highaltitude.log.20131004

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[06:22] <ibanezmatt13> morning
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[06:43] <Maxell> oh hai
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[06:48] <Maxell> LOL @ Predicted Burst w/ airplane
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[06:51] <eroomde_> adamgreig: http://hackaday.com/2013/10/03/making-a-9ghz-doppler-radar/
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[07:18] <Hix> LeoBodnar I think you've upset Germany ;p https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/stop-b15-neu
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[07:26] <x-f> :)
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[07:47] <eroomde_> Hix: ping
[07:48] <Hix> yo eroomde
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[07:52] <LeoBodnar> Haha Hix great find!
[07:53] <Hix> it was a hit and run in the scrollback a few days ago
[07:57] <Maxell> Hix: nice one haha
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[08:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning Guys :--)
[08:22] <LeoBodnar> Morning G0TDJ_Steve !
[08:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Leo :D
[08:23] <LeoBodnar> I have seen you article/picture in a mag in the ham club yesterday
[08:23] <LeoBodnar> well done!
[08:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, PW :-) Yeah, I send stuff to Tim occasionally.
[08:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers.
[08:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> I didn't think he'd publish my pic quite so big but I should've expected it.
[08:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: Do you think there's a chance that the plane can locate B14?
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[08:27] <LeoBodnar> Not really. It might be still emitting beeps but GPS would be shut down
[08:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's a shame.
[08:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still an interesting experiment
[08:28] <LeoBodnar> Unless it gets some sunlight on solar panels which is very improbable due to GP sticking down
[08:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> I have suggested before that we should enlist the help of Amateur Satellites to do the same job.
[08:30] <mfa298> I'd imagine at any real altitude the payload would probably get lost in the noise from all the other ISM devices.
[08:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'd still like to give it a go.
[08:32] <mfa298> although it would e interesting to see how the noise floor looks accross the band, we might find parts are quieter than others
[08:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah
[08:33] <LeoBodnar> Very good point
[08:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> We'd need to hitch a ride on a cubesat
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> I always wanted 434 map with no go areas for UK/local/EU
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[08:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Surely, that wouldn't be that hard to do...
[08:36] <mfa298> I suspect if you look for specific no go areas (like repeater inputs, car keyfobs) you'll find you're always clashing with something.
[08:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> A beam for a specific footprint, a fast scanning rx. Logging....
[08:36] <mfa298> although a generalised this bit of spectrum is generally quieter accross the UK/Europe could be useful
[08:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> How'd we get the data back? Live telemetry?
[08:38] Action: mfa298 wonders how often aerial mapping planes cover the country
[08:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> SP3OSJ is up
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[08:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Andy :-)
[08:46] <M6GTG_Andrew> Morning Steve, or is that a welcome bot?
[08:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> No, it's m-m-m-e
[08:46] <M6GTG_Andrew> lol hows tricks?
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[08:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Fine Matey, just watching SP3OSJ go up in Poland and waiting for the fun with the plane
[08:48] <LeoBodnar> Is SP3OSJ a foil balloon or latex?
[08:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> I don't know Leo, sorry
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[08:48] <M6GTG_Andrew> yes saw that, looks like fun ;-) not sure about the prediction path for that one..
[08:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Doesn't say on the announcement LeoBodnar
[08:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm not sure if that's the flight plan or just where the tracker has moved.
[08:51] <M6GTG_Andrew> sorry meant the plane...
[08:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> I know :-)
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[09:17] <nats`> hi
[09:17] <jcoxon> hi nat
[09:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi
[09:17] <jcoxon> nats`, *
[09:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, Hi James :-)
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[09:20] <fsphil> tracking from an airplane would be very cool
[09:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm looking forward to seeing how successful it is fsphil
[09:24] <UpuWork> morning jcoxon
[09:24] <jcoxon> hey UpuWork
[09:24] <jcoxon> thanks for the parcel
[09:25] <UpuWork> welcome
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[09:36] <Hix> daveake about?
[09:37] Action: daveake looks
[09:37] <daveake> nope
[09:38] <Hix> heh - have you got an Owon scope?
[09:40] <daveake> yes
[09:41] <Hix> was looking at SDS7102, would you recommend them over the Rigols?
[09:42] <daveake> Not used a Rigol. From what I've read the h/w is better on the Owons but the s/w better on the Rigols
[09:42] <Hix> hmm decisions decisions
[09:43] <daveake> The UI could be better but otherwise a nice piece of kit
[09:43] <daveake> and connects to a PC via USB or wired lan
[09:43] <daveake> So you can take screenshots etc
[09:44] <fsphil> the budget rigols have a usb port, but I've not tried it
[09:44] <fsphil> they can also save screenshots to a USB disk
[09:45] <Hix> the one I was looking at was 100MHz, 1GSs with 10M memory, seemed to be about the best sped for the £ i can find
[09:47] <fsphil> the 1000 series rigols only have a low resolution screen too
[09:48] <Hix> yeah, Owon has 8" 800x600
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[09:51] <M6GTG_Andrew> looks at his ancient Gould DSO 465 100MHz/200Ms/s scope that is currently in several pieces due to a blown EMC mains filter and feels somewhat inadequate ;-)
[09:52] <eroomde> 100MHz BW, 200M sample rate?
[09:52] <eroomde> blimey
[09:52] <eroomde> they must have faith in their filters
[09:52] <M6GTG_Andrew> it is very very old ;-)
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[09:53] <M6GTG_Andrew> not my picture https://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/121723/DSO_465_klein.JPG
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[09:55] <M6GTG_Andrew> aliases like crazy ;-)
[09:57] <G4MYS_Andy> you talking about me? Andy G4MYS !!
[09:58] <M6GTG_Andrew> nope, ancient digital osilloscopes ;-)
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[10:05] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-15 up
[10:06] <UpuWork> DL7AD also in the air
[10:06] <Hix> eroomde my old friend turned up http://i.imgutil.com/v92HBZml.jpg
[10:06] <Hix> moar buttons
[10:14] <M6GTG_Andrew> curses! stuck at work and the wrong antenna on the SDR at home
[10:26] <WillDuckworth> havent seen these flights in the calendar
[10:26] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> B-15 rising slowly http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/
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[10:27] <eroomde> dead ink for me Hix
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[10:29] <PA1SDB> PSE dial and tone frequency B-15
[10:29] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/v92HBZml.jpg
[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.50 DominoEx16 mode
[10:30] <tweetBot> @nerdsville: Currently rx/tracking B-15 High Altitude Balloon #hab #ukhas http://t.co/wctKvYnuZE visit http://t.co/uwf3jwzN6S on how to become involved
[10:30] <Hix> eroomde ^^
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't hear it here yet not until its around 3-4Km
[10:30] <eroomde> oh nice!
[10:30] <PA1SDB> Geoff-G8DHE Tone at ~1000 Hz ?
[10:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Can't hera it yet but it will only be a few hundred Hz away
[10:32] <M6GTG_Andrew> listen for the beeps every 3 seconds or so
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[10:33] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: Currently tracking B-15 High Altitude Balloon #hab #ukhas http://t.co/TfUKxl2GRH visit http://t.co/ZMrYM3Hg9E on how to become involved #HAB
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[10:35] <M6GTG_Andrew> my FCDP+ is tuned to 434.499.700 and beep is exactly at 1000Hz
[10:35] <LeoBodnar> Hix I have one of them if you figure out how to use it in sensible way let me kno! :D
[10:35] <Hix> LeoBodnar spaceball 5000 USB?
[10:36] <LeoBodnar> For B-15 I have 434.500.000 here and modem centre is 1100Hz
[10:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mine's 434.500.27 for 1k centre. Just getting my first decode
[10:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wonder how DL7AD is doing with his decoding.....
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[10:37] <Maxell> omg B-15?
[10:41] <Maxell> & tuner warming up
[10:42] <jim_g3wgm> Hi folks. Anyone know the frequency for B-15??
[10:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> 434.500
[10:42] <eroomde> <M6GTG_Andrew> my FCDP+ is tuned to 434.499.700 and beep is exactly at 1000Hz
[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.500 +-200 Hz
[10:43] <jim_g3wgm> Thanks!
[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: Has this payload got it's own webpage yet? :-)
[10:45] <LeoBodnar> No but it will in a minute
[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Coolio
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anything diferent this time LeoBodnar ?
[10:46] <Maxell> G0TDJ_Steve: hmm, nope http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-15/
[10:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Maxell: Leo is writing it now I believe
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[10:47] <Maxell> :p
[10:48] <fsphil> OT: any recommendation for a laptop with a vertical resolution that isn't crap? (better than 768 pixels)
[10:48] <fsphil> and without a glossy screen
[10:48] <eroomde> physical size?
[10:48] <fsphil> pixels
[10:48] <fsphil> size isn't too important
[10:48] <eroomde> as there are plenty of big desktop replacement beasts that will do lots more
[10:48] <fsphil> mmm
[10:49] <fsphil> maybe not those
[10:49] <fsphil> 14"-ish or less
[10:49] <eroomde> lots of 15-17" Dells with 1920x1200
[10:49] <eroomde> ok
[10:50] <eroomde> http://www.amazon.co.uk/UX31A-R4003V-13-3-inch-Processor-Graphics-Ultra-Slim/dp/B00871NN80
[10:50] <eroomde> heard very good things about those
[10:50] <mfa298> fsphil: http://pcspecialist.co.uk/ could be worth a look, you can specify which screen to have on some of their models
[10:51] <fsphil> specs look good on that
[10:51] <fsphil> wow it's thin
[10:52] <joph> eroomde, also the new hp elitebook offer fullhd
[10:52] <joph> or the lenovo with 3200xX
[10:52] <M6GTG_Andrew> lol, wondered why my B-15 decode rate was falling, just vnc'd into machine at home and wife busy facebooking on it... :-(
[10:52] <eroomde> link me to the lenovo!
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> MSI do some which have Matt screens and a decent resolution
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> 1920x1080
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[10:53] <fsphil> the thinkpad x-series only has a 1366x768 screen :(
[10:53] <fsphil> whyyyyy
[10:53] <M6GTG_Andrew> people only want to watch movies.. lol
[10:53] <joph> yoga
[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I7-2670QM 2.2 GHz
[10:53] <eroomde> yeah that's who a got an x200
[10:53] <Hix> they're not that awful fsphil I love my X201
[10:53] <eroomde> more vertical
[10:53] <joph> there was also another one
[10:54] <mfa298> when I was looking ~6 months ago there seems to be very few laptops with >1366x768 screens unless you went to the 17" monsters
[10:54] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: reduced free lift since B-14 leaked in a strange circumstances
[10:54] <fsphil> the older x-series where better iirc
[10:54] <fsphil> had better screens
[10:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Slower to go up, longer flight
[10:54] <joph> Thinkpad 9 Slim <<< that's the one
[10:55] <LeoBodnar> Hix: yes weird ball on a stick. I couldn't even rotate the assignments
[10:55] <LeoBodnar> X/Y axes
[10:55] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: #HAB B-15 #B15 Just airborn 434.499.700 - beep at 1000 Hz USB in DominoEX16 #UKHAS
[10:55] <tweetBot> http://t.co/yBQAUoGbsn
[10:55] <Hix> you got the drivers LeoBodnar ?
[10:55] <Hix> LeoBodnar http://goo.gl/l2r8Bj
[10:56] <LeoBodnar> Found them on internet somewhere
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[10:57] <Hix> that link i sent you LeoBodnar
[10:57] <fsphil> oooh that Asus UX31A has a matte screen
[10:59] <LeoBodnar> can you rotate the thing 90 degrees Hix ?
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[11:00] <Hix> LeoBodnar not that I know of. why would you want to?
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[11:01] <Maxell> Reason for B-15 launch: fixed a typo in comment
[11:01] <Maxell> <3
[11:01] <Maxell> luve u
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[11:02] <fsphil> the Asus replaced the delete key with a power button
[11:02] <fsphil> that's so stupid
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[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> fsphil, Try http://www.msi.com/product/nb/GT60-2OJ-Workstation.html#?div=Specification
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> That range has good resolution and decent processors
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah decoding B-15 at last
[11:06] <PE9PE-Rob> http://www.southgatearc.org/news/october2013/ulster_434_mhz_ssdv_balloon_flight.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.Uk6hD1MXfA8
[11:07] Action: UpuWork points at fsphil
[11:07] <fsphil> oh yea, I better finish that :)
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> Plenty of time left!
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> As in >=30min
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[11:10] <fsphil> indeed
[11:10] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
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[11:11] <mfa298> that's what ISH time is for isn't it
[11:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> B-15 Frequency has drifted a little over the last hour (~50 Hz)
[11:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> Not a lot but much more than B <14
[11:12] <fsphil> haha, last minute soldering
[11:12] <mfa298> and there's still ~24 hours until you need ISH time.
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> junderwood_M0JCU, Tks for the QSL card for Vortex flights!
[11:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> np. Need to sort them out a bit quicker next time round :)
[11:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> Everyone who helped out on Vortex flights should have got QSL cards by now
[11:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> if I had addresses for them
[11:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> (hint daveake)
[11:15] <fsphil> prediction hasn't changed at all
[11:15] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=61906c2e8168cf848fa735f2ada98d0ef27d916e
[11:15] <db_g6gzh> junderwood_M0JCU: yes, thanks, I assume you must have found my address on qrz.com
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[11:16] <mfa298> junderwood_M0JCU: I got mine (thanks) now I need to find somewhere to put it and the one from daveake from a year or more ago.
[11:16] <daveake> junderwood_M0JCU noted :)
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[11:17] <mfa298> I now have more QSL's for balloons than for AR (2 - 0)
[11:17] <daveake> :)
[11:18] <M6GTG_Andrew> I didn't know there were QSL cards for balloons.. got one for receiving FITSAT-1 satellite last year ;-)
[11:18] <tweetBot> @P_Knol: Ready for #UKHAS #HAB #B-15, But I have to leave the RX unmanned now. Have to go to my job. Hopefuly 434.499,700 will produce a 1000 Hz tone
[11:19] <mfa298> M6GTG_Andrew: a few people have done them, usually for special flights.
[11:20] <mfa298> Leo's going to have a problem if he starts doing them for all his flights - might be cheaper to buy shares in Royal Mail.
[11:20] <db_g6gzh> maybe that's why he operates covertly 8-)
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[11:21] <M6GTG_Andrew> mfa298 will have watch out for that ;-)
[11:22] <PA1SDB> Still the same 434.499,700 dial ~ 1000Hz tone ?
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Similar here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-15_20131004/Capture.JPG
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[11:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> Missing addresses for the remaining QSLs are:
[11:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> g8knn, astra, g3vzv, m1elk, apexhab, M0NSA_A and MI0VIM ( fsphil? )
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> SP3OSJ seems to be floating now
[11:34] Nick change: HixLunch -> Hix
[11:34] <fsphil> my address should be on qrz junderwood_M0JCU, though look up 2I0VIM
[11:34] <Hix> yo Babs, what news have ye on Carbon?
[11:34] <fsphil> I've never updated it
[11:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> fsphil, Is it the full address?
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[11:36] <fsphil> just checking junderwood_M0JCU
[11:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> me too :)
[11:36] <fsphil> I've not logged in here in a very long time
[11:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Yes. It is
[11:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm sure the house number wasn't there last time I looked
[11:38] <Martin_G4FUI> I have the last few strings from B-15 from below my horizon (just)
[11:40] <mfa298> junderwood_M0JCU: M0NSA_A is also HeliosFA / Helios-Reaper looks like most of the address is on QRZ just no house number
[11:40] <Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f429i-disco/stm32f4-discovery-eval-board/dp/2355377?Ntt=429i-disco
[11:40] <Laurenceb> droolz
[11:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> That's a common problem. Great for a little anonimity - bad for QSLs
[11:41] <UpuWork> thanks for QSL junderwood_M0JCU :)
[11:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> Thanks for the help with the trackers, UpuWork
[11:42] <UpuWork> nps
[11:44] <Babs> nothing more done on it Hix, going to get everything finished and then send the .dxf to a few people. should be able to finish it next week I reckon
[11:44] <Hix> ok cool
[11:45] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb: I have just ordered one. Why do I need on?
[11:45] <LeoBodnar> one
[11:45] <Laurenceb> dunno lol
[11:45] <LeoBodnar> lol
[11:45] <Laurenceb> it looks cool :P
[11:45] <Laurenceb> i want to try running linux on it
[11:46] <Laurenceb> for the lulz
[11:46] <fsphil> woo, cheap chinese camera sensor arrived
[11:46] <LeoBodnar> WHy everybody is flocking to STs? I have used Atmel in the past (beacuse of HS USB)
[11:46] <LeoBodnar> true
[11:46] <fsphil> that's very cheap for a board with a screen
[11:47] <LeoBodnar> Hey, Laurenceb do you think this kick on B-14 before gas leak was thermal instability in reverse / opposite direction? It looked almost exponential until venting.
[11:47] <Laurenceb> i can't see how
[11:47] <Laurenceb> it wasn't in the stratosphere
[11:47] <Laurenceb> it looks like some kind of air current to me
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[11:48] <LeoBodnar> BUt accelerating one
[11:48] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, mystery
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[11:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ping M6GTG_Andrew
[11:52] <Laurenceb> no µGFX port for F429 yet aiui
[11:52] <M6GTG_Andrew> yes Steve?
[11:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> What filter bandwidth do you use on your SDR for HABs?
[11:53] <Laurenceb> http://ugfx.org/demos
[11:53] <M6GTG_Andrew> got a FCDP+ around 2-3kHz is USB mode
[11:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I thought 3k was about right. I've fired my dongle up with SDR# but I@m not having much luck
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> On SDR-Radio I have it set for 600Hz for Domino
[11:54] <M6GTG_Andrew> RTL based one?
[11:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, RTL800 I believe
[11:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Geoff-G8DHE
[11:55] <M6GTG_Andrew> using SDRSharp? Got the swap IQ unticked?
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> I use 500-1500Hz for RTTY normally
[11:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep Andy
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> cuts out all the extra noise
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[11:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> I tried it on the broadcast band, no worries with Radio 1 despite it being a 70cms antenna (Diamond X50) So maybe B15 is just out of range....
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[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Where is your aerial located G0TDJ_Steve
[11:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> On the roof
[11:57] <M6GTG_Andrew> You got both AGC on in the dongle configuration?
[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> What sort of height ?
[11:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Checking
[11:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> AGC and Use Hang? Yeas, both on Andy. Geoff, ant up at around 30ft
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[11:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've not had difficulties withthe FT857
[11:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Lots of spurious bleeps on here... not B15
[11:58] <M6GTG_Andrew> nope at top, next to RTL-USB should be configuration
[11:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Have now, RTL and Tuner
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Strange B-15 is below my local horizon to the North but still able to copy it using just a RTL2832U/E8000
[11:59] <M6GTG_Andrew> try turning off bottom one (tuner) should remove loads of mush and use the slider
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lunch call AFK
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[12:00] <M6GTG_Andrew> they are notoriously way off frequency
[12:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> I am getting other sigs. B15 must just be out of range. I'll have to go back to the '857
[12:01] <LeoBodnar> Is this for ST ARM board you have linked to Laurenceb ?
[12:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> I have the scale from 434.1. to 434.7 No pips or domino spotted
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[12:01] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: not ported yet
[12:01] <Laurenceb> id expect a port shortly
[12:01] <LeoBodnar> ok
[12:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hang on! I'll try VAYU :-)
[12:02] <Laurenceb> just needs a board file and stuff
[12:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> VAYU banging the windows out [obviously]
[12:04] <M6GTG_Andrew> freq calibrated?
[12:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Not far out
[12:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Hang on
[12:06] <M6GTG_Andrew> I'll shout when next databurst, wind your contrast up
[12:07] <M6GTG_Andrew> now! ;-)
[12:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, doorbell....
[12:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Took contrast rithg up and slowly down, nothing
[12:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Calibration is 300k low
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[12:12] <Maxell> PE2G: doesn't look it will be in range for you
[12:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, Back to the .857 to see if I can still hear it on that
[12:13] <M6GTG_Andrew> Hope you get it working Steve, must admit don't really use my RTLSDRs as I've got the Funcube
[12:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> M6GTG_Andrew: I got it to do virtual radar with (ASDB Plane spotting) but I thought I would give it a go.
[12:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Signal very weak on the '857 but it is there
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[12:17] <Ugi_> Hi guys - looks like I missed an intresting morning!
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[12:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> B15 up, a plane ariel decoding, SP3OSJ up.....
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[12:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> My turn for a screen break/lunch Thanks for your help guys - bbs
[12:19] <Ugi_> yep - just spotted those on spacenear - shame I was in a meeting am
[12:19] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
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[12:20] <G0TDJ_AFK> All still going - Catch you later Ugi_
[12:20] <Ugi_> TTFN G0TDJ_AFK
[12:20] <G0TDJ_AFK> ..
[12:21] <Ugi_> Slightly worried that DL7AD has a burst height!
[12:22] <daveake> Let's hope his parachute works then :p
[12:22] <fsphil> lol
[12:23] <eroomde> light aircraft parachutes are increasingly A Thing
[12:23] <eroomde> which is quite a fun idea
[12:23] <fsphil> they are very cool
[12:24] <fsphil> I think it's already saved lives
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[12:24] <PE2G> Maxell: I'm giving it a try anyway. It's clear though that the QRM gods are against me again :(
[12:24] <Hix> retro rockets are cooler :)
[12:25] <Ugi_> by "light aircraft parachutes" do you mean 'chutes for the _whole damn plane_?
[12:25] <Hix> yup
[12:25] <Ugi_> Wowzers
[12:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> search for Cirrus CAPS
[12:26] <Hix> ugi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAwET3Q9Og4&feature=player_detailpage
[12:26] <fsphil> there's some video on youtube of the tests
[12:27] <Ugi_> that's seriously impressive!
[12:28] <Ugi_> Some major materials science must have gone into finding something strong enough without being absurdly heavy
[12:29] <Hix> Apollo maybe :)
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[12:29] <Ugi_> Yes, I guess that might have contributed!
[12:29] <Ugi_> Also counts as "major", I would say
[12:29] <LeoBodnar> Cirrus recovery parachute as far as I remember has not saved a single life
[12:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> LeoBodnar, not correct.
[12:30] <LeoBodnar> It is usually deployed in recoverable situation in panic
[12:30] <Hix> wasn't there one in Cheltenham a couple of years back?
[12:30] <LeoBodnar> And when it was really needed two guys died
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[12:30] <Hix> Martin Baker ftw ;)
[12:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> There's no guarantee that the "recoverable situations" would have been recovered :)
[12:31] <LeoBodnar> Maybe I'm behind the stats
[12:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think it's in the 100's so far.
[12:31] <junderwood_M0JCU> Maybe some of them would have landed safely but I doubt all would
[12:31] <Hix> ha excellent, MB have a latest ejection alert on the homepage and a total lives saved counter
[12:32] <Ugi_> interesting to wonder whether the counter updates again if the same person is save twice ... it's one life after all!
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[12:33] <Ugi_> saved
[12:33] <Hix> to them its a life saved so yes
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[12:36] <Ugi_> I'm sure they do, but strictly I suspect "saved a life three times" =/= "saved three lives"
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[12:37] <Ugi_> I'm only being pointlessly difficult, however
[12:37] <Ugi_> It's Friday
[12:37] <Hix> pendant ;p
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[12:38] <Ugi_> Sadly I do this type of thing for a living - I once had to point out that "without substantially killing" made no sense - you either kill or you don't. What they meant was "substantially without killing" which is not quite the same
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[12:39] <Hix> like totally :D
[12:39] <DL1SGP> Greetings everyone!
[12:39] <Hix> teacher Ugi_ ?
[12:39] <Ugi_> I am a professional PITA
[12:39] <Hix> heh
[12:39] <Hix> hi DL1SGP
[12:39] <Ugi_> Patent Attorney
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[12:40] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[12:40] <Lunar_LanderU> craag: do you have a moment?
[12:40] <Hix> really Ugi_? I hope to work with you someday then :)
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[12:42] <Ugi_> Always happy to help Hix but if you work in electonics/engineering you'd want someone other than me to do the formal stuff - I'm really a chemist and I do mostly pharma' stuff
[12:42] <Hix> ahh
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[12:43] <Ugi_> If you have any IP related issues, however, I'm happy to advise informally
[12:43] <Hix> I'm pretty dust and water impervious afaik :D
[12:43] <Maxell> PE2G: yay for QRM
[12:44] <Ugi_> :-D
[12:44] <PE2G> Maxell: Hoping that QRM will stop at 16-17 hr local
[12:45] <Maxell> PE2G: does 70cm QRM gets less at midnight, for example?
[12:45] <Ugi_> I suspect after submersion to 5m for an hour (or whatever it is) you might be in a little trouble!
[12:46] <Maxell> I've seen widefm headset in 70cm so thats only on when someone is at home using that
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[12:47] <PE2G> Maxell: Well, it's my impression that QRM is less promiment in this ISM-band we're using at night and in the weekends.
[12:48] <Maxell> hmm intresting
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[12:48] <Maxell> Yesterday I was happy I was able to pick up QRM: I made 434.500 Mhz moxon antenna
[12:49] <Maxell> I picked up more QRM that ever before
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[12:50] <PE2G> Maxell: So the antenna does work ;)
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[12:52] <Maxell> Yes, very cheap, easy to construct, and quite some directional gain
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[12:53] <PE2G> Maxell: Sounds good. I don't know, will look into it.
[12:54] <Maxell> However, it feels like it is some sort of hoax, very vague not that much wikipedia coverage, and havent found any commercial products
[12:54] <DL1SGP> Moxons are pretty nice
[12:55] <fsphil> interesting email on the ukhas list there
[12:57] <PE2G> I have some traces from B-15, QRM far stronger
[12:58] <Lunar_LanderU> so B-15 is flying?
[12:58] <Lunar_LanderU> cool
[12:58] <PE2G> Maxell: Do you have a pic of the moxon?
[12:59] <Lunar_LanderU> ohhhh we got a Plane on spacenear!
[13:00] <craag> fsphil: Yeah....
[13:01] <craag> I'll be at the RSGB convention next week, will report back.
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[13:03] <PE2G> Despite QRM, a partial decode: $$B-15,224,13t14,131004,53.1442,0.8855,8347,8,-0,4.21,0.68*4a28
[13:03] <PE2G> Which is nice considering how far I'm outside the blue circle
[13:04] <iain_G4SGX> craag: I you're there go see John Regnault, VH Fmanager, he's the chap ive been emailing who has added the subject to the Ofcom consultation..
[13:04] <iain_G4SGX> *VHF
[13:04] <craag> iain_G4SGX: Thanks, I will!
[13:05] <iain_G4SGX> He's new to the job so quite keen i think.
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[13:07] <iain_G4SGX> The last 2 B flights have been a bit drifty for me, but I have changed my receiver. Is it me or are they a bit drifty, seem to remember Leo may have switched off the freq correction?
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[13:07] <iain_G4SGX> They used to be rock steady
[13:09] <craag> I think he's now using just a TCXO as he switches off the GPS a lot .
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[13:11] <jim_g3wgm> I'm still decoding B-15 OK, but its getting weak!. FLdigi is showing an s/n of - 15 dBs. I think I'll lose it soon!!
[13:12] <iain_G4SGX> Yep thats right, i remember i think. Its only about 20Hz/min , handle-able. Thought it may be the FT857
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[13:17] <LeoBodnar> iain_G4SGX: B-14 had faulty TCXO and drifted massively. B-15 uses regular TCXO and would still drift +-100Hz. I am not using GPS lock at the moment as I am experimenting with different GPS power saving modes
[13:22] <PE2G> QRM gone since a few mins. Distance 384 km: http://s13.postimg.org/51wo5a0vr/Screen1125.jpg
[13:28] <iain_G4SGX> Cool.. Ive connected my RFM42 to my PIC, seems to work ok didnt take much to change the code from the Radiometrics after initialising. Been a bit caught up with another project, a dynamic Delta-loop antenna, been messing with EZNEC antenna modelling, much fun.
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[13:32] <x-f> SP3OSJ, could it be that your balloon starts to leak a bit after it reaches the highest point?
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[13:52] <Laurenceb> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ydnfwSnb1rtdb2so1_1280.png
[13:54] <x-f> those Chinese ones?
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[13:55] <Laurenceb> yes O_o
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[13:57] <nats`> ohhhh I'm already phobic of bee wasp and all those stuff
[13:57] <x-f> i always think that ours are big, but they're just half that size
[13:57] Action: nats` is noting China as a forbidden country
[13:58] <Lunar_LanderU> LeoBodnar:
[13:58] <Lunar_LanderU> if I may ask
[13:58] <Lunar_LanderU> how much does a single B-# launch cost?
[13:59] <LeoBodnar> About £40-50 I would guess
[13:59] <Lunar_LanderU> cool
[14:00] <x-f> aww, Hysplit is down too :/
[14:01] <Laurenceb> http://softypapa.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/img_5856.jpg?w=547
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[14:03] <nats`> Laurenceb allow me to tell you "I HATE YOU !"
[14:03] <nats`> I'll never click a link from you :p
[14:03] <DL1SGP> :-)
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arc_welding_part_of_an_anti-tank_gun.jpg
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[14:06] <Laurenceb> lol nice dress
[14:06] <Hix> its a very fetching leather apron/ gauntlet combo, I hear they were all the rage in'43
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> The helmet position is special too :)
[14:07] <chrisg7ogx> is B15 on 434.500 please?
[14:08] <chrisg7ogx> no info on tracker
[14:08] <Hix> chrisg7ogx 434.50 DominoEx16 mode
[14:09] <chrisg7ogx> hix ok tks can't find it then!
[14:09] <mfa298> one of these day's Leo will confuse us and not have the payload on .500
[14:09] <Hix> think its over the north sea
[14:10] <Hix> hmm should be in range, where are you? It could be bursting data every so often
[14:10] <Hix> power save....
[14:10] <chrisg7ogx> yes looks like it have regular blips on .458.5
[14:10] <chrisg7ogx> bognor regis
[14:11] <chrisg7ogx> this blip i see also has accompanying smaller blip either side
[14:11] <Hix> hmm just out of horizon, good effort
[14:11] <PE2G> chrisg7ogx: I have B-15 on 434.500.7 at 1167 Hz
[14:12] <chrisg7ogx> pe2g i'm chasing ghosts probably
[14:13] <PE2G> chrisg7ogx: Are you far outside the blue circle?
[14:13] <chrisg7ogx> will move beam a smidgin then time to feed puppy
[14:14] <chrisg7ogx> on the edge as we speak but using 15 ele beam but only at 20 feet and house nearly in the way
[14:14] <chrisg7ogx> i.e. beam below roof level - still!
[14:15] <chrisg7ogx> thanks every one brb later
[14:16] <Hix> chrisg7ogx from the map - i used to lodge 400m up the road from you @ the old forge
[14:16] <chrisg7ogx> mmm more clues!
[14:18] <Hix> B2166
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[14:18] <chrisg7ogx> Hix the green "zit" on the map is bang on my front door..used latitude and longtitude app on android
[14:19] <Hix> call it 500m then ;)
[14:19] <chrisg7ogx> hix gotcha..I always think that road has been overtaken 9pun intended) by traffic, quite iffy at rush hour peeps driving too fast for country lane
[14:19] <Hix> there was a massive field of Cauliflower / sprouts - it didn't half whiff at times
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[14:20] <DL7AD> good afternoon
[14:20] <DL1SGP> Moin Sven
[14:20] <chrisg7ogx> still does they bin the trimming in the drainage ditch.."improved" drainage again so interesting to see this winter if road stays open!
[14:21] <chrisg7ogx> still far less rain than forecast in this area think we are in rain shadow
[14:21] <Hix> i remember it being a wee bit slippy down there early in the mornings. used to frost heavily
[14:21] <chrisg7ogx> boss home soon laters
[14:22] <Hix> bye :D
[14:22] <chrisg7ogx> hix brills photo of frozen splashes on hedge from there made it to BBC weather prog last year
[14:24] <tweetBot> @thecraag: Debit Card got locked for 'suspicious activity'. This must be a rite of passage 3 weeks before a HAB Launch! #ukhas
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[14:32] <Laurenceb> looks a bit turbulent up there
[14:34] <LeoBodnar> Can't make my mind up. This is a new balloons batch. Either smaller size or different material or some Helium vent.
[14:34] <Laurenceb> id expect some turbulence given the weather
[14:35] <Laurenceb> got feedback on first few chapter of my thesis
[14:35] <Laurenceb> "inconsistent font use for graphs"
[14:36] <Laurenceb> facepalm
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[14:36] <Laurenceb> it wasnt even inconsistent - they had issues with their system fonts when viewing it
[14:36] <DL1SGP> would using "Comic Sans" on all graphs make it better? :)
[14:36] <Laurenceb> hehe
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> HAHAHA, this is a sign of envy to the body of presentation
[14:37] <Laurenceb> maybe i could force it to use comic sans on all windows machines
[14:37] <M6GTG_Andrew> beat me to it DL1SGP Comic Sans is what you must use
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> Use LCD font or Braille
[14:38] <Laurenceb> half the other comments in the first chapter are scribbled out as they addressed stuff covered in chapter 2
[14:38] <Laurenceb> double facepalm
[14:38] <Hix> use this one ;p http://goo.gl/8JpclX
[14:38] <Hix> give it that handmade look
[14:39] <Laurenceb> in other news the university doesnt have a single vacuum former
[14:39] <Laurenceb> but they have £15M worth of 3d printers
[14:39] <Hix> read that as cleaner
[14:40] <nick_> My department has a fancy 3d printer that is too expensive so noone uses it.
[14:40] <nick_> :(
[14:40] <Hix> anyone got a spare gonioreflectometer
[14:40] <Hix> as it appears i now need one
[14:41] Action: Laurenceb is ordering a vacuum former
[14:41] <Laurenceb> so i can do some real work
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: I hope it sucks.
[14:41] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:42] <Laurenceb> they are silly money :(
[14:42] <Laurenceb> oh well its not my cash
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> I was wondering earlier about vacuum forming concrete.
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> - to reduce the required paste fraction.
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> As clearly if you can mix it without constraint of volume, that helps.
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> (technically forming in a steam atmosphere at low pressure, not vacuum)
[14:44] <Hix> just accidentally spat the word measurising out to my boss - it's a keeper
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[14:46] <Hix> right I'm outta here. Laters
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[14:47] <nats`> system font
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[14:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dudeiwantthat.com/autos/exotic/zero-helicopter.asp
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Looks pretty.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Alas...
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> I guess you could make it packing the frame with Li-Po, and a brushless motor and gearbox up top
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[15:10] <LeoBodnar> YOu have a new job Hix or is it still old one dragging on?
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> oh
[15:14] <WillTablet> Praise de lord, for it is friday
[15:15] <mfa298> you can only do that if you're Christian (or possibly Jewish / Muslim)
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[15:17] <eroomde> anyone who has ever asked a group of lab technicians or machinists for help should be familiar with this
[15:17] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/YkhgRpB.jpg
[15:17] <darkstar-2001> In case this hasn't been raised earlier today, I'll post this link here http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/04/uk-amateur-radio-licence-review/ and drawn peoples attention to the "uncrewed airborne platforms" part.
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[15:18] <eroomde> it was raised on the mailing list
[15:19] <darkstar-2001> Cool.
[15:20] <mfa298> as a start it looks like we've got airborne use on the radar, probably needs a few people to discuss it on that forum now.
[15:22] <LeoBodnar> We should probably have a sort of position statement on behalf of HAB community
[15:23] <LeoBodnar> So we can just add our signatures/votes to it rather than each having their own little statement
[15:24] <eroomde> my colleague on gui programming: "I'm just typing in magic shit off the internet"
[15:24] <mfa298> a few people talking about how it would be good and how it would lead to useful experimentation would be good.
[15:24] <eroomde> i can certainly talk about things from a rocketry side
[15:25] <eroomde> especially wrt to AR being useful to high profile national projects (spin spin)
[15:25] <eroomde> iff we could use useful power levels from a rocket, that is
[15:25] <mfa298> some of the things that have been discussed on here about video etc would probably be good as well.
[15:26] <eroomde> enough power and bandwith to get about 1MB over 10-100km would really start to interest people
[15:26] <eroomde> 1Mb/s, even
[15:27] <LeoBodnar> GM4JTJ wow
[15:28] <mfa298> only place I can see your rocketry having issues is with the not for business part of the license although I'm sure that could be worked around (most of the amateurs here probably wouldn't care that much)
[15:28] <eroomde> yes indeed
[15:28] <eroomde> you could just call it an amateur payload
[15:28] <eroomde> as with amateur packages on commercial sats
[15:28] <eroomde> and lots of people on this list use ukhas for money making ventures
[15:29] <eroomde> but yes, it would just be convenient, is all. atm we just have to get the appropriate experimental permits which is more tedious
[15:29] <LeoBodnar> Bring in Dave with cute bear
[15:30] <mfa298> I wonder if that could be another discussion point, use of AR to aid related scietific research which maybe close to business use.
[15:30] <eroomde> no more bears
[15:30] <eroomde> for the love of pete
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[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> If its not bears then it will have to be Cats then ;-)
[15:31] <eroomde> i just think there would be some interest in ukhas, probably, to put a ukhas-type tracker (with a higher power) on some stuff we're soon doing
[15:31] <eroomde> it should nail the ukhas alt record too
[15:31] <eroomde> sorry that was garbled, i mean i'm sure people much have fun trying to track it
[15:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> I wonder how fast snus can update !
[15:33] <eroomde> :)
[15:33] <eroomde> that need only be low baud rate really
[15:33] <WillTablet> mfa298 how did you guess I'm not Christian?
[15:34] <eroomde> because you rant on about religion which is very OT for this channel
[15:34] <eroomde> so let's nip this one in the bud
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[15:35] <eroomde> but yes, mfa298 i certainly agree that opening it up for video from habs and the like would be stupendous
[15:35] <eroomde> imagine a human-piloted FPV rc-glider from a hab
[15:35] <eroomde> that would be something
[15:36] <daveake> Like that guy in Sweden did?
[15:36] <eroomde> dunno
[15:36] <mfa298> being able to use aprs as well would be nice but doesn't really provide the killer reason for changing the rules
[15:36] <darkstar-2001> And just getting back lots of (science) data from a payload without having to worry about if it lands and breaks would also open up a lot of opportunities.
[15:37] <daveake> http://hobbyspace.com/Blog/?p=1083
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[15:38] <daveake> Even ^ landed in a tree
[15:38] <eroomde> darkstar-2001, yes certainly
[15:38] <eroomde> that is what we have to do for something soon too
[15:38] <eroomde> as the assumption is that the payload isn't coming back
[15:38] <LeoBodnar> It's local laws competition not a technology or skills.
[15:39] <eroomde> daveake, fin!
[15:39] <eroomde> fun*
[15:40] <eroomde> gopro image quality is so terrible
[15:41] <eroomde> they must be the biggest victory of marketing over quality in video recording since vhs/betamax
[15:41] <daveake> hateful lens distortion
[15:41] <daveake> and new models are buggy as hell
[15:42] <eroomde> we're going down the machine videon camera route for the rig
[15:42] <eroomde> paper specs are terrible compared to a gopro for the money
[15:42] <eroomde> but, thy just work
[15:42] <daveake> this is always a Good Thing
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[15:42] <eroomde> they have C-mount lenses, global shutters, external shutter trigger, and a very well specified firewire spec that allows control of all the exposure settings
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[16:08] <Brace> eroomde: and you look like a total spod when wearing one
[16:08] <Brace> everytime I see someone out climbing or riding with one on, I die a bit inside
[16:11] <Maxell> PE2G: no, but looks similar to this http://www.moxonantennaproject.com/sm5jab/moxon_after.jpg
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[16:12] <Maxell> Thats all basicly... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lapthorn/coathanger.htm
[16:12] <Maxell> But not recieving anything here with moxon at home
[16:12] <Maxell> I require habamp
[16:12] <Maxell> :P
[16:13] <DL1SGP> heh
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[16:21] <LeoBodnar> How does moxon look in EZNEC?
[16:23] <eroomde> like some crazy alien hand
[16:23] <eroomde> it's extremely lobey/nully
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> So does it defy laws of nature or has some solid background to its claimed performance?
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[16:24] <Maxell> driven by hoaxes
[16:25] <Maxell> most websites look like they repaced "free energy" with "moxon antenna"
[16:26] <eroomde> i think it just works ok as an antenna
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[16:26] <eroomde> with quirks
[16:27] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=hoXAGQl9iYM
[16:27] <RAMM25> <4000, 45;0
[16:27] <eroomde> just because you can
[16:27] <eroomde> doesn't mean
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[16:32] <quad-rc> hi
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[16:33] <eroomde> perfection is not when there is nothing left to add
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[16:37] <Maxell> Laurenceb: ok, now I need to rinse my eyes with bleach again
[16:38] <Maxell> eroomde: I do not have the tools measure the antenna right now, but I suspect it kinda works
[16:38] <Maxell> since I see stuff on the waterfal
[16:38] <eroomde> yes, i know it works
[16:38] <Maxell> not b-15 :(
[16:38] <eroomde> people have used them to track habs before
[16:39] <eroomde> just saying it's got a wierd pattern
[16:39] <Maxell> somewhat directional
[16:40] <eroomde> are the loons touting it as some kind of super antenna then?
[16:40] <DL7AD> got a stream which can listen to b-15
[16:40] <DL7AD> http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/vk4fsgw.php?receiver=24
[16:42] <DL1SGP> heh
[16:42] <mfa298> the easiest test for how well an antenna works is how it compares to a previous antenna, if you're able to compare at the same time you should be able to compare if it's better/worse
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[16:44] <eroomde> where the metric is prettiness
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[16:48] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:48] <mclane> DL7AD: which one did you use?
[16:48] <DL7AD> mclane: these one which is the most north in the netherlads
[16:49] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: good evening ;)
[16:49] <DL1SGP> Good Evening Lunar_Lander
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, can you try going to the B-14 landing?
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, I think you did the first plane on spacenear.us :)
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[16:51] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: yes :D but the test did not work. i ran into technical problem in flight (just on my receiving equiment, no on the plane for sure)
[16:51] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[16:52] <DL1SGP> you need a tech assistant to handle the rig while you handle the aircraft Sven :)
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[16:52] <mclane> Lunar_lander: I might try during the weekend; its a 2 h drive from here
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[16:52] <DL7AD> DL1SGP: yes can you come next time?
[16:53] <DL1SGP> Pick me up at Arloh :)
[16:53] <eroomde> a radio operator
[16:53] <eroomde> like on long-range reconaissance flights
[16:53] <DL1SGP> else if we schedule it early enough I come over to Berlin, no worries
[16:53] <DL7AD> and i would need some money to do the recovery of b-14 ^^ flying is not cheap :/
[16:55] <mclane> cool my first decode using globaltuners!
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[16:55] <DL1SGP> great job mclane
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[16:55] <DL7AD> if b14 would be more close to me, it would be simple to find it.
[16:56] <DL1SGP> Hi LA3EQ-Jan, good evening to you
[16:57] <LA3EQ-Jan> good evning
[16:57] <x-f> good evening
[16:58] <x-f> LA3EQ-Jan, are you above or below Bergen?
[16:59] <DL7AD> next decode on globaltuners. it's coming closer! 688 km :D
[16:59] <LA3EQ-Jan> i am below Bergen and below Stavanger
[16:59] <DL7AD> LA3EQ-Jan: good evening ;)
[17:00] <LA3EQ-Jan> i have not come on the map for some reason
[17:00] <x-f> is your dl-fldigi online?
[17:01] <mclane> There is a predicted landing from f6agv for b-14
[17:01] <LA3EQ-Jan> yes online
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi LA3EQ-Jan
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> so you are from Norway?
[17:02] <LA3EQ-Jan> yes in Egersund...JO28XJ
[17:03] Action: DL1SGP likes Jan's coffee-mug
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[17:04] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: he has been already on the map before ;)
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[17:04] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: so it could be a very simple or a very strange problem
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> ah cool
[17:04] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[17:05] <DL7AD> LA3EQ-Jan: i would try to restart you dl-fldigi and when staring watch out for the lower "status-line"
[17:05] <DL7AD> LA3EQ-Jan: *for the lowest one
[17:05] <LeoBodnar> see you later guys
[17:06] <DL1SGP> enjoy the evening LeoBodnar
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[17:07] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: bye
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[17:20] <PE2G> LA3EQ-Jan: Have you done: DL Client > Configure > Location ?
[17:20] <PE2G> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:location2.jpeg
[17:21] <LA3EQ-Jan> what was that PE2G?
[17:21] <PE2G> DL Client at the top bar of dl-fldigi
[17:25] <LA3EQ-Jan> yes now i applyed log and lat + meter over sea
[17:26] <jcoxon> evening all
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[17:27] <mfa298> LA3EQ-Jan: you need to have callsign, lat, long, and altitude set to appear on the map
[17:27] <mfa298> it may then take a couple of minutes to appear
[17:27] <LA3EQ-Jan> all that has been progrsmed
[17:28] <PE2G> LA3EQ-Jan: OK. You appear to be south of Egersund, Norway
[17:29] <LA3EQ-Jan> correct....egeroey islasnd
[17:29] <LA3EQ-Jan> sri typo
[17:30] <LA3EQ-Jan> sould i stop dl-fldigi and start it agsain?
[17:31] <PE2G> LA3EQ-Jan: No need, you show on the map now. Near Auglendsveien
[17:32] <LA3EQ-Jan> hi hi that's my street .....but it does not show on my map
[17:33] <PE2G> LA3EQ-Jan: Hit F5 in your browser
[17:33] <LA3EQ-Jan> ok will try that
[17:35] <LA3EQ-Jan> having problems with spacenear.us
[17:35] <LA3EQ-Jan> it does not loasd now..
[17:35] <mclane> is there afc in dl-fldigi with dominoex?
[17:38] <mclane> B-15 drifts a little bit
[17:38] <PE2G> LA3EQ-Jan: Try this one: http://spacenear.us/tracker/legacy.php?filter=B-15
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[17:39] <Maxell> $$B-15,518,173911,131004tn.!oiEet05106735,4.1,0.17*940a
[17:39] <Maxell> grmbl
[17:41] <jcoxon> is pysyground really rx'ing b-15from south germany?
[17:41] <mfa298> LA3EQ-Jan: if you're still having issues on spacenear.us you could also try http://habhub.org/mt/
[17:42] <DL7AD> mclane: yes now you know whos listening to it and did not leave his receiver
[17:42] <jcoxon> i can see LA3EQ-Jan on the map
[17:42] <DL7AD> MLow: :D
[17:42] <mclane> no, I am using a globaltuner in the netherlands
[17:42] <jcoxon> oh okay
[17:42] <Maxell> lol
[17:42] <mclane> I did not change my coordinates ;-)
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[17:49] <LeoBodnar> evening!
[17:50] <LeoBodnar> Has SP3OSJ been recovered?
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[17:53] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: i dont know
[17:53] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: btw good evening.
[17:53] <x-f> no news about a recovery on the Polish forum
[17:54] <LA3EQ-Jan> thanks....that link worked...now is see myself on map
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[17:55] <Maxell> hmm, visable on the waterfall, no green decode
[17:55] <x-f> SP3OSJ writes that he's not sure why his balloons don't want to float
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[17:58] <LeoBodnar> Maybe faulty batch?
[17:59] <cm13g09> mfa298: I'm home now - and will have IRC open for the rest of the evening....
[17:59] <cm13g09> ping me when you're around
[17:59] <Maxell> $$B-15,525,17W656,131004,54.9078,4.254,8130,8,-36,4.06,0.01*f9f3
[17:59] <Maxell> $$2915,5rt75911,131004,54.921,4.2827,80r,9zn36ToQ7ttn3e
[17:59] <Maxell> noooooo
[18:00] <Maxell> dont give up on me DomEX16
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> If this would be a shipwreck you'd be a hero
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> You can see all you need in tohose two lines
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[18:02] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: \o/
[18:02] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: Are you already tuned with the Swedish websdrs?
[18:03] <Maxell> Norway, Skarnes http://87.248.30.172:8901/ 433.988 - 435.012 MHz - 70cm roof mounted antenna
[18:03] <LeoBodnar> Dokkum globaltuners
[18:03] <Maxell> :D Friesland
[18:05] <DL7AD> LA3EQ-Jan: can you receive b-15?
[18:08] <wb8elk> Can someone activate a flight doc for me? it is: f0a48144b5166f386d37606c59ab177a
[18:10] <Maxell> :o green decode
[18:10] <Maxell> $$B-15,528,180408,131004,54.9507,4.3459,8043,10,-37,4.06,0*a9a8
[18:10] <adamgreig> wb8elk: done
[18:10] <jcoxon> wb8elk, what you launching
[18:10] <jcoxon> ?
[18:11] <PE2G> Maxell: Is QRM still the problem?
[18:12] <Maxell> PE2G: No QRM here
[18:12] <PE2G> Maxell: OK, just a weak signal?
[18:12] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/hNbCwsC.png yep
[18:13] <PE2G> http://s23.postimg.org/x8md2sawr/Screen1126.jpg
[18:16] <PE2G> QRM stopped here at about 18 hrs local time
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> Is it real mylar wb8elk or Qualatex ?
[18:17] <Maxell> PE2G: North is blocked by A12 and stuff https://www.google.nl/maps/preview#!q=Revelation+Space%2C+Spoorlaan%2C+Vlietbuurt%2C+The+Hague&data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d4.369624!3d52.063283!2m2!1f260.92!2f82.59!4f25.04!2m7!1e1!2m2!1s3idqYdL7JOTuxC8DqGM5xQ!2e0!5m2!1s3idqYdL7JOTuxC8DqGM5xQ!2e0!4m15!2m14!1m13!1s0x47c5b7026d64b56d%3A0x48c93e104a6eef29!3m8!1m3!1d1006243!2d5.509644!3d52.469397!3m2!1i1366!2i621!4f13.1!4m2!3d52.063184!4d4.36817&fid=5
[18:18] <Maxell> that building is RevSpace, and A12 is block all of the horizon
[18:18] <Maxell> s/block/blocking/
[18:20] <Maxell> PE2G: and still, I haz some blips on the waterfall http://i.imgur.com/IOpFheA.png
[18:20] <x-f> Chetic is from Stockholm (might come in handy later)
[18:23] <Chetic> :D
[18:23] <Chetic> I could do with some tracking practice
[18:24] Action: Maxell is done tracking today
[18:24] <Maxell> have a great float LeoBodnar
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> cheers!
[18:27] <x-f> Chetic, oh, here you are already, hi :)
[18:28] <Chetic> I always have an eye on irc :p
[18:30] <wb8elk> AM-modulated DominoEX16 payload on a 36" mylar solar-powered
[18:30] <wb8elk> 433.92 MHz
[18:30] <x-f> is it solar-only?
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[18:33] <Maxell> wb8elk: callsign?
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> wb8elk: same as last time?
[18:38] <x-f> it would be cool to make a hi-res sped-up animation of the map when a floater is launched - see how the trackers' towers in various countries appear as the radiohorizon gets closer, see all the "receiver" lines you get when you hover the flight path for each point
[18:38] <x-f> add overlays for day and night
[18:38] <x-f> add some music
[18:38] <x-f> ???
[18:38] <x-f> no profit but still fun
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[18:40] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[18:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Leo, another great flight :D
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[18:41] <jcoxon> just need to hand over tracking to the Danes
[18:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Amyone know if DL7AD got any decodes up in the air?
[18:43] <DL7AD> G0TDJ_Steve: no i ran into trouble with my SDR stick.
[18:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's a shame. If it's any consolation, so did I earleir on
[18:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Are you going to try again sometime?
[18:44] <DL7AD> G0TDJ_Steve: yes! of course :)
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0545.JPG
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0546.JPG
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0558.JPG (berlin schonefeld lower approach)
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0559.JPG
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0563.JPG (my university campus in the left corner)
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0600.JPG
[18:44] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de/IMG_0605.JPG
[18:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool images :-)
[18:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lxZKb9K5wQQ
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Japanese vending machine - on-topic.
[18:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Lovely plane
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:46] <DL7AD> SpeedEvil: cool video :D i will take 1000 of them
[18:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL That's great
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[18:48] <LeoBodnar> evening G0TDJ_Steve !
[18:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Leo :D Awesome flight dood!
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[18:50] <mclane> GlobalTuner Dokkum is off now?
[18:50] <jcoxon> oz1sky is rx'ing
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[18:51] <RocketBoy> SpeedEvil: if we could just make launching a HAB that simple
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> I need one of these machines
[18:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> I think it needs to be a bit larger ;-)
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> Red button Hydrogen, Brown - Helium
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> ANd launch them automatically every 4 hours
[18:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Blue - Politician..... Sorry, Hot Air
[18:54] <DL1SGP> like the meteo-sounding auto launchers :)
[18:54] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAhjSviYVr8 - turbine engine blade failure under power test
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[18:55] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, http://vimeo.com/19862362
[18:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Woah SpeedEvil
[18:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Tiny payload. I thought they were larger
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> lol "IS THAT IT?"
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[18:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> Does payload unwinds from the neck as the balloon goes up?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, for Vaisala?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: hi, what current consumes Your TXCO ?
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> Few mA
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: im looking around, and its really hard to find something below 20mA
[18:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> which is huge consumption :-(
[19:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Gotta go for a while, hopefully BBL
[19:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> ..
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> You can switch it off, which is what I want to do in the future
[19:00] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> I've just realised what Leo is actually doing ! He is arranging tracker recuritment flights to all the areas badly covered!
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> cu G0TDJ_Steve
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> lol yes
[19:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes, but it need a time to "recover" stability
[19:01] <mikestir> fsphil: current prediction for tomorrow?
[19:01] <LeoBodnar> 10-20 msec surely is enough
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: is it still Russia ?
[19:02] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok my pico payload for tommorow is ready :-)
[19:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> 20 gram compared to LeoBodnar's is really heavy :-(
[19:07] <LeoBodnar> B-6 was 20 grams and flew for 3 days
[19:07] <DL7AD> balloon handover to denmark ;)
[19:08] <LeoBodnar> Dokkum is a great receiver. Shame they take it offline
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[19:10] <bertrik> just as you were listening?
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[19:12] <LeoBodnar> =CD@
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> It's IC-R9000 so no surprise owners want to use it from time to time
[19:18] <DL1SGP> yeah though Henk is a pretty easy going and fun kind of person :)
[19:19] <DL1SGP> however, time for wine be back in a bit
[19:21] <fsphil> it's difficult ot miss russia
[19:21] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=f2e01ab6229548deab71f0942d37035f2453623f
[19:21] <LeoBodnar> Imagine if you have to!
[19:22] <LeoBodnar> What's your expected groundspeed?
[19:23] <bertrik> oh, OZ1SKY in denmark is already receiving
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> is Bo_DK around? He was building autotracking robot
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> Now is the chance!
[19:25] <mikestir> he's given up
[19:26] <mikestir> and he still has no receiver
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[19:26] <LA3EQ-jan_> nothing heard yet
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> Your time will come LA3EQ-jan_
[19:27] <LA3EQ-jan_> :)
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[19:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: You again miss Poland. You really dont like Poles ;-)
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[19:36] <LeoBodnar> It's a bit harsh! :)
[19:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;-)
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[19:36] <LeoBodnar> B-11 and B-12 went through PL
[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: ant then we meet..
[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: and then we meet..
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> yes
[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> ...and since then...
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[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> ...no B's over Poland
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> where is the live graph?
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> There will be Bs over Poland. We need your tracking stations
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[19:38] <Laurenceb_> i forgot the url
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> forgot or lost lol?
[19:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> conclusions suggest themselves ;-)
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/08eccab801a092e3e82ebe6ab6735dea#g/temperature_internal,altitude,battery
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL ;-)
[19:39] <Laurenceb_> thanks
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[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> someone can approve flightdoc: f0a48144b5166f386d37606c59dc8f80 please ?
[19:48] <LA3EQ-jan_> hearing B-15!
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> well done LA3EQ-jan_
[19:49] <^ph_DK> frekvens ?
[19:49] <PE2G> LA3EQ-jan_: Congrats!
[19:51] <PE2G> ^ph_DK: 434.500.7 MHz, cursor 1095 Hz
[19:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> what is dial frequency for B-15? I want to try planescatter ;-)
[19:51] <LA3EQ-jan_> a tad over 434.500
[19:51] <^ph_DK> ty
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[20:03] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: rofl...
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[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> where can you buy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> I think it was crap
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[20:12] <LeoBodnar> Surely you can build one with LiFePO4s and AC servo motor. 250W is tiny
[20:12] <enkidu> 250W is like electric bike
[20:13] <enkidu> but electric bike is little more usable
[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> LeoBodnar, after following your recent flights, I'm not quite interested in how a very long lasting power supply can be created. I understand you used solar panels; do you think there's a way of getting these payloads to last weeks or months as opposed to days?
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> bit random but I'm interested :)
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> I'm quite*
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> I can't see why not. If more than few weeks required then better batteries can be used - LiFePO4s and such
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> thanks LeoBodnar :)
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> And even NiCds
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> So why hasn't somebody done one already that lasts so long?
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> or have they
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> Big guys did
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> ah
[20:16] <mfa298> Leo's might have lasted weeks - we ran out of listeners on a couple
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> ah yes
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> So you think it's possible for somebody on here to make a round the world HAB flight?
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: Basically - it's 'easy'.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> For limited values of easy.
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> After it's lost it is difficult to regain contact
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> First - you have to get a suitable envelope.
[20:17] <SpeedEvil> Once that's done, it's pretty straightforward.
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> definitely possible
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> Cool, so in essence we need more listeners on here
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: I did a rough ballpark estimate.
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> For about 20000-50000 pounds, we could get a global worldwide comms network.
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> 2 weeks around the world in possible.
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> wow, that's expensive
[20:18] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: That is - able to route messages globally between balloons.
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: yeah - that's several thousand balloons though
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> yea
[20:19] <PB0NER> hi guy's
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> Hi PB0NER
[20:19] <SpeedEvil> It's remarkably cheap for what it is though.
[20:19] <LeoBodnar> No messing around. Inject into a jet-stream. Wait on the other end. Boom. Done.
[20:20] <PB0NER> was checking for the RPi flight this weekend
[20:20] <PB0NER> might be able to get b-15
[20:20] <DL1SGP> goedenavond martijn
[20:21] <Upu> You're certainly doing a good job of expanding the network LeoBodnar :)
[20:21] <PB0NER> Guten Tag, DL15GP... Felix as I remember it right
[20:21] <DL1SGP> Indeed :)
[20:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.iridium.com/products/Iridium-9603.aspx
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> Keep pushing balloons into the sky on this end until they start coming from the West :D
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> http://www.iridium.com/products/Iridium9602.aspx
[20:22] <PB0NER> Freq of B-15 anyone?
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Moderately teeny.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> 30g or so
[20:22] <PB0NER> intersted to see If I can receive it.
[20:22] <SpeedEvil> Not very cheap - but not horribly expensive
[20:23] <PE2G> PB0NER: 434.500.7 MHz cursor 1100 Hz
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> It's only another half of the globe that needs expanding, you seem to cover this hemisphere alright, Upu
[20:23] <PB0NER> PE2G, THX
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[20:25] <ibanezmatt13> what's the best way for me to make a website for NORB? I've never made one
[20:27] <Upu> use the UKHAS Wiki if you want
[20:27] <Upu> make a projects page
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[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> I could do that I guess. But I kinda fancy my own
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> evening Upu
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> happy to see your store opened again
[20:28] <Upu> evening Lunar
[20:28] <Upu> yes limited service :)
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:29] <ibanezmatt13> in fact, yeah I will do that Upu. May I have credentials to access the Wiki?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> did you see the Micro Men movie of the BBC?
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> I assume you did
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:31] <Upu> whats your account name ibanezmatt13 ?
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> erm, not sure what that is. ibanezmatt13?
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[20:31] <PB0NER> hmm I do hear it.. if I only had budget for a pre-amp...
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah when we are about the wiki
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about a "UKHAS Abroad" section?
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> I think there are several people who could be in for "UKHAS NL" and "UKHAS Germany" at least
[20:33] <ibanezmatt13> good idea
[20:34] <x-f> franchise
[20:34] <PB0NER> YEAH count me in for NL!!
[20:34] <PB0NER> NLHAS
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:35] <PB0NER> Lunar_Lander: you would need to start-up UKHAS-Moon...
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:35] <PB0NER> low Helium bills
[20:35] <ibanezmatt13> Rockets!
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> EUHAS
[20:37] <x-f> we have people from Australia and US
[20:37] <x-f> and NZ
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> EARTHHAS
[20:37] <x-f> yes
[20:37] <DL1SGP> GLOBALHAS!
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> Martians can have their own
[20:37] <mfa298> someone will have to start registering the country equivalents of ukhas.org.uk and point at the same wiki
[20:37] <mfa298> might get expensive quickly though
[20:37] <arko> haha
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:38] <Upu> WWHAS.ORG should do it
[20:38] <arko> MILKYHAS
[20:38] <DL1SGP> and on another planet they gonna get the domain ihasuran.us
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:38] <PB0NER> mehasuran.us too...
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> is it not galaxynear.us.milkyway
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> lol
[20:39] <arko> .mil for milkyway!
[20:39] <arko> oh wait
[20:39] <PB0NER> well what is the same about startrek and tolet paper?
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> ihasuran sounds like lolcatz
[20:40] <PB0NER> toilet i mean
[20:40] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> It always ends?
[20:41] <andy_n> Hi Upu, can you approve flight docs for PSB, 695b7ebe12555c8d7712bc88285247d1?
[20:43] <Upu> done it
[20:43] <andy_n> thanks
[20:43] <arko> for you uk people http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OvoFjirrgYA
[20:43] <Upu> or someone has
[20:43] <andy_n> we are just trying out solar PICO in Australia
[20:44] <andy_n> inspired by LeoBonar :)
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:44] <Upu> oh hey Andy
[20:44] <Upu> sorry just put two and two togethe r:)
[20:45] <andy_n> Hi Upu
[20:45] <Upu> Make sure you check the bottom of the box I sent
[20:45] <Upu> there are two PCB's in there
[20:45] <WillTablet> Hi Upu
[20:45] <Upu> hi Will
[20:46] <DL1SGP> Hi Upu, glad to see you were able to re-open and hope you are still recovering well
[20:46] <WillTablet> I went bowling avec my french correspondent, 'twas awesome
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[20:46] <andy_n> Upu: will do. Your 7C is flying today
[20:46] <Upu> cool
[20:46] <Upu> thanks DL1SGP
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> http://rockblock.rock7mobile.com/?page_id=103
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> 159 quid - that's not bad
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> wasn't that the original price of the ZX Spectrum?
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:47] <SpeedEvil> ^satellite modem
[20:47] <andy_n> I tested one of these RockBlock
[20:47] <Upu> I put a 5S and board in there andy_n but also put a MAX based board in there too
[20:48] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/2uC1PPa.jpg
[20:48] <WillTablet> I've finally stood up to my parents and done my top button up, clicked my fingers in a z formation when they told me not to and there's nothing they can do about it.
[20:48] <andy_n> Upu: thank you
[20:48] <Upu> makes a nice NTP server
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> For all your bowling needs: The Big Lebowski
[20:49] <andy_n> I like the look of the NTPi board! Been hanging by trackers with wires to the Pi to get PPS signal but that is messy
[20:50] <Upu> yeah it just clips in job done
[20:50] <andy_n> by->my
[20:50] <Upu> going to start selling them when I can solder again
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> Looks like it wants several minutes * 90mA to boot and transmit
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> andy_n: have you got links or photos?
[20:51] <andy_n> Hi LeoBodnar, any last minute advices on our solar PICO? We only manage to keep the weight to ~16g. Launch in 4 hours
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Don't change anything in the last 4 hours. :D
[20:52] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[20:52] <andy_n> Haha good advice!
[20:52] <andy_n> Will put a photo up now
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[20:55] <PB0NER> Upu, am I wrong of where you suposed to let a RPi go this weekend?
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> watch out for solar panels - they are so brittle. I usually break end up replacing them by the time it's ready to launch
[20:56] <WillTablet> What's the point of an ntp server? Don't the us government host them anyway?
[20:57] <PB0NER> I am about to plan my weekend
[20:57] <andy_n> Here is our PICO http://projectspaceballoon.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/20131005-065645.jpg
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[20:58] <andy_n> LeoBodnar: We use a powerfilm this time, so it is quite flexible
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> Dokkum receiver is fantastic! Is the owner pointing antenna at B-15? It's on the edge of the horizon and still receiving great
[20:58] <arko> ooo nice
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> Ah, you are OK then
[20:58] <WillTablet> PB0NER do people not take offense at you callsign?
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> Looks like a prawn / shrimp!
[20:59] <andy_n> the panel is huge :)
[20:59] <andy_n> 3.5g
[20:59] <PB0NER> WillTablet: not really... I choos it to show I'm a clown
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> If it does its job then it's good
[21:00] <PB0NER> does not really mean anything in dutch
[21:01] <WillTablet> LeoBodnar reminds me for my French homework I had to come up with a menu in French. I got the quote from forrest gump ("shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes") and put it in a menu and translated it into french
[21:02] <mfa298> WillTablet: chances are the US government have shut them down this week.
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[21:02] <WillTablet> Still up.
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[21:03] <mfa298> there are many reasons to run a local ntp server if you have several machines and keeping them in time is important.
[21:03] <WillTablet> NISTs website is pretty much down, their servers are up
[21:03] <mfa298> some protocols (like nfs) don't like it if times are different.
[21:04] <mfa298> same with various client/server authentication systems.
[21:04] <PB1DFT> w00t w00t...
[21:04] <Lunar_Lander> yeah and NASA too
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[21:05] <arko> :/ making it hard for some people to work
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> LA3EQ-jan_: are you hearing B-15?
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[21:12] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/13051_trj001.gif
[21:12] <Upu> going to need some Russian friends
[21:14] <LeoBodnar> and Finnish too
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[21:17] <x-f> CopyRight, a balloon is heading your way
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> every time I hear finland, I think of the town of Vantaa
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> who knows why?
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> Cause this is where the Helsinki airport is
[21:19] <Upu> good luck anyway night all
[21:19] <x-f> a week ago he said he's from Vaasa, which conviently is on the predicted flight path
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> good night Upu !
[21:19] <x-f> good night, Upu
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[21:19] <PB0NER> good night Upu
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[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> night Upu
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, yeah, and Vaisala HQ
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> :)
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> I like Helsinki, lovely city
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, we forgot something
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[21:21] <LeoBodnar> What's that?
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> HAPPY BIRTHDAY SPUTNIK!
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> Indeed! Lol http://history.nasa.gov/index.html
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah xD
[21:22] <LeoBodnar> B-15 tries impersonating Sputnik
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:25] <arko> LeoBodnar: this sucks
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[21:26] <LeoBodnar> arko: this what?
[21:26] <arko> nasa sites are down :/
[21:26] <LeoBodnar> yeah, a bit below belt...
[21:26] <LeoBodnar> I hope they won't turn GPS off
[21:27] <arko> hahahaha
[21:28] <jcoxon> good work LeoBodnar
[21:29] <LeoBodnar> cheers!
[21:29] <PB0NER> GPS is militairy
[21:30] <arko> wow those winds don't feel like changing their mind
[21:30] <PB0NER> even though they have no money, WAR MUST GO ON!!
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> This is even less reassuring PB0NER
[21:30] <mfa298> wow, that's an incredibly straight line from B-15
[21:30] <PB0NER> 3rd world country, with clowns at the wheel
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[21:37] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, looking at the altitude graph
[21:37] <enkidu> LeoBodnar: we will make better GPS!
[21:37] <enkidu> with whisky
[21:37] <enkidu> and hookers
[21:37] <jcoxon> what caused the slight drop in float altitude
[21:38] <jcoxon> being over the sea?
[21:38] <LeoBodnar> at what time?
[21:38] <PB0NER> when not in daylight the baloons shrink a bit
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[21:39] <LeoBodnar> 17:00UTCish was the sunset
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[21:40] <LeoBodnar> So supertemperature dropped, superpressure dropped, elvelope shrunk, system density increased and pressure altitude dropped
[21:41] <SP3OSJ> nono
[21:41] <SP3OSJ> no
[21:41] <PB0NER> right after sunrise it will gu up the same bit as it dropped
[21:41] <LeoBodnar> Coincidently it reached the sea at the top of the ascent so transition was a bit sharp.
[21:42] <LeoBodnar> I thought it vented Helium but luckily it was ok
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[21:52] <Mik_WD8MNV> it's heading for Ikea
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[21:58] <LeoBodnar> well done LA3EQ-jan_
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> Hand-over from Netherlands to Norway
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[22:06] <Rebounde1> Mik_WD8MNV: you are right, Ikea outside Gävle is on the path
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[22:06] <Rebounde1> and I should get an antenna up...
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[22:07] <PB0NER> I'm off for today...
[22:13] <DL7AD_> good night PB0NER
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw
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[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> who of you likes METAL?
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Platinum is quite nice but I don't like Gold
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, couldn't resist as I walked by the monitor....
[22:15] <LeoBodnar> gn PB0NER
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> Metal Night on german radio
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.hr-online.de/website/radio/hr3/index.jsp
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[22:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks but I'll go for the Ambient/Chillout channel
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:16] <LeoBodnar> good choice G0TDJ_Steve :D
[22:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Leo ;-)
[22:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still B15 travels...
[22:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> I hope it is still being tracked when I wake up tomorrow.
[22:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyway, I'm off too - Good night HAB Peeps :-)
[22:17] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
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[22:21] <LA3EQ-jan_> nice decodes
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[22:22] <LeoBodnar> do you have vertical antenna polarisation?
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[22:25] <LA3EQ-jan_> B-15 is on 434.499,62MHz here noe.-
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[22:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> im off - night all
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[22:26] <LA3EQ-jan_> going toi bed, have moved antenna beam east, south east...hope it will receive while i go to sleep ....good night all
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[22:27] <x-f> good night
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[22:32] <Laurenceb_> http://www.jetpower.co.uk/c5home.htm
[22:44] <Steffan-> Trolleys .. perfect fit for Laurenceb_
[22:47] <LeoBodnar> holy cow
[22:47] <SpeedEvil> somewhat silly
[22:47] <LeoBodnar> good night LA3EQ-jan_
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[23:04] <Rebounde1> night here too, two radios up and running with bad and a worse antenna. :/ usb-cable seems broke
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[23:07] <LeoBodnar> good night Rebounde1
[23:09] <Lunar_Lander> night Rebounder
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, another great flight it seems
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> now officially reached Denmark
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> Yeah! crossed the sea :)
[23:16] <DL7AD_> good night
[23:22] <fsphil> lower float this time LeoBodnar
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:23] <Lunar_Lander> night DL7AD_
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> yeah, not sure why. THis is new balloons batch and also some old 2007 Helium tank
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> But it's ok as it is very cold at 9100
[23:24] <fsphil> yea
[23:24] <fsphil> that last one handled it well though
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> Maybe it will stretch more tomorrow
[23:25] <fsphil> gives more room for stretch this
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> However at that latitude sun is lower
[23:27] <fsphil> fewer trackers too sadly
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> I want netted latex floater!
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> lol
[23:27] <fsphil> I've a 100g balloon here I'm gonna try a net with
[23:28] <LeoBodnar> But got no nets, no latex and no H2
[23:28] <fsphil> I'll be using He for this
[23:29] <fsphil> I've burnt my finger on a vreg. annoying
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[23:30] <Lunar_Lander> vreg on max current?
[23:30] <fsphil> yea
[23:30] <fsphil> 12v > 5v
[23:30] <fsphil> lots of heat
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:36] <Lunar_Lander> had that on an arduino Uno + 12 V wall wart
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[23:53] <Laurenceb_> not as bad as the nex x86 arduino
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> *new
[23:53] <arko> garbage
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> 3A
[23:53] <enkidu> x86? arduino? for what? windows xp??
[23:54] <fsphil> you can't run windows on it, it has no video
[23:55] <fsphil> unless there's a way to run that headless?
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> headless windows xp
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> http://arduino.cc/en/ArduinoCertified/IntelGalileo
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> Is there an actual price for it?
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> And alternatively - can you get the parts for building your own?
[23:57] <Laurenceb_> seems unlikely
[23:57] <Laurenceb_> heh designed in ireland
[23:57] <Laurenceb_> we can blame fsphil
[23:58] <fsphil> damn, you caught me
[23:58] <enkidu> Laurenceb_: you can use minipcie to pcie reiser and run GPU with this thing
[23:58] <Laurenceb_> lolz
[23:59] <fsphil> the rs232-level serial on the 3.5 jack plug is just a mad choice
[23:59] <fsphil> stick a header on there and keep it ttl
[00:00] --- Sat Oct 5 2013