highaltitude.log.20131005

[00:03] <Laurenceb_> you can buy rs232 to 3.5mm off the shelf
[00:03] <Laurenceb_> its not so weird
[00:04] <Laurenceb_> biggest lulz is the i2c "gpio"
[00:04] <fsphil> yea
[00:06] <Laurenceb_> itd probably be better to run the gpio out of the PCIe
[00:09] <Laurenceb_> "Galileo can be programmed with the Arduino software"
[00:09] <Laurenceb_> wait wut
[00:09] <Laurenceb_> they are compiling for bare metal x86??
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[00:43] <enkidu> why not?
[00:44] <enkidu> of course I dont know if one will use all of 1k+ instructions
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[00:52] <SpeedEvil> I sorta wish someone'd get the BBBs PRUs to emulate an arduino.
[00:52] <SpeedEvil> That would be amusing
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[02:13] <enkidu> you can alway emulate x86 on atmega
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[02:22] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[02:27] <fsphil> someone's wrote an ARM emulator for an atmega
[02:27] <Lunar_Lander> Acron ARM
[02:27] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[02:27] <Lunar_Lander> how comes you are still up?!
[02:27] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[02:28] <fsphil> faulty payload
[02:28] <fsphil> and you? :p
[02:29] <Mik_WD8MNV> if you're gonna throw it away, toss it this way
[02:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah the metal night of HR3 ended at 4 am :)
[02:30] <fsphil> I'm not sure what that is
[02:31] <Lunar_Lander> HR3 is a radio station in Hesse+
[02:31] <Lunar_Lander> and every three months, there is a four hour show focusing just on Heavy Metal music
[02:32] <Lunar_Lander> which runs from midnight to 4 am
[02:33] <fsphil> ah
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> the title is a bit
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> strange
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[02:33] <Lunar_Lander> "Hard and Heavy - The Long Hard Night on HR3"
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[02:36] <fsphil> my gps module give me a single good position and now it's stopped talking
[02:39] <Lunar_Lander> :(
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[02:44] <fsphil> hopefully something silly
[02:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:45] <fsphil> the scope is showing serial data coming out of it
[02:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[02:48] <Lunar_Lander> OK best of luck!
[02:48] <Lunar_Lander> gonna get some sleep
[02:50] <fsphil> nite!
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[02:57] <fsphil> ah ha, solder bridge
[02:58] <fsphil> hmm.. not fixed it
[03:07] <Mik_WD8MNV> did you try turning it off and back on again?
[03:11] <fsphil> found a bad connection, got it sorta working
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[03:14] <enkidu> I wonder, how long USA is going to keep GPS open during shutdown
[03:15] <fsphil> military system, not affected
[03:17] <fsphil> woo, bug fixed
[03:22] <heathkid> ?
[03:27] <fsphil> having gps problems
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[03:53] <enkidu> fsphil: but it may be limited to military only again
[03:53] <enkidu> all civil usage is based on ground stations
[03:54] <enkidu> that are publishing efemerides
[03:56] <enkidu> in most countries however you have network of stations that give you high precision measurements even with coded GPS signal
[04:13] <enkidu> in Poland it is 1mm accuracy
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[05:15] <Rebounder> enkidu: note with a code-only-receiver i think?
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[05:29] <Rebounder> I'm detecting signals abount every 5 min. About 300 Hz wide. Could be B15?
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[05:32] <CopyRight> x-f: thank you 4 infon :)
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[05:35] <tr0lli> any firm info on the 70 cm polarisation of B-15 ?
[05:35] <tr0lli> one of the photos might indicate vertical (yup, newbie, about 10 minutes)
[05:35] <KT5TK> yes, vertical
[05:36] <tr0lli> tnx
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[05:39] <KT5TK> B-15 is using 434.500 MHz, USB, DominoEX 16, vertical polarisation
[05:39] <CopyRight> *notepad*
[05:40] <KT5TK> See http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/index.html
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[05:41] <tr0lli> yup, got a last second e-mail from DL7AD_
[05:42] <tr0lli> google earth is not updating since, like, yesterday morning ?
[05:43] <KT5TK> B-15 is solar powered. Maybe it went off during the night
[05:43] <KT5TK> Ah
[05:43] <KT5TK> Update in Sweden
[05:44] <CopyRight> crap.
[05:44] <CopyRight> gettin close
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[05:44] <CopyRight> I dont have enything ready -.-
[05:45] <tr0lli> yup, just banged in an update
[05:45] <KT5TK> Record the signal. you can decode later
[05:46] <tr0lli> second packet
[05:46] <CopyRight> yupp. need to drive after my yaesu radio -.-
[05:46] <KT5TK> congrats
[05:47] <CopyRight> nah. need to fill upp :S
[05:47] <CopyRight> 80~euro poff xD
[05:47] <CopyRight> hehe
[05:48] <tr0lli> somebody in arboga relaying ?
[05:49] <Rebounder> wow, it acutally worked!
[05:49] <Rebounder> the filter seemed just 50 hz wide and signal wsas of course much wider
[05:51] <CopyRight> :)
[05:52] <Mik_WD8MNV> i'd think b-15 would be waking up soon
[05:53] <Mik_WD8MNV> it's heading for Ikea, looking for that monkey
[05:53] <CopyRight> haha :)
[05:54] <tr0lli> :-)
[05:55] <tr0lli> i am doing my best to alert OH, but this is really short notice :-(
[05:57] <CopyRight> OH?
[05:57] <tr0lli> finland
[05:57] <CopyRight> ah
[05:58] <CopyRight> Iam going after my radio in a bit
[05:58] <CopyRight> iam in Vasa
[05:58] <tr0lli> great :-)
[05:59] <tr0lli> padasjoki, finland hr
[06:00] <CopyRight> ah
[06:00] <CopyRight> do you get signal?
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[06:09] <andyn_> Anyone tracking PSB?
[06:11] <vk3jed-wx> Out of range by 30km or so from here :(
[06:11] <tr0lli> CopyRight, nope, just checked
[06:12] <vk3jed-wx> I did try, but just a collection of weak birdies, no sig from PSB
[06:16] <andyn_> Over Sale now, 6200m
[06:17] <vk3jed-wx> Year, I see it on the tracker
[06:19] <CopyRight> tr0lli: alright
[06:19] <Rebounder> Mik_WD8MNV: what monkey? :)
[06:20] <Upu> busy morning :)
[06:20] <tr0lli> any idea of b-15 altitude at the mo ?
[06:20] <vk3jed-wx> Solar powered payload sounds interesting
[06:20] <andyn_> no tracking after dark :)
[06:20] <andyn_> at least for PSB it is
[06:20] <x-f> tr0lli, it's in the telemetry - 8181m
[06:20] <vk3jed-wx> True, not without backup batteries! :)
[06:20] <x-f> good morning :)
[06:21] <tr0lli> x-f, ok, i have not yet figured where to find the public telemetry (<1 hr newby)
[06:22] <vk3jed-wx> andyn_: the station here is now all sorted, been running all sorts of digital modes. :)
[06:23] <Upu> tr0lli http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[06:23] <Rebounder> tr0lli: Altitude: 8181 m
[06:23] <tr0lli> ok, so the range should be about 400 km
[06:24] <Rebounder> I have a big hill i the NE so I will probably have problems tracking it then.
[06:24] <tr0lli> Upu: what is the callsign ?
[06:25] <andyn_> vk3jed-wx: will give you plenty of warning next time :)
[06:25] <x-f> tr0lli, telemetry string looks like this - $$B-15,826,062247,131005,59.6174,16.6218,8158,7,-24,3.89,0.48*d87f
[06:25] <CopyRight> what program to use?? Cant remembere -.-
[06:25] <x-f> CopyRight, dl-fldigi - http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[06:26] <CopyRight> ty
[06:26] <x-f> np
[06:27] <x-f> how to set it up - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[06:27] <CopyRight> good. just need to get wlan working @laptop -.-
[06:28] <tr0lli> but doesn't the tracker site need the callsign of the object to be tracked
[06:28] <CopyRight> connection failed :S
[06:28] <vk3jed-wx> Cool, might need it, with summer approaching, I may have to put the station into automatic mode!
[06:29] <CopyRight> dwesfhjsbfghkjkdjfkjsdafdhj. ffs. capslock ......
[06:29] <vk3jed-wx> I know my weekend availability gets spotty from now on, so just gonna have to play it by ear. :)
[06:29] <x-f> tr0lli, callsign is B-15 - dl-fldigi automatically uploads your received telemetry to the server and sorts it out for displaying on the map
[06:31] <Mik_WD8MNV> the one that got out of the car at Ikea, it was wearing a coat
[06:31] <x-f> nice, OH3UW just appeared on the map
[06:31] <x-f> looks like i'll be out of range though
[06:31] <tr0lli> nah, nuffink, just a wggs window
[06:31] <tr0lli> om jari
[06:32] <tr0lli> gotta go, but there should be some more activity from finland today
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[06:38] <tr0lli> DL7AD_ Sven, right here
[06:38] <DL7AD_> tr0lli: oh good morning
[06:38] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[06:38] <tr0lli> gm :)
[06:38] <DL7AD> tr0lli: early in the morning here (for saturday)
[06:39] <tr0lli> yup, have an hours advantage here
[06:39] <tr0lli> still 500 km to my qth, but soon, very soon
[06:39] <DL7AD> tr0lli: like expected. just to let you know. i sent the mail to several guys of finland ;)
[06:40] <tr0lli> i noticed :-)
[06:40] <DL7AD> tr0lli: so i think somebody already sent this mail to the distributor
[06:40] <tr0lli> sure, two of us so far
[06:41] <tr0lli> iirc about 700 oh hams
[06:41] <DL7AD> tr0lli: just to get sure that not only the one i tried to contact is not there eg
[06:41] <DL7AD> wow
[06:41] <tr0lli> beats the hf contest crap :-)
[06:41] <DL7AD> are the also some persons from russia in it?
[06:42] <tr0lli> maybe one or two
[06:42] <tr0lli> no idea how to warn those guys
[06:42] <tr0lli> good point tho
[06:43] <tr0lli> heading straight for siberia, past the pole ;-)
[06:43] <DL7AD> tr0lli: just write them like i did.
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[06:43] <x-f> i think Leo will take care of them
[06:43] <tr0lli> only i have no idea of their distribution lists
[06:43] <x-f> speaking of the devil :)
[06:43] <LeoBodnar> morning! whom?!
[06:43] <LeoBodnar> :D
[06:44] <x-f> good morning
[06:44] <tr0lli> yep :-)
[06:44] <DL7AD> good morning to all
[06:44] <x-f> LeoBodnar, have you posted anything on Russian forums yet?
[06:45] <DL7AD> btw LeoBodnar is the guy who has launched B-15 tr0lli
[06:45] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it had an announcement yesterday and I will give an update this morning yet again
[06:45] <tr0lli> i know :-)
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[06:46] <LeoBodnar> moin DL7AD
[06:46] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: moin moin :D
[06:46] <tr0lli> well, gotta haul my 70 cm radio into the mobile, just for the fun of it
[06:46] <LeoBodnar> SM3ULC nice save!
[06:46] <LeoBodnar> :D
[06:47] <LeoBodnar> B-15 sensed that battery was getting too low too quickly and went into hibernation mode. It takes survival as higher priority than transmitting telemetry.
[06:48] <tr0lli> turning south
[06:48] <tr0lli> or east rather
[06:48] <LeoBodnar> GPS must have started ephemeris downloading again and took battery below 3.55v
[06:49] <tr0lli> happy it passed the airports ok :)
[06:49] <x-f> is it completely silent during hibernation?
[06:49] <LeoBodnar> Should have beeped but now telemtry
[06:50] <LeoBodnar> *no
[06:50] <x-f> ah, right
[06:50] <LeoBodnar> we need to ask if somebody heard it during the night
[06:50] <LeoBodnar> beeps get progressively wider as voltage drops
[06:50] <tr0lli> CopyRight: should be coming into your range now
[06:51] <LeoBodnar> 3.5v is 3 sec intervals to 9 seconds at 3.1v
[06:51] <LeoBodnar> below 3.1v it stops beeping altogether
[06:51] <CopyRight> tr0lli: u think so?
[06:51] <LeoBodnar> I am updating the forecast
[06:54] <LeoBodnar> Haha! What a difference a day makes! http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/15917_trj001.gif
[06:54] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: thankyou, 15 dB here now on a dipol inside window
[06:55] <LeoBodnar> Wow! Are you in Stockholm?
[06:57] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: yes, slightly out ot nw
[06:58] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: almost next to an ikea.. :)
[06:58] <tr0lli> about 400 km range ?
[06:58] <LeoBodnar> Cool! Tack för tracking!
[06:58] <LeoBodnar> :D
[06:58] <CopyRight> Svenska :)
[06:58] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: Det var så lite så!
[06:59] <LeoBodnar> Have you heard beeps before telemetry started coming in again?
[06:59] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: can check next time, have to run vnc to my receiverboxes
[06:59] <LeoBodnar> Ah, OK
[07:00] <LeoBodnar> Right time at right place Rebounder
[07:01] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: but accorind to the waterfall there are no beeps
[07:01] <LeoBodnar> too early for articles and other minor language inconveniences
[07:01] <LeoBodnar> Right now?
[07:02] <Rebounder> have a 1.5 y old qrm here
[07:03] <Rebounder> a double short beep ahead o signal
[07:03] <LeoBodnar> ok thanks
[07:04] <LeoBodnar> Is it still around 434.500?
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[07:06] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: the beeps are 434.500.750 here
[07:06] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: rtl..so calibrated last night
[07:12] <LeoBodnar> thanks for the info Rebounder
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[07:19] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: does the output power differ between transmissions? ever other seem do alter between 5 and 15 dB here
[07:19] <Rebounder> s/do/to
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[07:20] <LeoBodnar> Not until battery reaches 4.0v and solar power 0.6v
[07:20] <LeoBodnar> Should be constant power
[07:20] <LeoBodnar> now
[07:21] <LeoBodnar> but I can't guarantee this
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[07:46] <PA1SDB> GM Hunters !
[07:49] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: can still hear it pretty ok but won't decode anymore.
[07:50] <LeoBodnar> OK, thanks! Finland should take over later on.
[07:51] <LeoBodnar> Usually it decodes even when you barely hear it
[07:52] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: I seem so be straight in the path a lot of times. will put better antenna higher..
[07:52] <LeoBodnar> It looks like turbulent morning - temperature and altitude vary a lot. Probably this explains signal level changes
[07:52] <LeoBodnar> cool
[07:52] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: yeah, did a recording so i can play it again later, maybe something with fldigi
[07:53] <LeoBodnar> oh, great, if you upload it somewhere we can have a go at cracking it
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[07:55] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: seems i was a bit late with the recordingbutton.. the beginning seems to be lost
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[07:55] <LeoBodnar> :) no problem
[07:55] <LeoBodnar> even partial is ok
[07:56] <Rebounder> oki
[07:57] <CopyRight> is OH6EEA in here?
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[08:05] <DL1SGP> Good morning and a good weekend to all!
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> moin DL1SGP
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> and weekend too!
[08:06] <DL1SGP> Hey there Leo, how is it floating :)
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> smooothly so far
[08:07] <LeoBodnar> Australians floating too
[08:07] <DL1SGP> great, let's see if they float over to the Queen :)
[08:08] <LeoBodnar> Hehe would be nice if balloon can jump between wind belts
[08:09] <LeoBodnar> Finns are taking over the tracking
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[08:10] <CopyRight> .:10:57:33:. < CopyRight> is OH6EEA in here?
[08:10] <CopyRight> :P
[08:10] <CopyRight> Hello
[08:10] <OH6EEA> Hi
[08:10] <CopyRight> OH6EEA: You are "close" to me. Iam in Vasa :P
[08:10] <f5vnf> anybody know what freq UGGY will be on
[08:10] <DL1SGP> Fin(n)s help when it comes to float :)
[08:10] <OH6EEA> :)
[08:11] <Upu> wow who put the call out for the Finnish :) Morning :)
[08:11] <LeoBodnar> Morning Upu
[08:11] <Upu> f5vnf not sure UGGY is launching today
[08:11] <DL1SGP> Good Morning Upu
[08:11] <Upu> ORION is
[08:11] <Upu> possiby
[08:11] <Upu> morning all
[08:11] <LeoBodnar> Sven DL7AD has been at work probably :)
[08:12] <LeoBodnar> Hyva Paivaa Suomi
[08:12] <Upu> quite an impressive number of tracking stations
[08:12] <CopyRight> yes :P
[08:12] <LeoBodnar> Haven't been to Helsinki for almost 10 years now
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> Antennas are appearing like mushrooms on the map
[08:13] <CopyRight> haha :=)
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> fsphil is on the map too
[08:13] <OH6EEA> Hope my antenna stays up, really strong wind at the moment
[08:13] <f5vnf> upu ok have to go out and noticed it on the tracker
[08:13] <CopyRight> OH6EEA: what antenna do you have?
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[08:13] <OH6EEA> Homemade GP
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[08:13] <CopyRight> i only got a 1/2 11m xD
[08:14] <CopyRight> alright
[08:14] <Upu> refresh the tracker
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[08:14] <OH6EEA> 1/4 aprox 11-13m from ground
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[08:16] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[08:16] <LeoBodnar> lol
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Guys :-)
[08:16] <f5vnf_> upu ah! " thinks" must put auto refresh on traker page
[08:17] <LeoBodnar> Floatiday
[08:17] <Upu> well I wouldn't do that :)
[08:17] <Upu> but it is very busy atm
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[08:20] <ibanezmatt13> I think fsphil just had a blip with his GPS coordinates :)
[08:21] <fsphil> needed to chill
[08:21] <ibanezmatt13> :)
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[08:21] Action: mikestir just zapped a massive source of QRM
[08:22] <mikestir> chinese SMPSU. CE my foot
[08:22] <daveake> Green Isle to Green Land
[08:22] <daveake> China Export
[08:23] <mikestir> indeed
[08:24] <darkstar-2001> Upu: FYI (well I think its you!) - the link on your uBLOX MAX-7C Module page on HAB supplies for the Eagle library gives a 404. It should end Ava.lbr not ava.lbr
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[08:29] <tweetBot> @PD3EM: See http://t.co/pyLKTB4bVK for the flight path and http://t.co/A87CgEZxsB for a how to start help tracking a balloon #UKHAS #HAB
[08:30] <PE2G> Good morning. Just recovered an RS92-SGP: http://bit.ly/1byjDYq . A very nice start of the weekend :)
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[08:32] <LeoBodnar> Nice PE2G ! When has it been launched?
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[08:32] <PE2G> At 23:30 UTC , Oct 4
[08:32] <PE2G> Landed at 01:30 UTC
[08:32] <LeoBodnar> Does it TX while on the ground?
[08:32] <Upu> thanks darkstar-2001 I'll fix that
[08:33] <DL1SGP> Great PE2G I listened to the one tumbling around here yesterday. and yes they dx on ground LeoBodnar
[08:33] <DL1SGP> "tx" even
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[08:33] <PE2G> Yeah,I was at the landing spot at 0:30 UTC, RS still tx-ing :)
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> Dedication!
[08:34] <PE2G> at 06:30 UTC at the landing spot
[08:34] <DL1SGP> PE2G, under current weather conditions the batteries can last up to 6h
[08:34] <in3aqk> 73 to all hams de in3aqk
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> morning in3aqk :)
[08:34] <OH2GSY> hi in3aqk
[08:34] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Yeah, I think even more than that
[08:35] <DL1SGP> good morning Paolpo
[08:35] <LeoBodnar> de ham-with-no-callsign
[08:35] <DL1SGP> *Paolo
[08:35] <in3aqk> My compliment to the fantastic job all are doing with ballons
[08:36] <DL1SGP> yes PE2G even more than that :) always is a bit depending on the batteries used... was the RS92-SGP you found flying on NiCAD or hydro-battery?
[08:37] <in3aqk> I'm gatering informations on the argument, so probably soon on air-in the air, at the moment I'll only monitor the chat and your web sites, 73 and have all a productive week end
[08:38] <PA1SDB> PE2G Is there a launch schedule and known TX frequency regarding RS9S's ? Is there telemetry software around ?
[08:38] <PE2G> DL1SGP: Panasonic LR6-AA Industrial Alkaline
[08:38] <DL1SGP> yes PA1SDB
[08:38] <DL1SGP> http://radiosonde.eu has a bunch of info
[08:39] <x-f> SP9UOB has just launched
[08:39] <PA1SDB> DL1SGP O.K. Tnx !
[08:39] <x-f> ..another pico
[08:39] <DL1SGP> http://radiosonde.eu/RS00-N/RS00-N.html
[08:40] <OH2GSY> so you guys track and hunt radiosondes launched by met organisations etc, or do you launch them yourselves?
[08:40] <DL1SGP> for my case it is track and hunt :)
[08:40] <LeoBodnar> thanks in3aqk !
[08:40] <PE2G> PA1SDB: Station details http://goo.gl/maps/pzL0F
[08:40] <OH2GSY> sounds cool :)
[08:41] <Mik_WD8MNV> they're like pokemon
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[08:41] <PE2G> OH2GSY: We let the met-stations do the launching :)
[08:41] <DL1SGP> like that we do not have to pay for the helium :)
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[08:42] <OH2GSY> never occurred to me that you could do that
[08:43] <OH2GSY> thanks for a nice idea :D
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[08:43] <DL1SGP> on the RS92-SGP there is not so much recycling potential, the Graw DFM-06 has a good GPS module that we can use for the tracker for the HAM Club related Balloon Starts
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[08:46] <zs6bnt> h
[08:46] <DL1SGP> hi zs6bnt
[08:46] <zs6bnt> RTTY station in IO83LW are you on this page?
[08:48] <zs6bnt> hi DL1sgp - Dave in Cleveleys UK. Do you know how to change my nick permanentlt - or is there a web page with commands?
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[08:49] <DL1SGP> you can use the /nick <newnickname> command, all other settings depend on the software you use to connect
[08:49] <zs6bnt> OK I'll change now
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[08:50] <x-f> OH2GSY, i tracked a radiosonde that was launched from Jokioinen this morning, there will be another one at around 12z on 402 or 403 MHz
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[08:54] <Maxell> x-f: how do you know the launch times in advance?
[08:55] <PA1SDB> PE2G O.K. tnx !
[08:55] <DL1SGP> Maxell: they are coordinated
[08:55] <DL1SGP> the data of the atmospheric soundings is collected and archived globally :)
[08:56] <jcoxon> did B-15 stop txing overnight?
[08:56] <x-f> Maxell, 00, 12, sometimes on 06, 09, 18 UTC too
[08:57] <x-f> jcoxon, yes, it went into hibernation, because battery voltage was dropping too quickly (Leo explained earlier)
[08:57] <CopyRight> 68,575
[08:57] <CopyRight> oops wrong window
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[09:01] <jcoxon> x-f, i see
[09:01] <PE2G> Maxell: Dutch met-office only has a soundings at 00 UTC since Jan 1, due to spending cuts.
[09:02] <jcoxon> tracking has been handed over to finland
[09:02] <PE2G> Maxell: And an ozone sonde on Thursday 12 UTC
[09:03] <Maxell> PE2G: nice, is there some kind of "ukhas for radiosondes"?
[09:05] <Maxell> PE2G: so like, midnight only? :(
[09:05] <OH2GSY> x-f: thanks for the information, I'll see if I can track one too. I am currently tracking this ham balloon: http://bit.ly/191HHgP
[09:06] <PE2G> Maxell: That's: http://www.radiosonde.eu
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[09:06] <WillTablet> Hi
[09:07] <PE2G> Maxell: Yeah, 00 UTC sounding means a launch at about 23:30 UTC or earlier
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[09:08] <jcoxon> if you zoom out on spacenear.us its as if there is a wall of antennas over poland
[09:09] <LeoBodnar> Who needs an early warning system? :D
[09:09] <Maxell> hehe
[09:10] <x-f> Maxell, you can cheat a bit - leave the receiver on and script the SondeMonitor (it's easy, there's a sample) :)
[09:11] <Maxell> x-f: thats no fun
[09:11] <Maxell> And tricky for a first time
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[09:51] <OH2FQV> Afternoon
[09:52] <LeoBodnar> Afternoon OH2FQV
[09:53] <OH2FQV> How are you? Any activity here today? I'm following B-15 balloon
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[10:01] <OH6EEA> was a bit tricky, but now my station receives B-15 signal :) hope that data is useful :)
[10:03] <DL1SGP> it is useful OH6EEA :)
[10:03] <DL1SGP> thanks for your efforts and the kind help on tracking the floaty
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[10:04] <OH6EEA> My pleasure :)
[10:04] <OH2FQV> Aftetnoon DL1SGP, OH6EEA. For me it was tricky to get my position correctly set. Software did not set by normal KP20MF.
[10:05] <DL1SGP> I tend to use this tool for getting them into programs OH2FQV http://www.mapcoordinates.net/
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[10:07] <OH2FQV> DL1SGP Thanks. I tried that and it looks quite good. Tho my altitude it gets wrong, some 40m too low.... :o)
[10:08] <DL1SGP> hehe yeah it was quite OK for my location altitude wise
[10:08] <OH2FQV> Thanks of the help, now I'm on the map within some 20m, instead of earlier 20km off
[10:09] <DL1SGP> on 20m distance we should find you by keeping eyes out for antennas :)
[10:10] <DL1SGP> well I gonna be away from my keyboard for a short while, good luck tracking the floaters and until laters :)
[10:10] <DL1SGP> 73
[10:10] <OH2FQV> heh, yes, this place is apartment house, some 90m long...... and only one at this area with ham antennas on the roof.
[10:11] <OH2FQV> DL1SGP Thank you of your kind help for my loc problem. Good day to you. See you hopefully soon
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[10:33] <nats`> hi
[10:33] <Maxell> DL1SGP: intresting website. Source for altitude data?
[10:33] <Maxell> Somehow I live near a 250+ meter cliff
[10:33] <nats`> is there some HAM near Paris I would like to do some RX test
[10:33] <Maxell> And I'm on top of it
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[10:36] <gonzo___> we don't have too many french stations in this chan
[10:36] <DL1SGP> Maxell, unknown source, they might have derived height data from SRTS Shuttle Missions which could explain errors outside USA as data for non US area is available in lower res only
[10:37] <Hix> maxell 250m in .nl?
[10:37] <DL1SGP> anyhow I am still AFK :)
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[10:40] <Hix> nats` not sure how far away he is but look our for F6AGV on here
[10:41] <nats`> thanks for the tips Hix :)
[10:41] <nats`> I'll try to contact him :)
[10:41] <Hix> on spacenear there is F5CT to the N.E of Le Mans too
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[10:42] <Hix> f6agv@free.fr nats`
[10:47] <jcoxon> any news on orion from fsphil?
[10:49] <nats`> hix I found his website I'll see :) I don't want to bother him too much :)
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[10:49] <jcoxon> nats`, are you building a balloon payload?
[10:49] <Hix> 'son the map jcoxon
[10:50] <jcoxon> Hix, yeah but no updates for a while
[10:50] <craag> He was up late last night due to issues with the payload.
[10:51] <craag> I don't know exactly what though.
[10:51] <mfa298> scanning some of the scrollback overnight it looked like he was having some issues with it
[10:51] <craag> morning mfa298
[10:51] <mfa298> morning craag (/me checks clock, yes still just morning)
[10:52] <craag> hehe my IRC is on UTC, still very much morning!
[10:53] <Maxell> Hix: muahhaah yes
[10:53] <Maxell> and a few streets to the left it's 1 meter
[10:53] <Maxell> so yeah
[10:53] <Maxell> :P
[10:54] <Maxell> DL1SGP: intresting
[10:54] <Maxell> However it did noticed the sea @ 1 meter
[10:54] <nats`> jcoxon not really I mainly want to test and see if I can receive some radio communication from my balcony
[10:54] <nats`> I have a full view to the south of paris suburb
[10:54] <jcoxon> what radio do you have?
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[10:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> afternoon :-)
[10:55] <jcoxon> there should be APRS on 144.800mhz
[10:55] <jcoxon> FM
[10:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: could You please import SR0FLY-11 from APRS to spacenear.us ?
[10:55] <Maxell> nats`: WideFM for radio :P
[10:55] <Maxell> s/radio/commercial radio/
[10:55] <nats`> jcoxon I have plenty of receiver and I can already air all the air traffic system of the aeroport near me :)
[10:56] <nats`> airport
[10:56] <Maxell> nats`: yeah check for amateur radio beacons
[10:56] <Maxell> or repeaters
[10:56] <Maxell> or even do AIS monitoring
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[10:56] <Maxell> or ADSB
[10:56] <Maxell> or ACARS :D
[10:56] <nats`> adsb is fine
[10:56] <Maxell> or pagers
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[10:56] <nats`> poscag in franc eis used for meteo and I can have it :)
[10:56] <Maxell> so much automated radio links
[10:56] <WillTablet> Upu, GPS arrived
[10:57] <nats`> but my main problem here is more knowing the distance
[10:57] <nats`> I received many signal but don't know where they come from
[10:57] <nats`> so it's pretty useless
[10:57] <mfa298> I've found pmr446 to be a good one for testing as well (assuming there's as much accross eu as uk)
[10:57] <jcoxon> well aprs usually contains the position of the beacon
[10:57] <nats`> having an HAM doing emission and trying to get it will indicate how wide is my rx range
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[10:58] <nats`> jcoxon true but I'm interested on the 433 band to track balloon :)
[10:58] <Maxell> nats`: http://aprs.fi/#!addr=Paris%2C%20France indicated a few digipeaters
[10:58] <nats`> ohh thanks Maxell :)
[10:59] <Maxell> nats`: do you have a maidenhead location or something more specific?
[10:59] <nats`> yep exactly where F6DBX-9 is going right now on the map you gave me oO
[11:00] <nats`> massy to be exact
[11:00] <Maxell> :P
[11:00] <Maxell> 144.8 MHz is europe APRS
[11:00] <Maxell> it's 1200 baud AFSK
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[11:01] <PB0NER> HASNL just woke up
[11:01] <nats`> but may I ask they all emit on 144.8 ?
[11:01] <nats`> or they are other channel
[11:01] <Maxell> no
[11:01] <PB0NER> APRS is on 144.8
[11:01] <Maxell> all europe uses 144.8
[11:01] <PB0NER> rx/tx
[11:01] <Maxell> In .nl we also have 430.5125 Mhz
[11:01] <nats`> because there are some meteo station DW3623 F6CNB-5 and CW7546 in direct view from my balcony
[11:01] <PB0NER> but.... APRS is not usable for balloons
[11:01] <Maxell> nats`: you can decode with Qtmm: http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmm/files/1.0.37/
[11:02] <Maxell> PB0NER: it is
[11:02] <nats`> oky I'll read more about aprs
[11:02] <Maxell> yes aprs is cool
[11:02] <nats`> I didn't search much on that just heared some stuff on that band
[11:02] <mfa298> nats`: if you listen to 144.8 NFM you should hear a bit of noise (a bit like an old dialup modem) that's someone sending thier position.
[11:02] <chrisg7ogx> there's a nice APRS app for android
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[11:02] <mfa298> you can then get bits of software to decode it and give you a position.
[11:02] <chrisg7ogx> called aprs droid
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[11:03] <PB0NER> be carefull about HAM frequencies and unmanned stations (a balloon is) you need special permit
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[11:03] <Maxell> PB0NER: oh that sucks :(
[11:03] <nats`> PB0NER in any case I'll never launch balloon in france :)
[11:04] <nats`> you need a police authority authorisation
[11:04] <nats`> even for smaller one
[11:04] <nats`> so it's a no go for me
[11:04] <nats`> I'll not ask police every time I want to launch one
[11:04] <PB0NER> I'm not really sure, but the technology is not very usable for balloons either
[11:04] <Maxell> nats`: how far of a drive is it towards .be?
[11:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon, Upu: Thank You
[11:05] <jcoxon> aprs works great on balloons
[11:05] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, that was me :-)
[11:05] <Maxell> PB0NER: it's doable, it's happening right now: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=11&call=a%2FSR0FLY-11
[11:05] <nats`> paris to belgium don't know maybe 4 hours
[11:05] <nats`> better to pick the train
[11:05] <Maxell> nats`: with helium tank?!
[11:05] <nats`> (and I don't have auto driver license only moto)
[11:05] <PB0NER> From here to paris is 4 hours by car...
[11:05] <PB0NER> (Rotterdam)
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[11:06] <nats`> thanks for all the links and advice I'll check all of that :)
[11:07] <PB0NER> PA3WEG knows about why APRS is not usable for balloons, but in NL it is illegal without special permit
[11:07] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: thank You :-)
[11:07] <jcoxon> PB0NER, its certainly not as fun
[11:07] <bertrik> I guess you need a lot more power to do 1200 baud APRS than to do 50 baud RTTY
[11:08] <Maxell> bertrik: you will
[11:08] <PB0NER> I do not want to talk b*llsh*t
[11:08] <Maxell> Dutch N licence would permit 25 watts :P
[11:08] <Maxell> doeet
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[11:08] <nats`> sillt question but is there a LBT system one aprs stuff ?
[11:09] <PB0NER> yeah, and efficiency of an PA is about 33%
[11:09] <nats`> because if everyone is talking on 144.8 that should be a mess
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[11:09] <PB0NER> ax.25 is made for that
[11:09] <Maxell> bertrik: 25 watts picoamericur style
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[11:09] <jcoxon> nats`, teh packets are short and collisions are sort of expected
[11:10] <chrisg7ogx> testing SSDV from ORION http://ssdv.habhub.org/ORION
[11:10] <nats`> ok :)
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[11:10] <PB0NER> I'm not sure about France, but that ballon might be illegal too, that it is happening... fine
[11:10] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: could You please also import SR0FLY-1 ?
[11:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: -11 has lost GPS fix
[11:11] <gm4jtj> G4FFC hi martin
[11:11] <nats`> PB0NER by default in France everything is illegal :p
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[11:12] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, both then?
[11:12] <nats`> I'm not sure you could fart in your bed without sending a letter to Mr President :p
[11:12] <PB0NER> they should allow nuclear tests in the center of Paris :-(
[11:12] <chrisg7ogx> if you fly a balloon in France make sure you have two alcohol test kits onboard!
[11:12] <PB0NER> lol
[11:13] <nats`> true chrisg7ogx
[11:13] <eroomde_> morning all
[11:13] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, i could merge them into 1 if you wanted
[11:13] <nats`> you should see how I had problem when I wanted to test stuff with lasers
[11:13] <nats`> I gave up
[11:13] <eroomde_> jcoxon: have got a duck to roast and girlies to sauté. and giblets to use for the gravy. happy as larry
[11:13] <PB0NER> nats`: your from France?
[11:13] <eroomde_> oh golly, autocorrect again
[11:13] <nats`> yep
[11:13] <eroomde_> girolles to saute
[11:13] <adamgreig> you really shouldn't saute girlies
[11:13] <eroomde_> girolles
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[11:13] <eroomde_> mushrooms
[11:13] <adamgreig> haha
[11:13] <jcoxon> eroomde_, helen asks if she could have some
[11:14] <chrisg7ogx> fresh picked?!!!
[11:14] <nats`> eroomde stop talking about food each time you make me hundry :D
[11:14] <eroomde_> you'd be welcome to come up for dinner iuw!
[11:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: both
[11:14] <nats`> hungry
[11:14] <nats`> at least I have some good wine :D
[11:14] <chrisg7ogx> cant beat the taste of mushies in butter
[11:15] <f5vnf> ceps are bettere
[11:15] <eroomde_> nats`: me too :)
[11:15] <eroomde_> f5vnf: gotta work with whatever the market had
[11:15] <eroomde_> happened to have girolles so girlies it is
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[11:16] <nats`> girolles girly ?
[11:16] <eroomde_> nats`: i bought 2 bottles, one for dinner, one to help the chef in the preparation of dinner
[11:16] <adamgreig> why does your phone even have girlies on the dictionary
[11:17] <eroomde_> nats`: girlies gets turned into 'girlies' by the autocorrect on my ipad
[11:17] <eroomde_> i don't know
[11:17] <eroomde_> nothing i've trained in certainly...
[11:17] <PB0NER> OK, APRS in NL is NOT allowed, without a special permit
[11:17] <nats`> fuck authorities !
[11:17] <nats`> lets broadcast crap on all the band \o/
[11:17] <nats`> :D
[11:17] <eroomde_> i once emailed a seniorish governmental person about our technology with the phrase 'it also has various other nicetities' when i meant 'niceties'
[11:18] <eroomde_> which was& embarassing
[11:18] <PB0NER> you need a ATOF for that, (special experimental permit)
[11:18] <nats`> tits ?!!!
[11:18] <nats`> where
[11:18] <nats`> I wan to see nice tits !
[11:18] <daveake> My Nexus 7 has no pissue with "girolles". You bought the wrong tablet :p
[11:18] <daveake> -p
[11:18] <PB0NER> same in UK, but they are changing it to make it possible....
[11:18] <eroomde_> did you buy yours from john lewis?
[11:18] <daveake> :) no
[11:18] <nats`> PB0NER at least in NL you can have gsm testing operator ID
[11:18] <nats`> and that's fun
[11:19] <WillTablet> What was all this talk of the amateur license being changed the other day?
[11:19] <PB0NER> http://rsgb.org/main/rsgb-consultations/ofcom-consultations/licence-review-preparation/
[11:20] <PB0NER> "We intend to run further Litmus Tests on a number of subjects that come from Ofcoms presentation, such as the use of /AM for telemetry, command and control, etc for unmanned airborne platforms (balloons, small rockets, etc), Remote Station operation, licence progression, etc. These will follow later in the autumn."
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[11:20] <jcoxon> early days for that
[11:20] <mfa298> WillTablet: there's a license review for Amateur Radio about to happen so a variety of things are being discussed.
[11:20] <craag> Yeah it'll be a while before anything materialises.
[11:20] <mfa298> one of which might allow some AR from airborne - but there's nothing definite yet.
[11:20] <eroomde_> you'd have to persuade the CAA
[11:20] <WillTablet> Awesome
[11:20] <eroomde_> Ofcom have to persuade the CAA
[11:21] <PB0NER> but what if the balloon leaves UK airspace?
[11:21] <eroomde_> the RSGB would have to persuade Ofcom
[11:21] <G4MYS_Andy> And is this change of licence really required or even wanted? is the RSGB just interfering where its not wanted again?
[11:21] <eroomde_> and this 'litmus test' is to persuade the RSGB
[11:21] <eroomde_> so
[11:21] <eroomde_> don't hold your breathe
[11:21] <eroomde_> breath*
[11:21] <chrisg7ogx> Ofcom need to save money....may be to our advantage
[11:21] <jcoxon> G4MYS_Andy, thats a fair point
[11:21] <jcoxon> we've done well with what we've got
[11:21] <eroomde_> G4MYS_Andy: I think there would be support here for the /AM part, for usre
[11:21] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: it looks like some of it has come about from ofcom wanting to change some bits (or clarify their interpretation against everyone elses interpretation)
[11:22] <WillTablet> Litmus test??
[11:22] <craag> G4MYS_Andy: They have to look like they're doing 'something'
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> G4MYS_Andy, People on here have been asking the RSGB to cobsider it
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> *consider
[11:22] <chrisg7ogx> no Geoff cobsider is good!
[11:22] <mfa298> details are on http://rsgb.org/main/rsgb-consultations/ofcom-consultations/licence-review-preparation/
[11:22] <WillTablet> What's a litmus test?
[11:22] <PB0NER> again, what if you leave UK airspace... need a callsign change
[11:22] <craag> Especially as a bunch of the microwave bands are potentially going down the drain
[11:23] <jcoxon> WillTablet, a trial
[11:23] <PB0NER> PA/G*****
[11:23] <jcoxon> to test the waters
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Indeed :-(
[11:23] <PB0NER> etc.
[11:23] <craag> PB0NER: Yes, Anthony did it.
[11:23] <G4MYS_Andy> Do you really want someone running 10s of watts at a great height? whats the advantage could a ballon lift the battery weight? you boys do the transmitting!
[11:23] <jcoxon> G4MYS_Andy, a bit of HF would be nice
[11:23] <jcoxon> for a long duration flight
[11:23] <jcoxon> or some ATV etc
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Nobody is asking for lots of powwer
[11:23] <craag> PB0NER: Geo-fencing for APRS on/off and callsign prefix
[11:23] <eroomde_> G4MYS_Andy: there's a large span of options between 10mW and 10W
[11:23] <PB0NER> it is very impractical, except for a non floater...
[11:23] <G4MYS_Andy> agrred love to see HF ops could be very interesting!
[11:23] <eroomde_> we could do video and things
[11:24] <craag> Yeah 1W would be perfectly enough for a lot more!
[11:24] <mfa298> HF and some ATV are probably the real benefits to being able to use AR - probably still low power.
[11:24] <PB0NER> video on APRS?
[11:24] <chrisg7ogx> HF would bring us all together even more that would be great
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[11:24] <jcoxon> thats said HF on balloons is always anti-climatic
[11:24] <jcoxon> no one has really got it working well
[11:24] <G4MYS_Andy> love to see fast scan too but I am not up on how that could be done or if any of you have treid it!
[11:24] <chrisg7ogx> yet
[11:25] <craag> G4MYS_Andy: We're thinking about it. We reckon it could be done, just trying to find an ISM band that's within ATV receiver range.
[11:25] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Well we can't do it at present due to the license, but ATV is well represented on the bands!
[11:25] <bertrik> would you need to use the payload/balloon "rope" as the antenna for HF?
[11:25] <G4MYS_Andy> Bear in mind RSGB is a PLC just trades uner RSGB what do they gain? and is the proposal a disadvantage is my concern!
[11:26] <eroomde_> i'm not following really
[11:26] <craag> G4MYS_Andy: It would supplement the existing system we have, so there's no way it could be detrimental I think.
[11:26] <PB0NER> I'm still amazed it is so easy to let balloons go in the UK..
[11:26] <eroomde_> in as much as they are willing to represent amateurs who would like to use airborne telex, i'm happy for them to do their thing
[11:27] <G4MYS_Andy> an end feed 1/2wave with kevlar for HF aerial if the weight could be kept down!
[11:27] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: with some of the earlier talks there has been talk of potentially just having limited bands / power initailly and potentially needing a NoV / Experimental permit.
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[11:27] <nats_laptop> back from the balcony :)
[11:27] <G4MYS_Andy> excellent thank you for putting me in the "picture " so as to say!!
[11:27] <SpeedEvil> PB0NER: Only small ones
[11:28] <SpeedEvil> PB0NER: If you can enclose the balloon and payload at all times in a 2m sphere - including when the balloon expands.
[11:28] <craag> G4MYS_Andy: I'll be at the rsgb convention next week, will attempt to find out more then!
[11:28] <PB0NER> oh ok..
[11:28] <x-f> PB0NER, iirc, you in NL don't even need a permission for the regular latex launches if you stay away from airports (2 km range)
[11:28] <G4MYS_Andy> yes please I guess we all want to know so usefull comments can be made HI
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[11:29] <mikestir> I'd like to see a less onerous licensing route, more like the old RAE
[11:29] <mikestir> I was always too lazy to bother doing it years ago, and now I've got back into radio again I've been trying to get one of the local clubs to run the necessary courses for 2 years
[11:29] <mikestir> and as a professional EE it would be nice to have a route that doesn't involve soldering practice
[11:29] <tweetBot> @Project_HAB: I've been invited to launch my 1st payload at the 2013 Scout JOTA event at Youlbury in Oxford on 20th Oct. Callsign VAYU-1 #HAB #hamr #ukhas
[11:29] <tweetBot> @G0TDJ: I've been invited to launch my 1st payload at the 2013 Scout JOTA event at Youlbury in Oxford on 20th Oct. Callsign VAYU-1 #HAB #hamr #ukhas
[11:29] <PB0NER> x-f: where can I find proof of that? and I'm very sure you need to be outside a CTR
[11:30] <jcoxon> as a reminder its probably worth checking if you need to revaliadate
[11:30] <mfa298> the whole having to work through the license levels does seem to be a bit of a pain for people who want to get to a Full license quickly
[11:30] <jcoxon> just realised i had to now
[11:30] <eroomde_> mikestir: indeed, although as a student EE i got all three licenses in a month and without about 1hour of cramming to memorise the non-obvious stuff, like q-codes
[11:30] <eroomde_> so i don't think it's particularly onerous
[11:30] <mikestir> eroomde_: that's what I am intending to do, but then it's still necessary to find someone to run it
[11:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good afternoon chaps - Any word on ORION?
[11:30] <eroomde_> also I was able to just show something i'd soldered (a pcb i'd just made for tab as it happens) as evidence
[11:30] <craag> I like the Foundation step, but I think Intermediate/Advanced could be combined into one step.
[11:31] <mikestir> the wirral club doesn't run them at all because they can't be bothered
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[11:31] <craag> Yeah any previous project can be used for Intermediate.
[11:31] <mfa298> some of the practical skills that you do as part of foundation / intermediate are useful though - I hadn't really done any operating until after I passed my RAE
[11:31] <craag> We almost automatically pass EE students here at the Uni.
[11:31] <eroomde_> indeed, having to do a test on ohms law
[11:31] <eroomde_> as i recall we did foundation dn intermediate at the same time
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[11:31] <adamgreig> my intermediate example project was dubious because I'd reflowed all of it at home rather than hand soldering
[11:32] <adamgreig> but happily it had a handful of pth connectors I had hand soldered so was apparently fine
[11:32] <eroomde_> then you had to apply for advanced only once you had an intermediate license (iirc)
[11:32] <G4MYS_Andy> Witrh the old RAE anyone licenced or not could run a course, many of us did and we had gteat success, the new system is disigned to help both ythe tutor and the student problem is its been dumbed down too far, for both, more technical knowledge would be a better thing for all involed and less interferring from above about how its taught would help
[11:32] <adamgreig> on the pcb I'd designed, with all 0402 parts..
[11:32] <craag> eroomde_: yep
[11:32] <eroomde_> so that's what caused the delay on a month
[11:32] <eroomde_> of*
[11:32] <fsphil> jcoxon: no-go sadly
[11:32] <x-f> PB0NER, i got that from costyn, so you could ask the RevSpace guys, they might know more
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[11:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: Is that no go for launch?
[11:34] <fsphil> yea
[11:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, just read your announce on the list, sorry mate
[11:34] <fsphil> just too many issues, I'm fairly sure it would have failed
[11:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Fair enough. Not much point sendng it up if it fails
[11:34] <fsphil> yea
[11:35] <PB0NER> x-f: Dutch authorities are not that easy.. there is more to that
[11:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: Who's moderating the list?
[11:36] <x-f> :/
[11:37] <PB0NER> x-f: when costyn let his one go he was observed by the police or so, I was ill so could not go
[11:39] <PB0NER> dutch airspace is extremely restricted due to the small size of the country and the importance of schiphol and regional airports
[11:40] <PB0NER> http://radiomobile.pe1mew.nl/?Analysis_examples:Ground_to_Air_propagation:High_altitude_balloon
[11:40] <PB0NER> is interesting too
[11:43] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: not sure, there's more than a few
[11:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Cheers
[11:43] <craag> G0TDJ_Steve: Your email jsut came through
[11:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, spotted
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[11:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers guys :-)
[11:45] <craag> Congrats on a good float SP9UOB-Tom
[11:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: thank You :-)
[11:47] Action: SP9UOB-Tom 's email is still awaiting moderation :-(
[11:47] <craag> SP9UOB-Tom: Your announcement email has come through
[11:47] <x-f> another one? i just read one
[11:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> no this one.
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[11:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag
[11:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: thanks i've got it now
[11:48] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, both SR0FLY's have just APRS?
[11:48] <craag> :) looks like you've got no shortage of listeners at the moment though!
[11:49] <LeoBodnar> you can book advanced before sitting any other level. that's what I have done.
[11:49] <craag> LeoBodnar: Really? I wasn't aware you could, as you need a candidate number to do it..
[11:50] <PB0NER> anyone.. how well is the HAB calendar ( http://habitat.habhub.org/calendar/ ) updated.. after today there seems nothing?
[11:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> the graph is awesome :-)
[11:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/dcfafd51a458b637a94d6e71d0d83faa#g/pressure_altitude,altitude
[11:51] <mfa298> PB0NER: I believe it comes from flight docs people put in so entries are often fairly last minute
[11:52] <PB0NER> mfa298: ok seems logical..
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[11:52] <LeoBodnar> you need number to sit it but not to book it
[11:52] <PB0NER> I seem to have heard about a RPi going up this weekend
[11:53] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, thanks :) do you want me to clear the previous flight or leave it for comparison?
[11:53] <mfa298> PB0NER: I think that was part of fsphil's flight which he's cancelled
[11:53] <daveake> PB0NER That was fsphil but he's postponed for 2 weeks
[11:53] <PB0NER> but cannot find more onfo on it yes
[11:53] <PB0NER> ah that is why
[11:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: :-) Clear please :-)
[11:53] <x-f> PB0NER, have you joined the UKHAS mailing list?
[11:54] <PB0NER> x-f: negative
[11:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> pressure altitude sensing is really accurate
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[11:54] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: does your balloon have a battery for a longer distance this time?
[11:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: it should run 60+ hours
[11:55] <craag> LeoBodnar: Ah, new forms. Old one you did have to put the number in to book it. Thanks for pointing that out! :)
[11:55] <craag> And thanks to RSGB for letting us know.....
[11:55] <PB0NER> I have been tracking balloons when I was ill earlier this year, after surgery I found out that that period was wipeed from my memory
[11:55] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: okay i will go to inform some persons which are more south...
[11:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: thank You
[11:55] <PB0NER> so I am sort of resetted
[11:56] <bertrik> SP9UOB-Tom: surprised to see such a small difference between GPS and pressure altitude, which model did you use for pressure->altitude and which sensor did you use to measure pressure?
[11:56] <craag> LeoBodnar: Ah, but you need to sit the Foundation in time to get your candidate number back so you can then sit the advanced.
[11:57] <craag> Which can take 10+ days.
[11:57] <PE2G> PB0NER: memory loss caused by narcosis?
[11:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: altitude = (float)44330 * (1 - pow(((float) pressure/qnh), 0.190295));
[11:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: thats all :-)
[11:57] <PB0NER> could well be, I have a 9-month memory hole and no kid
[11:57] <LeoBodnar> craag: true
[11:58] <craag> Still, saves a few days :)
[11:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: and the sensor is mpl3115a2
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[11:58] <PE2G> PB0NER: If caused by narcosis, your memory may come back
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[12:00] <PB0NER> PE2G I know... I almost died from blood poisoning and I am not even sure if I 'stored' anything at all in that period
[12:01] <PB0NER> hmm do you need an Google account to join the list?
[12:01] <PB0NER> I do not agree to the terms...
[12:02] <PB0NER> but can read it online
[12:02] <craag> PB0NER: Well you can bookmark the page and just read it from there.
[12:03] <PB0NER> craag: just did that..
[12:03] <x-f> PB0NER, i think you can send a blank email to ukhas+subscribe@googlegroups.com
[12:05] <PB0NER> x-f oh ok.. just got tha message that you need a google account to join... but if that works..
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[12:06] <PB0NER> yeah x-f that seemed to work..
[12:07] <x-f> great
[12:07] <PB0NER> got an email with : You are now a member of the ukhas group.
[12:07] <x-f> one of us! :)
[12:08] <PB0NER> by the way, for those interested... I am experimenting with the PWM output on a RPi to generate QPSK...
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[12:09] <PB0NER> FM is allready done..
[12:10] <PB0NER> and I am modifying that to see what is possible
[12:10] <PB0NER> the original idea was to create a NICAM audio stream
[12:11] <LeoBodnar> How quiet is rpi for use in a receiver?
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[12:11] <PB0NER> depends I guess LeoBodnar on the RX freq I guess
[12:12] <PB0NER> depends I guess LeoBodnar on the RX freq
[12:13] <PB0NER> NICAM seems possible...
[12:14] <PB0NER> compressed stereo audio TX straight from a GPIO pin...
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[12:30] <Laurenceb_> interesting oscillation
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[12:32] <SpeedEvil> NICAM is only 10 bitsish though
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> (with 4 bits of exponent)
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[12:33] <LeoBodnar> temp dropped to -19C as well during the dip
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> had you planned to launch today fsphil or just test?
[12:34] <fsphil> launch ibanezmatt13
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> launching?
[12:34] <fsphil> the plan was to launch :)
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> and the plan is now not to launch? :(
[12:35] <fsphil> not today
[12:35] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[12:35] <fsphil> but soon
[12:36] <LeoBodnar> so plan is valid just time-shifterd?
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[12:36] <LeoBodnar> s/r//
[12:36] <fsphil> extreme-ISH time
[12:36] <LeoBodnar> -ish date
[12:37] <ibanezmatt13> LeoBodnar, may I ask what balloon and how much Helium B-15 has?
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[12:38] <LeoBodnar> Qualatex 36" silver foil and 0.05 cu.m Helium
[12:38] <DL1SGP> hi again
[12:39] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
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[12:41] <LeoBodnar> -21C wazzup?!
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[12:43] <Upu> colder up north :)
[12:44] <x-f> sun is lower too
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[12:45] <DL1SGP> hi paul
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[12:47] <oh1mn> So the B-15 is good on its way to Russia...
[12:47] <oh1mn> if not bursting b4...
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[12:50] <DL1SGP> oh1mn: yeap :)
[12:54] <Upu> shouldn't burst unless it climbs too high
[12:55] <LeoBodnar> -21C over Finland and almost no sunlight. B-15 decided to go into the night mode. XD
[12:55] <craag> ha!
[12:56] <oh1mn> Whats with the burst prediction moving? yep well we have some bad wx here... strong winds and typical autum rain/dark clouds.
[12:57] <Upu> still amazing coverage at such short notice
[12:57] <Upu> Leo you're almost like a global ambassador for HAMS
[12:57] <daveake> Someone should make a little video showing how the network has grown over the last couple of years or so
[12:57] <Upu> yeah
[12:57] <Maxell> The news about these floater is spreaking so quickly trough social media, madness
[12:57] <Upu> still looks a little weak in the states
[12:57] <daveake> not volunteering :)
[12:58] <daveake> and spain
[12:58] <Upu> Spain has quite a few more since your launch
[12:58] <bertrik> but many receivers usually pop online only just before a launch
[12:58] <daveake> True
[12:58] <daveake> These floaters do help - they give people time to get set up
[12:59] <Upu> also something a little interesting to do with their equipment :)
[12:59] <daveake> indeed :)
[12:59] <bertrik> maybe you could count the total number of unique receivers per week period
[13:00] <craag> bertrik: You could just render a time-lapse of all the stations as they turn up, and just don't remove them :)
[13:01] <daveake> That's what I was thinking
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[13:01] <craag> Habitat makes that easy.
[13:01] <craag> Could even put it in a page as a js animation.
[13:01] <Maxell> :o
[13:01] <jcoxon> if only we could get these floaters to go west
[13:02] <cm13g09> mfa298: if you're around, ping
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[13:02] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[13:02] <craag> Ask habitat for the listener_telemetry messages for each time-segment one by one and plot them as you go.
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[13:06] <Laurenceb_> wow Finland doesnt look too pleasant
[13:06] <Laurenceb_> like nightime in the middle of the day
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[13:07] <x-f> http://i.imgur.com/O74YMj2.png
[13:07] <Laurenceb_> wow 109
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[13:08] <oh1mn> :) just sent an email to OH hams mailinglist so if we could get more rxers in east Finland... if it doesnt burst soon.
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[13:11] <DL1SGP> oh1mn: it is unlikely to burst :)
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[13:11] <DL1SGP> unless the finnish air force uses it as a training target :)
[13:12] <LeoBodnar> lol Upu I need to get a callsign I think
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[13:13] <PE2G> How about Russia? Any receivers there in the past?
[13:14] <LeoBodnar> Mostly down south
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[13:15] <Upu> yep
[13:15] <Upu> when is your full exam LeoBodnar ?
[13:15] <Upu> you can get one now
[13:15] <Upu> just a 2E0 one
[13:16] <LeoBodnar> next sunday
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[13:16] <LeoBodnar> do you have one account on QRZ.com or have to get a new one when callsign changes/added
[13:17] <gonzo___> any news on phils launch?
[13:17] <Upu> you start an account
[13:17] <Upu> and then you tie in other call signs to it
[13:17] <Upu> my login is M6UPU on qrz.com
[13:18] <G0CXW> gonzo phils not launching
[13:19] <OH1MN_> There are more of these floatters coming? Any site to check or mailinglist to rx?
[13:19] <Upu> there is a mailing list
[13:20] <Upu> but Leo likes to launch first mail later :)
[13:20] <DL1SGP> there is a mailinglist... http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[13:20] <Upu> they go all over Europe this is the first one to make it to Finland
[13:20] <OH1MN_> thanks
[13:21] <gonzo___> G0CXW, did he say why?
[13:21] <x-f> didn't one of jcoxon's land there last year?
[13:21] <jcoxon> x-f, it got to sweden
[13:21] <jcoxon> then we lost contact
[13:21] <OH1MN_> RRR just the news about this one came early this morning to our OH ham mailinglist...
[13:22] <Upu> we didn't quite have this level of coverage then :)
[13:22] <LeoBodnar> If we know there are potential receivers anywhere we can send there balloons on purpose :D
[13:22] <Upu> I have a pico sat here ready to fly
[13:22] <jcoxon> yes, as the winter comes you'll find floaters will go that way more often
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EorMrpM6q9Q
[13:22] <x-f> jcoxon, you were a pioneer :)
[13:22] <jcoxon> x-f, well someone had to do it
[13:22] <Upu> my ALCDICDAW6ML (Anything Leo can do I can do as well 6 months lateR)
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[13:24] <G0CXW> gonzo something about getting Gizmo wet
[13:24] <Laurenceb_> that guy needs to get a job on tv
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[13:28] <craag> Or I would be able to do this map in js, if habitat allowed cross-origin ajax :/
[13:28] <PB0NER> haha lol that is what I did once with a turbo from a lorry... did not dare to try it inside though
[13:28] <adamgreig> do we still not
[13:28] <adamgreig> sorry
[13:28] <adamgreig> there are workarounds
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[13:29] <adamgreig> a) you can run an http reverse proxy on your domain for /habitat to habitat.habhub.org/habitat (should be easy with nginx/apache/etc)
[13:29] <adamgreig> or you're welcome to host the js on habhub
[13:29] <craag> adamgreig: Yep, I think I have a reverse-proxy still set up somewhere.
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[13:37] <Laurenceb_> is hysplit down?
[13:37] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> Seems likely.
[13:37] Action: SP9UOB-Tom need receivers in Hungary, and far on south
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> doh
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> (I've not got any idea)
[13:37] <SpeedEvil> But the recent news...
[13:37] <Laurenceb_> wonder if the predictor is down too
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> ah looks like they are still running model predictions
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> 6am run is on the predictor
[13:39] <x-f> Laurenceb_, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajsrc.pl
[13:39] <SpeedEvil> I guess actually stopping the model is something they don't want to do lightly
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> haha
[13:39] <Laurenceb_> nice
[13:40] <Laurenceb_> as slashdot were saying - its a PR gesture
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[13:40] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:40] <Laurenceb_> presumably everything is automated and scripted for the model prediction as well
[13:41] <Laurenceb_> servers are all still running
[13:41] <LeoBodnar> INstead of shutting down NOAA particle flow prediction the could have predicted particles plotting rude sentences on the map
[13:41] <Laurenceb_> i bet
[13:41] <Laurenceb_> heh
[13:43] <G8APZ> Hi Leo, Looks as if latest flight will go into unlisted territory soon :-(
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[13:43] <LeoBodnar> Maybe it will spring up with receivers too!?
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[13:44] <G8APZ> Could do with a copy of FLdigi running on ISS !
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPZ7sx3EwUY
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> On an unrelated matter.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> The Leidenfrost maze.
[13:44] <SpeedEvil> WAter flowing uphill
[13:44] <G8APZ> Leo, hard call to recruit Russian hams... no lines of contact.
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[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/index.php?ind=2
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[13:54] <PE2G> http://www.cqham.ru/forum/forum.php
[13:55] <Upu> if only someone spoke Russian...
[13:55] <G8APZ> How about Google Translate?
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[13:55] <Upu> How about LeoBodnar :)
[13:57] <G8APZ> Some of the OH hams may have contacts near OH on the Russian side...
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[13:57] <G8APZ> It needs to be a "pass it on" message!
[13:57] <LeoBodnar> I'll see if there are any sections there where I can post
[13:58] <Upu> grab yourself a call sign before you start :)
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[14:05] <G0CXW> UA1ASB is on the tracker he might speak Russian
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[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just a thought would it be worth while updating the Info area on snus witha link to the Wiki beginers tracking link ?
[14:09] <G8APZ> CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ ====== UA1ASB Are you reading this? ===============
[14:09] <G8APZ> Excellent idea Geoff
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[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, YAY Finland
[14:18] <Lunar_Lander> the country in which HAB began in 1967
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[14:20] <daveake> Finland! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmBlUb2dcsk
[14:23] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[14:32] <tweetBot> @PD3EM: @R5ACQ Do you have friends North of you that can help track an #UKHAS High Altitude Balloon? See http://t.co/pyLKTB4bVK
[14:32] <S_Mark> Hello Anyone know of anyone who works at SCISYS in Bristol?
[14:33] <Lunar_Lander> evening S_Mark
[14:33] <S_Mark> Afternoon Lunar_Lander
[14:34] <tweetBot> @PD3EM: @RA1AMW Do you have friends Northeast of you that can help track an #UKHAS High Altitude Balloon? See http://t.co/pyLKTB4bVK
[14:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[14:39] <craag> A rough page: http://www.philcrump.co.uk/ukhas_listeners/
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> Does anybody here use flux pens when soldering?
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> For SMD yes wouldn't be without
[14:39] <ibanezmatt13> would you recommend any particular one?
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> Do you use a flux pen instead of flux paste or do you sometimes use both? I was thinking which I should get, or both if necessary
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've not used many different types as this one ;Electrolube SMF12P probaly from Farnell
[14:41] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks, that brand was mentioned on EEVBlog
[14:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://uk.farnell.com/electrolube/smf12p/flux-pen-12ml/dp/891186?Ntt=smf12p
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> just works fine for me
[14:42] <ibanezmatt13> thanks, I'll invest in that. So flux paste is not something I'd need on top of the pen?
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[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> If possible I use solder paste, BUT it doesn't last long in storage so unless you do a lot of work most of it will dry out :-(
[14:43] <ibanezmatt13> ah, I won't be doing a lot
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> but it does make life a lot easier, I only really use the Pen when hand soldering uisng fine solder which never seems to have sufficent flux in it
[14:43] <LeoBodnar> cool craag !
[14:44] <ibanezmatt13> ah, so I should get both then while I'm a novice
[14:44] <ibanezmatt13> is there any particular solder paste that works well?
[14:44] <ibanezmatt13> flux paste
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[14:45] <mfa298> that's an impressive map craag
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> for the very smallest parts its easier to use paste but its not cheap again I use Eectrolube SMSP10SL
[14:46] <ibanezmatt13> hmm, yeah it's a bit much considering I'm only making one board for a while
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> craag: damn
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its well worth laying your hands on almost any old PC board and just removing and then cleaning and remounting SMD components to get the feel before experimenting on a real board!
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[14:47] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE, I actually tried that. I used solder wick to remove solder on a two pin header; couldn't even get that off!
[14:47] <Laurenceb_> looks like He loss
[14:47] <craag> THat's a lot of dl-fldigi installs!
[14:48] <Laurenceb_> did you use 4g free lift?
[14:48] <ibanezmatt13> Geoff-G8DHE, is it possible to remove components without hot air guns?
[14:48] <LeoBodnar> Looks like icing to me
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[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will need a variety of tools a GOOD solder sucker, for thru hole, and a range of solder wick sizes to clean off pads and holes etc.
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> you can see it has been accumulating all day
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> and tipped over at 8000m
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> yeah, 3.3g
[14:49] <ibanezmatt13> solder sucker? sounds interesting
[14:49] <Upu> I don't bother with those
[14:50] <Upu> just apply more solder
[14:50] <Upu> and use braid
[14:50] <Upu> drag it out of the holes
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've just been replacing Elec. Caps. in an old radio and its suprising how quickly the skills build up again as I haven't done much SMD work for a while now!
[14:50] <Upu> oh B-15 coming down ?
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> each person finds it different I find!
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> Flux Coated Copper braid?
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> solder wick
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> is flux coated the way to go?
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> I guess it gets the solder up better
[14:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Try both out I have several reels of wick on the bench as well as the sucker
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> I only just discovered that the thickness of the solder is important with SMD soldering :P
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> I've been using 0.8mm
[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh much thinner you want
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> So I'm gonna get some 0.46mm
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mine is 0.5mm
[14:55] <ibanezmatt13> I'm also just wondering what thickness of solder wick to get. Not sure how much that matters but
[14:55] <ibanezmatt13> They have 1.5mm, 2.2mm, 2.59mm etc
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need thin to get in between components and also wider for where it will fit and you have more solder to clear out
[14:56] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I've got some 0.8mm at home. It's tricky to work with but good for small spaces. I think I could do with some 1.5mm for when I really do botch something up
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[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Most frequently use 3S-WICK size AA (2) but also BGA 60-BGA-5
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> Quite pricey all this stuff. Not sure whether that's just Farnell though
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[15:01] <HA6NN> Hello all! I am receiving SP9UOB balloon. How can I write my callsign onto map?
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[15:02] <DL7AD> HA6NN: good evening! :) second. im looking for a screenshot
[15:02] <ramm25> HA6NN, you car write telemetry right here
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> don't you just love it when you fire something up - webcam - and the system bluescreens :-(
[15:03] <DL1SGP> moin sven
[15:03] <DL7AD> HA6NN: http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:selectclient.jpeg?id=guides%3Atracking_guide click configure => then click on "Operator"-tab
[15:03] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: moin moin+
[15:03] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: moin moin
[15:04] <DL7AD> HA6NN: this is the full guide with screenshots: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#computer
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup you will need different sizes of both wick and solder depending on what has to be handled.
[15:06] <ibanezmatt13> thanks for the advice Geoff-G8DHE
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[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you ever find a local Radio Club ? If you did then worth asking there and asking if you can try out various methods/tools/sizes etc.
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[15:09] <ibanezmatt13> Nah, I didn't. To be honest, I'm not overly-interested in the radio side of things
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Understand, but other than a local hacking place there the next best thing!
[15:11] <ibanezmatt13> I imagine so. I think I'll just stick to watching videos for now. I think I've gained enough knowledge recently to give it a good go
[15:11] <ibanezmatt13> Anyway, gotta run - train to catch. See you :)
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[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just a thought if your at a college ask the technicians.
[15:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> CUL
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[15:13] <Willdude123> Can Private Pilots use mobile phones at their own discretion?
[15:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only if they want to be cut off the network for accessing too many base stations at the same time!
[15:15] <Willdude123> Wasn't someone saying on the list they were going to fly around to see if they could Rx a paylaod?
[15:15] <Willdude123> How are they getting interwebs?
[15:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: hi :-)
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> DL7AD was but he didn't in the end I gather.
[15:17] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE-M: hm...?
[15:17] <fsphil> oh man, B-15's coming down?
[15:18] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE-M: what was the question?
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> How where you planning on linking data back to the internet, over here in the UK there is a limit on the number of base stations that
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> cuts you off if you access to many simulaneously.
[15:20] <DL7AD> Geoff-G8DHE-M: i can use my phone in the airplane. i have already talked on phone on 3000ft. but with altitude its getting difficult to get conact. but i dont know the reason for it.
[15:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> fsphil: looks like helium leak
[15:21] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: i vote for ice
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[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah, I know a while back it used to cause problems in the hand-off procedure between the bases, the protocol implementations fell over after about 8 bases were involved!
[15:21] <HA6NN> DL7AD: Thanks for info!
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Anyone flying used to access a lot more than this
[15:21] <DL7AD> HA6NN: no problem ;)
[15:22] <HA6NN> Just now: SP9UOB JN99FD alt 7042 m
[15:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: Thank You - please install dl-fldigi and upload telemetry to the map
[15:23] <DL7AD> does anyone know how we could get closer to B-15?
[15:23] <HA6NN> How to upload it?
[15:23] Action: SP9UOB-Tom knew that transmitting CW ID is a good idea. Allmost all hams can decode morse :-)
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[15:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: just download and install dl-fldigi and go trougt the guide: http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[15:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: here is direct link to the software http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows.exe
[15:25] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: does B-15 make morse?
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[15:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: i dont think so - ask Leo :-)
[15:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: my tracker is transmitting every 3 minutes callsign, QTH locator and altitude
[15:26] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: i asked him to implement it... but i think he did it not
[15:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> via morse
[15:26] <DL7AD> thats cool!
[15:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> so it is possible to track even with no computer at all :-)
[15:27] <DL7AD> yep!
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[15:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm B-15 50/50 Trees or Water ?
[15:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> But its quite a slow descent http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/B-15_201310051632.jpg
[15:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP9UOB-Tom: I love your Morse idea
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[15:34] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: :-) nice to hear it. We need "upload" page on tracker :-) Just to put callsign, locator and altitude
[15:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP9UOB-Tom: Are the morse characters sent under interrupt?
[15:35] <DL1SGP> G0TDJ_Steve: I hope that it will make use of the predicted over 0c temperature in the area and defrost before meeting trees :)
[15:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: yes, also RTTY, WSPR and DOMINO are sent trough interrupt routine :-)
[15:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'd like to see your code sometime :-)
[15:37] <OH2FQV> GE Gents. Anyone of the B-15 balloon team in here?
[15:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: You're presence is required :-)
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> OH2FQV, yes
[15:37] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, visitor!
[15:38] <DL1SGP> GFS Temperature prediction for the area B-15 is currently in: http://abload.de/img/gfs_temptts02.png
[15:38] <OH2FQV> I follow several hours of the flight, so I have some data of that if needed. I lost connection 15:13 utc
[15:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> OH2FQV: Stick around for a while. LeoBodnar is who you need to speak to.
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> How do you have the data OH2FQV ?
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[15:40] <OH2FQV> Good, thank you of info. I'll be here. Geoff, I took it from my radio and stored to computer
[15:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> So its saved as Text ?
[15:40] <OH2FQV> Saved audio samples and text, some screen captures aswell
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK, Some of the guys who have system access to the Tracker page may be able to load it in as well to the db.
[15:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: here is last recording: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/morseid-cut.wav
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> Hello
[15:41] <OH2FQV> There is now OH6UW whos still hearing the balloon.
[15:42] <OH2FQV> Hello LeoBodnar, did I understood right, you're one of B-15 team?
[15:42] <Upu> he is the B-15 team :)
[15:43] <Upu> Does OH6UW have any telemetry ?
[15:43] <Upu> oh he's uploading
[15:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: You are on the map. Congratulations!
[15:43] <DL1SGP> OH6UW is reporting to snus
[15:43] <OH2FQV> Ah, I may be a bit slow after sitting too long for this interresting flight.
[15:43] <Upu> Finland has done a great job
[15:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP9UOB-Tom: That is awesome :D
[15:44] <Upu> I suspect B-15 is going to land somewhere remote though
[15:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: thank You :-)
[15:44] <OH2FQV> If theres any use for audio samples, data of few screen captures at Finnish aerospace, I can send such data.
[15:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> So good to hear CW used
[15:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> G0TDJ_Steve: 2.5 km grid accurancy is better than nothing :-)
[15:45] <Upu> OH2FQV If you've uploaded the telemetry we are good, thanks for taking the time to listen its really appreciated
[15:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep
[15:46] <OH2FQV> Balloon is heading to Joensuu city, but on the path, theres big lakes. But if the balloon lands on land, theres at least moderate chances to get it returned
[15:46] <Upu> hopefully people can send more your way
[15:46] <Upu> well I don't think Leo expects to get them back
[15:46] <Upu> though it wouldn't be the first time one was recovered from somewhere remote
[15:46] Action: SP9UOB-Tom really need Southern Europe to help tracking :-)
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[15:46] <LeoBodnar> Hi OH2FQV yes, I am the team :)
[15:47] <DL7AD> no but probably its good to know where it is :)
[15:47] <Upu> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/Pages/1.html
[15:47] <Upu> thats what you've been listening too
[15:47] <OH2FQV> Upu, I upload telemetry for some, uh.... 5 hours? From Aland island till Varkaus area, where it is still is
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[15:47] <Upu> yup I can see on the stats
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> Hi OH2FQV could you please send them to my email leo@leobodnar.com ?
[15:47] <DL1SGP> maybe DL7AD has a floatplane somewhere so we can retrieve leo's floating floater :)
[15:48] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: yes remotly :P
[15:48] <Upu> 132 lines OH2FQV
[15:48] <Upu> its a good job you aren't posting QSL cards out Leo :)
[15:48] <OH2FQV> All of the data? or something more specific?
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[15:49] <DL1SGP> Leo should design a digital participation certificate for each flight :) that would make a cool wallpaper once printed out
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> Screenshot, if you have run dl-fldigi and seen yourself on the map then all your uploads are stored in the database :D
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> *screenshots, kiitos!
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> I probably need to get some made Upu :)
[15:50] <OH2FQV> I'l send screenshots right away. More than my pleasure. Thank you of giving boost for my day! :)
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0Q0v7H_9Q - this looks kinda worrying - quadcopter lifting 22kg
[15:51] <Hiena> Why?
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> I find the swinging scary - especially not knowing all the control laws. Seems way easy to get it going sideways
[15:51] <DL1SGP> it could lift a small child!
[15:51] <LeoBodnar> Hehe there will be more going your way I think
[15:51] <DL1SGP> that gives me ideas about neighbors
[15:52] <G8APZ> Leo, is the -0.6 to -0.7 m/s descent a worry?
[15:52] <Hiena> Some chap, already done multicopter lifting a human.
[15:52] <OH2FQV> LeoBodnar - email with 4 captures sent
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> Hiena: The dynamics of a swinging payload is considerably more fun
[15:52] <G8APZ> Swinging? Dodgy!
[15:53] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: you balloon does wprs?
[15:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: not this one
[15:54] <UA1ASB> ....
[15:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> Rebounder: I have ready 21 MHz payload - dominoEX / CW / WSPR waiting for good weather
[15:54] <UA1ASB> can not hear b-15
[15:55] <G8APZ> UA5ASB Can you hear B-15 ? You may hear it even though map shows not.
[15:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> UA1ASB, Its a bit out of your range I think at present
[15:55] <G8APZ> OK!! answer before I asked!!
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> THank you OH2FQV for emails and tracking!
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[15:55] <Lunar_Lander> hej Rebounder :)
[15:55] <DL1SGP> hi UA1ASB it is a bit out of your range, thanks for listening out for it
[15:55] <G8APZ> UA1ASB Do you have some friends in Russia who could help track?
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[15:56] <OH2FQV> Leo, is it possible to ask details of techniques of the balloon electonics at near future?
[15:57] <DL1SGP> OH2FQV: also see http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/
[15:57] <UA1ASB> I invite my friends
[15:57] <G8APZ> G8DHE Geoff, as F1VJQ, I was able to hear a high altitude ascent at 32,000m at >700km, even though the line of sight circle was 100km north of me...
[15:57] <LeoBodnar> yes sure
[15:59] <OH2FQV> Leo, awesome! Thank you. much more photos needed and all secrets to be revealed ;)
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[16:01] <LeoBodnar> lol ok
[16:01] <OH2FQV> As the system is SO small, it may be a bit tricky to find it. Sun set here 20 minutes ago, but if other hams gets on it tomorrow, it may be find. Any estimation what size the balloon may be after depeted?
[16:02] <Rebounder> SP9UOB-Tom: cool
[16:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> HA6NN: You are on the map. Dou You decoding telemetry ?
[16:03] <DL1SGP> it is a 36" foil balloon and would not get much smaller than that OH2FQV
[16:05] <DL1SGP> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Thumbnails/7.jpg
[16:05] <DL1SGP> erm
[16:05] <DL1SGP> http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Images/7.jpg
[16:05] <DL1SGP> :)
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> g8apz, Indeed with the greater height the accuracy of the circles is a lot less due to all sorts of processes.
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[16:06] <DL7AD> OH7BD appeared on the map
[16:06] <G8APZ> G8DHE I had a 9 ele yagi which helped, but over +20dB over noise
[16:07] <OH2FQV> DL1SGP, thank you of the info. Here at Finnish ham forum is little fuzz about the system - abt its construction and recovering it. But if it is SO small, unless if it keeps transmitting till tomorrow afternoon, its recovery is 50/50. Area where it seem sto go down is thick forrest
[16:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> OH7BD is nicely placed!
[16:08] <LeoBodnar> It should keep transmitting and if you get it you are welcome to keep it as a souvenir OH2FQV :)
[16:08] <DL1SGP> OH2FQV: a recovery of the system formally is not required, if you feel like doing some micro fox hunting though this could be a fine occasion to get out into nature. However take no risks, Leo does not need it back
[16:09] <G8APZ> ...and recovery may lead to another flight!!!
[16:10] <LeoBodnar> OH2FQV: If you go through these links there are some pictures of what you are looking for http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[16:10] <DL1SGP> if you find it you can back-engineer it :) and start it yourself at later time hehe
[16:10] <G8APZ> ...from OH when the wind is SW!
[16:10] <OH2FQV> Distance is killer for me. I lost data when balloon was 200km away at 5672m altitude. As badly as I might wish to have this, I guess I need to let bigger boys to go to the resque mission
[16:10] <LeoBodnar> :D
[16:11] <craag> Better version of the map time-lapse: http://www.philcrump.co.uk/ukhas_listeners/
[16:11] <HA6NN> SP9UOB: Yes I do. Signal is not always strong enough. Waiting for the approaching ballon...
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Should we have a "Trackers Rembrance Day" for all those stations lost at sea ?
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> some with attics and 20 el yagis
[16:13] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Perhaps organise a local conference for all those off the west coast of africa ;)
[16:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed, so many things located at 0,0 it must be a gold mine of information!
[16:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: COOL !
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh and you can click them all!
[16:14] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Yep.. hmm perhaps will add the date of first appearance to the popup.
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[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> That would be noice!
[16:15] <G8APZ> G8DHE All those wet squares!!
[16:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: hello :-)
[16:16] <tjanos> Tomasz, good afternoon!
[16:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: do You know someone on southern part of HA ?
[16:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: turn Your receiver on :-)
[16:17] <Willdude123> DL7AD, is it not illegal to use the phone while flying?
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[16:17] <tjanos> In this moment dont know anybody to activate...
[16:17] <tjanos> I will consult my collegues
[16:18] <tjanos> Maybe you know apoperaed them at the nort border of Hungary:
[16:18] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Done. Refresh to see.
[16:18] <tjanos> Andras, HA6NN, Laci, HA2ECM
[16:18] <tjanos> They receive your ballon!
[16:18] <OH2FQV> Leo, photos are magnificient, thank you! Now I need to ask something to get mind peace to have sleeps tonight: What is B-15 tx power? approx?
[16:19] <G8APZ> Aha... OH7BD tracking.... should enable it to be tracked a while yet!
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> 10mW
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes spotted already!
[16:19] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: yes i know :-)
[16:19] <LeoBodnar> The battery is 190mAh LiPo
[16:20] Action: G0TDJ_Steve is loving the international feeling in #highaltitude today :-)
[16:20] <tjanos> It seems your ballon flight direct to Hungary. It is in good altitude.
[16:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: its horizontal speed is rather poor, but it will reach Hungary :-)
[16:21] <tjanos> seems the direction of the wind at high is good
[16:21] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, any idea why b-15 is decending
[16:21] <Hiena> And my tuner card just gave up. Perfect timing..
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> Most probably icing jcoxon, there were rainclouds up to 8000m it seems
[16:22] <tjanos> what we can hope after sunset?
[16:23] <OH2FQV> Leo, thanks of your kind answers. Techno geek (me) is about to burst of excitement of this flight. 10mW, polarization difference and 200km distance. Not bad... Darn, this was better than amusement park! :)
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Need a weather report from OH7BD
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> YOu can see ice accumulating at the top of 8000m flight altitude until it tipped the buoyancy over zero
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> YOu are so easy to please Jari lol
[16:24] <G8APZ> Getting warmer ..now -4 outside!
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[16:24] <Darkside> lol we can hear ourselvs on the netherlands websdr
[16:24] <Darkside> baha
[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, You must get a pictyre of yourself releasing a flight!
[16:24] <Darkside> anyone in th eUK want to work us?
[16:24] <Darkside> 14218
[16:25] <Darkside> you might ned some power to get over the other european racket
[16:25] <PE9PE-Rob> OH7JG is on the map located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and Greenland :)
[16:26] <DL1SGP> heh Darkside
[16:26] <Darkside> DL1SGP: got HF?
[16:26] <Darkside> :P
[16:26] <DL1SGP> sure :)
[16:26] <Darkside> we might hav workd you
[16:26] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: it's very un-dramatic
[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah he's West rather than East!
[16:26] <Darkside> you can try and get ovr th epilup on 14218
[16:26] <Darkside> which is where our operator currently is
[16:26] <Darkside> you might have trouble
[16:27] <Darkside> so many stations
[16:27] <DL1SGP> what is your contest operations callsign
[16:27] <Darkside> vk5arg
[16:27] <Darkside> just listen for him
[16:27] <Darkside> you should hear him
[16:28] <G8APZ> B-15 flying less than 2km from OH7BD ..... a large torch may spot it hihi
[16:28] <Darkside> we're doing a ... lot of power
[16:28] <OH2FQV> Leo - heh! I got alert at this morning " you know of that balloon?" What balloon? And rest can be seen from the log.... This was better than satellite working!
[16:28] <oh2lre> http://websdr.comms.net.au:8901/ cant hear vk5arg
[16:28] <DL1SGP> lol 2kW ?
[16:28] <Darkside> DL1SGP: no
[16:28] <Darkside> oh2lre: youw ont
[16:28] <Darkside> too close
[16:28] <oh2lre> roger
[16:28] <Darkside> listen on the netherlands on :-)
[16:28] <Darkside> thats where the beam is pointing
[16:28] <Darkside> give a number lawl
[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, You mean its just like this http://360.g8dhe.net\HAB_Flights\markers\balloon-rob.png
[16:29] <LeoBodnar> Lol so cool OH2FQV ! I love the buzz it created :)
[16:29] <Darkside> just be aware id you're going to call in, you need to give a contest exchange
[16:29] <Darkside> DL1SGP: 400W PEP as per the australian legal limit
[16:29] <Darkside> disrgard the ALpha 9500 in th corner
[16:30] <G8APZ> Darkside That'll be 59 on HF surely!!
[16:30] <Darkside> G8APZ: it is into the netherlands
[16:30] <Darkside> on the websdr
[16:30] <LeoBodnar> somebody posted a link to automatic sonde launcher - the best bit was somebody saying "is that it?! I want a replay!"
[16:30] <Darkside> LeoBodnar: yep that was from our group
[16:31] <Darkside> so anyone going to try and work our station?
[16:32] <DL1SGP> listening in
[16:33] <Darkside> 40m station firing up
[16:33] <Darkside> going to lose net
[16:33] <Darkside> as it kils the 3g
[16:33] <DL1SGP> got a bunch of QRM so it is a bit tricky to hear your operator properly
[16:33] <Darkside> yeah
[16:33] <Darkside> heaps of activity
[16:34] <Darkside> so i may drop out at any moment
[16:34] <Darkside> DL1SGP: have a go working him
[16:35] <tjanos> LeoBodnar: maybe this is your link: http://vimeo.com/19862362
[16:35] <DL1SGP> through the italians and russians... unlikely, I only got 100W here
[16:35] <Darkside> give it a go
[16:36] <DL1SGP> makes no sense I hardly can hear him, so I won't occupy anything and let him work more stations that can pick him up a bit better
[16:36] <Darkside> heh ok
[16:36] <LeoBodnar> that's the one!
[16:36] <Darkside> np
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[16:38] <DL1SGP> keeping an ear on the operations Darkside, if the sig gets any better and the QRM less I gonna give it a try
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[16:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm B-15 looking to land on the runway do we think ?
[16:42] <tjanos> LeoBodnar: If the Vaisala container is too expensive, we can ask some chinaise people help us; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv6uVfVdJ1g
[16:42] <LeoBodnar> OH7DB details, nice gear and location http://www.kolumbus.fi/artkop/
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[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground level temp not so bad http://www.yr.no/place/Finland/Eastern_Finland/Joensuu/hour_by_hour.html
[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> if B-15 has iced up might it float again.....
[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.yr.no/place/Finland/Eastern_Finland/Joensuu/hour_by_hour_detailed.html
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[16:47] <LeoBodnar> We'll check it out if Arto OH7DB will keep track
[16:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah B-15 has a good atse for food perhaps, my type of image, just under the flight path http://www.360cities.net/image/elokuvakyla2-out?utm_source=google_earth&utm_medium=all_images
[16:53] <OH2FQV> It looks like the balloon is heading to habitated area, theres now abt 100km to finnish border
[16:53] <OH2FQV> Its finnish agricultural area for oncoming 50 km.
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lets hope B-15 doesn't getthis sort of welcome ;-) http://www.360cities.net/image/kuvanjuoksu-valokuvauskilpailu3?utm_source=google_earth&utm_medium=all_images
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[16:57] <PE2G> The Jokioinen 12Z sounding shows the 0 C level at ~3100 m.
[16:59] <PE2G> + 4.8 C at 2173 meter
[16:59] <iain_G4SGX> Darkside: Lots of peeps here saying 40M is very lively to VK at the moment, strong sigs.
[17:02] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, i like the speed of your balloon, 10 km/h :)
[17:03] <x-f> and even lower
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[17:05] <PB0NER> I have the email address of ua1asb...
[17:05] <PB0NER> g8apz, pin, ping
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[17:06] <PB0NER> G8APZ: ping
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[17:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: :-)
[17:08] <LeoBodnar> OH7JG appeared but with wrong GPS coordinates
[17:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: it gives me time to organize more listeners
[17:10] <PE2G> Between 1229 m and 1458 m, temp is around +8.5 C and RELH <10%
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[17:11] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, it looks like you're safe for the next 24 hours, it should stay in Slovakia or maybe Hungary - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/1885_trj001.gif
[17:13] <LeoBodnar> That's better
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> Which side of the border then?
[17:19] <PB0NER> >@>3>9 5>=84,
[17:19] <PB0NER> / 459AB28B5;L=> =045NAL, GB> K <>65B5 ?@>G8B0BL MB>.
[17:19] <PB0NER> K 8I5< 1>;LH5 H?8>=>2 2 >AA88 4;O 2>74CH=>3> H0@0 B-15, 8 <K =0455<AO, GB> K <>65B5 ?><>GL!
[17:19] <PB0NER> <>65B5 K, ?>60;C9AB0 ?>A5B8B5: http: //webchat.freenode.net/?channels=highaltitude, :>B>@K9 O2;O5BAO :0=0;>< G0B0.
[17:19] <PB0NER> 73 PB0NER de Martijn
[17:20] <PB0NER> (my message to ua1asb via email)
[17:20] <PB0NER> with a request to round up russian HAms and for him to visit this channel
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> Haha PB0NER did you mean to say "we are looking for more spies in Russua?"
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> lol
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> *Russia
[17:20] <PB0NER> my russian is rusty
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> Haha but this was so cool! lol
[17:21] <G8APZ> PB0NER: Well done! Sorry I was away from computer....
[17:21] <PB0NER> no problemo
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> \o/
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[17:22] <PB0NER> I had to learn to understand russian for my job 20 years ago
[17:23] <PB0NER> problem is... that part of russia is not very dense populated
[17:23] <LeoBodnar> I'd love to see dl-fldigi sending S/N details with telemetry string upload
[17:24] <LeoBodnar> Well you have done very well PB0NER ! I thought it was Google translation
[17:24] <G8APZ> H?8>=>2 = spies!!!
[17:24] <G8APZ> Leo That would be most useful ...
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[17:25] <G8APZ> OH7JG now tracking...
[17:25] <PB0NER> militairy background, not a huge vocabulairy
[17:26] <PB0NER> wrote the same in english in the same message
[17:26] <PB0NER> anyway's it might help
[17:27] <G8APZ> It will help to get people monitoring for sure
[17:27] <PB0NER> I did send him ua1asb that message via email..
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[17:28] <PB0NER> oh bad sentence
[17:28] <PB0NER> grrr... I on skype speaking German at the moment...
[17:30] <DL1SGP> poor PB0NER
[17:30] <DL1SGP> :)
[17:33] <LeoBodnar> lol PB0NER take it easy, we are only humans! :D
[17:33] <PB0NER> yeah an xyl is moaning in Dutch
[17:33] <PB0NER> Ni Hao!
[17:34] Action: SP9UOB-Tom has 6 km/h horizontal speed - no wind at all :-)
[17:36] <PB0NER> damn we will have French fries for dinner
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[17:39] <G8APZ> Leo - Looks as if you'll sneak under the radar!!
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[17:40] <G8APZ> Aargh.... -0.9 m/s
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[17:44] <LeoBodnar> hah it is difficult to explain why balloon tries to descend from 8000m to 1000m at the border crossing lol
[17:44] <oh7bd> Perhaps no need to go to search...
[17:45] <PB0NER> needs to show passport @crossing?
[17:45] <oh7bd> would need a visa
[17:45] <LeoBodnar> We don't know yet oh7bd :D
[17:45] <PB0NER> and a technology export certificate
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> ik kan ook een beetje nederlands spreken
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:46] <PB0NER> Lunar_Lander: oh
[17:46] <LeoBodnar> Thank you for tracking Arto!
[17:46] <oh7bd> my pleasure
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> (hope that was correct at all :P)
[17:47] <LeoBodnar> is it raining at the moment near you?
[17:47] <iain_G4SGX> Probably going to float through customs at eye level !
[17:47] <PB0NER> nothing wrong
[17:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not a good idea the conformal coating is hiding things ;-)
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> haha
[17:48] <oh7bd> No rain. Chilly +9C
[17:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The ground is about 150-180m in the area
[17:50] <LeoBodnar> OK thanks
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[17:51] <G8APZ> At this rate it could be down in 10 minutes
[17:51] <G8APZ> UA1ASB Welcome....
[17:51] <UA1ASB> Hi
[17:52] <UA1ASB> B-15 fly to Karelia :)
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[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi UA1ASB
[17:54] <UA1ASB> hi
[17:54] <PB0NER> Hi UA1ASB!, you got my email?
[17:54] <UA1ASB> twit?
[17:55] <oh7bd> my rx gets weak
[17:55] <UA1ASB> mailto:ua1asb@gmail.com
[17:55] <PB0NER> oh I mailed you @mail.ru
[17:56] <PB0NER> >@>3>9 5>=84,
[17:56] <PB0NER> / 459AB28B5;L=> =045NAL, GB> K <>65B5 ?@>G8B0BL MB>.
[17:56] <PB0NER> K 8I5< 1>;LH5 H?8>=>2 2 >AA88 4;O 2>74CH=>3> H0@0 B-15, 8 <K =0455<AO, GB> K <>65B5 ?><>GL!
[17:56] <PB0NER> <>65B5 K, ?>60;C9AB0 ?>A5B8B5: http: //webchat.freenode.net/?channels=highaltitude, :>B>@K9 O2;O5BAO :0=0;>< G0B0.
[17:56] <PB0NER> 73 PB0NER de Martijn
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[17:57] <PB0NER> (sorry for reposting that message to all others)
[17:58] <tr0lli> copied the beacon fine when mobile, but did not have time to rig my pc
[17:58] <PB0NER> I'm off for a bit... Dinner time
[17:58] <UA1ASB> :) not spy (H?8>=) there is SWL :)))
[17:59] <G8APZ> UA1ASB Yes! He means "listener"
[17:59] <PB0NER> I know... my last lesson in russian was over 20 years ago... not to speak or write but to listen into the comms of your navy
[18:00] <G8APZ> Altitude: 669 m Rate: 0.0 m/s perhaps will survive.
[18:00] <PB0NER> I'll be back after dinner
[18:00] <G8APZ> Bonne appetit
[18:00] <PB0NER> merci
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[18:00] <UA1ASB> :) I invited listeners by cqham.ru nd qth.spb.ru
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[18:01] <G8APZ> UA1ASB Excellent.
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[18:02] <OH7FXK> Evening, B-15 is maybe landed between near Russian border in east Finland
[18:02] <OH7FXK> Local hams try recover it
[18:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not quite down ..... yet.....
[18:03] <OH7JG> it was up 5min ago abt 600 m
[18:03] <OH7FXK> hm, that map had shown 661m about 15mins for me
[18:03] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 663m now
[18:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> ground level at around 150-180m
[18:04] <OH7JG> It can fall most east point of EU :-)
[18:04] <oh7bd> It's heading to the easternmost point in the EU
[18:05] <OH7FXK> hmm, if it goes to russian side, no one never can find it
[18:06] <OH7JG> http://urly.fi/9Ir
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[18:07] <Upu> wow is it going to land in europe ? :)
[18:07] <iain_G4SGX> Nice, looks like good fishing..
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> beautiful nature
[18:08] <oh7bd> got it!
[18:09] <OH7FXK> It's maybe too late to set my equiments
[18:09] <OH7FXK> allmost 300km
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> How is the signal strength oh7bd? It must be really low now
[18:10] <OH7JG> It is falling to my hunting area
[18:10] <Upu> sounds like you have something interesting to hunt :)
[18:10] <Upu> you won't need a gun though
[18:10] <OH7FXK> OH7JG: Go and shoot it down :D
[18:10] <iain_G4SGX> predictor still set for float?
[18:10] <oh7bd> Cannot see the heartbeat anymore...
[18:10] <Upu> decent rate is too slow for predictor
[18:11] <Upu> however bear with me
[18:11] <OH7JG> Bear, wolf or wolverine will eat it :-)
[18:11] <OH7JG> or local habitant
[18:11] <OH7FXK> nah, russian eat it, they think it's something eatable
[18:12] <iain_G4SGX> Though we'd done with the bear jokes!
[18:12] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=67528f8463a2dc0496279ed30de55b9324ff4652
[18:12] <Upu> probably in Russia
[18:12] <Upu> only just mind
[18:12] <Upu> and thats assuming 0 is ground
[18:12] <Upu> personally I'd put that in Finland but only just
[18:13] <G8APZ> This tracker tastes rubbery....
[18:13] <Upu> over to you our Finnish friends, if you fancy a "fox hunt" :)
[18:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/Landing%20spot%20ahead.jpg
[18:13] <G8APZ> OH7JG last tracker in range....
[18:14] <OH7JG> sorry, bad antenna
[18:14] <Upu> its ok
[18:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ground is 150-180m according to GE
[18:14] <Upu> thanks for trying
[18:14] <Upu> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=129fbed187709caa90f0727ede016c5eb8af05f8
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[18:14] <Upu> thats assuming 180m ground level
[18:15] <Upu> well in Finland
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[18:15] <LeoBodnar> lol another non-conformist B-*
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[18:15] <Upu> yep
[18:15] <Upu> do what they want :)
[18:15] <LeoBodnar> trying our patience!
[18:16] <OH7FXK> it maybe landing near road
[18:16] <iain_G4SGX> lots of trees..
[18:17] <Upu> well OH7FXK it should be transmitting all night, however if it landed solar panels down I doubt it will continue much into the morning
[18:17] <tr0lli> might be a bitch to pick up amidst the forest
[18:17] <Upu> also there is a slight chance it may rise again at dawn as the sun comes up
[18:17] <Upu> but I doubt that
[18:17] <OH7FXK> Next time, send information for Finnish hams, so we try to recover it
[18:17] <OH7FXK> :D
[18:17] <OH7JG> I did informate local forest company friends about that falling area
[18:17] <Upu> well
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> Will do, how? lol
[18:18] <Upu> this is the first time we've got one that far
[18:18] <oh7bd> We got good info, thanks.
[18:18] <Upu> and the first one that has decided to land whilst in range :)
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[18:18] <OH7JG> Lähetäänkö Arto ajelemaan näin yötä vasten?-)
[18:18] <G8APZ> quick build yagi required!
[18:18] <Upu> anyway thanks :) Welcome to HABing :)
[18:19] <oh7bd> How long the battery will last for the heartbeat?
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> OH7JG, Vilho Väisälä :)!
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[18:19] <LeoBodnar> About 1-2 days
[18:19] <OH7FXK> OH7JG: Ite voisin jos oisin lähempänä ja ilman saunaoluita
[18:20] <oh7bd> Ok. Tommorrow then.
[18:20] <Upu> longer if the panels get some sun
[18:20] <OH7JG> Väisälä brothers birth home is about 300 meter to south from my place
[18:20] <tr0lli> no eihän teillä parempaakaan tekemistä voi olla ;-)
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[18:20] <oh7bd> We try to have the updates on our club bulletin board
[18:20] <oh7bd> http://www.oh7ab.fi/foorumi/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=439&p=1108#p1108
[18:20] <OH7JG> Kurssi pahimoilleen kesken
[18:20] <G8APZ> Leo, with 4v left, assuming no solar tomorrow, what will life of TX be?
[18:20] <OH7FXK> tr0lli: Olisha sitä, mää joskus rakensin jo melkein täydellisen lähetin ja träkkeri osan palloa varten
[18:21] <tr0lli> ok :)
[18:21] <Lunar_Lander> OH7JG, cool!
[18:21] <OH7FXK> Ei oo vielkää vaa tarpeeks kevyttä GPS lutikkaa saatavilla halvalla, mietin pistää pari jätesäkkiä päälekkäin ja heliumia
[18:22] <tr0lli> se keraaminen antennikin painaa rutosti
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[18:22] <OH7FXK> sehäs se on ongelma, sais ilman sitä, siihen joku GP tms ohuesta langasta
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> I'd say 10 hours of telemetry and another 10 hours of just pips after that
[18:23] <OH7JG> muistakaahan kieliasiat poojjaat
[18:23] <OH7FXK> mutta ei oikein houkuttele 25¬ kpl laittaa palloon
[18:23] <OH7JG> OK, it was nice to be part of this happening, good night. Hope that someone will found that ball.
[18:23] <tr0lli> i coudn't make it in time even if i left kinda like now
[18:24] <G8APZ> Leo...OK thanks.... I think we've seen the last of today's sigs...
[18:24] <oh7bd> Thank you for good excitement, all. I go to sauna now! GE
[18:24] <OH7FXK> hobe OH7AB guys found that little baluun
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, that was awesome
[18:24] <oh7bd> 73 Arto oh7bd
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> landing in Germany, now landing in FINLAND
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> thanks to FINLAND and to Scandinavia!
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> THis is so cool to have another country on here :)
[18:25] <OH7FXK> Maybe i take some vodka and start search where i but my balloon transmitter
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> and Norway and Danes too!
[18:25] <Maxell> OH7BD \o/
[18:25] <oh7bd> email is oh7bd@sral.fi, cu
[18:25] <PA1SDB> What happened to B-15 ? Did the balloon exploded or is there a release mechanism ?
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[18:25] <Maxell> Your yagi? http://www.kolumbus.fi/artkop/yagis.jpg
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> see you later!
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw
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[18:26] <oh7bd> I use diamon x-200
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> let's not forget, besides Vaisala, Finland is the origin of HAB
[18:26] <OH7FXK> if someone knows where to get gps unit without that big ceramic antenna
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> in 1967
[18:26] <oh7bd> yagi was outta order
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> I think the project was called Ilmari
[18:26] <Maxell> hah!
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[18:26] <Maxell> nice oh7bd
[18:26] <Upu> I sell GPS units OH7FXK
[18:27] <OH7FXK> Lunar_Lander: Yeh, and series of Pula-Ilmari ham baloons
[18:27] <OH7FXK> Upu: what type?
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[18:27] <Upu> whats it for ?
[18:27] <Upu> ublox on breakout boards
[18:27] <Upu> with chip or active antennas
[18:27] <Upu> what are you plugging it into
[18:29] <Mik_WD8MNV> do you ship overseas?
[18:29] <OH7FXK> i need only NMEA data and 1pulse/s output
[18:29] <Upu> sure Mik_WD8MNV
[18:29] <OH7FXK> and without anu boards or that ceramic antenna
[18:30] <Upu> OH7FXK I've done a new board for the Pi that turns it into a NTP server quite nicely
[18:30] <Mik_WD8MNV> i want a GPS unit for a clock... but not right away]
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[18:30] <Upu> I ship to the States Mik_WD8MNV
[18:30] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/KlGSedz.jpg
[18:31] <Upu> thats my prototype
[18:31] <Upu> plug in to Pi
[18:31] <Upu> set up NTP and you get a network time server sync'd with PPS
[18:31] <Upu> Sync to: PPS(0) Offset: -0.253ms Stratum: 1
[18:31] <Mik_WD8MNV> add a SPI display and it's a clock : )
[18:32] <OH7FXK> heh, nice
[18:32] <Upu> yep
[18:32] <Upu> http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/2a00:14f0:e028::7
[18:32] <Upu> thats a Pi thats been in the NTP pool for 3 months
[18:32] <OH7FXK> but i think to use it with my baloon transmitter/controller, if i can still find it. It is somewhere here
[18:32] <Upu> Mik_WD8MNV it has been done 1 sec
[18:33] <OH7FXK> and as baloon, a big 25l plastic garbage back
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[18:33] <Upu> http://www.satsignal.eu/raspberry-pi/DigitalClock.html
[18:33] <OH7FXK> but i go to sauna too, good night all!
[18:33] <OH7FXK> 73 Herkko, OH7FXK
[18:34] <Upu> have fun!
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> good night!
[18:35] <Upu> well another sucessful launch Leo
[18:35] <eroomde_> they do amateur radio a bit better there
[18:35] <eroomde_> listening followed by sauna
[18:35] <Upu> yeah that was an awesome response
[18:36] <Upu> lol
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> really cool when all teh countries mix in
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[18:38] <DL1SGP> eroomde_: I would not wonder if some had a radio IN the sauna :)
[18:39] Nick change: Mik_WD8MNV -> Mik_lunch_afk
[18:40] <qyx_> has someone recovered b15?
[18:41] <qyx_> it is not too far from the last receiver
[18:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Not tonight, they may take a look tomorrow in daylight, its quite thick forest and lakes
[18:44] <OH7JG> and wolves, wolverines and bears... It's dark and there is swamps...
[18:44] <qyx_> ah, it's dark out there, i forgot :)
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> Could you keep RX running OH7JG for the night ?
[18:47] <LeoBodnar> In case it hops over tho the new place
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[18:50] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> XYZZY gets you there quick ;-)
[18:52] <OH7JG> I didn't hear two last telemetria, so it propably is useless
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> ah thanks
[18:54] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: tom? what is the frequency of the balloon? is there any webpage for it?
[18:55] <DL1SGP> Frequency: 437.600 MHz Telemetry: UKHAS RTTY 50 baud 7n2, 470 Hz Shift - SP9UOB PICO9 in dl-fldigi CW ID: every 3 minutes callsign, QTH Locator, Altitude Battery should run over 60 hours.
[18:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico2-back-small.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico2-front-small.jpg
[18:57] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: thx :)
[19:00] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: thx as well
[19:01] <PB0NER> here is the link of the RPI pwm fm transmitter I am trying to modify to qpsk
[19:01] <PB0NER> http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter
[19:02] <PB0NER> have to change the whole thing but slowly I think it is possible
[19:03] <PB0NER> other modulation scemes (domino, rtty etc) might be possible too
[19:04] <PB0NER> due to the nature of the signal there is a lot of harmonics, by using those I have managed to get 70cm fm
[19:04] <PB0NER> by using simple filters
[19:07] <PB0NER> so flying a baloon with a RPi and NO radio might be possible, just a simple PA
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[19:09] <PB0NER> connected to the correct GPio pin of the Pi...
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[19:12] <Maxell> PB0NER: yeah you told me over the half of the output power of the RF on those pins is harmonics
[19:12] <Maxell> due to square wave
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[19:13] <PB0NER> correct, I am trying to get a 700 kbit/sec qpsksignal
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[19:16] <OH1MN> So will it drop b4 coming spysatelite on Russian side :)
[19:16] <Maxell> QPSK is phased, like BPSK-31 right?
[19:17] <PB0NER> yes but quardruple
[19:17] <PB0NER> 4 phases, 2 bits each
[19:17] <PB0NER> 00, 01, 10 an 11
[19:17] <Maxell> twice the troughput?
[19:18] <PB0NER> yep
[19:18] <Maxell> double the bits -duh-
[19:18] <Maxell> \o
[19:20] <PB0NER> that FM code is generating a 'sine' wave and I am trying to implement phase jumps into that and I do not modulate audio on top of it...
[19:20] <PB0NER> I get amazinly weird output on my scope
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[19:21] <OH1MN> oh7bd Still here it?
[19:22] <PB0NER> getting the timing correct is important... and difficult
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[19:22] <PB0NER> oh7bd: ping
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[19:31] <PB0NER> what maps are used on this: http://www.philcrump.co.uk/ukhas_listeners/ ?
[19:32] <SpeedEvil> that looks like the open street map basemap
[19:33] <PB0NER> looks good
[19:34] <PB0NER> found a typo in a street name...
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[19:37] <PB0NER> When I started with tracking, I entered wrong coords and I am twice on the wrong location...
[19:37] <PB0NER> big data problems :)
[19:39] Nick change: Mik_lunch_afk -> Mik_WD8MNV
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[19:49] <Maxell> PB0NER: :o
[19:49] <Maxell> dat privacy
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[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/B-15_Flight_path.jpg for those that like em ;-)
[20:07] <DL1SGP> :)
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[20:18] <LeoBodnar> cool Geoff-G8DHE
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, hope mclane can find B-14
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> hehe it's been awhile
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[20:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> All the long flight paths on one map http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/B-xx_Flight_Paths.jpg Euro scribble ?
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Would be nice to get some of the balloons back to see what happened to them !
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool Geoff-G8DHE
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> its getting late - night all
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[21:29] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ptyV1cpE14o
[21:30] <SpeedEvil> haha
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[22:11] <Laurenceb_> http://forum.chibios.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=979&start=30#p12404
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> nice
[22:11] <Laurenceb_> "STM32DiscoveryM1"
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[22:22] <chrisstubbs> Laurenceb, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-TPq4YQuno
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[22:55] <DL7AD> good morning
[22:55] <Lunar_Lander> morning
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[23:10] <Laurenceb_> http://images.ads.supplyframe.com/cfd12461a3db385e7a51fc2cb9c89667.jpg
[23:10] <Laurenceb_> wut
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[23:13] <OE1FEA> hi @ll, how is the frequency and mode of SP9UOB? I can't see on spacenear.us/tracker ...
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[23:25] <Mik_WD8MNV> don't see any info ... might try 437.5 Mhz+ or - a few hundred KHz
[23:32] <craag> OE1FEA: 437.600
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