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[01:43] <DL7AD> morning
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[04:03] <heathkid> morning DL7AD
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[07:17] <Hix> ping leo
[07:17] <Hix> hmmm
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[08:19] <PE9PE-Rob> Can anybody tell me why we still see WGGS1, WGGS1B and WGGS-1 Chase still on the map, because they were found yesterday?
[08:21] <Hix> the map gets manually cleared a while after, to allow people to grab data for their flights
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[08:23] <PE9PE-Rob> @ Hix Thank you
[08:23] <Hix> yo Babs
[08:28] <Babs> yo yo Hix. London CNC - ever heard of them?
[08:28] <Upu> PE9PE-Rob clearing is a manual process and I haven't done it yet
[08:28] <Hix> are they a CNC company based in London Babs?
[08:28] <Upu> as they may want to take screen shots etc
[08:28] <Babs> They are. Clver Hix.
[08:29] <Babs> *Clever.
[08:29] <Upu> generally I'll leave stuff on there until the next launch
[08:29] <Hix> not heard of them :)
[08:29] <Babs> 2-D CNC so fairly primitive. £100 per hour charge out rate for their machine.
[08:29] <Babs> which i think is more than enough time to get my stuff cut, making the cost between 50 and 100. Can't see that I will get a lot cheaper.
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[08:31] <Hix> Babs from looking at their site - they aren't going to be much use for small precision machining of CFRP
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[08:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning Guys
[08:32] <Hix> Babs this could be well worth a shot http://www.cnczone.com/forums/uk_rfqs/
[08:32] <Hix> mornin G0TDJ_Steve
[08:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Adrian :-)
[08:33] Action: G0TDJ_Steve Thinks 'Thursday already...
[08:35] <mfa298> I could never get the hang of Thursdays
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[08:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> A few minutes later the planet Earth is destroyed
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[08:37] <M6GTG_Andrew> Morning Steve
[08:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Andy :-)
[08:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Your mate Nigel is very insistent LOL
[08:38] <M6GTG_Andrew> Oh yes, going to be interesting project that
[08:38] <Hix> Babs try this email psolman@ymail.com
[08:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's good he's so enthusiastic. You should try and get him in here so he can pick up a few tips
[08:39] <Babs> Hix - why do you say that?
[08:39] <Babs> I hpined and he said it was doable, is he spinning me one?
[08:39] <Hix> "I have a dedicated machine for cutting pre preg carbon parts. I have 2mm 3mm carbon in stock but if you want to free issue no probs"
[08:40] <Hix> Babs the place in london doesn't really look like a place that normally does "engineering" stuff to me imho
[08:40] <M6GTG_Andrew> I think if he can get some sponsorship it might be a good project, wants to have pictures tx etc
[08:40] <Babs> ok, thanks. who is psolman dude?
[08:41] <Babs> and is that ymail or gmail with a finger slippage?
[08:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> He definitely needs to chat to the guys in here then. For the imaging anyway
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[08:41] <mattltm> Morning all :)
[08:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good morning mattltm
[08:42] <mattltm> Hi Steve :)
[08:43] <M6GTG_Andrew> I have been pencilled in as the resident expert (if I join the club)
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[08:43] Action: G0TDJ_Steve wonders how his boards are doing at Hackvana
[08:43] <Hix> Babs on that cnc forum ho popped up and has done CFRP in the past it seems
[08:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's cool Andy. Instant appeal LOL
[08:44] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve have you had confirmation from Mitch?
[08:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, they're in fabrication
[08:44] <M6GTG_Andrew> I didi also mention my day job is working with embedded software and PICs - lol
[08:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good stuff Andy, maybe you can help me tidy up the code
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[08:48] <M6GTG_Andrew> cool blog btw Steve and nice new twitter account ;-) no sure about that helping with the code John Graham-Cumming's talk was a little close to home ;-)
[08:48] <M6GTG_Andrew> sorry seem to be in dyslexic mode today
[08:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL :-) Thanks, I'm trying to document my HAB stuff for me so I have a reference and anyone else who wants to have a bash.
[08:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> It takes me a long time to type a line cos of all the corrections I do :D
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[08:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Ugi
[08:52] <Ugi> morning
[08:53] <Ugi> Looks like the WGGS launch went well yesterday
[08:53] <Babs> ok, cool thanks. is Lomach Lee suitable?
[08:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, it was a little over the horizon for me behind a hill but I managed to receive it for about 20mins - It was safely recovered
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[08:54] <Babs> hix - from Solman dude http://blog.networkedsolutions.co.uk/?m=201208 - looks exactly what I need
[08:55] <Hix> Babs ker-ching!!
[08:56] <Babs> is that email address right? looks weird
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[08:59] <Hix> yahoo mail
[08:59] <Hix> taking on gmail
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[09:00] <Babs> ahh, ok. ta
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[09:23] <Ugi> In case anyone is interested in a 90-second trip to 38Km, a quick-fire slideshow of the ToGo1 flight is now on flickr: http://flic.kr/p/gjzH3c
[09:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Some fantastic images there Ugi I love
[09:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> I love the minimal burst one
[09:30] <Ugi> Yes, I assume the white flecks are bits of flying latex
[09:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> I would think so. Are you going to publish the images individually too?
[09:32] <Ugi> There are some choice images in that flickr set but I was not planning on putting up all 220 that went into the side-show, just because of the upload time it would take - they are 16MP images at about 5-6MB each
[09:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh yeah, just the best
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[10:32] <Martin_G4FUI> Nice photostream Ugi - I find the telemetry graphs very interesting too, especially the temp vs altitude one . . .
[10:33] <Ugi> Thanks - and yes, it's interesting how much less smooth the outside temperature is than the inside - I wonder whether that relates to periods when the sensor is in and out of the sun.
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> http://what-if.xkcd.com/64/ was rather easy for me due to this channel
[10:34] <Ugi> You can also clearly see the tropopause at around 12km - just about where it should be!
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[10:38] <daveake> reassuring :p
[10:38] <Upu> you have some great pics Ugi
[10:38] <Upu> congrats on the launch
[10:39] <eroomde> when i hear techno now (trying it out for coding) i also in a sort of pavlovian way also subconciously here the bosh bosh bosh of a room full of people running on treadmills
[10:39] <Martin_G4FUI> Yes, it looks like a solar gain artefact, and the interenal temp shows nicely how well your insulation was working
[10:39] <eroomde> as the gym is the only other context in which I'm usually exposed to this guff
[10:39] <eroomde> missed the photostream Ugi - can you relink?
[10:41] <daveake> http://flic.kr/p/gjzH3c
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[10:43] <eroomde> watch it along with the theme tune from Un homme et une femme
[10:43] <Ugi> sorry - AFK for a moment there. Thanks all
[10:43] <eroomde> it sort of works
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[10:48] <Ugi> I thought it was interesting to see how effective the foam is at insulating the payload - internal temp' stayed well above freezing even when it was -40'C outside
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[10:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks for the plug M6GTG_Andrew :-)
[10:59] <M6GTG_Andrew> No problem Steve ;-)
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[11:40] <PE2G> Good afternoon, I'll be tracking the KNMI ozone sonde: http://pe2gradiosonde.funpic.org/js/ (sorry for the ad at the site) Lauch in a few mins time.
[11:40] <PE2G> *Launch
[11:42] <malgar> doesn't it use habhub?
[11:43] <PE2G> No, it's a met office sounding
[11:44] <malgar> ok
[11:45] Nick change: HixLunch -> Hix
[11:45] <craag> It would be good to have an snus-like system for met balloons.
[11:45] <craag> But maybe a free decoder first!
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[11:46] <PE2G> Some delay due to ozone detector interface problems, launch should have happened at 11:30 UTC
[11:47] <mfa298> if someone did some open source software for the met balloons it would probably be easy to put the data into habitat, although at that point we probably would want to be able to seperate out HAB/Testing/Met on snus
[11:48] <PE2G> It took Bev from COAA more than a year to crack the Vaisala telemetry
[11:49] <craag> I thought it was 9600 MFSK?
[11:49] <craag> sorry MSK
[11:49] <malgar> does somebody of you use SDR on linux?
[11:49] <craag> malgar: a bit
[11:50] <malgar> I tried sdrsharp using mono but it seems that an intel i3 isn't enough
[11:50] <mfa298> I'd guess some of the issue is cracking what data they send back into something useful.
[11:50] <PE0SAT> malgar: Yes
[11:50] <malgar> what do you use?
[11:50] <craag> yeah that's not recommended, use gqrx
[11:50] <PE0SAT> malgar: Take a look at gqrx
[11:51] <malgar> craag: ok tnx.. let's take a look
[11:51] <craag> If you use debian/ubuntu, there's a ppa
[11:51] <malgar> fedora
[11:51] <malgar> do I need to compile it?
[11:51] <craag> yeah you will then
[11:51] <craag> http://gqrx.dk/download
[11:52] <mfa298> malgar: talk to fsphil as he's already done some of the work on fedora.
[11:52] <PE0SAT> Look at the webpage from gqrx.dk
[11:52] <malgar> fsphil: are you there? :) I would need your help :P
[11:53] <mfa298> depending on which version of fedora you've got I've made some rpms for gnu-radio and dl-fldigi - I just need to find out how to do some of the other bits
[11:53] <mfa298> my rpms are fc18 but I can probably role some out for fc19 fairly easily.
[11:53] <PE2G> craag: GFSK
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[11:53] <malgar> I would like to setup a receiving station from Alps..
[11:54] <malgar> fedora 19
[11:54] <malgar> mfa298: they would be really useful. Where could I download them?
[11:55] <mfa298> I'll need to sort something out.
[11:55] <malgar> ok.. let me know, thank you
[11:55] <craag> PE2G: Ah cool. Would be interesting to give demodulating it a go.
[11:55] <mfa298> so far I've only done fc18 as that's what I use but I should be able to create some fc19 rpms
[11:56] <PE2G> Ozone sonde is up
[11:56] <malgar> gnu-radio, dl-fldigi and even gqrx?
[11:56] <mfa298> I've not looked at gqrx yet so I'm not sure what bits are needed - but I think you may need a recent gnuradio
[11:56] <malgar> ok
[11:56] <craag> PE2G: Do you have any good audio recordings of the signal (decent snr)?
[11:57] <mfa298> I should be able to do dl-fldigi and gnuradio 3.7 easily - I need to look at the gqrx and sdr bits - I've not got that far yet and it's been on the bottom of my todo list as it's been easier to boot windows.
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[11:58] <PE2G> craag: I should have a few recordings. I could also send you some raw data
[11:58] <malgar> mfa298: ok tnx, in the meanwhile I try to compile them
[12:00] <mfa298> malgar: if you find any good instructions for gqrx let me know
[12:01] <craag> PE2G: Great, I'm not saying I could take a look any time soon, but would be good to collect resources at some point and see what we can do.
[12:01] <malgar> mfa298: I doubt.. I'm not an expert at all in compiling and/or building packages
[12:01] <malgar> usually I follow the instructions I find on the web
[12:02] <PE2G> Graag: Nice. I just discovered that I don't have audio recordings from the Vaisala RS92-SGP, but I'm recording now :)
[12:03] <mfa298> malgar: that's what I meant, if you found and good instructions for compiling etc let me know as that could help in creating packages.
[12:04] <malgar> is possible to decode readable data from those sondes?
[12:04] <malgar> mfa298: ok
[12:05] <PE2G> craag: 2 minutes of audio is 25 MB as a WAV rec. I'll make a 4 min recording.
[12:07] Nick change: zarya_ -> zarya
[12:07] <PE0SAT> Use the following script to build gnuradio http://www.sbrac.org/files/build-gnuradio and afterwards compile gqrx
[12:08] <PE0SAT> gqrx needs a couple of dependencies with the qt suite
[12:09] <PE0SAT> This script works on Fedora and Ubuntu/Debian
[12:10] <mfa298> I've got a spec file for fedora and gnuradio 3.7 which makes life really easy to compile that
[12:10] <mfa298> I just hadn't done fc19 as I don't have it on anything yet (apart from a build machine)
[12:10] <PE0SAT> mfa298: The script does it al for you
[12:11] <PE2G> craag: here's 4 mins of RS92-SGP audio (40 MB) : http://fwestra.home.xs4all.nl/UPL/RS92-SGP.wav
[12:11] <mfa298> the spec file does as well and means I don't have to put a compiler on every machine I want to test it on.
[12:11] <PE0SAT> Not familiar with Fedora
[12:12] <fsphil> malgar: not around properly atm, but I do have some rpms for fedora
[12:12] <fsphil> however I've been having a *lot* of trouble decoding anything with gqrx at the moment
[12:12] <fsphil> there may be issues
[12:12] <mfa298> the spec file is the set of compile instructions to create a package file so you can easily install and check dependancies
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[12:13] <craag> PE2G: Not nearly as nice a sound as RTTY! Thanks for that, I'll try putting it through gnuradio at some point and see what I can get.
[12:13] <mfa298> fsphil: he's more up to date than us (fc19) - although I was just going to fun rpmbuild on the spec file you did for gnuradio for fc19.
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[12:15] <PE2G> craag: OK. After landing I can send you raw and decoded data from this flight
[12:15] <mfa298> fsphil: I kept meaning to ask, can you chuck your updated gr-fcdproplus spec up somewhere again - I don't think I saved it last time (no rush)
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[12:16] <fsphil> mfa298: sure, remind me later though
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[12:17] <mfa298> will do.
[12:19] <craag> PE2G: That'd be great. I'm not promising I can get anything, but I'll see..
[12:20] <PE2G> craag: Of course, but it would be great if there was an alternative to SondeMonitor
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[12:35] <PE2G> Alas, the tracker map won't update, positions and speeds are shown in top bar though
[12:37] <M6GTG_Andrew> just tried to install SondeMonitor and seems to think I have used it for -47 days already so won't run!
[12:38] <PE2G> M6GTG_Andrew: Strange, you haven't tried it before?
[12:39] <Hix> Babs any positive news?
[12:39] <M6GTG_Andrew> Nope, not SondeMonitor have tried other COAA programs, so assume it is that
[12:40] <PE2G> M6GTG_Andrew: And your pc system date is correct?
[12:41] <M6GTG_Andrew> yes time and date correct, runs a NTP client for WSPR
[12:43] <fsphil> who'll be first to launch it? http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/03/intel-arduino-galileo
[12:43] <M6GTG_Andrew> I suppose it is possible I have tried it in the past, this PC is ancient and my memory is failing but I archive all my 'downloads' and it wasn't in there
[12:43] <M6GTG_Andrew> oh well.. getting hungry
[12:43] Nick change: M6GTG_Andrew -> M6GTG_Andrew_AFK
[12:53] <fsphil> hehe, you can run windows on it. oh dear
[12:56] <Ugi> If they want to make it DIY-friendly, they should make a DIL packaged version!
[12:56] <mfa298> hmmm, win8 on a 400MHz chip could be interesting.
[12:56] <daveake> "run" sounds a bit optimistic
[12:57] <mfa298> would probably run 3.11 nicely
[12:58] <Ugi> what in hell does "software compatible with the Arduino shield ecosystem" mean?
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[12:58] <mfa298> hardware compatible would make more sense
[12:58] <Ugi> I agree
[12:59] <fsphil> would win8 even run with 512mb ram?
[12:59] <Ugi> Guess it's just written/edited by someone who didn't understand what they were saying
[12:59] <Ugi> I can't imagine so.
[12:59] <Hix> Vista struggles with 1Gb
[12:59] <mfa298> I suppose there's the tablet version but then that's not intel based.
[13:00] <Hix> XP struggles with 512
[13:00] <fsphil> 256Mb even
[13:00] <fsphil> it has 512k of SRAM, 256M DRAM
[13:00] <mfa298> win95 ftw!
[13:00] <Hix> NT4 ;p
[13:00] <fsphil> haven't found a price for it
[13:00] <fsphil> if it's cheaper than the Pi then it might be interesting
[13:01] <Ugi> can't possibly be cheaper than a pi, surely
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[13:01] <mfa298> last time I tried installing NT4 I hit the great catch22 of needing a newer browser to get sp6 and needed sp6 to get a newer browser
[13:01] <Hix> based on other arduino board prices I'm guessing no way near
[13:01] <daveake> At least Win95 didn't think that every single serial device on the planet is actually a Microsoft Serial Ballpoint Mouse
[13:01] <fsphil> haha
[13:02] <Hix> thats not annoying daveake its endearing
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[13:02] <fsphil> it's a feature
[13:02] <daveake> Not when it does it at random times
[13:02] <mfa298> will be interesting to see what hardware you've got access to (how many uart's does it have)
[13:02] <daveake> Like the day after I leave site
[13:02] <Ugi> I tried an Adafruit GPS & windows thought that was a mouse. Madness
[13:02] <Hix> what was the method for permanently killing that
[13:03] <gonzo___> it probably points somewhere
[13:03] <Hix> there was one but i lost the link
[13:03] <fsphil> it has two uarts I think
[13:03] <gonzo___> a mouse going at 8-0mph on the M1 ?
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> Ugi: Well - to be fair - it is a location sensing device - much like a mouse.
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> Do you jump up and down to doubleclick?
[13:03] <fsphil> the datasheet seems to suggest one is 3.3v ttl, the other is RS232 voltages
[13:03] <Hix> drive to the start button
[13:03] <fsphil> https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-21831
[13:04] <eroomde> usually this mous bollocks is because most people have decided to use the HID (human interface device) class drivers
[13:04] <fsphil> "3.5mm jack" .. oh dear
[13:04] <eroomde> it's sort of the least bad fit of all the usb modes
[13:04] <eroomde> for a lot of these devices
[13:04] <Ugi> There was an article on EMSL where someone had controlled their painting 'bot using a car - not GPS I don't think - maybe that's the way forward for human/computer interaction
[13:04] <eroomde> USB is a bit of a pig though
[13:05] <daveake> No, it's Windows just seeing something on COM1 that passes its test* for whether it's a mouse or not
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[13:05] <daveake> * The word test is pushing it a bit
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[13:05] <fsphil> it does it for USB serial devices too
[13:05] <Hix> so it's only on COM1?
[13:05] <daveake> indeed
[13:05] <fsphil> we had a USB card reader detected as a mouse
[13:05] <daveake> No not only com1
[13:06] <Hix> didn't think I'd had iton COM1
[13:06] <Hix> it on
[13:06] <fsphil> it made the mouse move randomly every 10 seconds or so
[13:06] <PE2G> Ozone sonde had a burst below 25 km. Not good.
[13:06] <fsphil> maybe they used a Pawan?
[13:06] <daveake> I've used various FTDI and other USB-RS232 converters, and if the device you connect that to sends stuff without being requested (e.g. it's a GPS or a weighing platform) then you've got arandom chance of Windows installing a mouse driver and locking out that port
[13:07] <fsphil> and it's a massive pain convincing it otherwise
[13:07] <daveake> right-click the "mouse" and disable
[13:07] <Ugi> eroomde - as GPS wiz, do you have any idea why I might have been getting a report that the GPS was not locked on my flight, even though it had 12+ sat's and was finding position fine?
[13:07] <daveake> assuming you still have control over the real mouse :p
[13:07] <fsphil> sorta :)
[13:08] <fsphil> it was like a drunk simulator
[13:08] <fsphil> it would give you a short window and then as soon as you tried clicking something, the mouse was elsewhere
[13:08] <daveake> hah
[13:08] <fsphil> had to remove the card reader
[13:09] <daveake> you can unlpug the serial device at that point
[13:09] <daveake> there you go :)
[13:09] <fsphil> I don't remember it being as easy as disabling the mouse
[13:09] <eroomde> Ugi, nope! what is the reporting logic?
[13:09] <eroomde> and which gps did you use?
[13:09] <Ugi> well, I think that may be it - it was a UBLOX max 6 on one of UPU's breakouts, but I was using the flag reported from tinyGPS
[13:09] <daveake> fsphil It's always been that way for me, when Windows thinks a weighing platform is a mouse
[13:10] <daveake> Problem is it's random when it first makes the mistake. Sometimes it only happens after I leave site :/
[13:10] Action: daveake has an idea
[13:10] <Ugi> The thing is it usually worked fine. Only saw that once in testing.
[13:10] <daveake> Buy a real serial mouse
[13:10] <eroomde> i've no idea about tinyGPS I'm afriad
[13:10] <eroomde> never touched it
[13:10] <fsphil> you can't buy new serial mice anymore
[13:11] <daveake> An old one will do
[13:11] <daveake> I've probably thrown one out
[13:11] <fsphil> yea. we had to hit ebay to replace an old one
[13:11] <fsphil> one of those old PCs that's embedded into a machine
[13:11] <PE2G> Descending with 26 m/s at 16 km. Parachute bad as well...
[13:11] <daveake> I'll go looking in the garage. I may be some time
[13:11] <fsphil> 386 or something, no usb ports
[13:11] <Ugi> yes, I should probably have written a parser myself but it seemed to work fine and I think lots of people have used it without reporting this issue.
[13:11] <daveake> If I find one I'll repackage the electronics :)
[13:12] <mfa298> I'm useless at throwing stuff out I think I still have a 3 button serial mouse - as well as several ps/2 mice
[13:12] <Ugi> So I wondered whether it was a known issue or a GPS setting or something I was obviously missing
[13:12] <fsphil> I'm tempted to make a PS/2 > Serial interface :)
[13:12] <fsphil> should be simple enough
[13:12] <fsphil> probably a waste of time though
[13:12] <mfa298> I think you used to get them as adapters with early ps/2 mice
[13:13] <mfa298> probably needs a suitable mouse with the right electronics inside though.
[13:13] <fsphil> yea,
[13:13] <fsphil> the ps/2 + usb mice where the same
[13:13] <daveake> Yeah, that's probably just an electrical adapter, with the mouse figuring out what it's plugged into
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[13:45] <PE2G> craag: here are the decodes from the O3 sonde: http://bit.ly/16Ikq7o (1.2 MB)
[13:52] <craag> PE2G: Thanks, that's a lot of data!
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[13:53] <craag> I'll hold onto it for now and will put up a page on my site to document investigation when I get round to it.
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[13:54] <PE2G> craag: OK, nice. Here are sounding stations near you. Many of which use RS92-SGPs: http://goo.gl/maps/pzL0F
[13:56] <craag> Ok, Larkhill is the closest to me then.
[13:56] <Babs> Hix - just back from meeting. positive news from ymail dude or positive news from life in general?
[13:56] <craag> My rtl-sdr will 404mhz I think, will have a listen at some point.
[13:56] <Babs> if the former then i am emailing him later. if the latter then never in general, I am a miserable so and so.
[13:57] <Hix> Babs I'll accept either :)
[13:57] <Hix> heh
[13:58] <PE2G> craag: Larkhill has been active at 06 and 09 UTC in the past days: http://bit.ly/18TzUkY
[13:59] <Babs> that stuff he has on the site is exactly the kind of componentry I am building
[14:00] <Babs> in other news i have discovered nut and bolt buying on ebay. its like getting grown up bags of sweets delivered to the office every day to see what length M3 socket bolt the postie has brought you each day.
[14:00] <craag> PE2G: Heh, my sleep schedule is currently 5am-11am. I think I'll have to change that.. :P
[14:00] <Babs> that last sentence was the worst constructed sentence i have ever made.
[14:02] <PE2G> craag: tracking met sondes = sleep deficit :)
[14:04] <craag> PE2G: Are these the sondes that don't have internal gps? If so, do you know how the position is calculated from the software?
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[14:04] <gonzo___> men don't grow up. pick'n'mix hardware. And swapping toys for air-tools
[14:05] <PE2G> craag: Indeed, SGP's don't have GPS, they re-transmit received GPS channels
[14:06] <craag> That's what I thought.. so how does SondeMonitor calculate the position without it's own gps decoder?
[14:06] <PE2G> GPS calculated by software on the ground
[14:06] <PE2G> I don't know how its'done
[14:06] <craag> ah, so it has a gps decoder.. sounds like I need to watch Ed's talk...
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[14:18] <fsphil> good timing that talk :)
[14:18] <fsphil> sondemonitor needs to now the rough launch location
[14:18] <fsphil> or it can't calculate the gps position
[14:18] <fsphil> it also needs the current gps almanac
[14:19] <craag> Right... sounds like that might be the real IP core of it then, and the bit I can't really help with!
[14:22] <eroomde> you all need to stop doing whatever you're doing and watch a very over the limit keith floyd do the best bit of food/travel television ever recorded
[14:22] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJYbqJre4-s
[14:25] <Hix> Floyd was a legend
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2013/10/03/the-intel-powered-arduino/
[14:26] <Laurenceb_> top comment
[14:28] <craag> Is there a price on that board yet?
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[14:42] <fsphil> your self respect
[14:42] <craag> :P
[14:51] <fsphil> it does look interesting
[14:53] <fsphil> overkill for almost every arduino-style project
[14:53] <fsphil> and without a built-in video out, not really going after the Pi either
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[14:54] <fsphil> put a sata interface onto the mini-pci slot and it might make a neat file server
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> self respect?
[14:58] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j1DJpDrT2Xk#t=102
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=faAg3YXpmBI#t=224 - harsh but fair
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[16:26] <WillTablet> Anyone know French?
[16:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> Non
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[16:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> Pourquoi?
[16:26] <WillTablet> Asked in ##french
[16:27] <WillTablet> Wasn't sure whether you can say sur l'ordinateur
[16:27] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if there is an ##english
[16:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, I have no idea. I only know a few words.
[16:27] <mfa298> and if there is a ##english what's the main language spoken in there
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[16:30] <nick_> eroomde: is fluent, no?
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> what the heck
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/03/review_sony_xperia_ultra_z/?page=2
[16:33] <Laurenceb_> prob more powerful than my desktop
[16:34] <WillTablet> Mine is 6 cores at 3.6 ghz
[16:36] Action: SpeedEvil has recently upgraded.
[16:36] <SpeedEvil> To model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4130 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[16:37] <WillTablet> I have AMD FX6300
[16:37] <SpeedEvil> Most surprising thing - echo mem >/sys/power/state - and it uses about as much when you do that to a raspberry pi
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[16:38] <SpeedEvil> However - this is simply as the pi doesn't powersave.
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> - 2W isn't bad for a desktop.
[16:38] <WillTablet> AMD Radeon (Gigabyte )7850
[16:38] <SpeedEvil> 22W or so now, typing on it
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[16:41] <WillTablet> I didn't know you could measure the power consumption within the os
[16:41] <WillTablet> I thought it was a hardware thing
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> I have a power meter
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/uk-plug-in-energy-meter-electricity-monitor-energy-saving-meter-power-meter-/281055711502?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item417039d10e
[16:44] <SpeedEvil> Like this
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[16:48] <WillTablet> Ph ok
[16:48] <WillTablet> Oh ok
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[16:57] <enkidu> WillTablet: you can aproximate power consumption on some platforms too
[16:57] <enkidu> I got current meter readable with IPMI
[16:57] <WillTablet> I have a 750 watt psu but I probably user around 600
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[17:10] <SpeedEvil> WillTablet: that is unlikely.
[17:11] <SpeedEvil> WillTablet: Unless you're doing hardcore gaming.
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[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:53] <f5vnf> WillTablet: re your 18:27 sur l' ordinateur is fine, sorry just got back
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[18:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
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[18:37] <ibanezmatt13> I'm looking at buying the micro SD socket for my board but I can't tell which one to get. The design link in Eagle shows several types and I'm not sure which will fit the design on my board. Pictures, .sch and .brd here is anyone can help: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yy52dbc8vxv6h7y/XsaLUKMEB3
[18:37] <ibanezmatt13> if*
[18:38] <ibanezmatt13> wait a minute, is that SD card the wrong way round? :/
[18:39] <mikestir> i've not looked, but I guess you will get top and bottom mount ones like you do with micro usb connectors
[18:39] <ibanezmatt13> not quite sure what you mean
[18:39] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yy52dbc8vxv6h7y/T12XnC_UB0/Pictures#lh:null-NORB_v3_Top.png
[18:41] <ibanezmatt13> on the board, the 8 pads aren't perfectly aligned, and some of these sockets have aligned pins so I'm quite confused
[18:43] <mikestir> where did you get the part from?
[18:43] <mikestir> in eagle
[18:43] <mikestir> for something as manufacturer specific as an sd card socket I'd highly recommend picking one and building the part yourself from the drawings in the datasheet
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[18:44] <ibanezmatt13> yea, I'll try and find out, one sec
[18:45] <ibanezmatt13> ah mikestir, it's in the adafruit library
[18:45] <mikestir> yeah I noticed
[18:46] <mikestir> it looks like the one on their breakout board, if you can find out what that is
[18:46] <ibanezmatt13> ok, will take a look
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[18:48] <mikestir> you might be better off finding one that has the pins at the edge
[18:48] <mikestir> would be easier to hand solder
[18:48] <ibanezmatt13> yes, should have thought of that before sending them off
[18:48] <ibanezmatt13> :/
[18:49] <Lunar_Lander> like this? http://de.farnell.com/molex/502774-0891/buchse-microsd-push-push-1-8mm/dp/2064063
[18:50] <ibanezmatt13> yep, that's what I'm looking for. I just need to find one that will definitely fit. I think I just found something
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> because there is a library for Molex on the CadSoft website
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> ah, wish I knew that earlier
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> Thankfully, I've just located the actual model name of the correct card and it turns out it's easy to solder :)
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> good
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> "For the 3M # 2908-05WB-MG and/or 4UCON #19656 push-push type"
[18:53] <mikestir> could be farnell 166-2755
[18:53] <mikestir> looks right - haven't checked the dimensions
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> 3M or 4UCON... hmm
[18:54] <mikestir> hold on that part number is wrong
[18:54] <mikestir> 182-9768
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?66666UuZjcFSLXTtmX&a4x&cEVuQEcuZgVs6EVs6E666666--
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> that looks like the one
[18:58] <mikestir> yeah, again I haven't checked thoroughly, but if you compare the cad drawings that multicomp one from farnell seems to be a clone
[18:58] <mikestir> so you could use that if you can't find the real deal
[18:58] <ibanezmatt13> true, thanks for the info. I might just get both
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> how comes they are so variable btw?
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> aren't microSDs standardized?
[19:00] <adamgreig> the PCB footprints aren't
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:03] <ibanezmatt13> apparently, Farnell no longer stock the 3M micro sd
[19:05] <ibanezmatt13> found it on rs
[19:08] <ibanezmatt13> So the sd sockets come to around £6 but postage is £5.13. Hmm
[19:09] <fsphil> typical RS
[19:11] <ibanezmatt13> when a company name is required, does that mean I'm not allowed to buy
[19:11] <ibanezmatt13> ?
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[19:12] <ibanezmatt13> should I just put in "student" or something? Or is that breaking the law
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[19:16] <SpeedEvil> If you put student - you're not musrepresetning your status in any way
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> So, no.
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> It's their choice to supply or not.
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> Also - there is nothing illegal about inventing a company name, and using it.
[19:17] <SpeedEvil> As long as you are not earning money or doing work under this company - it's not illegal to do so without any paperwork.
[19:17] <ibanezmatt13> I see, I just put N/A in the end
[19:17] <DL7AD> is somebody launching a balloon tomorrow?
[19:18] <ibanezmatt13> Next time I'll just put "NORB Tech" or something :)
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[19:26] <DL7AD> does anyone have a ready2go tracker in poland?
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[19:29] <DL7AD> i wanna start tomorrow with my airplane and a broadband receiver trying to test if it is possible to receive balloons landed on the ground with an airplane. for this purpose i will set up my receiver and a laptop in my airplane tomorrow.
[19:30] <DL7AD> if somebody could send a signal from poland i will try to transmit it to the internet from my airplane
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[19:30] <fsphil> there's a (small) chance my payload might land in poland at the weekend
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[19:31] <DL7AD> eeehhh....? okay....
[19:31] <DL7AD> is it a floater?
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[19:33] <fsphil> yea
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[19:35] <fsphil> though current predictions has it flying north of poland
[19:35] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=3edc1432a991e5f87eb1b7a0c44729aaafbc7d5e
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[19:38] <DL7AD> on which day? sunday?
[19:38] <ibanezmatt13> with a float do you aim for a specific accent rate or specific altitude?
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[19:39] <tjanos> DL7AD: This is a polish language forum, where they discuss ballon topic too. I propose you, put there a short announcement and ask receive support about your flight http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp
[19:40] <DL7AD> :P im unable to read polish
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[19:40] <tjanos> ofcourse you can write english
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[19:41] <tjanos> but a little problem to register there, because the forms are in polish only
[19:42] <fsphil> DL7AD: launching saturday, might be sunday by the time it gets that far
[19:42] <tjanos> DL7DA: did you put annoucement to the UKHAS googlegroup?
[19:43] <DL7AD> fsphil: hm... on sunday im flying a c172 which is unfortunately not so good for radio because i cant mount an external antenna. DA-20 which im flying tomorrow is better because its made of fibre
[19:43] <DL7AD> tjanos: not yet. good idea
[19:44] <tjanos> If yu put there a text, I will try to forward it to the polish forum
[19:45] <tjanos> I am a registered user there
[19:45] <DL7AD> cool thx ;)
[19:45] <tjanos> or, maybe come up here polish paticipants
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[19:47] <ibanezmatt13> hey fsphil http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=fbe695502ff5a52d7a67b7e8d0226d42e502540e
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[19:48] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: doooo it :)
[19:48] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: so all I need to do a floater is a hwoyee 200g, a 0.2m/s accent rate and a light payload?
[19:48] <ibanezmatt13> surely not
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[19:57] <DL7AD> tjanos: posted it.
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[20:15] <tjanos> DL7AD: where did you put your message? I dont see new here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ukhas
[20:15] <DL7AD> tjanos: my message has not been accepted yet by an admin
[20:17] <Boggle_mint> /set gui_url_mod 0
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[20:18] <tjanos> oh...
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello chrisstubbs
[20:30] <chrisstubbs> evening
[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:32] <chrisstubbs> ok thanks
[20:32] <chrisstubbs> and you?
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> quite OK too, thanks
[20:37] <DL7AD> tjanos: you could write, if i dont find anyone how could feed my receiver, i will set it up as an crossband-repeater tomorrow ;)
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[20:50] <tjanos> DL7AD: Steve, I put your text to the polish frum, with a google translate. Hopfully it will be readable for the members: http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=113821&temat=347517
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[20:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi DL7AD :-)
[20:57] <tjanos> DL7AD: I put here your announcement: http://sp7pki.iq24.pl/default.asp?grupa=113821&temat=347517
[20:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: If You wish, I can setup 70cm Tracker, and left it running on my balcony (10 floor). My location is JO90HG
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[20:58] <tjanos> Oh, here are our polish friends... good evening!
[21:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening tjanos :-)
[21:00] Nick change: DL7AD_ -> DL7AD
[21:00] <tjanos> Sry my "simple solution", I hope, I didnot violate the forum rules....
[21:00] <DL7AD> good evening SP9UOB-Tom
[21:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: one of my baloon has landed in Hungary and... Ive got it back :-)
[21:02] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: i think your location is a bit far away...
[21:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/sputnik-2.jpg https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/sputnik-2.kml
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[21:02] <tjanos> Tom, I know this story, it landed in Debrecen...
[21:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: :-)
[21:05] <tjanos> Personaly I dont knowthe guy, who sent back your payload, but I am familiar in the city, because my wife was born there. Jer family tlive there
[21:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> tjanos: no, Your post is OK :-)
[21:05] <tjanos> Hope tomoeow will be some avtivity around this interesting event
[21:06] <tjanos> Mabe in the future, we will be track our ballons from the space, from small satellites
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[21:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: anyway, i have left my tracker running at 437.600 (ish) MHz
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[21:16] <DL7AD> SP9UOB-Tom: im sceptical. i guess we cant do it on this distance.
[21:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> DL7AD: just check. Im running battery test. It hsould be running 50 hours or more.
[21:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
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[21:31] <LeoBodnar> evening!
[21:31] <fsphil> howdy LB
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[21:32] <LeoBodnar> not bad :D how's yourself?
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> are you launching this weekend?
[21:33] <fsphil> hoping so. still building it
[21:33] <WillTablet> Oh hi Leo
[21:33] <fsphil> you?
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> yo
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> you! XD
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> me too
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> how long does it take to build?
[21:34] <fsphil> usually not too long
[21:34] <fsphil> I've got a bad habit of leaving them to the last minute though :)
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> Haha me too
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> and I usually break off solar panels right before going through the doors
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> they are so fragile
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> How is your prediction looking?
[21:37] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=0cd04201c7a6f537fd6c715b0426fd79973b8811
[21:37] <fsphil> pretty good, though I'd prefer it a bit further south
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[21:39] <LeoBodnar> looks good to me
[21:42] <mikestir> you're going for a float then fsphil?
[21:46] <WillTablet> LeoBodnar how come your floaters are so successful?
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> He uses Calgon!
[21:48] <LeoBodnar> A bit of luck I suppose
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> and Calgon
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> Calgon helps protect your washing machine!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, but seriously, you rock!
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:51] <LeoBodnar> lol
[21:51] <LeoBodnar> just been to the local ham club
[21:51] <Mik_WD8MNV> he's doing something right
[21:51] <LeoBodnar> somebody brought in a mag with Steve phot and article there
[21:51] <LeoBodnar> holding chrisstubbs's balloon
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> COOL
[21:52] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve holding chrisstubbs balloon
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[21:52] <chrisstubbs> Aha awesome
[21:52] <LeoBodnar> yeah! right place at the right time
[21:53] <LeoBodnar> I am being ridiculed for not having a radio lol
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[21:54] <daveake> Don't worry. If you get one you'll just be ridiculed for not wanting to talk to other hams on it :p
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> but then you miss out on the fun of bragging about your rig
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> and all the sountries you have worked
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> *countries
[21:56] <LeoBodnar> What you mean two humans communicating direct with each other?!
[21:56] <WillTablet> daveake isn't ham radio and dxing and IotA supposed to be quite fun?
[21:56] <daveake> I believe that's what they do
[21:57] <daveake> Fortunately the only time you /have/ to do that is for the Foundation license
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[22:08] <fsphil> mikestir: yea
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[22:11] <mikestir> I'll be listening
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[22:17] <mikestir> for anyone interested in the merits of the 869 MHz tracker we flew yesterday, it was really good for DFing on the ground
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[22:18] <mikestir> I had a little 5 ele yagi which is really nice and portable on that band
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[22:18] <fsphil> I forgot to setup my 869mhz receiver
[22:18] <mikestir> seems it worked fairly well
[22:18] <mikestir> a few people had a go at it
[22:19] <fsphil> 5mw yea?
[22:19] <mikestir> something like that
[22:19] <mikestir> ERP
[22:19] <mikestir> I was aiming for the legal max
[22:20] <mikestir> the tx output was more like 7dBm but the antenna was bent over at the top
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[22:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lunar_Lander, Hope you saw this link https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/stop-b15-neu ;-)
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[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:23] <mikestir> although actually 7dBm is basically 5mW isn't it, so yes, 5mW!
[22:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Strange ah I see Leo gone!
[22:23] <fsphil> I've a 400mw 869mhz module, but to keep it legal it's limited to 10% duty
[22:24] <mikestir> yes I think that's the sub-band below the bit I was operating in
[22:24] <mikestir> 500mW for 10%
[22:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the duty payable on every border it crosses ?
[22:26] <fsphil> only if they catch you
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: did you look at the weather in Germany when B-14 popped?
[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right B-15 set up for the morning, save me dashing about too much!
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> any thunderstorms or anything?
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> hah so many B-x balloons
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[22:27] <mikestir> nn
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[22:42] <Laurenceb_> Irregular shaped vias tend to knock the electrons around and bang them up a bit. This will produce an edgier, rougher sound.
[22:42] <Laurenceb_> never knew that
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[22:46] <fsphil> you teasing audiophiles again?
[22:46] <fsphil> it's so easy
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[23:14] <enkidu> Laurenceb_: it was rather clear, I was monitoring weather then
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[23:39] <enkidu> nothing on satelites, nothing on radars
[23:42] <Laurenceb_> how odd
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[23:44] <enkidu> but it was close to airplanes I think
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