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[00:09] <enkidu> I've seen elevators with brushless motors
[00:13] <enkidu> for this kind of train it is nothing very special. SSM have some drawbacks but at least they are easy to maintain
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[06:45] <kokey> off-the-shelf small computing devices, what is between the r-pi and the Intel nuc?
[06:46] <eroomde> dunno really
[06:46] <eroomde> there's tonnes
[06:46] <eroomde> everything that was there before raspi
[06:46] <eroomde> the whole world of PC104 which has been around for decades, for example
[06:46] <eroomde> you can get everything from an avr to a core i7 in that form factor
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[07:03] <Mik_WD8MNV> pasPi is cheaper
[07:03] <Mik_WD8MNV> RasPi*
[07:04] <Hix> AVR even more so....
[07:04] <Hix> good moaning btw
[07:04] <Mik_WD8MNV> morning
[07:04] Action: Hix has a bacon baguette at the desk :) today is a good day
[07:04] <Mik_WD8MNV> AVR is good, sometimes ya need someting more
[07:05] <eroomde> although a rasp is 100x more but also different
[07:05] <eroomde> i don't really like the head-to-head comparisons between the two that some people like doing
[07:06] <Hix> from what I see an ATMEGA644 is easily up to the task of a pretty complex HAB setup
[07:06] <eroomde> people going hiking often need advice on what kind of foot ware, and then someone will come and and suggest they just fly to the summit on a helicopter
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[07:07] <eroomde> that is what it feels like when people suggest raspberry pis for a lot of tasks easily served by microcontrollers
[07:07] <Hix> like a BBB ;p
[07:07] <fsphil> many avr's are over powered for hab flights
[07:08] <Mik_WD8MNV> might be easier to write a pythin script vs writing code for the AVR in some cases
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[07:08] <Mik_WD8MNV> i havn't seen one on a attiny85 yet
[07:09] <fsphil> no reason it couldn't be
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[07:10] <eroomde> sure but they solve different problems
[07:10] <eroomde> e.g. the pi is 1000x faster than an avr but can take 100x as long as an avr to respond to some change of state
[07:10] <eroomde> they're just fundamentally different in how they're set up to do things
[07:11] <Mik_WD8MNV> HAB payloads are basically a GPS, some king of transmitter and a CPU and some kind of power management... ?
[07:12] <Hix> finally found out what ISM stands for. only took ~18months
[07:12] <fsphil> industry scientific medical?
[07:12] <eroomde> Mik_WD8MNV: simple ones yes
[07:13] <Hix> yup fsphil never knew what it meant
[07:13] <Hix> found out reading the specsheet for a CC1150 from TI - https://www.dropbox.com/s/desls0ak6ckiobi/cc1150_JRx_Transmitter.pdf
[07:14] <Hix> is there any reason it couldn't be used as a HAB Tx?
[07:14] <Hix> I really like TI's documentation ethos
[07:14] <eroomde> nope
[07:14] <eroomde> we've certainly used the cc1110 before as a tab tx and rx
[07:15] <Hix> i stumbled on it for my camera trigger idea - seemed like a nice crossover
[07:16] <fsphil> seems handly, not so many external components
[07:16] <fsphil> well no, lots of inductors
[07:16] <Hix> it has built in FEC support
[07:16] <eroomde> probably not suitable
[07:16] <Hix> which is no use to me but from matts talk it could e a good thing
[07:19] <Hix> Twerk 1(v).a type of dancing in which the dancer, usually a woman, shakes her hips in an up-and-down bouncing motion 2(n) a place where Upu goes in the morning
[07:19] <Upu> bah dum :)
[07:20] <eroomde> lolatron
[07:20] <Upu> if I had a pound every time I'd heard that I'd have £2 now
[07:20] <Hix> I'm here all day :)
[07:21] <Hix> If I were to look at getting a scope, what are the deciding factors and why?
[07:21] <eroomde> wowza
[07:21] <eroomde> big q
[07:22] <eroomde> there are 3 price brackets for you
[07:22] <eroomde> £20, £250, £1k+
[07:22] <eroomde> £20 - an old 30mhz 2ch hameg/tektronix scope like they have in school
[07:22] <Hix> middle - I've heard Rigol are meant to be ok for the money
[07:22] <eroomde> would recommend having one of these anyway as they're very useful and will do 90% of what you want
[07:23] <eroomde> after that, yes, the low end digital storage scopes that have memory
[07:23] <eroomde> of which rigol/owon/siglent etc are the occupiers
[07:23] <fsphil> I got a 50mhz philips analogue scope of ebay for about £30 a while back
[07:23] <eroomde> rigol have released a newer 2ch series now
[07:23] <eroomde> i would super recommend that if you can stretch to a bit more
[07:23] <fsphil> oh the one with the antialiasing screen is nice
[07:24] <eroomde> get the deepest memory you can afford, basically
[07:24] <number10> daveake got quite a nice scope last year
[07:24] <eroomde> you can then do logic analysis with it (e.g. storing and decoding rs232)
[07:24] <Hix> how does the bandwidth affect how its used?
[07:24] <Hix> i.e what makes a 1GHz better than 50MHz
[07:24] <fsphil> annoyingly I broke my old philips scope -- and watching eevblog's last repair video, I suspect the CRT bit had just been knocked off
[07:25] <eroomde> Hix: so that's the cutoff frequency of the input filters
[07:25] <eroomde> you have filter in inputs when you sample, and you must sample at least 2x the rate of the max freq in your signal
[07:25] <eroomde> to prevent something called aliasing
[07:25] <kokey> I screwed my maths a bit
[07:26] <eroomde> so the bandwidth of the scope is the cutoff freq on the input signal, and defines how fast a signal you can measure with your scope
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[07:26] <kokey> I am keeping statistics of the occurence of something, e.g. when it happens one or more times, I store a value of x, where it occured once every x times (1/x)
[07:27] <kokey> but then I did stats based on average
[07:27] <eroomde> e.g. if you stick a 400MHz sine wave into a scope with a 50MHz bandwidth, you probably won't see it
[07:27] <eroomde> but a 1GHz bandwidth scope would see it
[07:27] <Hix> so a 50MHz scope can only be used to work with signals of <=25MHz
[07:27] <eroomde> no, 50MHz
[07:27] <eroomde> the bandwidth defines the filter
[07:27] <Hix> ah
[07:27] <eroomde> they're be sampling much higher than that
[07:28] <fsphil> mmm new gopro does 1080p at 120fps. is there even an sd card that fast
[07:28] <Hix> norfolk coming out there :)
[07:28] <eroomde> e.g. our 500MHz scope samples at 4GS/s
[07:28] <Maxell> fsphil: class 10?
[07:28] <Hix> the U class ones can handle that cant they fsphil
[07:28] <eroomde> Hix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TSr9nFN1GU
[07:28] <kokey> it doesn't help just adding them together and dividing by the number, especially when many of them are actually 0/x
[07:28] <eroomde> old rigol vs new rigol
[07:28] <Hix> cheers
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[07:29] <eroomde> the new rigols do look good
[07:29] <eroomde> we only didn't get one because we're a company so like having a rep come out with a drop-in replacement same day if it breaks
[07:29] <eroomde> which we get with rohde&schwarz and agilent
[07:29] <Hix> I'll have to play with the ones downstairs for a bit to work em out. Never used a scope
[07:30] <eroomde> well, that eevblog channel in general could be useful to you
[07:30] <Hix> I'm sure it will be, I've seen some eevblog stuff before
[07:31] <fsphil> he can be very honest
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[07:31] <fsphil> damn those fast SD cards really are
[07:31] <Hix> honest beats farting around with pc crap
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[07:32] <fsphil> I nearly got one of those USB scopes
[07:32] <fsphil> went with the rigol instead
[07:33] <fsphil> from what I've read the usb ones are not very good. or those little nano ones
[07:34] <eroomde> yeah
[07:34] <eroomde> i would totally totally totally go for a proper scope
[07:34] <eroomde> with buttons
[07:34] <eroomde> the actual interction with the tool is so much better
[07:34] <eroomde> which counts for a lot
[07:37] <fsphil> I'm learning it's very easy to use them wrong
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[07:37] <fsphil> I was seeing artifacts caused by the way I'd connected it to a circuit
[07:38] <eroomde> probes are an electrical component
[07:38] <fsphil> yea
[07:38] <eroomde> say it 1000 times over
[07:43] <f5vnf> morning guys, did b14 come down last night, i had to leave it when the discussion was going on
[07:43] <Mik_WD8MNV> looks like it did. it may or may not revive
[07:46] <Mik_WD8MNV> i hope it's high and dry somewhere
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[07:48] <fsphil> it seems like that little push upwards might have popped the balloon
[07:49] <Hix> so something like this then eroomde http://goo.gl/ClmYPI for home use ;p
[07:51] <eroomde> not a bad price for that actually!
[07:51] <fsphil> those agilent stickers are really expensive
[07:51] <Darkside> oh yeah
[07:51] <Darkside> we had an agilent expo thing on today at uni
[07:51] <Darkside> so many shiny toys
[07:51] <fsphil> nice
[07:51] <Darkside> i so want a fieldfox
[07:52] <eroomde> the agilent mso3034 (i think) is the one i'd get for my home lab if i found myself wanting to do semipro stuff
[07:52] <eroomde> i think that's an amazing scope for the money
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[08:26] <Hix> well that was nice and easy
[08:26] <Hix> popped downstairs - "just having a look at what scopes we use here and what sort of spec they are"
[08:26] <fsphil> spending money?
[08:27] <Hix> "are you looking to buy one then"
[08:27] <Hix> "yes"
[08:27] <Hix> "well, if you want ot borrow one for a few days at a time, just let me know and I'll book one out to a jaguar job for you"
[08:27] <Hix> Tecktronix 300MHz 4 channel
[08:28] <fsphil> oh sweet
[08:28] <Hix> Nicely
[08:28] <Hix> sometimes I like work
[08:30] <eroomde> nice!
[08:31] <Hix> cool - you can use an arduino as a square wave generator using blinkenlight
[08:33] <eroomde> yup
[08:33] <eroomde> though it might be instructive to see what the rise time actually is
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[08:34] <eroomde> of the in theory sharp square edge
[08:34] <eroomde> you can do that with your 300MHz scope
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> morning
[08:34] <Hix> hi LeoBodnar
[08:34] <eroomde> that should be able to resolve rise times of 0.35/bandwidth
[08:34] <eroomde> which i suspect will be quite a lot faster then what the arduino can do
[08:34] <Hix> I'm going to get one "booked out" and have a play
[08:35] <fsphil> you can see the rise time on an arduino with my 100mhz scope
[08:35] <eroomde> yeah. the pin driver stages on micro controllers are not particularly fast
[08:35] <Hix> If I don't need to buy a scope then the funds can go to a Salaea
[08:37] <eroomde> scope more useful
[08:39] <Hix> I don't need to buy one though :)
[08:39] <eroomde> lol yes true
[08:40] <Hix> >= win
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[08:40] <DL1SGP> good morning
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[08:51] <Ugi> ping G0TDJ_Steve
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[08:53] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> B-14 can be heard on the Odenwald receiver right now http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/49/vk4fsgw
[08:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> HI Ugi
[08:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, I was AFK for a tick
[08:57] <Ugi> no problem - I was just giong to say that I had rather a lot to deal with last night but the code for ToGo1 is now here: http://ugilabs.co.uk/Scrap/ToGo_Code.zip
[08:58] <Ugi> That is the code as flown, plus the libraries needed and a fixed version that should detect landing rather better
[08:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks, no apology necessary
[08:58] <x-f> Gagabrumpfgurzdu, can you decode it?
[08:59] <Ugi> if you would like to see the relevant board for reference, Eagle files are here: http://ugilabs.co.uk/Scrap/HAB.zip
[08:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool, Looks like the code zip may be corrupted though, Can't open it
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[09:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Re-downloaded, same thing
[09:00] <Ugi> G0TDJ_Steve: Oh. Sorry. Give me a mo' & I'll re-upload
[09:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers
[09:01] <Ugi> Try that
[09:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Downloading
[09:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep, cheers :-)
[09:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll have fun going through that.
[09:02] <Ugi> Great - only don't judge me on my coding - I'm really a chemist, not a programmer!
[09:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-) No probs. Just trying to pick up some bits & pieces.
[09:03] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Ugi: Ivar Ugi??
[09:05] <Ugi> Gagabrumpfgurzdu: I'm not him (I think he's passed away now), but that is the origin, yes - very good.
[09:06] <fsphil> that global tuner receiver is silent
[09:06] <Ugi> I was once asked to present a research proposal and was so enthused by his mulit-component condensation reaction that everyone started to call me Ugi.
[09:06] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Yes, passed away in 2005 :-(
[09:07] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Hehe
[09:07] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> I drank wine with him... funny guy
[09:07] <Ugi> I never met him, I just read about his work
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[09:09] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> I'm still allergic to a few things because of the formaldehyde, which was used in form uf a very dusty powder
[09:10] <Ugi> nasty stuff
[09:10] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Does anyone have a recording of a B-?? flight with the domino tones ?
[09:10] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> The wine was nasty too :-)
[09:11] <Ugi> Just so long as you keep the formaldehyde out of the wine!
[09:11] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Geoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMucfIMKk2Q
[09:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ugi: Nice board. You use an external GPS?
[09:15] <Ugi> Yes - Upu's pico breakout: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52
[09:16] <Ugi> The board should allow you to use either i2c or serial - I used i2c so I had the serial port for debugging
[09:16] <UpuWork> are you sure Gagabrumpfgurzdu ? Is it decoding ?
[09:16] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> no not sure, probably it's something else
[09:17] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> sorry about that
[09:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Neat
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[09:20] <Ugi> Two key issues with the i2c however: you need to set the baud rate higher because otherwise reading the i2c is faster than the sentence is generated and you get a load of FFs in the middle.
[09:21] <Ugi> Also if the i2c goes quiet for more than 2s then the GPS stops sending data that way, so you need to re-query the GPS if you haven't heard for more than 2-3 seconds
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[09:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks for the tips Ugi
[09:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've got stuff going on over here.... BRB
[09:28] <Ugi> No sweat - catch you later
[09:30] <nats`> hi
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[09:34] <Ugi> UpuWork: can I ask your opinion on a GPS issue?
[09:34] <UpuWork> sure
[09:35] <Ugi> During Sunday's flight the data sent seemed to be fine. However the error flag for no GPS lock was set
[09:35] <Ugi> that means (should mean) that the GPS was reporting not to be locked
[09:35] <Ugi> but it had 10+ sat's most of the time
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[09:36] <Ugi> and seemed to be finding position to within expected error
[09:36] <Ugi> I saw that once before in testing but put it down to the batteries nearly being exhaused that time
[09:36] <Ugi> needless to say they were new bat's on Sunday
[09:37] <Ugi> Any idea what's happening?
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[09:41] <DL7AD> good morning
[09:42] <nats`> hi ;à
[09:42] <Ugi> good morning DL7AD
[09:42] <nats`> ;)
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[09:43] <DL7AD> my router broke this morning :(
[09:44] <DL7AD> is the connection stable?
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[09:46] <DL7AD> seems not to be
[09:48] <Ugi> that did look like a wobble DL7AD
[09:49] <DL7AD> hm...
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[10:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Guys, who moderates the Google Group?
[10:32] <fsphil> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/space_hedgehog_alive/
[10:32] <UpuWork> I can do it Steve
[10:32] <Darkside> fsphil: what launch was that?
[10:32] <Darkside> was that one that had bad tracking or something?
[10:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> HI Anthony, I posted to the group this morning and it hasn't appeared
[10:33] <UpuWork> sure ?
[10:33] <fsphil> Darkside: I don't remember exactly, just vaugly me complaining about the SPACE thing :)
[10:33] <UpuWork> :)
[10:33] <fsphil> but the snow caused quite a lot of havoc
[10:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah ha! There it is!
[10:34] <daveake> I thought that was the one where they tracked using an x-bee or something
[10:34] <fsphil> ah the 869mhz one
[10:34] <fsphil> that sort of worked
[10:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah, daveake :-)
[10:35] <daveake> One of the guys collared me at the Bristol Maker Faire the next day
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[10:35] <fsphil> they had nothing holding in those little pods
[10:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thank you Anthony BTW
[10:35] <daveake> And I did my best Harry Enfield "You shouldn't have done it like that, you should have done it like THIS ..." impression
[10:35] <fsphil> wonder if they'll try again now
[10:35] <daveake> I think so
[10:36] <daveake> Did you ever get a reply from your local guy who is averse to notams?
[10:36] <fsphil> nope
[10:37] <fsphil> he doesn't seem to like talking about it :)
[10:37] <daveake> He needs a thwack round the head with a heavy CAA tome
[10:37] <fsphil> I'd better ping the CAA about my own
[10:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake: Are you any closer to putting your Pi conference stuff online (or did I miss you do it)?
[10:39] <daveake> closer of course :-)
[10:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-) OK
[10:39] <daveake> as in, anything in the future is closer than it was :p
[10:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah... OK
[10:40] <daveake> Got a funeral to go to today so I'll do it tomorrow. Promise.
[10:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> No worries. My sympathies
[10:41] <daveake> ta
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[10:49] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> What is the most likely location of B-14 now?
[10:49] <x-f> a tree
[10:49] <daveake> a river
[10:50] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Assuming it's still up, where would it be at?
[10:51] <daveake> Very difficult to say without knowing what altitude it might be at
[10:51] <daveake> And it really looks like it burst/leaked and came down
[10:51] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Could it be near Munich?
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[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Have you guys seen this: http://www.thetileapp.com/ Howzat for close in location of payload?
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[11:06] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Steve: That's cool... damn, where did I put my phone??
[11:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some possible ideas for the landing spot are here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-14_20130928/
[11:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm thinking as a backup (especially for Leo!) to normal payload. I wonder what the range is....
[11:09] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Steve: Probably a few meters
[11:09] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[11:09] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Geoff: Listening on my own rx, but hearing nothing at all
[11:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, probably. I'm interested in the technology. Might get one to play with. £12 isn't a lot....
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Indeed, if its on the ground the range will be VERY limited!
[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> also probaly little solar power to help extend the life of the battery
[11:12] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> Geoff: I think Steve is talking about tile, not about the balloon
[11:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep :-)
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> I was answering the earlier posts ;-) Hadn't got as far as Steve postings !
[11:13] <mfa298> G0TDJ_Steve: they list up to 150ft in their FAQ
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[11:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's not bad mfa298
[11:13] <mfa298> uses Bluetooth 4.0 so only works on newer IOS devices
[11:14] <mattbrejza> its just a BT tag i guess?
[11:14] <mfa298> looks like it from the FAQ
[11:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Put together with crowd sourced location
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[11:17] <mfa298> I think it would really need to take off for the crowd sourcing location bit to work initially that's just going to be a gimmick with little practical use.
[11:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, it's a tough job but still an interesting idea. I'm going to watch developments.
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[11:45] <Hix> whoa - you're launching fsphil :)
[11:45] <fsphil> scary eh?
[11:46] <Hix> IOM landing?
[11:46] <fsphil> Denmark or Poland, maybe
[11:46] <fsphil> going to try and get it to float
[11:48] <Hix> cool
[11:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Have you done any predictions fsphil ?
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[11:53] <fsphil> a standard prediction: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=890091ff5c3344a68227f14a8ce5b276fca4387c
[11:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> *splash*
[11:54] <fsphil> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=6b1c868317fd66d91b7640e13499ff3690abcb40
[11:54] <fsphil> floaty prediction
[11:54] <fsphil> it's moved north a bit
[11:54] <fsphil> was flying over poland last time i checked
[11:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Cool. I'm not sure I'll be able to receive that but I'll give it a go.
[11:54] <fsphil> shouldn't be a problem
[11:55] <fsphil> man russia is big
[11:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep....
[11:55] <fsphil> it'll be above 35km altitude by the time it's over england
[11:56] <fsphil> so should cover most of the british isles
[11:56] <x-f> wii, i like that floaty prediction
[11:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm in the shadow of a hill but like I said, I'll see what I can do.
[11:56] <fsphil> there may also be a cut-down -- might not have that ready in time
[11:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-) Sounds fun
[11:57] <x-f> will it be a RPi payload?
[11:57] <fsphil> yea
[11:58] <fsphil> the avr/uart camera is too expensive to lose :)
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: it looks like a BT LE Bluetooth low energy device. I have dabbed into this in the past. It can work for 5+ years on a single CR2032 battery and the range is about 100-200 feet. I think you need BT version 6.0 for this BT LE is not compatible with standard/legacy BT equipment but has been added to v.6 of the standard
[11:59] <LeoBodnar> iPhones/iPads have it built in - not surer about other phones
[11:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers LeoBodnar - It's apparently OK with an iPhone 4S which is what I have. I've ordered one to play with.
[11:59] <LeoBodnar> Version 4 not 6 sorry!
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[12:00] <LeoBodnar> I think it uses "proximity" profile.
[12:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> You can also activate an audible alarm. Might be useful if you know you're right on top of it but just can't see it.
[12:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Payloads that is
[12:00] <mikestir> afternoon
[12:01] <LeoBodnar> Yes "proximity" profile is designed to give you an alarme when you are either approaching the device or lost contact with it (e.g. monitoring kids/personal stuff)
[12:01] <LeoBodnar> It works on signal strength measurement and estimates the distance
[12:02] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: is it a netted latex balloon?
[12:02] <fsphil> regular latex. I don't have any net
[12:02] <fsphil> not any big enough anyway
[12:03] <mikestir> I think I will actually be around this weekend to do some tracking
[12:03] <mikestir> missed the last several flights for one reason or another
[12:06] <mikestir> question about payload doc - should I define two separate docs for the 434 and 868 trackers, or define them both as two formats in the same payload doc?
[12:06] <mikestir> they have different callsign
[12:08] <fsphil> might be easier to keep them separate
[12:09] <fsphil> allows people to select them from the list
[12:09] <mikestir> ok. that's probably sensible because the shift is different
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[12:16] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[12:16] <G0TDJ_AFK> Right, Lunch time - See you later folks :D
[12:22] <fsphil> good plan
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[12:27] <f5vnf> perhaps we could get them to use this to look for B!4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr9ujF6vXgQ
[12:27] <f5vnf> *B14
[12:31] <mikestir> anyone about who can approve my flight doc for tomorrow please?
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[12:36] <danielsaul> mikestir: In future ask in #habhub, but sure - what's the doc id?
[12:37] <mikestir> danielsaul: thanks 352d8d3fa4f8ad3168f7f215514a4cdb
[12:38] <danielsaul> Approved
[12:40] <mikestir> thanks
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[13:11] <db_g6gzh> UpuWork: ping
[13:11] <UpuWork> hi there
[13:11] <UpuWork> got the amp
[13:12] <UpuWork> will be a week or so before I can work on it
[13:12] <db_g6gzh> No problem, just wanted to check it had arrived.
[13:15] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
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[13:29] <Laurenceb_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/746464472/innovative-mac-browser-which-dares-to-think-differ
[13:31] <mattbrejza> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[13:31] <chrisstubbsW> wtf kickstarter is blocked at work
[13:32] <fsphil> does it give a reason?
[13:34] <chrisstubbsW> social networking
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[13:36] <chrisstubbsW> Are you flying a pi this weekend fsphil
[13:36] <fsphil> yea
[13:37] <fsphil> possibly with a backup
[13:38] <chrisstubbsW> Cool :)
[13:41] <fsphil> hope I remember how to launch :)
[13:43] <mattbrejza> let go?
[13:44] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[13:44] <fsphil> sounds tricky
[13:45] <mattbrejza> actually once a payload let itself go, it was a lot more swingy
[13:45] <enkidu> Laurenceb_: didnt Opera had similar features?
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[14:04] <Hix> Laurenceb "We has been innovating"
[14:04] <Hix> innit
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46HJbbIWlA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[14:11] <SpeedEvil> sort of high altitude
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[14:11] <SpeedEvil> it contains mountains and landings anyway
[14:14] <Hix> heh - oops. did the same thing once on a snowboard off the roof of a chalet, that I thought was a banked turn
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[14:17] <enkidu> oh yeah
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[14:20] <enkidu> downs @ downhill race
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[15:54] <Willdude123> arko is the JPL effected by this US government shutdown?
[15:55] <eroomde> he says no
[15:55] <eroomde> already asked
[15:57] <Willdude123> Ah OK. Is he employed by NASA or is it Caltech in charge of employment?
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[15:58] <eroomde> it's both and there are lots of private contractors
[16:01] <eroomde> the RS website is so unbelievably shit
[16:01] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/g3nk7jz.png
[16:03] <arko> Jpl is not effected, JPL is technically cal tech :)
[16:03] <arko> Contracting to nasa
[16:03] <arko> But if this continues it could
[16:04] <arko> As Ed said :)
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[16:06] <arko> Check out @phooky's Tweet: https://twitter.com/phooky/status/385053691260063746
[16:07] <arko> Americans! Let's start our own TV network!
[16:07] <Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/KdOSdoh
[16:07] <arko> CongressIsStupid TV
[16:07] <LazyLeopard> eroomde: Is there any logic to the order of those buttons, or did they just roll dice?
[16:08] Action: LazyLeopard suspects the latter...
[16:08] <Ugi> LazyLeopard: looks like they dropped them on the floor & picked them all up again
[16:09] <LazyLeopard> ...and probably lost a few along the way...
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[16:10] <fsphil> haha
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[16:12] <eroomde> Laurenceb, ascii
[16:12] <eroomde> LazyLeopard, even ^
[16:15] <LazyLeopard> Ah. ;)
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[16:42] <ljj> good evening!
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[16:44] <PB0NER> ljj: good evening
[16:44] <PB0NER> ljj: good evening!!
[16:45] <RAMM25> hello
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[16:52] <WillHelm> Urgh. Trouble downloading a massive 250mb file
[16:52] <eroomde> thanks for sharing
[16:53] <WillHelm> Sorry, I'm ranting
[16:53] <RAMM25> any bode seen my baby?
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[17:06] <WillHelm> I best start preparing for my French exchange student
[17:06] <WillHelm> I probably won't be on IRC till sunday.
[17:06] Nick change: WillHelm -> Willdude123
[17:07] <eroomde> the break will be a wonderful thing i'm sure
[17:07] <mclane> any news from B-14?
[17:11] <eroomde> another new rule
[17:11] <eroomde> RC people should have to understand science when specifying electric motors and stuff
[17:11] <eroomde> it's impossible to get actual specifications for any of these things, they're full of stupid confused units
[17:12] <eroomde> lik kV which means thousands of rpm per volt (they say) or 'S', the unit of the number of 'cells' when they could just use volts, and maximum current on one is listed as 450W
[17:12] <eroomde> AAAAARRGH
[17:16] <Willdude123> eroomde, calm down. Don't get so frustrated in the channel.
[17:16] <Willdude123> :)
[17:17] <Willdude123> eroomde, What do you mean? Wonderful for me or for you?
[17:17] <eroomde> for you
[17:20] <Willdude123> Yeah. I need to stop going on IRC so much
[17:20] <Willdude123> It seems so much more important when it's the only thing you do.
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> no mclane
[17:21] <Willdude123> Thing is, we have no clue what to do with him
[17:21] <Willdude123> Last year we went to london, so we aren't sure what he wants to do
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[17:24] <Elijah__> morning all
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[17:25] <Elijah__> hehe, agree on the motor kV rating, it's certainly not intuitive what it means
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[17:26] <Guest30403> is there any informatin about B-14 ?
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[17:30] <Guest30403> is there any information about balloon B14 landed in South Germany
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[17:34] <x-f> Guest30403, nothing known yet, hasn't been heard since
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[17:49] <Mik_WD8MNV> last thing i saw re: B-14 was this in chat [01:53] <Gagabrumpfgurzdu> B-14 can be heard on the Odenwald receiver right now http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/49/vk4fsgw
[17:49] <Mik_WD8MNV> that was 9 hours ago
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[18:01] <Guest30403> we have been at the landing coordinates of B-14 this early morning - but no signal on 434.500
[18:02] <LeoBodnar> thank you for the attempted recovery! :)
[18:03] <bertrik> nice, very easy to miss visually I guess
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Guest30403: :)
[18:04] <SpeedEvil> :( Thanks
[18:04] <Guest30403> how long can the lipo accu stand without sunlight? we were there about 12 h after landing
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> it would still be going
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> maybe it has drowned
[18:06] <Guest30403> at landingtime the bat was 4.2 volt
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> yes full battery
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> If the solar panels crack and short - nothing significant would happen?
[18:06] <Guest30403> ok
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> no, it is isolated
[18:08] <Guest30403> my road distance was only 45 km - hope the next one will land in my garden ;-)
[18:11] <Guest30403> is there any audio sound file for download - because i do not know how the signal sounds in FM narrow
[18:12] <mclane> you may not hear it in fm narrow
[18:12] <mclane> you need ssb (usb) for that
[18:13] <bertrik> it's only 16 baud, perhaps can you hear clicks in FM
[18:13] <mclane> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7k_nWZAYo0
[18:13] <mclane> for example
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> :D
[18:14] Action: SpeedEvil clicks, then realises he has no working sound.
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> you should hear squelch cutting in and out from experience
[18:15] <enkidu> Mik_WD8MNV: it could rise again, so it is nothing impessible.
[18:16] <Guest30403> ok - heard the videosound - i thing it will sond like an unmodulated carrier on my scanner?
[18:21] <Mik_WD8MNV> i think you'd hear the carrier
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> Domino will sound like unmodulated carrier on NFM
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[18:25] <Mik_WD8MNV> it would break squelch if close enough
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[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:31] <ibanezmatt13> evening eroomde
[18:31] <eroomde> yo
[18:32] <ibanezmatt13> I made some sorting algorithms in Python and they actually work :)
[18:33] <eroomde> awesome!
[18:33] <eroomde> feel you understand them a bit better now?
[18:35] <ibanezmatt13> yes definitely
[18:36] <ibanezmatt13> I've done the bubble sort, shuttle sort and shell sort so far
[18:36] <mikestir> have you seen that sound of sorting video?
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[18:38] <mikestir> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg
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[18:40] <LeoBodnar> Sorting: Knut vol.3
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[18:43] <eroomde> ?
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[18:55] <LeoBodnar> ?!
[18:56] <eroomde> !???!?
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Computer_Programming
[18:58] <eroomde> Knuth!
[18:58] <eroomde> Knut was the one who shouted at tides
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> webchat ate the h
[18:59] <daveake> webcat?
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[19:01] <ibanezmatt13> I've been sat there for 20 minutes wondering how quiet it was on here, until I realised the internet was off :P
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[19:04] <ibanezmatt13> all good
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[19:40] <Willdude123> I've always thought it's really cool how even when my internet is pretty much down, it's just about fast enough to be able to moan about it on IRC
[19:42] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[19:43] <SpeedEvil> Also it's something you can do which takes only a few meg a day.
[19:43] <Willdude123> Heh
[19:43] <Willdude123> Is IRC a send-and-pray protocol?
[19:44] <Willdude123> Is it really a protocol? I thought it was just raw messages.
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> yesNo - tcp/ip
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> It's all 'reliable' - in principle.
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> Modulo server links dying
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> http://notice.usa.gov/
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> Needs a 'donate' button.
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[19:47] <Willdude123> Heh
[19:47] <Willdude123> Now would be a really really awkward time for a natural disaster.
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[20:14] <mikestir> any recommended knots for tying everything together?
[20:14] <craag> mikestir: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:knots
[20:15] <mikestir> ta
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[20:18] <tweetBot> @stratodean: This past weekend we finished our post on our new tracker, don't forget to take a look! http://t.co/s1La98vXdN #ukhas #GPSGoodness
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[21:17] <tweetBot> @g4fui: Hey you HABbers, check out "Flying on Helium" by Heather Maloney http://t.co/IMwHnKa7Wo #ukhas - it's on her new eponymous album
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[21:23] <WillTablet> Mhm
[21:24] <WillTablet> They fixed the intertubez by the look of it
[21:24] <SpeedEvil> Which ISP are you with?
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[21:59] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGBQxWwMbIA
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[22:17] <Laurenceb_> http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/electric-off-road/540250d1263220467-anyone-modified-esc-added-mosfets-more-current-10614l2.jpg
[22:17] <Laurenceb_> wuuuttttttt
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Somewhat missing the point there.
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> Though if you dunked it in alcohol, it might almost work
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGBQxWwMbIA&feature=player_detailpage#t=458
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> surely that cant work ??
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> molten tin?
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> Stupid youtube
[22:21] <SpeedEvil> if an ad plays, time doesn't work
[22:22] <Laurenceb_> 7:30
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> What's wrong with molten tin?
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[22:24] <Laurenceb_> wont it block the gaps?
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[22:24] <Laurenceb_> the copper seems veyr tightly packed
[22:25] <Laurenceb_> or maybe thats not the idea
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> tin coats the outside perhaps
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> for bonding to the case
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> I think you're mislead by the angle, and by the low res
[22:27] <SpeedEvil> And they're a little further apart than they look
[22:28] <Laurenceb_> yeah maybe
[22:29] <Laurenceb_> slightly more in depth coverage than modern horizon "documentaries"...
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[22:31] <SpeedEvil> :(
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[22:32] <enkidu> SpeedEvil: copper parts are preheated and gaps are too large for tin to be kept only by viscosity
[22:32] <enkidu> it flows through and stays on the joints
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[22:43] <SpeedEvil> yeah
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[22:59] <Laurenceb_> http://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Reliant-Rugged-Robin.jpg
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[23:17] <enkidu> safety car
[23:18] <enkidu> need to visit shop, brb
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