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[06:27] <ibanezmatt13> oh my god, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2453833/Decorator-nearly-loses-leg-bite-UKs-poisonous-spider.html
[06:28] <ibanezmatt13> "Experts said today that 10million of the spiders - a cousin of the deadly black widow - could be swarming around Britain and heading into homes to escape the cold. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2453833/Decorator-nearly-loses-leg-bite-UKs-poisonous-spider.html#ixzz2hllqOEpJ Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook"
[06:31] <enkidu> so not only in Australia everything is trying to kill you
[06:31] <ibanezmatt13> nope, and I'm particularly bad with spiders
[06:35] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 my friend messaged me last night to say he had a load of black widow spiders in his bed
[06:35] <ibanezmatt13> marvellous
[06:36] <enkidu> http://www.svmilitaria.com/images/larry%202.jpg <- solution
[06:36] <WillTablet> Did a load of them escape or something?
[06:37] <WillTablet> He was just like 'How do I get a black widow out of my bed?' I told him to tell her to leave :-)
[06:38] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[06:39] <ibanezmatt13> I think by the time you've found the flame thrower enkidu, you'll probably have died
[06:41] <enkidu> so there is another solution: http://j.luxlux.pl/l89/eaeb00e5001de79345ed7cdb
[06:43] <enkidu> I have to recover password for ip camera. bruteforce in the way
[06:45] <ibanezmatt13> hmm, I think you'd struggle with that
[06:46] <enkidu> worth trying. probably easier, than ordering lift/ladder car
[06:47] <enkidu> I have 3kk entry wordlist
[06:47] <enkidu> and hours of spare time
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[06:55] <ibanezmatt13> wow
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[06:57] <enkidu> of course I could write own tool but I am too lazy
[06:57] <enkidu> so hydra + wordlist
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[07:02] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know how to enter a link in HTML, but in a text box?
[07:02] <ibanezmatt13> <a>link or what ever it is. Seems to work but not in a text box unless I'm missing something out
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[07:04] <enkidu> textbox? you mean textarea?
[07:04] <ibanezmatt13> yea
[07:06] <enkidu> it is impossible in a standard way. however, there are "editable divs", that mimic textarea appearance
[07:06] <ibanezmatt13> ah, it's ok I'll leave it
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[07:46] <jcoxon> morning al
[07:46] <jcoxon> l
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[07:49] <wd8mnv> hi ya
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[07:55] <fsphil> morning
[07:56] <jcoxon> fsphil, still on track for launching this weekend?
[07:58] <fsphil> so far jcoxon. payload is behaving itself now, hopefully DM can do his thing in time
[07:58] <UpuWork> there is probably a launch in Southern Wales on the 19th
[07:58] <UpuWork> 434.500Mhz
[07:58] <UpuWork> ish
[07:58] <jcoxon> okay, Steve and I might be launching this weekend too
[07:59] <jcoxon> still a bit weather dependent
[07:59] <fsphil> early forecast here has patchy rain. should be ok
[07:59] <jcoxon> ground winds are a little blowy still
[07:59] <jcoxon> UpuWork, whats/who is the welsh launch?
[08:00] <UpuWork> a company called Whitestone Media via Chris Hillcox
[08:00] <jcoxon> oh right but radio based this time
[08:00] <UpuWork> they are using the Habduino Chris couldn't get working
[08:01] <jcoxon> i see
[08:01] <Maxell> jcoxon: "little blowy" sounds scientificc
[08:02] <fsphil> not the best prediction
[08:02] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=888a8f8cdf21128e72ba977575f7bd0b88632c9d
[08:02] <jcoxon> Maxell, i'm a Doctor you know - always scientific :-p
[08:02] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork, I've made my first project post but I've not got all the pictures yet. http:www.norb.co.uk Go to the project page :)
[08:04] <gonzo_> I use the same phrase about my car exhaust!
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[08:08] <jcoxon> fsphil, there is nothing that you can do to avoid russia it looks like
[08:09] <jcoxon> not this weekend at least
[08:10] <fsphil> other than putting in a cut-down, nope
[08:10] <fsphil> isn't even anywhere to land it
[08:11] <fsphil> I'd have preferred a more southerly route, but ah well
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[08:14] <x-f> at least you would win the Arctic challenge :)
[08:15] <jcoxon> x-f, if we were able to track it over russia that is :-p
[08:16] <x-f> with a high altitude floater it would be a bit easier
[08:17] <fsphil> the high altitude winds don't seem to go north too often
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[08:19] <Hix> we need a µRockBlock for international floaters
[08:19] <fsphil> budgetblock :)
[08:19] <fsphil> they're quite small already
[08:20] <fsphil> just pricy for something that's being thrown away
[08:20] <Hix> suppose the naked one could be used, though I thought they were a bit on the heavy side for a floater
[08:21] <Hix> hmmm "We’d love to support interesting, imaginative projects by providing subsidised hardware and satellite airtime. We take a little convincing, and our idea of ‘interesting’ may be different from yours. "
[08:22] <jcoxon> Russia continues to cause me concern
[08:22] <jcoxon> unfortunately all winds seem to lead to Russia
[08:23] <Hix> they don't spec a weight for the naked one, but the die-cast housing looks a bit on the lardy side of things
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[08:26] <jcoxon> bbl
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[08:28] <DL7AD> good morning
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[08:28] <DL1SGP1> good morning
[08:28] Nick change: DL1SGP1 -> DL1SGP
[08:29] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: wollte grad nachfragen nach der 1 ^^
[08:29] <DL1SGP> :)
[08:31] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: lang nicht so wenig aktivität gehabt
[08:31] <DL1SGP> Wetter ist zu schlecht :)
[08:31] <DL7AD> na es geht.... bewölkt hallt
[08:32] <DL7AD> oder regnet es bei dir?
[08:32] <DL1SGP> jaaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:32] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[08:32] <DL7AD> ^^
[08:34] <DL1SGP> naja was solls, morgenspaziergang noch trocken geschafft
[08:34] <DL7AD> mitn hund?
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[08:35] <fsphil> "morgenspaziergang" sounds dodgey
[08:35] <DL1SGP> ja und Mutter :D
[08:36] <DL7AD> na dann....
[08:36] <DL7AD> fsphil: dodgey? whats that?
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[08:37] <DL7AD> fsphil: btw: could not get you yesterday....
[08:38] <DL1SGP> fsphil: weather was more dodgy than the walk itself :)
[08:40] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: wie ich schon sagte.... der ist schwer zu erreichen...
[08:41] <Hix> morning stroll fsphil [I think]
[08:42] <DL1SGP> Morning walk with dog :D
[08:43] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Ofcom Amateur Radio Licence Review http://t.co/GnkHSshLB5 #amsat #hamr #ofcom #ukhas
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[08:43] <Hix> surely you could lengthen the word into morgenhundspaziertgang Germany has far too few long wors, you guys need a few more ;p
[08:44] <Brace> Hix: that sounds like a rather snappy word for German
[08:44] <Brace> Hix: btw, have you seen the Ueli Steck ascent?
[08:45] <Hix> YES! the man is more than a machine
[08:45] <LeoBodnar> morning
[08:45] <Hix> shame Jon G wasn't there to photograph it
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[08:45] <Hix> hi LeoBodnar
[08:45] <Brace> I'm not sure Jon could have kept up with him for long
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[08:46] <Brace> but yeah, pity there's not more photos
[08:46] <henryplumb> Morning all
[08:46] <eroomde> waddup
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[08:46] <DL7AD> morning
[08:46] <Hix> I genuinely think morgenhundspaziergang is a proper word. anyone verify it?
[08:46] <Brace> I saw someone mention they wished he'd had a gopro on, would have been interesting
[08:46] <DL1SGP> Good morning all that came in recently :)
[08:47] <Hix> Brace yup - I reckon Jon would have been breathing out of his arse by the halfway point
[08:50] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.norb.co.uk/index.php?id=projects You might find the NORB write up a good read
[08:50] <LeoBodnar> What's the longest German word?
[08:50] <henryplumb> I'll take a read ibanezmatt13 :)
[08:50] <ibanezmatt13> cool, thanks
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[08:50] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: pff... dont know. i think onomatopoetikon...
[08:51] <LeoBodnar> Anything that includes a footballer is vile
[08:52] <UpuWork> ambulance is cool
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[08:52] <UpuWork> Krankenwagen
[08:52] <Hix> LeoBodnar its a biggie to do with the labelling of beef, if it hasn't been deprecated yet
[08:52] <Hix> rindfleisch something something something
[08:53] <DL1SGP> LeoBodnar: Grundstuecksverkehrsgenehmigungszustaendigkeitsuebertragungsverordnung
[08:53] <DL7AD> rofl
[08:53] <Hix> Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
[08:53] <jphoglund> omg
[08:53] <Hix> bah
[08:53] <LeoBodnar> What just one capital letter?!
[08:53] <jphoglund> and i thought geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung was long :D
[08:53] <DL7AD> yep
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[08:53] <DL1SGP> the one you meant was Rindfleischettikettierungsueberwachsungsaufgabenuebertragungsgesetz @Hix
[08:54] <DL7AD> jphoglund: :D
[08:54] <LeoBodnar> Does ü count as one letter or two?
[08:54] <Hix> ue
[08:54] <DL1SGP> 1 but my keyboard has no umlauts
[08:54] <Hix> so 2 in english
[08:54] <DL1SGP> it has nice £ though :)
[08:54] <LeoBodnar> lälälä
[08:54] CTCP l: from x-f (x-f!x-f@zuze.laacz.lv) to #highaltitude
[08:54] <x-f> ll
[08:55] <LeoBodnar> Swedish for lalala
[08:55] <fsphil> DL7AD: yea been on holiday this weekend :)
[08:55] <LeoBodnar> Finish rather
[08:55] <DL1SGP> hehe
[08:55] <Hix> Ü alt +154 DL1SGP
[08:56] <DL7AD> fsphil: ah okay :D i just want to let you know, that i coded everything from scratch...
[08:56] <Hix> ü is Alt + 129
[08:56] <henryplumb> ibanezmatt13 Great article, just finished reading it! ;)
[08:56] <Hix> ß Alt 225
[08:56] <fsphil> DL7AD: any improvement?
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> Thank henryplumb. I'm not that good at writing articles so good to know it's ok :)
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> henryplumb, did you see the picture of the missing veroboard you were asking about? :)
[08:57] <DL7AD> fsphil: ehm yes. you can see whats happening in the code now... but currently have some gps aquiring problems in the code.
[08:58] <henryplumb> ibanezmatt13, yeah I saw that. Really neat piece of wiring. Shame to loose it :(
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah. My first attempt and it worked in testing. Shame it never flew
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> But, NORB 3 is next on the list
[08:59] <DL7AD> fsphil: i had problems with the old code. and i was unable to see whats going on because there have been no comments made to the code.... -.- not many comments.
[08:59] <fsphil> haha
[09:00] <fsphil> comments are as important as the code
[09:00] <henryplumb> ibanezmatt13 Awesome, any idea when that'll be done?
[09:00] <DL7AD> fsphil: and another problem was: there have been so many unneccesary things...
[09:00] <ibanezmatt13> well, I'm just waiting on a few parts. You can see on the homepage that I've got two parts on already :) And the code's ready for testing on it so, should be flying it at Christmas
[09:01] <eroomde> linky to homepage
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.norb.co.uk
[09:01] <DL7AD> fsphil: i blew up everything...
[09:01] <DL7AD> fsphil: it blew up everything...
[09:01] <henryplumb> Awesome, you know where you'll be launching it from?
[09:01] <wd8mnv> i expect a lot of projects based on new years eve balloons
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> Proabably with Steve again at Cambridge. He supplies literally everything apart from the payload itself and he sets it all up. We'll probably go H2 actually.
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> We would have gone H2 in August but where he launches, the farmer has a restriction that he's not allowed to use H2 before harvest
[09:02] <henryplumb> Cool, might have a go at tracking it from my home. Only 25 miles from Cambridge! :)
[09:02] <eroomde> good work ibanezmatt13
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> nice henryplumb
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> thanks eroomde
[09:02] <eroomde> silly farmer
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> very nice farmer :)
[09:03] <eroomde> i'm not sure what he imagines would happen
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> He looked very excited
[09:03] <eroomde> maybe he thinks hydrogen is napalm
[09:03] <eroomde> and sinks and burns
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> perhaps
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> oh, I thought you meant the farmer who drove us through his field
[09:03] <eroomde> yes it's very good that he allows EARS to happen
[09:03] <eroomde> and balloon stuff
[09:03] <eroomde> most farmers would just tell you to bugger off
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[09:04] <eroomde> no the ears farmer
[09:04] <Hix> he farms ears?
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I was tempted to just go and get it myself but I thought we'd behave ourselves
[09:04] <Hix> on the back of mice?
[09:04] <eroomde> solid rocket motors are about 4000x more likely to cause a crop fire than hydrogen
[09:04] <eroomde> which is fairly benign
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[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> I should imagine!
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> You read the write up on NORB eroomde?
[09:05] <eroomde> nor3 has arrived?
[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> no
[09:05] <eroomde> no
[09:05] <eroomde> linky
[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> projects page
[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> ok
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[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.norb.co.uk/index.php?id=norb-makes-its-maiden-flight
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[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> needs a few more pics of launch and stuff
[09:08] <eroomde> nice write-up
[09:10] <ibanezmatt13> thank you
[09:10] <ibanezmatt13> not bad for a first site eh?
[09:10] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[09:11] <ibanezmatt13> right, I'd better be getting ready for college. Speak later :)
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[09:16] <eroomde> Hix, SW 'configurations'
[09:16] <eroomde> where you can define global variables for things in excel
[09:16] <eroomde> like dimensions
[09:16] <eroomde> for example a range of valves whose flanges are a function of orifice diameter or something
[09:16] <eroomde> nice idea
[09:16] <eroomde> but a total pig
[09:17] <eroomde> one of those things where you wish the software engineers spent some time with unix to just grok how config files are done properly
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[09:17] <eroomde> instead of these baroque constructions by people who don't know what's come before them
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[09:27] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: rofl
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[09:38] <nats`> hi :)
[09:42] <Hix> sorry eroomde I was talking Altium with one of the hardware bods at work.
[09:42] <Hix> so xls driven design t\bles?
[09:42] <Hix> tables rather
[09:44] <eroomde> yeah
[09:45] <eroomde> Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
[09:45] <Hix> can you not create the functions in excel and have the flanges driven there
[09:45] <eroomde> it's more than SW keeps randomly regenerating thigns and opening excel and so on
[09:45] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: jetzt regnet es auch bei uns....
[09:46] <Hix> or create one master part that is parametrically driven and then create copies of that dchanging the driving parameter
[09:46] <Hix> Its been years since I used it. Catia is where things like this start to pay off for the increased learning curve
[09:48] <eroomde> yeah i can imagine
[09:48] <eroomde> i'm just having windows grumbles
[09:48] <Hix> heh
[09:49] <eroomde> also i was looking at wireshark last night
[09:49] <eroomde> to debug an issue with the dataloggers
[09:49] <eroomde> and something was fucking flinging arc requests all over the network
[09:49] <eroomde> it was the stupid windows laptop we got to host SW
[09:49] <Hix> i was playing with that the other day, beyone me, but seems very powerfull
[09:50] <eroomde> desparate to find 192.168.17.234 which is a wireless bridge over to our test site
[09:50] <eroomde> it doesn't even need to know about it!
[09:50] <eroomde> shut up and f off!
[09:50] <eroomde> something on windows was obviously depsrately trying to map everything
[09:50] <eroomde> retarded
[09:51] <Hix> you love it really
[09:52] <Hix> I could do with learning to use wireshark, seems to be excellent for sniffing out whats going on in a network. could be really useful for finding out whats happening with regards to malware and virussses etc on peoples computers I''ve been asked to repair. wipe and reinstall is so tiresome
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[09:53] <mfa298> unix also has a good idea of how config files can be incredibly complex. e.g. sendmail.cf
[09:54] <Brace> Hix: wipe and reinstall is a nice simple way of sorting the mess out
[09:55] <Brace> wireshark is an excellent tool and definitely worth using, but for malware/virus repair, wipe and reinstall (ex-PC repair shop employee)
[09:55] <Hix> soooo time consuming though. It means a cheap fix job takes ages and isn't worth it for what they are paying.
[09:56] <mfa298> the only real use I've used packet capture tools for with viruses/malware is to detect which machines are infected.
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[09:56] <Brace> yeah, but trying to manually strip the malware/virus means that you can't be sure that it's all gone and it can take aaaggggeeeessss
[09:56] <mfa298> great on a large network, even more fun when you could send popup messages to windows clients over the network.
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[09:57] <mfa298> For clearing viruses / malware I'd always go for the wipe and rebuild approach. Trying to repair the damage is incredibly tedious and you never know for sure that you got everything
[09:57] <Brace> mfa298: yup, it's the only way to do it
[09:58] <mfa298> If you're having to do it a lot you need a network build server, visit PC, "You've got all your data on the network yes?", reboot, Hit F12, go grab coffee/lunch/beer
[09:59] <Brace> yeah, that's the way to go
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[09:59] <Brace> I saw a cool little portable version of that as well once
[09:59] <mfa298> Active Directory and Group Policy, one of the things windows does well (and takes more effort to get close in Linux)
[10:00] <Hix> thankfully most pcs these days have a recovery partition. Great for getting it back to stock, not so great when they want all the old shit back on their pc, for which they have no media licence keys etc etc
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[10:02] <Brace> yeah, that's the painful part normally
[10:03] <Brace> not very ethical, but the place that I worked at had dodgy versions of most software, so we just whacked that on in a lot of cases
[10:03] <Brace> but mainly we tried to flog the poor sods new software
[10:03] <mfa298> Large enterprise and group policy ftw, Have your software packaged and assigned to the PC/user and it's all installed for you.
[10:03] <Brace> which was a nice sideline
[10:03] <Hix> "Corporate" license :)
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[10:03] <mfa298> downside is it's a lot of effort for a small place.
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[10:05] <Hix> gotta say Altium looks like a dream to use coming from Eagle
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[10:05] <nats`> Hix like very cad system
[10:05] <nats`> eagle is the wrst ever :p
[10:06] <nats`> worst
[10:06] <nats`> even kicad is better :p
[10:07] <eroomde> have to wipe and reinstall to get rid of viruses
[10:07] <eroomde> jesus
[10:08] <eroomde> linux, peoples
[10:08] <eroomde> but for mechanical 3D cad, windows can be left to die
[10:09] <jcoxon> ping UpuWork
[10:09] <fsphil> I don't miss windows at home
[10:09] <Hix> I hear you ed, but try getting a 70 year old to convert OS - aint not happnin or nuffink
[10:09] <eroomde> me neither
[10:09] <mfa298> problem is in larger corporate world trying to manage 1000's of linux pc's is a pain. Especially if you want to use some central storage securely.
[10:10] <eroomde> samba still works ok
[10:10] <eroomde> and lets people play along nicely
[10:10] <Hix> finally found a chrome based RDP client. I can now see the server at home
[10:10] <mfa298> for a given value of ok
[10:10] <eroomde> sure, i've never tried managing 1000s of PCs
[10:10] <eroomde> just a tiny network for 5 people who speak unix
[10:11] <eroomde> and one windows user who who programs in excel
[10:11] <eroomde> there is no hope for him
[10:11] <mfa298> small places with intellegent people Linux/Unix is good
[10:11] <fsphil> there is always hope
[10:11] <eroomde> but we're an equal opportunities employer, regardless of disabilities
[10:11] <fsphil> sadly this is a small place with windows people :(
[10:11] <eroomde> actually we've got him using latex and git
[10:12] <jcoxon> fsphil, got one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RADI0KIT-140-HAM-RADIO-40M-CW-QRP-TRANSCEIVER-KIT-PIXIE-/290907180711?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Ham_Radio_Receivers_Transceivers&hash=item43bb6b4ea7
[10:14] <UpuWork> hey jcoxon
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[10:14] <thomas1337> Hello?
[10:14] <jcoxon> UpuWork, what resistor value to you use for pwm to ntx2?
[10:15] <UpuWork> err depends
[10:15] <UpuWork> I think 130k when running from 5V
[10:15] <UpuWork> RTTY ?
[10:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[10:15] <UpuWork> hi thomas1337
[10:15] <UpuWork> try 100k
[10:15] <UpuWork> see what step you get
[10:15] <jcoxon> 3.3v
[10:16] <UpuWork> don't think I've run one at 3.3V yet
[10:17] <thomas1337> Hi, I'm new here. I was wondering how much it would cost me to launch a high altitude balloon on one of your sites in Cambridge and what dates are available. It's part of my final year University project.
[10:17] <adamgreig> did you recently email the list or was that someone else?
[10:17] <eroomde> someone else
[10:17] <adamgreig> there are two sites in cambridge but neither are "ours"; they're both run by separate people
[10:17] <adamgreig> eroomde: huh. popular recently huh then
[10:18] <adamgreig> thomas1337: anyway for the one in central cambridge, email contact@cusf.co.uk with some details and we can almost certainly assist
[10:18] <eroomde> i.e you need to ask the permission of the people who own the sites, thomas1337, they're not a UKHAS run thing and entirely a function of the site owners
[10:18] <eroomde> maybe have a look at the most recent thread on the mailing list
[10:18] <eroomde> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[10:18] <eroomde> it has replies from the owners of both of the wites in cambridge
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[10:20] <thomas1337> Right, I'll have a look at that and email them today! I thought it was run by ukhas but I was wrong. thanks a lot
[10:22] <mfa298> ukhas is just a coming together of like minded people
[10:22] <thomas1337> got iy. well nice to meet you guts
[10:23] <thomas1337> ut*
[10:23] <thomas1337> guys
[10:23] <thomas1337> sorry, on my phone
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[10:23] <mfa298> lol, dont worry about that, plenty of people here have trouble spelling when on irc.
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[10:26] <Hix> not I. Ever!
[10:26] <Hix> ;p
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[10:29] <Hix> for those that are interested in using RDP through a corporate firewall when tunneling doesn't work. There is a plugin for chrome called AccessNow by Ericom, works a treat!
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[10:30] <fsphil> jcoxon: thinking of RX'ing via HF on the payload?
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[10:33] <jcoxon> fsphil, its a nice idea, could use a si570 as the crystal
[10:33] <Joel_re_> http://ukhas.org.uk/ukhas:arctic_challenge
[10:33] <Joel_re_> heh
[10:34] <Joel_re_> whats the deal with Leo Bodnar
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[10:35] <UpuWork> he has a head start :)
[10:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> He is the Master of the float here are the flight paths of just 5 of his 19 flights http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/index.php?ind=2
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[10:39] <Joel_re_> oh insane
[10:39] <Joel_re_> what balloon does he use
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pico's = Party balloons 36" diameter
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> see http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Pages/7.html
[10:43] <Reb-SM3ULC> I better be nice. If he would like to drop a bomb on me the statistics are bad, for me.
[10:43] <Joel_re_> thanks
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[10:46] <wd8mnv> is there any close up shots of his (Leo's) payloads?
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[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> ? http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Pages/2.html
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[10:49] <Hix> wd8mnv probably the best payload images are here http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-2/index.html
[10:49] <wd8mnv> kinda blurry... needs a proper macro shot
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> He put up a shot of B-20/21/22 the other day still on his bench
[10:50] <adamgreig> lol
[10:51] <gonzo_> so that's him done till thursday then?!
[10:51] <Hix> heh
[10:53] <wd8mnv> anyone have a 'start to finish' doccumented build? maybe from design to finish, or at least the board build and how you get code into it?
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Most people do their own thing, rather than just copy others#
[10:54] <mfa298> I think a lot of peoples first payloads are designed as they're built, then the ones after are tidying and small improvments
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[10:55] <wd8mnv> the B series seems to be fairly refined at this point
[10:55] <mfa298> and getting code into the payload depends on the platform used.
[10:55] <Reb-SM3ULC> Geoff-G8DHE: where, url?
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't see it at present have to look thru the archive
[10:56] <Joel_re_> his first launch was in june 2013
[10:56] <wd8mnv> no standard at this point, but looks like everyon uses the ublox GPS chips
[10:56] <Joel_re_> how did he get so good so fast
[10:56] <wd8mnv> planning i'd guess
[10:56] <mfa298> most people use the uBlox as I think it's the only one in production that will work >30km
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[10:57] <wd8mnv> lots of people using the RFM22 tx as well or ?
[10:57] <Upu> yeah we have done
[10:57] <Upu> still do
[10:57] <craag> Leo designs pretty cool stuff for a living http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/
[10:57] <mfa298> some have used a Lassen IQ (I think) but I don't think it's in production
[10:57] <Reb-SM3ULC> wd8mnv: telemetry over hf need a bit more work, if one want to do long flights
[10:57] <Upu> they are ok for short flights wd8mnv but cold soak kills them
[10:58] <Upu> and by cold I mean -20'C
[10:58] <Upu> so not actually that cold
[10:58] <Upu> afk
[10:59] <wd8mnv> add a atmel 328 and a battery management chip and that's close to a standard design?
[10:59] <mfa298> or a pic, or a pi, or a gadgeteer (but please dont)
[10:59] <jcoxon> wd8mnv, not even the battery management chip
[10:59] <gonzo_> Leo researched what has gone before and learned others lessons. Where as many people seem to come along insistant on redoing what others have already tried and failed with
[10:59] <jcoxon> basic design is ublox gps --> atmega328 --> Radiometrix NTX2
[11:00] <gonzo_> (also looks like he;s a good engineer)
[11:00] <jcoxon> all very well tested components
[11:00] <wd8mnv> so no common motherboard for that combo?
[11:00] <jcoxon> arduino usually
[11:00] <mfa298> or make your own pcb
[11:01] <wd8mnv> i don't have the talent to make a board... so looking to see if it's been done already
[11:01] <mfa298> if you want a standard off the shelf system for the USA you get something like the trackuio - but there's not much fun in sending up something that someone else designed and made.
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah here we are http://leobodnar.com/files/B-19_B-20_B-21.jpg
[11:02] <craag> wd8mnv: There is the habduino coming soon.
[11:02] <craag> But it's far more satisfying to make it yourself!
[11:02] <mfa298> if you want an easy make it yourself solution, arduino, ublox breakout and ntx2 (possibly with a bit of stripboard to mount things on)
[11:03] <wd8mnv> i'm not sure there isn't fun in taking something that works, flying it and then getting idesa on how to make it better
[11:04] <craag> Sure :)
[11:04] <craag> Then you can use it as a backup for your own stuff as well.
[11:04] <mfa298> for that route go for something like arduino / pi, ublox and ntx2. It's fairly easy to put together and it gives you something that you've put together and can then improve.
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[11:16] <Reb-SM3ULC> Upu: how would super-capacitors do? i'm sure someone have thought that idea.. ?
[11:17] <mfa298> I think they've been discussed a few times although I can't remember the outcome
[11:17] <Joel_re_> my msp430 based controller is almost ready
[11:17] <mfa298> although I think it was along the lines of battery technology is generally better (at least for the leightweight picos)
[11:17] <Joel_re_> mtk3339 globaltop gps -> msp430 -> NTX2
[11:17] <jcoxon> Reb-SM3ULC, i've played with supercaps
[11:18] <jcoxon> not that great regarding mass vs using a battery
[11:20] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: usable at all?
[11:20] <jcoxon> perhaps with solar charging during the day
[11:20] <jcoxon> that is an advantage of them
[11:22] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: thats what i had in mind. have been part of building routers for places where power is bad or none. have used caps and spolar. but there the weight wasn't really a problem.. :)
[11:23] <Reb-SM3ULC> jcoxon: in the router-case they were great because they don't degrade as batteries does. 2 M recharges takes a while to use...
[11:24] <gonzo_> they are great to recharge quickly, but poor capacity
[11:25] <gonzo_> for hab work, slow charge is going to be the order of the day
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[11:32] <Hix> RE supercaps, someone did the maths and it worked out to not really be usable, not without a fair bit of solar assistance, lipo seemed a better option
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[11:39] <gonzo_> we use them as backup for soem of our machines as a short term UPS. Just because they charge quick, and hold enough capacity for us to do a graceful power off.
[11:39] <gonzo_> I was going to try one as a cutdown batt. Trickle charge from the flight batt, then the cap can take the shock of the hot wire
[11:40] <gonzo_> that's on the TBD list still
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[11:42] <fsphil> would a supercap or battery be better for slow charging?
[11:43] <fsphil> some capacitors seem to lose charge quite quickly
[11:44] <gonzo_> don't know, but had some caps from the bin here so thought I'd have a tinker
[11:44] <jedas> i don't think those supercaps (ion based ones), will work allright on low temperature
[11:44] <jedas> there is a jellow/electrolytes there i think
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[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Problem with SuperCaps is the charge is directly proportional to voltage, so your load has to work over a big voltage range or you have to use the Cap before some sort of regulator.
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[12:23] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon
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[12:29] <Upu> pin gcraa
[12:29] <Upu> fail
[12:29] <Upu> ping craag
[12:40] <nats`> Geoff-G8DHE I found some DCDC for those kind of stuff
[12:40] <nats`> Linear do some going to 50mV start-up
[12:40] <nats`> for energy harvesting I'm waiting for a devkit
[12:40] <nats`> thak could be funky
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Well - if you have a secondary PSU - there really isn't any limit to startup voltage
[12:41] <nats`> ?
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> Take a hundred microohm FET, a transformer with Fat wires, a beefy input cap
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> And you can boost from millivolt supplies
[12:41] <nats`> but what is your efficiency ?
[12:41] <nats`> pretty bad I assume
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> Could be quite good.
[12:42] <nats`> unless you tune all the oscillator circuit
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> It just gets more expensive to get teh same efficiency
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> Gate drive is more or less constant with power output.
[12:43] <nats`> I used it for powering led with old battery but never though of using that for more serious load :)
[12:43] <nats`> maybe will give a try
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[12:43] <SpeedEvil> Of course, that raises the question of where to get high vurrent millivolt supplies
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> Lots of peltiers are obvious - but that isn't very cheap
[12:44] <nats`> could see the problem in inverse like in energy harvesting with piezo
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> a few milliwatts output from a $10 device isn't great
[12:44] <nats`> hig V low current bufferised
[12:44] <nats`> and feeding the dc/dc
[12:44] <nats`> that's how work their dedicated dcdc
[12:45] <nats`> a diode bridge for the piezo output
[12:45] <nats`> a cap bank storage
[12:45] <nats`> it stores until that reach the startup voltage
[12:45] <nats`> in altitude I'm wondering if using photodiode with radiation could give enough current
[12:45] <nats`> someone already sent a geiger counter ?
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[12:48] <mattbrejza> hey SpeedEvil quick question, when using (small) Lipo batteries for a circuit, do you have to cut out at ~3V or can you let the battery's circuit do that?
[12:48] <mattbrejza> as i cant find any LDOs with a UVLO
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> If you have a protected cell - you can rely on that
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> not all cells are protected
[12:48] <mattbrejza> ok thanks, was wondering if that circuit bricks the device if its too discharged
[12:48] <SpeedEvil> It's not good practice in a 'proper' device - but for a balloon, just fine
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> It disconnects the battery
[12:49] <mattbrejza> its not a balloon but w/e
[12:49] <eroomde> nats`, i believe geiger counters have been sent, yep
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> when you apply some current, it charges again
[12:49] <mattbrejza> ah nice thakns
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Also - look for ones with enable pins
[12:50] <mattbrejza> yea i was going to use enable to turn the circuit off and on on the LDO
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> If you find a LDO you can simply ground the input pin on, you can use that as shutoff
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> Rather than need a low voltage cutoff
[12:50] <mattbrejza> then can have soft power switches
[12:50] <mattbrejza> just need to add a battery voltage reading thing
[12:50] <mattbrejza> but its nice to know it wont be bricked if it does go too low
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[12:57] <nats`> SpeedEvil you have an idea of many current we could get from a photodiode in high altitude ?
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Around 1A/W
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Of that order, anyway.
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> Err - .1A
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> Photodiode efficiency is similar to solar cell
[12:58] <nats`> you only count visible light or particule radiation too ?
[12:58] <nats`> like those geiger counter based on a photodiode in metallic sheet
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Visible light is overwhelming
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[13:00] <nats`> sad...
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[13:05] <henryplumb> hi all
[13:05] <ibanezmatt13> hey there
[13:08] <henryplumb> Running irssi in a command line on my pi webserver from college because they've blocked IRC ports out!
[13:08] <fsphil> cheeky
[13:09] <mfa298> at least you're using a good irc client :D
[13:09] <henryplumb> Using shellinabox to run the pi's shell through a javascript interface in the browser
[13:09] <ibanezmatt13> you can't beat the bog standard web chat client :P
[13:10] <eroomde> henryplumb, the joy of knowing stuff
[13:10] <henryplumb> If only it IRC port wasn't blocked out! :)
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> henryplumb: I recommend quassel
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> henryplumb: quasselcore on the Pi - then quasseldroid - the ios client, or windows or linux ones can then connet to it.
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> And provide a unified scrollback and highlights.
[13:12] <nats`> and putting a ssh server on your server port 80
[13:13] <nats`> you do sock connexion
[13:13] <nats`> conenction
[13:13] <henryplumb> Cheers SpeedEvil, I'll check that out
[13:13] <eroomde> socks is great
[13:13] <eroomde> it's how i get iplayer when abroad
[13:13] <nats`> I use it everywhere
[13:13] <henryplumb> :)
[13:13] <eroomde> hopefully no one notices habhub slowing down when this happens
[13:13] <nats`> :D
[13:13] <nats`> usually I put the ssh server on 443
[13:14] <henryplumb> All ports are blocked out of college except the standard web ports :( No FTP, SSH, VNC or anything!
[13:14] <henryplumb> Computing student and can't even SSH/FTP out
[13:14] <nats`> 443 is ssl
[13:14] <nats`> I hope they don't block ssl
[13:15] <nats`> https I mean
[13:15] <mfa298> some places will run an ssl proxy so then that cant work either
[13:15] <henryplumb> Only 80 and 443 are open
[13:15] <mfa298> but it's less common
[13:16] <nats`> ssl proxy ? oO
[13:16] <nats`> I didn't even know that was possible
[13:16] <nats`> in fact I don't understand how it's possible
[13:16] <mfa298> I've never used one but I've come accross them
[13:17] <mfa298> the proxy decrypts the ssl checks it and then re-encrypts with a certificate that's trusted by the browser
[13:17] <mfa298> I've only done it the other way for load balancing servers.
[13:17] <nats`> wooohhh that seems higly unsecure
[13:17] <nats`> on public network like school or other I wouldn't play with that
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[13:18] <mfa298> I think it's only really done for places that really need to check all traffic going in/out
[13:18] <mfa298> I think ssl-vpn's efectivly do the same thing as that
[13:19] <craag> heh my school just whitelisted ssl sites
[13:19] <gonzo_> that is everywhere if GCHQ/NAS are concerned
[13:19] <craag> javascript crypto ftw
[13:20] <henryplumb> mfa298 What was that hendheld 433Mhz radio you told me about the other day you got for about £60? Can't remember what it was called
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[13:20] <mfa298> MVT 7100
[13:20] <craag> Iran was caught decrypting ssl and re-signing it with a stolen CA key a while back
[13:21] <henryplumb> Knew it had 7001 init :)
[13:21] <henryplumb> * in it
[13:21] <craag> Only found because chrome embeds the fingerprints of all the google certificates iirc
[13:21] <henryplumb> *7100
[13:21] <gonzo_> what suprises me is notb that this stuff is going on, but that amyone would ever think that it wasn't
[13:22] <craag> mm
[13:22] <craag> It happens
[13:22] <craag> GCHQ >>> NSA at internet snooping
[13:23] <craag> even NSA admits that
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[13:24] <nats`> joel backdoor ? :D
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[13:26] <craag> A lot of that stuff are dev-helper functions that accidentally made it into production
[13:27] <nats`> yep but the name is funky you must admit it :)
[13:27] <craag> yep
[13:27] <mfa298> no doubt nsa/gchq really liked debian users a few years ago with all the bad certs
[13:27] <nats`> let's patcha crypto lib without mainstreaming the modifications
[13:27] <nats`> be code hipsters !
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[13:28] <craag> Yeah, I bet GCHQ had a sign up: "Have they worked it out yet: No"
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[13:29] <craag> "Are we able to take afternoons off and still get our snooping quota done: Yes"
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[13:40] <nats`> oh my god joel is here
[13:40] <nats`> close your ssh !
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[14:11] <Joel_re> nats` ?
[14:12] <Joel_re> is this with reference to the recent dlink hax?
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[14:15] <nats`> yep :)
[14:21] <Joel_re> heh :)
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[14:37] <tweetBot> @AMSAT_UK: Amateur Radio: Balloon launch at BATC Convention http://t.co/njSmoG2V2F #amsat #hamr #ukhas #hab
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[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:42] <DL1SGP> Good afternoon Lunar_Lander
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[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[14:43] <DL1SGP> rainy, else good :D and for you?
[14:44] <Lunar_Lander> same here
[14:45] <DL1SGP> guess I gonna make best out of it and take dog for a walk in a bit
[14:46] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[15:17] Nick change: Upu -> UpuWork
[15:17] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
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[15:28] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, still no luck :(
[15:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Matthew - I looked at the help for the CMS and I'm not sure it's designed to accept a graphic
[15:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is there anyone into CSS here?
[15:29] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork
[15:29] <ibanezmatt13> Upu is
[15:30] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, Upu managed to do it for Habduino.org. Apparently it's just a case of renaming a file. I did it the same way as I got the space one on there, didn't work
[15:30] <DL1SGP> which CMS Steve?
[15:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: Have a look at this thread: http://get-simple.info/forums/showthread.php?tid=4522&highlight=summit
[15:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> GetSimple CMS Felix
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve: !
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> look at the site"
[15:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I've seen UPUs site :-)
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> nooo
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> my site! :)
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> it's working
[15:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL NOt how I imagined it
[15:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Change it back and I@ll show you
[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> wait, what do you want me to do?
[15:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Just out the old graphic back and I'll show you how I thought you'd have it
[15:33] <ibanezmatt13> oh, ok :)
[15:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> But, if you do just want the header logo to be like that, I can do that easily
[15:33] <ibanezmatt13> I'll change it back first
[15:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[15:34] <ibanezmatt13> changed back
[15:34] <ibanezmatt13> initially, I thought about having the logo on top of that picture but I'm open to anything really :)
[15:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, that's what I@m going to show you - Gimme a tick
[15:35] <ibanezmatt13> sweet!
[15:35] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, I have to go down for my tea in a few mins, but I'll be back up here for 4:50 ish
[15:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sure
[15:36] <ibanezmatt13> afk 20 mins
[15:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> See you later on.
[15:36] Nick change: ibanezmatt13 -> ibanezmatt13_afk
[15:36] <ibanezmatt13_afk> see you
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[15:46] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, back :)
[15:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Blimey!
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[15:47] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I couldn't wait
[15:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wolfed it? :-)
[15:47] <ibanezmatt13> Yep
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[15:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> This is what I thought you were going to do: http://i.imgur.com/nxtrPgG.http://i.imgur.com/nxtrPgG.jpg
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[15:47] <ibanezmatt13> file not found
[15:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> ????
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[15:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> http://i.imgur.com/nxtrPgG.jpg
[15:48] <ibanezmatt13> ah yes
[15:48] <ibanezmatt13> ta
[15:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Repeated for some reason
[15:48] <ibanezmatt13> looks awesome!
[15:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> I think the best thing to do would be to chat to UpuWork
[15:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm really unfamiliar with SimpleCMS
[15:49] <ibanezmatt13> I think the only way you could do that is to make a jpeg that is the space bit with that on top
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[15:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> With Wordpress, it's pretty straightforward
[15:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> I don't think that's how Upu did it... hang on
[15:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh yes! I 've just taken a look
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[15:50] <ibanezmatt13> that's what I had in mind sort of :)
[15:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hmmm, OK - One moment
[15:50] <ibanezmatt13> ie, logo as a part of the background pic
[15:50] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[15:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Can I flip the image so the sinrise is on the right?
[15:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> sunrise
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[15:51] <ibanezmatt13> go for it :)
[15:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll do both
[15:51] <mfa298> putting both images together is probably the easiest method, otherwise you're playing with html and css
[15:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah
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[15:52] <mfa298> sounds like ibanezmatt13 needs to find a decent image editor like photoshop (expensive) or Gimp (free)
[15:52] <ibanezmatt13> I have elements
[15:52] <ibanezmatt13> but I'm useless
[15:52] <ibanezmatt13> completely unimaginitive
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[15:53] <mfa298> im no good at designing stuff, but if you've got a logo and image like that it shouldn't be too hard to put them together
[15:53] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, when you load up a website and in the tab bit, it has a logo next to the name of the site. Mine just says BT. You any idea how that would be changed? Perhaps in the 123-reg control panel or something
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[15:55] <mfa298> I think you mean the favicon.ico
[15:55] <ibanezmatt13> ah right
[15:55] <ibanezmatt13> I've seen that in the files
[15:55] <mfa298> in which case it's a small image that would go in the main folder with the web pages
[15:55] <ibanezmatt13> So I'd simply replace that with a new .ico. Sweet
[15:56] <mfa298> it's something like a 16x16 image
[15:57] <Hix> needs a ref in the header html too
[15:57] <mfa298> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon
[15:57] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[15:57] <Hix> <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/x-icon" href="favicon.ico"
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> right... not quite sure how I'd do that
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> shortcut icon?
[15:59] <mfa298> I think in most setups it will work without that line in the html for a reasonable value of work
[15:59] <ibanezmatt13> I'll give it a go later
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[16:03] <ibanezmatt13> Upu / UpuWork: Just replied, the inductor would be a good idea! :)
[16:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13 http://i.imgur.com/9CiKAM7.jpg Sorry it took so long
[16:05] <ibanezmatt13> thanks, np
[16:06] <ibanezmatt13> awesome! :)
[16:06] <ibanezmatt13> thank you!!!!
[16:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> I put a small drop shadow underneath the small text cos it was getting a little lost against the background
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[16:07] <ibanezmatt13> done
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[16:07] <ibanezmatt13> looks awesome, thank you very much!
[16:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hmm, I think I went a littl emad with the grad
[16:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> On the left, getting lost on the page
[16:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Let me fix that
[16:07] <ibanezmatt13> sure, thank yo
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[16:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: http://i.imgur.com/MVorfIv.jpg Hopefully, that'll look a little better
[16:12] <ibanezmatt13> looks awesome, I'll change it now :)
[16:12] <chrisstubbs> neat!
[16:12] <ibanezmatt13> done
[16:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's better
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[16:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> YOu couldn't see the rounded corners with the old one
[16:13] <ibanezmatt13> ah right
[16:13] <ibanezmatt13> looks amazing
[16:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Now, you can loose the text norb at the top and you're done
[16:13] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I'll try change it now, one sec
[16:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK - YOu like it chrisstubbs ?
[16:14] <chrisstubbs> Yeah
[16:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> It was fun coming up with a 3rd balloon variant LOL
[16:14] <ibanezmatt13> sorted
[16:14] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[16:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> After designing UPUs & mine
[16:14] <ibanezmatt13> man that is too cool
[16:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Looks good ibanezmatt13 If I say so myself :D
[16:15] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, that PDF you sent me earlier, do you have the three images on their own?
[16:15] <ibanezmatt13> for other things
[16:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll do all that for you. All the variations in three sizes
[16:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Do you need them right now?
[16:15] <ibanezmatt13> no, don't worry :)
[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> The smallest one, if at right size might be good for the .ico
[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> favicon thing
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll sort them tomorrow morning.
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> 32x32?
[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> brill, thank you very much
[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> erm
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> 64x64
[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> not sure what size they are typically
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> 16x16?
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[16:16] <ibanezmatt13> 16x16 was mentioned earlier
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Uno momento
[16:16] <mfa298> wikipedia suggests 16x16 up to 64x64
[16:16] <mfa298> in multiples of 16x16
[16:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> I@ll do the 16x16 first and see if I can work out how it works
[16:17] <ibanezmatt13> cool,thanks
[16:17] <mfa298> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon seems to have a decent bit of info of what's supported by which browser
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, you should write a book
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> "48 hour web developer"
[16:18] <ibanezmatt13> lol, not that hard really :)
[16:19] <ibanezmatt13> 36 hours more like ;)
[16:19] <craag> Heh you can use a massive PNG as a favicon, browsers/mobiles will then resize it.
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[16:19] <craag> Not at all standards compliant, but it works!
[16:19] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: one option you might want to consider turning on in simplecms is "Use Fancy URLs" that way http://www.norb.co.uk/index.php?id=projects should become something like http://www.norb.co.uk/projects
[16:20] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, I saw that option
[16:20] <ibanezmatt13> I'll tick it
[16:20] <craag> Might need some webserver config for that as well.
[16:20] <ibanezmatt13> done
[16:20] <daveake> Nice image. Whose photo is that?
[16:21] <mfa298> I think it will just work (I tested on my test install of simple cms)
[16:21] <ibanezmatt13> no idea daveake :P
[16:21] <craag> mfa298: Wow, magic!
[16:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: Have you still got the dropbox link?
[16:21] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[16:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> favicon waiting there
[16:21] <ibanezmatt13> sweet, thank you very much!
[16:21] Action: craag spent a couple of hours the other day with a bug in mediawiki that was shortening all URLs correctly, except images.
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[16:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake: It was an image I found on Deviantart - A freeware wallpaper
[16:22] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you might need to manually update the links on the projects page but it looks like the nice versions of them work.
[16:22] <chrisstubbs> Mediawiki is horrible :(
[16:22] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: try semantic mediawiki - even more fun
[16:22] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, ok mfa298
[16:23] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve, I can't find them. I may have the wrong link
[16:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> One tick
[16:23] <craag> mfa298: +1 for that... there's a reason SUWS is still on 1.17 ...
[16:24] <craag> Just checked, my work has a 500x500 PNG for it's favicon :P
[16:24] <mfa298> after a lot of fiddling with it I got semantic mw doing the right thing for my documentation site, but it did take a lot of faffage
[16:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Blimey craag !
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[16:26] <eroomde> excel has an undo history of 1
[16:26] <eroomde> 1!!!
[16:26] <eroomde> jesus
[16:26] <eroomde> i knew trying to return to windows would cause me anguish
[16:26] <craag> G0TDJ_Steve: Luckily I'm the hw guy, not the web dev ;)
[16:27] <eroomde> but this is ridiculous
[16:27] <mfa298> maybe you need a newer version of excel
[16:27] <eroomde> if this was vim, i could undo forever, or undo for 15 minutes ago, and this would all be in python
[16:27] <mfa298> I just undid 4 changes (I only made 4 changes to test with)
[16:27] <eroomde> but no, the person responable for this spreadsheet seems to think that mixing raw data and process in one 'document' is somehow natural and normal
[16:27] <eroomde> rather than abhorrent
[16:27] <eroomde> jesus
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[16:28] <G0TDJ_Steve_> Internet dropped out
[16:28] <eroomde> you only missed me being angry
[16:28] <eroomde> for more of that, just stick around
[16:28] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve_, I exchanged the present favicon.png with the favicon.ico and nothing changed. Still says BT for some reason. Might just be me
[16:29] <eroomde> try a hard refresh
[16:29] <G0TDJ_Steve_> Yeah, browsers tend to hang on to favicons. HAve you got another browser loaded on your PC/Mac?
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> just did eroomde
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try IE
[16:29] <eroomde> try whatever G0TDJ_Steve says
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[16:29] <G0TDJ_Steve_> Thanks for your confidence
[16:29] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve_, interenet explorer just shows IE
[16:30] <G0TDJ_Steve_> ibanezmatt13: YOu did put it in the root of the site?
[16:30] <ibanezmatt13> what do you mean?
[16:30] <ibanezmatt13> I put it where the old one was and deleted the old one
[16:30] <craag> /favicon.ico?
[16:31] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
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[16:31] <craag> Page not found, doesn't seem to exist on the site
[16:31] <ibanezmatt13> hmm
[16:31] <craag> (norb.co.uk)
[16:31] <mfa298> i think it's in the wrong folder
[16:32] <craag> Most likely
[16:32] <ibanezmatt13> I put it where the other one is, probabl
[16:32] <ibanezmatt13> y
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[16:32] <ibanezmatt13> it's in admin
[16:32] <craag> http://www.norb.co.uk/admin/favicon.ico
[16:32] <craag> yeah put it a folder lower
[16:32] <ibanezmatt13> oh, I'll move it up one
[16:33] <craag> or higher, depending on your pov :)
[16:33] <ibanezmatt13> any update?
[16:33] <ibanezmatt13> I've moved it up one, still got BT
[16:33] <craag> yep works!
[16:33] <ibanezmatt13> really
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[16:33] <craag> Crtl+Shift+R in chrome
[16:33] <mfa298> try ctrl-r or ctrl-f5 to force a refresh
[16:33] <ibanezmatt13> yay! :)
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[16:34] <ibanezmatt13> G0TDJ_Steve_, we've sorted the ico :)
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[16:34] <ibanezmatt13> the favicon
[16:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Flippin' connection....
[16:34] <ibanezmatt13> Sorted the favicon G0TDJ_Steve
[16:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll take alook
[16:35] <ibanezmatt13> looks cool
[16:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey cool... :D
[16:35] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know how to get rid of the date stamp it puts at the bottom of everything I write?
[16:36] <eroomde> works for me too
[16:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> I would appreciate one thing Matthew
[16:36] <eroomde> funny how things like making a favicon work for a website about HAB can take longer than writing, say, the RTTY software
[16:36] <ibanezmatt13> not in my case :P
[16:36] <jcoxon> eroomde, in the same time i've pretty much constructed a flight computer
[16:37] <ibanezmatt13> Thank you again G0TDJ_Steve, amazing work!
[16:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: No problem - Would you mind adding my blog to your links?
[16:37] <ibanezmatt13> of course :)
[16:37] <eroomde> jcoxon, aint it the way
[16:37] <eroomde> i am cadding
[16:37] <eroomde> and liking it
[16:37] <eroomde> and using excel
[16:37] <ibanezmatt13> link G0TDJ_Steve?
[16:37] <eroomde> and hating it
[16:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> http://www.projecthab.co.uk
[16:37] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
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[16:38] <eroomde> surely you should just have input data as a separate source file, and then a program to munge it, and then an output file
[16:38] <eroomde> surely
[16:38] <jcoxon> eroomde, added an ntx2b to an RFbee
[16:38] <jcoxon> so now i can do 434 and 868
[16:38] <eroomde> and then all of these things are nicely configuration controllable
[16:38] <eroomde> and split up into logical units
[16:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> #'munge it'?
[16:38] <jcoxon> wooooo
[16:38] <eroomde> excel just takes that nice clean unixy ideal and lays a big turd ontop of it
[16:39] <eroomde> munge - process
[16:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, I see :-)
[16:39] <eroomde> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/munge
[16:39] <eroomde> i describe a lot of what I do as datamunging
[16:39] <eroomde> data-munging*
[16:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool
[16:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks ibanezmatt13 :-)
[16:41] <ibanezmatt13> np
[16:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Chris and Dave have callsigns too
[16:42] <ibanezmatt13> M6RPI?
[16:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Dunno if they would like therm on there - Yeah, that's daveake's
[16:42] <ibanezmatt13> You want yours?
[16:43] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> chrisstubbsM6EDF
[16:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Chris M6EDF? - Yeah, I like mine on there
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[16:43] <ibanezmatt13> you want yours too Chris? :)
[16:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> my what where?
[16:43] <ibanezmatt13> check the site
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[16:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> my nick+callsign is bang on the character limit lol
[16:44] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Yeah go for it :)
[16:44] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[16:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> How about M6EDF_Chris
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[16:44] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I thought it would be better that way round then you can autocomplete to my nick either way round
[16:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> True
[16:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wonder when ibanezmatt13 is going to get licenced?
[16:45] <eroomde> that is a valid point
[16:45] <ibanezmatt13> well
[16:46] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not that good at radio tbh
[16:46] <eroomde> i tried to say something to G0TDJ_Steve during a flight the other day, and had to hit tab about 5 times to get the right G0
[16:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[16:46] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, what is ohms law
[16:46] <eroomde> just write it here:
[16:46] <ibanezmatt13> v=IR
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[16:46] <eroomde> ok
[16:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Do I need to do it the other way? Steve_G0TDJ
[16:46] <eroomde> you are now qualified intellectually to get foudation and intermeiate licenses
[16:46] <ibanezmatt13> lol
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[16:46] <arko> Hah
[16:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: He's not wrong, it's not that hard
[16:46] <ibanezmatt13> practically, don't think so
[16:46] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> There was a 6 year old girl doing the exam when I did mine
[16:46] <eroomde> seriously, the science bit is easy
[16:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> she failed, but still..
[16:47] <eroomde> you just have to learn a few Q codes and stuff, iirc
[16:47] <eroomde> and do a practical
[16:47] <ibanezmatt13> you got one eroomde?
[16:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> We'll give you a hand
[16:47] <eroomde> which is all interesting stuff
[16:47] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, yes
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[16:47] <eroomde> M0TEK
[16:47] <ibanezmatt13> I'd fail the practical definitely
[16:47] <ibanezmatt13> the theory, probably not
[16:47] <eroomde> i got one so i could make my own radio equipment
[16:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Practice
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[16:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> you just really have to take part in the practical and get a tick
[16:47] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, you've designed PCBs!!!
[16:47] <ibanezmatt13> true
[16:48] <ibanezmatt13> but I didn't have to make them
[16:48] <eroomde> you're so so overqualified for this
[16:48] <ibanezmatt13> I guess so
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[16:48] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ibanezmatt13, http://www.hamtests.co.uk/
[16:48] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> tell us what mark you get
[16:48] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ;)
[16:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: Its a good thing to have - Smething for the CV too
[16:48] <mfa298> I did the equivalent of the advanced exam at the same time as doing gcse's, it's mostly some simple maths (ohms law / power law), a bit of electronics and licensing terms and safety stuff (half of which is common sense)
[16:48] <ibanezmatt13> thanks chrisstubbsM6EDF :)
[16:49] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I might try the intermediate and advanced tests now
[16:49] <ibanezmatt13> yes G0TDJ_Steve. I'm pleased already with what I can put on it to be honest ;)
[16:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[16:49] Action: G0TDJ_Steve is SO glad he got a G0 all those years ago
[16:50] <mfa298> If only I'd done the RAE a year earlier I could have been a G7, as it is I'll have to live with being an M1
[16:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wanted my initials in my call but I was too late
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[17:01] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve, same
[17:01] <eroomde> all the M0[relevent] was long gone
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[17:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah
[17:01] <eroomde> so i tenk for TEK in honour of the test equipment
[17:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Fair enough :-) TDJ is random
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[17:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> I still remember seeing it through the windowed envelope for the first time.... "WHAT?"
[17:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice in CW though.
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[17:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, I have my radio clubs AGM tonight.Gotta prepare - See you guys later :-)
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[18:15] <DL7AD> good evening
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[18:17] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Hi DL7AD
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[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:33] <DL7AD> guten abend Lunar_Lander
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> hallo DL7AD
[18:34] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: musst mal auf die karte schauen ;)
[18:35] <Lunar_Lander> cool D-1
[18:35] <DL7AD> :D ist ein gps fehler der irgendwie immer größer wird
[18:35] <DL7AD> rofl
[18:36] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: aber sieht doch täuschend echt aus, wah? :D
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD! ja
[18:36] <DL7AD> muss mal gucken... das gps spinnt irgendwie rum. dafür funzt die software jetzt endlich richtig...
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[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> ja
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[18:40] <ibanezmatt13_> Guten morgen heir Lunar, I can't speak German
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> no problem
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello :)
[18:41] <ibanezmatt13_> :)
[18:41] <DL7AD> good evening ibanezmatt13_
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> kan je ook een beetje nederlands spreken?
[18:41] <ibanezmatt13_> evening DL7AD
[18:41] <ibanezmatt13_> vo ist di shlussel
[18:42] <ibanezmatt13_> I know that means wher is the key
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:42] <ibanezmatt13_> spelt incorrectly
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> Wo ist der Schlüssel?
[18:42] <ibanezmatt13_> cool
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13_> vie getezeenen
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13_> or something like that
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13_> how are you
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13_> there's a shorter version too
[18:43] <DL1SGP> Wie geht es Ihnen? you were close ibanezmatt13_
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13_> that's the one :)
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> Ick been ein berleener
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[18:44] <ibanezmatt13_> Berlin's amazing
[18:44] <DL1SGP> Amsterdam is better :D
[18:44] <ibanezmatt13_> Ick been ein Manc
[18:44] <ibanezmatt13_> Mancs come from Manchester
[18:45] <ibanezmatt13_> right, need cup of tea. bbl
[18:45] <DL1SGP> .oO( tea )
[18:45] Action: DL1SGP needs a glass of wine bbl
[18:45] <DL1SGP> :D
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> I want to go to NL
[18:47] <bertrik> just go, what's stopping you?
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[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah you have to plan first
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> like on trains and stuff
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> also, work tomorrow
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[18:49] <bertrik> the netherlands isn't much fun in winter anyway
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> and I was shown this TV show: http://youtu.be/TpeQdQVb4Fk?t=24s XD
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[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> the face of that woman :D
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> unfortunately my dutch is not that great yet, I understand that the guy shouts something like "Hey, there is a woman at the door, asking if you can..."
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[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> bertrik, can you help me with that?
[18:58] <bertrik> Lunar_Lander: probably, but also off-topic here I think
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> no problem :)
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> thanks anyway
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, do you have new info concerning insuring PICO flights in GER?
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[18:59] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: info in which way?
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> that they told you if insurance is possible
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> after they wanted to know more about what a Pico balloon is
[19:00] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: no more information...
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:00] <tjanos> Good evening!
[19:01] <tjanos> Sven, DL7AD, how can interpret the fligh diagram of your ballon? was it on 16000 m?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi
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[19:07] <mclane> DL7AD: I see a D-1 balloon on the tracker - what are the plans?
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[19:14] <Laurenceb__> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/technicalillusions/castar-the-most-versatile-ar-and-vr-system
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[19:16] <DL7AD> tjanos: no it was a gps error
[19:16] <Upu> its a fair guess that is going to get over funded
[19:17] <DL7AD> mclane: i just wanted to test my tracker... and the gps went away more and more :D
[19:17] <Upu> hi DL7AD
[19:17] <DL7AD> mclane: everyone thought, i launched the balloon :D rofl
[19:17] <DL7AD> good evening Upu
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[19:26] <tjanos> Sven, which type is your GPS?
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[19:53] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, just got 100% on an entire C1 past paper
[19:53] <eroomde> can't say fairer than that
[19:53] <ibanezmatt13> took me just under 15 minutes
[19:54] <ibanezmatt13> just doing a D1 paper now
[19:54] <DL7AD> tjanos: its max7
[19:55] <tjanos> thanks
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[20:42] <adamgreig> ibanezmatt13: haha, acing it, good job
[20:43] <ibanezmatt13> lol thanks :)
[20:43] <ibanezmatt13> Just got around 95% on D1
[20:43] <ibanezmatt13> both C1 and D1 exams are next June anyway :P
[20:43] <adamgreig> wow
[20:43] <adamgreig> well you're doing much better than I ever did
[20:43] <adamgreig> keep it up
[20:44] <ibanezmatt13> well, I'm literally going home everday and making sure I can do it all before I do anything else
[20:44] <adamgreig> that is a super plan
[20:44] <adamgreig> definitely keep it up
[20:44] <ibanezmatt13> as I was saying to eroomde earlier, I have a strong work ethic
[20:44] <ibanezmatt13> yes I will
[20:44] <ibanezmatt13> don't worry
[20:44] <adamgreig> will get you far
[20:45] <ibanezmatt13> well, will get me to the interview :P
[20:45] <eroomde> v good practice for university
[20:45] <eroomde> where the pace can be quite intense
[20:45] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[20:45] <adamgreig> get you to many interviews I'm sure
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[20:45] <ibanezmatt13> not necessarily past them is the point I'm making :)
[20:46] <ibanezmatt13> Hey eroomde, go with throttle up 30th yes?
[20:47] <eroomde> yep
[20:47] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[20:50] <mfa298> I don't know what Universities are like these days but when I had my interview at Southampton the comment they made was that they had already decided to offer people places (based on grades) but the interview was to judge how keen people were so they could offer places if you didn't quite make the grades.
[20:50] <adamgreig> my soton interview was like
[20:50] <adamgreig> "so we're giving all of you offers, this interview is a chance for you to ask US questions!"
[20:50] <adamgreig> shudder
[20:50] <adamgreig> that was a bit awkward for everyone involved
[20:51] <adamgreig> my imperial interview was also more like a tour and a brief chat
[20:51] <mfa298> sounds like a similar thing.
[20:51] <adamgreig> surrey were surprisingly rigorous
[20:51] <ibanezmatt13> that sounds not that bad
[20:51] <adamgreig> bristol was a chat without any serious maths or anything
[20:51] <mfa298> most of the others I went to were more tour than anything.
[20:51] <adamgreig> cambridge was a bit more involved
[20:51] <adamgreig> and no tour
[20:51] <ibanezmatt13> adamgreig, where did you go?
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[20:52] <adamgreig> cambridge
[20:52] <mfa298> Plymouthm and Birmingham were also just tours (although I probably looked at Uni's several years before adam was looking at them)
[20:52] <ibanezmatt13> well done
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[20:53] <adamgreig> you know I'm aka Randomskk? used to run CUSF etc
[20:53] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, forgot
[20:53] <adamgreig> :P
[20:53] <adamgreig> though now i'm like, an old fart basically. the CUSF freshers thing was today (we packed out LR4 eroomde!)
[20:53] <adamgreig> and my role was mostly telling amusing stories and giving tours of the lab
[20:53] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[20:53] <eroomde> wait until the curmudgeonly bit starts to kick in
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[20:54] <adamgreig> "until"
[20:54] <adamgreig> already hate undergrads
[20:54] <adamgreig> met jon c after and we just moaned about undergrads a bit :P
[20:55] <number10> you are getting old adamgreig
[20:55] <eroomde> lol
[20:57] <mattbrejza> oh we moaning about undergrads?
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[20:57] <mattbrejza> can i join :P
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[20:58] <eroomde> they keep getting younger
[20:58] <adamgreig> yes!!
[20:58] <adamgreig> so young!
[20:58] <adamgreig> pretty sure i was never that young
[20:59] <mfa298> work in a service part of a Uni and you can start complaining about PhD's and Professors
[20:59] <adamgreig> :D
[20:59] <adamgreig> my computer officer is great
[20:59] <adamgreig> he has a PhD in percussion
[20:59] <eroomde> fo real?
[20:59] <adamgreig> yea really!
[20:59] <eroomde> wow
[20:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> adamgreig: :)
[20:59] <eroomde> IBM Model M?
[20:59] <adamgreig> hahaha
[20:59] <Reb-SM3ULC> eroomde: haha
[21:00] <adamgreig> eroomde: no, really, and acoustics? from anglia ruskin
[21:00] <eroomde> wowza
[21:01] <adamgreig> but figured cambridge, working with computers, getting to do his own research on the side, actual paying job, would be fun
[21:01] <eroomde> planes trains and automobiles on e4
[21:01] <eroomde> the noise of a big US railcar horn
[21:02] <adamgreig> they're insane
[21:02] <eroomde> suddenly transported back
[21:02] <adamgreig> canada had some amazingly long trains
[21:02] <adamgreig> and freight gets priority over people
[21:02] <eroomde> totally popped put the Zephyr train experiences into my working registers
[21:02] <eroomde> was right there for a split second before i realised i was at home in oxford
[21:02] <Reb-SM3ULC> adamgreig: about 3 km long trains, right?
[21:03] <adamgreig> something like that
[21:03] <adamgreig> they just kept going and going
[21:04] <Reb-SM3ULC> adamgreig: looped?
[21:05] <adamgreig> haha
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> off to sleep, maths test tomorrow. eroomde 's earlier exercise has transformed by brain into that of a genius!
[21:07] <eroomde> [we did the resistor cube]
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[21:07] <ibanezmatt13> good night
[21:07] <Reb-SM3ULC> :D
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[21:11] <Laurenceb__> castar is grabbing lots of funding
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> i dont get it
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[21:21] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde: http://pastebin.com/AmFvzxBZ
[21:21] <eroomde> gonna do it?
[21:21] <ibanezmatt13> I didn't get 5 A*s :/
[21:21] <ibanezmatt13> I got 4
[21:22] <ibanezmatt13> I'll send them an email about it
[21:23] <ibanezmatt13> But with it being Winstanley, they probably won't let me
[21:23] <eroomde> do
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[21:25] <ibanezmatt13> email sent
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[21:26] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, They're so intimidating, Seriously: "These students have been initially selected because of advice from Cambridge; most students who get in Oxford or Cambridge have this level of GCSE achievement."
[21:27] <ibanezmatt13> damn
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[21:27] <eroomde> it's not a firewall
[21:27] <eroomde> just a trend
[21:27] <mfa298> just remember that you already have contacts at cambridge ;)
[21:28] <ibanezmatt13> but unfortunately, that doesn't help in getting in :/
[21:29] <mfa298> being able to find out who to talk to about things can be very useful for which inside information can be helpful.
[21:29] <eroomde> yup
[21:29] <eroomde> and also it's over a year away
[21:30] <ibanezmatt13> To be honest, I shouldn't be so hard on myself. Cambridge is the ultimate university everyone aspires to. I can aim for Cambridge, but I'll probably have to settle for something like Wigan Uni :P
[21:30] <eroomde> more about finding a course you think you'll like
[21:31] <ibanezmatt13> it's not the end of the world if I don't get in anyway I guess. Chances are pretty slim
[21:31] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, pick the course rather than the university...
[21:31] <ibanezmatt13> I'm sure they do aeronautical engineering at Wigan Uni, if it exists :P
[21:32] <mfa298> there's a good range of Uni's that are good for engineering and you should have no trouble getting into one of them.
[21:34] <mfa298> althoguh if you go to Southampton and do aerospace you might the last couple of years worth of 4th year MEng students to shame (you've managed to successfully launch a HAB)
[21:34] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[21:34] <ibanezmatt13> it's not that hard :P
[21:35] <eroomde> it is if you insist on using the Microsoft Gadgeteer
[21:35] <ibanezmatt13> is that some sort of language?
[21:36] <mfa298> .Net on an embedded system
[21:36] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[21:37] <ibanezmatt13> So yeah, as well as possibly not being able to do that early oxbridge course thing, I got told by someone who reviewed my dislexia test that I'd find the majority of my maths course more difficult than most others, apparently
[21:37] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[21:39] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, does a distinction count as an A or A* ?
[21:39] <eroomde> distinction at what?
[21:40] <eroomde> tho to answer in advance, no idea
[21:40] <ibanezmatt13> some sort of core IT we did at GCSE
[21:40] <ibanezmatt13> o
[21:40] <ibanezmatt13> k
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[21:41] <WillTablet> 1000 minutes left on an iPlayer download. By the time that's finished, they'l
[21:42] <WillTablet> They'll be a new version of iPlayer out
[21:42] <adamgreig> you need faster internet
[21:42] <mfa298> or to not run things that kill internet speeds
[21:42] <adamgreig> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3024814049.png definitely just faster internet
[21:43] <WillTablet> I don't anymore
[21:43] <mfa298> so is there a new version of iplayer tomorrow then ?
[21:43] <fsphil> shush adamgreig
[21:43] <WillTablet> I was exaggerating
[21:43] <fsphil> you're not allowed to use speedtest.net
[21:43] <WillTablet> Why?
[21:44] <adamgreig> I was faster than several of their servers :D
[21:44] <mfa298> only 80x faster than my download speed
[21:44] <mfa298> and I've got full rate sync from the exchange
[21:44] <mfa298> anyone would think I live in the middle of no where
[21:44] <fsphil> my internet is 0.1 adamgreigs
[21:45] <WillTablet> Hah. 3mbps. It's all lies, they're not even square.
[21:45] <mfa298> WillTablet: what's your measured upload speed and ping speed
[21:46] <mfa298> one of my better results http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3035828620
[21:47] <WillTablet> 0.58mbps
[21:47] <WillTablet> 76ms
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[21:49] <mfa298> I'll believe that 3Mbps then, although 76ms ping is not good.
[21:49] <mfa298> or maybe I'm just seeing the benefit of a good router
[21:49] <WillTablet> I'll just have to watch Stephen Fry's amazing documentary on LGBT people worldwide at some other time. It's actually quite relevant to my RE presentation today about our planned campaign methods for LGBT rights.
[21:50] <WillTablet> We aren't actually protesting, it's just a project thing. I got generally good responses but people kept asking me why I'm so passionate about it-
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[21:56] <Laurenceb__> Antireligious education?
[21:57] <WillTablet> Surprisingly, my RE teacher actually agrees with our cause. And she's Catholic.
[22:00] <mfa298> just because someones catholic doesn't mean that they're totally anti lgbt.
[22:01] <mfa298> there's certainly a lot of religous people that whilst they're against lgbt relationships aren't against people that identify as lgbt.
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[22:09] <WillTablet> Indeed.
[22:10] <WillTablet> However, people should keep their views to themselves.
[22:11] <WillTablet> Why I'm so passionate about the cause, is actually due to my own orientation but obviously I can't say that to other people.
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[22:27] <craag> Huh, after designing how to switch this 3G dongle off at altitude, it's own power-saving seems to be 10x better than anything else.
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[22:28] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:29] <craag> It's actually cold to the touch, despite holding a GPRS connection.
[22:29] <mfa298> you've got to like nice simple solutions
[22:30] <craag> Pi on the other hand with camera, ffmpeg, usb, ethernet and ~6V input voltage is radiating heat noticeabley.
[22:30] <WillTablet> Boards should turn up any day now
[22:30] <WillTablet> I'm sorta dreading getting the BBB out
[22:31] <craag> WillTablet: Is this an NTX2/ublox 'cape'?
[22:31] <WillTablet> Yup. Well, not a cape but actually you just gave me an idea
[22:32] <WillTablet> It'd be difficult to design a board and get headers big enough though
[22:33] <craag> Get headers big enough?
[22:33] <craag> I'm designing a 'cape' at the moment
[22:35] <WillTablet> For?
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> craag, cold?
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[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> is the 3G system warm when operating?
[22:36] <craag> haha Lunar_Lander I thought that was a joke about the 'cape' for a moment!
[22:36] <craag> Yes the 3G dongle gets toasty (pulls 0.8A) when streaming.
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah you mean like cape, like something to dress?
[22:37] <craag> But I didn't want it wasting battery out of phone range (altitude >1000m) so I was going to switch it off with a p-channel mosfet.
[22:38] <craag> Yeah exactly!
[22:38] <craag> What you need when you're cold
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:39] <craag> Not sure that's quite what my supervisor is looking for :P
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> but the future!
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> (as to Clive Sinclair)
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:40] <craag> :D
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[23:06] <WillTablet> Going to an IT thing at BCOT tomorrow, might be quite good
[23:06] <WillTablet> Ooh. Instagram API looks nice, might play with it when I get the chance
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[23:22] <fsphil> which way does the male pin go into the jst-rcy housing?
[23:22] <fsphil> can only go in two ways, neither seem to be fitting
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[23:39] <craag> haha I take it people saw this http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2013/437_700_mhz_ham_radio_balloon_heading_for_uk.htm#.Ul3SAt-lcfw
[23:39] <craag> I don't believe that's SP3OSJ's payload...
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