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[00:00] <F6AGV> ma maison est sur le terrain en 50.862 et 1.878
[00:00] <F6AGV> JO00WU
[00:01] <F6AGV> What is your location G8APZ ?
[00:01] <G8APZ> JO01DO
[00:01] <F6AGV> QTH ?
[00:01] <G8APZ> en France IN95OL
[00:02] <F6AGV> Ah ? et vous captez les ballons avec DL-FLDIGI ?
[00:03] <G8APZ> Oui... quelques fois... en IN95 @ 750km
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[00:04] <F6AGV> OK, I try to start an association in France for HAB but very difficult
[00:04] <G8APZ> QTH brentwood, Essex, UK
[00:05] <F6AGV> I was in visit to the last UKHAS conference in Greenwich !
[00:05] <G8APZ> France is bigger.. but not so many enthusiasts
[00:06] <F6AGV> Yes is true
[00:06] <DL7AD> heee......
[00:06] <F6AGV> espoir fait vivre ?
[00:06] <DL7AD> what happened to B-17????
[00:07] <G8APZ> we are a strange nation!
[00:07] <F6AGV> B-17 is up again !
[00:07] <DL7AD> :D rofl
[00:07] <DL7AD> detached from the trees
[00:07] <F6AGV> ice on enveloppe perhaps ?
[00:08] <DL7AD> yes definetly
[00:08] <G8APZ> B-17 rested and took off into the sky
[00:08] <F6AGV> very incredible flight indeed !
[00:09] <KT5TK> B-17 is seriously going up to float altitudes...
[00:09] <F6AGV> if you want to mail me: f6agv on free.fr
[00:09] <arko> i cant hear it :(
[00:10] <arko> damn this global tuner antenna
[00:10] <F6AGV> B-16 is on 13.553 MHz
[00:11] <arko> oh oops
[00:11] <arko> im looking for B-17
[00:11] <enkidu> DL7AD: you scared it
[00:12] <arko> 6k?
[00:12] <F6AGV> B-17 is 434.500
[00:12] <G8APZ> 10mW on HF... you need a very quiet QTH
[00:12] <arko> right
[00:12] <arko> i doubt i'll hear it on this global tuner
[00:12] <KT5TK> http://websdr.oh2lak.net:8901/
[00:12] <DL7AD> stupid time!
[00:13] <DL7AD> impossible to imform persons
[00:13] <DL7AD> at this time
[00:13] <arko> KT5TK: is that working?
[00:13] <KT5TK> I hear beeps
[00:13] <KT5TK> no decodes yet
[00:14] <DL7AD> good morning KT5TK
[00:15] <arko> KT5TK: this is awesome
[00:16] <KT5TK> evening DL7AD
[00:17] <F6AGV> good night my friends, follow B-17 this morning about 9 o'clock
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[00:18] <arko> ok
[00:18] <arko> got my setup working at my lecture hall
[00:18] <arko> this lecture is boring anyway
[00:19] <arko> rather try tuning to habs in other countries
[00:20] <DL7AD> already warned some hams in finland.
[00:20] <arko> how wide is the signal?
[00:21] <DL7AD> around 200...300hz
[00:21] <arko> hmm
[00:22] <KT5TK> well, the beeps are just cw
[00:22] <arko> damn it
[00:22] <KT5TK> maybe 20 Hz
[00:22] <arko> KT5TK: how are we both tuning it?
[00:23] <KT5TK> No need to tune.
[00:23] <KT5TK> But you can simply click with your mouse on the waterfall
[00:23] <arko> hmmm
[00:23] <arko> ok
[00:23] <KT5TK> actually below the waterfall
[00:24] <arko> right but no one has changed it
[00:24] <arko> its on b-17 balloon
[00:24] <KT5TK> yes, because all users are listening for B-17
[00:24] <arko> hahah
[00:24] <arko> got it
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[00:26] <arko> im not sure where to put the marker
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[00:31] <DL7AD> u.o its descending again....
[00:31] <arko> ah bugger
[00:31] <arko> i cant seem to decode it/ hear it
[00:31] <SpeedEvil> np: Here comes the rain again.
[00:32] <arko> DL7AD: where do i put the two red lines?
[00:32] <enkidu> DL7AD: rainfall I believe
[00:32] <enkidu> got it on radar
[00:32] <DL7AD> rain is the problem. before we knew the exact landing spot. if it will land now, nobody will know exatcly
[00:33] <DL7AD> arko: 2 red lines? this is dominoEX16 not RTTY
[00:33] <DL7AD> arko: check your mode settings
[00:33] <arko> sorry im not too familiar with dominoEX16
[00:33] <arko> i hit auto config
[00:33] <DL7AD> yes
[00:33] <arko> so these two red lines dont matter?
[00:33] <DL7AD> with b-17 in the dropbx?
[00:34] <arko> yes
[00:34] <DL7AD> okay. you will get 2 yellow lines and.... second
[00:34] <DL7AD> no
[00:34] <DL7AD> you are right
[00:35] <DL7AD> do your hear the beep?
[00:35] <arko> nope
[00:35] <DL7AD> you have to click on the beep that both red lines have the same distance to the center of the signal
[00:36] <DL7AD> the red lines represent the edge of the signal
[00:36] <arko> i dont really have a signal
[00:36] <DL7AD> thats the same problem to me here :P
[00:37] <DL7AD> rofl i was kidding
[00:37] <enkidu> If only I had my antenna on roof already...
[00:37] <DL7AD> arko? where are you located?
[00:37] <enkidu> over sea refraction is so useful
[00:37] <arko> los angeles
[00:37] <arko> but im on a global tuner
[00:38] <DL7AD> arko: eh okay. that one from helsinki?
[00:38] <arko> http://websdr.oh2lak.net:8901/
[00:38] <arko> er i mean that
[00:38] <DL7AD> ah okay....
[00:38] <DL7AD> all right...
[00:40] <DL7AD> the balloon will not come far, because we have light rain there
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[00:44] <arko> is it continuously transmitting?
[00:46] <DL7AD> no
[00:46] <DL7AD> its transmitting 2 packets every 5 minutes
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[00:55] <arko> haha!
[00:55] <arko> i see it!
[00:55] <arko> hello B-17!
[00:55] <arko> you are blurry
[01:07] <enkidu> and now it will land again...
[01:13] <DL7AD> just wait for another 3 hours and it will lift again :D
[01:15] <arko> i dont see it transmitting anymore
[01:15] <arko> :(
[01:15] <arko> i couldnt get a good decode
[01:15] <DL7AD> me too
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[01:18] <enkidu> so many lakes... worst path ever
[01:21] <DL7AD> every path is bad in finland ;)
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[02:07] <DL7AD_> blub
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[02:15] <enkidu> bleh
[02:15] <enkidu> 5 hours till math lessons
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[03:45] <tr0lli> what an amazing morning
[03:48] <tr0lli> unfortunate some of us need to sleep their nights away :-(
[03:53] <tr0lli> crap, server windows decided to reboot after midnight :-(
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[04:01] <tr0lli> with plenty of aurora borealis last night too
[04:01] <tr0lli> http://www.sgo.fi/Data/RealTime/Kuvat/sodKEO.jpg
[04:01] <tr0lli> solar eruption, magnetic storm etc.
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[04:31] <oh1jcs> Well, no rescue mission for me. It flew away.. Bye, bye B-17.
[04:32] <arko> its both sad and cool
[04:40] <oh1jcs> Off to work, Drop the next one closer and I'll get it for you. :-)
[04:40] <det__> nice to see how B-17 recovered (defrosted) on the small island - jumping up and down - and then continued its journey during the night...
[04:42] <det__> oh1jcs tnx for tracking. have a nice day. Detlef
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[04:44] <Hes> Gosh, B-17 is close.
[04:45] <Hes> Well within retrieval distance from Helsinki.
[04:45] <Hes> Weather is not good, cloudy, raining.
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[04:50] <Hes> oh1jcs: Hi Jöjje, long time no see! - OH7LZB
[04:51] <oh1jcs> lzb, hi Hessu, been s while.
[04:56] <Hes> Is B-17 likely to be transmitting tonight?
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[05:05] <OH1MN> B-17 has continued its travel, but seems out of reach from my qth..
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[05:13] <oh1eez> what? B-17 is still flying :)
[05:15] <tr0lli> haven't heard a beep since i started listening at 0300 utc
[05:19] <OH1MN> last rxed by my rx at 0054UTC... If its shifted freq little then might not decode properly...
[05:20] <OH1MN> seems I have one rxed after 0054 ====> B-17,786,005902,131009,60.5057,23.5212,1002,7,5,3.83,0*e698
[05:21] <OH1MN> but not 100% good so has not uploaded...
[05:22] <OH1MN> oh1eez. Hi and gm... looks like someone else needs to find it then Jöjje OH1JCS... :)
[05:24] <oh3kav> gm, i left rx on but not anything meaningful decoded....
[05:24] <oh3kav> only vertical antenna, though
[05:26] <OH1MN> gm oh3kav, here also vertical, dualband at 9m agl. view to 15km horisont almost 360° but nothing since 0059UTC...sadly.
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[05:29] <oh1eez> Where is B-16?
[05:29] <oh3kav> somewhere in russia?
[05:30] <oh3kav> i have been listening also 13.553, but nothing there either...
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[05:44] <Upu> nice
[05:44] <Upu> took back off again
[05:44] <Upu> how does that happen ? :)
[05:45] <OH1MN> Upu: gone with the wind I suppose...
[05:45] <Upu> yeah but it either has lift or it doesn't
[05:45] <Upu> unless it was iced
[05:45] <Upu> interesting someone needs to pick it up now
[05:45] <Upu> see if its still in the air
[05:46] <OH1MN> monor storm here in OH.. Maybe came down due rain ... up agn when rain stopped with winds
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[05:46] <OH1MN> sadly last report 0059UTC... at 1,2km...
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[05:47] <Upu> very wierd
[05:47] <Upu> oh well :)
[05:47] <oh1eez> current weather at near last known position http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/salo
[05:50] <jcoxon> we lost it again?
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[05:51] <arko> looks like it
[05:53] <jcoxon> the joys of pico balloons
[05:54] <jcoxon> there were thoughts early on of having something on a line a tht the bottom of the payload
[05:54] <eroomde_> sugar?
[05:54] <jcoxon> well there is that approach
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[05:55] <jcoxon> but also just some polystyrene to stop the whole thing landing and allow it to take off in the morning
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[05:56] <eroomde_> ah righty
[05:56] <jcoxon> work time
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[05:57] <eroomde_> anticosical o'clock for worktime
[05:58] <OH7JG> put fishing hook at bottom of pico balloon
[05:59] <eroomde_> i recall the spirit of knoxville balloons would hit the sea, hang there for a bitm then carry on up
[06:00] <eroomde_> we always talked about the hypothetical block of sugar on the bottom that would dissolve into the sea if it came down and reduce the mass
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[06:11] <Vostok> wtf, B-17 is carrying on
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[06:35] <prefix> what is this
[06:35] <Vostok> the balloons need an anchor so they stay still in trees
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[06:36] <x-f> they are meant to fly!
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[06:38] <fsphil> ah, it came back down again. weird
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[07:01] <DL1SGP> good morning!
[07:02] <DL1SGP> another sweet morning walk with successful harvest http://i.imgur.com/LcyZGxh.jpg and now it is time for breakfast
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[07:26] <LeoBodnar> mornings!
[07:26] <x-f> morning
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[07:26] <fsphil> morn
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[07:29] <OH1MN> LeoBodnar: good morning...B-17 took off again but lost track of it at 0059UTC...
[07:29] <x-f> i wonder why the signal was lost at that altitude, it had at least two listeners
[07:30] <LeoBodnar> OH1MN: good job! :) looks like it went into the rain again
[07:31] <OH1MN> Yep and rain continued this morning heavy but stopping... hope its still alive somewhere and we might be able to recover it when comes on air again
[07:33] <oh3kav> OH3NE seems to have received at least one msg at 00:20 UTC.
[07:33] <LZ1CLA> Morning guys
[07:33] <Hix> G'day
[07:35] <LZ1CLA> I am starting my project with arduino and RFM22B. Which digital mode will you propose for Balloon tracking?
[07:36] <OH1MN> Last packet from B-17 B-17,786,005902,131009,60.5057,23.5212,1002,7,5,3.83,0*e698
[07:36] <UpuWork> RTTY
[07:36] <LeoBodnar> I have noticed that oh3kav - that was quite a distance away
[07:38] <oh3kav> oh3ne has better hilltop qth and better antennas than I do. I did not hear a thing.
[07:38] <LeoBodnar> I've uploaded this last point
[07:39] <LZ1CLA> ok, RTTY will be :)
[07:39] <fsphil> rtty is by far the simplest, and works surprisingly well
[07:40] <Hix> todays work is brought to you by the words empirical and no datasheets
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[07:44] <DL1SGP> hi all that came in recently
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[07:46] <DL1SGP> B-17 wanted to make it more comfortable for our Finnish friends an avoid that they have to swim :)
[07:47] <fsphil> it likes to be near people
[07:47] <Hix> I thought the Finns loved nothing more than jumping into a forzen lake
[07:47] <LeoBodnar> I thought it was pining for the fjords but no
[07:48] <Hix> apart from Salmiakki
[07:48] <Hes> It might be sleeping with the fishes, however
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[07:48] <LeoBodnar> Hopefully nobody was planning to recover it from the island just yet
[07:49] <DL1SGP> Salmiakka rules!
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[07:50] <LeoBodnar> OK, coffee time alarm
[07:50] <DL1SGP> enjoy, gonna get a mug myself :)
[07:50] <fsphil> you caffine addicts you :)
[07:50] <oh1eez> It is lounch time at OH-land.
[07:51] <OH1MN> Jyrki, lunch... not yet.. 0900utc...1200local...
[07:52] <LZ1CLA> Masala tea for me :)
[07:52] <LeoBodnar> Is there such a thing as an early lunch?
[07:52] <oh1eez> to Kebab nomnomnom :)
[07:52] <fsphil> breakfast
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[08:00] <Hix> Tanveer has just rocked up at work. With homemade ssamosas, pakoras and bhagis. For breakfast. WIN!
[08:00] <Hix> for everyone too
[08:00] <fsphil> bhagis?
[08:01] <Hix> http://goo.gl/hnsPRk
[08:02] <Hix> om nom nom nom. Takes the pain of the team meeting away
[08:02] <Hix> my spelling error
[08:03] <Vostok> hmph. bad B-17
[08:03] <Vostok> should have at least announced intentions to land
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> Ninja balloons don't talk much
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[08:14] <OH1MN> LeoBodnar: any site were there is audio / spectrum view of DominoEX16 signal? one OH3 guy is asking, had heard something this morning, but fldigi didnt decode...
[08:15] <fsphil> http://hfradio.org.uk/html/digital_modes.html
[08:15] <gonzo_> i think the hab version of fl-digi is installed with the standard version. So they should be able to use that to generate some example audio
[08:15] <fsphil> this has a sample of a lot of modes
[08:16] <LeoBodnar> OH1MN: if you click T/R button button in dl-fldigi bottom right corner it will start transmitting on the speaker
[08:16] <fsphil> just be careful if the radio is under computer control, it will actually transmit
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[08:19] <gonzo_> that is true. Though it's always good procatiec to have some manual enable switch or similar for tX
[08:19] <gonzo_> btw phil, does the std and hab versions of fldigi share a common ini/registry settings?
[08:20] <gonzo_> does=do
[08:20] <fsphil> they do
[08:20] <fsphil> well
[08:20] <fsphil> the hab/nonhab mode of dl-fldigi do
[08:20] <fsphil> native fldigi does not
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[08:45] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: ping!
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[08:48] <G8APZ> Why is there no B-16 and B-17 on the spacenear map? B-16 was in flight yesterday and B-17 took off again early this morning
[08:49] <GMT> you could try a refresh ... both showing on my map
[08:49] <G8APZ> yes... I can see them now but in UK!!!!
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[08:50] <G8APZ> I'm getting a javascript error
[08:51] <mfa298_> G8APZ: which browser are you using ? some have been known to not work well
[08:51] <GMT> really!?, I've just refreshed my map, B17 shown near Helsinki, B16 in Baltic
[08:51] <G8APZ> FF
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[08:51] <mfa298_> FF has generally been fine afik
[08:52] <mfa298_> I'm seeing them in the right place with FF
[08:52] <G8APZ> Script: http://spacenear.us/tracker/js/tracker.js.php?filter=:935
[08:52] <fsphil> ok here, latest FF
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[08:54] <mfa298_> I think most of the issues people have reported recently are older IE versions and odd instances of Opera/Chrome
[08:54] <G8APZ> yes latest one here too.... reloaded FF totally... now OK
[08:54] <mfa298_> you could try habhub.org/mt
[08:54] <G8APZ> IE all versions are crap!!
[08:55] <OH1MN> GMT: well halfway from Turku to Helsinki... at 1km altitude...0059utc... last heard.
[08:55] <mfa298_> The only benefit to having IE10 working is that those with XBoxes can put them to good use displaying the spacenear.us map
[08:56] <G8APZ> On a website I run, I refuse to cater for IE quirks... if the HTML passes the W3C checks and the CSS does too, then sod IE if it cannot cope!!
[08:57] <G8APZ> IE uses so many non standard things... it is a pain
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[08:57] <mfa298_> I think IE9/IE10 are supposed to be better although it's been a while since I've written any real web code.
[08:58] <mfa298_> I'd want to get functionality working from IE but don't always care about how it looks.
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[08:59] <G8APZ> trouble is that if you use IE non standard things all other browsers have problems!
[09:00] <G8APZ> anyway, back to B-17 - it hasn't been heard since I saw it last night take off and run!
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[09:00] <craag> <!--[if lte IE 8]><link rel="stylesheet" href="css/quirks-ie.css" /><![endif]-->
[09:01] <G8APZ> I wonder if the OH trackers are out looking for it on the island!!
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[09:02] <G8APZ> craag - I don't use any js tests for browsers! If IE can't cope use a better one!!
[09:03] <craag> Yeah, wish I had that luxury :/
[09:03] <mfa298_> I see no JS there.
[09:03] <G8APZ> craag: I'm rather stuck on the mapping v3 API though.... my js shows an error in lint and on web developer tool in FF but I cannot for the life of me debug it!
[09:04] <craag> G8APZ: Catch me another time and I might be able to help you out.
[09:04] <G8APZ> mfa298 yes sorry... too early in the day!
[09:05] <G8APZ> craag: I'd like some help for sure!! perhaps I could email you the PHP generated script... I create an array from database using push
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[09:22] <nats`> hi
[09:22] <eroomde> bonjour nats`
[09:22] <DL1SGP> hi nats`
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[09:39] <Laurenceb> what the hell
[09:39] <Laurenceb> B-17 relaunched?
[09:39] <DL1SGP> ja
[09:40] <Laurenceb> haha
[09:40] <DL1SGP> it went up again
[09:40] <Laurenceb> but then down :-/
[09:40] <DL1SGP> maybe sneaky ninja squirrels freed it from the tree
[09:40] <daveake> It was Finisshed
[09:40] <daveake> wasn't
[09:40] <daveake> dammit
[09:42] Nick change: SpeedEvil_ -> SpeedEvil
[09:42] <DL1SGP> hehe daveake
[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just because I plotted the flight path at about 11 oclock last night it then jumped up again! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-17_20131007/flight%20profile%20@%2020131091042.jpg
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[09:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was raining again apparently at the possible landing site so it might take-off again!
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[09:57] <OH1MN> Small rains here in Finland so hopes are up when we get a break, B-17 will start again...
[09:57] <oh3kav> Seems that it will be raining 'til Friday...
[09:58] <OH1MN> sadly looks bad for today: http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/saa/salo
[09:58] <OH1MN> better ahead in Karkkila http://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/saa/karkkila
[09:59] <oh1jcs> Turned my antenna east when it went for it. Too bad I restarted the sw this morning, didn´t save the text window. :(
[10:00] <DL1SGP> you still did a great job oh1jcs
[10:00] <OH1MN> Well good that you didnt plan this day off work to retrive it :)
[10:00] <LeoBodnar> no problem oh1jcs you have helped a lot already!
[10:02] <oh1jcs> lol.. it woke me up with an 59+20 signal when it jumped back into the air. Had volume turned down but was enough to wake me. :)
[10:02] <OH1MN> If it picks up again, then me and OH2BUF, OH2LKV will hopefully catch it.
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[10:02] <OH1MN> JCS: hehe thats like monitoring DX freq for that first possible qso :)
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13> Has B-17 been recovered?]
[10:04] <oh1jcs> 1mn, yep.. have not had wsjt on 2m monitoring for a long time. Was the same when MS picked up.
[10:05] <OH1MN> ibanezmatt13: no still missing, last report it was 1000m altitude... after starting again from last evenings tuochdown...
[10:05] <ibanezmatt13> starting again?
[10:06] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, squirrels re-launched it
[10:06] <ibanezmatt13> nice! :)
[10:07] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> Expelled by the locals...
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[10:08] <ibanezmatt13> I'm trying to use the sscanf function to get the sentence identifier and time from a string and store into variables, not sure what I'm doing wrong here but I am a C novice. https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125 Would appreciate it if someone could provide a hint or so
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[10:09] <ibanezmatt13> at the moment I'm simply trying to store the sentence identifier $GPGGA into a variable but I'm having trouble, not sure what to do
[10:09] <mfa298_> in what way does it now work?
[10:10] <ibanezmatt13> it prints the entire string
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[10:10] <mfa298_> that does make sense when you think about it
[10:10] <ibanezmatt13> I know that the %s keeps reading until it sees white space, hence yes it does make sence
[10:11] <mfa298_> what have you told sscanf to get
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[10:11] <ibanezmatt13> sense*
[10:11] <ibanezmatt13> but I'm not sure how to change that to get the $gpgga part.
[10:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't it comma seperated ?
[10:11] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[10:11] <ibanezmatt13> that's what confuses me
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[10:11] <mfa298_> I've not used sscanf style functions in a long time but you could probably tell it what to expect after the bit you want
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> so look for first comma
[10:12] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> ",%s" ?
[10:12] <ibanezmatt13> right, I'll try it
[10:12] <ibanezmatt13> nope
[10:12] <mfa298_> or %s, for the $GPGGA part
[10:13] <ibanezmatt13> just tried that, same output
[10:13] <mfa298_> as a silly question you did recompile inbetween ?
[10:13] <ibanezmatt13> I think so yeah
[10:14] <ibanezmatt13> yep I did
[10:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is there not an explode function in C ?
[10:14] <ibanezmatt13> don't know. I thought of splitting it by comma but then I realised my brain is coded in Python
[10:15] <mfa298_> in my code I'm looping through the string seperating at commas and using a state machine to do the right thing with the data,
[10:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think I meant that as more of a hint the a question ;-)
[10:15] <mfa298_> if you went that route you might find strtok looks like the right function but it isnt
[10:15] <oh1jcs> Someone mentioned something about the freq. of B-17. I had cursor frecuency on 1444 tonight when it relaunched. fyi.
[10:16] <jonsowman> don't use strtok
[10:16] <mfa298_> but there is a function that does work for that.
[10:16] <jonsowman> you'll regret it
[10:16] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298_, I may be wrong but I think eroomde told me to stay on the route of using sscanf for now
[10:16] <ibanezmatt13> ^
[10:16] <jonsowman> :)
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm not a C programmer so ....
[10:16] <jonsowman> good advice from eroomde
[10:17] <ibanezmatt13> it is possible to get the $GPGGA bit from that string using sscanf isn't it?
[10:18] <jonsowman> "$%s,"
[10:18] <jonsowman> ?
[10:19] <ibanezmatt13> one sec
[10:19] <Hix> Geoff-G8DHE https://www.dropbox.com/s/wymely43m11w1r2/K%26R%20The_C_Programming_Language.pdf
[10:19] <ibanezmatt13> still same output jonsowman
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> sscand if a really bad idea in general on constrained processors
[10:19] <mattbrejza> hmm im fairly sure i wrote a small bit of code to test two strings when i was doing this, probably a bit messier but i would guess faster
[10:19] <SpeedEvil> It can be extremely heavyweight
[10:20] <OH1MN_> OH1JCS: I saw with B-15 balloon that the freq shifted a little...so had no move the decode cursor manualy to decode good again.. but B-17 didnt have this problem yesterday atleast.
[10:20] <SpeedEvil> if(strcmp("buffer, "$$GPGGA"))
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks but no tks ;-) I'll code in Fortran, Cobol, Basic, PHP, C, C++, Python, and most other languges but only when I need to ;-)
[10:21] <OH1MN_> oh1jcs: cursor on 567 here...all depenps on rig freq...
[10:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> But I've saved it for when I do ;-)
[10:21] <OH1MN_> its soon been 10hours since last heard... :(
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Why on earth does it woant th Asian Font package ?
[10:22] <mfa298_> ibanezmatt13: the first answer on http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15091284/read-comma-separated-input-with-scanf might give you an idea ofwhat's happening and how to fix it
[10:22] <ibanezmatt13> I'll take a look
[10:22] <oh1jcs> 1mn, rrr. Good to know until the next time.
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[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah Asian and Extended fonts that makes more sense
[10:23] <ibanezmatt13> success
[10:24] <cuddykid> just had a Skype conversation with a very enthusiastic year 6 class! They were all super interested in space/ballooning and had some good questions
[10:24] <DL1SGP> way to go cuddykid
[10:25] <mfa298_> there's a few good comments in that answer (things like width to stop buffer overrun) and understanding how regular expressions work
[10:25] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
[10:25] <jonsowman> i do love a good regex
[10:25] <jonsowman> :|
[10:25] <mfa298_> I've just learnt some useful C stuff from that :D
[10:25] <ibanezmatt13> it's a good page mfa298_, I'll read it
[10:25] <mfa298_> I dont think you need the single quotes in there.
[10:26] <mfa298_> if you don't understand what the [^,] is doing read up on regular expressions - They can be really powerful - and you'll want to know more about them to match the rest of the string
[10:27] <mfa298_> stackoverflow can be a great source of answers if you can find someone asking the same question.
[10:28] <Vostok> you usually do
[10:29] <ibanezmatt13> this works: https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
[10:29] <DL1SGP> stackoverflow is a nice resource :)
[10:30] <mfa298_> again, you shouldn't need the single quotes in the format specifier (and especially 2 of them)
[10:30] <yo5pjb> Hi. So.. B17 got relaunched by itself and then landed again... wow :D
[10:31] <Vostok> might have landed
[10:31] <DL1SGP> we assume it initial re-lift-off was helped by sneaky ninja squirrels yo5pjb
[10:31] <mfa298_> the comment on the stack overflow page about specifying width is good as well as it means you won't get a buffer overflow if you get bad data
[10:32] <Vostok> we also assume the squirrels fixed the whole produced by OH7FXK who shot down the balloon in the first place
[10:32] <Vostok> *hole :)
[10:32] <mfa298_> think about what would happen if the time from gps was corrupt and had something that wasn't a . in it.
[10:32] <ibanezmatt13> with NMEA, does the time always come through in the form HHMMSS.ss or does it come through always as HHMMSS? Two websites are giving two different forms
[10:33] <yo5pjb> DL1SGP: cool ninjas, I think they had a helium tank with them to do the refill :D
[10:34] <yo5pjb> DL1SGP: LeoBodnar probably will receive in the next days the receipt of Helium used to refill the baloon
[10:34] <DL1SGP> yo5pjb: you never know what kind of tools Finnish ninja squirrels hide from us
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[10:35] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298_, is time always in the form HHMMSS.ss or is it in HHMMSS with NMEA?
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[10:36] <LeoBodnar> squirrels might have produced some methane on the spot
[10:36] <DL1SGP> with british baken beans
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[10:37] <OH7HJ> If I had catched the B-16, I would have given it a quick refill, got ample lots of gas from welding activities.
[10:37] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: Im not sure off hand
[10:37] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[10:37] <OH7HJ> Anyone know a payload without balloon..? ;)
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[10:37] <G8APZ> does C have a string in string as in PHP?
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[10:38] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you could probably write your code to match either and work it out from there.
[10:38] <DL1SGP> there was a red cross group starting a balloon last year in Germany... their payload was not attached properly so in effect... the balloon flew without it...
[10:38] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I'll experiment
[10:39] <mattbrejza> c doesnt even really have strings G8APZ , it just has a fixed array in memory which you can use to store a string
[10:39] <G8APZ> I was thinking of something like this PHP > if(stristr($value,"$$GPGGA")){$answer = "Eureka"};
[10:39] <mfa298> G8APZ: there are various string functions in C but the concept of strings in C is a bit more interesting, they're more an array of characters with the last character being a NULL
[10:40] <G8APZ> OK ... I'll have to keep away from C I think!!
[10:40] <mfa298> G8APZ: that probably wouldn't help in this case as the aim is to build up the sscanf command to pull out the useful data from the string
[10:40] <OH7HJ> We tried to catch and refill the B-15, but it slipped away. Maybe resurrected like the B17..? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtaTdTv1XhY
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> It was epic OH7HJ
[10:42] <OH7HJ> Tnx for putting it in air! I thought about furnishing it wit a larger balloon to continue its journey. Would you have minded us do it..? ;)
[10:43] <LeoBodnar> Of course not :D
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> It's yours if you find it
[10:44] <OH7HJ> A pity that it slipped from our hands without refill. It may have made its final hop over the East Border. Out of our reach and range there.
[10:44] <G8APZ> OH7HJ: did you actually find the B-15?
[10:47] <OH7HJ> Not a trace of it on the spot of last fix. Looking at the B-17 altitude curve, I wonder if it could have made a similar hop in the morning before we arrived at the spot to search it.
[10:47] <G8APZ> yes, maybe
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[10:49] <OH7HJ> Also, it could have been dragged by wind low far out of range.
[10:51] <OH7HJ> There were large swamps around in the search area so the balloon could have dragged miles before catched in trees, or submerged in a lake. Did it have a floatable foam enclosing?
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think Leo uses any enclosure at all just board with conformal caoting ...
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> *coating
[10:53] <OH1MN_> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/Pages/7.html most are like this...
[10:53] <OH1MN_> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/Pages/6.html
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[10:55] <OH7HJ> Two years ago there was a camera balloon experiment in the same area. It proved very difficult to find it. although it had a large foam enclosure painted with fluorescents.
[10:55] <Mik_WD8MNV> maybe if he switched to oragne heat shrink
[10:55] <Mik_WD8MNV> orange*
[10:56] <OH7HJ> Thank you for pic links! Here are pics of the camera balloon trial on the same site, and at the end of this thread photos from B-15 search: http://www.oh7ab.fi/foorumi/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=239
[10:57] <Mik_WD8MNV> maybe even a foam cup and plastic lig? wonder how much that would add...
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[10:59] <OH7HJ> The camera balloon payload had a large and very visible casing and its landing spot was known within a couple of hundred meters. Still, it took three search missions with rather large groups to find it.
[11:00] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> OH7HJ: So you're saying one shouldn't land in that area? ;)
[11:02] <OH7HJ> Rather, I welcome every one! :) However, I suggest to furnish payloads with large colored depron etc. surfaces for us refillers to spot them... :)
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[11:03] <LeoBodnar> lightweight B-* have not been designed to be retrieved and in fact there was only one documented recovery so far
[11:04] <LeoBodnar> The biggest payload giveaway is 1m diameter silver balloon attached to it :D
[11:04] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Images/5.jpg
[11:05] <Mik_WD8MNV> you might be able to get those in orange as well
[11:05] <OH7HJ> A pity 2 m or 6 m are not allowed. They would have a lot larger range on the ground for direction finding. If got APRS in the payload, all the digi network would join listening them.
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[11:06] <LeoBodnar> I will fly APRS when I get my full licence. APRS is just shut off over countries that don't allow its airborne use.
[11:06] <LeoBodnar> Current B-* hardware is "APRS-ready"
[11:07] <Mik_WD8MNV> will that chip change frequencies on the fly? do ISM and APRS w/ 1 chip?
[11:07] <mattbrejza> not without some serious output match/filter design
[11:07] <OH7HJ> Years ago I was in a team building seal trackers. Aside from range tests in lake environment, it was found that fluorescent yellow painted over bright white surface was best visible. Next best was fluorexcent orange.
[11:09] <OH7HJ> Good to know APRS is in the schedule! On which band will you be able to make it?
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[11:13] <OH7HJ> Our APRS digi network is on 144.800 MHz. I guess it is usual in most countries? Also it is easy to set igates for other freqs on home stations but got less listeners then of course. .
[11:14] <Darkside> different regions have different frequencies
[11:14] <Darkside> europe 144.8, US 144.390, australia 145.175
[11:17] <LeoBodnar> 144.800 is good for most of Europe
[11:17] <OH7HJ> Tnx info! Usual APRS igate software here are UIView and G8BPQ's node software. There are lots of hams able to use them.
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[11:21] <LeoBodnar> We still need some manual tracking though!:D
[11:22] <LeoBodnar> Thanks for interesting visibility info OH7HJ
[11:22] <OH7HJ> 144.800 is also good for larger reception rage, because lots of hams here have rotatable yagis for 2 m. The 70 cm band is rather restricted for our long distances and only few hams have bothered set yagis for it.
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[11:26] <fsphil> I'm better setup for 70cm, but that's probably bias :)
[11:27] <gonzo_> pure RF wise, 70cm/2mtrs there is probably little difference
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[11:29] <gonzo_> aprs from habs couldb eb an issue, as you would prob not wnat to fly a tranceiver, just a low power TX only. So it would be broadcasting over a very wide area, without checking the chan is clear
[11:29] <gonzo_> I know that is done from ground based beacons too, but they are restricted footprint
[11:30] <OH7HJ> Sure, 70 cm is just fine as long as the balloon keeps high. The problems come with the descend. During the last few hundreds meters of altitude, UHF signal is absorbed by forest.
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[11:31] <gonzo_> there may be some effects, but it really is just the last few metres
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[11:32] <OH7HJ> On plains and on water 70 cm range is good, but on ground with vegetation it vanishes sometimes even before the balloon is below theoretical radio horizon.
[11:32] <fsphil> 70cm antennas are also very hab friendly
[11:32] <fsphil> in terms of size
[11:34] <gonzo_> higher freqs, you get more directionality for the size. But for capture area (ie the amount of signal indiced in the antenna) it's about comparable. So to get the same signal, you need about the same amoung of metal
[11:34] <gonzo_> but for close in DFing, then 70cm ants are certainly more convenient
[11:34] <OH7HJ> With a 2 m yagi of the same size, one gets a range boost by about 50 % over 70 cm on mixed forest terrain, and with similar size 6 m yagi the range extension is doubled.
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[11:35] <gonzo_> OH7HJ, is that purely from absorbtion?
[11:36] <OH7HJ> Correct, forest absorbs UHF signal, and still more SHF of course. Over water UHF and SHF travesl OK, but over vegetation they are almost useless for long distances.
[11:37] <M6GTG_Andrew> my 2m yagi makes my arms ache ;-) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Nerdsville/CIMG8262_zpsfaaa95cf.jpg
[11:37] <gonzo_> fair enough.
[11:38] <OH7HJ> We have made practical experiments with 'long' distance WLAN. Got easily 6 km over a lake, while over woods to get equal signal the distance decreases to 1 km or even less.
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[11:40] <gonzo_> I still think that for HABs, the main limitaition is the line of sight. The absorbtion will only be significanty in the last few metres. When it has prbably dropped out of sight of all stations anyway. Though it will still be a factor when trying to recover it
[11:40] <OH7HJ> Also I am listening to 1.09 GHz mode-S aircraft transponder fixes. Have to get reception aerial over treetops to get acceptable range. Even then, the range is cut by 30 % on wet weather. Wet trees absorb UHF still easier.
[11:41] <gonzo_> similar effect we have with a 5GHz link. Over a 30km path, we are skimming the trees. If the ant on oine end is lowered by 20ft, we get 20+dB less signal
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[11:42] <gonzo_> The previous 1km 2.4Ghz link suffered rain too. On the SNR graphing you could see the link die as the trees got wet, then come back as they dried. Quicker if it was windy!
[11:44] <OH7HJ> Andrew, there are alernatives to heavy yagis. My 10 el quagi is built with thin wire elements on 6 m glass fibre tubing and it weighs less than 2 g. Including coax cable. :)
[11:45] <OH7HJ> http://antenni.lentokvaki.innoplaza.net - sorry, in Finnish only, but dimensions are international...
[11:46] <M6GTG_Andrew> OH7HJ: I know, I won it in a raffle at the hamfest, no pole to stick it on and have used if for satellite/ISS reception ;-)
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[11:47] <OH7HJ> I have made a little smaller foldable 2 m yagi twin for emergency network use, too, each weighing abt 1 kg.
[11:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> M6GTG_Andrew: Is that an LFA?
[11:48] <OH7HJ> Same principle, but older schemes. A 'quagi' has quad feed element and reflector with yagi directors. LFA has only quad feed element.
[11:48] <M6GTG_Andrew> OH7HJ: Thanks for the links, yes it is a LFA from http://www.innovantennas.com
[11:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one Andy
[11:50] <M6GTG_Andrew> Afternoon Steve, yes nice antenna won it in 2011, well my brother did ;-)
[11:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've just re-built my 70cms 7ele yagi for DFing the Scout launch
[11:50] <OH1MN_> not LFA, " A 'quagi' has quad feed element and reflector with yagi directors. LFA has only quad feed element."
[11:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'd modified it to be a satellite antenna on a 2m HB9
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[11:52] <ibanezmatt13> when I'm going through a string and storing different parts of it into variables, if I'm only interested in some data three quaters of the way through the string, how do I use sscanf to avoid them? https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
[11:53] <ibanezmatt13> So I needed all the fields up to satellites, but now there's some data I'm not interested in which I want to avoid before getting to altitude a little further ahead
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[11:53] <PD4U> on long distance using 300bd pkt APRS on 20m from Boeing 737 see http://www.qrz.com/db/DF1CHB heard in VK while flying to Canary Isl.
[11:53] <PD4U> 2013-08-28 09:28:20 CEST: VK2IO-4 >APU25N,TCPIP*,qAC,T2NZAA:>280728zDX: DF1CHB-11 40.01.34N 7.27.54W 17965.5km 296<0xf8> 16:33
[11:54] <PD4U> 17965,5KM!!!
[11:54] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: use * to tell scanf to ignore them. %s would become %*s for example
[11:54] <PD4U> using 400W pep
[11:54] <ibanezmatt13> thanks fsphil :)
[11:55] <fsphil> there's a better description in the man page
[11:56] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: can I repeat the comment about the ' in your specifier probably not doing what you think they're doing (i.e. you don't need them)
[11:56] <ibanezmatt13> the ' in the ',' part?
[11:57] <ibanezmatt13> the first one?
[11:57] <M6GTG_Andrew> OH1MN_: I am only a lowly M6, it was labelled as a LFA and sold as a LFA ;-)
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[11:57] <mfa298> where you've got %6[^','] it could be %6[^,]
[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, is that because it reads 6 characters up to the comma? and hence anything after it is pointless?#
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[11:58] <mfa298> in regular expressions [] indicate a set of characters, the ^ at the start means not these values
[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: also, that stakoverflow page is talking about using scanf, not sscanf as I'm using
[11:58] <mfa298> so [^,] means anything that's not a ,
[11:58] <mfa298> [^','] would be anything thats not a , or '
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I get it
[11:59] <mfa298> sscanf is the same as scanf expcept scanf gets data from standard in (usually the keyboard) sscanf uses a stream (string , file etc)
[12:00] <mfa298> it's a similar difference between printf and sprintf
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[12:00] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see, cool
[12:00] <OH1MN_> M6GTG_Andrew: sure sri should not mess with others... Was talking about oh7hj antenna :) yes your antenna is a 4el LFA, i use those myself also... www.sral.fi/oh1mn/oh1aa/
[12:01] <mfa298> assuming C is using fairly standard regular expressions you could also match for things like [0-9] for numbers
[12:02] <OH1MN_> on that page, scrolling down, u can see 2m 9el LFA, 70cm 18el LFA, 2m 5el LFA, 6m 4el LFA and 6m 5el LFA... I like the design and its quiet :)
[12:02] <M6GTG_Andrew> OH1MN_: Wow, nice antenna farm! Jealous!
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[12:04] <OH1MN_> M6GTG_Andrew: thanks. happy to live outside the city center... with own space and nearest neighbor about 500m away...
[12:04] <DL1SGP> yeah neighbors can be a showstopper :(
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, I'm not sure where the * comes into it
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> oh wait
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> nevermind
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> %2[^,] would become %*2[^,] ? fsphil
[12:05] <OH1MN_> well this one like the hobby...luckily not that much he would like to be a ham, but often asking about new stuff, dx, radios etc...
[12:06] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: yea, though I doubt I'd bother putting in the number
[12:06] <fsphil> unless you can guarantee that field will have 2 characters
[12:07] <ibanezmatt13> what if the input string is corrupted?
[12:07] <M6GTG_Andrew> DL1SGP: I think I might find that out, newly licensed and looking at putting up some antennae, no idea what the neighbours and/or planning authority will say
[12:07] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: not much you can do about that beyond making sure the checksum is fine
[12:07] <fsphil> (I assume you're processing gpgga strings?)
[12:08] <fsphil> and making sure it's null terminated
[12:08] <DL1SGP> M6GTG_Andrew: you will find out, if you got a good standing relation with your neighbours then seek the dialog and explain what you are up to
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> do I check the null at the end using the same function sscanf fsphil?
[12:09] <fsphil> what function are you using to read the line ibanezmatt13?
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> sscanf
[12:09] <fsphil> before that I mean
[12:09] <fsphil> where is the string coming from?
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> oh, well it will be the serial port eventually
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> at the minute I've just set a string up as an example in the program
[12:10] <fsphil> ah
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
[12:10] <fsphil> then it'll always be null terminated
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> not quite sure what you mean
[12:11] <fsphil> C will put a 0x00 at the end of any literal string
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[12:11] <fsphil> later on when you're reading it for real, just check whatever function reads the string puts the 0x00 at the end
[12:11] <fsphil> it probably will, unless you're reading it byte at a time
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> So if I'm using sscanf in the same way as I am currently
[12:12] <fsphil> sscanf won't go past the 0x00
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: so butane...
[12:13] <Laurenceb> heh
[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> see, the thing I'm thinking of, what if a comma is missed when it comes in, I'll end up overfilling the buffer won't I?
[12:13] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: or just launch when the weather is better
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> Why do you think sticking it in the main envelope is not going to work?
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> I am just curious
[12:13] <Laurenceb> i think B11 and 12 went well as they tracked a good area of air
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> Want to get through freezing clouds
[12:14] <Laurenceb> so no condensation
[12:14] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: then specify the max size of whatever string you're writing the value into. that's sensible. but you can leave the value out if you're using * to skip it
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> yeah, it's too easy to fly in good weather
[12:14] <Laurenceb> butane in the envelope is diluted by the He
[12:14] <LeoBodnar> but it would still condense?
[12:14] <Laurenceb> so the partial pressure is lower
[12:14] <Laurenceb> condensation works off partial pressures
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> ah right I see, same as I did before but not bother when ignoring things. Got it, thanks
[12:15] <Laurenceb> this is why you can dry things at room temperature
[12:15] <fsphil> yea, since it's not writing into memory it won't matter
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[12:15] <LeoBodnar> So it is not going to work at all?
[12:16] <Laurenceb> it will work in a seperate envelope
[12:16] <Laurenceb> but not in the main one
[12:16] <LeoBodnar> Hmm ok
[12:17] <LeoBodnar> But dew point is dropping with temperature still
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[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125 This is bizarre. For altitude it's printing 45.4 instead of 545.4
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[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> if I change the number in front of the % to a 6, it prints a load of rubbish
[12:18] <fsphil> two things
[12:18] <fsphil> you're not checking the value returned by sscanf
[12:18] <fsphil> it's important (will tell you if it actually worked)
[12:18] <fsphil> your 5 is in the wrong place
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh
[12:19] <fsphil> it's telling it the string begins after a character '5'
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh god of course
[12:19] <fsphil> so when you change it to 6
[12:19] <mfa298> C is very good at doing exactly what you tell it to do,
[12:19] <fsphil> it won't find a six, fails and doesn't write anything
[12:19] <LeoBodnar> so butane inside He will always be unsaturated vapour?
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see
[12:19] <Laurenceb> yes
[12:19] <fsphil> sscanf() should return the number of fields it processed
[12:20] <fsphil> if it's not what you expect then it's a good bet something is wrong in the string
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> wouldn't there be a chance of it failing still even checking the return value?
[12:20] <fsphil> totally
[12:20] <Hix> ibanezmatt13 did you d.l the K&R link i sent a while back>
[12:20] <Hix> ?
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> yes Hix, it was a good read
[12:21] <fsphil> well not fail in terms of sscanf()'s work
[12:21] <Hix> cool - its an invaluable helper
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not sure why I must check the return value of sscanfat the moent
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> moment*
[12:21] <fsphil> because it's good practice
[12:21] <fsphil> you've already hit a bug because you didn't :)
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> I'm struggling to understand what it actually does though :)
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> it returns the number of processed fields, I know that bit
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not sure how that will avoid the problem
[12:23] <fsphil> your bug earlier caused it not to return anything in altitude
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[12:23] <ibanezmatt13> wasn't that due to the misplaced 5 though?
[12:23] <fsphil> yep
[12:23] <fsphil> but that's not the point
[12:24] <fsphil> something in the string caused it not to return all the fields you asked it for
[12:24] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you'll find when you start writing good C code you're code will be filled with if statments checking that things worked. Most of the time things will be fine, but occasionally things break and that's what leads to nasty program crashes
[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I'd better get this sorted then
[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> So I need an if statement
[12:25] <ibanezmatt13> or more appropriate, a while
[12:25] <fsphil> at least if it returns the expected number of fields, you know there's at least something in all the strings
[12:25] <ibanezmatt13> while the result of sscanf is = number of fields I want, do code - otherwise, reloop ?
[12:26] <fsphil> no point while()'ing, the value of mystring isnt' changing
[12:26] <fsphil> it'll just loop forever
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> if
[12:26] <fsphil> yep
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> if what I want, do stuff, otherwise, print fail message & exit
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> that's a good start
[12:26] <fsphil> *if* sscanf() returns what I expect, then process the values
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[12:27] <fsphil> that, and testing the checksum, should be more than enough
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> in fact
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> I never bothered checking the checksum in my python code :/
[12:27] <fsphil> many don't
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> I just read what I wanted up to the altitude
[12:27] <fsphil> it's a direct serial link, errors are not too likely
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> I guess checking it is just a standard proceedure that I could get from the datasheet
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> I'll leave that for now
[12:28] <fsphil> it's a simple crc
[12:28] <fsphil> there's plenty of code examples out there for it
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[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, will the ignored values be counted in the return value of sscanf?
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> I assume not
[12:29] <fsphil> don't recall, the man pages says not
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[12:29] <fsphil> easy to find out though
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[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> yep, just working out what the syntax is for an if else statement
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> I've done the if
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> if x=x { code } not sure where the else goes. Time for a google
[12:30] <fsphil> it's not too bad
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, the code is working but if for instance time comes through as HHMMS as opposed to HHMMSS, it still take the HHMMS and puts it in time. Is this avoidable using sscanf or must I just do that and check later on
[12:34] <fsphil> I don't think a gps module ever would return time like that
[12:34] <fsphil> but it might do hhmmss.ddd
[12:34] <fsphil> watch out for that
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> oh
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> this is so confusing
[12:35] <fsphil> yep :)
[12:35] <fsphil> not sure the ublox do the .ddd thing
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> thank god
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
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[12:36] <ibanezmatt13> So is that looking good enough for flying or is that destined to failure
[12:37] <fsphil> you've spaces after some of the commas
[12:37] <fsphil> I'm surprised that works
[12:38] <ibanezmatt13> it's working so not sure
[12:38] <mfa298> fsphil: I was thinking the same thing
[12:38] <fsphil> brb, foooood
[12:38] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> fsphil: is defult split [whitespace] ?
[12:39] <mfa298> as for flying it the getchar() would get annoying, you'de need to have a keyboard and need to have the payload within reach all the time ;)
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> that's just for testing don't worry :)
[12:40] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: one thing you'de want to do as part of that code is check that it's a GPGGA string
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[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> I've not got to that bit yet :)
[12:44] <fsphil> sscanf can output integers too
[12:44] <fsphil> you don't have to have everything as a string
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[12:46] <ibanezmatt13> I've just realised :)
[12:46] <ibanezmatt13> Off to college, thanks for all the help again
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[12:49] <x-f> Finnish guys, i don't know if you have already subscribed to the UKHAS mailing list (http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas), but Alain F6AGV has calculated the possible landing point of B-17 at 60.5370N 23.7326E
[12:50] <x-f> and he's pretty good at these things
[12:50] <x-f> if anybody is thinking of a recovery
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[12:52] <sv1ljj> hi ppl!!!
[12:52] <fsphil> yoyo
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[12:53] <OH7FXK> *PANG!* I saw an balloon...
[12:54] <Vostok> say what
[12:55] <DL1SGP> shooting training again?
[12:55] <nats`> \_< <= I'm a duck
[12:55] <DL1SGP> nat nat
[12:55] <fsphil> did it say "Happy Birthday" on the side? :)
[12:55] <fsphil> I think james launched a birthday balloon once
[12:56] <x-f> Thomas launched a bunch of party balloons at once, iirc :)
[12:56] <fsphil> bill did too
[12:56] <fsphil> Pixar-style
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[13:00] <OH7FXK> Would big (50l) garbage bag work as balloon?
[13:00] <Maxell> Nice, also space-ish high altitude! http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/
[13:00] <OH7FXK> Or two, one inside and one as protective layer
[13:00] <fsphil> I think so
[13:01] <fsphil> if it was well sealed
[13:01] <Maxell> To celebrate this event, the Juno mission is inviting amateur radio operators around the world to say "HI" to Juno in a coordinated Morse Code message. Juno's radio & plasma wave experiment, called Waves, should be able to detect the message if enough people participate. So please join in, and help spread the word to fellow amateur radio enthusiasts!
[13:01] <x-f> http://kt5tk.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/launching-trash-bags-at-late-night/
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[13:03] <Hix> was KT5TK at the conf?
[13:03] <OH7FXK> hmm, my hdd makes grinding noise
[13:03] <x-f> yes, Hix
[13:04] <Hix> thought I recognised the photo
[13:04] <LeoBodnar> He was
[13:05] <Hix> OH7FXK time for a backup
[13:05] <OH7FXK> Hix: did it last night, automatically
[13:05] <Hix> :D
[13:06] <Laurenceb> http://kt5tk.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-552
[13:06] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:07] <DL1SGP> and best is we know who is holding that happy day balloon :D
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[13:09] <x-f> Sven DL7AD?
[13:10] <DL1SGP> I would not deny that, but in respect of not disclosing the info I do not acknowledge it either :)
[13:10] <x-f> ok :)
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[13:12] <DL1SGP> aww we scared him off :)
[13:13] <x-f> he'll be back
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[13:14] <DL1SGP> there :)
[13:14] <x-f> ..
[13:14] <x-f> nice drawing - http://www.oh7ab.fi/foorumi/download/file.php?id=43
[13:15] <mfa298> Off topic but several might be interested: Look at Q98, Q99, and Q100 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmeduc/uc1786-i/uc178601.htm
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[13:19] <DL1SGP> amusing mfa298
[13:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> mfa298, Yup, what can you say .....
[13:19] <mfa298> you've got to wonder about some of our politicians
[13:20] <fsphil> I'd rather not
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[13:22] <fsphil> mfa298: Q195
[13:23] <fsphil> I think his advisers speak for the country
[13:24] <mfa298> lol
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[13:31] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[13:32] <DL1SGP> Guten Nachmittag Lunar_LanderU
[13:32] <Lunar_LanderU> hi
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[13:34] <Lunar_LanderU> was wondering about gate driving a MOSFET from an uC, a logic-level MOSFET can be driven directly or via an transistor I think?
[13:35] <Lunar_LanderU> with a gate driver like that https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Gatetreiber_diskret_simple.PNG
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[13:37] <Lunar_LanderU> is that circuit a good idea when using a 3.3V AVR and the MOSFET should switch 12 V?
[13:38] <mattbrejza> logic level can be straight from the uC
[13:38] <DL1SGP> yes see "Logic Level - FET schaltet bei niedrigen Gatespannungen von typisch 4,5V (z. B. CMOS Logikpegel) hinreichend durch. Normale MOSFETs brauchen hierfür typisch 10V."
[13:38] <mattbrejza> unless you have something weird going ob
[13:38] <DL1SGP> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/MOSFET-%C3%9Cbersicht
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> A small - 1Kish - resistor may be a better idea.
[13:38] <Lunar_LanderU> OK, thanks
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> It can avoid wierd oscillations
[13:38] <Lunar_LanderU> ok, 1k in line with the gate?
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> - connected between the GPIO and gate
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:38] <Lunar_LanderU> ok
[13:39] <mattbrejza> and yea pull down if you dont want it to trigger accidently
[13:39] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah, Datasheet gives V_gs(tresh) to be 0.8 to 2.5 V
[13:39] <Lunar_LanderU> so that should be OK?
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_LanderU: IGNORE THAT NUMBER.
[13:39] <Lunar_LanderU> ok
[13:39] <mattbrejza> what you really want is the GS current against gate voltage
[13:39] <mattbrejza> *DS
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_LanderU: You do not care about it. You care about the voltage at which Rds is specified at
[13:39] <Lunar_LanderU> OK
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> Vgs(th) is the voltage at which the current is 250uA or so
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> ah
[13:40] <mattbrejza> or the Vds Ids one
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> The other fun issue is - don't trust the graphs in the datasheet.
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> Diodes Inc. only made a one page sheet without any plots, nice of them
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[13:40] <Lunar_LanderU> OK, I can see R_ds
[13:40] <SpeedEvil> If they don't specify at what Vgs(th) the specific one is measured at - you can't know exactly how they apply
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[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> 5 Ohms at V_GS = 10 V, I_D=500mA and 7.5 Ohms at V_GS = 5 V, I_D=200 mA
[13:41] <SpeedEvil> If you have a graph of Id vs Vds for a range of gate voltages - fine - you can look along the 5V gate line, and get a single figure.
[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:41] <Lunar_LanderU> my AVR is 3.3V btw
[13:42] <SpeedEvil> But - if the Vgs(th) is 2.4-4 - that's a 1.6V spread. Now - what voltage is that '5V' line for your FET. It's really a band
[13:42] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
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[13:43] <Lunar_LanderU> if you want to have a look, this is the datasheet http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1737232.pdf
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[13:43] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_LanderU: http://uk.farnell.com/mosfets - select 'N channel' 'in stock'
[13:43] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:43] <Lunar_LanderU> I have to explain first I think
[13:43] <Lunar_LanderU> that MOSFET is specified in a circuit we were building from a paper
[13:43] <micster> where I can find info about B-17 which landed in Finland?
[13:44] <Lunar_LanderU> and we want to modify it from an OpAmp oscillator controlling the MOSFET gate to the CPU controlling the Gate
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> Select a max rds(on) test voltage of 3.3V
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> And you get 25 parts
[13:44] <Lunar_LanderU> ok
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=204245+110158844+731+110126883+110172715+110262298+110169937+110126954+110222867+110542808&No=0&getResults=true&appliedparametrics=true&locale=en_UK&divisionLocale=en_UK&catalogId=&skipManufacturer=false&skipParametricAttributeId=&prevNValues=204245+110158844+731&mm=1002572||,1002889||110542808,&filtersHidden=false&appliedHidden=false&autoApply=false&originalQueryURL=%2Fjsp%2Fsearch%2Fbrowse
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> .jsp%3FN%3D204245%26No%3D0%26getResults%3Dtrue%26appliedparametrics%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_UK%26divisionLocale%3Den_UK%26catalogId%3D%26skipManufacturer%3Dfalse%26skipParametricAttributeId%3D%26prevNValues%3D204245
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> Not sure if that works
[13:44] <PE2G> Hello OH1MN, how did you loose signal from B-17 last night?
[13:44] <Lunar_LanderU> SpeedEvil: worked
[13:45] <DL1SGP> micster: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-17/ and http://spacenear.us
[13:45] <mattbrejza> Lunar_LanderU: btw the device you posted isnt suitable (assuming you want to put a decent current through it)
[13:45] <micster> tnx
[13:45] <Lunar_LanderU> hm
[13:45] <DL1SGP> in case of further questions just ask here and you might get an answer :D
[13:45] <Lunar_LanderU> btw it is the electrometer I am building
[13:45] <Lunar_LanderU> one sec
[13:45] <OH1MN> pe2G: just lost it... dont know if it was the rains that brought the B-17 down fast or what. but if it lifts up agn will be sure to listen for it. RX is still on as with many OHs
[13:46] <Lunar_LanderU> http://s.gullipics.com/image/9/z/6/ji1rd83-kxv126-4ew/ElectrometerCircuitDiagram.png mattbrejza SpeedEvil
[13:46] <Lunar_LanderU> we are using exactly the parts from the paper at the moment
[13:46] <Lunar_LanderU> and what we were looking at was to replace the oscillator at the lower left
[13:46] <PE2G> OH1MN: thanks for the info. No beeps heard either?
[13:47] <OH1MN> no nothing
[13:47] <PE2G> :(
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[13:47] <mattbrejza> oh that circiut
[13:48] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:48] <mattbrejza> hmm so theres like almost no current going through the GET
[13:48] <mattbrejza> FET
[13:48] <mattbrejza> so id say you just need to make sure the DS resistance is low enough at the voltage you intend to drive it
[13:48] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[13:48] <mattbrejza> which still means logic level
[13:49] <mattbrejza> so really it doesnt change anything
[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[13:49] <mattbrejza> it might ahve to be low leakage or something like that
[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> that is probably why they chose that mosfet
[13:49] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:50] <Lunar_LanderU> main reason for considering that was that the oscillator isn't synchronized with the CPU sampling the data
[13:50] <Lunar_LanderU> my prof said you have to take a reading right after reset and then one after a few seconds of waiting time
[13:52] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: @PA3ARK #UKHAS #HAB B-17 http://t.co/4gJQjOPvsk
[13:55] <Lunar_LanderU> mattbrejza: so direct control via some resistors should be possible?
[13:55] <mattbrejza> i think the idea is that you sample much more offen than it resets, and the resets are obvious when you come to look at the data
[13:56] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[13:56] <Lunar_LanderU> the vaisala radiosonde for which the circuit was made originally did that
[13:57] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
[13:58] Nick change: Guest31536 -> nigelvh
[13:59] <micster> OH2FWT/M is looking for B-17 (OH2FWT-5 on aprs.fi)
[13:59] <Lunar_LanderU> mattbrejza: we could program the AVR to transmit via interrupt, as described by anthony, but would have 2 second between samples anyway due to the way the GPS is called
[14:00] <mattbrejza> im sure it can be programmed fine
[14:00] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
[14:00] <Lunar_LanderU> we'll look at it
[14:00] <Lunar_LanderU> thank you
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[14:02] <DL1SGP> nice news micster
[14:04] <micster> having radio contact with him
[14:05] <DL1SGP> micster: will he turn right onto 2410 once the intersection is reached?
[14:05] <DL1SGP> erm left
[14:07] <micster> yes
[14:08] <Maxell> micster: lol@moving phone on the map
[14:08] <micster> yes :D
[14:09] <Maxell> aprsdroid que
[14:09] <micster> yeah
[14:09] <Maxell> Device: Open Source: APRSdroid version 12 (mobile, Android)
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[14:09] <Maxell> ah yes
[14:10] <Radioamateur> Hello to all. Im jürgen
[14:10] <DL1SGP> micster: if he does not get a signal there he should return towards north on the 2410 and then again head southeast on the Helsingtie
[14:10] <DL1SGP> that is where my calculations say the balloon may have drifted to
[14:10] <DL1SGP> and it is on his route back anyhow :)
[14:10] <Radioamateur> Anyone ever used the the trackuino?
[14:11] <micster> ok
[14:12] <Radioamateur> Gd lbr om.
[14:12] <DL1SGP> micster: right now he is approaching last known location, that was at 1020m altitude
[14:12] <DL1SGP> good day Juergen
[14:12] <Radioamateur> Do9jw
[14:12] <Radioamateur> Jo30vl
[14:13] <micster> yeah.. trying that last known position first
[14:13] <Radioamateur> Kann mir jemand mit dem trackuino weiterhelfen?
[14:13] <Hix> darkside - this the same for HAB in Aus? http://i.imgur.com/4krlJ8y.jpg
[14:14] <DL1SGP> I need to head out for a bit the calculated impact point near Somerniemi was 60.56577,23.81669 micster, if anyone can give you a more accurate calculation... feel free to use that
[14:14] <micster> ok
[14:14] <DL1SGP> but I guess taking the road Helsingintie while going north-north east on 2410 first could be helpful :)
[14:15] <DL1SGP> adk for now
[14:15] <DL1SGP> *afk even
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[14:20] <x-f> micster, worth checking also 60.537N 23.7326E
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[14:27] <malgar> news about b-17?
[14:28] <malgar> has been found?
[14:28] <OH1MN> no not yet
[14:28] <Radioamateur> Hello. Can anyone help me with the trackuino?
[14:29] <Radioamateur> I ve problems with the compilation on arduino ide
[14:30] <OH1MN> Few people are searching for it but its hard due last location was 1000m AGL and in theory could go to plenty of places... They have not heard any signal yet...
[14:30] <OH1MN> started from the last heard location
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[14:38] <Hix> Radioamateur - what is the issue?
[14:40] <Vostok> http://aprs.fi/#!lat=60.33330&lng=24.43330
[14:42] <oh3kav> my bet would be somewhere south of Somerniemi, in vicinity (or in) the lake Oinasjärvi
[14:42] <OH7HJ> Is OH2FWT searching the B-17 balloon? http://aprs.fi/#!call=OH2FWT-5
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[14:43] <oh3kav> Apparently (Moi Juha de Ari OH7KA)
[14:44] <OH7HJ> Terve Ari!
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[14:49] <OH1MN> also OH2BUF is there looking
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[14:50] Action: micster is helping them via 2m repeater
[14:50] <oh2fwt-m> ei kuulunna
[14:50] <micster> oh2fwt-m: mikä katos?
[14:50] <Vostok> oh2fwt-m: :(
[14:50] <micster> nii jaa
[14:50] <micster> :)
[14:51] <Vostok> etsi kovempaa
[14:51] <micster> preamp käyttöön ;)
[14:52] <malgar> I started to play with my rtl-sdr and I have a question.. frequencies around 433-434 MHz are full of signals from other devices.. how to avoid conflicts?
[14:53] <mfa298> malgar: that can be a challenge. In general the signals are fairly short range so something creating interferrence for you may not be for other people
[14:53] <OH7HJ> Yes Micster and Vostok, 10 mW in bushes is hard to hear, must almost step on it...
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[14:54] <micster> ok
[14:55] <OH7HJ> Yes Malgar, band is full of interference indoors and in cities. Need get aerial above roof to get rid of most harmful interference.
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[14:57] <OH7HJ> USB RTL sticks are amazingly sensitive, however. You will learn to tell real signals from trash rather easily with it.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> I have wondered about a dumb 'rocket' with a tranciever payload on it.
[14:57] <oh3kav> just realized last night that the wind sensor of the sun shades in our house is a 433 MHz ISM device...
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Basically a teeny ducted fan, and motor, and battery, with fins for guidance.
[14:58] <SpeedEvil> To loft a reciever to pick up a downed payload
[14:58] <adamgreig> a fan?
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[14:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/90mm-aewesome-fan/281013998769
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Not that big
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[15:01] <OH7HJ> Good Idea, evil, except that you will get a lot better lift from large props than from fans. Professionals are going towards UAV platforms for measuring devices.
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[15:03] <OH7HJ> Also mini rockets give nice thrusts.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> OH7HJ: yes.
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> OH7HJ: But - I was meaning a dumb almost disposable device with no smarts.
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> OH7HJ: Also designed to be inside a structure where it can't be damaged on falling.
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Literally it's spun up on launch, the motor goes on for 5 seconds, then cuts off and flies ballistically.
[15:06] <OH7HJ> If windy, large kites can lift small receivers. If calm, a chain of large plastic trash bags serving as balloons and tied to a line may lift rx, too.
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I know - there are probably better solutions.
[15:08] <OH7HJ> For that kind of trajectory a mini rocket would work. Their engines ar available for hobbyists. Ducted fans are far too powerless.
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> and yes - but they have way more regulatory issues.
[15:09] <OH7HJ> Rocket hobbyists have experience about lifting small cameras and Tx's and bringing them down with parachute.
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[15:11] <OH7HJ> Try get far away from regulateds places to experiment... ;)
[15:12] <DL1SGP> back
[15:12] <OH7HJ> Kites and electric RC gliders are usually allowed. They take some practising to control.
[15:13] <DL1SGP> is OH2BUF searchign too?
[15:13] <OH7HJ> Balloons also are usually allowed if tied to a line. Free flight is of course controlled.
[15:13] <OH1MN> [17:49] <OH1MN> also OH2BUF is there looking
[15:14] <DL1SGP> thank you OH1MN just returned to desk with my tactical map :D
[15:15] <micster> nothing found yet
[15:15] <DL1SGP> OH2BUF getting some coffee :D
[15:18] <OH1MN> DL1SGP: sure Felix didnt come to think about that..if u just back here, then dont know whats been said earlier :)
[15:19] <DL1SGP> that is a good way oh2buf is taking, he could turn right to approach lakeside in Keltiaenen
[15:19] <DL1SGP> I could scroll up :)
[15:19] <OH1MN> :D
[15:19] <micster> he is going to porin valtatie
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[16:03] <micster> nah.. that balloon is gone
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[16:03] <DL1SGP> yeah also must be dark there now micster
[16:03] <micster> yes
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[16:11] <DL1SGP> rest in pieces dear B-17 :)
[16:11] <micster> yeah
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[16:31] <DL7AD> good evening
[16:31] <DL1SGP> Nabend Sven
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[16:35] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: ist ja kaum was los hier...
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[16:41] <DL1SGP> ja, ist mal etwas ruhiger :D
[16:42] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: haben die finnen schon was gefunden?
[16:45] <DL1SGP> nein und nun ist es duester
[16:45] <DL1SGP> es gab kein einziges signal
[16:45] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: wie blöd, dass der noch mal abgehoben ist. davor wussten war seine genaue position -.-
[16:46] <DL1SGP> das waren die ninja-squirrels :D
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[16:46] <DL1SGP> new B-17 on the map at start location :D
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[16:47] <DL1SGP> new B-17 seems to have launched
[16:47] <mattbrejza> HF again
[16:47] <DL1SGP> or they are just fooling with us :D
[16:47] <mattbrejza> but the higher ISM band
[16:48] <DL7AD> oh theres already b-18...
[16:48] <DL1SGP> yeap 26.959 MHz
[16:49] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: can you hear it?
[16:50] <DL1SGP> it is still on ground I guess
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[16:51] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: musst mal hier rauszoomen: http://aprs.fi/#!addr=60.5057%2C23.5212
[16:51] <DL7AD> und auf 6 stunden stellen
[16:52] <DL1SGP> spaeter gibt gleich erst essen :D
[16:52] <malgar> where are you exactly in Germany?
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[16:53] <DL1SGP> JO52co
[16:53] <DL1SGP> near hannover
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[16:56] <DL1SGP> Erev Tov Chris!
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[16:58] <chris_4x1rf> Good evening everybody!
[16:58] <DL1SGP> time for dinner, see you in a few
[16:59] <x-f> good evening
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[17:00] <DL7AD> hi chris_4x1rf
[17:00] <Willdude123> Hi
[17:00] <chris_4x1rf> when is B-18 launch scheduled?
[17:00] <chris_4x1rf> Hi Sven!
[17:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good evening guys :-)
[17:01] <chris_4x1rf> will give it a try on 26.959MHz, I suppose another 10mW...
[17:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is Leo sending B-18 up tonight? Anyone know?
[17:03] <DL7AD> G0TDJ_Steve: nope. no information.
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[17:03] <chris_4x1rf> but maybe a more efficient transmit antenna
[17:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> There's my answer!
[17:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> It looks launched
[17:03] <DL7AD> yep
[17:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> If that prediction is right, it'll go right over me :D
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[17:08] <chris_4x1rf> on spacenear.us B-18 is announced as DominoEx4 but in dl-fldigi doing autoconfigure is DominoEx8, which is correct?
[17:09] <x-f> dl-fldigi most likely
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[17:09] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: And lift off. Another #HAB is airborn from the UK. Freq. 26.959 MHz DominoEX 4 or 8 ? #UKHAS B-18
[17:09] <G8KNN_> DomEx8 is decoding OK for me
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[17:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> G8KNN_: What's your dial freq. please?
[17:10] <G8KNN_> Spot on 26.959, cursor centre 1.25kHz
[17:10] <PA1SDB> Hello ! Is B-18 DominoEX 4 or 8 ? DL-FLDIGI say's 8, the tracker popup 4
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[17:10] <LeoBodnar> Good evening
[17:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Leo :D
[17:11] <x-f> good evening, pico launchmachine
[17:11] <LeoBodnar> Yo Steve!
[17:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> PA1SDB: Dom EX 8 by all accounts
[17:11] <LeoBodnar> Yes it is
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[17:11] <PA1SDB> OK, tracker say's 4, thats why i ask
[17:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Listening for B-18 here
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[17:12] <Upu> I'll fix that
[17:12] <Upu> I didn't know so I just made it up :)
[17:12] <PA1SDB> :-)
[17:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll be nipping off to 'Talk to Juno' at 7:00 but I'll come back afterward if it helps
[17:12] <G8KNN_> It's quite weak here, -15dB SNR
[17:13] <G8KNN_> but my antennas are horizontal
[17:13] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: what is the transmit antenna?
[17:13] <Upu> you're getting it so wouldn't worry too much
[17:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here yet but it's most likely in the shadow of the hill
[17:14] <x-f> is 27 MHz something that can bounce around the world for large distances?
[17:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wow! Got a partial! l8,38,71G23,i.8215,90.3247,3633,6,1.45*1902
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[17:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> VERY weak
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[17:16] <LeoBodnar> vertical dipole as usual
[17:16] <LeoBodnar> B-mageddon lol
[17:16] <Upu> :)
[17:16] <arko> LeoBodnar: you should have it transmit morse in 43 minutes http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/
[17:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm going to do that arko
[17:17] <arko> good!
[17:17] <arko> jpl is having an event, but im stuck in a meeting :(
[17:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was all set up... LOL
[17:17] <oh2fwt> 151km not evryting
[17:17] <arko> everyone is outside having fun but me :/
[17:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> YAY Green :D
[17:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm amazed how low that signal s and decoded successfully
[17:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> http://i.imgur.com/MZPrWx4.jpg
[17:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Not quite that time...
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[17:22] <LeoBodnar> It's coming closer to you Steve
[17:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Roger
[17:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> One of the earlier predictions had it going right over me,
[17:22] <LeoBodnar> It's windy
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> B is shacking a leg for once
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> *shaking
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[17:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> I can just about hear the pips on audio
[17:24] <DL1SGP> hehe leo you float-ninja :)
[17:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> data
[17:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> Green
[17:24] <LeoBodnar> flinja
[17:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> Solid that time Leo
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[17:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Couldn't you have waited until after Juno LeoBodnar :D
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[17:31] <SpeedEvil> I tried to watch the live stream of Juno - and all I got was this film about a pregnant girl.
[17:31] <DL1SGP> that film is quite boring
[17:31] <DL1SGP> though the girl looked quite nice before having swallowed a balloon
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[17:33] <Willdude123> arko you work at JPL, right?
[17:33] <arko> yes
[17:33] <Willdude123> How much do you know about Voyager 1 and 2?
[17:33] <arko> not as much as i would like
[17:34] <Upu> What do you want to know about them Willdude123 ?
[17:34] <G8KNN_> LeoBodnar, nice signal now -9dB SNR
[17:34] <Willdude123> How they're still going. It's my science homework. I suppose google will help/
[17:34] <Upu> google RTG
[17:34] <arko> you mean power?
[17:34] <malgar> G8KNN_: b-17?
[17:35] <arko> Upu got it, RTG
[17:35] <G8KNN_> B-18
[17:35] <Willdude123> Thanks Upu
[17:35] <LeoBodnar> It should be called googlework these days
[17:35] <arko> radioisotope thermoelectric generator ftw
[17:35] <DL1SGP> hearing the balloon in the noise
[17:35] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHW-RTG
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[17:36] <DL1SGP> faint but partially there seems to be quite a clear indication of domex
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> Have tree huggers objected?
[17:36] <LeoBodnar> Sending nuclear isotopes to space?
[17:36] <arko> LeoBodnar: yes
[17:37] <arko> i have a story for this one
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> sending nuclear reactors onto the Sun
[17:37] <LeoBodnar> it will pollute it
[17:38] <arko> i was at the first msl public lecture (post landing), and some hippy lady after the talk asked if we are polluting mars...
[17:38] <arko> possibly hurting and killing life
[17:38] <arko> you could hear all the jplers facepalm at the same time
[17:38] <DL1SGP> lol
[17:39] <arko> im sure there is a video of this in the media archives
[17:39] <arko> im too lazy to find it
[17:39] <LeoBodnar> lol
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[17:39] <DL1SGP> when will you have an intern again? archives are the playground of interns
[17:39] <arko> i still do
[17:40] <arko> he's improving, im proud
[17:40] <DL1SGP> lol
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> DL1SGP: are you below horizon?
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[17:40] <LeoBodnar> as seen by the ballon that is
[17:40] <DL1SGP> lol
[17:40] <arko> i've learned to be very patient
[17:41] <DL1SGP> yes, the faint signal now has gone, so could have been soemthing else
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[17:41] <arko> Upu: Willdude123: these are really cool too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Stirling_Radioisotope_Generator
[17:41] <iain_G4SGX> Hey! B-18 Coolio. Was a small geo storm today so K levelS are a bit high but hopefully tomorrow give good skywave again on that freq.
[17:41] <DL1SGP> I will keep monitoring LeoBodnar
[17:42] <arko> i wish i had an RTG, i would never run out of power at the coffee shop
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[17:42] <LeoBodnar> backpack one?
[17:42] <arko> yes!
[17:42] <Upu> wait uo
[17:42] <Upu> up
[17:42] <LeoBodnar> Keep yourself warm too
[17:42] <arko> im calling this now, LeoBodnar will add an RTG to his habs soon
[17:42] <Upu> that has to be the coolest homework ever
[17:43] <Upu> homework on Voyager ?
[17:43] <arko> ^ srsly
[17:43] <Upu> they will be asking you what the coolest way to land a nuclear powered 1 tonne rover on mars is next
[17:43] <DL1SGP> I wanted to do homework on such things and teachers refused
[17:43] <arko> just do it anyway and turn it
[17:43] <arko> in
[17:43] <Upu> lol
[17:44] <Upu> Willdude123 we expect it done by 19:00
[17:44] <arko> "you're assignment was shit, so i did something better"
[17:44] <Upu> we'll mark it
[17:44] <arko> hahaha
[17:44] <f5vnf> you go off air for a couple of hours and he alunches another one ,
[17:44] <arko> your*
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> What you mean it's more interesting than development of modern political systems?
[17:44] <Upu> lol f5vnf indeed
[17:44] <arko> damn i need coffee
[17:44] <f5vnf> does he ahve shares in a balloon factory
[17:44] <f5vnf> * have
[17:44] <Upu> screw the balloons what about the GPS modules
[17:44] <Upu> I'm buying a Ferrari next week
[17:44] <arko> hahaha
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> haha
[17:44] <DL1SGP> heh Bryan :D
[17:44] <malgar> why 26.959MHz ?
[17:45] <LeoBodnar> lol are you reselling recovered ones?
[17:46] <iain_G4SGX> A chance of skywave propo AND antenna is more efficient i reckon. Also JUNO might here it!
[17:46] <g0hww> evening all. can someone give me a centre freq for B18 signal pse? should i expect it to send pips as B-16/17 did?
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[17:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> g0hww: Bang on 26.959
[17:47] <ReadError> what happens with the recovered HABs ?
[17:47] <iain_G4SGX> Theres gonna be a lot of QRM 1 Mhz highe in a few mins.. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/
[17:47] <nats`> ReadError there are eaten by the radiowave kraken !
[17:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep, including me iain_G4SGX
[17:47] <nats`> old spirit living behind the outerspace
[17:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Two more sentences and I'm off.
[17:47] <g0hww> G0TDJ_Steve, thanks
[17:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good luck g0hww
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> It's a mystery ReadError - there was only one recovery so far
[17:48] <ReadError> oh ;)
[17:48] <iain_G4SGX> Watch that CW duty level! goood luck
[17:48] <nats`> any luck B18 going by paris ?
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[17:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, gotta go tune up. See you later folks!
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[17:49] <Benny_boy> evening all
[17:49] <Benny_boy> quick query about my NTX2 if I may....
[17:50] <Upu> you may
[17:50] <Benny_boy> I don't know if the affect I'm about to describe is caused by the transmitter or receiver...
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[17:51] <Benny_boy> when I first power everything up (NTX2 and my PC to listen) the signal starts at frequency x and steadily increases for a minute or so.
[17:52] <Upu> what are you receiving with ?
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[17:52] <Benny_boy> a dTV dongle and aerial
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[17:52] <Benny_boy> One of teh ones suggest on this site
[17:52] <iain_G4SGX> Dom seem very resilient to a carrier QRM in the pass band, not so for a sweeping pulse.
[17:53] <DL1SGP> Benny_boy: did your dvb dongle run for a while before you started your test?
[17:53] <Benny_boy> not particularly
[17:53] <Upu> I've seen those dongles drift
[17:53] <Upu> leave it on for 30 mins then power up the NTX2
[17:53] <Benny_boy> 30 mins! Wow!
[17:53] <Upu> well
[17:53] <Upu> 10
[17:53] <Benny_boy> Okey dokey
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> Yes since it is encoding information in frequency shifts rather than frequency values themselves
[17:54] <Upu> can be cheapy crystals in them
[17:54] <DL1SGP> make sure you use the dongle a while before running the test, the fact that it warms up seems to make it drift. also use a small usb patch to distance it from your fan if the fan for your computer should blow hot air at it
[17:54] <Upu> the NTX2 is unlikely to drift unless you have power supply issues or the temperature is changing rapidly
[17:54] <Benny_boy> ahhhhh. It's just for test purposes anyway
[17:54] <Willdude123> Upu sorry haven't started yet :)
[17:54] <Upu> I know Maxwell had issues with a drifty R820 based dongle
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> James?
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[17:56] <Benny_boy> So how do the tracking stations follow the signals from the NTX2s as they move through the air column? If they're so picky about the temperature, does teh base station just listen of a broad frequency range?
[17:57] <Upu> dl-fldigi can with certain radios automatically compensate for drift
[17:57] <Upu> otherwise its a manual retune job
[17:57] <Benny_boy> Ug
[17:57] <Upu> dl-fldigi can only "see" 3000Hz of spectrum at once anyway
[17:58] <Upu> 6000 even
[18:01] <iain_G4SGX> LeoBodnar: Whats the antenna this time? Its nice and strong.
[18:01] <Willdude123> Not too sure how to start it "On August 20th 1977 the Voyager 2 probe launched from Cape Canaveral, in the state of Florida. " sounds to cliche
[18:01] <LeoBodnar> just a dipole
[18:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Upu, I have fldigi to 4KHz how t 6KHz ?
[18:02] <Willdude123> "Voyager probes are probes that fly around space" is too dull
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[18:03] <iain_G4SGX> Couple of weak FM carriers keep appearing but the decoder handles it nicely. Nice work. I suppose you use the same board but change the PA o/p filters?
[18:04] <iain_G4SGX> No perceptible drift at all.
[18:05] <iain_G4SGX> Lets hope conds return to how they were a day ago before the geo storm, already settling down.
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[18:07] <Willdude123> In year 7 I had a piece of homework on different types of medical scans. I did 7 pages of it. It's never been marked. I don't want to do that again.
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> iain_G4SGX: yes, just replacing LPF
[18:09] <iain_G4SGX> Yesterday WSPR stations were working getting world wide on 10M
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> We need to do a sort of virtual round table sometime on these HF experiments.
[18:09] <Willdude123> Upu were the two craft structurally identical?
[18:09] <Upu> Willdude123 "Voyager probes are currently the furthest man made object from Earth. Its likely when the earth is consumed by the sun that these probes will be the only evidence that man ever existed"
[18:09] <Upu> yes
[18:09] <Willdude123> Wow.
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> Nicely put
[18:09] <Willdude123> Amazing. Can I copy it?
[18:10] <malgar> Upu: not only Voyagers but also Pioneer 10 and 11, and New Horizons
[18:11] <Upu> which also use RTG's
[18:11] <Upu> or did
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[18:11] <arko> nice hook
[18:11] <malgar> sure
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[18:12] <Upu> http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/fastfacts.html
[18:12] <arko> RTG is about the only way to power your craft in deep space
[18:12] <Willdude123> I could put at the end. Unfortunately due to the lack of government funding this piece of homework had to be cut short.
[18:12] <Upu> lol you could
[18:12] <Upu> but you'll get detention
[18:12] <arko> hahaha
[18:12] <Willdude123> So far I have a pretty good track record.
[18:12] <Willdude123> One detention, one isolation.
[18:12] <Upu> they use G-TOR PSK to communicate with Earth via the DSN
[18:13] <Upu> Golay TOR
[18:13] <Willdude123> In 2 and a bit years.
[18:13] <Willdude123> Not one detention was for homework that took the mickey.
[18:13] <Upu> Golay-Teleprinting Over Radio
[18:13] <Upu> @ 100 baud
[18:13] <Willdude123> Upu have you seen Jesus on toast?
[18:13] <Upu> yes I've seen Cheesus too
[18:14] <iano__> Hi guys...I have a question for you. I'm a novice, trying to pull a launch together for the 19th Oct, part educational, part filming our new company logo!! I'm a little stuck on the radio tracking. We have a Habduino, with radio transmitter and GPS, and I've bought a FCD+, but am having problems getting it running on a mac. I had a realtek dongle which worked fine with GQRX and picked up the radio signal, but I've had problems w
[18:14] <arko> http://isthegovernmentshutdown.com/
[18:14] <Willdude123> It was a piece of art homework. No detention for that.
[18:14] <Upu> http://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2008/07/29/r_1217373051_photo_servlet.jpg
[18:14] <jonsowman> arko: I enjoyed "America was not shut down properly. Would you like to start America in safe mode, with free healthcare and without the guns? (Recommended)"
[18:14] <arko> hahaha
[18:14] <Upu> yes :)
[18:14] <arko> yes
[18:14] <Upu> that was most amusing
[18:15] <Willdude123> For the people who have no clue what I'm on about: http://imgur.com/5b4xv75
[18:15] <Upu> anyway yes Willdude123 Voyagers 1 & 2 are just amazing
[18:15] <Willdude123> Yes.
[18:15] <Upu> on that note afk cooking
[18:15] <arko> do them justice, write an awesome paper
[18:16] <Willdude123> I think I'm going to waffle on about them
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[18:16] <Willdude123> I was told not to but who cares?
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[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:17] <DL1SGP> welcome back Lunar_Lander
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[18:19] <mfa298> iano__: it should be possible to get the fcd Pro+ working on a mac - I think others have done it. If it's similar to linux you might need to upgrade versions of gnuradio etc.
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[18:19] <Willdude123> Does anyone have a source for their G-Tor PSK usage?
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> In FORTRAN?
[18:20] <nats`> is it me or B-18 emit on the CB band ?!
[18:21] <Upu> Willdude123 http://science.howstuffworks.com/question431.htm
[18:21] <DutchMillbt_> G4SGX ?
[18:21] <iain_G4SGX> yes?
[18:21] <Willdude123> OK. I'm not citing sources, but it's useful to know where everything came from. Thanks
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> It's ISM nats`
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[18:22] <Upu> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=q_yq7zvehjoC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=voyager+radio+g-tor&source=bl&ots=qGp0wASRcM&sig=JyfCdZrAP5PWjp0E39kbJThG6OA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r55VUvbpD_GZ0AWv84HwAw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=voyager%20radio%20g-tor&f=false
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[18:22] <bertrik> not receiving anything yet here from B-18 at revspace, the hague, netherlands
[18:22] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
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[18:22] <DutchMillbt_> Good evening what's your freq. dail for B18
[18:22] <iain_G4SGX> My dial on B-18 is 26.95928 and its centered on 1000Khz. That's accurate to +-3 Hz.
[18:22] <DutchMillbt_> oke thankz
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[18:23] <iain_G4SGX> Its nice and strong or me on a small delta loop, should be ok well over the blue i reckon
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[18:25] <DutchMillbt_> Hi iain_G4SGX ....local CB traffic here ...
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[18:26] <nats`> yep for deutschland it's CB band
[18:26] <iain_G4SGX> I see faint carriers here only.
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[18:26] <LeoBodnar> I thought it's outside EU CB but inside USA CB allocation
[18:26] <nats`> nop USA have the same as europe (almost the same)
[18:27] <nats`> but deutschland is an exception
[18:27] <iain_G4SGX> a lot o 'extra channel' uk rigs out there
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> Or is it not harmonised yet?
[18:27] <nats`> they have 2 standard
[18:27] <nats`> CEPT and federal standard
[18:27] <iain_G4SGX> some go right into 10M band
[18:27] <iain_G4SGX> russian taxis also
[18:27] <iain_G4SGX> are a problem
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[18:28] <nats`> maybe I can detune my old dirland to try using it again :)
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[18:29] <iain_G4SGX> I had a 'presdient adams' 25 years ago. that would rx here.
[18:30] <iain_G4SGX> and tx! :)
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[18:33] <nats`> iain_G4SGX without detuning ?
[18:33] <nats`> mine do just the "regular" CB channel
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[18:35] <bertrik> got a trace of a line just a minute ago
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[18:37] <iain_G4SGX> Yep, it did USB AND LSB and AM & FM, they're dirt cheap now
[18:37] <jcoxon> another flight by LeoBodnar
[18:38] <arko> is LeoBodnar around?
[18:38] <jcoxon> i thought he was taking a break!
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> Yep
[18:38] <arko> http://isleoflying.com/
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> lol :D
[18:38] <arko> :)
[18:38] <jcoxon> haha
[18:38] <LeoBodnar> I choked on pasta
[18:38] <arko> ah crap, didnt mean to kill ya
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[18:38] <arko> i think this is actually needed
[18:39] <Willdude123> Upu know any good sites on it's trajectory?
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> It takes more than a website arko
[18:39] <jcoxon> so how is 26.959 fairing?
[18:39] <arko> hahaha
[18:39] <arko> now i want pasta
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> iain_G4SGX says it's not bad
[18:39] <DL1SGP> we still have some pasta, with mushrooms, come over arko :D
[18:39] <arko> im just going to leave it as a static page
[18:39] <arko> DL1SGP: i'll get on the flight now
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> are they from the forest DL1SGP ?
[18:39] <DL1SGP> yes
[18:40] <DL1SGP> the ones in the picture I posted earlier today
[18:40] <LeoBodnar> arko he needs a beta-tester for his wild mushrooms, don't bite
[18:40] <DL1SGP> lol
[18:40] <iain_G4SGX> Luckily, this freq goes straight through most buildings mostly so Im not so screen to the east as with UHF. Find out shortly
[18:40] <DL1SGP> arko: http://imgur.com/LcyZGxh
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[18:40] <arko> yeah... im the wrong person.. im not a fan of mushrooms :(
[18:41] <arko> wow
[18:41] <arko> those are serious mushrooms
[18:41] <ibanezmatt13> mushrooms kill people
[18:41] <arko> and trip them out
[18:41] <jcoxon> does it propagate?
[18:41] <jcoxon> or just LOS
[18:41] <nats`> iain_G4SGX you convinced me I'm searching a president adams right now
[18:41] <nats`> same age as me bytheway :p
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> arko you rock
[18:43] <iain_G4SGX> he he. I think it an American rig.. My dad had one, got me into radio via CB SSB two sunspot maxima ago. Worked the world from the car on 11M
[18:43] <nats`> iain_G4SGX what's the modele of president adams
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> almost a palyndrome
[18:43] <arko> haha, you're the one who flys kickass habs
[18:43] <arko> to the point where i can just leave this static
[18:44] <arko> might make it look through spacenear us an actually report info
[18:44] <arko> who knows
[18:44] <iain_G4SGX> Oh, didnt do FM.. http://www.ozcbradios.com/cb-radios/radios-p/radios-president/255-adams
[18:44] <arko> you're welcome to the domain btw, i did it for the lulz
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[18:45] <LeoBodnar> lol please keep it for now it will keep me focused :D
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> it worked for sure! :D
[18:45] <arko> haha
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[18:45] <arko> good
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[18:46] <nats`> iain_G4SGX and you cover what range ?
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[18:47] <nats`> I mean in freq
[18:47] <bertrik> yay, got a B-18 decode on our discone + R820T receiver :)
[18:47] <nats`> officially it starts at 26.965MHz
[18:48] <iain_G4SGX> wo. just noticed it price. Must now be collectable :( Think it was 27 to 28. summut but that is only a memory. They are 'widebandable' from memory
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[18:49] <DL1SGP> good job bertrik
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[18:54] <jcoxon> ping Upu
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[18:55] <iain_G4SGX> Wrong time of day for skywave on this freq alas but 2moro will be interesting ..
[18:55] <jcoxon> is it any good for skywave?
[18:56] <M6PFX-Paul> jcoxon have you improved the antenna yet? I had no luck when i checked on monday
[18:56] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, yes
[18:56] <jcoxon> its a bit better
[18:56] <Maxell> eek, $$B-18,104,1855351.5407,2.3328,5360,5,1.42*a808
[18:56] <jcoxon> let me check its still beaconing
[18:57] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, haha its not
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[18:57] <iain_G4SGX> Yesterday, wspr on 28Mhz was worldwide, crap today though cos of geo storm.
[18:57] <jcoxon> run out of battery
[18:57] <jcoxon> is the qrm better on 26.9?
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[18:59] <M6PFX-Paul> jcoxon let me know when its back up and i will have another go
[18:59] <iain_G4SGX> Having said that, South America is open to southern spain at the moment on 10M
[18:59] <DL1SGP> if it still is in range of my QTH tomorrow evening and audible through my old 11m mobile aerial (suboptimal I know...) I would be tempted to show how to use this hab stuff on our club meeting :)
[19:00] <OH7HJ> Leo, what kind aerial are you putting to your next balloon?
[19:01] <DL1SGP> a 3-ele fritzel beam OH7HJ *hihi*
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[19:01] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, i'll probably plug a new battery in in about an hour if you are still around
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[19:02] <M6PFX-Paul> yeah i will be
[19:03] <Upu> hi jcoxon
[19:03] Action: Maxell updated RevSpace's antenna info: We have a discone: ICOM AH-7000 (and RTL-SDR R820T)
[19:03] <OH7HJ> Sure DL1SGP, for 70 cm one could use featherweight wire collinears for payload Tx. For instance 2 x 5/8 wl or 3 x 1/2 wl.
[19:04] <OH7HJ> Such aerials would boost the 10 mW up to 20 mW or more, QRO! ;)
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[19:07] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: I use 1/4 wave GP for UHF
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[19:08] <Maxell> meh, $$B-18,112,190753,51.5338,2.6843,5309,5,1.43*0,d7
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[19:09] <OH7HJ> Leo, does the GP have horizontal radials?
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[19:11] <OH7HJ> If it has, as usual, you will get more gain when balloon is up if replace the level radials with a sigle downward wire. That will make the aerial a vertical dipole.
[19:12] <prefix> oh1co http://lolspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/061c7e3ef1d3df3d31ac5794a975bb79.jpg
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[19:13] <OH7HJ> Level GP radials are good in urban environment because they reduce harmful interference from down. In a balloon it is a bit different. GP directs lobes a little upwards.
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[19:14] <prefix> OH7HJ http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1922ecs0exx9ngif/k-medium.gif
[19:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Sheesh there is a B-18 !
[19:14] <prefix> also, your name is quite useless
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[19:15] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: yes
[19:15] <OH7HJ> To get the aerial radiate where it is needed - towards horizon - the aerial gives a bit better signal if made as dipole instead of GP.
[19:16] <DutchMillbt_> Maxell heb jij last van de QSO's op 26.960?
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: modelling shows that in open space GP = dipole
[19:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ahh its 26MHz .... thnks
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> apart from impedance
[19:17] <OH7HJ> Also, if use collinears for 3dB + gains, it is again best to use center fed ones. They radiate towards horizon.
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[19:17] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: sorry "yes" was for horizontal radials
[19:17] <jcoxon> remember ERP is legally limited
[19:18] <Maxell> DutchMillbt_: nee, http://i.imgur.com/H4Brbb2.png
[19:18] <OH7HJ> End-fed collinears like the popular commercial ones tend to radiate too high. That means they do not have much gain.
[19:20] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: is B-18 also 10 mW?
[19:20] <LeoBodnar> Earth presence affects radiation pattern a lot. Balloon is pretty much free space antenna
[19:20] <LeoBodnar> yes
[19:20] <OH7HJ> Here is one kind of center fed collinear 2x 5/8 wl for 2 m band. Its driven element made by covering glass fiber rod with aluminum foil tape. http://www.oh7ab.fi/foorumi/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=228
[19:21] <OH7HJ> For pico balloon payload, of course the lightest wire is proper for aerial material of course.
[19:24] <OH7HJ> The aerial of that link is a dual band one, that is why its feed is shown in detail. Single band aerial is still simpler.
[19:24] <prefix> OH7HJ https://soundcloud.com/mr_carmack/day-6-2-kick-it-up
[19:24] <jcoxon> hi prefix
[19:24] <prefix> yolo jcoxon
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[19:25] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: here is what I use http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-14/Images/4.jpg
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[19:27] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> so what do yall talk about in here
[19:27] <OH7HJ> Tnx Leo, I was wondering about that pic which one is GP driven element, the one up or the one down?
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[19:29] <OH7HJ> If it is the one ppointing down, you have the better case of radiation direction, because it tends to radiate down. Now listening stations near and behind it get a bit stronger signal.
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[19:29] <OH7HJ> Sri meant below it...
[19:32] <bertrik> OH7HJ: as I understand, yes, the one pointing down is the driven element, basically the conventional way of doing antennas for HAB as I've seen here
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[19:34] <OH7HJ> Yes, the aircraft style of downwards radiator. However, one gets 1 dB or so more towards horizon where it is needed, by replacing the level radials with a single upright one.
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> OH7HJ: it's downward, there is no upward radials
[19:35] <bertrik> normally, the payload box is in the way for the upright one :)
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> 4 horizontal ones are GP and downward is driven. Thread is just a thread.
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[19:37] <OH7HJ> Not bad aerial for this use, but a vertical dipole is a bit better. It also saves the weight of those extra GP wires... :)
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> There is a GPS antenna on top I though GP shields it a bit from UHF radiation
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[19:38] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> anyone in here like breaking bad?
[19:38] <OH7HJ> The upper wire of a dipole may be used for attaching balloon line.
[19:39] <Upu> HAPPYBASEDGOD we discuss radio and high altitude stuff on here
[19:39] <Upu> sorry but please keep it on topic
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[19:40] <OH7HJ> Yes, they shield, well thought! However, with 10 mW and non continuous transmission you may not need to worry about interference to GPS.
[19:40] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> one of my rommmates has a big radio antenna on his car
[19:41] <x-f> is this the same guy again?
[19:41] <enkidu> anyways, radials are solar support
[19:41] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> my old boss had one too
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[19:41] <Upu> we have previous x-f ?
[19:41] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> dunno, kinda feel like it's a weird hobby
[19:42] <enkidu> if you make vertical dipole, there will be need of solar support outside dipole
[19:42] <x-f> Upu, there was one banned a week ago or so for similar offtopic
[19:43] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> I mean, what's the point of it unless you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse
[19:43] <Upu> fair enough
[19:43] <Upu> ok HAPPYBASEDGOD enough trolling only warning
[19:43] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> Upu not trolling. just telling you my thoughts
[19:44] <OH7HJ> Yes, the radials have double function. If one prefers to use them, one can make GP lobes point to horizon by bending radials, in this case upright after the solar panels.
[19:44] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> why do you like to play with radios
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[19:44] <OH7HJ> This way they both radiate in the correct direction as well as shield the GPS aerial from 70 cm field.
[19:45] <HAPPYBASEDGOD> ok? are you going to go nerd rage on me because I'm asking why you radio?
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[19:45] <daveake> £10 says he'll pm Upu within the next 30 seconds
[19:45] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[19:45] <Upu> he did this last time
[19:45] <Upu> left before I worked out the kick command
[19:46] <Upu> I'm so pro at this IRC only been doing it since 1996
[19:46] <daveake> same guy?
[19:46] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> what does that command do exactly?
[19:46] <daveake> lol
[19:46] <OH7HJ> If bending direct upwards is not preferred, 60 or 45 degree bend is almost as good.
[19:46] <Upu> stops him rejoining
[19:46] <Upu> but then you follow it up with a kick
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> oh cool
[19:46] ibanezmatt13 kicked from #highaltitude by Upu: it is
[19:46] <mfa298> Not sure it was the same guy but definetly looked troll
[19:46] <Upu> command works anyway
[19:47] <daveake> yes very troll
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[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> I am not amused
[19:47] <enkidu> OH7HJ: but bending will limit solar effectivity
[19:47] <daveake> The last one (well last one I saw) had previous as seen by googling his nick
[19:47] <Upu> :)
[19:47] <mfa298> at least on some servers +b also stops them sending anything to the channel
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[19:48] <ibanezmatt13> I wish I knew the kick command, that'd be so cool
[19:48] <Upu> that might be why he just leaves
[19:48] <OH7HJ> Enkidu, the radials are bent after the solar panel fastening points, so they won't be tilted away.
[19:48] <Upu> anyway back on topic
[19:48] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: unfortunately to kick/ban you need to be an op on the channel as well. Not everyone can do it.
[19:49] <ibanezmatt13> oh
[19:49] <ibanezmatt13> How do people become ops?
[19:49] <jcoxon> with great power comes great responsibility
[19:49] <mfa298> apart from the odd channels I've been on where everyone has had op's (apart from managers when they use irc)
[19:49] <Upu> seems 26Mhz is better that 14Mhz
[19:49] <enkidu> OH7HJ: still it would not really affect radiation pattern, as firts third of radial is essential in GP
[19:49] <Upu> generally you get asked to do it ibanezmatt13, if you want it you're probably not the right person to have it
[19:49] <daveake> :)
[19:49] <ibanezmatt13> good point
[19:50] <ibanezmatt13> I don't really to be honest
[19:50] <mfa298> exactly what Upu said :D
[19:50] <daveake> Just be glad I'm not an op :p
[19:50] <ibanezmatt13> I think there are other people who should be more glad daveake ;)
[19:50] <daveake> Indeed :)
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[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> lol jcoxon :)
[19:51] <OH7HJ> Good question, enkidu! The essential parts of aerial are element tips. The radial angle is measured from feed point to radial tips. It does not really matter if the wires make a curve between.
[19:53] <bertrik> do the GP wires need to be of a certain length, or just "long enough" to work as a ground plane?
[19:53] <enkidu> OH7HJ: I think that we could try using little heavier QFH
[19:53] <ejcspii> LeoBodnar, how long is the fed element?
[19:54] <OH7HJ> Longer than 1/4 wl radials are needed for some special cases only.
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[19:56] <iain_G4SGX> Yep, fading out band on the blue line, now -15db S/n according to fldigi. Not so affected by buildings though I normally cant get east to far on UHF.
[19:56] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298. Looking at various examples of code for flight computers, the code I'm making looks a bit rubbish compared to most others. Nobody seems to do it this way. Is the way I'm doing it a valid way or not? https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
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[19:57] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: there's often several ways to do something so part of what makes the right way is to use the method that makes sense to you.
[19:58] <LeoBodnar> ejcspii: 300/freq/4
[19:58] <ibanezmatt13> good point. It does make sense I'll admit but I just didn't know if it worked
[19:58] <mfa298> For arduino I think a lot of people have used the tinygps library as that does some of the work for you.
[19:58] <ejcspii> LeoBodnar: allright, so not shortened, full lambda/4
[19:59] <mfa298> but using libraries like that can give other issues
[19:59] <DL1SGP> at present course B-18 should come audible here in about 3h, fun
[19:59] <ibanezmatt13> I think doing it without libraries such as that would be better for my understanding anyway, just a bit of a trek
[20:00] <mfa298> a lot of people will also stay well away from the scanf set of functions as they've had it beaten into them that they're unsafe. However the way you're using sscanf should be ok
[20:00] <bertrik> DL1SGP: we got the first good decode at about 150 km distance, with a setup that is not optimised at all for 27 MHz
[20:00] <enkidu> so 27mhz now?
[20:00] <ibanezmatt13> what's the most popular way of reading NMEA into C mfa298?
[20:00] <iain_G4SGX> I'm going to leave my RX on overnight, in case of skywave when the sun comes up.
[20:01] <mfa298> well testing it on a computer with native compiler you won't have tinygps anyway so you need to do something yourself to parse it.
[20:01] <DL1SGP> I should be receiving in pretty long tomororw if it stays on predicted course
[20:01] <DL1SGP> bertrik: you can see my tower on the map, north east of Hannover
[20:02] <bertrik> enkidu: well, approximately
[20:02] <mfa298> I don't know what the most popular method is. In my code (not arduino) I'm working through the string looking for commas but seeing what you've done with sscanf I can see that might have been an easier method
[20:02] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, it was brought to my attention earlier that I should make all the variables char variables. I experimented with int variables but it persistently failed.
[20:02] <jcoxon> bbl
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[20:03] <DL1SGP> why were you kick Willdude123?
[20:03] <PE2G> B-18's speed is 115 km/h
[20:04] <Willdude123> Too long ago, don't remember.
[20:04] <Willdude123> Oh yeah.
[20:04] <DL1SGP> ah ok :D
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[20:04] <Willdude123> I had some wordpress spam from Mike Hunt and I said that I'd found that it actually means my c**t
[20:04] <DL1SGP> PE2G: B-18 should be careful above Germany tomororw, we got nation-wide speed control day
[20:04] <Willdude123> (I didn't censor it)
[20:04] <DL1SGP> hehe
[20:05] <enkidu> bertrik: exact F ?
[20:05] <bertrik> ooh, battery dropped a bit in the past 10 minutes, was stable at 1.42V for a long time
[20:05] <bertrik> enkidu: B-18 is at 26.959 MHz
[20:06] <PE2G> DL1SGP: However, you got at least stretches of autobahn without any speed limit :)
[20:06] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: it should be possible to use things other than a char* but remember you need to pass sscanf the address to the variable to use not the value.
[20:06] <enkidu> my dongle seems in freq range, but I would need a proper antenna
[20:07] <ibanezmatt13> not fully sure what you mean mfa298 about passing value?
[20:07] <DL1SGP> PE2G: true, but even that is changing sighs
[20:07] <bertrik> enkidu: we use a cheapie R820T "mini" RTL2832 dongle with a discone antenna
[20:07] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Here in NL it's 130 km/h or less everywhere
[20:08] <DL1SGP> PE2G: 130km/h is suggested speed nationwide in Germany, if you go faster and have an accident then you can get issues with insurance. also large sections of Autobahn now are limited to max. 130km/h +/- jam slowdown
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[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, you mean for instance if I was storing the integer 3 into variable number, I have to store it at &number instead of just number?
[20:09] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: this is into the fun world of pointers.
[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> ie, point it to the location of the number varibale?
[20:09] <mfa298> that's along the right lines
[20:10] <enkidu> bertrik: Ill end up with wire antenna.
[20:10] <bertrik> enkidu: we use this https://revspace.nl/images/4/46/KrhFBxL.jpg
[20:10] <mfa298> you'd define it as int number, but when you call sscanf you use &number, then in the printf you just use number again.
[20:10] <ibanezmatt13> and the reason I can't just give it the variable name is because say it had value: 3, it thinks I'm telling it to store it in location 3 and it doesn't know what that is? mfa298
[20:10] <mfa298> in the sscanf you could read it as the address of number
[20:11] <mfa298> pretty much
[20:11] <DL1SGP> is there a solar-panel next to the discone bertrik?
[20:11] <ibanezmatt13> o
[20:11] <ibanezmatt13> k
[20:11] <mfa298> it's important when calling functions as normally in a function the only way to pass data back is via the return.
[20:11] <ibanezmatt13> does that not apply for strings then?
[20:11] <bertrik> DL1SGP: I think it's a solar heat collector
[20:11] <DL1SGP> ah
[20:11] <mfa298> but you can only pass one item via return
[20:12] <DL1SGP> I have a discone like the one you got, a bit different but well. they work fine
[20:12] <PE2G> DL1SGP: OK, I didn't know about the insurance. nevertheless, I like the German A31 to the north (Emden) :-))
[20:12] <mfa298> strings are slightly different as the name (when defined as char string[]) is a pointer.
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[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> oh yes of course
[20:13] <mfa298> you could also define an int with two lines as: int *number; number=malloc(sizeof(int);
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[20:13] <LeoBodnar> So 27MHz does not magically bend hundred miles beyond horizon? It's still ionosphere reflection propagation?
[20:13] <DL1SGP> PE2G: A31, is neat
[20:13] <mfa298> where int* number defines it's a pointer to an integer and malloc then gives it some memory
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[20:14] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Not much traffic often
[20:14] <mfa298> then you could pass number to sscanf, and then use *number in the printf - but don't do it that way
[20:14] <fsphil> is the dial on this 26.959 USB?
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> yeah that would confuse me mfa298 :)
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> bertrik: it's GPS vampire waking up for some midnight blood
[20:15] <bertrik> RS010 from the north-east of france just got a decode with nice range
[20:15] <OH7HJ> Tuned to B-18. Not ried on sky but 26 MHz bends as a surface wave quite well.
[20:15] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: :) seems to be back to normal now
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> Globaltuners or direct?
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[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298, thinking about it, I don't actually need to store time as an integer as it's not going to be manipulated in any way. So am I right in thinking the number of satellites or the lock number, latitude and longitude are the only ones that need to be integer variables?
[20:16] <DL1SGP> as B-18 is still approaching I gonna put out some noise for juno
[20:16] <bertrik> I don't know, I should try the utwente websdr now too
[20:16] <mfa298> probably
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> It usually consumes pulses of few dozens of msec but from time to time turns on for 30-50 seconds in a row
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> so battery depletes a bit and then slowly recovers
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[20:17] <Upu> Leo are you using chip antennas or are you still running 1/4 waves for GPS ?
[20:17] <mfa298> I was thinking about it and thought time probably makes more sense at a string (or use a time type - but string will be easier for now)
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> Chip antennas Upu
[20:18] <mfa298> depending on the data int might not be the right type. remember integers are whole numbers
[20:18] <Upu> ok cool
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> ah of course
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> float?
[20:18] <fsphil> well this is working much better than 13mhz
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[20:18] <fsphil> I'm not hearing anything here so no propagation
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> They are just so much easier
[20:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: Are you receiving B-18?
[20:18] <enkidu> I can hear beeps at noise level
[20:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah...OK
[20:19] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: not hearing anything atm G0TDJ_Steve
[20:19] <Upu> I don't have any HF antenna
[20:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Shame
[20:19] <fsphil> on 28.959 USB, not sure where it really is
[20:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm still sending to JUNO here.
[20:19] <enkidu> mith shitpole antenna that was with stick
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> Technically it's 1/2 wave dipole I think Upu
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> As the body of the tracker makes up a lower radial
[20:20] <Upu> ok
[20:20] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: you might find this is a decent reference for sscanf
[20:20] <PE2G> I don't have HF either, an uneasy feeling when there is a B-flight approaching...
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: B-18 is 26.959
[20:20] <fsphil> er
[20:20] <fsphil> oops
[20:20] <enkidu> for 27 mhz it would be ~10m antenna
[20:20] Action: fsphil fails at reading
[20:21] <enkidu> I got 10m mast
[20:21] <cm13g09> craag: ping
[20:21] <fsphil> what's the audio offset from 26.959?
[20:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry fsphil I should have spotted that
[20:21] <fsphil> I'll leave dl-fldigi on that overnight
[20:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mind elsewhere
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: 1200Hz ish
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> USB
[20:22] <fsphil> ta
[20:23] <fsphil> it's very clear there
[20:23] <fsphil> I think propagation here is better during the day
[20:23] <fsphil> hehe, I've got rtty-itus
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> beautiful signal on Bread globaltuner
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> Breda
[20:26] <fsphil> this is nice and quiet considering it's an HF ism band
[20:26] <Maxell> good one LeoBodnar
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[20:27] <DL1SGP> 13 minutes left on Juno experiment, then back to B-18
[20:27] <bertrik> DL1SGP: what is Juno?
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> I'm on Breda, dl-fldigi failed to update position
[20:27] <DL1SGP> bertrik, short answer sorry: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/hijuno/
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[20:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> DL1SGP: Juno is a probe sent by NASA to Jupiter being slingshotted around the Earth right now.
[20:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, that should have gone to bertrik
[20:28] <DL1SGP> hehe no worries, thank you
[20:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still one more 'Hi' to send!
[20:28] <DL1SGP> indeed
[20:29] <DL1SGP> then sending mail to get their umm certificate :)
[20:29] <enkidu> juno's frequency?
[20:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wasn't sure if I'd do the whole 2 1/2 hours....
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[20:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> enkidu: Best read the website that DL1SGP posted
[20:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Here we go....
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[20:30] <DL1SGP> some totally out of time lid transmitting on my spot 28270 :)
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[20:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> DOH
[20:30] <DL1SGP> yeap
[20:30] <DL1SGP> heard him like 5s before transmission was meant to start
[20:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> DL1SGP: There's no legislating for people....
[20:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> Probably didnt set his clock
[20:31] <DL1SGP> heh personally I do not take any offense in it :)
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[20:31] <DL1SGP> he might just have been excited and keyed down too early, or fell asleep with his head hitting the key
[20:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Premature Key-action LOL
[20:33] <pjm> re Juno, its now back on Xband http://pjm.uhf-satcom.com/twtr/juno_091013i.jpg with low-rate telemetry
[20:33] <DL1SGP> like when you play a shooter and now a alien is coming, you are tempted to trigger early
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[20:33] <DL1SGP> ah bit of a break lol
[20:33] Action: LazyLeopard heard someone on 28.037 who was about 5 seconds fast too. I figure a few seconds probably isn't that much of an issue. It's been intersting listening to the beats when there's more than one TX on a frequency though.
[20:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Last 'i' to do....
[20:33] <arko> pjm: nice work!
[20:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, good image pjm
[20:34] <DL1SGP> as usual your stuff rocks pjm
[20:34] <pjm> lol
[20:35] <pjm> its not bad for old junk cobbled together ;-)
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[20:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> One dit
[20:35] <fsphil> what's the 28mhz frequency for juno's hi?
[20:35] <LazyLeopard> http://missionjuno.swri.edu/hijuno/
[20:35] <PE2G> Bad weather over NL: http://www.buienradar.nl
[20:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> It varies according to your call fsphil
[20:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Last dit! YAY
[20:36] <fsphil> just checking to see if I can hear someone else
[20:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm 28.163
[20:36] <LazyLeopard> s/varies/varied/ ;)
[20:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wierd, the timer says 209 secs but there can't be another one. It won't fit
[20:36] <DL1SGP> phiew that was fun
[20:36] <LazyLeopard> Then you're one of the signals I've been hearing, most likely...
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[20:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, bit of a marathon DL1SGP
[20:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, apply for the QSL now....
[20:37] <DL1SGP> yes :)
[20:37] <DL1SGP> one thing at a time
[20:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep
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[20:37] <pjm> ah i wonder if they will QSL 8.4GHz rx from Juno ;-)
[20:38] <arko> pjm: what's your rig?
[20:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> I bet they would
[20:38] <arko> pjm: im sure they would
[20:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm interested to see what the website does in a min DL1SGP
[20:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Fireworks?
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[20:40] <fsphil> turns out you did it
[20:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Did what?
[20:40] <bertrik> PE2G: are you tracking B-18 too right now?
[20:41] <pjm> arko: 1.8m dish, home made LNA+ down converter, etc
[20:41] <fsphil> the message on the website changed to "WE DID IT!"
[20:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah yes, we did LOL
[20:41] <arko> pjm: are you in the us?
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[20:41] <pjm> arko: no i'm in South UK near Poole
[20:41] <arko> ahh
[20:42] <arko> no idea why, i thought you were the guy who build the dish with goodspeed
[20:42] <pjm> its low to the east at present, but dish has about 2/3 blockage
[20:42] <DL1SGP> pjm it was a shame I did not get to come over when I still was in Southampton :)
[20:42] <pjm> ah no, thats someone else, i know travis tho
[20:42] <PE2G> bertrik: Nope, can't do HF
[20:42] <pjm> DL1SGP: yeah it was, the kettle's always on ;-)
[20:43] <DL1SGP> maybe I come another time and bring GFD-Sven (not DL7AD) along :)
[20:43] <PE2G> bertrik: Listening to Breda GT
[20:43] <arko> pjm: oh cool!
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[20:44] <arko> ive been looking for a dish :/
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[20:44] <Laurenceb_> anyone here used wings3d?
[20:45] <DL1SGP> I used it a long time ago Laurenceb
[20:45] <arko> fsphil: hahaha
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> DL1SGP: any idea how to start
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> i dont know what im looking at
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> how do i add a shape?
[20:46] <DL1SGP> is there any reason that forces you to use wings3d?
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> no
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> i need to create an STL file
[20:46] <Laurenceb_> is there something better?
[20:47] <DL1SGP> use blender?
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> i just want to extrude a 2D design
[20:47] <Laurenceb_> ok
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[20:47] <Laurenceb_> big download...
[20:47] <DL1SGP> big tool, you will love it :)
[20:47] <iain_G4SGX> Do we have a prediction for B18? looks like he's swinging north a little
[20:47] <DL1SGP> I always found Wings3D to be massive PITA
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> heh
[20:48] <Laurenceb_> i cant even work out what im looking at
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[20:48] <DL1SGP> well yes, but blender will help you. and it will be easier to help you with blender as I got it flying around here
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[20:49] <Laurenceb_> ok thanks
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> so i want to do a 2d drawing and then extrude
[20:49] <Laurenceb_> is this possible?
[20:49] <DL1SGP> yes... pretty much so
[20:49] <DL1SGP> you want to extrude a font or something?
[20:50] <DL1SGP> feel free to contact me direct as this is a bit off topic :)
[20:50] <PE2G> iain_G4SGX: It seems to follow this earlier pred: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/19155_trj001.gif
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> It's like a bus route now.
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[20:55] <DL1SGP> hehe
[20:55] <DL1SGP> my friend DL2OAU is listening as well :)
[20:55] <DL1SGP> hope to see hi m on meeting tomorrow, he is so fascinated by all the floaters lol
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[21:09] <DL1SGP> just heard a few beeps
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[21:09] <DL1SGP> they sound familiar
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[21:11] <jcoxon> good range from RS010
[21:12] <DL1SGP> ok locked
[21:12] <DL1SGP> neat beeps
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> is he RXing direct or via remote?
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[21:13] <DL1SGP> Direct is possible LeoBodnar
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> OKey
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[21:18] <DL1SGP> hmm could be qrm that I am getting here, the signal is not just fine beeps but rather a discarge over the entire spectrum with beep first and some kind of ringing sound with it
[21:18] <jcoxon> pager
[21:18] <jcoxon> i tihnk
[21:19] <DL1SGP> why does it appear now?
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[21:19] <jcoxon> that i can't explain
[21:19] <jcoxon> but i seem to remember that pagers are 26Mhz
[21:20] <DL1SGP> most pagers are 466MHz here, others at 2m band for EMT/EMS
[21:21] <DL1SGP> sounds like some wireless data transmitter, almost like the weather stations
[21:21] <jcoxon> bbl
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[21:25] <PE2G> Arnhem/Deelen has low cloud bases: METAR EHDL 092055Z AUTO 31007KT 9999 BKN012 BKN015 OVC034 10/08 Q1010 . No CB's reported in that area. It seems to me that B-18 is above the wx
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[21:25] <PB0NER> 26959 USB i suppose?
[21:26] <iain_G4SGX> Apparently in UK 35Mhz is set aside for low power aeronatical modelling.
[21:26] <PB0NER> NEVER even USE 35 and 40
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[21:27] <iain_G4SGX> I supposwe thats the ground TX only tho
[21:27] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: pagers in .se are 161 & 169 mhz. 200 w at 200m, great antennas.. signal goes everywhere... :/
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[21:28] <arko> stilldavid: nice write up!
[21:28] <stilldavid> thanks, arko :)
[21:29] <stilldavid> kind of a hokey launch all in all, but it worked!
[21:29] <arko> was just buying something from sparkfun right now and saw it
[21:29] <arko> hah
[21:29] <DL1SGP> Rebounder-SM3ULC: pagers in that area are not that famous here yet, and if they exist they useencrypted pocsag :)
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[21:29] <oh2kku> you still have pager networks? I think they were run down here well over 10 years ago
[21:29] <oh2kku> the public ones, there are private ones though
[21:29] <PA1SDB> Loud and clear via WebSDR in Twente, unfortunately that pager makes QRM
[21:30] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> oh2kku: in .se they are still backbone of serious traffic, like emergency stuff etc
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[21:30] <PB0NER> i! bo89te2513,5215,1.4RoT ????
[21:30] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> oh2kku: or backbone.. at least at part of the solution
[21:31] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> oh2kku: going to be replaced by "RAKEL" any year....
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[21:33] <stilldavid> arko: those high altitude photos are easy to spot, huh
[21:33] <stilldavid> this one cut down at 4km
[21:33] <arko> you mean 40km?
[21:34] <stilldavid> no, I wish. the winds were super fast on launch day, so it was just 4km, 13k ft
[21:34] <arko> ahhh
[21:34] <stilldavid> otherwise it would have certainly gone into the Atlantic
[21:34] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[21:34] <stilldavid> and it was mostly just to show the process to the local guys who were interested
[21:34] <arko> oh right
[21:34] <arko> sorry, i got confused
[21:35] <arko> the pics look great though
[21:35] <PB0NER> What is the data interval fir B18
[21:35] <PB0NER> once every 5 minutes?
[21:35] <arko> what did you use for the radio?
[21:35] <Maxell> Wow, gqrx now has PPA. /me likes
[21:35] Action: Maxell crosses fingers
[21:35] <Maxell> reinstalling it all is a PITA
[21:35] <Maxell> :(
[21:36] <PB0NER> Me Radio=ft900 + FD-3 windowm
[21:36] <Maxell> PB0NER: yeah I tink it's every 5 min how at night time
[21:36] <PE2G> PB0NER: It was more frequent than 5 min when I heard it on Breda GT
[21:36] <PB0NER> eindhoven websdr?
[21:37] <PE2G> PB0NER: More like 2-3 mins
[21:37] <PB0NER> ok, I gote some data (I pasted... then lost it)
[21:37] <arko> oh sorry, the question was for stilldavid
[21:37] <arko> :P
[21:37] <Maxell> error while loading shared libraries: libboost_system.so.1.48.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:37] <Maxell> uh oh
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[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid says something here!
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:38] <PB0NER> I guess you need to install libboost :-P
[21:38] <stilldavid> arko: mostly relied on APRS, which was great on the East coast
[21:39] <stilldavid> hey Lunar_Lander :) I do exist!
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> :) yay
[21:39] <arko> ah fantastic
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> btw B-18 seems to head for here
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I'm lucky later
[21:39] <stilldavid> arko: I also ran an NTX-2 from an earlier flight computer, which was how I got the telemetry back after it landed.
[21:39] <arko> ahhh
[21:40] <arko> so you were able to tell it to cut?
[21:40] <stilldavid> it was pre-programmed the morning of with an alt-based cut
[21:40] <arko> ahhhh
[21:40] <stilldavid> completely tested, of course ;)
[21:40] <arko> ok, that was the information missing for me
[21:40] <arko> i must have read over it or something
[21:40] <arko> cool!
[21:41] <stilldavid> I glossed over on technical details for that write-up
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[21:41] <arko> heh, all good
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:41] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: have you got a radio for 28mhz?
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> no NTX2?
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> DAMN
[21:41] <fsphil> what radio do you have?
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> FT-790R
[21:42] <fsphil> ah
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[21:42] <arko> aw man, the hackrf goes down to 30mhz
[21:42] <fsphil> only 406 mhz out
[21:42] <arko> i cant go lower
[21:43] <OK1IKO> hi all
[21:43] <PB0NER> converter
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[21:43] <DL1SGP> hi OK1IKO
[21:43] <arko> gonna use my hackrf in a few weeks to track my balloon
[21:43] <stilldavid> arko: I've got one with the "ham it up" on the way
[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:43] <stilldavid> already have a jawbone
[21:43] <arko> oh sweet
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> the stupid thing is, the XR100 is at uni
[21:44] <arko> micheal lives right near you huh?
[21:44] <OK1IKO> dl1sgp hi
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[21:44] <arko> btw, stilldavid, if you do a hab launch in CO, i'll fly out to help
[21:44] <arko> i have friends in CO i've been meaning to visit
[21:44] <stilldavid> arko: oh yeah? still interested in doing a long duration?
[21:45] <arko> heck i used the excuse of giving a 30 min talk in the UK to fly out there for 2 weeks
[21:45] <stilldavid> I have the envelope, and am more motivated after that last launch :)
[21:45] <stilldavid> December seems like the time to launch, just sayin'
[21:45] <arko> stilldavid: yes! so im launching one for my school lab (so its graded and blah blah) but it wont be floating
[21:45] <arko> mostly just for testing the radio
[21:45] <arko> the next one will be a floater im going to try to aim toward you
[21:45] <arko> 434Mhz/RTTY
[21:46] <stilldavid> sweet. I'll give a listen for sure.
[21:46] <arko> stilldavid: cool, i'll be on break from school
[21:46] <arko> perfect timing
[21:46] <arko> a weebit of travels would be awesome
[21:46] <stilldavid> if you're in to snow sports...
[21:46] <arko> its only a 1.5 hour flight or something
[21:47] <arko> yes! i want to see sparkfun too :)
[21:47] <arko> if possible
[21:47] <arko> as a return favor, i'll give you a tour of jpl when you make it out here some day :P
[21:47] <fsphil> snowfun
[21:47] <arko> hehe
[21:47] <stilldavid> if you make it here, tour's on me, promise.
[21:47] <stilldavid> awesome
[21:47] <arko> dealio
[21:47] <fsphil> and the US hab powers combine
[21:47] <arko> WE ARE HABOTRON9000
[21:48] <Mik_WD8MNV> i think i'm hearing B-18 on u of Twente websdr
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[21:48] <stilldavid> http://www.flickr.com/photos/84935701@N00/8441466200/in/photolist-dRWHNG
[21:48] <stilldavid> if you need convincing :)
[21:49] <arko> :O
[21:49] <arko> ski heaven
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:49] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> mm, 125 listeners @ twente. pretty amazing
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> isn't boulder like
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> in a desert?
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[21:49] <PB0NER> but just to be sure it is USB right?
[21:49] <stilldavid> Lunar_Lander: a high desert, I suppose.
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:50] <stilldavid> a month or so ago we got 17" of rain in <24h period.
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[21:50] <fsphil> they do seem to get an awful lot of snow
[21:50] <DL1SGP> yes PB0NER
[21:50] <fsphil> and really bad floods
[21:50] <stilldavid> flooded us out pretty badly, yeah
[21:50] <stilldavid> new carpet in my apartment today, though! w00t
[21:50] <fsphil> nice
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[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> stilldavid, yeah the flood :(
[21:50] <Mik_WD8MNV> partial decode $$B-18,216,21494eeH.9835,6.7865,4867,7,1.42*4f5f
[21:50] <arko> wtf? 17"? 10" is what we get on average in 1 year here!
[21:51] <arko> nice
[21:51] <fsphil> and you think it rains a lot in the UK
[21:51] <mile_> GE to all
[21:51] <DL1SGP> good evening mile_
[21:52] <stilldavid> this was the intersection at my house: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stilldavid/9727561189/
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[21:52] <arko> holy hell
[21:52] <fsphil> is the offset for B-18 still +1200Hz?
[21:53] <arko> stilldavid: where is that snow photo? Summit County?
[21:53] <Mik_WD8MNV> $$B-18,218,215247,52.0061,6.8541,4895,7,1.42*04c1
[21:53] <fsphil> I'm glad I live on a hill
[21:53] <stilldavid> arko: after hiking a bit up at Keystone Resort.
[21:53] <arko> ahhh
[21:54] <fsphil> it floods around the town, but never the town itself
[21:54] <arko> just saw the title of the page
[21:54] <PB0NER> hmm the ony recognizable I got is '2513,5215,1.4'
[21:54] <arko> fsphil: cray
[21:54] <stilldavid> I just toured the local 911 (emergency line) facility last night. they're the highest point in town and house all the servers for the county
[21:54] <arko> smart
[21:54] <arko> haha
[21:54] <stilldavid> wish they let me take photos. talk about a great system they've got
[21:55] <mile_> Does anyone have experience with building Whereavr tracker?
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[21:57] <PB0NER> well I'm sorry guy's no joy from here
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[21:58] <PB0NER> Went to the club tonight, just came in half an hour ago
[21:58] <fsphil> will be interesting to see if the range inceases during the day
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[21:58] <fsphil> increases too
[21:58] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> stilldavid: when i worked at a uni here they called one day in the summer and said they couldn't reach the emailservers. net was down too. went downtown and checked. 1.5 m water in serverroom. not clever to have next to river.. 10 m away....
[21:58] <fsphil> eek
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[21:58] <stilldavid> yikes!
[21:59] <stilldavid> I'm wondering what we're doing, wanting to host our own site in our new building.
[21:59] <stilldavid> we just pumped something like 20 million galllons of water out of the construction site.
[21:59] <fsphil> hopefully not in the basement
[22:00] <Mik_WD8MNV> $$B-18,221,215747,52.0451,6.9547,4790,7,1.42*cca5 $$B-18,222,215902,52.0553,6.9806,4791,7 j.43*a5fe
[22:00] <stilldavid> haha, nope, on a raised floor.
[22:01] <DL1SGP> on the idea of server room in basement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0gBReKskXQ
[22:02] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> stilldavid: that's good. had a thunderstorm at a previous job. rain broke through a wall about, 500 liter/s or so, luckily we were on 2nd floor and a ventshaft in the other en of the serverroom. we had a 20 long river with a nice swirl at the end.. right down to the post-office...
[22:02] <Mik_WD8MNV> how do i hook up w/ the flight profile for b-18?
[22:02] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> stilldavid: river under the floor then...
[22:02] <enkidu> DL1SGP: idea was good but introduced badly
[22:03] <stilldavid> Rebounder-SM3ULC: ouch :( I remember reading about a bucket brigade of diesel fuel up to some generators in NYC after the hurricane there
[22:03] <stilldavid> http://status.fogcreek.com/2012/10/services-still-on-backup-power-diesel-bucket-brigade-continues.html
[22:04] <GMT> early 90s, new IT data-center I moved into, building being opened day-by-day to us. One day entire system went-down ... toilets not plumbed/connected correctly, and flushed into a cabinet of data equipment. Oops.
[22:05] <enkidu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-9VZubB1uI and I thought, that my server room is nightmare
[22:06] <bertrik> Mik_WD8MNV: what do you mean?
[22:06] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> DL1SGP: there's a Great such video somewhere on youtube with a C6500 where the fan are still trying to run
[22:07] <DL1SGP> hehe
[22:07] <Mik_WD8MNV> in the hab ver of dldigi isn't there a thing where you can get a profile of a flight and it configures the client?
[22:07] <bertrik> yes, should be in the top of the main screen
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[22:07] <GMT> I've decoded a few messages from B-18 and 'got greens', but my c/s not appearing on tracker
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[22:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Click the dropdown on th FLIGHT area and select B-18, then hit Auto Config to the right
[22:09] <PB0NER> yeehah
[22:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its not in there then DL Clinet Refresh Flight Documents
[22:09] <bertrik> to appear on the tracker, you just need to have a callsign and a location set, AFAIK
[22:09] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: did you persevere with Sondemonitor?
[22:09] <Mik_WD8MNV> i don't see a flight option?
[22:09] <PB0NER> $$B-18,227,220705bi =y243,n.1437te6n6,6,1.42d5
[22:09] <iain_g4sgx> G0TDJ: you receiving from uk?
[22:10] <Mik_WD8MNV> $$B-18,227,220705,52.1243,7.1437,4646,6,1.42*25 $$B-18,228,220820,52.1357,7.1659,4539,6,1.42*4cf3
[22:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> I am! Getting the GPS files and collecting the GPS data, sending data to GE, but at present it doesn't seem to be processing the GPS data into co-ordinates
[22:10] <PB0NER> shitload of qrm here
[22:11] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: there was a Larkhill sonde this morning which landed near Worthing
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[22:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't need to rise very early in the mornings, what time was it ?
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> and what Freq do they use from Larkhill ?
[22:12] <GMT> it was after 9am this morning ... burst over Hazlemere and prediction was a few miles NW of Worthing probably about 10am
[22:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right got down for breakfast about 09:30 today ;-)
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[22:13] <GMT> tomorrow won't be any good, should go due south ... Larkhill ones will land in France
[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ought to be able to hear it the Herstmonceux ones are VERY strong
[22:14] <GMT> a Reading one on Monday lunchtime landed v.near to me ... d'ya think I could find it?
[22:14] <iain_g4sgx> Mik_WD8MNV: where abouts are you? Not California I take it!
[22:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> So far only come across the 404.8MHz ones what do Reading and Larkhill use ?
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[22:15] <Mik_WD8MNV> yep... but using u of twente atm : )
[22:15] <GMT> Larkhill is 404.4 and Reading is 403.0
[22:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK I'll but them in the meories to look for
[22:17] <fsphil> castor bay sonde, hourly predictor: http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/castorbay/
[22:17] <fsphil> lands in scotland fairly often, sometimes england or wales
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[22:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wondered where Castor Bay was!
[22:18] <GMT> me too!
[22:18] <PB0NER> grr no greens yet
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[22:19] <eroomde_> interesting paper here on how to spot stuff that has been translated by a machine
[22:19] <Mik_WD8MNV> maybe i have wrong version of dl-fldigi?
[22:19] <eroomde_> by google people
[22:19] <arko> linky?
[22:19] <eroomde_> because google translate learns by looking at documents that are available in multiple languages
[22:19] <eroomde_> e.g. UN stuff
[22:20] <eroomde_> but now people use google translate to translate their documents into many langauges
[22:20] <eroomde_> so google translate is truing itself on the output of google translate
[22:20] <eroomde_> which is obviously very undesirable
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[22:20] <fsphil> feedback loop
[22:20] <arko> woah
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[22:20] <jcoxon> hey all
[22:21] <eroomde_> http://aclweb.org/anthology//D/D11/D11-1126.pdf
[22:21] <jcoxon> for B-18 can we make an effort to keep our station locations up to date
[22:21] <jcoxon> espectially if you are using a GlobalTuner
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[22:21] <jcoxon> just i keep getting excited about long range rx
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[22:21] <jcoxon> but then realise it a GT
[22:21] <PB0NER> $B-18,o35,221935,52.2434,7.3502,3916,o,1r44lnOo$B-L8,oi6,222oF0,50.2533,7.676,3870,6,1.44*3a64
[22:21] <eroomde_> you should be able to message dlfldigi users
[22:21] <eroomde_> via dlfldigi
[22:22] <eroomde_> to tell the specific offenders
[22:22] <jcoxon> eroomde_, its crossed my mind
[22:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Would make sense
[22:22] <jcoxon> or a button that says you are remote
[22:22] <PB0NER> make an Flight Announce only mailinglist
[22:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> especially when habitat gets 0,0 lat/long
[22:22] <arko> eroomde_: coool
[22:23] <iain_g4sgx> Mik_WD8MNV: it should say ' for high altitude ballooning' in the title bar
[22:23] <PB0NER> or make sure the iCal is filled correctly with alarms set up
[22:23] <arko> translating english to chinese a few times usually results in lulz
[22:23] <stilldavid> translationhttp://translationparty.com/
[22:23] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> B18 coming down for good?
[22:23] <Mik_WD8MNV> nope... so not the right one then... but getting good decodes a lot of the time : )
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[22:24] <arko> thats the one!
[22:24] <eroomde_> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/10/09/oops-azerbaijan-released-election-results-before-voting-had-even-started/
[22:24] <arko> i was looking for that
[22:24] <iain_g4sgx> Running window or Linux?
[22:24] <arko> thanks stilldavid
[22:24] <PB0NER> do not forget os x
[22:24] <stilldavid> -translation
[22:24] <Mik_WD8MNV> windows here
[22:24] <fsphil> aww, it's falling
[22:24] <fsphil> can't blame snow this time
[22:25] <PB0NER> something is messing up my signal... I tried....:
[22:25] <PB0NER> $$Bi18,aa7,aao2Yi,5663,7V3925,3867,B,1.44 *1b84
[22:25] <PB0NER> $$18,238,o22i59,5ao2746,7.4095,3855,i1.YG*5c3f
[22:25] <eroomde_> skylon mentioned on radio 4 right now
[22:25] <Mik_WD8MNV> $$B-18,238,222359,52.2746,7.4095,3855,6,1.44*5c3f
[22:25] <arko> nice
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[22:26] <PB0NER> every time the beeps are fine... but when the telem comes... it is distorted by some 'local' shit
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[22:27] <PB0NER> pretty amazed by this anyway... > 200km away from the damn thing
[22:27] <arko> eroomde_: what is this show? sounds like a live play about rockets
[22:28] <DL1SGP> I can make out the signal in the noise but far too faint for a decode
[22:28] <PB0NER> remember I'm close to Rotterdam
[22:29] <PB0NER> yeasu Ft-900 with a fritzel FD3 sloped and it is absolutely pooring with rain
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[22:34] <PB0NER> hmm no joy on greens ... I'm off
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[22:50] <Mik_WD8MNV> b-18 is getting weaker... no longer hearing beeps
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