highaltitude.log.20130824

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[04:06] <Joel_re> when parsing gps data
[04:06] <Joel_re> do I need to worry about storing them as strings or thier real type
[04:06] <Joel_re> floats etc
[04:07] <Joel_re> I was hoping to do some gps fencing
[04:07] <Joel_re> might need it for that
[04:07] <Joel_re> but nothing else
[04:08] <Randomskk> you probably want their real type so you can transmit as decimal degrees (NMEA has degs and minutes which is a bit more annoying)
[04:08] <Randomskk> but habitat does support transmitting decimal degrees. just make sure to check the direction so you can add a negative sign if required.
[04:08] <Randomskk> uh. does support transmitting degrees and minutes*
[04:14] <Joel_re> Randomskk: oh ok, thanks for the pointer
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[06:43] <tweetBot> @daveake: Raspberry Pi bear to take on Felix Baumgartners space jump- The Inquirer http://t.co/XSzjyEAaww via @INQ #RaspberryPi #UKHAS
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[08:01] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Morning all
[08:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey chrisstubbsM6EDF Good Morning
[08:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was just saying how quiet it was...
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[08:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> haha
[08:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> give it a couple of hours
[08:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> planning to got for 11 again nopw
[08:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Chris
[08:08] <Darkside> so any UK stations got good HF capability?
[08:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Conditions not great ust now
[08:08] <Darkside> just workd a scottish station on 20m
[08:08] <Darkside> and hearing a G4
[08:08] <Darkside> conditions are fading out though
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[08:11] <m3eav> darkside, got 20m :-) don;t knwo abotu good!
[08:11] <Darkside> what antenna setup and power?
[08:12] <m3eav> only licensed for 10 watts using a 20m inverted V but not up properly, just doing psk31 at present, been getting me out to khazakstan though
[08:13] <m3eav> will get proper antennas etc setup at some point using a TS-2000
[08:13] <m3eav> can put 15m and 40m up lso using home made end fed, also works okay
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[08:14] <Darkside> ah
[08:14] <Darkside> 10w wont get this far
[08:14] <m3eav> where you at/
[08:15] <m3eav> depends on mode
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[08:16] <Darkside> heh
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[08:16] <Darkside> working portugal on 20m psk31 atm
[08:16] <Darkside> :P
[08:16] <m3eav> ok
[08:16] <Darkside> CT4RC
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[08:17] Action: LazyLeopard needs better HF antennas...
[08:18] <m3eav> got a few on psk31 atm
[08:18] Action: fsphil needs to turn his solar inverter off to hear anything
[08:18] <Darkside> heh
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[08:19] <Darkside> fsphil: i have that problem at a frinds house
[08:19] <GMT> I've got a good HF setup, listening to Angola last night; sadly, on receive
[08:19] <Darkside> thankfully it talks modbus over ethernet
[08:19] <Darkside> so i could turn it off with a pythons cript
[08:19] <Darkside> m3eav: can yo hear me on 20m?
[08:19] <fsphil> yea, I need to setup some kind of remote switch sometime
[08:19] <Darkside> im just finishing a QSO
[08:19] <m3eav> call?
[08:19] <Darkside> VK5QI
[08:19] <fsphil> I'm not setup to transmit at the moment, typical
[08:20] <Darkside> ill call CQ on 14071.5
[08:20] <m3eav> i see someone working you
[08:20] <Darkside> as in, tone will be there
[08:20] <Darkside> he just finished working me
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[08:20] <Darkside> im calling CQ
[08:20] <m3eav> unlikley i will get vk on 10:-) maybe using WSPR :-)
[08:20] <Darkside> pff
[08:20] <Darkside> WSPR doesnt count
[08:20] <m3eav> lol
[08:21] <Darkside> mt PSK carrier will be on 14071.315
[08:21] <m3eav> oh me nd my lowly m3......
[08:21] <Darkside> CQing now
[08:22] <fsphil> tuned to 14.070
[08:22] <fsphil> I can hear something
[08:23] <Darkside> pff
[08:23] <Darkside> you need fldigi open
[08:23] <Darkside> gt it decoding
[08:23] <fsphil> have
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[08:23] <Darkside> well im CQ'ing again
[08:23] <fsphil> what's the offset? 1315 I guess...
[08:23] <Darkside> yeah
[08:23] <Darkside> if you cant se the trace in the waterfall, then you wont decode it
[08:24] <fsphil> yea there's other traces
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[08:24] <ibanezmatt13> Morning from launch site :)
[08:24] <fsphil> ah wait
[08:24] <Darkside> open up th signal browser fsphil
[08:24] <Darkside> view -> signal browser
[08:24] <Darkside> it'll decode everything in the passband
[08:24] <Chetic> for 434mhz/70cm, how long should the ground plane (the 4 pieces of stripped shielding if I understand things correctly) be in this type of payload antenna?: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R5zyNoIaHU4/UWrc2n6P6zI/AAAAAAAABTk/xsqZ0TyUdeU/s1600/IMG_2021.JPG
[08:25] <Darkside> Chetic: as logn as th emain element, or longer
[08:25] <fsphil> VK3FM
[08:25] <Darkside> hrm
[08:25] <Darkside> dont think its FM
[08:25] <Chetic> ok it doesn't have to match the main element? just main element length or longer?
[08:26] <Darkside> yes Chetic
[08:26] <Chetic> thank you
[08:26] <Darkside> fsphil: calling CQ again
[08:26] <Chetic> I've never seen a picture of the end of the main element so I don't quite understand how it fits
[08:26] <GMT> I've got my HF rx tuned to 14070 and feeding fl-digi
[08:26] <Chetic> that's just the inner part of the coax cut off, right?
[08:26] <Darkside> fsphil: so i take it you cant hear me
[08:26] <Darkside> i cant really up power any more on my end
[08:26] <fsphil> no sign of it
[08:26] <Darkside> else i'll kill my tuner
[08:27] <fsphil> gqrx is overmodulating...
[08:27] <GMT> I see/saw VK4FM calling
[08:27] <Darkside> hrm
[08:27] <Darkside> VK3FM
[08:27] <Darkside> hes talking to the portugal station
[08:27] <m3eav> ct4rc, im7qm, ha
[08:27] <fsphil> yea I saw the 3FM station
[08:27] <Darkside> im now at 40W
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[08:28] <Darkside> im just gonna call CQ over and over
[08:28] <Darkside> lol
[08:28] <Darkside> GMT: can you see me?
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[08:28] <fsphil> gqrx just crashed
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[08:28] <GMT> Darkside: what ham call?
[08:29] <Darkside> woah
[08:29] <Darkside> someone coming back
[08:29] <Darkside> i'm VK5QI
[08:29] <fsphil> DUH, fldigi was recording from the laptop mic
[08:30] <x-f> Chetic, this may help - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:payloadantenna
[08:30] <Darkside> hrm, theres a DS station coming back
[08:30] <Darkside> couldnt catch his call
[08:30] <Darkside> DS5VTG
[08:30] <fsphil> M0JLS -- haha
[08:31] <Darkside> wat
[08:31] <Darkside> south korea
[08:31] <Darkside> lol
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[08:31] <fsphil> you still on 1315? there's something there but faint
[08:31] <Darkside> im talking to a south korean
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[08:32] <fsphil> gone now
[08:32] <Chetic> definitely helps x-f. don't know how I missed it. thanks
[08:33] <Darkside> fsphil: you're probably hearing the south korean
[08:33] <Darkside> he'll be keying up in a sec
[08:33] <Darkside> hes up now
[08:33] <fsphil> nah
[08:34] <fsphil> there's something now
[08:34] <Darkside> hrm
[08:34] <Darkside> stopped now?
[08:34] <Darkside> im txing now
[08:34] <fsphil> ?Q4RN
[08:34] <fsphil> was a CQ call
[08:34] <Darkside> not me then
[08:35] <Darkside> must be someone else on frequency
[08:35] <Darkside> i can try calling CQ with olivia or something
[08:35] <fsphil> ooh worth a try
[08:35] <Darkside> yeah
[08:35] <Darkside> lemme finish this call
[08:35] <Darkside> gotta go QRT soon tho
[08:35] <Darkside> ok
[08:36] <Darkside> go 14073
[08:36] <Darkside> Olivia 32/1K
[08:36] <Darkside> centered on 1500Hz
[08:36] <fsphil> dial set to 14073
[08:36] <Darkside> yep
[08:36] <Darkside> offset is 1500 in fldigi
[08:36] <Darkside> and Olivia-32-1K mode
[08:36] <Darkside> ill call CQ
[08:37] <fsphil> mode, and offset 1500
[08:37] <fsphil> there seems to be a data mode popping up right in the middle of that
[08:37] <Darkside> hrm
[08:37] <Darkside> might be something local to you
[08:37] <fsphil> it transmits briefly
[08:37] <Darkside> nothing here
[08:37] <Darkside> i just called CQ
[08:37] <fsphil> nothing that looks like text here
[08:37] <Darkside> uhm
[08:37] <Darkside> ok
[08:38] <Darkside> lets go Olivia-4-250
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[08:38] <Darkside> where was clear for you?
[08:38] <Darkside> was 1000Hz offset clear?
[08:38] <fsphil> it is
[08:38] <Darkside> ok
[08:38] <fsphil> ready
[08:38] <Darkside> Olivia 4-250
[08:38] <Darkside> im TXing at 40W
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[08:39] <Darkside> finished
[08:39] <fsphil> negative
[08:39] <Darkside> im guessing you got nothing
[08:39] <Darkside> ok
[08:39] <Darkside> oh well
[08:39] <Darkside> worth a shot anyway
[08:39] <fsphil> conditions just not right
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[08:39] <craag> Hmm I should get HF set up at some point.. could give 400W a go!
[08:40] <Darkside> lol
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[08:40] <craag> WHat antenna are you guys using for 20m?
[08:40] <fsphil> powah!
[08:40] <Darkside> im using a delta loop
[08:40] <fsphil> I've a simple vertical
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[08:42] <craag> Ok.. I might see if I can do a vertical dipole on the fibreglass pole.
[08:43] <fsphil> the pole this is sitting on might effectivly make this a dipole
[08:43] <fsphil> well, a dipole slightly shorter on one side
[08:45] <Darkside> ok going QRT now
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[08:53] <cm13g09> morning all
[08:53] <cm13g09> aha - 1130 (aka 1230) launches
[08:53] <cm13g09> these I can handle
[08:54] <cm13g09> not going to Bristol until mid afternoon ;)
[08:56] <craag> morning cm13g09
[08:58] <cm13g09> morning craag
[08:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lovely weather for ballooning down here, they'll never get off the ground!
[08:58] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: bit damp is it?
[08:58] <cm13g09> certainly is here in Chelmsford
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[08:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> got ejected from my bed by a rather too close lighting bolt! No damage!
[08:59] <cm13g09> also, lol at SpaceNear's heading this weekend
[08:59] <LeoBodnar> A bit difficult to pierce these clouds with low lift foil
[08:59] <cm13g09> yeah, I bet
[08:59] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: ooh right
[09:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> 10mm of rain in the last 4 hours
[09:00] <cm13g09> wonderful
[09:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> think thats the highest I've recorded in 3 years
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[09:01] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: where I am, it's basically cloudy outside the window!
[09:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> its basically water outside mine 90% humidity to go with it ;-)
[09:02] <cm13g09> looovely
[09:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> My hourly graph has just lept for rain fall from 9.8mm to 19mm
[09:03] <chrisstubbs> hi cm13g09 missing out on the action today!
[09:03] <Piet0r> Hi
[09:04] <Piet0r> Are there any estimate launch times?
[09:04] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: well... am I?
[09:04] <cm13g09> I'm still in Essex until ~14:30
[09:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://weather.g8dhe.net/capture.jpg
[09:05] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: nice :P
[09:05] <x-f> Piet0r, 11:30 UTC ISH
[09:05] <Piet0r> \o/
[09:05] <cm13g09> ISH = International Standard HAB timezone
[09:05] <cm13g09> I love that one :P
[09:05] <cm13g09> used it at work the other day
[09:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://weather.g8dhe.net/wdl/
[09:05] <cm13g09> nobody got it
[09:06] <daveake_M6RPI> bacon time
[09:06] <PE2G> Hi Piet0r, will you be tracking today?
[09:06] <Piet0r> I am going to try :)
[09:06] <PE2G> OK
[09:07] <cm13g09> Geoff-G8DHE: wow, that barometer graph....
[09:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> It moved didn't it!
[09:07] <craag> cm13g09: chris stubbs is launching from cambridge I believe, that's where the action is!
[09:07] <cm13g09> lol
[09:07] <craag> (out in the wet and ankle deep in mud)
[09:08] <cm13g09> I'll leave them to it
[09:08] <cm13g09> I'll just get my tracker up and ready
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is this going to be a mass launch at 12:30 I wonder
[09:08] <PE2G> Piet0r: I'm east of you, so you'll get signals first
[09:08] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: I hope so :D
[09:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> I can't get 8 receivers on at the same time!
[09:09] <Piet0r> @PE2G Yeah Almelo, right?
[09:09] <PE2G> Right
[09:10] <PE2G> I think I'll go out for a swim first, nice weather here :)
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[09:11] <tugasoft> hello
[09:11] <tugasoft> how are things going? i can't see the streaming
[09:11] <craag> tugasoft: Not for a couple of hours yet
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[09:11] <tugasoft> craag: ok thx
[09:12] <craag> Launch at ~12:30, stream might start at ~11:30
[09:12] <craag> (UK time)
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[09:12] <tugasoft> wrong time zone for me i guess :)
[09:12] <tugasoft> ok
[09:12] <craag> 11:30, 10:30 UTC
[09:12] <tugasoft> i'm one hour ahead
[09:12] <craag> Ah ok
[09:13] <craag> so 12:30 stream, 13:30 launch
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[09:15] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: are you on for a Cambridge launch, or a Chelmsford launch
[09:18] <cm13g09> craag: DL-fldigi + FM radio = interesting decoding :P
[09:18] <cm13g09> I'll retune closer to launch time
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[09:19] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09 chelmsford
[09:19] <cm13g09> cool
[09:19] <cm13g09> so I stand a chance of RXing :P
[09:20] <cm13g09> take it you're still on for 11:30 UTC chrisstubbs?
[09:20] <chrisstubbs> 11ish
[09:20] <cm13g09> ok
[09:20] <cm13g09> cool
[09:20] <chrisstubbs> maybe 10:30
[09:20] <cm13g09> earlier is better ;)
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[09:20] <cm13g09> if you want me to track ;)
[09:20] <cm13g09> and it gives me more time for my tracking setup to work :P
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[09:20] Action: craag names Brightwalton a Fiesta for today (>1 launch!)
[09:23] <cm13g09> lol
[09:24] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: you're basically on top of GB3DA!
[09:24] <cm13g09> aren't you!?
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[09:31] <daveake_M6RPI> I thought a Fiesta was just 1 launch ....
[09:35] <fsphil> the sun is out!
[09:35] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> been nice and rainy all day here :)
[09:35] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> We are going to go and get filling, be back laters!
[09:35] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> launch at 11 probs
[09:35] <fsphil> g'luck!
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[09:38] <LazyLeopard> Chucking it down here....
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[09:41] <GMT> it's 'liquid sunshine' in west London, and it's heading eastwards
[09:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Drizzle in Crayford South of the Thames.
[09:45] <cm13g09> GMT: liquid sunshine appeared here too
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[09:48] <WillDuckworth> Anyone know the state of play with the flights?
[09:49] <craag> WillDuckworth: Coming soon..
[09:49] <chrisstubbs> in about 15-20 mins from us
[09:49] <chrisstubbs> just been setting up the car, fill time!
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[09:49] <Piet0r> I all set up :)
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[09:49] <Piet0r> .. for tracking, that is
[09:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Piet0r: I'm also set to track CHEAPO at the moment.
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[09:51] <daveake_M6RPI> off to launch site
[09:52] <Piet0r> Good luck
[09:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, best of luck to you Dave and Anthony!
[09:53] <Piet0r> @G0TDJ_Steve That is your balloon?
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[09:53] <WillDuckworth> craag - do you have that link with both streams on?
[09:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> No Piet0r its Chris Stubbs's I'm just a receiving station as yet.
[09:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> WillDuckworth: http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1321 s'cuse me Phil
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[09:55] <craag> WillDuckworth: I'll get it set up now :)
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[09:56] <Andy__> Has the Ted Bull Stratos set off yet?
[09:56] <WillDuckworth> good man - worked well last time
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[09:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Andy__: daveake_M6RPI Reported they were off to the launch site a few minutes ago
[09:58] Action: cm13g09 starts to prep for tuning
[09:59] <Andy__> Cool. Am watchng the tracker thing from NZ, wasn't sure if it was working!
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[09:59] <Upu_M0UPU> morning
[09:59] <Upu_M0UPU> at launch site
[09:59] Action: Geoff-G8DHE tunes into 434.3 RTTY
[09:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi Upu_M0UPU :D
[10:00] <craag> Does anyone have the URL for the second TV stream?
[10:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1321 both on there Phil
[10:01] <Upu_M0UPU> I've left my camera at home
[10:01] <craag> cheers G0TDJ_Steve
[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stream2 is running
[10:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> *Doh!* Upu_M0UPU
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[10:02] <Upu_M0UPU> windy and wet here
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[10:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> But rather odd luv the eyes
[10:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its M0UPU stream
[10:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Camera is metering off the sky so it's under exposing the image.
[10:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yay!
[10:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Must lend them a Fisheye
[10:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wish I lived closer to the launch site. I'd gladly film it all.
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[10:05] <RocketBoy_> about 20mis from launch here (NORB)
[10:05] <craag> WillDuckworth: http://insecure.thecraag.com/ukhastv.html
[10:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks for the update Steve
[10:06] <craag> Let me know if you'd like any tweaks to it!
[10:06] <Piet0r> Nice videostream :)
[10:06] <cm13g09> any news on chrisstubbsM6EDF?
[10:06] <cm13g09> and CHEAPO
[10:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Chris currently filling balloon
[10:06] <cm13g09> okies
[10:06] <cm13g09> in the rain
[10:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Must be!
[10:07] <cm13g09> by the looks of what I've got out of my window ;)
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[10:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, not good down here in Crayford either
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[10:08] <Piet0r> All frequencies are in the upper side band right?
[10:08] <fsphil> yes
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[10:09] <fsphil> the one true sideband :)
[10:10] <m3eav_> because LSB i s a lie....:-)
[10:10] <Piet0r> :')
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[10:13] <GMT> LSB is the 'Dark Side' - don't be seduced by the dark side
[10:13] <m3eav_> actually LSB is a myth created by Icom, Yaesu and Kenwood decades ago to get people into buying the latest model radio's
[10:13] <Piet0r> I shall not
[10:13] <fsphil> just one tweak craag, can you give me a laptop with a bigger screen ;)
[10:14] <craag> lol fsphil
[10:14] <craag> can give you just the two video feeds if you want.
[10:14] <craag> (on another page)
[10:14] <fsphil> nah tis okie, I'm gonna fire up the big PC shortly
[10:15] <fsphil> I've got three screens on the desk -- spacenear, streams and ssdv
[10:15] <craag> It's set up for my 1280x1024 screen at the moment.
[10:15] <fsphil> well I will have shortly
[10:15] <craag> Nice
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[10:16] <fsphil> I spot a daveake
[10:16] <craag> a rather glowing one!
[10:16] <fsphil> that's why they call it Brightwalton
[10:16] <craag> hehe
[10:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
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[10:17] <fsphil> doggie walk time
[10:17] Action: mfa298 needs more screens (one laptop screen isn't enough for spacenear, sdr-console, however many copies of dl-fldigi I need, some putty windows for code and a putty window for irc.
[10:17] <g8kbz> Anyone know how to get rid of the frequencies display on spacenear?
[10:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> mfa298: Know what you mean, I'm cramped into two
[10:18] Action: Piet0r loves his dual screen setup :z
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[10:18] <mfa298> g8kbz: there should be a bit on the bottom of the frquencies list which shrinks it
[10:18] <Piet0r> Or just remove the element from the DOM ;)
[10:19] <mattbrejza> or habhub.org/mt
[10:19] Action: cm13g09 feels sorry for chrisstubbsM6EDF
[10:19] <cm13g09> it's just started buckting down here
[10:19] <g8kbz> got it. Thanks mfa298
[10:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Must be getting drenched!
[10:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> M6EDF Chase on the map
[10:19] <mfa298> Piet0r: I'm not at my normal qth so don't have the extra screens to use.
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[10:21] <ChrisstubbsM> Waiting for lock...
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[10:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning LeoBodnar
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[10:22] <LeoBodnar> morning!
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[10:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> I saw your name on the conference list :-) Glad you can come.
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[10:25] <cm13g09> ChrisstubbsM: ok, cool
[10:25] <cm13g09> You must be getting quite wet out there....
[10:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE on the map :D
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[10:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> and PAVA
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> :) I will try to
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[10:27] <ChrisstubbsM> They are beating me!
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Go Chris Go
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[10:29] <g8kbz> First attempt at tracking today - trying PIE. When the audibility circle covers West London.
[10:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> g8kbz: You should be fine.
[10:30] <g8kbz> We shall see. Antenna is very non-optimum
[10:30] <Piet0r> Will they go east?
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Predictions say West
[10:30] <Piet0r> :/
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> but not very far see the Bullseyes
[10:30] <Piet0r> But I'm situated east :p
[10:31] <cm13g09> ChrisstubbsM: got a lock yet?
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[10:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: It would appear on Tracker if there was a lock.
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[10:32] <cm13g09> ah, true
[10:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> He's drinking the ballast!
[10:32] <cm13g09> lol
[10:32] <WillDuckworth> cheers craag - http://insecure.thecraag.com/ukhastv.html
[10:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE SSDV Images coming through on: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[10:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Correction TED
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[10:37] <GMT> g8kbz: where are you in w london?
[10:37] <g8kbz> GMT: Ealing
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[10:39] <WillDuckworth> is that liz from raspberrypi?
[10:39] Nick change: chrisstubbs6 -> cstubbs
[10:39] <cstubbs> This irc client is terrible
[10:39] <cstubbs> Still nothing, think the battery is too close to the chip antenna
[10:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> WillDuckworth: Likely, I think I spotted Eben Upton earlier
[10:39] <cstubbs> Just moved it and testing again
[10:39] <GMT> g8kbz: okay, I'm in Hayes ... not too far. don't see your entry on the spacenear map?
[10:39] <craag> WillDuckworth: yep
[10:40] <craag> They're both there.
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[10:40] <g8kbz> GMT: dl-fldigi not running yet. Waiting to hear signals manually
[10:41] <g8kbz> Then I'll fire up a decoder
[10:41] <GMT> on BATV: the ceremonial opening of the ballooon-box with wire-cutters
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> How will you know its the right signal - decode rtty by ear ;-)
[10:42] <arko> morning
[10:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Morning arko
[10:42] <g8kbz> Listening on 434.250 USB. That's Pie, is it not?
[10:42] <GMT> g8kbz: suggest getting it up and running asap, so you're not rushed when it all happens
[10:42] <g8kbz> You have a point. AFK to do that now.
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need to config the DL config section with your location if you haven't tried it before
[10:44] <fsphil> ah, I see the Pi folk on the ssdv page
[10:44] <Piet0r> They are inflating now
[10:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake_M6RPI: filling balloon
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[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> WOW! It's windoy over there!
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> That's going to be afun launch!
[10:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Windy even
[10:45] <Piet0r> Yeah not looking good
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[10:46] <GMT> very breezy there, not a breath of wind in w london
[10:46] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: how goes?
[10:47] <chrisstubbs> still no lock
[10:47] <cm13g09> :(
[10:47] <chrisstubbs> ripped the tracker apart and moved the battery
[10:47] <fsphil> rather breezy there
[10:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs: It took ages for ???'s tracker to lock some weeks ago in Southampton - Can't remember if you were monitoring. He just had to wait.
[10:50] <craag> G0TDJ_Steve: That was due to a ground plane next to the antenna.
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[10:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ahh, OK craag
[10:52] <craag> I've been playing around with a few combinations of these pages. For just BATC and ssdv: http://insecure.thecraag.com/tedTv.html
[10:52] <craag> And for when it's in the air: http://insecure.thecraag.com/tedTrack.html
[10:52] <cm13g09> craag: that page of yours works awesomely on 1920x1080 :P
[10:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool stuff Phil :D
[10:53] <craag> Good to hear :)
[10:54] <cm13g09> although, yes, looks seriously seriously windy over there
[10:54] <craag> NORB up
[10:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Looks like NORB is up
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[10:54] <ibanezmatt13> launch!
[10:54] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[10:55] <x-f> nice :)
[10:55] <fsphil> Nice one!!
[10:55] <fsphil> no complications?
[10:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cool
[10:55] <ibanezmatt13> 100% perfect
[10:55] <ibanezmatt13> so far
[10:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Listening .650
[10:55] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: congrats :D
[10:55] <ibanezmatt13> thanks!
[10:55] <g8kbz> I'm back... and hating Norton Antivirus File Insight. Because it knows about less than 100 users, it arbitrarily deletes the installer, without so much as a by-your-leave.
[10:55] <ibanezmatt13> really need help tracking, our equipment isn't great
[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> We are listening
[10:56] <cm13g09> ibanezmatt13: I'm tuned to 434.650
[10:56] <fsphil> g8kbz: your first problem there is Norton :)
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[10:56] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[10:56] <cm13g09> the ant and horizons haven't really got to me yet though
[10:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: I'll track for a while once NORB clears terrain
[10:56] <ibanezmatt13> thank you!
[10:57] <GMT> think I've got it ...
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[10:57] <cm13g09> GMT: got a frequency?
[10:58] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[10:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> 434.650
[10:58] <cm13g09> it's actually spot on is it?
[10:58] <cm13g09> ok
[10:58] <chrisstubbs> Nice one ibanezmatt13, doing better than me!
[10:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing recieved yet, just going with info
[10:59] <craag> Got it on the waterfall in soton
[10:59] <mattbrejza> rx in soton
[10:59] <craag> arggh!
[11:00] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: PAVA just appeared on the waterfall up here
[11:00] <mikestir> no decode yet
[11:00] <ibanezmatt13> brilliant!
[11:00] <mikestir> pretty good as it's only just cleared my horizon
[11:00] <g8kbz> indeed, fsphil. This is on a 1.6GHz netbook. I'll have to change computers, to one without paranoid antivirus
[11:00] <cm13g09> craag: I'm evidently doing something wrong with my RTLSDR
[11:00] <Nerdsville> NORB and PAVA coming through nicely in Newark
[11:00] <Upu_M0UPU> very windy
[11:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> mattbrejza: What frequency please?
[11:00] <Upu_M0UPU> struggling with fill
[11:00] <Piet0r> Getting closer to my QTH :)
[11:01] <mattbrejza> 540
[11:01] <GMT> got it in London, and decoding
[11:01] <mattbrejza> 650 even
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers
[11:01] <mattbrejza> also ADC001 :/
[11:01] <Nerdsville> PAVA drifting widely mind
[11:01] <cm13g09> I am seeing precisely nothing on my waterfall :P
[11:02] <GMT> g8hbz: that's why you needed to be ready!
[11:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nothing here in Crayford yet ibanezmatt13
[11:02] <mikestir> first $$PAVA
[11:02] <cm13g09> I'm nearly inside the green horizon....
[11:02] <cm13g09> and still can't see it :P
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[11:02] <ibanezmatt13> ahright
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: You may be like me, terrain in the way.
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[11:03] <WillTablet> Hi
[11:03] <mattbrejza> is someone testing near soton?
[11:03] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: probably, I've got a south facing wall, and I'm in the bottom of a dip as well!
[11:03] <mikestir> i can't see NORB at all on the waterfall
[11:03] <WillTablet> How's the launch(es) going?
[11:03] <mikestir> is it accurate?
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Yeah, very similar to me
[11:03] <WillTablet> Remind me who's launching today?
[11:03] <GMT> G0TDJ_Steve: try tuning up and down a little, may not be exactly .650
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> WillTablet: NORB is up
[11:03] <ibanezmatt13> WillTablet: NORB launched
[11:04] <WillTablet> Good
[11:04] <WillTablet> Congrats
[11:04] <number10_M0MDB> signal is good on NORB ibanezmatt13
[11:04] <ibanezmatt13> GMT: I'm on 434.6458
[11:04] <mattbrejza> $$ABC001,17981,11:03:21,540191644,608196780,13976,0*5806 ?
[11:04] <WillTablet> Where'd it heading
[11:04] <WillTablet> ?
[11:04] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: me too
[11:04] <mikestir> oh there's NORB
[11:04] <ibanezmatt13> cool Randomskk
[11:04] <G8LZE> 646.42 here
[11:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> GMT: Tuning
[11:04] <mikestir> 644 ish
[11:04] <G8LZE> USB
[11:05] <WillTablet> Are Ted and Pava going up today?
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[11:05] <Nerdsville> seems to help if you turn the squelch off in dl-fldigi for NORB
[11:06] <fsphil> you should always have the squelch off
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[11:06] <Nerdsville> new install fsphil on another laptop, missed it and wasn't getting the decode
[11:07] <WillTablet> Oh and surely you could have made the sentence shorter by having flight mode being 1 or 0,not True or False?
[11:07] <fsphil> they're really fighting that balloon
[11:07] <fsphil> hehe
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[11:08] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 I would try and track it with my wire but I'm up north atm so I can't.
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[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, its ok
[11:08] <WillTablet> It better be :-)
[11:08] <fsphil> man this is hard to watch
[11:08] <WillTablet> If I had an antenna I'd track it.
[11:09] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: first green
[11:09] <WillTablet> Upu are pava and ted going up today?
[11:09] <GMT> LeoBodnar: B10 on the map, planning a flight?
[11:09] <LeoBodnar> Yep
[11:09] <GMT> any clues as to a launch time?
[11:10] <ibanezmatt13> cool mikestir
[11:10] <WillTablet> Are pava and ted going up tomorrow or today?
[11:10] <charolastra> any live video from todays balloons?
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://insecure.thecraag.com/ukhastv.html
[11:10] <number10_M0MDB> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=5&id=768
[11:11] <mfa298> WillTablet: everything listed on spacenear.us should be going up today.
[11:11] <WillTablet> Matt if it lands in kirkham, I'll go and get it for you.
[11:11] <craag> or http://insecure.thecraag.com/tedTv.html take your pick! :)
[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> haha cool
[11:11] <WillTablet> I don't suppose there's a batc app?
[11:11] <craag> no
[11:11] <charolastra> hehe, thanks
[11:11] <WillTablet> I could whip my netbook out though. What time's launch?
[11:11] <arko> nice LeoBodnar
[11:12] <fsphil> I can stream my next launch in HD, but it won't work in a browser -- only vlc or mplayer, or a raspberry pi
[11:12] <arko> LeoBodnar: what's the board?
[11:12] <craag> fsphil: ?
[11:12] <charolastra> vlc is fine with the audience here
[11:12] <fsphil> craag: I've got a program that serves up the raw h.264 stream from the pi camera
[11:13] <craag> Ah ok, does that not work with JWplayer?
[11:13] <fsphil> not tried actually
[11:13] <WillTablet> So I can't view the stream on android?
[11:13] <craag> Also you have fibre at the launch site?
[11:13] <craag> :P
[11:13] <craag> WillTablet: If my pages don't work, no.
[11:13] <fsphil> craag: yes :)
[11:13] <craag> Fair enough!
[11:13] <fsphil> lol
[11:13] <fsphil> well one of my launch sites
[11:14] <arko> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/371228202879836161
[11:14] <arko> hahaha
[11:14] Action: cm13g09 struggles to track NORB
[11:14] <WillTablet> When's my mate Babbage going up?
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[11:14] <fsphil> lol that's a great picture
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[11:15] <fsphil> WillTablet: very shortly
[11:16] <fsphil> looks like they're waiting for a gap in the wind
[11:16] <arko> rough
[11:16] <Piet0r> Looks scary
[11:16] <fsphil> very
[11:16] Action: cm13g09 is will inside the 5 deg horizon and can't get NORB :(
[11:17] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: any sign of it at yours?
[11:17] <number10_M0MDB> its not eevn lifting the payload
[11:17] <number10_M0MDB> or the chute
[11:17] <number10_M0MDB> cant really see
[11:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: Have signal at 434.647 but it's not decoding and it's very unstable
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[11:17] <GMT> G0TDJ_Steve: you will need to open up the bandwidth filter to approx 300
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[11:18] <Babs___> Yo arko
[11:18] <arko> oh snap
[11:18] <arko> almost launching
[11:18] <arko> sup Babs___
[11:18] <fsphil> away!!
[11:18] <charolastra> here we go
[11:18] <arko> woo!
[11:18] <fsphil> ooh sneaky, second launch line
[11:18] <Babs___> You know you said you had never been to the uk before? I spotted evidence yesterday in our cake factory that you had
[11:18] <Babs___> http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0096009/photos/91049302@N00/9575390927/
[11:19] <Ugi_> HI guys - none of these manifold payloads showing on the tracker for me
[11:19] <fsphil> hah
[11:19] <arko> Babs___: haha
[11:19] <arko> nice!
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[11:19] <arko> im a shoe!
[11:19] <arko> but misspelled
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[11:19] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: !
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> jesus
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> TED up
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> far too windy
[11:19] <cm13g09> Babs___: you've really put your foot in it this time ;)
[11:19] <Upu_M0UPU> mine is cancelled
[11:19] <arko> Wooooo!!
[11:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done Anthony!
[11:19] <Babs___> Go Ted!
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> I've lost it, what's the freq of norb?
[11:19] <fsphil> that looked mighty scary Upu_M0UPU
[11:19] <Babs___> cm13g09: :-)
[11:20] <arko> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/371230163255570433
[11:20] <arko> the look on daveake is hilarious
[11:20] <fsphil> lol
[11:20] <cm13g09> lol
[11:20] <fsphil> the launch dance
[11:20] <Upu_M0UPU> was a night mate
[11:20] <Upu_M0UPU> mare
[11:20] <Upu_M0UPU> we did the second line
[11:20] <Upu_M0UPU> but it snagged
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[11:20] <fsphil> we all do it
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[11:21] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: 1 balloon total?
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[11:21] <Babs___> That is a quality photo of daveake
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[11:21] <Babs___> Unadulterated joy. And why not.
[11:22] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23815563
[11:22] <Laurenceb_> lolling
[11:22] <fsphil> nobody's decoding PIE yet
[11:22] <Babs___> Hopefully ted's visor will not mist up. It's happened before.
[11:22] <fsphil> though TED will have far more interesting images
[11:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: LOCK LD
[11:22] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: is PAVA PAVA-A?
[11:23] <WillTablet> Upu, so of the three payloads, you decided to only launch one?
[11:23] <daveake> well that was exciting
[11:23] <fsphil> it certainly was
[11:24] <arko> daveake: those pictures are priceless
[11:24] <fsphil> ah, PIE data coming in now
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> arko not radically new but solar panel version respin http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/IMG_1465.jpg
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> PAVA not flying
[11:24] <Upu_M0UPU> Just powered it all down
[11:24] <arko> LeoBodnar: !!!!!!
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[11:24] <fsphil> that is sexy, LeoBodnar
[11:24] <arko> LeoBodnar: looks like the ISS :)
[11:25] <fsphil> oh great image from PIE
[11:25] <arko> nice work Leo :)
[11:25] <LeoBodnar> :)
[11:25] <craag> LeoBodnar: Looks fantastic!
[11:25] <GMT> LeoBodnar: looks great, just need an approx launch time
[11:25] <arko> LeoBodnar: got my board built today http://i.imgur.com/GnnPK3A.jpg
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[11:25] <LeoBodnar> GMT it's up
[11:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: Sorry, I got one sentance. Can't seem to get any more
[11:26] <craag> lol LeoBodnar
[11:26] <fsphil> TED seems to be danging a bit
[11:26] <GMT> LeoBodnar: frequency?
[11:26] <Martin_G4FUI> ibanezmatt13, solid here in Penrith for a while now ...
[11:26] <fsphil> a proper stratodangle
[11:26] <LeoBodnar> 434.510 MHz, 10kHz higher than usual
[11:26] <arko> PIE image 20 ay?
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[11:26] <fsphil> yea
[11:27] <fsphil> not surprised after that launch
[11:27] <arko> i should sleep but this is too coool
[11:27] <fsphil> lol
[11:27] <craag> Hopefully cutdown should still work
[11:27] <arko> its like 4:30am
[11:27] <LeoBodnar> I believe Upu is using 434.500MHz today - I have lost how many ?AVAs are flying
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[11:27] <fsphil> you should have went to bed at 8pm arko, got up early
[11:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Freq for TED please?
[11:28] <arko> i plan to convert to london time next weekend
[11:28] <LeoBodnar> Very strong wind here today with gusts. Not very foil friendly
[11:28] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: many things are flying
[11:28] <fsphil> switching to large images
[11:28] <arko> hehe
[11:28] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> CHEAPO is misbehaving
[11:28] <cm13g09> many things are flying
[11:29] <arko> TED has a gangsta lean
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[11:29] <cm13g09> and I am getting more and more frustrated that my setup is picking up *none* of them!
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[11:29] <fsphil> hey I'm still waiting on NORB
[11:29] <ibanezmatt13> :/
[11:29] Action: fsphil is very far away :)
[11:29] <ibanezmatt13> the wire going from the receiver is broken
[11:29] <LeoBodnar> Dave looks zero-pressured on this image https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/371230163255570433
[11:29] Action: arko is even further away
[11:29] <ibanezmatt13> are there any maplins or asdas or anything here???
[11:30] <WillTablet> There's one in Basingstoke :-)
[11:30] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: depends upon where 'here' is
[11:31] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Are you at elsworth?
[11:31] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 do you mean the south of england in general?
[11:31] <fsphil> my laptop is not big enough to contain this much awesomness. switching to the desktop PC
[11:31] <cm13g09> craag: are you able to give me a hand?
[11:31] <ibanezmatt13> look at NORB chase
[11:31] <jim_g3wgm> I'm decoding PIE and uploading. Can I see the images on a web site anywhere??
[11:31] <mikestir> rapid fading on PAVA there
[11:31] <mikestir> not burst has it?
[11:31] <Piet0r> Aero mint! :9
[11:31] <mikestir> hmm still going up
[11:31] <Piet0r> They do not sell that here in the Netherlands :/
[11:31] <ibanezmatt13> found one
[11:32] <GMT> jim_g3wgm: try ssdv.habhub.org
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[11:33] <craag> cm13g09: Post a screenshot and I can take a look.
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[11:33] <jim_g3wgm> GMT, got it, thanks!
[11:33] <cm13g09> craag: Teamviewer?
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[11:34] <craag> cm13g09: Erm ok
[11:34] <cm13g09> screenshot isn't exactly going to help much
[11:34] <cm13g09> I doubt
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[11:34] <AndyinNZ> PLease excuse my ignorance - but is all the tracking done by enthusiasts with an assortment of anything from super high tech to totally bodged antennae? I am watching from NZ after arriving via the Raspberry Pi site
[11:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: OK Getting locks from NORB now
[11:34] <cm13g09> AndyinNZ: pretty much
[11:35] <ibanezmatt13> Struggling here
[11:35] <cm13g09> I've got a bodge tracking setup I spent maybe £15-20 building
[11:35] <GMT> I'm using amateur gear, but could also use a cheap DVB-T dongle and home-built antenna
[11:35] <ibanezmatt13> diverting to asda :P
[11:35] <Martin_G4FUI> ibanezmatt13, 10-minute screen grabs of NORB in my waterfall at http://www.g4fui.net/qrss.html
[11:35] <iain_G4> Mine is deinately the bodged variety
[11:35] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 who's your chase driver?
[11:35] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: big signal from NORB now
[11:35] <WillTablet> And why you going to ASDA?
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> cable
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> green decode
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> still want a decent cable
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[11:36] <WillTablet> Cable??
[11:36] <WillTablet> As in coax_
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> no
[11:36] <mikestir> from asda?
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> for receiver
[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> i think they sell them
[11:36] <WillTablet> What kinda cable?
[11:37] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: you mean audio cable between RX and computer?
[11:37] <fsphil> took longer than expected to clear my desk
[11:37] <fsphil> I really must do this more often
[11:37] <GMT> I like the Reggie Perrin 'clear my desk' answer to the problem
[11:38] <fsphil> contrail on image 40?
[11:38] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13 poundland do them
[11:38] <chrisstubbs> a big asda might
[11:38] <chrisstubbs> maplin will
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[11:38] <chrisstubbs> in other news, cheapo7 is totally dead
[11:38] <fsphil> :/
[11:38] <chrisstubbs> struggling to maintain 1 sat in u-center
[11:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry to hear that chrisstubbs
[11:39] <GMT> better to find out now than after launch
[11:39] <chrisstubbs> worked perfect yesterday before i put it in the foam, think the static must have killed the ublox
[11:39] <chrisstubbs> i have a cheapo3a almost ready to go
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[11:39] <chrisstubbs> the balloon is filled, so going to go for a launch of the old board, give me 10mins to solder it up
[11:40] <chrisstubbs> brb
[11:40] <arko> pictures are lookin good
[11:40] <fsphil> this is more last minute than most chrisstubbs :)
[11:40] <fsphil> some high level cloud
[11:40] <mattbrejza> no habduino?
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[11:41] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, we'll head for asda while there's one near first chrisstubbs
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[11:42] <Billabongo> got a file full of gps test data from my ublox, is there a site i can upload to, to see the track
[11:42] <ibanezmatt13> NORB stopped transmitting
[11:43] <arko> alright it's 4:45, im out, night guys, good luck Upu and daveake
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> well, it's lost a lock
[11:43] <daveake> cheers gn
[11:43] <arko> i'll wake up to a cool gif :)
[11:43] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: this sounds a bit like what I thought I heard when you were up billinge hill
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> that bad?
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> oh wait
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> can someone change to pava?
[11:44] <number10_M0MDB> im on it ibanezmatt13
[11:44] <Piet0r> @Billabongo You can use Google Earth for that
[11:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> What do you mean ibanezmatt13 ?
[11:44] <m3eav_> wow TED just made big freq drift
[11:44] <ibanezmatt13> is anyone decoding norb?
[11:44] <fsphil> I'm about to try
[11:45] <number10_M0MDB> signal stopped so switched to pava ibanezmatt13
[11:45] <Billabongo> Piet0r, is there an option to upload a file?
[11:45] <ibanezmatt13> thanks number10_M0MDB
[11:45] <Martin_G4FUI> ibanezmatt13, same here
[11:45] <Upu_M0UPU> Hows ibanezmatt13 flight going |
[11:45] <Upu_M0UPU> ?
[11:46] <Piet0r> @Billabongo It's software you have to install
[11:46] <ibanezmatt13> Upu_M0UPU: err, 19km, stopped transmitting for now
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[11:46] <ibanezmatt13> relying on pava currently
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[11:47] <ibanezmatt13> I have one tone, the other one's gone. That normally only happens when there's no GPS
[11:47] <Upu_M0UPU> no carrier ?
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[11:47] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: it sounds like it's sending maybe 1 character
[11:47] <Piet0r> Normal GPS receivers do not work above 20KM right?
[11:47] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, it might start up again
[11:48] <GMT> I'm still monitoring NORB, but no decode
[11:48] <GMT> is it the issue with GPS above a certain height?
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[11:48] <ibanezmatt13> not sure
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm noy happy - lightning seems to have taken out my HabAmp this morning
[11:48] <Babs___> I've been forced to come out to a playground with a 2 year old
[11:48] <charolastra> Piet0r: only the ones you buy from the USA (or it's collonies)
[11:48] <LeoBodnar_> Martin_G4FUI: this picture of NORB on the waterfall you posted earlier is it freq drift or special digital mode?
[11:48] <Babs___> I feel like the only kid in class without a TV
[11:48] <Piet0r> Or Ebay ;)
[11:49] <Piet0r> as in; cheap Chine ones
[11:49] <Piet0r> *china
[11:49] <LeoBodnar_> I'll get you an 8-track for Xmas Babs___
[11:50] <LeoBodnar_> Upu_M0UPU: what was the problem that caused you to cancel one of the trackers?
[11:50] <Babs___> Thanks LeoBodnar_ - are you flying your mini iSS today?
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> incredibly windy
[11:51] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: I think we need to put your tracker in the same room as my RX
[11:51] <g8kbz> OK. After fighting paranoid antivirus and configuration funnies, I can now hear Pie or Ted - very weak, and not decoding. I'm about to give up. Does anyone have a spare tracker I could borrow for a few days to test my system? All expenses paid, of course.
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> we struggled to get Daves off the ground
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[11:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Old cheapo board is powered up outside but STILL no gps lock
[11:51] <cm13g09> :(
[11:51] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: you're about to lose me as a possible tracker
[11:52] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> its very cloudy over here, wonder if thats caused it
[11:52] <LeoBodnar_> Yes, I know. Had troubles launching the foil balloon too. It's too light!
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[11:52] Action: mfa298 discovers that the centre of the coax has broken off from the dipole element... that might explain the lack of signals
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[11:52] <cm13g09> mfa298: lol
[11:53] <cm13g09> nothing explains my lack of signals....
[11:55] <fsphil> drat, my FCD++ won't work at the end of a big extension cable
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[11:55] <g8kbz> voltage drop?
[11:55] <LeoBodnar_> Is everybody having hardware problems today? I had some damage to the payload too
[11:56] <LeoBodnar_> How long is long fsphil ?
[11:56] <mfa298> LeoBodnar_: seems like a few people are having issues.
[11:56] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar_: I'm having more issues than most :P
[11:56] <mfa298> I've now bodged mine and it's working
[11:56] <fsphil> LeoBodnar_: 5m
[11:56] <cm13g09> most people are getting *some* form of signal
[11:56] <cm13g09> I am not!
[11:56] <LeoBodnar_> SHould have made a sacrifice to HAB gods yesterday.
[11:57] <LeoBodnar_> *Gods, sorry chaps
[11:57] <GMT> g8kbz: maybe it's you RX, you need a reasonable signal to decode ... what RX?
[11:57] <fsphil> these images are getting good
[11:57] <g8kbz> Or to Jupiter Pluvious
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[11:57] <ibanezmatt13> nothing from norb yet?
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[11:58] <LeoBodnar_> Can SSDV image include altitude caption?
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[11:58] <cm13g09> mfa298: I *would* bring my stuff over for troubleshooting....
[11:58] <cm13g09> but...
[11:58] <g8kbz> GMT: FT-817, not the ND. It works fine elsewhere. I suspect extremely non-optimal aerial siting - just outside a south-facing window.
[11:58] <mfa298> more people need an FCD P+, you can get PIE and TED with that combo (It's almost as if it was planned)
[11:58] <fsphil> I doooo
[11:59] <fsphil> it won't wooork :)
[11:59] <craag> LeoBodnar_: Yeah you could just overlay the caption onto the jpeg
[11:59] <fsphil> I need something to provide 5V at the end of this cable
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> I'd like to congratulate SQ9MDD for the total absolute world altitude record!!!
[11:59] <Lunar_Lander> 65522 m just amazing
[11:59] <cm13g09> WHAT!?
[11:59] <GMT> m3eav: you in a boat?
[12:00] <mfa298> fsphil: sounds like you need a powered usb hub
[12:00] <fsphil> yep
[12:00] <fsphil> this worked before
[12:00] <fsphil> not sure what's changed
[12:00] <g8kbz> Lunar_Lander: I suspect something wrong with his NMEA parsing.
[12:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD me too
[12:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:01] <cm13g09> I suspect -13m :P
[12:01] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[12:01] <fsphil> a sign of the times
[12:01] Action: cm13g09 will try and pick up PIE soon
[12:02] Action: fsphil has given up with the radio
[12:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hurrah! $$PAVA now coming in with no blasted Amps in the way!
[12:02] <g8kbz> Anyone going to conference who could lend me a spare tracker?
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[12:03] <craag> g8kbz: Where are you located?
[12:03] <Willdude123> Hello. I see nobody's RXed NORB for a while.
[12:03] <craag> Willdude123: THere's a problem with it.
[12:03] <Willdude123> Ah OK. What's the problem?
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[12:04] <g8kbz> craag: west London. Will be at conference in 2 weeks
[12:04] <craag> Looks the GPS has lost lock I think.
[12:04] <Willdude123> Ah OK.
[12:04] <Willdude123> Surely it would still tx sentences?
[12:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Isn't Babbage supposed to be on a platform? (Not visibal in SSDV images.
[12:04] <mikestir> it's still transmitting, but no data
[12:04] <fsphil> it's the blue bit Steve_2E0VET
[12:04] <fsphil> he's right on the edge
[12:04] <craag> g8kbz: Ah right. I don't have a spare one made up at the moment. You could build one yourself :P
[12:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh I see fsphil Wasn't very apparent thanks
[12:05] <fsphil> he's been pushed forwarded a bit at launch I think
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[12:05] <nd> Hi @ all.
[12:05] <KiwiDean> past midnight here, time to sign off. good luck daveack, hope the landing is smoother than the launch! looking forward to reading about it tomorrow :-)
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> we've lost both payloads, need some tracking help :/
[12:05] <nd> I can't see the tracker on my screen, can anyone help?
[12:06] <fsphil> night KiwiDean !
[12:06] <craag> ibanezmatt13: PAVA gone too?
[12:06] <g8kbz> craag: it's been yonks since I fired up a soldering iron. Besides that would be /another / variable. I'm looking to borrow a known-good one.
[12:06] <fsphil> nd: are you on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ ?
[12:06] <ibanezmatt13> for us here yea
[12:06] <nd> yep
[12:06] <craag> ibanezmatt13: It's still being rx-ed with plenty of listeners.
[12:06] <fsphil> nd: are you using Internet Explorer?
[12:06] <ibanezmatt13> craag: that's good
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[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha now $$PIE
[12:07] <nd> Nope, firefox 23 on ubuntu 13.04
[12:07] <fsphil> nd: hmm.. that should be fine
[12:07] <craag> nd, it might take a while to load..
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[12:07] Action: mfa298 wonders if there's a lot of data for spacenear.us, in which case it might take a while to load
[12:08] <mfa298> 2x 600bd, +1x 300bd could be a lot of points to plot
[12:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> GPS FIX!
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[12:08] <LeoBodnar_> x-f: are you around?
[12:08] <craag> chrisstubbsM6EDF: \o/
[12:08] <nd> I'll grab another coffe and exercise some patience then. Thanks, guys!
[12:08] <m3eav_> lol, one balloon now ending up in Ukraine :-)
[12:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> just have to build another foam box
[12:08] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: get that up there!
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[12:08] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> possibly refill the balloon as its heavier
[12:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done chris!
[12:09] <x-f> LeoBodnar_, yes?
[12:09] <LeoBodnar_> does your telemetry website work?
[12:09] <mfa298> Just tried loading it myself, there's not that many positions (8k) at the moment so it's reasonable at loading
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now $$TED
[12:09] <LeoBodnar_> It was the only website where you can get sensible telemetry plots
[12:10] <LeoBodnar_> mobile-tracker refuses to plot my telemetry and make holes if datapoints are spaced too much
[12:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> TED wandering a bit. Grateful for AFC in DL-FLDigi
[12:11] <x-f> LeoBodnar_, hmm, looks like apache has died or something, i'll let the admin know
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[12:11] <LeoBodnar_> Thanks a lot!
[12:11] <fsphil> TED is seeing blue
[12:12] <nd> Got it, was just my fault, ad blocker was too strict.
[12:12] <mikestir> norb/pava seems to be getting some stick
[12:12] <Lunar_Lander> hi LeoBodnar_
[12:13] <LeoBodnar_> Hi Lunar_Lander !
[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> Could somebody check NORB? It's txing a tone but it looks like it's somehow the wrong way round
[12:13] <fsphil> how can a tone be the wrong way around?
[12:14] <mikestir> it's the high tone I think
[12:14] <mikestir> which is what you'd expect isn't it?
[12:14] <LeoBodnar_> We need a live audio stream with two good commentators. To much going on to grasp
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[12:14] <craag> LeoBodnar_: lol yes
[12:14] <craag> "Flight is nominal. Flight is nominal. ..."
[12:15] <GMT> Get David Coleman on the line
[12:15] <fsphil> "Teddy Bear has now passed 10km"
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[12:15] <LeoBodnar_> Harry and Paul maybe?
[12:15] <ibanezmatt13> mikestir: The main one that's always on is normally on the left but here its on the right
[12:15] <g8kbz> Do we need ColemanBalls?
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[12:15] <GMT> Rrrrrr-emarkable
[12:15] <LeoBodnar_> Lol
[12:16] <x-f> we need a webpage with statuses - payload name, "launched" or "cancelled", or "landed, chasing", "recovered", ..
[12:16] <Joel_re> how about a bot
[12:16] <Joel_re> that just posts every few mins
[12:16] <Joel_re> stats on the each balloon
[12:16] <mfa298> please not a bot, this channel already has enough happening on it.
[12:16] <GMT> but then we'd spend all our time saying to newbies ... check the status page at http...
[12:16] <Joel_re> or using !balloons
[12:17] <Joel_re> haha
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[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> pava in dire straits, please help
[12:17] <x-f> GMT, a link from the tracker page
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[12:17] <mfa298> I had thought about a web page, but it's likely to need someone to keep it updated.
[12:17] <fsphil> we have the wiki for that
[12:17] <craag> ibanezmatt13: PAVA still being rx-ed alt 36,635m
[12:18] <x-f> chase car apps need to be able to send statuse, that's it
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[12:18] <fsphil> "Status: Launcher is having a bacon sandwich"
[12:18] <ibanezmatt13> craag: SURELY NOT! 37KM!
[12:18] <x-f> well, not free text perhaps then :)
[12:18] <fsphil> haha
[12:18] <craag> ibanezmatt13: typo sorry
[12:18] <mfa298> Interesting that NORB stopped at 19km, that's almost like no flight mode (except I thought that happened at 18km)
[12:18] <craag> ibanezmatt13: now 32166m
[12:19] <craag> ibanezmatt13: Can you see the tracker page?
[12:19] <tweetBot> @PD3EM: It looks like a big #HAB party time but unfortunately no time to track& #UKHAS http://t.co/zofHi7hj0Z
[12:20] <Bo|2> OFFER... if anything lands near denmark etc i can try and get it and return as a parcel
[12:20] <Bo|2> only a small donation for the petrol would be very welcome
[12:20] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: both pava and norb are huge signals here (although norb is obviously useless)
[12:20] <mikestir> it does sound like it's getting battered about a bit though
[12:20] <Bo|2> PM if its needed
[12:20] <LeoBodnar_> ibanezmatt13: Were you originally developing Raspberry Pi with images and SSDV? Is NORB an Atmega?
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[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha and $$B10
[12:20] Nick change: Bo|2 -> Bo_DK
[12:20] <GMT> what's the specs for PAVA - 50 baud, what shift? 8n1?
[12:21] <mikestir> 7n2
[12:21] <mikestir> I make it 480
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[12:21] <daveake_M6RPI> what size balloon for ibanezmatt13 ?
[12:22] <algoa> Anyone else using a FCD and SDR# to receive Babbage?
[12:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> UpuWork, Are you selling the LNA's on there own :-(
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[12:22] <craag> algoa: FCDpp and sdr# here.
[12:22] <algoa> Are you rx'ing it
[12:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE Becoming a bit flaky here
[12:22] <RocketBoy> uXABEN is away
[12:23] <craag> algoa: Yep, nearly 100%.
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[12:23] <craag> algoa: From Southampton.
[12:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ok
[12:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> new (old) cheapo is ready
[12:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> just need to let it get a fix again
[12:23] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> expect launch at 2
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[12:23] <algoa> What do you set your centre freq to on the FCD
[12:24] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> updated prediction: http://predict.habhub.org/hourly/bicknacre/
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> What freq is uXBAEN on ?
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[12:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good luck chrisstubbsM6EDF
[12:25] <craag> algoa: About 434.250
[12:25] <fsphil> rather fantastic image, PIE 34
[12:25] <g4bwr> Cracked it! Now decoding packets!
[12:25] <GMT> what was the problem? what did you change?
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> RocketBoy, what freq is uXABEN on ?
[12:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> okay got fix again
[12:26] <craag> algoa: This is what I'm getting: http://imgur.com/WM1MBcB
[12:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> time to tape it to a balloon and get rid of the bloody thing
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> pava biurst
[12:27] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13, has norb got lock again yet
[12:27] <Willdude123> ?
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> not yet
[12:27] <RocketBoy> Geoff-G8DHE: 434.350
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
[12:27] <cm13g09> lol chrisstubbsM6EDF you still not up?
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> im waiting for it to go below 12km
[12:27] <algoa> Thats what I am trying. Are you using FCDHID program to set that freq or does SDR Sharp set it
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> I wish we had a decent setup here
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> is anybody in the area or pava?
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> of*
[12:29] <GMT> NORB is back
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> NORB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> We're not experienced with chase so we don't know where to wait
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> any hints guys?
[12:30] <algoa> OK, my noise levels look very flat - only using a simple dipole but would expect to see something
[12:30] <GMT> I'd suggest you find somewhere to stop now, and we will direct you when we know more
[12:30] <fsphil> you're asking now ibanezmatt13 ? :)
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> haha yeah
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[12:31] <Bo_DK> who has the payload that is predicted to land near french border?
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[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> NORB is back Upu
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> 35.5km burst
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[12:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> Upu_M0UPU: Is HabDuino part of your payload?
[12:31] <Bo_DK> UXABEN
[12:31] <GMT> Bo_DK: thinking of going for a drive?
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[12:31] <algoa> Can see something down at 434.129MHZ but nothing else other than the odd sweep coming through
[12:32] <Bo_DK> hmmm... could be crazy enough....
[12:32] <nd> babbage is heading for burbage . . .
[12:32] <Joel_re> ibanezmatt13: how did you figure what altitude it burst at?
[12:32] <Bo_DK> GMT: could be crazy enough
[12:32] <Joel_re> or is that the peak altitude?
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> max altitude record in habitat
[12:32] <Joel_re> ok
[12:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> UP!
[12:33] <Bo_DK> and then again... LONG drive alone
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> my payload isn't launching
[12:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Congrats chrisstubbsM6EDF
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> we are going after Dave's shortly
[12:33] <x-f> yay, chrisstubbsM6EDF joins the launch party :)
[12:33] <Joel_re> ibanezmatt13: that was a slow ascent?
[12:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> h8HAB
[12:33] <GMT> Bo_DK: and there are much closer stations; hell, I'm in London and Im closer!
[12:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> only 3 hours late
[12:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Upu_M0UPU: Another launch later on then?
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> nah
[12:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> and with a totally different payload
[12:33] <Upu_M0UPU> ground winds were a nightmare
[12:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[12:33] <Bo_DK> GMT: uhh... closer to the french border?
[12:34] <Bo_DK> via tunnel or how?
[12:34] <GMT> via the tunnel
[12:34] <ibanezmatt13> I know :)
[12:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbsM6EDF: What freq?
[12:34] <fsphil> PIE image 36 == fantastic
[12:34] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: freq?
[12:34] <Bo_DK> oh
[12:34] <fsphil> he's bearly holding on!!
[12:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[12:34] <cm13g09> fsphil: groan
[12:34] <Joel_re> fsphil: image 36?
[12:34] <fsphil> Joel_re: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:35] <Joel_re> thanks!
[12:35] <fsphil> brb, grabbing some food
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[12:36] <GMT> NORB now fully TXing, below 19km ... strange that!
[12:36] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: same freq?
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[12:36] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: the reservoir surrounded by woods - it's bound to come down there somewhere :)
[12:36] <LeoBodnar_> Upu_M0UPU: the weather will get better one day
[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> CHEAPO Looks like it wants to come visit me again :D
[12:38] <cm13g09> anyone got a freq for CHEAPO
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[12:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: I just texted Chris, no reply yet.
[12:39] <LeoBodnar_> It's such a waste of time sitting waiting for good wind or now wind
[12:39] <LeoBodnar_> It has just started pouring down here
[12:39] <Hix> Whoa - its like a BalloonFest minus the festival traffic
[12:39] <cm13g09> lol
[12:39] <cm13g09> cheers G0TDJ_Steve
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[12:40] <LeoBodnar_> How come TED is facing down on pic 36? Was it turbulence?
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> we're not sure where to go
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13> need help
[12:41] <Hix> do you want an OS map ibanezmatt13
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[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> just need a general place to go Hix
[12:41] <cm13g09> remind me of the sign at Hackney Wick last year: "For users of Apple iOS6, local maps are available from the travel office"
[12:42] <ibanezmatt13> looking at map, prediction looks inaccurate
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[12:42] <mikestir> is NORB working? they're kind of far apart
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[12:43] <LeoBodnar_> 800m float ? 8-o
[12:43] <Bo_DK> Q: beeing new in here and have taken on a rather hughe task in building this autonomus trackerlistning post of mine... what is the most polite way to get help with PCB layout... i have 2-3 areas with switching stuff i'm total unsure on...
[12:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still need freq please chrisstubbsM6EDF
[12:43] <G7PMO_Kev> I am just trying to rx NORB, not sure what it is doing
[12:43] <Bo_DK> most will say i shold give up but wheres the fun in that?
[12:43] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: It's going the wrong way (down not up)
[12:43] <LeoBodnar_> burst :-|
[12:43] <Upu_M0UPU> we are going to chase shortly
[12:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Chris reports just below 434.300 cm13g09
[12:43] <LeoBodnar_> No!
[12:43] <Upu_M0UPU> live feed coming back up
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[12:44] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: lol - not found on my waterfall :P
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[12:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> No, needs to be higher for me too, same terrain issue
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[12:45] <ibanezmatt13> got decode on pava
[12:45] <Upu_M0UPU> is it on the ground ibanezmatt13 ?
[12:45] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: I heard what sounds like RTTY
[12:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> Tahts' probably it
[12:45] <ibanezmatt13> not yet Upu_M0UPU
[12:46] <ibanezmatt13> 11km
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Something odd with NORB telemetry
[12:46] <Upu_M0UPU> ok cool
[12:46] <Upu_M0UPU> norb working again ?
[12:46] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF, G0TDJ_Steve think I've got it
[12:46] <ibanezmatt13> thing*
[12:46] <ibanezmatt13> I've coded it so if it gets no gps lock, it doesnt send anythong :/
[12:46] <LeoBodnar_> Upu_M0UPU: Is NORB Arduino or Raspberry Pi?
[12:46] <Upu_M0UPU> Pi
[12:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Any decodes cm13g09 ?
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[12:46] <G7PMO_Kev> I just get carrier from Norb...
[12:46] <cm13g09> not yet
[12:47] <Upu_M0UPU> carrier is fine
[12:47] <Upu_M0UPU> you can find with carrier :P
[12:47] <cm13g09> still very much in the noise
[12:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll wait for it to climb before leaving PIE alone
[12:47] Action: G7PMO_Kev trys his direction finding skills :)
[12:47] <Brew> hi ibanezmatt13, good to see it's going well int he sky
[12:47] <ibanezmatt13> well, having some issues breq
[12:47] <ibanezmatt13> Brew:
[12:48] <LeoBodnar_> My 1st balloon had tracker that crashed and sent only a carrier. DF found later after 2 hours from 10 miles away :)
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[12:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE getting weak here
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[12:48] <ibanezmatt13> Brew: Worked for a while, failed, came back again, failed again
[12:48] <LeoBodnar_> Tracker locked up at at 11000m alt
[12:48] <Brew> ibanezmatt13 - Sadly my rx kit and distance means I'm no good for your telemetry I'm afraid
[12:48] <ibanezmatt13> it's ok
[12:49] <mattbrejza> no habduino/pava-a?
[12:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE VERY weak here now
[12:50] <craag> mattbrejza: Nope cancelled launch due to the wind
[12:50] <cm13g09> I have gibberish decodes from CHEAPO
[12:50] <mattbrejza> ah
[12:50] <ibanezmatt13> Brew: I'm thinking box issue on NORB, not software at the moment
[12:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> At least thats something cm13g09
[12:50] <craag> cm13g09: :D
[12:51] Action: mattbrejza is paying more attention to the F1
[12:51] <ibanezmatt13> norb back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:51] <cm13g09> when I say gibberish....
[12:51] <ibanezmatt13> please check norb
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA is drifting a lot
[12:51] <G7PMO_Kev> Norb sentance :)
[12:51] <craag> mattbrejza: I have it all side-by-side :)
[12:51] <cm13g09> it's RTTY50 width transmit
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah NORB is up again
[12:51] <cm13g09> that sounds like RTTY50
[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> and down
[12:51] <cm13g09> but for me is at 434.344510
[12:52] <mattbrejza> craag: the tv is beihnd me...
[12:52] <Brew> ibanezmatt13, possible i guess, look like your back on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[12:52] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[12:52] <mattbrejza> lol that queue of cars craag
[12:53] <craag> yeah... weather is making things fun everywhere!
[12:53] <Hix> its raining at Spa, shock horror :D
[12:53] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: cheapo seems to be doing a "What goes up, must come down" trick
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[12:53] <cm13g09> I'm losing it now
[12:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: I don't think that's CHEAPO - WAY too high
[12:54] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: you have to remember that this RTLSDR isn't calibrated...
[12:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh OK
[12:54] <craag> cm13g09: Do you have the SWAP I/Q ticked?
[12:55] <cm13g09> I do now
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[12:55] <craag> That reverses the frequency space, so can cause a BIG and variable frequency offset.
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[12:55] <cm13g09> yeah
[12:55] <cm13g09> it was unticket
[12:55] <cm13g09> *unticked
[12:55] <craag> You'll then need to invert the RV selection in dl-fldigi
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[12:56] <Steve_2E0VET> will a ublox pick up sats encased within a plastic box?
[12:56] <cm13g09> ok
[12:56] <cm13g09> I just unticked it again craag
[12:56] <mikestir> Steve_2E0VET: make sure it's not a black plastic box
[12:56] <craag> cm13g09: Well if you're picking it, that's all that counts.
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[12:56] <craag> Steve_2E0VET: I use them in black peli-cases at work, they're fine!
[12:56] <Steve_2E0VET> mikestir, seriously, i was just going to go to maplins and get a black one lol
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[12:57] <cm13g09> craag: now lost it :P
[12:57] <mikestir> Steve_2E0VET: craag: _some_ black plastic is coloured with carbon black
[12:57] <mikestir> so it attenuates RF
[12:57] <mikestir> not all though
[12:57] <craag> Ah ok
[12:57] <Steve_2E0VET> maybe i will just leave the top off lol
[12:57] <craag> Maybe stay clear then
[12:57] <mikestir> same applies for using black drainpipe for making antennas
[12:58] <craag> Clear boxes ftw :)
[12:58] <PE2G> Piet0r: you're not tracking?
[12:58] <mikestir> or white
[12:58] Action: cm13g09 gves up
[12:58] <cm13g09> Time to go to Bristol
[12:58] <Piet0r> @PE2G I'm receiving nothing :(
[12:58] <cm13g09> see you late mfa298
[12:59] <craag> cya cm13g09
[12:59] <craag> You'll have to join us on a chase sometime!
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[13:00] <PE2G> Piet0r: Too bad :( Any idea why not? TED's signal is strong here
[13:00] <Bo_DK> Q: what happens to SQ9MDD ?
[13:00] <GMT> Bo_DK: you mean his height?
[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right PAVA & NORB are out for me whas with CHEAPO?
[13:01] <Bo_DK> yeah... or i clicked the baloon on map.. seems to not move etc
[13:01] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: have you got a signal for recovery?
[13:01] <GMT> probably no flying, just testing
[13:01] <x-f> he's always just testing..
[13:01] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Looks like it's picked up enough water to overcome the lift.
[13:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do we have a Freq I thought the payload changed ?
[13:02] <Piet0r> @PE2G I have no idea
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[13:02] <ibanezmatt13> got signal
[13:02] <Bo_DK> GMT: ohh... will ignore it then
[13:03] <GMT> the height for SQ9MDD is prob -13m
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[13:03] <PE2G> Piet0r: Do receive any other signals between 430-440 MHz?
[13:03] <PE2G> Do you
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[13:04] <mikestir> GB3CR has fired up so that's me out for anything weak
[13:04] <Piet0r> I can see my weather station burst it's data :p
[13:04] <Piet0r> So that works fine
[13:04] <GMT> starting to lose the signal from NORB
[13:06] <PE2G> Piet0r: Where is your antenna? How high up?
[13:06] <Piet0r> On the roof, about 15M from the ground I think
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[13:07] <PE2G> Piet0r: That's a nice height
[13:08] <PE2G> Piet0r: Long cable?
[13:08] <Piet0r> 10M RG213 coax
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[13:09] <G7PMO_Kev> I'm glad we have GPS back on NORB - I tried to do some direction finding on it using a hand held yagi - the result was it was somewhere between NW and E from me!
[13:09] <G7PMO_Kev> http://fooplot.com/plot/gn6ji5zjt4
[13:10] <GMT> G7PMO_Kev: you'll probably be the last to RX it, so we're relying on you
[13:10] <G7PMO_Kev> is there a trick to DF that I don't know?
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[13:10] <jookull> 1000m to go PIE!
[13:11] <craag> cutdown?
[13:11] <GMT> G7PMO_Kev: for a reasonable signal strength, try DFing double the freq
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[13:11] <craag> Was at 39km on PIE iirc
[13:11] <G7PMO_Kev> will the yagi still be directional when way out of its spec?
[13:12] <craag> G7PMO_Kev: Out of it's spec?
[13:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> TED has flat lined ?
[13:12] <G7PMO_Kev> ie a yagi designed for 70cm, being used at 800+ to get the harmonic?
[13:12] <craag> PIE has sped up, I reckon we have cutdown!
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[13:13] <craag> G7PMO_Kev: You'll get lobes all over the place I think.
[13:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> PIE past 40k :D
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think TED should be floating!
[13:13] <G7PMO_Kev> which will make DF difficult....
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[13:14] <craag> TED has lost GPS lock
[13:14] <bertrik_froscon> nice one PIE
[13:14] <GMT> ping LeoBodnar
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[13:14] <craag> picture of empty platform in 3 2 1...
[13:15] <craag> PIE burst
[13:15] <bertrik_froscon> can I see live pictures anywhere?
[13:15] <G7PMO_Kev> NORB looks to be on the ground...
[13:15] <G7PMO_Kev> lost signal from it at 427 M
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[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ for images
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[13:16] <mattbrejza> intersting image coming thru
[13:16] <G7PMO_Kev> wow, I am still getting decodes from NORB even though I can see or hear a signal!
[13:16] <g8kbz> TED is transmitting small images, so he's on his way down after separation.
[13:17] <craag> ELATED looks like video frames of the drop
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[13:17] <g8kbz> _A_ small image, possibly from separation. Daveake would know
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> ELATED is odd
[13:18] <Laurenceb_> looks like large image
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[13:18] <Laurenceb_> but its displaying small
[13:18] <craag> Laurenceb_: It's video frames I reckon
[13:18] <craag> open it in a new tab
[13:18] <qyx_> open the image in new window
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[13:19] <g8kbz> AIUI no video of separation, nor stills. All video is stored on board, and will be visble after recovery.
[13:19] <daveake_M6RPI> craag funny that ...
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[13:19] <Laurenceb_> what was the cutdown altitude?
[13:19] <Laurenceb_> 40Km?
[13:19] <craag> daveake_M6RPI: :)
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[13:20] <Piet0r> @PE2G You are using a yagi right?
[13:20] <G7PMO_Kev> Looks like Norb & Pava will be safely in a field
[13:20] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[13:20] <mikestir> freq for xaben?
[13:20] <Upu_M0UPU> setting off
[13:20] <craag> No separation it looks like :(
[13:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> small fast frames
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> uXABEN 434.350
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> sry 434.355
[13:21] <mikestir> got it ta
[13:21] <PE2G> Piet0r: Yes, 7 elements
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[13:22] <ibanezmatt13> on foot
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-21-04-TED-4C3.jpeg?u=16
[13:22] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: does it look accessible?
[13:22] <Laurenceb_> battered ted?
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[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't look down TED
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[13:24] <G0MJW> How di PIE do? Corret separation?
[13:24] <Upu_M0UPU> has ted seperated ?
[13:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> Being my own AFC here LOL
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[13:25] <craag> Upu_M0UPU: Doesn't look like it
[13:25] <craag> Blue platform still visible in one of the images.
[13:25] <Piet0r> Cool videostream^
[13:25] <craag> And time-lapse shows nothing :(
[13:25] <craag> TED doesn't move.
[13:25] <PE2G> Piet0r: Do you receive HAM signals on 430-440 MHz?
[13:26] <G0MJW> I can hear it up in Bolton so its a good signa.
[13:26] <Steve_2E0VET> G0MJW, what frew
[13:26] <Steve_2E0VET> freq
[13:26] <G0MJW> .250
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-15-17-ELATED-4C0.gif?u=129
[13:27] <Laurenceb_> no release
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[13:27] <Upu_M0UPU> .
[13:27] <Steve_2E0VET> 434.250
[13:27] <craag> Nope. Babbage wimped out :'(
[13:28] <craag> Incoming PIE image of Babbage still on platform.
[13:28] <G0MJW> Yes 434.250. Only got a horizontal aerial here so some fading.
[13:28] <ViralSpiral> Such a shame
[13:28] <m3eav_> TED-PIE what a great balloon, first tiem i seenone do the fast small frames on the drop liek that....
[13:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon TED has climbed back up the rope
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[13:29] <G7PMO_Kev> what frequency is uXABEN on guys?
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.355
[13:30] <G7PMO_Kev> ta
[13:30] <charolastra> why didn't the chase car of TED wait at the predetermined landing location?
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[13:30] <yllwfsh> looks like TED is tied up somehow http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-27-04-PIE-4C6.jpeg?u=39
[13:30] <chrisstubbs-m> cheapo recovered. In other news i am SOAKED
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[13:31] <ibanezmatt13> off to ask for farmers permission
[13:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs-m: Glad you managed recovery!
[13:31] <G7PMO_Kev> well done Chris
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[13:32] <m3eav_> Teds hung himself....!!!!
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[13:32] <Piet0r> @PE2G I can not hear voice (when I try it with my PMR porto) but I can hear P2000 and KPN paging network
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[13:33] <yllwfsh> the stress of the drop was too much for Babbage
[13:33] <Piet0r> And for some reason I am hearing POCSAG on PMR channel 4 :?
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[13:33] <Piet0r> I can even decode it with PDW
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[13:36] <Willdude123> Hello
[13:36] <iain_G4> What frequency is B10?
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[13:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.510
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its 1 sec pulses and two frames of telemetry a couple of minutes apart
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> probably pulses 2 seconds apart
[13:38] <GMT> the telem signals are every 5 minutes
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[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-10/
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> yup 5 makes sense haven't been timing them the one window I can leave alone as it doesn't drift!
[13:40] <Upu_M0UPU> we think ted tangled in the cord we used to do the launch
[13:40] <GMT> B10 telemetry in about 20 seconds
[13:40] <PE2G> Piet0r: Do you rx repeater Zeist PI2ZST on 430.075 (Though I'm not completely sure whether it's working...)
[13:40] <zs6bnt> hi all, what freq is xaben on?
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think TECgrabbed it at the last minute
[13:41] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU, will the cutdown still go ahead?
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.355 for uXABEN
[13:41] <Piet0r> @PE2G It's old but that repeater is still (again) up :)
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> But you won't get from ZS land!
[13:41] <algoa> Nothing seen in waterfall of dl-fldigi. Have selected TED autoconf. Any ideas what I might be missing?
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Lost TED lost PIE - Acquired B-10 on 434.510
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Set the bandwidth two 600 to copy its not auto set
[13:42] <G0MJW> PIE starting to fade here. I conclude that to do well in the next UKAC from Harwell all I need is to extend my mast by about 3000m
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> *too
[13:42] <PE2G> Piet0r: And you receive it?
[13:42] <G7PMO_Kev> G0MJW - just 300m? why not go higher? :)
[13:42] <G7PMO_Kev> 3000m sorry :)
[13:43] <algoa> Geoff-G8DHE - which menu for setting bandwidth?
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[13:43] <G0MJW> Well most of the activity seems to be around IO83. Its just decending into the noise now.. My system is a little deaf as there isn't a pre-amp, but I can receive it. TED is much higher now?
[13:43] <GMT> algoa: bottom left corner see RTTY, right click on that
[13:43] <G7PMO_Kev> it's great watching uXABEN just do a U turn at 13km :)
[13:44] <algoa> ok thnx
[13:44] <zs6bnt> zs6bnt is actually reciving the signal, but...
[13:44] <zs6bnt> zs6bnt is actually G3ZGZ in Cleveleys!!!
[13:44] <zs6bnt> What baud rate for xaben
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[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats cheating ;-)
[13:44] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: B-10 might drift as I have took the freq lock feature out for this flight. It needs some extra GPS wakeup time and I was a bit cautious about power consumption. The lock will be back in future flights.
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> 50/425
[13:44] <G0MJW> Yep, lost it at 2000m so a 3000m mast is about right.
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[13:45] <Piet0r> @PE2G It works
[13:45] <GMT> LeoBodnar: do you expect B-10 to be another long-term floater?
[13:45] <Piet0r> I can hear the repeater
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, Not had to retune at all just leave it in background all the time and just hear the warble like now
[13:45] <PE2G> Traces from uXABEN here on 434.356
[13:46] <PE2G> uXABEN 477 km
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[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh both PIE and TED gone ?
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[13:46] <yllwfsh> TED looking at his reflecion in PIE? http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-42-45-TED-4D1.jpeg?u=24
[13:46] <LeoBodnar> I want it to but who we'll see if there is any He loss when night comes. It looks like quality of the foil balloons started to vary a bit
[13:47] <algoa> <GMT> thanks - filter bandwidth set - still no noise showing on dl-fldigi waterfall
[13:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: Good sigs from B10 here in Crayford
[13:47] <LeoBodnar> OK Geoff-G8DHE it uses 0.5ppm TCXO so maybe it's good enough.
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[13:48] <LeoBodnar> Cool G0TDJ_Steve !
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[13:48] <G7PMO_Kev> LeoBodnar - can you remind me where the write up of your trackers are please?
[13:49] <Upu_M0UPU> ibanezmatt13 recovered ?
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[13:49] <ibanezmatt13> it's in a field but we cant find it
[13:49] <zs6bnt> G8DHE, Ive a strong signal but cant decode - what have you set DL FIGI to? Ive got 450 shift here
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[13:49] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/ and change the numbers
[13:49] <mikestir> ibanezmatt13: can you DF it?
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[13:49] <G7PMO_Kev> ta LeoBodnar
[13:49] <LeoBodnar> sans B-9
[13:49] <ibanezmatt13> What does df mean?
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[13:49] <mikestir> direction find
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[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> we know where it is
[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> we have a final dfecode
[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> but cant see it
[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> fully grown wheat, no farmer to be seen
[13:50] <LeoBodnar> Got Yagi?
[13:50] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah he has
[13:50] <mikestir> yeah but if you are DFing you may get a closer indication of where it is
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> which signal zs6bnt
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> if yuou have a final location Matt
[13:50] <mikestir> for big signal try taking the antenna off an using your body to block the signal
[13:50] <LeoBodnar> Turn the attenuator on
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[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> stick it your phone
[13:51] <ibanezmatt13> dont know how
[13:51] <ibanezmatt13> google wont accept it
[13:51] <zs6bnt> Geoff Xaben
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[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> one second I'll do screen grab
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[13:52] <LeoBodnar> go to google maps and type coords with a comma between
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[13:52] <Upu_M0UPU> ibanezmatt13 go download MotionX GPS
[13:53] <G7PMO_Kev> ibanezmatt13 - is it still x'miting? Can yo uaverage put the positions now it is stable on the ground?
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[13:53] <fsphil> and back
[13:53] <zs6bnt> Geoff - got it on 7 bit ascii
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/uXABEN_20130824/
[13:53] <fsphil> oh nice landing site for TED+PIE
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh the status bar is blurred one second
[13:53] <LeoBodnar> Upu_M0UPU: did you fly DominoEX or it is the one that got cancelled?
[13:54] <RasPiTV> Hi everyone.
[13:54] <fsphil> oh no that was NORB I was looking at
[13:54] <zs6bnt> got it geoff, - it's ascii that i had wrong
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> zs6bnt, there you go
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[13:54] <RasPiTV> Ted pi looks like somewhere south of beacon hill
[13:55] <fsphil> there are annoying patches of trees around there
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[13:56] <G7PMO_Kev> Geoff-G8DHE - how come your signal looks so clean :) - http://imgur.com/KbT6yyb
[13:56] <LeoBodnar> Down with the trees!
[13:56] <RasPiTV> Copses and woodses all over the place
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[13:57] <Hix> ping Laurenceb_
[13:57] <ibanezmatt13> very nice farmer taking us there
[13:57] <Hix> get orf my laaaand
[13:57] <ibanezmatt13> haha
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tweak the waterfall colours maybe I use this pallete http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/fldigi-1.pal
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh sry the .pal ending isn't covered in the server one second
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[14:00] <iain_G4> Geoff-G8DHE: You using an xtal 1Kc filter?
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope its an RTL2832U/E4000 VIA SDR-Radio which allows you to alter the bandwidth
[14:01] <algoa> In dl-fldigi how can i get get Flight / payload settings to be displayed under menu and above waterfall?
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> right the pallette is available
[14:01] <RasPiTV> So do we know if ted & pi separated? The readouts were confusing and a bit all over the place.
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[14:01] <PE2G> Piet0r: Station 'jijdaar' is on the roof of the KNMI building and has a strong signal from uXABEN
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[14:02] <GMT> algoa: those settings appear when you get a successful decode of the signal
[14:02] <G7PMO_Kev> Geoff-G8DHE - the page cannot be found?
[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> try again I didn't have .pal in the mime types, so just set it up
[14:02] <G7PMO_Kev> Geoff-G8DHE - I dont think it is colours though, you seem to have a very narrow band of signal, where I have lots of noise over most of the audio spectrum...
[14:02] <charolastra> high speed chase :D
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[14:03] <G7PMO_Kev> try reloading your server Geoff, still page not found here?
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes you need to use SDR-Radio which lets you tweak the bandwidth see here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/UXABEN_20130824/index.php?ind=1 its the A VFO on the left you can pull the bandwidth in on each edge which is real nice!
[14:04] <algoa> <GMT> Thanks -I will have to find a way to practice this in slow time:-)
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[14:06] <G7PMO_Kev> Geoff-G8DHE ooh, that looks rather different, I'll have to have a play is that the best SDR software you think?
[14:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> So for B-10 I'm just 400Hz wide
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[14:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> whilst for uxABEN its 12ooHz wide
[14:06] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ELATED
[14:06] <GMT> algoa: you can only really try when there's a flight, but todays there's toooo many flights!
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice one
[14:07] <GMT> algoa: it's confusing at first, usually takes 2-3 flights to get it sorted
[14:07] <LeoBodnar> I'd like to see his face at that moment
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> right time for a sandwich bbl
[14:08] <G7PMO_Kev> ditto
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[14:09] <algoa> Well its only the second time I have rigged up the FCD so all very new to me
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[14:09] <LeoBodnar> Good idea Geoff-G8DHE
[14:09] <charolastra> another tip for SDR# and RTLSDR: the device can only do ~48dB so change the display setting to around 60dB and your spectrum and waterfall will look much nicer
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[14:10] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Afternoon all. Back to base. Today has been hectic! Not just for us!
[14:10] <RasPiTV> @fsphil I think that animation was going to kick in at separation, so looks like the cut didn't quite work as it should have
[14:11] <fsphil> RasPiTV: yea that was the moment it should have jumped
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[14:11] <fsphil> it may have gotten tangled at launch
[14:11] <chrisg7ogx> my waterfall is down to -100dB
[14:11] <fsphil> will find out more later hopefully
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[14:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: I wouldn't be surprised, it was pretty gusty when they launched.
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[14:13] <Piet0r> @PE2G Maybe the RTL-SDR does not like upper side band?
[14:13] <Mart_G4FUI> Dial freq for B-10 anyone? Probably a bit low for me, but I'll have a go . . .
[14:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> 434.510 for B10
[14:14] <LeoBodnar> Any idea why mobile tracker does not display telemetry charts for B-10?
[14:14] <Mart_G4FUI> Tnx TDJ ..
[14:14] <PE2G> Piet0r: I don't believe so. there are many here using it
[14:14] <Piet0r> Yeah ..
[14:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Mart_G4FUI: 2sec beacon and Domino EX16 telemetry every 5mins
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[14:15] <charolastra> be sure to calibrate your ppm error with the RTLSDR or any frequency will be way off
[14:15] <RasPiTV> Looks like pie has landed
[14:15] <Piet0r> Maybe I should just make a 1/4 wave antenna
[14:15] <G7PMO_Kev> LeoBodnar - I confirm it doesn't show them here either, not sure why not?
[14:16] <LeoBodnar> No idea, when x-f website is back I'll be there most of the time :)
[14:16] <Piet0r> I made this one before for the PMR band and it works very well: http://g4glvp.webs.com/Ant001.gif
[14:16] <GMT> could it be the time format not being correct?
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[14:18] <LeoBodnar> GMT No, I flew it before and it worked fine
[14:19] <GMT> okay, it was just a guess
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[14:21] <PE2G> Piet0r: yes and try to give it a free line of sight to the west.
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[14:24] <G7PMO_Kev> RocketBoy - are you chasing uXABEN?
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[14:24] <RocketBoy> yep
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[14:25] <G7PMO_Kev> RocketBoy - great, I dont have to volunteer to go out in the rain :)
[14:26] <LeoBodnar> Oh, 8200m, never floated that high
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[14:28] <M0TVU> Good afternoon.
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[14:28] <M0TVU> Can anyone help me please
[14:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> hello to all
[14:28] <M0TVU> I am looking for pin out detils of the Motorola M665C pcb
[14:28] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is frequentie off B-10
[14:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> B-10 on 434.510
[14:29] <chrisg7ogx> what freq is uaexaben on please?
[14:29] <Herman-PB0AHX> tnx steve
[14:30] <PE2G> uXABEN on 434.356
[14:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Herman-PB0AHX: B-10 434.510 - 2 sec beacon, telemetry every 5mins in Domino EX16
[14:30] <Herman-PB0AHX> $$$$$uXABEN,657,14:29:44,52.28361,-0.35753,22872,1.80,5.2,8,02F0*BF25 is very stong here
[14:30] <chrisg7ogx> tks pe2g
[14:31] <G7PMO_Kev> M0TVU - does this help: http://www.motorolasolutions.com/web/Business/Products/M2M%20Wireless%20Modules/GPS%20Module/_Documents/_staticFiles/GPS%20Module%20Reference%20Design%20Document.pdf
[14:33] <M0TVU> Hi Thanks I found that one before. It doesn't seem to relate to the PCB I have. I think it's called a one core. Two silvered boxes either side with a motorola chipset and a 10 way header
[14:33] <G7PMO_Kev> M0TVU - this one? http://www.tapr.org/pdf/GT_Eng_Notes.pdf
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[14:36] <M0TVU> Woo Hoo thanks G7MPO
[14:37] <G7PMO_Kev> :)
[14:37] <M0TVU> That looks like it.
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[14:37] <M0TVU> I'll have a play and see if it does anything
[14:37] <G7PMO_Kev> M0TVU - see this post here for a few other associated links - http://de.sci.electronics.narkive.com/03AuACtX/afu-flohmarkt-dortmund-gps-board-motorola-m665c
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[14:38] <M0TVU> I want to make a little gadget that converts long lat to maidenhead - no real purpose other than what if.....?
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[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> You back LeoBodnar ?
[14:39] <M0TVU> Useful for portable contest locations etc... a bit off topic but I knew someone would know it here
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[14:39] <LeoBodnar> Ah yes
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Was that a reset a while back the GPS seemed to go back to launch position ?
[14:40] <G7PMO_Kev> M0TVU - just a lucky google for me, amazing what a different / fresh pair of eyes can find..
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> Something transmits from time to time about 100Hz lower than B-10, has anybody noticed?
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[14:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar: I have noticed on the waterfall yes
[14:40] <G7PMO_Kev> M0TVU - thats not ment to be an insult BTW, I have asked plenty of silly Questions where google finds the answer but I was blind to it ;)
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> Just beeps occasionally - maybe local SRD
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nohting I can see or hear here on the Coast
[14:41] <ajay_> Hi, does anyone know how to connect the D2523T gps to an Arduino Pro mini 3.3v? Thanks for any help.
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[14:41] <M0TVU> Yeah I was googling away and got into the follow links trap - where I should have just started fresh
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lot of flutter on uXABEN
[14:43] <number10_M0MDB> Upu, daveake_M6RPI there is a footpath to the west of the landing site http://i.imgur.com/yTIZRfJ.jpg
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[14:46] <Steve_2E0VET> what type of batteries do i need for a tracker lithium something
[14:46] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Steve_2E0VET, energizer lithium
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[14:47] <Steve_2E0VET> ta
[14:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> lithium iron disulfide I think
[14:47] <ajay_> Anyone have any experience using the D2523T GPS?
[14:47] <Steve_2E0VET> what about rechargeables - any good
[14:47] <number10_M0MDB> just stick with the energizers
[14:47] <PE2G> uXABEN burst
[14:48] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Never used one myself, the energizer lithiums seem to work much better in the cold and last agggeesss
[14:48] <number10_M0MDB> and they are light
[14:48] <Steve_2E0VET> does it matter if they are aa or aaa
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[14:48] <Steve_2E0VET> maplins has 4 x aaa for 2.99
[14:48] <number10_M0MDB> depens on how much current your tracker uses Steve_2E0VET
[14:49] <chrisg7ogx> has uxaben burst? Very wobbly here
[14:50] <number10_M0MDB> yes
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[14:50] <chrisg7ogx> m0mdb tks
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[14:55] <Thadeus> what is the freq. of B10 balloon?
[14:56] <Rob_m0dts> 434.510
[14:57] <Thadeus> thanks
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[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> NORB/PAVA Recovered!
[14:57] <LeoBodnar> \o/
[14:57] <G7PMO_Kev> B-10 decode - wow you have to be patient :)
[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> Nicest farmer we've ever met; took us in his land rover
[14:57] <G7PMO_Kev> well done Matt
[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> Thank you!
[14:57] <ibanezmatt13> Let's hope the footage is ok
[14:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Rob_m0dts: B10 2sec beacon with telemetry every 5mins
[14:57] <fsphil> congrats ibanezmatt13 !
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> thanks fsphil! First flight = success
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> well
[14:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done ibanezmatt13 :D
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> NORB failed temporarily
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks Steve
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: I think it failed due to a flightmode error.
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> It helps to get 1st flight right
[14:58] <fsphil> it does sound like it ibanezmatt13
[14:58] <LeoBodnar> For the spirit! :)
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> I could really do with a little help sorting it
[14:58] <G7PMO_Kev> better than my first flight, traveled 150 miles and landed 2 miles out to sea :)
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> someone's using my code next week!
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[14:59] <Brew> ibanezmatt13 nice work.
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[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks Brew, a little work to do on flight code but we got it back
[14:59] <number10_M0MDB> well done ibanezmatt13
[14:59] <LeoBodnar> G7PMO_Kev: is it faint sig or just large pause?
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> I've never had so many people congratulate me at once :)
[14:59] <ibanezmatt13> thanks number10_M0MDB
[14:59] <fsphil> lol
[15:00] <Brew> Yep we can work it out next week
[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> Yea, I'm sure I'll get it sorted
[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> with a little assistance :/
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> ibanezmatt13, Good job!
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[15:00] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks!
[15:00] <G7PMO_Kev> LeoBodnar - I am used to having a continuous signal to lock on to, takes a while to get used to waiting 5 mins for telemetry :)
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[15:01] <LeoBodnar> Hehe, B-10 is a bit of a slow dude
[15:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Slow but Sure LeoBodnar :D
[15:02] <mikestir> LeoBodnar: how long do you expect this one to last (battery wise)?
[15:02] <G7PMO_Kev> and only 2 sentances to get it right when it does tx :)
[15:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> G7PMO_Kev: It occasionally does 3
[15:03] <LeoBodnar> If solar power is enough to replenish the batteries then quite awhile
[15:03] <LeoBodnar> So far LiPo is seem to be bursting at seams with energy
[15:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> This ones solar LeoBodnar ? :D
[15:03] <LeoBodnar> Not sure what happens in the night
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> LeoBodnar, On the data out from Habitat, its showing a couple jumps back to launch, but they don't show on the tracker which seems odd ?
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[15:04] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Images/4.jpg
[15:04] <G7PMO_Kev> Now I have the frequency spot on, I can see the beacon in dl-fldgig, but I see no sign of the beacon in SDR# at all, so nothing to tune to except every 5 mins..
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[15:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Great stuff Leo :D
[15:05] <GMT> in SDR# you can just about see a tiny trace of the 2-secs beacon/pulse
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> Geoff-G8DHE: it sends a brief flight log every two hours containing two hours datapoints
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> so you get repeats every two hours
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[15:05] <G0MJW> Has PIE been recovered?
[15:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/B-10/
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[15:05] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: you a python programmer?
[15:05] <LeoBodnar> They are repeats so were filtered out by habitat I guess
[15:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> G0MJW: Still waiting to find out
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[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah that might be it
[15:06] <G7PMO_Kev> GMT - if I squint I can maybe see something :)
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[15:06] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: occasionally
[15:06] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: https://github.com/ibanezmatt13/NORB/blob/master/NORB.py
[15:06] <GMT> same here, squint and just visible
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[15:06] <ibanezmatt13> just in case you can spot anything
[15:07] <G7PMO_Kev> right, 5 mins to get some food before the next packets :)
[15:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Food.... Blimey, I'd forgotten
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[15:08] <ibanezmatt13> patchy 3g btw down here
[15:08] <LeoBodnar> :) no rush, there'll be more packets
[15:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Been tracking all day!
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> G7PMO_Kev, Have you tried out SDR-Radio http://v2.sdr-radio.com/ instead of SDR# ?
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[15:08] <LeoBodnar> tracking nirvana
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[15:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL LeoBodnar :D
[15:08] <LeoBodnar> Anybody's flying tomorrow?
[15:09] <ibanezmatt13> i've not eaten since 7am
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only B-10
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[15:20] <G7PMO_Kev> Geoff-G8DHE - downloading it now
[15:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> No news from PIE and TED yet?
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its well worth the effort, I find it much nicer than SDR#, start with just one VFO, you can add others later else it gets confusing ;-)
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[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its also VERY flexible, once you work out the interface for moving the Panes around, plus you can save multipile confg's
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[15:26] <charolastra> does it support multible demodulators at the same time?
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[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR-Radio ? It supports multipile VFO's and then you feed the audio out to multippile dl-fldifi's for demod etc.
[15:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> uXABEN just about gone for me
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[15:30] <jcoxon> ping stilldavid
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[15:30] <ibanezmatt13> Internet regained
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[15:30] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: :)
[15:30] <cm13g09> afternoon al
[15:30] <cm13g09> successful flights?
[15:30] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[15:30] <ibanezmatt13> recovered by very nice farmer, 35.5km
[15:31] <cm13g09> nice
[15:31] <cm13g09> well done
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> thank you
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[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> we had a slight issue with the tracker, bur we got it back
[15:31] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: any news from yours?
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[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> can't work out whether a software or hardware issue
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[15:32] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> cm13g09, recovered and back home
[15:32] Action: chrisstubbsM6EDF enters feet up mode
[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: did you identify and issues with that code? I mean, it worked even at 28km for a bit so I can't see it being flight mode. But I guess it could have been going in and out of flightmode...
[15:33] <ibanezmatt13> well done chrisstubbsM6EDF :)
[15:33] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsM6EDF: do I get the impression it went up and came down rather quickly?
[15:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> cm13g09, got to baout 800m, and the first tracker didnt work at all
[15:33] <cm13g09> fair enough
[15:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> ibanezmatt13, nice work! glad to see you recovered!
[15:33] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> someone here knows how to HAB
[15:33] <ibanezmatt13> thanks! haha
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[15:34] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I will debug tomorrow probably
[15:34] <Iain_G4SGX_> Yay, found B10, good signal for how far off it is and how crap my antenna is.
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[15:34] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[15:34] <Iain_G4SGX_> As its raining couldn't operate from the garden as normal. (Short coax) Had to move colinear onto lawn nearer the house
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> If anyone wants Pano's or Object movies from GE shout
[15:35] <G7PMO_Kev> How you doing Steve, you on the A6 somewhere?
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[15:35] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Geoff-G8DHE, I think I can do mine in paint from today :P
[15:35] <cm13g09> cripes this is a busy train for London Paddington to Swansea....
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks quite nice actually!
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[15:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> really?
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just needs a ruler
[15:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> we didnt get much data due to the altitude, not actually checked if we got any other listeners
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll put a screen grab up
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[15:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Cheers :)
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130824/
[15:39] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Cool
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[15:41] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> When are we next due a b-10 packet?
[15:41] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: Are you putting the PIC to sleep in between GPS fixes? And the Ublox? Is so with solar charging it may last forever! lol
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> I am Iain_G4SGX_
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[15:42] <GMT> B-10 now!
[15:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> gotcha!
[15:42] <G7PMO_Kev> Dam, beat me to it GMT :)
[15:42] <GMT> and again in 5 mins
[15:42] <LeoBodnar> Only TCXO is running since I don't have a power control to it yet
[15:42] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Locked on now :)
[15:42] <GMT> PMO: I cheated!)
[15:42] <G7PMO_Kev> I like the warning it is coming, 2 beeps, 3 beeps, and bam :)
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[15:43] <G7PMO_Kev> small things...
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[15:44] <wb8elk_> anyone able to approve and activate a Flight doc for a flight I'm doing today?
[15:44] <wb8elk_> My flight doc number: 4179df1fa9e353ea217a7dff3d8b6964
[15:44] <Randomskk> wb8elk_: yes
[15:44] <cm13g09> lol - doing circuit board design, on a train, using a touchpad....
[15:44] <wb8elk_> Thanks !!!
[15:44] <Randomskk> done
[15:44] <cm13g09> not an easy exercise....
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[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> afternoon
[15:45] <cm13g09> afternoon Upu_M0UPU
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> TED/PIE recovered
[15:45] <Randomskk> yo Upu_M0UPU
[15:45] <cm13g09> cool
[15:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Nice one!
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry no internets
[15:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Whats the pava/habduino status?
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> not launched
[15:45] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: Cool. I was wondering if the Ublox used too much power on getting first fix to do that, obviously not at that altitude I take it.
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> crazy ground winds
[15:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Ah right! Yeah I saw the pie laaunch
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> Ibanezmatt recovered too
[15:46] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> As did I, You could almost call it a successful day
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> PIE was in a cornfield
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> 1km from a road
[15:46] <Randomskk> babbage get cold feet?
[15:46] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I guess someone got VERY wet then?
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> no its dry here
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> sun just came out
[15:46] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Lucky you!
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> still windy out
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> just heading back to Daves
[15:47] <LeoBodnar> Afternoon Upu_M0UPU
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> cut down resistor hadn't triggered
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> so bear was still attached
[15:47] <Upu_M0UPU> as was most of the balloon
[15:47] <Mike_MJW> Congratulations Dave
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[15:48] <Upu_M0UPU> dave says thanks
[15:48] <Upu_M0UPU> how was the radio singal ?
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[15:48] <Upu_M0UPU> signal
[15:49] <LeoBodnar> Iain_G4SGX_: GPS needs tonnes of power when it wakes up. Basically it is break even between putting it to sleep every 1.5 minutes or running it in power save mode
[15:49] <Mike_MJW> I would have tracked if I had been at home
[15:50] <LeoBodnar> Is Ted there too Upu_M0UPU ?
[15:50] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[15:50] <Upu_M0UPU> in the boot
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[15:51] <LeoBodnar> he had a tough day
[15:51] <fsphil> I'll be beary tired
[15:51] <fsphil> He*
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[15:51] <g4vxe> Glad to hear Babbage is recovered!
[15:52] <yllwfsh> congrats!
[15:52] <Mike_MJW> We lost video just as you left for Neterton
[15:52] <Upu_M0UPU> yes we left humanity
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[15:52] <Mike_MJW> Netherton rather.
[15:52] <Upu_M0UPU> and civilisation
[15:52] <Upu_M0UPU> Eben says he beared up well
[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> and Dave says he survided his trip through the tropopaws
[15:53] <Mike_MJW> lots of people on BATC saying rhey couldnt bear waiting
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[15:53] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: Excellent work. I've got my PIC tracker working OK but now its done I feel a little deflated, need a new project. Im very impressed with DominoEX and am trying to find another FSK transmitter module that can do the small requency changes needed. No luck yet.
[15:53] <cm13g09> I can't bear these jokes much longer.....
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[15:54] <Mike_MJW> someone suggested it had landed in a private area, you had been shipped off to Paddington Green by MI6
[15:54] <cm13g09> Mike_MJW: watch it :P
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[15:54] <yllwfsh> yeah we felt beary lonely over at BATC
[15:54] <Randomskk> at the peak we had ten people uploading a sentence every second
[15:54] <Upu_M0UPU> server handled it
[15:54] <Upu_M0UPU> ?
[15:54] <Randomskk> or rather, 100 uploads inside 10 seconds
[15:54] <Randomskk> didn't break a sweat
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> super
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[15:55] <Randomskk> load average was like 0.3
[15:55] <LeoBodnar> Semtech has some new chips coming soon Iain_G4SGX_
[15:55] <Randomskk> we broke 100Mbps though
[15:55] <Randomskk> briefly
[15:55] <Mike_MJW> bearly broke sweat?
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> nice
[15:55] <CleoQc_> so in what state are the bear and pie for the late comers like myself?
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> anywa
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> bbq
[15:55] <Upu_M0UPU> bbl
[15:56] <Upu_M0UPU> thanks for tracking all!
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[15:56] <fsphil> CleoQc_: on the ground, will find out more later
[15:56] <CleoQc_> still together?
[15:57] <fsphil> he didn't jump this time, but he'll claw his way back for next time
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[15:57] <fsphil> no report of damage but I'm not sure
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[15:57] <CleoQc_> Poor Babbage got scared
[15:57] <fsphil> and he was suppose to be the "I Don't Care Bear"
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[15:58] <mikestir> impressed with DominoEx. That last burst just got completely trampled by our room stat and it still worked perfectly
[15:58] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: I shall keep a look out then. Only used 1.2K of assembler for the NTX2 version, got the rest of 128K spare !
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[15:59] <LeoBodnar> Hehe what chip is that?
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[15:59] <LeoBodnar> 18F?
[15:59] <dorsetmark> I'd like to thank Babbage and the team involved for an entertaining afternoon - Thanks for sharing the data
[15:59] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: 18F97J94
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[15:59] <Guest205> Hi, just logged in from BATC for Babbage watching
[16:00] <g4vxe> Agreed about DominoEx. On one of Leo's previous flights I was recovering data at tiny signal levels
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[16:01] <craag> B-10 freq?
[16:01] <number10_M0MDB> 434.510
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[16:01] <dorsetmark> Will any videos be uploaded in the future?
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[16:01] <Randomskk> is B-10 the super cutie ISSesque payload?
[16:01] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[16:01] <Randomskk> yo jcoxon
[16:01] <LeoBodnar> Yes Randomskk
[16:01] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: Could get away with a less pin version but its so new only the 97 is available in singles
[16:01] <number10_M0MDB> afternoon jcoxon
[16:01] <fsphil> dorsetmark: yes hopefully
[16:01] <Randomskk> LeoBodnar: cooool. did it get a case before launch?
[16:02] <craag> Thanks number10_M0MDB
[16:02] <Randomskk> i think it is my favourite-looking payload
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[16:02] <LeoBodnar> Randomskk: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/Pages/4.html
[16:02] <Randomskk> excellent :)
[16:02] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, you coming to the conference?
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[16:03] <dorsetmark> Thanks fsphil
[16:03] <LeoBodnar> Yes jcoxon
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[16:04] <jcoxon> great
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[16:04] <LeoBodnar> Iain_G4SGX_: I will check out these chips, sometimes I struggle to find good PIC for a project
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[16:04] <Mike_MJW> UKHAS conference looks good but clashes with Harwell BBQ!
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[16:04] <daveake_M6RPI> Home
[16:05] <daveake_M6RPI> Mike_MJW Yes shame about the conflict
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[16:05] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: are you working on APRS / ISS stuff?
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[16:05] <Mike_MJW> Well - one finishes at 5pm and the other starts at 7:30, so its possible
[16:05] <fsphil> we could have a UKHAS BBQ?
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[16:06] <craag> We could if weather is good, pub if not.
[16:06] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, indeed
[16:06] <LazyLeopard> If there's a BBQ you know it'll rain...
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[16:06] <fsphil> true
[16:06] <JanJ> While waiting for the data you can still have a short gif resume here : http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/580429PIE.gif
[16:06] <LeoBodnar> Is it looking promising?
[16:06] <jcoxon> ummm
[16:06] <LeoBodnar> Powerwise?
[16:06] <jcoxon> yeah
[16:06] <jcoxon> so it works locally
[16:07] <fsphil> beary nice JanJ
[16:07] <jcoxon> but not yet hitting the ISS
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[16:07] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: I used a dev board and mounted it on a vero to test. http://www.g4sgx.org/images/pic.jpg
[16:07] <g4vxe> Daveake_M6RPI Good flight! Was seeing some signals from you before launch - guess aircraft reflection!
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[16:08] <tweetBot> @daveake: Highest pic from Babbage #RaspberryPi #UKHAS http://t.co/YeTxtuvPgU
[16:08] <daveake_M6RPI> g4vxe Not bad! How far?
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[16:09] <g4vxe> Daveake_M6RPI Probably about 25km!
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[16:10] <LeoBodnar> Iain_G4SGX_: Did you fly it yet?
[16:10] <tvo> ?
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[16:11] <Will_> Hi, I am new to HAB ing and have a transmitter being build for me but dont know where to start with the tracker and was wondering if anyonw could help with just gettign me started with where the SDR, Dl-Fldigi and receiver fit in. I am thinking of buying a http://www.funcubedongle.com/. Will this work with SDRharp directly?
[16:11] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: TED &amp; PIE recovered #raspberrypi #ukhas http://t.co/9dOIy3N19X
[16:11] <cm13g09> It's quite clear nothing changes in reading....
[16:11] <cm13g09> the station is still a building site.....
[16:12] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: can you use lightweight Yagi and TX only when ISS is in the beam?
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[16:12] <craag> Will_: Yes, I used the FCD Pro Plus and SDR# for tracking TED today.
[16:12] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: No not yet, have been struggling with Eagle to make PCB, need to adapt a device as the pic isnt in any library. never used it before so slow going.
[16:13] <LeoBodnar> Can you use version 5 libraries?
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[16:13] <craag> Will_: More of an explanation of how it works can be found here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[16:13] <Will_> Thanks craag. Thats good to know. Do you need to purchase an extra antenna in addition to the cue?
[16:13] <craag> cue?
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[16:15] <RocketBoy> uXABEN recovered
[16:15] <Will_> sorry, the cube - ie FCD
[16:15] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: Not sure, using version 6.5 currently but may be compatable.
[16:15] <craag> Will_: Actually there's a guide on using SDR sharp, it's geared towards the RTLSDR devices, but they're the same type of thing, just a lot worse performance. http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker?s[]=sdr&s[]=tracking
[16:16] <craag> Will_: Yes, you'll need an antenna for the receiver, is this for a chase car, or setup at home?
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[16:16] <Will_> Thanks. Is that the cube FCD that has the worse performance, or the RTLSDR?
[16:16] <craag> Will_: The RTLSDR is a lot worse.
[16:17] <craag> The new funcube dongle is fantastic, it's performance rivals a lot of larger, heavier, real amateur rigs.
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[16:18] <Will_> Great - worth the investment then. So the FCD and SDR sharp together is all thats necessary to track my payload?
[16:18] <craag> You'll need an antenna as well.
[16:18] <Mike_MJW> No - you willl need an antenna of some form
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[16:18] <fsphil> and dl-fldigi to do the actual decoding
[16:18] <Mike_MJW> ideally a directional one but an omni will work
[16:18] <craag> And then you pipe the audio from SDR Sharp into the dl-fldigi software to decode the RTTY.
[16:18] <Willdude123> Hi. How did today's flights go?
[16:18] <fsphil> all recovered Willdude123
[16:19] <Willdude123> Ted bull dropped OK?
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[16:19] <Willdude123> *cutdown
[16:19] <fsphil> nah, he paws'd at the critical moment
[16:19] <craag> Will_: If this is for a chase car, you'll want a magmount 434MHz omni antenna
[16:19] <Mike_MJW> Has anyone come across an alternative to virtual audio cable?
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[16:19] <fsphil> B-10 is currently in the air
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[16:19] <craag> Mike_MJW: Pulseaudio :)
[16:19] <fsphil> man B-10's altitude graph is mental
[16:20] <craag> For windows, no.
[16:20] <Willdude123> Mike_MJW, why do you need an alternative?
[16:20] <Mike_MJW> ....on windows of course. Maybe one could interface SDR sharp to FL-digi directly.
[16:20] <mikestir> craag: we might have had this conversation, but do you use pulseaudio with the "monitor" loopback?
[16:21] <fsphil> that's how I do it
[16:21] <Willdude123> Mike_MJW, why do you need an alternative ? It works well enough.
[16:21] <Will_> Awesome. Thanks craag/mike. Its a lot clearer now. It will be a car chase so will pick up the magmount. I downloaded an iphone "Habhub" app and wondered if that will do the same, provided that i have 3g signal?
[16:21] <Mike_MJW> Pulseaudio is an option but the frequency control is more difficult in linux.
[16:21] <Willdude123> Will_, damn you'
[16:21] <Willdude123> re
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[16:22] <Willdude123> gonna mess up tab completes
[16:22] <Willdude123> For me.
[16:22] <Willdude123> (small keyboard)
[16:22] <fsphil> do you often talk to yourself Willdude123 ? :)
[16:22] <Will_> Sorry, dont know what ive done wrong here. Too nay wills
[16:22] <Will_> Sorry, dont know what ive done wrong here. Too many wills
[16:23] <Willdude123> You haven't
[16:23] <Willdude123> I was kidding
[16:23] <fsphil> tab completion means you can type in a few letters of a nick, and press tab - it fills in the rest
[16:23] <Will_> :-)
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[16:23] <Mike_MJW> fsphil: So it does!
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[16:23] <fsphil> but if there's more than a few nicks that start the same, it takes a few presses of tab to get it right :)
[16:23] <Will_> Gotcha
[16:23] <UpuAtDaves> ping LeoBodnar got a link to images of your payload ?
[16:23] <UpuAtDaves> and what freq is B10 on ?
[16:23] <fsphil> there are quite a few daves here too, and a few phils
[16:23] <Mike_MJW> No Mikes though!
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[16:23] <mikestir> .
[16:23] <Willdude123> UpuAtDaves, did Ted drop when he needed to?
[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.355
[16:24] <Willdude123> And was the habduino ok?
[16:24] <fsphil> that didn't launch
[16:24] <Willdude123> Oh OK
[16:24] <Willdude123> And what happened to ted?
[16:24] <LeoBodnar> UpuAtDaves: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/ 434.510
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[16:25] <Will_> Has anyone used the HABHUB iPhone app?
[16:25] <mattbrejza> android ftq
[16:25] <mattbrejza> w
[16:25] <fsphil> not many people here seem to have iphones.. weirdly
[16:25] <fsphil> considering how popular macbooks are
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[16:26] <mikestir> well macbooks are quite good, iphones aren't
[16:26] <LeoBodnar> I have used it and it's OK Will_
[16:27] <Mike_MJW> I just remembered I have a PI doing nothing and a spare FCD Proplus. I could make it into a remote server if it has enough processing power.
[16:27] <LeoBodnar> For sending back the position of the car mostly
[16:27] <mattbrejza> so this round of my decoder vs fldigi was 356 - 249 (me - fldigi)
[16:27] <Will_> Thanks Leo. There are a few androids in out chase car too if there is a similar app
[16:28] <Will_> Thanks Leo. There are a few androids in our chase car too if there is a similar app
[16:28] <SamSilver> Thanks Leo. There are a few androids in our chase car too if there is a similar app
[16:29] <Will_> Yep, there is one for android
[16:29] <craag> 'HAB Tracker and Modem' I think it's called
[16:29] <craag> Does decoding of audio RTTY too!
[16:29] <mattbrejza> catchy :)
[16:29] <SamSilver> very
[16:29] <Will_> Nice. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pexat.habhub.chasecartracker&hl=en_GB
[16:29] <Randomskk> mattbrejza: oh wow, nice going. why is it beating fldigi so much?
[16:30] <mattbrejza> tbh fldigi could have lost the signal for a while
[16:30] <mattbrejza> i wasnt watching it
[16:30] <Randomskk> lol
[16:30] <mattbrejza> mine normally beats fldigi but not by that margin
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[16:31] <SpeedEvil> homebase 15% off this weekend.
[16:31] <SpeedEvil> so if you care...
[16:31] <mattbrejza> time to make all the antennas
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[16:33] <Mike_MJW> Can you run android on a PI?
[16:34] <g4vxe> Mike: believe so, but not tried it
[16:35] <Mike_MJW> Suppose it would be short on RAM, not to mention a touch screen. I suspect a PI won't run fl-digi and an SDR application at the same time.
[16:36] <fsphil> it can't really run fldigi on its own
[16:36] <Mike_MJW> But if we could get fl-digi to work with IQ input rather than audio,
[16:36] <fsphil> some people have reported it working but I've found it to be just slightly too slow for real time decoding
[16:36] <Mike_MJW> fsphil: Thanks - I thought that likely.
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[16:37] <fsphil> it did seem to be using a lot of cpu time drawing the screen
[16:37] <fsphil> not sure if it's the fltk or xorg
[16:37] <g4vxe> Fsphil: Did you try disabling the multi channel decode. I read that helped
[16:37] <Mike_MJW> A remote server needs no screen refreshing, or at least not often.
[16:37] <fsphil> I'm not sure what that is g4vxe?
[16:38] <Mike_MJW> There are several alternatives to the PI that might be better.
[16:39] <g4vxe> I think by default it will try to decode whatever signals it hears in the bandwidth. But you can force it to only decode one, saving processing power. But that was something I read and haven't tried yet :-)
[16:39] <fsphil> I think it only does that if the signal browser is opened
[16:39] <craag> fsphil: In more recent versions, yes. In the current dl-fldigi release, no.
[16:40] <fsphil> aah interesting
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[16:42] <fsphil> I've one on the desk here, I must try compiling a newer one
[16:42] <fsphil> wouldn't mind giving wayland a spin too
[16:44] <cm13g09> Poor Mitch and Jenny, between them they must love and hate me....
[16:45] <cm13g09> I seem to repeatedly ordering from Hackvana...
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[16:46] <Randomskk> I'm sure they don't mind too much ;)
[16:46] <cm13g09> Randomskk: probably not a huge amount
[16:47] <LeoBodnar> How do you disable multichannel decode in dl-fldigi?
[16:47] <cm13g09> but it is always the case that I have something a bit wacky about the design....
[16:47] <Randomskk> I don't think it does multichannel decode in rtty or dominox modes?
[16:49] <fsphil> it has a signal browser for rtty and psk
[16:50] <Randomskk> oh huh. thought that was only for psk
[16:50] <fsphil> it used to be
[16:50] <fsphil> the rtty one is fairly new
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[16:56] <Iain_G4SGX_> I wonder if anyone has approached foil ballon makers to commision a batch of extra thick and extra sealed HAB versions? Think I might mnake enquiries.
[16:56] <WillTablet> eroomde you around?
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[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Iain_G4SGX_: seems unlikely - they are made in _vast_ volume
[17:15] <SpeedEvil> Iain_G4SGX_: and will be bought in from china excliusively
[17:16] <Iain_G4SGX_> Thats a shame. Whats the max payload weight for a foil balloon?
[17:17] <Iain_G4SGX_> I need to test my prototype but its not on a pcb so quite heavy with batteries i should imagine
[17:18] <craag> Iain_G4SGX_: You could do 100g I think, but it wouldn't go very high at all. Lighter is better!
[17:18] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: how are you running the ublox?
[17:18] <G7PMO_Kev> Iain - I was going to say 60g :)
[17:18] <Laurenceb_> some kind of low power mode?
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[17:19] <craag> 60g would be a bit more of a sane limit.
[17:19] <LeoBodnar> Iain_G4SGX_: http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:microballoons:foil-floaters-leo.png
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[17:20] <LeoBodnar> About 60 g is max for 36"
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: shutting it down between TX
[17:21] <Laurenceb_> ah cool
[17:21] <Laurenceb_> with ram backup?
[17:21] <Laurenceb_> and rtc?
[17:21] <LeoBodnar> Yes
[17:22] <Laurenceb_> cool
[17:22] <Laurenceb_> is there an info page?
[17:22] <PE2G> Hi all, what's the current dial for B-10?
[17:22] <Laurenceb_> also - the telemetry solar panel info - its voltage?
[17:22] <Iain_G4SGX_> Thanks, just what I needed. Will have to wait til I sort out the PCB then, its 60g without batteries currently but I could maybe lose 10g or so.
[17:24] <Iain_G4SGX_> Took me 2 months to write all the code, and the last 2-3 weeks fruitlessly trying to get to grips with adapting a device in Eagle..:(
[17:24] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Shame it cant be rain powered
[17:24] <G7PMO_Kev> :)
[17:24] <G7PMO_Kev> Iain - which device have you been trying to adapt?
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[17:25] <Laurenceb_> ooh nice work Leobodnar
[17:25] <Laurenceb_> how are you charging the lipo?
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[17:26] <x-f> LeoBodnar, my site won't be available for another 3-4 hours, sorry
[17:26] <Iain_G4SGX_> erm, not got it in front of me, but I'm using a 1897J94 and theres no lkibrary part available for it yet. There IS a siliar pic with same footprint though which I can adapt, i think..
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[17:26] <Iain_G4SGX_> *18F97J94
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[17:27] <G7PMO_Kev> ok, several tutorials about adapting parts online, as well as lots of other people who have made parts...
[17:28] <Iain_G4SGX_> Found a few but didnt work with my version (6.5) , no worries I'll work it out
[17:29] <Iain_G4SGX_> Google is my friend in this respect.
[17:29] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: with MPPT chip. You should probably ask how am I overcharging it at the moment
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> oops
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> 4.4v O_o
[17:29] <LeoBodnar> SHould have cut off at 4.2V
[17:29] <Laurenceb_> which chip?
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> ST one. Maybe voltage reference error but probably not.
[17:30] <Laurenceb_> ah ok
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> I wish sunset came sooner
[17:31] <LeoBodnar> Solar panels are too efficient and power saving is too good. XD
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[17:31] <Laurenceb_> did you test the charger ?
[17:31] <Laurenceb_> maybe the ADC is off
[17:32] <Lunar_Lander> evening
[17:32] <LeoBodnar> cheers x-f no rush, I can wait until after 22:30 XD
[17:33] <LeoBodnar> Yes, I did, but not cutoff limit
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[17:33] <Iain_G4SGX_> When a oil bursts, is it generally at the seams or does it rip?
[17:33] <Iain_G4SGX_> *foil
[17:34] <LeoBodnar> Usually rips
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> i keep meaning to make a test rig
[17:34] <LeoBodnar> evening Lunar_Lander
[17:34] <Laurenceb_> i could use an electronics blood pressure meter with custom firmware
[17:34] <LeoBodnar> Why tab does not autocomplete the rest of the sentences?
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, you fly again!!!
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> yay :)
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> LeoBodnar, I was busy this week, would you like to see what I made?
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[17:36] <LeoBodnar> Yes :)
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[17:37] <Laurenceb_> a cake?
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[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/s/k/8/5yv8w0-kvi543-uldz/Bildschirmfotovom20130823213507.png
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> no a board :)
[17:39] <fsphil> mmmm cake
[17:40] <LeoBodnar> Ah, well done Lunar_Lander
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[17:40] <tweetBot> @draziraphale: @CoderDojo Wow! @daveake: Highest pic from Babbage #RaspberryPi #UKHAS http://t.co/AEvOLQFfOR http://t.co/D6f0DEjGKc
[17:41] <LeoBodnar> battery holders - like a bought one!
[17:43] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[17:48] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, have you compiled dl-fldigi on Debian squeeze?
[17:48] <fsphil> yea mike_g0mjw
[17:48] <mike_g0mjw> I am getting a libcurl missing error - but its installed
[17:48] <mike_g0mjw> I think....
[17:48] <Iain_G4SGX_> Is there a prediction available for B10? Looks like its coming back east.
[17:49] <fsphil> I basically do this mike_g0mjw: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
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[17:49] <fsphil> if B-10 heads north west a bit I might actually pick it up
[17:50] <Babs> great flight daveake - congrats
[17:50] <PE2G> Iain_G4SGX_: FWIW: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/14115_trj001.gif
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[17:50] <fsphil> ah there's a station not far from me
[17:50] <Iain_G4SGX_> There you go fsphil
[17:50] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: does the lipo cell have a protection circuit in the top?
[17:50] <LeoBodnar> Guess!
[17:50] <Laurenceb_> no?
[17:51] <LeoBodnar> Correct :)
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> it was just a bare cell?
[17:51] <mike_g0mjw> Ah -so it needed the dev which isn't available on debian's servers
[17:51] <LeoBodnar> IT's just a tiny bare celll
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> i see
[17:51] <Laurenceb_> as almost all leaded ones have a protector
[17:51] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: should be
[17:51] <LeoBodnar> ST thingy should have regulated the voltage to 4.2V
[17:52] <LeoBodnar> It did on the ground
[17:52] <Laurenceb_> interesting
[17:52] <Laurenceb_> it is very cold
[17:53] <Randomskk> what's the reference voltage for the ADC measuring the battery?
[17:53] <Laurenceb_> maybe combination of ST drift and ADC drift
[17:53] <Randomskk> could that (or the divider) drifted?
[17:53] <LeoBodnar> IT's internal 1.20V bandgap reference in the PIC
[17:53] <mike_g0mjw> hmm - seem to be missing hamlib too.
[17:54] <Randomskk> oh well the divider shouldn't make any difference
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[17:54] <Randomskk> bandgap ought to be pretty temperature stable
[17:54] <Iain_G4SGX_> ST thingy not good with the cold maybe.
[17:54] <Randomskk> weird. must be the ST I guess
[17:55] <LeoBodnar> No idea, I'll just reduce cutoff to 4.0V next time. It is considered OK to maintain 4.0V constant charge on LiPos via trickle charge
[17:55] <Randomskk> it's only at -3C right now though?
[17:55] <LeoBodnar> Never liked ST stuff...
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[17:56] <LeoBodnar> It was -8C few minutes ago. I hope it's not burning
[17:56] <LeoBodnar> Good point Iain_G4SGX_
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: 4V is fine
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> -25C operational Iain_G4SGX_ so should be OK
[17:57] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: run apt-get update ?
[17:57] <LeoBodnar> Fix for next time
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> burning?
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> leo, what about ST?
[17:58] <LeoBodnar> I did not expect solar panels to be that good, and they get better when cold
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[17:58] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, I have done that - so I installed libhamlib++
[17:58] <fsphil> squeeze is debian 6 right?
[17:59] <mike_g0mjw> libhamlib++-dev
[17:59] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, Yes.
[17:59] <fsphil> weird. I didn't have to do any of that
[17:59] <mike_g0mjw> Maybe you had installed it before
[17:59] <fsphil> it might have pulled it in with: apt-get build-dep fldigi
[17:59] <fsphil> as fldigi depends on hamlib
[17:59] <mike_g0mjw> Or maybe it depends on what you installed
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[18:00] <fsphil> building it on the Pi atm
[18:00] <mike_g0mjw> when you first installed squeeze. I think this is via a CD rather than a DVD
[18:00] <LeoBodnar> Don't know, they just seem very bland company
[18:00] <fsphil> yea I removed the CD source
[18:00] <fsphil> it wouldn't fetch patches online
[18:00] <fsphil> packages*
[18:01] <mike_g0mjw> quite a few warnings.
[18:01] <mike_g0mjw> I also removed the CD source.
[18:01] <mike_g0mjw> Now where has it put it!
[18:02] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: they make stm32, so its not all bad
[18:03] <LeoBodnar> They are not bad, just faceless. Haven't they bought somebody to get access to Cortex-M?
[18:04] <mike_g0mjw> Ah - need to run from command line.
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> i dont know
[18:04] <mikestir> wasn't that TI? they bought luminary micro
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> but yeah they are pretty disorganised
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> their mems stuff is aweful
[18:04] <Laurenceb_> full of dsp bugs
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[18:05] <LeoBodnar> Oh well, they good diodes and MOSFETs, it will do for now
[18:05] <blackbox> Hey guys, is this the place, where I can ask questions related to HAB platforms?
[18:05] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, Do I need to use pulseaudio?
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> Automotive industry seems to like ST MCUs
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[18:06] <LeoBodnar> Hi blackbox ! YOu can ask HAB questions anywhere but this is the place where you can get some answers
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:06] <blackbox> hahaha..
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> we also discuss german zebras http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/rheinland-pfalz-zirkus-zebra-loest-in-bitburg-polizeieinsatz-aus-a-914835.html
[18:07] <blackbox> alright, can you guys help me with something. I wanted to know what a HAB radio license is
[18:07] <blackbox> what does HAB stand for?
[18:07] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: not directly from dl-fldigi
[18:07] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: portaudio handles that
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> Have you looked at http://ukhas.org.uk yet?
[18:07] <mike_g0mjw> so portaudio then. It doesnt work with the mic - well maybe it does
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> HAB is high altitude balloon
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> OR did you mean HAM license?
[18:08] <blackbox> oh my bad.. I meant HAM
[18:08] <blackbox> yea HAM
[18:08] <blackbox> sorry
[18:08] <LeoBodnar> THere are few hams here
[18:08] <blackbox> what does it stand for?
[18:09] <Iain_G4SGX_> That reminds me to chase up on that RSGB VHF guy onthe Ofcom thang..
[18:09] <Guest205> Do you need a HAM lic., for dl-fldigi
[18:09] <Guest205> ...as it ask for a callsign
[18:09] <blackbox> I just want to know what it means.. :s m I in trouble?? :p
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> Origins of why radio amateur is called HAM are unclear
[18:09] <Iain_G4SGX_> No licence needed or receiving, stick anything you like in.
[18:09] <LeoBodnar> HAM = radio amateur
[18:10] <blackbox> wow.. so there is no full form?
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[18:10] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, It tells me there is a new version available.... back to the cloning
[18:10] <Iain_G4SGX_> Its an american origin thing i beleive. Almost slang over here in the UK
[18:10] <Guest205> Cool! I'm going to get a DAB do-dah for my MacBook and have a play :-)
[18:10] <Iain_G4SGX_> cos we speak proper! lol
[18:10] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: ignore that
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[18:10] <blackbox> hahaha.. we surely speak proper :p
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[18:11] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: it says that for self-compiled versions
[18:11] <Laurenceb_> we proper speak proper innit like
[18:11] <blackbox> you got that right mate!
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> pwopa innit?
[18:11] <blackbox> Cheers!
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> Guest205, actually the callsign is printed to spacenear.us when you receive a balloon
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> just for reference
[18:11] <Lunar_Lander> mine is just LUNAR for example
[18:11] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, OK - I will ignore it. But I have no audio so need to work on that.
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> Anyway, HAM stuff...
[18:12] <blackbox> yea.. HAM please :p
[18:12] <blackbox> so its basically an amateur radio
[18:12] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: it defaults to no audio, you have to configure it
[18:12] <blackbox> I mean.. its a person who is an amateur in handling a radio
[18:12] <blackbox> right?
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> HAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett
[18:12] <blackbox> wow!
[18:12] <blackbox> hahahaa
[18:13] <Iain_G4SGX_> No, a radio amateur gets a licence to transmit on certain frequencies
[18:13] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, I did and ...
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> No, it is a licensed radio operator doing it for non-commercial reasons
[18:13] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, Caught signal 11
[18:13] <mike_g0mjw> Aborting dl-fldigi due to a fatal error.
[18:13] <mike_g0mjw> Please report this to: fldigi-devel@lists.berlios.de
[18:13] <mike_g0mjw> or file a bug report at: https://fedorahosted.org/fldigi/newticket
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> what country are you from?
[18:13] <blackbox> UK
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> http://rsgb.org/
[18:13] <Guest205> There seems a bit of a black hole in the Harlow area so I could ad to coverage. Was getting one for flightradar24.com too
[18:14] <blackbox> ahh thanks a ton!
[18:14] <fsphil> mike_g0mjw: euuu
[18:14] <Iain_G4SGX_> Plenty radio amateurs in Manchester..
[18:14] <blackbox> well.. I am from Manchester
[18:14] <mike_g0mjw> So don't try and select microphone under OSS
[18:14] <Iain_G4SGX_> no nway! lol
[18:14] <fsphil> don't use oss
[18:14] <blackbox> yep..
[18:14] <fsphil> oss hasn't been supported in years
[18:14] <Iain_G4SGX_> Your IP tells as much
[18:15] <blackbox> I am in Sackville street at the moment...
[18:15] <mike_g0mjw> I don't but I only read it after - the mixer tab shouldnt be there
[18:15] <mike_g0mjw> for portaudio devices
[18:15] <Iain_G4SGX_> No seriously, a visit to the local radio club would be the best thing, ill find you an emai addy..
[18:16] <blackbox> okie!
[18:16] <Iain_G4SGX_> http://www.wmrc.org.uk/ Try them..
[18:16] <blackbox> Cheers!
[18:17] <blackbox> Alright guys.. I am going to go now. Dinner time.
[18:17] <mike_g0mjw> Darn it- mic muted in the mixer!
[18:17] <blackbox> Thanks for all your help
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[18:20] <Laurenceb_> sunset
[18:20] <Laurenceb_> looks like
[18:22] <mike_g0mjw> fsphil, It was a muted mic - hidden under desktops second mixer icon volume control button 3rd tab, input.
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> Yes, voltages are coming down.
[18:25] Nick change: UpuAtDaves -> daveake
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> Temperature drops too
[18:25] <Guest205> Any recommendation for a cheap(isn) but reliable DAB-TV suitable for tracking etc?
[18:25] <LeoBodnar> I have never had foil balloon at above 8000m before.
[18:26] <Guest205> ..to plug into my MacBook Pro? Got the dl-fldigi up and running but looks complicated to a noob
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[18:28] <Iain_G4SGX_> Wondering how best to power my test board. pic will run down to 2V, dont know about the NTX2. a 1.5V to 3V DC-DC converter? Need to run of 1 x AA
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[18:30] <LeoBodnar> NTX2 seems to be the limiting factor.
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[18:31] <LeoBodnar> My PIC does not run even at 1.9V so datasheet data is strict.
[18:32] <LeoBodnar> 2xAA or 2xAAA seems ideal Iain_G4SGX_
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> Then you can run NTX2 direct and use step-down for PIC and GPS if you care about energy (and you do)
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[18:35] <Laurenceb_> you could run an stm32 off 1.8v
[18:35] <Laurenceb_> or even 1.6v
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[18:39] <LeoBodnar> We need floating solar panel power stations.
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> as opposed to space solar power
[18:39] <Laurenceb_> that might actually work
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[18:41] <Laurenceb_> still the slight issue of nightime
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[18:41] <Laurenceb_> but at least its predictable
[18:41] <LeoBodnar> When does space solar power becomes break-even if launched with modern rocket?
[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> you mean something like Atlas V?
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[18:42] <LeoBodnar> One of them things that go up [mostly]
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[18:43] <DL7AD> good evening
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> I mean when the solar panel can produce more energy that it has taken for it to be made and sent up
[18:43] <Guest205> Bump
[18:43] <tweetBot> @finlayedridge: Fab! Hope my first HAB flight next wk gets a photo like this @daveake: Highest pic from Babbage #RaspberryPi #UKHAS http://t.co/Ng2VSrz1zu
[18:43] <LeoBodnar> Good evening DL7AD
[18:44] <Laurenceb_> very quickly
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[18:44] <Laurenceb_> cost of launch isnt in terms of energy
[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> Hi Tom
[18:44] Nick change: mike -> Guest4210
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> I am interested in energy
[18:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> DominoEX4 takes REALLY long to transmit telemetry ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGl5DKTHoTM
[18:45] <Guest4210> fsphil, If you ever use a Dell laptop with Debian, there is a line that needs to be added to the also configuration to get the microphone to work.
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Space solar is really questionable today.
[18:45] Nick change: Bo|2 -> Bo_DK
[18:45] <LeoBodnar> Aren't modern solar panels still need 5 years to pay for themselves?
[18:45] <SpeedEvil> Ground based solar seems likely to be _enormously_ cheaper
[18:46] <SpeedEvil> it depends on the subsidy regimen.
[18:46] <Guest4210> in my case this is: options snd-hda-intel model=dell-s14
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> Yes it does, I had an HF tracker with DomEX 4
[18:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: on which band You are working with it?
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[18:49] <LeoBodnar> 26.960MHz ISM
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> i want to try wideband PA with trap antenna and switch between 30,20,15 meters band
[18:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> Ham bands
[18:51] <Laurenceb_> LeoBodnar: B-10 is on 434?
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> yes
[18:52] <LeoBodnar> Cut down your telemetry to absolute minumum!
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> No trailing zeros, no ":" in timecode, reduce GPS precision, etc
[18:53] <Laurenceb_> whats the mean current draw?
[18:54] <craag> LeoBodnar: You can also lose the decimal point in the lat/lon
[18:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> : in timecode isnt nessesary?
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[18:54] <LeoBodnar> No SP9UOB-Tom
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> Yes, you can even reduce voltages to single digit and post-scale in payload doc, etc
[18:55] <Guest205> Any recommendation for a DVB dongle for a MacBook Pro to allow me to use dl-fldigi to track HAB's. I understand it requires a specific Realtek chipset?
[18:56] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: 17mW over 24 hours
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[18:56] <Laurenceb_> not bad at all
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[18:56] <Laurenceb_> so like 12ma or something?
[18:56] <Laurenceb_> no, 8
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> BUt GPS needs a lot of peak current when it wakes up. Not sure what internal R is going to be on a LiPo in the middle of the night
[18:57] <Laurenceb_> i see
[18:57] <Laurenceb_> can it reboot ok?
[18:57] <LeoBodnar> 12mA @ 1.3V
[18:57] <Laurenceb_> wut 1.3??
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> Not sure, I meant to design in a voltage supervisor thing but didn't have spare PCB space left
[18:58] <Laurenceb_> thought you used 2?
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[18:58] <Laurenceb_> cant the pic just fire up off brownout?
[18:58] Nick change: Kipkool -> KipK_aw
[18:58] <LeoBodnar> It's from the previous model that works off 1xAAA. I have done a current draw study, did not have time for this one. STraight out of the oven and into the sky :)
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[19:00] <Laurenceb_> i see
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> how do you get it running off 1.3v ?
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> Brownout have their voltage rise requirements too. It really needs a proper voltage supervisor/reset chip. It's tiny, I should have used it
[19:00] <LeoBodnar> 3 pins
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> interesting
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[19:00] <LeoBodnar> Before step-up, 1xAA input
[19:00] <Laurenceb_> huh
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> i thought there was a lipo?
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> or was this just for testing?
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> THat was testing results from the version that worked of 1xAA. Essentially B-10 is the same thing but with a step-down instead. So power requirements are almost the same.
[19:03] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: something like that but in smaller package http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?CMP=i-ddd7-00001003&sku=1188030
[19:04] <Laurenceb_> got you
[19:04] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: dont You affraid cold at the night (LiPos doesnt like cold)
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[19:05] <LeoBodnar> I am not, I am a bit of a rebel.
[19:05] Nick change: KipK_aw -> Kipkool
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[19:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> ;)
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[19:10] <LeoBodnar> Have you flown this week SP9UOB-Tom ? The wind was not very good here.
[19:10] <Laurenceb_> flying back to you LeoBodnar
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[19:11] <x-f> "it's dark, i'm going home"
[19:11] <LeoBodnar> If not cloud cover I could have probably seen it in the sunset
[19:11] <Laurenceb_> im suprised the panel still has a voltage
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[19:11] <LeoBodnar> Good thing is if it deflates and descends I can catch it
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[19:11] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: No i have ran out of gas ;-)
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> It's MPPT so the current drops keeping voltage at max efficiency point. That happens to be around 0.5v
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[19:12] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: Its really stressfull carrying 5 cubic meters of hydrogen in my car ;-)
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[19:12] <LeoBodnar> Oh, I have as well. Is it easy to get where you live?
[19:13] <LeoBodnar> You fly hydrogen floaters?
[19:13] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: no problem to get hydrogen - just one call to order - it costs about 8 GBP per cylinder (5.5 co m)
[19:14] <x-f> you must be missing a zero there
[19:14] <LeoBodnar> Sounds cheap
[19:14] <daveake> Costs 70 here
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[19:14] <LeoBodnar> We are coming over Tom.
[19:14] <daveake> Well including delivery and 1 month rental
[19:14] <Laurenceb_> wut
[19:15] <Laurenceb_> gps just got stolen
[19:15] <Laurenceb_> by passing fighter jet
[19:15] <LeoBodnar> oO?
[19:15] <Laurenceb_> Satellites: 4
[19:15] <Laurenceb_> prob it
[19:15] <daveake> power saving?
[19:16] <LeoBodnar> Yes, expect weirdness and mayhem. Later becoming good.
[19:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> bootle rental is 1 Pln/day - it ta about 0.20 GPB
[19:17] <LeoBodnar> I have given up on trying to understand how UBLOX works
[19:17] <SP9UOB-Tom> but i have to deliver by myself (about 3 km driving)
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[19:18] <LeoBodnar> We need an international pipeline
[19:18] <LeoBodnar> Or just send the balloons here :)
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[19:19] <Iain_G4SGX_> B10 just had an altitude spike
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[19:20] <Laurenceb_> im guessing it wait for valid gps position?
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> and first gps position was only 4 sats, so poor accuracy
[19:20] <Laurenceb_> now its 6 sats, and accurate
[19:20] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar do you have a website for B-10?
[19:21] <Laurenceb_> ok its really getting dark now
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[19:21] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it waits for correct fix (3D only) and non-zero coordinates so maybe something happened in between those two requests.
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[19:22] <Laurenceb_> yeah id imagine itd be prone to glitches like this
[19:22] <LeoBodnar> Just a tiny page so far http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-10/
[19:22] <G7PMO_Kev> LeoBodnar: any info on why the mobile-tracker graphs are not working?
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[19:22] <LeoBodnar> No idea but x-f is fixing his website and it is full of goodness!
[19:23] <G7PMO_Kev> x-f's website?
[19:23] <LeoBodnar> This was a link when it was alive http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/df5b557049df9d0236fc9804e6dbd9ab
[19:24] <Iain_G4SGX_> Was an intersesting program on radio4 the other day about the proliferation of GPS jamming devices, apparantly white van man uses them to disguise their locations. Could do without flying over any of those.
[19:24] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom: what range do you expect for 10m band?
[19:25] <G7PMO_Kev> thanks Leo,
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: I have world record :-) 4,170 miles on 29 MHz (1 Watt output)
[19:25] <Laurenceb_> looks like the lipo has survived
[19:25] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: that Was RTTY
[19:25] <bertrik> nice
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[19:26] <LeoBodnar> Ah, we are not allowed to do it here :)
[19:26] <LeoBodnar> vertical dipole?
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[19:27] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: I am surprised as well
[19:27] <G7PMO_Kev> Mmm, Lipo still working at -26...
[19:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was this flight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJemBEbE3lc
[19:28] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: yes vertical dipole
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[19:31] <Iain_G4SGX_> Always seem to miss the first line of telemetry here but get the second.
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[19:33] <LeoBodnar> Hm, maybe DomEX needs longer sync preamble
[19:34] <Iain_G4SGX_> Oh no! Think of all that wated power you'd need for that ! lol
[19:35] <Iain_G4SGX_> *extra
[19:35] <Laurenceb_> heh very dark now
[19:35] <Iain_G4SGX_> Probably OK with stronger sig strength..
[19:36] <Laurenceb_> does it transmit less at might?
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> At the moment the power is coming out of B-10's ears.
[19:36] <LeoBodnar> No, same pattern throughout.
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[19:38] <Bo_DK> stupid wifi :-(
[19:38] <LeoBodnar> It's probably better to burn excess energy during the day if LiPo voltage goes above 4.1V, e.g. keep transmitting more often until it falls back.
[19:38] <SpeedEvil> quite
[19:38] <Iain_G4SGX_> Good idea
[19:39] <SpeedEvil> maybe also if battery is relatively high after a night - transmit some before the sun comes up
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> At this charge rate LiPo will be cooked to death tomorrow.
[19:39] <Bo_DK> do we have a person that knows eagle and switching regulators that can help me with my board so i can sendt it to fabrication?
[19:39] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it can sort of estimate remaining energy and plan to burn it out by the sunrise.
[19:39] <Bo_DK> very unsure on myself with the chioce of diodes and layout
[19:40] <LeoBodnar> If it does not work, reverse the polarity
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[19:40] <Laurenceb_> haha
[19:40] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: is there any hint to dominoex? Im often loosing first few characters. Is there any sync byte required or something?
[19:41] <Bo_DK> LeoBodnar: you have some code that can do that? ie predict what charge would be and burn off before sun?
[19:41] <LeoBodnar> No, but certainly it may be quite basic.
[19:41] <Bo_DK> ok...
[19:42] <Bo_DK> an idea could be to log what you get each day and use that for next days prediction?
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> just some dump resistors
[19:42] <Iain_G4SGX_> LED?
[19:42] <Laurenceb_> they could double as drop mass releases
[19:43] <Laurenceb_> to drop 1 gram masses
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> SP9UOB-Tom: you need some sync pattern at the beginning, as to how long it is either experiment or look through fldigi source code for hints. They are saying "it's quick to lock in" but quick can be different :)
[19:43] <LeoBodnar> Yes, nighttime warmer.
[19:43] <bertrik> I wonder that about THOR too
[19:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: and what the pattern should look ?
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[19:44] <LeoBodnar> Good idea. BUt I suspect there is already a simple mechanical or chemical way of doing it.
[19:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> Laurenceb_: just burn some RCandy fulel, in 1gram portions
[19:44] <LeoBodnar> Just use smaller battery next time :)
[19:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> fired with resistors
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> good idea
[19:45] <bertrik> THOR sends 16 '0' symbols and then an idle symbol as pre-amble
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> but youd need a very hot resistor
[19:45] <Laurenceb_> i find really hot resistors fail too quickly
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> Sound about right. You need to break any "sync lock" that Domex/thor think they have by listening to noise
[19:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> bertrik: 17 symbols take ages at DominoEx4 ;-)
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[19:46] <LeoBodnar> SOme varicodes are better then the others in this respect
[19:47] <LeoBodnar> Experiment with different chars and lengths
[19:47] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok im going to dig in fldigi source :-)
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> There is no required pattern SP9UOB-Tom
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> So whatever works, use it
[19:48] <Randomskk> some people like UUUU because it's alternating every bit
[19:48] <Randomskk> but also $$$$$$ is common
[19:49] <mattbrejza> surely a repeating pattern is bad from a finding start of frame point of view?
[19:49] <SP9UOB-Tom> UUUUU in secondary characterset should be ok :-)
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[19:50] <mattbrejza> it depends on the scheme i suppose
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> Maybe make firmware recycle sync chars and observe
[19:50] <mattbrejza> it doesnt really make much difference for rs232 rtty
[19:50] <LeoBodnar> Randomskk: "U" is three tones code in DomEX while most other chars are 2 or 1
[19:50] <Randomskk> yea might not work so well for domex
[19:50] <Randomskk> didn't know it was three tones. that's weird. why?
[19:50] <chrisg7ogx> just got back from scoffing. Is there aNTHING STILL UP AND TXING PLEASE?
[19:51] <mattbrejza> three symbols rather than three tones
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> Ideally you want a sync char that is statistically unique when affected by noise
[19:52] <Iain_G4SGX_> Would have though 0xFF would be good.
[19:53] <mattbrejza> how many tones are used in domex4?
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[19:53] <Randomskk> ideally you want a decoder that is actually looking for sync chars :P
[19:54] <LeoBodnar> 18
[19:54] <x-f> chrisg7ogx, B-10 on 434.510
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[19:54] <LeoBodnar> Murray Greenman just made Varicode alphabet up
[19:54] <mattbrejza> and so its a var-length code, where characters are sent in either 1,2 or 3 symbols?
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> Obviously statistically more frequent characters got shorter symbols
[19:55] <LeoBodnar> like Morse code
[19:55] <mattbrejza> so surely the best sync char is a few 1-legnth ones so that when you start the sentence it isnt expecting more symbols for a character?
[19:55] <Randomskk> U is uncommon?
[19:55] <chrisg7ogx> x-f tks
[19:55] <Laurenceb_> whats the lipo capacity?
[19:55] <Randomskk> I guess an upper case U isn't that common
[19:56] <Laurenceb_> looks to be losing a millivolt per minute or so
[19:56] <LeoBodnar> They recycle so you want to define the codes number 0 and 17 as soon as possible to stop receiver guessing.
[19:56] <mattbrejza> does domex use tcm too?
[19:57] <LeoBodnar> No sense in using the chars that get translated to symbols towards the centre of the freq band.
[19:58] <LeoBodnar> However I assume that fldigi is clever. THis might be stupid.
[19:58] <mattbrejza> why dont you document these things :/
[19:58] <mattbrejza> are there any other domex rx software other than fldigi?
[19:58] <LeoBodnar> mattbrejza: http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DominoEX%20Varicode%20Table.pdf
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[19:59] <LeoBodnar> Laurenceb_: 190mAh
[20:00] <mattbrejza> thats a bit weird
[20:00] <mattbrejza> oh nm
[20:00] <chrisg7ogx> b-10 great sigs on south coast
[20:00] <Iain_G4SGX_> mattbrejza: Fairly sure HRD decodes dominex, though not certain
[20:00] <chrisg7ogx> yes hrd does
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> so like 20 hours or so?
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> heheh secondary channel is displayed on the statusline :-)
[20:01] <Laurenceb_> hopefully more
[20:01] <mattbrejza> do any characters use '8' as their first symbol?
[20:01] <Iain_G4SGX_> Certainly wont get to look at the source for HRD anymore, they're de;leting the free versions from the repository soon
[20:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> anyway "U" in row sounds like R2D2 ;-)
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> No mattbrejza
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> 0-7 only
[20:02] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar did you experiment with the lifepo batteries?
[20:02] <Laurenceb_> life- po
[20:03] <LeoBodnar> This defines the start of the character
[20:03] <DL7AD> LiFePo4
[20:03] <mattbrejza> yea just noticed that
[20:03] <LeoBodnar> I have one on my desk. It's my second choice
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[20:03] <chrisg7ogx> HRD DominoEx 4 8 and 16
[20:03] <WillTablet> Hi
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if its getting superheated
[20:03] <Laurenceb_> theres lots of low altitude warm cloud under it
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> its not sinking as much as normal
[20:04] <Laurenceb_> maybe its getting long wave IR
[20:04] <mattbrejza> so surely the only sync domex needs is to get the bit sampler synced, as it can tell the start of a character without having any sort of sync?
[20:04] <LeoBodnar> maybe just a set of chars that are only 1 symbol long like "eeeeeeeeeeee" and exercise all the freq bins woul be the best sync
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> In theory yes.
[20:05] <LeoBodnar> Two symbols closer than 8 -> sync
[20:06] <LeoBodnar> Haven't looked at fldigi code.
[20:06] <bertrik> doesn't dominoex have an explicit preamble itself already, instead of trying to encode the preamble in the message content?
[20:06] <mattbrejza> and so a 16 word is translated to a 18-ary symbol?
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[20:07] <ibanezmatt13> I'm afraid Pi Cam wasn't as HD as we expected
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> Ah, yes, there are plenty of holes
[20:07] <LeoBodnar> They are discarded
[20:07] <ibanezmatt13> The payload must have spun round faster than a centrifuge most of the flight :(
[20:08] <ibanezmatt13> We got some "watchable" video on launch, a little bit at altitude, but it was most watchable lower altitude
[20:09] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DominoEX%20Varicode%20Table.pdf
[20:09] <LeoBodnar> Smart decoder would accumulate the whole sentence and analyse it as a whole rather than trying to re-sync all the time.
[20:10] <LeoBodnar> Domex is not really a good packet protocol - it's a "conversation" mode
[20:10] <mattbrejza> the mapping between a nibble and a 18-ary symbol might be important for sync?
[20:11] <Iain_G4SGX_> LeoBodnar: B10 has drifted about 100Hz in the last 2 hours, not bad for no software freq adjust. (I think I remeber you saying it was switched off this flight)
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> Guys, I'm interested in finding out what went wrong temporarily for NORB
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[20:12] <tweetBot> @hashonomy_gus: Twitter / daveake: Highest pic from Babbage ... http://t.co/Av5if6x94e #raspberrypi #ukhas (via @daveake)
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> It worked fine up to just over 19km
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> we lost it for a bit but then we got it at 28km
[20:12] <alxhotel> Did anyone follow the TED launch ?
[20:12] <ibanezmatt13> Then we lost it until it came down to below 20km
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[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> daveake_: pi cam?
[20:13] <daveake_> ?
[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> babbage had pi cam?
[20:13] <daveake_> yes
[20:13] <daveake_> don't you read my blog???? :p
[20:13] <ibanezmatt13> well our pi cam must have been broken
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> of course
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> Really bad quality
[20:14] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 recovered?
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> plus, it spun faster than a centrifuge the whole flight
[20:14] <ibanezmatt13> yes WillTablet
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[20:14] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13: great.
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> Well - other than the cam thing
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> well, NORB had a problem and I really need to work out what went wrong
[20:15] <alxhotel> Haha you need to put straws to pervent the spin
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> ah right
[20:15] <mattbrejza> did it just lose lock?
[20:15] <mattbrejza> stop transmitting?
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> well, I could see one of the tones constamt
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> just not the other one which gives data
[20:15] <mikestir> current freq for b10? seems to have disappeared since I went to watch Tv.
[20:15] <mattbrejza> so it wasnt transmitting data?
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> So it's either no lock or flightmode error I think, I may be wrong
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> no data
[20:16] <daveake_> That's because your code was stuck waiting on the GPS
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> are you sure daveake_
[20:16] <daveake_> yes
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> could it have not been flight mode?
[20:16] <daveake_> yes
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> exactly :/
[20:16] <mattbrejza> well it worked >12km?
[20:16] <daveake_> so your code expected data that it didn't get because the gps wasn't in flight mode
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> Iain_G4SGX_: yes, it's off, not bad for 10C to -28C range
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> it came back for a but at 28km though...
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> it
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> bit
[20:17] <daveake_> Add a timeout and get it to repeat the previous position, rather than just stop transmitting
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> I've got a timeout, I guess I could do that5
[20:17] <daveake_> Did you log the gps data?
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> no
[20:17] <daveake_> Do that then in case you get an issue next time
[20:17] <daveake_> Then you can check after and debug it
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> Next week, my code that flew today needs to be ready for a second time
[20:18] <daveake_> Anyhoo congrats on a successful flight
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> yes, you too
[20:18] <daveake_> What flight's that?
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> pm daveake_ please
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> I don't know how :P
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> still there mikestir 434.510
[20:18] <WillTablet> daveake_ I heard Ted Bup
[20:18] <WillTablet> Bull failed
[20:19] <WillTablet> Congrats ibanezmatt13
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
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[20:20] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13 have you thought of a better backronym for norb yet?
[20:20] <ibanezmatt13> not yet
[20:21] <ibanezmatt13> bit busy, sorry I can't reply so quick
[20:22] <alxhotel> B-10 is still in the air ?
[20:22] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if you can reliably trigger tin pest, for cutdowns
[20:23] <mikestir> LeoBodnar: definitely no sign here. it was a big signal earlier and it's getting nearer
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> Interesting
[20:24] <mikestir> very odd
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> It didn't move much
[20:24] <mikestir> maybe something broke
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[20:24] <LeoBodnar> G7PMO_Kev: x-f website is back http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/5c4cb758379ba1ea677a2b77d96191b6
[20:25] <mikestir> ahh found it
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> x-f charts time is UTC-2
[20:26] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt did you write something that logged what happened and logged the pure nmea rxed from the GPS?
[20:27] <WillTablet> That might (have) help(ed)
[20:27] <WillTablet> ibanezmatt13:^
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> graphs are interesting
[20:29] <Laurenceb_> solar panel voltage noise decreases when cell hit 4.4v
[20:30] <Laurenceb_> looks like the mppt was turned off at 4.4v maybe
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[20:31] <LeoBodnar> I think bandgap reference has drifted - either itself or its buffer amp
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> very little altitude drop
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> im betting its picking up infrared
[20:31] <Laurenceb_> and its still superheated
[20:31] <alxhotel> Laurenceb_: What is measuring the battery graph ?
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> Datasheet specifies it as 1.14 to 1.26 over -40C..+85C range but no idea whether it is production variance or part drift
[20:33] <LeoBodnar> Good idea to look at the foil balloons in deep infrared to see if it's reflective or black.
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> Metallisation is on the inside
[20:34] <alxhotel> haha B-10 is making a circle xD
[20:34] <alxhotel> is not what should happen
[20:34] <G7PMO_Kev> Thanks LeoBodnar
[20:35] <LeoBodnar> wind predictions are a bit off
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> if the metallisation is on the inside it could be absorbing
[20:35] <Laurenceb_> if it nylon
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> it is
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[20:36] <LeoBodnar> so it might be black in deep IR
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[20:37] <LeoBodnar> 4.25 is new 3.7
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[20:40] <G7PMO_Kev> great graphs x-f
[20:41] <x-f> cheers
[20:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok 4 Null bytes from secondary alphabet followed by \r\n seems to solve the problem :-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/dominoex22.wav
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Good Tom!
[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Thanks for fixing the site x-f !
[20:43] <Upu> evening
[20:43] <Upu> oh B10 still up
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> Evening! Are you back home or staying at Dave's?
[20:44] <alxhotel> SP9UOB-Tom: First time I listen this. Is awesome !! :D
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> <LeoBodnar>: yeah wtf
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[20:44] <Laurenceb_> seems to be quite a lot of charge coming out at 4.25v
[20:44] <Laurenceb_> that shouldnt be possible
[20:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> alxhotel: R2D2 is talking ;-)
[20:45] <Upu> I'm at home
[20:45] <Upu> just swinging the antenna round
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Polymer/Li_Po_DiscTGph.JPG
[20:45] <Laurenceb_> especially when cold
[20:46] <Upu> wow that path PIE took
[20:46] <SpeedEvil> Are we sure the meter is accurate?
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> No I'm not
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[20:47] <LeoBodnar> It has been up to 4.4V earlier today
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> So it might be cooked to death up there
[20:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> NORB flight today http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/NORB_20130824/index.php?ind=3
[20:48] <Upu> so what was up with NORB ?
[20:48] <Ugi_> did Pie really get to 41km?!
[20:48] <alxhotel> Up there is usually cold
[20:48] <Upu> yes Ugi
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> Also, -28C might alter open circuit voltage
[20:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> LeoBodnar: what step-up are You using to charge the battery ?
[20:48] <Ugi_> wowzers
[20:48] <Upu> surprising given the ascent rate
[20:48] <Upu> was impossible to measure neck lift accurately
[20:48] <Ugi_> have many gone beyone 40?
[20:48] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: going moderately overvoltage just stores more charge
[20:48] <LeoBodnar> SPV1020
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: and kills your cycle life
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Which you likely don't care about
[20:49] <LeoBodnar> Yes, we don't care about that one
[20:49] <Upu> quite a few
[20:49] <Upu> though I think this was highest images
[20:49] <Ugi_> cool - I though 35Km sounded impressive - actually, I still do.
[20:50] <Ugi_> so 40 is amazing
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[20:50] <Upu> considering weight and ascent rate
[20:50] <Upu> it was surprising
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> And I broke through 8,000m with a foil balloon :) Modest but another new to me
[20:50] <Ugi_> big balloon or just luck or something else you reckon?
[20:50] <Upu> question to anyone who tracker the PAVA Matt used as a backup
[20:51] <Upu> was the signal drifty or ok ?
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> Not a bad day after all
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes
[20:51] <Ugi_> LeoBodnar: cool - that was B10?
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> drifty
[20:51] <Upu> badly ?
[20:51] <Upu> it was an RFM22B I recrystalled
[20:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> at times chronic especially on the descent
[20:51] <Upu> k
[20:51] <Upu> ok next question
[20:51] <Upu> PIE and TED ?
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it floated at 8,300m during the day
[20:52] <craag> TED was barely drifting at all.
[20:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pretty good I left them alone and obly adjusted every few minutes in most cases
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Polymer/Li_Po_DiscTGph.JPG
[20:52] <Ugi_> looks like it's coming home for the night
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> Ugi_: lightest payload I flew - 10.7g
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> ^LeoBodnar
[20:52] <Upu> Cool
[20:52] <Upu> PIE and TED were running the new NTX2B
[20:52] <Laurenceb_> it should be even lower
[20:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> They were next to LeoBodnar for stability
[20:53] <Laurenceb_> maybe it changed the battery chemistry
[20:53] <Ugi_> LeoBodnar: you using watch batteries now?
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> No, LiPo
[20:53] <craag> Quick question to anyone who knows - what voltage does the Pi camera require? ie can it run on 3.3?
[20:53] <Upu> yes craag
[20:53] <craag> Cool thanks!
[20:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think I will have to save the IQ data on some of these launches so we can track the drift after the time
[20:53] <Upu> the whole Pi can run on 3.3V if you don't use USB
[20:53] <Upu> just wire the 5V to 3.3V
[20:54] <craag> Yeah, just couldn't find specs for the camera vcc.
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> Does camera have a low level protocol spec or datasheet?
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> the Pi one
[20:55] <craag> Might be dabbling in ssdv for a launch at the batc convention in october.
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> not as far as I'm aware.
[20:55] <craag> Will be one closeby to you Upu !
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar:
[20:55] <Upu> conference ? where ?
[20:55] <SpeedEvil> I wish the pi camera interface was documentds
[20:55] <craag> Upu: Finningley ARS, 26th/27th october
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[20:56] <Upu> aye not too far away
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[20:56] <Upu> details on site ?
[20:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> They put up North just for you ;-)
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> Surprised nobody hacked it yet.
[20:58] <craag> Upu: The launch site you mean?
[20:58] <Upu> no batc.tv
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[20:59] <craag> Oh, yeah http://www.batc.org.uk/cat13.html
[21:00] <craag> I've been 'strongly persuaded' to do a talk on HAB :/
[21:00] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n8fn7k9NiE
[21:00] <craag> So might as well make it exciting if the conditions are good!
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[21:17] <Laurenceb_> hmm dropping now
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> im betting on the IR theory
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[21:19] <LeoBodnar> May well be He loss
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> IR kept it pressureside now it's cooling down
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> yeah thats what im thinking
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> its passed over some higher cloud
[21:21] <number10_M0MDB> traked pava for a bit Upu at the same time as NORB.. freq on PAVA drifted quite a bit NORB was stable
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[21:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Laurenceb, what did I just watch?
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[21:33] <DL7AD> www.dl7ad.de gps-tracker with BiM1H in one box. 500mW powered by 2x4 AA batteries for flight use (for my airplane, not balloon).
[21:35] <craag> Nice DL7AD
[21:36] <craag> What antenna do you use on the airplane?
[21:36] <DL7AD> for 2m aprs?
[21:37] <craag> Yeah
[21:38] <DL7AD> simple omnidirectional. throw it all together onto my instruments below the windshield.
[21:38] <craag> Ok cool
[21:38] <DL7AD> 500mW is quiet sufficient up there
[21:38] <craag> I'm sure!
[21:39] <craag> Might have a go at a compact APRS digipeater with the BiM1H and a pi.
[21:39] <craag> Add a ublox for mobile beacon :)
[21:39] <DL7AD> at this time i built this tracker i did not know anything about ublox
[21:40] <DL7AD> it uses a em406a gps
[21:41] <DL7AD> its brutal thick when i think about ublox max7 or 6
[21:41] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: compact digipeater is here: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dsdigi.html just add Baofeng UV-3R
[21:42] <craag> SP9UOB-Tom: Very nice. I've played around with AVR and a rig for beacon, not rx though
[21:42] <craag> I like the idea of having software control of the Pi though.
[21:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: my project seems to has best performance over the world :-)
[21:42] <craag> And can add a 3G dongle for rx-igate /aprsis beacons
[21:43] <craag> SP9UOB-Tom: Have you got the code up somewhere?
[21:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html 900 frames decoded from APRS test CD (while TCM3105 can only decode 747)
[21:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: compiled binary is on the page
[21:44] <craag> Yeah I saw that. Code not public then?
[21:45] <SP9UOB-Tom> not now.
[21:46] <craag> Fair enough, algorithm diagram looks impressive!
[21:46] <SP9UOB-Tom> only sketch ;-)
[21:47] <craag> Didn't know there was a test CD, I'll remember to benchmark soundmodem with it!
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB-Tom and craag
[21:48] <craag> Evening Lunar_Lander !
[21:48] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Lunar_Lander
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> check this http://s.gullipics.com/image/s/k/8/5yv8w0-kvi543-uldz/Bildschirmfotovom20130823213507.png
[21:50] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: someone did this. wait
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[21:50] <craag> Lunar_Lander: Looking good!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> revision ideas to get into a 10x10 cm frame
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> get the batteries off the board
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> use SMD
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> but I don't know if just replacing the passives with SMD will do much
[21:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> craag: https://sites.google.com/site/ki4mcw/Home/arduino-tnc
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> I don't like the idea of a SMD AVR
[21:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Linux PC
[21:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> soundmodem
[21:51] <SP9UOB-Tom> Line level with pad412
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> if it is bricked, the board is gone for waste
[21:52] <craag> Thanks SP9UOB-Tom
[21:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: You need only a sharp knife
[21:53] <craag> Interesting stuff
[21:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: and cut the pins near case
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> to remove the chip?
[21:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> then get the pins with soldering iron
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:53] <SP9UOB-Tom> from board
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[21:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> Or, just hotair gun
[21:54] <SP9UOB-Tom> :-)
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> ok, my new shiny antenna rotators ordered: http://www.spid.alpha.pl/polski/02.php
[21:56] <SP9UOB-Tom> http://www.spid.alpha.pl/english/13.php
[21:57] <Upu> someones got some money :)
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> where can you get these two-lead wires with a JST plug at the end, like on lipoly batteries?
[21:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> 1kW linear PA for 70cm is waiting in my garage :-)
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> searched high and low on farnell and google for these
[21:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> going EME ;-)
[21:57] <SP9UOB-Tom> UPU: ;-)
[21:58] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: HobbyKing?
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> ok thanks
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> would like to have a battery pack with this pinout so to speak
[22:00] <DL7AD> okay i will go to bed ;) gn
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> oh man
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> boards are not easy
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> gn DL7AD
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[22:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> Lunar_Lander: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9914
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[22:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> no
[22:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> problem
[22:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> night all
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> night SP9UOB-Tom
[22:03] <SP9UOB-Tom> after 4 hours listening Dominoex22 im done ;-)
[22:03] <LeoBodnar> good night Tom
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbsM6EDF, hello
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> what happened to cheapo?
[22:05] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Hi Lunar_Lander
[22:05] Nick change: chrisstubbsM6EDF -> chrisstubbs
[22:05] <LeoBodnar> I am going as well, need to go get my balloon in the morning :)
[22:05] <chrisstubbs> Night LeoBodnar!
[22:05] <LeoBodnar> Good night all
[22:06] <Lunar_Lander> night LeoBodnar
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[22:06] <chrisstubbs> cheapo was interesting.... the new board refused to get a fix for about half an hour, I then messed about with it and took it back to basics, still nothing... U-center was showing 0 sats with the odd 1 popping up now and again
[22:07] <chrisstubbs> so we flew an old cheapo board on a 36" party balloon
[22:07] <chrisstubbs> got to 800m then decided it was scared of heights
[22:07] <Lunar_Lander> ohh
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[22:08] <chrisstubbs> The balloon had leaked a bit and got very wet, we recovered it shortly after
[22:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[22:13] <Upu> https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/371228202879836161
[22:13] <Upu> if anyone missed the launch antics
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> Lol love the comments on that
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, did you see my KiCAD attempt?
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[22:13] <chrisstubbs> "Looks like he's carrying a giant Pringle!"
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> Yeah I did Lunar_Lander
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, yeah best comment xD
[22:14] <daveake> BBC said winds were 8mph
[22:14] <daveake> and the rest
[22:15] <Upu> whatever :)
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[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> daveake now working for Pringles marketing?
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[22:22] <Acton> all asleeep
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[22:22] <daveake> Evening RocketBoy
[22:22] <daveake> How were the winds in Cambs today?
[22:22] <RocketBoy> yo dave
[22:23] <RocketBoy> well - it wa calm until we started to fill the 1st balloon
[22:23] <RocketBoy> was
[22:23] <RocketBoy> then it was windy
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[22:23] <RocketBoy> and rainy
[22:24] <daveake> ours --> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSbeFWuCYAAA7to.jpg:large
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> gordon bennett cup starting today I think btw
[22:24] <daveake> no rain for us
[22:24] <RocketBoy> but didn't mange to get too wet
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[22:24] <daveake> good
[22:24] <RocketBoy> have a similar photo - I'll dig
[22:25] <daveake> We just didn't have a let-up in the wind. Ended up going on a visual as much as 0.5 seconds of valid neck lift :p
[22:25] <Babs> that is seriously windy daveake
[22:26] <daveake> wait till you see the video ....
[22:26] <Babs> just to get it off the ground without ripping it on the ground would be an achievement
[22:26] <Babs> Ted got cold feet up there?
[22:26] <Upu> I have the launch video just going to upload shortly
[22:26] <Babs> do you have a vid link?
[22:26] <Upu> very very windy
[22:26] <daveake> Not checked fully yet. The software did trigger
[22:26] <Babs> hmmm
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[22:27] <Upu> Evening Steve, cheers for helping Matt out today all recovered
[22:27] <Acton> dave look like you are having resistor problems?
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[22:27] <WillTablet> Hi
[22:27] <Acton> withthe release cirut
[22:28] <Babs> even if he had released, i'm determined to find a solution to the balloon fouling parachute thing. it happens too often, messed up BABSHAB descent and there has to be an efficient solution
[22:29] <SpeedEvil> 50m long line
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[22:29] <Babs> glad Matt got his all done. All in all a successful week for him with his GCSEs and everything.
[22:30] <Upu> yeah he's had a great week :)
[22:30] <Babs> hey Upu
[22:30] <Upu> evening Babs
[22:30] <Babs> i've been experimenting with brushless motors, stepper motors (which are brushless motors apparently) today and getting nowhere fast
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[22:30] <Upu> video uploading now
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:31] <Babs> coolio. will look out for the link.
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> thought about the board today Upu
[22:31] <Upu> oh
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> if I should get the batteries off it again for example
[22:31] <Upu> did anyone notice B10 is decending ?
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yea me earlier
[22:31] <Upu> 11km
[22:32] <Upu> from a foil
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> well that was just a spike in the altitude plot
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> if you look at that
[22:33] <Upu> oh ok
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> can you see the plot?
[22:33] <Upu> just watching this video will check in a sec
[22:33] <RocketBoy> I think its that thermal lag collapse thing that I speculated
[22:34] <WillTablet> Hi Upu
[22:34] <WillTablet> How did today's stuff go?
[22:34] <Upu> evening WillTablet
[22:35] <Upu> not bad
[22:36] <WillTablet> I hear NLRB didn't go too badly, but babbage didn't cut down.
[22:36] <Upu> thats about it
[22:36] <WillTablet> *NORB
[22:37] <WillTablet> Nice.
[22:37] <WillTablet> Upu did you have to buy a pro version of eagle to be able to sell habduino?
[22:38] <WillTablet> They're like 500 quid
[22:38] <Upu> no it was done on the free one and its open source
[22:38] <WillTablet> Ah OK. I thought there was a non-commercial thing on it, I guess that excludes open source.
[22:38] <daveake> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8cHV7oMrypVZEItMXdKdm1sQnc&usp=sharing
[22:38] <WillTablet> So I hear my PCB is bad?
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[22:39] <daveake> notice gentle breeze ^^ :p
[22:39] <WillTablet> Nice daveake
[22:40] <WillTablet> Heh. Wind is pretty much still up here.
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> Nice shirt daveake
[22:42] <daveake> :)
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[22:44] <WillTablet> I keep forgetting he put me on his ignore list
[22:45] <chrisstubbs> Planning to launch soon upu or have you had enough of an experience for a few days?
[22:45] <Upu> hehe
[22:45] <Upu> well
[22:45] <Upu> might put that pico up tomorrow
[22:45] <Upu> if I get time
[22:46] <chrisstubbs> Awesome
[22:46] <chrisstubbs> Cheapo4 seems to have come back to life...
[22:46] <chrisstubbs> may end up having another go soon
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[22:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wow! Just watched the launch of TED - Amazing you managed it guys. Well done Upu and Dave
[22:53] <Upu> was damn close
[22:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I noticed
[22:53] <Upu> what you don't see is me off camera running to cut the second line that has stuck
[22:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wondered what the pause was
[22:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Poor Babbage almost bit the dust!
[22:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> Reading back - If you did launch your Pico tomorrow Upu, about what time would that be ballpark?
[22:55] <Upu> no idea Steve
[22:55] <Upu> afternoon :)
[22:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK No worries. I'll just have to be ready.
[22:55] <Upu> lol :)
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[22:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Although it was a difficult launch for you, I had a lot of fun getting partial images and telemetry etc.
[22:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> My friend Lee M6DRS joined in too.
[22:56] <WillTablet> Upu are the problems with my PCB major design issues? Because I did remake it rather quickly.
[22:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Good to hear cheapo4 is back with you chrisstubbs
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[22:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> Anyway, Gotta get some sleep. Well done guys - See you tomorrow.
[22:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> ..
[22:57] <chrisstubbs> Laters G0TDJ_Steve
[22:57] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
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[23:03] <tweetBot> @AnthonyStirk: Video showing the extremely windy launch and the line snagging : http://t.co/xgWdUz0brU #ukhas @Raspberry_Pi thx to John@Radiometrix
[23:03] <WillTablet> I need an excuse to get one of these.
[23:03] <WillTablet> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11988
[23:03] <Upu> video should be processed i 10 mins
[23:03] <Upu> I'm off to bed night all
[23:03] <chrisstubbs> Night Upu, hope conditions are better if you go for it tomorrow
[23:04] <chrisstubbs> I may need to pick your brain about my GPS problem at some point in the week
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> night Upu
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[23:07] <arko> dude
[23:07] <arko> leo's is about to land right next to him
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[23:08] <tweetBot> @willdude567: Missed live stream of today's launch. :-( #ukhas
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[23:09] <chrisstubbs> I thought he was kidding when he said he was going to pick it up in the morning
[23:09] <WillTablet> Hi chris
[23:09] <arko> chrisstubbs: hah
[23:09] <WillTablet> Tab complete on androirc isn't great
[23:09] <arko> yeah seriously
[23:09] <chrisstubbs> sup WillTablet
[23:10] <chrisstubbs> I used androirc in the car today before uninstalling it. What a horrible app
[23:10] <chrisstubbs> it asked me to reset my nick every few seconds
[23:10] <WillTablet> Not much. Just been mithering down't ginne
[23:10] <WillTablet> ginnel
[23:11] <WillTablet> (Up north)
[23:18] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9ci_Ta_Ul-Y
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[23:20] <tweetBot> @daveake: If predictions stay as they are (or improve) then Babbage will re-attempt his skydive attempt on Monday #RaspberryPi #UKHAS @Raspberry_Pi
[23:24] <WillTablet> Man I really need to read up on resistors.
[23:25] <WillTablet> Do they limit current or voltage? I always get confused.
[23:27] <WillTablet> Hmm I wonder if I could control one of these with an arduino somehow.
[23:27] <chrisstubbs> A resistor?
[23:27] <chrisstubbs> probably
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[23:29] <WillTablet> Actually there was a link
[23:29] <WillTablet> I forgot to follow with it
[23:29] <WillTablet> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11867
[23:30] <chrisstubbs> Sparkfun is SO expensive
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[23:31] <chrisstubbs> $35 for some foil and kapton tape
[23:31] <WillTablet> I know.
[23:31] <WillTablet> My granddad is using an inefficient incandescent light bulb to heat his greenhouse.
[23:32] <WillTablet> Right so resistance increases voltage and decreases current?
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[23:35] <WillTablet> chrisstubbs how might one control that (analog) with a low voltage?
[23:36] <chrisstubbs> The heater? PWM and a mosfet would be my best guess
[23:36] <WillTablet> I wish I knew what that was,
[23:39] <WillTablet> I wish I understood that -
[23:39] <WillTablet> :-)
[23:40] <chrisstubbs> Basically
[23:40] <chrisstubbs> when you apply a small current to the gate
[23:41] <chrisstubbs> it allows a greater current to flow from source to drain
[23:41] <chrisstubbs> so you put your heater in series with drain
[23:41] <WillTablet> I see.
[23:41] <chrisstubbs> and adjust the duty cycle of your PWM to adjust the heat
[23:42] <WillTablet> But damn that heater's expensive.
[23:42] <WillTablet> Made by Honeywell
[23:42] <chrisstubbs> yeah lol get a coffee heater from poundland and use that
[23:42] <chrisstubbs> Okay CHDK had built with my awful C code, to for sleep!
[23:42] <chrisstubbs> night
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[23:46] <WillTablet-> Sorry
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[23:46] <WillTablet-> Missed whatever you said there.
[23:46] Nick change: WillTablet- -> WillTablet
[23:47] <WillTablet> Man I'm pretty sure my oven doesn't even get that hot.
[23:47] <WillTablet> Can't be a good idea as a coffee heater.
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[23:55] <mfa298> WillTablet: that panel heater isn't going to heat much up quikly - it's probably not going to provide much more heat than a 40W incandescant light bulb
[23:56] <WillTablet> Hmm I suppose you need a few.
[23:56] <WillTablet> Not sure what the energy loss is on a 40w bulb like that.
[23:56] <mfa298> it will also need a fairly chunky PSU (P=IV, you have P and V so you can solve for I)
[23:57] <mfa298> an old style lightbulb generates two things, light and heat. I suspect at least 50% of the energy is heat
[23:58] <WillTablet> Hmm we are only thinking of controlling the temperature in a smallish greenhouse so I'm not sure what's best.
[23:59] <mfa298> whilst is probably can't be trusted as a source wikipedia says most incandescent bulbs convert less than 5% of the energy they use into visible light[1] (with the remaining energy being converted into heat)
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