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[00:11] <Mik_WD8MNV> yay... my preamp has arrived
[00:12] <SpeedEvil> woo
[00:22] <Mik_WD8MNV> now if i can get my upconver situation sorted... and maybe some of the external noise...
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[02:58] <ColonelK0rn> Anyone on?
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[03:45] <PA1SDB> B-17 in blue range circle, but deep in the noise. No decode here now (03h44 UTC) (N.E of The Netherlands)
[03:51] Nick change: Hes_ -> Hes
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[03:59] <LA3EQ> gm
[04:00] <det__> gm
[04:00] <enkidu> argh
[04:01] Nick change: det__ -> DJ3AK
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[04:04] <PA1SDB> gm
[04:05] <enkidu> so it is morning...
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[04:13] <PA1SDB> Yeah !!! Got a green Checksum :-) :-) Some Up's and Down's in signal level. Unfortunately have to leave the radio unmanned now (QRL)
[04:15] <DJ3AK> well done. see you later
[04:17] <PA1SDB> Tnx 73's
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[04:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning, weak traces of B-16
[04:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Problem is decoding, my usb-2 interface makes alot of noice on 13553
[04:27] <enkidu> can you use ferrite beads?
[04:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> they are allready on
[04:28] <enkidu> tinfoil on interface?
[04:30] <enkidu> I had to make some voodoo to isolate interferences on dvb stick
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[04:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> trying a phono cable
[04:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> also makes abit of noice, but not so much
[04:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but signal is WEAK!
[04:33] <enkidu> ah, ground loop plus weak signal...
[04:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so any noice kills it
[04:34] <enkidu> wideband LNA on IF would help you
[04:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lets see on next data tx
[04:34] <enkidu> narrowband*
[04:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> still hear beebs very weak
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[04:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> data now
[04:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> decoding!
[04:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hopefully a good onw
[04:35] <enkidu> I would have to make this IF shifter... but no funds. third month without job. what a shitty country ;/
[04:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> YES!!!
[04:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$B-16,1039,043350,56.1153,9.8878,6569,7,1.38*eee5
[04:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got it
[04:36] <enkidu> GJ
[04:37] <enkidu> its nearly over you
[04:37] <DJ3AK> .hej great!!
[04:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[04:38] <enkidu> I will need balloon supported antena for reception *sigh*
[04:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> data again
[04:41] <enkidu> from my experience, if you dont have good antenna - you will not be able to receive data properly from balloon over you
[04:41] <enkidu> It was B-11 flight over Gdansk that I had no receptions
[04:41] <DJ3AK> Brian, what kind of antenna are you using?
[04:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> seems to make no difference if i use the 6m beam or vertical hf antenna
[04:43] <enkidu> tuned antenna would be best choice... but it would take time to build
[04:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Diamond CP6 i recall
[04:43] <Mik_WD8MNV> B-17... is heading for Ikea
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[04:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> your right, but you might not know there is a Ikea in north of aarhus too :-)
[04:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> And B-16 is passing right over
[04:45] <DJ3AK> Brian, abt. 30 degr. elevation for you. I guess the vertical looks underneath...
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[04:46] <Mik_WD8MNV> ya... but is it open that early in the morning?
[04:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DJ3AK 231.6deg 21.7km 17.3deg elevation
[04:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Mik_WD8MNV i dont think so, hi
[04:49] <arko> GO DENMARK!
[04:50] <arko> OZ1SKY_Brian: nice work!
[04:50] <arko> wonder what the range is like
[04:52] <Mik_WD8MNV> wish i had antenna money
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[04:53] <arko> dont we all
[04:53] <enkidu> its not really about money... in this range antenna is just a wire
[04:54] <enkidu> wire plus support
[04:54] <Mik_WD8MNV> i need to build a 2M / 70cm GP
[04:55] <enkidu> GP? waste of money in this range. better build yagi
[04:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> arko 14.56km now
[04:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 26.3deg elevation
[04:55] <enkidu> SP3OSJ has nice one.
[04:55] <arko> nice
[04:55] <arko> think you could have heard it sooner?
[04:56] <enkidu> however, if you really need GP - build one that will have trap separating pole in two sections
[04:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> arko no, i started at 4Z and then here was nothing
[04:56] <arko> aww
[04:57] <arko> so the 434 has better range?
[04:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no question about that
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[04:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-17 is stronger than B-16 is
[04:58] <enkidu> in this range it is hard to match antenna with modulator, especially at so low power levels
[04:59] <arko> cool
[05:01] <DJ3AK> Brian, is B-16 signal improving considerably now?
[05:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DJ3AK not really
[05:05] <DJ3AK> ok, thanks. I am curious when B-16 gets lost again.
[05:09] <LA3EQ> is B16 transmitting long dashes?
[05:11] <arko> haha, poland and slovakia seem like they want to say "nooo go our way!"
[05:12] <arko> thats an impressive number of towers
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[05:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> alarm ringing, time to really get up :-)
[05:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> first alarm was the hab alarm
[05:16] <arko> thats the spirit
[05:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so now i got a problem, what to do, keep it on B-16 when i leave for work or change to B-17
[05:17] <enkidu> I feel I have 434 antenna cable here...
[05:18] <enkidu> it is. still connected
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[05:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> B-16 must be the closest pass ever here
[05:20] <DJ3AK> 13 MHz ISM is special
[05:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> my own launch didnt even get this close
[05:21] <DJ3AK> luckily B-16 did not hit your vertical ;-)
[05:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe. i was outside to see if i could see any sunlight reflactions of it, it passed just before sunrise. But no
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[05:25] <DJ3AK> I tried the same with B-11 directly above me, but could not see it
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[05:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Unless someone else starts tracking B-17 soon, ill better switch to B-17 before i leave on ½ hour. B-16 is getting very weak again, i will not be able to hear it for much more than an hour.
[05:28] <DJ3AK> yes that makes sense
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[05:30] <OZ1SKY_Brian> beeps are abit intermitted now and then
[05:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I would say you need to be inside the 5deg ring, to be able to decode B-16
[05:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Its allready very weak again
[05:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> unless you got a good beam and noice free location
[05:34] <Upu> nice one Brian
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[05:35] <Upu> yeah I think the idea of B-16 was to be able ot RX outside the 5' :)
[05:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Morning Anthony. hehe yes it is really really weak
[05:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> allready down to -8dB s/n
[05:35] <DJ3AK> Brian very interesting to see how 13 MHz performs. Now I must also leave. Have a nice day and see you later, Detlef.
[05:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and its only 27km away
[05:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DJ3AK have a good one detlef, 73
[05:36] <DJ3AK> tnx
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[05:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> I thinks people are starting up now and starting crappy eletronics, static is on the rise.
[05:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not sure i can hold on to B-16 much longer
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[05:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Cars starting to drive by, or should i say portable QRM generators
[05:44] <Upu> heh
[05:45] <Upu> I'd switch to B-17
[05:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes ill better, max ½hour more of B-16 if im lucky. So ill switch in 15min before leaving for work
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[05:51] <jcoxon> B-16!
[05:51] <jcoxon> hooray
[05:52] <Upu> flying right over Brians house :)
[05:52] <jcoxon> and B-17
[05:52] <jcoxon> guess thats LOS
[05:53] <Upu> Suspect so
[05:53] <Darkside> definitely so
[05:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes it been for some time now, but if i plug in the UHF, i get abit more qrm and that kills of b-16
[05:54] <Upu> I would switch
[05:54] <Upu> as we only have 1 person on B-17
[05:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so ill keep on b-16 for about 10 more min and then switch to b-17 before leaving for work
[05:54] <Upu> and they are likely to go out of range soon
[05:55] <jcoxon> well it just confirms the trajectory
[05:55] <jcoxon> there is a swedish GT i think on the way that people could listen through
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[05:59] <DL7AD> got your mail OZ1SKY_Brian
[05:59] <DL7AD> btw good morning
[05:59] <DL7AD> have to leave soon as well
[06:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maybe i should call in sick, LOL
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[06:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> more important stuff to do here :-)
[06:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok ill switch to B-17 now
[06:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gotta go, have a good day everyone
[06:04] <Upu> have fun !
[06:04] <DL7AD> bye
[06:04] <DL7AD> i will leave too
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[06:16] <x-f> morning
[06:18] <enkidu> hello
[06:18] <enkidu> sun is shining in cctv
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[06:27] <oh1eez> Hello Markus!
[06:27] <oh1eez> Have you heard any ballons?
[06:28] <OH1MN> Hi Jyrki-san! You got station monitoring at home? Yes relayed the B-15 last weekend, nil yet from this B-17...
[06:29] <OH1MN> its seems that its not coming this way...Changing destination / course... we will see how winds go
[06:29] <oh1eez> no sorry, I do not have UHF SSB rig :(
[06:30] <OH1MN> didnt u have a ft817?
[06:30] <oh1eez> btw, why they use SSB?
[06:30] <oh1eez> not any more
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[06:30] <Mik_WD8MNV> get the RTL dongle, they're cheap
[06:31] <OH1MN> oh, my mistake... well dominoEX16...
[06:31] <fsphil> AM and FM are very wasteful when you only have 10mw
[06:31] <oh1eez> good answers, tnx
[06:31] <eroomde> MFSK as wide as you can is The Way
[06:31] <eroomde> for large M
[06:31] <eroomde> when power limited
[06:32] <OH1MN> Jyrki, I have an 817...but still missing someone to solder the new fets into the rfboard :) so its only RX now...
[06:32] <OH1MN> eroomde - So true. better not use am/fm :)
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[06:34] <ibanezmatt13> morning
[06:34] <eroomde> morning
[06:34] <eroomde> good day to be alive huh ibanezmatt13
[06:34] <ibanezmatt13> certainly is ;)
[06:35] <f5vnf> evry day is a good day to be alive
[06:36] <f5vnf> *every
[06:36] <eroomde> f5vnf: ibanezmatt13 wired his first mains plug yesterday
[06:36] <eroomde> and so was not as confident as usual about being alive today!
[06:36] <ibanezmatt13> and was doubtful about doing it
[06:37] <ibanezmatt13> I was calculating the current draw using I=P/V to find a suitable fuse and the current was much lower than I thought, so I shoved a 3A in
[06:38] <ibanezmatt13> just shy of 0.3A
[06:38] <eroomde> yeah, when V is nice and high you often don't need much current
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[06:38] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[06:38] <eroomde> one o the reasons the british are more into tea apparently is because we're much more easily about to boil water than the americans
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[06:38] <eroomde> we can have 3kW kettles quite easily
[06:39] <eroomde> that's 12A at 240V
[06:39] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, higher voltages make sense
[06:39] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zdOfhpe6rQ
[06:39] <eroomde> to get a 3kW kettle in the US would need 24A - much thicker than most household mains cables are rated for!
[06:40] <x-f> but.. you drank tea a lot even before electric kettles :)
[06:41] <eroomde> i love his face at 1.20
[06:41] <eroomde> x-f: yes there is that
[06:41] <ibanezmatt13> haha yeah
[06:41] <eroomde> but we might drink less now if it took 10 minutes to boil a teapot's worth of water
[06:42] <f5vnf> no just longer tea breaks
[06:43] <eroomde> our version of continental lunch breaks
[06:43] <f5vnf> why do you think i moved
[06:44] <arko> ibanezmatt13: wow
[06:44] <eroomde> f5vnf: where were you originally?
[06:44] <ibanezmatt13> pretty cool don't you think? :)
[06:44] <arko> yes
[06:44] <f5vnf> Aberystwyth
[06:44] <arko> i've felt some of those before
[06:44] <eroomde> f5vnf: fun
[06:44] <arko> barrell rolls
[06:44] <ibanezmatt13> are they good/
[06:44] <arko> makes my toes curl again
[06:44] <eroomde> and which bit of france do you live in now?
[06:45] <arko> zero g was fun
[06:45] <arko> and the g's on a hard turn
[06:45] <eroomde> i'm english-french
[06:45] <eroomde> dad's side are all burgundian
[06:45] <f5vnf> very similar scenery but the winters are warmer
[06:45] <eroomde> guess they moved the other way
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[06:46] <sp6ryd> Hi
[06:46] <eroomde> greetings sp6ryd
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[06:47] <f5vnf> haute garonne just west of toulouse, on spnu
[06:47] <eroomde> oh nice
[06:47] <sp6ryd> any info about STS-8 ? I left my QTH with radio on
[06:47] <eroomde> yes, warmer winters!!
[06:47] <arko> ibanezmatt13: i cant imagine how he deals with those g's
[06:48] <arko> would suck to faint
[06:48] <ibanezmatt13> nor can I
[06:48] <ibanezmatt13> he must be pulling > 8g at least on some of those moves
[06:48] <arko> crazy kids
[06:49] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: you might enjoy this too
[06:49] <eroomde> gliding aerobatics in a normal plane
[06:49] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE
[06:49] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[06:49] <x-f> sp6ryd, nothing known
[06:49] <arko> oh snap, bob hoover
[06:49] <eroomde> this one has the tea-pouring
[06:49] <arko> love that
[06:50] <arko> good ol boys american attitude
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[06:50] <eroomde> i love the way he takes off
[06:51] <ibanezmatt13> that's pretty impressive
[06:51] <eroomde> by just retracting the undercarriage while rolling down the runway
[06:51] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, do you have a pilot's license?
[06:51] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: nope
[06:51] <ibanezmatt13> I really want one :)
[06:51] <eroomde> after house deposit, i was considering saving up to do one
[06:51] <ibanezmatt13> you definitely should
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[06:52] <ibanezmatt13> I'm 1/5 of the way with my savings, and that's only after a recent earning. Long way to go
[06:52] <eroomde> I flew in a VariEze from san francisco to LA, via Mojave, in feb
[06:52] <eroomde> (as copilot)
[06:52] <ibanezmatt13> nice
[06:52] <eroomde> it was really a lot of fun
[06:52] <eroomde> i got the bug
[06:53] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.gapan.org/
[06:53] <eroomde> buzzing the golden gate bridge with a nice 90 degree bank along the length was a happy moment
[06:53] <ibanezmatt13> I can imagine
[06:54] <eroomde> and the plane itself is pretty awesome
[06:54] <eroomde> 35mph at 180mph
[06:54] <eroomde> 1000nm range on one tank
[06:54] <eroomde> mpg*
[06:54] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, did you land it?
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[06:54] <eroomde> nope!
[06:54] <eroomde> not up to that
[06:55] <eroomde> they have quite high takeoff and landing speeds
[06:55] <ibanezmatt13> Ah yeah, bit tricky
[06:55] <eroomde> need a tarmac runway realy
[06:55] <eroomde> so not the best choice for the uk
[06:55] <eroomde> though i'd like one
[06:55] <eroomde> i could do oxford-cambridge nice and quickly
[06:55] <ibanezmatt13> you should!
[06:56] <tjanos> Hi x-f! do you hear something from B-17 through Vidablick?
[06:56] <x-f> hi, tjanos, i don't here it yet, should be above horizon though
[06:56] <x-f> hear*
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[06:58] <tjanos> Ok, if I rmember well this radio canot tune to 13.5 MHz ?
[06:59] <x-f> doesn't say..
[06:59] <tjanos> plz, try it, if it possible
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[07:00] <tjanos> thanks! i will start the fldigi, if something appeared
[07:01] <tjanos> do you know about the antenna around this receiver?
[07:01] <ibanezmatt13_> right, off to colegio. See you!
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[07:02] <x-f> tjanos, the description says it's a discone :)
[07:03] <arko> damn it
[07:03] <arko> i was gonna send ibanezmatt this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leBcCAlkDgg&hd=1
[07:05] <tjanos> thanks. I started dl-fldigi, not too much interesting on it
[07:06] <tjanos> maybe the discone not enough
[07:07] <tjanos> I visited Breda, but somebody use it, listening entertainment broadcast on it
[07:08] <x-f> should i switch it back to 70cm?
[07:08] <tjanos> yes, ofcourse
[07:09] <tjanos> waht do you tink, can I askt the listener, let me allow listen for a short time?
[07:09] <tjanos> what is the common practice?
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[07:12] <x-f> it's out of range for Breda and nobody has got the signal behind the horizon for B-16 anyway
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[07:14] <tjanos> x-f: thanks the info!
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[07:16] <la3eq-jan> anyone have the excact vfo frequency for B-17?
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[07:24] <DL1SGP> good morning
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[07:26] <DL7AD> morning
[07:26] <DL7AD> moin moin DL1SGP
[07:26] <DL1SGP> moin sven, aus dem bett gefallen?
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[07:30] <DL1SGP> time for breakfast after a lovely morning walk and shopping for farm supplies at the agricultural trade
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[07:32] <eroomde> DL1SGP: sounds like a good start!
[07:33] <Hix> Mornin' all. Passives in 0402 ok soldering by hand or an arse?
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[07:38] <oh1eez> allways by hand, or if you do not have soldering-station
[07:38] <oh1eez> ;)
[07:39] <Vostok> i've never soldered anything by an arse
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[07:44] <LeoBodnar> morning!
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[07:48] <UpuWork> hey Leo
[07:50] <LeoBodnar> hey! Are your eyes back to normal?
[07:51] <UpuWork> getting there
[07:51] <UpuWork> doing half days
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[07:54] <Darkside> win 33
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[08:03] <LeoBodnar> take it easy UpuWork
[08:04] <OH1MN> == oh1eez so i give the radio to you and you guys fixit at the office :)
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[08:04] <OH1MN> "oh1eez
[08:04] <OH1MN> #oh1eez
[08:05] <UpuWork> oh don't worry :)
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[08:10] <M6GTG_Andrew> morning all
[08:12] <fsphil> mornnn
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[08:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Guys
[08:21] <Xphome> Hello
[08:21] <LZ1CLA> Hi :)
[08:22] <Xphome> What is the green circle around the balloons on the tracker?
[08:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Some advice required from the experienced HABbers; Am I better off having my transmit antenna and groundplane under the payload and GPS above or invert and have antenna up and GPS down or doesn't it matter. This is for a foil launch.
[08:22] <fsphil> Xphome: inside the green circle, the payload is higher than 5 degrees above the horizon
[08:24] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve, gps antenna up with a clear view of the sky, telem antenna down assuming it's a 1/4wave + ground plane
[08:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> eroomde: Yeah, I was going to do a simple 1/4 wave pointing down with 4 gps at 90deg points horizontal.
[08:26] <DL1SGP> morning all that came in and back during my breakfast
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[08:28] <DL1SGP> eroomde: yea it was a great way to start the day and de-focus from screen-work for a while
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[08:28] <eroomde> DL1SGP, yeah, i don't do that enough but should
[08:28] <eroomde> I resent the amount of PC time my job requires
[08:29] <DL1SGP> it is my morning routine as long as I am my own master and nobody forces me to be in office at a specific time
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[08:29] <LeoBodnar> morning again
[08:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Leo :-)
[08:30] <PE2G> Good Morning
[08:30] <DL1SGP> hi Leo "TheFloat" Bodnar
[08:30] <DL1SGP> goedenmorgen PE2G
[08:30] <PE2G> Moin DL1SGP
[08:31] <LeoBodnar> Lol goedenmorgen hej and Hyvaa paivaa all
[08:31] <gonzo_> is B18 in the air yet?? It's been hours since your last launch, so it's about time!!
[08:31] <eroomde> hej
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[08:32] <eroomde> i got a lot culturally from my time in upsalla
[08:32] <tr0lli> whatever floats your...balloon
[08:32] <LeoBodnar> I have been to Helsinki about 15 or 20 times, love it
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> I can see STN-8N is still going somewhere
[08:33] <Xphome> eroomde, Uppsala?
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> *STS-8N
[08:34] <DL1SGP> Helsinki is pretty :) have not seen too much of it on my trip cause we had 12h drive up into northern Finland before arriving at final destination
[08:35] <eroomde> Xphome, yes
[08:35] <eroomde> with the extra P
[08:35] <tr0lli> er, are 16 and 17 on the same platform ?
[08:35] <eroomde> and not the extra L
[08:35] <tr0lli> do i really need to flip my 20 m beam vertical ;-)
[08:36] <DL1SGP> tr0lli: B-16 is HF Balloon on 13.553 MHz B-17 is on 434.500 MHz 70cm ISM
[08:36] <tr0lli> really separate balloons, or combined ?
[08:36] <DL1SGP> separate
[08:36] <tr0lli> ok, great fun :-)
[08:37] <tr0lli> so, a 5 m fishing rod onto my tin sheet roof...
[08:37] <DL1SGP> B-16 uses 10mW transmission power into some "unmatched" dipole, so best chances for hearing it is when you come into green circle on the map
[08:38] <DL1SGP> but trying never hurts :)
[08:39] <tr0lli> i enjoy a really quiet qth (was a lot of work though)
[08:39] <eroomde> what did you do?
[08:39] <eroomde> kill all your neighbours?
[08:39] <tr0lli> for starters, my nearest neighbour is about 500 m away ;-)
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[08:41] <eroomde> so within spiner range
[08:41] <eroomde> sniper*
[08:42] <tr0lli> ferrite, cutting ground loops, swapping switch mode power supplie to linear, loop antennas for hf rx, passive noise cancelling, drastic family stuff you don't want to hear (e.g. allowed tv time) etc.
[08:42] <LeoBodnar> typical ham needs to get rid of people so they won't interfere with talking to other people :)
[08:42] <tr0lli> :-)
[08:43] <eroomde> neighbours want to talk about things other than weather and signal quality
[08:43] <eroomde> wierd
[08:43] <eroomde> they have to go
[08:43] <daveake> lol
[08:43] <LeoBodnar> You need to open ham Bed & Breakfast tr0lli
[08:43] <tr0lli> or remote radio operation like the amateur (and professional) astronomers do in the andes
[08:44] <LeoBodnar> they cam around with electronic wristwatches!
[08:44] <daveake> I wonder if the first moon resident will be a ham
[08:44] <eroomde> i suspect the radio telescopes would be quite upset if a bunch of hams took up residence near them
[08:44] <LeoBodnar> I think there is an area in the US where any electronic/electric stuff is prohibited
[08:44] <eroomde> "name here mike. equipment yaesu ft817, 3 el yagi. fine business"
[08:45] <mfa298> need a big switch on the incomming mains feed: House / Shack
[08:45] <daveake> ha
[08:45] <eroomde> "name here aricebo. equipment 100m dish. fuck off"
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[08:46] <x-f> LeoBodnar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone
[08:47] <tr0lli> there is a strict radio silence area around our finnish radio telescope center
[08:47] <tr0lli> 24/7 monitoring and all
[08:49] <DL1SGP> my neighbors were not too keen on my antennas, and right now they got construction work going on, the electric saws and other tools the workers are using are a nightmare noise wise
[08:49] <DL1SGP> and that is not only NF noise :)
[08:49] <eroomde> yes, must be annoying that a single mobile phone going off on site probably puts more energy into the dish than has been collected by the dish looking at all its astronomical targets in total, ever
[08:49] <eroomde> right noe we have people doing large works to control a bit of the river thames outside our back garden
[08:50] <eroomde> it's very noisy
[08:50] <eroomde> an they start at 7.30, which is also annoying
[08:53] <gonzo_> I'm told that there is an exclusion zone on the joderall site for phones. If a contractor is in the canteen and is seen with one, the place goes silent and he is stared out of the room
[08:53] <gonzo_> and the canteen microwave oven is in a double faraday screened box
[08:54] <daveake> I'm glad I landed a HAB next to Chilboton Observatory on their day off :)
[08:54] <daveake> +l
[08:55] <eroomde> lol
[08:55] <eroomde> yes
[08:55] <eroomde> they have some really cool stuff there
[08:55] <eroomde> they do lots of experiments with tech aswell as routine observations
[08:55] <eroomde> new kinds of ways of doing weather radar and so on
[08:56] <eroomde> lots of low frequency arrays
[08:57] <eroomde> i think james had a fun time thee, sort of treading water while working on interesting technical problems, but slightly off the radar
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[09:02] <mfa298> reading that Frequancy Allocation table someone linked recently (yesterday?) there's a bit in there about the UK radio telescopes, and I think Chilbolton was the only one that didn't have the same rf protection as the others.
[09:03] <eroomde> worse or better?
[09:03] <mfa298> it had no protection in the regs
[09:04] <LeoBodnar> 150MHz band is protected
[09:05] <mfa298> there's a nice list of what bands are used for Radio Astronomy, by which sites and which projects
[09:05] <LeoBodnar> But I know people using model airplane trackers in that band
[09:08] <nats`> hi
[09:09] <DL1SGP> hi nats`
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[09:27] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: i can't select B16 anymore in fldigi. have reciver running
[09:28] <LeoBodnar> you can't see it?
[09:28] <Rebounder> nop
[09:28] Action: DL1SGP blames the goats
[09:28] <Rebounder> i see, B15, B17 , SP9
[09:28] <LeoBodnar> Probably payload doc expired
[09:31] <Maxell> Rebounder: you'd have to click "browse all" next to the drop down menu
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[09:34] <Rebounder> Maxell: checking
[09:34] <Mik_WD8MNV> B-17 heard there was a cool software company in Stockholm named Mojang so it went to meet Notch
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[09:37] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: what do you think about the HF tracker results?
[09:42] <LeoBodnar> Completely impractical
[09:43] <Kev_G7PMO> Mik_WD8MNV: B-16 needs some more redstone repeaters :)
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[09:45] <fsphil> needs more power for HF sadly
[09:46] <Darkside> yep
[09:46] <fsphil> I don't think it's putting out 10mw though
[09:46] <Darkside> not with that antenna
[09:46] <gonzo_> needs that update to the atr licence
[09:46] <gonzo_> AR
[09:46] <Darkside> yeah
[09:46] <Darkside> i think 30m would be a good band to fly
[09:48] <Darkside> i have the gear to fly a 5W transmitter
[09:48] <Darkside> 90% efficient PA too...
[09:48] <DL1SGP> morning fsphil what do your plans for today look like?
[09:48] <Rebounder> Maxell: i see B-16 int the test-payloads but can't select it for no. no B-16 comes up as selected in the main gui at least. but dominoex4 i correctly set
[09:48] <fsphil> DL1SGP: going to have to launch after work
[09:49] <fsphil> not checked the predictions today
[09:49] <DL1SGP> thanks that is what I needed to know :)
[09:50] <fsphil> assuming float: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=53eaa6c8dc1b85ec66f8f15ced3e30c0a1d2e95c
[09:53] <DL1SGP> neat, won't make it into my range but hey... another float for our friends in Finland
[09:53] <fsphil> yea. a mid-day launch would've been better
[09:54] <fsphil> goes out of its way to avoid germany tomorrow: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=3120964932ccb5b90e853095da1d5906b0fce850
[09:54] <Mik_WD8MNV> it'll miss oktober fest?
[09:55] <DL1SGP> they just do not like us any more these floaters :)
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[09:58] <DL1SGP> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=53eaa6c8dc1b85ec66f8f15ced3e30c0a1d2e95c draws a cute picture of a bird on the map :) well with a bit of imagination
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[09:59] <fsphil> hah
[09:59] <fsphil> the big picture
[10:01] <Kev_G7PMO> Landing in Japan, that's ambitious :)
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[10:02] Action: Rebounder propose a "dot" on the predicted course to show the predicted position with present speed.
[10:03] <fsphil> I'll be impressed if it makes it to the irish sea
[10:06] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: @PA3ARK Vanmorgens B-17 nog een stukje kunnen volgen, maar tegen 8 uur al uit zicht. Op naar B-18. Kost blijkbaar niks die dingetjes #UKHAS
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[10:13] <DL1SGP> just worked an aussie on 12m JT65 ... heh big fun
[10:13] <Darkside> blah, jt65
[10:13] <Darkside> what was the SNR on his signal
[10:13] <Darkside> i wonder if 10m is open..
[10:14] <gonzo_> cb
[10:14] <DL1SGP> -15db Darkside
[10:14] <Darkside> blah
[10:14] <Darkside> not useful
[10:14] <Darkside> i cant have a proper QSO with that
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[10:14] <DL1SGP> that's not my fault :)
[10:14] <Darkside> i want to chat with someone, not just callsign 73
[10:15] <Rebounder> Darkside: chat slow? ;)
[10:15] <Darkside> bleh
[10:16] <Darkside> its more you cant put arbitrary data into JT65
[10:16] <Darkside> well, not easly
[10:16] <DL1SGP> you are limited to 13 signs :)
[10:16] <DL1SGP> chars
[10:16] <DL1SGP> erm whatever
[10:16] <Darkside> yeah its a bit crap
[10:16] <Darkside> i prefer modes like olivia
[10:16] <Darkside> they work below the noise too, but you get decent throughput
[10:16] <Darkside> and can have a good ragchew
[10:18] <DL1SGP> I can do Olivia :)
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[10:20] <Darkside> hehe, i can't atm, my antenna is down
[10:20] <DL1SGP> that's not my fault either :)
[10:21] <Darkside> :P
[10:21] <DL1SGP> but whenever it is up again we can give it a try if you like
[10:24] Nick change: Brace_ -> Brace
[10:24] <Maxell> lol @ "P_Knol" tweet: "Kost blijkbaar niks die dingetjes" --> "apprently they ar free, those thigns"
[10:25] <DL1SGP> yeap lol
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[10:51] <RAMM25> hello every body
[10:52] <nats`> hi ;)
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[10:53] <RAMM25> how do you do?
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[10:54] <DL1SGP> hi RAMM25
[10:54] <RAMM25> DL1SGP, hello
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[11:08] <LeoBodnar> Nice handover from OZ1SKY to SM3ULC
[11:09] <DL1SGP> indeed, very smooth :)
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[11:10] <Maxell> yay, SM3ULC!!
[11:11] <Rebounder> cool :)
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[11:12] <craag> Hmm some altitude strangeness
[11:13] <oh3kav> could the big lake (Vänern) below have caused the drop in altitude?
[11:13] <craag> oh3kav: Good point, possibly.
[11:13] <LeoBodnar> Temperature went down from -2C to -19C within 20 minutes
[11:13] <craag> Ah
[11:14] <craag> That would be it.
[11:14] <LeoBodnar> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/e7c4f833a090a0a021419cfc573e79a7#g/altitude,temperature_internal
[11:14] <Rebounder> oh3kav: It's deep so relative temp should now be cooler than on land, i guess.
[11:14] <craag> Those graphs should be linked on snus
[11:14] <craag> They really are great.
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[11:16] <daveake> indeed
[11:17] <craag> In fact the temp dropped just before the lake, and has been going up since the balloon was over it.
[11:17] <craag> But will have gone up because the balloon was coming down, so theory still stands.
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[11:25] <Vostok> what's the tx power of B-17?
[11:26] <Maxell> Vostok: as always in the 70cm ISM band: <10mW
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> 10mW Vostok
[11:26] <Vostok> roger
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[11:35] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[11:35] <Laurenceb> no B-17 data for a while?
[11:38] <Rebounder> Laurenceb: OZ lost B17 after 50ish km so it has to come pretty close to me to be heard i guess
[11:39] <Lunar_LanderU> hej Rebounder
[11:39] <Laurenceb> arent you talking about B-16?
[11:39] <Lunar_LanderU> great news from Stockholm for Physics :)
[11:40] <Rebounder> Laurenceb: of course, no coffee yet
[11:41] <Rebounder> Laurenceb: i here the beeps from B17 now and then...
[11:42] <oh3kav> Rebounded: you are SM3ULC?
[11:43] <Maxell> If not, start tracking!
[11:43] <Maxell> If you can hear it you can decode it! (")
[11:43] <Rebounder> oh3kav: jepp
[11:43] Nick change: Rebounder -> Rebounder-SM3ULC
[11:44] <Maxell> heheh
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[11:44] <oh3kav> ok, fine :) oz1sky probably can not hear B-17 anymore
[11:44] <oh3kav> what kind of antenna you have on 70 cm?
[11:44] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> last in was: $$B-17,444,113053,131008,59.0503,13.9622,7636,6,-3.98,0.61*8089
[11:44] <Maxell> Is finland ready? :P
[11:45] <oh3kav> not quite :)
[11:45] <Hes> wat?
[11:45] <OH1MN> OH3KAV - SM3ULC here just a vertical dualbander, but rxed B-15 as it was on the SM coast b4 going to sea towards OH0.
[11:46] <OH1MN> So still have to wait sometime before I get in range of B-17.
[11:46] <Hes> What's the ETA, will be couple hours before going home.
[11:46] <Maxell> yeah last packet was by
[11:46] <Maxell> "SM3ULC,OZ1SKY"
[11:47] <oh3kav> few hours probably until it is audible here
[11:47] <Vostok> damn. i wonder if i'd be able to go and buy a SDR dongle in time. ;)
[11:47] <Maxell> Rebounder-SM3ULC: that last line wasn't green, was it?
[11:48] <Maxell> habitat tells me
[11:48] <Maxell> "$$B-17,434,110647,131008,58.8719,13.4031,7412,7,-8,3.97,0.57*2545"
[11:48] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> Maxell: no, broken
[11:48] <Maxell> it should be inputted manually
[11:53] <beingaware> wooo
[11:53] <beingaware> 40m usa to au atm
[11:54] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> OH1MN: Have put up a dipole on the roof since B15. Should be able to here a bit further east until you here it
[11:55] <OH1MN> SM3ULC: have a beam but some trouble with coax after B-15... need to try and fix for tonights NAC when get home... :)
[11:56] <KD8ATF> Gm all new to the irc here slowly getting stuff together to do a balloon...... I wanted to know how the habduino is coming along?
[11:57] <DL1SGP> Good Morning Ryan
[11:59] <oh3kav> hmm..maybe i should go home to setup FCD + arrow yagi
[12:00] <KD8ATF> Morning
[12:01] <Maxell> oh3kav: yagi sounds gooood
[12:02] <Maxell> do you already have yagis on your roof, or is it all for portable use?
[12:03] <oh3kav> Just for portable, used to work satellites with Arrow on a camera tripod
[12:04] <beingaware> LOL huge pile up on 7.100
[12:04] <beingaware> about 15 stations at once
[12:06] <mfa298> welcome KD8ATF
[12:07] <mfa298> as it looks like you're in the US and a licensed amateur you can probably also use APRS on a balloon payload (UK can't use AR airborne)
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[12:10] <KD8ATF> Sorry at work have to say 73 for now
[12:10] <LeoBodnar> 73
[12:11] <beingaware> 73
[12:11] <Laurenceb> weather in Sweden seems awful
[12:11] <Hix> any RF bods care to take a stab as to what kind of modulation they think this might be http://i.imgur.com/pemCLCj.png?1
[12:11] <Laurenceb> no sunlight
[12:12] <mattbrejza> fsk Hix
[12:12] <Hix> not in summer Laurenceb
[12:12] <Hix> cheers mattbrejza
[12:12] <Vostok> what kind of antenna is needed to listen to an overhead pass of B-17?
[12:13] <Vostok> if i'd use an SDR dongle
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> Overhead? A paperclip
[12:13] <Vostok> oh
[12:14] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> Vostok: I have an R820+dipole here now
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[12:14] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> Vostok: did about 50 km with stock antenna, inside
[12:15] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> Vostok: today 300 km with dipole on roof
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> Honestly, its quite strong within 20-50km radius with any antenna
[12:16] <Vostok> i have some unknown 60cm whip antenna for a scanner radio which i know nothing about
[12:16] <Vostok> that would probably work
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[12:16] <LeoBodnar> lolz at solar flux http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-17/NOAA.gif
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[12:17] <DL1SGP> hyvää päivää Kari
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[12:21] <oh1dx> DL1SGP: Tervehdys
[12:21] <Vostok> heipä hei
[12:22] <OH1MN> OH1DX: Tere Kari
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[12:23] <oh1dx> OH1MN: Hi Markus
[12:23] <OH1MN> oh1dx: u got rx on? for B-17...
[12:24] Nick change: f5vnf -> f5vnf_
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[12:26] <DL1SGP> Hix: do you have a record of that signal?
[12:27] <oh1dx> oh1mn: Nope ;( Currently setting up something...
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[12:27] <DL1SGP> welcome back ibanezmatt13 the mains-socketinator
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> I have earned a terrible reputation... :)
[12:28] <DL1SGP> no if I give people a nickname that generally is a good thing :)
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> haha, sure
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> I'm looking for C code for Ublox Max 6/7 but I'm having difficulty understand most examples. :/
[12:29] <DL1SGP> IMHO it is better to have balls and ask for support rather than doing it wrong and put yourself and others to risk, so my cudos
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> exactly
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[12:30] <DL1SGP> welcome back Ryan, hope you had a smooth start in your day at work :)
[12:30] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, which bit in particlar?
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, not the setting or checking flightmode
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> the basic reading of the NMEA or polling and reading of the PUBX sentences
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> ie, getting the position, altitude etc
[12:31] <eroomde> when trying to do code for interfacing to things like the gps, i've always found it easier to start from scratch and build up the bits i need. other people's spaghetti of options setting can make a simple problem look like a hard one
[12:31] <eroomde> ah, reading the NMEA!
[12:31] <eroomde> you want to write a parser
[12:31] <eroomde> well, awesome
[12:31] <eroomde> it's a super useful exercise
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> ok... hmm
[12:32] <eroomde> and will give you an excuse to learn the c string manipulation tools. to your horror, C is probably the only mainstream language where string manipulation is largely an exercise left for the student
[12:32] <daveake> Yeah, DIY. 1) It's a great way to learn. 2) It's probably easier than understanding someone else's code. 3) You won't pick up someone else's bad habits :-)
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> yes, I'll go have some fun
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[12:33] <eroomde> i would not both with 'gps' for now, but instead start with a blank editor, write some code where you have an example string, and then play with it with the c tools
[12:33] <Steffan-> daveake: 3) You won't pick up someone else's bad habit .. yeah you better develop your own bad habits :P
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[12:34] <eroomde> well, it's just one of those things where doing it once yourself is such a useful experience
[12:34] <eroomde> and makes it much easier to understand other people's code
[12:34] <daveake> Steffan- That bit is inevitable :)
[12:35] <eroomde> because you actually better understand the problem that's trying to be solved
[12:36] <eroomde> otherwise it's a bit like look at someone else's calculaus homework when you skipped the lessons that taught you calculus
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[12:36] <eroomde> it just won't make any sense
[12:37] <daveake> ibanezmatt13 And I#ll +100 Ed's command about not trying to do it all at once. Start by reading/writing characters (which happen to be NMEA) as they come in. Then shove them into a string (char array), builing up a line at a time, and pritnf the line. Include a check to make sure the string doesn't overflow the buffer. After that do the string manipulation (NMEA fields are conveniently comma-delimited so that's not hard)
[12:37] <daveake> s/command/comment
[12:38] <ibanezmatt13> thanks for the info daveake, I'll give it a go
[12:38] <Hix> I have run out of any work, so... I just went and generated some "work" it involved me dusting off the unused CNC milling machine and programming it, then getting something to spit out at the end. Jolly good work on my part I think
[12:38] <daveake> And ignore any feelings such as "blimey this would have been much easier in Python"
[12:39] Action: daveake pats Hix
[12:39] <ibanezmatt13> at haha
[12:39] <Hix> it would be much easier in Python ibanezmatt13 ;p
[12:39] Action: daveake stabs Hix
[12:39] <Hix> heh
[12:39] <Hix> kevlar pants
[12:39] <daveake> I didn't say where
[12:39] <Hix> my wings are like a shield of steel
[12:40] <beingaware> night
[12:40] <beingaware> :)
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[12:41] <LeoBodnar> My Ozzy landlord just came in with lots of questions on balloons - he is very interested in all things bizarre
[12:41] <x-f> http://i.imgur.com/fPWY1GM.jpg - so far B-17 with the precision of a few kilometers follows the track of B-15 on his way to Finland
[12:42] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, do you mean to read it in like this: buf[i] = Serial.read(); ? and keep appending bytes as they come in?
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[12:43] <Hix> x-f sent to hunt him down
[12:43] <Hix> B-17-SAR
[12:44] Action: mfa298 add's a +100 to daveake's leet o'clock message about building it up slowly and the steps to use.
[12:44] <Hix> oh god no! the CNC controller uses VBScript
[12:45] <ibanezmatt13> can't beat a bit of vb Hix ;)
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[12:45] <Hix> you can - with a sh$£%^y stick all the way down the road
[12:46] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: that looks like the sort of way to start, then make sure that you don't go past the end of the buffer (C won't stop you doing that by default)
[12:47] <daveake> ibanezmatt13 Yes, and make sure i doesn't cause it to fall off the end of the buffer (bad things then happen). Also, when you see a "$", you *know* that's the start of an NMEA line so you can reset "i" back to the start
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[12:48] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks
[12:48] <daveake> Anyway, that was step #2 you need to do step #1 first :)
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[12:48] <ibanezmatt13> step 1?
[12:49] Action: daveake repeats ...
[12:49] <daveake> Start by reading/writing characters (which happen to be NMEA) as they come in. Then shove them into a string (char array), builing up a line at a time, and pritnf the line. Include a check to make sure the string doesn't overflow the buffer. After that do the string manipulation (NMEA fields are conveniently comma-delimited so that's not hard)
[12:49] <ibanezmatt13> Right, got it
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[12:56] <la3eq> Looks as if "SP9UOB" is return to base! ;)
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[13:20] <PA1SDB> Test....
[13:20] <eroomde> failed
[13:20] <eroomde> sorry
[13:20] <PA1SDB> O.K., Tnx !
[13:21] <fsphil> points for effort though
[13:21] <PA1SDB> :-)
[13:21] <DL1SGP> goedendag Peter :)
[13:22] <PA1SDB> Hello DL1SGP
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[13:22] <PA1SDB> Good news that B16 was received again for a while...
[13:22] <DL1SGP> yeah!
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[13:22] <PA1SDB> (jus came home from job and read the news)
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[13:43] <x-f> mkay, posted information about both B's on Estonian AR forum, maybe somebody will hear B-16 again
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[13:47] <x-f> i have almost finished building a Slim Jim for B-17 if it gets close enough this time
[13:47] <x-f> but a bike ride will come first
[13:48] <Laurenceb> looks like ice issues
[13:48] <Laurenceb> theres lots of cloud above B-17
[13:48] <DL7AD> second... Laurenceb
[13:49] <fsphil> oh wow, that's quite an altitude bump
[13:49] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: yes there are
[13:49] <Laurenceb> the weather looks awful up there
[13:49] <Laurenceb> prob snowing :P
[13:50] Nick change: OZ1SKY-Away -> OZ1SKY_Brian
[13:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi again
[13:50] <DL1SGP> welcome back Brian
[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
[13:51] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: www.dl7ad.de/norrkoeping_b17.png
[13:51] <DL7AD> Laurenceb: rain begins as snow in the clouds everytime ;)
[13:52] <Vostok> at this time of year, maybe
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[13:52] <Hix> isnt norrloeping in .dk?
[13:52] <Vostok> .se
[13:52] <Hix> norrkoeping rather
[13:53] <Hix> oops yes my bad the .de url confuzzled me
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[13:54] <DL1SGP> hehe Hix
[13:54] <DL1SGP> Hix: did you see my message re: signal on 996MHz or whatever it was ?
[13:54] <Hix> nope
[13:55] <DL1SGP> I was wondering if you made a record of it :)
[13:56] <Hix> ah no - that was a remote flash trigger I have that i am trying to reverse engineer
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[13:56] <DL1SGP> ah... well whenever you get a lil record done I gonna look at it :)
[13:57] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/stockholm_b17.png
[13:57] <Hix> oh cool - i'll ping you when i get something
[13:57] <LeoBodnar> It turns out flying over Scandinavia is a bit more challenging then over Southern Europe
[13:58] <Laurenceb> yeah im glad i dont live there
[13:58] <Laurenceb> land of permanent darkness
[13:59] <Hix> DL1SGP i need to work out if it is AM / FM / USB / LSB inititally, then I can record it and send you a link to listen
[13:59] <Vostok> hah, there's daylight outside :)
[14:01] <DL1SGP> Hix: no way of recording the IQ Signal? :)
[14:01] <Hix> IQ? lost me I'm afraid I am an RF pleb :)
[14:02] <DL1SGP> looked like you were using SDR#, so instead of using a file that only contains sort of a demodulated audio you can record the entire signal in its full bandwidth beauty
[14:02] <DL1SGP> basically the datastream you are getting from the dongle :)
[14:02] <Hix> ah right - yes - That is what I was initially going to do. But I ran out of lunchtime.
[14:03] <Hix> SDR# really doesn't look like work, even if I am scratching for work atm
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[14:05] <DL1SGP> yeah basically on the plugins bar you go down to the "recording plugin" in there you select baseband ... start record... trigger that RF thing and stop record once you saw the signal on the waterfall
[14:06] <Hix> yup - I'll try it later. cheers
[14:06] <Hix> I assume I drag the bandwidth so that it covers both peaks and a bit more?
[14:07] <DL1SGP> I bet you are decoding at 2.048Mbps, that is what it would record. no need to drag, it would usually even ignore your zoom setting
[14:08] <DL1SGP> so basically whatever modulation you chose is irrelevant in the case of recording baseband, it would give me the non-demodulated-filtered-thingamabob signal as the software gets it from the dongle
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[14:14] <Hix> where does sdr# store the recordings?
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[14:14] <DL1SGP> in the folder you got the exe in I guess
[14:15] <LeoBodnar> This is some cloud DL7AD
[14:15] <Laurenceb> its the amazon cloud
[14:15] <Vostok> LeoBodnar: is the solar panel telemetry in some sensible units?
[14:15] <Hix> EC2 cloud
[14:15] <Hix> got it DL1SGP
[14:16] <LeoBodnar> Volts Vostok
[14:16] <Vostok> ok
[14:16] <DL1SGP> great!
[14:16] <Vostok> 0.5 doesn't sound like much :)
[14:17] <craag> They're single cells, so 0.6v is about full power output for them.
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[14:20] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: did the rx in stockholm fail?
[14:20] <craag> haha just saw the date field
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[14:21] <craag> Could we send unix timestamp instead..
[14:21] <Hix> DL1SGP just waiting for upload to complete then you can listen, regular ticks is all i can make out
[14:22] <DL1SGP> okies
[14:23] <Hix> 'ere you go https://www.dropbox.com/s/otbogxs3obdj15d/SDRSharp_20131008_114737Z_903190kHz_IQ.wav
[14:23] <Hix> warning >50Mb
[14:23] <fsphil> a unix timestamp in place of the time would work quite well
[14:23] <DL1SGP> downloaded
[14:24] <craag> fsphil: last 6 digits would give 11.6 days.
[14:24] <oh3kav> guys in OH1 should hear B-17 by now...
[14:24] <Vostok> last fix is received by OH3NE
[14:25] <oh3kav> oh, that's nice :)
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[14:25] <fsphil> craag: you'd save two digits by using hex
[14:25] <fsphil> current timestamp would be 8 characters long
[14:26] <craag> hmm that would work well :)
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[14:26] <fsphil> though if you're going that far, might as well use a higher base than 16
[14:26] <oh3kav> maybe it's time to me to go home to setup the antenna (~10 kms from oh3ne)
[14:26] <craag> yeah binary ftw
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> Or binary
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[14:27] <LeoBodnar> Discussion lap 7 of 99 lol
[14:27] <fsphil> hah
[14:27] <Vostok> where is oh3ne?
[14:27] <Hix> bring out the safety car LeoBodnar :)
[14:27] <oh3kav> oh3ne is in Tampere
[14:28] <Vostok> not on the map?
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[14:29] <oh3kav> seemingly not, that's why I thought the last fix still came from sm3ulc
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[14:29] <Vostok> yeah
[14:30] <LeoBodnar> oh3ne probably did not put GPS coordinates in the configuration
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[14:31] <LeoBodnar> locator does not work, it must be GPS coords to appear on the map
[14:31] <oh3kav> ok, I'll drop off now for a while, driving home to see if I can hear the thing...
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[14:37] <LeoBodnar> What is oh3ne coordinates?
[14:39] <OH7FXK> Evening, can we shoot that B17 balloon down when it goes over the Finland border? :D
[14:39] <LeoBodnar> Permission granted
[14:40] <DL1SGP> take pics or a vid of that please
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[14:43] <OH7FXK> http://websdr.oh2lak.net:8901/
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[14:43] <OH7FXK> 70cm websdr if you want remote track ;)
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[14:45] <Vostok> LeoBodnar: OH3NE is working on entering their location
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[14:49] <LeoBodnar> coolio
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[14:50] <craag> You can use this to convert QRA to lat/lon http://f6fvy.free.fr/qthLocator/fullScreen.php
[14:51] <LeoBodnar> He's on the map now
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[14:51] <craag> Impressive range!
[14:51] <Vostok> yeah
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[14:55] <OH7FXK> Do they use same freq allways?
[14:55] <OH7FXK> Because i can set one RX run 24/7 for one freq
[14:56] <OH7FXK> RTLSDR to my homeserver and little yagi pointed to south
[14:56] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it is the same almost always
[14:56] <OH7FXK> oki, gotta check thing on evening
[14:56] <OH7FXK> but need to go now
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[15:01] <OH2FQV> For Finn's: Balloon is at finnish aerospace and signal appears to me moderately within local qrm
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[15:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Anyone heard B-16 lately?
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[15:08] <DL1SGP> I guess next chance would be Latvia based receivers OZ1SKY_Brian
[15:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes lets hope they hear it
[15:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> So they got SP9UOB back?
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[15:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> what time is it over the latvia trackers?
[15:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah not going over latvia, found the email
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[15:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dinner, bbl
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[15:35] <oh2buf> Some other strange trafic / qrm on frequency
[15:35] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/turku_b17.png
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[15:44] <Vostok> starting to lose altitude
[15:45] <Vostok> apparently OH7FXK took leo's shooting permission literally
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[15:48] <iain_G4SGX> He he, those B-'s have a certain infinity for Finland.
[15:48] <LeoBodnar> hehe sometimes just asking works
[15:48] <DL1SGP> Looks like they really shot it
[15:49] <DL1SGP> neat
[15:49] <Vostok> it's going into the sea
[15:50] <Vostok> temperature is also climbing
[15:50] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=753d66cb9db219f16fef7be4479bdd84a59c1adf
[15:51] <Vostok> oh2buf: Put yourself on the map :)
[15:51] <Upu> if the decent rate stays 0.5 or below its going to hit land
[15:51] <Upu> just
[15:51] <Upu> well 50/50 land there are alot of inlets and stuff around there
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> another exciting evening!
[15:51] <Upu> hmm 0.7
[15:52] Action: DL1SGP gets the popcorn
[15:54] <iain_G4SGX> Street view option on the map would be fun.
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[15:55] <eroomde> just caught up
[15:55] <eroomde> cool, drama
[15:55] <DL1SGP> welcome back eroomde
[15:56] <eroomde> as B17 might end up saying, about its demise
[15:56] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f2185c2765db88fb51f3df368dcc22f3840d6852
[15:56] <eroomde> 'Life. Sometimes it's great, sometimes Espoo'
[15:57] <Vostok> for me it's nothing but Espoo
[15:57] <daveake> is that the finnish?
[15:58] <eroomde> can be embarassing if you haven't finished
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[15:58] <Vostok> Upu: where can you see the descent rate?
[15:58] <eroomde> Vostok, it's in the B17 box on spacenear.us
[15:58] <oh2buf> Vostok I do not know how to put myself in map
[15:59] <eroomde> one of the fields is Rate
[15:59] <Vostok> eroomde: ah, there it is
[15:59] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> OH7FXK: rtl_tcp?
[15:59] <eroomde> it's based on a moving average of the last few datapooitns so it can take a while to update
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[16:01] <LeoBodnar> hej oh2buf you need to insert your GPS coordinates http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[16:01] <x-f> so many Finnish listeners for such a low altitude
[16:01] <eroomde> it's heading towards the Finnish Line
[16:02] <x-f> :>
[16:02] <iain_G4SGX> groan
[16:02] Action: Upu shakes his head
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> chuckles
[16:03] <Vostok> -0.8m/s
[16:03] <Upu> thats freefall for one of these things
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[16:03] <DL1SGP> not enough to make a decent impact crater!
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[16:04] <x-f> this needs more frequent updates when below a certain altitude or coming down quickly
[16:04] <Vostok> I've been to Sottunga, which it seems to hit soon :P
[16:04] <Vostok> it's the smallest municipality in finland
[16:06] <eroomde> bloody vostok, always visiting places
[16:06] <LeoBodnar> retrieval could be finnicky
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[16:07] <Upu> haha
[16:07] <Upu> ^2
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[16:07] <Upu> Still getting green stuff as landing
[16:07] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=7e189dd5c19ae2b90ba4ab1e7d21c5da29f81d60
[16:07] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=9d2c34c6301c3cc7acf8fcd3f45259293116bef1
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[16:08] <LeoBodnar> Vostok's is further inland, I'll go with his one
[16:08] <Vostok> i can make up even more optimistic values for you
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[16:08] <LeoBodnar> Can you make it go up?
[16:08] <Vostok> sure
[16:09] <Upu> you never know as it makes land fall
[16:10] <Vostok> google earth track seems inconsistent
[16:10] <arko> LeoBodnar: nice to see b17 landing! Hope someone recovers it
[16:10] <eroomde> it might land in the sea, in which case you'll need boats
[16:10] <eroomde> wonder who might do that
[16:11] <eroomde> someone might scan - de navy, ah?
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[16:11] <LeoBodnar> there probably more boats in Finland than cars
[16:11] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=8f1d1414fd2308ef6cf28bb637a12d5deb39e4c8
[16:12] <Upu> you hope leo :)
[16:13] <Vostok> that'd be a really swell search landscape with a boat
[16:13] <Vostok> too bad the weather's so bad today :)
[16:14] <eroomde> intentional?
[16:14] <eroomde> also no one seemed to pick up on my last one
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[16:16] <Vostok> leo's ability to aim projectiles at finland is quite something
[16:16] <Vostok> he needs to work on the accuracy a bit more, maybe the next one to Espoo please
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[16:17] <craag> Hmm interesting new ublox M8 chip
[16:17] <craag> concurrent GPS/GLONASS reception
[16:17] <OH1MN> GE...seems B-17 is coming down... well still 3km to go..
[16:18] <OH1MN> hope it reaches ground somewhere
[16:18] <Vostok> OH1MN: Got a boat? :)
[16:18] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> No a lot of land in skärgården
[16:18] <Upu> yeah expect to see it around 2018 craag :)
[16:18] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> s/no/not
[16:19] <Vostok> maybe it will hit jungfruskär
[16:19] <OH1MN> VOSTOK: sure, but if it goes further then Parainen etc... Maybe Hanko, then there are guys closer :)
[16:20] <DL1SGP> did I hear "virgin" ?
[16:20] <DL1SGP> :-)
[16:20] <OH7FXK> I acidentally shot that balloon :> ......
[16:20] <Vostok> OH1MN: My boat is in Espoo and has a max speed of <7 knots, so no luck :)
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[16:21] <OH1MN> Nauvo would be a good place to drop :)
[16:21] <oh2buf> Did not suceed in coordinate entering, but my QTH is Lohja
[16:21] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=af8a0f588556bf85f520cb6e38f39b21cd5add85 newest fix predicts Nauvo
[16:21] <LeoBodnar> Thank you oh2buf
[16:22] <DL1SGP> I see you fine on the map oh2buf
[16:22] <craag> Upu: Yeah, soon (tm). Not sure what their 'high-resolution chip photo' is meant to achieve.
[16:23] <OH7FXK> I need to read littlebit local laws, is it legal to send balloon here
[16:23] <Upu> they told me the 8 series were in the pipeline a few months back
[16:23] <Upu> but the 7's have only just hit full production
[16:24] <oh2buf> I can not see myself..
[16:24] <Upu> still got a way to go
[16:24] <arko> They should send you some ublox tshirts too
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> oh2buf: I have put your callsign and coordinates in my dl-fldigi
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> ANd it is showing you on the map now
[16:24] <oh2buf> OK TU
[16:25] <Upu> yeah right arko :)
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> But you need to work out how to do it on your side as when I log out it will disappear
[16:25] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f5148fff1e9d622aac2f574e76ea25192d5335dd reaching the mainland :)
[16:25] <Vostok> almost
[16:25] <Upu> it will stay for 24 hours now LeoBodnar
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> I have used 60.25 and 24.068 for coordinates
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> Ah, cool
[16:26] <arko> I think b17 doesnt know how to land
[16:26] <LeoBodnar> what was the problem you had oh2buf ?
[16:26] <Vostok> arko: just the opposite, i think he tries to aim to Genböle airfield
[16:26] <arko> Hahaha
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[16:27] <arko> It probably just contacted the tower notifying them about the approach
[16:27] <Vostok> on which, incidentally, an ultralight aircraft trapped in bad weather managed to land on earlier today, escorted by two helicopters :)
[16:27] <OH1MN> OH7FXK: do u use finham. 2AUE just wrote about one...small enoghf not to need too much authorisations from trafi or ilmailulaitos...
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[16:27] <arko> Getting in the right glide slope
[16:27] <Vostok> genböle is a 300 meter farmers field airstrip, no tower. ;)
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[16:27] <arko> Haha
[16:27] <arko> Fair enough
[16:27] <Vostok> so the balloon is free to maneuver in uncontrolled airspace at its own discretion
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[16:28] <Vostok> well actually it's still in controlled airspace, but anyway :)
[16:28] <oh2buf> Normal windows & invalid user problems..
[16:29] <eroomde> yeah, invalids can't get through windows
[16:29] <eroomde> need ramps and stuff
[16:30] <oh2buf> yep
[16:31] <x-f> what is the weather like there, oh2buf?
[16:31] <OH7FXK> OH1MN: Nope, there is couple guys who does not like me, so better to stay away from that channel
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[16:32] <LeoBodnar> Turku shows 13C and rain
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[16:33] <x-f> thanks
[16:34] <Vostok> temperature reached 0C
[16:34] <Vostok> maybe it will rise again
[16:34] <OH7FXK> B-16 misses Finland :<
[16:35] <LeoBodnar> I'll see you in 30 minutes guys, going home
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[16:36] <OH1MN> If keeps dropping at same rate about, then Kemiö could be possible.
[16:36] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> OH7FXK: :)
[16:36] <oh2buf> clowdy some rain drops and +12 degree
[16:37] <DL1SGP> and pitch dark night I assume :-)
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[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:38] <Lunar_Lander> B-17 on approach to landing?
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[16:39] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=a794d0c8acb203966d3255ef87be4af402abe55a same predicted landing spot as previously
[16:39] <DL1SGP> hi Lunar_Lander, welcome back
[16:39] <Lunar_Lander> thanks DL1SGP hello :)
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[16:39] <DL1SGP> :)
[16:41] <OH1MN> Pitch dark here and small drops coming now and then.. typical autum wx here in Turku. Actually 20km north from city center but still Turku
[16:41] <Vostok> of all the wonderful places in finland, why Turku!
[16:42] <Vostok> poor balloon
[16:42] <OH1MN> Vostok: hahaha :)
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[16:42] <DL1SGP> it was shot too early :)
[16:42] <OH1MN> will more likely go to Pargas and so be saved from Turku :)
[16:43] <DL1SGP> yay! *\o/*
[16:44] <Babs___> Afternoon all - question on dlfldigi if that's ok
[16:45] <x-f> is that a chearleader emoticon, DL1SGP?
[16:45] <OH1MN> oh2buf: ur gps location landed u almost at my parents QTH... :) missing 50m or so... hahah. Yday tested and had so send multiple times new coordinates to get tower to right place on map
[16:45] <Babs___> If I have the relevant maps cached on google, and can receive a signal through fldigi but have no internet access, is there anyway if taking spacenear .us or the code for it and still be able to use it?
[16:46] <Babs___> Ie if I am somewhere out of Europe, on my own in the middle of nowhere but still want to track?
[16:46] <Babs___> Or is it a case of using fldigi and plotting manually?
[16:46] <Babs___> Thanks
[16:46] <DL1SGP> yes x-f it is the "AFCS" ASCII FLOAT CHEERLEADER SQUAD
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[16:47] <craag> Babs___: Currently plotting manually on some OSM-based software is probably easiest. Unless you have an android device and can use Matt's app (which does that automatically from audio input).
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> Vantaa rocks!
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> (because of Vaisala)
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello craag
[16:47] <craag> Hey Lunar_Lander
[16:47] <DL1SGP> Vaisala is fun!
[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:48] <OH7FXK> hmm, i acidentally started desing PCB and firmware for little balloon
[16:48] <DL1SGP> purposefully accidentally?
[16:48] <OH7FXK> maybe ;)
[16:48] <DL1SGP> hehe
[16:49] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=a2ed3a341e14b10edb28effb618613b6de05975b prediction still gives the same spot
[16:49] <DL1SGP> sometimes it happens that all of a sudden a piece of pcb is dangling on a balloon and goes into sky :)
[16:49] <Babs___> Thanks craag - does an android device tend to have an Audio in then?
[16:49] <Babs___> In which case you just connect it up to the radio, boot up the app and bobs your uncle?
[16:51] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: maybe something simple with ATtiny45/85. I have about 200 of these little MCUs :D
[16:51] <eroomde> i am using windows. everything keeps crashing
[16:51] <craag> Babs___: Most have a 3.5mm socket that also supports a microphone, then follow this: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:hab_modem
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[16:51] <eroomde> i don't like this
[16:51] <DL1SGP> OH7FXK: hey that sounds fun :) I need to get some of them
[16:51] <OH7FXK> eroomde: thats why i have used linux 6 years
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[16:52] <eroomde> i want a package manager to upgrade these things that claim to need upgrading
[16:53] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: i think something simple like CW beacon on 10meters (old LAN cards have 28mhz crystal ;)) and maybe temperature and presure data in this same beacon.
[16:53] <DL1SGP> old lan cards sometimes have a nice eeprom you can use along with your project as well :)
[16:54] <OH7FXK> i have shitload 74CMOS logic chips, maybe TX builded using these and ATtiny controlling it and calcullating data
[16:54] <Vostok> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=d312ab5aa1006b0394b56a813b733ffad3e4d7fe this time going to Nauvo
[16:54] <Vostok> that prediction is hugely depending on the descent rate
[16:55] <Vostok> i wonder if the prediction thing has a good hunch about surface winds
[16:55] <DL1SGP> if B-17 lands in water it will be very British ... "Fish&Chips"
[16:55] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> :)
[16:55] <LeoBodnar> Haha DL1SGP
[16:57] <eroomde> .net 4.5 framework is 'highly compatible'. with what, it does not say
[16:57] <DL1SGP> that is under NDA eroomde
[16:57] <DL1SGP> substitute one letter and you know why :D
[16:58] <eroomde> mental illness maybe
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[17:00] <DL1SGP> looking at that wire for connecting radio to tablet/smartphone... my Huawei smartphone headset works with my Boafeng UV-3R ... not only as headphones but even the little button works as PTT, have not tested quality when using its mic though lol
[17:00] <ibanezmatt13> Can I develop C code properly in visual C++ or do I need a C-specific program?
[17:00] <Vostok> hmm, the predictor gives wind directions not at all consistent with the balloon's track
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[17:01] <Vostok> track is veering
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[17:02] <Babs___> Thanks craag
[17:03] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, it probably speaks C
[17:03] <eroomde> but you might be happier doig this ins linux land
[17:03] <eroomde> with gcc and a decent text editor
[17:04] <ibanezmatt13> yea, I'm only really able to do it on my Windows PC I'm afraid :/
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[17:06] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, in college earlier when I was speaking to you, my computing teacher was attempting to help me read characters from the console into a character array until it was full; we couldn't do it
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[17:06] <daveake> Run Linux in a VM
[17:06] <ibanezmatt13> inputting from the console being a substitute for the serial
[17:06] <ibanezmatt13> VM?
[17:06] <daveake> VM
[17:06] <eroomde> virtual machine
[17:06] <eroomde> virtualbox.org
[17:06] <DL1SGP> Virtual Machine... I suggest Virtual Box
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[17:07] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: hmm, wich would be good interwall for beacon and data?
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[17:07] <ibanezmatt13> or I could do it on my Pi?
[17:07] <daveake> Yes
[17:07] <eroomde> yes
[17:07] <eroomde> pi will be fine
[17:08] <ibanezmatt13> cool. Just wish I hadn't desoldered all the components off my Pi tracker, I could have properly practised my C then...
[17:08] <eroomde> get another pi :)
[17:08] <eroomde> dev pi and flight pi
[17:08] <DL1SGP> OH7FXK: I would base that on testing and it also depends on how "smart" your tracker gets... like having a power-safe mode and so on :D
[17:08] <daveake> I recommend this anyway
[17:09] <daveake> e.g. use a B for dev and an A to fly
[17:09] <ibanezmatt13> what I mean eroomde is, I had a circuit board with GPS and NTX2 on it connected to Pi, but I took the GPS and NTX2 off to use elsewhere. Hence, I now have no parts to properly test the code with
[17:09] <daveake> which is a good option
[17:09] <eroomde> ah righty
[17:09] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: i'm only writing ideas down to paper, i allmosta everytime desing HW first :D
[17:09] <eroomde> well, you can still at least test the C stuff
[17:09] <eroomde> just have
[17:10] <eroomde> char *teststring = "<and example GGA message>"
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[17:10] <ibanezmatt13> so basically, read from a text file?
[17:10] <eroomde> and mess around with teststring to learn the ins and outs of string manipulation in C
[17:10] <daveake> source
[17:10] <eroomde> i'm afriad to say that python will have spoiled you :)
[17:10] <ibanezmatt13> damn
[17:10] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: I maybe leave GPS out of that one, so price stays under 5¬/transmitter
[17:10] <DL1SGP> you can even test some code in a QEMU hostet raspbian image ... nice thing... the changes are persistent to the image so once you put it onto an SD Card the stuff is just there :)
[17:10] <ibanezmatt13> I knew I'd have this problem
[17:11] <eroomde> it's not a problem
[17:11] <eroomde> it's just more interesting stuff to learn
[17:11] <eroomde> between C and python you'll be all set to tackle almost all computing problems
[17:11] <daveake> yup
[17:11] <ibanezmatt13> right
[17:12] <ibanezmatt13> So text file is out of the question then
[17:12] <DL1SGP> time for dinner here, thinking of fish&chips got me hungry, bbiab 73
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[17:12] <ibanezmatt13> I think I've got it
[17:12] <x-f> OH7FXK, maybe you can put BMP085 or similar pressure sensor on it, it's quite cheap and would give approximate altitude at least
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[17:13] <Vostok> x-f: i read MS5611 outperforms BMP085
[17:13] <Vostok> not very much more expensive
[17:13] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, well it's not out of th question, but you'd have to learn all about file secriptors in C and stuff
[17:13] <OH7FXK> x-f: i have some leftover presuresensors somewhere
[17:13] <eroomde> just another battle you don't need right now
[17:13] <ibanezmatt13> good point
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[17:13] <eroomde> might aswell just paste a test string into the source code
[17:14] <eroomde> and see if you can end up parsing the bits that you want out of it
[17:14] <OH7FXK> I tested them on my RC plane, and they worked fine
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[17:15] <eroomde> see if you can end up with a program that prints something like: "Longitude: xxxxx, Latitude: xxxxx, Altitude: xxxxx, Time:xxxxx". that should show you've conquered it
[17:15] <eroomde> and if you want extra credit, add in something that calculates from the string your distance from nelson's column and the number of seconds since the last midday
[17:16] <eroomde> that will mean you have successfully turned characters into numbers and back again
[17:16] <eroomde> in the mean time i will continue to be upset by something called .Net
[17:16] <Vostok> did spacenear.us die?
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[17:18] <x-f> it's fine, position just updated
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[17:19] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, I can't see that happening so quickly. The most I've achieved so far is this: https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125 and that failed
[17:19] <eroomde> yep
[17:19] <eroomde> it would
[17:19] <eroomde> and what did the failure message say?
[17:20] <eroomde> is this on a pi?
[17:20] <ibanezmatt13> Well, that wasn't the exact code, I just thought of that right now but...
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[17:20] <ibanezmatt13> Today, I had the same thing but replaced the serial parts with inputs from the console which seemed to work
[17:20] <daveake> sub ??
[17:20] <eroomde> i'd just keep it simple
[17:21] <eroomde> no itneraction with the outside world atm
[17:21] <tomahola> I bet on the prediction! de OH2FRM (loc KP20lg)
[17:21] <eroomde> no reading from serial ports or anything
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[17:21] <eroomde> just have a locally defined string in your source code
[17:21] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, too much vb in college :(
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[17:21] <OH7FXK> KISS is allways best way ;)
[17:21] <daveake> And it won't know what "serial" is
[17:21] <Vostok> x-f: won't load the map
[17:22] <ibanezmatt13> forget that code even exists :) I just thought of it
[17:22] <daveake> Forgotten
[17:22] <Vostok> what's the latest position? can someone paste it?
[17:23] <x-f> Position: 60.0968,21.6647 Altitude: 1129 m Rate: -0.5 m/s
[17:23] <ibanezmatt13> In C, you can't say string a = "hello" I think. Is it some sort of twist on the char type?
[17:23] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, the point of this exercise is basically for you to discover sscanf
[17:23] <x-f> Vostok, that was 17:21:56
[17:23] <ibanezmatt13> I've heard of it
[17:23] <x-f> Vostok, try http://habhub.org/mt
[17:23] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, and yes you're right, in c to declare a string you can do it one of two ways
[17:24] <eroomde> both based around the idea that it's a list of chars
[17:24] <eroomde> so
[17:24] <eroomde> char mystring[] = "Hello Matt"
[17:24] <eroomde> or
[17:24] <eroomde> char *mystring = "Hello Matt"
[17:24] <eroomde> they are both identical
[17:24] <ibanezmatt13> right
[17:24] <ibanezmatt13> makes sense
[17:24] <eroomde> mystring is just the label of where the string starts
[17:24] <eroomde> in memory
[17:25] <ibanezmatt13> So when I read into a character array, I'm reading essentially into a string?
[17:25] <ibanezmatt13> seems logical enough
[17:25] <DL1SGP> so is B-18 on the map yet? :P
[17:25] <eroomde> yeah, a string is just a special kind of array where the convention is that it ends with a 'NULL' character
[17:25] <eroomde> that's how you know it's ended
[17:25] <ibanezmatt13> got it
[17:26] <eroomde> so remember that if you pre-allocate an array to put a string into, it must be one bigger than you think :)
[17:26] <eroomde> because of that NULL
[17:26] <x-f> what happened to Northern Ireland's planned pico launch today?
[17:26] <Vostok> x-f: thanks
[17:26] <ibanezmatt13> ah, so that's what I must watch out for in case of overflow
[17:26] <eroomde> yes
[17:27] <ibanezmatt13> got you
[17:27] <eroomde> and that's a *very* common source of bugs in C
[17:27] <mfa298> babbage just got a brief mention on the bbc news - as part of the a report on raspberry pi's hitting 1m made in wales
[17:27] <Vostok> not much chance of hitting land :(
[17:27] <Vostok> oh, it backed again
[17:27] <arko> Nice
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[17:29] <oh3kav> just that I got my setup up and running it went below my horizon :(
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[17:30] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, I'm here https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6888125
[17:30] <ibanezmatt13> good progress as you can see...
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[17:31] <eroomde> that is good progress!
[17:31] <ibanezmatt13> So in Python I'd split it up by commas into individual fields. Now I assume in C it's completely different
[17:31] <eroomde> so, better look up sscanf
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[17:31] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[17:31] <eroomde> you might come across strtok on your travels
[17:31] <eroomde> it's a false god
[17:31] <eroomde> stay on the road to sscanf enlightenment
[17:32] <Upu> lol
[17:32] <ibanezmatt13> haha, sure
[17:32] <Vostok> sweet, the mobile tracker thing provides ground speed as well
[17:33] <Vostok> 773 meters
[17:33] <eroomde> it's good isn't it vostok
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[17:36] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde, so you use sscanf to check the number of "fields" of data in the array?
[17:36] <ibanezmatt13> No it can't be, the len() does that
[17:37] <eroomde> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/c_standard_library/c_function_sscanf.htm
[17:37] <eroomde> have a look at the example at the bottom of that page
[17:37] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thank you
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[17:38] <Vostok> 483 m
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[17:39] <Vostok> OH1MN: crank up your sensitivity :)
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[17:39] <ibanezmatt13> ok so it searches the array for a certain format and then when it finds something in that format it stores it in the corresponding variable and keeps doing so until there is no more required data to store into a variable?
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[17:40] <Upu> is it isn't it on land
[17:40] <Vostok> place your bets now
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[17:41] <Upu> ground is only 14m asl on those islets
[17:41] <Vostok> judging from the graph of yesterday, there's probably a good 8 hours of battery left
[17:41] <fsphil> ping KT5TK
[17:41] <Vostok> at least
[17:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar i have an idea. What about putting a altitude threshold in the code, that will make it transmit location all the time, when it dropes below say 1000meters. It would make it alot easyer to follow it the last way down and maybe recover
[17:42] <arko> Anyone driving out to hear it?
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[17:43] <Vostok> i'll come along, if there's someone leaving from helsinki area :)
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> I thought about that for awhile but it will also make battery discharge very quickly right when you probably want to reduce transmissions for the longer search attempt.
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[17:44] <oh2kku> have to be at the airport at 6 am, probably not a good idea to try to chase it.. anyway not much point in trying at night anyway
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> Maybe it needs to reduce tx interval when sensing no movement
[17:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar yes i see the point
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> Voice of reason oh2kku
[17:45] <LeoBodnar> watch out for it tomorrow
[17:45] <Vostok> you can drive to Nauvo by car, but the ferries probably won't operate at this time of day
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[17:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar what antenna did B-16 carry, it was really weak?
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> 1/4 wave GP
[17:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> really, wonder why it was so weak then
[17:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 10mw?
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> Ah, B-16 short dipole
[17:47] <LeoBodnar> It's 13.553MHz
[17:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i heard it, but only inside the 5deg ring
[17:48] <iain_G4SGX> Yes that was my limit also. no skip
[17:48] <iain_G4SGX> But I suppose the ERP would be REALLY low.
[17:48] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Yes due to swr
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[17:49] <craag> SWR was matched. But still the antenna will have been a lot less efficient than a dipole.
[17:49] <iain_G4SGX> I modelled it in EZNEC and it was higher than 100:1 for 50 Ohm, no better at 300 Ohm
[17:49] <oh7bd-1> I received a piece of information from B-16 today, obviously not a full packet
[17:50] <oh7bd-1> $$B-16,1316,140738,581.4n.7897,7596,eie0eotiteetoetW'%oGa8.9458,7483,6,1.46*7d2d a2n =2,142023,58.1018,18.9735323,142259,58.1075,19.0222,.45*8ddb16,134,142429,58.1108,19.0502,7499,8,1.46*72bclinan5*eaea
[17:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> someone might be able to fix that line
[17:51] <iain_G4SGX> Long & Lat is in there
[17:51] <Hes> oh7bd-1: Hi Arto.
[17:51] <Hes> - oh7lzb
[17:51] <oh7bd-1> Hi
[17:52] <Vostok> LeoBodnar: how long do would you guess the battery lasts
[17:52] <Vostok> what would the cut off voltage be?
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> About two days with beeps
[17:53] <iain_G4SGX> crag; I think it was set for high impedance output, but SWR can still be high unless inductance is added i think
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[17:53] <x-f> 58.1018,18.9735 is about 20 km North of Gotland
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> It will stop transmitting coordinates after voltage drops to 3.5V, will shut down GPS and be only beeping
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[17:55] <x-f> and about 200km away from Finland, quite a stretch
[17:55] <x-f> (for a weak antenna)
[17:56] <x-f> altitude 7353 m?
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[17:57] <LeoBodnar> Upu: could you please upload manually B-16 strings
[17:57] <Upu> sure
[17:57] <Upu> do you have one ?
[17:57] <x-f> ah, there's three packets
[17:58] <Upu> Tidy them up and calc the correct check sum
[17:58] <malgar> days ago someone told me that has a ready fedora package for gqrx, who was?
[17:58] <Upu> or just tidy up and I'll do check sum
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[17:58] <Upu> afk about 45 mins food
[17:58] <x-f> malgar, fsphil
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> K
[17:58] <DL1SGP> have a nice meal Upu
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[17:59] <mfa298> malgar: I've got some bits but not gqrx yet.
[18:00] <oh2buf> 73
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[18:01] <fsphil> oh yea. I'll get a source rpm uploaded shortly
[18:01] <x-f> looks like five packets actually
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[18:02] <LeoBodnar> I have fixed one and txed it
[18:02] <mfa298> malgar: for when you need it I've got a package for dl-fldigi at http://rpm.yapd.net/Fedora/19/x86_64/ - I've not tested the fc19 version yet though
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[18:03] <oh1jcs> laB-17,611,17io31,a1ØØQt.1398,21.92Ø1,5,5,11,3.97,Ø*dcc3 $$B-17,612,18ØØ23,131ØØ8,6Ø.13982,21.92Ø24,Ø,6,11,3.98,Ø*Øcc1
[18:03] <mfa298> at some point I'll get a repo rpm setup so you can install my packages with yum
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[18:05] <x-f> oh1jcs, is that just a few minutes ago?
[18:05] <oh1jcs> $$B-17,613,aØ3i,1iBofr3nnr ,92,1Ø,6,11,3.97,Ø*ceªe $$B-17,614,18Ø5Ø8,131ØØ8,6Ø.1398,21.92Ø2,14,5,11,3.97,Ø*fb5c
[18:06] <oh1jcs> Yes, still hear the blips. way down in the noise.
[18:06] <x-f> altitude 14m, it may have found a tree :)
[18:06] <DL1SGP> yay
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> Angholm
[18:06] <Vostok> 60.1398 , 21.92 is in the island of Ängholm
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[18:07] <LeoBodnar> Lol HOW oh1jcs ?
[18:07] <Vostok> there are a few cottages on the eastern part
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[18:07] <DL1SGP> let's go to Ängholm .. do not forget to take a chainsaw!
[18:07] <DL1SGP> :D
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> Uploaded it
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[18:09] <Vostok> let me find you a navigation chart for boats
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[18:10] <LeoBodnar> The Eagle has landed :D
[18:11] <oh1jcs> tix,1iØt7 de13.8q=1.92Ø1,9,4,11,3.97,Ø*1aki $$B-1nò616,18Ø953,131ØØ8,6Ø.33985,21.92o Ø,6,11,3., t*tcqeog ¾z
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[18:12] <Vostok> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16980916/Screenshot_2013-10-08-21-10-48.png
[18:12] <oh1jcs> Know the route to Anisor. :) not too far away.
[18:12] <oh2kku> it's not that far.. you could swim :)
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> How are you receiving this oh1jcs ?
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[18:13] <LeoBodnar> Mobile or from home?
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[18:14] <Vostok> where can i find a description of the data string?
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> General or specific balloon?
[18:15] <LeoBodnar> General structure: http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[18:15] <Vostok> B-17 :)
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> Specific payload: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ select "payload configuration documents" and "start from existing"
[18:17] <oh1jcs> Listening with a 21?el Tonna 14magl in kp10ae14
[18:18] <arko> Woah!!!
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> Vostok: $$B-17,sentence_id,time,date,latitude,longitude,altitude,satellites,temperature_internal,battery,solar_panel*FFFF
[18:18] <arko> Go b17!
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[18:18] <DL1SGP> nice job oh1jcs
[18:18] <arko> Well done
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> What is your GPS coordinates?
[18:18] <Vostok> well, who's gonna fetch it
[18:19] <oh2kku> terrain map says there's a small cliff at the most recent location
[18:19] <arko> Sounds like a fun camping trip
[18:19] <OH7FXK> I don't see any boats in aprs.fi near Ängholm
[18:19] <OH7FXK> :>
[18:19] <oh2kku> but could be a tree too, there's lots of them
[18:20] <DL7AD> good evening
[18:20] <fsphil> wow, B-17 made it to land?
[18:20] <oh1jcs> 60°11.18' N 22°0.89' E
[18:20] <DL7AD> good job oh1jcs
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> I'll put your icon on the map in a sec
[18:20] <DL1SGP> Nabend DL7AD
[18:20] <DL7AD> moin moin DL1SGP
[18:20] <x-f> oh7bd did a great job too, receiving B-16 so far away
[18:21] <fsphil> 14m ASL, that is impressive
[18:21] <arko> Srsly
[18:21] <Vostok> oh1jcs: your coordinates?
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[18:22] <fsphil> and still updating
[18:22] <enkidu> boat needed for recovery ;)
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[18:23] <DL7AD> enkidu: you could swim!
[18:23] <Vostok> So it landed 7.4 km away from oh1jcs?
[18:24] <Vostok> i'll redact my statement about Leo's no good aiming
[18:24] <arko> Hahaha
[18:24] <fsphil> he was aiming for France
[18:24] <oh1jcs> $$B-17,621,1822Ø2,131ØØ8,6Ø.1397,21.92,32,7,11,3.96,Ø*d9de $$B-17,622,182414,131ØØ8,6Ø.1397,21.92,8,5,11,3.96,Ø*38Ø5
[18:25] <Vostok> :))
[18:25] <arko> Nice!!
[18:25] <tr0lli> cool :-)
[18:25] <fsphil> definitly down
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[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> PETER HIGGS won half of the Physics Nobel Prize!
[18:26] <tr0lli> he and his boson
[18:26] <OH1MN> Jöije, u need to go get it :D
[18:26] <fsphil> that's a mass-ive achevement
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> oh1jcs: is your icon position correct?
[18:27] <enkidu> oh1jcs: look in tree top ;)
[18:27] <tr0lli> fsphil ;-)
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[18:27] <arko> That was a particluarly funny pun there fsphil
[18:27] <oh1jcs> You put the marker on top of the house. :)
[18:27] <fsphil> we should stop now arko, this is accellerating out of control
[18:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh1jcs Terve. Can´t you upload it from dl-fldigi?
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[18:28] <oh1jcs> Geocaching this weekend? Who thought of putting the cache up in a tree??
[18:28] <arko> Haha
[18:28] <oh2kku> oh it would drive the geocachers nuts to put a cache in a balloon
[18:28] <fsphil> lol
[18:28] <oh1jcs> using dm-780
[18:29] <arko> Hahaha
[18:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh1jcs you should get dl-fldigi, then ill will upload automatic
[18:29] <fsphil> indeed
[18:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ill-it
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[18:30] <tr0lli> took me serious time to get the location entered correctly tho
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> but don't forget Francois Englert
[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> he got the second half of the prize
[18:30] <tr0lli> and for some reason dl-fldigi will not read my gps data, tho i can see nmea data with terminal
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[18:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> tr0lli i had the same problem with dl-fldigi
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> tr0lli: I think it is confirmed broken
[18:31] <tr0lli> ok
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[18:32] <Laurenceb_> relaunch
[18:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
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[18:33] <tr0lli> wow, 178 online
[18:33] <oh1co> i got fatal error when tried fl-digi here, also got some packets of data in final decent, but with dm-780 allso
[18:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh1co windows7?
[18:33] <oh1co> jep
[18:34] <oh1co> yes
[18:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> try launching it as administrator
[18:34] <tr0lli> running fine on xp
[18:34] <OH1MN> oh1co: got offer on one of those skyking rotors, new one in turku, 70e...
[18:34] <OH1MN> if you know someone who needs.
[18:34] <oh1eez> is there linux version of fldigi?
[18:35] <oh1co> cant find path to users\....
[18:35] <mfa298> oh1eez there are some packaged versions depending on which flavour of linux you use
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[18:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh1co sounds like a install problem. Maybe you should reinstall it.
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[18:36] <LeoBodnar> If solar panels on B-17 are not damaged it can keep transmitting for weeks
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[18:36] <Vostok> just wait for opposite winds and send it back :)
[18:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh1co im also running win7 here, and it works fine
[18:37] <arko> Hope it doesnt get dragged around
[18:37] <arko> What are wind conditions for the next few days,
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[18:37] <arko> ?
[18:37] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> oh1jcs: cool, you live just next to b17 :)
[18:37] <Vostok> arko: very windy
[18:38] <arko> Crap
[18:38] <Vostok> http://foreca.fi/Finland/Nauvo
[18:38] <arko> Run/swim now oh1jcs!
[18:38] <Upu> B-17 being RX'd on the ground ?
[18:38] <Upu> lol
[18:38] <Vostok> 8-9 m/s
[18:38] <arko> Wow
[18:39] <oh1jcs> tozieaSir!-hra,131008,60.1396,21.9199,4,6,11,3.96,0*2c0c $$B-17,628,183838,131008,60.1397,21.9201,8,6,11,3.96,0*6e97
[18:39] <Upu> amazing :)
[18:39] <oh1jcs> Fl-digi loaded.
[18:39] <G8APZ> it has moved!!
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[18:40] <oh2kku> staying still is so boring
[18:40] <Upu> gps scatter
[18:41] <LeoBodnar> fidgeting
[18:41] <Upu> I manually uploaded that last location you just posted oh1jcs
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[18:41] <enkidu> G8APZ: it is moving with tree branch
[18:41] <oh1jcs> Any configuration to be done to fldigi to upload automatically?
[18:41] <Upu> possibly but that is probably just normal GPS scatter on the ground
[18:42] <Upu> oh1jcs you need to run the dl-fldigi in HAB mode, there are usually two icons
[18:42] <G8APZ> it is only a small movement, but probably helps to pinpoint on the ground with a handheld GPS!
[18:42] <Upu> are you in indows ?
[18:42] <Upu> Windows
[18:42] <oh1jcs> XP
[18:42] <Upu> oh ok should be two icons on the desktop
[18:42] <Upu> one has HAB after it
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide oh1jcs
[18:43] <Upu> run that one
[18:43] <Upu> drop flight down to B-17
[18:43] <Upu> click auto configure
[18:43] <Upu> should do it
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[18:43] <Upu> did you have some B-16 telemetry that needed uploading Leo ?
[18:43] <Vostok> there's a weather radar 15 km west of B-17
[18:44] <Vostok> http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/weather/parainen/korpo
[18:44] <Vostok> wind is 6m/s, gusting 8
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[18:45] <oh1jcs> Ok, had wrong version.
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> I have manually txed one string to myself and it uploaded it the rest are too broken
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> hold on...
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> <oh7bd-1> $$B-16,1316,140738,581.4n.7897,7596,eie0eotiteetoetW'%oGa8.9458,7483,6,1.46*7d2d a2n =2,142023,58.1018,18.9735323,142259,58.1075,19.0222,.45*8ddb16,134,142429,58.1108,19.0502,7499,8,1.46*72bclinan5*eaea
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> I have uploaded the last one - it was in fact 1324
[18:48] <Upu> http://binged.it/1e6yA1o
[18:48] <fsphil> I couldn't bring myself to using a service with such a silly name
[18:48] <Upu> well again I find the aerial imagary way better than google
[18:49] <Upu> on bing
[18:49] <fsphil> agreed :)
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[18:49] <fsphil> if they'd just rename the thing
[18:49] <Upu> ok Leo no point upload the previous ones
[18:50] <fsphil> almost certainly in a tree
[18:50] <Upu> might fly right over ES8TJM
[18:50] <Upu> those trees don't look too bit
[18:50] <Upu> big
[18:50] <Upu> are those private islands ?
[18:51] <oh2kku> unless it's military area (which it probably isn't) or something else special like a restricted nature reserve, it doesn't really matter who owns it, if you are thinking of accessing the island
[18:51] <Upu> ok
[18:52] <Upu> well if the solar panels are working
[18:52] <oh2kku> basically the finnish law gives everybody the right to roam anyone elses land
[18:52] <Upu> i.e facing up
[18:52] <fsphil> lets start an international incident. the UK's just claimed the island :)
[18:52] <Upu> you could have a permanent beacon on that island :)
[18:53] <Upu> if oh1jcs can get dl-fldigi working
[18:53] <Upu> still not working ?
[18:53] <oh2kku> http://kansalaisen.karttapaikka.fi/kartanhaku/koordinaattihaku.html?e=218037&n=6677820&scale=2000&lang=fi&mode=orto there's also the finnish national mapping agency's site
[18:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu i would agree on the imagary, i can see my old antennas on the photo.
[18:54] <oh1jcs> $$B-17,634,185308,131008,60.1398,21.9201,6,8,12,3.95,0*fdcd
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[18:54] <Upu> nice antennas oh1jcs :)
[18:54] <Upu> http://files.qrz.com/s/oh1jcs/Pb080388.jpg
[18:54] <Upu> I'll upload
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> I did already :)
[18:54] <Upu> too fast :)
[18:55] <Upu> so oh1jcs can we see a screen shot of what you have so we can work out why its not automatically uploading ?
[18:55] <oh1jcs> Well, I've done EME with only 50w with it. On the other end was a 35m dish however.. :)
[18:56] <Vostok> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16980916/angholm.pdf here's a PDF map of the island
[18:57] <Upu> 35m you say lol
[18:57] <oh2kku> you know the island name is pronounced like "engholm".. so basically an eng-lish island :)
[18:57] <oh2kku> holm is swedish for an island
[18:57] <oh1jcs> Eng is meadow.
[18:58] <oh2kku> you spoiled it
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> :)
[18:59] <oh1jcs> $$B-17,635,185547,131008,60.1397,21.92,8,6,11,3.95,0*20de $$B-17,636,185759,131008,60.1397,21.9203,3,7,11,3.95,0*eaba
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[19:00] <Upu> I'll let you upload Leo
[19:00] <Upu> oh1jcs can I see a screen shot so we can work out why you aren't uploading ?
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[19:00] <LeoBodnar> done
[19:01] <Upu> probably in a tree :)
[19:01] <DL1SGP> looks tricky to get onto Ängholm without a boat
[19:01] <oh2kku> it's probably not that much under 10 degrees C, the water
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[19:01] <oh2kku> so swimming trunk on and off you go :)
[19:02] <DL1SGP> sauna before
[19:02] <Upu> Angholm gets its first remote weather station
[19:02] <Upu> if it moves its windy
[19:02] <OH1MN> oh1jcs: u just moved, south... hows the wx there, sunny? :)
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[19:02] <oh1jcs> Always sunny here.. hw far did I go?
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[19:03] <OH1MN> well, donw to Oman :)
[19:03] <OH1MN> Oman
[19:04] <oh1jcs> $B-17,637,190038,131008,60.1398,21.9201,12,6,11,3.95,0*da4a $$B-17,638,190250,131008,60.1396,26ar
[19:04] <oh1jcs> Whoaa.. too hot for me! I'm scandinavian..
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[19:06] <G8APZ> B-17 only made it to land with 50m to spare!
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[19:07] <Upu> amazing we are receiving it on the ground as well
[19:09] <G8APZ> The B**g map close in looks as if there is a clearing in the trees...should aid finding the spot!
[19:10] <LazyLeopard> It'll be hanging in a tree.
[19:10] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[19:11] <Upu> only two reasons you RX payloads on the ground
[19:11] <Upu> one is when its high up a mountain
[19:11] <eroomde> and the other is when god thought you were dave
[19:11] <G8APZ> right... the chainsaw needed then!!
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[19:12] <LazyLeopard> ...and when it's in the top of a tree high up a mountain...
[19:12] <LazyLeopard> ...but don't forget also "hanging from the high tension power lines...
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[19:13] <eroomde> oh1jcs, i know a few hot scandinavians
[19:14] <Upu> oh1jcs looks like you're automatically uploading now :)
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[19:16] <Upu> also
[19:16] <Upu> I draw your attention to the altitude B-17 is reporting from an island that is 10m asl
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[19:17] <Vostok> i draw your attention to the inaccuracy of gps altitude measurement
[19:17] <oh2kku> the earth altitude model in that particular gps receiver can vary by tens of meters from the truth
[19:17] <eroomde> both of these ^
[19:17] <eroomde> wgs84 can suck balls
[19:18] <Upu> yeah guess so
[19:18] <Vostok> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/e7c4f833a090a0a021419cfc573e79a7#g/solar_panel,battery,temperature_internal
[19:19] <Upu> just fell out of the tree if its accurate :)
[19:19] <eroomde> lol
[19:19] <eroomde> good spot
[19:19] <eroomde> hell of a tree
[19:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> goodnight all
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[19:22] <oh2kku> if it's still in the tree in the weekend, could maybe do a little kayaking trip
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[19:22] <Upu> makes it a little more interesting
[19:22] <oh2kku> but I guess someone will go fetch it before that
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[19:23] <Upu> whoever does go for it
[19:23] <Upu> take lots of pictures pls
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[19:25] <oh1eez> oh1co do you have cottage near landing site?
[19:26] <oh1jcs> Too bad I can´t call in sick tomorrow. Have to go boating this weekend. :)
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[19:28] <oh1jcs> Watch out for the muggles, we'll all ahve to wear folio hats.
[19:29] <oh1jcs> Jouni, oh1co was prepared to come hunting for it this weekend.
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[19:30] <Upu> I doubt its going anywhere too soon
[19:31] <Upu> however if you can receive if you can tell if its moving
[19:31] <Upu> I'll be interested to see if the panels get sun tomorrow and charge the battery
[19:31] <Upu> if they do its unlikely to stop transmitting unless it gets wet or something
[19:31] <oh1jcs> I´ll leave sw running and trx powered up.
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> Cool!
[19:32] <Upu> how water proof is it Leo ?
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[19:33] <Upu> I mean is the heat shrink sealed at the top ?
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> Yes Upu
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[19:33] <Upu> should be fine then
[19:33] <oh2kku> with the weather being what it is here this time of year, probably won't get much sun. but some light, sure
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> conformal coated but not solder joints
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[19:34] <Upu> well if oh1jcs leaves RX going we should see the panel voltage increase at sunrise
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> oh1jcs: your GPS coordinates needs to be in the decimal format: 60.1863 and 22.0148
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[19:34] <LeoBodnar> Otherwise you look like you are in the water :D
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> Do bears like balloons?
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> It's shiny and big
[19:35] <oh1jcs> Thanks, was looking for a converter. Nw it should show ok.
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> YOu might need to quit it and start again
[19:36] <oh2kku> the sun will rise at about 04:55 utc tomorrow, dawn (6 degrees below horizon) at 04:13
[19:36] <oh2kku> at that location
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> solar panels are VERY fragile
[19:36] <Upu> yeah may not be pointing up either
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> I'll be amazed if they survived
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[19:37] <bertrik> next time put buttered toast on the underside of the payload
[19:37] <oh1jcs> sirarnB-17,651,193411,131008,60.1398,21.92,40,7,11,3.94,0*6780 $$B-17,aaa
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> lol
[19:38] <Upu> $$B-17,651,193411,131008,60.1398,21.92,40,7,11,3.94,0*6780
[19:38] <Upu> you doing that one leo ?
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> yeah
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[19:39] <Upu> cool afk for a bit
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> done
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> Your icon is perfect now oh1jcs
[19:40] <tr0lli> plus we will have a nice averaged location by tomorrow morning ;-)
[19:40] <iain_G4SGX> Wo.. I see B17 JUST landed.. cool
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> I have reduced precision to 4 decimal places so it will draw some triangles
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> iain_G4SGX: yup Eagle has landed
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> Good luck Mr Gorsky
[19:42] <eroomde> apocryphal
[19:42] <oh2kku> four decimals is about 11 x 5 meter square at these latitudes
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> but funny
[19:42] <oh1jcs> Last packet uploaded ok.
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> yeah, saved thousands of ASCII chars
[19:44] <oh2kku> anyway if someone manages to pick it up, please report it somewhere so the rest of us won't unnecessarily go there
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> Or leave something nice in exchange
[19:46] <oh1jcs> I'll propably be able to go on site this weekend.
[19:46] <iain_G4SGX> Geez, how would you get there, by boat i suppose.
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> Helicopters and balloons don't mix
[19:47] <oh1jcs> Yep, have a boat.
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[19:48] <qyx_> lol, nice area
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[19:50] <LeoBodnar> 16 HAB receivers in a country with population of 5 million.
[19:51] <oh6mwq> well, I don't think we had any before you started bomb us with balloons :-)
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> :D haha
[19:52] <iain_G4SGX> I suppose there is a lot of aurora in Finland? Makes HF difficult? It looks like a beautiful country, lots of room for antennas.
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> Did I read somewhere that wet forestation makes difficult conditions for propagation? All wet trees work like antennas.
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[19:54] <oh6mwq> iain_G4SGX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS3fQtSKCTw
[19:54] <oh6mwq> just size of gears matters
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[19:55] <iain_G4SGX> he he, yes Ive heard of the 160M yagi, legendary.
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[20:00] <enkidu> iain_G4SGX: source
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[20:01] <oh6mwq> have you guys thought what russians might say if your balloon actually reaches their airspace?
[20:01] <DL1SGP> they would say "hey a training target" :)
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[20:02] <oh6mwq> few years ago we were planning same kind of floater, but newer had balls to let it fly...
[20:02] <DL1SGP> what could they actually do, it is nothing else than some harmless ISM transmitter that sends telemetry data
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[20:04] <LeoBodnar> Consider it a party balloons gone astray
[20:05] <DL1SGP> indeed
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[20:05] <enkidu> its Russia
[20:06] <iain_G4SGX> yep, and it LUCKILY had a tracker and loads receivers tuned in, how fortunate.
[20:06] <enkidu> where Russia begins, logic ends
[20:06] <qyx_> i don't think anything would happen
[20:06] <qyx_> certainly they know about ism traffic and probably they are able to decode it
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[20:07] <enkidu> or "nuke 'murica"
[20:08] <LeoBodnar> They definitely can do whatever they want with it
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[20:09] <iain_G4SGX> When I first got an HF licence it was during cold war. We were told all russian hams were government employees so not to talk., I thought it had all changed since then but even so some russian hams might be very usefull to get involved.
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> I am Russian and I am ham how can I help? lol
[20:10] <eroomde> what was the risk of talking to government employees?
[20:10] <eroomde> was the uk weather or the best route to drive from stoke newinton to orpington of useful strategic value to the USSR?
[20:11] <iain_G4SGX> dunno, all crazy, passing info or summut i suppose. Or maybe I might be taken in by Communist propganda ! he he
[20:11] <iain_G4SGX> It was all a bit tense back then
[20:11] <eroomde> mmm, predates me
[20:11] <LeoBodnar> Maybe you get a nice personal folder in MI5
[20:11] <qyx_> here at the AT/SK border there is an antenna complex which was used to jam western radios some decades ago
[20:11] <eroomde> i was less than 1 when david hasselhoff brought the berlin wall down
[20:11] <qyx_> some people think it is still functional and is used to intercept air traffic
[20:12] <qyx_> although no more russia involved
[20:12] <iain_G4SGX> I saw a video of the woodpecker antenna, huge
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> I was listening to BBC from Moscow through bloody jamming at the time
[20:12] <enkidu> Russians are in love with huge things
[20:12] <eroomde> when did you leave LeoBodnar ?
[20:12] <LeoBodnar> 12 years ago
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> Who isn't lol
[20:13] <oh2kku> I went to see the berlin wall 2 months ago, still there
[20:13] <oh2kku> at least the couple of hundred meters of it :)
[20:13] <enkidu> but most of huge thing were made by russians
[20:13] <oh2kku> looked like a lot had chipped away their own souvenirs from it
[20:13] <enkidu> screenplane, woodpecker, krasnoyarsk dam
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> Most big things don't work well
[20:13] <eroomde> indeed
[20:14] <eroomde> i walked past it wondering where it was, the first time i was in berlin
[20:14] <eroomde> for example, ESA
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[20:14] <LeoBodnar> Speaking about downfalls I clearly remember kerfuffle in Romania.
[20:14] <iain_G4SGX> I used to listen to radio Moscow as kid, loved it.
[20:15] <oh2kku> they don't seem to specifically advertise where the last standing parts of the wall are, you really have to dig the info up
[20:15] <iain_G4SGX> I also watch RT for a fresh approach to the news, al al-jazeerah
[20:15] <oh2kku> sure it's a part of a big museum area.. but kind of the main attraction I'd say for many
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> I listened to most national radios. They were great. Not too boring, not too demanding. Great. It's a pity that BBC world service is wound down.
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[20:16] <Laurenceb_> http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8594/15953.jpg
[20:17] <Laurenceb_> the russians are coming
[20:17] Nick change: MichaelC1 -> MichaelC
[20:17] <oh2kku> finland has also stopped all public broadcasts below 80 MHz some years ago. they can't justify the costs of running the transmitters for the few that are still listening
[20:18] <Laurenceb_> part 2 : http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6340/6e0d6fbd08ac.jpg
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> looks like a digital photo so they are probably going home there
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> This tank looks home-made lol
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> What's up with turning off all analogue things?
[20:20] <oh2kku> that reminds me, todays dose of WoT is still waiting
[20:21] <oh2kku> FM broadcast radio is still strong here, no sign of getting rid of it. there were some DAB trials about 10 years ago, but the receivers were expensive and nobody had them, so they just quit
[20:21] <oh2kku> ...DAB transmissions
[20:21] <eroomde> i had never heard of the woodpecker antenna before
[20:21] <eroomde> but jesus, that's a beast
[20:22] <enkidu> eroomde: thats just one of three (?) stations
[20:22] <iain_G4SGX> Over the horizon radar wasnt it?
[20:22] <eroomde> 10MW just to sent 10baud OOK to other hams
[20:22] <enkidu> most powerful public radio was 2MW or more?
[20:22] <iain_G4SGX> used to wipe out whole bands or ages, several times a day
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[20:23] <mikestir> you know about the russian buzzer? that's a funny one
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> mikestir, when I got my Stabo XR100, someone here gave me the frequency of that and I could actually hear it
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:24] <mikestir> I can usually hear it here on a telescopic in the kitchen
[20:24] <mikestir> after dark at least
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[20:24] <jcoxon> oooo B17 has landed in finland
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[20:26] <mfa298> when one of these Balloons finally makes it into russia will is start transmitting random numbers ?
[20:26] <DL1SGP> you mean UVB-76 on 4625khz ?
[20:26] <mikestir> yes
[20:26] <DL1SGP> hehe
[20:26] <oh2kku> the russians(?) also have these funny letter stations that just keep transmitting a single CW letter, like on 7040
[20:26] <DL1SGP> mfa298: it will start transmitting coordinates of capital cities
[20:27] <DL1SGP> yes oh2kku that is russia
[20:27] <DL1SGP> they also have a VLF navigation system
[20:27] <oh2kku> letter C if I remember right on that frequency, always receivable here
[20:27] <mikestir> DL1SGP: so do we
[20:27] <iain_G4SGX> Yep, next to JT65 segment.
[20:27] <LeoBodnar> can this be used for GPS-like system?
[20:28] <enkidu> it could be. submarines are using it succesfully
[20:28] <oh2kku> I wonder what they actually use those for, they've been on air for decades
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> Hmm antenna will be too large
[20:28] <enkidu> not really
[20:28] <mikestir> LeoBodnar: ferrite rod?
[20:29] <LeoBodnar> It must be Loran-C-like system
[20:29] <enkidu> for VLF you want inductive antennas, as mentioned above ferrite or even RC network with PLL
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[20:29] <bertrik> oh2kku: maybe just to stake their claim of that particular frequency
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> is it like a land grab?
[20:33] <M0XTD> A question for Anthony M0UPU - I am looking at buying some of the NTX2B units to have a bit of a play linking it to R-Pi or PIC devices. Not looking a HAB yet, but have started tracking them as I am quite centrally located in the UK. The HAB Supplies website mentions asking here on odering options. What are the options (other than Tx freq)?
[20:34] <Upu> hi there M0XTD
[20:34] <Upu> I'm M0UPU
[20:34] <Upu> quick private message
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[20:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Evening all, I take it PECAn is just testing ?
[20:36] <oh3kav> is UVB-76 still transmitting? I had it in my clock radio to wake me up few years back...
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[20:37] <DL1SGP> yes oh3kav
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[20:38] <oh3kav> yep..there it is 4625 bzzzzt!
[20:39] <Upu> Yes Geoff-G8DHE
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
[20:39] <mikestir> oh3kav: apparently it went off the other day for several hours and everyone that the world was going to end
[20:40] <Maxell> oh3kav: It's always on. If not, panic.
[20:40] <oh3kav> as long as you can hear the buzzer, world still exists and might be worth waking up :)
[20:40] <mikestir> well one theory is that it's a dead-hand system
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[20:40] <Maxell> mikestir: oh3kav: It got upgraded recently. No more supressed lower side band, and looks like the buzzing tone is computer genegrated.
[20:41] <oh3kav> that's why I had it in my clock radio (Sony ICF-7600G)
[20:41] <bertrik> smart
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[20:45] <iain_G4SGX> its got to be a time reference for something
[20:45] <Upu> I love F6AGV's write ups
[20:45] <Upu> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2013/10/b-17-vient-de-se-poser-sur-une-ile.html
[20:46] <x-f> oh, hey
[20:46] <x-f> STS-8N is back!
[20:46] <Upu> There is no doubt that OM will go (when the day will rise) in search of the ball B-17, and what it
[20:46] <x-f> $$STS-8N,19994,20:29:16,..
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[20:47] <jcoxon> the network is become so cool
[20:47] <Upu> ace isn't it
[20:47] <jcoxon> the fact that people are looking for lost balloons
[20:48] <Upu> landed on an island near Finland and we still have telemetry on the ground
[20:48] <Upu> just lol
[20:48] <jcoxon> the Finns have rallied around
[20:48] <jcoxon> good work LeoBodnar
[20:48] <Upu> you're all amazing
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[20:48] <oh6mwq> we have a long tradition for ball searching
[20:48] <Upu> lol
[20:49] <Upu> now I know we have so many stations up there I'll stop avoiding predictions in that direction
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: 16 listening stations across a nation of 5 million
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> We need to activate Russia
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> gently
[20:50] <jcoxon> yes - careful there
[20:50] <jcoxon> as the last balloon i know there they got told off
[20:50] <jcoxon> as in a launch in russia
[20:51] <DL1SGP> B-16 should reach russian airspace now, shouldn't it
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> which one was it?
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[20:51] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, just hunting a link
[20:51] <oh6mwq> few years ago guys even flew with airplane for hours trying to locate landed pula-ilmari balloon :-)
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[20:51] <LeoBodnar> I would assume it could suffer the same fate as B-17
[20:51] <jcoxon> so the info is http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20110407.html
[20:52] <Rebounder-SM3ULC> jcoxon: geocaching deluxe.. ;9
[20:52] <DL1SGP> noooooooooo! :)
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[20:53] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: I have seen videos of balloon launches in Russia
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> proper 1600g with cameras and what not
[20:54] <DL1SGP> this morning when my tablet woke me up sitting peacefully on it's stand next to my bed the first thing I saw after switching off the alarm was snus indicating that B-16 was being received and B-17 being received as well :)
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> French are on the ball as always
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> Now just waiting for Southgate :)
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> It's great innit?
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[20:56] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: can you point the place in this log? It's massive!
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[20:57] <LeoBodnar> I have searched it for "executed" but no luck
[20:57] <jcoxon> http://netwind.livejournal.com/49653.html
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[20:58] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, search for blackover
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[20:58] <jcoxon> he was the one talking about launches
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[20:58] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, http://www2.amit.ru/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=1&topic=65804&page=15
[20:58] <oh1jcs> Nothing heard for a while now, think I can hear the blips still but signal is very weak. I'll leave sw monitoring, but time for sleep. 73 all & gn.
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[20:59] <jcoxon> thanks oh1jcs
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> Good night oh1jcs
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> great save today
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[21:00] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: I can't find anything scary in this last link
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[21:05] <LeoBodnar> Just regular banter in these threads...
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[21:05] <qyx_> i should learn azbuka
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[21:07] <malgar> LeoBodnar: when will you launch b-18? :)
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> Need to re-charge my batteries a bit :)
[21:09] <malgar> LeoBodnar: your missions are great :) (despite their smallness) compliments!
[21:09] <malgar> good night
[21:10] <LeoBodnar> thanks malgar !
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[21:11] <LeoBodnar> Good night all!
[21:11] <DL1SGP> sleep well LeoBodnar
[21:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Goodnight Leo , thks for interesting flight ! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-17_20131007/flight%20profile%20@%20201310082211.jpg
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> nn
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[21:14] <jcoxon> my beacon is still online if anyone wants to have a look for it
[21:14] <jcoxon> 13.553Mhz :-p
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[21:15] <jcoxon> bbl
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[21:40] Action: jcoxon lays down the gauntlet - first balloon launched from the UK to get across the arctic circle
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[21:47] <fsphil> jcoxon: how do you track it? :)
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[21:48] <jcoxon> well
[21:48] <jcoxon> i guess the trick would be to go up scandanavia etc
[21:48] <fsphil> true, there's a few stations there
[21:48] <fsphil> this is where a bit of power on HF would be perfect
[21:49] <fsphil> though not really possible on a pico
[21:49] <jcoxon> indeed
[21:50] <fsphil> I've no doubt it'll happen though
[21:50] <jcoxon> quite a fun idea
[21:50] <jcoxon> doesn't have to be a pico...
[21:51] <fsphil> was just thinking that. a larger payload carrying a satellite modem
[21:51] <jcoxon> i think its quite a fun challenge
[21:52] <fsphil> this too is where we need that sea-based receiver network
[21:52] <fsphil> though a buoy wouldn't last too long in the artic
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> Satellite modems can be a very few grams
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> I think I found a link to about a 20 gram one.
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> But it does need IIRC 200mW for a minute or two
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> to boot
[21:53] <fsphil> that must get fairly warm
[21:54] <jcoxon> is it worth me actually putting together a challenge
[21:54] <jcoxon> though leo has a bit of a head start :-)
[21:54] <daveake> 200mW isn't much. An average radio/GPS payload uses that
[21:56] <fsphil> spotted your handywork on the news there daveake
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[21:56] <daveake> ah yes :)
[21:56] <daveake> Thought that would be included but didn't know for sure
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[22:03] <jcoxon> ping Upu
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[22:05] <jcoxon> fsphil, could you use this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RADI0KIT-140-HAM-RADIO-40M-CW-QRP-TRANSCEIVER-KIT-PIXIE-/290907180711?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Ham_Radio_Receivers_Transceivers&hash=item43bb6b4ea7
[22:05] <jcoxon> but swap the crystal for a si570
[22:05] <jcoxon> and therefore do cool stuff like RTTY
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[22:07] <fsphil> could probably make that into a tiny light little thing too
[22:08] <fsphil> 300mw
[22:08] <fsphil> I've seen dominoex working with 500mw
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[22:11] <oh3kav> i actually have build that radi0kit Pixie II, fits in a altoids box with 9V battery
[22:11] <oh3kav> and if you need only tx, then it is even less parts. might be possible to make it send sort of fsk
[22:12] <fsphil> all the interesting modes seem to be fsk
[22:13] <jcoxon> indeed
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[22:14] <fsphil> will be very interesting if we get to use HF properly
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[22:15] <jcoxon> hehe
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[22:35] <WillTablet> Hi
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[23:02] <G8APZ> Surprise .... B-17 is in the air again!!
[23:03] <fsphil> say what now
[23:05] <fsphil> madness
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[23:05] <fsphil> hopefully it doesn't come back down onto the water
[23:09] <G8APZ> it says it is 1500ft!!
[23:09] <fsphil> 732m, still rising
[23:09] <fsphil> and passed oh1jcs
[23:10] <G8APZ> must have iced up at altitude... 3gr spare lift will be enough to bring it down... at sea level ice coat melts and off we go!!
[23:11] <G8APZ> time to page all the OH fans (and Leo!!)
[23:12] <G8APZ> climbing at 70cm/s which is appropriate for 434MHz
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> one wavelength at a second :)
[23:13] <fsphil> slowing
[23:14] <G8APZ> OH1MN is shown as receiving
[23:14] <fsphil> 960m. hehe, this is cool
[23:15] <G8APZ> must have landed in a copse and had a rest. once ice melts off it goes... Russia here we come!!!
[23:16] <fsphil> if it floats again we'll know the balloon is intact and it was just ice
[23:16] <fsphil> or snow
[23:16] <fsphil> it's *very* lucky it landed on that island
[23:17] <G8APZ> and yes... the island had trees but sat images showed it in a clearing
[23:18] <fsphil> 1211m, still climbing
[23:18] <G8APZ> being blown about in a space... and melting the ice
[23:19] <G8APZ> FFFF King fantastic!!!
[23:21] <G8APZ> climbing at 80cm/s
[23:21] <G8APZ> CQ all OH insomniacs
[23:21] <fsphil> seems to match the launch ascent rate
[23:22] <G8APZ> must have been ice then
[23:22] <G8APZ> so balloon is intact
[23:22] <fsphil> hopefully it hasn't damaged the payload
[23:23] <fsphil> or the PV panels
[23:23] <G8APZ> it still is on TX
[23:23] <G8APZ> panels I fear may have damage due to being blown around the clearing
[23:24] <G8APZ> antenna still works
[23:26] <G8APZ> Altitude: 1345 m
[23:26] <G8APZ> about 5thou feet!!!
[23:27] <G8APZ> how do we alert trackers at this hour!!
[23:29] <oh3kav> i put my 434 setup back up and running, only with vertical this time
[23:31] <G8APZ> OH3KAV you may see it soon... with a 9ele I could hear sigs outside the circle
[23:31] <Mik_WD8MNV> just got home... B-17 might be alive after all??
[23:31] <G8APZ> Mik ... yes... it's on the road again!
[23:31] <arko> Wtf?
[23:31] <fsphil> it was just resting
[23:32] <G8APZ> arko: WTF?
[23:32] <arko> It always wanted to visit finland
[23:32] <G8APZ> nice place for a short stay
[23:33] <fsphil> 1700m. and on that note, g'nite!
[23:33] <G8APZ> still on the ascent....Altitude: 1727 m
[23:33] <oh3kav> I should probably get some sleep before heading to office (soon)
[23:34] <arko> Hahahahaha
[23:34] <G8APZ> gnite fsphil
[23:34] <arko> This is crazy!!
[23:34] <arko> Night dude
[23:34] <arko> I cant believe this
[23:34] <G8APZ> arko.. where are you?
[23:34] <enkidu> cmon... ice, again?
[23:34] <arko> Of course i can, its leo
[23:34] <arko> Im in Los Anglels
[23:34] <arko> Err
[23:34] <arko> Los angeles
[23:35] <G8APZ> arko: LA out of range for 70cm 10mW!!!
[23:35] <arko> :( you hab no idea how sad that makes me
[23:35] <G8APZ> yes... no other reason except ice
[23:35] <fsphil> wind could have kicked it up
[23:35] <fsphil> but I'm hoping it's not just that
[23:36] <G8APZ> fsphil: it is ascending so not just picked up and blown about
[23:36] <arko> I hope it lands on big land this time and gets recovered
[23:37] <arko> What i actually hope it does is come to los angeles
[23:37] <G8APZ> OH hams are determined when a 10gram souvenir is the goal
[23:37] <arko> Haha
[23:38] <arko> I hope people are listening for it
[23:38] <arko> Ill get my rig ready
[23:38] <G8APZ> arko: the winds here in Eu are mainly west to east
[23:38] <arko> Yeah
[23:39] <arko> It can just loop the world
[23:39] <G8APZ> arko: just launch some picos in USA
[23:39] <arko> I am!
[23:39] <arko> In 2 weeks, ill be launching a 434.5mhz rtty pico
[23:40] <G8APZ> last best distance lost due to no listeners
[23:40] <arko> Then another after that to try to float to the uk
[23:40] <arko> Yeah
[23:40] <arko> I want to plan the launch such that they will make it to the uk some how
[23:40] <arko> Not sure if it would work
[23:40] <G8APZ> why not!! must launch from NY not LA!!
[23:41] <arko> Haha
[23:41] <arko> Thats far!
[23:41] <G8APZ> NY to UK is far too
[23:41] <arko> True
[23:42] <arko> Gotta find a time when the winds are NE
[23:42] <G8APZ> foil 30" ballons can only have battery power to last a few days unless solar assisted
[23:43] <arko> Yeah, definitely going solar
[23:43] <G8APZ> and also... battery preservation ... needs blips and only send data at 5 mins
[23:44] <arko> Yeah
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[23:45] <F6AGV> night all !
[23:45] <arko> Good night!
[23:45] <F6AGV> same to you
[23:46] <arko> Sun is still up here :)
[23:47] <G8APZ> F6AGV B-17 is alive again
[23:47] <F6AGV> where are you arko ?
[23:47] <arko> Los Angeles
[23:47] <F6AGV> Yeah about B-17, I don't understand why it start again ???
[23:48] <G8APZ> F6AGV: I am also F1VJQ IN95ol
[23:48] <F6AGV> You speak french ?
[23:48] <arko> Anyone in finland want me to remotely operate and track while you sleep?
[23:48] <G8APZ> f6AGV: ice/gelee sur l'enveloppe
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[23:49] <G8APZ> 3.5gr c'est suffice
[23:49] <F6AGV> OK? ice on foil balloon ! it's not an automatic device ! Hi
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[23:51] <F6AGV> I can explain what append on my blog !
[23:51] <G8APZ> f6agv: non... il arrive au sol...and the ice melts.. et le vol continuee!
[23:51] <F6AGV> oui, c'était pas prévu je pense ? hein ?
[23:52] <F6AGV> il aurait pu se poser sur la mer ou se prendre dans un arbre ?
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[23:53] <F6AGV> my location is near Calais, my town is Guines
[23:54] <F6AGV> location is called "camp du drap d'or" !
[23:54] <G8APZ> it was not planned! the ballon is guided by the wind
[23:54] <G8APZ> Je connais... le drap d'or une bataille avec les anglais?
[23:54] <F6AGV> yeah I see thanks my friend, it's very curious !
[23:55] <F6AGV> oui, mais c'est là que nous vient la tradition de choquer les verres !
[23:57] <G8APZ> yes! a votre sante!!
[23:57] <F6AGV> yes à la bonne votre aussi !
[23:57] <G8APZ> je m'excuse.. le clavier est anglais ...pas d'accents
[23:58] <F6AGV> Azincourt is a battle, not "Camp du drap d'or" !
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[23:59] <G8APZ> I travel on M roads north of Calais and see the signs for drap d'or
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