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[03:22] <heathkid> everyone sleeping?
[03:28] <Mik_WD8MNV> it's early morning in EU
[03:30] <natrium42> it's evening in Cali
[03:30] <Mik_WD8MNV> true
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[04:18] <jcoxon> morning all
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[05:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning all
[05:27] <Mik_WD8MNV> morning
[05:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: cal You help me with the map?
[05:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> can
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[05:53] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, whats up?
[05:53] <jcoxon> oh its replayed
[05:56] <jcoxon> i don't have access to the spacenear.us database any longer
[05:56] <heathkid> again.. I need He or H...
[06:09] <Upu> not replay
[06:09] <Upu> point was uploaded just after midnight
[06:09] <Upu> fsphil can fix
[06:12] <jcoxon> so it thinks its midnight today
[06:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: hi. Can You Put my pico's frequency on the map? 437.600
[06:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> i'll ask fsphil to fix. Anyway why is so hard to make it right way (ie sequence number, and not the date)
[06:20] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, something to bring up either on #habhub or the mailing list
[06:20] <jcoxon> probably the sensible approach is to combine sequence id with time to make a unique number
[06:21] <jcoxon> as sequence isn't fool proof in case you reset the board
[06:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> right
[06:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> or just sum of time, sequence number and arrival timestamp :-)
[06:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> with weights
[06:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> 23h airborne
[06:27] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, can i take off SR0FLY?
[06:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: yes please. They had GPS problems
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[06:47] <Upu> done SP9UOB-Tom
[06:48] <Upu> the issue is the location was done just before midnight
[06:48] <Upu> but posted to the database just after
[06:48] <Upu> so it thinks its today rather than last night's time
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[06:48] <Upu> I have some SQL code to fix B-*
[06:48] <Upu> but I would err on the side of caution and let someone who actually understands it check it will fix your payload too
[06:49] <Upu> sure fsphil will be awake soon
[06:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: what done :-) ? I cant see any changes
[06:49] <Upu> caching wait a few
[06:50] <Upu> PSB still floating
[06:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: so the easiest dolution is to keep payload quiet one minute befrore midnight UTC :-)
[06:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> solution
[06:50] <Upu> yes that would fix it :)
[06:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok i'll do this :-)
[06:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: i see QRG on the map, thank You
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[07:16] <jcoxon> hey eroomde_ how was dinner?
[07:16] <eroomde_> nice tho i'm a bit delicate
[07:16] <eroomde_> we're building up to an oxfork
[07:17] <jcoxon> haha
[07:17] <jcoxon> standard weekend fair
[07:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> ping fsphil
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[07:18] <eroomde> yup
[07:18] <eroomde> coffee will do me good
[07:21] <jcoxon> :-)
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[07:21] <jcoxon> going to put my 13.556Mhz beacon online today
[07:22] <Darkside> what antenna?
[07:22] <jcoxon> exploring that right now
[07:22] <jcoxon> Darkside, its <10mW in power just to warn
[07:23] <Darkside> dipole
[07:23] <jcoxon> i think its going to have to be
[07:23] <jcoxon> space is an issue
[07:24] <Darkside> you wont have much choice on that band
[07:24] <Darkside> i gi guss you could do a vertical, if you could do a decent ground
[07:24] <Darkside> net connection going up and down because of the 400W transmitter 10m from the modem
[07:25] <jcoxon> the nice thing about 13.556Mhz is that we could fly it on a balloon licence exempt
[07:27] <Darkside> 40m TX is taking out the 3g really badly
[07:27] <Darkside> yes, but your biggst problem is RX noise
[07:27] <Darkside> the noise floor on 13.566MHz is going to b many tens of dB higher than on 70cm
[07:28] <Darkside> and i dont think the change in path loss will outweigh that
[07:29] <jcoxon> fair point
[07:29] <Darkside> you would ned to be doing a mode like WSPR to get any data through
[07:29] <Darkside> which can work at 20m
[07:29] <Darkside> 10mw i mean
[07:30] <jcoxon> then we fall into the requiring a licence
[07:30] <jcoxon> as its an si570 driving it I can change the freq
[07:31] <jcoxon> there are some other bands that could be tried
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[07:32] <jcoxon> Upu, i'm still getting SP9UOB as 23:59 point
[07:32] <Upu> Yeah no one has fixed it yet
[07:32] <jcoxon> oh i thought it was
[07:32] <jcoxon> fair enough
[07:33] <Upu> I've lost the SQL
[07:33] <Upu> probably safest
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[07:38] <Darkside> however there wont be anyone listening on that frq
[07:39] <Darkside> dont you have an amateur license?
[07:39] <jcoxon> sure i do but uk + amateur licence...
[07:39] <jcoxon> + balloons
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[07:44] <Upu> as soon as we use the amateur callsign we are operating under the amateur radio rules ergo not permitted airborne
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[07:46] <jcoxon> its certainly worth a play
[07:47] <Upu> tbh like anyone would notice anyway
[07:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning Guys
[07:47] <Upu> morning Steve
[07:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> morning Steve
[07:48] <eroomde> Upu: as soon as we use the amateur callsign we are operating under the amateur radio rules ergo not permitted airborne
[07:48] <eroomde> disagree ^
[07:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'd like to stick around for the xABENs etc. but I'm off to Whitstable today
[07:48] <Upu> that was my understanding of the rules but I'm listening
[07:48] <fsphil> SP9UOB-Tom: on it
[07:49] <Upu> morning fsphil :)
[07:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: hello :-)
[07:49] <eroomde> stating it is a requirement for operating on the freqs/bands specifically entitled by the license
[07:49] <eroomde> but you can do what you like on ism
[07:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Amazing the amount of dust you notice when the sun comes through the window in the morning....
[07:50] <eroomde> just as calling my Wifi hotspot M0TEK wouldn't be illegal
[07:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: maybe You can try WSPR on ISM band?
[07:50] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, i guess if we got people to listen it would work
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[07:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Haven't people used APRS on the ISM band in the UK before?
[07:51] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve: nice! i've only been once but liked it very much, very pretty
[07:51] <eroomde> wish i liked oysters
[07:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: yes. my 10mW at 20m was received in US
[07:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> eroomde: Yeah, hopefully it will stay bright for us. I'm taking my camera club for a visit.
[07:51] <eroomde> oh great
[07:51] <eroomde> that sounds like fun
[07:51] <fsphil> fixed now, refresh
[07:51] <eroomde> i should join a camera club
[07:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> eroomde: My other main interest other than radio/electronics/HAB etc.
[07:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> You should join us online. Are you on Facebook?
[07:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: thank You :-)
[07:52] <eroomde> yes but i don't really use it (i'm crap with social media as you might realise)
[07:53] <jcoxon> fsphil, do you still have kt5tk's payload?
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[07:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well, next time you're about: http://www.facebook.com/TheFriendlyPhotographyClub
[07:53] <fsphil> jcoxon: I do!
[07:53] <jcoxon> you should pico launch it
[07:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyone can join us, there's no restriction
[07:53] <fsphil> I'm planning to, just need to find a clear weekend
[07:54] <Upu> I see what you mean eroomde, it could do with some clarification I guess
[07:54] <fsphil> actually I could probably launch that today
[07:54] Action: G0TDJ_Steve *damn, another one I'll miss*
[07:54] <fsphil> but it's a bit cloudy out there -- cloud seems to cause problems for picos
[07:55] <jcoxon> while i take eroomde's point i suspect that using your callsign in an ISM situation pushes it a bit too far
[07:55] <eroomde> that's exactly what SSID is
[07:55] <eroomde> for example
[07:56] <Upu> I would say if you use your callsign in a band that is shared with amateur radio at that point that transmission comes under the amateur regulations
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[07:56] <Upu> however if the band isn't shared and its ISM then whatever call it donald duck
[07:56] <fsphil> if someone complained about someone using a callsign on an ism device, ofcom wouldn't bother about it at all
[07:56] <jcoxon> fsphil, well thats something different :-)
[07:56] <fsphil> I'm sure callsigns have appeared in many of my ISM transmissions by accident :)
[07:57] <Upu> they don't like beacons you can't shut down either but lets not go down that path
[07:57] <fsphil> yea there is that
[07:57] <eroomde> lots of ism bands are shared with AR
[07:57] <Upu> thats my point Ed :)
[07:57] <eroomde> still don't think that affects things in any way
[07:57] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: I guess you plan to use the WSPR-network? Write a poller to feed the spacenear tracker?
[07:57] <Upu> I guess we could do with some clarification on this
[07:57] <fsphil> there are people using their callsigns over optical links -- technically not amateur radio, but still radio :)
[07:57] <eroomde> well, the laws seem quite clear
[07:57] <eroomde> i'm not sure that clarification is needed
[07:58] <eroomde> the risk of confusing other hams is entirely something other than a legal/rights question
[07:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> I would never use my callsign on any band (including ISM) unless I was within all the licence conditions JUST in case, it's not worth the risk of my licence
[07:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: yes, at first i want to test it, ant then feed the data from WSPR.net to habitat, just like it does with aprs
[07:59] <fsphil> only ofcom could remove your license G0TDJ_Steve, and they'll be aware of the ISM rules too
[07:59] <Upu> I'm not so sure Ed sorry I think as soon as you use your call sign it becomes an Amateur transmission and falls under those rules
[07:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> I know fsphil but there are some real jobsworths out there. It's just not worth the hastle
[07:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> You guys have really strange law in UK
[07:59] <fsphil> Upu: what about someone else using my callsign on ISM? it's not against the rules
[07:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Tell us about it SP9UOB-Tom !
[08:00] <Upu> no idea fsphil
[08:00] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: sound very cool! What antenna do you use on the balloon?
[08:00] <eroomde> Upu: fine if you think that
[08:00] <Upu> lets all use each others call signs
[08:00] <eroomde> but you're wrong to think it
[08:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: vertical 1/2 lambda dipole
[08:00] <Upu> :)
[08:00] <fsphil> if the transmission falls under the ISM rules, the content of the transmission is irrelevant
[08:00] <fsphil> unless it's music
[08:00] <fsphil> weirdly
[08:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> and about 1 Watt output (BS170 Class E)
[08:00] <Upu> ah ok
[08:00] <jcoxon> right so how am i going to put up my antenna
[08:01] Action: jcoxon is moving on
[08:01] <Upu> get it
[08:01] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: you have any idea of when you´re ging to launch that payload?
[08:01] <eroomde> fsphil: well, music (am/fm modulated music anyway) is explicitly restricted by most ism rules iirc
[08:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Maybe someone should draft a letter of clarification to Ofcom and we all 'sign' it
[08:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> *stunned slience...........*
[08:02] <fsphil> eroomde: yea, with a few exceptions. I guess that's to stop the bands being filled up with wireless headphones and mics
[08:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: in October, but i dont know exact date by now - i'll let You know on the list
[08:02] <fsphil> the last time someone asked ofcom to clarify the rules, the response didn't say either way :)
[08:02] <OH7FXK> Morning
[08:03] <daveake> sounds average for them
[08:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> When was that fsphil Things and people change
[08:03] <fsphil> this was for using amateur radio devices to command a HAB payload
[08:03] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: One watt seems quite a lot?
[08:03] <jcoxon> hi OH7FXK
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[08:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: yes, but it'll be shared with dominoEX
[08:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Interesting fsphil
[08:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> for "ordinary" tracking :-)
[08:04] <fsphil> I don't remember when tha twas G0TDJ_Steve. should be on the mailing list somewhere
[08:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> You guys should really go to the Queen ;-)
[08:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> But if I remember by BR68 licence states that we cannot communicate with 'anyone' who is not licend themselves, meaning Ham to ISM was out of licence conditions
[08:04] <f5vnf> wish the conversations on here weren't so interesting , I have a bedroom that needs decorating ( so the YL keeps telling me) i also have a GW licence
[08:05] <Upu> lol
[08:05] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve: yeah indeed, so for example we had this debate wrt to uplink powers
[08:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: but commonicate != listening
[08:05] <eroomde> i.e. could we use AR powers and frees to uplink to a hab
[08:05] <eroomde> the rules basically suggested no
[08:06] <OH7FXK> oh7bd: is B-15 found yet?
[08:06] <eroomde> and the of com clarification women said basically 'well who the hell would even know?'
[08:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP9UOB-Tom: It would be classed as broadcasting then, not direct communication
[08:06] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/ukhas/nDoeUX7OqYs/YNZn_TmyPeUJ
[08:06] <eroomde> but qualified it as not being an official legal sanction
[08:06] <fsphil> oh cool, they're out looking for B-15?
[08:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Phil
[08:06] <fsphil> they tracked it down to near the ground
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[08:07] <fsphil> I don't think any have been recovered before
[08:07] <DL1SGP> good morning everyone
[08:07] <fsphil> Leo is the only one here with a worse recovery record than me :)
[08:07] <fsphil> morning DL1SGP
[08:07] <OH7FXK> fsphil: it landed near russian border in eastfinland
[08:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: so in fact You can use ISM (under ism rules) and tell hams to listen :-)
[08:07] <eroomde> however we did use about 10W to uplink to our balloon when we were doing uplinking
[08:07] <fsphil> very near the border
[08:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, that way round is fine SP9UOB-Tom
[08:08] <OH7FXK> but weather is quite dark, i hope it have enough power to keep tx on
[08:08] <eroomde> hopefully we didn't cause interference to anyone
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[08:09] <fsphil> 70cm is a big band
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[08:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> all: what does "faffing" means? I cant find it in dictionary?
[08:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: "it is not for Ofcom to decide matters of interpretation of a licence..." WHAT!??!? It's what they are there for!
[08:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Andy
[08:11] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve: http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?pageid=77&lang=en
[08:11] <eroomde> from your fb page
[08:11] <DL1SGP> SP9UOB-Tom: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faffing
[08:12] <eroomde> it's hard!
[08:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP9UOB-Tom: Faffing, mucking about without resolution, wasting time
[08:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve, DL1SGP thanks :-)
[08:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> eroomde: :D Yeah, but I got perfect *smiles*
[08:12] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: lol yea, that line
[08:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: Couldn't believe I read that
[08:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> eroomde: It's not a massively active Facebook page but I'm trying to encourage the 'members' to use it more
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[08:16] <eroomde> i got 10
[08:16] <eroomde> i'll blame it on the monitor
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's not bad eroomde :D
[08:16] <eroomde> right brunch
[08:16] <eroomde> bbl
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> You should try again and spend more time
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll be going when you get back, see you later
[08:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Talking of which, I have to go catch a coach! - Have a good day guys. I'll 'see' you later. Hope all the launches go well - 73
[08:18] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
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[08:20] <Maxell> bertrik: we should pre-order the NTX2B module for DomEX testing
[08:21] <Maxell> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=92
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[08:25] <OH2FQV> GM Gents, any news about B-15?
[08:25] <fsphil> eroomde: 4 .. seems I'm bad with blues. should write a song about it
[08:27] <DL1SGP> Am so blue, with the blue, singing good ole blues
[08:27] <Upu> morning OH2FQV nope possibly landed close to Russian border
[08:27] <Upu> don't know if anyone is going after it
[08:28] <DL1SGP> good morning Upu
[08:28] <OH2FQV> Morning Upu, thanks of info. I follow this chat till late night.
[08:28] <OH2FQV> GM DL1SGP
[08:29] <x-f> good morning, all
[08:29] <DL1SGP> good mornign OH2FQV , x-f
[08:29] <x-f> it might be quite suspicious a group of people with radios and various equipment in the borderland moving slowly and obviously trying to find something :|
[08:30] <x-f> (i know our borderline with Russia isn't that freely accessible)
[08:30] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is 24h airborne :-)
[08:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: indeed :-)
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[08:31] <x-f> congratulations, Tom, very nice floating :)
[08:31] <DL1SGP> as long as they do not fix greenpeace flags on their whip antennas :)
[08:31] <OH2FQV> It depends where you go to the finnish border, but it sure dont take long time to have courious officers there - from both sides :o)
[08:31] <fsphil> hah
[08:32] <RocketBoy> launching in 10 to 15min
[08:32] <DL1SGP> and on both sides they might not reject a good bottle of vodka :)
[08:32] <DL1SGP> though finish side might also like lakka!
[08:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: thank You. This tracker seems to do not use any power from battery ;-)
[08:32] <DL1SGP> yum
[08:33] <DL1SGP> good luck for the launch RocketBoy
[08:33] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, so it might as well exceed 60 hours?
[08:33] <RocketBoy> cheers
[08:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: yeah, i think so :-)
[08:33] <x-f> that's cool
[08:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: or the Energizer sold me by incident RTG instead of AA :-)
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[08:34] <x-f> :)
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[08:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> Im impressed with pressure altimeter accurancy. Really.
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[08:37] <bertrik> Actually, I'm surprised that you get such good results with the simple formula
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[08:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: it was taken from NOAA documents
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[08:39] <bertrik> I tried the very simple model (basically exponential) on the data from one of costyn's flights and it did fit but not very accurately
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[08:39] <bertrik> especially at high altitude, where the pressure is low, a small error in pressure gives a large error in altitude
[08:40] <bertrik> maybe I should try again with the NOAA formula
[08:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: The conversion of absolute pressure to altitude in meters is calculated based on US Standard
[08:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> Atmosphere 1976 (NASA).
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[08:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> NASA not NOAA :-)
[08:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> sorry :-)
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[08:46] <RocketBoy> its away
[08:46] <DL1SGP> Airborne, yeap
[08:46] <DL1SGP> enjoy the flight
[08:47] <Maxell> alerady?
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[08:47] <DL1SGP> Guten Morgen mclane
[08:48] <mclane> Hallo DL1SGP
[08:48] <nats`> hi everyone :)
[08:48] <DL1SGP> hi nats`
[08:48] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[08:48] <nats`> SSD are impressiv :)
[08:48] <nats`> I reinstalled my computer
[08:49] <Darkside> jcoxon: so ywah, rig up a dipol eif you can
[08:49] <Darkside> jcoxon: have you made a 1:1 balun before?
[08:49] <mclane> ping upu
[08:49] <Maxell> nats`: yes, I think I would not be able to switch back
[08:49] <Upu_M0UPU> hi mclane
[08:49] <nats`> Maxell feels like working entirely from RAM
[08:49] <mclane> Hi upu - I saw your announcement for the NTX2B - I would be interested in ordering 2
[08:50] <Maxell> XABEN58 - 434.300MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: XABEN1
[08:50] <Maxell> XABEN59 - 434.350MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: uXABEN
[08:50] <Upu_M0UPU> no problems just place the order and I'll ship as soon as they arrive
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[08:50] <nats`> what is the NTX2B ?
[08:50] <iain_G4SGX> Are they are lot more stable Upu?
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[08:51] <Upu_M0UPU> yes iain_G4SGX TCXO
[08:51] <jcoxon> Darkside, yeah i've done a balun before
[08:51] <Upu_M0UPU> daveake flew two on the recent Pi launches
[08:51] <Upu_M0UPU> they don't move at all
[08:52] <jcoxon> just fixing a few bugs first
[08:52] <ConSi> SP9UOB-Tom: The main purpose of this cheap baloon was to test the altimeter for future SEBA-X project?
[08:52] <iain_G4SGX> upu: tnx, dont suppose they work at 2V? :)
[08:52] <Upu_M0UPU> negative :)
[08:52] <Upu_M0UPU> you'll have to make your own SI based radio for that
[08:53] <iain_G4SGX> yeh, working with a Si4032
[08:53] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: Just airborne: XABEN58 - 434.300MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: XABEN1 #UKHAS #HAB
[08:53] <RocketBoy> its a livery wind free day ere
[08:53] <iain_G4SGX> on an RM42B currently for testing only.
[08:53] <iain_G4SGX> *RFM
[08:53] <RocketBoy> clear too -the balloons gonna be visible fore ages
[08:53] <number10_M0MDB> nice day for a launch RocketBoy
[08:54] <RocketBoy> yeah - absolutly
[08:54] <number10_M0MDB> love your 70s picture with flares
[08:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> ConSi: yes, and to play with some ultralight payload. To be prepared for motorbike tracking ;-)
[08:54] <Upu_M0UPU> I've got a 4460 runing at 1.8V
[08:54] <Upu_M0UPU> going to launch it soon
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[08:54] <RocketBoy> I'm in no rush to chase this one - i have another launch in about 1.5 hours
[08:54] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM all
[08:54] <ConSi> SP9UOB-Tom: :) sounds awesome
[08:55] <fsphil> xaben1's up
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[08:56] <DL1SGP> good morning Herman-PB0AHX
[08:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is frequentie off xaben1 ??
[08:56] <fsphil> 2.5m/s ascent? you aiming to do a floaty?
[08:56] <GMT> 434.301
[08:56] <DL1SGP> XABEN58 - 434.300MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: XABEN1
[08:56] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx
[08:56] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.301
[08:56] <RocketBoy> gonna need some help traceking - especially when it lands - as i will be miles away chasing the 2nd launch - which is going somewhere totally diofferent
[08:57] <DL1SGP> fsphil: guess they want to go over the channel :)
[08:57] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: in 1.5 hours there will be XABEN59 - 434.350MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: uXABEN
[08:57] <Upu_M0UPU> Tracking i think you'll be ok with RocketBoy
[08:57] <fsphil> lol
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[09:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx maxell
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[09:00] <mclane> upu: will you use dominoex with your SiLabs device?
[09:01] <Maxell> Herman-PB0AHX: have fun tracking
[09:01] <Upu_M0UPU> no I can't get the frequency steps down to what is needed
[09:01] <Maxell> PB0NER: tracking today?
[09:01] <Upu_M0UPU> but you can do it on the NTX2B
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[09:02] <mclane> using a DAC?
[09:02] <Darkside> or resistor network
[09:02] <bertrik> even PWM :)
[09:03] <mclane> ah thats interesting: PWM with a low pass filter I guess
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[09:03] <bertrik> the NTX2 already has a built-in low-pass
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[09:04] <fsphil> dominoex on an ntx2 is possible, but badly
[09:04] <mclane> why badly?
[09:04] <Upu_M0UPU> drifts
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[09:05] <mclane> yea but the 2b should be more stable?
[09:05] <Upu_M0UPU> to do DomEX just stick a resistor on there to get the shift down and use PWM
[09:05] <Upu_M0UPU> I found 130k resistor gives the shift for DomEX16
[09:05] <Upu_M0UPU> @ 5V
[09:05] <Upu_M0UPU> it is way more stable
[09:06] <Upu_M0UPU> they didn't move at all on Daves flights
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[09:07] <mclane> ok, will try that once the NTX2b arrives
[09:08] <db_g6gzh> Oh, -ve ISH caught me out there ...
[09:08] <mclane> probably I will build a simple tracker based on this to run it in parallel with a proven design
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[09:10] <G4AIU-Eugene> Good morning all
[09:10] <DL1SGP> Good Morning G4AIU-Eugene
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[09:11] <G4AIU-Eugene> DL1SGP - GOOD MORNING
[09:11] <nats`> hi :)
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[09:26] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: I didn't received it yet
[09:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: hi
[09:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: it is heading to You qrg: 437.600.52
[09:27] <yo5pjb> tell me in fldigi at what frequency should be the signal ?
[09:27] <yo5pjb> .52
[09:27] <yo5pjb> ok
[09:28] <yo5pjb> only every 3 minutes he sends the identification ?
[09:28] <yo5pjb> and the rtty stream ?
[09:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> 437.600.52 is current DIAL frequency - signal is at 1500 Hz
[09:29] <yo5pjb> at 1500hz is the left or right signal ? or is the center of signals ?
[09:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: it is continiously transmitting RTTY, then CW with allmost no gaps, so tx is ON all the time
[09:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> XABEN 1 is frifting fast here
[09:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: center
[09:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> drifting
[09:30] <PE2G> Herman-PB0AHX: What's your current dial pls?
[09:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: you should see two lines on waterfall
[09:30] <yo5pjb> I receive a very low level rtty signal (I see in spectrogram the left and right lines) but is drifting from frequency
[09:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: yes it is drifting littlebit
[09:30] <yo5pjb> and as I saw is less than 470hz between them
[09:30] <yo5pjb> maybe 460
[09:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> 305
[09:30] <PE2G> Thanks
[09:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> shift is 480
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[09:31] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.303 on XABEN now
[09:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> turn AFC on, and choose SP9UOB-PICO9 from flight list, then click Auto-configure
[09:31] <yo5pjb> so I've had the wrong configs, that's why not decoding yet :)
[09:31] <fsphil> turn SQL off too
[09:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> right
[09:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> now it transmit morse
[09:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> and RTTY again
[09:33] <bertrik> is the signal from an NTX2 "cleaner" (narrower bandwidth for the two frequencies) than the signal from an RFM22?
[09:33] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: could you please paste here how a decoded stream shoud look ? to see at least if I do a partial decoding
[09:33] <OH7JG> searching teams on the way for b-15 balloon
[09:33] <fsphil> it does seem to be bertrik
[09:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> $$$$SP9UOB,4840,093311,48.06626,20.50729,7328,7114,21,127,-7,40411,145,d9*A98B
[09:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> $$$$SP9UOB,4841,093329,48.06568,20.50845,7329,7105,21,127,-7,40461,145,cb*7890
[09:34] <fsphil> OH7JG: awesome!
[09:35] <yo5pjb> so, right now I have : baud rate : 50 / bits per character: 7 / parity: none / stop bits : 2
[09:35] <yo5pjb> is that correct ?
[09:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: yes, just use auto-configure feature :-)
[09:36] <Upu_M0UPU> wow amazing OH7JG
[09:36] <GMT> I hope they manage to find B15 ... first of Leo's recovered after a long flight?
[09:37] <x-f> yo5pjb, make sure you have launched the HAB version of dl-fldigi, not the other one
[09:37] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: sorry but I have no auto configure at rtty, just using the custom configure
[09:37] <fsphil> GMT: I believe so
[09:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: right, i forgot to tel him...
[09:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[09:37] <OH7JG> OH7JG OH7HJ OH7BD OH7CQ OH7EG OH7EBY going to unknown http://aprs.fi/oh7hj-9
[09:38] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is keeping my fingers crossed!
[09:38] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll put you on spacenear.us 1 sec OH7JG
[09:38] <yo5pjb> x-f: well.. I have the dl-fldigi 3.21.50
[09:38] <yo5pjb> probably not the custom one
[09:38] <GMT> OH7JG: have you looked at Leo's website to see what the payload looks like?
[09:38] <x-f> yo5pjb, you should have two dl-fldigi icons on your desktop
[09:39] <yo5pjb> nop
[09:39] <yo5pjb> dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[09:39] <OH7JG> yes
[09:39] <yo5pjb> this is what I've installed
[09:39] <Upu_M0UPU> you are on Spacenear.us as a balloon OH7JG
[09:39] <x-f> that's the right one, look in the Start menu then
[09:39] <yo5pjb> ok.. I will search for the other fl-digi
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: ok, then You should have two icond
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: ok, then You should have two iconds
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: ok, then You should have two icons
[09:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: after installing
[09:39] <OH7JG> but I think that it has gon longer
[09:40] <DL7AD> good morning :)
[09:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows.exe
[09:41] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: reinstalling it again
[09:41] <bertrik> we're receiving XABEN1 loud and clear here at revspace (about 295km distance)
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[09:42] <DL1SGP> good job bertrik
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[09:44] <LeoBodnar> mornings!
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[09:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: look what You did, those guys are heading to Russian Border.. ;-)
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[09:45] <DutchMillbt> Good morning
[09:45] <x-f> following the steps of hot Slovak guys :)
[09:45] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: now I'm receiving it clear and loud
[09:45] <x-f> good morning
[09:45] <yo5pjb> and decoding everything
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[09:46] <LeoBodnar> lol this is fun!
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[09:47] <Upu_M0UPU> Leo : [10:37] <OH7JG> OH7JG OH7HJ OH7BD OH7CQ OH7EG OH7EBY going to unknown http://aprs.fi/oh7hj-9
[09:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: cool, but i dond see Your data uploaded. Are You online? (DL-client-> online checkbox)
[09:47] <x-f> yo5pjb, does the dl-fldigi's status line say that you are uploading too? you're not appearing in the list
[09:47] <yo5pjb> I'm online
[09:47] <PE2G> OH7JG: Good luck with your search. Impressive search team!
[09:47] <Upu_M0UPU> take many pictures :)
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[09:48] <fsphil> the balloon should stand out on that landscape
[09:49] <bertrik> there's also an impressive number of receivers today
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[09:49] <fsphil> but if it's at the top of those trees, there's little hope
[09:49] <DL1SGP> they might have tools :)
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[09:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: strange, i cant see your data on the server
[09:49] <GMT> might need an axe or chainsaw?
[09:50] <yo5pjb> Uploaded payload_telemetry succesfully
[09:50] <LeoBodnar> shoot it down
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[09:51] <LeoBodnar> international rescue! XD
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[09:51] <iain_G4SGX> OH7JG: Good luck guys.. Hope you brought a big stick! (Lots of trees)
[09:51] <OH7JG> track http://aprs.fi/oh7mmt-5 for real time position. oh7hj-9 is out of range
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[09:51] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: I've reinstalled dl-fldigi few times and no icons appear on desktop, so I have to start it from /ProgramFiles/fl-digi-3.21.50/dl-fldigi.exe
[09:51] <jcoxon> if anyone has a radio capable of USB 13.556Mhz have a listen out for my low power test beacon
[09:51] <LeoBodnar> OH7JG: best of luck!
[09:51] <OH7JG> ty
[09:51] <Upu_M0UPU> switched
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[09:52] <OH7JG> now @ ilomantsi
[09:52] <PE2G> Receiving XABEN1 on 434.306.8 , 447 km -0.2
[09:52] <bertrik> jcoxon: I'll listen on the utwente websdr :) How can I recognise you?
[09:52] <jcoxon> bertrik, its SlowHell followed by RTTY
[09:52] <fsphil> oooh what'cha transmitting jcoxon?
[09:52] <iain_G4SGX> jcoxon: where are you?
[09:52] <jcoxon> London
[09:52] <jcoxon> the antenna is not great
[09:52] <DL1SGP> yo5pjb: I think that is missing the hab-mode parameter, it should be something like "C:\Program Files\Dl-Fldigi-3.21.50_secondary\dl-fldigi.exe" --hab
[09:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Blimey just come down and thought the Finns had been cloning B-15! I see there tracking ;-)
[09:52] <jcoxon> but thought it would be worth a go
[09:53] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: I can fire up my 13.556 MHZ DominoEX 4 for fun later today too XD
[09:53] <yo5pjb> DL1SGP: restarting then with that -hab mode
[09:53] <DL1SGP> yea just put --hab behind the path :)
[09:53] <mikestir> jcoxon: nothing here, but my antenna is sub-optimal. needs to be higher
[09:54] <yo5pjb> DL1SGP: now is anoter mode.. different UI
[09:54] <yo5pjb> another
[09:54] <DL1SGP> good :)
[09:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> ballon is over my range now
[09:54] <x-f> now you have autoconfigure
[09:54] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: what antenna do you have?
[09:54] <jcoxon> just a 1/4 wave wire
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[09:54] <yo5pjb> DL1SGP: now It is doing the checksum over the packets, that wasn't before
[09:54] <LeoBodnar> with GP or dipole?
[09:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: now You are in the system
[09:55] <DL7AD_> good morning :)
[09:55] <iain_G4SGX> Londons a bit too close for rx on that freq.
[09:55] <fsphil> 13.556 USB dial tuned
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[09:55] <DL1SGP> yo5pjb: you should get green packets es stuff, and it should be uploading in that case, make sure the dl-client is set online
[09:55] <jcoxon> i'll leave it running
[09:55] <fsphil> just hearing noise
[09:55] <fsphil> what's the audio offset for the slowhell?
[09:55] <LeoBodnar> cool
[09:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: can You rise some more Romanian HAMS ?
[09:55] <iain_G4SGX> Would be better to try german SDR
[09:55] <DL1SGP> yo5pjb: SP9UOB-Tom :great glad to hear that worke
[09:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: some romanian ham-forum or something ?
[09:56] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: I've send a message to radioamator.ro an hour ago
[09:56] <OH2FQV> GM Leo
[09:56] <yo5pjb> let's see if I recieve an reply
[09:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: cool, thanks
[09:56] <LeoBodnar> good morning OH2FQV !
[09:56] <DL7AD_> SP9UOB-Tom: i already have ccontacted some romanians
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[09:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: battery should run more than 40 hours from now on
[09:57] <OH2FQV> See what a fuzz you caused :) People all over here is driving for the resque
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[09:57] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: contacted 3 in bucharest from who already one replied...
[09:57] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: and one in sofia
[09:58] <OH2FQV> LeoBodnar At least at Helsinki has sunny weather, hopefully OH7 guys has as nice weather there and solar cells gives enough power to locate the balloon
[09:58] <LeoBodnar> It's an eventful weekend for Finns :)
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[09:59] <LeoBodnar> I hope the weather stays good
[09:59] <fsphil> jcoxon: receiving something at +782hz
[09:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: cool - thanks :-)
[10:00] <iain_G4SGX> jcoxon: Now hear summut on 13.556 buts its not rtty or cw
[10:00] <fsphil> in slowhell mode it's drawing some possibly very tiny text
[10:01] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/hGUu13t.png
[10:01] <OH2FQV> I give a D for weather, but the balloon must got resqued ;o) I develope strange bond for it
[10:01] <jcoxon> that could be something
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[10:01] <fsphil> doesn't sound like slowhell
[10:01] <jcoxon> or it could be noise
[10:01] <bertrik> I see something too on 13.556 , about 200 Hz wide, repetition rate 2.5/s or so
[10:02] <fsphil> it's not changing to rtty so at any point so it's not it
[10:02] <jcoxon> so on my 817 its tunned to 13.556 the signal is at 2100 on the waterfall
[10:02] <jcoxon> buy my 817 for some reason is always a little off
[10:03] <fsphil> trying that
[10:03] <LeoBodnar> OH2FQV they are addictive
[10:04] <fsphil> just noise
[10:04] <jcoxon> ping LazyLeopard
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[10:04] <jcoxon> fsphil, i suspect i need a better antenna
[10:04] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: 13.556 is very noisy in the middle, try to TX on the very edge of the ISM range
[10:04] <fsphil> I seem to be receiving a lot of QRM too
[10:05] <fsphil> I might also be too near you for 13mhz
[10:05] <LazyLeopard> Hello jcoxon
[10:05] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: are you are already on the edge :D
[10:05] <iain_G4SGX> Yep, I hardly ever hear any UK stations on 14MHz unless they're ground-wave.
[10:05] <LeoBodnar> *ah
[10:05] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, can you do 13Mhz?
[10:06] <jcoxon> as you are quite near to me
[10:06] <LazyLeopard> Receive, possibly, on my 14MHz antenna?
[10:06] <jcoxon> yeah that should do it
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> What sort of listening do you want?
[10:07] <jcoxon> well its txing on 13.556
[10:07] <jcoxon> rtty and slowhell in USB
[10:08] <fsphil> what frequency is xaben on?
[10:08] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.306
[10:08] <Maxell> fsphil: dial is 434.308 MHz, dl-fldigi @ 1200 hz
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[10:09] <fsphil> thanks
[10:09] <PE2G> I have XABEN1 on 434.307.8
[10:09] <iain_G4SGX> and rising! lol
[10:09] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah not the most stable
[10:10] <Upu_M0UPU> Finnish recovery team are within a few km of last B-15 position
[10:11] <LazyLeopard> Not seeing anything on the waterfall with dial 13.445-13.556 here. All manner of stuff at 13.557 and up though...
[10:11] <PE2G> Upu_M0UPU: Wish I was there too
[10:11] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
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[10:11] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: why not solar cell to recharge the battery ? or you do not expect the baloon to stay in the air for long time ?
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[10:11] <Upu_M0UPU> you should see the trees round there :)
[10:11] <iain_G4SGX> Loving the 'track in street view' on APRS.fi. Almost there too!
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[10:12] <PE2G> Upu_M0UPU: never mind the trees, I like DF-ing in the field
[10:12] <Upu_M0UPU> hope its still transmitting
[10:13] <PE2G> Yeah
[10:13] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: 13.554-13.556 even...
[10:13] <bertrik> the XABEN signal is a bit wobbly in frequency
[10:13] <GMT> jcoxon: very noisy here on 13.556
[10:13] <nats`> what don't you power up the board 1 hour before launching ?
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[10:14] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, fair enough
[10:14] <jcoxon> i'll try and improve the antenna
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[10:16] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: can you put the actual modem right on the edge of the band at 13.553?
[10:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> KT5TK: hi Thomas :-0
[10:16] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, yeah can do that
[10:17] <jcoxon> just need a bit of trial and error with the settings
[10:17] <jcoxon> do we think the rescue team are going the wrong way?
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[10:17] <Upu_M0UPU> no it was at 500 meters its towards where they are going
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN1_20131006/
[10:18] <Upu_M0UPU> ah they need to come south a bit now
[10:18] <GMT> there aren't too many roads up there, so you have to go where you can
[10:18] <LeoBodnar> sides of 13.56 are cleaner than the centre
[10:19] <iain_G4SGX> Lots of room for antenna is Finland, these guys got a top band yagi! http://www.radioarcala.com/
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[10:20] <fsphil> woo, hearing rtty
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[10:21] <Upu_M0UPU> its very drifty
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[10:23] <fsphil> drifty and weak atm
[10:23] <fsphil> hmm.. my cat interface to the 857 is working today
[10:23] <fsphil> that was refusing to work yesterday
[10:24] <PE2G> XABEN fading's deeper, partial decodes
[10:24] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: is it 10mW?
[10:24] <OH7JG> what is b15 freq?
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[10:25] <HA6NN> Hello all :)
[10:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 434.5MHz
[10:25] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, a little less i think
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[10:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: hello :-)
[10:25] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Also, what sort of antenna?
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[10:26] <Upu_M0UPU> look for the pips OH7JG
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> OH7JG: 434.500 USB
[10:26] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, currently a 1/4 wave but i'm having difficulty getting it to be extended away from the balcony
[10:26] <HA6NN> I have finished tracking at 10:13 UT when the balloon was flying above KN07hx at altitude 7328 m
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[10:27] <HA6NN> Tom: Hello, I have made a public video. You can find it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmMKb8mP7hQ&feature=em-upload_owner#action=share
[10:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: are You receieving something now ?
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[10:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: thanks, anyway can You raise some HA HAMS to pickup the signal ?
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[10:28] <HA6NN> No Tom, My antenna is fixed and I can not see the South-East direction. Otherwise you balloon is behind the Matra mountains...
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[10:30] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: I've switched to the lower HF vertical, which will have more metal in the air...
[10:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: nice video :-)
[10:30] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, i'll see if i can get it a bit better
[10:30] <HA6NN> Tom: Yes, I have done it yesterday via FM repeaters and today on Facebook as well. My fellows did the same. Unfortunately IARU Region 1 UHF/SHF Contest is going on! It will be finished at 14:00 UT
[10:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: thanks :-)
[10:31] <HA6NN> Tom: Tnx for ur compliment!
[10:32] <HA6NN> Hopefully portable UHF stations may find some time to take a look at 437,6 MHz after the contest!
[10:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> i have 301.3km and 0 elevation decodes :-)
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[10:34] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, i've moved the antenna bit more
[10:34] <jcoxon> might be a bit better now
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[10:36] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: are you on 13.553 USB?
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[10:36] <jcoxon> just about to switch to that
[10:36] <jcoxon> hold on
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[10:41] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Lots of noise on the vertical. Much less on the cobweb, but can't see anything that looks like RTTY there.
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[10:42] <G8APZ> Does anyone know about the two OH "balloons on the map? Is this a B-15 recovery team on the ground?
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[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> It is I thought they had been cloning overnight
[10:42] <GMT> G8APZ:yes, thats them
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[10:42] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Some regular(-ish) changes in noise level though.
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[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Another track of them is on APRS http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FOH7MMT-5&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[10:44] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: is it 10mW signal?
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[10:44] Action: DL1SGP will send oh7mmt a message through aprs :)
[10:44] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: There's a huge signal here at 13.560
[10:44] <G8APZ> Does that mean B-15 probably came down? They must have a signal or wouldn't be wandering on the ground!
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[10:45] <jcoxon> the beacon is off currently
[10:45] <LeoBodnar> LazyLeopard: they are card readers probably
[10:45] <jcoxon> as i'm changing the freq
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You can see the last height in the pane, ground level is 150-180m in the area
[10:46] <LazyLeopard> Ok.
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[10:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> LeoBodnar Sorry that my tracking stoped at midnight, one of my guests had turned the computer off!
[10:48] <iain_G4SGX> A 13MHZ sig would best be received 1 skip away, ie about 1500 miles ish at 10mW especially.. Inter Uk is normally not happening.
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[10:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dial for xaben1?
[10:49] <G8APZ> GMT: Thanks for reply
[10:49] <GMT> 434.307
[10:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks
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[10:50] <fsphil> still a very weak signal for xaben1
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[10:50] <bertrik> the XABEN signal looks a bit assymmetric here, with the low frequency signal much louder than the high frequency signal
[10:50] <LazyLeopard> fsphil: It's fairly variable here. ;)
[10:50] <GMT> fsphil: any idea when you might launch yours? I want to let a mate know, so he can come see and take some photos
[10:52] <fsphil> GMT: I've put a request to the CAA for the 19th+20th
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[10:52] <fsphil> short notice but hopefully he'll just update the previous notam
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[10:53] <GMT> fsphil: okay, I will let him know. same launch site?
[10:53] <fsphil> GMT: yes
[10:53] <jcoxon> okay i've moved it to 13.553
[10:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon are you going to launch a HF balloon?
[10:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, well in theory perhaps
[10:54] <jcoxon> but actually it working is a different matter
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[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is that a licens free freq?
[10:55] <jcoxon> yes
[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i see, didnt know that
[10:55] <DL1SGP> good day Brian :)
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[10:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> DL1SGP hi
[10:56] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, if you happy to give it another go try 13.553 around 1700 on the waterfall
[10:56] <jcoxon> i can hear it indoors on my 817 with no antenna (i appreciate that its only a few walls but its something...)
[10:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> morning / afternoon / night (select your timezone)
[10:57] <DL1SGP> Goedendag Wouter :)
[10:57] Nick change: Semordnilap -> Willdude123
[10:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting XABEN1 on the X-50 here, remote station is offline :(
[10:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Goedemiddag Felix
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Listening there.
[10:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hey palindrome! ;)
[10:58] <Willdude123> Got up at 5:45 this morning because by French exchange student left. It was a little odd, as he didn't wave or say goodbye, he just got on the bus.
[10:58] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: What RTTY shift?
[10:59] <jcoxon> 350
[10:59] <DL1SGP> he wanted to hide the tears he now sheds on the way back to France Willdude123
[10:59] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, the slowhell will be the easier thing to decode if you can actually see it
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[11:00] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Can't see anything in the waterfall.
[11:00] <Willdude123> Heh
[11:00] <LazyLeopard> With the vertical there's too much local noise.
[11:00] <jcoxon> oh well
[11:00] <Willdude123> He didn't make his bed, which is unlike him
[11:00] <LazyLeopard> Brief blip a few seconds back
[11:01] <LazyLeopard> Probably local QRM though.
[11:01] <jcoxon> never mind
[11:01] <jcoxon> it sort of needs a proper installation somewhere
[11:01] <number10_M0MDB> i had a listen jcoxon - but no decent antenna
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[11:02] <jcoxon> where i can do a vertical dipole
[11:03] <nats`> Willdude123 did you inform any one ?
[11:03] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: It's a rather smoother noise floor than I usually see there ;)
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[11:03] <Willdude123> nats`, what do you mean?
[11:03] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, my 817 might be off frequency
[11:03] <tr0lli> oh7mmt is suspicously running aroun din circles :-)
[11:04] <LazyLeopard> I've looked up and down a bit...
[11:04] <jcoxon> fair enough
[11:04] <nats`> you said that's weird
[11:04] <RocketBoy> 2nd one away
[11:04] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, whats the aim of this one?
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[11:05] <jcoxon> thanks for listening LazyLeopard
[11:05] <jcoxon> bbl
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[11:05] <PB1DFT> Moggel
[11:06] <daveake> uXABEN is up too
[11:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> xaben1 in now
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[11:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $$ $XABEN1,655,11:0f:50,52.07458,0.8>X868
[11:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> first green
[11:08] <Willdude123> nats`, it's nothing too peculiar
[11:08] <GMT> OZ1SKY_Brian: how far?
[11:08] <Willdude123> Just a bit odd
[11:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 772,8km
[11:08] <GMT> impressive!
[11:09] <nats`> maybe I misunderstood Willdude123 I though he left without planning it before :D
[11:09] <Willdude123> Heh
[11:09] <fsphil> you're getting better decodes than I am OZ1SKY_Brian
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[11:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil 90% green now
[11:10] <Willdude123> It's bits of maths homework like this which make me lose interest in maths completely. http://imgur.com/YQYjhOt
[11:10] <fsphil> I'm only getting little fragments of strings
[11:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> s/n 16db
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[11:11] <fsphil> -23dB :)
[11:12] <daveake> 4km for xaben1
[11:12] <daveake> 40
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[11:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 41000 nice
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[11:14] <daveake> HomingHAB
[11:15] <bertrik> nice, what's the expected burst altitude?
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[11:16] <number10_M0MDB> 44380 would be ok
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[11:16] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
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[11:16] Action: daveake opens up record table for future reference :/
[11:16] <fsphil> still got that program that updates live? :)
[11:17] <daveake> yes
[11:17] <bertrik> go XABEN1!
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[11:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh
[11:18] <bertrik> wobble
[11:18] <number10_M0MDB> bit of a wobble
[11:18] <PE2G> Burst
[11:18] <fsphil> yea gone here
[11:18] <fsphil> though it wasn't really here much to begin with
[11:18] Action: daveake closes program
[11:18] <number10_M0MDB> didnt quite push ANU2 down another notch
[11:19] <fsphil> this might actually land on steve's house
[11:19] <bertrik> I got a fragment saying 42041 and possibly another one saying 42118
[11:19] <daveake> We should make a HAB points table
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[11:19] <mclane> what kind of balloon was it?
[11:19] <daveake> Points for landing ... at launch site, at specified location, at owner's house, in owner's arms
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[11:20] <PE2G> $$$lABg1,_2<yx1x24,5r.09193,1.13515,42118*DD73
[11:20] <fsphil> I didn't even get that much
[11:20] <number10_M0MDB> only get 1 point if you land near my house
[11:20] <g0hww> whats the freq for uXaben, please?
[11:20] <fsphil> 100 points if you land near here
[11:21] <fsphil> 1000 for the isle of man
[11:21] <daveake> $4$$$ABKlW0)qQ\18p04,52.0W13515,42118*DD73
[11:21] <fsphil> though you have to recover it
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[11:21] <bertrik> PE2G: I also got the 42118 one with DD73 CRC (but garbled)
[11:21] <daveake> I think that's enough proof for the 42118
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[11:23] <daveake> number10_M0MDB Your house is at the centre of the HAB Bermuda Triangle
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[11:23] <fsphil> closest I got was 4$XAVEN1,717,b1:17:25,29|681.11641895*@6 :)
[11:23] <number10_M0MDB> it is :) - I have received two that were on the ground
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[11:23] <daveake> yup!
[11:24] <fsphil> very slow descent
[11:24] <number10_M0MDB> and a few more just a little further out
[11:24] <daveake> oh that is slow
[11:24] <fsphil> and slowing quickly
[11:24] <fsphil> which just sounds weird
[11:24] <daveake> :)
[11:25] <fsphil> we might have a balloonachute
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[11:25] <daveake> yes I was thinking that
[11:25] <daveake> well its needs to break soo if so
[11:26] <daveake> n
[11:26] <Herman-PB0AHX> snik snik XABEN1 going down
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[11:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> well, just in time for uXABEN ;)
[11:27] <daveake> SDR rx both at same time :)
[11:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> too bad I do not have access to the work setup now
[11:27] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes wouter but first 1 must be down here
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[11:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> some times now red lines here
[11:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> RXing on diamond X-50 with 25m Aircell and no pre-amp
[11:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> :-(
[11:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> herman, I got green at home, so you should have green
[11:28] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> noise ?
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[11:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> lot of noise now here
[11:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> mhhh
[11:29] <number10_M0MDB> and here strangely
[11:29] <G8APZ> XABEN heading for the drink?
[11:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> we should visit your neighbors to throw out all the PLT modems ;)
[11:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> but green lines agn
[11:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can go to that women student house to kindly ask
[11:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes do that for me pse
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[11:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> age abt 21 years old i think
[11:31] <g0hww> what is the freq for uXABEN, pse?
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[11:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> 350
[11:31] <bertrik> XABEN1 doesn't waste any bytes in its telemetry string. What's its payload?
[11:32] <number10_M0MDB> probably just the tracker
[11:32] <g0hww> 434.350?
[11:32] <PE2G> uXABEN drifting just like XABEN1 ?
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[11:33] <DL1SGP> XABEN59 - 434.350MHz 475Hz shift 50baud 7N1 ASCII FSK Callsign: uXABEN
[11:33] <g0hww> DL1SGP, thanks
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[11:33] <DL1SGP> you are welcome g0hww
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[11:35] <G8APZ> DL1SGP: Looks like OH7MMT still searching for sigs B-15!
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[11:37] <bertrik> RevSpace switched from tracking XABEN1 to uXABEN
[11:37] <daveake> xaben1 spiining a lot again
[11:37] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nice spin
[11:37] <daveake> ah and speeding up vertically
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[11:37] <PE2G> You can visualisize the spin by the audio :)
[11:38] <daveake> sure can
[11:38] <G8APZ> XABEN1 heading for Orford Ness!
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[11:38] <Upu_M0UPU> good place to land I can recommend it
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[11:38] <daveake> :)
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[11:43] <daveake> spinning again now
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[11:44] <gm4jtj> exact frequency for uXABEN please gentlemen??
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.299.296 drifitng low
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[11:45] <daveake> that's xaben1 not uxaben
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[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oops wrong VFO try 434.353.940
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not even XABEN1 daveake
[11:46] <daveake> ah yeah :)
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was my reference freq!
[11:46] <gm4jtj> G8DHE thank you for that, nothing up here yet.
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> for drift on the Rx end!
[11:46] <daveake> forgot I was tuned downside of the LO on that one
[11:47] <DL1SGP> 2013-10-06 12:29:58 BST: OH7MMT-5>DL1SGP-5: No luck yet
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[11:50] <JFS1> Is Xaben 1 aiming for a ferry landing? How many points for that in your league table Dave?
[11:51] <G8APZ> looks as if it's headed for Bawdsey Manor and Felixstowe Ferry but not dropping fast enough!
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[11:52] <number10_M0MDB> thanks for the card junderwood
[11:52] <junderwood> You're welcome. Thanks for tracking!
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[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Notice theat dl-fldigi is reporting habitat::Unmergerable error
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> every few records for both balloons?
[11:57] <GMT> not getting 'unmergable error', just 'uploaded successfully'
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[11:59] <G8APZ> XABEN1 needs some stiff onshore winds to save it!!
[11:59] <nats`> someone here know some used equipment or some diy circuit to do a good and measured light source ?
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[12:02] <JFS1> Xaben1 looking a bit quicker on way down -andgetting closer to a dry touchdown (still hoping!)
[12:02] <SQ5NWI> Latest news from B-15 battle field: http://aprs.fi/?c=message&call=OH7MMT-5
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[12:04] <number10_M0MDB> did anyone notice a drop off in signal strength that just suddendly now has increased to normal
[12:04] <number10_M0MDB> or is it my local station
[12:05] <JFS1> Isn't B15 probably down just over the Russian border?
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> nothing seen on either balloon
[12:05] <nats`> FSB strike again :D
[12:05] <number10_M0MDB> cheers Geoff-G8DHE - must be me then
[12:05] <g0hww> number10_M0MDB, on XABEN1, yeah i lost it for a minute or so
[12:05] <number10_M0MDB> ah yes, was xaben1
[12:06] <qyx_> it is turning a bit
[12:07] <G8APZ> Oh bugger!!
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[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not enough its going to be a wet landing, are you swimming today Steve ?
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[12:08] <G8APZ> Over water dammit
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[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Get your swimming trunks on Steve
[12:09] <ljj> hello ppl
[12:09] <DL1SGP> hi ljj
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[12:10] <nats`> http://imgur.com/QQ185id
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[12:12] <G8APZ> Track prediction is remarkably accurate!
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[12:14] <GMT> lost sigs on XABEN1, switching ti uXABEN
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> SQ5NWI send them 62.8756,31388
[12:15] <Upu_M0UPU> SQ5NWI send them 62.8756,31.388
[12:16] <fsphil> uxaben has a much stronger signal than xaben1 did
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[12:16] <daveake> xaben1 landing at 9m/s ... that's some serious latex influence earlier
[12:16] <G8APZ> Misses dry landing by only 1km...bad luck.
[12:17] <Upu_M0UPU> pretty awesome attempt to land on his house though
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might be low tise ....
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> *tide
[12:18] <daveake> high tide now
[12:19] <daveake> http://www.tidetimes.org.uk/felixstowe-pier-tide-times
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> and the beach is quite steep to so no chance!
[12:19] <craag> V brave to try landing on his house considering where it is! Hopefully it was just a tracker payload..
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[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> XABEN will be seeing http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/11919535.jpg
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[12:22] <number10_M0MDB> I know someone with boat at suffolk harbour but unfortunately not sailing today
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[12:29] <SQ5NWI> Upu_M0UPU: I've sent it and se that you also.
[12:29] <SQ5NWI> see that you also.
[12:29] <DL1SGP> awww burst
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah SQ5NWI I dug out my old software :)
[12:30] <fsphil> didn't get very high
[12:30] <Upu_M0UPU> 100g ?
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[12:35] <chrisg7ogx> i can hear the wind !
[12:35] <number10_M0MDB> mmm gone
[12:35] <daveake> gone
[12:35] <daveake> strange
[12:35] <chrisg7ogx> lost..last string #475
[12:36] <PE2G> $$$$$uXABEN,475,92:35:20,52.08067,0.20594,15363,1.79,-14.5,11/~6pws[Np%^m{c^r
[12:36] <GMT> there's still some signal there, very weak
[12:36] <daveake> Yeah I had some noise during that sentence then it just went
[12:36] <chrisg7ogx> $$$$$uXABEN,475,92:35:20,52.X8067,r>20594,15363,1.79,-14.5,11,~U?ysgsm(zr
[12:37] <chrisg7ogx> same here daveake sounded loke wind at speed through microphone
[12:37] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: have you heard jcoxon on 13.556?
[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm
[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> thats odd
[12:37] <chrisg7ogx> also i lost sigs on both dongle and FCD+ at exactly the same time, never happened before
[12:38] <fsphil> LeoBodnar: didn't hear anything
[12:38] <LeoBodnar> alien voices?
[12:38] <fsphil> I'm in a bad spot for 13mhz from london
[12:38] <LeoBodnar> Ah ok I thought it worked fsphil
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> I had a tracker ready to go with 13.560MHz don't know if to chuck it for fun and testing
[12:39] <chrisg7ogx> please do leo
[12:39] <LeoBodnar> Will have to find it first
[12:40] <chrisg7ogx> you will wake everyone up!
[12:40] <chrisg7ogx> tyransmitter failure/ it was traveling down at some lick
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[12:41] <daveake> normal speed for that alt
[12:41] <RocketBoy> is uXABEN still on?
[12:41] <daveake> signal suddenly stopped here
[12:41] <number10_M0MDB> no steve
[12:41] <Ugi_> I was just about to ask that - disappeared off my waterfall in the last few mins
[12:41] <number10_M0MDB> everyone lost it on the same frame
[12:42] <Upu_M0UPU> Had a scan up and down can't find it
[12:42] <daveake> RocketBoy What radio in that one?
[12:43] <RocketBoy> me too - strange
[12:43] <chrisg7ogx> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2013/habex_gets_the_nod_from_camu.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.UlFayobZi2w
[12:43] <RocketBoy> rfm22b
[12:43] <daveake> 15k is about the coldest it'd get so if it's an rfm22b it might come back
[12:44] <G8KNN> back
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[12:44] <daveake> ok noisy signal just started
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> back ?
[12:44] <daveake> and there you go :)
[12:44] Action: daveake collects brownie points
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.350
[12:44] <Upu_M0UPU> hasn't rbeooted
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[12:45] <G0CXW> its back
[12:45] <chrisg7ogx> bowing down..
[12:45] <daveake> RocketBoy it's back
[12:45] <daveake> rfm strikes again
[12:45] <RocketBoy> yea
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[12:48] <daveake> Interesting that when it stopped, I saw a few seconds of mush on the waterfall around the Tx frequency, and then it did the same when it started back up
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[12:48] <Upu_M0UPU> I know someone who is planning on putting an RFM22B in space
[12:48] <Upu_M0UPU> real space
[12:48] <daveake> oh dear
[12:48] <Upu_M0UPU> I sent them a mail suggesting they don't
[12:48] <mikestir> it seems to have been drifting a lot. Much more than the one on WGGS1 did
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> they are very hit and miss
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> also insulation may play a part
[12:49] <mikestir> yeah it didn't get that cold, although I tested it down to -20 in the freezer and it was actually quite stable below 0
[12:49] <mikestir> it drifted a bit between room temp and 0 though
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[12:50] <mikestir> are the crystals just rubbish? the rest looks pretty much like the silabs reference design
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[12:56] <chrisg7ogx> fading now..
[12:57] <chrisg7ogx> visible but can't copy
[12:57] <chrisg7ogx> gone
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[13:00] <chrisg7ogx> that was fun fun fun
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[13:03] <number10_M0MDB> last string $$$$$uXABEN,584,13:02:35,52.02776,0.27991,213,1.81,23.5,12,02F0*794/
[13:04] <chrisg7ogx> n$$,wXEN,551,12:44:20,52.12430|0.250'2<3[30,1|4,7.s,31,02F0*6E6D
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[13:05] <number10_M0MDB> looks like it cleared martins wood, and hopefully down before ronins grove
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[13:07] <OH7FXK> They try recover B-15 http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=12&call=a%2FOH7MMT-5&timerange=21600&tail=21600
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[13:09] <craag> OH7FXK: It's also being uploaded to spacenear, albeit as a balloon!
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[13:09] <OH7FXK> craag: can you link it?
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[13:10] <craag> http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=oh7mmt-5;B-15
[13:11] <OH7FXK> hmm :D
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[13:12] <OH7FXK> he stopped, maybe they find it
[13:12] <craag> They are exactly where I'd expect it to be.
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[13:13] <craag> They're at the end of a track, probably searching for the signal.
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[13:19] <OH7FXK> nah, it's a law jungle if i want fly my own balloon :P
[13:20] <skoushik> Hello. Recently, a BalloonSat competition was announced at my place and I intend to take part in it. Being a complete newbie, I want to know how one insulates the payload?
[13:20] <craag> skoushik: Generally just a polystyrene box.
[13:20] <craag> But it's not really such an issue with most modern electronics.
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[13:22] <craag> skoushik: Take a read of this: http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
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[13:23] <DL1SGP> just do not use a polystyrene box that fish was stored in, could attract ninja kittehs
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[13:26] <skoushik> craag: Thank you. Will go through it
[13:28] <OH7JG> searching ends now without success.73.
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[13:29] <craag> OH7JG: :( Thanks to them for trying though!
[13:29] <OH7JG> case b-15 is closed
[13:29] <OH7JG> :-)
[13:30] <GMT> somebody get Leo to send the command to B-15 to make it explode and emit smoke
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[13:34] <Ugi_> HI Steve - bad luck with Xaben - I assume it went higher than expected!
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[13:35] <ATCC> ME0W test
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[13:35] <x-f> or just implement a landing mode where it scans the area, decides the easiest place for recovery, and then sends longer beeps to locate it easier
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[13:44] <OH7FXK> They maybe get signal
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[13:49] <craag> Can someone link to me to Ed Moore's Youtube channel? I remember he had a video of a GYROC rocket and google-fu is failing me..
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[13:50] <eroomde> youtube.com/edmoore
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[13:50] <eroomde> i like to keep things simple :)
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[13:51] <craag> ha ok, I tried searching youtube for 'eroomde' and it didn't turn up!
[13:51] <craag> Thanks!
[13:51] <eroomde> yeah i guess my username isn;t keeping it simple
[13:51] <eroomde> maybe i should switch back
[13:51] <RocketBoy> farmer seems to have picked it up
[13:52] <OH7FXK> craag: they maybe found it, 7mmt is driving over speedlimit ;D
[13:52] <RocketBoy> and put on tractor
[13:52] <craag> OH7FXK: :D
[13:52] <OH7FXK> 110km/h on 80km/h limit :D
[13:53] <craag> eroomde: Did you have a video of one of the GYROC rockets? The ones done by James Macfarlane? I can't find it on your page
[13:53] <eroomde> sec
[13:53] <eroomde> so there's the strap down test of the birop
[13:53] <eroomde> which is the one i've been doing with james and andy at work
[13:54] <eroomde> there's a video of older gyros that flew on a g motor, that's somewhere else
[13:54] <eroomde> sec will find
[13:54] <eroomde> there's also an unlisted one of the first gyro that first gyros had
[13:54] <eroomde> which james made from old bits lying around
[13:54] <craag> Yeah it was the older one I was thinking of, that just slowly lifts off the pad to a few m up
[13:55] <eroomde> gyro
[13:55] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdI44rXg-Vw
[13:55] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, remind me how do I set up a socks proxy?
[13:55] <eroomde> http://michael.sdf-eu.org/Gyroc/Gyroc.mpeg
[13:55] <eroomde> craag: ^
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[13:57] <jcoxon> afternoon
[13:57] <craag> eroomde: THat's the one, thanks a lot! Do you mind if I post it up somewhere unlisted to show southampton uni spaceflight soc?
[13:57] <eroomde> it's not mine so i can't really say
[13:58] <eroomde> but i'm sure it would be ok
[13:58] <eroomde> certainly do whatever you like with anything on my channel
[13:58] <craag> Ok, thanks again!
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[14:04] <tr0lli> oh7fxk: fingers crossed :-)
[14:05] <OH7FXK> Yep
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[14:09] <PE2G> OH7FXK: Do you think they may have found B-15?
[14:11] <eroomde> craag: are they thinking of doing something similar?
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[14:15] <OH7FXK> PE2G: maybe, maybe not
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[14:15] <PE2G> OH7FXK: OK, thanks.
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[14:18] <OH7FXK> PE2G: 16.56 Localtime, it's still missing, and it can be on russian side, if it isn't get stuck to trees
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[14:20] <PE2G> OH7FXK: Roger
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[14:23] <DL1SGP> PE2G: one search car returned to base after non-successful search and more specifically having taken hits under the car which made a continued search risky but they had at least one other search team in the area
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[14:24] <PE2G> Thanks DL1SGP. How do you know all this ? :)
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[14:25] <craag> Wow, quite a mobilisation!
[14:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening
[14:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> any news about B-15
[14:26] <x-f> UKHAS has despatched two team in Finland for a search and rescue mission of it, waiting for news
[14:26] <x-f> two teams*
[14:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[14:27] <craag> First a chase plane, now we have recovery teams in Finland?
[14:27] <DL1SGP> PE2G: had direct contact to one car via APRS Messaging :)
[14:27] <tr0lli> under cover recovery teams ;-)
[14:27] <x-f> habbing is serious business
[14:28] <DL1SGP> http://aprs.fi/?c=message&limit=&call=OH7MMT-5
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[14:36] <OH7FXK> :<
[14:36] <OH7FXK> I hope they find it
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[14:37] <GMT> If they do find it we would try to send lots more balloons that way ...
[14:37] <OH7FXK> GMT: I know one who have small plane, but i don't know, where get 70cm band ssb scanner/rig
[14:38] <OH7FXK> And i don't know is he interested to fly from Oulu to joensuu
[14:40] <DL1SGP> OH7FXK: another question would be if the payload still would be transmitting at all, if it landed in a bad spot and does not get enough juice from solar the chance of receiving the signal is real low
[14:40] <craag> Yep very true, especially as the solar was struggling anyway
[14:41] <DL1SGP> and we have low sun in Finland already with winter getting closer... so even if it landed clear from trees it might get a lot of shadow
[14:41] <x-f> LeoBodnar, have you done any tests, how long can your payload survive using just the LiPo power?
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[14:42] <Vostok> do you not know the exact location of your balloon?
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[14:42] <DL1SGP> Vostok: last known position was at alt. 500m-ish
[14:43] <OH7FXK> DL1SGP: Ye, i know, it's quite dark here
[14:43] <nats`> remote controlled plane could be a good way to search balloon ;)
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[14:43] <nats`> with a small si4461 embedded
[14:44] <DL1SGP> yeah, even an autonomous system that you just give GPS waypoints to fly to
[14:44] <nats`> typically quadcop in that case so :)
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[14:45] <OH7FXK> I once think about small balloon with small electricmotor and propeller
[14:45] <OH7FXK> and couple solarcells
[14:45] <nats`> I think you have better control over a quad or a plane
[14:45] <OH7FXK> preprogrammed waypoints to AVR and GPS
[14:45] <nats`> and the speed will be more interesting for large area
[14:46] <OH7FXK> nats`: nope, same idea as HAB, but preset waypoints :D
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[14:46] <OH7FXK> dunno how well propeller work over 10km altitude
[14:47] <craag> It wouldn't :P
[14:48] <OH7FXK> i saw some tests somewhere, maybe in youtube
[14:48] <OH7FXK> they got problems with lift
[14:48] <Vostok> where can i find documentation of B-15?
[14:49] <OH7FXK> it started to make backflips
[14:49] <Vostok> OH7FXK: you're gonna have a hard time with getting the plane to fly, propeller or not
[14:49] <Vostok> at that kind of altitude, that is
[14:50] <craag> Vostok: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/
[14:50] <Vostok> craag: thanks
[14:50] <OH7FXK> Vostok: i know, but it quite impossible to get cheap and lowpower way to controll alttitude of balloon
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> OH7FXK: String.
[14:51] <Vostok> ah, you didn't even talk about a plane. my bad
[14:52] <OH7FXK> SpeedEvil: what you mean?
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[14:53] <SpeedEvil> Attatch a string to a convenient planet.
[14:53] <nats`> he talks about string theory saying that if you keep the string hand the balloon will not fly :p
[14:54] <nats`> in
[14:55] <Vostok> what makes the balloons stay at that altitude?
[14:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> Vostok: Archimedes' law :-)
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[15:04] <HA6NN> SP9UOB Tom: Are you around?
[15:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: yes
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> Vostok: If you have a fixed volume (nonelastic) balloon - and a varying density atmosphere which is denser at teh bottom - then the balloon simply floats up till it's at the same overall density as the air outside.
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> (Density defined as displaced volume * total system weight - the payload counts too
[15:05] <HA6NN> Hi HA8AR is listening to your balloon and I instructed him how to install the necessary software.
[15:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: thenk You very much, ballon is getting his second night :-)
[15:06] <HA6NN> I have also wrote info into http://www.on4kst.com/ which is a good chance to get more listeners!
[15:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> SQ9JYE is on the mountain :-)
[15:07] <HA6NN> OK! Fine! You are quite fortunate eith the winds! :)
[15:07] <HA6NN> eee with...
[15:07] <Vostok> ah, nonelastic balloon
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[15:09] <x-f> well, some are skilled enough to get a latex balloon to float at 30-40 km altitude, too
[15:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: right ;-)
[15:11] <eroomde> and many more got 30-40km floats without wanting them :)
[15:11] <x-f> heh :)
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> x-f: In that case, latex is nonelastic.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> Fun ain't it.
[15:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> SpeedEvil: Young modulus
[15:13] <HA6NN> Tom: HA8AR is struggling with adjusting 470 Hz shift...
[15:13] <HA6NN> By the way, why dindn§t you use 425 Hz?
[15:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: he just should choose "sp9uob" from flight list and click "autoconfigure"
[15:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: because of synthesiser step
[15:14] <HA6NN> Roger
[15:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: 156 Hz
[15:15] <Willdude123> eroomde, you know how I was saying I hate school maths?
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[15:15] <Willdude123> This is why http://imgur.com/YQYjhOt
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[15:15] <eroomde> such is life
[15:17] <Willdude123> Oh shoot that contains the name of my school
[15:19] <Willdude123> Meh, IDC if some lunatic tracks me down and kills me
[15:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: does HA8AR run dl-fldigi in HAB mode ?
[15:19] <eroomde> it's improbable on the basis of posting a screenshot of maths homework onto a niche irc channel
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[15:26] <Willdude123> Meh, well there's hope it might happen
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[15:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: hi
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[15:32] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: hi ton
[15:33] <HA6NN> SP9UOPB: Tom HA8AR receives telemetry! Th balloon is almost above his head. Good MS op etc...
[15:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: pse tnx :-)
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[15:34] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: was therer something special to me?
[15:34] <HA6NN> Tom, pse put him onto map! LOC is KN06MQ Tnx!
[15:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: it will enter YO area soon
[15:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: he need to configure his location: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[15:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: to be visible on the map
[15:36] <HA6NN> Yes, I see. That town is famous about this date! 13 genrals were executed there on this very day in 1840 by Habsburg Army. :(
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[15:36] <HA6NN> Hungarian name of Oradea is Arad.
[15:40] <OH7JG> B-15 searching group is now at homw
[15:40] <yo5pjb> HA6NN: :))
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[15:41] <HA6NN> YO5PJB Szia! Te is vegyed a telemetriát!
[15:41] <OH7JG> We did drive about 250 km/car. Group had 3 cars and 6 members.
[15:41] <yo5pjb> HA6NN: nem tudom
[15:41] <HA6NN> Tom RRRRRRRR
[15:42] <OH7JG> searching team was splitted 2 part
[15:42] <HA6NN> PJB: Ka'r!
[15:42] <OH7JG> Koivusuo North and south group
[15:42] <OH7JG> we used also 70 cm yagi
[15:43] <OH7JG> assumed dropping place was seeked around, but no signal at all
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[15:44] <OH7JG> North of falling place is very flat area (about 5 km swamp and lakes) and it is possible that balloon did go north-east over border of Russia
[15:44] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: one question related with the decoding
[15:45] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: $$$$SP9UOB,5999,154306,47.09466,21.68000,7069,6850,29,132,-21,41936,137,9b*BEDF <- what means the 6850 from this string ? (after the altitude)
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[15:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: this is the altitude calculated from atmospheric pressure
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[15:46] <KT5TK> OH7JG: Recovering picos is really tricky. Especially if they're small like Leo's
[15:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: then ground speed, heading, temperature, pressure, voltage, and status flags
[15:47] <x-f> OH7JG, that's some serious effort, thanks for trying
[15:47] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: I saw that is a variable delta to the gps altitude and that make me wonder... what could be :D
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[15:47] <HA6NN> Tom: I am on my main PC. Pse repeat that URL for HA8AR to put himself onto map! Tnx!
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[15:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[15:48] <HA7018SWL> Good evening all!
[15:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: he need to put coordinates in dl-fldigi config
[15:48] <HA6NN> RRRRR Tnx Tom!
[15:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: evening, thanks for tracking
[15:48] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: You're Welcome ;)
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[15:49] <LeoBodnar> OH7JG: Thank you for your efforts! Hopefully it was a good trip!
[15:49] <KT5TK> SP9UOB-Tom: congrats to this great float!
[15:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> KT5TK: thank You :-)
[15:49] <OH7JG> We had nice trip, everybody did like that
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[15:50] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: is possible to loose the signal to the baloon because if antenna position
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[15:50] <OH7JG> Driver was "fire" ;-)
[15:50] <yo5pjb> the signal now is not so good now
[15:50] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: Can I find somewhere find pictures, tech details of the balloon?
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> haha no speed cameras ?
[15:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo5pjb: it is heading to fly over Your head :-)
[15:51] <x-f> OH7JG, we saw his speed on aprs.fi map :)
[15:51] <yo5pjb> well, almost. my antenna is not on a top of the building, it's on a side
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[15:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico2-back-small.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico2-front-small.jpg
[15:51] <OH7JG> I did try look only map and said, turn right turn left - BREAK BREAK
[15:51] <DL1SGP> OH7JG: it is great to know that you all enjoyed the expedition to the unknown.
[15:52] <HA7018SWL> aaaand, it has left Hungary :(
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[15:52] <yo5pjb> SP9UOB-Tom: and the south-west part is not covered
[15:52] <iain_G4SGX> Sorry been away, B-15 recovered?
[15:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: 10 mW output power, single AA
[15:52] <DL1SGP> it was the "B-15 Tundra Race"
[15:52] <nats`> http://imgur.com/QQ185id
[15:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> Well i newer was in Romania :-)
[15:53] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: thanks (pic, details)
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[15:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: controller is PIC 18LF26K22 and TX is RFM22b
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[15:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: also step-up converter and other stuff
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[15:57] <HA7018SWL> Nice stuff on so little panel.
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[15:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: you should look at Leo's boards. Mine are huge ;-)
[15:58] <Upu_M0UPU> how long has it been running SP9UOB-Tom ?
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> oh SP9UOB-Tom : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/Scan109.jpg for when I'm better :)
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> not that
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/IMG_1455.JPG
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> that
[16:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: this race will end at nanorobots ;-)
[16:00] <Upu_M0UPU> I know :)
[16:00] <Upu_M0UPU> so how long has yours been running for now ?
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[16:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: it was launched yesterday at 8:30 utc
[16:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> let me count.. ;-)
[16:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> 31.5 h
[16:02] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: Can you tell me the content of the packet. I figureg out this: $$$$CALLSING,PACKET_COUNTER,??????,GPS,GPS,ALTITUDE,????,??,???,TEMPERATURE,?????,???,CRC
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[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> not bad should have another 20 hours left in it ?
[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> AA or AAA ?
[16:03] <Upu_M0UPU> got to be AA
[16:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: AA
[16:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: Mitch is already doing this: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/pico_pic18f26k22.pdf for me :-)
[16:04] <OH2FQV> Few monite ole message from B-15 search party. Balloon did recovered. Area where searchers ended was big open area to russian direction. They thought that balloon might gone by down wind layer to russian area.
[16:04] <HA6NN> HA7018SWL: Gergo! Pakold be te is a QTH-dat a terkepre! http://www.ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:location2.jpeg
[16:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I see a radio chip :)
[16:05] <OH2FQV> CORRECTION: Balloon was NOT recovered
[16:05] <Upu_M0UPU> I was about to say :)
[16:05] <HA7018SWL> HA6NN: Fent vagyok a térképen!!!
[16:05] <Upu_M0UPU> I2C to the GPS SP9UOB-Tom ?
[16:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: $$$$CALLSING,PACKET_COUNTER,TIME UTC,GPS,GPS,ALTITUDE,pressure_altitude,ground speed ,heading,TEMPERATURE,voltage,status flags,CRC
[16:06] <HA7018SWL> Thank you!
[16:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: yes, uart is used for SSDV :-)
[16:06] <HA6NN> HA7018SWL: Congrats!
[16:06] <Upu_M0UPU> nice
[16:06] <OH2FQV> Credits for search goes to: OH7JG/MMT OH7HJ OH7BD OH7CQ OH7EG OH7EBY
[16:06] <Upu_M0UPU> shame nothing found
[16:06] <jcoxon> ping LazyLeopard
[16:06] <Upu_M0UPU> we'll send you another as soon as possible :)
[16:06] <LazyLeopard> hiya
[16:06] <Upu_M0UPU> thanks for taking the time to go out and look
[16:07] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, i suspect this is becoming annoying but are you willing to listen again
[16:07] <LazyLeopard> Yep
[16:07] <jcoxon> i've improved the antenna quite a bit
[16:07] <jcoxon> 13.553Mhz
[16:07] <LazyLeopard> Same place?
[16:07] <jcoxon> around 1700 on the waterfall
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[16:09] <KT5TK> jcoxon: what are you transmitting?
[16:10] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, Is there any chance of that very small NTX2 being available? Also did you convince them to provide a programmable one?
[16:10] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: Ok. Listening now.
[16:11] <OH7JG> Group B-15 pictures (only few) http://urly.fi/9IP
[16:13] <HA6NN> tjanos: Szervusz!
[16:14] <KT5TK> OH7JG: Wow! Serious portable yagi...
[16:14] <jcoxon> KT5TK, slowhell and rtty
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[16:14] <x-f> 4th picture is wow
[16:15] <LazyLeopard> jcoxon: there's a single narrow intermittent something at 13,554.5, but it's so narrow it might be local.
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[16:16] <LazyLeopard> What slowhell settings are you using?
[16:16] <Willdude123> This may be a silly question but why are airborne ham stations banned?
[16:16] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, its very narrow, slowhell is a setting
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[16:17] <LazyLeopard> It's set the bandwidth at 245
[16:17] <enkidu> SP9UOB-Tom: we are going smaller and smaller :)
[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> ping GMT
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[16:17] <enkidu> next tracker will fit inside a ballon :P
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[16:18] <GMT> Geoff: gnop
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Because the CAA don't like the idea, at least that was the situation a long time back when the license was last reviwed
[16:18] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, on dl-fldigi if you select slowhell it should be very thin red lines
[16:19] <Willdude123> But why?
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> GMT, Is there a source of data for the Sondemonitor program with all the launch sites and pressure info available ? I notice that the MetOffice URL is no longer funtioning in the help ?
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> and nothing obvious in the download section of research either!
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[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Broadcasting from on high can generate a lot of interference and disrupt other equipment onbaord
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[16:21] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Must've picked the wrong one. Now showing two lines 30 apart...
[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> You've seen how far 10mW gets in range a lot further than people expect.
[16:21] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: in the \Log Files folder there is a file called Launchsites.txt - that has the lat/longs
[16:21] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, thats it
[16:22] <iain_G4SGX> I have nasty QRM now (AM station) on 13.555, playing piano.
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right, so why doesn't the default install pont at it I wonder ..... Tks
[16:23] <jcoxon> 've moved it a little to 13.553
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[16:23] <GMT> Geoff-G8DHE: also look on http://www.radiosonde.eu/ as I d/l a XL spreadsheet with all sorts of data
[16:23] <eroomde> iain_G4SGX: playing the piano badly?
[16:23] <fsphil> I must check the netherlands sdr for your signal
[16:23] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... The line I can see hasn't moved...
[16:23] <LazyLeopard> That suggests it's not yours...
[16:24] <jcoxon> oh i haven't moved it just now
[16:24] <jcoxon> i moved it earlier
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[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup, I must say the program seems a little odd on the UI front, with so many things dependent on other things, like downloading GPS data from GPS you must be in Rx mode even if no data being Rx'ed!
[16:24] <fsphil> what dial frequency jcoxon?
[16:24] <LazyLeopard> On my waterfall it's just below 13554.5
[16:25] <jcoxon> 13.553Mhz around 1700 on the waterfall
[16:25] <jcoxon> LazyLeopard, it should switch to rtty every few mins
[16:25] <LazyLeopard> ...but that isn't producing ant=ything coherent.
[16:25] <jcoxon> i suspect its something else
[16:26] <LazyLeopard> Yes, I think so.
[16:26] <fsphil> quite noisy in this part of the bands
[16:26] <fsphil> might have seen the letter A
[16:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: it is steady carrier?
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[16:27] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, yeah
[16:27] <fsphil> websdr keeps cutting out
[16:28] <fsphil> but 15.553mhz + 1624hz
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[16:28] <jcoxon> so it does a single string of slowhell then delay for 5 secs then 2x RTTY strings then delay for 5 secs and repeats
[16:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: i can record wave for You
[16:28] <jcoxon> please do
[16:28] <fsphil> can you do dominoex or thor? :)
[16:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: recording
[16:29] <jcoxon> fsphil, should be able to
[16:29] <jcoxon> i can get pretty tight shift now
[16:29] <fsphil> oooh
[16:29] <fsphil> I have code that in theory does thor
[16:29] <fsphil> but I can't seem to get it working with an ntx2
[16:30] <jcoxon> fsphil, is it multi toned then?
[16:30] <fsphil> yea
[16:30] <fsphil> 18 tones
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[16:30] <fsphil> it seems to perform quite well
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[16:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/jcoxon.wav
[16:31] <fsphil> it's a combination of dominoex and mfsk modes
[16:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: ready to be replayed with dl-fldigi
[16:31] <iain_G4SGX> Too close to that AM station or me, only 400HZ lower than the carrier.
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[16:33] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, hmmm, can't decode anything from that
[16:33] <jcoxon> there are other Hifer (13.55x Mhz) beacons out there
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[16:37] <fsphil> it's amazing anything gets through on HF
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[16:37] <jcoxon> thats true
[16:37] <jcoxon> well i'll leave it running
[16:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon, fsphil: i'll try to prepare my 21.400 MHz to 19 october
[16:38] <fsphil> I'll put the thor code up somewhere. it's an adaption of the fldigi code for an avr
[16:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> WSPR, domino EX and i can also do APRS/300 baud
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[16:45] <number10> OH7JG: nice pictures
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[16:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: well, this is the first time when i hearing about Hifer
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[16:56] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, yeah there are few out their
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[16:56] <jcoxon> sort of the ISM version of QRSS beacons
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[17:14] <tjanos> Hi Andras, HA5NN!
[17:15] <tjanos> I was all the day out of the city, arrived half an hours ago. I see you were succesfull to receive Tom,s ballon!
[17:15] <tjanos> Wha is the present situation?
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[17:16] <Vostok> further info on this said balloon?
[17:16] <tjanos> sry, my mistake: HA6NN
[17:17] <fsphil> what's the best time of the day to launch a pico?
[17:17] <fsphil> or does it matter?
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[17:21] <x-f> Vostok, see spacenear.us/tracker, it's in Romania currently
[17:22] <KT5TK> fsphil: It doesn't really matter when you launch a pico. In the early days we tried late afternoon so that you could use the complete night phase (due to easier float conditions. But now since picos have good chances to survive the day, it is not relevant.
[17:22] <mfa298> fsphil: probably depends on whether you're name is Leo or not.
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[17:23] <Vostok> x-f: thanks!
[17:24] <x-f> np, great to see you in this channel too :)
[17:24] <Vostok> too interesting not to
[17:25] <eroomde> i just broke a nice wine glass
[17:25] <eroomde> both annoying and bad luck
[17:26] <eroomde> OT sorry
[17:26] <enkidu> its on topic
[17:26] <enkidu> wine can bring you to very high altitude
[17:26] <fsphil> KT5TK: thanks. I'm going to try launching one tuesday
[17:26] <enkidu> and crash the following day
[17:27] <KT5TK> Did you build your own or are you launching Pecan?
[17:27] <fsphil> pecan
[17:27] <fsphil> though I'm going to try building one too
[17:27] <fsphil> but it won't be as light :)
[17:28] <KT5TK> Cool. I will certainly watch!
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[17:29] <KT5TK> Are you building yours from components?
[17:30] <eroomde> enkidu: very astute
[17:31] <fsphil> so I'm looking for neurtal bouyency with the filling tube attached?
[17:31] <fsphil> er, spelling
[17:31] <fsphil> neutral buoyancy
[17:31] <eroomde> you can buy flexipcb very cheap now - i would have thought there's a bit of mass saving there for basically zero redesign effort
[17:31] <eroomde> assuming 2-layer
[17:31] <fsphil> KT5TK: yea
[17:32] <fsphil> brb, doggie walk
[17:32] <DL1SGP> enjoy fsphil
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[17:32] <enkidu> eroomde: anyways you can screw things up with higher capacitance, so slight redesigning will occur
[17:33] <eroomde> doubt it for a tab payload
[17:33] <eroomde> apart from redoing any impedance controlled lines, which is what i had in mind with the slight qualifier, i would be very surprised if it didn;t just work as before
[17:34] <enkidu> probably only antenna feeder and gps area would be involved
[17:34] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: MASAT-1 if coming, after the sat pass I'll tune back to you balloon.
[17:34] <eroomde> indeed, but even they're usually only <1cm
[17:35] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: if = is
[17:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: sure :-)
[17:35] <eroomde> which is happily out of the danger zone for proper impedance control at gps and 434mhz freqs
[17:35] <enkidu> I will use fpcb por my project, but Ill start it after christmas
[17:36] <eroomde> what's your project?
[17:37] <eroomde> i've never used it but i'd be interested to
[17:37] <enkidu> I want to make a floater with payload inside balloon
[17:37] <eroomde> very tempting as a replacement of panel-to-board cables and connectors for flight stuff
[17:38] <eroomde> although i do very much like designing and making cable looms up
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[17:38] <enkidu> only solars will be external and act as ballast
[17:39] <eroomde> nice
[17:39] <eroomde> payload in balloon is very interesting
[17:40] <eroomde> when someone can make decent 2m dia spherical envelopes, i suspect we'll be in business
[17:40] <enkidu> this way balloon will act as heat insulation, so battery could last longer
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[17:57] <KT5TK> fsphil: Yes, the tube has about the weight of payload + lift. (confirm this with your actual payload weight and the lift that you're targeting). Remove that much helium so that the balloon will float horizontally with the tube attached. Make sure that you calibrate this at the outside temperature.
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[18:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> UR5WPR: hi can You receive balloon telemetry ?
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[18:13] <UR5WPR> Hi Tom, I can receive
[18:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> UR5WPR: pls tune to 437.600 and http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:russian
[18:15] <tjanos> Gergo HA7018SWL: do you receive the SP9UOB? What we can know about HA8AR? Is he QRV?
[18:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: hi tjanos
[18:15] <tjanos> Good evening Tomasz!
[18:16] <tjanos> I was near all the day outside... I try to explore the situation.
[18:16] <HA7018SWL> tjanos: Yes I am still receiving it. Very weak signal, but I dl-fldigi can decode it.
[18:16] <tjanos> Your ballon crossed our country!
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[18:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: YO2LOJ is receiving :-)
[18:17] <Upu_M0UPU> SP9UOB-Tom, DanielRichman just extended flight doc till Wednesday
[18:17] <tjanos> HA7018SWL: very good! you are on a good position...
[18:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: thanks
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[18:17] <HA7018SWL> tjanos: 8ar is QRV since 17:40ut, I don't know what happened
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[18:18] <tjanos> Ok, we will pass your ballon to the next country!!! Tom, congrats for the successfull construction!
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[18:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: this is the moment when you regret that you have not added solar panel ;-)
[18:18] <Upu_M0UPU> I know :)
[18:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: :-) Thanks
[18:19] <Upu_M0UPU> take consolation they don't work at night
[18:19] <HA7018SWL> tjanos: I'm wondering, how can I receive this balloon with 20-23 SNR, I'm around with high mountains. Harmashatar-hegy is 8km away from me, and it is now exactly in the direction...
[18:19] <GMT> tjanos: the balloon crossed your country *without* your permission, I think SP9UOB must pay a fine ... a beer fine.
[18:19] <tjanos> Tom, what do you think about ythe night? Will it survive?
[18:19] <HA7018SWL> GMT: Amen :)
[18:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: take care of it please ;-)
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[18:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: it should survive
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[18:21] <tjanos> GMT: we are both in the EU, and we are friends with the polish people during long history
[18:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: and the monday also should be ok.
[18:21] <tjanos> they dont need visa or pasport to fligh arund us. Ther are very welcome here!!!
[18:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: Polak Wêgier dwa bratanki ;-)
[18:22] <tjanos> Tom, you are right!
[18:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: anyway I really love Hungarian Pancake
[18:23] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: :-D
[18:23] <tjanos> Hopefully not only pancake, but wines too...
[18:24] <HA7018SWL> And the Hungarian are girls are the most beautifull :)
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[18:25] <tjanos> Tom, maybe you dont know, we have special wine, dedicated to our first cubesat, Masat-1
[18:25] <tjanos> It is not bad wine, ofcourse
[18:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: WOW ! im planning to visit Hungary next hollidays - so i'll check :-)
[18:25] <Upu_M0UPU> haha
[18:26] <tjanos> Gergo, have we a picture about this bottle?
[18:26] <HA7018SWL> tjanos: searching....
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[18:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: after that bootle user loose gravity ;-) ?
[18:27] <HA7018SWL> http://www.mediapiac.com/uploads/articles/99/9820/5_original.jpg
[18:27] Action: DL1SGP would prefer pictures of the girls :)
[18:28] <HA7018SWL> DL1SGP: google: Hungarian girls :P
[18:28] <tjanos> Gergo, thanks, this is....
[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL1SGP: https://www.google.pl/search?q=hungarian+girls&newwindow=1&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vKtRUvLlC6eX7Qab-4B4&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1004&dpr=1
[18:28] <DL1SGP> thanks :)
[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> well ;)
[18:28] <HA7018SWL> SP9UOB-Tom: your TX is drifting freq a very little bit
[18:28] <Upu_M0UPU> safe=off :)
[18:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: this a "toy" transmitter
[18:29] <HA7018SWL> During CW it is higher, during RTTY it is lower
[18:29] <HA7018SWL> And now my radio is tuned to 437.598.64
[18:29] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: during CW its cool down, so freq is drifting
[18:30] <HA7018SWL> Okay, I thought the used current is different between the modes, and the battery voltage is "drifting" a bit due to different amp usage...
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[18:38] <fsphil> SP9UOB has settled into a nice float
[18:38] <HA7018SWL> Signal rised again: SNR 24-25 dB, distance: 294Km !
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[18:39] <HA7018SWL> 1 minute ago someone started some packet transmitting in this freq... 1 packet/10sec :S
[18:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL: i have lost it at 305 km / 0.0 deg elevation (omni antenna)
[18:45] <Upu> LeoBodnar flight doc was approved btw
[18:45] <Upu> you launching tonight ?
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> cheers
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[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> It's up, I can't hear it from home due to massive QRM lol
[18:46] <Upu> oh
[18:46] <Upu> whats details
[18:46] <Upu> I'll put it on snus
[18:46] <Upu> B-16 ?
[18:47] <DL1SGP> hehe another sneaky leo-ninja-style launch
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> 13.553MHz DominoEX 4
[18:47] <x-f> oho
[18:47] <DL1SGP> woot
[18:47] <fsphil> the week of floats
[18:47] <Upu> k done
[18:48] <Upu> need some HF people now :)
[18:48] <LeoBodnar> lol cheers
[18:48] <fsphil> oh you're on HF
[18:48] <Upu> can I delete B-15 ?
[18:48] Action: SP9UOB-Tom is ready :-)
[18:48] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[18:48] Action: DL1SGP tuned in 13.553
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> don't delete
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> give me 20 seconds
[18:48] <fsphil> I'm not well positioned until it gets to 1500 km away :)
[18:48] <Upu> sorry lunar
[18:48] <Upu> just don't refresg
[18:49] <Upu> also screen shot on Leo's page
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah thanks
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I was able to do a screenshot
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> no worries :)
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> now refresh
[18:49] <Upu> I don't have an antenna for that frequency
[18:50] <GMT> I'm able HF, what freq?
[18:50] <GMT> hang on, just seen
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[18:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> LEO 13.553MHz is dial or carrier ?
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> USB
[18:51] <fsphil> what's the offset?
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> ABout 1050Hz
[18:52] <GMT> awful noise on that freq! is it the usual "3-sec pips, TX every 3 mins" jobbie?
[18:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: how often does it transmit ?
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> yeah exactly that
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> I can't hear it in the office, heard it while driving home, zilch at home :)
[18:55] <jcoxon> eek
[18:55] <fsphil> nothing here, unsurprisingly
[18:56] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, might benefit from an email to the list
[18:56] <jcoxon> asking anyone to listen
[18:56] <jcoxon> goodness knows the propergation
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> I think 10mW is a bit of a joke on ISM HF :)
[18:57] <DL1SGP> how long is the antenna LeoBodnar ? :)
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> 2m up 2m down dangling thin wire
[18:57] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, hmmm, not sure how good an antenna that'll be
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> tuned LPF for higher impedance but still not much better
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[19:04] <LeoBodnar> Did you use Hydrogen SP9UOB-Tom ?
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[19:05] <HA7018SWL> Good night all!! SP9UOB-Tom: I leave my receiver running.
[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo2loj: hi, thanks for tracking :-)
[19:05] <yo2loj> Ur welcome
[19:05] <yo2loj> I leave it open overnight
[19:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no i have allmost full 1.8 cu m of He
[19:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo2loj: turn on AFC pls :-)
[19:06] <yo2loj> It is on :-)
[19:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo2loj: tkanks in advance :-)
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[19:06] <LeoBodnar> 1.8cu m?
[19:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: 1.8 cubic meter cylinder
[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: http://airproducts.com.pl/balloon_gas/Hel_balonowy/index.htm X10 cylinder
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> So your payload must be about 22 grams?
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[19:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: 20 gram
[19:09] <G8APZ> LZ1CLA should have signals soon from Tom's flight...then it's hope that SV and TA trackers log in!
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[19:10] <yo2loj> Taking in account the mountain range in between...
[19:10] <M6PFX-Paul> what should we be seeing from B-16?
[19:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have very inaccurate - hmm how do you call device to measure weight :) ?
[19:11] <GMT> M6PFX-Paul: Loe says B16 is Domino Ex 16
[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: it can have somewhere between 24 and 20 grams
[19:11] <Upu> Ex4 GMT
[19:12] <M6PFX-Paul> how often is the Domino Ex 16 broadcasting, i am seeing a line like a tone which has breaks
[19:12] <GMT> There we go ... I can't even find the signal to decode!
[19:12] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, umm that might be my beacon, similar freq
[19:12] <Upu> DominoEX4 not 16
[19:13] <M6PFX-Paul> is your beacon slow cw?
[19:13] <jcoxon> its slow Hellschreiber
[19:13] <jcoxon> record it and post it and i'll have a look
[19:13] <M6PFX-Paul> Slow Hell?
[19:14] <jcoxon> yup
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[19:17] <M6PFX-Paul> jcoxon what freq is the beacon on?
[19:18] <jcoxon> 13.553Mhz
[19:18] <jcoxon> slowhell and rtty
[19:18] <jcoxon> in central london
[19:19] <M6PFX-Paul> i'm by the m25 east of central london
[19:19] <jcoxon> could you record a bit of the audio
[19:20] <jcoxon> and i could have a look
[19:20] <jcoxon> i'd love a reception report you see
[19:21] <GMT> just discovered that my monitor gives terrible interference at 13.555 mhz!
[19:21] <M6PFX-Paul> i have a lot of background noise
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[19:21] <SpeedEvil> try a different resolution
[19:24] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, for your interest: http://www.lwca.org/sitepage/part15/mfmain.htm
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: mostly US. thanks
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[19:26] <M6PFX-Paul> what band is this one? 25m ?
[19:26] <jcoxon> 22m - its not amateur radio
[19:26] <jcoxon> just ISM
[19:27] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, manage to decode any of the beacon?
[19:28] <M6PFX-Paul> nope
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[19:28] <M6PFX-Paul> i switched to DM780 and i can't even see anything out of the noise on this
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[19:29] <M6PFX-Paul> let me share a pic
[19:30] <M6PFX-Paul> might be able to make out something
[19:30] <jcoxon> please do
[19:31] <M6PFX-Paul> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkflc6ezlctkk6u/jcoxon.jpg
[19:31] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, fair point
[19:32] <M6PFX-Paul> whats the hell say by the way?
[19:32] <M6PFX-Paul> what is it transmitting
[19:32] <jcoxon> oh well its a test for a potential balloon tx'er
[19:33] <M6PFX-Paul> ah ok
[19:33] <jcoxon> so its giving $$ATLAS,count,lat,lon,alt*checksum
[19:33] <jcoxon> it does one string of slowhell then 2 strings of rtty 50baud
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> I love hell technology
[19:33] <jcoxon> its awesome
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> Germans, eh
[19:34] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, any chance of a quick recording?
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> Clever machine again
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[19:34] <LeoBodnar> I have heard you an still get Siemens hell receiving machine
[19:34] <M6PFX-Paul> yeah one second.
[19:37] <M6PFX-Paul> 1 minute ok?
[19:37] <M6PFX-Paul> also i forgot to ask but this is USB right now LSB?
[19:38] <M6PFX-Paul> not LSB rather
[19:38] <jcoxon> yeah usb
[19:38] <jcoxon> 1 min is cool
[19:38] <M6PFX-Paul> ok cool
[19:39] <HA7018SWL_Sleep> SP9UOB-Tom: I cannot decode any packet without CRC error any more....
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[19:40] <HA7018SWL_Sleep> SP9UOB-Tom: At ~310Km was the last packet
[19:40] <HA7018SWL_Sleep> Good flight!
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL_Sleep: thank Yoo for tracking :-)
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL_Sleep: thank You for tracking :-)
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL_Sleep: thanks, i'll hope that it survive night
[19:40] <HA7018SWL_Sleep> SP9UOB-Tom: You're welcome. Hope your next balloon will come this way too :)
[19:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA7018SWL_Sleep: :-)
[19:42] <M6PFX-Paul> jcoxon: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a9ga6mysgkckfqj/HRD%202013-10-06%20203718.mp3
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[19:44] <Mik_WD8MNV> did a payload get recovered?
[19:45] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, it almost looks like it but can't get it to decode anything
[19:45] <Upu> negative Mik_WD8MNV
[19:46] <Upu> they did go looking for it though
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[19:47] <M6PFX-Paul> there was a lot of background noise
[19:47] <M6PFX-Paul> how much power is it outputting?
[19:47] <jcoxon> every couple of minutes it should disappear
[19:48] <jcoxon> when the rtty gets going
[19:48] <jcoxon> M6PFX-Paul, only 10mW
[19:48] <jcoxon> :-D
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[19:50] <M6PFX-Paul> i'm not too sure how the 22m band acts. Would it work better during the day rather than night?
[19:52] <jcoxon> well i'll leave it running
[19:53] <M6PFX-Paul> i'll check on it later tomorrow
[19:53] <M6PFX-Paul> if i pick up anything i will record it for you
[19:53] <jcoxon> thanks!
[19:53] <M6PFX-Paul> np, i'll be at work so if i get a moment i'll do it else will be when i get home
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[19:54] <M6PFX-Paul> how you doing the antenna for it by the way? doesn't it have to be pretty long?
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[19:54] <jcoxon> yeah its been causing me problems as i live in a flat
[19:55] <jcoxon> so i've managed a 5m vertical
[19:55] <jcoxon> need to add a corresponding ground to make a dipole
[19:56] <jcoxon> which i'll do tomorrow so it might improve the signal
[19:56] <M6PFX-Paul> yep k cool
[19:57] <jcoxon> feel that i should test it on the ground before launching
[19:57] <fsphil> still nothing here
[19:57] <fsphil> or anywhere else from the look of the map
[19:57] <jcoxon> line of sight 'should' still work surely
[19:57] <jcoxon> for B16
[19:58] <fsphil> it should
[19:59] <fsphil> no different from 434mhz but a higher noise floor and larger antenna
[19:59] <Mik_WD8MNV> B-16 not on the map?
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> Here are the photos from B-15 hunt http://urly.fi/9IP
[20:02] <M6PFX-Paul> looks like some army hit squad looking for someone
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[20:05] <OH7JG> It is real finnish army uniform
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[20:06] <M6PFX-Paul> tell me the tree clearer was already there. Or this is one expensive recovery
[20:06] <tjanos> Yesterday they said there are bears... I dont see any there.. but where is the B-15? by the way they have nice "mobile antenna"
[20:07] <jcoxon> bbl
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[20:09] <LeoBodnar> I am humbled by the effort of team Finland
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> Send another one over is the least I can do
[20:10] <DL1SGP> Finland Team Rocks!
[20:10] <OH7JG> next weekend begins moose hunting season, so I can't go to "expedition" any more this year
[20:10] <Mik_WD8MNV> has is a sport
[20:10] <Mik_WD8MNV> hab*
[20:12] <tjanos> Yes, many thanks for them, try to search on this wild land.
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[20:31] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: tom? at which voltage is the battery empty?
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[20:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: boost conwerter can work downto 0.7V
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[20:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> 36 hours airborne !
[20:35] <x-f> all systems nominal?
[20:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: yup
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[20:36] <x-f> great
[20:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> lack of listeners :-(
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[20:39] <M6PFX-Paul> isn't Yolo still tracking
[20:39] <x-f> at least it's moving slowly and won't get lost so easily
[20:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> yes but he is only one
[20:40] <yo2loj> Tom: in 1 hour it will be heard in Bulgaria :-)
[20:40] <x-f> two or three listeners are awaiting in Bucharest
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[20:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> yo2loj: I hope so :-) it would be sad to lost it at the end of the journey
[20:42] <yo2loj> 36 hours is quite some time...
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[20:42] <M6PFX-Paul> surprised we can't get more people listening
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[20:42] <M6PFX-Paul> Half my problem is not knowing when they are happening. I know there is the mailing list but often I don't see the messages and check my pc on a saturday at 1pm and see 2-3 flights happened
[20:43] <M6PFX-Paul> if we have that database of all the listeners there have ever been. Could work out stations on the predicted path and email them
[20:43] <x-f> tomorrow it will speed up - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/19915_trj001.gif
[20:43] Nick change: AndroUser2 -> Willdude123
[20:44] <enkidu> so we need israeli receiver again
[20:45] <x-f> M6PFX-Paul, there is an iCal calendar feed on habitat, which you probably can add to your calendar software, but even that usually gets updated at the last moment
[20:46] <M6PFX-Paul> how much notice do you have to give for a NOTAM.?
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[20:46] <x-f> 28 days on average, some can sort it in a few days
[20:47] <Willdude123> Hi
[20:47] <x-f> but you get a launch window, which depends on predictions and weather
[20:48] <x-f> hi, Will
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[20:49] <M6PFX-Paul> there must be the ability to put the NOTAM period on the iCal with the set points they would consider launching, can't be that many times of the day. just an idea anyways
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[20:51] <tjanos> x-f: have you a NOAA prediction, starting from today morning, when SP9UOB was launched?
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[20:55] <x-f> tjanos, it was launched yesterday morning, and no, i don't but it followed the earlier predictions
[20:56] <tjanos> Ok, thanks!
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[20:59] <sv1ljj> x-f: I keep loosing the link to your stats page.... http://x-f.lv/dev/...........
[21:00] <sv1ljj> :)
[21:00] <x-f> /habitat-graphs
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[21:01] <sv1ljj> great!!! thanks!!!!
[21:01] <jcoxon> has anyone found B-16 in the ether?
[21:01] <DL1SGP> kalispera sv1ljj all best to beautiful Greece!
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[21:01] <LeoBodnar> nope jcoxon
[21:03] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[21:03] <sv1ljj> kalhspera file mou DL1SGP
[21:04] <enkidu> just another long night
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[21:05] <DL1SGP> :)
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[21:14] <Rebounder> x-f: noticed noaa has different precision on the pos lat sv long...
[21:14] <fsphil> wonder if B-16's still transmitting
[21:15] <Rebounder> fsphil: B16?
[21:15] <fsphil> yea, was launched earlier today
[21:16] <Rebounder> oh
[21:16] <fsphil> nobody's managed to receive it
[21:16] Action: Rebounder a bit intermittent
[21:16] <DL1SGP> B-16 is a ninja-float, so sneaky you won't receive it :)
[21:16] <sv1ljj> http://www.awsm.com/13883/now-this-is-how-you-use-a-go-pro/
[21:16] <fsphil> it has a cloaking device
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:18] <x-f> awesome, got strong signal from the Hungarian Masat-1, that was mentioned here earlier, will try to decode it
[21:19] <fsphil> nothing on the websdr in .nl
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[21:20] <x-f> they have a very nice website - http://cubesat.bme.hu/en/
[21:20] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: B-16 ?
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[21:23] <Rebounder> x-f: type of antenna?
[21:23] <x-f> 1/4 GP :)
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[21:24] <Rebounder> x-f: that's not bad.... receiver?
[21:25] <x-f> RTLSDR, R820T
[21:26] <Rebounder> x-f: dammit, know i have no excuse not to do it
[21:26] <Rebounder> s/know/now
[21:26] <x-f> hehe :)
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[21:29] Action: DL1SGP will give MASAT-1 tlm decoding a try tomorrow :)
[21:30] <DL1SGP> now calling it a day, be safe folks
[21:30] <x-f> yeah, "it's getting late"
[21:30] Nick change: DL1SGP -> DL1SGP_
[21:30] <x-f> good night
[21:30] <Rebounder> night
[21:30] <SP9UOB-Tom> night guys !
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[21:35] <enkidu> nighty Tom
[21:36] <yo2loj> good night oms
[21:36] <yo2loj> have fun
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[22:15] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OdPsXc3OXQ
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[22:15] <Laurenceb_> its arrived
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[22:20] <Laurenceb_> is B-16 flying?
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[22:21] <fsphil> likely yea
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:21] <Laurenceb_> this HF isnt working too good?
[22:22] <fsphil> not heard by anyone
[22:22] <fsphil> other than Leo at launch
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> i see
[22:23] <fsphil> I think the last HF one did the same
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> MUF'd it.
[22:28] <craag> oo hf launch?
[22:28] <craag> internet here tonight is awful, can't load spacenear.
[22:29] <craag> freq?
[22:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> It was a test that finished at 11:30
[22:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 13Mhz ISM band
[22:30] <fsphil> SP9UOB still going
[22:30] <fsphil> 13.553 USB
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[22:32] <craag> I've got 1hz pulses, no dominoex. That's just with the 6/2/70 in the loft and fcd++ though.
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[22:36] <fsphil> I keep checking the websdr but nothing there yet
[22:36] <fsphil> either not transmitting or putting out a very weak signal
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> hi craag
[22:40] <craag> evening Lunar_Lander
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> B-16 reports don't sound so good
[22:40] <craag> intertubes are heavily clogged here, even mosh is struggling :(
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> got a good news
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> ordered the copper clad board
[22:41] <craag> cool!
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> gonna meet the team mates tomorrow
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> copper board should be here by tuesday
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> maybe we can start constructing tomorrow
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> so that there is time for testing
[22:41] <craag> Yeah early is good :)
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:42] <craag> I'm working on a backup tracker for my flight in 3 weeks, figured backup tracker should be working first!
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> hoping it will not be like in "micro men"
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> with the computer construction for the bBC
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> *BBC
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[23:00] <sv1ljj> what is the green circle around the balloon?
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> that should mean 5 deg elevation for the balloon position
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> that the balloon is 5 deg above the horizon at the circle
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[23:04] <sv1ljj> ...so for everyone outside that circle the balloon is below 5 deg????
[23:04] <craag> yes
[23:05] <sv1ljj> ok!!! thanks!!!
[23:06] <G8APZ> SV1LLJ From experience, with a 9ele yagi, I could hear 23dB/n when 100km outside the blue circle!!
[23:06] <G8APZ> LJJ sorry
[23:07] <sv1ljj> I suppose that the blue circle is the range that was heard. right?
[23:08] <G8APZ> yes.. if you are in blue circle with a good antenna you will hear
[23:08] <craag> blue circle is 0 degrees
[23:09] <G8APZ> craag: do you look after spacenear code?
[23:09] <craag> No I don't (thankfully)
[23:09] <sv1ljj> hehehehe
[23:10] <G8APZ> OK!! Just that it looks like Google maps v2... which is deprecated, and I think may be withdrawn mid October
[23:10] <craag> Yes I've mentioned that in the past
[23:10] <craag> it is planned to be rewritten, but it's a bit of a mess behind-the-scenes
[23:11] <G8APZ> I run beaconspot.eu which has beaconmaps and the conversion is a pain in the aristotle!
[23:11] <craag> Hehe, I run dxspot.tv, so also know the maps api well!
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[23:12] <craag> Have you got a ref for the mid-October deprecation?
[23:12] <G8APZ> The API for v3 has lost loads of facilities... and I don't like it!!
[23:12] <G8APZ> hang on....
[23:12] Nick change: DrLuke__ -> DrLuke
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[23:13] <craag> Yeah, re-implementing the tabs in the popups was the biggest pain. I did experience a bit of a performance boost though.
[23:13] <G8APZ> Therefore, were extending the deprecation timeline for JavaScript Maps API v2 by six months, to November 19, 2013. On that date, we will attempt to automagically turn remaining v2 maps into v3 maps, by way of a JavaScript wrapper we will deploy. We expect this wrapper to work for most simple maps, but to avoid any last minute surprises we strongly encourage sites to complete their migration to v3 ahead of this date.
[23:14] <craag> haha ok
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[23:14] <craag> mid-november
[23:14] <craag> will keep that in mind!
[23:14] <G8APZ> I had 3 tabs... you cannot do that in v3
[23:15] <craag> nope, not without 3rd-party stuff
[23:15] <G8APZ> go to beaconspot.eu as guest..select beacons and beacon map... any band will do... see the tabs
[23:16] <G8APZ> I hate it when backward compatibility is lost
[23:16] <G8APZ> new kids on the block... asses
[23:17] <craag> There are ways though, see dxspot.tv and click on any station.
[23:19] <G8APZ> yes.. I was trying to implement different colour markers which was easy in v2.... I'm on a learning curve now in V3 just to get the sodding tabs working!
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[23:21] <G8APZ> maybe some advice required ... seems like the map does very similar things... I wanted red when offline and green when QRV
[23:21] <sv1ljj> goodnight to all
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[23:22] <G8APZ> SV1LJJ Goodnight...
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[23:23] <craag> G8APZ: All the code is up at https://github.com/BritishAmateurTelevisionClub/dxspottv
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[23:24] <G8APZ> craag: OK thanks I'll bookmark and have a look... most code snippets use hard coded single items not HTML built from loops in PHP!
[23:25] <G8APZ> craag: do you know Dave Lawton?
[23:25] <craag> Yep, most of it on the sync side is quite hacky, was built as learning exercise and slowly improving!
[23:25] <craag> No
[23:26] <G8APZ> OK ..he was BBCTV and G8ANO and quite active in BATC
[23:27] <craag> I might have seen the callsign around
[23:27] <craag> Yeah
[23:27] <craag> Haven't met him though
[23:28] <G8APZ> First met him in Ealing W5 in 60s... when a TV IF strip was a 70cm rx!!
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[23:29] <G8APZ> retuned tuner to cover 432MHz... and TX was usually Pye taxi kit!!
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[23:31] <G8APZ> I need to go though... dentist early tomorrow...
[23:31] <G8APZ> and still bloody programming at age 69!!
[23:31] <craag> gn! I'm struggling with gps-lock-gremlins here..
[23:31] <G8APZ> using GPS messages?
[23:32] <craag> Yeah putting together a backup tracker for a flight
[23:32] <G8APZ> only NMEA?
[23:32] <craag> I'm using UBX to talk to it.
[23:33] <craag> Getting back strange messages at the moment though, think I need put an FTDI on it.. not tonight though!
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[23:33] <craag> I'm off, gn!
[23:33] <G8APZ> I don't have much experience of the nitty gritty! I GPS lock on 3cm and 24GHz from a GPS locked 10MHz oscillator locking a PLL in the mult chain
[23:34] <craag> Ah cool. Yeah this is just a hab payload.
[23:34] <craag> Previously working (6 months ago) but not now..
[23:34] <G8APZ> no room for heavy kit!! GN 73
[23:34] <craag> 73
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