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[06:02] <WillTablet> Morning,
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[06:07] <craag> Morning Will
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[06:45] <nigelvh> Evening all.
[07:00] <fsphil> morning
[07:01] <nigelvh> How's it going over there?
[07:01] <fsphil> to early to say yet. so far so good :)
[07:01] <fsphil> how's your day been?
[07:01] <nigelvh> 7AM/
[07:01] <nigelvh> ?
[07:01] <fsphil> just past 8
[07:01] <nigelvh> Ah, Are you in GMT+1?
[07:01] <fsphil> yea, dst until .. um.. september I think
[07:01] <nigelvh> Or maybe I'm just mistaken as to whether we're on DST or not.
[07:02] <nigelvh> In any case, morning for you folks.
[07:02] <fsphil> ah, ends last sunday in october
[07:02] <fsphil> then its back to GMT
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[07:02] <nigelvh> Just after midnight for me. But it's my friday, so I'm up late as I don't have to work. Finding parts on digikey for my new tracker board.
[07:02] <fsphil> nice
[07:03] <fsphil> searching for parts is one of the bits I don't like about building new boards
[07:03] <fsphil> there are so many
[07:03] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's more wading through than design.
[07:03] <nigelvh> Though I'll admit a bit of excitement when I find a part for really cheap.
[07:04] <fsphil> haha yea
[07:04] <nigelvh> The uBlox module is not one of those.
[07:04] <nigelvh> Even at Upu's good prices.
[07:04] <nigelvh> Still the most expensive part on my board by a long shot.
[07:05] <UpuWork> I might be bringing them down a little
[07:05] <nigelvh> Well good morning to you as well.
[07:05] <UpuWork> morning
[07:05] <fsphil> christmas come early
[07:06] <nigelvh> I don't mean to imply your prices are high, they're quite good, just an expensive module generally.
[07:06] <UpuWork> yup
[07:06] <UpuWork> I know the chinese ones are cheaper
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[07:06] <nigelvh> The chinese ones aren't... good.
[07:07] <UpuWork> exactly
[07:07] <fsphil> you held back there nicely
[07:07] <UpuWork> and the documentation on ublox is quite outstanding
[07:07] <eroomde> yes ^
[07:07] <nigelvh> And I've found other modules that work alright, but are hard to come by, like the ones from ArgentData.
[07:07] <eroomde> compared to the other gps units anyway
[07:07] <UpuWork> yep Ed
[07:08] <nigelvh> Which have essentially zero documentation, but "just work" at altitude.
[07:08] <UpuWork> GT-320FW High-Altitude GPS Receiver $38.00
[07:08] <UpuWork> GT-320FW High-Altitude GPS Receiver
[07:08] <UpuWork> Click to enlarge
[07:08] <UpuWork> The GT-320FW(AS) is a complete, compact GPS receiver with integrated patch antenna that measures 1.35"x1.35"x0.38" (34x34x10mm) and weighs only 20 grams. It runs on 3.6 to 6v DC and has both low-voltage TTL and RS-232 outputs, making it easy to integrate with APRS trackers and other devices.
[07:08] <UpuWork> This module has a special high-altitude firmware version loaded to support operation at altitudes in excess of 25 kilometers.
[07:08] <UpuWork> yes they do
[07:08] <eroomde> i am very happy in the ublox camp
[07:08] <UpuWork> all the way to 27km
[07:08] <UpuWork> and those are more expensive than mine surely ?
[07:08] <nigelvh> I've had them above that.
[07:08] <UpuWork> $37 ?
[07:09] <eroomde> when the ublox 5s came out, that changed things a lot for the better in making tab more reliable and easy
[07:09] <eroomde> hab*
[07:09] <nigelvh> Yes, but include shipping and it becomes more even.
[07:09] <eroomde> we used a ublox 4 before that, but it was like 120mA continuous....
[07:09] <UpuWork> bear with me
[07:09] <eroomde> so we used the lassen iQ for a couple of years as the workhorse
[07:09] <UpuWork> I have 250 MAX7C's on order...
[07:09] <nigelvh> shiny
[07:09] <eroomde> they were alright and documentation was ok, but just the performance was very meh
[07:11] <eroomde> and also those taffy u.fl connectors to antennas were not cool
[07:11] <eroomde> faffy*
[07:11] <nigelvh> I've got a person I work with who's been using the Lassen iQs on his balloon boards.
[07:12] <eroomde> they'll still do the job, i'm sure
[07:12] <eroomde> but their sensitivity and tracking wasn't the best
[07:12] <nigelvh> They do. But not cheap and large.
[07:13] <eroomde> there do exist venus gps chipsets that will do 1.2-1.8V
[07:13] <eroomde> they are probably an interesting seam to mine, if you're into the single-cell thing
[07:14] <eroomde> and they do do alt-capable ones
[07:14] <nigelvh> My present setup is at 3.3V so not a terrible concern.
[07:14] <eroomde> we bought ten from a nice chinese man called sam who worked for them
[07:14] <eroomde> but their dynamic performance is not nearly as good as ublox
[07:14] <eroomde> not an issue for tab though
[07:15] <nigelvh> Having a hard time with 'h's today are we?
[07:15] <eroomde> switched back to macbook air for breakfast
[07:15] <eroomde> having been on the baby thinkpad yesterday
[07:16] <eroomde> i think everything is subtly difficult
[07:16] <nigelvh> Yeah
[07:16] <eroomde> different*
[07:16] <nigelvh> I can see that.
[07:16] <fsphil> yes it's very odd switching between different keyboard scales
[07:16] <nigelvh> I've made sure to keep the same keyboards at home and work so I tend to transition well.
[07:16] <eroomde> fn and ctrl being in different places
[07:16] <eroomde> raaaaaaage
[07:16] <fsphil> going from the eeepc to the thinkpad causes all sorts of interesting things
[07:16] <eroomde> thank god i don't use emacs
[07:16] <arko> Haha
[07:16] <fsphil> yea, macs have " and @ swapped
[07:17] <eroomde> yes
[07:17] <fsphil> whyyyyy
[07:17] <eroomde> though i have remapped that anyway
[07:17] <eroomde> and also \ is somewhere stupid
[07:17] <nigelvh> Yeah, I'm less a fan of the apple compressed keyboard layouts.
[07:17] <arko> That reminds me of the fights i would start in linux irc channels, i use to pop in and ask vi or emacs, people would start arguing, id leave, come back hours later and they are still at it
[07:17] <nigelvh> The extended keyboard is good though.
[07:17] <eroomde> that's just cruel arko
[07:17] <arko> :)
[07:18] <fsphil> everyone uses nano don't they?
[07:18] <arko> I was bored back then
[07:18] <nigelvh> I use vi and nano based on what system I'm on.
[07:18] <nigelvh> Also the task.
[07:18] <arko> Same
[07:18] <eroomde> vi
[07:18] <arko> Its what i learned first
[07:18] <eroomde> always and everywhere
[07:18] <arko> Vi
[07:18] <fsphil> last emacs I used was on the amiga. and I hated it
[07:18] <eroomde> except visudo which is inexplicably nano
[07:18] <arko> Lol
[07:18] <nigelvh> Lots of text entry, nano, quick changes or lots of deleting, vi.
[07:18] <eroomde> anything, vi
[07:19] <eroomde> i love it too much
[07:19] <eroomde> shopping lists, vi
[07:19] <nigelvh> visudo is just a map to the default editor + super permissions.
[07:19] <eroomde> composing an email, vi
[07:19] <arko> Dating advice, vi
[07:19] <eroomde> being able to run cli commands inside the editor is so useful
[07:19] <fsphil> now when you do it by accident
[07:19] <fsphil> not*
[07:20] <eroomde> not least :s !sudo tee %
[07:20] <arko> Heh
[07:20] <eroomde> er, :w !sudo tee %
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[07:21] <nigelvh> What I've recently grown to use a lot of is the multiple desktops on my mac.
[07:21] <eroomde> ikewise in linux
[07:21] <nigelvh> And the ctrl->right/left arrow key command to switch with them.
[07:21] <nigelvh> BAM, next desktop with different stuff.
[07:21] <nigelvh> Totally useful.
[07:22] <eroomde> yep
[07:22] <eroomde> code, documentation, mail, youtube
[07:22] <nigelvh> Generally with my work laptop it's Web Browser / Terminal / Chat Client
[07:22] <fsphil> multiple desktops on linux is great, if gnome3 wouldn't try killing it
[07:22] <nigelvh> Sometimes I throw in a fourth for iTunes.
[07:23] <eroomde> i'm less upset by unity now
[07:23] <eroomde> it's much better on 13.04 than 12.04
[07:23] <eroomde> just in terms of responsiveness and stability
[07:23] <fsphil> I may just switch to xkce or mint's gnome2-based desktop
[07:23] <arko> 3 screens is so nice
[07:23] <fsphil> before gnome3 I always had the 4th desktop for email only
[07:24] <arko> Altium, datasheet, youtube
[07:25] <eroomde> i do suspect i'd like altium
[07:25] <Darkside> arko: you use altium?
[07:25] <Darkside> eroomde: you would
[07:25] <Darkside> its wonderful
[07:25] <nigelvh> I've heard many good things about Altium, but have not spent the huge dough to get it, so I still use eagle.
[07:25] <arko> Yes
[07:25] <eroomde> actually eagle has surprised me
[07:25] <arko> I love it
[07:25] <eroomde> it can do differential pairs with meandering and stuff
[07:25] <Darkside> pirate it and try it out
[07:25] <Darkside> >_>
[07:25] <UpuWork> I like Eagle
[07:25] <arko> ^^^^
[07:25] <eroomde> not linux
[07:25] <eroomde> so no go
[07:25] <arko> Eagle is not bad
[07:25] <Darkside> yeah, it dosnt work in wine i think
[07:25] <arko> Best of the free ones
[07:25] <Darkside> the 3d stuff definitely won't
[07:25] <eroomde> it's quirky and i mostly understand the quirks, so i'm happy enough
[07:25] <nigelvh> Yeah
[07:25] <arko> Haha
[07:26] <nigelvh> That's about where I am.
[07:26] <UpuWork> that :)
[07:26] <arko> Darkside: my friend from oz taught me altium
[07:26] <eroomde> but i think altium does things like shuffle traces out the way automatically if you're trying to drag a new trace where they are
[07:26] <arko> Good times
[07:27] <arko> Does so much
[07:27] <Darkside> eroomde: it can
[07:27] <arko> Signal sim even
[07:27] <Darkside> i don use that feature
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[07:27] <arko> Yeah, all auto route is off for me too
[07:27] <Darkside> i've done diffrential pair routing though
[07:27] <Darkside> and trace length mstching
[07:27] <Darkside> matching*
[07:27] <Darkside> that was cool
[07:27] <arko> Signal names and interface is very nice once you are use to it
[07:28] <eroomde> i would like an option in eagle to snap the origin of a part to the current grid
[07:28] <arko> Yes!!!!!
[07:28] <eroomde> without editing the coordinates in the properties dialogue
[07:29] <eroomde> i change grids quite a lot when i'm doing stuff so this frustrates me a lot
[07:29] <arko> Yeah, especially when trying to make room for traces
[07:29] <arko> Parts everywhere
[07:31] <eroomde> or accidentally moving them around in mm grid because i was use doing the board dimensions and mounting holes
[07:31] <eroomde> i was just*
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[07:32] <arko> Hah
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[07:43] <ibanezmatt13> Good morning
[07:44] <nigelvh> Evening
[07:45] <ibanezmatt13> I've made further changes on the board: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mcvmkqj670pfvyp/XY-NLmfLD6 I've moved the decoupling capacitors closer, tidied a few tracks up and things like that
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[07:45] <ibanezmatt13> I think it's pretty much done, but I'm not fully sure
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[07:46] <nigelvh> Wanna just post a screenshot, much easier to look at.
[07:46] <nigelvh> ?
[07:47] <ibanezmatt13> yeah give me a few secs
[07:49] <ibanezmatt13> nigelvh: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8aab3blviqfbil/new.png
[07:49] <ibanezmatt13> it's a bit sharper if you zoom
[07:50] <eroomde> MUCH better ibanezmatt13
[07:50] <ibanezmatt13> thanks eroomde
[07:50] <eroomde> obi c6 is still air-wiry
[07:50] <ibanezmatt13> is it?
[07:50] <eroomde> yes
[07:50] <nigelvh> Yeah, looks pretty good.
[07:51] <ibanezmatt13> cool, thanks nigelvh
[07:51] <ibanezmatt13> I see it eroomde, I'll havea look
[07:51] <nigelvh> I might have put the SMA connector off the bottom and had that trace be a little cleaner, but shouldn't matter much.
[07:52] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, that's where it used to be. I might still change it, don't know :)
[07:52] <ibanezmatt13> eroomde: I just need a via connecting that small area to GND
[07:52] <eroomde> yep
[07:53] <eroomde> i'd also mark all the pin 1s of connectors on silkscreen
[07:53] <eroomde> eg icsp header
[07:53] <eroomde> and power connector
[07:54] <ibanezmatt13> Ah good idea, I'll do that now.
[07:58] <ibanezmatt13> done
[07:58] <fsphil> yea marking pin 1 will make life much easier
[07:58] <ibanezmatt13> pic coming in a second
[07:58] <ibanezmatt13> yeah it will. Looks better now
[07:59] <fsphil> and labelling connectors
[07:59] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mcvmkqj670pfvyp/XY-NLmfLD6
[07:59] <ibanezmatt13> There's a .png at the top
[07:59] <fsphil> snazzy
[08:00] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[08:00] <ibanezmatt13> I've no idea how to change the colour of things though
[08:00] <nigelvh> I assume you've run the ERC and DRC checks?
[08:00] <ibanezmatt13> Yes, no ERC errors, 9 DRC errors but they are just stop masks
[08:00] <nigelvh> Cool
[08:00] <fsphil> you don't. the board colour depends on what you ask the manufacturer
[08:01] <ibanezmatt13> Ah ok, that's cool
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[08:01] <ibanezmatt13> I really want to view this in some sort of gerber viewer but each one I've tried doesn't work for me
[08:01] <fsphil> not sure if the silk screen can be changed, they always seem to be white
[08:01] <nigelvh> Some manufacturers will do other colors.
[08:01] <ibanezmatt13> White's nice:)
[08:02] <fsphil> white silkscreen on a black board is nice looking
[08:02] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, they look nice
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[08:02] <UpuWork> still need to move that Sarantel up
[08:02] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[08:02] <ibanezmatt13> morning UpuWork
[08:02] <ibanezmatt13> up to the edge?
[08:03] <UpuWork> yes
[08:04] <ibanezmatt13> done
[08:04] <fsphil> you're at the stage where you can probably teach me eagle
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[08:06] <ibanezmatt13> I would love to fsphil but I'm not that good yet
[08:08] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mcvmkqj670pfvyp/XY-NLmfLD6
[08:08] <UpuWork> better
[08:08] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[08:08] <ibanezmatt13> surely there's not much more to do on it? :)
[08:09] <ibanezmatt13> I tried to get the flay
[08:09] <ibanezmatt13> flat* NTXT2
[08:09] <UpuWork> how big is it ?
[08:09] <ibanezmatt13> on the brink of 50x50
[08:09] <ibanezmatt13> just under
[08:10] <ibanezmatt13> I'm curious as to how it looks in a gerber viewer or something
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[08:12] <ibanezmatt13> wow, just loaded it up in gerbv
[08:12] <ibanezmatt13> looks... ok
[08:13] <ibanezmatt13> everything looks ok, apart from the disproportionate ground pours
[08:13] <ibanezmatt13> another thing.... I can't see any tracks in this viewer :/
[08:14] <HixWork> good work ibanezmatt13
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[08:14] <ibanezmatt13> thank you HixWork, for your help too
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[08:15] <HixWork> nps
[08:15] <ibanezmatt13> I'm trying to view it in a viewer and it won't even show any tracks :(
[08:15] <HixWork> see you changed the SMA to end launch, good move
[08:15] <HixWork> gerbv?
[08:15] <ibanezmatt13> I gave up on that, can't use it
[08:15] <ibanezmatt13> still got it
[08:16] <Joel_re> has anyone built anything to detach the payload based on gps coordinates
[08:16] <Joel_re> well Im interesting in how the payload can be detached
[08:16] <Joel_re> s/interesting/interested
[08:16] <HixWork> it has been done Joel_re
[08:16] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Is gerbv just a case of dropping the filesin?
[08:16] <fsphil> that's called a geofence Joel_re
[08:16] <Joel_re> HixWork: ok cool
[08:17] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13 CTRL+O
[08:17] <HixWork> import layers
[08:17] <Joel_re> fsphil: yep, I get the idea, but Im wondering what sort of hardware to detach the payload
[08:17] <fsphil> you could set a safe area where, if it goes outside the area, it cuts down
[08:17] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I'll try it
[08:17] <Joel_re> fsphil: ok, how does it cut down - or anything i can read
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[08:17] <fsphil> some people use little pyros in the cord, that once they pop separate the payload from the balloon
[08:17] <HixWork> Joel_re many methods, pyro cutdown, electro-magnetic, even the cutwaway loops from parachute systems
[08:18] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Done it, loads of unknown file type errors and it looks a bit bizzare
[08:18] <Joel_re> ok
[08:18] <fsphil> or you can burn the cord with heat, using a low value resistor or nichrome wire
[08:18] <daveake> Melt rather than burn/ Except for my last flight :p
[08:18] <fsphil> yes melt
[08:18] <HixWork> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/3Ring_release_animation.gif
[08:18] <fsphil> I knew that word was wrong
[08:19] <daveake> :)
[08:19] <Joel_re> ok
[08:19] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13 have you zoomed and panned? could be graphics issue
[08:19] <fsphil> it's early in the morning, my brain hasn't fully woke up yet :)
[08:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh I'll try that
[08:19] <HixWork> it's fine on my machine [though it is a monster CAD box with >£1000 of GPU]
[08:20] <fsphil> but does it play quake 3?
[08:20] <ibanezmatt13> still strange
[08:21] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: is there anything else I need to change?
[08:21] <HixWork> don't do games fsphil :/ it prob would though
[08:22] <fsphil> you've never played Q3?
[08:22] <HixWork> Darkside is there a "Tutor" version of Altium out there?
[08:22] <HixWork> I've never seen Star Wars either fsphil
[08:22] <fsphil> I've never seen all of star wars. usually get bored half way though
[08:23] <number10> sounds like a queen song about to start
[08:23] <fsphil> don't stop me now
[08:23] <number10> are you having a good time
[08:24] <fsphil> hold on, someone's called me
[08:24] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/smnn4x0o5khq5h1/fail.png
[08:25] <ibanezmatt13> I ran the hackvana.cam
[08:25] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13 that's fine, just all the other gerbers that weren't needed. looks ok. go to layers tab and toggle different layers
[08:25] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, ok
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[08:27] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Are those tracks completely destroyed?
[08:27] <ibanezmatt13> Zooming in, they're all broken
[08:27] <Joel_re> http://bear.sbszoo.com/construction/release/release2.htm
[08:27] <Joel_re> woot, nice
[08:27] <Joel_re> thakns
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[08:29] <HixWork> Joel_re did you see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/3Ring_release_animation.gif same principle
[08:29] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13 i doubt it. prob gfx issue
[08:29] <Joel_re> HixWork: work, yes saw that first
[08:29] <Joel_re> s/work//
[08:29] <HixWork> hackvana inspects before mfr anyhow
[08:29] <Joel_re> thanks
[08:29] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks :)
[08:30] <HixWork> right need to do some work work. biab
[08:30] <ibanezmatt13> have fun
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: I managed to load it up in gerbv and it looks ok for manufacture. I say that but I actually have no idea :)
[08:34] <UpuWork> well follow Mitch's instructions and send it off
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[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> :/ you reckon it'll work?
[08:35] <UpuWork> no idea
[08:36] <UpuWork> let me check it properly tonight
[08:36] <UpuWork> bit busy atm
[08:36] <ibanezmatt13> oh course yeah, no probs. Thanks
[08:37] <UpuWork> Leo wannabe : if not ther
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[08:37] <UpuWork> that annoys me
[08:37] <UpuWork> Leo wannabe : http://imgur.com/a/Dd5wY
[08:38] <UpuWork> hi leonardsla3
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[08:42] <G0TDJ_AFK> UpuWork: Good Morning. I just saw your tweet. Does that include Your's and Dave's launch on Sunday too?
[08:42] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[08:42] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: Just a quick one, what should I put in the quote for board thickness, solder finish and copper thickness?
[08:42] <daveake> yes
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[08:42] <daveake> Both flights postponed
[08:42] <cyclops_> hi!
[08:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's a real shame daveake UpuWork Still, best be safe
[08:43] <fsphil> delayed due to potential brown alert
[08:43] <daveake> Yeah - overflying London, and not a large area of safe land to aim at!
[08:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK I'll await updates
[08:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Gotta see Babbage's Alt attempt ;-)
[08:44] <daveake> And yes UpuWork's wife complains about having to do his laundry after flights with dodgy predictions
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[08:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> ROTFL :D
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[08:45] <cyclops_> btw guys, if the antenna is in the bottom of payload, when landing will it be damaged an will i loose signal?
[08:45] <daveake> A different launch site, on Saturday, could have worked but there'd be a frequency conflict IIRC
[08:45] <daveake> and I dont have a suitable site either
[08:46] <daveake> cyclops_, Yes and probably no
[08:46] <daveake> I've had one where the antenna was flat under the payload. Still picked it up 1km away
[08:46] <cyclops_> awsome
[08:46] <daveake> But the best idfea is to surround the antenna with pipe insulation
[08:46] <UpuWork> when are you launching cyclops_ ?
[08:46] <cyclops_> i have everything ready for launch
[08:47] <cyclops_> 11th august
[08:47] <UpuWork> oh you're going to launch before us then
[08:47] <cyclops_> first flight test of the habduini then
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[08:48] <cyclops_> yesterday i picked the Helium, and if the predictions are right ill be pucking it up only 13km away
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[08:49] <UpuWork> good lukc
[08:49] <UpuWork> use energizer lithiums
[08:49] <cyclops_> thanks!
[08:49] <UpuWork> and make sure they are taped in
[08:49] <cyclops_> yes i have a bunch if them
[08:49] <daveake> solidly taped
[08:49] <UpuWork> remove the jumper before launch so you don't get any random resets
[08:49] <cyclops_> sure!
[08:51] <cyclops_> got more followers, and so they will track the balloon
[08:51] <x-f> cyclops_, don't forget to announce your launch on the UKHAS mailing list, you might get a few more trackers from France and other countries
[08:52] <cyclops_> oh, didnt thought of that, ill do!
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[08:53] <cyclops_> oh another question, to fill the balloon ill use a regulator for party balloons
[08:53] <cyclops_> but how do i secure the tiny hose to the pvc?
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[08:56] <fsphil> duct tape
[08:56] <fsphil> tiny hose?
[08:56] <cyclops_> i mean the regulator has a tube
[08:56] <fsphil> I use a garden hole, fits over the end of the regulator nozzle
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[08:56] <fsphil> which I secure with duct tape
[08:57] <cyclops_> hum
[08:57] <cyclops_> ill try that
[08:57] <cyclops_> time to
[08:57] <cyclops_> have breaksfast
[08:57] <cyclops_> thanks for the help
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[08:59] <HixWork> can you use any other type of hole fsphil ;)
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[09:07] <leonardsla3_> hi guy
[09:08] <mfa298> hi leonardsla3_
[09:09] <fsphil> HixWork: whoops
[09:09] <fsphil> 10am and I still can't type
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[09:10] <HixWork> i was thinking a worm hole could suffice ;)
[09:10] <HixWork> I can't type. .
[09:10] <leonardsla3_> I am looking for some information on the best/cheapest radio reciever that i can use to listen to my HAB. I am a complete newbee here and I am on a steep learning curve to get this balloon up in thte air within 6 weeks I have most of the rest of the design done and I think I have the transmitting of data sorted just have no idea on how to recieve it yet.
[09:11] <fsphil> google are being cheeky and asking for my phone number. very odd
[09:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi leonardsla3_
[09:11] <HixWork> leonardsla3 http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[09:12] <mfa298> leonardsla3_: the rtl-sdr dongles (Certain USB TV tuners) are cheap although not the most sensitive options.
[09:12] <HixWork> fsphil Willdude34593563050242 has taken over google. he'll be instructing your uncle to get in touch too shortly
[09:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was going to suggest a second hand FT-790R
[09:12] <HixWork> leonardsla3 look at the bit about SDR in that link above ^^^^
[09:13] <fsphil> HixWork: seriously. it won't let me log into any google service without entering my phone number
[09:13] <mfa298> 2nd Hand, FT790, or one of the listed scanners should give something decent and not too expensive (£100 or less)
[09:14] <HixWork> fsphil really? no skip option? normally is
[09:14] <fsphil> HixWork: nope. just an option to reset my password, even though it's right
[09:14] <fsphil> claimed I was logging in from an 'unusual location'
[09:14] <HixWork> ewww, B*^&%ds
[09:14] <HixWork> You're not in Lagos atm?
[09:15] <fsphil> thankfully no :)
[09:15] <mfa298> leonardsla3_: also depending on where you are you might want to recruit more people to recieve the balloon. UK and poland are quite well covered already with some coverage in other bits of Europe.
[09:15] <fsphil> weird, was able to login by tunneling through my home internet
[09:15] <fsphil> it's official. google consider my work to be an unusual location
[09:16] <leonardsla3_> mfa298 : I am on the west coast of ireland I don't know if there are too many people tracking balloons over here
[09:16] Action: SpeedEvil points at fsphil.
[09:16] <mfa298> weird ipv6 tunnels at one location. I keep getting google.ie as I have an ipv6 tunnel that comes out over there.
[09:18] <mfa298> wow, a balloon fsphil might get before the rest of us.
[09:18] <HixWork> fsphil ^^^
[09:18] <mfa298> leonardsla3_: there's a couple of people over that way already (fsphil being one of them)
[09:20] <fsphil> hi leonardsla3_. n.ireland here, will happly help track
[09:20] <fsphil> or launch if you're not to far away :)
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[09:22] <leonardsla3_> Thanks a lot guys. <fsphil> That is much appreciated. This is a project I am working on with a local youth service to get them involved in engineering so I wanna make this as painless for them as possible if i put in the grunt work now in figuring stuff out i can convey it to them in a much easier fashion.
[09:25] <fsphil> have you spoken with the IAA at all leonardsla3_? they seem to be iffy on balloon launches
[09:26] <leonardsla3_> <fsphil> I am a complete newbee( only started working on this Saturday) but I have the design down and most of the electronics sorted(arduinos and raspberry pi I am an electronic engineer) Its just tracking the package and recovery I am most worried about.
[09:26] <daveake> You need to get the permission side sorted asap
[09:26] <fsphil> yea it can often be the longest part
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[09:28] Action: mfa298 notices there isn't a record table for the longest time to get launch permission yet
[09:28] <fsphil> now there's a record I could get :)
[09:28] <daveake> s/could/will/
[09:29] <fsphil> or already have likely
[09:29] <leonardsla3_> No It is on the to do list for next week. I think I might have an in With the IAA that i am hoping will make it run a bit smoother and faster. This project will take a few months for the kids to complete but i was hoping to do a test flight before they started on it as a feesability
[09:29] <fsphil> test flight is a good idea
[09:29] <x-f> fsphil, you sure? it took us 16 months :)
[09:29] <fsphil> x-f: ok maybe not!
[09:29] <SpeedEvil> x-f: where?
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[09:29] <x-f> in Latvia
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[09:30] <fsphil> I think I've managed 6 months
[09:31] <daveake> I think I've managed 24 hours
[09:31] <fsphil> quickest was 2 weeks-ish
[09:32] <fsphil> leonardsla3_: are you flying an arduino or raspberry pi, or both?
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[09:36] <leonardsla3_> <fsphil> both the Pi for video and image capture arduino for data capture and tracking, temperature etc seperate systems at the moment but hopefully just a Pi in the future
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[09:49] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: I've forwarded a very detailed reply from Mitch on to you about the board.
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[09:58] <HixWork> what'd he say ibanezmatt13 ?
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[09:58] <HixWork> have you shown it to any of the guys on #hackvana? they are normally very helpful
[09:59] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: He told me all I needed to know about pricing and delivery. Though I'm not quite sure what type of board and what thickness I should go for. Is 1.6mm ok?
[10:00] <ibanezmatt13> I get 10 boards with a black soldermask delivered for only 22USD
[10:01] <HixWork> 1.6mm is std, specs are in the FAQ http://tinyurl.com/hvpcbfaq
[10:02] <HixWork> he's probably set you as the default cheapo options already.
[10:02] <HixWork> worth showing the board on #hackvana though.
[10:02] <ibanezmatt13> cool, what about solder finish?
[10:02] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I will do
[10:02] <HixWork> lead, its fine unless you're selling
[10:03] <ibanezmatt13> good stuff, thanks HixWork :)
[10:03] <HixWork> nps dude
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[10:09] <UpuWork> cool ibanezmatt13
[10:09] <UpuWork> let me check it out this evening
[10:09] <UpuWork> have a bit more time now
[10:09] <ibanezmatt13> sure, I'm just talking to Mitch on #hackvana but I won't make any orders or anything like that until we've checked it this evening. Thanks :)
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[10:31] <SP9UOB> Hi all
[10:34] <HixWork> ho TOm
[10:34] <HixWork> hmm Hi Tom
[10:34] <x-f> hi, Tom
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[10:35] <x-f> aren't you supposed to be in Italy now?
[10:35] <Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/15366/1375920208/fook.jpg
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[10:36] <UpuWork> how do you open a serial port in linux like a terminal ?
[10:37] <UpuWork> i.e wire a GPS to a Pi how do I get NMEA
[10:37] <fsphil> screen /dev/ttywhatever <baud>
[10:37] <UpuWork> thanks
[10:37] <daveake> Also you can install a terminal program e.g. minicom
[10:38] <HixWork> Laurenceb that's class. surprised I've not seen anything related to that before
[10:38] <UpuWork> ta all
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[11:04] <Ugi_> HI Guys - is there anyone from CUSF around today?
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[11:07] <eroomde> you can leave a message, they'll probably see it
[11:08] <Ugi_> I tried mailing the CUSF address a few days ago, and also DanielRichman, who replied last time, but I think they are away ATM
[11:08] <eroomde> what are you after?
[11:08] <Ugi_> Just wanting to see if we can arrange to use the Churchill site
[11:08] <eroomde> but yes, summer holidays etc
[11:10] <eroomde> canni help you there. can only suggest you await a reply to the email or see if you catch jon* or Randomsk* on here
[11:11] <Ugi_> that's jonsowman and Randomskk? I'll keep an eye out for them. Thanks
[11:11] <eroomde> yes but i didn;t autocomplete because it pings them
[11:11] <eroomde> even as much as emailing them
[11:11] <eroomde> which is tiresome
[11:11] <eroomde> for them
[11:12] <Ugi_> Oh - sorry.
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[11:13] <Ugi_> I knew it brought up a red line in this window but I didn't realise they would end up being mailed about it!
[11:13] <Ugi_> OOps.
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[11:14] <fsphil> the users who shall not be named
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[11:18] <mfa298> some people set up their client to do special things if they're mentioned.
[11:18] <mfa298> although hopefully if they've done that they have some level of rate limiting so they don't get spammed
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[11:19] <Ugi_> I guess if they have set that up then they don't mind getting the mails - otherwise I suppose they could turn it off again. Still, I'll watch out for that.
[11:20] <Ugi_> Thanks for the tip
[11:21] <DanielRichman> Ugi_: hi
[11:21] <DanielRichman> I sent you a PM yesterday evening - I assume you didn't get it
[11:21] <Ugi_> Hi DanielRichman - sorry no, I didn't see that. Was it an IRC message? I'm not sure how to even read those!
[11:21] <DanielRichman> sorry about the delay - just sorting stuff out. Hopefully will be able to reply by the end of today
[11:22] <DanielRichman> aha.
[11:22] <Ugi_> Sorry to hassle you - just wondering about logistics.
[11:22] <DanielRichman> well I just re-sent it
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[11:28] <ibanezmatt13> afternoon :)
[11:29] <chrisstubbsw> "all first aiders to the IT dept."
[11:29] <chrisstubbsw> bad things have clearly gone down
[11:29] <ibanezmatt13> what's up?
[11:31] <daveake> finger in a fan?
[11:32] <craag> Multiple first-aiders for a bleeding finger?
[11:32] <craag> Depends on the size of fan though I guess..
[11:33] <chrisstubbsw> lol
[11:33] <chrisstubbsw> somone ran past with a defibulator so might have been serious
[11:33] <ibanezmatt13> oh dear
[11:33] <daveake> not good
[11:34] <chrisstubbsw> they give the location code too so it was "all first aiders to SH IT department" (s building)
[11:34] <chrisstubbsw> *SH building
[11:35] <astrobiologist_> you'll be amazed at how things can break down in a real emergency. I had a colleague once who had a fit and stopped breathing. The switchboard proved incapable of ringing 999! And nor could any of us remember the internal emergency code on the phones. Myself and two colleagues basically ran off in random directions - and ran past several first aid boxes clearly marked with all the first aiders' numbers. Eventually abou
[11:37] <astrobiologist_> - about ten minutes later by word of mouth, by which time my colleague had come round on her own accord and seemed fine. But it could have been nasty. Since then I've paid much closer attention to the switchboard codes etc. And we also all get fire extinguisher training with burning oil etc. Which is fun.
[11:37] <chrisstubbsw> Anyway how are things?
[11:37] <chrisstubbsw> been working on your pcb ibanezmatt13 ?
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[11:40] <mfa298> fire extinguisher training with real fire is fun. Expecially when they give you a water extinguisher to try and put out a fire with oil/kerosene
[11:41] <Ugi_> mfa298: That sounds more suicidal than fun
[11:41] <daveake> Sounds like something for the conference. I'll bring the H2 :p
[11:41] <Brew> Hi All can i just share that thanks to reading lots of the blog posts and webpages associated to HAB and Upu i've managed to connect a uBlox Max-6 to my raspberry pi and get GPS readings!
[11:41] <mfa298> I think the water had a bit of agent in it so it wasn't as dangerous but gave a good demo of why you don't use water on those fires.
[11:42] <Ugi_> daveake: The local constabulary might have a few questions for you as you heft a massive red cylinder onto the tube!
[11:42] <daveake> :)
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[11:45] <Ugi_> Actually, speaking of cylinders, if I get a "medium" 3m3 He cylinder from party helium, is it likely to come with a reg' etc or do I need to arrange that separately?
[11:46] Nick change: fergusnoble_ -> fergusnoble
[11:46] <daveake> Yeah they come with them
[11:46] <Ugi_> fab' - that's one less job then
[11:47] <Ugi_> just a hose attached to a bit of pipe to go in the neck needed then?
[11:50] <chrisstubbsw> Ugi_: yep!
[11:51] <Ugi_> great. Ta'
[11:51] <chrisstubbsw> Blast the hose with a hairdrier to soften it up and shove it over the inflator regulator thing
[11:51] <chrisstubbsw> Brew: nice work :)
[11:52] <Ugi_> chrisstubbsw: do you use normal garden hose or something fancier?
[11:54] <chrisstubbsw> I do yes
[11:54] <chrisstubbsw> steve randall has a nice filler with some clear pipe
[11:54] <chrisstubbsw> but garden hose does the job
[11:55] <Ugi_> Great. I think I have some clear PVC pipe in the garage but I certainly have a bit of spare garden hose.
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[12:10] <HixWork> in Eagle, if i were to draw a polygon and use tkeepout layer would that restrict groundpour in the keepout area?
[12:11] <brew> chrisstubbsw: thanks next stop to get the NTX2 working
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[12:27] <chrisstubbsw> HixWork: apparently keepout is to prevent components being placed there
[12:27] <chrisstubbsw> is there a tRestrict layer?
[12:27] <HixWork> NOT SURE, DON'T HAVE ON THIS MACHINE
[12:27] <HixWork> bugger CADlock strikes again
[12:31] <chrisstubbsw> I keep trying to do eagle commands in acad :(
[12:31] <chrisstubbsw> induces chronic sadness
[12:31] <HixWork> just downloaded it, will play
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[12:39] <HixWork> yup poly in tRestrict does the job nicely chrisstubbsw
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[12:42] <chrisstubbsw> awesome
[12:42] <chrisstubbsw> whats your current tracker status HixWork ?
[12:43] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/o02a0l
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[12:45] <HixWork> Sorry. I've got yhe 1st gen that is fine I think. there is a gen2 with FRM22B, but not fabbed and I'm probably going to d a gen3 for launch
[12:50] <chrisstubbsw> lmao
[12:51] <chrisstubbsw> tracker status: consumed
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[13:32] <Brew> can anyone recommend a better way of accessing this chat on a mac than through a web browser?
[13:32] <fsphil> any irc client would probably be better than the webchat
[13:33] <Brew> sure any recommendations for a mac one?
[13:33] <fsphil> don't use mac, sorry :)
[13:34] <fsphil> colloquy comes up first in google
[13:34] <Brew> yeah i can't seem to get that to happen
[13:34] <Brew> trying some other things
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> Xchat?
[13:35] <Brew> downloading
[13:35] <HixWork> mIRC
[13:35] <LazyLeopard> I run a remote client on a linux box. ;)
[13:36] <HixWork> http://www.babbelirc.com/index.lasso?go=download
[13:38] <mfa298> in the days of using a mac I used colloquy for irc and it seemed pretty decent
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[13:40] <x-f> Adium can do IRC, too
[13:46] <Joel_re> Brew: irccloud
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[13:47] <Brew__> ah there we go
[13:48] <fsphil> ah, mmsstv has been LGPL'ed. pretty closely tied to windows though, porting that to linux will be a right pain
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[13:56] <Brew__> So far so good coming from xchat
[14:05] <fsphil> xchat is pretty good
[14:06] <Brew__> Hi all I want to connect a NTX2 to my raspberry Pi and just want to check the pin connection, Pi 3.3v to NTX2 VCC, Pi UART TX to NTX2 TX Pi Grnd to NTX2 0V is it as simple as that?
[14:06] <fsphil> you'll need to wire the EN pin on the NTX2 to the VCC pin, to enable the radio
[14:07] <Brew__> that is just a straight short no need for a resistor?
[14:07] <fsphil> and you'll need a few resistors between the Pi's TX pin and the NTX2's TXD pin
[14:07] <fsphil> yea the EN pin can be wired directly to VCC, no need for resistor
[14:07] <Brew__> Any guidance on what kind of value resistors?
[14:08] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[14:08] <fsphil> same deal as this
[14:08] <fsphil> except you're using 3.3v instead of 5v
[14:09] <Brew__> grand I've seen that already but just wanted to check. Back to the iron I'll be back
[14:09] <fsphil> there is a formula there for calcuating the resistance you need for whatever shift you want
[14:09] <fsphil> best to pick a shift from the list of standard ones in fldigi
[14:09] <fsphil> though it'll probably still be off a bit, it's nice to get it close
[14:10] <Ugi_> My aim at 425 has gone to 450 - will that cause people problems in tracking? Can change if needs be.
[14:11] <fsphil> would mean that people would have to adjust it manually
[14:11] <fsphil> not all know how to, or that they might need to
[14:12] <Ugi_> OK. I'll see if I can tweak it.
[14:12] <fsphil> I think you can specify a custom shift in the payload doc anyway, though I remember someone having problems with that
[14:12] <daveake> fsphil Incoming Garfield
[14:13] <Ugi_> Someone on here said that a multiple of the baud rate was good so having stumbled onto 450 I was thinking that would be OK.
[14:15] <chrisstubbsw> shift should be >= baudrate, being a multiple wont matter afaik
[14:15] <mattbrejza> multiple of baud rate
[14:15] <mattbrejza> so that the carriers are othogonal
[14:15] <chrisstubbsw> Fair enough :)
[14:15] <Ugi_> That was it - not that I know what that means
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[14:16] <ibanezmatt13_> afternoon :)
[14:16] <SpeedEvil> the harmonics of the bits don't overlap
[14:16] <ibanezmatt13_> Box has been fully constructed and is ready to fly apart from the 1/4 wave antenna, that comes tomorrow :) Picies later
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[14:17] <Ugi_> How big is your payload ibanezmatt13_ ? And do youi know what the foam part weighs?
[14:17] <ibanezmatt13_> The entire thing including batteries comes to about 440g
[14:17] <Ugi_> Just trying to work out what my total weight will be
[14:17] <ibanezmatt13_> The foam...
[14:18] <ibanezmatt13_> err, I'll weigh it for you now
[14:18] <Ugi_> don't worry if it's a hassle
[14:18] <ibanezmatt13_> nah it's not, gimme a minute or so
[14:18] <Ugi_> I should get round to building mine - then I will know what it weighs!
[14:19] <Ugi_> it's all a question of time, unfortunately
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13_> My box consists of two pieces of foam with cut outs inside for the components
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13_> The layers are practically identical and my heaviest is 50g
[14:19] <Ugi_> a payload sandwich?
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13_> Yep :)
[14:20] <Ugi_> cool. rounghly how large is your foam sarnie?
[14:20] <Ugi_> -n
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[14:21] <ibanezmatt13_> sarnin?
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13_> huh
[14:21] <daveake> Let's hope it doesn't end up in a pickle
[14:22] <Ugi_> sarnie = sandwich: how big are the pieces of foam (e.g. 15 x 20cm or 2 x 8 inches etc)
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> I know, that would be bad
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> Ah I see
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> 25mm thich, 18x31cm
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> thick*
[14:22] <Ugi_> Fab' Thanks
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> 2 of them
[14:22] <ibanezmatt13_> nps
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[14:33] <HixWork> mornin' Babs___
[14:33] <HixWork> ner day; new underscore
[14:33] <HixWork> *new
[14:33] <Babs___> Howdy
[14:34] <Babs___> I don't understand the underscore thing
[14:34] <HixWork> you really are in the US&A aren't you :)
[14:34] <Babs___> I'm connecting through colloquy
[14:34] <HixWork> I think you should be able to ghost Babs
[14:35] <HixWork> or is it that you are getting bigger in the US&A so the name is filling up too?
[14:36] <Babs___> The US is amazing. Only the other day I tracked down my ancestors, ol' ma and pa babington of Monterey http://imgur.com/S5UZWvB
[14:36] <Babs___> Ma babington looks like a right one
[14:37] <HixWork> oh dear me
[14:37] <Babs___> I can't see any settings on colloquy , that's the annoying thing
[14:37] <Babs___> Unless i reinstall
[14:37] <HixWork> have you reg'd with nickserv?
[14:38] <Babs___> Clearly not
[14:38] <HixWork> then try "/nick Babs"
[14:38] Nick change: HixWork -> Babs
[14:38] Nick change: Babs -> HixWork
[14:38] <HixWork> nope - not reserved
[14:39] <Babs___> http://imgur.com/a4st1rI
[14:39] <Babs___> It will all be better in a couple of days when I am back logging in from my laptop
[14:40] <HixWork> I blame Apple
[14:40] <Brace> HixWork: so do I#
[14:40] <fsphil> I blame Apple customers :)
[14:40] <Babs___> Sorry fsphil
[14:41] <Babs___> You guys know all of this dark arts stuff
[14:41] <fsphil> I do have a Mac, I can't speak
[14:41] <fsphil> I just don't use it very often
[14:41] <Babs___> "You guys" - clearly been in Murica too long
[14:41] <fsphil> USA USA
[14:41] <HixWork> Go Team
[14:42] <Babs___> I've been spreading the word out here that cheese need not necessarily come in liquid form
[14:42] Action: HixWork gets really peeved at having to bulk an order from £1.50 to £20 to order from Farnell
[14:42] <fsphil> Such concepts can get you in trouble out there Babs___
[14:42] <HixWork> fekkers
[14:43] <x-f> liquid cheese?
[14:43] <mattbrejza> at room temperature?
[14:43] <Brace> squeezy cheeze
[14:43] <Brace> edible plastic basically
[14:43] <HixWork> con peas
[14:43] <Brace> probably not fit for human consumption really
[14:44] <daveake> And bricks of Velveeta
[14:44] <HixWork> speaking of which, Babs___ have you tried any of the US' "finely textured beef" yet?
[14:44] <daveake> Not easy to find decent cheese over there
[14:44] <fsphil> "having a taste that is identified as a type of American cheese"
[14:44] <fsphil> lol
[14:45] <HixWork> whats velveeta? Industrial bikiniline remover?
[14:45] <Babs___> HixWork: No, was that what you got from the boys at Fulsome prison when you were detained there?
[14:45] <daveake> lol
[14:45] <HixWork> probably the same substance to be fair
[14:46] <Babs___> Daveake - it is crazy. All those nice wines in Sonoma and napa and they serve it up with plastic cheddar
[14:46] <HixWork> Babs___ nope. I was at HMYOI Onley
[14:46] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/YQzPG
[14:46] <Babs___> I mean, I love a bit of cheddar like the next man, but a cheese importer could make some serious wedge over here
[14:47] <daveake> It's actually ok when melted over tortillas
[14:47] <Babs___> I did meet a radio ham over here though
[14:47] <daveake> many wedges
[14:47] <daveake> oh their ham is tasteless too
[14:47] <HixWork> There's probably a USDA ban on "Live Cultures"
[14:47] <Babs___> Before I knew he was a ham I asked him what his job was and he said RF engineer
[14:48] <Babs___> Like a flash, I said radio frequency
[14:48] <daveake> Really Fast
[14:48] <Babs___> (Lightning hey?)
[14:48] <HixWork> Really Fat
[14:48] <Babs___> At which point Jenn rolls her eyes and said "hes just got his radio geek qualification"
[14:48] <daveake> :)
[14:49] <Babs___> And he points at himself and gives his callsign
[14:49] <Babs___> It was strangely comforting
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[14:49] <HixWork> not for daveake it seems
[14:50] <Babs___> He's had enough
[14:51] <HixWork> Have you not seen the light and converted to jeesaas over there?
[14:51] <mattbrejza> has Babs___ gone to that part?
[14:51] <Babs___> What part?
[14:52] <HixWork> the bit bwloe Canada
[14:52] <mattbrejza> the jeesaas part
[14:52] <HixWork> curious typo there
[14:52] <Babs___> Nope, in California
[14:53] <Babs___> Just hippies and techy people here
[14:53] <HixWork> thats where the deeemuns live
[14:53] <HixWork> is that like segregated hipsters?
[14:53] <HixWork> or the constituent groups needed for the formation of a hipster
[14:53] <Babs___> Going to visit Elliot's house off ET today
[14:54] <Babs___> It might even trump the Goonies rock from last week
[14:54] <HixWork> a great place for a "that's not my finger" gag Babs___
[14:54] <HixWork> or BMX theft
[14:56] <Babs___> Jenn is not anusemmmmnm
[14:56] <Babs___> Mmknnl
[14:56] <Babs___> Sorry, water on smartphone
[14:57] <HixWork> I'm going to put that down to a tuchscreen
[14:57] <HixWork> she probably wouldn't be at the 15:56 statement
[14:57] <Babs___> Jenn is not amused with the thought of being placed in a basket and being cycled around
[14:58] <HixWork> beats her planned flight home surely?
[14:58] <HixWork> or does she not know yet
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[14:58] <Babs___> Were you off nomming plastic cheese daveake ?
[14:59] <daveake> ha
[14:59] <daveake> nope
[15:00] <daveake> just a cuppa
[15:00] <daveake> and no Nutrimatic involved
[15:00] <Lunar_LanderU> yay just got my PIN photodiode PCB
[15:00] <fsphil> you should bring some back Babs___. it'll not have gotten any worse by the time of the conference
[15:01] <Babs___> It can only be a matter of time before they start making it from recycled carrier bags
[15:01] <HixWork> likely improved
[15:02] <Babs___> Right, have to go. Laters.
[15:02] <HixWork> Babs___ they do alreay. sorry
[15:02] <HixWork> bye
[15:03] <HixWork> farnell are so annoying. They insist on a £20 min order, yet last time they got it wrong and UPS'd 13 0805 caps from Liege overnight. Fools
[15:03] <ibanezmatt13_> HixWork: WOW! http://gerblook.org/pcb/4ycRXPFCY2ZeSUSsf6WQUZ
[15:04] <ibanezmatt13_> You know, I kinda like yellow. It's... different :)
[15:04] <HixWork> sweet. good work
[15:05] <ibanezmatt13_> I've not even got it yet and I'm jumping up and down with joy!
[15:05] <ibanezmatt13_> Well, not really
[15:05] <ibanezmatt13_> :)
[15:05] <HixWork> yellow is ok http://brewpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/brewpi-shield-and-parts.jpg
[15:06] <ibanezmatt13_> ooh, like that :)
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[15:10] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13_ that's what i was looking for
[15:10] <HixWork> $5 extra
[15:10] <HixWork> http://brewpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BrewPi-PCB-top-300x300.jpg
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[15:10] <Lunar_LanderU> OK well, I think at Mitch I would have gotten a nice PCB with writing on it
[15:10] <ibanezmatt13_> looks nicr
[15:10] <Lunar_LanderU> the one the uni made is quite simple
[15:10] <ibanezmatt13_> nice
[15:11] <Lunar_LanderU> just copper traces on epoxy, no labels and stuff
[15:11] <HixWork> just etched board Lunar_LanderU ?
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[15:12] <Lunar_LanderU> yea
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[15:13] <HixWork> there's no fine pitched SMD parts on there are there? bad enough bridging with soldermask
[15:14] <Lunar_LanderU> no all through-hole
[15:14] <ibanezmatt13_> off for my piano lesson, see you all in a bit. :)
[15:14] <Laurenceb> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kickender
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[15:14] <HixWork> thats ok then
[15:17] <Lunar_LanderU> the engineer told me that SMD boards are not made in-house anyway but somewhere externally
[15:19] <Lunar_LanderU> OK time to move home :)
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[15:38] <Brew__> does anyone have a python test script, I'm just trying to test my NTX2 on my Pi?
[15:40] <Brew__> or any pointers on how to port the Arduino across to the pi?
[15:41] <fsphil> this might work: serial.Serial('/dev/ttyACM0', 300, stopbits=2).write("hello world")
[15:41] <fsphil> needs this too: import serial
[15:41] <fsphil> and pyserial installed
[15:41] <fsphil> and your user to have permission to write to /dev/ttyACM0
[15:42] <Brew__> agh do we think that would be affected by having my GPS module connected?
[15:43] <fsphil> shouldn't, but you won't be able to have both opened at the same time
[15:43] <Brew__> yes that sounds about right, ok back to the research to work out how to stop the GPS and test the NTX2
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[16:13] <cm13g09> evening chrisstubbs
[16:13] <cm13g09> I now have a moderately decent 433MHz ant
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> Awesome :D
[16:14] <cm13g09> well... it picked up my car keyfob very nicely...
[16:14] <cm13g09> (which is 433 :P )
[16:14] <chrisstubbs> Cool :)
[16:14] <chrisstubbs> I can stick a tracker out the window if you want to try that again
[16:14] <cm13g09> maybe in a bit
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[16:14] <cm13g09> got a lot of PCB assembly to do....
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> Aha
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> on that note, i had an interesting delivery today
[16:15] <cm13g09> had a silly-size delivery from Farnell today
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> ;)
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> paintball scoring?
[16:15] <cm13g09> how did you guess
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> #hackvana :P
[16:15] <cm13g09> got 5 units ordered
[16:15] <chrisstubbs> sweet, will be interested to see the setup
[16:16] <cm13g09> I've run out of boards now
[16:16] <cm13g09> so Jenny's got them for sanity checking
[16:16] <chrisstubbs> Mine went to fab yesterday :)
[16:16] <cm13g09> lol
[16:16] <cm13g09> another set of boards left the fab yesterday
[16:17] <cm13g09> (not scoring system related)
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[16:17] <cm13g09> and soon I'll be out of 28-pin DIP sockets :P
[16:17] <chrisstubbs> Spot the errors on these: http://bit.ly/13QFJfC
[16:17] <chrisstubbs> got them in the post today, not happy!
[16:18] <cm13g09> I bet
[16:18] <cm13g09> top one looks like that inductor? is damaged
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> smashed inductor is royalmail/chinaposts fault
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[16:18] <chrisstubbs> and the chinese manufacturer picking crappy inductors probably
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> and the bottom board?
[16:19] <cm13g09> missing resistors!?
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> yep
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> UpuWork, you were right about "shitty chinese regulator syndrome"
[16:19] <number10> whats the Vout/Vin chrisstubbs
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> vin 1.8 vout 5v but i modify them to be vout 3.3v
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> solder another resistor ontop of one in parallel
[16:20] <cm13g09> I have a line is use to suppliers if they ever mess anything up..... "I will treat you as incompetent until you can prove to me that you are not"
[16:20] Nick change: SpEeDEvIiL -> SpeedEvil
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> XD
[16:21] <Gadget-Mac> This might be of interest to some http://airpi.es/index.php
[16:21] <chrisstubbs> at least it was ebay/paypal so good buyer protection
[16:21] <cm13g09> yeah
[16:21] <chrisstubbs> if it was alibaba I might as well burn the evidence and write it off as a loss
[16:21] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: The funny bit is, after using that at them, they either behave themselves....
[16:21] <cm13g09> or, they won't deal with me for years :P
[16:22] <number10> apart from the obvious missing components the soldering looks a bit blobby on thise chrisstubbs
[16:23] <chrisstubbs> No worse than my soldering haha
[16:23] <cm13g09> ah lovely....
[16:23] <SpeedEvil> be fair, they are only eight years old.
[16:23] <chrisstubbs> it even looks like they tinned the bottom left pad of those resistors then just ran out and decided to ship them anyway
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[16:24] <chrisstubbs> SpeedEvil, haha
[16:24] <Steve_2E0VET> evening all
[16:24] <cm13g09> I ordered some SIL resistors....
[16:24] <cm13g09> 5 pin - 4 resistor, plus common
[16:24] <cm13g09> they arrive, with no marking as to which leg is common :P
[16:24] <Steve_2E0VET> i was going to come on here and ask if anyone had any idea why my rtty script was just sending a constant carrier
[16:24] <Steve_2E0VET> but then realised thats what the script was telling it to do
[16:25] <chrisstubbs> Evening Steve_2E0VET
[16:25] <Steve_2E0VET> hi chrisstubbs
[16:25] <chrisstubbs> At least it was an easy bug to fix :) All good now?
[16:25] <number10> always good to check first Steve_2E0VET
[16:25] <cm13g09> Steve_2E0VET: I think in IT, we call that a feature ;)
[16:25] <Steve_2E0VET> cm13g09, yes defo a feature
[16:25] <Steve_2E0VET> we dont use the word "bug"
[16:26] <cm13g09> yep :P
[16:26] <chrisstubbs> Does anyone know what the 4r7 stamped on the top of those inductors is btw? 4.7 ohms?
[16:26] <Steve_2E0VET> ok, so back to trying to get my stuff to all hang together, i think a lot of my problem was USB power
[16:27] <Steve_2E0VET> i never realised i could plug the arduino into the mains, not litterally
[16:27] <cm13g09> ah, and now the fun bit... where I have to suspend the board in mid air, and pray I don't get showered in components :P
[16:29] <mfa298> cm13g09: presumably some form of Henry (as that's what inductance is measured in)
[16:29] <cm13g09> mfa298: I think you wanted chrisstubbs and I think you'll find, chrisstubbs that it's the ESR of the inductor....
[16:30] <mfa298> yup, I just realised I got the wrong c<tab>
[16:30] <cm13g09> lol
[16:30] <chrisstubbs> Ok cool, seems odd they they are not marked with their inductance
[16:30] <mfa298> seems odd to stamp them with ESR rather than inductance
[16:31] <mfa298> do you have an idea of what inductance they should be ?
[16:31] <chrisstubbs> Not a clue
[16:32] <mfa298> this suggests thats a value in uH http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_identify_inductor_markings
[16:32] <chrisstubbs> al236 is the name on the regulator IC
[16:32] <mfa298> with the R being a decimal point
[16:32] <cm13g09> lol
[16:33] <chrisstubbs> 4.7 seems reasonable
[16:34] <cm13g09> right - 3 components on each board to go chrisstubbs, then shall we try to see if I can rx a payload out the window....
[16:34] <mfa298> although if it's only part of the former that's broken off it might be ok.
[16:35] <mfa298> depends if it's something that's going to affect the inductance (and how much it's affected it)
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[16:35] <chrisstubbs> mfa298, will run one later and see if they work
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[16:35] <chrisstubbs> i can populate the resistors myself if i need it
[16:36] <chrisstubbs> if they are even needed
[16:38] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: when are you next flying?
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, when the new boards come
[16:40] <cm13g09> lol
[16:40] <cm13g09> ok
[16:41] <chrisstubbs> 2.5 weeks maybe
[16:41] <cm13g09> fair enough
[16:41] <cm13g09> ok.... 1 part per board left
[16:41] <cm13g09> (a 7805!)
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[16:43] <cm13g09> so chrisstubbs up for a quick bit of cross-town testing?
[16:43] <chrisstubbs> Yeah lets do it
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> I have a cheapo board here ready for action
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> just needs an antenna, give me 5
[16:44] <cm13g09> give me a frequency
[16:44] <cm13g09> and I'll go hunting
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[16:51] <mfa298> Wow, just checked the dates and I've had an ebay delivery from china in under 2 weeks.
[16:51] <cm13g09> right chrisstubbs, ready when you are :)
[16:52] <cm13g09> wow mfa298
[16:52] Action: mfa298 wonders what the world is coming to.
[16:52] <cm13g09> that's impressive
[16:52] Action: cm13g09 runs sanity tests on the boards he's just assembled
[16:52] Action: chrisstubbs unravles cat5
[16:52] <mfa298> ordered 29/7 came through the letter box today
[16:52] <Steve_2E0VET> anyone know which pins to use to connect an sd board to the arduino (yes i know this is #highaltitude lol)
[16:53] <chrisstubbs> Steve_2E0VET, what sd board do you have?
[16:54] <Steve_2E0VET> god knows this is the link to the website but only has a picture of it http://www.lctech-inc.com/Hardware/Detail.aspx?id=0c3b6f7a-d101-4a60-8b56-3abfb7fd818d
[16:54] Action: cm13g09 is going through 5A automotive fuses at a rate of knots....
[16:54] <chrisstubbs> ah ok
[16:55] <chrisstubbs> open the arduino IDE, file, examples, sd, readwrite
[16:55] <chrisstubbs> cross fingers and hope those pins are labeled on your sd board
[16:55] <chrisstubbs> dont forget to add power
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[17:01] <Steve_2E0VET> chrisstubbs, yep they are all there, dont think i did bad icked it up for £8
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arduino-SD-Card-Module-/140876989098?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item20ccec42aa
[17:02] <chrisstubbs> Sorry dude :P
[17:03] <chrisstubbs> or 99p from china snail mail
[17:03] <chrisstubbs> just have to cross fingers and hope they actually put some components on it for you
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, lets make this easy
[17:04] Action: chrisstubbs gets long pole
[17:04] <cm13g09> lol
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[17:10] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, its up
[17:10] <chrisstubbs> 434.29377
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> slowly drifting up
[17:12] <cm13g09> is it constant transmit?
[17:13] <cm13g09> because I have a wonderful amount of continuous tone at 434.303200
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> nope
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> rttying
[17:14] <cm13g09> certainly not seeing RTTY
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[17:14] <cm13g09> oh well
[17:14] <chrisstubbs> I think you need to have a quitet word with your sdr
[17:15] <Steve_2E0VET> i can hear something right in the back of the box, but wont decode it
[17:15] <cm13g09> just need something to go up :P
[17:15] <Steve_2E0VET> that is unless its my ears ringing from hearing 2 days worth of rtty
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> where are you based Steve_2E0VET
[17:15] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: it doesn't help that I'm down a dip
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> the latter is likely :P
[17:15] <Steve_2E0VET> chrisstubbs, I'm up yorkshire so it probably isnt from the ballon
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[17:17] <Steve_2E0VET> how do you get your radio as a mast on spacenear.us
[17:17] <chrisstubbs> Well its only a few tens of feet in the air: http://bit.ly/14oJmNo
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[17:19] <cm13g09> sadly chrisstubbs I;m hearing sweet FA
[17:19] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, pm
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[17:21] <LazyLeopard> Steve_2E0VET: Use dl-fldigi online and enter your location information in the appropriate place.
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[17:24] <Upu> is there something up ?
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[17:27] <chrisstubbs> Upu does this count: http://bit.ly/14oJmNo
[17:28] <Upu> not really :)
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[17:29] <nigelvh> I have to admit I like your style with the poles, the duct tape, and the sky light.
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[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:35] <nigelvh> Morning Lunar
[17:39] <Steve_2E0VET> anyone fancy looking at a bit of GPS code and able to shed any light why i cannot get a gps fix, not even the time http://pastebin.com/FMAF6yEv
[17:40] <Steve_2E0VET> it goes round and round and round the get ack results at the bottom of the code
[17:40] <Steve_2E0VET> cm13g09, we in it call that a loop lol
[17:42] <Steve_2E0VET> bloody hell chrisstubbs ive been robbed
[17:43] <x-f> Steve_2E0VET, have you tried reading the navmode value from the GPS?
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[17:46] <ibanezmatt13> Evening :)
[17:46] <ibanezmatt13> http://gerblook.org/pcb/u8NxGDC5NHiPALwNLJ9qu4
[17:48] <number10> Steve_2E0VET: I dont know what your get_ubx_ack function does... but your code will get stuck in that loop, if that function misses the ack
[17:50] <Steve_2E0VET> x-f, no i havent, best read up on how to do it, dobt suppose there is anything on the wiki
[17:50] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, I'm heading home now but I'll be back on within the hour. https://www.dropbox.com/s/nvops4j6svzvyao/ibanezmatt13_NORB_v1.0.zip Here's the zip folder with all the required files. Also, we're remaking our 1/4 wave antenna later. See you
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[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh, got my PCB from the uni workshop today
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> looks quite good
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> it is a simple etch design but someone here said earlier that is OK as long as there is no SMD
[17:53] <x-f> Steve_2E0VET, http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:falcom_fsa03 - look for the checkNav() function
[17:53] <Steve_2E0VET> x-f, cheers
[17:54] <x-f> np
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> Steve_2E0VET, been robbed of what?
[17:59] <Steve_2E0VET> the sd card....
[17:59] <chrisstubbs> Oh aha
[17:59] <Steve_2E0VET> thought i had a ghood deal at £8
[18:00] <chrisstubbs> top tip:
[18:00] <chrisstubbs> ebay, search, sort by price, buy it now only
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[18:10] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, you got mail
[18:10] <ibanezmatt13> cool, I'll check it out :)
[18:11] <LeoBodnar> When spending time on ebay searching for bargains consider that minimum unskilled labour wage (=searching ebay for bargains) in £6.19 per hour
[18:13] <chrisstubbs> dinnertime, brb
[18:14] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks chrisstubbs I'm not too sure about the SMA connector. With it being on the right angle, I'm not sure what to do about it. I'll look at the vias under the GPS. Those two issues are the ones I was concerned with already. Thanks for checking it out :)
[18:14] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
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[18:27] <ibanezmatt13> ping UpuWork :)
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[18:28] <Steve_2E0VET> what does "expected unqualified-id before '.' token" mean?
[18:30] <jcoxon> evening all
[18:30] <arko> evening
[18:32] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Only if you don't count it as recreation.
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[18:36] <eroomde> evening jcoxon
[18:37] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[18:37] <jcoxon> hows tricks?
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[18:38] <eroomde> they're good
[18:38] <eroomde> made a batch of things at work, felt like i'd earned some money
[18:38] <eroomde> which is nice
[18:38] <jcoxon> good good
[18:39] <eroomde> you?
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:40] <jcoxon> eroomde, yeah, working on ITU
[18:41] <eroomde> that sounds traumatic
[18:41] <jcoxon> no its usually quite calm
[18:41] <jcoxon> when it goes bad though its pretty crazy
[18:42] Action: SpeedEvil resets parser from International Telecommunication Union.
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> I've modified it slightly by moving bits of text around, changing a few oddly-angled tracks but there are still 2 things I'm not sure how to sort. Connecting ground planes under the Ublox, and the RF track to the SMA from the NTX2. http://gerblook.org/pcb/4RUBSYLs8KvTjQ3gX4KMjn#front
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> Upu ^
[18:54] Nick change: Kipkool -> KipK_aw
[18:54] <Upu> evening ibanezmatt13
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> evening Upu
[18:55] <Upu> link to latest pls
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> sure
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> here we are:https://www.dropbox.com/s/m197gxfbbo57bsn/For_Upu_Board.zip
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[19:13] <BabsTab> *taps screen* is this thing on?
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[19:14] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Now see what you did
[19:14] <nigelvh> Maybe, maybe not. It's rather quantum.
[19:14] <BabsTab> Surely on that basis it's both off and on at the same time?
[19:14] <nigelvh> Until you observe it.
[19:15] <nigelvh> Which you just did.
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[19:15] <BabsTab> I think I remember wave functions collapsing. It was many years ago now.
[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> and that was my screen you knocked on glad you didn't split it!
[19:15] <BabsTab> Although I didn't really understand the maths behind them then either
[19:16] <BabsTab> Thanks guys - just checking whether I could log on through this thing. Upside for HixWork though, at least there are no underscores after BabsTab . Yet.
[19:16] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Logon again that will take care of the underscores
[19:17] <BabsTab> I'm never logging off again
[19:17] <nigelvh> That's how I roll. I leave my client open in a screen session, so I just reconnect on whatever device I'm on.
[19:17] <nigelvh> That way I'm always nigelvh
[19:17] <eroomde> i did do that
[19:17] <eroomde> but then 8 years of perma-irc
[19:18] <eroomde> no more
[19:18] <BabsTab> I'm sitting by a pool, it's 90 degrees and a waiter has just bought me a beer. There seems little incentive to come back to blighty.
[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> You've had a Perm ?
[19:18] <eroomde> i'm at 80s baby
[19:18] <eroomde> an*
[19:18] <BabsTab> eroomde: Lots of coverage for sabre and spaceplane. It's excellent.
[19:18] <eroomde> yes
[19:18] <eroomde> all going well
[19:19] <BabsTab> Really good news. I remember hotol the first time around.
[19:19] <eroomde> lots of very very interesting and exciting work in the next 18 months
[19:19] <BabsTab> I might go and see Endeavour tomorrow. It's 12 miles away from me apparently.
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[19:20] <eroomde> you're near LA?
[19:21] <BabsTab> In LA at the Chateau Marmont. You can practically smell John Belushi's corpse
[19:21] <nigelvh> Should have come to see me in Seattle.
[19:21] <nigelvh> Way better.
[19:21] <eroomde> i saw endeavour when i was there
[19:21] <eroomde> it's worth doing
[19:21] <BabsTab> Is it worth doing?
[19:22] <BabsTab> Ahh it's worth doing
[19:22] <BabsTab> I remember in year 2 at school not being allowed to watch the launch on our only tv at school because the headmaster said 6 year olds wouldn't understand it
[19:22] <BabsTab> As in the first launch
[19:23] <BabsTab> Definitely going to go then
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[19:25] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jk4biqfverlb85c/DSCF0972.JPG
[19:25] <eroomde> my fav bit
[19:26] <BabsTab> Those things are epically complex
[19:27] <nigelvh> And especially awesome
[19:27] <BabsTab> I mean, the theory is simple but making it all run with components that are produced in such low batches and subject to such stresses is the most impressive bit of space flight
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[19:28] <BabsTab> eroomde: I could probably spend all day there but if I am asked for guidance from The Powers That Be how long we will have to spend there to see it all how many hours to go around?
[19:28] <eroomde> the difference between 95% efficient and 99% efficient is a whole world of maths and science
[19:28] <eroomde> it was a big hanger with shuttle and engine, basically
[19:28] <eroomde> you can't get too close to either
[19:29] <eroomde> in the rest of the museum are things like a real gemini capsule
[19:29] <eroomde> which i also liked
[19:29] <eroomde> but for the shuttle, you don't actually need much more than 1hr
[19:29] <BabsTab> I'd like to see some Mercury and Gemini stuff if there is time
[19:30] <eroomde> it's v interesting too
[19:30] <BabsTab> The challenge will be that it takes 10 minutes to walk around the hangar for Mrs Babs, but 10 hours for Mr Babs to analyse the tiles, work out how the engine pumps work etc.
[19:31] <eroomde> yes
[19:31] <eroomde> that could be tricky
[19:32] <BabsTab> She's got a good book on her kindle at the moment. It's doable.
[19:32] <BabsTab> I've even sneaked some quality coding in here
[19:33] <BabsTab> Well, "quality" at my coding level is the equivalent of me trying to recreate painting the sisteen chapel with a broken crayon a crayon and a paint roller
[19:33] <BabsTab> *crayola crayon
[19:34] <eroomde> where are the other fifteen chapels
[19:34] <eroomde> overheard in florence
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[19:35] <BabsTab> Awesome.
[19:35] <eroomde> (american accent, quell surprise& sorry nigelvh)
[19:35] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
[19:35] <eroomde> wrong city and everything
[19:36] <BabsTab> Babstip: the Eddie Izzard sketch discussing Murica's use of the word awesome
[19:37] <nigelvh> We're just inpired to awe about everything, get over the fact that you guys see the world in a boring light.
[19:37] <nigelvh> :P
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> nigelvh, got what I said concerning my own PCB?
[19:43] <Upu> ping S_Mark
[19:43] <S_Mark> hey
[19:43] <nigelvh> Lunar, Yeah, I saw you message. Any photos?
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> not yet, didn't expect they'd have it done so quick
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> thus didn't have my camera with me
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> will take some tomorrow
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> but the top has like copper traces and the ground plane on the other side is mostly copper
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[19:45] <S_Mark> hey Upu
[19:45] <Upu> hey S_Mark have you soldered the Sarentel on yet ?
[19:46] <S_Mark> no
[19:46] <S_Mark> not yet
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi S_Mark and Upu
[19:46] <S_Mark> how come?
[19:47] <Upu> the pad design isn't correct
[19:47] <Upu> you'll probably get away with it
[19:47] <S_Mark> uh oh..
[19:47] <Upu> if you solder it on correctly however
[19:47] <Upu> just to be sure you can fix it with a scalpel
[19:48] <S_Mark> ok whats the problem with it
[19:48] <Upu> its not actually meant to have GND under part of it
[19:49] <S_Mark> let me take a pic so you can explain
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[19:49] <Upu> well
[19:49] <Upu> go get my library
[19:49] <Upu> https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries
[19:49] <S_Mark> I got it
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[19:50] <Upu> new version
[19:50] <S_Mark> unless you have updated?
[19:50] <S_Mark> ok
[19:50] <Upu> replace the part
[19:50] <Upu> with the same part then see the difference
[19:50] <Upu> (hit rats nest)
[19:50] <Upu> like I say it probably won't make much difference
[19:50] <Upu> but I just trim the feed dow a little
[19:50] <Upu> and remove the GND at the side
[19:50] <Upu> and it seems to be fine
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[19:53] <S_Mark> http://imgur.com/oWkTT5a
[19:54] <S_Mark> so if I solder that on you reckon it wont work
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[20:00] <S_Mark> I see on the library now Upu
[20:00] <S_Mark> cutting away the top of the rf pad?
[20:01] <Upu> yes
[20:01] <S_Mark> is that the only mod?
[20:02] <Upu> basically there should be a keep out area
[20:02] <Upu> yep that seems to do it
[20:02] <Upu> sorry about that
[20:02] <Upu> like I say it seems to be fine
[20:02] <S_Mark> so just to confirm, cutting away the rf pad from the edge of the board a few mil, just so there is enough to solder?
[20:03] <S_Mark> Ah defo no probs! Thanks for the library in the first place!
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[20:42] <Steve_2E0VET> which language is closet to arduino is it c++
[20:43] <mfa298> I thought arduino was based on C
[20:43] <Steve_2E0VET> hi S_Mark
[20:43] <mfa298> although at that level there isn't a huge difference between C and C++
[20:43] <Steve_2E0VET> is it? just wondered in case i get stuck on syntax
[20:43] <S_Mark> hi Steve_2E0VET
[20:46] <Steve_2E0VET> right i think i will go for a pint!!
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[20:55] <cde> Steve_2E0VET, it's bad for your health
[20:55] <eroomde> it's c++
[20:55] <eroomde> cde: it's good for your soul
[20:56] <cde> :)
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[21:14] <S_Mark> this look dodgy to anyone? http://imgur.com/AsASXSC
[21:15] <Upu> looks ok to me
[21:15] <Upu> sure you're tuned into the actual signal ?
[21:15] <arko> anyone here recovered a hab from the ocean?
[21:15] <Upu> yeah me
[21:15] <Upu> afk dog walk
[21:16] <arko> kk, im looking for pictures of corroded pcbs
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> arko, daveake once had a nice landing off the coast of southern england
[21:16] <arko> especially from the ocean
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> the payloads came back within the hour with the flood
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> arko, http://gallery.apexhab.org/Apex-III/Launch-1/Recovery-from-the-North-Sea
[21:18] <arko> who's hab is that?
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> team Apex is priyesh for example
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> and jonsowman knows about them as well as far as I know, and danielsaul
[21:18] <jonsowman> i was part of apex for a long time :)
[21:19] <jonsowman> Apex III was after my time though
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[21:19] <arko> ah
[21:19] <arko> i would like to ask for permission to use this http://gallery.apexhab.org/Apex-III/Launch-1/Recovery-from-the-North-Sea/Apex-III-Returned-7
[21:19] <arko> picture
[21:19] <arko> in my talk
[21:19] <jonsowman> priyesh and danielsaul ^
[21:20] <jonsowman> i doubt they'll mind :)
[21:20] <arko> hah
[21:20] <arko> it's for my conformal coating slide
[21:20] <jonsowman> haha
[21:20] <arko> show some of the nasty things the world has to offer your electronics
[21:20] <jonsowman> i think it might do better on your "don't land in the sodding sea" slide
[21:20] <arko> haha
[21:21] <arko> yum yum yum salt eat now
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> the best thing would be if that board would still work XD
[21:21] <arko> well if it was coated and the battery was protected
[21:21] <jonsowman> bits of it still worked
[21:21] <arko> that could have been a possibility
[21:21] <jonsowman> i can't remember which bits
[21:22] <arko> i'm not shocked
[21:22] <arko> ooo unintentional pun
[21:22] <danielsaul> arko: Feel free to use any of our pics
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:22] <jonsowman> :D
[21:22] <arko> thanks danielsaul :)
[21:23] <arko> nasa agreed to let me use a few slides too
[21:23] <arko> err
[21:23] <arko> photos
[21:23] <arko> makes the ppt less boring
[21:23] <danielsaul> The board booted up but GPS didny work and radio was weird iirc
[21:25] <arko> nice
[21:25] <arko> did it transmit on spashdown?
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[21:25] <arko> then again i doubt you were near by
[21:26] <arko> visibility was probably very bad
[21:26] <danielsaul> and jonsowman, Im not sure you ever cease bring an apex member... :P
[21:26] <danielsaul> *being
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[21:27] <danielsaul> arko: No idea, last recieve was a couple of hundred metres altitude I believe
[21:27] <arko> ah
[21:28] <danielsaul> We were on our way home
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[21:34] <mattbrejza> anyone got a quick link to everyones favourite blue foam?
[21:34] <mclane> Hi, someone here to approve a flight document?
[21:35] <Upu> sure mclane
[21:35] <mclane> Doc ID is d80e570d6a3cce14a954c4aced411893
[21:35] <Upu> done
[21:35] <mclane> super, thanks!
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[21:40] <BabsTab> Arko, you have a fellow HABber this side of the Atlantic for once
[21:40] <arko> oh?
[21:41] <arko> you in murica?
[21:41] <BabsTab> Sure am boy
[21:41] <arko> you mentioned me the other day or something
[21:41] <arko> welcome to the motherland
[21:41] <BabsTab> Yes, it was Murica proximity mention
[21:41] <arko> ahh
[21:41] <arko> i remember something about a sister
[21:41] <arko> i was like ???
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[21:42] <BabsTab> Your picture of the transmitters in Europe on spacenear and you on your own with the reddit angst face remains the funniest thing I've seen on here
[21:42] <arko> haha
[21:43] <BabsTab> Are you San Fran based?
[21:43] <arko> i don't have big enough dreams to live there
[21:43] <arko> im in los angeles
[21:44] <BabsTab> I'm in LA too - well, for about 48 hours
[21:44] <BabsTab> Going to see endeavour tomorrow
[21:44] <arko> gtfo
[21:44] <arko> seriously?
[21:44] <arko> what are you doing tonight
[21:44] <BabsTab> I was allowed either that or the house from ET by the new Mrs Babs, but not both
[21:45] <arko> haha
[21:45] <BabsTab> Well, I am meant to be honeymooning the majority of the time
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:45] <arko> ohhh
[21:45] <Upu> lol
[21:45] <arko> best not interrupt that
[21:45] <Upu> go see Arko on your honeymoon :)
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> BabsTab, can you help arko to assemble Curiosity II really quick?
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:45] <arko> Upu has the right idea
[21:45] <arko> BabsTab: http://i.imgur.com/OL6mx3O.jpg
[21:45] <arko> found it
[21:45] <arko> hahaha
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> LOL
[21:45] <BabsTab> That is so funny
[21:45] <craag> lol arko
[21:46] <arko> it's the truth some days
[21:46] <arko> most days
[21:46] <BabsTab> Arko are you assembling curiosity II?
[21:46] <arko> well not yet
[21:46] <arko> parts are being ordered at the moment
[21:46] <arko> lots of work to do before the SAF
[21:46] <BabsTab> Farnell?
[21:46] <BabsTab> You would definitely get over the minimum order threshold
[21:47] <BabsTab> What is SAF?
[21:47] <arko> aw man, i would have said we should get drinks in downtown la or to come visit our hackerspace in downtown
[21:47] <arko> Spacecraft Assembly Facility
[21:47] <arko> hah, Farnell
[21:47] <BabsTab> Awwww man. I would love that.
[21:47] <arko> that would be hilarious
[21:48] <BabsTab> Is it too early in the marriage to get divorced?
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[21:48] <arko> sorry buddy
[21:48] <arko> that ship sailed
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[21:49] <BabsTab> She has been pretty patient - we spent 30 minutes at dinner last night with me explaining check digits and transfer protocols
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[21:49] <arko> keeper
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> btw I made a PCB
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:50] <BabsTab> Although I have spent the last six months discussing flower arrangements, so it was time for payback
[21:50] <arko> if i knew earlier i would have setup a tour at jpl
[21:50] <arko> it takes longer for foreign nationals
[21:50] <BabsTab> DON'T DO THIS TO ME
[21:50] <arko> sorry dude
[21:50] <BabsTab> It's like pouring vinegar into an open wound
[21:50] <arko> soonest i could do is monday
[21:50] <arko> haha
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> btw can I ask a stupid question?
[21:50] <BabsTab> I will be back working by Monday
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> you surely know Short Circuit, right?
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> the movie
[21:51] <arko> blah
[21:51] <BabsTab> Definitely take you up on that next time - will come and say hi at the conference
[21:51] <arko> :)
[21:51] <arko> we shall drink afterwards
[21:51] <arko> the night is young ho hum blah blah
[21:51] <BabsTab> Awesome. We have proper beer in London too.
[21:51] <arko> i need to learn bar songs
[21:51] <arko> i've heard
[21:51] <arko> belgian beers are my fav
[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> arko, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yr1-BBMaMA
[21:52] <BabsTab> If anyone starts singing father Abraham run
[21:52] <arko> but i have a place for english beer in my hear
[21:52] <arko> t
[21:52] <arko> whats that?
[21:52] <arko> LL ??
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> some bar music
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:53] <arko> >_>
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> but I like that Curiosity II is being made
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> earlier, too much has been dropped
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> like Voyager 3
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> or Viking 3
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> AFAIK there were serious plans for those
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> or even earlier the expansions of Ranger, Lunar Orbiter and Surveyor
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> all cancelled after they served their job to prepare Apollo
[21:55] <arko> neat
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> I thought Voyager was especially sad
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> there was a route
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> not approved because Pluto was not that interesting
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> when Charon was discovered around 1979 it was too late
[21:56] <arko> heh, o well
[21:57] <arko> brb walking my dog
[21:57] <Upu> lol
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> they could not use Voyager 1 then because they would had have to made the decision at launch to fly that route
[21:57] <BabsTab> Arko - just in case you are near West Hollywood and fancy dropping in for a quick beer, it has just been granted approval from the Powers That Be
[21:57] <BabsTab> I mean, I'm still my own man and everything, making my own decisions etc.
[21:58] <arko> :O
[21:58] <arko> im down
[21:58] <arko> i was gonna go downtown to test the thermal vac chamber
[21:58] <BabsTab> But if not, I will buy you a Belgian in the UK
[21:58] <arko> haha
[21:58] <BabsTab> I have no clue where downtown is
[21:59] <arko> were in west hollywood are you?
[21:59] <BabsTab> Is it the lowest altitude or the lowest latitude?
[21:59] <BabsTab> Chateau Marmont
[21:59] <wrea> I'd love to do one of the JPL public tours one day
[21:59] <arko> wow damn
[21:59] <BabsTab> Although judging by the state of the carpets it's more Shateau Marmont
[21:59] <arko> thats an expensive place
[22:00] <BabsTab> Got a good deal.
[22:00] <arko> hah
[22:00] <arko> wrea: you should!
[22:01] <BabsTab> Plus after the cost of the wedding everything else is minor static
[22:01] <arko> BabsTab: up to you and the wife
[22:01] <wrea> I grew up in the bay area and I hate I never went to Ames
[22:01] <arko> i dont want to infringe
[22:01] <BabsTab> I'm living on porridge until 2017
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> can I ask my stupid short circuit movie question?
[22:01] <wrea> I'm going to be in socal next month but no time to do a tour
[22:01] <arko> wrea: aww, i'll be in the uk next month :P
[22:02] <BabsTab> It's cool - no infringement
[22:02] <BabsTab> Am here until sat midday so plenty of time
[22:02] <arko> cool cool
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[22:04] <wrea> arko: I'm going to be in Atascadero for my brothers wedding
[22:04] <arko> nice! san luis obispo!
[22:04] <arko> brb
[22:06] Nick change: KipK_aw -> Kipkool
[22:10] <wrea> Probably going to go to In n Out a few times
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[22:15] <arko> wrea yes
[22:15] <arko> you are doing it right
[22:17] <wrea> The closest one to me is Redding :(
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[22:17] <wrea> 8.5 hours away
[22:18] <arko> worth a day trip
[22:18] <arko> :P
[22:18] <wrea> lol
[22:19] <wrea> Farthest I go for food is Portland :P
[22:20] <arko> weird people there
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[22:22] <wrea> arko: Got that right
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[22:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.unitednuclear.com/?main_page=product_info&cPath=16_17_69&products_id=89 - random question - does anyuone happen to know of a good source of granular aerogel in the UK?
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[23:03] <cde> but why?
[23:04] <Laurenceb_> SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0bCpD0tx1iU
[23:05] <Laurenceb_> dont need aerogel for thermal resistance
[23:07] <arko> plus aerogel is probably very dangerous to breath
[23:07] <arko> like asbestos or something
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> i doubt that
[23:08] <Laurenceb_> citation needed :P
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb_: I mean more thenrmal resistance as in W.m^2/K
[23:10] <SpeedEvil> Not 'I can point a blowtorch at it'
[23:11] Action: SpeedEvil wonders if he's got the dimensions correct on that.
[23:11] Action: SpeedEvil decides it's too late for dimensional analysis.
[23:11] <Laurenceb_> i see
[23:11] <Laurenceb_> that video is pretty epic
[23:12] Action: SpeedEvil is wondering about making some aerogel.
[23:12] <Laurenceb_> ive forgotten the technique
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> Using a scaffolding pole as a reactor.
[23:12] <Laurenceb_> supercritical CO2?
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Alcohol I was thinking of.
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> But yes - supercritical
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:13] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
[23:13] <Laurenceb_> work 2morrow :-/
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[23:38] <jarod> that guy who is a pilot, forgot his name, he here?
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[23:38] Nick change: Kipkool -> KipK_aw
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[23:41] <jarod> http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2013-06-13-AIRAC/eAIP/html/graphics/eAIP/EH-AD-2.EHAM-IAC-06-2.pdf?
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[23:41] <jarod> i want to figure out what those H S G M symbols mean...
[23:42] <jarod> any idea?
[23:44] <jarod> ah, http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2013-06-13-AIRAC/eAIP/html/eAIP/EH-GEN-2.3-en-GB.html?#GEN-2.3 got it :P
[23:46] <arko> http://skyvector.com/
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