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[06:27] <nosebleedkt_> good morning everyone !
[06:27] <nosebleedkt_> greek weather like UK :(
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[07:05] <DL1SGP> good morning everyone
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[07:23] <Maxell> -yawn- :P
[07:24] <Mik_WD8MNV> any projects this weekend?
[07:25] <UpuWork> probably :)
[07:26] <Maxell> :P
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[07:40] <LZ1CLA> Morning :)
[07:42] <LZ1CLA> Managed to run Hellschreiber with arduino pro mini and rf22
[07:42] <LZ1CLA> Next step Domino EX :)
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[07:51] <UpuWork> step size is your issue LZ1CLA
[07:51] <UpuWork> also RF22 will drift unless you have a TCXO on it
[07:51] <UpuWork> RFM22B ?
[07:51] <LZ1CLA> yep
[07:51] <UpuWork> yeah not really suitable
[07:52] <LZ1CLA> It is drifting
[07:52] <UpuWork> even if you can so some crystal pulling to get the step size correct
[07:52] <UpuWork> the drift will kill it
[07:52] <UpuWork> NTX2B is your best bet
[07:52] <LZ1CLA> i will check it
[07:52] <LZ1CLA> thanks
[07:55] <LeoBodnar> morning
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[07:56] <DL1SGP> good mornign LeoBodnar
[07:57] <LZ1CLA> For Folio Balloon which is the most suitable radio module? As i see NTX2B puts out only 10mw
[07:57] <DL1SGP> now the crappy weather that grounded B-18 has reached me :)
[07:58] <UpuWork> LZ1CLA 10mW is fine
[07:58] <LZ1CLA> 
[07:58] <UpuWork> all the foil launches have been 10mW
[07:58] <DL1SGP> 10mW rock :)
[07:58] <UpuWork> thats all we are permitted to use in the UK
[07:58] <LZ1CLA> interesting
[07:59] <LZ1CLA> here you can run 5w with no problems
[07:59] <UpuWork> we've seen ranges of 750km
[07:59] <UpuWork> 5W is fine but your battery isn't going to last long
[07:59] <LZ1CLA> Any ideas where i can get ntx2b for best price
[07:59] <Maxell> LZ1CLA: lol, 5 watts in the ISM band?
[07:59] <Maxell> without licence?
[08:00] <LZ1CLA> I have license
[08:00] <LZ1CLA> no issues there
[08:00] <daveake> You're not going to be able to carry a battery suitable for 5W from a foil balloon
[08:00] <LZ1CLA> yeah, sure
[08:01] <Darkside> and with such low baud rates, 10-20mW is all you need
[08:01] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
[08:01] <Hix> LZ1CLA Upu sells the NTX2B
[08:01] <Hix> ^^ :)
[08:01] <LZ1CLA> Ok, i will order it right now :)
[08:02] <UpuWork> they are on back order
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[08:04] <balor> Upu: Do you have any of the habduino boards in stock? And, what is an approximate price for them?
[08:05] <UpuWork> brb phone
[08:05] <balor> UpuWork, np, I'm not in a rush :)
[08:05] <UpuWork> give me a few mins balor :)
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[08:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning!
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[08:14] <number10> morning
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[08:18] <x-f> morning
[08:20] <Maxell> hai x-f
[08:20] <x-f> o hai
[08:21] <Maxell> yes hello
[08:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey
[08:24] <x-f> hi, Steve
[08:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hiya x-f
[08:25] <x-f> G0TDJ_Steve, i was reading your blog and wanted to suggest you that you send the link in your telemetry only every Xth cycle
[08:25] <x-f> you would get more updates
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[08:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's a great idea, just not sure how to code it. I've modified someone else's code
[08:26] <x-f> it should be easy, something like - if (sentence_id % 10 == 0) { tx_link(); }
[08:27] <x-f> that would be every 10th, for example
[08:27] Action: DL1SGP likes modulo
[08:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Talk me through that line of code please?
[08:28] <x-f> you have a variable in your code, that indicates the counter
[08:28] <x-f> i called it "sentence_id"
[08:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep, got that
[08:29] <x-f> and then you use modulo on it
[08:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ahh, modulo... sounds like something I did at school a LONG time ago :-)
[08:29] <balor> In C you can leave out the == 0 'if (sentence_id % 0) { tx_link(); }'
[08:30] <balor> as 0 is true
[08:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> You're saying if the sentence ID is divisible by 10 then send the link
[08:31] <x-f> yes
[08:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[08:31] <zyp> balor, no, 0 is false
[08:31] <x-f> you can choose any other number, of course, as you wish
[08:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll see if I can work out how to include your code x-f
[08:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks balor and zyp too... I'll let you slug it out :-)
[08:32] <zyp> balor, everything but 0 is true, if(x == 0) is equivalent to if(!x)
[08:32] <eroomde> oh god this is all shit
[08:32] <eroomde> flu symptoms and headache
[08:32] <balor> zyp, d'oh...I need more coffee
[08:32] <eroomde> f off
[08:33] <daveake> And in this case, the "== 0" could be "== <any number from 0 to 9>", as it's just "every 10" that it needs to hit
[08:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> x-f: This launch is my first, just to get going. I'd like to write some code from the ground up but I'm taking it slow.
[08:33] <DL1SGP> eroomde: hope you recover quick, time for chicken soup!
[08:33] <daveake> any integer that is
[08:33] <eroomde> DL1SGP, i have no idea how long the symptoms last
[08:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Get well soon eroomde
[08:33] <eroomde> apparently you stop being dependant after 5 days or so
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[08:33] <eroomde> i should clarify as i think you misunderstood - i've given up coffee
[08:33] <x-f> G0TDJ_Steve, it's gonna be exciting :)
[08:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[08:33] <eroomde> about 36hrs since my last cup
[08:34] <eroomde> and i was a 10+ cups a day person
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[08:42] <mfa298> eroomde: is it coffee or caffeine your trying to withdraw from ?
[08:42] <eroomde> caffeine
[08:42] <eroomde> if a word you're about to mention starts with a d...
[08:42] <eroomde> dont
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[08:43] <mfa298> if it was coffee I'd have suggested having a morning drink of something else with caffeine to reduce the hit.
[08:43] <eroomde> it's caffeine i want to spend a month without
[08:43] <mfa298> but caffeine is a harder one to deal with.
[08:44] <eroomde> just to see what happens
[08:44] <eroomde> as i think it's not been doing me much good
[08:45] <mfa298> I don't think I'm as dependant on caffeine but I definetly noticed the effect when I accidentally bought a box of Tea bags with the D word on them
[08:45] <eroomde> yeah
[08:45] <eroomde> i just find myself more on edge then i used to be, especially when i don't need to be
[08:45] <eroomde> it's a bit annoying
[08:45] <eroomde> + acid reflux
[08:45] <eroomde> especially in the last 3 weeks or so
[08:46] <eroomde> and i definitely don't want an ulcer
[08:46] <balor> X
[08:46] <mfa298> maybe a better method would have been to drastically cut back the intake (just one cup in the morning) but then it's harder to resist having another one.
[08:46] <balor> wrong window :(
[08:46] <Hix> anyone got any recommendations as to decent nav software for android. needs to be a. free :) b. able to use .osm or .map from OSM
[08:47] <eroomde> indeed, but i'd rather just crash over the weekend then be rid of it
[08:47] <eroomde> i understand the come-down is only about 5 days
[08:48] <mfa298> Hix: take a look at RMaps, it's got a whole load of different map overlays (including OS and probably OSM). Not sure you can use your own map files but it's supposed to download them for offline use
[08:48] <mattbrejza> osmand is one
[08:48] <mattbrejza> i also know one with a built in rtty decoder lol
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[08:49] <Hix> cheeers mfa298 not seen RMaps, mattbrejza have you used osmand, it doesn't seem to want to use my donloaded maps
[08:49] <mfa298> that one with the built in rtty decoder might get a bit behind the times if everyone starts moving to domino
[08:50] <mattbrejza> osmand has its own map downloader
[08:50] <mattbrejza> so might have its own file format
[08:51] <mattbrejza> also domex has less advantages on flights where you chase after it
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[08:54] <jcoxon> oh RTTY won't go away
[08:54] <jcoxon> its far to easy to use
[08:54] <mattbrejza> i wasnt concerned, noone uses the app anyway :P
[08:54] <mfa298> I was just thinking it will probably continue to be the starting method for people putting their own tacker together as it's easy to understand and impliment
[08:54] <mfa298> I've used it a couple of times
[08:55] <jcoxon> domino has required custom hardware up until this point
[08:55] <jcoxon> the ntx2b might change that
[08:55] <jcoxon> but still
[08:55] <mfa298> although I think last time I tried using it it crashed a couple of times
[08:56] <mattbrejza> hmm i should really put the update with those fixes on the store...
[08:58] <mfa298> I think ntx2b is going to make implimentation of domino easier although it sounds like you either need additional hardware (dac) or more interesting code (timer/interrupt/kernel for higher specced platforms)
[08:59] <Hix> ahhh OSMAnd uses its own format https://code.google.com/p/osmand/wiki/HowToPrepareYourOwnDataToUseOffline you need to convert the .osm.pbf files
[09:06] <mattbrejza> Hix: there should be a download option from within osmand
[09:07] <Hix> yes there is, but they have a limit of 10 downloads and I reckon its easier to just use the work connection to download a shedload and convert them on pc then just transfer across
[09:15] <eroomde> jcoxon, no it hasn't
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[09:15] <eroomde> we used it with an ntx2 no problems
[09:15] <eroomde> just needed to also know the temp
[09:15] <mattbrejza> theyre for quite large areas though, the whole of the uk is just one map
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[09:21] <Hix> got it all covered downloaded OsmAndMapCreator and England.osm.pbf then let OAMC do it's thing on the map until it spits out an obf file. If anyone else is interested in using it
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[09:30] <eroomde> /join #oxford-hack-space
[09:30] <eroomde> pro IRC usage
[09:31] <Maxell> eroomde: obvious spam is obvious
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[09:31] <eroomde> except not, in this case
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[09:31] <eroomde> honest mistake
[09:35] <daveake> Typical error caused by lack of caffeine :p
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[10:07] <adamgreig> jcoxon: does the balloon have to cross the arctic circle, or just the payload?
[10:09] <UpuWork> haha
[10:10] <adamgreig> asking for a friend
[10:11] <UpuWork> kraken with a motor :)
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[10:12] <adamgreig> haha
[10:12] <craag> as long as it's balloon launched, it counts right?
[10:12] <adamgreig> not a bad idea...
[10:12] <adamgreig> craag: that's what I wanna check ;)
[10:13] <adamgreig> sorry, my friend*
[10:14] <craag> It would open it up a bit to #sealevel, changing it to be a UK-launched autonomous device of any kind.
[10:15] <adamgreig> no reason you couldn't deploy a sea based drone from a balloon ;)
[10:15] <adamgreig> I hear they make quite a splash from 30k!
[10:16] <craag> It would speed up the journey a bit, waiting for the worst wet prediction ever.
[10:17] <adamgreig> :P
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[10:17] <adamgreig> I wonder if you could do all three
[10:17] <adamgreig> balloon launch a glider that eventually hits the ocean and motors up
[10:19] <craag> Hmm. Glider isn't going to get you much further though, and with a solar panel big enough to sustain a motor, getting a decent glide ratio might be difficult.
[10:20] <craag> Solar power also means no attempts in winter.
[10:21] <chrisstubbs> adamgreig, you missed the rocket stage ;)
[10:21] <craag> haha
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[10:22] <craag> rocket motors on the sea drone I reckon, for the last 50m to the line :)
[10:24] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/585/
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[10:26] <UpuWork> I predict we have the seeds of a major international incident here
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[10:30] <jcoxon> adamgreig, umm balloon + payloa
[10:30] <jcoxon> d
[10:31] <craag> :(
[10:31] <jcoxon> sorry
[10:31] <daveake> craag, he didn't say "complete" or "inflated" :p
[10:32] <craag> haha
[10:32] <craag> jcoxon: That's what I assumed tbh.
[10:32] <jcoxon> cool running style crossing the line
[10:32] <jcoxon> to a slow clap
[10:32] <craag> yes!
[10:33] <jcoxon> ping fsphil
[10:35] <UpuWork> how is that thor going jcoxon ?
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[10:38] <jcoxon> UpuWork, have run into an issue with doing i2c in an interrupt
[10:38] <UpuWork> ah yes
[10:38] <jcoxon> managed to get something that sounded a bit like THOR11 but no decode yet
[10:39] <UpuWork> I'll see if I can code something up this weekend based on Phils code
[10:39] <Darkside> im thinking olivia may not be as hard as i thought
[10:39] <Darkside> its using hadamard transforms, which could probably be done on an AVR
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[10:44] <SP3OSJ> Hi, my hibrid balloons (tomorrow fly!): http://s12.postimg.org/nwwrtudil/image.jpg
[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> what time SP3OSJ ?
[10:45] <SP3OSJ> 6:00-8:00 gmt
[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Thanks
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[10:53] <nats`> hi
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[10:55] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[10:58] <Maxell> SP3OSJ: hybrid balloon? Latex and foil?
[10:58] <SP3OSJ> foil
[10:58] <Maxell> hmm, so a mix of He and H?
[10:58] <SP3OSJ> qualatex 18" foil
[10:59] <SP3OSJ> helium
[10:59] <SP3OSJ> only helium
[11:00] <SP3OSJ> Tomorrow look like a flight
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[11:06] <Maxell> SP3OSJ: huh, whats the "hibrid" part of it? :D
[11:10] <DL1SGP> good luck for the float SP3OSJ
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[11:34] <fsphil> pong jcoxon
[11:42] <SP3OSJ> DL1SGP: thanks
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[11:48] <OH7HJ> Tnc pic link, SP3OSJ, the balloon looks good! A combi chained and parallel balloon bunch..!
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[11:57] <DL1SGP> OH7HJ: the lady on the picture in the background of the balloons looks good too :D
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[12:06] <UpuWork> LeoBodnar how do you get the guitar string to solder ?
[12:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> They have to be nickel/tin plated strings
[12:08] <UpuWork> I must have the wrong ones
[12:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> I ordered these with Leo's advice: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350410462675?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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[12:12] <UpuWork> ta
[12:14] <DL1SGP> Hi Upu and Steve :)
[12:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi DL1SGP
[12:15] <UpuWork> hi there
[12:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> All OK with you Felix?
[12:16] <DL1SGP> yes all going fine here, as usual :-) how about you?
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[12:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> UpuWork: With x-f's help, I've made VAYU send my URL every 10th sentence: http://i.imgur.com/zjpc866.jpg
[12:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still making my first payload Felix. I'm launching it on 20th Oct if all goes well
[12:18] <craag> G0TDJ_Steve: But it has no checksum, how do we know if it's corrupted? :O
[12:18] <mattbrejza> hey UpuWork any idea whether the new ubloxes are more sensitive to being blown up while soldering?
[12:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL YOu could try going to it....
[12:18] <UpuWork> lol
[12:18] <UpuWork> I have no evidence to that
[12:19] <DL1SGP> G0TDJ_Steve: Is that the JOTA launch?
[12:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes Felix
[12:19] <eroomde> mattbrejza, we've killed one
[12:19] <eroomde> suspect it was DoA though
[12:19] <eroomde> but can't tell
[12:19] <mattbrejza> hmm yea
[12:19] <eroomde> all that had happened was it went through a normal reflow cycle
[12:19] <eroomde> that's one out of about 20 used so far
[12:20] <mattbrejza> mine occasionally gets a hint of a satellite
[12:20] <eroomde> had only about 2ohms between vcc and gnd
[12:20] <mattbrejza> but nothing more than that
[12:20] <eroomde> oh, this was dead dead
[12:20] <mattbrejza> ah
[12:20] <mattbrejza> na i was wondering if i blew the LNA or something like that
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[12:20] <eroomde> you might have twatted the input
[12:20] <DL1SGP> I will be on air, looking back at the history of being first licenced in the UK I plan to be available for a miniDX chat on some bands for scouts that exceeds the "RST+73" routines which we find so often :)
[12:20] <eroomde> yeah
[12:20] <mattbrejza> i soldered by hand rather than reflow too
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[12:20] <UpuWork> I've not had a broken one yet but I don't reflow them
[12:20] <eroomde> grounded soldering iron?
[12:21] <UpuWork> tbh they are pretty bomb proof
[12:21] <eroomde> reflowing shouldn't be a problem
[12:21] <mattbrejza> hmm not sure
[12:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> DL1SGP: That will be good. If I didn't have so much to do, I'd get on HF and try a contact :-)
[12:22] <mattbrejza> it was one of those yellow antex ones
[12:22] <eroomde> dunno about them
[12:23] <DL1SGP> G0TDJ_Steve: you will be busy with the launch, I will try to listen out for the signal of your payload... depending on how high it goes it could work, if not that is fine too, never hurts to have one of the rigs running and listening for the balloons
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[12:23] <eroomde> but blow your student loan on a nice iron :)
[12:23] <mattbrejza> i have access to really nice ones but i was impatient
[12:23] <mattbrejza> and now it doesnt work
[12:23] <mattbrejza> so very annoyed
[12:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> DL1SGP: Well at least it will be visible on the Tracker page.
[12:23] <DL1SGP> yea
[12:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> I just thought, maybe I should send the event I'm launching for with my URL...
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[12:25] <mattbrejza> looks like its gonna be a buy a new ublox job :(
[12:26] <mattbrejza> unless they are really fussy about PCB layout, but the board seems fine layout wise
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[12:28] <eroomde> might be worth posting a pic just incase
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[12:31] <mattbrejza> http://i.imgur.com/QhMRhVL.png eroomde
[12:31] <Darkside> is that a crystal under the ublox?
[12:31] <Darkside> if so those are very long traces to it
[12:32] <mattbrejza> na its a connector
[12:32] <Darkside> ok
[12:33] <eroomde> i'd have thought that should work
[12:33] <eroomde> can you probe the vcc line with a decent scope?
[12:33] <eroomde> see if it's noisy or something
[12:33] <mattbrejza> ive been comparing it to a max6 on a breakout
[12:33] <mattbrejza> and been running them both off the same supply
[12:33] <mattbrejza> i scoped it and nothing too bad
[12:34] <mattbrejza> and its been run off an LDO and the tps stepup
[12:34] <Hix> 3:10 of converting OSM data and the damn thing crashes. Arse
[12:36] <mattbrejza> the ublox reports noise level too
[12:36] <mattbrejza> the max7 one was somewhat higher than the max6 one
[12:36] <mattbrejza> which you would expect if it cant really get lock, either from the front end being sad or anything else
[12:36] <staylo> Does u-center report noise level?
[12:37] <mattbrejza> if you get it to send the right message yea
[12:37] <staylo> Hmm, I'd better look into that. Thanks :)
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[12:43] <Maxell> G0TDJ_Steve: what are your reasons to include this URL? For people decoding the data that do not know about this launch in particular?
[12:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Just a bit of publicity for my site, although I'm thinking of adding info on the event.
[12:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's for the Scout Jamboree on the Air
[12:45] <Maxell> Or a quick how-to to start uploading the data to spacenearus
[12:45] <staylo> mattbrejza: When you have time, could you give me a hint which message gives noise information? I've drawn a blank so far.
[12:45] <Maxell> :o
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[12:45] <mattbrejza> i cant remember, i was just clicking through messages
[12:45] <mattbrejza> its a ubx thingy though
[12:47] <craag> MON-HW iirc
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[12:47] <craag> staylo: ^^
[12:48] <WillDuckworth> anyone know if there was an accelerometer or gyro on the lohan / babbage flights? if so which one?
[12:49] <LeoBodnar> Upu: get the ones G0TDJ_Steve linked to, I got other plain steel and they won't solder at all
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[12:49] <staylo> craag: Thanks, good memory! mattbejza: Mystery solved, thanks :)
[12:50] <UpuWork> Yes I've noticed LeoBodnar :)
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[12:55] <DL7AD> good afternoon! :)
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[13:01] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
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[13:02] <DL1SGP> guten nachmittag sven
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[13:05] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6919236 This code works ok but when I change the time in the NMEA string to the form HHMMSS.ss, it fails very badly. I can't see why this happens
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[13:07] <DL1SGP> define: fails very badly ?
[13:07] <eroomde> 2B 0.5mm pencil leads write more pleasingly than HB pencil leads
[13:07] <ibanezmatt13> prints a load of garbage onto the screen
[13:07] <ibanezmatt13> they do eroomde
[13:07] <DL1SGP> you made sure to adjust the length on the reg-ex for the searching of the time string from 6 to new value?
[13:07] <eroomde> and for today, this counts as a vicotry
[13:08] <Lunar_LanderU> vicotry, so this is a try of a victorian science experiment?
[13:08] <Lunar_LanderU> XD
[13:08] <DL1SGP> :)
[13:08] <ibanezmatt13> well DL1SGP, I want to ignore the .ss part of the time. So no matter what way the time comes in, I want to get it in the form HHMMSS, always. Not sure why that failed
[13:09] <DL1SGP> ah ok :)
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[13:10] <ibanezmatt13> hmm
[13:13] <ibanezmatt13> Ok so the problem is that it's reading the time up to the next comma which of course is now further on than it was before due to the longer time field. So, it's overfilling the size that I specified for the buffer. I was thinking a solution would be to always read 6 characters, but I thought that's what I was already doing, hence why I'm now quite confused
[13:14] <ibanezmatt13> %6[^,] I thought the 6 meant it always read up to 6 characters
[13:15] <LeoBodnar> Re: printing lots of garbage... Have you ever caused core dump on a mainframe with a freshly loaded chain printer?
[13:15] <ibanezmatt13> probably not no :)
[13:15] <LeoBodnar> It's impressive, loud and scary
[13:15] <mfa298> from the stackoverflow message from a couple of days ago that was my understanding of what the %6[^,] did - although you might want to check the docs
[13:16] <ibanezmatt13> yea, I'll have another look
[13:16] <mfa298> LeoBodnar: extra points if you can get the chain printer to play a suitable tune :D
[13:17] <LazyLeopard> Heh. You could tell what sort of thing they were printing by the sound they made...
[13:18] <LeoBodnar> Really? They are not dot matrix
[13:18] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, "the assigning conversion specifications should be given a length to prevent buffer overflow" this is directed at the number after the % symbol. Doesn't seem to be very consistent
[13:20] <LeoBodnar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtNcawpPcfI the paper stack is about 3 feet high
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[13:22] <LazyLeopard> A friend once hit a bug that caused a program to throw a page after every character. His printout stack was about 12 feet high...
[13:22] <mfa298> DM is probably more musical but I'm sure someone suitably talented could get something from a chain printer.
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[13:22] <mfa298> might be more of a beat track though
[13:23] <LazyLeopard> Silly thing is the ops realised the printer was using lots of paper but they just kept putting a new box onm and never checked to see why it wanted so much or whether it was printing anything useful...
[13:24] <LazyLeopard> The trick would be in getting the right mix of characters to mesh with the chain...
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[13:25] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you might find it helps to capture the value returned by sscanf and display that
[13:25] <ibanezmatt13> I guess
[13:26] <mfa298> there's a nice lesson in here about what happens (or doesn't happen) when variables are defined in C
[13:26] <ibanezmatt13> But what if for some reason time comes through in one format for an hour and the other format for another hour, I'd have 1 hour of errors
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[13:27] <ibanezmatt13> I want to get the time I want from either format without fail and I can't at this moment see why the return value would help with that efficiently
[13:27] <mfa298> I'd probably write the sscanf in a way that it can handle either format and then standardise the format afterwards
[13:28] <ibanezmatt13> So if length of time is 6 leave it as it is, if it's longer than 6, strip it down?
[13:29] <mfa298> something like that. There's a few ways you could do it.
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[14:52] <Upu> ping LeoBodnar can we tidy the map up or do you want your swarm left on there ?
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[15:34] <nats`> why on the tracker there is a balloon with a different color scheme
[15:34] <nats`> the balloon is red and blue
[15:35] <DL1SGP> I do not see that one nats` where is it at?
[15:36] <LazyLeopard> That's the "landed parachute" version.
[15:36] <LazyLeopard> There's also a "descending parachute" one.
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[15:48] <nats`> oky :)
[15:49] <nats`> that's for medium and big payload ?
[15:50] <LazyLeopard> Happens with any payload that appears to have burst.
[15:50] <DL1SGP> it's for any payload that starts falling at a specific speed over a period of time I would guess
[15:51] <eroomde> i.e. anything that isn't a pico
[15:52] <eroomde> picos are not really HAB at the moment. more like MAB
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[15:53] <LazyLeopard> Picos almost never descend rapidly enough to appear to have burst, presumably.
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[15:55] <mfa298> based on what the live predictions do it looks a bit like spacenear never things pico's have gotten high enough to have burst (even when cleary decending the prediction shows a predicted busrt point)
[15:56] <nats`> thanks for explainations :)
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[16:00] <Astrobiologist> I am trying to convert the android hab modem and tracker to Blackberry 0S 10, is there anybody out there who would like to help me test this?
[16:01] <eroomde> mfa298, i beleive it is just based on ascent rate only
[16:01] <eroomde> descent rate, even
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[16:02] <craag> Astrobiologist: Are you using one of the automated tools to do it?
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[16:06] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:06] <eroomde> no
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[16:12] <DL1SGP> Welcome back Lunar_Lander
[16:12] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[16:14] <Laurenceb_> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/stm32_prices.png
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[16:27] <LeoBodnar> Upu please tidy up
[16:27] <Upu> cheers
[16:27] <Upu> not launching tonight ?
[16:27] <LeoBodnar> Upu: can you remove older SP9UOB data? It kills the browser
[16:27] <Upu> yes
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[16:28] <LeoBodnar> too much work lol
[16:29] <Upu> ok cleared down
[16:29] <Upu> about to say day off in order ? :)
[16:32] <DL1SGP> he says "too much work now" and in somewhat 3-4h we find a massive amount of stuff floating around :D
[16:32] <arko> morning
[16:32] <Astrobiologist> Craag yes, sorry for the delay in replying, an automated conversion from android to bbOS10. It says the conversion is O.K
[16:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Arko
[16:33] <Astrobiologist> Blackberry is even approving the release for their apps store
[16:33] <arko> hey hey
[16:33] <Astrobiologist> BUT! It won't run on my Q5
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[16:33] <Astrobiologist> However, this doesn't have the latest BlackBerry OS, which is 10.2
[16:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyone know who's running RTSHAB1 on Sunday?
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[16:33] <Astrobiologist> Some other recent Blackberries (Q10, Z10, Z30) do
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[16:34] <Upu> mailing list Steve
[16:34] <Upu> Christopher Atherton
[16:34] <Astrobiologist> So if anybody has one of those, I could set you up with a sandbox account on the Blackberry apps store to test it out - please!
[16:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah, cheers Upu
[16:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyone got a few mins to read a blog entry?
[16:37] <arko> aww, all the B's are gone :(
[16:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> They buzzed off....
[16:40] <arko> hehe
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[16:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Got time for a quick read arko ?
[16:42] <arko> im afraid not, as I'm at work
[16:42] <arko> possibly at lunch
[16:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh no worries Mate
[16:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
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[16:51] <mfa298> arko: nice message on the site.
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[16:52] <arko> haha
[16:52] <arko> it's all in good fun :)
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[16:57] <gb73d> I like the new Arctic Challenge, seems like Shetland is included
[16:57] <gb73d> gotta be a the nearest to artic circle
[16:58] <Astrobiologist> Gb73d, my weaselpoint exactly :-)
[16:58] <gb73d> i am tweeting the challenge
[16:59] <gb73d> ive been to shetland on a P&O mini cruise
[16:59] <gb73d> from aberdeen
[16:59] <gb73d> via orkney
[16:59] <Astrobiologist> Gb73d but does the mini cruise cost more than £100?
[17:03] <gb73d> yes
[17:03] <gb73d> it was 200-300 i cant rem
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[17:13] <gb73d> cant a quote online its Northlink Ferries now
[17:14] <gb73d> its a great idea anyway
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[18:13] <gb73d> i also admired the recent development of airborne trackin of ballons
[18:13] <gb73d> totally kool
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[18:15] <gb73d> maybe itll develop into zeppelin style maxchines
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[18:20] <gb73d> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ljp69wjjhk9xtri/FOJCFng_F9#lh:null-2013_09290074.AVI
[18:22] <gb73d> https://twitter.com/NMewsik4
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[18:32] <gb73d> my tweet feed covers HAB news too
[18:32] <gb73d> on occasion
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[19:20] <craag> Astrobiologist: I think Hab Tracker & Modem is a little more complex than most apps that are automatically converted.
[19:23] <malgar> how could I try the radio systems (dl-fldigi in particular) without sending the data to the server?
[19:23] <ibanezmatt13> operate in offline mode?
[19:23] <malgar> ibanezmatt13: ok
[19:24] <ibanezmatt13> on the toolbar go to DL Client -> then untick offline
[19:24] <ibanezmatt13> online*
[19:24] <Astrobiologist> Hi Craag, it lives!! I have managed to get a VM simulator for BlackBerry 0S 10.2 running and I can install and run HAB tracker and modem on it
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[19:25] <malgar> another question: is possible to send in the rtty string also pressure and other environmental data? are they supported by the server? how to manage them?
[19:25] <Astrobiologist> The newer versions of BlackBerry 10 seem to have in-built android anyway, it's just not made obvious
[19:25] <mfa298> malgar: you can send any data you want.
[19:26] <Astrobiologist> Although I still need someone on an actual 10.2 BlackBerry to test it
[19:26] <mfa298> when you create a payload document you specify what each field is
[19:26] <malgar> mfa298: perfect
[19:28] <malgar> what kind of environmental sensor could be interesting? I was searching for CO2 sensors but specs said that low pressure could be a problem
[19:28] <craag> Oh yeah isn't Blackberry OS just skinned Android now? :P
[19:28] <Astrobiologist> What is the equiette for testing things with spacenear.us? I'd like to try connecting to it using the Blackberry port of Matt's android app that I'm working on
[19:28] <malgar> ozone, geiger counter?
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[19:29] <Astrobiologist> Craag no I don't think so, amongst other things I had to load their SDK. I imagine a lot of the apps are converted Android but there is still a comprehensive QNX environment
[19:29] <craag> Astrobiologist: Just go ahead, as long as there's no active flight on.
[19:30] <craag> I was joking!
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[19:40] <Astrobiologist> I'm going to try a opening the ukhas mobile tracker on my iPad to see what that does to compare, again please tell me not to if it is a bad idea
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[19:41] <mfa298> Astrobiologist: the only time to be careful about testing stuff is if there's an active flight
[19:41] <mfa298> at the moment it looks like a few people are testing things
[19:42] <Astrobiologist> I don't see anything younger than about 7pm in our neck of the woods, so I'll give it a whirl
[19:46] <Astrobiologist> Guys, the UKHAS habitat mobile tracker won't work on my iPad. None of the slide switches work. I think it isn't iOS7 compatible?
[19:47] <Astrobiologist> Adam's HABHUB iOS app won't load either. It doesn't seem to exist in the appstore
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[19:57] <Astrobiologist> If there are no balloons in flight, what should I expect to see in Matt's android app?
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[20:03] <craag> Astrobiologist: Nothing until you add a payload to the map
[20:04] <craag> But add B-18 for the last 7 days and you should see (after it fetches the data) a trace appear on the map.
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[20:07] <Astrobiologist> Thanks Craag, yes it liked that. Got the habitat mobile tracker to work too
[20:09] <craag> Matt's app is designed to work with the worst connections (often experienced in the final stages of a chase) so only downloads the telemetry for one payload, and by default only checks for updates every couple of minutes.
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[20:12] <Astrobiologist> How do I get my chase car off the map? I don't think the blackberry is sending this, it's from when I got the habitat tracker working
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[20:12] <craag> Don't worry about it, it'll be wiped (along with other people's testing) before the next launch.
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[20:14] <Astrobiologist> Interestingly though, at one point it was not just showing a chase car, but a receiving station
[20:15] <Astrobiologist> And presumably that could only have come from Matt's app?
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[20:17] <Astrobiologist> Does Matt's app check for proper callsigns?
[20:18] <Astrobiologist> To begin with I was testing it with M6ODP, but then I changed this to "black" because I was using M6ODP with the habitat tracker
[20:18] <craag> Callsign can be anything you want
[20:19] <craag> Charlie
[20:19] <craag> Hot Dog
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[20:19] <Astrobiologist> What is the refresh time?
[20:19] <craag> Tuna
[20:19] <craag> etc
[20:19] <craag> for what?
[20:19] <Astrobiologist> Because the habitat tracker couldn't have shown a receiving station for me, only a chase car - is that right?
[20:20] <Astrobiologist> The refresh time for matt's app to show a change of callsign
[20:20] <craag> Have you enabled the switch in Matt's app to report position?
[20:20] <craag> Probably only every 2 minutes or so
[20:21] <Astrobiologist> Yes, the switch was turned on, but I've turned the VM off now (almost time for ocado!)
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> craag, Tuna would be an awesome balloon callsign xD
[20:23] <craag> Tune-a up to that balloon signal!
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> Buying balloons at Subway
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[20:32] <HA6NN> Good evening all :)
[20:33] <HA6NN> Does anyone know about the right frequency of SP9OSJ? Is it 437600 or 437700 kHZ?
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[20:42] <LeoBodnar> Tuna is drifting
[20:42] <x-f> HA6NN, it has always been .7 for him, i doubt he has changed it
[20:43] <fsphil> tuna?
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[20:43] <x-f> HA6NN, you're a bit far from him, he is launching from the north of Poland
[20:44] <x-f> of course, it's a floater so there's always a hope..
[20:44] <x-f> or tuna
[20:46] <fsphil> is there something fishy going on?
[20:46] <craag> there cod be..
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[20:47] <craag> or we might just be talking pollocks
[20:47] <mfa298> this seems to be the plaice for puns tonight
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[20:48] <mattbrejza> yea Astrobiologist the app doesnt show you as a rx station
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[20:57] <Astrobiologist> Hello mattbrejza, right now on spacenear.us I can see a blue chase car M6odp_chase and overlaid with it an antenna symbol, M6odp. Radio: Unknown Antenna: Unknown
[21:00] <mattbrejza> oh it shows up as a antenna now
[21:00] <mfa298> and a nice precise time since last contact: 0.914690277775 hours
[21:01] <Astrobiologist> Mattbrejza, I assume the habitat mobile tracker can only possibly produce a chase car icon.
[21:01] <mattbrejza> mm not sure
[21:02] <Astrobiologist> Therefore that rx station can only possibly have come from when I was testing the BlackBerry 0S 10 port of your excellent Android app
[21:02] <Astrobiologist> In which case we have a pulse!
[21:02] <Astrobiologist> Recap: The BlackBerry port of the android app works on BlackBerry 10.2 only
[21:03] <Astrobiologist> Which isn't available for real BlackBerry phones yet except the Z30
[21:03] <mattbrejza> oh right
[21:03] <Astrobiologist> So not very useful but testable in the BlackBerry SDK and on Blackberry VMs
[21:03] <Astrobiologist> But my wife is on the Mac with the VM right now!
[21:04] <f5vnf> \nick f5vnf_
[21:04] Nick change: f5vnf -> f5vnf_
[21:04] <Astrobiologist> When I had it fired up earlier, it seemed to work, and I presume that is where the RX station came from
[21:05] <mattbrejza> well did you also enable any other chasecar thing?
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[21:06] <Astrobiologist> To begin with it didn't seem to work so I tried the habitat mobile tracker as well
[21:07] <Astrobiologist> I will turn the latter on again. If that is creating an antenna icon, the time-since-last-transmission should update
[21:08] <mattbrejza> well im not sure about the antenna symbol but the car should move and the time update
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[21:11] <Astrobiologist> Ah hang on, the habitat tracker has a "chase car equipped with radio receiver" option. Maybe that just superimpose an antenna symbol to indicate the chase car has a receiver on board
[21:11] <Astrobiologist> :-(
[21:12] <Astrobiologist> Anyway, I've turned the chase car back on
[21:12] <Astrobiologist> I'll come back in ten minutes to have a look and see if the time updates
[21:13] <Astrobiologist> Then I'll try turning the "chase car equipped with radio receiver" option on and see what happens
[21:13] <Astrobiologist> N.b the habitat mobile tracker doesn't work in Safari on iOS7 but it does in Atomic web browser
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[21:16] <mattbrejza> have you managed to get a map and stuff?
[21:16] <mattbrejza> im fairly sure it says when its uploading in the log
[21:16] <mattbrejza> havnt touched it in a while lol
[21:17] <Astrobiologist> Bother, the antenna and the car are both updating simultaneously... so the habitat mobile tracker generates both (even with "chase car equipped with radio receiver" not selected)
[21:18] <Astrobiologist> As for the blackberry port: Yes, the map loads. Yes, I can load a balloon track, and see graphs. Yes,
[21:18] <Astrobiologist> I can see the log updating and even see if accessing the mic
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[21:18] <Astrobiologist> If the wife has stopped looking at taiwanese game shows, I might try it again later
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[21:19] <mattbrejza> well tahts a start at least :)
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[21:33] <HA6NN> x-f: Hello, Are you around?
[21:33] <x-f> hi, HA6NN
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[21:35] <HA6NN> Hi, You know I have just switched off SatPC32 when my FT-847 went to 437600 where I heard a strong signal, simillar to SP9UOB's. I do not know what it was...
[21:36] <Astrobiologist> O.K, I've turned the habitat tracker off now so the m6odp chase car and antenna should both "age" simultaneously
[21:36] <Astrobiologist> I might try the Blackberry port-over on a VM again, with a different callsign
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[21:39] <x-f> HA6NN, perhaps another satellite or something else? no know balloons are currently on air, all that were around there ran out of power
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[22:06] <HA6NN> x-f: I can see a balloon around Warsaw and a callsign SQ9ATC. Please tak a look at it!
[22:06] <HA6NN> eee take...
[22:07] <x-f> HA6NN, he's just testing
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[22:09] <x-f> SP3OSJ will launch tomorrow around 6 UTC, no other flights are scheduled
[22:09] <x-f> for now at least
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[22:10] <HA6NN> x-f May I know the frequency and start time of it? In dl-fldigi there is still SP9OSJ/08 can be found...
[22:10] <HA6NN> x-f: Tnak you so much!
[22:11] <x-f> 437.7 MHz
[22:11] <x-f> 6 UTC
[22:11] <x-f> but he is on the far side of Poland, don't rush :)
[22:11] <HA6NN> x-f RRRR CUL TMW 73 GN
[22:11] <x-f> good night
[22:12] <HA6NN> Good night!
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[22:16] <Astrobiologist> I have left the BlackBerry 0S10 port of the android app running for a while, but I can't see the callsign on spacenear.us
[22:16] <Astrobiologist> Does that mean
[22:17] <Astrobiologist> It isn't working? Or does it have to have valid decodes coming in to show up?
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[22:18] <Astrobiologist> The callsign is the default one, CALLSIGN123
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[22:19] <DL1SGP> try something else as callsign, I could imagine that it won't be shown for settings not having been made
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[22:20] <WillTablet> Hi
[22:20] <Astrobiologist> Changed it to "lugosi", still can't see anything?
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[22:21] <DL1SGP> where would you be located at?
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[22:22] <Astrobiologist> London. I'm not seeing any icons on the map - is that normal for the android app?
[22:22] <Astrobiologist> But the map works O.K, I can see the track of B-18, and it's altitude graphs etc
[22:22] <DL1SGP> B-18 should not be on the map any more
[22:22] <Astrobiologist> So it's taking data from habitat O.K - but is it writing anything back?
[22:23] <DL1SGP> the map has been cleaned, so umm...
[22:23] <DL1SGP> you might be having old data
[22:23] <Astrobiologist> The data for past balloon flights is still available apparently and can be reloaded
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[22:23] <Astrobiologist> That's what was suggested to me to try
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[22:23] <DL1SGP> ah ok
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[22:24] <DL1SGP> have not messed with the android app yet so guess I cannot help you
[22:24] <DL1SGP> will have a look at it tomorrow, and if nobody else fixed you until then we will see
[22:25] <Astrobiologist> And I am messing with a BlackBerry OS 10 port of the android app running as a VM on a Mac!!
[22:25] <Astrobiologist> Any advice on what the native android app does would be very gratefully received
[22:26] <DL1SGP> yeah as aforementioned, that would be tomorrow... heading to bed now, another packed day coming up tomorrow but I gonna look into it in one of the coffee breaks :D
[22:27] <Astrobiologist> Many many thanks
[22:27] <Astrobiologist> This could be a lifesaver for the huge hidden masses of hab users who have blackberries running the as-yet-to-be-released os10.2
[22:27] <DL1SGP> hey you are welcome, wanted to test the android version on tablet anyhow
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[22:28] <Astrobiologist> (that was intentional sarcasm ;-)
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[22:28] Action: DL1SGP is not biggest fan of blackberrys
[22:28] <Astrobiologist> But I have a blackberry so it seemed worth a go, any comparisons to real android very much appreciated
[22:28] <DL1SGP> yeah lol
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[22:29] <Astrobiologist> The OS10 is pretty good, pity they're probably going to go bust now
[22:29] <DL1SGP> you could get an android sdk and possibly install the apk to the virtual android
[22:29] <DL1SGP> :P
[22:29] <Astrobiologist> Yes and yes, already done, you need both to do the porting to BlackBerry os10
[22:29] <Astrobiologist> I think there is a built in android runtime in OS10 anyway
[22:30] <mattbrejza> enabling chasecar should show up on habitat
[22:30] <DL1SGP> so no blimey results on testing through virtualized android version and still need infos from the real thing I guess?
[22:30] <mattbrejza> otherwise decode some payloads
[22:30] <DL1SGP> good evening mattbrejza
[22:32] <Astrobiologist> Come to think of it the android SDK is on my mac at work, not my home one
[22:33] <Astrobiologist> Thanks mattbrejza. Would attempts by the app to write its position to habitat show up in the log?
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[22:34] <mattbrejza> erm not sure
[22:34] <Astrobiologist> Should I be able to see other chase cars and receiving stations on the map in the app?
[22:36] <mattbrejza> na it only gets balloons
[22:38] <Astrobiologist> Should I be able to see a symbol for myself on the map?
[22:39] <mattbrejza> in the app when it has gps lock it shows your position
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[22:42] <Astrobiologist> The map shows roughly the right area of london
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[22:43] <mattbrejza> well when the device has its position it shows a little antenna symbol on the map
[22:43] <Astrobiologist> But it's in a VM simulation so whether the VM "thinks" it has a gps lock...
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[22:43] <mattbrejza> well if the vm has no idea where it is youre not gonna get much :P
[22:44] <Astrobiologist> The symbol isn't there. You can set the VM from an outside controller (set a location, make a pretend call etc) to test your apps
[22:45] <Astrobiologist> But perhaps all you're setting is a grid reference, basically, and the controller isn't actually simulating gps co-ords?
[22:45] <mattbrejza> yea not sure, might just have to wait for a real device for that one
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[22:47] <Astrobiologist> Yes, all to play for :-). BlackBerry OS 10.2 *should* be rolled out later this month
[22:47] <Astrobiologist> I don't think I'm going to bust a gut working out why it doesn't work on earlier versions...
[22:48] <Laurenceb__> http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/36694/1381506130/biggerhead.gif
[22:49] <mattbrejza> yea probably not worth it
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[22:57] <Astrobiologist> The Blackberry Maps app in the VM thinks it's in Canada!! Epic fail there
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[23:08] <Astrobiologist> Night night all
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[23:36] <nats`> fpga as high speed differential comparator is working :)
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> Woo.
[23:40] Action: SpeedEvil was idly wondering earlier about SATA->DDR
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[23:41] <nats`> uhhmm I saw a project like that many time ago
[23:41] <nats`> before SSD
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> I gave up after I found the sticker price for FPGAs that can do 6Gbps
[23:41] <nats`> a DDR harddrive
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> nats`: What FPGA?
[23:42] <nats`> IIRC that was spartan3e
[23:42] <nats`> and DDR 1
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> I mean - what FPGA with you
[23:43] <nats`> how I have many here
[23:43] <nats`> for that project spartan3e
[23:43] <nats`> I'll switch to V5 if it's needed
[23:44] <nats`> http://imgur.com/ukQswiy
[23:45] <nats`> the output is not loaded so wonderfull ringing everywhere :)
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[23:56] <WillTablet> What do FPGAs and ASICs do aside from mining bitcoins?
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[23:58] <nats`> the real question is why the hell we use fpga and asic to mine bitcoin -_-
[23:58] <oh2kku> because you can make big ¬¬¬¬ with them, why else?
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