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[02:16] <heathkid> any launches coming up this weekend?
[02:16] <DL7AD> hm.... maybe b-13?
[02:16] <enkidu> coming. three launches at Gliwice, one launch in Chojnice
[02:17] <heathkid> nice!
[02:17] <heathkid> b-13?
[02:17] <DL7AD> hey enkidu? still up?
[02:17] <heathkid> what's that?
[02:17] <heathkid> hello DL7AD and enkidu
[02:17] <DL7AD> b-13? leo's next balloon
[02:17] <heathkid> size? payload?
[02:17] <heathkid> tracker?
[02:17] <DL7AD> i dont know
[02:17] <enkidu> as I told - sleep is for weak ;) also I have to go to work in 1h30
[02:18] <DL7AD> lol
[02:18] <heathkid> enkidu: drink coffee... chat... go to work. :P
[02:18] <enkidu> construction site, so I wont fall asleep
[02:18] <DL7AD> coke... cheers
[02:18] <heathkid> sounds like too much work!
[02:18] <enkidu> not really :) only few things right now
[02:19] <DL7AD> im currently working to change a complete website from one server to another...
[02:19] <enkidu> nice
[02:19] <enkidu> about Leo's tracker - it may be HF this time
[02:20] <DL7AD> do you think? i dont think he will
[02:20] <DL7AD> because on hf you need much more power
[02:20] <enkidu> 10mw WSPR
[02:21] <DL7AD> (with good conditons) ^^
[02:21] <DL7AD> i think you should have 100mW at least ;)
[02:21] <enkidu> or even other slow speed modulations
[02:22] <DL7AD> there was somebody who told in this chat, that you could transmit 2 bits/day by moonbouncing with 10mW :D rofl
[02:22] <enkidu> ^^
[02:23] <enkidu> actually it is easy using shortwave propagation
[02:23] <enkidu> range exceeding LOS
[02:23] <enkidu> but this antennas
[02:24] <enkidu> these*
[02:25] <heathkid> this week I've been doing ESD testing
[02:25] <heathkid> so much fun
[02:25] <heathkid> not
[02:25] <enkidu> :}
[02:25] <enkidu> report summary: device sensitive for thunder struck
[02:25] <heathkid> but we did get a new LN2 tank today (usually get one every other week)
[02:26] <heathkid> one of they guys said I should try to get a 150 cu/ft. He tank from our supplier with our discount (hmmm...) :)
[02:26] <heathkid> I don't like new LN2 tanks... vent too frequently and "startles" me! LOL
[02:27] <heathkid> but I finally have gotten used to filling the Dewars
[02:27] <heathkid> used to scare me
[02:28] <heathkid> after freezing my lab coat to the table a few times... it's no big deal now
[02:28] <enkidu> scaring is, when you cannot open Dewars
[02:28] <enkidu> filled Dewars
[02:28] <heathkid> how can you no open them?
[02:28] <heathkid> it's basically a cork
[02:28] <heathkid> that floats
[02:29] <heathkid> well... a special foam type thingy cork
[02:29] <heathkid> looks like styrofoam
[02:29] <heathkid> probably is
[02:29] <enkidu> there was little amount of water some idiot left on cork
[02:30] <enkidu> also it was reinforced one
[02:30] <heathkid> oh... it's *open itself* after a while. ;)
[02:31] <heathkid> and no water gets near the Dewars I fill... on our two SEMs
[02:31] <heathkid> the other Dewars used for other things (the portable ones) I don't mess with much...
[02:31] <enkidu> ask moron that filled it. I dont know either
[02:31] <heathkid> did it eventually *pop*?
[02:32] <enkidu> actually I dont know - we burried it
[02:32] <heathkid> wow
[02:32] <heathkid> well... at least a venting tank of LN2 is a GOOD tank of LN2... :P
[02:33] <heathkid> if it stops venting... that "could" be bad
[02:34] <heathkid> ah... today we found a leak on one of our SEMs chillers...
[02:34] <heathkid> not good
[02:34] <heathkid> fixed leak, refilled tank... good to go now
[02:34] <heathkid> had to shut down the Jeol for a few hours though
[02:35] <heathkid> our Hitachi was fine (seperate chiller)
[02:35] <DL7AD> there's much noise on the israel stream :/
[02:35] <enkidu> also it is not as freq stable as it should be
[02:35] <heathkid> when hasn't there been?
[02:36] <enkidu> this noise was @2khz
[02:36] <DL7AD> enkidu it is ;) because the rtl-stick is combined with a frequency-generator
[02:37] <enkidu> with what stability?
[02:37] <heathkid> so many people missed out!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/350878731440
[02:37] <enkidu> +-30ppm?
[02:37] <DL7AD> 0.1ppm
[02:37] <heathkid> first time I've seen that available in that quantity
[02:37] <enkidu> nice one
[02:38] <heathkid> only two available... dang!
[02:38] <DL7AD> he notices this before. so he replaced the oscillator with his frequency-generator
[02:38] Action: heathkid is lost...
[02:39] <DL7AD> rofl
[02:39] <heathkid> either of you two have a Rb standard or a Thunderbolt GPSDO?
[02:39] <enkidu> nope
[02:39] Action: heathkid recently acquired a new frequency generator... up to 2.4GHz (but needs an external 10MHz clock)
[02:39] <DL7AD> i have access to one
[02:40] <heathkid> hmm
[02:40] <heathkid> I sort of accidently got obsessed about a year ago and bought several...
[02:40] <heathkid> oops
[02:40] <DL7AD> its not mine but i can ask for it to use it
[02:41] <heathkid> that and a calibrated HP counter (well... a few months past CAL now)
[02:41] <heathkid> oh, guess what I get to play with next week?
[02:41] <DL7AD> rofl the HP counter is calibrated when it ran for an hour :P
[02:41] <heathkid> I get "official" training on our High Altitude Chamber! :)
[02:42] <heathkid> DL7AD: not so...
[02:42] <heathkid> it needs to run for a couple months to become stable
[02:42] <DL7AD> pfff ..... its sufficient for me ;)
[02:42] <heathkid> turn off the power... turn it back on... months....
[02:43] <heathkid> sufficient for almost everyone
[02:43] <heathkid> :)
[02:43] <DL7AD> rofl
[02:43] Action: heathkid can be a bit obsessive at times...
[02:43] <heathkid> google "timenuts"
[02:43] <DL7AD> that person who has the standard has an USV for it and its running for almost couple of years
[02:47] <heathkid> a couple of my standards had run for about a year and then my UPS died...
[02:47] <heathkid> dang SLA battery!!!
[02:48] <heathkid> I should know better
[02:48] <enkidu> heathkid: there are already supercap based UPS systems
[02:48] <enkidu> rack mounted
[02:48] <heathkid> link?
[02:49] <heathkid> sounds $$$$$$$$$$$4
[02:49] <DL7AD> :D
[02:49] <enkidu> I have polish distributor site
[02:49] Action: heathkid is thinking a few marine batteries in parallel and swapping them out one at a time each year (using the swapped out one on one of our boats)
[02:50] <enkidu> and yes, it is expensive
[02:50] <heathkid> I've got a HUGE APC UPS that's made to use motorcycle batteries
[02:50] <enkidu> 2kVA - 13k Euro
[02:50] <heathkid> should work
[02:50] <heathkid> dang!!!
[02:50] <heathkid> for my home lab???
[02:50] <heathkid> though I do have to admit the only thing I'm missing is a SEM and Live X-Ray
[02:51] <heathkid> and BOTH may be acquired later this year... maybe...
[02:51] <heathkid> with some repairs needed
[02:52] <heathkid> SEM is a cheap fix... Live X-Ray needs a new tube AND detector (not a cheap fix)
[02:52] <heathkid> it still works... but the resolution has gotten worse over time
[02:53] <heathkid> back to HAB
[02:54] <heathkid> I'd do a launch Saturday IF I had any gas that was lighter than air!
[02:54] <heathkid> and a way to fill a balloon
[02:55] <heathkid> the current tracker is rock solid stable and *works*
[02:55] <heathkid> will be testing next revision hopefully next week
[02:55] <enkidu> you could even use methane, but it would give you minimal buoyancy
[02:56] <heathkid> though I still don't understand why our tracker dies at just under 2.5V but I can run it long enough for a fast ascent to burst off a single AA Lithium... (1.5V)
[02:56] <enkidu> 2.5 on lithium protected cell?
[02:57] <heathkid> no
[02:57] <heathkid> running 3 standard Energizer AA's for testing
[02:57] <heathkid> or ONE 1.5V Energizer Lithium Ultimate
[02:57] <heathkid> haven't tested with my 14500 Li-Ion's yet
[02:58] <heathkid> the "ONE" being a AA.... can't get it to work with a single Energizer Lithium Ultimate AAA yet
[02:58] <heathkid> not enough current available for TX with the HX-1 I guess
[02:58] <heathkid> APRS you know...
[02:58] <heathkid> not RTTY
[02:59] <heathkid> but at 300+mW
[02:59] Action: heathkid is glad to live in the USA
[02:59] <heathkid> :)
[02:59] <heathkid> and have a ham license
[03:00] <heathkid> I keep trying to keep my payload to under 1Kg... but for some reason... that's WAY too much (I might have to add ballast)
[03:00] <heathkid> at least to keep with my calculations
[03:01] <heathkid> tracker is like 12g
[03:01] <heathkid> add a battery
[03:01] <heathkid> some foam
[03:01] <heathkid> a bit of rope and a parachute
[03:01] <heathkid> can't get to even 1Kg
[03:01] <heathkid> add a HD video camera
[03:01] <heathkid> still WAY short
[03:02] <heathkid> and yes... with our setup... no problems using the keychain HD cameras (808's)
[03:02] <heathkid> tested... works... no problems
[03:02] <heathkid> at least on the ground
[03:03] <heathkid> I've done hundreds of "simulated" launches... it's time to do a real one! :)
[03:03] Action: heathkid wonders if he is talking to himself...
[03:03] <enkidu> not yet
[03:03] <enkidu> =]
[03:03] <heathkid> :)
[03:04] <heathkid> unfortuately.... can't do a pico APRS
[03:04] <DL7AD> why?
[03:04] <heathkid> the HX-1 just takes too much
[03:04] <heathkid> unless I used a bunch of 3 ft. party balloons...
[03:05] <heathkid> all my calculations are using a 600g balloon
[03:05] <heathkid> with a <1Kg payload
[03:05] <heathkid> very fast ascent to burst at just over 100k ft.
[03:05] <heathkid> launch to landing within 100 miles
[03:09] <enkidu> nice
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[03:12] <DL7AD> heatkid you said to me (when i was in us) you want to create a network for hab's :)
[03:15] <DL7AD> enkidu are you producing that humming on your server? :D
[03:15] <enkidu> no, it is as taken from stream
[03:16] <heathkid> yes DL7AD
[03:16] <DL7AD> ^^
[03:17] <DL7AD> heathkid did you receive pm's?
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[04:47] <magavolt> Hello all
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[04:49] <magavolt> I have never used a irc and not sure of the rules, but I am here to get help with my first balloon project
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[04:53] <magavolt> Help
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[06:12] Nick change: Upu- -> Upu
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[07:10] <Hix> morning all
[07:10] <WillDWork> Morning Hix
[07:11] <Hix> g'day WillDWork
[07:11] <eroomde> WillDTablet
[07:11] <eroomde> just to confuse the whole situation
[07:11] <WillDWork> cheers ed
[07:12] <WillDWork> I'm claiming anything WillD*
[07:13] Nick change: Hix -> WillD95950894951
[07:13] <WillDWork> :D
[07:13] <WillD95950894951> cheating system cut my handle short
[07:14] Nick change: WillD95950894951 -> Hix
[07:15] <Hix> anyone with experience of WWAN cards in laptops vs 3G routers? Wondering how much the signal varies between them. also external antenna options
[07:16] <eroomde> no except that my feeling was the prefer the latter as the lifetime turnover of mobile devices and mobile techs seems to be faster than that of laptops
[07:17] <eroomde> so you can go from 3g dongle to hsdpa dongle to LTE dongle during the lifetime of one laptop
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[07:24] <daveake> I hate the 3g dongles for 2 reasons. 1 easy to break. 2 their tendency to install 100MB of bullshit
[07:25] <adamgreig> use them on ubuntu
[07:25] <adamgreig> no bullshit
[07:25] <adamgreig> ;)
[07:25] <daveake> True:-)
[07:25] <daveake> Best for signal is a mifi ime
[07:25] <Hix> I'm referring to internal WWAN cards, Ericsson F3507g to be specific
[07:26] <Hix> and when i say 3G its really 2.75G EDGE :)
[07:26] <daveake> Upu's internal 3g was better than my dongle. My mifi is better than either
[07:27] <eroomde> mifi
[07:27] <eroomde> oh you just said that
[07:27] <eroomde> yes
[07:27] <eroomde> miff seems like a good thing
[07:27] <Hix> I was thinking it should be better than a tethered phone as there are dual antennae runnig around the whole laptop chassis
[07:27] <eroomde> although my galaxy basically does everything i want now
[07:27] <daveake> My chase car experience is much better since I got my current one
[07:27] <eroomde> as a wireless AP
[07:27] <Hix> mifi?
[07:27] <daveake> 3g wlan ap
[07:27] <Upu> I think your MIFI with a business SIM would be perfect
[07:27] <daveake> :-)
[07:28] <daveake> Get a mifi with an aerial socket
[07:28] <eroomde> do they exist?
[07:28] <Hix> ahh, gotcha. I can configure the thinkpad to act as an AP
[07:28] <daveake> Yes have one
[07:29] <Hix> and as it has u.fl sockets on board, I reckon it could be possible to connect an external antenna
[07:29] <eroomde> daveake: that's cool
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[07:29] <Upu> what you need a Pi based load balancer with multiple SIM's in it from different providers
[07:29] <eroomde> that does sound like the idea field unit
[07:29] <Upu> and yes I can do that
[07:29] <Hix> is EDGE 1900MHz
[07:29] <eroomde> do they have not-wireless tethering capability?
[07:29] <daveake> Upu perfect
[07:29] <Upu> bonds them all when working
[07:30] <Upu> so you get uber bandwidths
[07:30] <daveake> My mifi can be used via usb also
[07:30] <eroomde> i put a usb 3g dongle in the focus of a 4ft dish
[07:30] <eroomde> and aimed at at a tower
[07:30] <Upu> :)
[07:30] <eroomde> made a big difference
[07:30] <daveake> :-)
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[07:30] <eroomde> good for field work
[07:31] Action: daveake adds dish to chase kit :-)
[07:31] <adamgreig> hehe
[07:31] <adamgreig> need collapsing dishes
[07:31] <eroomde> yeah
[07:31] <daveake> Or .... Move to Spain where 3g works almost everywhere
[07:31] <eroomde> wire mesh ones
[07:31] <eroomde> waterproof too
[07:32] <eroomde> i think all launch kit should be weatherproof really
[07:32] <daveake> Middle of nowhere dirt track roads 5 bars on 3g signal
[07:32] <cuddykid> morning all
[07:33] <adamgreig> weird daveake
[07:33] <adamgreig> not exactly flat terrain either
[07:33] <eroomde> good atmospherics perhaps
[07:33] <eroomde> little water
[07:33] <adamgreig> rockblocks for tx and rx
[07:34] <Hix> are Huawei a good make for mifi? seem to remeber them doing the crap dongles
[07:35] <eroomde> i think they do almost all chinese networking devices
[07:35] <eroomde> http://www.eng.cam.ac.uk/news/stories/2013/Google_Fellowship/
[07:36] <Hix> Amazon reviewer "experience of data usage so far suggests that watching films could get very expensive" no shit sherlock
[07:36] <eroomde> he did a bit with CUSF ^
[07:36] <eroomde> and was at churchill
[07:36] <eroomde> saw him on friday intact, he didn't mention
[07:37] <adamgreig> nice
[07:37] <adamgreig> though his profile pic
[07:37] <eroomde> he also has an incredibly incredibly dry sense of humour which i suspect is what get birth to that profile picture
[07:37] <eroomde> gave*
[07:38] <eroomde> you saw it too huh
[07:39] <adamgreig> all my friends have generous corporate sponsors for their PhDs
[07:39] <adamgreig> I may have missed a trick
[07:39] <eroomde> never too late
[07:39] <adamgreig> it's like +50% pay
[07:39] <adamgreig> hah
[07:39] <eroomde> aim for the good
[07:39] <eroomde> their summer internships easily double your annual earnings
[07:40] <Hix> http://images.comparecellular.com/phones/1753/2464/Huawei-E586E-Left-Side-View.JPG looks promising - here appears to be an antenna socket cover
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[07:42] <DL1SGP> Good Morning
[07:42] <daveake> adamgreig We launched in a very flat area both times
[07:42] <adamgreig> recovery the first time not so much?
[07:42] <DL1SGP> great flight yesterday daveake, congrats!
[07:43] <daveake> The mountain rescue one we were up high. 100m below where payload was had no signal
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[07:45] <Hix> Thinking about it, it can't be long before 4G mifi units are launched can it?
[07:46] <domlin> hello all
[07:46] <Hix> hi domlin
[07:47] <DL1SGP> hi domlin
[07:48] <domlin> everyone having a good friday?
[07:48] <eroomde> daveake: please ask them to properly reconsider high alt ignition
[07:49] <eroomde> and not just keep pissing away flights hoping ground techniques might work this time
[07:49] <eroomde> i'm not sure who is responsible for that bit
[07:49] <eroomde> but it probably needs fixing
[07:52] <daveake> It does. They know. They have ideas but no answer. You should speak to them.
[07:53] <eroomde> yes
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[07:53] <daveake> Pissing away flights is definitely off the agenda till it's fixed
[07:54] <daveake> It's been fun but it's a crazy way to go on
[07:55] <WillDWork> what was the problem?
[07:56] <Hix> domlin - I will be after ~16:00
[07:57] <eroomde> the igniter keeps failing to ignite the rocket motor
[07:57] <eroomde> which is unsurprising
[07:59] <WillDWork> shame
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[07:59] <eroomde> it's a different problem with cold fuel at low pressures
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[07:59] <eroomde> most igniters just produce hot gases, and at low pressures they dissipate away very quickly, before they've got enough energy into the fuel grains to start them
[08:00] <eroomde> so my solution is to modify igniters to produce liquid-phase combustion products
[08:00] <eroomde> i.e. thermite
[08:00] <WillDWork> thermite
[08:00] <WillDWork> jinks
[08:00] <domlin> Hix:15:00 over here! then I have to go and endure salesman's jabber at Ford
[08:00] <eroomde> which then spatter over the inside wall of the fuel grain and get it started quite nicely
[08:00] <eroomde> takes a bit of care and feeding to get the thermite started as the ignition temperature is enormous
[08:01] <eroomde> so i use a first-fire compound of KNO3, Al and sulfur which combusts hot enough to get the thermite going
[08:01] <eroomde> you can fit all this is the cap of the igniter
[08:02] <adamgreig> or you can stick an e-match in, plug it, cross your fingers and hope for the best? :P
[08:02] <Maxell> Uh-oh. My remote HAB-tracking machine crashed and I'm at work.
[08:02] <eroomde> or you can do that yes
[08:02] <adamgreig> still sad the hybrid didn't ignore
[08:02] <adamgreig> ignite*
[08:02] <adamgreig> we put so much energy into that bloody fuel
[08:03] <eroomde> suspect it was supersonic flow over the grain
[08:03] <eroomde> none-starter
[08:03] <eroomde> non*
[08:03] <adamgreig> you reckon, supersonic out the injector with non pressurised nitrous?
[08:03] <adamgreig> well self pressurised
[08:04] <adamgreig> the hole down the middle of the grain (suspect there's a word for that) was kinda narrow I guess
[08:04] <eroomde> yes exactly that
[08:06] <adamgreig> still, it got redrilled
[08:06] <adamgreig> still got a lot of that nitrous around actually
[08:06] <adamgreig> should really get around to venting that
[08:07] <eroomde> use it for great good
[08:07] <domlin> nitrous oxide?
[08:08] <eroomde> yes
[08:08] <domlin> become a dentist?
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[08:08] <Maxell> Hey PE2G
[08:08] <PE2G> Good Morning
[08:08] <eroomde> it's a good oxidiser for uses a rocket propellent domlin
[08:09] <Maxell> No tracking for me today - remote hab tracking computer crashed and I can't remote reset it :P
[08:09] <adamgreig> eroomde: yea ideally I would use it for another rocket test
[08:09] <Maxell> I do have R820T dongle with me, so if the signal is strong enough I can pick it up at work,
[08:09] <adamgreig> maybe I could bring it up to cambridge
[08:10] <Hix> sad day for the VC-10 :/
[08:10] <PE2G> Maxell: Maxell: Can you reach a high receiving point at work?
[08:10] <domlin> could experiment and use the nitrous with a fuel powered RC car
[08:12] <adamgreig> ooooh
[08:12] <adamgreig> that might be highly entertaining
[08:12] <adamgreig> sounds like a terrible idea though
[08:12] <Hix> not for the piston
[08:12] <adamgreig> not sure that the several-kg tank of nitrous is going to go go on the car very well
[08:12] <adamgreig> could s/RC //
[08:12] <adamgreig> :P
[08:13] <PE2G> Maxell: I got good signal from the Worcester launch last time
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[08:13] <Hix> glow engines use a methanol-nitromethane mix hence the term Nitro fuel
[08:15] <Maxell> PE2G: I might. Would 3 extra meters help? :P
[08:15] <Hix> which reminds me, I have a four stroke glow engine in the loft and a sopwith Pup that I bought years ago, should really get the old girl airborne with a GoPro on it
[08:15] <Maxell> Also the antenna is kinda shitty :P
[08:15] <PE2G> Maxell: Every cm helps :)
[08:16] <Maxell> heh
[08:16] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/BEpnQMh.jpg last time, the launch was in Den Haag so not much of a problem
[08:16] <eroomde> adamgreig: matt's blog is basically just nice visualisations of things
[08:16] <eroomde> but they are nice
[08:16] <eroomde> http://blog.matthen.com/
[08:18] <adamgreig> oh cool
[08:18] <PE2G> Maxell: you don't have that antenna today?
[08:19] <adamgreig> http://gravity.matthen.com/
[08:23] <eroomde> nice visualisation of the IFT
[08:23] <eroomde> http://blog.matthen.com/post/42112703604/the-smooth-motion-of-rotating-circles-can-be-used
[08:24] <Maxell> PE2G: I do, thats the problem :P
[08:25] <Maxell> Just 20 cm 1/4 wave rod
[08:26] <PE2G> Maxell: Maybe signals become strong enough for it. You never know
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[08:27] <Maxell> heh, already warming up the stick with 70 cm APRS :p
[08:29] <PE2G> Maxell: As always, I'll be relying on the Carant 7 el. yagi, which isn't exactly fancy
[08:30] <PE2G> But works well
[08:30] <PE2G> On the met-balloon band too
[08:31] <adamgreig> eroomde: haha this blog is great
[08:31] <adamgreig> so much for my morning
[08:32] <cuddykid> something is bound to go wrong with my launch today..
[08:32] <eroomde> yep!
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[08:34] <eroomde> http://blog.matthen.com/post/34258340892/a-sweet-way-to-make-a-60-degree-bend-using-a-mitre
[08:34] <Mik_WD8MNV> how much computing power does it take to do packets for aprs?
[08:35] <eroomde> the prose is just very funny too
[08:35] <eroomde> if you know matt
[08:35] <eroomde> i get the feeling this whole blog is a satire
[08:38] <Maxell> PE2G: that yagi looks pretty OK
[08:38] <Maxell> It looks a lot like the one costyn got for portable HABing
[08:40] <PE2G> Maxell: I believe costyn has the Carant too
[08:41] <adamgreig> eroomde: haha yes, I like the random bold words
[08:41] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[08:42] <PE2G> Maxell, I'm off for a while, will be back for HABE, bye
[08:43] <Babs__> that dude is smart. can't see why he opted for the fens.
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[08:46] <Maxell> ah
[08:52] <darkstar-20011> cuddykid: Stupid question, I must have missed it, but where is your launch from today?
[08:52] <cuddykid> darkstar-20011: just north of Worcester :)
[08:52] <Maxell> HABE 10 - Friday 20th - Worcester
[08:53] <darkstar-20011> OK, cool.
[08:53] <darkstar-20011> Good luck!
[08:53] <cuddykid> thanks - I certainly need it today with so many new things going on!
[08:53] <cuddykid> something is bound to fail
[08:54] <darkstar-20011> but just think how much you'll learn....
[08:55] <WillDWork> good luck - what ish time for launch?
[08:55] <eroomde> someone who understand twitter: what is this?
[08:55] <eroomde> https://twitter.com/G0TDJ/status/380977524383031296
[08:55] <eroomde> FuckFace?
[08:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning HABers :-)
[08:56] <WillDWork> i think it's follow friday
[08:56] <eroomde> what is follow friday?
[08:56] <eroomde> ah just the man!
[08:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Whats that, I just read
[08:56] <eroomde> G0TDJ_Steve: i don't really use twitter and thus if i'm meant to know what that tweet means, i don't
[08:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, It's a Follow Friday
[08:56] <eroomde> ?
[08:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> All the people I find interesting that I think others should follow, have you not heard of this?
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[08:57] <eroomde> nope
[08:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've been doing it since I started using Twitter a few years back.
[08:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Do you wish me to take you off the list?
[08:57] <cuddykid> WillDWork: cheers, around 12:30ish
[08:57] <eroomde> but i am not much of a twitterer so it's far from the first case of protocol that has baffled me
[08:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[08:57] <eroomde> no!
[08:58] <eroomde> i'm learning
[08:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool. You should do it yourself. And twitter is great for info gathering
[08:58] <eroomde> so you're saying that i would probably find the others listed interesting?
[08:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes, All the ones in your block are HABers too
[08:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> I tend to subdivide by subject
[08:58] <eroomde> cool
[08:58] <eroomde> thanks
[08:58] <eroomde> i shall have a look
[08:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's the whole point, to discover new people to follow with similar interests
[08:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddykid: I understand you're launching today?
[09:00] <eroomde> great
[09:00] <eroomde> but first, time to go to work
[09:00] <eroomde> bbl
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[09:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hum de hum....
[09:05] <cuddykid> G0TDJ_Steve: yup around 12:30ish :)
[09:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good stuff - I'll try and track for you
[09:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> And don't worry! Just let it happen :D
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[09:08] <cuddykid> G0TDJ_Steve: thanks! :)
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[09:18] <cuddykid> launch delayed - probably will be around 1ish now
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[09:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK I'll be watching
[09:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good Morning Anthony
[09:32] <Hix> Upu you off work this week? not noticed UpuWork pop up
[09:33] <Hix> lots of nick changes lately
[09:33] <Upu> no
[09:33] <Upu> will be end of next week at the earlies
[09:33] <Upu> earliest
[09:33] <Upu> morning Steve
[09:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hiya
[09:34] <Hix> ah, some nicks become sort of reflex typing but then you realise they changed..
[09:34] <fsphil> mornings and stuff
[09:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> When you have a moment guys, you may find this interesting: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-truth-is-out-there-british-scientists-claim-to-have-found-proof-of-alien-life-8826690.html
[09:34] <adamgreig> Professor Milton Wainwright told The Independent that he was "95 per cent convinced" that the organisms did not originate from earth.
[09:34] <adamgreig> so I actually did this myself
[09:35] <adamgreig> and decided I was something like 0.001% convinced
[09:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> :D
[09:35] <adamgreig> (actually very slightly less, 0.0099%)
[09:35] <adamgreig> and that was being generous
[09:35] <Upu> I am dubious to say the least
[09:35] <fsphil> I'm not sure, it could be more like 0.0000253%
[09:35] <adamgreig> if you accept that there's a one a million chance that bacteria are actually coming from space, before you do the experiement
[09:35] <adamgreig> which is the generous part
[09:35] <Upu> I think cross contamination could be an issue
[09:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Me too Anthony but I still found it interesting
[09:35] <adamgreig> and then 1 in 10 odds of you contaminating the balloon at launch - also very generous
[09:36] <adamgreig> and assume you detect bacteria 50% of the time that they're present - also very generous
[09:36] <fsphil> bacteria have been blasted of the earth for billions of years
[09:36] <adamgreig> then you end up with one in a hundred thousand (and one) odds of the bacteria coming from space, given that they found them on the balloon
[09:36] <adamgreig> so like
[09:36] <adamgreig> that's not 95%
[09:36] <adamgreig> >_>
[09:36] <fsphil> the solar system is probably covered in bacteria from earth
[09:36] <fsphil> in very small amounts but still
[09:37] <adamgreig> still
[09:37] <adamgreig> a good experiment?
[09:38] <adamgreig> the point with the lack of pollen is a good one
[09:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well, it was found using a balloon... Might try and collect some 'stuff' myself sometime :-)
[09:38] <adamgreig> this reporting...
[09:38] <adamgreig> "The organisms are probably not alive, but, excitingly, probably do contain DNA. "
[09:38] <adamgreig> immediately followed by
[09:38] <adamgreig> "The fact that they contain DNA is probably one of the most exciting aspects to this discovery,"
[09:38] <Hix> as scientific reports go [and I'm no scientist] its pretty weak
[09:39] <fsphil> since there are clouds at 80km altitude, I don't believe it's impossible to have bacteria reach 27km
[09:39] <adamgreig> you can't put those two sentences next to each other
[09:39] <fsphil> though I'm assuming the water vapour those clouds form from is coming from the ground
[09:40] <Upu> but guys SPACE GERMS!11
[09:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[09:40] <adamgreig> they don't even look like germs
[09:40] <adamgreig> they look like space debris
[09:40] <fsphil> there's plenty of wind at 27km too
[09:40] <nats`> Do space germs give super powers ?
[09:40] <Hix> diarrhoea
[09:40] <fsphil> "some samples covered with cosmic dust"
[09:41] <gonzo_> but a mighty powerful dose
[09:41] <Hix> that floats around in perfect little spheres
[09:41] <adamgreig> gross >:|
[09:41] <gonzo_> you never see chrs like that in comics!
[09:41] <nats`> uhhmm let me check all my deadpool issue
[09:41] <nats`> :p
[09:41] <nats`> I'm not sure it's not in it :p
[09:42] <mfa298> SPACE GERMS!! makes is sound like a spoof of Starwars.
[09:42] <Hix> cosmic! http://goo.gl/xxbk2o
[09:43] <fsphil> doesn't say what they did to avoid ground contamination or even stuff simply falling off the balloon
[09:44] Action: G0TDJ_Steve Notes that he must get a microscope....
[09:44] <adamgreig> so
[09:44] <adamgreig> I was like "maybe I'll check the paper"
[09:44] Action: Hix just did :)
[09:44] <adamgreig> search for "journal of cosmology"
[09:44] <adamgreig> result #1
[09:44] <adamgreig> Journal of Cosmology describes itself as a peer-reviewed open access scientific journal of cosmology,[1] although the quality of the process has been questioned.
[09:45] <adamgreig> The quality of peer review at the journal has been questioned.[2][3][4][5][6][7] The journal has also been accused of promoting fringe viewpoints and speculative viewpoints on astrobiology, astrophysics, and quantum physics. Skeptical blogger and biologist PZ Myers said of the journal "... it isn't a real science journal at all, but is the... website of a small group... obsessed with the idea of Hoyle
[09:45] <fsphil> it's at the bottom of that story
[09:45] <adamgreig> and Wickramasinghe that life originated in outer space and simply rained down on Earth."
[09:45] <Hix> closer to scientology imho :D
[09:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Adiran, was that the piece of kit you were waiting for the other day?
[09:45] <fsphil> "Despite these fantastical claims, the Journal of Cosmology has had its reputation called into question more than once by other members of the scientific community"
[09:45] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve Leica stereo scope. Arrived :D
[09:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry, Adrian, I can't type at the best of times
[09:45] <Hix> nps, ich auch
[09:45] <adamgreig> then you go on http://journalofcosmology.com/
[09:46] <adamgreig> and suddenly it all makes sense
[09:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Beautiful! Leica? Must've cost a fortune
[09:46] <fsphil> oh dear, it's geocities!
[09:46] <Hix> this site has more relevant science http://goo.gl/opyl
[09:46] <adamgreig> -> http://journalofcosmology.com/JOC22/Milton5R.pdf
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[09:46] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve nope - it was an absolute steal
[09:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool :D
[09:47] <adamgreig> at least it's a short paper
[09:47] <mfa298> fsphil: not enough marquee and blink for geocities
[09:47] <fsphil> "We has aliens!!1"
[09:47] <mfa298> but it's only a small step away
[09:47] <fsphil> "Or iz we the aliens?!!1"
[09:47] <fsphil> ooh I should submit that
[09:48] <adamgreig> fsphil: "The sampling apparatus was protected from downfall of particulate matter from the balloon by a cover."
[09:48] <tweetBot> @daveake: This view from the #RaspberryPi camera just before Monday's landing looks rather familiar ... http://t.co/nzb2VGGwtJ #UKHAS
[09:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> So OK. We're knocking this report. Why don't we try it for ourselves?
[09:48] <fsphil> does it show any details of the cover?
[09:48] <adamgreig> "Prior to launch, the inside of the draw device was scrupulously cleaned, air blasted and finally swapped with alcohol."
[09:48] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve http://i.imgur.com/euSt4vo.jpg
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[09:49] <adamgreig> G0TDJ_Steve: criticising others' work is much easier!
[09:49] <Hix> heh
[09:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[09:49] <Hix> true
[09:49] <fsphil> nasa are already doing this
[09:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hix, that looks the nuts
[09:49] <fsphil> they've not found the same stuff
[09:49] <Hix> "swapped with alcohol" class
[09:49] <adamgreig> they uhm
[09:49] <adamgreig> they peeled the covers off their SEM slides
[09:49] <adamgreig> by hand
[09:49] <adamgreig> at ground level
[09:49] <adamgreig> "under a cover"
[09:49] <adamgreig> "just before launching"
[09:49] <Hix> clinical
[09:49] <Hix> they should do operations
[09:50] <Hix> or forensic work
[09:50] <adamgreig> they apparently did have a control flight actually
[09:50] <adamgreig> same deal but without opening the draw in the air
[09:50] <adamgreig> and found no particulate matter
[09:50] <mfa298> G0TDJ_Steve: talk with Oliver, he's been looking at doing a similar experiment for a while and struggling with how do you stop contamination from earth matter.
[09:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> What's Oliver's nick?
[09:51] <mfa298> usually astrobiologist when he appears.
[09:51] <mfa298> he emailed the list about this story a day or two ago as well.
[09:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK, I'd be interested in a chat if nothing else
[09:51] <fsphil> he's also now M6ODP :)
[09:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah! I@ll have a look on the list
[09:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Was he at the conference?
[09:52] <Upu> he started the recent post
[09:52] <Upu> yes
[09:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool
[09:52] <fsphil> yea, did the foundation
[09:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> I have a photo of him then LOL
[09:52] <Hix> is there a central resource for conf stuff?
[09:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Not that I know of. Maybe we need a website for it
[09:53] <adamgreig> the wiki?
[09:53] <Hix> beat me
[09:53] <Hix> on the conf page
[09:53] <Upu> wiki conf page
[09:53] <mfa298> links from the conference page on the wiki would seem like the obvious way to do it.
[09:53] <Upu> feel free to amend it
[09:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Fair enough
[09:53] <fsphil> is the gps talk/workshop up yet?
[09:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> I can add my pics, at least by link
[09:54] <adamgreig> will it ever be up?
[09:54] <Hix> believe not
[09:54] <mfa298> I think craag was going to prod Noel to see if it was recorded.
[09:54] <mfa298> otherwise I think we're waiting for ed to put something up.
[09:55] <adamgreig> I'm sure we could reconstruct it between ourselves :P
[09:55] <adamgreig> we have a few photos of the talk, and some diagrams, what more could you need
[09:55] <Hix> I don't think it was recorded as the sound had to be turned on at the start, pretty sure he then left
[09:55] <adamgreig> hmm
[09:55] <adamgreig> that'd be a shame
[09:55] <fsphil> people where watching it online though
[09:56] <fsphil> I only seen the stream, didn't have audio on
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[09:56] <Hix> wasn't someone streaming from a tablet?
[09:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Guys, when you say 'the list' you do mean the Google Group don't you?
[09:56] <Hix> at the front
[09:56] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: yep
[09:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Cheers, just looking for Oliver's post
[09:57] <mfa298> Hix: the tablet right at the front in the morning was me recording stuff in case the BATC recording didn't work well.
[09:57] <mfa298> (with craags tablet)
[09:57] <mfa298> but neither of us were there for ed's talk as we were doing foundation stuff.
[09:58] <Hix> ahh, bum
[09:59] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve "[UKHAS] All-in-one off the shelf balloon and tracker kits?"
[09:59] <Hix> contained the convo
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[10:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Adrian
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[10:11] <Maxell> Launch is 12:00 pm UTC ish right?
[10:11] <adamgreig> yes
[10:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddlykid updated to 12:30 earlier if that's the one you're referring to
[10:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> due to predictions
[10:12] <adamgreig> went to 1300 BST eventually aiui
[10:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> I must've missed that - Cheers
[10:13] <adamgreig> but we all know how hab time works
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[10:15] <Maxell> I should code something that notifies me once a HAB is gone airborne
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[10:45] <daveake> <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddlykid updated to 12:30 earlier if that's the one you're referring to
[10:46] <daveake> cuddlykid?
[10:46] <daveake> :p
[10:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ooops LOL
[10:46] <adamgreig> haha
[10:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mild dyslexia....
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[10:48] <mfa298> and then in habhub: 10:19 < cuddykid> adamgreig: if it's not too much hassle, could you update time to 13:00 BST ?
[10:49] Nick change: KipK -> KipK_away
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[10:50] Action: mfa298 realises dave's comment was about spelling not launch time, oh well
[10:50] <daveake> :)
[10:52] <fsphil> you need a hug
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[10:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake: Ping
[10:59] <daveake> pung
[10:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Are you staying where you are to do more tests?
[11:00] <Hix> Cerveza testing
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[11:00] <daveake> Hix has it
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Er....
[11:01] <Hix> GODSPEED DAVEAKE
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL OK
[11:01] <Hix> oh ffs, sorry
[11:01] <daveake> Results so far inconclusive
[11:01] <daveake> More testing required
[11:01] <Hix> test further then
[11:01] <daveake> We're not expecting any final results
[11:02] <Hix> keep iterrating until you find convergence with a mattress
[11:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> So are you sticking around to do more or are you coming back to the UK?
[11:02] <Hix> food time, biab
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[11:03] <daveake> Back to Uk tomorrow
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
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[11:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Dave. Just reading on the register about Vulture 2 reveal
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[11:04] <daveake> Yeah they're setting that up now
[11:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Should be good. BATC window open
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[11:20] <craag> mfa298: Just picked up the mention, gps talk?
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[11:21] <mfa298> ed's talk at the conference
[11:21] <craag> ah yes
[11:21] <craag> will prod him now, sorry, lots going on with batc.
[11:21] <mfa298> although from what someone else said it sounds like it might not have been recorded
[11:22] <mattbrejza> out of interest with frames in html can you put website X in a frame in website X?
[11:23] <mfa298> recursive frames ?
[11:23] <mattbrejza> yea
[11:23] <adamgreig> iframes
[11:23] <mfa298> hmm, I suspect you can - although I've never tried
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[11:25] <mfa298> craag: looks like JGC's talk isn't on batc either.
[11:26] <craag> Ok I've sent emails
[11:26] <craag> Will let you know
[11:26] <craag> I have JGC on the tablet
[11:26] <craag> Haven't got round to sorting that out yet though.
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[11:31] <craag> mfa298: The GPS talk needs some editing, should be done this wkend.
[11:32] <adamgreig> oh sweet
[11:32] Action: mfa298 now wonders who was talking about it earlier
[11:33] <mfa298> looks like fsphil was one of the other interested people
[11:33] <fsphil> the gps thing? yea
[11:34] <fsphil> I had to watch the foundation exam so didn't get
[11:35] <M6GTG_nerdsville> thanks for making the sacrifice fsphil :-)
[11:35] <fsphil> not a problem :)
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[11:37] <mfa298> that's always the problem with having sessions running in parallel, you always want to attend two of them
[11:38] <Hix> mfa298 believe G0TDJ_Steve was asking about it
[11:38] <Hix> though probably wrong as usual
[11:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wassat?
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[11:39] <Hix> gps talk
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[11:39] <mfa298> I think a few people have asked about it over the last couple of weeks
[11:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Although I am interested, it wasn't me earlier, sorry
[11:40] <Hix> ed did say he was going to collate it all and put it up, though from the sounds of things work isn't going to lket that happen any time in the near...
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[11:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Guys
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[11:47] <Hix> mattbrejza re iframes <iframe width=800px; height =500px; src="http://www.w3schools.com">
[11:47] <Hix> <p>Your browser does not support iframes.</p>
[11:47] <Hix> </iframe>
[11:48] <Hix> http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_iframe
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[11:49] <mattbrejza> taht would have been useful to find yday...
[11:50] <Hix> the law of sod strikes again :)
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[11:50] <Hix> did you end up writing a shedload of code instead then?
[11:51] <mattbrejza> na just tried it locally
[11:51] <Hix> k
[11:51] <mattbrejza> this was for the purring cat thing
[11:51] <craag> :|
[11:52] <Hix> is that an alternative to burning man?
[11:52] <mattbrejza> na batc didnt remove html tags
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[11:52] <mattbrejza> not that i would have sent a recursive iframe
[11:52] <mattbrejza> knowing it would work would be amusing enough
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[11:53] Action: mfa298 wonders if that would have broken peoples browsers or batc first
[11:53] <adamgreig> mattbrejza: did the recursive iframe work locally?
[11:53] <mattbrejza> havnt tried
[11:54] <adamgreig> I think browsers do a thing
[11:54] <adamgreig> w3c sez
[11:54] <adamgreig> "Any frame that attempts to assign as its SRC a URL used by any of its ancestors is treated as if it has no SRC URL at all (basically a blank frame)."
[11:55] Action: mfa298 wonders how well that's tested
[11:55] <mattbrejza> yea youll get one copy but thats it
[11:55] <mattbrejza> just tried
[11:55] <adamgreig> just have to set it up well
[11:55] <adamgreig> iframe.php?stack=1
[11:55] <mfa298> url?child=++$child
[11:55] <Hix> quite a cool animation on Hawking http://goo.gl/nkqTVp
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[11:57] <cuddykid> launching in 15
[11:57] <gonzo_> I see HABE is up on the map
[11:57] <DL1SGP> Good Luck cuddykid
[11:57] <mattbrejza> mfa298: doing that appears to stop stacking after about 3 iframes
[11:57] <gonzo_> that could be a record in HAB time!
[11:58] <Hix> this moon video is pretty neat too http://goo.gl/fnXZJB
[11:59] <cuddykid> thanks - firing up the Pi now
[11:59] <mfa298> Hix: that's hawking video is good
[11:59] <Hix> i thought so, not just the content, but the actual animation was pretty neat too
[12:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Radio ready - Have a good one cuddykid
[12:00] <cuddykid> first bits of photo coming through now
[12:00] <Hix> I'm doing some LED light analysis with a tool called TracePRO, its like creating a virtual Jean Michelle-Jarre concert on the screen :)
[12:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Screenshot Hix ?
[12:07] <Hix> can't NDA agreements
[12:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> No worries
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[12:08] <Hix> G0TDJ_Steve http://www.lambdares.com/applications
[12:08] <junderwood> No sign of a flight doc for the SSDV payload
[12:09] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[12:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks Adrian :-)
[12:09] <Hix> oops http://www.lambdares.com/applications/light-pipe-design
[12:09] <Hix> car HUD rocks i tell thees
[12:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Facinating *raises eyebrow*
[12:10] <Hix> ha Chris made a good point on the mailing list
[12:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Agreed
[12:13] <Hix> sort of like this, but a totally integrated solution on the actual windscreen http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NJQobrQr6JI
[12:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Pretty cool!
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[12:14] <mattbrejza> also that answers yday's question of how they are tracking
[12:15] <Hix> I tried to convince them that wee need target acquisition and fire contrl in traffic, they didn't buy that plan
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[12:17] <cuddykid> up!
[12:17] <cuddykid> monster rig
[12:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done :D
[12:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Whats the callsign for the SSDV ?
[12:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> http://ssdv.habhub.org/HABE so HABE I expect
[12:19] <Mik_WD8MNV> where is starting point for HABE?
[12:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Near Worcester
[12:19] <Hix> Worcester normally
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Are maybe same call on both then ?
[12:19] <Hix> Mik_WD8MNV http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[12:20] <cuddykid> HABE ssdv, HABE tracker, MAN tracker
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right OK
[12:20] <cuddykid> only got one radio, so focusing on HABE tracker for now
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[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Time to wonder up to main radio, its listening but will need a tune I suspect!
[12:21] <Mik_WD8MNV> gotta zoom way in to seperate them
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Hoping the AFC will track the VFO's as well today
[12:22] <db_g6gzh> listening for MAN
[12:22] <Hix> weird GPS jittering again by the looks of things cuddykid
[12:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> Got some periodic local QRM on 434.075 here
[12:26] <chrisstubbs> I hear it on .199.40
[12:26] <Hix> As Tom Jones said. It's not unusual - mine is permanently noisy as hell on .075
[12:27] <db_g6gzh> not hearing MAN but HABE is strong on .198
[12:27] <Hix> blimey chrisstubbs where are you? Home?
[12:27] <chrisstubbs> Yeah
[12:27] <fsphil> no new image data
[12:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here yet on any freq but I think it needs to clear terrain as per usual
[12:27] <chrisstubbs> and just on the x50, woke up a bit late to set the yagi up
[12:27] <Hix> kin ell, horizon showing as only Stratford so far
[12:27] <fsphil> ah here we go
[12:28] <fsphil> M0JCU is decoding
[12:28] <fsphil> what looks like grass
[12:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> What's the upload URL for the pics?
[12:28] <chrisstubbs> close to decodes
[12:28] <Hix> ah oops refresh horizon a bit bigger
[12:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ah got it
[12:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> SSDV is on 434.072
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://habitat.habhub.org
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[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry for ssdv http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/data.php
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[12:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> seems to be working
[12:29] <chrisstubbs> Decode :)
[12:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done Chris
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[12:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddykid: Whats your expected Max Alt?
[12:35] <M6GTG_nerdsville> what are RTTY settings for the SSTV?
[12:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Andy, are you using FLDIGI?
[12:36] <M6GTG_nerdsville> yes, but not in the payload list
[12:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, it's the top one, Go HABE 10
[12:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> If you look at experimental payloads, there is one there for HABE SSDV
[12:37] <M6GTG_nerdsville> k.. thxs
[12:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> RTTY 300 baud, 8n1, 490 custom shift and 430 bandwidth
[12:38] <Maxell> http://ssdv.habhub.org/HABE \o/
[12:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you a dial freq. ?
[12:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> SSDV 434.072.71
[12:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK see it wasn't sure as its in qrm
[12:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here yet sadly...
[12:39] <junderwood_M0JCU> it looks like QRM :)
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[12:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> There must be an easier way to transmit a picture of a piece of turf
[12:42] <mfa298> I think the ssdv frequency is drifting a reasonable amount
[12:45] <cuddykid> G0TDJ_Steve: separation at 27km, main rig should go onto around 30.5/31km
[12:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool, cheers
[12:45] <cuddykid> thanks for tracking everyone - just finishing packing up then heading out
[12:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> I can just see HABE on the waterfall. Needs a little more height
[12:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good shot coming down on the SSDV
[12:47] <KevWal> My first time decoding 2 payloads, simultaneously, from one SDR :) http://i.imgur.com/hrPFtvC.jpg
[12:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Neat :-)
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[12:48] <KevWal> If only Man was alive, I could probably do 3...
[12:49] <M6GTG_nerdsville> first packet of SSTV ;-)
[12:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool Andy
[12:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Getting partials form HABE
[12:50] <M6GTG_nerdsville> got above the local hill signal suddenly got stronger
[12:51] <S_Mark> wheres MAN?
[12:51] <S_Mark> dead?
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[12:52] <M6GTG_nerdsville> hope it doesn't drift too much, got to leave computer for an hour :-(
[12:52] <cuddykid> can someone adjust the burst alt for HABE to 31km?
[12:53] <cuddykid> also, Man should separate at 27km, but I guess we'll only know visually!
[12:53] <WillDWork> what's the baud for the ssdv?
[12:53] <cuddykid> Man has a stub antenna so that might be reason for weak signal?
[12:53] <cuddykid> WillDWork: 600
[12:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Really? 600?
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> 300 Baud I'm sure its just started decooing
[12:55] <M6GTG_nerdsville> 300/425 8 bit - no parity - 1 stop bit, got filters at 300
[12:55] <eroomde> M6GTG_nerdsville, congrats :)
[12:55] <eroomde> shiny
[12:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Andy
[12:56] <S_Mark> what if no one picks up MAN before 27k? lost?
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yea and SDR-Radio is now tracking the freq.!
[12:57] <fsphil> oh nice pics
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing visible for $$MAN is anybody hearing it ?
[12:58] <M6GTG_nerdsville> back to earth.. off to get haircut and lunch all the best back in an hour or so
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[12:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here Geoff - +/- 10k
[12:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Likewise :-(
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[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shame the ony fre. which doesn't have a load of QRM on it :-(
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[13:04] <Ugi_> It's a shame that MAN is not coming through, but it's interesting to see how the predicted trajectory from the starting point is comparing to the actual flight.
[13:04] <KevWal> Geoff-G8DHE: you got the tracking working?
[13:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup, its working on one VFO, but rather than just the VFo-A its adjusting the selected VFO so a bit more work yet!
[13:05] <KevWal> Geoff-G8DHE: glad it is working for a real flight - im playing about with rx'ing both payloads on one radio this flight, not going to confuse it with trying to get fldigi to tune sdr-radio as well :)
[13:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Used the K2.xml rig definition as a starter, and am adjusting it.
[13:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> But yes tracking on VFO nicely set the limits at +/-40Hz and its following nicely
[13:07] <KevWal> cool - publish it when your happy with it? Would be great to get 2 versions, one for each VFO, so can use it with 2 copies of dl-fldigi simultaneously :)
[13:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Finally, got image packet
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's the inttention, thought it was working as I had only played with "FA" only realised that its actually adjusting which ever is selected which might be a bug in SDR-Radio
[13:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> I checked .300 +/- 10k again for MAN - No show
[13:09] <KevWal> mmm, wonder if sdr-radio will liten 2 two different serial ports - otherwise wont be able to have 2 copies of fl-digi talking to it...
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that is the next thing to tackle
[13:10] <KevWal> I have just switched from my good DAB SDR dongle to the funcube - definatley a better reception, noticably better on the SSDV - getting every packet, where as was only 50%
[13:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> at the moment SDR-Radio can have multipile ports selected but not sure what the effect is
[13:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Great images
[13:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Gonna check for MAN during next image
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Argh need more screens for all the windows..
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[13:14] <Maxell> PEW PEW http://i.imgur.com/aRE89DR.png
[13:14] <Maxell> RevSpace back in action PE2G
[13:14] <Maxell> Decoded image packet. Callsign: HABE, Image ID: 06, Resolution: 432x240, Packet ID: 1
[13:14] <Maxell> omg omg omg 300 baud packets working
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[13:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool Maxell :D
[13:15] <Hix> Maxell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6YE4PCRNwc&feature=player_detailpage
[13:15] <Maxell> this is a first I think
[13:15] <PE2G> Maxell: Very nice :)
[13:15] <PE2G> Massive QRM here :(
[13:16] <Maxell> >:)
[13:16] <Maxell> horay for not so much QRM
[13:16] <Babs__> Hix - why is Barney McGrew the only one who doesn't react in the roll call?
[13:17] Nick change: WillTablet -> WillDover
[13:17] <WillDover> Just to annoy people when they tab complete
[13:18] <Hix> he'd probably been driving his black cab all night Babs__
[13:18] <Hix> in between whining about his pension
[13:18] <Babs__> moonlighting firemen. i can't believe how much they moan.
[13:18] <Babs__> gimbal is taking shape nicely
[13:18] <Babs__> well, in the bowels of my computer
[13:18] <Hix> its supposed to be static ;p
[13:18] <Maxell> Hix: great tune
[13:19] <Hix> Babs__ is that where memory dumps go
[13:19] <Hix> Maxell :)
[13:20] <Babs__> its truss tastic
[13:20] <Hix> trussed you
[13:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still no sign of MAN
[13:20] <Babs__> you can truss me
[13:21] <Babs__> actually that sounds really dodgy
[13:21] <Hix> rather not old chap
[13:21] <Hix> you'd be better off asking Miley for that sort of shennagins
[13:22] <Hix> great spelling there
[13:22] <Maxell> hmm, too bad I won't be able to open a third VFO
[13:22] <Maxell> For $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MAN
[13:22] <Maxell> :P
[13:22] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/Bbo4X0U.png yep I never tought it was possible
[13:22] <PE2G> HABE at 561 km, elev -0.4 with slow, deep fading
[13:23] <Babs__> HABE image 2 is excellent
[13:24] Action: G0TDJ_Steve Wishes he had a second Rx
[13:25] <WillDover> Hi people
[13:25] <martinus> Hello
[13:25] <WillDover> Half day :-)
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Get yourself a Dongle G0TDJ_Steve, then you can have 6 at once ;-)
[13:26] <mattbrejza> when you get to uni a half day is the equivelent of a full day
[13:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> I have one, just haven't used it for HAB yet
[13:26] <mattbrejza> 4 lectures on one day? outragous
[13:26] <WillDover> How?
[13:26] <WillDover> Heh
[13:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> What !
[13:27] <mattbrejza> anything more than 3 hours is ott :P
[13:27] <gonzo_> what are the settings for ssdv btw?
[13:27] <WillDover> We had one period followed by break followed by mass followed by lunch followed by home at 1:30
[13:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Does anyone know if the callsigns and other info get embedded in the images EXIF data?
[13:27] <Hix> Geoff-G8DHE does that stand for any dongle or just the FCD
[13:27] <WillDover> In that time, we'd have had 5 periods
[13:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> gonzo_: FLDigi has the settings in the test payload list
[13:28] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: the live images? nope
[13:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Shame...
[13:28] <fsphil> G0TDJ_Steve: though that's not a bad idea
[13:28] <mattbrejza> history students have it even easier
[13:28] <mattbrejza> like 4 things a week
[13:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Should be quite straightforward
[13:28] <WillDover> I need to do something useful with the extra time I have
[13:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> WillDover: Search for MAN
[13:28] <WillDover> People with friends go to mcdonalds or town
[13:28] <fsphil> I've been thinking about having the ssdv page query habitat or spacenear for the position at the start of an image
[13:28] <mfa298> Hix: any dongle supported by sdr-radio v2
[13:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: That could also be embedded
[13:29] <WillDover> But I have no friends so I can't
[13:29] <fsphil> indeed
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> SSDV 300B, 460Hz shift 8N1 with bandwidth 300+Hz
[13:29] <martinus> I'm guessing El Reg's glider and spaceplane launches are atypical of those high-altitude balloons?
[13:29] <WillDover> MAN supplies trucks, buses, diesel engines and turbomachinery as well as turnkey power plants. MAN's divisions hold leading positions in their respective ...
[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Atypical ? Why look pretty much normal
[13:29] <Hix> oh, cool - so I can use my cheapie jobbie for multiples. problem is how to output the audio from them ti dl-fldigi
[13:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> MAN is a payload that cuddykid has launched
[13:30] <mfa298> virtual audio cable or similar
[13:30] <Hix> multiple virtual audio leads?
[13:30] <WillDover> A man is an adult human male. Like most other male mammals, a man's genome inherits an X chromosome from his mother and a Y chromosome from his father ...
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite I have 6 setup for the 6 SDR-Radio VFO's machine gets busy ;-)
[13:30] <mfa298> sdr-radio v2 has a nice easy dropdown list per vfo of where to send the audio
[13:31] <Maxell> Yeah RevSpace has SDR-Console too, two VFOs currently
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[13:31] <Maxell> One goes to stereo mix, one to VBcable
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[13:31] <mfa298> Maxell: in the options you can enable up to 6 (might need a restart)
[13:31] <Maxell> Whats virtual cable to you use?
[13:32] <mfa298> I'm using virtual audio cable
[13:32] <Maxell> mfa298: yeah, but I'm not sure how to add another virtual cable
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Virtual Audio Cable - need to pay but well worth it
[13:32] <Hix> I use http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cable/ as its the only one i got working
[13:33] <Maxell> http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm ?
[13:33] Action: mfa298 looks at cpu usage on this machine - I probably should have turned off Aero in windows
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[13:33] <martinus> Geoff: All of the other balloon launches I've read about have not included a glider or plane release.
[13:34] <martinus> Not that that's a large sample.
[13:34] <WillDover> My PC can handle aero.
[13:34] <WillDover> I thought most can
[13:34] <gonzo_> just trying to get two chan feeds into fldigi. Is it poss to set it to acceopt only one chan of a stereo pair? (so I can have two instances, one on lh and one on rh chans?)
[13:34] <ibanezmatt13> I'm trying to order a Hakko fx888. They sell them on Sparkfun and it comes to £103.50 including delivery. I was wondering if I could get it elsewhere but I can't see anything
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> This current one is releasing a toy Man, Daveake releases Babbage plus several others
[13:34] <Hix> oh good point mfa298 last time i tracked sdr# was eating ~65% on one channel
[13:34] <Upu> sounds a good price
[13:34] <Upu> dx.com sell them too
[13:34] <fsphil> best price I've seen
[13:34] <WillDover> Oh hi ibanezmatt13, you at college?
[13:35] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13, ensure you get a 240V one!
[13:35] <ibanezmatt13> No, finished early
[13:35] <Upu> however
[13:35] <Maxell> gonzo_: start two dl-fldigis
[13:35] <mfa298> the issue I found with aero is the amount of cpu it consumes trying to keep thumbnails updated of all the moving waterfalls
[13:35] <Upu> check they work @ 240V
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[13:35] <WillDover> ibanezmatt13 you know what the weird thing is?
[13:35] <Upu> http://dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505
[13:35] <WillDover> I did too
[13:35] <martinus> ibanez: That was about the price I imported mine for.
[13:35] <Upu> but I'd get it from Sparkfun
[13:35] <Hix> http://www.dancap.co.uk/soldering/fx888pricelist.htm
[13:35] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thank you
[13:35] <mfa298> it was something like 20% of the cpu on my netbook (meaning sdr wasn't useable) - turn off aero and netbook can now do sdr and dl-fldigi
[13:35] <Mik_WD8MNV> try adafruit.com?
[13:35] <Maxell> PE2G: also decoding 300 baud packets?!
[13:36] <gonzo_> Maxell, I need to hget each instance to see a different feed from the same audio chan. But cannot find a way
[13:36] Nick change: KipK_away -> KipK
[13:36] <martinus> It's a pretty excellent soldering station, very much worth the investment IMHO
[13:36] <WillDover> ibanezmatt13 do you not have lessons friday afternoon?
[13:36] <ibanezmatt13> no
[13:36] <Maxell> gonzo_: ah, you are doing left and right split. Not sure if dlfldigi supports that :P
[13:36] <WillDover> I had a half day
[13:36] <PE2G> Maxell: decoding 300bd only, other freq is unusable
[13:36] <WillDover> Had to sit through a Catholic mass
[13:37] <Hix> ibanezmatt13 http://dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505?utm_source=GoogleShoppingUK&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=126505&utm_campaign=422&tc=GBP&gclid=CJv7hZGM2rkCFXLItAodszwAfA
[13:37] <eroomde> martinus, yes atypical
[13:37] <ibanezmatt13> that says 220v Hix
[13:37] <chrisstubbs> Thats what you want
[13:37] <WillDover> Is 40w going to be enough for ublox soldering?
[13:37] <Mik_WD8MNV> http://www.adafruit.com/products/303
[13:37] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[13:37] <mfa298> hmm, ssddv gone to carrier only
[13:37] <gonzo_> Maxell, yep that's the prob. Looks like I disturned some wiring on the system last nioght. So having to use virtual audio cable off spectravue
[13:37] <eroomde> WillDover, yes plenty
[13:37] <WillDover> And smt components?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> OOw HABE gone to carrier
[13:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Whats going on with SSDV?
[13:37] <WillDover> Ah OK.
[13:37] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oops. All gone quiet on SSDV
[13:38] <martinus> Thanks eroomde.
[13:38] <WillDover> Why do you need 70w then?
[13:38] <eroomde> martinus, fun, though
[13:38] <gonzo_> thoght it would be nice to try and get the two chans decioding
[13:38] <Upu> plumbing
[13:38] <eroomde> WillDover, bigger things
[13:38] <WillDover> Like?
[13:38] <eroomde> smd work is at the lower end of elecxtronics power requirements
[13:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> right at the end of an image
[13:38] <eroomde> like high power electrical stuff
[13:38] <Hix> SMA end launches ibanezmatt13
[13:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> preparing for release?
[13:38] <eroomde> big things with chunky terminals like high current connectors
[13:38] <WillDover> So what does matt need them for?
[13:38] <Mik_WD8MNV> oops... you need 240V
[13:38] <Hix> 220v is UK usable no?
[13:38] <mattbrejza> soldering antennas too
[13:38] <eroomde> cable assemblies
[13:39] <Upu> 220 is fine for uk
[13:39] <eroomde> soldering things onto copper glad board which is very effective at wicking heat away
[13:39] <gonzo_> a fine blow torch is useful
[13:39] <Upu> UK voltage isn't 240 anyway
[13:39] <Hix> figured it would be fine , it fluctuates quite a bit iirc
[13:39] <martinus> Yeah, there's a relatively wide tolerance of voltage range.
[13:39] <mfa298> officially I think UK is supposed to be 220V to match europe but with large tolerances allowing 240 to be more normal
[13:39] <Hix> ibanezmatt13 ^^^
[13:39] <ibanezmatt13> thanks Hix
[13:39] <mattbrejza> mfa298: 230 to match EU
[13:40] <Maxell> PE2G: this is your yagi right? http://www.ebay.com/itm/250826224761
[13:40] <martinus> Most consumer electronics will handle up to 260
[13:40] <Maxell> How does it survive weather?!
[13:40] <WillDover> I'm panicking, I need to do something productive to do before the time I'd nornally come home
[13:40] <mfa298> mattbrejza: maybe, I'd thought it was 220 - but this is all from memory
[13:40] <mattbrejza> its something like 230V +10%,-3%
[13:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cutdown Fired!
[13:40] <eroomde> WillDover, so get off IRC then
[13:40] <gonzo_> bringing things up to temp with a hotplate, the using a 50W iron to get the localised melt, good for things that sink well
[13:40] <Maxell> heck, it's 235 volts all the way here
[13:40] <Maxell> up to spec!
[13:41] <martinus> :)
[13:41] <PE2G> Maxell: Yep, that's it. I usuallly take it in after an rx session
[13:41] <mfa298> I think the tolerances were something odd like -x%/+2x% (so something like -5% and +10% - but I can't remember the numbers)
[13:41] <WillDover> Well what is there to do aside from hacking my wifi and playing bf3 with germans eroomde?
[13:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> SSDV dead :(
[13:41] <chrisstubbs> Has nobody picked MAN up yet?
[13:41] <PE2G> Maxell: But it has been out in the rain, nu rust whatsoever
[13:41] <Maxell> PE2G: ah, you live top floor :P
[13:41] <Maxell> thats cheating
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> No sign of MAN - been checking periodically
[13:41] <KevWal> no sign of MAN :(
[13:41] <Maxell> and easy for DIY antennas
[13:42] <WillDover> Is the for realz lohan going up sometime soon?
[13:42] <gonzo_> between 247 and 252V at home today
[13:42] <Hix> speaking of MAN http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MOmZimH00oo
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lots of flutter on HABE
[13:43] <WillDover> eroomde I guess I'll just play bf3 with germans :-(
[13:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still rising though Geoff-G8DHE
[13:43] <eroomde> i'm sure you can think of things to do other than that
[13:43] <martinus> A few of you guys mentioned the possibility of tracking the ISS transmissions (I'm assuming they're not transmitted in the clear). How involved would that be? I've been able to track it to an exten twith my telescope mount but the idea of picking up transmissions is rather cool.
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[13:43] <eroomde> and thus don't have to waste other people's time asking on irc
[13:44] <eroomde> martinus, jcoxon has been playing with that. normal amateur radio equipment should easily pick up the transmission from it in the amateur bands
[13:44] <eroomde> or a USB dongle
[13:45] <mfa298> I can't hear MAN at all, nice strong carrier from the SSDV and nice strong signal from HABE
[13:45] <Hix> man has a stubby antenna
[13:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Almost at 30
[13:46] <Maxell> hmm, Cutdown Fired: 1
[13:46] <Maxell> wow HABE signal all over the place
[13:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cutdown fired about 2mins ago
[13:46] <Maxell> like a drunken pirate on crack
[13:46] <eroomde> ?
[13:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Arrrrr - Oh sorry, that was yesterday
[13:47] <mfa298> shame the ssdv has failed or we'de see if MAN had really be released
[13:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Last check for MAN before it comes down...
[13:47] <junderwood_M0JCU> I can see a faint signal which could be MAN on 434.301
[13:47] <junderwood_M0JCU> two tones about 470 apart
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[13:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here junderwood_M0JCU
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[13:48] <mfa298> we need Leo looks like these could come down almost on top of him
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[13:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm only 30 miles away and have a Yagi pointed directly at it
[13:49] <chrisstubbs> Could be a case of RP-SMA if cuddykid had it on the ground
[13:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> junderwood_M0JCU: You may save the day. If you can track it, cuddykid can possibly locate it once down
[13:50] <chrisstubbs> though I would be surprised if you got anything from a disconnected RP-SMA plug at 30 miles
[13:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> I wouldn't bet on it
[13:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm not even close to a decode at the moment
[13:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> BATC Video stream for unveiling of Vulture 2 is up: http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=1153
[13:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Complete with audio
[13:51] <mfa298> I can see two faint lines around there although the shift between them keeps changing
[13:53] <martinus> eroomde: That's pretty remarkable in a sense. Even working in the field I do I often overestimate the availability of technology needed for many tasks. :D
[13:53] <martinus> sorry, overestimate the requirement
[13:54] <eroomde> yeah
[13:54] <eroomde> jcoxon wants to relay a message from a balloon via the ISS
[13:54] <eroomde> the technical merits of this are debateable. but it would be very cool
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[13:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> BURST
[13:55] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf07sgltyu2wg7e/NORB_v3_Closeup.png Which crystal do I need to buy for that?
[13:55] <eroomde> the bottom thing ibanezmatt13 ?
[13:55] <martinus> I was amazed by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1DOo0KBojs&feature=youtu.be
[13:55] <Upu> HC49
[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> yes eroomde
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[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> thanks Upu
[13:56] <eroomde> what upu said
[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[13:56] <eroomde> that's the standard package
[13:56] <eroomde> you just find the particular freq you want
[13:56] <martinus> Counting meteors via FM scatter.
[13:56] <chrisstubbs> SMD not thru hole, they do both
[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> at 3v3, it's 8Mhz isn't it?
[13:56] <eroomde> and get one rated for industrial temperature ranges
[13:56] <eroomde> i.e. down to -40 instead of 0
[13:56] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[13:57] <eroomde> it's not voltage dependant
[13:57] <eroomde> to a first order
[13:57] <Upu> don't bother Matt
[13:57] <Upu> I have some
[13:57] <ibanezmatt13> oh, thanks Upu
[13:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$MANV13:29,91C,W6{6V
[13:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done junderwood_M0JCU Keep it up
[13:57] <ibanezmatt13> I'm searching for all the caps and resistors too :/ It turns out that I'm going to have thousands of SMD components just lying there unused. I only need one of each
[13:58] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, you can get SMD component sample books
[13:58] <chrisstubbs> with 20 or so of each valuer
[13:58] <ibanezmatt13> ah right
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[13:58] <Upu> what frequency junderwood_M0JCU ?
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[13:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.301
[13:59] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: 0805 or 0603?
[13:59] <ibanezmatt13> 0603
[13:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> 434.300 I have a VERY weak signal
[13:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Drifting down fast
[13:59] <Upu> no antenna ? :)
[13:59] <Maxell> :P
[13:59] <Upu> 250 shift ?
[13:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> Not drifting at all here
[13:59] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, http://ebay.eu/16kM2sl is what I use
[13:59] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RK3-25-Value-0603-SMD-Resistor-kit-5-50Pcs-Total-1250-Pcs-/221215199962?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33817412da
[13:59] <mattbrejza> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-0603-SMD-SMT-Resistor-Assortment-Kit-170-value-each-25pcs-assorted-pack-/200965416730?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eca78e71a
[13:59] <mattbrejza> etc
[13:59] <martinus> ibanezmatt13: Do you know anyone else who needs components for a group buy?
[14:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Maybe I have something else
[14:00] <ibanezmatt13> nobody martinus :)
[14:00] <ibanezmatt13> thanks chrisstubbs, mattbrejza
[14:00] <chrisstubbs> matts option looks cheaper
[14:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm getting close to getting readable text using a very narrow filter on the radio
[14:00] <Upu> nothing here
[14:00] <mattbrejza> search 0603 {resistor|capitor} kit
[14:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$$$$MAN,3514:003,52.0 !7251l#1.29"X52,964,13,1B16
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[14:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Any fix will help cuddykid find it I would imagine junderwood_M0JCU
[14:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> Indeed. Been there. Done that :)
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[14:04] <Maxell> Double the chat-action
[14:04] <gonzo_> should not need to use narrow radio filters. the docode should be doing the filtering
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh l,ike the unveiling!
[14:04] <gonzo_> and winding the fldigi filter bandwidth down to close to the rate shoudl help
[14:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> Yes!
[14:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Got a decode junderwood_M0JCU ?
[14:05] <martinus> Starting with a smash. :D
[14:05] <junderwood_M0JCU> suddenly decoding nicely
[14:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good man
[14:06] <KevWal> well done :)
[14:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> deep nulls have disappeared
[14:06] <KevWal> I can hear it. but no decodes..
[14:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still 301 junderwood_M0JCU ?
[14:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.301
[14:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> tones at 1250 and 1700
[14:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still nothing at all here
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[14:08] <Hix> LeoBodnar HABE coming down near you
[14:08] <Hix> B13 going up this afternoon?
[14:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> junderwood_M0JCU: Still OK?
[14:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> good decodes atm
[14:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool
[14:11] <Maxell> sick
[14:13] <M6GTG_nerdsville> back from lunch, ssdv died just had single tone?
[14:13] <KevWal> $$$$MAYXyn14Q2{S3,P05;4,-23q -< closest I have!
[14:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> Loosing HANE
[14:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> HABE even
[14:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> MAN is going to beat HABE to the deck
[14:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> it will be close
[14:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Does anyone know what cuddykid used for tracker? Self-built? Pi?
[14:20] <chrisstubbs> I think his HABE PCB is rfm22b
[14:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[14:21] <chrisstubbs> http://habe.acudworth.co.uk/blog/?p=155
[14:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Chris
[14:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Compact boards
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[14:23] <Mik_WD8MNV> those are nice... what's the CPU?
[14:24] <chrisstubbs> atmega 328p i think
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[14:30] <ibanezmatt13> it looks like Dancap electronics is the place to get the Hakko in the UK I think
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> KevWal, Just been playing with the rigCAT controls, yes you can open up multipile serial ports in SDR-Radio
[14:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Man gone.
[14:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> Last string was
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> then each dl-fldigi talks on the matching serial port and they will control fine.
[14:30] <KevWal> cool Geoff-G8DHE
[14:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> $$MAN,432,14829:37,52.0497200,-1.0154341,472,14,3*9337
[14:31] <chrisstubbs> Nice work junderwood_M0JCU
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Except for the bug that makes the current selected VFO also the selected channel for control :-(
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[14:32] <chrisstubbs> If hes lucky that should be within radio range on the ground
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[14:33] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.dancap.co.uk/soldering/fx888ddigitalpricelist.htm from here, which tips should I look at for SMD soldering?
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[14:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done John
[14:35] <Ugi_> There's an awful lot of woods around where HABE & MAN are landing!
[14:35] Action: DL1SGP hopes MAN will be allrighty
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[14:37] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: 2nd and 3rd from top http://www.robotshop.com/elenco-soldering-iron-tip-package-tipk-1.html
[14:37] <mattbrejza> look most usefl
[14:37] <mattbrejza> dont know about your list though
[14:37] <mattbrejza> 2nd from bottom looks nice too actually
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[14:37] <ibanezmatt13> thanks mattbrejza
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[14:40] <DL1SGP> MAN seems to be up for an entertaining point landing on Akely Lower School School Yard :)
[14:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is cuddykid on his own?
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[14:43] <mattbrejza> hmm do we have a pond landing?
[14:43] <mattbrejza> i reckon its cleared the pond tbh
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[14:47] <Ugi_> last track was 350m up - must have cleared the 50m over the pond & be in that field, I'd reckon
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[14:50] <mattbrejza> o wow the google street view car has been round silverstone
[14:51] <Ugi_> lap time?
[14:51] <mammut> What is B-13? It's at the small business park at Silverstone
[14:51] <mammut> Haha, slow, I expect
[14:51] <mammut> You get a bit of body roll in a normal car if you rag it around Silverstone
[14:52] <Ugi_> do we know the streetview frame-rate? Could calculate lap time
[14:52] <Ugi_> mammut: I expect you might
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> KevWal, I've reported the multi vfo selection problem on the SDR-Radio discussion group so will see what comes of it ...
[14:52] <mattbrejza> well it came 2nd to a nissan
[14:52] Action: mammut has never taken a rental around Silverstone when he wasn't supposed to
[14:53] <eroomde> B13 at silverstone?
[14:53] <KevWal> Geoff-G8DHE: ta
[14:53] <eroomde> is this leo's usual style of flight announcement?
[14:53] <eroomde> where the flight announces itself on spacenear
[14:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddykid HAS got a receiver with him....hasn't he?
[14:53] Action: Geoff-G8DHE Puts Rx on 434.500 listeining for DomEX16 mode ....
[14:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[14:54] <eroomde> mammut, B13 could well be a balloon called B13
[14:54] <eroomde> the successor to B11 and B12 which got the longer flight records
[14:54] <eroomde> at nearly 2 weeks
[14:54] <mammut> Ah, OK. I think that's the memorabilia store :P
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[14:55] <Ugi_> LeoBodnar doesn't really need to announce his flights - they are up for so long everyone finds out about them after a while anyway!
[14:55] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:56] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Can the payloads do mesh networking?
[14:56] <Ugi_> SpeedEvil: now that's a plan!
[14:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> We could send a cluster up
[14:57] <Mik_WD8MNV> isn't Google working on balloon based mesh and wifi?
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: You could setup new comms nodes by posting a payload to someone who would just hook it on a locally bought balloon.
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> Mik_WD8MNV: I did the numbers. For maybe 20K - you could put up a global mesh
[14:57] <SpeedEvil> You'd ideally want to find some sort of balloon that diddn't deflate rapidly of course.
[14:58] <Ugi_> I wonder how long you could keep the mesh coverage reasonably full before they drift into clusters
[14:58] <gonzo_> and wait months for notams
[14:58] <Ugi_> assuming the baloons last forever (which is a fair approximation to LeoBodnar's flights) then you'd probably still need to top up in the gaps now & again
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[14:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> cuddyid chase moving
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: i'm unsure that they would drift into clusters.
[14:59] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: That would sort-of-assume that the atmosphere drifts into clusters.
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[15:00] <SpeedEvil> Windshear will move them to some degree in a correlated manner - but I'd think mixing would be pretty good.
[15:00] <gonzo_> wonder if he's on foot?
[15:01] <SpeedEvil> The above estimate was assuming moderate overlaps - so you are very likely to get some route - even though perhaps not an optimal straight-line.
[15:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> I would imagine so gonzo_
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> KevWal, I've put my rigCAT file up here if you want to try it http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/sdr_test_VFO_A.xml
[15:02] <Ugi_> SpeedEvil: I'm not sure anything would truely follow the wind, especially since the balloons are constrained in hight in a way that molecules in the air are not.
[15:02] <mfa298> meshed balloons up in the sky, is this a new definition of Cloud computing.
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: I'm not quite saying they follow the wind.
[15:02] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: I'm saying that arguing that they clump implies rather odd physics to me.
[15:03] <Ugi_> but to assume that they don't clump because air doesn't clump does rather assume that they behave like air.
[15:03] <Ugi_> however, I have not evidence that they would
[15:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Gotta go guys - BBL Hope cuddykid is successful
[15:04] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[15:04] <Ugi_> it's just that entropic effects in general tend to disturb a beautifully uniform array and push it towards a much less ordered random spacing
[15:05] <adamgreig> but that doesn't imply clustering either
[15:05] <adamgreig> just more annoying
[15:05] <adamgreig> need more balloons for a reliable coverage
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[15:06] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: I'm very much not assuming a uniform array - but a random spacing
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> On wolfram alpha
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> 2m^2* 10^-6m * density of aluminium
[15:06] <SpeedEvil> works
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[15:07] <SpeedEvil> 'area of a 2m diameter sphere' works
[15:07] <Rebounder> SpeedEvil: just install olsr, aodv or such are you are meshing :)
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> how do I do 'area of a 2m diameter sphere * 10^-6m * density of aluminium
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> Brackets don't seem to work
[15:11] <Ugi_> SpeedEvil: well, if it works for a random spacing then maybe it could ineed work. I'd be amazed if 20K of balloons would achieve that, but then I'm still amazed that we can receive 10mW of radio transmission 300km away!
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[15:13] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: I was assuming modest improvements IIRC - the balloons to 15km, hydrogen, and a cost reduced payload by volume production - about a thousand
[15:13] <tweetBot> @daveake: What do you get when you combine a #RaspberryPi and a RockBLOCK Iridium device and a pyro? http://t.co/C4Kp5ML3lS #UKHAS
[15:14] <Ugi_> SpeedEvil: doesn't sound beyond the realms of feasability.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Ugi_: It could be made truly awesome if you could wokr out a cheapish - say 50 quid - way to tansmit between balloons at a high rate.
[15:16] <SpeedEvil> Say 1mbps.
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[15:18] <Smrtz> Hey, I'm looking at different tethers, can you guys give me some recommendations please?
[15:18] <mammut> You mean some sort of directional communication?
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> mammut: something like that - as 1mbps @700km seems impractical
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: tethers for what?
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: Balloons? String works.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Polypropylene string.
[15:19] <mammut> It is completely impractical :P
[15:19] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I'm doing a tethered balloon, I need about 3000 feet.
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: fishing line
[15:19] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: also - what altitude?
[15:19] <adamgreig> don't tether is my recommendation
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: and what size of balloon.
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> line has a _lot_ of drag
[15:20] <Smrtz> adamgreig: I know the wind will keep it low, but it's for a school project.
[15:20] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: 3000ft.
[15:20] <adamgreig> school projects have to obey physics too
[15:20] <adamgreig> 3000ft altitude?!?!
[15:20] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: just normal fishing line?
[15:20] <adamgreig> i predict difficulties
[15:20] <SpeedEvil> 1000m - for any practical size of balloon - in any sort of wind at all (not static) is going to be really really questionable.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Even 1m/s of wind will cause a very significant lean.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> As in >45 degrees
[15:21] <Smrtz> I'll be using one of these: http://www.allsopp.co.uk/images/comp_img/11-Cu-metre-Skyhook-Helikite-with-Hood-Gyro-Camera.jpg
[15:21] <adamgreig> that changes things somewhat
[15:21] <Smrtz> designed to be stable in winds up to 30Mph.
[15:21] <adamgreig> but I would ask allsopp for advice on tether lines in that case
[15:21] <Smrtz> adamgreig: good idea, thanks.
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[15:22] <adamgreig> less insane when it's an aerostat of some description rather than a straight balloon
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[15:22] <SpeedEvil> Quite - especially when powered
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> i was even looking into powering solutions.
[15:23] <eroomde> they're not powered i don;t think
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Which diddn't end up looking insane.
[15:23] <Smrtz> They're not powered.
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:23] <Smrtz> apart from the camera/sensors/whatever.
[15:23] <Babs__> daveake - that is so cool. you need a clear flip button cover a la War Games on your control panel for maximum awesomeness.
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[15:24] <Smrtz> would it be lighter to just use a battery, or run power down the tether?
[15:24] <daveake> Yeah did think of that
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: Running power down the tether is not practical with most cables
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: batteries will get you 200wh/kg
[15:24] <daveake> In the end I bought bits that only needed round holes and didn't cost much :)
[15:24] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I could use cat5 for the signal for the camera, sensors, and power up.
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: No you couldn't.
[15:25] <Smrtz> 4 pairs should be enough.
[15:25] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: why not?
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Weight
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> 11 cubic meters will lift on the order of 15kg
[15:25] <Smrtz> Ahh, any other ideas, other than a string teather?
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> how much power do you need?
[15:25] <Smrtz> well, that was just a random google image, I'll be using 2.0 cubic meters.
[15:26] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: that's still undecided. enough for a camera, geostabalized gimble, and transmitter.
[15:26] <Babs__> the signal got there pretty quickly huh? Did you have any idea it would come through that quickly?
[15:26] <Babs__> i thought they only polled for new messages every 5 mins or so
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: you need to wok otu the numbers.
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: then you can work out if your proposed balloon is sane
[15:27] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I guess I need to decide on the camera, gimble, and transmitter before I pick the envelope.
[15:27] <Smrtz> I just started there since I knew it would be the hardest...
[15:27] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: Probably, yes.
[15:27] <Smrtz> thanks for the help.
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[15:28] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_line
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> I forget - who was it that did a tethered balloonhere.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> Was it ed?
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: the alternative to one line is to use 3, at the corners of a large triangle.
[15:30] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I think so, I talked to him about it a while ago, like, a few weeks.
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: if the lines ascend at - say - 45 degrees - then the balloon will be stableish in winds up to about half its ascent velocity
[15:30] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I was thinking about that, but I'm hoping to put this all on a trailer, and then have it easy to launch.
[15:30] <SpeedEvil> - assuming a spherical balloon
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[15:31] <SpeedEvil> You can do somewhat better with a cigar shape
[15:31] Action: SpeedEvil looks at the roll of polythene next to him.
[15:31] <Smrtz> How would you seal it?
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: Staples.
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> more seriously - heat seal.
[15:32] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: that, that's not right.
[15:32] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: there we go, haha.
[15:33] <Smrtz> What kind of polythene?
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> Layflat tubing - about 1.5m*400m.
[15:33] <Smrtz> Hmm, sounds like a good idea.
[15:33] <Smrtz> I'll be right back, smoking time.
[15:33] <SpeedEvil> In principle if you take some layflat tubing, and seal the end in a sort of parabola shape, you should sort-of-get a airship shaped nose
[15:36] <mattbrejza> looks like MAN has been recovered
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[15:43] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: As context - a quick google said the likely drag cefficient of a line is about 1 - so a .3mm*1km line in 3m/s wind would experience a side-force of 400g.
[15:44] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon S_Mark, hows progress?
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[15:46] <SpeedEvil> A 2kg lift balloon with a volume of about 2m^2 would have a frontal area of about 1.4m^2, or 1.4kg
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> - again with a 3m/s wind
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> It'll be forced down almost to the gound
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> And 3m/s isn't much wind
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[15:48] <DL7AD> good evening :)
[15:49] <SpeedEvil> Above numbers are not of back of the envelope quality
[15:50] <Smrtz> Back.
[15:50] <Smrtz> Yeah, I'm thinking about getting the smallest kite from allsopp, and using that as a guide to make my own envelope.
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[15:51] <Smrtz> I want to have the kite like boom part of it too, to help with lift.
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hindenburg_burning.jpg - more like this.
[15:51] <SpeedEvil> - though without the flames and screaming hopefully
[15:52] <Smrtz> haha, and without the internal structure.
[15:52] <SpeedEvil> Probably
[15:52] <Smrtz> I really feel like I need to get one premade at first, just so I know I have one that'll work. That way I can focus on the other parts of the equation.
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Swimmers-Radio-Remote-Controlled-Ballon-Flying-Shark-Fish-RC-Kids-Toy-gift-/141062589017?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item20d7fc4a59
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> GEt one of these.
[15:54] <SpeedEvil> Scale it up by 4, and put a decent engine so it has a good swimming speed.
[15:54] <Smrtz> haha.
[15:54] <Smrtz> Were trying to use this as a data relay for a quadcopter/plane autopilot test.
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: Where are you?
[15:55] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: USA
[15:55] <SpeedEvil> Ah - beyond visial range is quite illegal in the UK without extensive permitting
[15:56] <Smrtz> yeah, I'm by an airport, and a naval base, so I've had to go through some hoops just to do the tests on the plane/quadcopters.
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[15:57] <Smrtz> do you guys have any recommendations on video transmitters?
[15:57] <SpeedEvil> First work out allocated frequencies for airborne video transmission
[15:57] <bertrik> have HABE and MAN been recovered yet?
[15:58] <Ugi_> B-13 airborne?
[15:58] <Smrtz> 2.4Ghz, IIRC.... Let me double check.
[15:58] Action: Willdude123 wonders if it's worth installing backtrack
[15:58] <bertrik> looks like it, but no updates since 4 minutes
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[16:00] <x-f> updated
[16:01] <Smrtz> yep, 2.4Ghz, or 1.3...
[16:01] <Ugi_> HABE chase looks like it's heading for HABE so either got MAN or given up, I guess
[16:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-13 seems to be up!
[16:02] <Laurenceb> wonder what B-13 is doing
[16:02] <Laurenceb> probably argos or something knowing LeoBodnar
[16:02] <Laurenceb> he doesnt hang about :p
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think the air is now clear of his other flights, unless its a "come hither" ?
[16:02] <arko> LeoBodnar: now that im back in LA i can setup my station later tonight... but i think it maybe too late for B-11 and B-12
[16:03] <Mik_WD8MNV> b-13 will pass over the chase car
[16:03] <arko> but for B-13....
[16:03] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I know it's over the weight limit, but look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMHdZqfdas&list=FLiCQ7GZvHAu2xpwozDqkDAw
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[16:03] <Smrtz> It get's interesting at 1min in.
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[16:06] <Laurenceb> B-13 looks like 5 minute updates
[16:07] <Upu> can I assume its on 434.leobodnar ?
[16:07] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[16:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Back :D
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[16:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey, is Leo sending '13 up?
[16:08] <arko> has Leo been awarded his own band yet?
[16:08] <Upu> its up
[16:08] <Upu> yes
[16:08] <arko> i'd sign that petition
[16:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh!
[16:08] <Upu> its 434.500 +/- 1lhz
[16:08] <Upu> khz
[16:08] Action: G0TDJ_Steve fires up FLDigi again
[16:08] Action: arko setups his tower just incase
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[16:10] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil: I know it's over the weight limit, but look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMHdZqfdas&list=FLiCQ7GZvHAu2xpwozDqkDAw it get's interesting at 1min in,.
[16:10] <Smrtz> also, I'll be using either 2.4, or 1.3Ghz.
[16:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here. How long has it been up please Upu?
[16:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh and any news from cuddykid?
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[16:12] <mattbrejza> G0TDJ_Steve: look at the path of the chasecar
[16:12] <mattbrejza> kinda gives it away :)
[16:12] <arko> i like how HABE & MAN landed right next to B-13
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> B-13 released about 15:50
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> utc
[16:12] <arko> its like a tag race
[16:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah! I had the path switched off
[16:12] <bertrik> nice set of concentric rings now on the map :)
[16:13] <Mik_WD8MNV> a giant Venn diagram... but what does it mean?
[16:14] <jim_g3wgm> anyone know the freq for B13 please?
[16:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> jim_g3wgm: Supposedly 434.500 +/-
[16:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> tone frequency spot on 434.501
[16:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> So dial 434.500
[16:15] <Laurenceb> http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers/cortex_m0_m0/LPC1112FDH20.html
[16:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> How come it's not on the tracker? Is no one decoding yet?
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> Hello guys, B-13 is up (slightly)
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Set up and ready LeoBodnar
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> If it doesn't gain some height I'll never hear it over the Downs!
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> Cool! :)
[16:16] <Upu> anything interesting or B-11/12 rerun
[16:16] <Upu> ?
[16:16] <Upu> not that isn't interesting :)
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'm hoping for a 'secret' message
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[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh a jump in height ?
[16:17] <jim_g3wgm> junderwood_M0JCU. Thanks. Nothing here in Dorset!
[16:17] <LeoBodnar> Nothing much interesting, I have fixed a few bugs with the backlog handling and the only way of testing it is sending it around :)
[16:18] <junderwood_M0JCU> No surprise given the altitude
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just a spike
[16:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Whats current alt?
[16:18] <junderwood_M0JCU> last reported was 1038 m
[16:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't believe the 2729 m one
[16:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> *doh*... Had filters on for cuddykid's payloads
[16:19] Action: G0TDJ_Steve feels like a twit
[16:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> A whole country to pay with and all today's payloads are within 10 miiles of eachother
[16:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> s/pay/play/
[16:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ohhh, Solar panel
[16:20] <LeoBodnar> No, it's MAX-6 shutdown glitches again. I am planning to have a good look at MAX-6 shutdown mode but don't know if it is a waste of time since MAX-7 are coming online
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[16:21] <chris_4x1rf> upu: B11 should be in my range just about now if my latest NOAA trajectory is correct :D
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:21] <chris_4x1rf> will let everybody know if there's any sign of it
[16:21] Action: SpeedEvil crosses his fingers.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> It'll replay the last three days - if it does?
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> chris_4x1rf: maybe B-13 will go your way as well I feel sorry we keep you waiting for almost a week now :D
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right go to go make tea, but Rx on for B-13
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[16:23] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: no reply from argos people
[16:23] <Laurenceb> they might be on holiday i guess
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[16:23] <Laurenceb> its not start of term time yet
[16:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> Not exactly shooting up...
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> B-13 does not have solid plans. "Something for the weekend" I suppose :D
[16:23] <Laurenceb> good luck with the flight
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> Cheers
[16:23] <LeoBodnar> Even more lift this time. See if it blows up.
[16:24] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: this has been a great exercise so far, really improved my UHF receiver so I'll be ready for B13
[16:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> I do wish that if you clicked on a ring, it would tell you what payload you were looking at
[16:24] <Laurenceb> how much lift?
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> Cool, standard wind pattern seems to favour you from time to time for UK floater launches
[16:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hover over a ring, don't click, at least in FF
[16:25] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: just wish you could use a slightly different frequency, I;m fighting terrible QRM on 434.5 here
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> :/
[16:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh yes, it doesn't work in Chrome Geoff-G8DHE
[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> No 434.5 perfect here! Don't change!! Unless its listen before Tx perghps ?
[16:27] <Upu> where are you chris_4x1rf ?
[16:27] <chris_4x1rf> Haifa, Israel
[16:28] <M6GTG_nerdsville> we have decode.. not bad for a few bent coathangers and some dodgy RG58 in the loft
[16:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> chris_4x1rf, I think QRM is the least of your problems
[16:28] <db_g6gzh> G0TDJ_Steve: it's at 0.8 degrees for me and you're about the same distance from the horizon line
[16:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> the radio horizon is most likely the culprit
[16:29] <Upu> oh cool chris_4x1rf yes keep an eye out :)
[16:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> db_g6gzh: Cheers, I think my terrain is the main issue. B-13 needs a little height is all
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[16:30] <db_g6gzh> Probably, I have no significant local obstructions here.
[16:30] <LeoBodnar> Is anything around 434.5 clean chris_4x1rf ? I can probably shift frequency to a new one within 400 miles radius from you.
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[16:31] <chris_4x1rf> junderwood_M0JCU: it's not funny trying to hear B-11 from a predicted 400+ Km and maybe even get a decode! Have a listen at my audio stream (thanks to enkidu!): http://lantv.ds.pg.gda.pl:8080
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[16:35] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: looks like 5Khz up is clear: 434.505
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[16:38] <LeoBodnar> I'm on it every night chris_4x1rf :)
[16:39] <Upu> B-13 on 434.500 again Leo ?
[16:39] <LeoBodnar> Are they ship radars interference from time to time?
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[16:39] <LeoBodnar> Yes Upu
[16:39] <Upu> ta
[16:40] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: oh, didn't knew you're listening
[16:42] <chris_4x1rf> had a listen now to the last night recording, just QRM mostly unfortunately
[16:42] <LeoBodnar> through the enkidu reflector
[16:42] <chris_4x1rf> yes, enkidu really helped here as did DL7AD, thanks to both!
[16:45] <chris_4x1rf> looks like B-13 will miss the Eiffel tower ;)
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[16:52] <DL7AD> chris_4x1rf maybe its going this tiime directly to italy
[16:52] <DL7AD> chris_4x1rf or israel :)
[16:54] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> LeoBodnar, Is it on 2minutes or 5minutes Tx currently ?
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[16:55] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah 5minutes going by the last pait of updates then.
[16:55] <chris_4x1rf> LeoBodnar: what's the meaning of Solar Panel: 0.49 reading on B-13 ? is it Volts?
[16:55] <LeoBodnar> It is 5 minutes during reduced power (evening/night/morning) and almost continuous during the full sun (which needs testing yet!)
[16:56] <LeoBodnar> volts chris_4x1rf
[16:57] <chris_4x1rf> thanks! what is the battery charging current in full sun?
[16:58] <LeoBodnar> Have HABE/MAN been found ?
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Last tweet was payload visible beyond pond
[16:59] <LeoBodnar> About 150mW chris_4x1rf
[16:59] <LeoBodnar> Ah, I could't hear MAN on advertised freq :( but got a few HABE decodes
[17:00] <Maxell> yeah LeoBodnar MAN was kinda broken
[17:00] <chris_4x1rf> 150mA I suppose...
[17:00] <LeoBodnar> Why is that?
[17:00] <Maxell> HABE & HABE SSDV went fine
[17:00] <Maxell> < cuddykid> Man has a stub antenna so that might be reason for weak signal?
[17:01] <LeoBodnar> It's complicated chris_4x1rf, I guess about 100mA going into battery
[17:01] <Maxell> However, on it's way down it was heard
[17:01] <LeoBodnar> Oh, daveake warned about them
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[17:02] <Upu> no stubs work
[17:03] <Maxell> junderwood_M0JCU got the first few packets at 7801 m untill it was down at 559 m like 25 minutes later
[17:03] <Upu> however there is a great discrepancy in the quality
[17:03] <Upu> and also PCB design helps
[17:03] <Upu> we've done a number of launches using stubs you loose on range but otherwise they work
[17:04] <Upu> PE2G received a launch with a stub from 600km so...
[17:05] <Maxell> hmm
[17:06] <Maxell> Stub antenna?
[17:06] <Maxell> How do they look?
[17:06] <Maxell> Like this? http://www.l-com.com/product_images/detail/PWD_HG2400RDR-RSP.JPG
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[17:10] <Upu> yeah thats a 2.4Ghz one
[17:10] <Upu> I suspect
[17:10] <Maxell> It isl.
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[17:12] <Laurenceb> hehe
[17:12] <Laurenceb> that would perform somewhat poorly on a 434mhz hab
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[17:15] <Maxell> :p
[17:15] <Maxell> http://www.sinotel.co.uk/images/SRH-805-SMAF.jpg
[17:15] <Maxell> Why would someone want to have that kind of antenna? :(
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[17:26] <SP3OSJ> Hello you and you
[17:29] <x-f> hello, you too
[17:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> To you I say Hello
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[17:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have we a dial freq. for B-13 ?
[17:33] <SP3OSJ> Wow B-13 flies beautifully. I fly tomorrow
[17:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Geoff-G8DHE: I'm smack on 434.500
[17:34] <Upu> 434.500
[17:34] <Upu> calibrate your SDR's with it
[17:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> :D
[17:36] <bertrik> how can it be so stable?
[17:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cos Leo is good at what he does
[17:36] <Upu> TCXO
[17:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> And that
[17:37] <bertrik> so a TCXO is not even disturbed by typical HAB temperatures? I remember seeing minimal isolation on B-11 and B-12
[17:38] <Upu> not if its rated to those temps
[17:38] <bertrik> oh, cool :)
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[17:56] <chrisstubbs> ping cm13g09 B-13 due right over your head later
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[17:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good sigs here now Chris
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> Yeah I do like domino :) But thats 434.500 out o0f action for the next week or so though ;)
[17:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL True
[18:00] <bertrik> \o/ first decode from B-13, right at the radio horizon
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[18:01] <Willdude123> Upu how are you today?
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[18:01] <Maxell> bertrik: could have got a few decodes earlier tough
[18:02] <Maxell> we have some meters HAAT
[18:02] <Maxell> (height above average terain)
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[18:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> evening
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[18:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> what is B13s freq?
[18:04] <bertrik> 434500000 Hz :)
[18:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> thanks
[18:05] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Hz, sharp ;)
[18:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> got the powersave beeps
[18:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I believe
[18:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> remoting into the station, so not sure, just arrived home
[18:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep, that's what we're getting between two lines of telemetry
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[18:09] <PE2G> G0TDJ_Steve: Are the beeps still at 3 sec intervals?
[18:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Looks about right
[18:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> bam, decode
[18:10] <PE2G> Thanks
[18:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool Wouter-[pa3weg]
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[18:12] <fsphil> habe/b-13 looks like a relay launch
[18:13] <f5vnf> hope it stays up untill my dongle arrives , should be monday
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[18:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks good path with that High coming over us for the weekend.
[18:17] <db_g6gzh> looks like it's floating
[18:19] <Upu> such a nice sound the white noise with the faint plips
[18:20] <db_g6gzh> If he alternated the tone slightly it would sound like a nuclear plant
[18:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup its floating http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-13/
[18:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: Master of the floaters LOL
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[18:20] <fsphil> Upu: like listening to a spacecraft :)
[18:20] <Upu> indeed :)
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> I like one of your videos on youtube where B-* is used as a background track :D
[18:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Would be quite handy if the blips were those on the edges of the tones, that would mark the bandwidth nicely then!
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> With some hiss and crackle
[18:21] <fsphil> the beep is in the middle isn't it
[18:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes
[18:21] <db_g6gzh> I use the scope display and put the dot on the line
[18:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's what I use to line up with
[18:22] <M6GTG_nerdsville> me too, put cursor on the beep it's spot on then
[18:23] <Upu> yes LeoBodnar :)
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> I have tweaked the sync code between the telemetry to make sure it cycles through side tones. It think missing 1st decode was due to the fact that DominoEX is possible to lock onto signal with an offset.
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> Now it should be better
[18:23] <M6GTG_nerdsville> nice not to have to keep chasing it up and the waterfall ;-)
[18:23] <Upu> I should have picked a section with it TX domex
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[18:23] <Upu> well I suspect with the new NTX2B being TCXO'd chasing payloads up and down will hopefully be a thing of the past
[18:23] <enkidu> I am back from work
[18:23] <fsphil> I know it's unlikely, but when would B-12 come back around to europe?
[18:23] <Upu> unless people continue to use cheap chinese ones
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> It think? It probably meant "I think it was"
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[18:24] <Upu> where should B-12 and B-11 be now ?
[18:24] <nats`> hi
[18:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> I just get AFC working with SDR-Radio and the second flight doesn't need it anyway :-)
[18:24] <db_g6gzh> are they available yet Upu ?
[18:24] <Maxell> hai nats`
[18:24] <enkidu> fsphil: few days maybe. B11 man orbiting over north africa
[18:24] <Upu> soon I need to mail Radiometrix
[18:24] <Upu> might do it early next week
[18:24] <fsphil> I must setup a rig here, leave it on B-12's frequency
[18:25] <M6GTG_nerdsville> SDR-Radio is a bit of a cpu hog on my old pc
[18:25] <db_g6gzh> OK, I can wait 8-)
[18:25] <nats`> M6GTG_nerdsville even if you scall down to 500kHz bandwidth
[18:25] <fsphil> gqrx makes my laptop really toasty :)
[18:25] <Maxell> Howabout sending a hab into the air for just recieving 434.5 DomEX16 :P
[18:25] <nats`> I manged to get it working on an old P4 1.4GHz
[18:25] <mfa298> M6GTG_nerdsville: if it's windows 7 try turning off the aero interface (if it's on) I found that made a huge difference on my netbook
[18:25] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[18:26] <G0TDJ_AFK> Right, time for a late dinner - BBL guys
[18:26] <M6GTG_nerdsville> it's XP around 2GHz P4, just stutters a lot
[18:26] <enkidu> netbook == atom == fake sse3
[18:26] <fsphil> I'm thinking about tidying my desk -- resisting the urge to slide everything into a big box and hide it in the attic
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[18:27] <fsphil> atom's are rubbish little processors
[18:28] <mfa298> Aero was the downside of putting a real version of W7 on it (rather than starter)
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[18:28] <mfa298> only benefit is it's small and can now run dl-fldigi and some sdr software.
[18:28] <mfa298> and with a decent battery runs for 7+ hours
[18:28] <Maxell> fsphil: oh, isn't that how you are suppose to clean up?
[18:28] <fsphil> while running the sdr + fldigi mfa298?
[18:29] <enkidu> if I had my netbook, I could put a dongle inside
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[18:29] <mfa298> I've not run sdr and dl-fldigi for a long time on a new battery (only just got the replacement battery) but I've run other high cpu stuff on it for many houts
[18:31] <enkidu> we should ask LeoBodnar to develop solar powered netbook ;)
[18:31] <M6GTG_nerdsville> oooh currently third on the stats chart! lol
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[18:31] <fsphil> we'd need to fly to spain to use it
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> Steam powered solar one :D
[18:31] <fsphil> hah
[18:31] <enkidu> it would have balloon anyways
[18:31] <Willdude123> It would be so cool if we could fly UAVs without seeing them in the UK. You could have a quadcopter that goes and picks the payload up, and flies it back to you
[18:31] <mfa298> the other advantage is it's only around 10W from a psu (and I think that's when charging as well) so will take a while to kill the car battery
[18:31] <enkidu> so spain or africa...
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> Will we have more floaters this weekend?
[18:33] <fsphil> I've a floater planned for two weeks time
[18:33] <enkidu> floatplosion
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> I think Poles were going to launch a few?
[18:33] <fsphil> CAA+weather-permitting
[18:33] <enkidu> two PL one czech/slovak
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> netted latex?
[18:33] <fsphil> standard latex
[18:34] <fsphil> not expecting it to survive sunrise the next day
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> Cool, I want to try latex one as well. Like big boys do!
[18:34] <fsphil> haha
[18:34] <fsphil> I've yet to float anything, except in the sea
[18:34] <fsphil> so I'll start simple
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> How about wrapping it in mylar? I have plenty of mylar film
[18:34] <fsphil> that would be great
[18:35] <fsphil> would need enough to cover a 10m sphere though
[18:35] <chrisstubbs> er, is B-13 coming down?
[18:35] <fsphil> at which point you may as well seal it, and just put the H2/He in the mylar bag :)
[18:35] <fsphil> ah man
[18:35] <fsphil> did it pop?
[18:36] <LeoBodnar> The only danger then is ozone
[18:36] <fsphil> could be gps glitch
[18:36] <fsphil> there's a few earlier
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[18:37] <tommo> what frequency is B13 on?
[18:37] <db_g6gzh> going up
[18:38] <fsphil> weird
[18:38] <db_g6gzh> 434.5 tommo
[18:38] <fsphil> doesn't look like a gps glitch
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[18:38] <tommo> cheers g6gzh :)
[18:38] <fsphil> ello cuddykid
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: Or guided payloads. Imagine a payload which had a GPS database - and could glide into a postbox already stamped
[18:38] <cuddykid> hi all - thanks for tracking - without your help I don't think MAN would have been recovered!
[18:39] <cuddykid> very pleased with how the flight went (apart from the weak MAN transmission)
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[18:39] <Willdude123> SpeedEvil, That'd be a bit too gimmicky.
[18:39] <Willdude123> When is the proper LOHAN launch?
[18:39] <fsphil> you need to fly WOMAN next time. they're better at communicating, or so they say
[18:39] <gonzo_> did you retrieve both?
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> great cuddykid
[18:39] <cuddykid> haha fsphil
[18:39] <cuddykid> gonzo_: yep
[18:39] <db_g6gzh> cuddykid: glad to hear you got both back
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> I would have come out and helped you but was in the middle of assembling B-13
[18:39] <cuddykid> main rig landed about 2m from a big pond!
[18:40] <gonzo_> it's never work phill. The payload weight with all the crap that women would pack for the trip
[18:40] <gonzo_> good news
[18:40] <cuddykid> flew over the pond on the descent too
[18:40] <gonzo_> did you find out why MAN was weak sig?
[18:40] <fsphil> haha
[18:40] <Willdude123> I really want a quadcopter
[18:40] <cuddykid> gonzo_: it was a stub antenna, but still
[18:40] <fsphil> I'm guessing the SD card got dislodged in the ssdv payload?
[18:41] <gonzo_> you still can't beat the simple 1/4 wave
[18:41] <cuddykid> fsphil: looked to be intact, pi still powered on, a mystery
[18:41] Action: G0TDJ_AFK is glad to hear cuddykid recovered both payloads
[18:41] <fsphil> oooh that is weird
[18:41] <cuddykid> used 10aas this time as power was an issue in testing
[18:41] <PE2G> What is your cursor freq for 403.500?
[18:41] <PE2G> 434.500
[18:42] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, ?@825B. -B> BK H0@8: 70?CAB8;?
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[18:42] <Willdude123> On my 10th or 11th ish hearing of the song Only The Good Die young, I've just realized that it's a huge anti-catholic song
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> 030 ramm25 :D
[18:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha B-13 exists on your page but not in the index LeoBodnar
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> Well spotted. fixing
[18:44] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, 0 345 BK 53> @538AB@8@C5HL, GB>1 >= ?>O28;AO =0 :0@B5 8 :0: B5, :B> 53> =01;N40NB 4>102;ONB B5;5<5B@8N =0 :0@BC?
[18:46] <gonzo_> LeoBodnar, is the centre of the data TX at 434.499?
[18:47] <gonzo_> sorry, 434.501
[18:47] <db_g6gzh> what's B-13 doing now? double beeps
[18:47] <db_g6gzh> oh and single again
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[18:49] <Upu> does a double before TX
[18:50] <db_g6gzh> it repeeated them for a while
[18:50] <db_g6gzh> with slightly less e
[18:50] <Boggle> bug or feature?
[18:51] <db_g6gzh> with LeoBodnar you never know 8-)
[18:51] <Boggle> :-)
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> I think it is a little bug. I couldn't stomp it out and since it was so elusive I let it live.
[18:53] <x-f> bugger - as JGC said
[18:53] <db_g6gzh> It did a couple just then. Anyway as long as it keeps sending the data ...
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[18:55] <Willdude123> I'm sooo bored
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[18:56] <ibanezmatt13> when bored, listen to radio 4 extra
[18:56] <Bo_DK> me not bored
[18:57] <Bo_DK> got my cape running so i can continue with my ground listning/tracker station
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[18:57] <Willdude123> Not sure if the current program appeals to me
[18:57] <Bo_DK> just need to figure how to grab data from serial line
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[18:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qyyb
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> i would highly recommend
[18:58] <SpeedEvil> But they canned it - though the archives are good
[18:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> right...I'm off, will leave B13 decoding
[18:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> might occasionally adjust the antenna heading
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[18:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> goodnight all, and talk to you later
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[18:59] <LeoBodnar> gn!
[18:59] <LeoBodnar> oh, tto late
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[19:02] <Laurenceb> is pdf compressed?
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[19:03] <Laurenceb> im confused - im building a multi meg postcript into a pdf and filesize only goes up 200kB
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[19:05] <SpeedEvil> postscript can be hyperexpanded
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[19:09] <enkidu> PDF may we stripped for size easily
[19:09] <enkidu> best way to optimise PDF file is converting it into PS and then back to PDF
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[19:13] <Laurenceb> ok
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[19:29] <ibanezmatt13> meow
[19:29] <tommo> lips are on fie to much chile
[19:29] <tommo> *fire
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[19:34] <Bo_DK> i'm stucj
[19:34] <Bo_DK> stuck
[19:35] <enkidu> I like three kinds of beer: free ber, cold beer and next beer
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> my board http://gerblook.org/pcb/PHu6F84BRvxPrGrDJnR7dX
[19:35] <enkidu> many vias
[19:36] <enkidu> you will bankrupt
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> well
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> people told me to install vias
[19:37] <chrisstubbs> vias are good
[19:37] <chrisstubbs> thats a lot
[19:37] <enkidu> in HF / gps antenna sections
[19:37] <chrisstubbs> Stick some under the ublox too
[19:38] <enkidu> but around crystal??
[19:38] <chrisstubbs> you will probably find your silkscreen looks a bit messy over vias
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> do I have system failure?
[19:39] <chrisstubbs> ?
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> tent them too
[19:39] <Upu> yes
[19:39] <Upu> tent your vias
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> tent?
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> can you explain it?
[19:41] <Upu> just apply the hackvana dru
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> well I did that
[19:44] <PE2G> Just had my first decodes at 370 km, elev. -0.5
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[19:45] <Willdude123> craag, It seems SUWS shares the name of an American child prison camp
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[19:45] <PE2G> http://s9.postimg.org/pllxgl8mn/Screen1100.jpg
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[19:48] <Upu> PE2G there is nothing there :<
[19:48] <Upu> turn your volume down can you see the plips easier ?
[19:49] <ibanezmatt13> Lunar_Lander: Text on the back looks nice. :)
[19:49] <PE2G> Upu: yeah I can now
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> text on the back?
[19:49] <Upu> I'm @ 348km -0.4 now
[19:50] <PE2G> Upu: Is the freq clean?
[19:50] <Upu> pretty much yes
[19:50] <Upu> bit of QRM on the colinear
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[19:51] <Willdude123> Oh hi Upu how was your day?
[19:51] <Upu> not bad will
[19:51] <Upu> not done much for obvious reason
[19:51] <Upu> s
[19:51] <ibanezmatt13> Lunar_Lander: Put your name on the back or something, looks awesome instead of a blank back if you get me? Shove "The Lunar Lander" at the far right or something :)
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[19:53] <Willdude123> Upu how exactly does one refrain from moving one's eyes?
[19:53] <Upu> watch tv
[19:53] <bertrik> nice, 20 trackers for B-13
[19:54] <Upu> way out of my horizon now
[19:55] <Bo_DK> is it ok to ask non HAB related Q's tonight?
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[19:57] <LeoBodnar> Anything in life comes down to HABs
[19:57] <SP9UOB> Hi i need quick approval of flight doc: 9f234f4b58e94e1366494b31abead87d we are doing some crazy experiment
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[19:58] <chrisstubbs> Crazy experiments are the best!
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> Bo_DK, yeah I will start with that
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zndOKqhse5Q
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:59] <Bo_DK> Q: how to install GPS lib's on beagle bone black?
[19:59] <Bo_DK> in the end it will relate to HAB
[19:59] <Upu> 1 sec SP9UOB
[19:59] <Bo_DK> got my board for BBB made up... can read gps data from raw serial
[19:59] <Upu> done SP9UOB
[19:59] <Bo_DK> got gpsd running
[20:00] <Bo_DK> now i just need the python gps libs there
[20:00] <Upu> I look forward to your crazy experiment :)
[20:00] Action: enkidu is looking at B13 path and thinks, it is similar to something... so far
[20:01] <Bo_DK> Upu... mine?
[20:01] <Upu> no SP9UOB
[20:02] <DL1SGP> woot woot for B-13
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[20:06] <Bo_DK> feel like shooting down a HAB :-P
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[20:21] <Upu> SR0FLY in the air as well ?
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> Is FLY received from Italy?
[20:24] <Upu> suspect not
[20:25] <Upu> someone forgot to update his call sign
[20:25] <Upu> btw
[20:25] <Upu> I can see pips 500 hz up from signal again
[20:25] <Upu> annoying I can't compare as B-13 has just left my range
[20:26] <gonzo_> the freq is not very accurate. I see it at 25hz high!
[20:26] <ramm25> E>@>H> ;5B8B H0@8:
[20:26] <Upu> probably just noise
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> is it 3 sec intervals or 8 sec Upu ?
[20:31] <Upu> 3 sec
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> =045NAL GB> ?>;5B05B 2>:@C3
[20:31] <Upu> very faint now though
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> hmmm
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> B-* ghosts?
[20:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> You'll have to vary the Pip time between flights incase they come back months later!
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[20:33] <Upu> http://imgur.com/n02mGTE
[20:33] <Upu> afk
[20:34] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, :0:8< >1@07>< >=> ?@>3=>78@C5B 53> ?>A04:C?
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> ?@>3=>7 2@CG=CN 70405BAO @51OB0<8 =0 A09B5 8 4;O 4@59DCNI8E H0@>2 >1KG=> =5 @01>B05B
[20:35] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: http://predict.habhub.org/ <>6=> 7040BL B>G:C AB0@B0, A:>@>ABL ?>4J5<0, 2KA>BC @07@K20 8 A:>@>ABL A?CA:0
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> is SP0FLY latex of some sort?
[20:37] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, 0, ?>=O;. 0 :0: G0AB> <0O: ?5@5405B B5;5<5B@8N?
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> <>9 @07 2 5 <8=CB =>GLN 8 :064CN <8=CBC 4=5<
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> B5 :B> ?CA:0NB =0 2KA>BC >1KG=> ?5@540NB 157 ?0C7 - RTTY 50 baud MB> 345-B> :064K5 15-20 A5:C=4
[20:40] <ramm25> 40, 8=B5@5A=>. H0@8:8 A 515O?
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[20:42] <DL7AD> does anybody know something about SR0FLY?
[20:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> It thinks its rather cold!
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: >1KG=K5 <03078=K :>B>@K5 ?@>40NB ?>40@>G=K5 H0@K - 90A< 2 480<5B@5 (?;5=>G=K5?) D8@<K Qualatex => >=8 <>3CB ?>4 4@C38<8 <0@:0<8 ?@>4020BLAO B>65
[20:46] <LeoBodnar> yeah he said crazy experiment!
[20:47] <ramm25> ?>=OB=>. 0 GB> 70 02B><>18;8 87>1@065=K =0 :0@B5 B@5:5@0?
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[20:48] <Ugi_> HI Guys - what freq is B-13 on?
[20:48] <DL7AD> 434.500
[20:49] <Ugi_> Ta' DL7AD
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[20:49] <chrisstubbs> -64 is the minimum limit for the rfm22b's sensor irrc
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> MB> =0@>4 :>B>@K9 70 A2>8<8 H0@0<8 3>=O5BAO 2:;NG05B =0 <>18;:5 >B>1@065=85 A2>53> <5AB>=0E>645=8O, 8< 745AL A>25BCNB :C40 5E0BL 2 @50;L=>< 2@5<5=8 :)
[20:49] <DL7AD> on which frequency can i receive SR0FLY?
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[20:49] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, 0 2K E>BL >48= A2>9 H0@ 25@=C;8?
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Any details about FLY yet? I want to know crazy bit!
[20:50] <DL7AD> i just found old information from 2012 LeoBodnar
[20:50] <DL7AD> http://copernicus-project.org/
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> 0, ?5@2K9 1K; <0;5=L:89 ;0B5:A=K9 http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-1/ 8 5I5 >48= ?@818;> ?>3>4>9 http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/ => C <5=O :@><5 B@5:5@0 =5B =8G53> B0: GB> O >A>1> =5 15A?>:>NAL. 0@>4 70?CA:05B =5A:>;L:> :0<5@ 8 75@:0;:8 B0: GB> B0< 60;:> ?>B5@OB
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Does anybody remember Babs's flicker adddress?
[20:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm 20/09/2013 - CP24 – Orient Express – Funka
[20:53] <chrisstubbs> LeoBodnar, http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157629918448066/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/sets/72157632733154985/
[20:57] <DL1SGP> Greetings LeoBodnar thanks for sending B-13 to the sky :)
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> Lol my pleasure
[20:57] <arko> any new features with B-13?
[20:58] <ramm25> =8G53> A515, F5;K9 D>B>0??0@0B 2 AB@0B>AD5@C
[20:58] <ramm25> 20H8 <0O:8 :>=5G=> 25AL<0 <8=80BN@=K5
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> arko: just incremental bug fixes and some weekend fun
[20:59] <ramm25> 0 :0: 40;5:> C;5B0; A0<K9 40;L=89?
[20:59] <arko> :)
[20:59] <arko> cool
[20:59] <arko> i'll be ready for it to come to Los Angeles now
[20:59] <arko> got to my preamp
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> 2477km ramm25
[21:00] <ramm25> >3>, MB> :C40-B> 2 @>AA8N =025@=>5?
[21:01] <LeoBodnar> Turkey ramm25
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> arko: I got a reply from Ron Meadows of CNSP and he kindly offered to listen out for B-12 but haven't heard anything. If you are in contact with him please pass him my appreciation.
[21:02] <arko> ah, not sure who that is :P
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[21:03] <LeoBodnar> It's in your neck of the woods :) california near-space project
[21:03] <SP9UOB> DL7DAD: SR0FLY is at 437.605 MHz
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB: is it a latex floater?
[21:04] <SP9UOB> LeoBodnar: zeropressure pico :-)
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Looks like a busy weekend
[21:04] <SP9UOB> LeoBodnar: 9 hours of driving to get here...
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> What, 36" qualatex?
[21:06] <SP9UOB> Trash bag :-)
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> Oh, Kt5TK style? :D
[21:07] <Upu> LeoBodnar http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/
[21:07] <LeoBodnar> cheers Upu
[21:07] <SP9UOB> :-)
[21:08] <DL7AD> SP9UOB do you receive SR0FLY?
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[21:08] <SP9UOB> DL7AD: yes, but im at the launch site
[21:09] <DL7AD> SP9UOB on which frequency is it transmitting?
[21:09] <SP9UOB> DL7AD: 437.605 MHz
[21:09] <LeoBodnar> ramm25: K ?>=O;8? >;O:8 70?CAB8;8 <CA>@=K9 <5H>: :)
[21:09] <DL7AD> SP9UOB thx
[21:10] <SP9UOB> DL7AD: are You receiving something ?
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[21:12] <DL7AD> SP9UOB yes i can
[21:12] <DL7AD> SP9UOB but currently unable to decode
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[21:13] <SP9UOB> DL7AD: maybe later
[21:13] <DL7AD> SP9UOB i added a filter now.
[21:14] <Iain_G4SGX> Leobodnar: Quick question, did you use the SPI for communicating with Si4032 on a PIC? Not sure if its easier and less code to just to clock out the 16 bit data via a couple or 3 pins as I'm not wanting to rx any data.
[21:14] <DL7AD> SP9UOB $$SR0@Q,287,21:(:8,5308.104,03.2535,219,42,P398,!L-640b*87
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> Yes, I found it almost exactly the same. I think I have used both, there is almost no difference or performance preference as I usually use blocking SPI comms.
[21:16] <LeoBodnar> An I think Si4032 SPI is very fast - almost can be done at MCU clock rate
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> By the time you configure SPI HW you could have already bit-banged data out as you said!
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> I think I only needed to RX for internal temperature sensor.
[21:18] <DL7AD> SP9UOB first valid package ;)
[21:18] <Iain_G4SGX> thanks, as i thought, reckon its just a few lines to clock out and by the time you've set the SPI up and pin allocations..
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> yeah, sometimes I am a bit paranoid about SPI and just bit-bang it.
[21:19] <Iain_G4SGX> max speed on Si is 10Mhz
[21:20] <Iain_G4SGX> easy, may stick a NOP in anyway
[21:23] <ramm25> LeoBodnar, E>@>H> <5H>: 27;5B5;, ?>GB8 15 :8;><5B@>2, A:>@> 1C45B ?>A04:0
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[21:24] <LeoBodnar> Yeah, didn't have any problems with it.
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[21:36] <ramm25> ?>;LA:89 7>=4 ?@875<;O5BAO
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[21:43] <ramm25> B-13 B>65 ?@875<;O5BAO???
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[21:49] <ibanezmatt13> If I have pads for a sensor on a PCB which I don't actually need to put on, can I just leave it as it is or will that have implications? Ie, a TMP102, the board is designed for it but say I didn't want it
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[21:51] <ibanezmatt13> tiny 6 pin chip, top right: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nf07sgltyu2wg7e/NORB_v3_Closeup.png
[21:51] <ibanezmatt13> it's on the i2c bus, but it turns out I don't actually need it. Must I put it on still?
[21:51] <craag> It
[21:51] <craag> 'll be fine without it
[21:52] <craag> Just like having it disconnected :)
[21:52] <Mik_WD8MNV> did HABE get recovered?
[21:52] <ibanezmatt13> thanks craag, just needed to be sure
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[21:57] <Laurenceb__> B-13 battery is a bit low
[21:57] <Laurenceb__> does it reduce the update rate as it gets too low?
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[22:00] <Bo_DK> craag: busy as hell?
[22:00] Nick change: crash_18974_ -> crash_18974
[22:00] <craag> Bo_DK: No, but tired. How are you doing?
[22:01] <Bo_DK> oh fine.... got my cape for the BBB done
[22:01] <Bo_DK> and gpsd running
[22:01] <craag> great stuff
[22:01] <craag> all working?
[22:01] <Bo_DK> now i just need to figure how to parse the gps string to habrotate
[22:01] <Bo_DK> hardware vise yes
[22:01] <craag> fantastic
[22:01] <craag> easy bit now :)
[22:02] <Bo_DK> hehehehe
[22:02] <Bo_DK> for you yes
[22:02] <craag> I'm currently playing with gpsd infact, for APRS.
[22:02] <Bo_DK> ok
[22:02] <Bo_DK> short... what is aprs?
[22:02] <Bo_DK> heard it before but never got it
[22:02] <craag> It's a packet radio network.
[22:03] <craag> On amateur radio frequencies
[22:03] <craag> used most often for position reports
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[22:03] <Bo_DK> aahh... and it good since it gives better range?
[22:03] <craag> Well there's an existing networks of repeaters on hills across the country.
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[22:04] <Bo_DK> might be we have some here too
[22:04] <craag> Germany?
[22:04] <Bo_DK> not investigated
[22:04] <Bo_DK> Denmark
[22:04] <Bo_DK> can see its uses
[22:04] <craag> Ah of course :P
[22:04] <craag> Yeah maybe
[22:04] <craag> Germany's network is impressive
[22:04] <craag> they do 5GHz backlink between the hilltop repeaters too to ease network congestion
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[22:05] <Bo_DK> my hurdle range wise is to figure hight above sealevel
[22:05] <Bo_DK> ie where i should put my listning thingy
[22:05] <craag> It's mainly useful for Emergency Comms, as it's a cellular-like system that's independent of mobile phone networks and mains power.
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[22:06] <Bo_DK> we good good 3g coverage in most places so coms should not be a problem
[22:06] <Bo_DK> but be able to listen from very far away is the thing
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[22:07] <craag> Yeah but if anything big happens, the mobile phone network goes downhill fast.
[22:07] <Bo_DK> i relly would like to be able to listen as far as possible
[22:07] <craag> Everyone tries to call everyone at once
[22:07] <WillTablet> craag Did I mention SUWS shares the name of a child torture camp in the us
[22:07] <craag> WillTablet: Yes... we also share it with a couple of other organisations.
[22:07] <WillTablet> Heh
[22:07] <craag> Bo_DK: You mean for balloons, or what?
[22:08] <Bo_DK> craag: yes...
[22:08] <craag> If you can use amateur radio airborne, having an APRS tx on there means you don't need active receivers.
[22:08] <Bo_DK> ohhh
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[22:08] <Bo_DK> not baloons in that sense...
[22:08] <craag> ok..
[22:09] <Bo_DK> it for listning i'm most interested
[22:09] <Iain_G4SGX> craag: Can APRS forward TCP/IP packets onto the intenet ?
[22:09] <Bo_DK> until i get a launch permit
[22:09] <craag> right, well we don't get many balloons on APRS in europe
[22:09] <craag> Iain_G4SGX: Yep!
[22:09] <Bo_DK> those cost on the wrong side of 100£ here
[22:09] <craag> ALthough it is a bit clunky/slow
[22:09] <craag> ouch Bo_DK
[22:10] <Bo_DK> and the application procedure is not easy
[22:10] <Bo_DK> almost tempted to say f**k it and just launch
[22:10] <Bo_DK> anyways
[22:11] <craag> Bo_DK: THere's others who have launched in Denmark and might be able to help out?
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[22:11] <craag> There are.
[22:11] <Bo_DK> craag: only one other dane on the mail list
[22:11] <Bo_DK> and not heard from him since i asked on list
[22:11] <craag> ___SKY has helped out on a launch I think.
[22:12] <craag> OZ1SKY?
[22:12] <Bo_DK> but it would awesome if there is a permit issued
[22:12] <Bo_DK> but an amatur license was the plan also
[22:13] <Bo_DK> do you use the same category system in uk?
[22:13] <Bo_DK> here we have A B C D etc etc
[22:13] <Bo_DK> i plan for D when it gets that far
[22:13] <craag> We have foundation, intermediate, advanced.
[22:13] <Bo_DK> but very interes in how you read from gpsd
[22:14] <Bo_DK> still in python right?
[22:14] <PE2G> Here you can find balloon flights on APRS: http://www.s3research.com/flightdata/
[22:15] <Laurenceb__> LeoBodnar: yo
[22:15] <Laurenceb__> battery voltage is too low?
[22:15] <craag> Bo_DK: I did write this a while ago: https://github.com/philcrump/mobile-aprs/blob/master/beacon-scripts/beacon_usb.py
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[22:15] <craag> But will be re-writing it tonight.
[22:16] <Bo_DK> line 63.....
[22:16] <Bo_DK> that is my showstopper so far
[22:16] <Bo_DK> the gps module
[22:16] <craag> hmm
[22:16] <craag> I think that might be wrong
[22:16] <craag> I wrote it 2 years ago
[22:16] <Bo_DK> np
[22:17] <Bo_DK> but that is what stopped me tonight from mixing in gps to habrotate
[22:17] <craag> Ah, try this instead: https://github.com/philcrump/mobile-aprs/blob/master/beacon-scripts/beacon.py
[22:17] <craag> the gps module is part of gpsd I think
[22:17] <craag> about to get to that in my work
[22:17] <Bo_DK> :-P
[22:18] <Bo_DK> just line 60 now
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[22:18] <Bo_DK> import gps
[22:18] <Bo_DK> i have just installed gpsd on the beagle bone
[22:18] <Bo_DK> and sadly gps module was not a part of it
[22:19] <Bo_DK> and in fact most guides install 3 packages at same time
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[22:19] <Bo_DK> gpsd is one
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[22:19] <craag> gpsd-clients
[22:19] <Bo_DK> yes
[22:20] <Bo_DK> and so far i have not been able to install that
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[22:20] <craag> how about 'sudo apt-get install python-gps'
[22:20] <Bo_DK> says that package name is unknown
[22:20] <craag> that just worked for me
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[22:20] <Bo_DK> no apt-get on BBB
[22:20] <Bo_DK> opkg
[22:20] <craag> ah you're using the weird one
[22:20] <craag> hmm
[22:21] <craag> (I installed ubuntu on it :P)
[22:21] <Bo_DK> yes i wanted to keep BBB as stock as possible
[22:21] <craag> not a clue then I'm afraid
[22:21] <Bo_DK> you got an gps.py somewhere then?
[22:21] <Bo_DK> i think thats the one i need
[22:22] <Bo_DK> like earthmath.py
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[22:22] <Bo_DK> but might be that i need to reconsider ubuntu
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[22:23] <Bo_DK> btw.... how did you enable uart's on ubuntu?
[22:23] <Bo_DK> it took me some time to figure it
[22:24] <db_g6gzh> as a (nasty hack) workaround you can get nmea strings on a pty using gpspipe and socat but I don't know if that helps your application
[22:24] <craag> Bo_DK: No, it's a python lib
[22:24] <craag> Try googling for it
[22:24] <craag> Hmm this gps is a bit silent :(
[22:25] <db_g6gzh> gpspipe -r | socat - PTY,link=/home/<user>/gps,raw > /dev/null &
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[22:25] <Bo_DK> craag: i'm considering ubuntu as amstrong is piss*** me off
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[22:25] <craag> Bo_DK: Do you have a pi, or other linux computer around?
[22:25] <Bo_DK> craag: yes but gps will not fit there
[22:25] <Mik_WD8MNV> http://io9.com/that-moment-when-a-high-altitude-balloon-ventures-a-lit-1357411210
[22:26] <Bo_DK> craag: made a cape for BBB so it stacks on top of BBB
[22:26] <Mik_WD8MNV> pix of a balloon burst
[22:26] <Bo_DK> craag: but how do you enable uart under ubuntu?
[22:26] <craag> Yeah, I'm just thinking you should get used to the application under an easier system before jumping in at the deep end
[22:27] <Bo_DK> is amstrong distro more easy than ubuntu?
[22:27] <craag> Well there's more support/examples around for ubuntu/debian
[22:27] <Bo_DK> ok
[22:27] <Bo_DK> then my idea is not that bad
[22:27] <craag> I don't know how to enable uart, it just worked for me.
[22:28] <craag> mfa298: I'm having issues with your GPS..
[22:28] <Bo_DK> great... then i think its simply on default
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[22:30] <Bo_DK> deep breath.... going to flash ubuntu
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[22:31] <Bo_DK> crash_18974: born in a revolver door?
[22:32] <crash_18974> Bo_DK: yea sorry, my internet is sucking more than it usually sucks
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[22:33] <Bo_DK> crash_18974: if it sucks as much as my skills at programming then i know how you feel
[22:33] <Bo_DK> virgin media?
[22:34] <crash_18974> Bo_DK: no, it's a small wireless ISP, and I have 4 hops to get to the fiber.
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[22:35] <Bo_DK> crash_18974: thats a lot... anything you can do about it?
[22:35] <crash_18974> Bo_DK: I could move :P
[22:36] <Bo_DK> yeah i guess they dont listen to complaints
[22:37] <crash_18974> I'm going to call them again tomorrow. I don't think they know what they are doing to tell you the truth.
[22:38] <Bo_DK> well i'm trying to do a network for 170 flats
[22:38] <Bo_DK> one fiber
[22:38] <Bo_DK> then first beem wireless to a router... and then to 3 other routers
[22:38] <Bo_DK> its 4 buildings
[22:39] <Bo_DK> each one seperated by road
[22:39] <Bo_DK> in fact its 5 routers as connection goes straight to router
[22:39] <Bo_DK> but its very basic to setup
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[22:41] <crash_18974> my packets have to travel about 40km through the air :(
[22:42] <Bo_DK> shit....
[22:42] <Bo_DK> my max wireless distance will be 80 meters
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[22:43] <Bo_DK> and the wireless backbone will be ringshaped
[22:44] <Bo_DK> to if something blocks at one point signal will just go the other way round
[22:44] <Bo_DK> to=so
[22:44] <crash_18974> yea, that's the other problem I have. One tower looses electricity and half the county goes dark.
[22:46] <gonzo_> the UK power gridd is pretty well meshed, but there are littel islands with sinlge feeds in. I'm in one of them
[22:46] <Bo_DK> hehehe.... well build grid here in denmark too
[22:46] <gonzo_> when a scrap yard burnt down a few years ago, it took out the main power feed.
[22:46] <Bo_DK> and we have 3 phase in the flat as standard
[22:47] <Bo_DK> almost every place has it
[22:47] <crash_18974> is B-13 on any of the web radios?
[22:47] <gonzo_> a friend used to be a government scientist, befor ehe retired. One thing he was tasked with was assessing the UK power grid's susseptability to terrorist attack
[22:47] <Bo_DK> and we also have district heating almost everywhere
[22:47] <Bo_DK> and if a link goes down they most of the time just reroute
[22:48] <gonzo_> he concluded that it was designed in the cold war and was built to withstand nuclear attack
[22:48] <Bo_DK> gonzo_: what about todays phone network?
[22:49] <gonzo_> that is becoming weak
[22:49] <gonzo_> they are starting to roll out the fibre to box systems here.
[22:49] <Bo_DK> i remember that in the uk they in fact dublicated the networks exchange centrals underground
[22:49] <gonzo_> I did ask the question, what happens in a p9ower outage
[22:49] <Bo_DK> just in case
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[22:50] <Bo_DK> i just wish i could get fibre....
[22:50] <gonzo_> the box in the street dies. Where as the old twisted pair back to the exchange will run on the exchange batts for a long time
[22:50] <Bo_DK> i can if i have 600£ buring holes in my pocket
[22:51] <gonzo_> fibre has just arrived here but they want too much extra £ for it
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[22:51] <gonzo_> think it';s £15 per month extra
[22:51] <Bo_DK> yeah... seems fair for the monthly price
[22:51] <gonzo_> I just dont need the speed. Only need the permenant connectivity
[22:52] <Bo_DK> for my little 170 flat project we plan on a 1Gigabit fiber
[22:52] <gonzo_> adsl is £6/mth, I'll stick with that
[22:52] <craag> mfa298: False alarm, forgot it's 4800 baud :P
[22:52] <Bo_DK> but not sure that it will lift hte ground
[22:53] <craag> 170 flats is a lot to link up
[22:53] <craag> wired connections in each?
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> craag: 5 megabits to each is a hell of a speed.
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[22:55] <SpeedEvil> craag: i guess if you want to be future proof
[22:55] <SpeedEvil> 6
[22:55] <craag> And that's ~5mb if everyone is using it
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> quite
[22:56] <Bo_DK> craag almost
[22:56] <craag> 3am, woop gigabit!
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> craag: Are you going to be in one of the flats?
[22:56] <Bo_DK> craag: from fiber to router....
[22:56] <craag> SpeedEvil: No..
[22:56] <craag> I'm in the UK
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> ;)
[22:56] Action: SpeedEvil grrs.
[22:56] <craag> with a 60Mbit Cable line
[22:56] <Bo_DK> from there to another router... then split up in 2 wired for that first building
[22:56] Action: SpeedEvil is stuck on 2.5.
[22:57] <Bo_DK> craag: then wireless to next building... split up in 2 wired... wireless to next... same deal until i reach building no 4
[22:57] <craag> SO wireless links between buildings, and wired to the flats.
[22:57] <craag> Sounds good.
[22:57] <Bo_DK> yep
[22:58] <Bo_DK> only backbone is wireless
[22:58] <Bo_DK> cable under the road is to expensive and to troublesome
[22:58] <Bo_DK> loads of permits etc
[22:58] <craag> Yeah, erm ubiquiti do some very nice point-to-point 5GHz gear.
[22:59] <Bo_DK> craag: yes i know... just to expensive and i dont think they can deliver gigabit over air
[22:59] <craag> Noel G8GTZ uses a pair to get 4Mbit real throughput over about 5km to his hilltop radio transmitter.
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> Bo_DK: naah
[22:59] <craag> What are you using then if those are too expensive?
[23:00] <Bo_DK> tp-links C7 router... should go 1,3 giga.. but assume a 20% loss
[23:00] <Bo_DK> ac1750 its called
[23:00] <craag> :/
[23:00] <Bo_DK> but going to replace the antennas with directional ones
[23:00] <craag> I hope you're at least flashing the firmware
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> Bo_DK: permits - who needs permits?
[23:00] <Bo_DK> also the internals ones
[23:00] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Grundomat-Pneumatic-Mole-55mm-Moling-/130988519455?hash=item1e7f86301f
[23:01] <Bo_DK> craag: you cant yet...
[23:01] <Bo_DK> only the stock firmware allows that speed over air
[23:01] <Bo_DK> would have gone dd-wrt or open-wrt
[23:01] <craag> I've had good experience with the TP-link gear, but their stock software is quite awful.
[23:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHksCKzXC_g
[23:01] <Bo_DK> but they are not there yet
[23:01] <craag> But, for that kind of project, I'd pay to get decent gear.
[23:02] <Bo_DK> craag: i agree.... take some getting used to
[23:02] <craag> There's a reason ubiquiti stuf is expensive, it's well-tested and reliable.
[23:02] <Bo_DK> but i mainly need them for the link only....
[23:02] <Bo_DK> and once setup is done i should not need to touch it again
[23:02] <Bo_DK> other than to reset and load same settings
[23:02] <craag> TP-link I'd trust every day for a home router where I can walk over and reboot it once a week or so.
[23:02] <Bo_DK> or replace
[23:03] <craag> But not for an installation really.
[23:03] <Bo_DK> i have very short distance to all of them
[23:03] <Bo_DK> first one 20 meters away
[23:03] <Bo_DK> and from there the others max 80 meters away
[23:04] <craag> Yeah I guess if you have monitoring and alerts set up it's not so bad, as long as you're around 24/7!
[23:05] <Bo_DK> i'm... live here... very rarely get outside
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[23:06] <Bo_DK> have social fobia.... or dont know whats it called in the uk
[23:06] <Bo_DK> but can get panic attacks just knowing i have to get out to much
[23:06] <Bo_DK> short walk etc are ok
[23:06] <Bo_DK> if i'm alone its better
[23:07] <craag> ok fair enough
[23:07] <Bo_DK> but small places and loads of people make me dizzy
[23:07] <craag> I'm just saying it might make your life easier to go with kit designed for point-to-point links
[23:07] <Bo_DK> but i think the biggest problem with such an install is if people poke their fingers where they should not
[23:08] <craag> absolutely. locked boxes ftw.
[23:08] <Bo_DK> i would.... but people arround here are cheap bastards
[23:08] <Bo_DK> so if it should ever get the green light it has to be as cheap as possib le
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[23:17] <Bo_DK> think i better hit the sack....
[23:17] <Bo_DK> dooh
[23:17] <Bo_DK> girlfriend gets up in about 1 hour....
[23:17] <Bo_DK> going on a weeks hol on crete
[23:17] <Bo_DK> so better get coffee made etc
[23:18] <DL1SGP> hehe you could listen for B-11 or B-12 tumbling by :D
[23:18] <DL1SGP> sleep well Bo, gonna call it a day myself
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> good night :)
[23:21] <DL1SGP> Danke Lunar_Lander
[23:21] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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