] <GMT> don't talk to me about digimodes
[22:20] <arko> wb8elk: come to the swedish tuner
[22:21] <fsphil> even if you do get it working, you'll still be depressed
[22:21] <arko> i have it setup
[22:21] <GMT> here am I, brain the size of a planet, and they want to talk about digimodes, its soooo depressing
[22:21] <wb8elk> I managed to get back control of the Bokkum tuner and still copy it there
[22:21] Nick change: daveake_ -> daveake
[22:21] <arko> cool
[22:21] <arko> i'll continue here in sweden
[22:21] <wb8elk> so we now have it covered from the West and the East :-)
[22:21] <bertrik> Dokkum you mean?
[22:22] <arko> eu will be sleeping soon
[22:22] <wb8elk> right...Dokkum
[22:22] <Willdude123> Is there a way to make it TX something different
[22:22] <fsphil> type in a message and press TR I think
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[22:22] <fsphil> bottom right
[22:22] <fsphil> you have to press it again to stop transmitting
[22:22] <wb8elk> change the mode and then hit transmikt again
[22:22] <DL1SGP1> bertrik: what is your shift set to I manually adjusted mine to 601 for now
[22:22] <wb8elk> I see what he meant....yes...hit STOP first
[22:23] <bertrik> DL1SGP1: 590 Hz with 100 Hz bandwidth and fast AGC, set to 8N1
[22:23] <bertrik> fast AGC -> normal AFC I mean
[22:24] <DL1SGP1> thank you
[22:25] <ibanezmatt13> good night :)
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[22:26] <wb8elk> actually there is an FEC mode for DominoEX but haven't tried it yet
[22:26] <mfa298> Willdude123: if you run it in non hab mode there's two windows in fldigi, one of which is used for what you're sending.
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[22:28] <bertrik> the whole varicode thing in dominoex just seems so overkill (and extra code actually) for typical HAB use
[22:28] <fsphil> changing it would break it for everything else though
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[22:29] <bertrik> dominoex at least does everything with nibbles, but thor uses symbol lengths that are not even aligned to nibbles
[22:29] <fsphil> dominoex is the same iirc?
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> okay so my xbox has ruined a memory stick after one day
[22:31] <mfa298> you'll just have to use the xbox for useful things then - watching spacenear.us
[22:31] <wb8elk> yes but DominoEX is far superior to RTTY as far as weak signal decoding and very tolerant to frequency drift so it is worth it.
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[22:31] <fsphil> rtty does have an AFC option
[22:31] <fsphil> that's a big plus
[22:32] <chrisstubbs> mfa298, lol the worst thing is the memory stick cost more than the xbox
[22:32] <wb8elk> The difference is the size of the lookup table but I limit the range of valid ASCII characters to look up in the Varicode table so that it makes it smaller in size
[22:32] Action: mfa298 hopes the xbox was cheap then
[22:32] <chrisstubbs> £3
[22:33] <fsphil> fldigi stores the varicodes as strings
[22:33] <wb8elk> JT65 would be even better....and WSPR mode....but lots of overhead to encode for either mode.
[22:33] <fsphil> I changed it to 16-bit ints
[22:33] <fsphil> in PROGMEM
[22:33] <fsphil> still a fair bit of memory I guess
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[22:34] <GMT> okay folks, I'm outta here ... be back tmrw.
[22:34] <wb8elk> not much more overhead that encoding Hellscreiber
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[22:35] <fsphil> 694 bytes for the full thor varicode
[22:35] <bertrik> fsphil: 1 nibble for symbol length, and 3 nibbles with symbol data? At least, that would be how I would encode it in 16-bits
[22:35] <fsphil> not too bad
[22:36] <fsphil> bertrik: exactly
[22:37] <Maxell> bertrik: you set the filter bandwith a bit widers
[22:37] <Maxell> what does it do, actually?
[22:37] <Maxell> like, what does it limit, is it an avarage of something
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[22:39] <bertrik> As far as I understand, it increases the bandwidth of the pieces of spectrum where it looks for a mark or a space
[22:40] <bertrik> it seemed to help to increase it a bit earlier
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[22:48] <Maxell> yeah hmm
[22:49] <Maxell> so like, it's takes lets say 80 Hz of spectrum and checks if average is high or low
[22:51] <bertrik> yes, I think it works like that, comparing the energy in the 'mark' bandwidth and the energy in the 'space' bandwidth and decide which one is bigger
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[22:53] <LA3EQ_> I am getting plenty green decodes.....but they don't show up on map??? Wh`?
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[22:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok i have got ATLAS
[22:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> $$ATLAS,140,22:53:47,538159329,116592270,26255,12,0,207*6900
[22:56] <la3eq> $$ATLAS,146,22:55:29,538126568,117080237,26251,12,3,6*C9B7
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[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> la3eq: nice range :-)
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[22:57] <la3eq> DX range :)
[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> we ar both under the horizon
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[22:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> below i mean
[22:58] <la3eq> 20dB S/N
[22:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening jcoxon
[22:58] <jcoxon> hey
[22:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> we take care of Atlas :-)
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[22:59] <DL1SGP1> that is good SP9UOB-Tom, then I just gonna ignore the fact that I am not getting any green decodes from it and will go to sleep :)
[22:59] <DL1SGP1> good night all
[23:00] <fsphil> la3eq: it's being uploaded fine, not sure why your callsign isn't appearing
[23:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> atlas going down for me i lost him now
[23:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> the signal getting weaker
[23:01] <la3eq> 15dB S/Nnow
[23:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> 13 s/n now here
[23:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have a trace but that is all
[23:06] <la3eq> he drifting downward..
[23:06] <la3eq> have to reset VFO all the time
[23:08] <la3eq> $ATLAS,184,23:6:14,537920,120232404,26229,13,3,6*041C
[23:08] <la3eq> getting weaker
[23:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> $$ATLAS,193,23:08:47,537942128,120989429,26237,13,3,6*E263
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[23:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> fairy stable (excluding those "crazy ivans" every 1 second)
[23:12] <la3eq> 5dB s/n now
[23:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok im going to bed now, im leaving radio for the night on
[23:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
[23:13] <la3eq> good night
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[23:23] <LA3EQ_> is B-20 still airborn?
[23:24] <fsphil> might be. though it did seem to have a downward trend
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[23:33] <chrisstubbs> How has this memory stick been ruined at such a low level after just one day!
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[23:49] <arko> https://twitter.com/astro_luca/status/391106601546829824/photo/1
[23:53] <fsphil> surprising amount of dots in the north sea
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[23:55] <chrisstubbs> Is that from the ISS? :O
[23:55] <arko> yes!
[23:55] <arko> its a picture of you guys!
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[23:57] <fsphil> did the US astronauts get a holiday during the shutdown?
[23:57] <arko> sure why not
[23:57] <chrisstubbs> God that looks amazing
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