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[02:34] <arko> its like Hayabusa haha
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[03:30] <heathkid|2> info on ZURG?
[03:32] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[03:48] <arko> YESSSSS
[03:49] <arko> http://imgur.com/a/GkmSc
[03:51] <Randomskk_> arko: haha oh nice
[03:52] <arko> I AM CHAMPION
[03:53] <heathkid> how can I be a champion?
[03:55] <arko> land something on duna in ksp comrad
[03:58] <Randomskk_> im in ur garden
[03:58] <Randomskk_> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/0c27qmijwadxmuy/M9AayNy7jw
[03:58] <Randomskk_> eatin ur plats
[03:58] <heathkid> I can land anywhere... anytime...
[04:00] <heathkid> all it takes is $$$ and resources...
[04:00] <heathkid> right?
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[06:53] <chrisstubbs> Can someone please put the ukhas batc live stream link on spacenear.us
[06:53] <Upu> sure
[06:53] <chrisstubbs> cheers
[06:53] <Upu> did steve say what he'd changed the frequency to ?
[06:54] <chrisstubbs> He said he was using .650 last night
[06:54] <chrisstubbs> not sure which payload though
[06:54] <Upu> I suspect XABEN1
[06:54] <chrisstubbs> also, can you clear my test off from this morning please
[06:54] <Upu> sure
[06:54] <chrisstubbs> cheers, right im off to go meet matt. laters!
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[07:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> 'Morning...
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[07:24] <x-f> morning
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[07:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi x-f
[07:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey chrisstubbs
[07:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Not fantastic weather for launches
[07:29] <chrisstubbs> good enough!
[07:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done chrisstubbs!
[07:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll get the kit ready to track after some brekkie
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[07:37] <chrisstubbs> we are ready about 2 hours early! HAB has never seen organisation like this before!
[07:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL... Cripes. Are ou still going for 12:00UTC or will you bring it forward?
[07:38] <chrisstubbs> We are meeting the CUSF guys at 12
[07:38] <chrisstubbs> so probably launching about 13.00 loca
[07:38] <chrisstubbs> l
[07:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK Good one. Plenty of time to get a few pre-flight pics then
[07:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> In case I get distracted or excited later, I wish you all the best of luck for great launches there today chrisstubbs
[07:40] <chrisstubbs> Cheers :)
[07:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, I'm gonna sort myself out some brekkie and sort the kit out - BBS
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[07:48] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Good morning all, with effrt I try and try and track with two sets ups today! - If windows 8 plays along!!!!
[07:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> G4MYS_2_Andy: It's a shame I've only got one set of radio kit available otherwise I'd track more than one
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[07:58] <G4MYS_2_Andy> G0TDJ Steve Ive got the second radio, the problme was the aerial and Computer tis machibe is a bit decrepid and give greif from time to time, so a new cheap machine will be given a run for its money, Ill be using a temp 30 ft fiberglass push up mast to hold what will be the GB3SH stand by aerial up, on a dustbin!, to give a 1M further lift, tied to the TV aerial pole on the side of the house!
[07:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Great stuff, whatever it takes! I hope you get some great sigs.
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[08:05] <G4MYS_2_Andy> G0TDJ I better get out and solder an N plug on first! or I get nowt tried with a 100Mhz dipole last week got amost nothing dont try dont learn! HI
[08:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> :D OK Andy, speak to you soon.
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[08:09] <chrisstubbs> upu can you set up the live predictor for 37km please
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[08:10] <Upu> rgr
[08:11] <Upu> done
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[08:20] <Jonathan_G4KLX> You need an SDR with a 1 MHz BW and some clever DSP software to isolate the different signals and then N decoders. Simples.
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[08:24] <mfa298_> Jonathan_G4KLX: sdr-radio works well like that for the software
[08:24] <mfa298_> you can have 6 seperate vfo's all outputing to a different sound device
[08:25] <Jonathan_G4KLX> It's not a hugely complex bit of software, just need to get away from using sound devices. Jack on Linux would be ideal.
[08:26] <mfa298_> there are bits of software for windows that provide virtual sound devices (e.g. Virtual Audio Cable)
[08:27] <mfa298_> there's another one as well that someone mentioned recently that I think is free
[08:28] <gonzo__mob> not followed yhe thread. but how about a set of cheap rtl dongles to collectivly cover spectrum
[08:28] <Jonathan_G4KLX> I know about VAC but it's a lot of complexity for a very simple task.
[08:29] <mikestir> i'm going to build the decoders into this websdr I'm writing
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[08:31] <Herman-PB0AHX> GM to all
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[08:35] <Jonathan_G4KLX> mikestir: sounds good, open source?
[08:35] <mikestir> yes it will be. I'm getting it functional before I release code, but it's pretty much ready
[08:35] <mikestir> at least for basic functionality
[08:36] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Excellent, what language?
[08:36] <mikestir> it can support N receivers per tuner (CPU limited), and multiple tuners, although only rtlsdr for now
[08:36] <mikestir> C++
[08:37] <Jonathan_G4KLX> That's brilliant. Maybe I can contribute to it once you release.
[08:38] <mikestir> sure. big bit of work to get it usable for hab will be to write the decoders
[08:38] <Gadget-Mac> Oh, life :)
[08:38] <mikestir> gm gadget-mac
[08:38] <Gadget-Mac> Hows it going mikestir
[08:39] <mikestir> Jonathan_G4KLX: I'll pm you a demo link. pm just because bandwidth to the server is limited
[08:39] <mikestir> gadget-mac: ok ta. bit cooler here today
[08:40] <Gadget-Mac> Think it rained overnight here. My eyes certainly confirm that theory
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[08:46] <Gadget-Mac> mikestir: WebSDR still progressing ?
[08:46] <mikestir> yeah the server is pretty much done for basic functionality
[08:46] <mikestir> need to get some html and javascript written
[08:46] <mikestir> you can tune it now by sending json with curl though
[08:47] <Darkside> making your own websdr?
[08:47] <Darkside> and open source!
[08:47] <Darkside> awesome
[08:48] <mikestir> yes. I wanted a better solution for remote rx
[08:48] <Darkside> mikestir: whats the processing backend, as it's be nice to be able to pipe in gnuradio source blocks, instead of being limited to a sound card
[08:48] <Darkside> that way you can plug in a USRP, or a RTLSDR without doing any dodgy gnuradio to audio loopback hacks
[08:48] <mikestir> it's custom, but flowgraph based
[08:48] <mikestir> I thought about using gnuradio but I wanted something a bit simpler
[08:48] <mikestir> it's easy enough to write tuner drivers though
[08:49] <mikestir> USRP and FCD would be likely candidates
[08:49] <eroomde> i'm getting a ursp in the next couple of weeks
[08:49] <eroomde> i'm quite excited to play with it
[08:49] <Darkside> rtlsdr would e useful
[08:49] <mikestir> rtlsdr at the moment
[08:49] <Darkside> eroomde: what model and daugherboards?
[08:51] <eroomde> n10 and several
[08:51] <eroomde> 210*
[08:51] <Darkside> eroomde: niiiice
[08:51] <eroomde> not sure exactly which yet, but am going to be using it for lots of things
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[08:53] <eroomde> then the ZVL :)
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[09:13] <fsphil> aah yes launches today. there's also a chance of thunderstorms later
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[09:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[09:42] <chrisstubbs> morning
[09:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning chris
[09:42] <OZ1SKY_Brian> any launches today, tropo seems to be good to UK?
[09:43] <chrisstubbs> Yeah!
[09:43] <chrisstubbs> I am on the way to cambridge with Matt right now
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[09:43] <chrisstubbs> going to launch MONTY-1 and CHEAPO-5 at about 1pm
[09:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> really, perfect
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[09:43] <chrisstubbs> I think steve is launching today too
[09:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wrk North Ireland, England and Scotland last night on 70cm.
[09:44] <number10> did he sort out frequency clash
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[09:52] <craag> number10: Yes, steve's flying .750 instead of .300
[09:52] <craag> *.650
[09:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.750?
[09:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok
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[09:53] <craag> Sorry, been spending too much time on 144.750 :P
[09:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol what going on there?
[09:53] <craag> ATV talkback channel
[09:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ja det må det være
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> upsd
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ups
[09:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> craag ahh ok, we dont have any ATV here in DK
[09:55] <craag> There's a ON0SNW in the south.
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[09:55] <craag> And there's a guy planning to fly a HAB with an ATV repeater on it soon.
[09:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thats why to far away from here
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[09:56] <craag> Ah yeah you're in the north
[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes Denmark
[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> near Aarhus
[09:57] <craag> Oh, for some reason I thought ON0SNW was in Denmark, sorry got confused!
[09:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nope thats belgium
[09:58] <craag> Yep I see now :)
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[09:58] <Herman-PB0AHX> hoi brain i dit the same to much time on atv hihihihi
[09:58] <craag> A little too far away :P
[09:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> not easy to remember it all, after more prefixes got released
[10:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> used to be just OZ here, now its also 5P,5Q,OU and XP
[10:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> on wat time MARKEE go to fly ??
[10:00] <craag> I assumed O--- callsigns must all be Danish. But no.
[10:01] <craag> MARKEE is not flying today.
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[10:01] <craag> We have 2 balloons from Cambridge at 1200 UTC.
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[10:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok yes i see the orher 1200 utc
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[10:10] <chrisstubbs> I think steve is launching today too
[10:11] <chrisstubbs> right we are at churchill now
[10:11] <fsphil> yea
[10:12] <fsphil> though steve's position on the map is still at Felixstowe
[10:13] <fsphil> who's testing Markee?
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[10:14] <G4MYS_2_Andy> where is Churchill?
[10:14] <craag> In cambridge
[10:15] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Many thanks
[10:15] <craag> It's the CUSF's permanent NOTAM site.
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[10:16] <g0hww> its seems make install doesn't work with latest dl-fldigi from git
[10:17] <g0hww> i just did a fresh clone to make sure it wasn't ancient cruft causing breakage
[10:17] <craag> I think they recommend to just run it from the build directory
[10:18] <craag> ./dl-fldigi --hab
[10:18] <Upu> who's uploading Markee ?
[10:18] <g0hww> hmm. that's unusual
[10:18] <fsphil> I asked that too, nobody's owned up yet :)
[10:19] <fsphil> g0hww: have you run: git submodule update --init
[10:19] <fsphil> ?
[10:19] <Upu> getting blocked in about 10 mins
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[10:19] <g0hww> yeah. it all builds, just fails to install what looks like the man page, and so the binary doesn't get installed either
[10:19] <g0hww> http://pastebin.com/ex5giw2V
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[10:20] <g0hww> it managed to install once before, so i have an old version in /usr/local/bin
[10:20] <fsphil> ah
[10:20] <fsphil> I've never actually installed
[10:20] <g0hww> actually, /usr/bin
[10:20] <g0hww> but now it is broken
[10:21] <craag> You could copy the binary into /usr/bin manually
[10:21] <g0hww> and of course the icons in ubuntu run the old versin
[10:21] <g0hww> yeah, but somebody could fix the installer
[10:22] Action: g0hww goes looking for a bug tracker
[10:22] <craag> g0hww: Where the git repo, I'll take a look
[10:22] <craag> ?
[10:23] <g0hww> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi
[10:23] <craag> cheers
[10:24] <craag> Hasn't been any changes to that repo since the last .deb/binary release btw.
[10:24] <g0hww> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi/issues/15
[10:25] <craag> In fact there's a more up to date repo here: https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi
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[10:26] <chris____> balloons late?
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[10:26] <ibanezmatt13> Good afternoon from spain :)
[10:27] <G4MYS_2_Andy> good morning from England mi Amego
[10:27] <fsphil> good morning from not spane
[10:27] <fsphil> spain
[10:28] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: it's raining here. it's amazing
[10:28] <ibanezmatt13> really, not a cloud over here :)
[10:28] <g0hww> ah
[10:28] <ibanezmatt13> Only just figured out the wifi key for the router here :P
[10:29] <Martin_G4FUI> It's why the "Emerald Isle" is that particular colour, fsphil :)
[10:29] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[10:30] <fsphil> Martin_G4FUI: to be honest it rains that much it should be called the Aqua Isle
[10:30] <fsphil> well, normally rains that much. this spell of sunshine was unusual
[10:31] <Martin_G4FUI> Normally the same can be said for the English Lake District, but it's been pretty dry here all year ...
[10:31] <DanielRichman> g0hww: make install works when building the deb:
[10:31] <DanielRichman> /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 dl-fldigi.1 dl-fldigi-shell.1 '/build/buildd/dl-fldigi-'
[10:31] <DanielRichman> compltes without errors
[10:32] <g0hww> DanielRichman, is that with your fork or jamescoxon's?
[10:32] <DanielRichman> and indeed, make install in git works for me
[10:32] <DanielRichman> mine.
[10:32] <g0hww> just fetching yours now
[10:32] <g0hww> thanks
[10:33] <ibanezmatt13> off for lunch, be back soon
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[10:33] <g0hww> if yours is preferred, perhaps the wiki should be updated
[10:36] <DanielRichman> James' is preferred really, since I will do development in mine while I think James tries to keep his master stable. He's just not up to date
[10:36] <DanielRichman> Are you not using a debian derivative?
[10:37] <g0hww> yeah, ubuntu
[10:38] <DanielRichman> why not use the ppa?
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[10:39] <g0hww> well, the other week there were some HABs using what i called the 'pointless' format
[10:39] <g0hww> that didn't seem to be supported by the old version
[10:39] <g0hww> so i decided to look for something newer
[10:40] <g0hww> anyway, i like bleeding on the edge
[10:40] <fsphil> the newer version has a few good fixes in it
[10:40] <fsphil> mainly not having the 8-bit ascii scrolling bug
[10:41] <g0hww> there's no debian dir in your repo structure?
[10:41] <DanielRichman> to build the deb you want http://github.com/dl-fldigi-packaging
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[10:41] <DanielRichman> uh
[10:41] <DanielRichman> http://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi-packaging
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[10:42] <g0hww> ok, scratch that
[10:42] <g0hww> i'll go for the install
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[10:42] <Steve_2E0VET> Anyone got a ardunio, RF module & GPS setup
[10:43] <DanielRichman> what si the "pointless" format?
[10:43] <g0hww> it seemed to have no decimal points in the lat/long
[10:43] <g0hww> so literally pointless, even if arguably useful
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[10:45] <DanielRichman> Right, I see. The version in git isn't going to parse that either
[10:46] <g0hww> i thought someone said that there was a version that would support that. maybe thats in another fork
[10:46] <g0hww> or perhaps i'm just confused
[10:46] <fsphil> I think that's the plan, just nobody's done it yet
[10:46] <g0hww> nope. make install fails from your repo too
[10:48] <Willdude123> Morning
[10:50] <fsphil> for another 10 minutes anyway
[10:50] <g0hww> i guess i'll have to try the packaging then
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[11:00] <chrisstubbs> Right time to get ready!
[11:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Break a leg Chris
[11:00] <fsphil> it's time to fill a balloon and chew bubble gum?
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> ...And I@m all out of gum
[11:01] Action: craag prefers the pointless lat/lon format.
[11:01] <craag> far easier to parse on the uc
[11:01] <Steve_2E0VET> is something being launched today
[11:01] <fsphil> two launches Steve_2E0VET
[11:01] <craag> BTW: Stratodean voted best presentation of AMSAT so far.
[11:01] <fsphil> check http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> craag, cool!
[11:01] <fsphil> it has details of the launches
[11:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Steve_2E0VET: Check out http://spacenear.us/tracker
[11:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cripes, you're quick fsphil
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[11:02] <fsphil> unusual for a sunday morning
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[11:03] <cyclops> Hi!
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi cyclops
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Are you partially sighted or is there another reason for your nick?
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[11:04] <cyclops> ahaha
[11:05] <cyclops> No, a cyclops is a mognifiying glass
[11:05] <cyclops> Ijust liked the name
[11:05] <g0hww> DanielRichman, how do i use the debian.py script? i've tried passing it a git repo url (yours on github) and a path to a local repo with the submodule already in, but it fails in both cases. sorry for nagging, btw
[11:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK :-) I only asked cos I am... One pretty useless eye
[11:05] <cyclops> oh
[11:05] <DanielRichman> g0hww: it fails?
[11:06] <DanielRichman> failure message?
[11:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Dosen't affect me day-today except I can't enjoy 3D LOL
[11:06] <g0hww> yep
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[11:06] <cyclops> well 3D is not as good as it seems
[11:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> So they tell me ;-)
[11:06] <cyclops> There is a lot of Hype thats it
[11:07] <cyclops> But now all the channels emmiting 3D tv are closing
[11:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> I've had the problem since birth so I'm used to it. People say they couldn't tell unless I say something
[11:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, I saw a news article that lots of companies are scaling down their 3D production
[11:07] <g0hww> like so: http://pastebin.com/SZiefDMf when pointed at a local repo
[11:08] <cyclops> 3D seems awesome at the beginning, but then is a meh, I dont need a 3D TV
[11:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> Funny enough, I have a 3D 'ready' TV but I can't watch it and my G/F isn't interested LOL
[11:09] <g0hww> and the same way when pointed at the github repo url
[11:09] <cyclops> The point is that only X seconds of the film do really have a 3d effect
[11:09] <cyclops> the rest is same 2d
[11:10] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, pointless excercise really, ntil holographic projection becomes normal. I'd be able to see that LOL
[11:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh phone... brb
[11:11] <fsphil> it's not even 3D .. it's stereo video
[11:12] <cyclops> Well look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
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[11:14] <fsphil> just a silly trick
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[11:16] <DanielRichman> g0hww: run it with -v
[11:17] <g0hww> using repo url or local git repo path?
[11:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> We have video....
[11:17] <chrisstubbs> live stream should be up?
[11:17] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: yes
[11:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Got it chrisstubbs
[11:17] <chrisstubbs> wesome
[11:17] <chrisstubbs> awesome
[11:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> We could hear you type, say Hi :D
[11:18] <fsphil> there is sound too
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[11:18] <fsphil> it's seriously over exposed chrisstubbs
[11:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> Pointing skyward?
[11:19] <g0hww> DanielRichman, ah. ok, with -v it seems that it fails for the same reason that make install fails
[11:19] <Willdude123> Hi
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[11:22] <DanielRichman> g0hww: can you list the doc directory after a failure (in dl-fldigi, not dl-fldigi-packaging)
[11:22] <mfa298_> reading the scrollback I've had no issue with man page from James's repo which is the same as the packaged version
[11:23] <DanielRichman> and which version of ubuntu is this?
[11:23] <g0hww> DanielRichman, http://pastebin.com/gLt8qqMb
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[11:23] <g0hww> Ubuntu 12.10 x86_64
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[11:24] <DanielRichman> yeah so the problem is presumably that those files end in .txt
[11:25] <craag> I'll just leave this here ;) http://www.dxspot.tv/ukhastv.html
[11:25] <g0hww> i've just renamed them to see if that fixes it
[11:25] <g0hww> nope
[11:26] <Upu> camera needs shades
[11:27] <DanielRichman> sorry, no, that's rubbish
[11:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yes a lens hood would also be a good move
[11:27] <DanielRichman> the .txt files are meant to be there; the ADOC line turns them into the final file
[11:27] <g0hww> so ADOC isn't working?
[11:28] <Darkside> oh guys
[11:28] <Darkside> your UK picko launch[Bhrm
[11:28] <cyclops> uh burned image D:
[11:29] <DanielRichman> g0hww: my current theory is that we all build it without asciidoc installed; so it never builds - and never installs - those files
[11:29] <DanielRichman> so the install may be broken and we wouldn't know
[11:29] <g0hww> ah
[11:30] <g0hww> sounds plausible
[11:30] <DanielRichman> maybe try ./configure --without-asciidoc?
[11:30] <DanielRichman> ah, no, that's not an option
[11:31] <DanielRichman> perhaps --with-asciidoc=no
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[11:32] <g0hww> yeah, trying that now
[11:32] <Martin_G4FUI> Monty just popped up on spacenear.us
[11:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> yes here Monty also on the map now
[11:34] <Upu> Can who ever is uploading Markee TPHQ please stop whilst live flight is in progress
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[11:36] <g0hww> ok, make install works
[11:36] <g0hww> with --with-asciidoc=no
[11:36] <chrisstubbs> all systems go :)
[11:37] <g0hww> so perhaps we should put that in your debian/rules
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> Are you launching a foil chrisstubbs :)
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> ?
[11:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> I believe he is Leo
[11:37] <LeoBodnar> Cool! \o/
[11:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> CHEAPO now on Tracker
[11:40] <cyclops> AFK
[11:43] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Can someone confirm or say no tho the frequencies for the CHEAPO flight? .750 or .300 please Andy
[11:44] <Martin_G4FUI> No pressure guys, but we have family round for lunch here, so a lot of interest in my tracking screens! [good luck!]
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[11:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Andy, info on Tracker is: 1200 UTC Churchill, UK MONTY: 434.075Mhz CHEAPO: 434.300Mhz
[11:48] <G8KNN> CHEAPO dial is currently 434.296
[11:48] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Steve I saew some discussion earlier about a QSY thus the question ! so far the aerial is gently swinging in the breeze and I expect the old bag over the back is all ready bitching to the councils answer phone service! HI
[11:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Could be. Sorry, I missed the QSY discussion
[11:50] <G4MYS_2_Andy> well I am not sure what they were discussing at the time some coulod be off on a limb here ! Andy
[11:50] <x-f> LeoBodnar, G0TDJ_Steve, CHEAPO is under a latex balloon, predicted to burst at 37 km altitude :)
[11:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> x-f: That's cool, I might have a fighting chance of hearing it over the hill
[11:51] <LeoBodnar> Ah, understand!
[11:52] <Martin_G4FUI> Judging by the video stream there seems to be quite a breeze down there ...
[11:52] <G4MYS_2_Andy> anty news from XABEN team then lads?
[11:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Martin_G4FUI: Yeah, I noticed the wind.
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[11:53] <G4MYS_2_Andy> yes the ATV feed appciated lads Andy
[11:53] <Martin_G4FUI> Blowing in this direction, maybe :)
[11:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Where are you Martin_G4FUI?
[11:53] <Martin_G4FUI> Penrith
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[11:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sadly not Martin, predictions are to the North
[11:54] <Martin_G4FUI> Penrith is North!
[11:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> Errr, I was never good at geography... LOL
[11:55] <Martin_G4FUI> As one of my pals from the South calls it "Seriously North"!
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[11:55] <Martin_G4FUI> Near Scotland
[11:55] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Yeah, OK Got you on the map, yes, heading your way, not mine (South of R.Thames)
[11:55] <Martin_G4FUI> Cat's whisker being polished ...
[11:55] <fsphil> people from the Shetlands will complain. Or at least they would, if they had internet
[11:56] <Martin_G4FUI> Lol
[11:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Heh
[11:56] <Martin_G4FUI> I'm more or less exactly due E of you, fsphil
[11:56] <fsphil> indeed
[11:57] <fsphil> I may land a payload in your general area sometime
[11:57] <G0TDJ_Steve> I see your tower icon on the map now Martin_G4FUI
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[11:57] <Martin_G4FUI> none from fsphil though, G0TDJ_Steve
[11:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> NO, are you going to track fsphil?
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[11:58] <fsphil> I'm there now
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[11:59] <Martin_G4FUI> gotcha
[11:59] <Steve_2E0VET> how do you get the chase cars onto spacenear.us is it aprs?
[11:59] <daveake> 3G
[11:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> There's an app you can run on your phone Steve_2E0VET
[11:59] <fsphil> dl-fldigi, or one of the chase car apps
[11:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi daveake :-) Enjoying your pics from Babbage
[12:00] <daveake> hah :)
[12:00] <daveake> http://imgur.com/2dzTXGK
[12:00] Nick change: jm_ -> John_G1WMK
[12:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cheapo predict, really? :-)
[12:00] <Steve_2E0VET> G0TDJ_Steve, any idea of the name of it
[12:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one daveake
[12:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah thats better
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[12:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Sorry Steve_2E0VET It's not an app, it's a webpage you can go to. I'll find the link in a tick
[12:01] <number10> I have never got that to work in fldigi with windows
[12:01] <Herman-PB0AHX> 434 300 is finally clean of faults here keep it coming
[12:02] <rharrison> ping Upu
[12:02] <Steve_2E0VET> G0TDJ_Steve, cheers
[12:02] <mfa298_> Steve_2E0VET: habhub.org/mt or various apps (android/apple)
[12:03] <mfa298_> some of the apps are also listed at http://ukhas.org.uk/general:chase_car_trackers
[12:03] <mfa298_> there's another android app that's not listed (which also decodes rtty)
[12:04] <RocketBoy> hi rharrison & folks
[12:04] <rharrison> Hi RocketBoy
[12:04] <rharrison> Managed to get one up he other day
[12:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks mfa298_ Just couldn't find that link
[12:04] <mattbrejza> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem
[12:04] <RocketBoy> oh wow - good to see you back
[12:04] <RocketBoy> flight in about 30 mins
[12:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> RocketBoy: Are you on the Xaben team?
[12:05] <RocketBoy> yep that me
[12:05] <RocketBoy> afk
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[12:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Oh yes, I see uXABEN on Tracker
[12:06] <number10> G0TDJ_Steve: he is the only member of xaben team
[12:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ohhh! LOL number10 RocketBoy
[12:07] <chrisstubbs> ok
[12:07] <chrisstubbs> launch in a few mins
[12:07] <chrisstubbs> just powering up camera
[12:07] <G0TDJ_Steve> Roger chrisstubbs Exposure still way too much
[12:07] <Herman-PB0AHX> uXABEN is a bit off warm hihihihi
[12:08] <Hix> is that domlin on the netbook?
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[12:11] <iain_g4sgx> I tried to search for Habhub on my iphone app center and couldn't find it.
[12:11] <jon__> MONTY is spot on 434.075
[12:12] Nick change: iain_g4sgx -> Iain_G4SGX_Garde
[12:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks jon__
[12:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> Iain_G4SGX_Garde: I don't think it is available any more
[12:13] <mfa298> there had been issues getting Apple to approve some versions of the ios app.
[12:14] <mfa298> (fix: get an android phone :P)
[12:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> I wondered mfa298
[12:15] <mfa298> looks like I can't follow the web link to see what the apple store says without installing itunes :(
[12:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> It goes to another app with HAB in the title mfa298
[12:16] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
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[12:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> MONTY and CHEAPO up
[12:16] <chrisstubbs> whoop
[12:16] <chrisstubbs> good launch
[12:17] <chrisstubbs> going to pack up not. brb
[12:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> well done
[12:17] <chrisstubbs> *now
[12:17] <Hix> huh missed that
[12:17] <fsphil> some quite wild predictions
[12:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, crazt
[12:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> crazy
[12:18] <Martin_G4FUI> One of the ones for B-6 suggested it might possibly go past the end of my road at some point! :)
[12:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> I'll have to wait for the green footprint at least before I'll hear either of them
[12:20] <Hix> is Monty 434.075?
[12:20] <steve-g7vrk> got cheapo
[12:20] <fsphil> according to the info box yea
[12:20] <Martin_G4FUI> Normally I start to get partials more or less as the blue circle gets to me, faint traces in the w/f slighly earlier
[12:21] <number10_M0MDB> 434.07468
[12:21] <fsphil> same here Martin_G4FUI
[12:21] <fsphil> the closer you get the more sudden the signal appears
[12:21] <g0hww> http://www.g0hww.net/2013/07/monty-hab.html
[12:21] <fsphil> and disappears
[12:21] <G0TDJ_Steve> Martin_G4FUI: Sadly, I'm in a valley on the North side.
[12:22] <Hix> ahh got it
[12:22] <Martin_G4FUI> I'm on elevated ground sloping to the south, VHF/UHF heaven :)
[12:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one Martin_G4FUI Maybe my next location....
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[12:23] <Martin_G4FUI> Blocked out to the North through East due to the Penrith Beacon, and the Pennines ...
[12:24] <Kevin-G7UXW> hi All whats montys settings
[12:24] <Martin_G4FUI> GB3ANG on 2m mostly via a/c reflections (under the flight path to/from Glasgow and Edinburgh, so thats OK!)
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[12:27] <chrisstubbs> ascent is a little low
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[12:29] <bertrik> CHEAPO seems to show a much "wobblier" ascent in the the altitude graph than MONTY1
[12:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> bertrik: Amazing that two balloons so close can do that.
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[12:29] <bertrik> maybe it's just the GPS
[12:29] <fsphil> they're on the same balloon iirc
[12:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is that correct chrisstubbs?
[12:30] <fsphil> so it may not be a real effect
[12:30] <Upu> ping rharrison
[12:30] <g0hww> wow, is that an 8.9KV battery?
[12:30] <fsphil> lol
[12:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> Picking up static....
[12:30] <g0hww> how many valves is that thing carrying?
[12:31] <fsphil> fixed-point value most likely
[12:31] <fsphil> or raw ADC reading
[12:31] Nick change: fsphil -> fsphil_MI0VIM
[12:31] <craag> Wow FCD Pro + blows the FT897 out of the water.
[12:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> really?
[12:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I wouldn't have expected that
[12:32] <craag> Partials on FCD, not visible on 897 waterfall, I've doubled checked everything
[12:32] <craag> Previous flight also didn't see it on 897 before green circle.
[12:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm going to be using the FCD++ for this one
[12:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> normally I use the FCD
[12:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> +
[12:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> they need a better naming scheme
[12:32] Action: bertrik is setting up the tracker at RevSpace, the hague, netherlands
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[12:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> hmm
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[12:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> the chepo shift is 50/370 ??
[12:33] <RocketBoy> about to launch
[12:33] <chrisstubbs> cheapo should be 425
[12:33] <chrisstubbs> shift
[12:33] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok
[12:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs: Is there an intermittent tone on the signal?
[12:34] <Hix> shift seems to be ~370
[12:34] <chrisstubbs> good luck RocketBoy
[12:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yeah, have a good launch RocketBoy
[12:34] <Kevin-G7UXW> 350 here under autoconfig
[12:34] <Herman-PB0AHX> i have trace of scheapo not yet writing
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[12:34] <chrisstubbs> try and stick with monty and switch to cheapo if theres any probs
[12:35] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> cheapo showing shift 465 on mine?
[12:35] <RocketBoy> ooo thats slow - should speed up later
[12:35] <Kevin-G7UXW> sorry i'm on monty
[12:36] <Hix> hmm using a virtual cable but cant get the input volume down. waterfall is mostly yesllow
[12:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> I got a very weak trace on .075 but it has a periodic tone. Am I hearing Monty?
[12:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> XABEN looks up
[12:41] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> switched to uXABEN as close
[12:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Yay! Partial from MONTY: $$MONTY1,304,12:41:14,52.2966,0.0221,602,7,4<,19,8872*3719
[12:42] <Herman-PB0AHX> yessssss first green from cheapo
[12:43] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> All lovely and strong here but I have excellent take of across flat fields in that direction, raised the mast too.
[12:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> MONTY Still not quite strong enough to get a fuul sentence
[12:44] <chrisstubbs> is cheapo stronger than monty?
[12:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> First green on MONTY Sentence No. 319
[12:46] <steve-g7vrk> i can rx monty best but keep missing first letter so not ploting
[12:46] <steve-g7vrk> ONTY1,322,12:46:02,52.3244,0.0108,7295,7,45,13,8862*9231
[12:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> I was getting that steve-g7vrk Just missing the first letter.
[12:47] <steve-g7vrk> i have lot of noise on 300 local 70cm repeter in put
[12:47] <Steve_2E0VET> mattbrejza, thanks
[12:48] <Upu> wait a repeater interfereing with a HAB flight ?
[12:48] <Upu> god damn those secondary users
[12:48] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
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[12:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs: I just tuned up to CHEAPO and the width of the signal on the W/F is wider than MONTY
[12:48] <craag> haha Upu_M0UPU
[12:48] <craag> I take it you heard Noel's comment on it at the end of Stratodean yesterday
[12:48] <Upu_M0UPU> no I didn't actually
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> I had to go out
[12:49] <craag> Recording is up now in the Film Archive
[12:49] <Willdude123> Hi Upu_M0UPU
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> hi Willdude123
[12:49] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll go have a listen
[12:49] <bertrik> I'm getting a much better signal on MONTY than on CHEAPO
[12:50] <Hix> weird dl-fldigi despite having a good signal on the waterfall is not logging a single character?
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[12:50] <craag> He mentioned better co-ordination of frequencies to avoid interference. Which basically means "Don't use repeater input frequencies" because I'm not sure how they'd take "We've got .300 this weekend, can you QSY the repeater?"
[12:50] <Hix> thought it was virtual cable but the same with physical cable
[12:50] <bertrik> Hix: try clearing the display with right-click-clear ?
[12:50] <Hix> done many times
[12:50] <bertrik> or perhaps squelch is set too high
[12:50] <steve-g7vrk> may be i was told wrong just looking up list
[12:50] <Hix> its off
[12:51] <steve-g7vrk> but i got of noise on 300
[12:51] <bertrik> I think I've seen dl-fldigi see weird stuff after receiving backspace characters
[12:52] <Hix> yeah some characters bork it, but there is nada on it
[12:52] <Hix> shame as signal is excellent
[12:52] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> No QRM here steve-g7vrk, must be local to you, seeing as how your only 5 miles away tops
[12:53] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> key fob or summu
[12:53] <bertrik> yay, first green on MONTY in the hague, netherlands
[12:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one bertrik
[12:54] <bertrik> for CHEAPO, an FSK shift of 470 or so seems more fitting than the auto-configured one
[12:54] <Hix> damn this is infuriating
[12:54] <Hix> never know this before
[12:54] <Hix> *known
[12:54] <bertrik> 300.9 km distance, 0.4 degree elevation
[12:55] <Martin_G4FUI> Sorry. Letting the side down here. Sitting outside eating lunch with the fam and drinking a rather nice red wine ... (CHEAPO green with me!)
[12:56] <LeoBodnar> There are no 434.300 repeaters on this list http://www.ukrepeater.net/repeaterlist3.htm
[12:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> CHEAPO nowhere near as strong as MONTY here in Crayford chriss
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[12:57] <Martin_G4FUI> fldigi reporting 24+dB SNR here (Penrith)
[12:57] <Martin_G4FUI> CHEAPO
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[12:58] <LeoBodnar> So how does one "coordinate" then?
[12:58] <steve-g7vrk> monty so here but still missing first letters only rxed abt 2 full strings here
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[13:00] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> Hix: quickly try the patch cable method, works for me, less levels to keep track of. Damn data noise spaces me out if i listen to it too much anyway!
[13:00] <M6PFX> i'm having an awful time with balloons this weekend, for whatever reason dl-fldigi doesn't want to play ball
[13:00] <Upu_M0UPU> uXABEN and CHEAPO are within the 90khz of the FCD so you can decode both at the same time :)
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[13:00] <Hix> Iain_G4SGX_Garde: have switched to cable, still same issue
[13:00] <Willdude123> Does the UBX breakout need to be powered by 3v3 when using 3v3 serial?
[13:01] <M6PFX> can someone confirm the settings for Monty please
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[13:01] <Hix> M6PFX: Payload: MONTY-1
[13:01] <Hix> Frequency: 434.075MHz
[13:01] <Hix> RTTY: 50baud, 350Hz shift, ASCII-8, No parity, 1.5 stop bits
[13:02] <M6PFX> hmm
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[13:02] <M6PFX> my decodes keep looking like this JM&fÌæfM342MaÍ&fMfæš3aÌ35¦¦n:N2""N:2>>.6N*6F.":N
[13:03] <Upu_M0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/JYcAkfF.jpg
[13:03] <M6PFX> i must have messed something up
[13:03] <Upu_M0UPU> lets see a screen shot M6PFX
[13:03] <RocketBoy> about to launch the 2nd one (XABEN-54)
[13:03] <Martin_G4FUI> possibly the wrong transmission format, M6PFX
[13:03] <Hix> I'm drawing a total blank
[13:04] <rharrison> UpuWork, you there
[13:04] <Hix> despite good sig
[13:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu_M0UPU is that ukhas mission control :-)
[13:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> trying to compile gnuradio before the payload gets above my horizon
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> hey rharrison
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> here
[13:04] <bertrik> Upu_M0UPU: do you use two funcubes, or do you have some fancy way to run two sdr# instances on the same funcube?
[13:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> not sure that's possible :)
[13:04] <M6PFX> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ypo4oxn65qbds3o/monty.png
[13:04] <RocketBoy> away
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> betrick just one
[13:04] <Martin_G4FUI> Multitasking again fsphil_MI0VIM :)
[13:04] <Upu_M0UPU> you can run 2 x SDRSharp
[13:04] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Martin_G4FUI: badly :)
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[13:04] <rharrison> Upu_M0UPU, you up for another test today?
[13:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I think I've got about 30 minutes before the payload signal can be heard here
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> be later on
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> just tracking at the moment
[13:05] <Martin_G4FUI> You need to be in touch with your feminine side fsphil_MI0VIM :)
[13:05] <bertrik> I'm using SDR console now with an RTLSDR, to run two instances of dl-fldigi on one dongle
[13:05] <rharrison> Oh is there a balloon up?
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> yup :)
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> four to be exact
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/JYcAkfF.jpg
[13:05] <rharrison> oh best see what I can grap
[13:05] <Upu_M0UPU> coming our way
[13:05] <rharrison> nice
[13:06] <rharrison> I would like a retrive
[13:06] <Upu_M0UPU> Nottingham
[13:06] <Upu_M0UPU> not quite all the way
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[13:06] <Upu_M0UPU> bertrik when you run the second SDRSharp it screws all the settings up so you have to reset them all
[13:07] <Upu_M0UPU> but you can run as many as your PC can handle
[13:07] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> you can run 2 x SDR# ? through the same saound card?
[13:07] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[13:07] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> I'll give it a go.
[13:07] <Upu_M0UPU> http://i.imgur.com/JYcAkfF.jpg <- like this
[13:07] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Do i have to power the UBX from 3v3 of 5v when using 3v3 serial?
[13:07] <Upu_M0UPU> CHEAPO & uXABEN are within the bandwidth of the FCD
[13:08] <Upu_M0UPU> Willdude123 yes you need 5V
[13:08] <Willdude123> What's the 3v3 pin on the board for?
[13:08] <Upu_M0UPU> powering something like a LED
[13:08] <Willdude123> Oh so you can use the board as a 3v3 power output.
[13:09] <Upu_M0UPU> I took it off the new ones as its confusing
[13:09] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[13:09] <Upu_M0UPU> ~30mA
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[13:09] <Martin_G4FUI> fsphil does listening to the cricket on the radio also count as multitasking? :)
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[13:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> General question, What would be the more weak signal resiliant? RTTY 50/300 or Domino as Leo uses?
[13:13] <Upu_M0UPU> Domino
[13:13] <Martin_G4FUI> No contest
[13:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> That was my guess Upu_M0UPU
[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> DominoEX is way better but harder to do
[13:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks guys
[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> from a hardware point of view
[13:14] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Martin_G4FUI: I'm watching Only Connect while doing the compiling too :)
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[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> few more people in here now rharrison :)
[13:14] <chrisstubbs> how is cheapo doing, I cant find it anywhere in the car?
[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> 12km
[13:14] <Martin_G4FUI> Well I'm also just finishing off this rather nice glass of wine, fsphil_MI0VIM :)
[13:14] <rharrison> Upu_M0UPU, yep in the old days it was just 5
[13:15] <Upu_M0UPU> GPS stuck @ 12k
[13:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Martin_G4FUI: hah, beats me
[13:15] <Upu_M0UPU> did you forget to put it in flight mode chrisstubbs ?
[13:15] <rharrison> RocketBoy, do you want these collected?
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[13:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> Much better signal here now chrisstubbs
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[13:15] <Martin_G4FUI> CHEAPO's sig has been fab here
[13:15] <rharrison> No dominox up?
[13:15] <m0tnr> I'm getting MONTY S1 but loud and clear and perfect decodes in stafford
[13:16] <Upu_M0UPU> no rharrison
[13:16] <Upu_M0UPU> maybe later I know Leo is launching soon
[13:16] <Upu_M0UPU> CHEAPO has "stuck" GPS I suspect its still in pedestrian mode
[13:16] <bertrik> last decode from CHEAPO is from 13:12, something happened?
[13:16] <Upu_M0UPU> see above its still transmitting fine
[13:16] <Upu_M0UPU> keep on it, will come back when it drops below 12km
[13:16] <m0tnr> CHEAPO is working fine for me.
[13:17] <mattbrejza> been a while since that bug has occured
[13:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 40% compiles
[13:17] <m0tnr> S0 but 9dB s/n and perfect decode.
[13:17] <fsphil_MI0VIM> compiled*
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[13:17] <Martin_G4FUI> CHEAPO has gone through some deep fades here, but is solid 90% + of the time
[13:17] <G4MYS_2_Andy> getting perfect decodes in Southampton on cheapo
[13:17] <G4MYS_2_Andy> but its more difficult to read
[13:17] <rharrison> Somany ballons
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[13:18] <rharrison> Whats going on on 434.350? I#m just getting cont. tone
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[13:18] <[1]chrisstubbs> upu its in flightmode
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> sure [1]chrisstubbs ?
[13:18] <[1]chrisstubbs> flightmode:1 in spacenear.us
[13:18] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> YAY, 2 at once, cool
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> 12km is the altitude it stops working at if its in pedestrial
[13:18] <G4MYS_2_Andy> but not a sniff of XABEN yet
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> if it comes back at 12km
[13:19] <Upu_M0UPU> your code may be reporting flight mode
[13:19] <Upu_M0UPU> but it isn't
[13:19] <[1]chrisstubbs> i have an if(alt > 30000) in my code. could that have somehow affected it
[13:19] <[1]chrisstubbs> if it parsed 30000 as an int it would have limited to 12 or so?
[13:19] <Upu_M0UPU> only if you're working in feet
[13:19] <Upu_M0UPU> oh
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[13:20] <[1]chrisstubbs> the 30000 was hard coded into the if statment like above, not stored as a var
[13:20] <bertrik> 30000 ft = 9.144 km
[13:20] <[1]chrisstubbs> that 30000 is in meters
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[13:21] <Upu_M0UPU> well should come back I guess
[13:21] <bertrik> I mean, it's not getting stuck at 30000 ft because 30000 ft != 12.1 km (altitude it appears to be stuck at)
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[13:22] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Cheapo is not updating who is monitoring I am getting greens but no callsign!
[13:22] <G4MYS_2_Andy> look at that dam thing makes me out a liar!!!
[13:22] <Martin_G4FUI> I suspect propagation is better than normal because I'm getting astonishing signals from CHEAPO at almost 300kqrb
[13:23] <chrisstubbs> G4MYS_2_Andy, looks like a gps fault
[13:23] <chrisstubbs> switch to MONTY if possible
[13:23] <G4MYS_2_Andy> OK chris thank you!
[13:23] Action: bertrik switches from CHEAPO to XABEN
[13:23] <Steve_2E0VET> is it fairly easy to write code for the arduino to get gps data an transmit it. or as a beginner is there any code that is already written that i can modify?
[13:23] <Upu_M0UPU> I would keep some people on CHEAPO
[13:23] <Upu_M0UPU> as I suspect it will pick up
[13:23] <Upu_M0UPU> is it attached to the other payload ?
[13:23] <Martin_G4FUI> I'll stick with CHEAPO
[13:24] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Ive been reading Monty for some time only taking Chepo till XABEN get higher!!!
[13:24] <chrisstubbs> upu yeah on same train
[13:24] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ok
[13:24] <G4MYS_2_Andy> good job you guys fit 2 txs
[13:24] <Martin_G4FUI> seeing anything in the w/f yet, fsphil_MI0VIM
[13:24] <chrisstubbs> Problem may also be lack of GPS lock as it appears the 808 camera has turned on (dx=1 is on dx=0 is off)
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> Cheapo GPS navmode malfunction?
[13:25] <m0tnr> uXABEN seems quite far off frequency
[13:25] <GW8RAK> What are the settings for Monty please? I've got a shift of 360, but no decode
[13:25] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Monty try 450 shift
[13:25] <bertrik> I use 465 shift now on uXABEN
[13:25] <Upu_M0UPU> oh you didn't
[13:25] <Upu_M0UPU> 808 camera
[13:25] <Upu_M0UPU> sigh
[13:25] <Upu_M0UPU> when does it turn off ?
[13:26] <GW8RAK> Unless I'm listening to the wrong balloon, I've got 360Hz shift on Monty
[13:26] <mikestir> GW8RAK: 8 data bits, 1.5 stop bits
[13:26] <mikestir> decoding here
[13:26] <Lunar_Lander> hi GW8RAK
[13:26] <G4MYS_2_Andy> someone give me a dial freq for XABEN please ?
[13:26] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.648
[13:26] <GW8RAK> Thanks mikestir, got it now.
[13:26] <GW8RAK> Hi Lunar_Lander
[13:27] <GW8RAK> Signals are strong today
[13:27] <G4MYS_2_Andy> M0UPU many thanks
[13:27] <number10_M0MDB> 434.355.7 for uXaben
[13:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Martin_G4FUI: I don't have a waterfall yet. still compiling gnuradio...
[13:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> but they should be tehre
[13:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there*
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[13:28] <m0tnr> Why is uXABEN so far from XABEN1?
[13:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its not on the same balloon
[13:29] <chrisstubbs> upu 808 should turn off in about 30 mins
[13:29] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[13:29] <m0tnr> Aaah, right, okay
[13:29] <chrisstubbs> battery will die then
[13:29] <m0tnr> That makes sense :)
[13:29] <chrisstubbs> it was supposed to turn on at 30km
[13:29] <Martin_G4FUI> fsphil_MI0VIM, anything involving Linux always gets me to reconsider the priorities of life, the universe, everything ...
[13:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Martin_G4FUI: well normally it's much easier than this. I'm just trying the newest gnuradio + gqrx
[13:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it works better with the fcd++
[13:31] <Martin_G4FUI> The fce++ has been one of the best £150 I've ever spent
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[13:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I've used it in the chase car before
[13:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> but this is the first time I've tried it on the colinear at home
[13:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> well... will be the first time ...
[13:32] <Martin_G4FUI> fcd++ [blame french wine!]
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[13:32] <chrisstubbs> ok we are pulled over to wait for burst
[13:32] <mikestir> mrs tripped the power with the iron
[13:32] <fsphil_MI0VIM> d'oh!
[13:32] <mikestir> lol
[13:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> As fast as uXABEN's footprint approaches me, the slower it climbs....
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[13:34] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> been getting gree3n on cheapo but seems not updating on map?
[13:35] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 75% compiled. if this dies at the end, I may use bad language
[13:35] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> 13:24:05
[13:35] <bertrik> Iain_G4SGX_Garde: something seems to be wrong with the GPS
[13:35] <bertrik> it's not in "high-altitude mode" as far as I understand
[13:35] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> just got this and it was green.. $$$$CHEAPO,602,132922,52.523220,-0.009880,12100,0,1,1.19,-14,1,1*42A7
[13:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil_MI0VIM do it with dialect, then no one will understand it anyway :-)
[13:37] <chrisstubbs> Iain_G4SGX_Garde, that string has no gps lock
[13:37] Action: chrisstubbs doh
[13:37] <chrisstubbs> cheapo is having a bad time
[13:37] <m0tnr> Looks like it's altitude has a cap?
[13:37] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> poor cheapo.. :(
[13:37] <mfa298> after being spoilt with DominoEX I don't like rtty, I can hear it, see it on the waterfall but struggling to get good decodes.
[13:38] <Upu_M0UPU> m0tnr possibly the GPS jammed out with the crappy 808 camera :)
[13:38] <m0tnr> hehe
[13:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's happened before
[13:38] <Martin_G4FUI> Funny it was around 12k though ...
[13:38] <Upu_M0UPU> thats when the camera was turned on Martin_G4FUI
[13:39] <Martin_G4FUI> Ah!
[13:39] <Martin_G4FUI> Circumstantial evidence, then ...
[13:39] <Martin_G4FUI> Will it turn off <10k ?
[13:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Are we saying that when the camera turns off, GPS might return?
[13:39] <Martin_G4FUI> 12k
[13:39] <Upu_M0UPU> yup
[13:39] <Martin_G4FUI> jinx!
[13:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> :D
[13:40] <Martin_G4FUI> SOOOOO many variables ...
[13:40] <m0tnr> UXABEN seems to be putting out quite a lot of noise/spurious emissions
[13:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> compiling this had made my UPS overload LED light up
[13:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> I love this, I learn something new every launch
[13:41] Action: bertrik switches from uXABEN to XABEN
[13:41] <Upu_M0UPU> signal seems ok from here m0tnr maybe a little drifty suspect not much insulation
[13:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Woah!
[13:42] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> up, cheapo updated
[13:42] <m0tnr> Upu_M0UPU: About 1kHz up from the main two frequencies there's a little line of noise which disappears between telemetry strings. Also quite a lot of general haze in the area of the two main frequencies
[13:42] <m0tnr> But I'm probably getting a particularly strong signal off it
[13:42] <G0TDJ_Steve> Love that prediction...
[13:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I would treat the location from cheapo as suspect atm
[13:42] <rharrison> it might ne an idea to put the meridion lines on the map
[13:43] <Upu_M0UPU> m0tnr seems clean here
[13:43] <m0tnr> Oh, I'm talking rubbish, I mean XABEN, not uXEBEN
[13:43] <Martin_G4FUI> Lat/Long appears to be updating atm, but not alt
[13:43] <m0tnr> Sorry
[13:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> Time not correct either
[13:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> Pretty close now...
[13:44] <chrisstubbs> Would tthe gps dance around like that if it wasnt in flight mode
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[13:44] <chrisstubbs> or is 808 jamming more likely
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> 4 balloons?
[13:44] <rharrison> Laurenceb, ye
[13:44] <rharrison> p
[13:44] <mikestir> monty getting very weak here
[13:44] <Laurenceb__> nuts
[13:45] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh I thought it was two balloons
[13:45] <Martin_G4FUI> time, lat, long all look sensible, but not alt ...software error ?
[13:45] <bertrik> m0tnr: I see the fuzzyness in XABEN signal too here
[13:45] <m0tnr> This might be a stupid question, but does anybody know why I can't fullscreen dl-fldigi?
[13:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisstubbs: Someone mentioned that MONTY and CHEAPO are on the same balloon, is this correct?
[13:45] <m0tnr> Yes
[13:45] <Upu_M0UPU> limitation of the upstream software
[13:45] <Upu_M0UPU> however fixed in next version m0tnr
[13:45] <m0tnr> Yeh, I thought it might be an fldigi thing
[13:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dial for monty atm?
[13:45] <m0tnr> Upu_M0UPU: is the next version released?
[13:45] <mikestir> in hab mode dl-fldigi insists on opening up across both my monitors on linux
[13:45] <G0TDJ_Steve> OZ1SKY_Brian: I have 434.074
[13:45] <Upu_M0UPU> not atm
[13:45] <mikestir> doesn't do that in normal mode
[13:46] <m0tnr> Upu_M0UPU: Okay, no prob, thanks :)
[13:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> G0TDJ_Steve thanks
[13:46] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm corrected its dl-fldigi with the no full screen thing
[13:46] <m0tnr> I wasn't sure if there was some sort of sensible reason for it
[13:47] <Martin_G4FUI> CHEAPO lat long and time now stuck
[13:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> abit of wobble on monty?
[13:48] <fsphil_MI0VIM> compile at 99%
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[13:48] Action: fsphil_MI0VIM braces for bad words
[13:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Shouldn't we be bracing fsphil_MI0VIM
[13:49] <Martin_G4FUI> fsphil_MI0VIM, if you use Linux, you would have run out of those a long time ago!
[13:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> linux has been good to me :)
[13:49] <fsphil_MI0VIM> much more so than windows
[13:49] <Martin_G4FUI> We need to to tell us where the blue line is for CHEAPO, fsphil_MI0VIM
[13:49] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: I see the wobble on MONTY too
[13:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> can´t be, got a faint trace on 434.074.5 at the right shift. Thats would be way to early
[13:50] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434.074.5 @ 1234Hz
[13:50] <Martin_G4FUI> good propagaion, OZ1SKY_Brian ?
[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Must be tropo assisted
[13:51] <Martin_G4FUI> someone's nicked the "t" from my k/b!
[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the dial for cheapo?
[13:51] <rharrison> Look like CHEEPO has the classic 0 degrees bug
[13:51] <Martin_G4FUI> I have 434.3
[13:51] <Martin_G4FUI> give or take
[13:51] <rharrison> Issues around crossing the meridion
[13:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Martin_G4FUI thanks
[13:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the most documented bug ever I think rharrison
[13:52] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly a jammed out GPS rharrison
[13:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> RocketBoy: Receiving uXABEN strong in Crayford but sticking with MONTY for now
[13:52] <rharrison> Possibly but is that likely given the coordinates
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[13:53] <Upu_M0UPU> well the ublox spit out random crap via UBX when they don't have a lock
[13:54] <rharrison> anyone else getting that beat on uXHABEN
[13:54] <chrisstubbs> thanks steve
[13:54] <Upu_M0UPU> beat ?
[13:54] <chrisstubbs> this is NMEA
[13:54] <rharrison> Every second
[13:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> No probs Mate
[13:54] <rharrison> Upu_M0UPU, ?
[13:54] <Upu_M0UPU> hang on
[13:54] <Upu_M0UPU> got 3 RTTY's going at once :)
[13:54] <Upu_M0UPU> tactical mute needed
[13:55] <rharrison> 434.356
[13:55] <mikestir> sounds ok here
[13:55] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah sounds like a metronome in the background
[13:55] <Martin_G4FUI> It's the darndest thing, seeing telemetry _almost_ but not quite stuck . . .
[13:55] <rharrison> Yep it's only just come in 3 mins ago
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[13:56] <Upu_M0UPU> getting it on the the other XABEN too
[13:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> MONTY Sigs wavering here
[13:56] <Martin_G4FUI> Usually it's either stuck or it isn't!
[13:56] <m0tnr> That's funny. MONTY seems to have the same 1kHz up noise line that XABEN did
[13:57] <Upu_M0UPU> question chrisstubbs does the camera turn off on time or altitude ?
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[13:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lost monty again, if it was monty
[13:59] <db_g6gzh_> Upu_M0UPU: I think he suggested camera battery would die after 30 mins
[13:59] <Upu_M0UPU> jolly good :)
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[14:00] <db_g6gzh_> but also it wasn't supposed to be on until 30km
[14:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> MONTY Peaking at s/n 23dB at times here
[14:01] <chrisstubbs> ugh we are getting horrible QRM at the petrol station
[14:02] <chrisstubbs> apologies for the total mess cheapo has made of the map
[14:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> Too many gubbins chrisstubbs
[14:02] <bertrik> chrisstubbs: perhaps a radar-based door opener?
[14:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> chrisstubbs if you follow that flight path, all is forgiven :-)
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[14:05] Action: fsphil_MI0VIM waves to GI6ISW
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[14:06] <chrisstubbs> we seem to be racing steve haha
[14:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> chrisstubbswhat alt do you expect?
[14:08] <db_g6gzh_> chrisstubbs: all will be forgiven if CHEAPO's camera gets photos of uXABEN 8-)
[14:08] <g0hww> so no SVs for cheapo?
[14:08] <bertrik> or B-6 :D
[14:10] <m0tnr> MONTY is super duper drifty
[14:10] <m0tnr> Don't know how fldigi is keeping up
[14:10] <mikestir> did b-6 have any contact details marked on it?
[14:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> m0tnr still 434.074 for monty?
[14:10] <m0tnr> Yep, .074 dial
[14:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> m0tnr thanks
[14:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh
[14:11] <_GMT_> mikestir: B-6 was so small the contact details would have to be a micro-dot
[14:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> neverminde now
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[14:12] <g0hww> cheapos going a bit nuts now
[14:12] <m0tnr> "now"
[14:12] <m0tnr> :p
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[14:12] <g0hww> strange QSY
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[14:12] <cyclops> hi all"
[14:12] <_GMT_> hola cyclops
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[14:12] <cyclops> buenas _GMT_
[14:13] <_GMT_> cyclops: we have 4 balloons flying at the moment
[14:13] <Upu_M0UPU> well its burst
[14:13] <Upu_M0UPU> so signal will be a little ropey
[14:13] <cyclops> Following them trhought Spacenear.us :D
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[14:13] <g0hww> oh, cheapo popped?
[14:13] <cyclops> I look everyday at the page
[14:14] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[14:14] <m0tnr> Odd that MONTY doesn't think it's popped
[14:14] <m0tnr> I'd be inclined to not trust CHEAPO
[14:14] <Upu_M0UPU> monty is reporing burst
[14:15] <m0tnr> Oh, right, yeh
[14:15] <Upu_M0UPU> cheapo signal wobbling like hell
[14:15] <m0tnr> Derp.
[14:15] <Upu_M0UPU> see what happens @ 12km
[14:15] <_GMT_> 12km is the new twilight zone
[14:15] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> cheapo definately burst, went all wierd now drifting other way
[14:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> traces are back on 434.074
[14:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> maybe it got above the tropo reflections
[14:16] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gone again
[14:17] <cyclops> monty going pretty fast descending
[14:18] <bertrik> as soon as MONTY is out of range, I'll switch to XABEN
[14:18] <db_g6gzh_> still in thin air cyclops
[14:18] Action: m0tnr swaps the radio to XABEN and wanders off for lunch.
[14:18] <db_g6gzh_> it'll slow down
[14:18] <cyclops> -20.2 m/s?
[14:18] <bertrik> cyclops: I think, just after burst, speed is often like -60m/s
[14:18] <cyclops> thats going down isnt it?
[14:19] <cyclops> I see
[14:19] <cyclops> its now going slowly
[14:19] <bertrik> -12m/s at 10km or so
[14:19] <cyclops> in about 2-3 weeks you'll se "Al-Andalus" in spacenear.us
[14:19] <db_g6gzh_> if you look at the altitude graph you'll see the descent is a curve
[14:20] <cyclops> Away from UK :P
[14:20] <Upu_M0UPU> CHEAPO signal as gone to pot
[14:20] <cyclops> I see db
[14:21] <cyclops> the optimal "crash" velicity is about 5m/s isnt it?
[14:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> here to cheapo is very low sound
[14:21] <cyclops> *speed
[14:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dial for uxaben?
[14:22] <_GMT_> .355 ish
[14:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> _GMT_ thanks
[14:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> MONTY Sigs breaking up
[14:23] <Herman-PB0AHX> now only red lines from cheapo
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[14:23] <Iain_G4SGX_Garde> some crazy drifting off ceapo, cant keep up
[14:24] <OZ1SKY_Brian> alt back on cheapo
[14:25] <_GMT_> Im taking the easy way out ... switched to uXABEN
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> Oh look Cheapo knows where it si
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> I call pedestrial mode
[14:25] <Upu_M0UPU> pedestrian
[14:25] <cyclops> the fd dlgi software automaticly uploads data to space near?
[14:26] <chrisstubbs> will have to investigate that
[14:26] <Upu_M0UPU> on the plus side the landing position will be accurate to within 2m
[14:26] <chrisstubbs> to set flightmode=0 in the telem it MUST have put it into flight mode and got the ACK
[14:26] <chrisstubbs> maybe gps reset?
[14:26] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[14:26] <Upu_M0UPU> bang on 12km
[14:26] <Upu_M0UPU> not in flight mode
[14:26] <chrisstubbs> strange
[14:27] <chrisstubbs> oh well back to life now, we are heading to landing location
[14:27] <Upu_M0UPU> debrief later
[14:27] <chrisstubbs> it might just beat us there though :/
[14:27] <Upu_M0UPU> go recover :)
[14:27] <chrisstubbs> got my catching gloves on
[14:27] <cyclops> Even following a balloon from home is cool
[14:27] <bertrik> MONTY signal is breaking up here at elevation 0.4, I'm switching to uXABEN and XABEN now
[14:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Go chrisstubbs :D
[14:28] <mikestir> uxaben burst?
[14:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Lost MONTY, over to uXABEN
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[14:30] <Upu_M0UPU> Cheapo stuck alt again
[14:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> did someone put a stopsign at 31km today?
[14:31] <[1]chrisstubbs> god knows whats wrong with that then
[14:31] <[1]chrisstubbs> makes for a crappy "backup tracker"
[14:31] <number10_M0MDB> [1]chrisstubbs: next time you lauch - use monty as backup
[14:32] <number10_M0MDB> ;)
[14:32] <db_g6gzh_> Ah, that's better, reloaded spacenear and now all the payloads are different colours.
[14:32] <bertrik> oh wow, uXABEN is falling at a slow pace
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[14:33] <Upu_M0UPU> suspect its not very heavy
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[14:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> loving the cheapo predicted path atm :-)
[14:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah gone again
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[14:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice solid sigs from uXABEN in Crayford
[14:36] <cyclops> It seems predictions tend to work :P
[14:36] <Jess--> that altitude graph for cheapo looks horribly familiar
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[14:38] <Jess--> reminds me of my balcan payloads where the gps didn't switch into flight mode
[14:39] <cyclops> It seems Monty will land near predicted spot
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[14:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Upu_M0UPU: Question, the $ in the received sentences, They are not counted towards the checksum?
[14:41] <chrisstubbs> M0VBR please chaf you cannge to MONTY
[14:41] <chrisstubbs> *change to MONTY if you can
[14:41] <chrisstubbs> see how close we can track this to the ground
[14:42] <Jess--> will do, have been jumping around them all
[14:42] <db_g6gzh_> I'll stick with monty but I have some local interference
[14:42] <bertrik> uXABEN is drifting down for me now
[14:43] <Jess--> Monty is strong and clear here
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[14:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> G0TDJ_Steve: the checksum is for everything between but not including the $ and *
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> prediction looks concerining for monty
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> cant land in a road again...
[14:46] <Jess--> 0.4 degrees above horizon for me now
[14:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers fsphil_MI0VIM I did wonder because I got corrrect decodes despite different numbers of $ chars
[14:46] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea, fldigi only looks for two
[14:47] <db_g6gzh_> losing it now
[14:47] <chrisstubbs> we lost it here
[14:47] <Jess--> gone from here too
[14:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Loosing uXABEN
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[14:48] <db_g6gzh_> had a partial decode but Jess uploaded the same one
[14:48] <db_g6gzh_> good luck with recovery
[14:48] <Jess--> switched to uxaben
[14:49] <LeoBodnar> G0TDJ_Steve: no, they are no
[14:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Leo :-)
[14:49] <cyclops> Guys
[14:49] <cyclops> Maybe silly qustion
[14:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> XABEN Very weak here. I'll leave it decoding - I have to pop out
[14:50] <cyclops> If i want to use APRS, there is the need to put a "License code" on the beggining
[14:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> license code?
[14:50] <cyclops> Its possible that someone lends you their license code for that?
[14:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you mean callsign?
[14:50] <mattbrejza> hmm monty might be in the middle of that park
[14:50] <cyclops> Probably
[14:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yes, but it would be under the terms of their license. and it would be them repsonsible for it
[14:51] <bertrik> XABEN is still very weak here, while uXABEN is still OK, despite XABEN now higher than uXABEN
[14:51] Nick change: Jess-- -> Jess--M0VBR
[14:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> See you soon Guys
[14:51] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[14:51] <Jess--M0VBR> just realised I hadnt shown callsign in here
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[14:52] <cyclops> Humm
[14:52] <cyclops> so i might stick with RTTY then
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[14:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> probably easlier
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[14:54] <cyclops> YEp, as i dont have time to get the license
[14:55] <Jess--M0VBR> cyclops: if you are in the UK you could get your foundation license in less than 6 hours work
[14:55] <Upu_M0UPU> still won't let you transmit APRS in the air though
[14:55] <cyclops> Spain
[14:56] <cyclops> Much difficult here
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[14:56] <G4MYS_2_Andy> the radio hams is fairly easy: they will ask you to draw a picture of a cat if you can do that you will pass as you have shown that you can understand and follow instructions! to be honest its not much more difficult its been dumbed down a very long way!
[14:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> cyclops how can that be, all i seem to hear on HF is spain :-)
[14:57] <cyclops> Ill have another look
[14:57] <homewld> why has the text in my dlfigi changed from black to purple??
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[14:57] <m0tnr> is m0tnr still following MONTY?
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[14:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dial for xaben pse?
[14:59] <_GMT_> .354 ish
[14:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no xaben1
[14:59] <_GMT_> poss .354.4
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[15:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 434650ish?
[15:00] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Do I perceive correctly XABEN is a floater?
[15:00] <jon__> 434.651ish
[15:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jon__ thanks
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[15:01] <db_g6gzh_> looks like monty made it to the edge of the recreation ground
[15:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will have a try at x-monkey (translated to danish)
[15:02] <S_Mark> Hello
[15:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hello S_Mark
[15:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi S_Mark congrats to your talk :)
[15:03] <S_Mark> Ah thanks!
[15:03] <cyclops> Espanish digital administration= CAOS
[15:03] <S_Mark> Yeah we didn't have long to prepare
[15:03] <cyclops> Cant find the info I want
[15:03] <S_Mark> Think it went ok
[15:03] <craag> S_Mark: Your talk was very highly praised from the AMSAT folks.
[15:03] <craag> Well done!
[15:04] <bertrik> XABEN is now nice and strong for me, I set the shift to 400 Hz though
[15:04] <S_Mark> Ah cool thats ok then! Glad they liked it
[15:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> S_Mark loved it, expecilly the cheep part had me lol
[15:04] <S_Mark> haha
[15:05] <chrisstubbs> easiest
[15:05] <chrisstubbs> recovery
[15:05] <chrisstubbs> EVER
[15:05] <db_g6gzh_> road or front garden ?
[15:05] <S_Mark> Awesome
[15:05] <Jess--M0VBR> nice one chrisstubbs
[15:06] <G4MYS_2_Andy> see monty 1 has relaunched!
[15:06] <chrisstubbs> straight along the pavement
[15:06] <mattbrejza> photos?
[15:06] <mattbrejza> (not necessarily now)
[15:07] <chrisstubbs> uploading one now
[15:07] <G4MYS_2_Andy> wonder whos nicking that?
[15:07] <chrisstubbs> cheapo has fixed itself
[15:08] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Chepo seems to wandered off!
[15:08] <chrisstubbs> bloody thing
[15:08] <chrisstubbs> will it blend?
[15:09] <G4MYS_2_Andy> possably wrapped round someone TV aerial?!!!
[15:10] <Steve_2E0VET> any D-STAR users on here?
[15:11] <Laurenceb__> xaben heading for me :P
[15:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> chrisstubbs look out for the beatles crossing
[15:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Steve_2E0VET done abit of d-star
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[15:14] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Its of interest that street view on Google shows a house at Montys drop zone to have a massive TV aerial system so could it be wrapped round that?
[15:14] <chrisstubbs> landed on the drive of no.47
[15:15] <chrisstubbs> you can see him pull up in his car and move the payload onto the street
[15:15] <chrisstubbs> from the images
[15:15] <Jess--M0VBR> $$$$$uXABEN,793,15:13:24,52.80331,-0.57825,379,1.89,26.1R11,02F0.A4C1
[15:15] <Jess--M0VBR> last from uxaben
[15:15] <G4MYS_2_Andy> the house next door has the big aerial system
[15:16] <Laurenceb__> uXABEN burst is predicted for directly over my house :P
[15:16] <Jess--M0VBR> anyone able to switch the R for a , in that last string and upload?
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[15:20] <chrisstubbs> MONTY and CHEAPO landing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/9333403309/
[15:20] <Jess--M0VBR> gotta head out, leaving RX on xaben (as long as it doesnt drift more than 2khz it should stay uploading
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[15:23] <cyclops> guys any way to prevent condensation on camera lenses?
[15:24] <G0TDJ_AFK> Well done chrisstubbs :D
[15:24] Nick change: G0TDJ_AFK -> G0TDJ_Steve
[15:24] <G0TDJ_Steve> S_Mark: As in Stratodean?
[15:24] <S_Mark> Hello yep
[15:25] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hi, Well done on your presentation, I enjoyed it a lot
[15:25] <S_Mark> Ah brilliant thanks very much
[15:25] <x-f> cyclops, don't put anything in front of it
[15:26] <S_Mark> We had just moved house so didn't have too long to prepare
[15:26] <cyclops> so bare camera exposed
[15:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> S_Mark: Well, it looked nice and spontaneous.
[15:26] <cyclops> Ok!
[15:26] <cyclops> No windows or something like that you mean?
[15:26] <S_Mark> Haha thats ok then
[15:27] <x-f> cyclops, yep
[15:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> I understand you'll be at the conference?
[15:27] <cyclops> ok"
[15:27] <cyclops> !
[15:28] <S_Mark> Yes we'll be attending
[15:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> Great stuff, it will be a pleasure to meet you
[15:29] <S_Mark> Ah great you too
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[15:30] <Jonathan_G4KLX> It looks like XABEN is set to land in the Via Gellia, good luck with finding that!
[15:31] <bertrik> XABEN has quite an audience with receivers now :)
[15:31] <bertrik> 18 or so
[15:31] <Jonathan_G4KLX> It's very strong here (IO93JE) but no cable to the RX.
[15:32] <gb73d> http://www.bigspaceballoon.co.uk/index.php
[15:32] <mikestir> i'm finding it pretty weak, but I might need to swing the yagi around a bit
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[15:32] <G0TDJ_Steve> Jonathan_G4KLX: mikestir XABEN Begining to break a little here, despite strong sigs.
[15:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the exat shift for XABEN, i have 3 traces here?
[15:35] <db_g6gzh_> 395
[15:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes got one at 400
[15:35] <bertrik> OZ1SKY_Brian: I have it at 400
[15:37] <cyclops> How much does a Amateur Radio license cost in UK?
[15:37] <g0hww> nothing
[15:37] <steve-g7vrk> free
[15:37] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, free i think or maybe a tenner
[15:37] <cyclops> O:
[15:37] <cyclops> Here in spain
[15:37] <cyclops> 22¬ Exam
[15:37] <cyclops> 154¬ Your identification number
[15:37] <steve-g7vrk> well you have pay for exam
[15:38] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, yeah thats because you have better weather and need air con lol
[15:38] <cyclops> Too expensive
[15:38] <bertrik> XABEN comes in at about 27 dB S/N (according to dl-fldigi) at about 330 km distance :)
[15:39] <craag> cyclops: 27.50 for the exam fee.
[15:39] <craag> in the uk
[15:39] <cyclops> And then nothing more?
[15:40] <craag> Need to find somewhere to invigilate the exam though, and they aren't often done for free.
[15:40] <craag> UKHAS conf will be doing them for 27.50 after conf ticket.
[15:41] <cyclops> Definitely ill stick with RTTY as it doesnt need license
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> is XABEN still operating
[15:41] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[15:41] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[15:41] <bertrik> yes
[15:43] <homewld> $$$XABEN,734,15:42:35,52.94653,-0.27610,20964,43F0,4.41*7537
[15:45] <Steve_2E0VET> would anyone recommend (for a nooob) programming the arduino with RF & GPS
[15:46] <mattbrejza> yes i would recommend it
[15:46] <eroomde> that's a pretty standard nooob path to hab enlightenment
[15:46] <eroomde> you#'d be in good company
[15:46] <eroomde> arduino + gps + ntx2
[15:47] <Steve_2E0VET> i thought as much... is it pretty easy to do. I have seen a quick tutorial regarding RTTY on the UKHAB site, but not sure if I could combine both
[15:48] <eroomde> well, it's somewhat intentionally not-quite-enough-all-in-one-place
[15:48] <Steve_2E0VET> eroomde, I looked at that route then thought about buying a premade one using the TM2, a little more expensive ut I wouldnt have done it myself
[15:48] <eroomde> it's designed to be enough of a starting point that you can hopefully figure out how to combine them yourself.
[15:48] <eroomde> initially it will look like an alien language
[15:49] <eroomde> and you'll wonder what the hell, this-is-all-too-complicated
[15:49] <eroomde> but if you just take one bit (eg the ntx2 interface code) and work through it line-by-line trying to udnerstand it (with refernce to here and google) you'll quickly start to pick up how to program and structure things
[15:49] <Steve_2E0VET> i've tried java,php & C## so it shouldn't look too alien
[15:50] <eroomde> ah rightly
[15:50] <eroomde> head-start then
[15:50] <Steve_2E0VET> where is the main index for the wiki's on UKHAS
[15:50] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/?do=index
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[15:51] <Steve_2E0VET> eroomde, thnaks muchness
[15:51] <eroomde> np
[15:52] <eroomde> you can do it with any docuwiki site by affixing ?do=index to the url
[15:52] <eroomde> good luck, it's a bit chaotic as you probably already realise
[15:52] <eroomde> 'organic' is the generous spin :)
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[15:53] <mfa298> searching using google for "ukhas <what you want>" generally has good results
[15:53] <eroomde> yes that too
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[15:55] <_GMT_> GMT goes off to seach for "UKHAS cold beer"!
[15:55] <eroomde> that's in the post-chase guide, i think
[15:55] <mfa298> although I'm dissapointed, "ukhas meaning of life" didn't provide the meaning of life, but does give the Bob payload which looks like it could be of use.
[15:55] <eroomde> there must be some hab-sinspired pub nme
[15:55] <eroomde> like golf clubs have The 19th Hole
[15:56] <_GMT_> well, down near gloucester/swindon there is an 'Air Balloon' pub
[15:56] <eroomde> The Smelly Latex
[15:56] <eroomde> (wrong kind of bar)
[15:56] <_GMT_> The Helium Leak
[15:56] <S_Mark> _GMT_: very nice pub!
[15:56] <eroomde> The Rising Gas
[15:57] <_GMT_> The GPS Fail
[15:57] <_GMT_> The Meridian Line Failure (nothing to do with The Big Bang Theory)
[15:59] <eroomde> The Buggy Parser
[16:00] <SpeedEvil> And for the seedy side - Ultraviolet Degradation.
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[16:02] <bertrik> The green line
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[16:05] <number10_M0MDB> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/preview/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x48711a854fbe01f1:0xda4409f96ea1cc61!2m5!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i100!3m1!7e1&q=Air+Balloon,+Birdlip,+Gloucestershire.
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[16:05] <Steve_2E0VET> how does the NTX2 coupe with temperature, anyone known it to stop working?
[16:06] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[16:07] <Upu_M0UPU> afternoon jcoxon
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[16:08] <Steve_2E0VET> part of me wants to get his (upu) new project based on TM2 but part of me wants to do it myself... just dont want to lose first payload
[16:08] <chrisstubbs> RocketBoy, what balloon were you using today?
[16:09] <cyclops> Steve_2E0VET: If I had the time I wouldnt order Upus Habduino
[16:09] <mfa298> Steve_2E0VET: depending on what balloon you're using you might find someone that would lend you a backup tracker - or someone that has a tracker they've built they want to fly as well.
[16:09] <Steve_2E0VET> are there many people monitoring round south/mid wales., not sure where to launch first wales or west yorkshire
[16:09] <cyclops> Muy my launch is due in August so I cant risk
[16:10] <Willdude123> Hi
[16:10] <mfa298> Steve_2E0VET: there have been a few flights landing around the brecon beacons which have been tracked by a few people a reasonable way down.
[16:10] <Steve_2E0VET> i know its risky/fool hardy but would like to launch n 2 weeks (CAA approval and all that)
[16:11] <cyclops> Same timing Steve_2E0VET
[16:11] <Steve_2E0VET> i need to speak to CAA tomorrow because on the form it says "full postal Address of site", but all i know is its a large field lol
[16:12] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, but i havent even bought anything yet
[16:12] <jcoxon> Steve_2E0VET, my first piece of advice is patience! don't rush
[16:12] <cyclops> ANYTHING?
[16:13] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, oh i have an srduino and Rpi
[16:13] <Steve_2E0VET> arduino
[16:13] <cyclops> I have the cameras, micro sd cards, and batts on its way home
[16:13] <Steve_2E0VET> i cannot see it happening if i'm honest
[16:14] <cyclops> Antennas, backup SDR arrive next week
[16:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> Why that dealine Steve_2E0VET ?
[16:14] <Steve_2E0VET> ive got a pi camera and tons of SD cards lol
[16:14] <cyclops> And at home allready the arduino and the FUncube Dongle
[16:14] <Steve_2E0VET> G0TDJ_Steve, I'm eager
[16:14] <cyclops> Only balloon and helium left to order
[16:14] <cyclops> oh, and parachute
[16:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Steve_2E0VET I go with jcoxon You'd be better off not rushing and putting yourself together a tracker that you really understand.
[16:15] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, oh yes the Funcude!!! I am still deebating wether to get the FCD or a cheapo SDR
[16:15] <cyclops> I went with both
[16:15] <Steve_2E0VET> i dont suppose chucking it all in a morrisions bag wis advisable is it
[16:15] <cyclops> Ill go with 2 laps and 2 antennas
[16:16] <cyclops> Just in case one fails
[16:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> Noooot really, no
[16:16] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, thats taking DR a little too far lol
[16:16] <cyclops> DR?
[16:16] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, disaster recovery
[16:16] <jcoxon> i assume XABEN is going for float
[16:16] <cyclops> Oh
[16:17] <cyclops> Well the antenna and BAckup SDR are only ~25¬
[16:17] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, have you used the FCD much
[16:17] <cyclops> It arrived 3 days ago
[16:17] <cyclops> And althought i dont have antenna
[16:17] <cyclops> It received some local radio stations
[16:17] <cyclops> with noise but you could hear
[16:17] <Steve_2E0VET> yeah i saw you say that yesterday
[16:18] <cyclops> Ill test it further when antennas are delivered
[16:18] <cyclops> and extensivelsy when Upu delivers the Tracker
[16:18] <Steve_2E0VET> how long did the FCD take to arrive
[16:18] <Martin_G4FUI> The FCDPP is _much_ better than a cheap SDR at most things, in my experience
[16:19] <cyclops> It was really fast
[16:19] <JFS1> Dial for XABEN?
[16:19] <cyclops> I live in spain
[16:19] <cyclops> South spain
[16:19] <Steve_2E0VET> Martin_G4FUI, is that "much better" or "much much better"
[16:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> JFS1: 434.651.43
[16:19] <cyclops> Ordered it the 17th, and at 8AM on the 18th was dispatched
[16:19] <JFS1> Thanks.
[16:19] <Steve_2E0VET> cyclops, which gps are you using?
[16:19] <cyclops> It arrived home the same day at about 6pm
[16:19] <Martin_G4FUI> They are in a different league, like England vs Australia :)
[16:20] <cyclops> I think Upu uses the UBLOX max 7 on the HAbduino
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> there is no comparison between a FCD and a SDR
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> one is a toy
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> that sort of works
[16:20] <cyclops> Yes Steve_2E0VET Ublox MAX7 GPS designed for high altitude use.
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> one is USB powered awesome
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> early models may have MAX6's on cyclops
[16:20] <Upu_M0UPU> simplly because I don't have any MAX7's left
[16:20] <BrainDamage> except both are SDR :P
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> DABTV Dongle
[16:21] <Martin_G4FUI> FCD has better front end/noise figure, better stability, better dynamic range
[16:21] <cyclops> AFAIK its proven to work isnt it upu?
[16:21] Action: BrainDamage </pedant>
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> MAX6 ?
[16:21] <cm13g09> some interesting GPS points today :P
[16:21] <cyclops> Yes, It is more widely tested than 7 isnt it?
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah very proven only slight difference is you may get some more life out of the batteries with a 7
[16:21] <Upu_M0UPU> but nothing thats going to cause any issues
[16:21] <cyclops> Max high
[16:21] <Martin_G4FUI> But in terms of bang per buck they're probably quite close ...
[16:22] <Martin_G4FUI> One its 10dB better, the other is 10dB cheaper
[16:23] <cyclops> No problem Upu_M0UPU as long as it works :P
[16:23] <Steve_2E0VET> I really need to make my mind up about the TM2 or NTX2- its a difficult one
[16:23] <Upu_M0UPU> LMT2 Steve_2E0VET ?
[16:24] <Steve_2E0VET> Upu_M0UPU, yeah but then I wont have done it myself, you will have done it for me lol
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> use the NTX2 initially
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> its easier to work with, fits in protoboard easily whereas the LMT2 doesn't
[16:24] <db_g6gzh_> I got a RTLSDR just to play with and have actually be quite impressed for the money.
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[16:25] <x-f> cyclops, do you have a team there or it's a solo project?
[16:25] <cyclops> Well its my solo project for school
[16:26] <chrisstubbs> Put a few photos from todays launch up: http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/
[16:26] <cyclops> But Ive got some help of a Telecos engeenier
[16:26] <cyclops> And family
[16:26] <mikestir> the rtlsdr with habamp certainly seems to have adequate noise performance, at least in a built up area. connecting the antenna lifts the noise floor
[16:26] <cyclops> At laucnh we will be at least 3
[16:26] <x-f> cyclops, ok, that's good
[16:27] <cyclops> I have the help needed
[16:27] <cyclops> And a VW Touareg
[16:27] <cyclops> 4x4 Just in case
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[16:27] <x-f> hehe :)
[16:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one chrisstubbs
[16:29] <_GMT_> chrisstubbs: did the cat enjoy its flight?
[16:29] <cyclops> awesome pictures chrisstubbs
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[16:34] <Steve_2E0VET> brb
[16:34] <RocketBoy> uXABEN recovered - easy field - just before the trees -whew
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[16:35] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:36] <chrisstubbs> RocketBoy, nice work!
[16:36] <chrisstubbs> what balloon was that?
[16:37] <chrisstubbs> _GMT_ Yes it did :)
[16:37] <chrisstubbs> Will get some pics up from the gopro when we get home
[16:37] <RocketBoy> cheers - spunds like u got monty back chrisstubbs
[16:37] <cm13g09> damnit
[16:37] <cm13g09> I missed it all today
[16:38] <chrisstubbs> Yeah we did. Cheapo was a bit pants (as per)
[16:38] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: you still planning stuff this week?
[16:38] <RocketBoy> its the one thats still up thats the "special one"
[16:39] <Steve_2E0VET> Upu_M0UPU, if i ordered a NTX2 and GPS tomorrow how long for delivery?
[16:39] <RocketBoy> yea - looks like a float
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09 yeah wednesday or thursday we will do a flight
[16:40] Action: cm13g09 plugs in RTLSDR
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> RocketBoy, what balloon was on uxaben?
[16:41] <Martin_G4FUI> Have you worked out what the CHEAPO telemetry problem was, chrisstubbs ?
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[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> Steve_2E0VET first class is 1 to 2 days
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[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> if you pay for Special - Tuesday
[16:42] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/U8IGKKL.jpg
[16:44] <cm13g09> is XABEN really still up?
[16:44] <bertrik> yes
[16:44] <cm13g09> or ok
[16:44] Action: cm13g09 tries to find it
[16:45] <cm13g09> dial frequency for XABEN?
[16:46] <bertrik> 434.653.1 here
[16:47] <cm13g09> hmm
[16:47] <cm13g09> I guess that antenna isn't terribly resonant on 70cm :P
[16:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> 434.651.43 over here in Crayford cm13g09
[16:48] <cm13g09> G0TDJ_Steve: cheers
[16:48] <cyclops> Upu_M0UPU: do you have this connector on your shop? http://i.imgur.com/WpZEFYJ.jpg
[16:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Track is a little low but I have it solid
[16:49] <cm13g09> yeah
[16:49] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Why does the UBX wiki example say to connect rx to rx?
[16:49] <cm13g09> I've just got fuzz on the waterfall
[16:49] <Upu_M0UPU> yes cyclops
[16:49] <Upu_M0UPU> SMA end launch
[16:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> It is a little in the noise with me
[16:49] <Upu_M0UPU> Willdude123 link me
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[16:49] <daveake> Cheapo a bit broken?
[16:49] <Willdude123> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[16:50] <daveake> not in flight mode?
[16:50] <cyclops> Add one to my bill
[16:50] <cyclops> :P
[16:50] <cm13g09> I appear to be failing to recieve
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[16:52] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea will dude
[16:52] <Upu_M0UPU> incorrect
[16:52] <Upu_M0UPU> fixed
[16:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> cm13g09: http://i.imgur.com/bjI4s7I.jpg My track of XABEN
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[16:53] <cm13g09> heh - I'm on an RTLSDR with an antenna designed for 2m
[16:53] <cm13g09> it just happens to work for 70cm as well....
[16:53] <cm13g09> sometimes
[16:53] <bertrik> cm13g09: do you have the tuner gain turned up?
[16:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> THe antenna probably has a relationship to 70cms anyway. Our bands aren't spaced for no reason :-)
[16:54] <RocketBoy> XABEN is a 600g synthetic rubber ballon
[16:54] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Strangely, it seemed to work like that sometimes.
[16:54] <cm13g09> bertrik: yes, at 19dB
[16:54] <RocketBoy> balloon with 200g of patload
[16:55] <cm13g09> now down at 1.5dB
[16:55] <RocketBoy> uv resistant
[16:55] <Upu_M0UPU> which appears to be floating
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[16:55] <bertrik> in my experience, you need to go near full gain, unless you have an habamp already in front of it
[16:56] <Upu_M0UPU> right afk cooking
[16:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> That's a damn fine idea from Upu_M0UPU
[16:56] <RocketBoy> that was the aim - but the ar was higher than i wanted
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[16:56] <cm13g09> bertrik: ok
[16:57] <Steve55> Anyone in the Yorkshire area intrested in helping/supervising me on my first launch whenever that may be hopefully within next 6-8 weeks
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[16:57] <cm13g09> I do, however, appear to only be getting 3kHz bandwidth to dl-fldigi
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[17:01] <cm13g09> Surely I should get two peaks... right?
[17:01] Action: cm13g09 cannot find the peaks
[17:01] <fsphil> xaben is a bit weak here
[17:02] <fsphil> was it suppose to float? :)
[17:03] <Willdude123> Oh superb.
[17:03] <fsphil> cm13g09: the maximum you can get in fldigi is 4khz
[17:03] <Willdude123> The GPS is, again txing all sentences, despite me trying to turn them all off.
[17:04] <RocketBoy> fsphil: i was hoping it wold float
[17:04] <fsphil> ah
[17:04] <Willdude123> Right I'd best figure out how to read ack packets then.
[17:05] <fsphil> not sure why I'm not getting a good signal
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[17:05] <fsphil> this is with the fcd++ rather than the original fcd
[17:06] <Willdude123> How do I read for an ack packet?
[17:06] <Willdude123> Or nack
[17:06] <Martin_G4FUI> Amazing number of stations within the XABEN bullseye now!
[17:06] Action: fsphil needs yagis
[17:06] <cyclops> Have to go
[17:06] <cyclops> cya all!
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[17:07] <Martin_G4FUI> Maybe you should phase a couple, fsphil :)
[17:07] <fsphil> that's my plan when I get the rotator :)
[17:07] <fsphil> though there's also the plan to put up 1x 70cm and 1x 2m
[17:07] <fsphil> for satellites
[17:08] <Willdude123> So how should I check to see if my message was acked?
[17:08] <Willdude123> It works on the 'duino
[17:08] <Willdude123> I am reading nmea, however, it includes all sentences, after I turned all off.
[17:09] <fsphil> arg, gqrx keeps crashing
[17:09] Action: fsphil is having no luck today at all
[17:10] <daveake> Willdude123 are you txing 8 bits to ublox?
[17:11] <Willdude123> Ah should have noticed, I hadn't changed the default.
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[17:12] <Willdude123> It needs to be eight, doesn't it.
[17:13] <Willdude123> daveake: Changed to 8N1, still rxing everything.
[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> awesome http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/07/the-3-most-exciting-words-in-science-right-now-the-pitch-dropped/277919/
[17:15] <Willdude123> daveake: It seems trying to read ack packets is the only way forward.
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[17:16] <daveake> No
[17:16] <Willdude123> I could try a loopback.
[17:16] <daveake> You could try sending the commands
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[17:16] <Willdude123> I am.
[17:16] <daveake> If you send them, correct settings, pin connected, they will work
[17:16] <daveake> So you're missing one of those
[17:17] <daveake> Reading for acks may well help you find out what's wrong but won't in itself fix anything
[17:17] <Willdude123> Yeah
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[17:18] <Willdude123> Well, the code is set to 8N1 so should be fine.
[17:18] <Willdude123> So that's the the 2nd one eliminated.
[17:18] <Willdude123> Correct setting, yep. pin connected, double checked.
[17:19] <Willdude123> Sending them, yep http://pastie.org/8161612
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[17:21] <Willdude123> daveake: so it should work.
[17:22] <daveake> I think you'll find that reality overrides "should"
[17:22] <daveake> Do *all* the sentence types continue to come in?
[17:23] <Willdude123> I'll just check
[17:24] <Willdude123> All except ZDA
[17:25] <Willdude123> They don't come in in any obvious order http://pastie.org/8161618
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[17:29] <daveake> As a test, change \r\n to \n
[17:29] <daveake> not sure there might be translation going on
[17:30] <RocketBoy> heading home - afk
[17:30] <Willdude123> Maybe from now on I'll test with just one
[17:31] <Willdude123> daveake: Doesn't work, still txing everything.
[17:32] <daveake> ok put that back then
[17:32] <Jonathan_G4KLX> I can here XABEN but my location doesn't appear on the map, but at least I'm listed :-)
[17:33] <Jonathan_G4KLX> I've appeared now.
[17:35] <Willdude123> I had the same problem while testing it with the ftdi cable.
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[17:37] <Willdude123> daveake: I'm out of ideas.
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[17:37] <Willdude123> It worked on the arduino.
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[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Very slow net connection here not sure anything is getting to the server!
[17:39] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Any ideas?
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[17:44] <Willdude123> Oh <omit word> I really can't figure out what's wrong.
[17:45] <Willdude123> For <omit word>'s sake, this is really <omit word> annoying.
[17:46] <Upu_M0UPU> Willdude123 only warning
[17:46] <Upu_M0UPU> take a break
[17:48] <rharrison> ping Steve55 , I'm sure upu or I would be happy to help if we're free
[17:49] <Upu_M0UPU> what am I being volunteered for ? :)
[17:49] <rharrison> Help launch in Yorkshire
[17:49] <Upu_M0UPU> oh yeah
[17:49] <rharrison> :-)
[17:49] <Steve55> Cheers guys
[17:49] <Upu_M0UPU> We got permission to launch from Beckfoot School 5 min from my work btw Rob
[17:50] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: What for?
[17:50] <rharrison> Upu_M0UPU, cool DM is good with schools
[17:50] <Steve55> Is that permission from caa or the school
[17:50] <Upu_M0UPU> I've told you even obfuscating the words isn't acceptable, its you getting frustrated on channel thats the issue
[17:50] <Upu_M0UPU> CAA
[17:50] <Upu_M0UPU> the launch is for the school
[17:51] <Upu_M0UPU> You didn't call me up on Friday did you ?
[17:51] <Willdude123> Sorry, but I really can't figure it out, and there seems to be no other ways of finding the problem
[17:51] <Willdude123> At all
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> or was that the other Steve
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> getting confused tbh :)
[17:52] <Steve55> Upu was that question to me
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> yes Steve55
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> Oh I think it was Steve 2E0VET who called me on Friday
[17:52] <Upu_M0UPU> he's up North too
[17:53] <Martin_G4FUI> XABEN bending the virtual S-Meter here, Dl-fldigi reporting 35dB+ SNR ast times
[17:53] <Steve_2E0VET> upu i am one and the same
[17:53] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Well, what should I do now then? I've tried everything I can think of
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> too many people called Steve
[17:53] <Steve_2E0VET> trying to sort kifds for bed for steve55 is on my android
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> ah so same person
[17:53] <Upu_M0UPU> gotcha
[17:54] <Steve_2E0VET> yep...
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[17:54] <Steve_2E0VET> think i will stick to just one machine
[17:54] <Upu_M0UPU> Willdude123 I don't know what you are trying to do but the basics of problem solving are break it down into its most simple components, rule out what it isn't and go from there
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[17:58] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll be interested to see what happens to XABEN when it transistions into night
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[18:02] <nigelvh> Morning everyone.
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[18:04] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S01WIz710dE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[18:05] <nigelvh> Haha
[18:05] <nigelvh> It's like "none shall pass"
[18:05] <arko> I'm at the Getty museum
[18:05] <arko> Cool parking
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[18:06] <arko> Its an exhibit about LA's architecture history
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko
[18:06] <mfa298> Willdude123: if you wanted to keep on coding something but you're struggling with one bit work on something else for a bit. e.g. make your code reckognise the strings you want and ignore anything else.
[18:07] <Willdude123> mfa298: But then I'll never get my actual problem solved.
[18:08] <mfa298> Willdude123: the idea is that you can go back to the original problem later.
[18:08] <mfa298> sometimes you just need to work on something else for a bit
[18:08] <daveake> good advice ^
[18:08] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: The GPS isn't accepting my commands, that's the issue.
[18:08] <Steve_2E0VET> Upu_M0UPU, does the Ardunio /maxt6 assembled come with antenna
[18:09] <daveake> Doesn't matter actually just ignore the sentences you don't need
[18:09] <daveake> However, sooner or later you *have* to send stuff to it to enter flight mode
[18:09] <Willdude123> daveake: What about if I want to use UBX proprietary method?
[18:09] <daveake> So you need to get that bit working
[18:09] <Willdude123> Yeah
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[18:10] <Willdude123> So I'll work on this for a bit, come back to my original problem later so I end up getting incredibly frustrated another time, as opposed to now.
[18:10] <mfa298> Willdude123: I'm not saying don't fix the issue, just work on something else for a bit that's useful and you can (hopefully) make some progress on.
[18:11] <Upu_M0UPU> yes Steve_2E0VET
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Willdude123: Also - the brain is a wierd thing. You may find that not concentrating on something will let an answer percolate out.
[18:11] <mfa298> I've often found I've spent ages failing to fix an issue, work on something else for a bit and then inspiration hits on what else to look at for the original issue.
[18:11] <Willdude123> Hmm
[18:11] <Willdude123> I doubt it will.
[18:12] <mfa298> BE POSITIVE!
[18:12] <Willdude123> Well, a loopback does work
[18:12] <Willdude123> Okay!
[18:12] <Willdude123> Therefore the problem is not with the connection.
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> The brain cannot multitask in the foreground - at all. You can only timeslice.
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> If you move the task into the background, then some degree of multitasking can occur.
[18:13] <Lunar_Lander> so using a brain interrupt?
[18:13] <SpeedEvil> Recent 'your brain lies to you' amusing fact. Look at yourself in a mirror. Focus on one eye. Now, focus on the other eye. Your eyes move - but you don't feel them move, or see them move.
[18:13] <Willdude123> Haha lunar
[18:14] <Willdude123> Right got it only giving me GPGGA
[18:14] <Willdude123> Should I work on parsing it now?
[18:15] <mfa298> that's probably a good step
[18:17] <Herman-PB0AHX> compliments to the builder xaben I have a beautiful and very stable signal here
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[18:17] <Willdude123> Right, it's split up into each field.
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[18:22] <Willdude123> But I can't put it anywhere where it gets lock
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[18:24] <Willdude123> Superb.
[18:24] <Willdude123> I have 2 problems, none of which have solutions/
[18:25] <SpeedEvil> hy can't you put it where you can get lock?
[18:26] <Willdude123> Cables aren't long enough
[18:26] <SpeedEvil> If it's plugged into a laptop - can you simply unplug the laptop?
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[18:27] <Willdude123> A pc, and to the mains.
[18:28] <mikestir> don't know if it applies, but you may find you can get a fix just outside a window but not inside. Modern K glass windows will block GPS
[18:28] <SpeedEvil> Opening a window may be adequate.
[18:29] <Willdude123> It isn't.
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[18:35] <Willdude123> Great, I have 2 problems, with no solutions now. Hasn't that just made it all worse?
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[18:43] <Willdude123> So back to my original problem.
[18:43] <Willdude123> Still had no ideas.
[18:43] <Willdude123> Shame there's no test code for python.
[18:44] <Willdude123> If anyone wants to help, they're welcome to.
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[18:45] <mikestir> what are you stuck with?
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[18:45] <Willdude123> The GPS isn't rxing.
[18:45] <Willdude123> So it is showing all mesagges
[18:45] <Willdude123> *messages
[18:46] <Willdude123> Even though I disable some of them.
[18:46] <daveake_> I'm confused
[18:46] <mikestir> can you not just ignore the sentences you're not interested in for now? this would be a useful bit of code to get working anyway
[18:46] <daveake_> What was "<Willdude123> Right got it only giving me GPGGA" about then?
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[18:48] <Willdude123> daveake_: I was filtering it.
[18:48] <Willdude123> on the BBB
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[18:48] <daveake_> I see
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[18:48] <_GMT_> it's the GPGGA strings you want, so why not have a loop that checks the type and performs a sub-routine if it's GPGGA, otherwise it carries on looping
[18:48] <Willdude123> mikestir: I could but, I will need to tx to it in future.
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[18:50] <Willdude123> _GMT_: But that's not good, because if I can't tx to the gps, then I can't set flight mode.
[18:50] <Willdude123> I want to get this working.
[18:51] <mfa298> Willdude123: it's still good practice to check your getting things you expect from the GPS so this is code you should write anyway.
[18:52] <Willdude123> I am.
[18:52] <mfa298> First rule of programming never trust data that comes from an external source (users, hardware etc.)
[18:52] <Willdude123> I expected nothing.
[18:52] <Willdude123> I'm getting nothing.
[18:52] <mikestir> so you're getting no response to UBX packets?
[18:52] <Willdude123> Still, I really want to solve my initial problem, as I know it spits out what I expect.
[18:52] <Willdude123> When it gets lock
[18:53] <Willdude123> mikestir: I am not checking for ack packets, but no, txing to the UBX isn't working.
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[18:54] <Willdude123> So yeah
[18:54] <Willdude123> I have no solutions.
[18:54] <Willdude123> Nah screw it I'm gonna have to give up on this whole thing, besides, I have a headache, not sure whether that was from repetitively bashing my head in or from staring at a computer screen of hours.#
[18:54] <mikestir> and how confident are you that your UBX is encoded correctly?
[18:54] <mikestir> particularly checksum calculation
[18:55] <Willdude123> mikestir: Well, I got it off the wiki, so it must be correct.
[18:55] <Willdude123> 99.97%
[18:55] <mikestir> and you've not changed it?
[18:55] <Willdude123> Nope
[18:56] <db_g6gzh> Willdude123: what about levels, is your Arduino 5V and this 3V3?
[18:56] <Willdude123> Yeah
[18:56] <mfa298> it might be worth replacing the ublox with a connection to something else that does serial (ftdi to pc?) to see if what your sending shows up there.
[18:56] <db_g6gzh> so what's the GPS expecting level wise ?
[18:56] <Willdude123> 3v3
[18:56] <mikestir> so how did you deal with that?
[18:57] <Willdude123> Using the 3v3 serial on the board,
[18:58] <mfa298> Willdude123: which gps breakout do you have ?
[18:58] <Lunar_Lander> mfa298, I recently read that you should handle example code with great care, as, it was written there, you could get malware out of that
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[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> that should make people think
[18:59] <Gadget-Mac> Willdude123: You could of course post your code on something like pastebin, perhaps someone will spot something
[18:59] <mikestir> you certainly shouldn't use example code without understanding roughly what it is doing, for that reason
[18:59] <mfa298> Lunar_Lander: well there is the standard rule of don't believe half of what's on the internet. Just because it's on a wiki doesn't mean it works / is safe.
[19:00] <mikestir> especially applicable to pasting shell commands
[19:00] <Willdude123> mfa298: MAX-6 5v
[19:00] <mfa298> so it's a breakout for 5v being used with a 3v3 system. I think something should be obvious there....
[19:00] <Willdude123> It's gobbledegook
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:01] <Willdude123> My code isn't even running and it's printing.
[19:01] <mfa298> Willdude123: think about it the other way. Why does UPU sell 5v and 3v3 breakouts if you could use one breakout for both systems ?
[19:01] <Willdude123> mfa298: I'm using 3v3 rx and tx, there are pins for them.
[19:02] <Willdude123> Well, I soldered pins to 3v3 rx and tx
[19:02] <Willdude123> Ahah
[19:02] <Willdude123> I could be using a serial port that's already in use by something else then
[19:02] <mfa298> and what power supply are you giving it ?
[19:03] <Willdude123> 5v
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[19:03] <Willdude123> I may have discovered the error.
[19:03] <Willdude123> I will ask in #beagle
[19:03] <Iain_G4SGX> sorry. got disconnected and missed any response
[19:04] <mfa298> Willdude123: do you mean the BBB serial port is sending data (if you've got it connected to a PC)
[19:05] <mfa298> In which case that could be a problem.
[19:05] <Willdude123> Yes, even when my code isn't running.
[19:05] <Gadget-Mac> Willdude123: Which serial port are you using ?
[19:05] <Willdude123> UART2 (ttyo1)
[19:05] <mfa298> it could be worth using a serial port that isn't the first one (often the first serial device gets used for debug etc)
[19:05] <Willdude123> I best try with a different serial port.
[19:06] <Gadget-Mac> Willdude123: and which OS distro ?
[19:06] <mfa298> The other rule of programming it methodically prove every part works. (So prove that your serial data is going out the device with a known good way of testing - eg. ftdi cable)
[19:07] <Willdude123> Right
[19:07] <Willdude123> This is obviously being used for something else.
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[19:16] <Willdude123> There aren't many other serial ports, that don't share pins.
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[19:17] <Willdude123> ttyo1 was really my only option.
[19:17] <mfa298_> having shared pins is common on various devices. The question is are the shared with something you need.
[19:17] <Willdude123> I guess I can use ttyo5, but at the expense of hdmi,
[19:18] <Willdude123> I don't need that.
[19:18] <Willdude123> UART3 only has RTS and CYS
[19:18] <Willdude123> *CTS
[19:19] <mfa298_> if it's only got rts and cts I'm not sure it can be a uart (they're just flow control, you need some data pins as well!)
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[19:22] <G4MYS_2_Andy> Heavy rain over northam France headed over English channel if anyone remembers what Rain is!!
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[19:23] <mfa298_> ooh, does that mean the weather might become a bit more bearable.
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[19:25] <db_g6gzh> mfa298_: no, it'll just be more humid
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[19:25] <Willdude123> Oh ffs I've had enough of this, I'll do it in the morning.
[19:27] <mfa298_> well the plus side if it doesn't rain over night is I can leave the windows wide open and continue recieving XABEN
[19:28] <db_g6gzh> so, with XABEN staying up, I decided to have a go at setting up the RTLSDR and it's working quite well with the habamp using gqrx on linux
[19:28] <db_g6gzh> however
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> is xaben on .650 ? We tried to get it in the car but no luck :(
[19:29] <db_g6gzh> every now and then dl-fldigi stops properly decoding and I can fix it by turning off and on DSP processing in gqrx
[19:29] <mfa298_> I think it's a lot weaker than the others I only heard it after I would expect to (based on Monty)
[19:29] <chrisstubbs> ah okay. Cheapo needs looking into :P
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, how is it going?
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[19:30] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, pretty good thanks. I just got home and got some food down the hatch
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:30] <chrisstubbs> Might go unload the car and take a look at cheapo now
[19:30] <db_g6gzh> anyone else seen that ? The audio sounds the same and the dl-fldigi waterfall looks the same, with SNR the same.
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[19:30] <mikestir> db_g6gzh: how are you looping the audio back?
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[19:31] <mikestir> with a wire or pulseaudio monitor capture?
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[19:31] <Willdude223> Besides, I have a headache (caused by repetitively bashing my head.
[19:31] <db_g6gzh> pulseaudio monitor capture
[19:31] <db_g6gzh> it just did it again
[19:31] <mikestir> right. I switched to a wire because I discovered pulseaudio was slightly altering the sample rate on the loopback
[19:31] <db_g6gzh> works for a few minutes and then stops
[19:31] <mikestir> stuff would decode but only if you set to 45.5 baud
[19:32] <mikestir> although it was all the time, not intermittently
[19:32] <db_g6gzh> maybe theres some sort of phase shift which drifts in ?
[19:32] <mikestir> I noticed it when I was trying to debug the timing in audacity - the playback was very slightly lower in pitch
[19:33] <db_g6gzh> I don't see any frequency shift in dl-fldigi waterfall
[19:33] <mikestir> it doesn't sound like the same problem, but it might still be worth being suspicious of pulseaudio
[19:33] <db_g6gzh> quite possible
[19:34] <Martin_G4FUI> Is it possible to tweak the sample rate(s)?
[19:34] <mikestir> it's been working well for me this afternoon. dongle is in the loft streaming the rf samples to gqrx on another machine
[19:34] <db_g6gzh> I only installed it because the gqrx website suggested it
[19:34] <db_g6gzh> remote dongle is my long term plan too
[19:34] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, would you like to come along if we did a foil launch wed/thursday?
[19:35] <chrisstubbs> or just track from home
[19:35] <mikestir> Martin_G4FUI: I played around with that a little bit and couldn't get any effect, so I just looped it back through my amplifier instead
[19:35] <mikestir> then it worked fine
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[19:37] <db_g6gzh> I'd like to keep the analogue audio input free for the other radio if I can so I can do multiple payload tracking
[19:37] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: I'd like to get this damned tracking working :P
[19:37] <db_g6gzh> heh, gone again and fixed ...
[19:38] <mikestir> is it recent gqrx from git?
[19:38] <mikestir> I had some stability issues that were resolved by building the bleeding edge version
[19:38] <db_g6gzh> I think so
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[19:39] <db_g6gzh> Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 6 commits, and can be fast-forwarded.
[19:39] <db_g6gzh> so not quite bleeding edge then
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[19:42] <cm13g09> If I can make gqrx work
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[19:42] <fsphil> ah I'm not the only one
[19:42] <cm13g09> then maybe I'd come along for a launch chrisstubbs
[19:43] <bertrik> is XABEN expected to last through the night, w.r.t. bursting/sagging and battery capacity?
[19:43] <[1]chrisstubbs> cm13g09, Okay cool. Yet to decide where yet. Probably danbury or boreham
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[19:43] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: ok
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[19:45] <cm13g09> currently playing hunt the dependency
[19:46] <fsphil> my fight with gnuradio earlier didn't go well
[19:46] <[1]chrisstubbs> XD
[19:46] <Iain_G4SGX> i've been trying to compile gqrx since last night, still hjaving problems
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[19:46] <Iain_G4SGX> manages to tell it where gnuradio headers are but sill errors
[19:47] <fsphil> the latest version from git requires gnuradio-3.7
[19:47] <fsphil> which is where I'm stuck
[19:47] <mikestir> there's a branch
[19:47] <mikestir> all the rtlsdr stuff has gone that way too
[19:47] <Iain_G4SGX> ah, that would explain it...
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[19:48] <Iain_G4SGX> it found the headers but somplains of undefined references
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[19:48] <mikestir> git checkout gr3.6
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[19:48] <Martin_G4FUI> XABEN just been shot down ...
[19:49] <mikestir> thought I heard it go unstable
[19:49] <Gadget-Mac> mikestir: HAB needs you ;)
[19:49] <Iain_G4SGX> Installing GNuradio was a hassle, had to use ETTUS binary, nothing else worked
[19:49] <fsphil> awww
[19:49] <bertrik> too bad
[19:49] <cm13g09> gah
[19:49] <cm13g09> I hate CMaker
[19:49] <fsphil> gnuradio beat me
[19:49] <Iain_G4SGX> didnt try to manually compile tho, suppose thats next
[19:50] <Iain_G4SGX> using QT creator
[19:50] <mikestir> I have some notes on building gr and the rtlsdr libraries that I wrote up for my own benefit, but maybe they'll be useful...
[19:50] <cm13g09> I can't get past the "prevented in-tree build"
[19:50] <cm13g09> error
[19:50] <bertrik> hm, maybe best like this, if it had floated through the night, I'd probably end up in the sea
[19:51] <mikestir> cm13g09: you maybe need to mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
[19:51] <cm13g09> it doesn't like this :P
[19:51] <cm13g09> claims it's still in-tree
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[19:52] <Martin_G4FUI> That's where payloads end up isn't it :)
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[19:52] <Iain_G4SGX> Its all good practice, need to know how to compile properly with Linux or your stuffed
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[19:54] <cm13g09> Iain_G4SGX I thought I did
[19:54] <cm13g09> but cmake is being generally irritating tonight
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[19:54] <mfa298_> might be worth trying the same trick but with the build dir at the same level as the repo (cmake ../repo)
[19:55] <bertrik> probably can't get a decode after burst from XABEN anymore here in the netherlands
[19:55] <cm13g09> mfa298_: tried that
[19:55] <mikestir> http://www.mike-stirling.com/notes/building-gnuradio-and-the-rtl-sdr-tools/
[19:56] <Iain_G4SGX> he he.. Im still learning linux , only used to QT so far/ Not even sure I know how to use cmake
[19:56] <mikestir> that's the procedure I usually follow. gqrx builds ok for me with gnuradio installed like that
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[19:57] <cm13g09> mikestir: I'll go back to 3.6 ;)
[19:57] <mikestir> there might be a newer 3.6 version of GR than the one referenced there - it should be ok to use it
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[19:58] <cm13g09> yeah
[19:58] <cm13g09> works
[19:58] <Iain_G4SGX> I got
[19:58] <Iain_G4SGX> no good?
[19:58] <cm13g09> 3.7 doesn't seem to work
[19:58] <cm13g09> is good though
[19:59] <mikestir> probably. recent rtlsdr needs some IQ balance thing that is quite new in gr I think
[19:59] <mikestir> that's probably going to be the only limiting factory
[19:59] <mikestir> factor*
[19:59] <cm13g09> maybe not....
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[19:59] <cm13g09> or maybe it's a case of -j24 being a bit overkill ;)
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[20:00] <mikestir> oh some bits of gnuradio fail on a parallel make
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[20:00] <cm13g09> yeah
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[20:00] <cm13g09> I just found that out the hard way!
[20:00] <mikestir> I think you're ok if you resume the make with -j0 though
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[20:00] <Iain_G4SGX> It loads the gnuradio headers ok once i told it where they are, but still getting errors.. ie. /home/mo/Desktop/gqrx-2.0-src/receiver.cpp:-1: error: undefined reference to `gr_make_top_block(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&)'
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[20:02] <fsphil> mikestir: oh great, I've been compiling it with -j6
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[20:02] <mikestir> if it fails just type make again and I think it will complete
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[20:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> thank you all today for fun and until next time
[20:03] <mikestir> their makefiles obviously don't have the dependencies quite right
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[20:07] <fsphil> nothing having better luck on debian
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[20:07] <Iain_G4SGX> Well if you guys are having trouble I'm stuffed. Will have to wait for a simpler install
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[20:16] <RocketBoy> darn
[20:16] <cm13g09> Iain_G4SGX: it's not too bad
[20:16] <fsphil> RocketBoy: guessing earlier than planned
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[20:17] <cm13g09> just a bit more painful than you might expect
[20:17] <RocketBoy> fsphil: yeah - had hoped for at least overnight
[20:18] <chrisg7ogx> losing XBEN now
[20:19] Action: cm13g09 is racing the horizons
[20:19] <cm13g09> currently, the horizons are winning
[20:19] <cm13g09> Horizons vs CC1pus
[20:19] <cm13g09> *plus
[20:21] <cm13g09> nearly 5 mins on one object!
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[20:21] <Willdude223> Hi again.
[20:22] <Willdude223> Will continue trying to get the UBX working tomorrow, had enough of it for today.
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[20:27] <Upu_M0UPU> oh wait
[20:27] <Upu_M0UPU> when did Xaben burst
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> 25.7 km
[20:28] <fsphil> about 40 minutes ago
[20:28] <mikestir> hey there's a little bugette in dl-fldigi. if the CR is corrupt it ignores the string
[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> not been paying attention
[20:29] <bertrik> 19:48 UTC or so
[20:31] Nick change: DanielRi1hman -> DanielRichman
[20:31] <Iain_G4SGX> hey upu, do you have a schematic of the pico breakout board? link is broke on your site. try to find how the sarantel is wired so i can check my connections
[20:31] <Upu_M0UPU> needs moar Dominoex
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> Give me 5 mins
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> Iain_G4SGX
[20:33] <Iain_G4SGX> ta
[20:33] <fsphil> it's falling like a domino
[20:35] <mikestir> gone
[20:35] <mikestir> $$$$XABEN,1902,20:34:30,52.92595,-2.31776,751,420l4.3*7F00
[20:36] <mikestir> that's probably the last fixable one
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[20:37] <cm13g09> damn
[20:37] <cm13g09> my gqrx build just finished
[20:38] <mikestir> $$$X@BEN,1903,20:34:45,52.9R663,-2.31834,690,42F0,4.33*E701
[20:38] <mikestir> maybe that one with some work
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[20:40] <bertrik> XABEN,1903,20:34:45,52.92663,-2.31834,690,42F0,4.33 matches the checksum for CRC-CCITT
[20:40] <bertrik> so @->A and R->2
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> uploaded that
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> mikestir are you M0TNR ?
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> ignore me I see you up near Liverpool
[20:44] <RocketBoy> thanks bertrik
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[20:53] <Willdude223> Hi Upu_M0UPU
[20:53] <Willdude223> Apologies for the swearing earlier.
[20:54] <Willdude223> *frustration in the channel
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> Did XABEN float oO?
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> I am thinking about changing my double deck, double chip tracker
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> if I should reduce it to just the atmega644
[20:56] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: yes, for a while, at around 26 km
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> Coolio! Intentionally or not? What type of balloon was it?
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[20:59] <bertrik> I don't know, I think it was latex
[21:00] <LeoBodnar> Did it burst naturally or was there a timed cutdown?
[21:00] <Upu_M0UPU> burst I think
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[21:02] <fsphil> yea it looks like the plan was for an overnight float
[21:02] <fsphil> which would have put it over the atlantic
[21:03] <daveake_> well, at least it means you can sleep :)
[21:03] <fsphil> yea. I can fight gnuradio another day
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[21:04] <S_Mark> Hi guys. There was a comment after our presentation yesterday from the guy who was doing the batc streaming stuff. He was saying about how HAB people sometimes come up against people with FM receivers or something and how better communication with the use of frequencies was needed. Could someone explain the issue please, as I was a bit stuck at that point not really sure what he was on about!
[21:04] <S_Mark> repeaters* sorry
[21:04] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah tell them to f?ck off
[21:04] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry :)
[21:05] <Willdude223> Upu_M0UPU: Language
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[21:05] <fsphil> he self-censored
[21:05] <Willdude223> Even if it's obfuscated.
[21:05] <S_Mark> whats the problem then...
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[21:05] <fsphil> some amateur repeater inputs are in the ISM band
[21:05] <Willdude223> S_Mark: They are secondary users, I think.
[21:06] <mfa298_> some amateur repeaters have their inputs on the same frequencies sometimes used for HAB (.600 and .650)
[21:06] <fsphil> both ISM and amateur are secondary
[21:06] <fsphil> the MOD are the primary there
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry yes
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> amateur users are secondary and have to accept interference from other users
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> this includes ISM
[21:06] <Upu_M0UPU> however
[21:06] <mfa298_> In general repeater users are more likely to cause issues to people receiving HABs although there's concern from some people that HAB's might impact repeaters
[21:07] <Upu_M0UPU> I've yet to see any proof a 10mW transmission can cause any noticeable interference to a repeater input
[21:07] <Willdude223> Upu_M0UPU: I wouldn't tell them to <omit word> off, as such.
[21:07] <S_Mark> ah right ok I see
[21:07] <fsphil> upu would :)
[21:07] <fsphil> storm in a teacup
[21:07] <S_Mark> Yeah he said I have a question and then just had a dig it seemed
[21:07] <fsphil> the chances of interfering is very low
[21:07] <S_Mark> But thats cool, just wanted to know what the perceived problem was
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> I have abandoned .600 because I have found that there are repeaters on it. But how come there are repeaters on .300? They are not even listed anywhere?
[21:08] <Martin_G4FUI> Repeaters are generally protected to a certain degree by CTCSS aren't they?
[21:08] <Willdude223> Upu_M0UPU: Does that mean he was ****shitting?
[21:08] <Upu_M0UPU> basically they will interferee with us
[21:08] <Upu_M0UPU> but not vice versa
[21:08] <S_Mark> ok
[21:08] <mfa298_> don't think reapeaters go down to .300 but there could be something else
[21:08] <fsphil> you censored the wrong word there Willdude223
[21:08] <Willdude223> Oops, and wrong nick
[21:08] <Jess--M0VBR> it seems that some amateurs assume that their secondary status is of higher importance to the secondary status of ISM users (us)
[21:08] Nick change: Willdude223 -> Willdude123
[21:09] <Willdude123> S_Mark: If you had his email, you could pwn him
[21:09] <bertrik> We've had some problems with an FM broadcast signal at 434.2 MHz of unknown origin at RevSpace, the hague, netherlands
[21:09] <Willdude123> He obviously was bullshit***
[21:09] <S_Mark> It's cool Willdude123, just getting the info and background thats all!
[21:09] <Upu_M0UPU> this issue originated due to there only being two frequencies availble for us to use
[21:09] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.075 and 434.650
[21:09] <S_Mark> ntx2
[21:09] <S_Mark> right ok
[21:09] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[21:09] <fsphil> now you're just pushing your luck Willdude123 :)
[21:09] <Upu_M0UPU> we should prepare an official response to this tbh
[21:10] <Upu_M0UPU> as it comes up again and again
[21:10] <Upu_M0UPU> hence my profanity
[21:10] <fsphil> there's probably one on the wiki
[21:10] <mfa298_> the amateur bandplans are at http://rsgb.org/main/operating/band-plans/uk-band-plan/ - you want UHF for 434MHz
[21:10] <Upu_M0UPU> do as I say not as I do Willdude123
[21:11] <fsphil> if a payload landed near a repeater with the exact input frequency it's transmitting on ... then maybe it would cause problems
[21:11] <fsphil> but only for a short period
[21:11] <Willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: The main word when googling that quote is Hypocrisy
[21:11] <fsphil> during a flight there's no chance
[21:11] <Upu_M0UPU> the other thing is yes our payloads are generally transient
[21:11] <fsphil> 10mw and further than most people using the repeater
[21:12] <Willdude123> Could someone use an NTX2 to legally operate a repeater?
[21:12] <fsphil> this is a question I've yet to have anyone answer Willdude123 :)
[21:12] <fsphil> but yes transmitting on 434.650 with an NTX2 is perfectly fine
[21:12] <fsphil> you can do voice
[21:12] <fsphil> if the repeater repeats it ... who's in the wrong?
[21:12] <Willdude123> What's to stop someone from just rickrolling a repeater
[21:12] <Jess--M0VBR> I may have a word with the local repeater keeper and see what he makes of the risks, might even be able to get him to run some tests with 10mw from a payload deliberately txed on the input (its an opportunity because the local repeater is off the air while it moves site)
[21:13] <Jess--M0VBR> nothing Willdude123
[21:13] <mfa298_> considering that repeaters will need something more than just a carrier to open them up an NTX2 on it's own shouldn't open one up.
[21:13] <Upu_M0UPU> just drop a payload near it Jess--M0VBR
[21:13] <Upu_M0UPU> see if you get any interference
[21:13] <Upu_M0UPU> at all
[21:13] <Upu_M0UPU> I doubt it
[21:13] <Jess--M0VBR> except amateurs can be quite good at direction finding and triangulation
[21:13] <mfa298_> The carrier might keep a repeater open if someone else has opened it up but that seems unlikely
[21:13] <Willdude123> We need an ntx2 repeater rickrolling competition,
[21:14] <fsphil> you can't do music Willdude123
[21:14] <Willdude123> Music, voice.
[21:14] <Willdude123> Same thing.
[21:14] <Jess--M0VBR> not the same
[21:14] <fsphil> the ISM rules don't allow music on 434mhz
[21:14] <mfa298_> talking to Andy G$MYS when he's around might be usful as he's a repeater keeper (and I think shares the main view that a payload is unlikely to cause many issues)
[21:14] <Willdude123> Well, an acapella version of it.
[21:15] <Willdude123> And we drop the finely tuned payloads right next to repeaters.
[21:15] <Jess--M0VBR> as amateurs you are also not allowed to broadcast, any transmission must be intended for reception by a group or individual
[21:15] <Willdude123> Except we aren't txing as an amateur
[21:15] <Willdude123> We'd be doing it as a license free user.
[21:16] <Jess--M0VBR> so ISM regs then.... which one does your plan fall under? Industrial, Scientific or Medical
[21:16] <Willdude123> Rickrolling
[21:16] <Willdude123> for scientific purposes.
[21:16] <mfa298_> Willdude123: don't forget there's a form of radio sport that all about finding a fairly low power transmitter than doesn't transmit very often. Finding something that's transmitting all the time will be very easy
[21:17] <Willdude123> Into how annoying it is
[21:17] <Willdude123> mfa298_: IK, fox hunting.
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[21:17] <LeoBodnar> Picking up the fight won't bring a solution
[21:17] <Willdude123> So was the guy bullshit*** or was he genuinely concerned, and did he know what he was talking about.
[21:17] <mfa298_> that could turn into the 2nd experiement of how much can ofcom fine you - not such a good thing!
[21:17] <Jess--M0VBR> other thing to consider is that part of the ISM regs are that we don't deliberately cause interference to other band users
[21:18] <Willdude123> Heh
[21:18] <fsphil> Willdude123: again with the swearing
[21:18] <Willdude123> It was censored!
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[21:18] <mfa298_> from what was said earlier I think that is a guy that knows what he's talking about and has been on here tracking balloons.
[21:18] <Jess--M0VBR> think the wording is that we must not cause interference but must accept interference from other users even if that interference causes undesired operation
[21:20] <Jess--M0VBR> at the end of it all there is a (very) small risk that a payload could interfere with the input to a repeater, even if it did as long as the source of the interference was removed (recovered payload) as soon as possible there cannot be any serious objections
[21:20] <fsphil> aye
[21:21] <fsphil> 434.650 has been in use for a long time
[21:21] <fsphil> by payloads
[21:21] <Willdude123> Uhuh
[21:21] <Iain_G4SGX> Yay, GQRX 2.0 with QTHID 4.1 now complied and running.. Seems ok with FCD pro+
[21:21] <mfa298_> that looks like Jess--M0VBR has volunteered to write a wiki page on it :D
[21:21] <fsphil> so current data suggests all is OK with the world
[21:21] <Jess--M0VBR> not I mfa298_
[21:21] <fsphil> Iain_G4SGX: tuning in gqrx?
[21:21] <Jess--M0VBR> just trying to wear both hats
[21:21] <Iain_G4SGX> yep
[21:22] <Iain_G4SGX> seems stable so far
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[21:22] <Iain_G4SGX> sorry, can only tune with QTHID it seems
[21:22] <fsphil> that's my flaw
[21:22] <fsphil> it's been fixed in newer versions but those need gnuradio-3.7
[21:23] <Iain_G4SGX> Is that not normal? A ha, i can work with that though for a bit..
[21:24] <Iain_G4SGX> At least i now have an ubuntu FCD decoder. Got my WWAN card working in ubuntu also but DL-Fldigi doesnt like it
[21:24] <Iain_G4SGX> gps that is
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[21:24] <Jess--M0VBR> Jamming of repeater inputs can be a contentious issue, mainly because it is something that is done on purpose by some users (licensed or not), there was a case a couple of years ago where a repeater was being jammed every couple of minutes but not on a predictable pattern
[21:25] <Iain_G4SGX> other software is ok via gpsd but Fldigi cant open it for some reason
[21:25] <Jess--M0VBR> turned out someone had hacked a transmitter into the green man light on a pedestrian crossing
[21:25] <fsphil> yea intentionally jamming a repeater is just a stupid thing to do
[21:25] <fsphil> who goes to that effort
[21:25] <Iain_G4SGX> Moorons everywhere im afraid
[21:26] <Jess--M0VBR> it took locals 5 months to track it down due to the erratic nature of the transmissions
[21:26] <db_g6gzh> I happened to mention at a recent lunchtime meet with some radio amateurs that I'd been tracking HABs and the first comment was about desensing the Corby repeater so I guess it is an issue.
[21:27] <Iain_G4SGX> Unfortunately even if it isnt an issue someone will make it one eventually
[21:27] <db_g6gzh> I was surprised, given the power differential.
[21:28] <LeoBodnar> Corby is 434.6500?
[21:28] <Jess--M0VBR> I dont think desense would be an issue unless the payload was very close
[21:28] <db_g6gzh> yes http://www.ukrepeater.net/my_repeater.php?id=48
[21:28] <nigelvh> Things like that I like to see evidence of. There are a number of very smart, analytical HAMs out there, but there are a number who just make up off the cuff conclusions and then it's been decided.
[21:28] <Jess--M0VBR> main issue could be that it opens the repeater or keeps it open after another user has opened it
[21:28] <db_g6gzh> it would need CTCSS to do that
[21:29] <db_g6gzh> but it could potentially reduce the effective access range of a user
[21:29] <Jonathan_G4KLX> More likely to block a repeater receiver making it inaccessible.
[21:29] <Jess--M0VBR> opening the repeater should be very difficult, as it would need to be an FM signal with either a 1750hz tone (tone burst) or a sub 100hz tone (ctcss) modulated onto the signal
[21:30] <db_g6gzh> I'd assumed it wasn't an issue but I trust the people who said it had caused issues.
[21:30] <Jess--M0VBR> the 1750 tone should be dissapearing as a risk due to tone burst being phased out
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> For some time I have been advocating creation of the list of frequencies/zones that are known to create problems. As well as frequencies often used by a specific group/person.
[21:30] <Jonathan_G4KLX> Many repeater have carrier re-access so once opened, would stay open. CTCSS isn't mandatory.
[21:30] <Jess--M0VBR> that's why I sad it could keep a repeater open
[21:31] <Jess--M0VBR> but opening it should be difficult
[21:31] <LeoBodnar> Those who can chose freq freely have no guide to stick to.
[21:31] <Jonathan_G4KLX> If you stay below 434.600 MHz (RB0 input) you'll be fine.
[21:31] <db_g6gzh> LeoBodnar: repeaters start at 434.600
[21:32] <LeoBodnar> THis is why I was surpried that 434.300 caused the problem with some unknown repeater
[21:32] <Jonathan_G4KLX> It shouldn't do, unless some repeater has an unofficial receiver input.
[21:32] <LazyLeopard> The overlap between licence-exempt operation and standard repeater inputs starts aat 434.600. </pedant>
[21:32] <LeoBodnar> But if it does I would just chose 434.270 next time
[21:32] <db_g6gzh> no repeaters there
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[21:33] <LeoBodnar> Simple to avoid if you know what to
[21:33] <db_g6gzh> avoiding 25kHz offsets and staying below 434.650 will help
[21:33] <db_g6gzh> sorry 434.6
[21:33] <Iain_G4SGX> Can tune gqrx via its receiver options window though.
[21:33] <LazyLeopard> LeoBodnar: Which repeater?
[21:34] <LazyLeopard> NTX2 users not having much choice about frequencies, of course.
[21:34] <db_g6gzh> so the only thing is the NTX2 being on 434.65
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> Some flight today seems to have clac
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> calshed with 434.300 "repeater"
[21:35] <mfa298_> it might be that the .300 was something else (although that seems to be blank in the current bandplan)
[21:35] <db_g6gzh> that's not a repeater input
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[21:36] <Jess--M0VBR> ozzies have a couple of repeaters on there
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[21:36] <LeoBodnar> My memory is a bit hazy but it was mentioned on this channel earlier today
[21:36] <Jess--M0VBR> but if you are causing issues to an australian repeater from the uk you are doing very well
[21:37] <craag> ping Upu_M0UPU
[21:37] <db_g6gzh> anyway, this is more interesting than repeaters 8-) (says en ex repeater group committee member)
[21:37] Action: mfa298_ suspects habs are making as much use of .650 as repeaters are.
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[21:38] <Upu_M0UPU> hey craag
[21:38] <LeoBodnar> [12:47] <steve-g7vrk> i have lot of noise on 300 local 70cm repeter in put
[21:38] <LazyLeopard> There are no UK repeaters listed as using 434.3 so I suspect we need more information about what the problem actually was.
[21:38] <craag> Hey Upu, you wanted to chat this weekend?
[21:38] <Upu_M0UPU> ah yes running out of weekend :)
[21:38] <Upu_M0UPU> pm
[21:38] <Iain_G4SGX> That was local QRM i ti
[21:38] <Iain_G4SGX> hink
[21:38] <Iain_G4SGX> hes local to me and i heard nothing
[21:39] <db_g6gzh> there's no real reason why people shouldn't be chatting on 434.3
[21:40] <LazyLeopard> We've certainly had trouble with repeater traffic making tracking difficult for some folks, but yes, standard simplex QSO seems as likely as anything.
[21:40] <db_g6gzh> it might have just been the repeater output overloading his receiver and appearing to be on 434.3 if it was close
[21:40] <db_g6gzh> I get some spurious from a repeater 10s of km away using RTLSDR
[21:41] <LazyLeopard> ...and what have 70cms band conditions been like today? We're in the summer "interesting propagation happens sometimes" season.
[21:41] <db_g6gzh> its output is 433.2 but I was hearing it on 434.7 weakly
[21:42] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Not so good.
[21:42] <Jess--M0VBR> I was seeing images of the local payloads today, but it was mirror of the local oscillator on the fcd pro+
[21:43] <Jess--M0VBR> checking with the 897 revealed a blank freq
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[21:43] <mikestir> I get interference on 434.3 from GB3CR on 433.150
[21:43] <mikestir> on the sdr
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[21:44] <Jess--M0VBR> so it was just a case of the payloads swamping my mixer causing crossover between i / q
[21:44] <db_g6gzh> these things happen when the front end is wide
[21:44] <mikestir> yep, and it's on a very similar compass bearing when the flights are in the south, which doesn't help
[21:44] <mikestir> it's a massive signal
[21:45] <Jess--M0VBR> but the front end on a repeater should be extremely narrow (to prevent it's own transmission from desensing itself)
[21:46] <Steve_2E0VET> do any ballons ever get launch up Norf, or are they always down cambridge way?
[21:46] <mattbrejza> what sort of difference was between the two imges Jess--M0VBR ?
[21:46] <mattbrejza> *images
[21:46] <Jess--M0VBR> total mirror and about 60db down on strength
[21:47] <Jess--M0VBR> on my rx I expected it because I was running everything on max, pre-amp on, high mixer gain and 40db of if gain
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[21:48] <Jess--M0VBR> main reason I had everything maxed was I was trying to track the payloads down as far as possible
[21:48] <mattbrejza> well 60dB between signal and image is actually pretty good
[21:48] <db_g6gzh> The builder of the Corby repeater will more than likely be at a party I'm going to in September, so I will ask then if there is a real issue if I don't see him before.
[21:48] Action: Jess--M0VBR off to bed, catch you all tomorrow
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[21:52] <LeoBodnar> Steve_2E0VET: There are some launches from time to time
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[21:55] Action: cm13g09 is off to bed
[21:55] <cm13g09> craag: Don't forget those batteries in the morning!
[21:56] <db_g6gzh> Steve_2E0VET: I think both the Cambridgeshire sites used today have permanent NOTAMs so are quite frequently used
[21:57] <craag> cm13g09: I won't..
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[21:58] <cm13g09> cheers craag
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> craag: is CHEAPO what you usually use on picos?
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[22:02] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: CHEAPO is a chrisstubbs creation.....
[22:03] <cm13g09> well... if there's any 2m payloads... I'm ready to recieve....
[22:03] <cm13g09> 70cm could be a bit more fun
[22:04] <LeoBodnar> Sorry, got mixed up!
[22:05] <_GMT_> LeoBodnar: any plans for B-x?
[22:05] <craag> LeoBodnar: I believe it was based off CRAAG1, my first pico payload, yeah.
[22:05] <craag> But it was chrisstubbs.
[22:05] <LeoBodnar> I have one sitting in the office inflated but the prediction is horrible
[22:06] <craag> (Mine was based off one of Dave's)
[22:06] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Predicition in that case is rather easier.
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[22:06] <_GMT_> okay, I hope the weather situation improves, looking forward to another 'LeoB' special!
[22:06] <LeoBodnar> I remember your photos of pico that lost the balloon on burs
[22:06] <LeoBodnar> t
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[22:07] <LeoBodnar> This could very short "special" :) I am testing some batteries that can give up ghost before reaching even float
[22:08] <LeoBodnar> Could be as early as tomorrow morning
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[22:16] <craag> LeoBodnar: Yes, both of mine have come down with no balloon attached.
[22:16] <craag> Did some calcs today, should be able to test my tracker with a natural-gas filled 100g hwoyee.
[22:17] <LeoBodnar> Ooh! Has anybody tried natural gas?
[22:17] <fsphil> it's frequently suggested by SpeedEvil :)
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> It's about £1.20/kg of lift.
[22:18] <craag> More than that if you use portable tanks though
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> True
[22:18] <craag> Free lift is awful, but can get ~30g up to at least 10km for about 4 pounds gas cost.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Free lift is only half that of helium
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> ish
[22:19] <craag> with a 5 pound balloon, all very cheap!
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> That seems _way_ out.
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> Oh - for portable
[22:20] <craag> Yeah, I'd go with portable, means i can fill wherever I want.
[22:20] <SpeedEvil> Though of course, you can fill some sort of flexible container at home :)
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[22:21] <craag> There's enough safety considerations already :/
[22:21] <craag> Measuring 10s of grams of free lift on a latex in an 'open, well ventilated area' isn't going to be easy.
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[23:31] <cyclops> Hi!
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