highaltitude.log.20130928

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[00:36] <jarod> ADS-B balloon! :D
[00:36] <jarod> http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=F-PPSE
[00:37] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/FPPSE-BALL-2013-09-28.jpg
[00:38] <jarod> cool :)
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[01:12] <DL7AD> its not ads-b. its mode s...
[01:13] <DL7AD> jarod
[01:13] <DL7AD> jarod: because its not transmitting its position
[01:14] <DL7AD> jarod: but i had never seen this before either ;)
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[03:11] <Mik_WD8MNV> sp3osj has been released into air?
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[05:37] <eroomde> mornatron
[05:39] <Mik_WD8MNV> it's kinda early there, isn't it?
[05:47] <eroomde> yes
[05:47] <eroomde> also a laggy internet connection
[05:47] <eroomde> actually i have a wedding to get to in another rbit of the country so I want to be on the road by 8
[05:53] <Mik_WD8MNV> that means free cake i think
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[05:58] <eroomde> let's hope
[06:01] <Mik_WD8MNV> SP3OSJ is floating?
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[06:16] <eroomde> this is a very good article
[06:16] <eroomde> http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/09/27/virgin-galactic-aiming-spaceflight-february/
[06:17] <eroomde> doug is being very diplomatic, they really have messed up the engine and they go into offense-is-the-best-form-of-defense mode if you dare to question their engine
[06:18] <eroomde> arko: you might find that interesting ^
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[06:20] <eroomde> watching a small spider urgently binding a single daddy long legs leg to the rest of its web
[06:20] <eroomde> now trying to catch another leg
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[06:26] <eroomde> the daddy long legs has abandoned its leg
[06:26] <eroomde> and is now free but exhausted
[06:26] <eroomde> minus a leg
[06:27] <eroomde> which remains in the web
[06:27] <eroomde> spider should have commited
[06:27] <Mik_WD8MNV> not much meat in a spider leg
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[06:37] <LeoBodnar> morning!
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[06:38] <eroomde> morning leo
[06:43] <heathkid> hello LeoBodnar
[06:44] <jcoxon> ooo B-14 on the map
[06:45] <jcoxon> oooo i see that it keeps track of date
[06:45] <jcoxon> does spacenear.us acknowledge that?
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[06:51] <LeoBodnar> it's a string that is there if needs be
[06:51] <LeoBodnar> there was a discussion what the best format is :D
[06:52] <Mik_WD8MNV> b-14 has competition from SP3OSJ this morning?
[06:53] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, plenty of foil balloons recently :D
[06:53] <LeoBodnar> Which is good!
[06:53] <LeoBodnar> B-14 is up on 434.500MHz
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[07:07] <Upu> cool
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[07:11] <LeoBodnar> morning Upu
[07:11] <Upu> morning Leo
[07:11] <Upu> I've updated spacenear.us
[07:12] <Upu> lol
[07:12] <Upu> All I can see is noise
[07:12] <Upu> on my waterfall
[07:12] <Upu> but just looked up and I have : $$B-14,14,071047,1328,52.1157,-1.1719,1727O7,16,4.15,0.49*1c0a
[07:13] <LeoBodnar> lol
[07:13] <Upu> red but I can't see the pips at all
[07:13] <LeoBodnar> dark magic
[07:13] <Upu> Oh I see pips now
[07:14] <LeoBodnar> Got my RSGB papers through
[07:14] <LeoBodnar> do you get to keep lower level callsigns when you get the higher ones?
[07:14] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: yes
[07:14] <LeoBodnar> seems silly
[07:15] <cm13g09> but if you use them, you must stick to the limits assigned to that call sign
[07:15] <LeoBodnar> sure
[07:15] <LeoBodnar> can you supervise yourself?
[07:15] <LeoBodnar> lol
[07:15] <cm13g09> lol
[07:15] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPu
[07:15] Nick change: Upu_M0UPu -> Upu_M0UPU
[07:15] <Upu_M0UPU> not until you have a full license :)
[07:16] <LeoBodnar> I think all can if it is a UK licensed amateur
[07:17] <LeoBodnar> *they are
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[07:17] <Upu_M0UPU> fsphil is close to getting a working implementation of THOR btw
[07:17] <LeoBodnar> coolio
[07:19] <fsphil> I'd have it working now but I got distracted last night, playing with the arduino and my scope
[07:20] <fsphil> trying to decide which has more accurate timing
[07:20] <LeoBodnar> what arduino has better timing than a scope?!
[07:21] <LeoBodnar> let me rephrase: a scope has worse timing than arduino?!
[07:21] <fsphil> well the scope was disagreeing with what I thought the frequency of the waveform should be
[07:21] <fsphil> but I can't tell which was wrong, or if there was a bug in my code :)
[07:23] <LeoBodnar> sample 1PPS output from a GPS to check scope timebase
[07:23] <fsphil> ooh
[07:23] <fsphil> good idea
[07:23] <LeoBodnar> it's like 1second +- 30nsec
[07:24] <LeoBodnar> on MAXes
[07:35] <fsphil> B-14 heading north?
[07:35] <fsphil> what's the target float altitude? I'll update the predictor
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[07:37] <LeoBodnar> 9100m fsphil
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[07:41] <Upu_M0UPU> is this transmitting more frequently ?
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[07:45] <LeoBodnar> When Vbatt > 4.0V and Vsolar>0.55V it transmits with about 1.5 minute intervals
[07:45] <LeoBodnar> Otherwise 5 minutes
[07:46] Nick change: Semordnilap_ -> Willdude123
[07:46] <Upu_M0UPU> ah nice
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[07:47] <Willdude123> Morning Upu_M0UPU
[07:47] <Upu_M0UPU> Hi Will
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[07:47] <fsphil> predictor didn't like the insanely low descent rate I put in
[07:48] <Willdude123> Might need a new subdomain on willdover.co.uk, might need some help with that if I do. New VPS provider is a bit useless, my server is offline after a reinstall.
[07:48] <Upu_M0UPU> sure
[07:49] <LeoBodnar> haha
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[07:52] <LeoBodnar> back in half an hour
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[07:56] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, thanks. I'll have to get the VPS working first so no rush.
[07:56] <Willdude123> I'm actually quite proud that I got something under linux to work properly.
[07:57] <Willdude123> But my other VPS is too slow, or it might be RAM or a slow disk.
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[08:07] <Mik_WD8MNV> BTW... after B-15 should be I-16 : )
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[08:14] <G0TDJ_AFK> Good Morning Guys
[08:14] <Mik_WD8MNV> hi ya
[08:14] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[08:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Mik
[08:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> I see B14 is up. Been trying to decode and got one. Still a little weak here.
[08:15] <Mik_WD8MNV> after B-15 should be I-16 : )
[08:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> *whoosh* over my head :-)
[08:16] <Mik_WD8MNV> N-31... BINGO
[08:16] <cm13g09> hopefully chrisstubbs and I will fix my RX today :P
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> I just got a green from B14
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's poetic LOL
[08:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Matt?
[08:17] <cm13g09> just got gqrx working on my laptop - so we'll see if I can pick up at launch site....
[08:17] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: no....
[08:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry Mik, still not with you. Am I being thick?
[08:18] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: basically, long story short...
[08:18] <Mik_WD8MNV> you don't play BINGO in europe?
[08:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Apologies, brain like a sieve. Were you with Chris at the conference?
[08:18] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: no
[08:18] <cm13g09> I wasn't at the conf
[08:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mik_WD8MNV: We do but I don't LOL
[08:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, OK.
[08:18] <cm13g09> but basically, I've not been able to RX anything for months
[08:18] <cm13g09> and can't work out why
[08:18] <LeoBodnar> morning Steve
[08:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> MOrning Leo :D
[08:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: I hope you fix it. It's like having an arm missing
[08:19] <Mik_WD8MNV> each column is 15 numbers... 75 total, so B = 1 - 15, I = 16 - 30 etc
[08:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mik_WD8MNV: I have no idea if that's how Eu bingo is. However, I can appreciate your joke :-)
[08:20] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: we think it's likely to be easier to figure out why if the payload and the RX are within 10m of each other ;)
[08:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Could you Rx anything at all?
[08:20] <cm13g09> yeah - local FM radio is OK
[08:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[08:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Using a dongle?
[08:21] <cm13g09> yep
[08:21] <Mik_WD8MNV> is this gqrx + dongle?
[08:21] <cm13g09> yup
[08:21] <LeoBodnar> Lol this must be proper bingo geek stuff! I have only seen Bingo from the outside
[08:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Finicky little bu££ers
[08:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: B14 slowly drifting up in freq. FYI
[08:22] <LeoBodnar> Cheers, I can see it too
[08:22] <Mik_WD8MNV> that and the dongle may not indicate the exact frequency on all bands... for instance on 2 meters mine is 10 khz low... 144.190 but receives 144.200
[08:22] <LeoBodnar> Not sure what that is. I have stopped locking to GPS due to power saving issues, I might possibly bring it back
[08:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still weak here but getting intermittent greens
[08:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> Leo, Surely it's Temp? Do a temp/Freq plot
[08:23] <LeoBodnar> It's drifting really badly now
[08:23] <LeoBodnar> Let's see if it settles
[08:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: I've only done the most basic of stuff with a dongle. I keep meaning to get it back out because I could Rx more than one payload. It means major mucking about though.
[08:24] <cm13g09> m
[08:24] <cm13g09> *mm
[08:24] <LeoBodnar> This might be a software bug as I still have some freq correction code scattered around
[08:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: It doesn't seem as strong as previous launches. Is that a power thing or just a hill in the way
[08:25] <Upu_M0UPU> hill I suspect
[08:25] <Upu_M0UPU> its fine here
[08:25] <LeoBodnar> It's going away from you as well
[08:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Antony, Thanks
[08:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, doesn't help
[08:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anthony, sorry. Not awake to type correctly LOL
[08:25] <Upu_M0UPU> woah is that really coming my way
[08:25] <Upu_M0UPU> and fsphil
[08:26] <Upu_M0UPU> that a nice pass over all the northern stations :)
[08:27] <LeoBodnar> I like it oop norf
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[08:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Chris
[08:28] <cm13g09> morning chrisstubbs
[08:29] <chrisstubbs> morning
[08:29] <chrisstubbs> Might need to have a rethink about today if steve thinks the balloon will make it to 25km
[08:29] <cm13g09> for the first time in months I actually have a free weekend lol
[08:29] <chrisstubbs> either overfill it or move the launch site a few miles west
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[08:32] <fsphil> the predictor didn't see that coming
[08:32] <fsphil> it's almost direcctly north
[08:32] <Upu_M0UPU> it will go over 15km chrisstubbs
[08:32] <Upu_M0UPU> way over
[08:33] <Martin_G4FUI> First decode from one of Leo's floaters! :)
[08:33] <Upu_M0UPU> congrats :)
[08:33] <Upu_M0UPU> have you done a hysplit Leo ?
[08:34] <LeoBodnar> It's been changing all the time last night, let me do it again
[08:34] <chrisstubbs> arse, right in the blackwater
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[08:37] <LeoBodnar> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/14569_trj001.gif
[08:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wow :-)
[08:38] Action: fsphil warms up the receiver
[08:38] <LeoBodnar> This path doesn't make much sense
[08:38] <LeoBodnar> to me
[08:38] <fsphil> doesn't does it
[08:39] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: yes, I thought that
[08:39] <cm13g09> right - well
[08:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well, if I remember the weather forecast last night, the wind was coming in from EU that way and up
[08:39] <cm13g09> I have gqrx, dl-fldigi
[08:39] <cm13g09> just need something to track ;)
[08:41] <fsphil> that prediction seems to suggest it'll be Monday morning by the time it gets here
[08:41] <LeoBodnar> Is SP3OSJ using some sort of altitude control?
[08:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: This is the kind of thing on the weather forecast last night. http://www.windfinder.com/weather-maps/forecast/unitedkingdom#5/55.379/-3.428
[08:43] <Upu_M0UPU> no leo
[08:43] <Upu_M0UPU> its way heavier than yours
[08:43] <Upu_M0UPU> at least 25g :)
[08:44] <LeoBodnar> It must be surface wind G0TDJ_Steve ?
[08:44] <LeoBodnar> So does this look like condensation?
[08:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Probably, I'm still learning this stuff :-)
[08:45] <LeoBodnar> 6000m is a horrible flight level for
[08:45] <LeoBodnar> picking up moisture
[08:46] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: I am trying to learn practical meteorology for 10 years so far :D
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[08:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ahhh, I may have a ways to go then....
[08:46] <Upu_M0UPU> thats normal for a 36" foil with 25-30g on it
[08:48] <LeoBodnar> I have a colleague that has been paragliding and flying gliders for 30-40 years and he says he is still none the wiser
[08:48] <LeoBodnar> *who
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[08:49] <Mik_WD8MNV_> test
[08:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> test successful
[08:49] <LeoBodnar> Is it really difficult to balance two superpressured balloons then? I have read that it's quite a challange.
[08:49] <LeoBodnar> successful has been tested OK
[08:50] <Mik_WD8MNV_> saw the ping timeout
[08:50] <x-f> SP3OSJ is a little worried about blowing up his battery, it seems to be overcharging
[08:50] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: Steve, read through this manual. I have found it very informative and interesting on a number of subjects http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aircraft/media/FAA-H-8083-11.pdf
[08:51] <LeoBodnar> Is he using rechargeable?
[08:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Leo, I'll stash that for a read
[08:51] <x-f> LeoBodnar, i think he's using a regular Energizer Lithium
[08:51] <LeoBodnar> It's FAA hot air ballooning manual including navigation and weather
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[08:52] <LeoBodnar> Ah, and he is charging them?
[08:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wouldn't mind a hard copy of that.
[08:52] <LeoBodnar> I wanted to try this too
[08:52] <LeoBodnar> ditto
[08:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: http://bookstore.gpo.gov/products/sku/050-007-01375-2 International price $53.20!
[08:59] <LeoBodnar> UK version is 11 pages long and says "Learn from the mistakes of others; you might not live long enough to make them all yourself."
[08:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[08:59] <LeoBodnar> http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20110217SSL16.pdf
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[09:00] <LeoBodnar> So what if all the balloon pilots are finally perfect? How can the new generation learn from mistakes if nobody is making any? Thus they will not learn. Thus they will all be bad pilots.
[09:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks Leo, I'll have a good read up later.
[09:01] <LeoBodnar> Logical paradox
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[09:04] <LeoBodnar> Hmm, there was a sharp drop of SP3OSJ internal temperature just before descending http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7873013#g/battery,altitude,temperature_internal
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[09:07] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, PM, I need to pick your brain
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[09:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry Leo, Totally lost B14 now
[09:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> However, My friend Lee seems to be OK about a mile away
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[09:27] <fsphil> sounds like you're in a shadow G0TDJ_Steve
[09:27] <fsphil> aww, SP3OSJ coming down
[09:27] <fsphil> unless it does a B-12
[09:27] <fsphil> or was that B-11?
[09:28] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What on earth is B-14 doing taking off at this hour! Unprecedented!
[09:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: Yeah, the hill can be a right PITA but actually, the sig has come back again.
[09:29] <fsphil> stick a remote receiver on top of the hill :)
[09:29] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: B-11 did yoyo on ascent
[09:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'd love that.
[09:29] <LeoBodnar> Passive reflector?
[09:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've thought about that Leo
[09:30] <LeoBodnar> "passive" is redundant lol
[09:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[09:30] <fsphil> we where going to try that once with 2.4ghz wifi, but never got permission
[09:30] <LeoBodnar> re-radiator
[09:30] <fsphil> a yagi connected to another yagi
[09:30] <LeoBodnar> permission for that?!
[09:30] <fsphil> oh the hill was in private land
[09:30] <fsphil> they didn't want us sticking antennas on it
[09:31] <LeoBodnar> morning Geoff-G8DHE-M :)
[09:31] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Morning Leo I'm going to have to have a word with th CAA ... ugh no they don't matter for you!
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What the plan / anything special with this one ?
[09:32] <LeoBodnar> Make cows swallow two yagis each and let them ramble around
[09:32] <LeoBodnar> Hoping to stop it killing the battery overnight with shutting down when voltage goes low
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right lets hope it will hang around close enough to get seberal nights ;-)
[09:34] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> *several
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[09:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The freq. seems to be drifting ? Or is it me ?
[09:40] <LazyLeopard> It's been drifting up....
[09:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yup controlling it remote here so I don't have my freq. ref turned on to check.
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[09:45] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, got a minute to sort out the subdomains?
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[09:53] <Laurenceb__> hi
[09:54] <Laurenceb__> whats the free lift on B-14?
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[09:56] <LeoBodnar> 4.5grams
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[09:57] <Laurenceb__> ah - thought the ascent was fast
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[09:57] <Laurenceb__> is it slightly heavier than B-13?
[09:58] <LeoBodnar> no, probably slightly lighter - it has not stretched yet
[09:58] <Laurenceb__> yeah it seems to be drifitng upwards
[09:59] <Laurenceb__> so you have tested the battery in this one?
[09:59] <LeoBodnar> Yeah
[09:59] <LeoBodnar> I might have set up charging voltage a bit too high
[09:59] <LeoBodnar> 4.28V
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[09:59] <LeoBodnar> Should not be too bad though
[09:59] <Laurenceb__> aiui 4.35v works for 50 cycles
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> you need to decrease voltage a bit below 5C
[10:00] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, we should sit back and see what happens :)
[10:00] <Laurenceb__> so it looks about right
[10:01] <LeoBodnar> Too much sun :D
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[10:01] <fsphil> not a common complaint
[10:02] <LeoBodnar> hahaha
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[10:03] <LeoBodnar> Does frequency drift stay within Dimono bandwidth? I think some rogue freq correction code kicked in with junk input
[10:04] <LeoBodnar> It's not normal. Hmmm
[10:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its shifted one complete bandwidth out by now I am pretty certain
[10:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> its was 434.498??? its now 434.499.028 and climbing
[10:08] <LeoBodnar> Hm, looks like either a dud TCXO chip or a bug in the code
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[10:08] <picasso_> hi all
[10:08] <Laurenceb__> thats not huge drift
[10:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is for aLeo!
[10:09] <Martin_G4FUI> There's a 10 minute updating screengrab of my SpectrumLab display of B-14 at www.g4fui.net/meteors.html towards the bottom of the page
[10:11] <LeoBodnar> Beautiful pictures
[10:11] <Laurenceb__> wow nice long flight prediction
[10:11] <Laurenceb__> should be in range for as long as B-11 maybe
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[10:13] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Its suprisingly slow moving for the next couple of days!
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[10:14] <LeoBodnar> Is NOAA the only source of these sort of air movement predictions?
[10:15] <chrisstubbs> Updated prediction for CHEAPO today: http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=e50c4a7e8ef77b37e4b5779bedfe526e6416e94f
[10:16] <Laurenceb__> I'm sure theres EU based models
[10:16] <Laurenceb__> but not open access
[10:16] <enkidu> GEM model
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[10:21] <enkidu> canadian one, but has w10, w925, w850 and w300
[10:21] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: have you noticed SP3OSJ had a 5C temperature dip before coming down? http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7873013#g/battery,altitude,temperature_internal
[10:22] <LeoBodnar> is it easy to use enkidu ?
[10:22] <Laurenceb__> ah yes
[10:22] <enkidu> I should ask guy, that is running one of the meteo pages
[10:22] <Laurenceb__> look at the solar
[10:22] <Laurenceb__> it hit clouds it seems
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[10:23] <Laurenceb__> interesting
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[10:25] <Laurenceb__> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4274971&cid=44977185
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[10:26] <enkidu> so true :D
[10:27] <Ljj> what is the solar measurment???
[10:28] <enkidu> I hope, that SP3OSJ start ascending, it would be just over terrain level now
[10:29] <LeoBodnar> volts Ljj
[10:29] <Willdude123> Hmm. I believe I've found a method for playing movies that I torrent at school.
[10:30] <Willdude123> The filter blocks most dodgy sites.
[10:30] <Willdude123> If I download the torrents through the web interface, or SSH, then stream with VLC. Simples meow.
[10:31] <Ljj> if solar is volts ... then sp3osj didn't hit clouds
[10:31] <Ljj> it got out of clouds!!!
[10:31] <Ljj> right?
[10:31] <Willdude123> Will test it on Monday. If it works, not sure who to tell, IT or all the other students.
[10:32] <enkidu> Ljj: it got rather between... look at the voltage - rising and falling again.
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[10:32] <LeoBodnar> I am not sure how SP3OSJ power system works altogether. His primary cell seems to be charging?! It increased the voltage even with dropping temperature
[10:34] <enkidu> I am pretty sure it landed on mountain
[10:34] <Ljj> the "problem" is that internal temp started to rise as soon as it reached max altitude
[10:34] <enkidu> charging produces heat
[10:35] <LeoBodnar> Charging primary lithium battery twice so! If this is what happened
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[10:35] <LeoBodnar> Is it by design? I wanted to do some tests on gently replenishing energizer lithiums
[10:36] <LeoBodnar> Maybe Arthur did it on purpose
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[10:37] <fsphil> if I got a bit of altitude here I could probably receive B-14 now
[10:37] <Ljj> maybe... but he did it on the wrong side of the borders hihi!!
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[10:38] <Upu_M0UPU> coming right to you fsphil
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[10:39] <enkidu> LeoBodnar: actually he is using alkalines
[10:39] <fsphil> I'll try and get a picture of it if it flies over at a sensible hour :)
[10:39] <enkidu> rechargeable few times
[10:40] <LeoBodnar> Ah one of these rechargeable AA?
[10:41] <LeoBodnar> Alkalines don't like cold, do they?
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[10:41] <enkidu> LeoBodnar: regular ones are rechargeable too, just... 3-4 times
[10:42] <enkidu> they are heating up while charged
[10:42] <LeoBodnar> yeah I remember this from my childhood
[10:42] <gonzo_> leo, is the B14 tx cebtred on .300 of is that the dial freq?
[10:43] <bertrik> but if heated from solar charging, they wouldn't get much hotter than just receiving direct sunlight?
[10:43] <gonzo_> Ah, the fun of taking all the batteries out of your toys an xmas day and lining them up on the radiator to tet an extra hour;s play time
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[10:47] <enkidu> fun of cleaning toys when yo forgot abot removing zinc batteries
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[10:56] <fsphil> what frequency is it on now?
[10:56] <fsphil> not that I can tune that accuratly without seeing it
[10:56] <fsphil> but will give it a go
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[10:57] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: what's the latest news?
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[10:58] <LeoBodnar> gonzo_: 434.500MHz USB dial and modem centre on 1200Hz for me [at the moment]
[10:59] <fsphil> thanks
[10:59] <GMT> is it the usual "TX every 5 minutes" payload?
[10:59] <fsphil> just the regular QRM atm
[11:00] <Martin_G4FUI> GMT, it's txing 2 strings every 90 or so seconds with "pips" in between
[11:01] <GMT> okay, thanks ... just caught the end of a transmission
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[11:07] <LeoBodnar> If anything, GPS altitude is not spiky anymore
[11:11] <fsphil> is it sending a log?
[11:12] <GMT> any news on CHEAPO yet?
[11:12] <iain_G4SGX> ICICIC preamble? Seems to work
[11:14] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, going to leave in 10 mins
[11:15] <chrisstubbs> will give you a call when we are down there
[11:15] <cm13g09> ok chrisstubbs no problem
[11:15] <chrisstubbs> everything *seems* to be working, how worrying
[11:15] <cm13g09> GMT: there will be
[11:15] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> chrisstubbsAFK
[11:15] <cm13g09> when Chris, Chris and I (another Chris) get it up in the air ;)
[11:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: chrisstubbsAFK Good luck guys :D
[11:16] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: ta
[11:16] <cm13g09> ISH BST comes into its own again
[11:16] <GMT> anyone in the UK heard the Polish balloon on HF yet?
[11:17] <fsphil> gqrx keeps crashing :/
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[11:19] <fsphil> no, it's pulseaudio again
[11:19] <enkidu> fsphil: you can build it without PA
[11:19] <cm13g09> fsphil: Usual problem then....
[11:19] <cm13g09> PA is involved....
[11:19] <fsphil> enkidu: I can't seem to. It uses PA to read from the FCD
[11:20] <enkidu> yes, you can switch to portaudio in .pro file
[11:20] <enkidu> then just regular alsa tricks and you are home
[11:21] <cm13g09> So far... (touch wood) I've never had a PA problem
[11:21] <cm13g09> but then I guess I'm lucky
[11:23] <fsphil> insisting on PA enkidu
[11:23] <enkidu> ive both binaries, PA and alsa one. just one thing - alsa wants default device, but I think it can be changed
[11:24] <gonzo_> LeoBodnar, thanks. Think I was getting confused with the CHEEPO flight announcemnet
[11:24] <enkidu> how FCD need PA?
[11:25] <fsphil> fldigi really needs I/Q source support :)
[11:26] <enkidu> fcd appears as sound device, right?
[11:27] <fsphil> woo, building with portaudio
[11:29] <fsphil> and now it won't see the fcd
[11:29] <enkidu> wait, will make a patch - it relies on "default" device, however I can use any source and any sink
[11:30] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: yes every two hours but only during the day
[11:31] <fsphil> the logs have the date string too?
[11:31] <Tommo> GMT SEBA-4 was postponed so no HF today
[11:32] <bertrik> B-14 is now on an approximately 1 minute schedule for dominoex?
[11:33] <GMT> okay, thanks Tommo
[11:34] <enkidu> fsphil: I will need about one hour of coding to find a problem, but have failed server too
[11:34] <Laurenceb__> is STS-8 an altitude attempt?
[11:34] <LeoBodnar> yes fsphil
[11:35] <x-f> Laurenceb__, SEBA4 is the altitude attempt
[11:35] <x-f> no, SEBA5
[11:35] <x-f> SEBA4 was HF payload
[11:35] <fsphil> no rush enkidu
[11:35] <fsphil> thanks LeoBodnar :)
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> logs are exact copy of already transmitted strings
[11:36] <LeoBodnar> bertrik: yes during the day
[11:38] <GMT> CHEAPO appears on the map
[11:41] <LeoBodnar> Need more balloons!
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[11:48] <bertrik> Unfortunately, B-14 seem to be just out of range for us (revspace receiver), haven't seen a blip of it, and B-14 isn't getting any closer or higher
[11:50] <fsphil> very slowly heading my way
[11:52] <GMT> odd how B14 track is heading north, but CHEAPO seems to show an eastward track
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[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> It goes North first CHEAPO then at higher alt. it turns East
[11:53] <iain_G4SGX> My dial is showing 434.502 @ 1400 on the waterfall. Is my FCD+ out of calibration? Seems very high.
[11:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm showing 434.499.200 center at 1KHz
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[11:55] <iain_G4SGX> wow, I'm 2kc's out, maybe i'll go to gqrx instead of SDR# and see what happens...brb
[11:59] <GMT> my Yupi shows it as 2 khz low on .498
[11:59] <fsphil> trying gqrx on another machine
[12:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> B14 Log
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[12:06] <LeoBodnar> I have done cross-check with rubidium standard this morning. DominoEX now shows 1200Hz above 434.500
[12:07] <LeoBodnar> No guarantees to this though lol
[12:07] <enkidu> I have to update windows xp machine for cctv monitoring with SP2. it denies with "broken filse" msg. most funny, I have to download file using linux. "do you want to use windows update?"
[12:07] <fsphil> I suspect my radio is not that accurate :)
[12:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> My dial freq. is 434.500.34 and B14 is centered on 1kHz on my waterfall
[12:09] <fsphil> There's no accurate reference on 70cm near here
[12:09] <iain_G4SGX> Yep, GQRX also says my dial is high (434.502), must be the FCD 2KCs out for some reason
[12:10] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: so we are off by 140Hz?
[12:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> More likely to be tolerances?
[12:12] <LeoBodnar> This is good enough for me to know. I have a portable VCTCXO that produces 100kHz calibration spectrum. I have lined it up to 10MHz freq standard in the morning and now i can see its 434.5MHz harmonic on the waterfall 1200Hz below B-14
[12:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> I am constantly amazed how low the signal can be and FLDigi still gets data
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> Just wanted to check if my setup makes sense
[12:13] <LeoBodnar> computers eh?
[12:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Who'd 'ave'em
[12:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wonder if Chris is OK. Haven't seen an update in a while
[12:16] <GMT> no position update on CHEAPO for over 20 mins, maybe I will go see if I can find sig
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[12:17] <x-f> looks like SEBA5 stopped transmitting :/
[12:18] <LeoBodnar> Oh no! Is SEBA5 a latex floater ?
[12:19] <x-f> it was supposed to be an altitude attempt
[12:20] <enkidu> nice, I am in range but without antenna mounted yet
[12:21] <LeoBodnar> Does it have a backup tracker?
[12:21] <LeoBodnar> there were talks about HF WSPR
[12:22] <craag> CHEAPO seemed to be tracking the car on the way to the launch site
[12:22] <x-f> HF was on SEBA4 - another balloon, but it was cancelled due to unfavourable prediction
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[12:22] <craag> so just got out of terrestrial range
[12:24] <GMT> the only NOTAM for a launch that could be CHEAPO says it should launch from Chelmer Park, Chelmsford; not exactly sure where that is
[12:24] <charolastra> when will STS-8 burst?
[12:24] <craag> GMT: It's one of the new pawans I believe, so pico.
[12:25] <GMT> ah, so no NOTAM then?
[12:25] <mfa298> from chrisstubbsAFK's email it sounded like the balloon isn't supposed to go >2m so may not need a notam.
[12:25] <craag> burst diameter is supposed to be >1.6m.
[12:25] <cm13g09> mfa298: well
[12:25] <cm13g09> I'm up at the launch site....
[12:25] <cm13g09> looks less than 2m to me ;)
[12:25] <craag> heh, rtlsdr rx working?
[12:26] <charolastra> craag: i meant hight ;)
[12:26] <mfa298> cm13g09: it's the <2m for the whole flight that's the issue
[12:26] <craag> charolastra: wasn't for you :)
[12:26] <craag> I don't know about STS-8
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[12:26] <cm13g09> craag: I can hear it...
[12:26] <charolastra> ah, ok
[12:27] <cm13g09> I cant' decode it :P
[12:27] <mfa298> cm13g09: you've finally managed to rx a payload :D
[12:27] <craag> Yeah balloon should be <<<2m at launch, it'll get bigger!
[12:27] <craag> cm13g09: lol..
[12:28] <craag> tried it with sdr# on windoze?
[12:28] <cm13g09> craag: not got a Win install
[12:28] <craag> good man
[12:28] <craag> although in the current situation...
[12:28] <mfa298> cm13g09: are you still using pulse audio - you might be having the same issue as other people
[12:29] <cm13g09> mfa298: yes
[12:29] <cm13g09> PA
[12:29] <charolastra> damn it, already burst
[12:29] <cm13g09> because I don't get much choice....
[12:30] <mfa298> I think several people have found PA does weird stuff to the audio signal meaning it doesn't decode well
[12:30] <cm13g09> hmm
[12:30] <cm13g09> ok
[12:31] <craag> yeah I have yet to get a decode with gqrx on ubuntu 13.04, had suspected pulseaudio, but not had time to properly investigate.
[12:33] <cm13g09> craag: found an XP VM
[12:33] <craag> hmm sdr# in a vm...
[12:34] <cm13g09> nope
[12:34] <cm13g09> no good :P
[12:34] <mfa298> could be worth trying a 3.5 - 3.5 cable and see if that works any better
[12:34] <craag> well I guess you'll just have to whip out gdb and fix pulseaudio for us :)
[12:34] <craag> ha, or that.
[12:35] <mfa298> I've not had issues on linux with an external audio source - I've yet to do much with sdr on linux (windows partion works for that)
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[12:37] <chrisstubbs-m> ok we are good for launch
[12:37] <chrisstubbs-m> is cheapo ont he map?
[12:37] <chrisstubbs-m> and updated recently?
[12:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Just updated
[12:38] <chrisstubbs-m> awesome
[12:38] <chrisstubbs-m> just heard a big pop....
[12:38] <chrisstubbs-m> right luanch time, brb!
[12:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[12:38] <chrisstubbs-m> *launch
[12:40] <cm13g09> we're up
[12:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Coolio
[12:40] <Laurenceb__> whats SEBA5 ?
[12:41] <Laurenceb__> HF payload? no updates?
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[12:41] <Upu_M0UPU> what frequency chrisstubbs-m ?
[12:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs-m: I'll give it a while to get up a bit and retune from B14
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[12:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Chris on 434.3
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[12:43] <GMT> nothing heard here yet in W London
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[12:44] <GMT> CHEAPO is on about .297
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[12:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Got a weak signal Chris
[12:47] <chrisstubbs-m> okay
[12:47] <chrisstubbs-m> right predictor says sea
[12:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Drifting up. Dial 434.297.68
[12:48] <chrisstubbs-m> guess thats set for the wrong alt
[12:49] Action: cm13g09 picks one of 3 VMs
[12:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> $$CHEAN52,Y4854,b best so far
[12:50] <GMT> if only it was called 'CHEPO' - $$$CHEPO,529,124956,51.802360,00.417940,2/6,12,11,1.40,21*2BA3
[12:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still no good, there's a slash in the sentence
[12:51] <GMT> that's the price of the string in old money
[12:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[12:52] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[12:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Re-tune 434.298.80
[12:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sentances getting better
[12:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sentences even.... My spooling is terribel
[12:54] <GMT> the IRC 'Grammar Nazi' Bot was just about to correct you ...
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right can see it clear on the w/f not decoding yet for Cheapo
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[12:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> I have to say, it's a little ragged in the signal department
[12:58] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah its a bit fady
[12:58] <number10_M0MDB> is a bit poor
[12:58] <GMT> getting much louder here now
[12:59] <GMT> wahay, 568
[12:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes! Green
[12:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Snap GMT
[12:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Next one no good though
[12:59] <GMT> within the space of a minute the s/n went from about 12-14 dB to nearly 25dB
[12:59] <craag> If steve is right, this one's going to be a bit close to the coast I think!
[13:00] <cm13g09> craag: AAAARGH
[13:00] <cm13g09> I've lost the TV28T drivers...
[13:01] <chrisstubbs-m> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=b62dff0f0c25fe4e05fc86debbac3390e3df1ea0 suggests all should go okay
[13:01] <craag> chrisstubbs-m: Ah ok, good to see!
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 583 on the coast
[13:02] <GMT> the NL stations should start to hear it soon
[13:02] <cm13g09> I've got it....
[13:03] <cm13g09> just can't do a decode!
[13:03] <PE2G> GMT: Is it still drifting up?
[13:04] <cm13g09> anyone got a set of drivers for the RTL2832U/E4000 combo
[13:04] <mfa298> cm13g09: windows or linux ?
[13:04] <craag> cm13g09: Zadig?
[13:04] <cm13g09> Windows
[13:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes, still drifting up slowly
[13:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> E4000 ?
[13:04] <cm13g09> I have the Zadig drivers
[13:04] <cm13g09> but they won't install without the "real" drivers first
[13:05] <GMT> is that a burst?
[13:05] <GMT> CHEAPO coming down
[13:05] <craag> :(
[13:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Already?
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes I thad E8000 in mind x64 drivers if you want
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> odd
[13:05] <LeoBodnar> what?!
[13:05] <GMT> sentence 592 shows max height
[13:06] <LeoBodnar> Wasn't it supposed to be 15k?
[13:06] <LeoBodnar> It has some heritage though! :D
[13:06] <craag> LeoBodnar: Yeah, and steve said he could probably expect 25k.
[13:07] <chrisstubbs-m> could someone run a landing prediction for CHEAPO?
[13:07] <LeoBodnar> Is this true Helium?
[13:07] <craag> predictor should recognise it's falling soon
[13:07] <GMT> chrisstubbs-m: I'd suggest stopping somewhere near Kelvedon for now
[13:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Typical, I@m getting solid greens now....
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> cm13g09, Which drivers you lookiing for then ? I have the x64 windows
[13:08] <craag> chrisstubbs-m: Great Notley looks likely.
[13:08] <craag> In fact perhaps even felsted.
[13:09] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: was after the drivers to make SDR# work under Windows....
[13:09] <mfa298> should be starting to head back WNW about now
[13:09] <LeoBodnar> is this the same gas cylinder as last time?
[13:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> but not the ones in zadig ?
[13:10] <cm13g09> it's OK
[13:10] <cm13g09> I was bweing a numnut :P
[13:10] <craag> chrisstubbs-m: Take the road back in Witham towards Great Notley, then head for Felsted.
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK that's allowed from time to time ;-)
[13:11] <LeoBodnar> G Dunmow for landing?
[13:11] <mfa298> live predictor really should have picked up the decent by now.
[13:12] <mfa298> My guess is somewhere around Great/Little Dunnow
[13:12] <craag> mfa298: I think it looks for 3 strings in a row over 8m/s or something, which this payload is too light and low for.
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[13:13] <mfa298> craag: certainly something hasn't triggered to make the predictor realise burst hasn't happened.
[13:13] <cm13g09> hmm...
[13:13] <cm13g09> typical decode: "dddCHEAp_|pq20qswxp|ttvlswqrqnZdfCDAPOlvsqq1lqpx~t[_plswquqlqqr|xjAEdCEA0sqqs0|ttvqpvryq~lFE0lvqruunwyo,qrl|vp6CqA0_sqsuqyqppxqpllqntF"
[13:14] <cm13g09> I think Pulse is mucking around with my audio
[13:14] <craag> Yep looks like it.
[13:14] <cm13g09> is there any way to stop it
[13:14] <cm13g09> since my Windows partitions are all borked?
[13:14] <craag> hmmm apt-get remove pulseaudio ?
[13:14] <cm13g09> lol
[13:14] <cm13g09> that won't be enough
[13:14] <craag> no idea.
[13:15] <cm13g09> gqrx depends on PA
[13:15] <cm13g09> (in my builds anyway)
[13:15] <number10_M0MDB> signal is a lot more stable now
[13:15] <mfa298> recompile gqrx and dl-fldigi to not use pulse
[13:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Loosing sig here
[13:15] <cm13g09> lol
[13:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's true though, definitely more stable on the way down
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[13:16] <cm13g09> wtf at the live predictor?
[13:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Just got $$$ CHEATO,48,16Z21..8Y0r.....
[13:16] <cm13g09> it's saying walton on the naze....
[13:16] <craag> cm13g09: It hasn't triggered into descent mode.
[13:16] Action: mfa298 needn't have bothered plugging the fcd pro+ in.
[13:16] <cm13g09> according to this, it is
[13:17] <cm13g09> I've got a parachute...
[13:17] <chrisstubbs-m> all a bit depressing really
[13:17] <cm13g09> rather than a balloon
[13:17] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs-m: yes, I bet!
[13:17] <craag> cm13g09: Yeah that's the icon, which is client-side I think.
[13:17] <darkstar-2001> To get around the issues of pulse audio, I use a gnuradio script which outputs into a FIFO (a.k.a. pipe) which the version of dl-fldigi which I modified then reads from. Been working without a glitch since 8:30am today.
[13:17] <craag> The server-side predictor is different.
[13:18] <cm13g09> darkstar-2001: got the mods and script to hand?
[13:18] <cm13g09> and/or planning to contrib them back to the proejcts?
[13:18] <darkstar-2001> dl-fldigi is here: https://github.com/darkstar007/dl-fldigi
[13:20] <darkstar-2001> Script is trivial SSB decoder writing to an 8k file (with unbuffered = On). Mine is tangled up with a database of satellites I also look at.
[13:20] <cm13g09> ah OK
[13:20] <LazyLeopard> Oops. Blinked and missed CHEAPO...
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[13:20] Action: cm13g09 thinks lunch is in order
[13:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> LazyLeopard: CHEAPO came down early
[13:21] <GMT> lost sigs from CHEAPO
[13:21] <LazyLeopard> Ho hum... :(
[13:21] Action: G0TDJ_Steve reckons Chris should take a balloon to the recovery site and relaunch!
[13:22] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs-m: are you using the same gas cylinder as last time?
[13:22] <mfa298> so for these balloons burst 15km +/- 10km
[13:23] <chrisstubbs-m> no, different gas cylinder
[13:23] <LeoBodnar> guaranteed good Helium?
[13:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs-m: Coming down in Barnston
[13:23] <craag> mfa298: To those who say the predictor takes the fun out of it all, this brings it back!
[13:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> I hope it managed to get into the clear field
[13:24] <number10_M0MDB> chrisstubbs-m: last partial frame d$CHEAPO,680,132302,51.850529,00.398470,:X,12,11,1.37,18*vA
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Rather nice and symmetrical flight path for Cheapo ! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO/CHEAPO_201309281424.jpg
[13:25] <chrisstubbs-m> LeoBodnar: thought the helium was good, but somethings obviously gone pear shaped
[13:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs-m: In the vicinity of St. Andrews Church
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[13:25] <chrisstubbs-m> cheers steve
[13:26] <craag> More likely to be a dodgy balloon than anything to do with the helium I'd have thought?
[13:26] <chrisstubbs-m> we'll find out when we reach barnston
[13:27] <LeoBodnar> I thought that if Helium is contaminated with air then you would have to overinflate to get same lift and it will burst at lower altitude
[13:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs-m: Church is in Parsonage Lane off the B1008
[13:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> At least the surrounding area looks like easy access
[13:28] <chrisstubbs-m> GOTDJ_STEVE: Thanks :)
[13:28] <LeoBodnar> If descent and ascent speeds are the same and wind pattern does not change then groundtrack should be symmetrical around burst point
[13:29] <LeoBodnar> Or shouldn't it?
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[13:29] <craag> Leo: Yeah, I'd have thought the helium was quite well regulated though, and would require something badly wrong to end up with air compressed in the tank. Balloons are a little more difficult to spot imperfections in, and more easily damaged in transit/handling.
[13:30] <LeoBodnar> It was my immediate thought considering Chris's previous flight
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[13:31] <Laurenceb__> nice consistent float altitude on these B-* flights
[13:31] <Laurenceb__> 9.1km
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[13:31] <craag> Ah I think I missed that one, early burst too?
[13:32] <chrisstubbs-m> last balloon leaked and reached a poor 813m
[13:33] <craag> ouch
[13:35] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: there was -5C degrees drop on B-14 just like on SP3OSJ
[13:35] <bbjunkie> indeed Laurenceb - hoping for some wind from the East, it's just out of range for me
[13:35] <chrisstubbs-m> :(
[13:36] <LeoBodnar> Cheer up Chuck!
[13:36] <craag> relaunch chrisstubbs-m ?
[13:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> relaunch from recovery point
[13:37] <LeoBodnar> Airborne refuelling for extra points
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[13:38] <craag> turn left chrisstubbs-m !
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's K Phil, he's in Parsonage Lane
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[13:41] <craag> Yep saw that
[13:41] <craag> should be there by now :)
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> (&) Fingers crossed for an easy recovery
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be close to the trees on the north side of the road ?
[13:42] <craag> Should be hearing it... there we go
[13:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yay - Good position
[13:42] <GMT> position has updated, and alt changed from 214m to 75m ... chris must be close
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ground level is 72m according to GE
[13:45] <chrisstubbs-m> found it
[13:45] <GMT> excellent
[13:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yay! Well done Mate
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Rip in blloon ?
[13:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is it on the ground?
[13:45] <GMT> little bit of gaffer-tape on the split, refill, launch it again!
[13:45] <craag> lol GMT
[13:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Payload moving :-)
[13:46] <Upu_M0UPU> probably could as well :)
[13:46] <chrisstubbs-m> just gotta get to it
[13:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh?
[13:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thought you had it
[13:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Must be GPS jitter
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO/CHEAPO_201309281424_landed.jpg
[13:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> That looks hopeful
[13:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep :-)
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh its walking up to the house for them ;-)
[13:51] <chrisstubbs-m> yeah, balloon split
[13:51] <cm13g09> :(
[13:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Drat!
[13:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Too late for another go?
[13:52] <chrisstubbs-m> out of helium
[13:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah, OK
[13:52] <chrisstubbs-m> and ballons :P
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[14:00] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs-m: :(
[14:00] <cm13g09> well, at least I know why I can't pick anything up
[14:00] <tweetBot> @G8DHE: Another long duration flight ?
[14:00] <tweetBot> Flight path so far http://t.co/yFEN9TVxAh
[14:00] <tweetBot> Details of balloon http://t.co/DrI9DK4s4T
[14:00] <tweetBot> #ukhas #hamr #amsat
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[14:00] <cm13g09> RX offset of ~45kHz on the SDR
[14:01] <cm13g09> and Pulse scrambling messages ;)
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[14:07] <darkstar-2001> I've pushed into my dl-fldigi a simple gnuradio-companion script which "works for me" (TM)
[14:07] <tweetBot> @NSEballoon: Recoveered #ukhas http://t.co/RxLECryNaP
[14:08] <darkstar-2001> You'll have to manually do a 'mkfifo ~/gnuradio_fifo' and tweak the GRC script to use that and dl-fldigi to read from it.
[14:11] <cm13g09> darkstar-2001: cheers
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[14:12] <darkstar-2001> cm13g09: no probs. Let me know how it works out for you!
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[14:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right - Off for a screen break - BBL :-)
[14:14] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
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[14:18] <cm13g09> darkstar-2001: will try it next time chrisstubbs-m is flying stuff :)
[14:21] <darkstar-2001> cm13g09: OK
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[14:32] <bertrik> yay, got at least one B-14 telemetry string, at -0.1 deg elevation, 355 km distance :)
[14:32] <fsphil> nice!
[14:34] <bertrik> it's an all or nothing thing, it seems
[14:34] <bbjunkie> pretty good system performance there alright :)
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[14:37] <bertrik> and I got a $B-11 + garbage but the 11 could be a 14 misinterpreted
[14:37] <fsphil> how cool would that be
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[14:42] <bbjunkie> there has been a bit of tropo over mainland uk for the last week or more, would be nice if that enhanced things for b-14
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[14:43] <fsphil> still no sign of it here
[14:43] <fsphil> it's moving sooo slowly
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[15:05] <LeoBodnar> FCD+ software for Mac is one massive disaster
[15:06] <Maxell> bbjunkie: yeah, it goood. https://revspace.nl/HAB_Tracker_Station
[15:06] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: gqrx Mac port?
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[15:09] <Maxell> bbjunkie: 2 meter/70 cm colinear, HABamp, and rtl-sdr dongle.
[15:09] <LeoBodnar> it does not work with FCD+
[15:09] <Maxell> And good view over the Hague towards west/southwest
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> (when it does not crashes for other reasons)
[15:10] <M6GTC_nerdsville> Cool B-14 showing up on APRS map ;-)
[15:10] <Maxell> Ah, yes.
[15:10] <LeoBodnar> how come? is there a gateway?
[15:12] <LeoBodnar> Oh, it does indeed
[15:12] <M6GTC_nerdsville> I'm running a gateway on 144.800 as part of my new amateur experiments, been tracking the visitors to the local hamfest B-14 coming close to home today!
[15:12] <SP3OSJ> Hi! Please delete the map http://spacenear.us/tracker/ Flight SP3OSJ. Please do not delete autoconfiguration dl-fldigi SP3OSJ/05 (flight tomorrow again)
[15:12] Nick change: M6GTC_nerdsville -> M6GTG_nerdsville
[15:12] <fsphil> newer versions of gqrx do work with the fcd++ but I've only tested on linux
[15:14] Nick change: chrisstubbsAFK -> chrisstubbs
[15:14] <chrisstubbs> well that was dissapointing
[15:15] <fsphil> what happened it?
[15:15] <chrisstubbs> well it didnt leak
[15:16] <chrisstubbs> looked like a pretty clean split along both sides
[15:16] <chrisstubbs> it didnt disintegrate like a "normal" burst on a bigger balloon
[15:16] <SP3OSJ> Leo: You have a "Royal Hel" You're flying 9km altitude, My balloon flying my only 6km :(
[15:17] <chrisstubbs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVQWKnHIMAAq_zx.jpg:large
[15:18] <SP3OSJ> WOW Chris big balloon!
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[15:18] <LeoBodnar> SP3OSJ: you will get there too sometime :)
[15:18] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: OH!?
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[15:18] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs: interesting split!
[15:19] <chrisstubbs> Yeah, will have to report that back to steve
[15:19] <chrisstubbs> who said 25km ;)
[15:19] <LeoBodnar> maybe because it was in dense atmosphere
[15:20] <mfa298> was this a pawan ?
[15:21] <chrisstubbs> mfa298, yeah the new 100g ones
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[15:21] <craag> so pawan woo-woo >> hwoyee woo-woo it seems
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[15:22] <SP3OSJ> maybe aircraft the balloon struck
[15:22] <mfa298> so they seem to be about as predictable as the larger one someone flew a while ago (I think there was a pawan flight before)
[15:23] <chrisstubbs> SP3OSJ, possible, but I would hope not!
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[15:24] <SP3OSJ> Balloon cracked and aircraft go down
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[15:25] <chrisstubbs> nonono
[15:25] Action: chrisstubbs checks news
[15:25] <SP3OSJ> better not
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like I'm loosing B-14 behind the South Downs now :-(
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[15:27] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: if it did hit an aircraft, I can sorta believe that....
[15:27] <SP3OSJ> Ups Forbid us to fly!!!! Oh my god
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[15:28] <SP3OSJ> He did not even touch
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[15:33] <SP3OSJ> Leo: Maybe you do not you fly a hot air balloon, only aircraft!!!!
[15:34] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, did you get anything on your home PC?
[15:39] <LeoBodnar> SP3OSJ any news from SEBA?
[15:41] <LeoBodnar> x-f: cool dashboard tabs! http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7e8cbad#g
[15:41] <SP3OSJ> Leo: Seba GPS fix bad There is no reading (000.00.0000.00.000.00) . There is no record
[15:41] <SP3OSJ> There is no world record ;(
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> Oh, can you still hear the signal?
[15:43] <M6GTG_nerdsville> any ideas why Dl-Fldigi (v 3.21.50 HAB mode) is constantly becoming unresponsive and have to task-manager to kill it.. restart it and it hangs again after a few minutes?
[15:43] <fsphil> not heard of that happening before
[15:44] <SP3OSJ> super
[15:45] <M6GTG_nerdsville> did wonder if I'd left a logging option on or something like that so was choking on file update but don't think I have
[15:47] <Maxell> M6GTG_nerdsville: hah, the logging function on B-14 is blocked by APRS.fi: Location changes too fast (adaptive limit)
[15:48] <Maxell> No wait
[15:48] <Maxell> something else on that callsign is doing something weird
[15:48] <Maxell> Nevermind! http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KJ4ERJ-15
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[15:51] <jcoxon> so has someone forwarded all flights from habitat to aprs.fi?
[15:52] <GMT> only B-14 at the moment (I think)
[15:52] <jcoxon> so its more of a manual scrip
[15:52] <jcoxon> t
[15:53] <jcoxon> HB-STS-8 is on there
[15:54] <GMT> I did wonder if there was a way to get weather balloons to display; they update their position every 1s, so maybe too quick
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[15:59] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: no
[15:59] <cm13g09> I forgot that the windows install is slightly broken :P
[16:00] <cm13g09> I could hear it though :)
[16:00] <chrisstubbs> Ah cool
[16:00] <chrisstubbs> well should be able to sort it for next timwe
[16:00] <chrisstubbs> time
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[16:28] <Laurenceb__> solar is dropping off
[16:33] <fsphil> it's flying near "Dark Lane"
[16:33] <jcoxon> going to be a long flight
[16:34] <fsphil> yikes.. "Bitchfield Wood"
[16:34] <fsphil> and a town called Scotland
[16:34] <fsphil> this is a weird part of the country
[16:35] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[16:36] <fsphil> should be turning north now
[16:37] <Semordnilap> Hi people
[16:37] Nick change: Semordnilap -> Willdude123
[16:37] <Willdude123> Must change that setting... :)
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[16:41] <M6GTG_nerdsville> A very weird part indeed and the locals are even weirder
[16:45] <Laurenceb__> soon we get to see if the battery has held charge
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[16:54] <Steve_2e0vet> transmitting
[16:54] <Steve_2e0vet> is B14 still stransmitting
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[16:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[16:55] <Steve_2e0vet> if so what are the settings for fldigi
[16:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> it looks, that i have 40k floater.... with no GPS lock :-(
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> still RXing SP9UOB-Tom ?
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> Steve_2e0vet - yes still TXing 434.500 about 1-2 mins between transmissions DomEX16
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> B-14 doesn't seem to want to turn
[16:58] <Upu_M0UPU> either that or its avoiding Bradford - good call
[16:59] <daveake> At last, a computer shows intelligence
[16:59] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: yes still RXing
[16:59] <Upu_M0UPU> so why no GPS lock thats a bit odd
[17:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: slovak team had the same issue - but on the ground. GPS couldnt get lock
[17:00] <Upu_M0UPU> wierd
[17:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: my died at 9 km. But nmea sentences are still going
[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> 9km hmm
[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> is it in pedestrian mode ?
[17:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: no in airborne <4g
[17:02] <Upu_M0UPU> ok 9km is the limit for pedestrian mode
[17:02] <Steve_2e0vet> upu is it just DomEx16, no other settings needed, are you picking it up strong
[17:02] <Upu_M0UPU> its very strong yes
[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> just pick B-14 and auto config
[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> there are pips
[17:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> hmm...
[17:04] <Steve_2e0vet> cheers
[17:06] <Upu_M0UPU> txing now..
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[17:06] <Upu_M0UPU> and done
[17:06] <Steve_2e0vet> othing,
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[17:06] <Steve_2e0vet> *nothing
[17:07] <Steve_2e0vet> got something on 434.505
[17:07] <Maxell> Steve_2e0vet: blips every 3 seconds, DomEX16 packets every minute while daytime
[17:08] <Steve_2e0vet> is it USB
[17:08] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: i've just checked the code, im turning on <1g airborne on startup
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[17:09] <Upu_M0UPU> ok Tom, any cameras on there ?
[17:09] <Upu_M0UPU> I know I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs here
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[17:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: no cameras, just one tracker.
[17:11] <Upu_M0UPU> very odd in that case
[17:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: i have to check UBX responses from GPS
[17:12] <Upu_M0UPU> using power saving ?
[17:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: yes
[17:12] <Upu_M0UPU> could be that
[17:13] <Maxell> Steve_2e0vet: it is.
[17:13] <Maxell> Current B-14 dial 434.500 MHz? :P
[17:13] <Steve_2e0vet> Maxell, might get something if it gets closer, hearng nothing at the moment
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> odd
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> its high enough
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> should fly over you if it turns
[17:15] <Steve_2e0vet> just got a load of noise, nothing at all on the waterwall
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> strange
[17:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What's the setup Steve_2e0vet, its normally very easy to Rx.
[17:17] <Steve_2e0vet> FT857 and tri band vertical
[17:17] <GMT> are you not even getting the pips every few seconds?
[17:17] <Steve_2e0vet> nope
[17:17] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> What is the takeoff like to the SE ?
[17:17] <Steve_2e0vet> i am down in a dip (i think)
[17:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Umm yup that might be it, I loose it when it gets behind the South Downs, even when its 1.5 above the horizon, going South from me - over water its keeps going to 350+Km
[17:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try this http://www.heywhatsthat.com/profiler-0904.html tosee what's in the path
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[17:20] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: im digging trough the logs - first fix lost was at 7430m
[17:21] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah thats not a mode
[17:21] <Upu_M0UPU> how many sats was it just before lock lost ?
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[17:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu_M0UPU: 7
[17:22] <Upu_M0UPU> ok thats odd
[17:22] <Upu_M0UPU> this a 6 or a 7 ?
[17:22] <Upu_M0UPU> MAX
[17:22] <SP9UOB-Tom> MAX6 standart voltage version
[17:23] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm not sure in that case very odd
[17:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> NMEA messages are still going
[17:23] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[17:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> so im suspecting RF section or... aliens ;-)
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[17:28] <SP3OSJ> Today a bad day. Chris: fell, Tom: balloon destruction.
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[17:30] <enkidu> SP3OSJ your balloon probably went down due to rainfall
[17:30] <Steve_2e0vet> dont know what it means, but it doesnt look good http://imgur.com/ji1sSaU
[17:31] <Maxell> bertrik: I can't hear B-14... We are in range. Strnage
[17:31] <Maxell> Strange
[17:32] <SP3OSJ> Enkidu: ??? Damp air. Balloon made heavy and landed
[17:34] <SP3OSJ> Enkidu: The cities are the cameras I saw there was no rain
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[17:38] <LeoBodnar> SP3OSJ had 5C temperature drop just before descent
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[17:40] <LeoBodnar> could be pocket of supercooled air
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[17:40] <LeoBodnar> supercooled air? cold air
[17:40] <JDat> hello
[17:41] <JDat> any ideas how google loom baloons control altitude?
[17:41] <JDat> what mechanism is inwolved?
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[17:41] <DL7AD> hey :)
[17:42] <Maxell> Anyone have the dial voor B-14 or is it once again spot on?
[17:42] <DL7AD> 434.500 Mhz USB
[17:43] <gb73d> http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions/profile.cfm?MCode=BRRISON
[17:43] <gb73d> NASA Balloon
[17:44] <LeoBodnar> massive freq shift on B-14, suspect faulty/damaged TCXO
[17:44] <Maxell> ohhhh
[17:44] <Maxell> dial pls :P
[17:44] <Maxell> DL7AD: nope
[17:44] <SP3OSJ> Leo: I agree with you
[17:44] <gb73d> https://twitter.com/BRRISON
[17:45] <LeoBodnar> It is still 434.500MHz but audio modem is about 600Hz so better tune to 434.499
[17:47] <DL7AD> is there a video on youtube receving B-14?
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[17:47] <Maxell> LeoBodnar: thanks, I see the number of tracker greatly reduced
[17:48] <LeoBodnar> Lol, you can see who has left their stations now :D
[17:48] <craag> You've got everyone too comfortable with just walking away and leaving it :)
[17:49] <Maxell> 17:34:41 all fine, 17:37:26 juse one tracker
[17:49] <Maxell> yep
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[17:51] <LeoBodnar> It's nice to have a problem now and then :D
[17:51] <birilloso> hello
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[17:53] <LeoBodnar> hi
[17:54] <Laurenceb__> looks like this battery is holding out
[17:54] <Laurenceb__> -28C
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> but TCXO is drifting lol
[17:55] <Laurenceb__> id guess it stabilises once everything is cool
[17:55] <Laurenceb__> same TCXO as before?
[17:55] <Laurenceb__> ooh sunset
[17:55] <LeoBodnar> yes, they were very good, maybe damaged it or just dud sample?
[17:56] <Laurenceb__> i dunno
[17:57] <Laurenceb__> how does it decide how often to Tx ?
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> i know you don't! just checking you know i do
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> 5 min when Vbatt < 4.0V or Vsolar < 0.55v
[17:58] <Laurenceb__> ah
[17:59] <LeoBodnar> massive drift
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> -32C
[18:00] <Laurenceb__> wow
[18:01] <LeoBodnar> and the sun is not fully down yet
[18:03] <GMT> so what freq do I tune to now?
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[18:06] <darkstar-2001> I'm about 3kHz below where I was this afternoon - not sure how much of that is me!
[18:06] <M6GTG_nerdsville> Go off to have some tea and all hell breaks loose ;-)
[18:07] <GMT> it's all your fault!
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> haha indeed
[18:08] <M6GTG_nerdsville> managed one packet, it's better than playing an xbox
[18:09] <mfa298> M6GTG_nerdsville: you can always try putting the xbox to better use and have it show spacenear.us
[18:09] <craag> "hab tracking, better than playing an xbox"
[18:09] <craag> makes me feel left out down here in soton :(
[18:09] <GMT> do they not have xbox's in soton then?
[18:10] <craag> haha I don't
[18:10] <craag> and don't have B-14 either..
[18:10] <GMT> I don't think *anybody* has B-14
[18:10] <craag> yeah, i meant signal from B-14
[18:11] <M6GTG_nerdsville> Comes of chasing satellites, following a signal on the waterfall is something I'm getting quite good at
[18:11] <GMT> well, I've found the pips, waiting to see what happens
[18:11] <craag> Shouldn't need to follow B-14 really
[18:12] <craag> oh wait, mind-blank, broken tcxo
[18:12] <M6GTG_nerdsville> yes drifting not to bad, had to increase filter width/factor to get decode
[18:13] <bertrik> M6GTG_nerdsville: which satellites do you normally chase?
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[18:14] Action: craag needs a script to curl hab-supplies and grep for ntx2b
[18:15] <GMT> bingo, got it!
[18:15] <Laurenceb__> wow its cold
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> Chasing signals on waterfalls like goot 'ol times :D
[18:16] <M6GTG_nerdsville> amateur and various cubesats Arissat-1, fitsat, strand-1 the phonesats over the last couple of years
[18:16] <LeoBodnar> *good
[18:16] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was really hard day (and 2 H2 cylinders was heavy) Good night!
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[18:16] <LeoBodnar> good night Tom
[18:16] <M6GTG_nerdsville> chasing it via a slow VNC connection is even more fun..
[18:16] <Mik_WD8MNV_> nite
[18:17] <Upu_M0UPU> could do with stopping drifting :/
[18:17] <Upu_M0UPU> how am I suppose to afk track :)
[18:17] <Upu_M0UPU> that is going right over my house as well
[18:17] <bertrik> M6GTG_nerdsville: we managed some to receive some pieces of strand-1 traffic, but it was fading in and out
[18:17] <LeoBodnar> lol this is how you separate professionals from wannabes
[18:17] <bertrik> we don't really have the right antenna
[18:17] <Upu_M0UPU> current prediction is 20 meters horizontal over my house :)
[18:18] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed LeoBodnar :)
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> broken TCXO Upu_M0UPU
[18:18] <Upu_M0UPU> seems to have settled now
[18:18] <LeoBodnar> well "TC" part
[18:18] <Upu_M0UPU> might be worth pinging M0DTS
[18:19] <Maxell> bertrik: fading in and out?!
[18:19] <Upu_M0UPU> right afk
[18:19] <Maxell> I heard it stopping and starting just fine
[18:19] <Maxell> however, 7.2 dB gain for HABs might not help for sats so high
[18:19] <M6GTG_nerdsville> some of my past sat stuff and hab stuff on my blog www.radioantics.co.uk if your interested, nothing too serious just keen amateur with SDR and limited funds ;-)
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[18:24] <craag> LeoBodnar: m0dts is on the case
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[18:38] <LeoBodnar> this is not a drifty oscillator, this is a Slow Scan Spread Spectrum
[18:38] <fsphil> ooh heading north
[18:39] <fsphil> signal problems?
[18:41] <M6GTG_nerdsville> Not sure it is who left their stations, but those with a tendancy for OCD ;-)
[18:42] <M6GTG_nerdsville> lol.. sorry replying to a message way back.. damn scroll bar ;-)
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[18:43] <fsphil> hehe, been there done that :)
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[18:46] <Upu_M0UPU> -37'c
[18:46] <Upu_M0UPU> thats pretty damn cold
[18:46] <fsphil> ah
[18:46] <fsphil> that'll explain it
[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> signal is fine
[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> at the moment
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[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> I think the frequency drop caused all the people who'd left stations going to disappear
[18:47] <fsphil> ah
[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> but is that battery going to work much longer at that temp
[18:47] <fsphil> where is it now?
[18:47] <fsphil> frequency wise
[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.497
[18:47] <Upu_M0UPU> 498
[18:48] <fsphil> dial?
[18:48] <DutchMillbt> 434.497.74
[18:48] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.497.78
[18:48] <Upu_M0UPU> ok so we agree :)
[18:48] <fsphil> what offset?
[18:50] <Upu_M0UPU> 1500
[18:50] <Steve_2e0vet> thought i would have heard it by now
[18:50] <Upu_M0UPU> me too
[18:50] <Upu_M0UPU> its very strong
[18:50] <Steve_2e0vet> 434.497 USB - nothing but noise
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> SEBA5 is still flying $$SEBA5,2029,18:49:37,000.0,000.0,0,0,0,0,158,-23,08*E9B9
[18:51] <Upu_M0UPU> yup no lock
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> So it still gets GPS time but not GPS coords hmmm
[18:51] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that is very very odd
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> So RF front end hasn't been blown
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[18:52] <LeoBodnar> Did it get reset and missed going into airborne mode?
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[18:52] <fsphil> SEBA5 an HF flight?
[18:53] <Upu_M0UPU> not sure good question
[18:53] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[18:53] <Upu_M0UPU> HF stuff was removed I think
[18:53] <Upu_M0UPU> -37'C is pretty nasty for a LiPo
[18:54] <Upu_M0UPU> think this is going to last the night LeoBodnar ?
[18:54] <M6GTG_nerdsville> the HF flight was SEBA4 wasn't it? the scrubbed one
[18:54] <fsphil> the sensor could be lying
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> It started missing lock gradually
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> 233,11:41:00,50.06630767,19.09216733,7430,128,132,7,2.64,3,cb
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> 234,11:41:17,0.0,0.0,0,0,0,0,2.7,3,48
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[18:54] <LeoBodnar> 237,11:42:15,50.05174717,19.1199725,7685,115,126,7,2.64,2,cb
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> So it was gradual problem creeping up
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> UART baudrate grmlins strike again?
[18:55] <Steve_2e0vet> when will B14 stop transmitting
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> well
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> its getting time ?
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> http://habitat.habhub.org/habitat/_design/ept/_list/csv/payload_telemetry/flight_payload_time?include_docs=true&startkey=[%22120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7ade72a%22,%22efb0b2cd1c71e61e9f3d423964c45342%22]&endkey=[%22120d309024cfd89edfcd528fa7ade72a%22,%22efb0b2cd1c71e61e9f3d423964c45342%22,[]]&fields=sentence_id,time,latitude,longitude,altitude,speed,heading,satellites,battery,temperature_internal,flags
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> Oops sry
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> Time is a shorter sentence
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> Steve_2e0vet: it won't until battery drops below 3.5v
[18:58] <Steve_2e0vet> thanks, never know might hear it when its over my house lol
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> hehe keep looking
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[19:02] <LeoBodnar> Check out SEBA5 battery/temperature after lock loss - they went from -16C to +22C and then to -25C again
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> Did it do a massive yo-yo?
[19:02] <Laurenceb__> SEBA5 sounds like an exiciting float
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> Or was it a fire on-board?
[19:02] <Laurenceb__> pity theres no data
[19:02] <Laurenceb__> hehe onboard fire
[19:02] <LeoBodnar> DF!
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[19:03] <LeoBodnar> Or did it go into ionosphere?
[19:04] <SP3OSJ> #habhub
[19:04] <LeoBodnar> Would be interesting to plot temperauture and deduce altitude
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> you need to do //join before that SP3OSJ
[19:05] <LeoBodnar> single slash though
[19:06] <LeoBodnar> negating sun heating and internal electronics heat generation
[19:06] <Steve_2e0vet> whats the website to check notams
[19:09] <Steve_2e0vet> found it
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[19:13] <MIG-29> hello there!
[19:13] <MIG-29> is anybody online?
[19:14] <M6GTG_nerdsville> oh lovely clear sky tonight, not surprised it is cold
[19:14] <craag> MIG-29: Plenty of us :)
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[19:15] <MIG-29> he he he nice to hear this!
[19:15] <MIG-29> can anybody help me with a little bit of consultancy about the website http://spacenear.us/tracker/ ?
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[19:16] <craag> MIG-29: Questions? shoot
[19:16] <MIG-29> I opened the website and I know the general idea: it is a website that provides tracking capability for high altitude balloons missions
[19:16] <MIG-29> however... I don't get it how I can tell which mission is active right now and which mission has finished a while ago?
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[19:17] <MIG-29> for example... right now I see a payload with a parachute and a payload with a balloon over SlovAKIA (more or less). are they active?
[19:17] <craag> Look in the boxes on the left, or click on the balloons and there is a popup. In each there is a 'Time' of last updated.
[19:17] <craag> *boxes on the right
[19:18] <MIG-29> I clicked on one balloon and I see : SP3OSJ Time: 2013-09-28 10:05:58 Position: 49.16679,22.18716 Altitude: 1658 m Temperature: 6C Battery: 1.82 V Km: 577.98 Satellites: 5 Solar: 0.37 Receivers: SP8OBQ
[19:18] <MIG-29> so the time of last update is Time: 2013-09-28 10:05:58
[19:18] <MIG-29> correct?
[19:18] <craag> yes
[19:18] <MIG-29> is this UTC time?
[19:18] <craag> yep
[19:18] <MIG-29> ok
[19:19] <MIG-29> so it seems that this balloon has been landed quite a few hours ago. is this the correct interpretation?
[19:19] <craag> so if you click on the 'SP3OSJ' tab at the top, you can see that it descended, and so went out of range.
[19:19] <LeoBodnar> There is no formal way of terminating the mission
[19:19] <Steve_2e0vet> sniper rifle?
[19:19] <craag> Yeah, looking at the altitude graphs tends to be the best way.
[19:19] <LeoBodnar> So anything that has been lost contact with seems to hanging in its last state
[19:19] <LeoBodnar> until it is manually deleted
[19:20] <craag> brb
[19:20] <MIG-29> May I suggest to update the website so there would be a tag on the object saying its actual status based on the time from the last update and altitude?\
[19:20] <M6GTG_nerdsville> Oh B-14 going near Waddington not sure what the AWACS will make of it ;-)
[19:20] <Laurenceb__> armstrongs mixture
[19:20] <Laurenceb__> in a little pouch on the side of the envelope
[19:21] <MIG-29> where can I get a table with future planned high altitude balloon missions? So I would know when to look on the website to follow them and _maybe_ be able to receive APRS data from them?
[19:22] <mfa298> MIG-29: it's hard to automatically know when a flight is finished. There was a balloon a couple of weeks ago that went out of range for a couple of days and then re-appeared when it was back in range
[19:22] <Steve_2e0vet> is it hit or miss if notams get authorised?
[19:23] <mfa298> MIG-29: Launches are normally announced on http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas - although not many use APRS - most are RTTY on 434MHz (using the ISM band)
[19:23] <craag> MIG-29: Join the mailing list ^^
[19:23] <craag> *Most* get announced. Looking at you LeoBodnar!
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> Blushing
[19:24] <MIG-29> I will join it! :) thanks for the information! :)
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> Will announce B-14 tomorrow
[19:24] <MIG-29> What is the advantage of RTTY on 434 Mhz vs APRS? I am curious on the reasons of why most people tend not to use APRS
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[19:24] <SP9UOB-Tom> hello again :-)
[19:24] <Steve_2e0vet> aprs isnt allowed in UK
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> Yo Tom
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> we are maesuring azimuth - SEBA3 is over PINSK/Belarus now
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> Airborne amateur radio is not allowed in any form in the UK
[19:25] <MIG-29> is it basically authorization issue or also technical issue?
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> seba5
[19:25] <mfa298> the first reason is that not all of europe allows amateur radio airborne (so arps on standard frequency isn't allowed)
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> so its turning north now
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> Minsk?
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> Pinsk
[19:26] <mfa298> but the 434Mhz ISM band allows airborne use - and rtty using SSB makes best use of the limited power
[19:26] <LeoBodnar> Bad place to be if you are carrying any propaganda on the balloon
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: just small note "harmless scientific experiment" ;-)
[19:26] <LeoBodnar> 5 years then
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> LOL :-)
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> joking
[19:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway this is not funny at all ;-)
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> Why temperature went down to -16C then up to +22C and back down to -21C?
[19:28] <LeoBodnar> -38C
[19:28] <MIG-29> LeoBodnar this might be a wrong reading. Temperature measurement on high altitude balloons can be very tricky
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> I think Tom has flown this very same config before?
[19:30] <LeoBodnar> So measured temp profile should be recorded somewhere from another flight
[19:33] <SP3OSJ> Evening all. Please delete the map http://spacenear.us/tracker/ Flight SP3OSJ. Please do not delete autoconfiguration dl-fldigi SP3OSJ/06 (flight tomorrow again)
[19:34] <iain_G4SGX> Is it me or is B-14 drifting very slightly up?
[19:35] <jcoxon> SP3OSJ, deleted
[19:35] <jcoxon> will need a refresh
[19:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: temperature is measured by RFM22, and i had experimental insulation (low dentisity foam), painted to pink. So Im suspecting sun :-)
[19:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: now battery is getting hotter and hotter - this is CR123
[19:37] <db_g6gzh> Oh B-14 moved frequency again. You must tell us your slow spreading algorithm LeoBodnar 8-)
[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> CR123A can be really hot when discharged beyond its limits :-)
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> db_g6gzh: this is part of the fun! :D
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> Slow Sperading Spectrum ;-)
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> When does it cut off? SP9UOB-Tom
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[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: MCP1640 shoult turn itself off at about 0.7V
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> This algorithm allows to get around local QRM db_g6gzh :)
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> 1.21V now
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: and CR123A is really hot then :-)
[19:40] <db_g6gzh> If only it did
[19:40] Action: LazyLeopard was asleep... Where's B-14 drifted to, frequency-wise?
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> I'd say 434.498
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[19:41] <db_g6gzh> it's down about 2kHz but meandering
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:42] <LeoBodnar> Is there a guide on how to use filters in payload docs? E.g. convert "121" to "1.21"?
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> There are references to routine names, etc
[19:42] <LeoBodnar> Hi Lunar_Lander
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi LeoBodnar
[19:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i have to implement hardware poweroff/on for GPS in next revision
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[19:44] <Steve_2e0vet> not only can i not recieve B-14 now my freeview is playing up
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[19:45] <LazyLeopard> Thanks. Got it that time.
[19:45] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, hi?
[19:45] <fsphil> Steve_2e0vet: RF blackhole
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> don't SP9UOB-Tom
[19:45] <x-f> zeusbot lied, i got no email
[19:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: hello
[19:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: do You have receiver ?
[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> liar! ;-)
[19:46] <x-f> yes, i do
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> To reset it or save power SP9UOB-Tom ?
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[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> could You tyy to listen at 437.59230 ?
[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> could You try to listen at 437.59230 ?
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[19:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: to Reset in case of long time without lock
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> OK
[19:47] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, i have a RTLSDR, it won't be that precise, but sure, i'll try
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> Are you sure it will save the problem? You are getting the time OK
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, at least we are not up the creek with no canoe
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> software reset doesnt help... or receiver does not respond for commands
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> Ah, you are not polling the UBLOX?
[19:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes, flag 0x08 means - NMEA sentences are still going
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> craag, evening
[19:49] <LeoBodnar> Have you used these receivers often?
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[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: No, i want to have universal tracker, so im parsing nmea
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[19:49] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander
[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes, allmose every flight is with uBLOX
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> craag, do you remember last sunday with our election?
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> So why only one failure?
[19:50] <craag> yeah
[19:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> allmost sorry for the typos
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> where I showed you a district in which the christian democrat only was 3 votes ahead of the social democrat
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> nps, ignore them
[19:50] <craag> yep
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> they ordered a re-count of votes in that district
[19:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: i had 3 uBlox failures
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> just wanted to say that as I read it today :)
[19:51] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, got your payload!
[19:51] <craag> Lunar_Lander: Oh right, what was the result in the end?
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> good question, I think the re-count is not done yet
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> let me check
[19:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: so our radiopenengation is working, Seba is heading north
[19:51] <LeoBodnar> So it's going up north the SEBA?
[19:52] <x-f> green decodes and no position in them :/
[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> it must be really high, im still receiving it
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[19:52] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: some kind of gps failure
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> craag, OK, the social democrat was ahead by 31 votes in the first re-count
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> so they ordered a double re-count
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> this is run today and tomorrow
[19:52] <craag> haha
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> only if both counts match, results will be given monday
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[19:53] <LeoBodnar> double recount? What if they don't match?
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> do it again
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> SHould have saved time and ordered triple one
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:53] <LeoBodnar> Throw away two extremes and use the middle one
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> like a good physicist would do
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:53] <LeoBodnar> and calculate error margin
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> true
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> Then give each part irrational part of the seat
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> *party
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[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :P
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> We need physics PhD in government
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> and on october 6, there is a tie break for the major
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> PhDs
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> or mayor?
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> the city boss however xD
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> mayor could be former major
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> as no one did get the absolute majority on the first try
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[19:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> 1.08V
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> this was funny
[19:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> its 1/3 of initial voltage
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> christian democrats 46%, social democrats 38%, greens 12%, liberals 2.2%
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> Do you have a step-up?
[19:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes to 3.0V
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> but the best thing was: there were two more
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> a singer who got 3.3% and a comedian who got 2.5%
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> Do you have Monster Raving Lonny Party Lunar_Lander ?
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[19:56] <LeoBodnar> http://www.omrlp.com/
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD not really
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> but the two independent guys came close xD
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, http://www.noz.de/lokales/osnabrueck/artikel/415270/osnabrucker-ob-kandidat-sauer-auf-fdp-bundesspitze
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> the left guy was the liberal candidate
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:58] <LeoBodnar> They look too serious to be taken seriously!
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> actually, there are now new ads in the city for the tie break
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> on the CDU ads they just put a sticker "Oct. 6 tie break!"
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[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> the SPD put up new ads "Oct. 6, Social democrats and greens: Together for Birgit!"
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:59] <LeoBodnar> Lunar_Lander have you launched a balloon in Germany?
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> march 5
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:00] <LeoBodnar> you need to hook up with DL7AD . He wants to launch a ballon in D as well and probably can do with some practical help on local regulations etc
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah one remark
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> Mrs Merkel, our old and new chancellor, got a Physics PhD
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[20:01] <LeoBodnar> If you lose the balloon he can jump into his plane and track it down from the air - he's that sort of guy
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> :D
[20:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> SEBA-5 just died
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> Oh! :?
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> sad....
[20:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-(
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: could You try to listen in the morning
[20:04] <x-f> sure
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> software has hysterisis, which shoult turn on GPS and RFM at 1.5V
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> should
[20:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> ofcours
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> ofcourse
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> arghh im really tired
[20:05] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all :-)
[20:05] <x-f> night
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[20:08] <x-f> my first time i actually heard an international balloon :)
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[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, hello
[20:13] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lande
[20:13] <DL7AD> hi Lunar_Lander
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[20:15] <jcoxon> hopefully if SEBA-5 restarts tomorrow then the GPS should work
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, where in germany do you want to fly your HAB?
[20:18] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: in south berlin
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> regulation info coming up
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> DL7AD, check here for info on regulations http://www.pirnay.com/index.php/de/home/m-blog/14-blog-120726-genehmigungen
[20:19] <Steve_2e0vet> Upu_M0UPU, what frew is b14 on now
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> Try 434.498 Steve_2e0vet
[20:21] <DL7AD> Lunar_Lander: im planning a floater. i asked the dfs and they said its not necessary to tell them because it has a weight below 500g. how much did you pay for insurance?
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> let me think
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[20:22] <LeoBodnar> Where are you launching from usually?
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> 110 euro I think
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, my first and so far only launch was in Osnabruck
[20:23] <DL7AD> for a ballon flying 1 day, right?
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:23] <DL7AD> but what about 6days
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[20:23] <jcoxon> DL7AD, it would have left germany by then
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[20:23] <jcoxon> one assumes
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> I think you'd need to call mr hoffart of the allianz and discuss with him
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[20:25] <LeoBodnar> Do you insure even pico balloons in Germany?
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[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> never had picos so far in GER
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> as far as I know
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> SEBA5 is ALIVE!
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[20:33] <Mik_WD8MNV_> does SEBA5 have HF?
[20:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> hello again
[20:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was found !
[20:33] <enkidu> SEBA5 - 40km floater?
[20:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
[20:33] <MIG-29> hello
[20:33] <MIG-29> SEBA 05 is 40km???
[20:33] <MIG-29> wow, that is high
[20:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> yeah :-)
[20:34] <f5vnf> general thicko here, just downloaded dl-fldigi , unzipped ok but cant see an application file to run it, help please
[20:34] <MIG-29> what is the frequency on which it can be received?
[20:34] <enkidu> if I had my antenna mounted I would receive it now
[20:34] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> hello all
[20:34] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> Frequency of Seba5
[20:34] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> just arrived, nothing on the mailing list
[20:35] <x-f> 437.592 300
[20:35] <x-f> i'm not getting it anymore though
[20:35] <Laurenceb__> how low can SEBA5 battery go?
[20:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb__: they are dead now
[20:36] <Laurenceb__> oh, maybe it reset
[20:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb__: maybe on sunrise it turn again
[20:37] <MIG-29> so seba frequency is 437.592 Mhz?
[20:37] <Laurenceb__> very high float
[20:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> f5vnf, Which file did you download ?
[20:38] <Laurenceb__> is SEBA5 solar powered?
[20:39] <x-f> MIG-29, yes
[20:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb__: nope just one CR123A
[20:39] <MIG-29> I guess it is not APRS?...
[20:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> f5vnf, The files you should be using are here under the Binaries section http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi?s[]=dl&s[]=fldigi
[20:40] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> bingo on B14
[20:40] <f5vnf> geoff-g8dhe-m used dl3.1 zip
[20:40] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> elevation -0.1
[20:41] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> The link I gave above holds the installable and it is an exe itself
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> Good job Wouter-[PA3WEG]
[20:43] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> 346km with that altitude
[20:43] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> and You're welcome Leo
[20:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: could You run NOAA prediction for SEBA
[20:43] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> just returned home, opened the tracker and found it up ;)
[20:44] <f5vnf> geoff -g8dhe-m, ran the zip which installed files but dont recognise any file that will actually start dl-fldigi
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> One second Tom
[20:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok
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[20:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Try this file http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[20:46] <Steve_2e0vet> still no b14
[20:47] <K9JKM> Working 2U0FER on 17M ... only running 5 watts and dipole here
[20:48] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> f5vnf, The above will install and give you a desktop Icon to run the program from.
[20:48] <f5vnf> Geoff-G8DHE-M: many thanks that worked.now back to playing
[20:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> f5vnf, Great good luck, there is always someone about on this channel to assist!
[20:50] <LazyLeopard> Steve_2e0vet: Where are you listening?
[20:50] <f5vnf> Geoff-G8DHE-M: i know i have been sitting watching and learning waiting for my RTL to arrive.
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[20:51] <LeoBodnar> Can't run the forecast for some reason?
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> f5vnf, Right sounds good, whereabout if France are you hopefully down South ?
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> Can you run hysplit on 40km?
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[20:52] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> Leo, this one is drifting a bit more?
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[20:52] <bertrik> what's the current frequency of B-14?
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[20:53] <LeoBodnar> Wouter-[PA3WEG]: this has a inoperable TCXO it seems
[20:53] <DutchMillbt> 434.497.74
[20:54] <Steve_2e0vet> LazyLeopard, 343.498
[20:54] <f5vnf> Geoff-G8DHE-M: , 60km west of toulouse,
[20:54] <Steve_2e0vet> LazyLeopard, 434.498
[20:54] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[20:54] <DutchMillbt> ..mm signal is fading away here
[20:55] <bertrik> Wouter-[PA3WEG]: had fun at the dutch amsat day, I suppose?
[20:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh yes that will be a very handy position, for watching the floaters coming around the Med. Also some of the Spanish balloons with luck!
[20:55] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: pity.
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> This is the best I can do - http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/15650_trj001.gif
[20:55] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> bertrik, yes it was a great success!
[20:55] <LazyLeopard> Last line I saw was at 434499.4 but drifting noticably. My dial's at 434497.5 at the moment.
[20:55] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> more people than we thought
[20:56] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> abt. 50 we gather, and this was the first year
[20:56] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> I presented on FUNcube and AMSAT-NL
[20:56] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> plus demoed the Engineering Model of FUNcube and made some satellite contacts on the parking lot
[20:57] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> lots of fun
[20:57] <bertrik> I was thinking of going, but I had not registered, and the place is a bit in the middle-of-nowhere :)
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[20:57] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> well, I found it to be EXACTLY in the middle of nowhere
[20:58] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> but there have been a couple of day visitors anyway
[20:59] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> We will organise it next year as well, but still need to discuss in what form, and if we change location. One option is Delft ;)
[21:00] <bertrik> Probably next time, I'll go visit. We received strand-1 this week with our HAB setup.
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[21:01] <Wouter-[PA3WEG]> cool! decoded it as well?
[21:02] <bertrik> no, we planned to record the audio and analyse it later, but something went wrong
[21:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> Thanks Leo
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom: have you seen the prediction for 25km?
[21:03] <x-f> oh, wow, so SEBA5 was about 600km far and my cheap DIY radio setup managed to get a few green decodes of it
[21:03] <bertrik> x-f: nice!
[21:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes
[21:03] <LeoBodnar> sorry it does not work above that altitude
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> for me at least
[21:04] <Laurenceb__> weird battery drop
[21:04] <Laurenceb__> max7 booted up to high current mode?
[21:04] <Laurenceb__> theres a spike in the temperature
[21:06] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.tvn24.pl/przez-mala-usterke-nie-wiadomo-czy-padl-rekord-swiata,358387,s.html
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[21:07] <LeoBodnar> UBLOX has a life of its own...
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> hehe
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> ive seen them doing that when ive tried power save
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> the quoted current is the "average"
[21:07] <mattbrejza> im guessing thats a tcxo max7?
[21:07] <LeoBodnar> The only way you can predict its operation is when its power is off
[21:07] <Laurenceb__> that may well be what killed B13
[21:08] <Laurenceb__> a spike like that
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> there were massive voltage drops associated with sat numbers going from 5 to 13
[21:09] <fsphil> oh SEBA5 got a position
[21:09] <Laurenceb__> malkes sense
[21:11] <Laurenceb__> maybe you could try a wire base quad helix antenni for the gps
[21:11] <LeoBodnar> Looks like voltage drops every 1 hour 20 minutes
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[21:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> Night all 3rd time
[21:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
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[21:18] <Laurenceb__> prob something to do with gps orbital syncronisation
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[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> GPS melted?
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> not good
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:25] <bertrik> Laurenceb__: like getting a new almanac or ephemeris data?
[21:27] <Laurenceb__> thats every 2 hours
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[21:31] <MIG-29> got my new kenwood tm-d710e working :D
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[21:31] <MIG-29> waiting for APRS balloons.. :D although you gave me bad news earlier regarding the APRS usage on high altitude balloons in UK :(
[21:32] <jcoxon> MIG-29, sadly no aprs in the UK for balloon flights
[21:32] <jcoxon> might be waiting quite a while
[21:32] <MIG-29> yes...
[21:33] <jcoxon> tracking on 70cm is more fun
[21:33] <MIG-29> what setup do you use for non-APRS balloons?
[21:33] <MIG-29> my kenwood is a dual bander and it can do 70 cm as well...
[21:33] <jcoxon> anything that can do 70cm and SSB
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[21:34] <MIG-29> I don't know if it can do SSB though...
[21:34] <mfa298> MIG-29: what kenwood do you have ?
[21:34] <MIG-29> kenwood tm-d710e
[21:34] <mfa298> I suspect it's FM only
[21:35] <jcoxon> sadly it won't do SSB
[21:35] <jcoxon> though its a great radio
[21:35] <jcoxon> MIG-29, other options include a funcube dongle or RTL-SDR
[21:35] <jcoxon> cheap options
[21:35] <MIG-29> are there any adapters that can be hooked up to my radio
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> Is it possible to make UBLOX download plenty of satellite information when it has a lot of power available and then only download critical updates overnight?
[21:35] <MIG-29> so they can do SSB from the received 70 cm of my radio?
[21:35] <Mik_WD8MNV_> the RTL is quite cheap
[21:36] <fsphil> nope
[21:36] <mfa298> I doubt there are any cheap options to make an fm radio receive ssb (I've never come accross sucha device)
[21:36] <fsphil> you'd need to modify the radio
[21:36] <fsphil> easier to buy one that just does it :)
[21:36] <Mik_WD8MNV_> would need an IF tap or something
[21:37] <mfa298> rtl-sdr is a good cheap option. or if you're interested in amateur radio then the funcube dongle is a good purchase (covers HF as well as VHF/UFH bands)
[21:38] <Mik_WD8MNV_> there are upconverters that you can use w/ the dongle as well
[21:38] <Mik_WD8MNV_> or you can build one
[21:38] <mfa298> there is a list of some of the known radios that are suitable on http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[21:39] <MIG-29> I will stick to APRS for a while
[21:40] <MIG-29> since I just got my tm-d710e
[21:40] <MIG-29> :)
[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh looks like the temperature on B-14 has bottomed out at -37C !
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[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> oh SP9UOB's balloon got a lock
[21:48] <Upu_M0UPU> that is wierd
[21:49] <Upu_M0UPU> 40km float nice
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[21:56] <Upu_M0UPU> good luck LeoBodnar
[21:56] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll leave it all going hopefully it will still be up when I wake up
[21:56] <LeoBodnar> cheers Upu_M0UPU
[21:57] <Upu_M0UPU> still looking good
[21:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd be interested to know if that temp sensor is a real reading
[21:59] <fsphil> heading straight for me
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[22:00] <Upu_M0UPU> I wouldn't wait up
[22:00] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll be surprised if its over mine by the morning
[22:01] <Upu_M0UPU> anyway I'm off night all
[22:01] <fsphil> g'nite!
[22:01] <fsphil> yea it's crawling along
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[22:03] <Steve_2e0vet> STILL NO b14
[22:03] <fsphil> G8JNJ-2
[22:04] <fsphil> ^ dedication there, out in the boat :)
[22:04] <Steve_2e0vet> LazyLeopard, HUDDERSFIELD
[22:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flight path to date and profile http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-14_20130928/
[22:06] <mfa298> fsphil: a boat with a loft aparently
[22:07] <Laurenceb__> <Steve_2e0vet> are you in a valley?
[22:07] <mfa298> seems like an odd place to end up if it was just bad coordinates
[22:08] <LazyLeopard> Steve_2e0vet: I'd have thought you should be hearing B-14 quite loudly by now, but it has been drifting about frequency-wise...
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[22:12] <Steve_2e0vet> LazyLeopard, yep pretty low down
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[22:14] <M6GTG_nerdsville> it is just a sputnik type beep beep beep every 3s and then every few minutes the data burst easy to spot on the sdr waterfall but harder by ear
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[22:17] <M6GTG_nerdsville> 434.4975 dial at moment with beep around 1kHz
[22:18] <M6GTG_nerdsville> usb
[22:19] <fsphil> not even a hint of it
[22:21] <M6GTG_nerdsville> :-( coming in nice and stronger here.. only 18km away, shame it hasn't got some flashing leds on the payload would probably see it in the crystal clear sky
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[22:21] <fsphil> yes lovely night here too
[22:21] <fsphil> if it does go overhead here during the daytime I'll take a look
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[22:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh I can see your problem Steve_2e0vet http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-14_20130928/Capture.JPG
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[22:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> even when you raise the B-14 end up to 8Km its going to be a problem
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[22:25] <fsphil> annoyingly placed hill there
[22:26] <Steve_2e0vet> Geoff-G8DHE, i need a few poles strapped together
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[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah its not so bad with it raised up, infact looks like it should be visible
[22:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've updated the image
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[22:28] <bbjunkie> so far it has managed to go every direction apart from closer to my QTH - annoyingly just out of range
[22:29] <bbjunkie> if the prediction is right then it must make a turn soon
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[22:29] <bbjunkie> ah, refreshed the page.. it has turned
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> RIGHT CU IN THE MORNING ALL!
[22:32] <bbjunkie> gn Geoff
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[22:34] <fsphil> yep heading straight for us bbjunkie
[22:34] <fsphil> like a snail
[22:36] <bbjunkie> bet I can speed it up.. by going to bed
[22:37] <fsphil> 14.9km/h
[22:37] <fsphil> you sleep in a time machine?
[22:37] <bbjunkie> nah, but Murphy hangs out here
[22:39] <fsphil> should be within range of me in three hours
[22:39] <fsphil> yea sleep sounds good
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[22:42] <DL7AD> sleep? what is this?
[22:42] <DL7AD> ^^
[22:44] <enkidu> dont know really
[22:44] <enkidu> another server failed today
[22:44] <enkidu> no sleep until I fix it. also: nothing compatible with other machines + windows
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[22:44] <DL7AD> enkidu: everytime im here in the chat, i can see you. you are also a person dont know what sleep is :P
[22:44] <DL7AD> right?
[22:44] <beingaware> what is sleep?
[22:45] <enkidu> function
[22:45] <DL7AD> import time
[22:45] <enkidu> sleep (uint msec);
[22:45] <beingaware> nah
[22:45] <DL7AD> time.sleep(6*60*60)
[22:45] <fsphil> only 6?
[22:46] <DL7AD> if i have to get up early in the morning, yes
[22:46] <enkidu> 6? what a waste of time
[22:46] <DL7AD> but not on saturday or sunday
[22:46] <DL7AD> i have to maintain my server tonight...
[22:47] <enkidu> ive managed to mount rails for my servers
[22:47] <enkidu> (at last)
[22:47] <DL7AD> transferring a database from one server to another and chaning the engine
[22:47] <enkidu> introducing cctv streams in lantv
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[22:49] <enkidu> also its time to automate some tasks
[22:49] <enkidu> and I really need to order air conditioner
[22:52] <enkidu> it is getting warm in here
[22:52] <enkidu> and two servers still not powered
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[23:05] <Laurenceb__> interesting voltage oscillation?
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[23:13] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb__: they are voltage relaxation after TX.
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> ah
[23:13] <Laurenceb__> thats kind of useful
[23:14] <Laurenceb__> does it stores GPS and voltages ever 2.5minutes?
[23:14] <Laurenceb__> *+y
[23:14] <LeoBodnar> TX pulls current and makes voltage sag. 1st GPS reading samples lower voltage that the secon one
[23:14] <LeoBodnar> yes
[23:14] <Laurenceb__> i see, smart
[23:15] <LeoBodnar> So it collects two GPS readings with 2.5 min and then transmits it in one go
[23:16] <Laurenceb__> i see
[23:16] <DutchMillbt> oke that was my last packet for now 364km elevation -0.2! ...sey
[23:17] Action: Laurenceb__ is staying up watching homeland rerun + balloon
[23:17] <Laurenceb__> plenty to watch
[23:17] <LeoBodnar> I guess speed of voltage relaxation relates to Li+ ions movement activity
[23:17] <LeoBodnar> WHat timezone are you in now Laurenceb__
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> UK same as usual :P
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[23:18] <LeoBodnar> OK
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> im in Derby
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> too lazy to setup an antenni worry
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> *sorry
[23:18] <LeoBodnar> I thought you were in the US just recently
[23:18] <Laurenceb__> yeah i was over there for a month or two
[23:19] <Laurenceb__> pity planes are so expensive or I'd try and get a job over there
[23:19] <LeoBodnar> Ah, ok
[23:20] <Laurenceb__> we need a cost effective means of air transport....
[23:20] <LeoBodnar> work permit is a pain to get as far as I know
[23:20] <LeoBodnar> Erm balloons?
[23:20] <LeoBodnar> [not mine]
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[23:21] <Laurenceb__> heh or airships
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> hydrogen airships
[23:21] <enkidu> hindenburg etc
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> kapton hindenburg
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> who posted the Hindenburg link a few days ago?
[23:21] <Laurenceb__> me :P
[23:21] <enkidu> actually it was graf zeppelin
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> well that or a sane hyperloop
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> I have spent quite a few hours on that website - thank you! :)
[23:22] <Laurenceb__> :P
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[23:22] <Laurenceb__> they dont talk about the covering debate there
[23:22] <LeoBodnar> I want to get a good old fashioned book about that era
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> there is controversy about to extent to which the covering flammability caused the fire
[23:23] <LeoBodnar> I picked that up from the site
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> oh http://www.airships.net/blog/hindenburg-covering-rocket-fuel
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> they disagree :P
[23:23] <Laurenceb__> http://www.seas.ucla.edu/hsseas/releases/blimp.htm
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> I find it annoying that there is always some [usually undeclared] vested interest in these research
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> researhes (?)
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> pieces of research (?) whatever
[23:25] <Laurenceb__> "With these changes in place, the Graf Zeppelin, which was also kept aloft by hydrogen, went on to fly more than a million miles without incident."
[23:25] <Laurenceb__> that was Graf Zepplin 1
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> I am amazed
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> They want over Atlantic back and forth
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> the Graf Zepplin 2 used the electrostatic reduction stuff
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> went
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> im convinced you could do it safely nowadays
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> against the winds?
[23:26] <Laurenceb__> yeah - 85mph max speed
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> just amazing
[23:27] <Laurenceb__> modern zepplin NT can do 130mph
[23:27] <SpeedEvil> you need the speed to keep the crew cost down
[23:27] <Laurenceb__> but its got limited range due to the lack of ballast control - no venting of helium possible
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: wasn't that the one using helium compression?
[23:28] <LeoBodnar> Seen these? http://www.goodyearblimp.com/cfmx/web/blimp/media/videos.cfm
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> no
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> well - it is under pressure
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> about 0.1psi its semirigid
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> I mean for ballast
[23:28] <Laurenceb__> no thats the new thing from aeos?
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> ah
[23:29] <Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/07/aeros_trials_cosh_airship/
[23:29] <Laurenceb__> aeros
[23:30] Action: Laurenceb__ was looking again at hyperloop
[23:30] <Laurenceb__> this thing gets stuck in my head and i cant stop
[23:30] <Laurenceb__> im now convinced a "simple" passive maglev light train makes more sense
[23:30] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> without the tune?
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> tube
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> if you make it very aerodynamic and then look at the power loss in hyperloop
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> yeah
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> awe
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> what speed?
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> you can get numbers approaching hyperloop for efficiency, and its got more passengers
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> ~500mph
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> also, sound may become an issue
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> and lower cost and stuff
[23:31] <Laurenceb__> yeah thats an issue
[23:32] <Laurenceb__> and debris and stuff
[23:32] <Laurenceb__> and power delivery - it gets very hard at those speeds
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[23:35] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8skXT5NQzCg
[23:35] <Laurenceb__> check out the pantograph
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> insane
[23:42] <Laurenceb__> looks like B-14 should last the night
[23:42] Action: Laurenceb__ zzz
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> night
[23:43] <LeoBodnar> night!
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[23:53] <RadioKoteg> HI
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