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[00:23] <Guest62655> anyone on here?
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[02:17] <heathkid> sometimes
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[06:30] <eroomde> morantron
[06:31] <Upu> indeed
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[06:33] <eroomde> hurray fir work
[06:34] <Upu> wish I was back at work
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[06:34] <eroomde> what was with that little join/leave then?
[06:36] <fsphil> bah, mornings. there really is little point in 7am
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[06:38] <Upu> I just logged into my works PC
[06:38] <Upu> mIRC is on auto start
[06:38] <Upu> but just logged off again
[06:39] <Upu> Customer has an issue : c: - total: 24.41 Gb - used: 24.26 Gb (99%) - free 0.15 Gb (1%)
[06:43] <fsphil> wonder what it could be
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[06:45] <eroomde> suspect it's a driver problem
[06:46] <Upu> well Blackberry :/
[06:46] <Upu> Blackberry programmers think disk space is infinite
[06:47] <Upu> and the only reason for your servers existence is to write gb of logs down a day
[06:48] <x-f> what if somebody needs this information - MUST. LOG. ALL.
[06:48] <Upu> programmers :/
[06:48] <Upu> :)
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[08:06] <LeoBodnar> morning!
[08:06] <LeoBodnar> fsphil: is date format better declared as integer or string?
[08:07] <LeoBodnar> YYMMDD
[08:07] <fsphil> I've been meaning to ask that actually
[08:07] <LeoBodnar> for payload docs
[08:07] <fsphil> I don't think anyone's used dates yet
[08:07] <daveake> I've not seen anyone use it
[08:08] <LeoBodnar> just for one off
[08:08] <fsphil> if it where me, I'd use yyyymmdd
[08:08] <fsphil> even if those extra two characters are redundant
[08:08] <fsphil> in 87 years someone might be glad we did :)
[08:09] <daveake> At this rate it won't be many flights till LeoBodnar does an 87-year flight :p
[08:10] <eroomde> suspect you'd need your float altitude to be > 700km for that
[08:10] <fsphil> or design a HAB flight to allow service missions
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[08:11] <LeoBodnar> lol, humankind will be dead but balloons will be still up, solar powered autotrackers will be buzzing and habitat will still be tracking
[08:11] <eroomde> vanguard 1 is the oldest sat
[08:11] <eroomde> 1958
[08:11] <eroomde> so 55 years old
[08:11] <eroomde> not bad
[08:11] <LeoBodnar> The Moon is older
[08:12] <LeoBodnar> Just send a tracker to the moon
[08:12] <LeoBodnar> a bit pointless as we know where it is
[08:12] <fsphil> you can never be too careful
[08:12] <daveake> Perhaps one of these space aliens will abduct a HAB
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> anyway, can i use YYMMDD for the next flight and declare it as int/string and we decide on date format later?
[08:13] <daveake> then we could track them
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, trick them for once
[08:13] <LeoBodnar> trick and track
[08:13] <adamgreig> LeoBodnar: yes that's fine
[08:13] <adamgreig> in fact we can probably get it to actually use it as the date fairly easily
[08:14] <adamgreig> put it as a string for now
[08:14] <LeoBodnar> k
[08:14] <adamgreig> you could also
[08:14] <adamgreig> not put a year in
[08:14] <adamgreig> unless you are fairly ambitious about this flight's duration :P
[08:15] <LeoBodnar> I have been asked to earlier :D
[08:16] <LeoBodnar> coded it all in already
[08:16] <adamgreig> date definitely
[08:16] <adamgreig> I mean year
[08:16] <adamgreig> well go for it
[08:16] <adamgreig> it's no biggie
[08:16] <adamgreig> just in general month+day is probably enough. or "days into flight" would be even less data
[08:17] <LeoBodnar> single telemetry line makes more sense with absolute date
[08:17] <LeoBodnar> or is it?
[08:17] <LeoBodnar> yeah i think absolute date is better
[08:17] <adamgreig> it's easier
[08:17] <adamgreig> for everyone involved
[08:17] <adamgreig> but it is a few bytes less efficient ;)
[08:18] <LeoBodnar> because cumulative days will still screw up time as it rolls over the midnight and days in flight stays the same
[08:18] <LeoBodnar> Unix time
[08:18] <LeoBodnar> in binary format ftw
[08:19] <adamgreig> yea
[08:19] <LeoBodnar> When is Y2K for unix format?
[08:19] <adamgreig> lol that
[08:19] <adamgreig> uhm
[08:19] <adamgreig> 2038
[08:19] <adamgreig> for 32bit
[08:19] <LeoBodnar> duck
[08:19] <adamgreig> but most systems use 64bit now, where it's somewhat far into the future
[08:19] <nats`> hi everyone
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[09:36] <eroomde> horray for typoing everything
[09:36] <Darkside> good job
[09:36] <fsphil> your typing has been amazing today
[09:36] <fsphil> not enough coffee?
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[09:37] <eroomde> hopefully that will not get into my fingers
[09:37] <eroomde> now*
[09:37] <fsphil> need new fingers
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[09:51] <fsphil> aww, no HF launch this weekend
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[09:54] <Babs> morning sports fans
[09:55] <fsphil> this is a much more sensibile time for mornings
[09:55] <fsphil> 7am should just go away
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[09:56] <Babs> i got up at 7.30am today, got the bus into work and arrived at 9am like a normal person for the first time in months. it was mega. I even got time to watch an insane video of TT riders doing 190mph in the wet with only a hay bale to protect the,.
[09:56] <Babs> *them
[09:57] <fsphil> 9am start would be nice
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[09:58] <Babs> I can't sleep in past 8am even on weekends now. I only need to start wearing jumpers with patches on them and I will have turned into my father :-(
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[09:58] <Brace> Babs: that's pretty much what's happened to me
[09:58] <Brace> I find it impossible to sleep in these days...
[09:59] <daveake> I'm not sure who has the higher level of madness ... bikers on the IOW TT or bikers on the Périphérique
[09:59] <fsphil> bikers in general
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[09:59] <daveake> yeah but those 2 groups are "special"
[09:59] <Brace> bikers on litre or bigger sportsbikes on Sunday
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[10:00] <Brace> who generally don't ride often and have a unrealistic view of the dangers
[10:00] <Brace> at least TT riders are incredibly good bikers, do the stupid stuff on the track and know the risks
[10:01] <Babs> i did some mathematical modelling of scar formation. I saw an excellent photo of a foot degloving for a biker.
[10:02] <Babs> Basically, boot gets ripped off and takes off, completely cleanly, all skin below the knee. It looked like one of those Gunther von Hagens things, only it was still attached to a living human.
[10:02] <Babs> it was that day i decided i wouldn't get a ducati
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[10:05] <DL7AD> good morning
[10:05] <fsphil> Babs: !!
[10:06] <fsphil> morning DL7AD
[10:06] <charolastra> for lack of an on-topic channel maby someone here knows: what happened to the map export of openstreetmaps? it just returns a blank page
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> export in what format and from where?
[10:12] Action: SpeedEvil used to be very involved with osm
[10:12] <charolastra> the "export data" on the very left, opens a new pannel
[10:12] <charolastra> but on closer inspection it seems that only my location fails ....
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> irc.ofrc.net and #openstreetmap
[10:13] <SpeedEvil> or is it #osm
[10:13] <charolastra> thanks, lets see
[10:17] <Hix> charolastra
[10:17] <Hix> oops
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[10:17] <Hix> I'll try again. charolastra look here http://download.geofabrik.de/index.html
[10:18] <Hix> I'm doing too much work this week. something is wrong
[10:19] <charolastra> thanks, but that offers whole continents of data; i just need a city
[10:20] <Hix> you can drill down
[10:20] <Hix> what city?
[10:26] <charolastra> ah right, vienna to be exact
[10:28] <daveake> This means nothing to me
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[10:29] <Hix> ha
[10:29] <daveake> finally :)
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[10:30] <Hix> charolastra http://metro.teczno.com/#vienna
[10:32] <charolastra> great, thanks
[10:32] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[10:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning Guys :D
[10:32] <Hix> Yesterday the M1 was shut - gantry boards on M25 didn't inform until I was at the M1. In light of this i NEED a car pc with GPS, OS maps and a browser showing the traffic england live traffic data.
[10:33] <mfa298> also known as an android phone/tablet running google maps.
[10:33] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/jLZDbhv.png is ok for a Crosnish commute, but it doesn't handle traffic on the level that was going down it yesterday morning
[10:33] <mfa298> although google maps won't give you the OS map render
[10:33] <Hix> mfa298 mobile network was crippled too :/ off-line ftw
[10:34] <mfa298> in theory I think google maps can download some data for offline use but I've never really tested it.
[10:35] <mfa298> I've generally downloaded data and not needed it or forgotten to download the data and then want it.
[10:39] <Hix> I have memory map with full UK OS, but also OSM is pretty good. I rarely need maps, but you can guarantee when I do there is no GSM
[10:40] <Hix> I like the idea of a car pc with a touch screen and a few critical features with launch buttons, kind like daveakes system, just a wee bit more info
[10:42] <mattbrejza> Hix: http://www.tomtom.com/livetraffic/ ?
[10:45] <Hix> it still relies on GSM data...
[10:47] <craag> So you need a feed from the traffic rds system?
[10:47] <mfa298> most live traffic data services are likely to require gsm data.
[10:48] <mfa298> needs an openwrt router with multiple 3g sticks in so it can decide which to use depending on which has a signal.
[10:48] <craag> Yeah I think your options there are Traffic RDS, or a car-mounted periscope.
[10:49] <fsphil> tsh, balloon obviously
[10:49] <fsphil> aerial photography
[10:49] <craag> (or rockblock sat modem..)
[10:49] <mfa298> or persaude many other M25 drivers to get HAM or CB radios so you can have an M25 net.
[10:49] <mattbrejza> aprs traffic reports?
[10:49] <Hix> heh, got RDS, but I refuse to use a TomTom or similar. I like the whole pick a ridiculous little track on OS map and use that, self-routing system :D
[10:49] <fsphil> don't encourage aprs :)
[10:50] <craag> mattbrejza: Doubt the network work cope!
[10:50] <craag> *would cope
[10:50] <Hix> i have this, pretty useful for foraward vision
[10:50] <Hix> http://www.adrian-hicks.co.uk/M25.html
[10:51] <craag> tell dave that we'll stop tracking all his flights unless his payloads also transmit traffic reports.
[10:51] <x-f> craag, when you flew the 868 MHz payload, you had to comply with the 10% duty cycle rule?
[10:52] <mattbrejza> btw when you delete a large file from a VM how long until the hdd file decides to shrink too?
[10:52] <x-f> or, if you use less than 25 mW, you can do it more often?
[10:52] <craag> x-f: I used Listen-before-talk, which at the time I believed to be compliant, however since I've found my implementation was illegal.
[10:53] <mfa298> I'm not sure any hypervisors will shrink the file automatically for you.
[10:53] <mfa298> some desktop systems might have an option in their tools to force a shrink.
[10:53] <mattbrejza> hmm
[10:53] <mattbrejza> probably need to shut it down too
[10:54] <x-f> ok, thanks, craag
[10:54] <mfa298> depends on what you're using. I think vmware workstation/fusion could do it with the vm running.
[10:55] <mattbrejza> virtualbox
[10:55] <mfa298> ESXi (free) you need to shut the vm down, ESXi (with suitable licenses) can do it running as part of storage v-motion.
[10:55] <mfa298> I've not done enough with virtualbox recently to know what it can do - although I wouldn't be surprised if you can do it with the vm running.
[10:56] <mfa298> I think vmware workstation/fusion you started it off within the VM so it could zero out unused bits of the drive within the OS
[10:57] <mattbrejza> http://www.maketecheasier.com/shrink-your-virtualbox-vm/2009/04/06
[10:57] <mattbrejza> didnt think about needing to zero the bits
[11:00] <craag> x-f: I paused and listened for 1s every 20 strings, then switching back to 10% if the channel was busy. But it turns out that you have to listen at least once a second, which isn't practical with rtty.
[11:02] <x-f> i see
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[11:43] <Laurenceb> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920064946/oscilloscope-watch
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> Okaaaaay
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> Also - stm32f*
[11:46] <SpeedEvil> I assume the under 2m 'exempt' balloon class does not apply to blimps?
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[11:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.portertech.org/test/transformer-laptop.flv - this is the sort of laptop I want. (on topic)
[11:55] <omg_scout> this is fake I belive o_O
[11:55] <Laurenceb> heh
[11:56] <Laurenceb> SpeedEvil: yeah still waiting for µGFX support for sony smartwatch
[11:56] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv16=4404&FV=fff40027%2Cfff80166&k=fpga&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> That's noticably cheap
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[11:57] <Laurenceb> ooh
[11:57] <Laurenceb> http://ugfx.org/news
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> Yes, it's teeny.
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[12:32] <Laurenceb> in 4 hours....
[12:33] <Laurenceb> thesis submission :-D
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[12:35] <zyp> how hard are you failing?
[12:36] <Laurenceb> lolz
[12:36] <Laurenceb> apparently mine is the longest thesis ever submitted for EE Eng at the uni
[12:36] <Laurenceb> 110k words
[12:38] <Laurenceb> unfortunately i've types more on irc, a damning indictment
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[12:39] <nats`> :D
[12:39] <nats`> you should add your irc logs as annex :D
[12:39] <nats`> 3M words :D
[12:43] <Hix> Yo Babs - something to whet your whistle http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/eclipse/0512013/
[12:44] <Laurenceb> heh
[12:44] <Laurenceb> almost passes through 0,0
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[13:05] <Babs> Won't be ready to go in 2 months, or if it does I will be divorced by having to work on it that much between now and then. Which ironically would then give me more time to work on it, albeit my supply of chocolate cake would plummet
[13:06] <Babs> I am definitely going to play total eclipse of the heart at launch time
[13:06] <fsphil> yes
[13:06] <Babs> yes - do it in november. yes - divorce. or yes - lower supply of chocolate cake?
[13:06] <fsphil> the other one
[13:07] <nats`> yes to all
[13:07] <nats`> but stay friend to keep your supply in chocolate cake :)
[13:07] <gonzo_> paradoxically also, divorce is expensive, but ends up with you having more money
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[13:08] <gonzo_> we are not selling this well!
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[13:09] <Babs> Everyone told me that getting married would make things cheaper (1 set of electricity bills, 1 set of council tax etc.)
[13:09] <mikestir-work> who told you that? your fiancee?
[13:10] <gonzo_> you tet married, you still end up paing them (though they have now oddly increased0
[13:10] <nats`> Babs they all lie
[13:10] <Babs> it totally hasn't. I keep on hearing words that shouldn't go together like "Ralph Lauren" and "chandelier" but apparently do in the same sentence and breaking out into a cold sweat.
[13:10] <nats`> time is money and women steal your time and your money !
[13:10] <nats`> :DF
[13:11] <Babs> how much are the bulbs?
[13:11] <Babs> £24
[13:11] <Babs> how many bulbs go onto one chandelier?
[13:11] <Babs> 12
[13:11] <gonzo_> it's the old one of, highway men demand your money or your life. Women demand both
[13:11] <Babs> how many chandeliers are we getting?
[13:11] <Babs> 2
[13:11] <fsphil> one spare?
[13:12] <fsphil> you'll need spare bulbs too
[13:12] <Babs> so we are £480 down before we even have anything to plug them into ffs
[13:12] <Babs> stop winding me up fsphil
[13:12] <Babs> ;-)
[13:12] <fsphil> that said, a bulb that price you'd like to think will last a while
[13:12] <Babs> actually, its worse than that, i've just shown that i can't do 2*12*24 in my head
[13:13] <Babs> incandescent bulbs last ages don't they? oh.
[13:13] <fsphil> 576
[13:13] <fsphil> I'd be rubbish on countdown
[13:14] <gonzo_> there's a retired couple I know who have an arrangement.M When one buys a toy, the other gets to do the same
[13:14] <Babs> "one from the top, two from the middle row and one from the bottom fsphil. oh, and some geofencing code please"
[13:15] <gonzo_> so when I was last theer and the husband was showing off his latest very expensive toy, his misses was really enthusiactic about it
[13:16] <SpeedEvil> Babs: If you don't care about absolute light output - setting them up to run on 80% voltage makes them last damn near forever
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Babs: And of course - if you do this from the start - who knows what it was supposed to look like?
[13:17] <charolastra> but who payes for the variac?
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> For the cost of one leetle transformer
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> charolastra: naah
[13:17] <gonzo_> tell her that incandecent are banned now, it will have to have ugly cfl's
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> charolastra: you get a 24V 2A transformer, and then wire it so that it's an autotransformer - outputting 220V or so
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> charolastra: this leats you run 480W of lighting from one 48W transformer
[13:17] <gonzo_> a dirty old hack, put a diode in series with the mains
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: Or that - but that reduces things rather more
[13:18] <gonzo_> we used to do that on soldering irons to make them idle
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> Also it may make bulbs flicker
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> And it reduces the life
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> - you get migration from one end to the other
[13:18] <gonzo_> think it is about half voltage, so 0.25 opwer
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: Err - no
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: It's the same voltage half the time
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> gonzo_: that's rather different
[13:19] <gonzo_> that's true, woudl half the freq and put a dead time in
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> 0.5, not 0.25
[13:19] <charolastra> you're torturing that nice sinus wave :(
[13:20] <gonzo_> I did say, dirty hack!
[13:22] <gonzo_> why did I think half voltage? I have a p-p in my mind. Which is not relevalt in a resistive load like that
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[14:05] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon
[14:06] <ibanezmatt13> Bad maths day today. My head is spinning with something I cannot understand and can't get right. :/
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[14:07] <daveake> Maths is easy. Women are much more complex
[14:09] <ibanezmatt13> bubble sorts
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[14:09] <ibanezmatt13> they're sooo simple
[14:09] <ibanezmatt13> but the work pace was too quick and I fell quite far behind
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[14:12] <ibanezmatt13> I think I'm just going to sleep this confusion away...
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[14:18] Action: Hix know knows what one of them is
[14:18] <Hix> and other types of sorting algorithm
[14:19] <darkstar-2001> Their payload looks slightly heavier than the 2kg rule: http://www.nasa.gov/content/brrison-payload-rolled-out/#.UkWTX_5i5hG :g
[14:19] <mfa298> I bet they don't teach it like this at school www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4
[14:22] <x-f> darkstar-2001, americans :)
[14:23] <Babs> Missed that 2kg rule
[14:23] <darkstar-2001> Yeah. And I've also heard rumours that NASA has slightly bigger budgets than your average UK amateur. :g
[14:23] <Upu> its more advise than a rule Babs :)
[14:24] <daveake> Yeah ... "No heavy pointy payloads" :p
[14:25] <Upu> Babs this is a rendering of your next payload coming into land : http://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[14:25] <Babs> no more than individual pieces of blue polystyrene shall make up your container
[14:25] <darkstar-2001> The specs on the balloon are fun: http://brrison.jhuapl.edu/ballooncraft/balloon.php
[14:26] <Babs> that was my micro tester Upu
[14:26] <Upu> :)
[14:26] <Brace> I like how the lifter is called Big Bill
[14:26] <Babs> about to go to print with Stabilotron II though which is very exciting
[14:26] <Babs> all carbon fibre and machined aluminium
[14:26] <Babs> and araldite when one of my measurements goes awry
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[14:29] <Hix> Upu - hah
[14:30] <Hix> Babs Epoxy is the mainstay of most F1 cars, specifically 9323 - it fills the gaps in the car, pretty much everywhere
[14:33] <Babs> Hix - I love with all of their multi million pound technology, they are basically still using glorified grip fix and gap filling adhesive
[14:33] <Hix> :D
[14:33] <gonzo_> they are driving aeroudn in prototypes
[14:33] <gonzo_> around
[14:34] <Hix> they do colour it with black pigment though
[14:34] <Hix> performance is nothing. image is everything
[14:36] <Hix> Carbon getting machined or jet cut Babs?
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[14:36] <Babs> hmmm. haven't priced it yet. which is prettier?
[14:36] <Babs> I mean, I mean, what is more functional and structurally sound?
[14:36] <Babs> ahem
[14:37] <Babs> the machine option is open, and the parts have been designed to be able to do that
[14:37] <Hix> neither really makes a difference. machinhing is likley to take a lot longer and cost more for no real gain
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[14:37] <Babs> I presume the water cut option can cut sharp rather than rounded acute angles?
[14:37] <Babs> if watercut is cheaper and achieves the same, defo that one
[14:38] <Hix> its only 2mm monolithic flatstock. Yes, they use a micro abrasive, pretty sweet what they can achieve
[14:38] <Babs> who was your dude again? (I will put him my address book this time)
[14:38] <Babs> aluminium dude was excellent btw. even followed up to check iwas happy with it all
[14:39] <Hix> cool - can't remember jet cutting dude - i'll try logs
[14:40] <Babs> http://www.aqua-dynamics.co.uk/ got it
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[14:42] <Laurenceb> has anyone here edited text in inkscape?
[14:42] <Laurenceb> i cant make it work
[14:42] <mattbrejza> use the text tool?
[14:42] <Laurenceb> yeah i cant move
[14:43] <Laurenceb> all the letters are in the same place
[14:43] <mattbrejza> :/
[14:43] <Laurenceb> overlaid ontop of one another
[14:43] <mattbrejza> have you imported from something else and its messed up?
[14:43] <Laurenceb> yes
[14:43] <mattbrejza> weird
[14:43] <mattbrejza> not sure sorry
[14:43] <Hix> Laurenceb i think there is a box surrounding the text you need to resize off the top of my head
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[14:44] <Laurenceb> yeah looks like it
[14:44] <Laurenceb> think ill try editing the eps file
[14:44] <Hix> it i a bit crap
[14:44] <Hix> *is
[14:44] <Hix> cool - couldn't find it Babs
[14:45] <Hix> be interested to know what it costs, I've got some carbon I could use to make stuff
[14:45] <Babs> have you used them?
[14:45] <Laurenceb> this is not going to work
[14:45] <Babs> on the gallery there are some wing spars in cf - exactly the kind of thing that i need in terms of dimensions, angles etc.
[14:46] <Laurenceb> http://filebin.ca/wTWr0oKNgEs/Effective_path_mus_08mm_.eps
[14:46] <Laurenceb> can anyone fix the spelling of separation for me?
[14:48] <staylo> Laurenceb: Click on the text, click on 'Text' and then 'Remove manual kerns'
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[14:48] <Laurenceb> yeah tried that
[14:48] <Laurenceb> it screws up the layout
[14:48] <Laurenceb> maybe i need to ungroup first or something
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[14:49] <Laurenceb> should never have used inkscape to start with
[14:49] <Laurenceb> now the eps file is all compressed and can't be hand edited
[14:50] <Hix> have you looked at scribus Laurenceb
[14:50] <Hix> Babs nope - always had stuff done at work as a "Pirvate"
[14:50] <Laurenceb> i guess i could delete the "e"
[14:51] <Laurenceb> and have a new text block overlaid on it
[14:51] <staylo> Yeah, Inkscape's great but doesn't really handle EPS gracefully iirc.
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[14:51] <staylo> If you're still having trouble this evening, give me a shout and I'll edit it in illustrator (don't have it installed on this pc)
[14:52] <mattbrejza> http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/Effective_path_mus_08mm_.eps ?
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[14:52] <Laurenceb> heh thanks
[14:52] <Laurenceb> ive fixed it with overlaid text
[14:53] <Laurenceb> how did you do it?
[14:53] <mattbrejza> i tried to change one letter and it did the overlapping text thing, so i just deleted all the text in the box and retyped
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[14:53] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:53] <Laurenceb> thanks
[14:53] <mattbrejza> np
[14:53] <mattbrejza> last minute 'why do i have to do all this silly little things why wont it just be over'?
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[14:56] <Laurenceb> hehe yeah
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[14:58] <craag> heh x-f just saw the 868 tracker on the mailing list :P
[14:58] <x-f> yeah, me too just now :)
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[15:08] <Hix> Laurenceb try this out http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus seems pretty good so far my side
[15:10] <gonzo_> a weekday is not ideal for that sort of thing, if they want other trackers
[15:11] <gonzo_> possibly a liste at lunch break?
[15:11] <gonzo_> listen
[15:11] <Laurenceb> ok thanks
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[15:25] <mikestir-work> craag: x-f: I don't necessarily expect the 868 tracker to work that well, but thought I'd fly it anyway
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[15:32] <craag> mikestir-work: I flew 868Mhz last winter, it worked well for most of the flight.
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[15:33] <mikestir-work> how well equipped are people for reception?
[15:33] <craag> I have a 1/4 wave lying around and my fcd++
[15:34] <WillTablet> Hi
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2200205 - power use of processor - contains lots of equations!
[15:34] <Laurenceb> Database error
[15:34] Action: SpeedEvil is awaiting the rest of his first system in about a decade getting here.
[15:34] <mikestir-work> I will have an ex-GSM yagi with me that will cover it if we end up needing it, but the 434 will be primary
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Odd
[15:35] <craag> mikestir-work: I only had one other listener on mine. But that was thanks to SHARP control telling everyone on here that it wasn't being flown -_-
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Someone going into a detailed semiconductor physics model of their CPU. In short - keep your CPU cool, and it uses quite a lot less power
[15:35] <Laurenceb> interesting
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Backed up with actual measurements with a wattmeter and thermocouple
[15:38] <mfa298> with more people having an fcd pro+ there's probably more chance of listeners on 868 now as well.
[15:38] <SpeedEvil> How much is the fcd pro+
[15:38] <mfa298> around about £150 with VAT + P&P
[15:39] <craag> I'll be sure to listen out from soton.
[15:39] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[15:39] <mikestir-work> I thought quite a few people had stuff like MVT7100 anyway, or are most people using 70cm amateur rigs?
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[15:40] <mikestir-work> craag: be interesting to see how well it works. predictions are taking it even further to the north
[15:40] <mfa298> there's a few people with the MVT7100.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: Back - it's rare you see a forum post on overclocking with more than one page of equations. :) http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2200205
[15:40] <mfa298> I shall have to go and make an 868 GP antenna or two (could try FCD Pro+ and MVT then)
[15:41] <craag> mikestir-work: I'll poke Rob M0DTS over the weekend, he's the guy who tracked mine with a 3m dish from up in the north-east.
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[15:42] <mikestir-work> well the tx antenna is a dipole made of copper foil and mounted on the side of the payload box. The guys at the school have put the payload together, but if I am lucky they will have kept it away from the camera so it might work reasonably well
[15:42] <mikestir-work> the main antenna is the usual 1/4 wave groundplane underneath
[15:44] <craag> Sounds interesting
[15:44] <craag> Got any pics of the 868 antenna?
[15:44] <craag> I used a standard 1/4 wave with 120 degree radials.
[15:45] <mikestir-work> no but I'll take some
[15:45] <craag> :)
[15:45] <mikestir-work> it's a piece of card with a strip of approx 15mm wide copper tape stuck to it and the middle cut out with a scalpel
[15:45] <mikestir-work> RG174 soldered on
[15:45] <craag> Shame you're a way away from soton, or I'd head out closer to track it.
[15:45] <mikestir-work> low-tech :)
[15:46] <craag> low-tech is best!
[15:47] <mikestir-work> I think we're going to have quite a bit of He left. should have bought some foils :)
[15:49] <mikestir-work> right. early dart. back later
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[16:02] <pjm_> ah i have 868 rx antenna on az/el and am in Poole if thats any use
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[16:48] <chrisstubbs> Royal mail couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery
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[16:51] <gb73d> but they will when its private of course
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[16:58] <chrisstubbs> I cant imagine it would make much difference
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> Anyway thats enough negativity, tomorrow looks good for a small latex launch!
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[17:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Did someone mention a launch?
[17:11] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe-yhsV-UbA
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> Hopefully
[17:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> What, you Chris?
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> Aha quick Laurenceb
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> Yeah me
[17:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Coolio, I'll track that
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> cheapo4 still needs testing, its beend estination:sea for the last few weeks
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> cheers
[17:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Whats the prediction for tomorrow?
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=bdd50ad7dbb51c64fd5940bf0c7954d6f24b3dea
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> uppy downy latexy flight
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> need to make sure the tracker still works then will do flight docs tonight
[17:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK. Well, once it gets up aways, I should be OK
[17:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> I might document the tracking process on my blog. I've been meaning to do one
[17:16] <Willdude123> When deciding whether to watch VLC compile or go on IRC, I chose IRC. I concluded that I won't be able to understand half of the around 300 error messages I'm getting
[17:19] <Willdude123> http://i.imgur.com/oBtrZz2.png I have a headache just from looking at that.
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[17:29] <Ugi_> ping DanielRichman
[17:30] <DanielRichman> Hi there
[17:30] <Ugi_> Hi - do you have a mo'?
[17:30] <DanielRichman> Sure.
[17:31] <Ugi_> Great - just wanted to check if we are on for 29th before I cancel all the other things the girls usually do on a Sunday
[17:32] <DanielRichman> Churchill have said it's fine, weather looks good, wind looks great, I think we're good
[17:33] <mfa298> Willdude123: compiling vlc from source seems pretty pointless, it's available on pretty much any linux distro (and I've done some crazy stuff with vlc and not needed to compile it from source)
[17:33] <DanielRichman> Can I reply to your email proper with directions to the relevant places etc. later today or tomorrow/
[17:33] <Willdude123> To get the right codecs it seems I need to.
[17:33] <Willdude123> I'm testing really.
[17:33] <Ugi_> Fab' - just what I hoped for. Details tomorrow are fine. Just wanted to be as sure as poss' that we were on for Sun'
[17:34] <mfa298> I think the only time I've had a codec issue is when the codec isn't in vlc at all (so compiling from source wouldn't help)
[17:34] <Willdude123> Because VLC under the web interface said my ffmpeg was ****ed.
[17:34] <Ugi_> You have my e-mail & I know Cambridge pretty well (lived there for 9 year) so if you can mail me by tomorrow pm that's fine
[17:34] <mfa298> chances are if it's a codec issue just compiling vlc won't help, there's a whole host of things you'de also need to compile
[17:35] <Willdude123> So I compiled ffmpeg from source, compiled VLC from source and pointed it at where my ffmpeg installation is
[17:35] <Willdude123> I thought it installed the MP3 codecs as a dependency, but it obviously didn't
[17:35] <Ugi_> I'll put a notice on the google group - can't see any freq conflicts ATM so will go for .650 unless you know reason not to.
[17:36] <DanielRichman> Sounds good
[17:36] <DanielRichman> do you have a flight document setup/ready?
[17:36] <Ugi_> Payload is setup (ToGo1) but no flight doc'
[17:37] <Ugi_> I can do that overnight if you could authorise it tomorrow
[17:39] <Ugi_> I expect to use the 1200g at around 5.2 m/s climb and about 4 m/s fall, 34K burst
[17:39] <Willdude123> VLC doesn't like ffmpeg
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[17:48] <Ugi_> thanks DanielRichman - I gotta' do kid's violin practice but will be back. Look forward to hearing from you with details tomorrow.
[17:48] <Ugi_> back later
[17:48] <DanielRichman> bye
[17:48] <DanielRichman> And yes authorizing is easy now ;-)
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[18:33] <iain_G4SGX> Hi, been out at the hamfest all day, are there any of those HF beacons still flying?
[18:34] <fsphil> from the sounds of it they didn't launch, bad predictions
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[18:36] <Upu> oh its Friday
[18:36] <Upu> B day :)
[18:36] <mfa298> we need a bot that scans the habitat data and announces when a B-* appears.
[18:36] <fsphil> lol
[18:36] <iain_G4SGX> Ahh, the oracle says 'no'. Just remembered its still Friday. Doh.. The B's normally just before sunset i think..
[18:38] <iain_G4SGX> Saw a 1.5 - 2GHz coliner at the show, about a foot tall. Maybe good for GPS sats?
[18:38] <iain_G4SGX> Abut 10Db gain
[18:39] <iain_G4SGX> Towards the horizon obviously.
[18:39] <fsphil> the little patch antennas seem good enough
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[18:49] <enkidu> little patch antennas properly mounted on PCB
[18:49] <enkidu> for some enclosures helix will fail
[18:52] <Willdude123> Anyone in here know to use VLC streaming>
[18:53] <mfa298> depends on what you're trying to do
[18:53] <mfa298> but you're probably not streaming using the methods I've normally used in vlc
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[18:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cooking dinner but spotted B14 and CHEAPO on the map - I know about CHEAPO, Is B14 going up tonight?
[18:55] <Willdude123> mfa298, HTTP?
[18:55] <Willdude123> http://i.imgur.com/HKA1HRe.png basically I'm just trying to stream from my server and get it open on my PC.
[18:56] <mfa298> there are probably lots of good examples on the web for that (I've never done http streaming with vlc)
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[18:56] <Willdude123> I can't figure out the output file settings, and I'm not sure what url to use locally.
[18:56] <Willdude123> Oh OK
[18:56] <mfa298> I've also never done it using the web interface.
[18:57] <Willdude123> OK then
[18:57] <Willdude123> Google doesn't help muc
[18:57] <mfa298> in that case your google foo is poor. I found examples for http streaming when looking for something a lot more specialist.
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[18:58] <Willdude123> Do you know what I should put for the output file though?
[18:59] <mfa298> nope, as I said I've never done http streaming.
[19:01] <mikestir> the wizard has an option for http output doesn't it?
[19:01] <Willdude123> OK. Well thanks for trying to help.
[19:01] <Willdude123> Pfft. Wizard, I wish
[19:01] <mikestir> are you trying to stream from files or a video source?
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[19:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[19:04] <mikestir> Willdude123: Media->Stream. Pick your source material and click "Stream". Click "Destination Setup", choose "HTTP" and click Add. Leave Port and Path as default. Leave everything else as defaults and click "Stream"
[19:04] <mikestir> that works for me
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[19:05] <mikestir> on the client point it at http://<ip of server>:8080
[19:05] <Willdude123> Did I not mention I am on the web interface? Sorry
[19:05] <mikestir> oh didn't read the backlog
[19:05] <iain_G4SGX> I'm trying to get an antenna modelling software compiled on ubuntu (XNEC2) but it reports No package 'gtk+-2.0' found. Isnt GTK installed already in default ubuntu? Must have to wrong path if so.
[19:06] <bertrik> you need the -dev package I think
[19:06] <mikestir> Willdude123: the command it generates is this ":sout=#transcode{vcodec=h264,vb=0,scale=0,acodec=mpga,ab=128,channels=2,samplerate=44100}:http{mux=ffmpeg{mux=flv},dst=:8080/} :sout-keep"
[19:06] <mfa298> iain_G4SGX: you might need to add a -dev package as well (which may not be there by default)
[19:07] <iain_G4SGX> Nice one tnx.
[19:07] <Willdude123> flv mux does not work with Mp4
[19:07] <mikestir> what do you mean by MP4? MP4 is a container and therefore mutually exclusive with flv
[19:07] <mikestir> you mean mpeg4 as in divx/xvid?
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[19:08] <Willdude123> I mean MP4.
[19:08] <Willdude123> I think
[19:09] <Willdude123> I mean MP4a + MP4v
[19:09] <mikestir> then you mean AAC and H.264
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[19:09] <Willdude123> Right it's working as a PS stream. Is defo streaming, can pick it up with a browser.
[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening all
[19:09] <Willdude123> But not in vlc
[19:11] <Willdude123> WOOOOHOOOO
[19:11] <Willdude123> Sorry, got a bit excited there.
[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> all: why UKHAS doesnt not use unixtimestamp as time destignator instead of its text form ?
[19:12] <adamgreig> because it's longer
[19:12] <adamgreig> and few flights ever stayed up for more than a day
[19:12] <adamgreig> also GPS units give date and time, so working out the unix timestamp would have been hard for some people and probably go wrong
[19:13] <Willdude123> Yay. Now to fix the complete lack of audio
[19:13] <mfa298> it's probably still a pain to convert if you try to take into account all the extra leap days and seconds.
[19:13] <adamgreig> oh my god leap days and seconds
[19:13] <adamgreig> don't even get started
[19:14] <adamgreig> haha
[19:14] <adamgreig> you're right that would be so so so awful
[19:14] <adamgreig> I can't off the top of my head remember what stupid bloody thing unix timestamps do
[19:14] <adamgreig> the habitat library does the right thing in almost every case - DanielRichman ended up writing it specifically
[19:14] <Willdude123> My server is too slow for it anyway :(
[19:14] <mfa298> seconds since something like 1st jan 1970.
[19:14] <adamgreig> https://github.com/danielrichman/strict-rfc3339
[19:15] <SP9UOB-Tom> adamgreig: but there is "date overlap problem", most common compillers has ready to use time.h
[19:15] <adamgreig> mfa298: yes, it's exactly seconds since 00:00 on 1st jan 1970, but I can't remember if it includes leap seconds or not. I guess it does.
[19:15] <adamgreig> SP9UOB-Tom: time.h on an AVR is probably annoying. I agree though! it does have a problem
[19:15] <mfa298> I'm assuming it does otherwise you'de need to record them somewhere else.
[19:15] <adamgreig> people are thinking of putting the date in instead
[19:15] <adamgreig> mfa298: but for it to use them they have to be recorded anyway
[19:15] <adamgreig> such a mess
[19:17] <Willdude123> Is there a way to establish whether the issue is to do with disk speed or processor speed or RAM?
[19:17] <mfa298> iostat / vmstat
[19:18] <SP9UOB-Tom> from my point of view it'll be easier and possibly shorter (ie base 92 form) than ordinary time format :-)
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[19:19] <mfa298> if it's a cheap vps (and depending on what you're making vlc do) then it could be all three (straight read from disk and send over the network shouldnt need much ram/cpu but if it's doing any coversion that can use a lot of cpu)
[19:19] <DanielRichman> adamgreig: nah unix time does /not/ incldue leap seconds, so that a day is always 86400
[19:19] <DanielRichman> well
[19:19] <DanielRichman> except for reverse leap seconds
[19:19] <adamgreig> lol
[19:19] <DanielRichman> which it not not includes >_>
[19:19] <enkidu> SP9UOB-Tom: it would be nice if transmitted in binary form
[19:20] <enkidu> even hex is not so long
[19:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> enkidu: in binary form its looks awful, so my proposal is base 92 or even hexadecimal (as an option of course)
[19:21] <SP9UOB-Tom> Leo; are You here :) ?
[19:21] <enkidu> hex would need 8 bytes for 4 byte integer
[19:21] <Willdude123> ping Upu Getting an extra VPS, do you mind helping me with the DNS? IIRC the DNS for willdover.co.uk is handled by cPanel and I needed you to do something when I set up vps.willdover.co.uk .
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[19:23] <mfa298> dns (with a control panel) should be really easy, put a name in, set type to A and put an IP in. (Not that I've used a control panel for dns in a long time)
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[19:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening Leo :-)
[19:23] <SP9UOB-Tom> we are talking about unix timestamp as date/dime destignator :-)
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> Hi all, just do it lol
[19:25] <LeoBodnar> And go binary altogether
[19:25] <Willdude123> I think cPanel usually wants to do it in a way that it points to a page on the server it's on
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[19:25] <LeoBodnar> it's not very human readable anyway
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: but base92 or hexacecimal should be ok, and not so long
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> ... and human doesnt realle need to know exact "frame" time :-)
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> ... and human doesnt really need to know exact "frame" time :-)
[19:26] <LeoBodnar> In addition to regular time or as a replacement?
[19:26] <SP9UOB-Tom> typos..
[19:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> as a replacement
[19:27] <Willdude123> +
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> of course they do when half of it is missing :)
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[19:29] Action: SP9UOB-Tom has 11 cu meters of hydrogen in hangar ;-)
[19:29] <LeoBodnar> I have been advocating unix timestamp just this morning. I am a bit inconsistent
[19:30] <enkidu> pros: it is short and contains both date and time. cons: it will make things more complex
[19:30] <mfa298> first question to check would be how easy is it to convert on the various microcontrollers
[19:31] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: unix timestamp as an option is good choice
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> if we want to make things more complex let's make them very complex.
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> and very efficient
[19:31] <enkidu> pure binary with packet viewer in dl-fldigi?
[19:31] <LeoBodnar> yeah
[19:31] <adamgreig> I vote putting a text date string next to the time string
[19:32] <adamgreig> "Fri 27 September 2013,20:32:12"
[19:32] <SP9UOB-Tom> binary and turbo codes
[19:32] <enkidu> more things to transmit - more things to f*k up
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> I have $$B-14,1,203222,130927,...
[19:32] <LeoBodnar> oh god
[19:33] <nats`> you launched b-14 ?
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> not yet :D
[19:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: C30 has good and working time.h :-)
[19:33] <mfa298> just changing the time into unixtime seems a bit pointless. having a binary format which uses unixtime might make sense, and keep the current format for people that don't need fast updates
[19:33] <LeoBodnar> We can have a Tweet or Facebook field too!
[19:33] <nats`> oO
[19:33] <adamgreig> sounds good LeoBodnar
[19:33] <SP9UOB-Tom> LikeIT!
[19:33] <nats`> do you take LSD ?
[19:34] <adamgreig> I was thinking maybe it could have some inspirational quotes at the end too
[19:34] <adamgreig> about space and maybe some bad puns too
[19:34] <LeoBodnar> if unix then go for fortune cookies
[19:34] <adamgreig> in all seriousness I think yymmdd,hhmmss is best in line with the ukhas stuff
[19:34] <adamgreig> we already get excellent data reception
[19:34] <adamgreig> so frankly that's fine
[19:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> ...and bash scripts uploadable by RTTY
[19:35] <adamgreig> hex or b64/90 encoding is a pain
[19:35] <adamgreig> SP9UOB-Tom: a LISP REPL, please
[19:35] <enkidu> adamgreig: day flight number
[19:35] <nats`> why not some malbolge program
[19:35] <LeoBodnar> I have put time in front of date as I expect it to be after frame number almost on a genetic level
[19:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> adamgreig: in 3rd generation
[19:35] <adamgreig> enkidu: we considered that before but it makes telem stateful in a bad way
[19:35] <adamgreig> I think you do yymmdd,hhmmss or yy/mm/dd,hh:mm:ss, for ukhas format
[19:35] <enkidu> ok
[19:36] <adamgreig> and then I think when people use binary formats
[19:36] <adamgreig> we use a sensible binary format
[19:36] <adamgreig> unix timestamp is a fair option
[19:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> its time to start working on binary protocol with optional error correcting codes
[19:37] <enkidu> SP9UOB-Tom: self explanatory format maybe
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> and it's date to start doing it too
[19:37] <enkidu> so tracker would dynamically omit unneeded fields
[19:37] <LeoBodnar> include routing info lol
[19:38] <SP9UOB-Tom> IPv6
[19:38] <Laurenceb__> hi all
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> yo!
[19:38] Nick change: Laurenceb__ -> DrLaurenceb
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> have you submitted it?
[19:38] <DrLaurenceb> yup
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> Nurse!
[19:38] <DrLaurenceb> only to supervisors tho
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lol, The Big Bang Therory in TV
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> Well done Dr
[19:39] <DrLaurenceb> doubt I'll have it properly finished before christmas
[19:39] <DrLaurenceb> thanks
[19:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> enkidu: do You have TVN24 ?
[19:39] <DrLaurenceb> viva, corrections etc.
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[19:42] <enkidu> SP9UOB-Tom: probably I have, are you asking for my tv streams or only for channels? :>
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[19:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> enkidu: they be live from my tommorow's launch :-)
[19:43] <enkidu> oh, nice :)
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[19:43] <enkidu> I can watch online streams
[19:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
[19:44] <enkidu> nighty m8
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[19:49] <Laurenceb__> what the hell
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> what's that?
[19:50] <Laurenceb__> trollercoaster
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[20:22] <eroomde> greetings nats
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[20:34] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: I just caught myself wishing I had 5 or so of the HP power supplies.
[20:34] <eroomde> nice
[20:34] <eroomde> what for?
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: So to properly measure the power use of the motherboard that's arriving monday
[20:34] <eroomde> that would be interesting
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> People have been reporting 14W wallplug idle on the platform
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> Which seems surprising to me.
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> (i3 haswell)
[20:39] <Ugi_> HI Guys - aiming for a launch on Sunday. Could someone authorise the flight document for me? named ToGo1
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> (/me can't)
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[21:16] <LeoBodnar> Ugi_: have you had it done?
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[21:19] <Upu> Ugi_ I've approved it
[21:19] <Upu> good luck this time
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[21:24] <LeoBodnar> Screening LiPo batteries for tomorrow flight http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/LiPo-testing.jpg
[21:25] <Upu> picking a good one ?
[21:25] <enkidu> is the fridge related?
[21:26] <eroomde> aunty
[21:26] <LeoBodnar> yeah, batteries go there for -20C treatment
[21:29] <LeoBodnar> Notice Kelvin connections
[21:30] <Upu> hope all the planning works
[21:30] <arko> nice!
[21:30] <arko> environmental testing dat shiz
[21:32] <LeoBodnar> Unfortunately I don't have you baro thermo thing!
[21:32] <arko> heh, the env chamber is taking up space here, want it?
[21:32] <Ugi_> Upu: Thanks - forecast is looking pretty robust this week - not the 5 miles from the sea that it's been most Fridays!
[21:32] <arko> :P shipping will be expensive though
[21:33] <arko> the pump is like 20kg
[21:33] <arko> er
[21:33] <arko> 8kg
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[21:33] <LeoBodnar> haha 20 lbs then
[21:33] <arko> yeah
[21:33] <arko> i was trying to go metric :)
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> don't! :D
[21:33] <arko> haha
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> Did I say today that I love you, HP/Agilent?
[21:34] <arko> i love old HP equiptment
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> Please keep making instrumentation and stop fooling around with PCs and PDAs
[21:34] <arko> srsly
[21:35] <arko> That was the whole idea with Agilent
[21:35] <arko> but i heard they really changed when that happened
[21:35] <arko> HP use to have some of the best engineers in the country
[21:35] <arko> all hail the woz
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> lol, good man
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> He's like a big kid
[21:36] <arko> srsly
[21:36] <arko> super nice guy too
[21:36] <arko> i had him on my podcast years ago
[21:37] <arko> super cool guy to hang out with, he just loves tech
[21:37] <arko> geniune
[21:37] <arko> i wish more people were like him
[21:37] <LeoBodnar> humans are lucky that he wasn't born a virus
[21:37] <arko> haha
[21:37] <arko> indeed
[21:38] <LeoBodnar> Strudel time strikes again
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[23:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ping LeoBodnar
[23:05] <DL7AD> G0TDJ_Steve: i think hes currenty not there
[23:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Looks like it :-) Do you know when he's launching tomorrow? (today)
[23:05] <DL7AD> G0TDJ_Steve: when theres no rain ^^ no i dont know
[23:05] <LeoBodnar> i'm still here
[23:06] <DL7AD> we were talking about the best time to launch
[23:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK No worries :-) If you happen to speak to him, say I said Hi - I'm off to bed!
[23:06] <Laurenceb__> is there a B-14 launch?
[23:06] <LeoBodnar> yeah, nothing is ready, payload isn't assembled so all according to plan so far! :D
[23:06] <Laurenceb__> heh
[23:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah! LeoBodnar
[23:06] <LeoBodnar> Hi
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[23:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was just asking when your launch will be LOL
[23:07] <fsphil> there's a plan?
[23:07] <Laurenceb__> are you going to use Max7?
[23:07] <Laurenceb__> plan?? what does that word mean
[23:07] <LeoBodnar> i believe it's an acronym
[23:08] <LeoBodnar> sometime in the morning
[23:08] <LeoBodnar> prediction is quite iffy
[23:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK I'll get set up early. I'd like to help out with Chris's too
[23:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Must dig out the dongle so I can get two going at once
[23:09] <LeoBodnar> it goes to France then stops and comes back. I don't believe it!
[23:09] <LeoBodnar> no rush! :D
[23:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> :D Hang on, this is one of yours we're talking about?
[23:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyhow, GOOD NIGHT Everyone - See you tomorrow (Later)
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> gn!
[23:10] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[23:10] <G0TDJ_AFK> 73
[23:10] <G0TDJ_AFK> ..
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> OK, I am off too
[23:10] <LeoBodnar> good night!
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[23:11] <Laurenceb__> it needs a vutdown
[23:11] <Laurenceb__> *cut
[23:52] <SpeedEvil> To repost an earlier question.
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Does anyone happen to know if any lighter than air thing under 2m is exempt
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> Or is it just unguided free ascent balloons
[23:53] <SpeedEvil> (uk)
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