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[00:39] <Lambeta> Laurenceb, how large was your antenna for the gps occultation experiment
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[04:49] <AF5LI> hi
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[06:41] <Willdude223> Hi
[06:46] <number10> morning
[06:48] Nick change: zyp_ -> zyp
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[07:06] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Morning All
[07:08] <number10> morning
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[07:12] <x-f> morning
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[07:39] <fsphil> ah, AF5LI-11 has landed
[07:40] <fsphil> looks like it got sucked down a vortex
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[07:43] <gonzo_> sounds a bit sci-fi
[07:44] <fsphil> only if they'd tried to remodulate their shield polarisation
[07:46] <gonzo_> would need a flux capacitor for that
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[07:50] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Did it go back in time?
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[07:50] <gonzo_> that would be a nmea string processing error then!
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[09:39] <HixWork> freenode looks like its haviong a bit of a paddy this morning
[09:39] <Jonathan_G4KLX> You should have seen it last night.
[09:42] <Willdude223> Afternoon people.
[09:42] <Willdude223> How are you all this fine afternoon?
[09:42] <HixWork> Jonathan_G4KLX, from about 01:00 onwards it seems
[09:43] <HixWork> got irc sorted then Willdude223
[09:43] <number10> its morning Willdude223
[09:44] <Willdude223> Not for me?
[09:44] <Willdude223> :-)
[09:44] <Willdude223> HixWork, yesh
[09:45] <Willdude223> But IRC over 200 kbps internet is painful.
[09:45] <Willdude223> Well ssh is. Would it be faster to use an irc cluent for android or use ssh and irssi?
[09:46] <gonzo_> irc over 600bd is doable!
[09:46] <HixWork> probably android irc client
[09:46] <Willdude223> Sat onnthe balcony with a can of coke, a copy of The Outsider.
[09:46] <HixWork> though typing is painful
[09:46] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Life is hard for some people.....
[09:46] <HixWork> any Octave users about? eroomde?
[09:47] <Jonathan_G4KLX> I've used it, and MATLAB.
[09:47] <HixWork> ah cool, just found #octave
[09:48] <HixWork> having probs with plot on cygwin
[09:48] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Good for simulating comms links.
[09:48] <HixWork> I'm a total noob to octave
[09:48] <Willdude223> Yeah I have androirc.
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[09:50] <Willdude123> Wtf my pass is showing
[09:51] <HixWork> not here
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[09:51] <Willdude223> Oh goos
[09:51] <Willdude223> Good
[09:51] <Willdude223> Afk luncheon.
[09:52] <HixWork> meat
[09:52] <Willdude223> Enjoy talking to the hotel room safe people.
[09:55] <HixWork> got the code for everyones safes
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[10:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Guys, what we got going on today?
[10:36] Action: fsphil is pondering what to have for lunch
[10:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is it that time already....
[10:37] <fsphil> not yet. thinking ahead though
[10:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Always good to be prepared
[10:38] <fsphil> don't believe there are any flights today
[10:39] <HixWork> heathrow would beg to differ with you there
[10:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> I think Chris is sending a foil up this evening
[10:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Adrian
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[10:40] <ibanezmatt13> Good morning
[10:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> 'Morning ibanezmatt13
[10:40] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frxtqzobofk73wa/HAB.sch Please tell me they're connected :)
[10:40] <fsphil> see this is why they wouldn't let me be an air traffic controller
[10:40] <HixWork> heh
[10:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-)
[10:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> ibanezmatt13: Where's that from out of interest?
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[10:42] <ibanezmatt13> I'm using Eagle to create my own PCB. Just getting used to the software :)
[10:42] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, why the through hole resistor? get some 0805's like the caps
[10:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh OK Cool. I've seen a few circuits and they all seem much of a muchness
[10:43] <HixWork> all looks good though, if you go to board mode you can see the airwires
[10:43] <ibanezmatt13> I typed in "resistor 0805" and that's the only thing it returned
[10:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Searchng for components in eagle is a real pain. It has definitely got 0805s though
[10:43] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Are the actual connections correct? So if that was created as an actual board, would it work? I've not put the NTX2 in yet though
[10:44] <HixWork> in libraries > resistor > C-EU > C-EUC0805 thats the badboy
[10:45] <ibanezmatt13> would an R0805 be ok?
[10:45] <mattbrejza> reset is connected wrong btw
[10:45] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, updated it https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgq9g857dhfjzwa/HAB.sch
[10:46] <HixWork> got 0805 res now
[10:46] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks HixWork
[10:46] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: You mean the 10k?
[10:46] <HixWork> ahh its internal isnt it mattbrejza
[10:46] <mattbrejza> the reset to the ISP should be connected to the actual pin (wrong side of the resistor)
[10:46] <HixWork> afk
[10:47] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: not sure what you mean?
[10:47] <ibanezmatt13> oh I see
[10:48] <ibanezmatt13> I need the reset connection after the resistor
[10:48] <ibanezmatt13> hang on, already got that...
[10:48] <mattbrejza> yea because youve just connected reset of the isp to vcc
[10:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll be interested to see your final circuit ibanezmatt13
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[10:48] <Willdude123> Hello
[10:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Will
[10:49] <x-f> hello, George I
[10:49] <ibanezmatt13> As will I GOTDJ_Steve :)
[10:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL
[10:49] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: so I need to move the junction which connects the reset label before the resistor?
[10:49] <Willdude223> How the fuck did that happen?
[10:50] <Willdude223> Sorry
[10:50] <mattbrejza> well so that the reset label connects directly to the reset pin
[10:50] <mattbrejza> which i guess if before but that depends on which side youre looking at it
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[10:51] <ibanezmatt13> Do you mean I need to draw an actual connection to the ICSP header? I thought the label would be ok if it had the same name.
[10:51] <Willdude223> x-f, why was that showing?
[10:51] <mattbrejza> yea the label is fine, its just connected at the wrong place
[10:51] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok
[10:52] <mattbrejza> brb
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[10:52] <x-f> Willdude223, it's your username/ident, i guess, you have set it so in your IRC client's config
[10:53] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, why the three 100nF caps?
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[10:54] <ibanezmatt13> err, current surge protection perhaps? It was reccomended
[10:54] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork mattbrejza https://www.dropbox.com/s/frxtqzobofk73wa/HAB.sch Is the connection to the ICSP header any better?
[10:54] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, SCK is not connected either
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[10:55] <ibanezmatt13> not done that bit HixWork, doing it now
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[10:57] <Willdude223> Jesus
[10:58] <HixWork> Mary, Joseph
[10:58] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, http://image.pinout.net/pinout_10_pin_files/avr_icsp.png
[10:59] <Willdude123> Why is this happening, I've idented.
[10:59] <ibanezmatt13> Ok, here's what I got now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frxtqzobofk73wa/HAB.sch
[11:00] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: I think I've followed that pinout for the 6 pin header on that link
[11:00] <HixWork> for the 328 http://i.imgur.com/4pBqWlJ.png
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[11:01] <ibanezmatt13> I've been following that pic too HixWork
[11:01] <HixWork> cool
[11:01] <ibanezmatt13> Is everything ok with it now?
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[11:03] <HixWork> seems to be
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[11:04] <HixWork> still not sure on the 3 caps on vcc someone else will have to advise on that though as I'm not electronics boff
[11:05] <LeoBodnar> Willdude123: You either stop swearing or you will be kicked out of here. Saying sorry each time does not cut it anymore. I am quite sick of you to be honest.
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[11:07] <ibanezmatt13> Had major router failure
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[11:07] <fsphil> did it explode?
[11:07] <ibanezmatt13> almost, it reset :)
[11:07] <fsphil> not too major then :)
[11:07] <ibanezmatt13> suppose not
[11:07] <HixWork> can do terrible damage to the wood when the router fails
[11:07] <HixWork> i prefer a spokeshave myself ;p
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[11:08] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: There are three pins on the Ublox Chip I'm not sure what to do with: VCC_RF, ANTON and RF_IN
[11:08] <HixWork> datasheet?
[11:08] <fsphil> RF_IN should be pretty obvious
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[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah I've read the datasheet but it doesn't really help me.
[11:09] <fsphil> ANTON is not someone's name
[11:09] <HixWork> what gps chip are you using - not got it open
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> Ublox Max 6
[11:09] <HixWork> typo fsphil its a swiss regional term
[11:09] <ibanezmatt13> page 10
[11:09] <HixWork> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0k9nn4awbv2rcp/MAX-6_DataSheet_%28GPS.G6-HW-10106%29.pdf
[11:10] <HixWork> that one yes
[11:10] <HixWork> VCC_RF O Can be used for active antenna or external LNA supply. so don't bother with it
[11:10] <LeoBodnar> UpuWork: Good job showing me some colour blobs on your screen during B-8 flight. I have already received my FCD Pro+ XD
[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: I was thinking of having a connector where I could connect an external antenna for the GPS.
[11:11] <HixWork> RF_IN is the centre of the SMA for the GPS ant
[11:11] <ibanezmatt13> That makes sense
[11:11] <HixWork> 10 / 12 go to the outer GND pins
[11:12] <HixWork> make the trace on the board as wide and as short as you can i.e SMA right up next to the pins
[11:12] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[11:12] <HixWork> there are SMAs in the AVA library UPU created
[11:13] <ibanezmatt13> Brilliant, that's all the info I needed and more. Thanks HixWork
[11:13] <HixWork> which he conviniently sells in his HABrUS store
[11:13] <HixWork> nps
[11:13] <ibanezmatt13> right, off for lunch. See you :)
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[11:18] <Willdude223> Meh
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[11:19] <Willdude223> LeoBodnar: I am too
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[11:20] <cyclops> Hi a
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[11:21] <Willdude223> Hi
[11:21] <LeoBodnar> Try at least logging via different hosts from these accounts if you are attempting to play this game
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[11:21] <cyclops> :D Guys I got some listeners in spain
[11:21] <Willdude223> Sorry, I have a dodgy connenction here.
[11:22] <cyclops> Maybe we can populate the country like the UK (of antennas)
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[11:22] <Willdude123> LeoBodnar, what game?
[11:23] <HixWork> cool cyclops that would also be helpful for euro floaters too
[11:23] <cyclops> yea HixWork there is no reception station here :P, and AFAIK every listener can upload the data to Spacenear?
[11:23] <cyclops> So that it is checked to be correct?
[11:24] <HixWork> yes using dl-fldigi
[11:24] <Willdude123> Sorry for all the quit/join messages.
[11:24] <cyclops> Ill create the webpage today
[11:24] <HixWork> for your project sys
[11:24] <cyclops> So all the interested spanish radioamateurs can fallow it
[11:25] <cyclops> And ill translate in english for you!
[11:25] <HixWork> cyclops, what about doing the wiki page in spanish? I don't believe anyone has done so yet?
[11:25] <cyclops> Yeah nobody has done it
[11:26] <cyclops> Well its a good Idea
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[11:26] <HixWork> register an account on the Wiki and do it there then link to it from your site? It would help the wiki and all the users
[11:26] <cyclops> I dont have any problem on writing it
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[11:26] <HixWork> cool - I'm sure everyone would welcome that
[11:26] <cyclops> Ill do after lucnh
[11:26] <cyclops> *lunch
[11:26] <HixWork> 8 lingo wiki coming up :D
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[11:27] <cyclops> yeah, the thing is that in spain HAB is not really common
[11:27] <cyclops> AFIK a lot of projects made here appear on TV because people are not used to young people doing things
[11:27] <HixWork> the first HAB project i saw was a spanish one :)
[11:28] <Willdude123> cyclops, you a student then?
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[11:28] <HixWork> plus the more people see the more interest
[11:28] <cyclops> So its like "OH WHOA A BALLOON IN SPACE" that must be only for Nasa engineers
[11:28] <cyclops> yes Willdude123
[11:28] <HixWork> he said space :D
[11:28] <Willdude123> How old are you?
[11:28] <cyclops> 17
[11:28] Action: HixWork monitors fsphil's blood pressure
[11:28] <Willdude123> Nice. i'm 13
[11:28] <cyclops> Which one did you saw HixWork ?
[11:29] <HixWork> errmmm, gimme 5
[11:29] <cyclops> Quite young
[11:29] <Willdude123> Yesh
[11:29] <cyclops> Have you allready launch a balloon?
[11:29] <fsphil> HixWork: boiling. possibly because I'm in space
[11:30] <HixWork> heh
[11:30] <cyclops> Yeah Space its not the correct word
[11:30] <HixWork> only jokijng cyclops
[11:30] <fsphil> just happen to be in a part of space filled with air
[11:31] <fsphil> thankfully
[11:31] <HixWork> in suomi it appears
[11:31] <cyclops> Yeah I know, but everyone uses "Space" to refer to what is outside the earth
[11:32] <Willdude123> cyclops no
[11:32] <Willdude123> (Parents)
[11:32] <fsphil> balloons need atmosphere to rise, or a rocket
[11:32] <cyclops> Oh, mine will be launched the 11-14th of august
[11:32] <Willdude123> Hi fsphil
[11:32] <cyclops> I allready ordered the helium
[11:32] <fsphil> howdy mr.dude
[11:33] <HixWork> cyclops, this prokect http://teslabs.com/meteotek08/
[11:33] <HixWork> its what got me interested in HAB
[11:33] <Willdude123> Nice
[11:33] <fsphil> last day at work before holiday. not too much getting done
[11:33] <cyclops> Oh, i see
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[11:33] <cyclops> Yes i've also seen that
[11:33] <Willdude123> fsphil, I am on holiday
[11:33] <HixWork> last day before my last week at this company - nothing getting done
[11:33] <cyclops> Their payload was 5kg
[11:33] <HixWork> well im sure ibanezmatt13 may disagree ;p
[11:33] <cyclops> a lot has improved
[11:34] <Willdude123> I'm on the balcony with a pepsi and the book 'The Outsider' by Albert Camus
[11:34] <HixWork> Ed is still a supporter of heavly payloads as long as they are doing something interesting
[11:35] <fsphil> there goes my random brick project
[11:35] <HixWork> i love brick
[11:35] <HixWork> are you going away fsphil or just not to work :)
[11:35] <fsphil> HixWork: just not to work
[11:35] <fsphil> well I'm camping on an island this weekend
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[11:35] <fsphil> and island within an island
[11:35] <HixWork> nice
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[11:36] <cyclops> Yes but the Meteotek08 one does the same as mine with about 0,7kg as miniaturization has inproved everithing
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[11:36] <HixWork> I have a friend currently cycle touring Swizerland _ am deeply jealous of the photo updates on facebook
[11:36] <fsphil> oh nic
[11:36] <fsphil> +e
[11:37] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/o3nFbJ & http://goo.gl/2DJ7mP
[11:38] <HixWork> And I'm in an office coming up to death row week grrrrr
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[11:40] <HixWork> sorry cyclops i said Spanish students - they are Catalan :)
[11:40] <cyclops> No
[11:40] <cyclops> They are spanish
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[11:41] <HixWork> is there not a difference?
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[11:41] <HixWork> I'm guessing most of the text as I only speak french so am missig a lot
[11:41] <HixWork> and trying to not use google cheat
[11:41] <cyclops> That independence thing its a way the catalan gov has to distract people meanwhile he cuts in Education, Health...ç
[11:42] <HixWork> c
[11:42] <HixWork> oops
[11:42] <HixWork> ahh
[11:42] <cyclops> HixWork: No difference, catalonia is in spain
[11:42] <gonzo_> c oe Si ?
[11:42] <gonzo_> or
[11:42] <HixWork> heh
[11:42] <cyclops> Part of the spanish territory and the spanish gov
[11:42] <HixWork> yes units
[11:42] <HixWork> like a Wales thing
[11:42] Action: HixWork ducks
[11:43] <cyclops> Well the fact is that Catalonia was never a "Independent country"
[11:43] <gonzo_> poss more NI ?
[11:43] <HixWork> I'm not going to go there on that one
[11:44] <cyclops> But HixWork its a common debate here, the fact is that as constitution says the spanish territory can't be parted, unless all the Spanish want to
[11:44] <gonzo_> well, the welsh nationalist nutters never did much more than torch the odd holiday cottage
[11:45] <HixWork> does the basque regoin stretch from west to east the whole length of the border?
[11:46] <HixWork> heh gonzo_
[11:46] <cyclops> the Basque country?
[11:47] <HixWork> Euskadi is that correct?
[11:47] <HixWork> or is it just around bayonne
[11:47] <cyclops> look http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Localización_del_Pa%C3%ADs_Vasco.svg
[11:47] <cyclops> The red part
[11:48] <cyclops> Euskadi is correct, Vasque or Basque country also
[11:48] <HixWork> ahh, I thought that it stretched across the border.
[11:48] <cyclops> Much smaller
[11:49] <cyclops> That ones also wanted the independence
[11:49] <cyclops> And is where ETA terrorist are from
[11:50] <gonzo_> I recon in the UK we should all campaign for independence from london
[11:50] <HixWork> yeah, knew the ETA thing. I did a little design work on this years ago http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Epsilon_Euskadi_ee1_21_Front.jpg/799px-Epsilon_Euskadi_ee1_21_Front.jpg
[11:50] <HixWork> independence from Cameron gonzo_ :D
[11:51] <HixWork> and I've watched Euskadi Euskatel in cycling races, dunno why, I just have a weird affinity for the place
[11:52] <HixWork> having only been to Bayonne once for a weekend. Seems there is a Celtic connection somewhere
[11:53] <cyclops> Lol the Epsilon Euskade cars company closed :p
[11:53] <HixWork> yeah, shame
[11:53] <HixWork> can't pin that one on my design work though ;p
[11:54] <cyclops> So you are a graphic designer?
[11:54] <HixWork> Mechanical Engineer
[11:55] <HixWork> CADmonkey in employment terms :D
[11:56] <LeoBodnar> Where is Ascari in Spain?
[11:56] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/FsS0Gv
[11:56] <HixWork> Ascari spain?
[11:56] <HixWork> as in cars? Banbury last I knew
[11:56] <daveake> They have a track in Spain
[11:57] <HixWork> oh the resort thingy
[11:57] <daveake> yep
[11:57] <HixWork> buy a car and a villa and race instead of have a pool - like the idea
[11:57] <daveake> if you fancy buying me a present, a holiday there will do fine
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[11:57] <HixWork> if you respond with a McLaren P1, fine
[11:57] <steve_2e0vet> on the DVB-TV dongles is the antenna port called a "belling Lee"
[11:58] <daveake> P1? Nah, better than that, I'll take you out for a lap in my Elise :p
[11:58] <cyclops> Go race to the Montmeló circuit
[11:58] <gonzo_> belling-lee is the traditional TV type aerial connactor
[11:58] <LeoBodnar> They have former RedBull F1 car. I have done a jobbie for them replacing plasma screen in the wheel when it broke. Duh.
[11:59] <HixWork> I can't help but read your nick as Steve Ovett steve_2e0vet
[11:59] <daveake> lol me too :)
[11:59] <HixWork> proper car LeoBodnar or "Showcar"
[12:00] <LeoBodnar> Proper car
[12:01] <steve_2e0vet> ive been called worst
[12:01] <LeoBodnar> == total mess electronics wise
[12:01] <HixWork> Ronda (Malaga)
[12:01] <HixWork> LeoBodnar, mess as in looms everywhere?
[12:01] <cyclops> Nice place
[12:01] <cyclops> Im launching at 140 of there
[12:02] <LeoBodnar> I'm going to upload some pics
[12:02] <HixWork> be interested in that
[12:03] <HixWork> there's the resort http://goo.gl/mfSSOs
[12:03] <cyclops> Nice place
[12:03] <cyclops> :P
[12:05] <HixWork> even nicer http://goo.gl/XHKw96
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[12:06] <HixWork> ooh lunch escape. ping me when you've uploaded them pics LeoBodnar pls?
[12:06] <HixWork> biab
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[12:11] <LeoBodnar> HixWork Here's the wheel thingy. Fixed and even paid for. http://leobodnar.com/files/RB/
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork, HixWork, mattbrejza: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frxtqzobofk73wa/HAB.sch
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[12:12] <Willdude123> Hi
[12:14] <daveake> Pi Research again :)
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[12:15] <mattbrejza> btw its generally easier for us if you upload a png of your schematic rather than a eagle file
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[12:15] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13:
[12:15] <mattbrejza> (dw now though)
[12:15] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I'll do that from now on
[12:16] <mattbrejza> the reset is fine now
[12:16] <ibanezmatt13> good :)
[12:16] <mattbrejza> btw 0805 resistors are in rcl/r-eu/0805 or something like that
[12:16] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I'll have a look at that
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[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> Also, for the Max 6, do I leave ANTON and VCC_RF open and just use RF_IN?
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[12:18] <mattbrejza> yep
[12:18] <Willdude123> Hi ibanezmatt13
[12:18] <ibanezmatt13> Hi Will
[12:19] <cyclops> yeah, just got a domain for the project
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> thanks mattbrejza
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[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: In Upu's library, the bus_SMA seems to only have two points to connect to. I thought they had 3?
[12:21] <mattbrejza> well it has one for RF, and then some ground
[12:21] <mattbrejza> maybe 4 ground?
[12:21] <mattbrejza> upu might have combined all gnd into one pin
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> That makes sense
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[12:21] <mattbrejza> or, eagle might automatically connect them to nets called gnd unless you explicity request otherwise
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I'll try to get them the right way round :)
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[12:24] <mattbrejza> btw (bit late now) there is a library called avr6 that you can get from the eagle website, it labels the pins in more detail than the one you have
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[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> I'll get that, thanks
[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: https://www.dropbox.com/s/69sj3xyqv4xmc0w/schem.png
[12:24] <mattbrejza> it also has a correctly labelled isp header
[12:25] <ibanezmatt13> That would be handy too
[12:25] <mattbrejza> yea thats good
[12:25] <ibanezmatt13> excellent
[12:26] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: so there's nothing more I need to do with regards to connecting the Ublox to the ATMEGA and the ICSP header to the ATMEGA?
[12:27] <mattbrejza> i would use a smaller crystal for the mega though
[12:27] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I couldn't tell which crystal to use
[12:27] <mattbrejza> also in the version you sent you seem to have accidently deleted one of its wires
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> just changed that now :
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[12:28] <mattbrejza> the ublox needs decoupling too
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> thought that. I'll just use some more 100nF caps
[12:29] <mattbrejza> maybe a 100n and 1u?
[12:29] <ibanezmatt13> how do you mean?
[12:29] <mattbrejza> genereally a good idea to have mostly 100n and a couple of 1u on the design
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13> which need 1u?
[12:30] <mattbrejza> i would put a 100n and 1u by the gps, and 2 100n and one 1u by the avr
[12:30] <mattbrejza> but tbh they come in the same package so dont worry too much now
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> are they to be connected to different pins?
[12:31] <mattbrejza> also whatever you put down, its gonna work providing you put something
[12:31] <mattbrejza> na put them in parallel like you did for the avr ones
[12:31] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks mattbrejza
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> I gotta go now but thanks for the help. I'll send you the final schematic when I'm done :)
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[12:32] <mattbrejza> np bye
[12:32] <cyclops> con you see the page http://dealtosvuelos.com ?
[12:33] <craag> cyclops: yep :)
[12:33] <cyclops> :D my project page
[12:33] <cyclops> I think ill install wordpress dunno
[12:35] <HixWork> it's nice and easy cyclops
[12:35] <HixWork> cheers LeoBodnar
[12:36] <cyclops> HixWork: Registered in the wiki, ill start translating !
[12:36] <HixWork> cool good work :D
[12:36] <cyclops> may I use the English version images?
[12:37] <HixWork> I assume its fine
[12:40] <cyclops> Hum cant find the Create page button
[12:41] <cyclops> maybe i dont have enough permission yet
[12:41] <cyclops> Who is responsible for the wiki?
[12:42] <HixWork> I think UpuWork has approval right atm
[12:42] <HixWork> *rights
[12:42] <cyclops> ping UpuWork
[12:42] <HixWork> just did :)
[12:43] <cyclops> lets wait then
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[12:45] <cyclops> meanwhile ill install wordpress
[12:45] <HixWork> LeoBodnar, how old is the wheel? some of the mech stuff looks a bit antiquated
[12:46] <HixWork> loving the bodge on http://leobodnar.com/files/RB/Pages/30.htmltoo LeoBodnar :D
[12:47] <LeoBodnar> I think it is from 2004 season or 2005
[12:47] <HixWork> that'd explain it
[12:47] <HixWork> retro :D
[12:48] <LeoBodnar> Yeah. The problem is the whole car won't work without the wheel :)
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[12:49] <LeoBodnar> Lovely plasma screen. sub-msec response at -40C
[12:49] <HixWork> hence the FIA being strict on drivers replacing it when they get out
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[12:49] <HixWork> oh the display is plasma? whoa!! is that what the Epson IC is driving
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> Just pay some backhander to Ernie and do what you want.
[12:50] <HixWork> heh
[12:50] <LeoBodnar> Bernie
[12:50] <HixWork> or uncle Flav
[12:50] <HixWork> i prefer Ernie :)
[12:50] <HixWork> hey Bert!
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[12:51] <LeoBodnar> Yes, £400 screen. It got busted
[12:51] <HixWork> someone hit it?
[12:51] <LeoBodnar> haha. M'na-m'na
[12:51] <LeoBodnar> No died of natural causes.
[12:52] <HixWork> Someone managed to rip the steering wheel bracket off an MP4-12C - pretty good going as its a ~3kg Magnesium casting
[12:52] <HixWork> bo boo ba do doo
[12:52] <LeoBodnar> It has some kV voltages in it so no wonder
[12:52] <HixWork> wow
[12:53] <HixWork> but why in a wheel? why not AMOLED or TFT or even good old LCD
[12:53] <LeoBodnar> Maybe it leaked some plasma out :)
[12:53] <LeoBodnar> No idea but they are not used anymore
[12:55] <LeoBodnar> Oh, yeah plasma display was glued in to the CF shell so needed a bit of prying and elbow grease to get out. Almost hot-glued in.
[12:55] <cyclops> Oh one question, how do I choose the freq to emit? I mean which is better?
[12:56] <HixWork> probably 9323 they pretty much stick everything elese together with it. Normally heat it to ~80 and you can debond pretty easily
[12:56] <LeoBodnar> I also couldn't get one with antireflective coating on a short notice
[12:56] <HixWork> hairspray ;p
[12:57] <LeoBodnar> Antireflective coating was actually on a separate glass sheet bonded to the main screen, so had to bodge in a shim to compensate for thickness difference.
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[13:04] <Willdude123> Merhaba
[13:05] <HixWork> LeoBodnar, have you heard of Yazaki?
[13:05] <HixWork> I'mm off there in just over a week
[13:05] <Willdude123> nas1ls1n?
[13:07] <HixWork> ironically to work on driver display units and electronic modules, from a mech perspective
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[13:07] <Willdude123> Hi again
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[13:08] <HixWork> Willdude123, you've had more connections than the old-boys network :)
[13:09] <cyclops> lucnh time!
[13:09] <Willdude123> Ping Upu
[13:09] <Willdude123> Old-Boys network?
[13:09] <UpuWork> sup Willdude123 ?
[13:10] <cyclops> Ah UpuWork
[13:10] <HixWork> Willdude123, http://goo.gl/iRNfVa
[13:10] <cyclops> Can you give me permissions to translate the tracking page into spanish?
[13:10] <Willdude123> Just wondering if you have any idea what could be interfering with the ublox
[13:10] <cyclops> this one http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[13:11] <cyclops> lunch brb
[13:11] <UpuWork> please do cyclops
[13:11] <cyclops> dont have permissions
[13:11] <Willdude123> What frequency does it and rx on, will see if I can hear anything with my radio
[13:11] <Willdude123> When I get back, of course
[13:12] <HixWork> 1575.42 MHz
[13:12] <mattbrejza> gps is 1575.42 mhz
[13:12] <mattbrejza> but ive tried to hear interfence and not heard, you might need a dongle with 1MHz of BW or so
[13:13] <Willdude123> Hmm
[13:13] <Willdude123> What other devices operate on this band?
[13:13] <mattbrejza> nothing legit
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[13:16] <Willdude123> UpuWork, Are you going to send the UBX back at some point? How much is delivery from where you are?
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[13:17] <fsphil> quite a bit probably, ponies are not cheap to feed
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[13:18] <Willdude123> Did he say anything, got disconnected.
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[13:19] <fsphil> nope
[13:19] <UpuWork> I'll send it back when you decide what your doing :)
[13:19] <fsphil> phew, glad I got that in before he did
[13:19] <HixWork> aren't whippets quicker than ponies fsphil?
[13:20] <fsphil> less cargo capacity
[13:20] <HixWork> thats why i ruled out pigeons
[13:20] <HixWork> but a whippet could deliver a MAX-6
[13:20] <fsphil> pigeons are great for carrying SD cards
[13:20] <fsphil> good bandwidth
[13:20] <Willdude123> UpuWork what do you mean?
[13:20] <HixWork> uSD better
[13:20] <UpuWork> are you using 3V or 5V
[13:20] <UpuWork> Pi
[13:20] <UpuWork> Arduino
[13:20] <UpuWork> whatever that thing is you are using atm ?
[13:21] <fsphil> only problem is the risk of a hawk-in-the-middle attack
[13:21] <Willdude123> I'm using a BeagleBone Black 3v3.
[13:21] <Willdude123> I decided on that a while back.
[13:21] <UpuWork> Beaglebone
[13:21] <UpuWork> and you're sticking with i t?
[13:21] <Willdude123> Yesh.
[13:21] <HixWork> whippets are resistant to hawk attack, though cows are a problem
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[13:22] <Willdude123> Yes I am.
[13:22] <Willdude123> I had this convo with eroomde
[13:22] <UpuWork> 3.3v ?
[13:22] <Willdude123> Yes, that's what I meant
[13:23] <fsphil> why is 3.3v so common? why not 3v?
[13:23] <Willdude123> Yeah and Beaglebone Black not Beaglebone.
[13:23] <Willdude123> I decided on this a while back.
[13:23] <UpuWork> something to do with gate voltages
[13:24] <Willdude123> I switched to Beaglebone Black for realz
[13:24] <HixWork> why not 3.7 as lipo are 3.7/cell
[13:24] <Willdude123> And I will stick with it, for realz, and have stuck to it.
[13:24] <x-f> why 2AA is not 1 LiPo?
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[13:25] <Willdude123> I'd already decided UpuWork
[13:27] <Willdude123> Anyway going back to the room, will probz be disconnected.
[13:27] <HixWork> cyclops any joy?
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[13:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Question for the tracker designers: Is there any restriction on the proximity of an RFM22 to a uBlox GPS? Do either need to be screened?
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[13:34] <gonzo_> the ublox is already in ascreened box
[13:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> I thought that gonzo_ but it pays to be careful
[13:36] <HixWork> I've always been advised to keep MAX-6 as far away from NTX2 as possible
[13:36] <HixWork> so assume RFM22-B too
[13:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, OK Adrian
[13:36] <gonzo_> I recon the TX antenna is the main point of radiation (with any reasonably designed board)
[13:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was just playing with a couple of layouts earlier
[13:37] <gonzo_> so keeping the gps rx ant as far away is more important
[13:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Chris Stubb's design is clever, they're both on opposite sides of the PCB using the GP as screening
[13:39] <HixWork> GP?
[13:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ground Plane
[13:40] <HixWork> ahh
[13:40] <HixWork> slow me
[13:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey, it's Friday, no worries :-)
[13:41] <HixWork> friday draaaaags
[13:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I used to find that. I'm a lucky guy, I get to work from home. No gloat intended, I do feel for you.
[13:42] <Willdude123> UpuWork so can you post it plz? :-)
[13:42] <HixWork> it's my holy grail - wrong line of work though
[13:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's not all roses but better than where I was beofore
[13:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> before even...
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[13:48] <HixWork> I've done a tiny bit of work from home - i'm far more productive.
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[13:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, familiar environment, everything where you put it and no one messing with it etc. Lots of advantages.
[13:50] <HixWork> work in bed. WIN
[13:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Even I can't do that :D
[13:51] <HixWork> ditto pants, garden, beer-garden
[13:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> Do you work weekends Adrian?
[13:52] <HixWork> not any more - used to
[13:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh that's good. At least you just have to survive this afternoon before a break
[13:54] <Willdude123> Hello
[13:54] <HixWork> Yup - long live le weekend
[13:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, sorry to leave you but I have some stuff to take care of. Be back later though
[13:54] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[13:54] <HixWork> bye
[13:54] <G0TDJ_AFK> Seeya!
[13:55] Action: G0TDJ_AFK waves
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[14:07] <Laurenceb> http://sysadminday.com/
[14:09] <x-f> we celebrated it earlier here, having an icecream and sharing stories
[14:09] <HixWork> everyone has left the office. fun
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[14:14] <ibanezmatt13> mattbrejza: not sure if this is what you meant about the cap values: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6hx0iuaabgo1o3/sofar.png
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[14:16] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6hx0iuaabgo1o3/sofar.png is that looking ok? Anything I've not included?
[14:16] <ibanezmatt13> I've been checking connections too. Everything's connected, nothing is on its own
[14:16] <Willdude123> Hi ibanezmatt13
[14:16] <ibanezmatt13> Hi Will :)
[14:17] <UpuWork> send me the eagle files ibanezmatt13 will check tonight
[14:17] <ibanezmatt13> Sure
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[14:18] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frxtqzobofk73wa/HAB.sch I'll give you the link again later if you need
[14:18] <UpuWork> best :)
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13> Just a quick one UpuWork, the bus_sma you have in your library, it has two points to connect to. Am I right in thinking one is GND, the other if RF_IN?
[14:19] <ibanezmatt13> is*
[14:20] <UpuWork> No sure will check later
[14:20] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, the centre is RF the two outers are GND
[14:20] <Willdude123> Hi UpuWork
[14:20] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: On the board diagram it looks like that, but on the schematic it looks different. https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6hx0iuaabgo1o3/sofar.png Bottom-left
[14:21] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13, that habduino?
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13> it's me messing around :)
[14:21] <ibanezmatt13> similar sort of thing though
[14:22] <HixWork> http://i.imgur.com/r6U2K0x.png
[14:22] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, ^
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> Ah I see HixWork
[14:23] <UpuWork> use the end launch SMA instead
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> Is that in your linrary UpuWork
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> library
[14:23] <UpuWork> Sparkfun I think
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks
[14:23] <UpuWork> easier to solder antennas too
[14:23] <ibanezmatt13> I was looking for that :)
[14:23] <Willdude123> UpuWork, what is the license for the habduino?
[14:24] <HixWork> SparkFun-Connectors > SMA_EDGE
[14:24] <UpuWork> GPL Willdude123
[14:24] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: Any particular package for the connector?
[14:24] <Willdude123> Does that mean I could theoretically build my own?
[14:24] <UpuWork> just SMA End launch
[14:24] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, ^^^
[14:25] <UpuWork> Willdude123 absolutely
[14:25] <ibanezmatt13> thanks HixWork
[14:26] <Willdude123> UpuWork, now you're sure what platform I am using for the tracker, can you post the Ubx at some point and I will pay you for the postage?
[14:27] <UpuWork> Willdude123 its not the right one
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[14:27] <UpuWork> you need a 3.3v
[14:27] <UpuWork> I'll have a think about it
[14:27] <UpuWork> afk work
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[14:27] <Willdude123> What do you mean?
[14:30] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n5bb3973go1144/new.png
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[14:30] <cyclops> hi!
[14:31] <HixWork> cool ibanezmatt13 what does the board look like?
[14:31] <HixWork> and are you using IRC on web interface?
[14:31] <ibanezmatt13> shocking, not changed it yet.
[14:31] <ibanezmatt13> And yes
[14:31] <HixWork> X-Chat2 is free wor win
[14:31] <ibanezmatt13> I usually use xchat but I'm on anotherPC
[14:31] <HixWork> *for
[14:32] <HixWork> ah
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Was that correct what I sent you?
[14:32] <HixWork> i meant how does the connector look on the brd
[14:32] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, I'll have a look
[14:32] <HixWork> dunno hence wanterd to see the brd
[14:32] <HixWork> good typing skills
[14:33] <cyclops> UpuWork: can you give me the permissions to be able to write in the wiki?
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[14:33] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: The connector doesn't look like a connector. It's just three pads
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[14:34] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kvr7e2tiqb4l7ty/HAB.brd
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[14:34] <Willdude123> Sorry UpuWork it cut out.
[14:34] <Willdude123> What were you saying?
[14:36] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, screengrabs are easier at work
[14:36] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, one sec
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[14:37] <UpuWork> yes cyclops
[14:37] <UpuWork> 1 se
[14:37] <UpuWork> c
[14:37] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1wlpoe0nkm3podg/grab.png
[14:37] <cyclops> Ok thanks
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[14:37] <ibanezmatt13> I'm gonna get a smaller crystal too
[14:37] <UpuWork> done
[14:38] <Willdude123> UpuWork it did work with the jumper wires soldered to the 5v board
[14:38] <Willdude123> But was tempremental.
[14:39] <Willdude123> *temperamental
[14:39] <HixWork> few points ibanezmatt13 I've been advised that 90deg is bad for traces. the blur track to the SMA has no VIA. the track to the right of the 328 is blocking all the pads as is the trace tothe right of the ublox
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: I've not looked at the board view yet :/ I just went in to board view and hit printscreen
[14:40] <cyclops> perfect UpuWork, thanks!
[14:40] <HixWork> have you autorouted it then
[14:40] <ibanezmatt13> yeah
[14:40] <HixWork> ahhh
[14:41] <HixWork> ahh, nothing is connected to RF_IN on SMA
[14:41] <ibanezmatt13> only because I'm not too sure on what vias are and things like that to be able to put them in. I thought I'd sort the schematic first.
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[14:42] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: It looks like it's connected on the schematic... hmm
[14:44] <Willdude123> Sorry for the 33 joins and quits today
[14:45] <HixWork> Willdude123, whats with the beaglebone? why not AVR?
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[14:50] <Willdude123> HixWork, I like the fact it has a load of serial ports.
[14:50] <HixWork> but what for? a tracker?
[14:50] <Willdude123> Yesh
[14:50] <HixWork> overcomplex...
[14:50] <Laurenceb> stm32f4 has 8 uarts :P
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[14:51] <Laurenceb> thats got rid of him
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[14:52] <Willdude123> How so hixwork?
[14:53] <HixWork> 512MB DDR3 RAM
[14:53] <HixWork> 2GB 8-bit eMMC on-board flash storage
[14:53] <HixWork> 3D graphics accelerator
[14:53] <HixWork> what the hell do you need all that for? heat the batteries?
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[14:56] <HixWork> ATxmega128A3U - Seven USARTs but still OYY
[14:56] <HixWork> OTT
[14:56] <HixWork> oops
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[14:57] <chrisstubbs> I must have ordered those balloons at about 10 last night and they are here already
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[14:57] <HixWork> fairies?
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[14:58] <Willdude223> Disconnected again :-(
[14:58] <Willdude223> HixWork it's also quite nice to be able to understand what your code is doing.
[14:59] <HixWork> it just seems very OTT even more so than a Pi
[15:00] <Willdude223> Hmm
[15:01] <Willdude223> Well, I've almost finished the tracker so.
[15:01] <Willdude223> Well, the basicnpart
[15:01] <Willdude223> Hmm
[15:01] <Willdude223> HixWork it does admittedly get very hot.
[15:02] <Willdude223> There's plenty of cold air up there for air conditioning :-)
[15:02] <gonzo_> not if you go higher, there is NO air for any cooling
[15:03] <Willdude223> But by that time the balloon will burst, surely.
[15:03] <HixWork> nope
[15:04] <HixWork> I would steer clear of it. There a reason peeps use 328s
[15:04] <Willdude223> OK.
[15:04] <Willdude223> What about the pi though?
[15:04] <HixWork> ditto
[15:05] <Willdude223> People use that too
[15:05] <HixWork> daveake is the man to advise on that tbh
[15:05] <fsphil> for video and imaging
[15:05] <fsphil> and also because it's really cheap
[15:05] <gonzo_> thermal management becomes a serious issue in near vacuum
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[15:06] <Willdude223> h,m
[15:06] <gonzo_> in out and shake it all about
[15:06] <Willdude223> hmm
[15:07] <fsphil> I had more reliable internet in an airplane over the indian ocean
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[15:08] <Willdude423> That's a point I could do ssdv at some point.
[15:08] <Willdude423> I'll probably never fly this
[15:10] <Willdude423> There is reliable internet here.
[15:10] <Willdude423> Just for 10 euros a day
[15:10] <HixWork> you're just not on it
[15:10] <Willdude423> Huh?
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[15:11] <Willdude423> Hello
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[15:11] <HixWork> point proven
[15:11] <Willdude423> Oh
[15:12] <Willdude423> What do you mean I'm not on it?
[15:12] <HixWork> evidently
[15:12] <Willdude423> It just keeps disconnecting.
[15:12] <Willdude423> And reconnecting.
[15:12] <fsphil> hadn't noticed
[15:12] <HixWork> heh
[15:12] <Willdude423> Oh good then
[15:13] <fsphil> sarcasm
[15:13] <Willdude423> Anyway
[15:13] <HixWork> wait for it......
[15:14] <Willdude423> For what?
[15:14] <HixWork> "Willdude423 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)"
[15:14] <HixWork> todays theme
[15:14] <Willdude423> Not my fault
[15:15] <HixWork> Willdude has been brought to you by the worlds most reliable ISP
[15:15] <HixWork> heh
[15:15] <Willdude423> HixWork If people can use the pi, why can't I use this?
[15:15] <fsphil> there used to be someone here who constantly got disconnected/reconnected
[15:15] <mfa298> me applies /ignore Willdude*!*@* JOINS PARTS QUITS
[15:15] <fsphil> can't remember the nick now
[15:15] <HixWork> you can - I just don't think it's the best route you could take to begin with
[15:16] <Willdude423> Ok
[15:16] <Willdude423> ibanezmatt13 started with a pi :-)
[15:16] <HixWork> sure others will be able to advise on a more knowledgable level
[15:16] Action: mfa298 won't notice Willdude leaving and joining (but will still see what he says)
[15:16] <HixWork> :D
[15:16] <fsphil> technically matt is still starting :)
[15:16] <Willdude423> mfa298 good
[15:17] <HixWork> ibanezmatt is now designing a 328 board as we speak
[15:17] <HixWork> [technically he's just jumped in a pool so thats a lie]
[15:17] <Willdude423> Well, I'll do this then maybe design a PCB tracker
[15:17] <Willdude423> I know
[15:18] <HixWork> or get an Uno
[15:18] <mfa298> Pi/BeagleBone are potentially useful as a small linux PC to learn coding on but unless you need that CPU power in a flight they're probably not worth it.
[15:18] <Willdude423> I could make something similar to the habduino
[15:18] <HixWork> or a 328 and some veroboard
[15:18] <HixWork> DIP
[15:18] <mfa298> also note that matt's looking at using a ModelA Pi and changing over it's power to make it more suitable.
[15:18] <fsphil> my first three flights used stripboard
[15:18] <fsphil> actually first four
[15:18] <cyclops> Looking good so far: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:spanish?
[15:18] <Willdude423> Hmm
[15:19] <Willdude423> I doubt I'll ever do a flight
[15:19] <HixWork> So Python gurus - I've been looking at learning Octave - can python do sucvh magic too? I've looked at matplotlib and a few otjher things
[15:19] <HixWork> just wondering would i be better learning Python [the hard way]
[15:19] <fsphil> I see some words I recognise cyclops
[15:19] <Willdude423> Well I'm not allowed to
[15:20] <HixWork> as it can be used for a lot more besides
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[15:20] <HixWork> boom there it goes
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[15:20] <fsphil> how many clients are you running will?
[15:20] <cyclops> thats ok fsphil :P
[15:20] <HixWork> where fsphil
[15:20] <Willdude523> Onr
[15:20] <Willdude523> *one
[15:21] <fsphil> cyclops: sadly my language skills are limited to english, and to call them skills is pushing it
[15:21] <HixWork> not by the look of it willdude * Willdude523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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[15:21] <mfa298> HixWork: if you wanted a powerful scripting language then python is probably the way to go (rather than perl/php)
[15:21] <cyclops> fsphil: its a trasnlation of the english version, have a look at booth and learn some new words
[15:21] <HixWork> I'm interested in learning something like Matlab but not paying for matlab
[15:21] <Willdude523> Yeah I'm running one
[15:21] <fsphil> python is good. I'm still fond of PHP, despite the hate it gets
[15:22] <HixWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide:spanish
[15:22] <HixWork> got it - good work cyclops
[15:22] <mfa298> I'll probably stick to perl/php for now. PHP is fine when you know how to use it safely.
[15:23] <cyclops> Currently WIP I think that in a couple of hours will be ready
[15:23] <fsphil> woo, got £0.01 interest on my account. thanks bank!
[15:23] <mfa298> I never really got into php for shell scripting. I've always used perl for that.
[15:23] <Willdude523> fsphil what rate?
[15:24] <fsphil> what's the lowest it can be?
[15:24] <fsphil> probably around that
[15:24] <Willdude523> How much money was it on?
[15:24] <HixWork> hmm
[15:24] <Willdude523> And for what period?
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[15:25] <fsphil> weee
[15:25] Action: mfa298 seems to recall talk of negative interest rates a while ago - not sure if that's ever actually been done though.
[15:25] <HixWork> fsphil, can i have the long number printed on the front of thje card please
[15:25] <fsphil> was thinking that HixWork lol
[15:25] <HixWork> followed by the expiry and the securtiy number onthe back
[15:25] <HixWork> and your postcode please
[15:25] <fsphil> I only let my Nigerian uncle know that kind of thing. he's in the army, a general I think
[15:25] <HixWork> I can arrange for the transfer by western union shortly
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[15:26] <Willdude123> Hello
[15:26] <HixWork> how doe $2345667560569030000 sound fsphil, can we make a succesful arrangement
[15:27] <fsphil> I'll need to ask my uncle in nigeria first
[15:27] <mfa298> If he's only got £0.01 interest on it I'm not sure I'd bother with that account number.
[15:27] <fsphil> he's very good at saving my money
[15:27] <fsphil> lol
[15:28] <HixWork> I am transferring money in mfa298 do you not trust my internets dealingings
[15:29] <HixWork> fsphil, did you know St Patrick is the patron saint of Nigeria
[15:29] <HixWork> and that it is the only place where Guinness is brewed outside of Eire
[15:29] Action: HixWork is convinced there is a connection there
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[15:30] <fsphil> speaking of connections
[15:30] <HixWork> ha ha ha
[15:30] <Willdude123> Hello
[15:36] <cyclops> lol HixWork the spanish guide is le only one with more info that only dl-fldigi config
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[15:36] <Gadget-Mac> ooh more Loon coverage http://makezine.com/2013/07/26/maker-camp-up-and-away/
[15:40] <HixWork> mfa298 what is the term i need to enter to ignore
[15:41] <fsphil> my client doesn't have /ignore
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[15:42] <daveake> Top Tip for those using Energizer Lithium AAAs ... Waitrose (surprisingly) 2 packs of 4 for £5
[15:42] <HixWork> wow
[15:42] <fsphil> that's the best price I've seen
[15:43] <HixWork> LeoBodnar, ^^^
[15:43] <fsphil> oh AAA
[15:43] <daveake> Don't bother with the Newbury store
[15:43] <daveake> I cleared them out :p
[15:43] <HixWork> ha
[15:43] <mfa298> the /ignore might be an irssi thing
[15:43] <daveake> AAA normally sell for £4+ per pack, same as the AAs
[15:43] <HixWork> PoshHAB
[15:43] <daveake> lol
[15:43] <HixWork> $$$Darling
[15:45] <daveake> It's the closest supermarket from here, in case you think I'm a $$$SNOB
[15:45] <HixWork> do they also do a basics range of caviar
[15:45] <daveake> lol no idea
[15:45] <UpuWork> http://balloonnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/payload-raiders/
[15:45] <UpuWork> ouch
[15:45] <UpuWork> hang on
[15:45] <UpuWork> dno't click it
[15:45] <UpuWork> http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=58212
[15:45] <UpuWork> click that
[15:48] <HixWork> My uncle lives in a house that backs onto the Locks in Hillmorton, and a schoolfriend's parents live in the old Lockkeepers cottage there. I'll ask them to keep an eye or ear out
[15:49] <HixWork> heh http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php?s=c7f82f986f1d02beda175f3c49ddb2f9&showtopic=58212#entry1103459
[15:50] <HixWork> thinking about it. If the radio masts were still there that could have been on hellishly expensive recovery 822ft masts used to be there
[15:51] <HixWork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_VLF_transmitter
[15:51] <HixWork> never knew they used FSK for sub comms
[15:51] <cyclops> guys
[15:51] <cyclops> The tracking guide has been successfully translated into spanish
[15:52] <cyclops> I hope it helps
[15:52] <HixWork> good work cyclops
[15:52] <HixWork> I for one appreciate the work
[15:52] <HixWork> if only for a wee bit of spanish learning
[15:52] <cyclops> Its a way to pay all off you for the help you gave me
[15:52] <HixWork> :)
[15:53] <fsphil> excellent cyclops
[15:53] <HixWork> it's also a good way to reduce the risk of losing your camera payload
[15:53] <cyclops> Yes
[15:53] <HixWork> win win
[15:53] <cyclops> that way i can convince more spaniards to follow the payload
[15:54] <cyclops> I have a few interested in following it
[15:54] <HixWork> and to track EuroFloaters too hopefully.
[15:54] <HixWork> The distributed network that just keeps growing
[15:55] <HixWork> speaking of which. has anyone seen this lightning tracking network? http://goo.gl/LOMqCH
[15:56] <UpuWork> yeah chatting with them about getting a board
[15:56] <HixWork> oh cool - I was thinking the same thing - for lighting photography
[15:56] <UpuWork> ~180 euro
[15:57] <HixWork> I was up at 04:30 the other morning - though stupidly went out in shorts and tee - into a torrential storm
[15:57] <HixWork> stupid eejit
[15:57] <HixWork> is it not open source then UpuWork
[15:57] <Gadget-Mac> HixWork, UpuWork yeah. Shame there's not a opensource
[15:57] <cyclops> UpuWork: so you ship next week right?
[15:57] <UpuWork> possibly
[15:58] <UpuWork> waiting on GPS antennas and packaging to turn up
[15:58] <UpuWork> anyway afk
[15:58] <Gadget-Mac> HixWork: Thanks for the pointer, looks like new hardware
[15:58] <HixWork> ?
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[15:58] <Gadget-Mac> The older hardware they used didn't look like that
[15:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[15:59] <HixWork> oh - only discovered it recently - do you have the old one?
[15:59] <HixWork> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[16:00] <Gadget-Mac> HixWork: No it's been on the list of things to do for a while.
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[16:01] <Gadget-Mac> I'd prefer an Opensource community tbh.
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[16:02] <HixWork> schematics [small are here: http://www.blitzortung.org/Documents/TOA_Blitzortung_RED.pdf?t=1374854059
[16:02] <HixWork> maybe they would alow you to make your own - they say its a non-profit
[16:03] <Gadget-Mac> It's the software thats key.
[16:03] <Gadget-Mac> Any quite rightly they want to protect they're investment of time so far
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[16:04] <HixWork> I'd assume they would be happy for a larger network
[16:05] <Gadget-Mac> 180euro is alot.
[16:05] <HixWork> it is a bit really
[16:05] <HixWork> Hurrah - time to go time. Byee
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[16:07] <Willdude123> Hello
[16:09] <Willdude123> Ping Upu
[16:09] <Willdude123> I was thinking about the BBB.
[16:09] <Willdude123> It might not be the best option for a flyable tracker.
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[16:15] <Willdude123> hi again
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[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:34] <iain_g4sgx> My max6 is now getting good lock now I've put it outside but if I divide the long and lat by 100, which looks right, puts me several miles astray according to google maps. Any idea why?
[16:35] <daveake> yes
[16:35] <mfa298> iain_g4sgx: nema gives you minutes so it't not as similar as /100
[16:35] <daveake> ^^
[16:35] <mfa298> s/similar/simple/
[16:35] <cyclops> Afk
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[16:36] <iain_g4sgx> Ah right of course
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[16:50] <iain_g4sgx> Brilliant, its spot on. Now to start sending and receiving UBX via serial.
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[17:13] <iain_g4sgx> Did I remember right that cheapo was flying again tonight?
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> iain_g4sgx, afraid not :(
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[17:29] <Upu> ping craag http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/26/spears_snaps/ if you've not see it
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[17:38] <chrisstubbs> CHDK is driving me up the wall, it only seems to create logfiles when it feels like it
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[17:56] <iain_g4sgx> Well that's cool, wouldn't get lock inside but left it outside for an hour and now it's locked quite happily inside on the bench. 15 data
[17:57] <iain_g4sgx> *sats
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[18:10] <AF5LI_QRL> good afternoon
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[18:12] <x-f> good evening
[18:12] <x-f> what does QRL stand for, please?
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[18:14] <Upu> "I am busy"
[18:14] <Upu> afternoon AF5LI_QRL
[18:14] <AF5LI_QRL> qrl is standing for my computer at work
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[18:17] Action: x-f nods.
[18:17] <[1]iain_g4sgx> QRL is also 'Is this fequency in use'
[18:18] <[1]iain_g4sgx> standard to call QRL if about to call in \cw
[18:19] Nick change: [1]iain_g4sgx -> G4SGX_Iain
[18:20] <KT5TK_QRL> Q codes can be always used as statement or as a question. QRL officially means "I'm busy" or "Are you busy?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code
[18:22] <KT5TK_QRL> In this context we just want to indicate that we shouldn't really be in this chat right now ;)
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> KT5TK_QRL: any idea what happened to AF5LI-11?
[18:23] <AF5LI_QRL> it splahed down into the water
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> Moisture or He2 leak?
[18:23] <KT5TK_QRL> I believe it had a minor leak'
[18:24] <KT5TK_QRL> we've seen a slight descend during the day already
[18:24] <LeoBodnar> Same happened to B-8
[18:25] <KT5TK_QRL> Time to get some good quality UK foil balloons...
[18:25] <AF5LI_QRL> :D
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[18:26] <KT5TK_QRL> However signs on the horizont indicate that a trash bag will be next...
[18:27] <KT5TK_QRL> AF5LI was already training sealing shopping bags yesterday
[18:27] <AF5LI_QRL> KT5TK_QRL look at your skype
[18:27] <KT5TK_QRL> with auminum foil and a solder iron
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> hehe innovation
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[18:29] <AF5LI_QRL> yes i tried yesterday to create an sample.
[18:30] <AF5LI_QRL> when i looked at it at least, it already had a leak.
[18:30] <AF5LI_QRL> *throwheadagainstawall*
[18:32] <AF5LI_QRL> http://www.gipfeltreffen.at/images/smilies/smi_mit%20kopf%20gegen%20die%20wand.gif
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[18:35] <craag> Upu: Oh lol, only picture and I'm head-down vainly trying to get twitter to upload a photo..
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[18:39] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
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[18:41] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o1a2kv46np60553/NORB.sch
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[19:13] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: You got mail :)
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[19:16] <Willdude123> Hello
[19:16] <Willdude123> ping everyone
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[19:17] <craag> not a good idea that
[19:17] <craag> it turns out pinging every ip gets you thrown off the universities isp
[19:18] <craag> :P
[19:18] <Willdude123> Did you actually do that?
[19:18] <craag> nope not me
[19:18] <craag> someone else here
[19:19] <craag> They set off every intrusion-detection system on the network!
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[19:21] <mikestir> lol I did that when I was at uni
[19:21] <mikestir> same thing happened
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[19:22] <Willdude123> Hello
[19:23] <Willdude123> pimg Upu
[19:26] <mfa298> better not give them the pingd script I used to have that tried pinging all addresses in a /16 network (based on when it last had a result)
[19:27] <zyp> why write a script? use nmap -sP
[19:28] <mfa298> the aim was to get arp entries in routers (another script would collect them) so it just pinged addresses that hadn't been seen on the network recently
[19:29] <mfa298> there was another script that checked for open anonymous ftp servers. Which was fun when people had earlier networked printers with ftp open. They used to get a printout saying they had an open ftp server :D
[19:30] <zyp> probably not a huge difference between pinging 65536 addrs and pinging 65536 addrs minus the ones that had been seen recently, I suspect :p
[19:31] <mfa298> although a good one someone found when I was at uni is that you can write a while 1 loop in postscript (not something to run on handin day)
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[19:31] <mikestir> there is a version of conway's life done in postscript that uses that
[19:31] <craag> lol mfa298
[19:31] <mikestir> one generation per page if you are insane enough to send it to an actual printer
[19:32] <craag> I take it you've heard of the fun we've had with mangled print since it turned up in ecs?
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[19:32] <mfa298> I've heard odd bits from chris.
[19:33] <craag> Like if you print B&W from a linux machine, it crashes the billing system, so wait 45 minutes for that stage in the pipeline to time out, go to the printers and print it for free!
[19:34] Action: craag afk
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[19:50] <LeoBodnar> Hi Laurenceb
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[20:00] <Upu> hey Leo
[20:00] <Upu> you have mail
[20:00] <Upu> you were bcc'd :)
[20:03] <Upu> here now Willdude123
[20:03] <Willdude123> hi
[20:04] <Upu> you pung
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[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[20:04] <Willdude123> So can you send me a ubx 3.3v one please?
[20:04] <Gadget-Mac> craag:
[20:04] <Willdude123> :-)
[20:04] <Upu> I'll see what I can sort out
[20:04] <Upu> hey Matt
[20:04] <ibanezmatt13> Hi Upu, got your email
[20:04] <Gadget-Mac> craag , mikestir we're very protective of JANET ;)
[20:04] <Upu> you two need to go look up what holiday days in the dictionary
[20:05] <Willdude123> Yesh
[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[20:05] <Willdude123> I am on holiday
[20:05] <Upu> yesh ? too many samubkas ?
[20:05] <ibanezmatt13> lol
[20:05] <Upu> Sambuca even
[20:05] <Willdude123> I am readin l'entranger
[20:06] <Upu> go you
[20:06] <Willdude123> With a diet coke on the table,
[20:06] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: So I can't use the AVR with the current NTX2 setup?
[20:06] <Willdude123> Just merely taking a break from this depressing novel because it's makimg me very pemsive
[20:07] <Willdude123> Ah I see.
[20:07] <Upu> no ibanezmatt13
[20:07] <Upu> driving the NTX2 from the serial was a total cludge
[20:07] <ibanezmatt13> I see what you mean with using PWM, that sounds like a good option
[20:07] <Upu> because the Pi with its multitasking O/S couldn't get the timing right
[20:07] <Upu> so Dave used the UART (i.e serial ports) as those have hardware timing
[20:08] <ibanezmatt13> I see. Yeah, PWM sounds like the way to go
[20:08] <Upu> however you can do the circuit for a resistive divider
[20:08] <Upu> and just use a 0 ohm resistor to bridge and use PWM
[20:08] <fsphil> driving the ntx2 from the uart is a good thing, using the one uart for ntx2 and gps is a cludge
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[20:08] <Upu> yes that
[20:08] <mfa298> just to confuse things though. If you've got a spare uart and it can do the speed you want uart it easier (but most avr's only have one uart so use it for gps)
[20:09] <Upu> this is why min speed of TX on an Pi is 300 baud
[20:09] <Upu> thats as low as the UART goes*
[20:09] <Upu> *I think
[20:09] <fsphil> I've done 50 :)
[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> What baud could I get away with using an AVR?
[20:09] <Upu> anything
[20:09] <ibanezmatt13> wow
[20:09] <mfa298> and I think the avr uart will struggle to go to 50 (you might do it with a slower clock)
[20:09] <Upu> 50-1200 if you are bored
[20:09] <Upu> no you would drive the radio from a GPIO pin
[20:09] <fsphil> or 1 baud if you really want to
[20:10] <fsphil> I've done 2400 too but that's just silly
[20:10] <Upu> either digitally going on / off (with resistive divider circuit)
[20:10] <Upu> or via PWM
[20:10] <ibanezmatt13> so with an 8mhz crystal at 3.3v, Would 1200 be ok or is that silly? :)
[20:10] <fsphil> if you're only sending text, 1200 is silly
[20:10] <Upu> it will work but don't expect many remote receivers to rx you
[20:10] <Upu> 50 baud is best baud
[20:10] <fsphil> why no love for 100? :)
[20:11] <Willdude123> not best for internet
[20:11] <Upu> DominoEX or bust
[20:11] <Upu> 50 baud is fine
[20:11] <Willdude123> What is dominoex?
[20:11] <Upu> its a different mode of transmission
[20:11] <Upu> RTTY uses 2 tones
[20:11] <Upu> DominoEX uses 18
[20:11] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: Using PWM, is it simply a case of connecting a PWM pin to the TX on the NTX2?
[20:12] <Willdude123> Upu, are you not answerimng my questions because you think I should have a holiday?
[20:12] <Willdude123> That is actually a really good idea.
[20:12] <Upu> I think you're lagged Willdude123 I am answering your questions
[20:12] <Willdude123> Thanks
[20:12] <fsphil> 50 baud internet
[20:12] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7k_nWZAYo0
[20:12] <Willdude123> No I mean the postage
[20:12] <Willdude123> And the ubx.
[20:12] <Upu> because I have thought about it yet
[20:12] <Upu> ibanezmatt13 yes
[20:13] <Upu> I think it works
[20:13] <Upu> but if you're getting a PCB made you may as well put pads on for the other option too
[20:13] <fsphil> you can use some resistors to drop the pwm frequency range down
[20:13] <Upu> so you can choose
[20:13] <fsphil> which will also increase the resolution
[20:13] <Willdude123> Ok
[20:13] <Willdude123> What are you thinking about it?
[20:13] <Willdude123> :-)
[20:14] <Upu> Will
[20:14] <Upu> its Friday night
[20:14] <Upu> sssh
[20:14] <Upu> will be dealt with on Monday
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[20:15] <LeoBodnar> Thanks Upu :) what is the link to this tracker? The whole world seem to went mental
[20:15] <Gadget-Mac> Willdude123: out of interest where are you on holiday ?
[20:15] <Upu> it was a private mail LeoBodnar
[20:15] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: I may just use the resistive divider method. I'm not too sure how I would use the PWM to interface with the NTX2
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> K!
[20:15] <Willdude123> Ah Ok
[20:16] <Upu> ok ibanezmatt13
[20:16] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:ntx2_1_47k.png?id=guides%3Alinkingarduinotontx2
[20:16] <Upu> see that
[20:16] <Willdude123> sorry, I've had a few too many diet cokes
[20:16] <Upu> if you don't populate R4 and R5
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> Ta :)
[20:16] <Upu> and stick a 0R0 on R3 or another resistor like fsphil says
[20:16] <ibanezmatt13> Don't populate?
[20:16] <Upu> you can do PWM
[20:16] <Upu> don't put anything on it
[20:17] <Willdude123> Well, actually I'll know I've had a few too many diet cokes when I start ordering normal cokes.
[20:17] <ibanezmatt13> I mean I'm not sure what I would actually do with the PWM.
[20:17] <Upu> well to get rtty
[20:17] <Upu> you're adjusting the voltage up and down
[20:17] <Upu> thats all you are doing with PWM
[20:17] <Upu> just have to do it quick
[20:18] <Upu> as PWM isn't a true DC voltage
[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> Oh so I just pick two 0-255 values for on and off?
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[20:18] <ibanezmatt13> 0 and 255 :)
[20:18] <Upu> basically yes
[20:18] <fsphil> pwm switches a pin off and on really fast, and you can very the percentage of the time it is off and on
[20:18] <Upu> and you can adjust the shift in software
[20:18] <fsphil> if you where to filter it, you'd get a smooth voltage out
[20:19] <fsphil> if the pwm was 100% off you'd get 0v, if it was 100% on you'd get 3.3v (or vcc)
[20:19] <Willdude123> What's the point in the voltage divider, if ypu can just pwm?
[20:19] <fsphil> at 50% on you'd get half the voltage
[20:19] <fsphil> etc.
[20:19] <fsphil> and it just so happens the ntx2 has a filter built in, so you can just give it a pwm signal directly
[20:19] <ibanezmatt13> sounds pretty good fsphil. Pretty handy
[20:20] <ibanezmatt13> So 0 for off and 255 for high would be ok for the NTX2 tx pin?
[20:20] <Upu> no
[20:20] <Upu> somewhere in between
[20:20] <ibanezmatt13> Aah, shift
[20:20] <Upu> 0= 0v
[20:20] <fsphil> well yes -- but the frequency shift would be huge
[20:20] <Upu> 255=3.3v
[20:20] <Upu> well yes
[20:20] <Upu> what fsphil
[20:20] <Upu> said but you want a shift of about 0.25v
[20:20] <Upu> ish
[20:20] <Upu> so work it out
[20:20] <ibanezmatt13> I think I know what I'm doing now. I remember from the wiki
[20:20] <fsphil> you can use the standard resistor divider to limit the shift
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[20:21] <ibanezmatt13> I remember spending ages calculating the voltage shift from that divider...
[20:21] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: That's a good idea fsphil
[20:22] <fsphil> I suppose the ideal range would be 3khz, bandwidth of a typical amateur radio
[20:22] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: I made a spreadsheet for it
[20:22] <fsphil> though you'd probably need a much smaller range to manage dominoex
[20:23] <SpeedEvil> fsphil, you want a little smaller - to cope with drift
[20:23] <ibanezmatt13> Cool Willdude123
[20:23] <fsphil> SpeedEvil: ooor, wider and use the pwm to vary the frequency by temperature
[20:23] <fsphil> to compensate for drift
[20:23] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: Much quicker than doing it over an d over again.
[20:23] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: Just out of curiosity, why are things not connecting when they should be in Eagle?
[20:24] <ibanezmatt13> Willdude123: Certainly is. Might do that myself :)
[20:24] <Upu> network names I suspect
[20:24] <fsphil> though for dominoex it's better just to use a DAC
[20:24] <Upu> type name
[20:24] <Upu> then click the wire
[20:24] <fsphil> 10-bits or more
[20:25] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: I was putting a bit of wire on the pin, creating a label, connecting the label, then naming
[20:26] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: One more thing too... Tonight we're looking to purchase the Yagi we need. Will a 3 element be sufficient or should I go for a 5. Is there any particular place I should get it from?
[20:26] <ibanezmatt13> I was looking at that Arrow II
[20:27] <fsphil> a 5 element yagi on 70cm won't be that big
[20:27] <Upu> the Arrow is a fantastic bit of kit but quite expensive
[20:27] <Upu> if you think you're going to be doing more of this fine
[20:27] <Upu> but there are cheaper options
[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> To be honest. I've pretty much spent up. I could do with something that'll do the job but not too expensive...
[20:28] <ibanezmatt13> I can always upgrade
[20:28] <gonzo_> some bits of ali rod and a bit of wood
[20:28] <Upu> you can just make one
[20:29] <ibanezmatt13> I could but I'm already pushed for time sorting this launch out. Plus, it'd probably start disintegrating while I was holding it
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> Reckon I could get away with not having one? Just for this launch?
[20:30] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[20:30] <Upu> launch yes
[20:30] <Upu> and most times you're fine
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> flight
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[20:30] <Upu> but that one time you aren't close to the payload
[20:30] <Upu> and you don't know where it is
[20:30] <ibanezmatt13> I know...
[20:30] <Upu> last recorded 2km alt
[20:31] <Upu> you're going to wish you had a Yagi
[20:31] Action: ibanezmatt13 sighs
[20:31] <Upu> you could just see if someone will let you one
[20:31] <ibanezmatt13> That would be the best bet, I only need one for the flight
[20:32] <Upu> I'm not lending you my arrow as that would be like giving you my first born
[20:32] <Upu> but I have a slightly battered 10 ele Diamond
[20:32] <ibanezmatt13> Yes, don't
[20:32] <fsphil> I'd lend you my diamond but you'd have to collect it
[20:32] <Upu> which is fine if a little on the large side
[20:32] <Upu> and the reflector is held on with pink gaffer
[20:32] <Upu> but its all good
[20:32] <fsphil> your image would never recover
[20:32] <ibanezmatt13> That would be brilliant Upu. Only for this flight
[20:32] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: bit hard coming to NI :)
[20:33] <fsphil> tell me about it
[20:33] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: I'm sure I could cope with pink gaffa
[20:33] <ibanezmatt13> gaffer*
[20:33] <fsphil> you brave man
[20:33] <Upu> I'll sort it out
[20:33] <ibanezmatt13> Thank you very much Upu. I'll let my Dad know
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[20:33] <Upu> its a bit on the large side for a car but it does fit in
[20:34] <fsphil> just fits in the clio back seats
[20:34] <fsphil> doesn't fit in the boot
[20:34] <Upu> its 1.2 meters long I think
[20:34] <ibanezmatt13> It'll be fine Upu, we'll sort it :)
[20:34] <Upu> you'll have no issues locating with it
[20:34] <Upu> just remember to angle it vertically
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[20:34] <Upu> and not horizontally
[20:34] <fsphil> you'll want a bit of coax with pl259 plugs on eitehr end
[20:34] <fsphil> either*
[20:34] <Upu> I'll have one
[20:34] <Upu> and adaptor
[20:34] <fsphil> well, one end -- and whatever your radio uses on the other
[20:35] <Upu> whats the connection on the radio ibanezmatt13 ? BNC?
[20:35] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah
[20:35] <ibanezmatt13> I'm gonna treat myself to a can of beer outside. Thanks for all the help. See you :)
[20:35] <Upu> enjoy
[20:35] <mikestir> fsphil: those aptina modules just arrived from china. just over a week - not bad
[20:35] <ibanezmatt13> will do, ciao
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[20:36] <fsphil> yea that was quick
[20:36] <G0TDJ_AFK> Upu: Been watching the conversation. Have you ever used a HB9CV for locating?
[20:36] <Upu> nope G0TDJ
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23455128 - hahahhhahhahahahahahahhaha ha
[20:36] <Upu> I had the Diamond 10 element but it was a little unwieldy
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> I just wondered. They're so small.
[20:37] <Upu> but did work
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> @ll do some tests when I get a tracker going
[20:37] <Upu> then I got a 5 element Arrow II and never looked back
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> What radio is Ibanez' using?
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> Oooh I'd love an arrow...
[20:37] <Upu> its a scanner or some sort
[20:37] Action: G0TDJ_AFK drools
[20:37] <Upu> they are amazing
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> Oh OK
[20:37] <G0TDJ_AFK> Is it a colapsable one?
[20:38] <Upu> last launch G3VZV showed me if you took the handle off there is a tripod mount under it
[20:38] <Upu> http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/440-5ii.html
[20:38] <Upu> that one
[20:38] <G0TDJ_AFK> :-) Neat feathre
[20:38] <Upu> really well made
[20:38] <Upu> very portable
[20:38] <G0TDJ_AFK> Expensive?
[20:38] <Upu> perfect for fox hunting etc
[20:38] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[20:38] <Upu> locating paylods
[20:39] <Willdude123> How does dominoex actually work?
[20:39] <Upu> well by the time you've paid import duty etc they are knocking on for £80
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[20:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wanted to play satellites with one Upu
[20:39] <Upu> Yeah Graham had one
[20:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's not bad!
[20:39] <Upu> it was amazing dual 70cms/2 mter
[20:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Where did you get yours from Upu?
[20:39] <fsphil> satellite sare cool
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[20:39] <Upu> http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/146-437.html
[20:39] <Upu> this one
[20:39] <fsphil> grrr keyboard
[20:39] <Upu> ordered it direct from America
[20:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh, I thought they wouldn't export
[20:40] <Willdude123> Does it work like rtty does?
[20:40] <fsphil> only simliarity is that it uses a frequency change to carry data
[20:40] <fsphil> they're both FSK modes
[20:40] <Upu> sure they export
[20:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> I may reconsider then. I'id like the dual bander
[20:41] <Willdude123> How is the data actually carried though?
[20:42] <fsphil> changes in frequency. it has 18 tones, the data is encoded in how far the frequency changes each symbol
[20:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Upu: I have a duplexer already. I combined a 2m HB9' with a 70cms 5ele Yagi on the same boom
[20:42] <fsphil> each character is 1-3 symbols
[20:45] <Willdude123> Is this documented anywhere?
[20:46] <fsphil> google
[20:46] <RocketBoy> http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MFSK/DEX.htm is the 1st hit on google
[20:46] <fsphil> it's a nice mode
[20:47] <fsphil> needs good frequency stability
[20:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Certainly better at low signal levels
[20:47] <fsphil> not so useful for sending images :)
[20:47] <fsphil> not fast enough
[20:47] <fsphil> but great for text
[20:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> There's always a trade-off
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[20:49] <Willdude123> Upu I'm thinkingnthe BBB wom't actually be very good in a payload
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[20:52] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, how do you manage to work out baud rate using audacity
[20:53] <chrisstubbs> the line just looks solid to me
[20:53] <fsphil> went to FFT, zoomed in until I saw the bits
[20:53] <fsphil> then measured the time between 10 bits
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> Cool :D didnt know you could do FFT. lets have a loook
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> evening people
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[20:56] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: not the easiest thing to find. top right of the wave display, there's a little down arrow
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[20:56] <fsphil> it lists Spectrogram
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> er
[20:57] <chrisstubbs> cant find that :P
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[20:58] <fsphil> boo, gnome won't let me screenshot it with the menu up
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> Its not analyse >plot spectrum is it?
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[20:59] <chrisstubbs> thats frequency against db, we want frequency against time
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[20:59] <fsphil> nope
[21:00] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: http://i.imgur.com/kN7zZkz.png -- middle left, the tiny text "MI0VIM Ping"
[21:01] <fsphil> below the dropdown that says "ALSA"
[21:01] <chrisstubbs> Ah ont he track
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[21:01] <chrisstubbs> gotcha
[21:02] <fsphil> the log version is probably a bit clearer
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> 15 baud
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> nice
[21:03] <fsphil> that's slower than last time
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> oh this isnt cheapo just having a mess around :)
[21:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> Just out of interest, is Domino measured in Bd?
[21:05] <Willdude123> hmm
[21:06] <RocketBoy> yes
[21:06] <RocketBoy> a baud is a symbol
[21:06] <Willdude123> I'm not sure if I should stick to the beaglebone, since it's probably mot going to be a good tracker.
[21:06] <RocketBoy> not a bit
[21:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> So DOmino16EX would be 16Bd?
[21:06] <RocketBoy> 15.625 baud to be exact
[21:07] <RocketBoy> 15.625 symbols per second
[21:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, so near as dammit 16 characters per sec?
[21:07] <fsphil> the symbols just happen to carry more than 1 bit
[21:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL sorry, I was looking down
[21:07] <fsphil> it also has a more efficient character set than ascii
[21:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Cool, thanks Steve
[21:07] <RocketBoy> 4 bits per symbol
[21:07] <RocketBoy> but the 4 bits are a varicode
[21:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> For us noobs, whats a varicode?
[21:08] <RocketBoy> so an input character can result in 1 2 or 3 symbols being transmitted
[21:08] <fsphil> it's like ascii has 7 or 8 bits per character all the time
[21:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> So a symbol isn't a character, it's a part of one
[21:08] <fsphil> varicode gives less bits to the most common characters
[21:08] <RocketBoy> the varycose is set up to send the most frequent characters in the least symbols
[21:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ahh! Efficient
[21:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yep, gotcha, Like MOrse
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[21:09] <RocketBoy> yeah the frequency bit - not the coding
[21:09] <fsphil> dominoex also sounds great
[21:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I like its sound
[21:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nicer than RTTY
[21:10] <fsphil> it sounds like it's in a hurry
[21:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Heh
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[21:14] <Willdude123> That said, I'm not gonna get to fly it.
[21:17] Action: RocketBoy notes that DominoEx16 baud rate is 15.625 - 8000Hz (audio sampling frequency) / 512 - i.e 512 samples per symbol
[21:17] <RocketBoy> anything to do with FFTs being powers of 2
[21:17] <RocketBoy> ?
[21:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll try and remember that
[21:18] <fsphil> fldigi actually adjusts its sampling rate depending on the dominoex mode, so that it always has a symbol length a multiple of the sample rate
[21:19] <RocketBoy> what size FFTs does it do?
[21:21] <fsphil> looking at the code I'm not sure
[21:21] <RocketBoy> ta for looking
[21:21] <RocketBoy> must take a look myself
[21:22] <RocketBoy> the thing with the symbol rate = frequency step size is that there will only be one cycle difference between each of the tone cycles
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[21:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks for the info guys, gotta go!
[21:23] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[21:24] <Herman-PB0AHX> good evening all
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[21:30] <mfa298> Willdude123: as you're only learning how to build a payload at the moment (not going to fly it) there shouldn't be a problem sticking with the BBB for now. At least you can use it to learn how to write good software for a payload
[21:31] <Steve_2E0VET> does anyone use the extra USB (UM232R) with the arduino
[21:34] <Steve_2E0VET> its quiet here tonight
[21:34] <Willdude123> 'Yah
[21:34] <Steve_2E0VET> is everyone watch hot fuz
[21:34] <Steve_2E0VET> *watching
[21:35] <Steve_2E0VET> does anyone know if upu opens saturday?
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[21:36] <cyclops> hi!
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> evening cyclops
[21:41] <cyclops> whats up
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> Not LeoBodnar's balloons for a change :P
[21:43] <LeoBodnar_> Lol taking some time off to work on code and hw changes
[21:44] <LeoBodnar_> ping Laurenceb
[21:45] <arko> who ever had the idea to make LeoBodnar_ register when he's not flying had a good idea
[21:46] <LeoBodnar_> Hehe, mailing list announcement
[21:46] <arko> :P
[21:46] <LeoBodnar_> We are closed tonight, sorry!
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[21:58] <Steve_2E0VET> anyone got a ublox and arduino working?
[22:00] <Steve_2E0VET> cannot seem to get flight mode
[22:01] <chrisstubbs> Ok steve
[22:01] <chrisstubbs> Are you getting NMEA from the gps into the arduino okay?
[22:03] <Steve_2E0VET> i am get satalitte info when I go outdoors, but at the moment I am indoors so no satalite info at the moment
[22:03] <Steve_2E0VET> the error is Reading ACK respons: (FAILED)
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> Seen that one too may times before
[22:04] <cyclops> Lets see if I can populate Spain with antennas in spacenear.us :P
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> check your TX of your gps is connected okay
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> and RX for that matter
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[22:05] <Upu> Upu doesn't open Saturday Steve_2E0VET :)
[22:05] <Steve_2E0VET> tried swapping round and same problem. would it matter that i dont have sat lock
[22:05] <Upu> what are you after ?
[22:05] <Upu> swap RX and TX
[22:06] <Steve_2E0VET> tried that
[22:06] <Upu> odd
[22:06] <Upu> ok
[22:06] <Upu> Arduino ?
[22:06] <Steve_2E0VET> yes UNO
[22:06] <Upu> ok
[22:07] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/PDFS/BO-M6ALC%20Instructions.pdf
[22:07] <Upu> follow getting starte
[22:07] <Upu> d
[22:07] <Upu> do you have u-center installed ?
[22:08] <Steve_2E0VET> yes but never used it yet
[22:08] <Upu> ok time to use it
[22:08] <Upu> disconnect the GPS
[22:08] <Upu> and load up :
[22:08] <Upu> void setup() {}
[22:08] <Upu> void loop() {}
[22:08] <Upu> thats it
[22:10] <Steve_2E0VET> ok done
[22:11] <Upu> right connect the GPS
[22:12] <Steve_2E0VET> just checking connections
[22:13] <Steve_2E0VET> ok gett $GPxxx strings but no data because I am inside
[22:13] <Steve_2E0VET> if i go outside i would get data
[22:15] <Upu> ok
[22:15] <Upu> close the serial monitor
[22:15] <Upu> and open u-center
[22:15] <Upu> point it at the com port
[22:15] <Upu> (top left usually)
[22:16] <Steve_2E0VET> ok Done Fixmode No Fix
[22:17] <Upu> do you see blue bars ?
[22:18] <Upu> green bars
[22:18] <Steve_2E0VET> blue
[22:19] <Upu> ok blue is good
[22:19] <Upu> ok
[22:20] <Upu> press cold reset (its the blue thermomenter icon)
[22:20] <Upu> do they disappear ?
[22:20] <Steve_2E0VET> the bars in G6 do and then come back
[22:21] <Upu> ok
[22:21] <Upu> so you have 2 way comms with the GPS
[22:21] <Upu> you issued a cold reset
[22:21] <Upu> it did it
[22:21] <Upu> and then came back
[22:21] <Steve_2E0VET> yes
[22:21] <Upu> so the module is working
[22:22] <Steve_2E0VET> ok
[22:22] <Upu> you can set flight mode if you want
[22:22] <Upu> view -> messages
[22:22] <Upu> expand UBX
[22:22] <Upu> CFG
[22:22] <Upu> NAV5
[22:22] <Upu> amend dynamic model to 6
[22:22] <Upu> and hit send
[22:22] <Upu> then hit poll
[22:22] <Upu> will retrieve the current setting
[22:23] <Upu> so basically the module is working ok so must be something else wrong
[22:23] <Steve_2E0VET> ok
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[22:25] <Steve_outside_wi> gonna go outside with the laptop
[22:25] <Upu> nps
[22:29] <Steve_outside_wi> ok got fix in u-centre
[22:31] <Upu> so hit cold reset
[22:31] <Upu> and it should loose all sats
[22:31] <Upu> if it does
[22:31] <Upu> you have 2 way comms and the GPS module is working fine
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[22:32] <Steve_2E0VET> when I load "software Serial" from here http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=frontpage:levelconvertor
[22:32] <Steve_2E0VET> thats when i get reading ACK response failed
[22:33] <Upu> ah yeah software serial
[22:33] <Steve_2E0VET> ah yeah
[22:33] <Upu> there lies yer problem
[22:34] <Upu> http://www.billporter.info/2011/06/26/how-to-add-multiple-uart-connections/
[22:34] <Steve_2E0VET> well i do have a UM232R but i cannot seem to get it working.
[22:34] <Steve_2E0VET> should the UM232R plug into the computer and power the arduino, the same as the USB on the arduino
[22:36] <Upu> it won't power the Arduino
[22:36] <Upu> that code you loaded up
[22:36] <Upu> basically turns the Arduino into a UM232R
[22:38] <Steve_2E0VET> ok so if i went down the "Hardware Serial", which USB do I plug into the computer?
[22:38] <Upu> stick some 1K resistors between Arduino RX/TX and the GPS
[22:38] <Upu> then plug the UM232R in via software serial
[22:38] <Steve_2E0VET> ok
[22:38] <Upu> if that makes sense
[22:39] <Steve_2E0VET> ok, so would I then need to use external power to power the board
[22:39] <Upu> I would configure the Arduino so you can send data via software serial to say pins 4,5
[22:39] <Upu> just the USB is gin
[22:39] <Upu> fine
[22:39] <Upu> plug the UM232R into pins 4, 5
[22:39] <Upu> and see if you can see data on it
[22:40] <Upu> i.e open a serial monitor on the UM232R serial port
[22:40] <Steve_2E0VET> ok totally lost now. does the "Bill Porter" document explain it
[22:40] <Upu> lol
[22:40] <Upu> o put the GPS to one side
[22:40] <Steve_2E0VET> ok
[22:40] <Upu> plug the UM232R into pins 4 and 5
[22:40] <Upu> and use the software serial examples
[22:40] <Upu> to get data going to it
[22:41] <Upu> you can open 2 serial consoles and what you type in one should appear in the other
[22:41] <Upu> using example code
[22:41] <Upu> try that
[22:41] <Upu> I need to log
[22:41] <Upu> I'll be back tomorrow
[22:41] <Upu> night!
[22:41] <Steve_2E0VET> would that be pins 4 & 5 into DB0/1 on the UM232R
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> Night upu
[22:41] <Upu> yes Steve
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> thing im doing the same!
[22:41] <Steve_2E0VET> night mate
[22:42] <Steve_2E0VET> thanks for your help
[22:42] <cyclops> Night upu!
[22:42] <Steve_2E0VET> chrisstubbs, you haveing probs as well
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> No, im going to sleep haha
[22:42] <Steve_2E0VET> lol
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> But i have had flight mode probelms before, Once I forgot to solder the RX of the ublox
[22:43] <Steve_2E0VET> im still in breadboard mode
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> and tried to run it the wrong way through two level converters. That was a week long pain haha
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> Good luck!
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[23:48] <KT5TK_QRL> Does anybody know where I can get a uBlox AMY-6 module from?
[23:54] <nigelvh> Good question.
[23:54] <nigelvh> Only place I could find reasonably priced ubloxes of any sort was Upu.
[23:54] <Steve_2E0VET> upu
[23:55] <KT5TK_QRL> regardless of the price, you can't even order an AMY from ublox itself
[23:55] <KT5TK_QRL> Does Upu have them?
[23:55] <nigelvh> I don't know if he has the AMY modules.
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[23:57] <nigelvh> You might have to contact a sales rep.
[23:58] <nigelvh> sales in the US is info_us@u-blox.com
[23:58] <nigelvh> Or if you want to phone them it's 4083070118
[23:58] <nigelvh> If you call this moment you might still reach them.
[23:58] <nigelvh> Assuming they'll answer a call at 4:58 in the afternoon on a friday.
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