highaltitude.log.20130716

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[01:12] <DL7AD> good evening
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[02:09] <Stratos> Hey everyone, I am about to purchase a radio tx for a HAB launch in Canada. Was looking at using the NTX2 434.650Mhz, does anyone know if it requires a licence?
[02:10] <Stratos> (to use it)
[02:11] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, you need a Canadian Ham license for this. However you could try 915 MHz on the American Continent.
[02:12] <KT5TK_QRL> 915 MHz is license exempt
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[02:21] <Stratos> Ok thank you. Would a 915mHz have similar performance?
[02:22] <DL7AD> theoretical you have 3dB less
[02:22] <DL7AD> but thats not that high
[02:23] <DL7AD> *much
[02:23] <KT5TK_QRL> You can always try to make your Ham license and use APRS on 144.39 MHz. It's not too hard if you have some reasonable understanding of electronics
[02:24] <KT5TK_QRL> The advantage of APRS is that you have hundreds of receiving stations available 24/7
[02:24] <KT5TK_QRL> See http://aprs.fi
[02:27] <Stratos> hmm, and can the 434 use APRS as well?
[02:27] <KT5TK_QRL> Technically yes, but all Hams are listening on 144.390
[02:29] <KT5TK_QRL> Check out http://code.google.com/p/trackuino/
[02:30] <KT5TK_QRL> they're using a Radiometrix module as well and they do APRS
[02:30] <Stratos> I guess APRS would be pretty convient, because you wouldn't need a receiver module i'm guessing? But then people can steal your payload :p
[02:30] <Stratos> and it doesn't require a licence?
[02:30] <KT5TK_QRL> I don't think many are interested in your payload.
[02:32] <KT5TK_QRL> APRS requires a license
[02:33] <Stratos> True.. so do you think the HX1 144.39 would have a similar range as the NTX2 434.650 or 915mHz?
[02:34] <KT5TK_QRL> HX1 has 300 mW and is significantly stronger
[02:34] <KT5TK_QRL> Uses more power though
[02:35] <Stratos> Awesome, thank you so much for your help.
[02:36] <Stratos> Time to start studying for that HAM test.. :p
[02:36] <KT5TK_QRL> I recommend to try to make a Ham license. You won't regret it.
[02:36] <Stratos> yeah it seems pretty interesting
[02:38] <KT5TK_QRL> check out https://www.rac.ca to find some local Ham club. They're certainly happy to help you
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[02:44] <Stratos> hmm.. but the HX1 would not be able to transmit live pictures
[02:44] <Stratos> if I went with the APRS
[02:47] <heathkid> so use the HX1 for tracking and something on 70cm for video (though if you want LIVE video... that's different)
[02:47] <heathkid> live pictures can be done
[02:48] <heathkid> with mixed results from what I've seen... record them all to uSD card. :)
[02:50] <heathkid> Stratos: if you want to see APRS in action, go to aprs.fi
[02:54] <Stratos> Yeah i had a look at that.. pretty sweet. We wanted to try and transmit a few HD pictures every 20 minutues or so. So would a HX1 and a matching receiver unit be needed.. because I dont have any HAM radio gear myself
[03:02] <heathkid> have a scanner?
[03:02] <heathkid> I'm not using my ham gear... just a bearcat scanner for RX
[03:03] <heathkid> well... and a 2m J-Pole antenna
[03:05] <heathkid> looks like you can pick up a scanner for <$50
[03:05] <heathkid> easily
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[03:06] <DL7AD> good evening
[03:11] <heathkid> hello DL7AD
[03:11] <Stratos> ok thanks a lot everyone, really appreciate the help
[03:11] <Stratos> wish me luck :p
[03:11] <Stratos> going with the HX1
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[03:11] <heathkid> good luck!
[03:12] <KT5TK> good luck!
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[03:39] <heathkid> anyone here in the USA?
[03:44] <DL7AD> yes
[03:45] <DL7AD> heathkid
[03:45] <heathkid> hi there
[03:45] <DL7AD> good evening ;)
[03:45] <heathkid> you're in the US?
[03:45] <DL7AD> yep
[03:45] <DL7AD> houston control ^^
[03:47] <heathkid> seriously?
[03:49] <arko> i didnt know they relocated houston to germany :P
[03:50] <heathkid> it's a small world...
[04:04] <DL7AD> ^^
[04:05] <DL7AD> the balloon did not like france xD
[04:11] <zyp> I don't think it's alone in that
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[04:15] <LeoBodnar> Good morning!
[04:16] <Randomskk> good morning
[04:16] <Randomskk> well, eveing here :p
[04:16] <arko> morning!
[04:17] <arko> and to Randomskk good evening as well
[04:17] <arko> welcome to the cool time zone 8)
[04:17] <Randomskk> yo arko, why don't you move to canada, it's really nice
[04:17] <arko> LeoBodnar: your habs love france
[04:17] <arko> Randomskk: srsly
[04:17] <arko> i would if i could
[04:17] <Randomskk> the downside to your timezone is that all my friends are asleep when I want to chat with them :p
[04:17] <DL7AD> good morning
[04:17] <Randomskk> travelling solo brings that into sharp focus
[04:17] <arko> LeoBodnar: odd that it isn't rising in altitude much
[04:18] <arko> Randomskk: that part does suck :/
[04:18] <arko> you guys are always cool to talk to in the morning and night
[04:19] <LeoBodnar> It must have been stretched from the previous day to the limit arko. It's the weirdest alt profile I have ever seen
[04:19] <arko> i work during the times you guys sleep, so it works out
[04:19] <DL7AD> the balloon does not like france. its flying strait back :D
[04:19] <LeoBodnar> XD DL7AD are you still controlling RX in France?
[04:19] <arko> LeoBodnar: yeah, totally noticable from the higher night altitude, but i expected a much high 2nd daytime altitude
[04:19] <DL7AD> yes
[04:19] <DL7AD> from houston.... houston control
[04:19] <Randomskk> arko: my friends wake up after I go to bed here
[04:20] <Randomskk> though the 6am start for this train does not help!
[04:20] <arko> maybe between daytime 1 and nighttime 2
[04:20] <Randomskk> anyway bbl
[04:20] <arko> haha
[04:20] <arko> cheers
[04:20] <arko> DL7AD you really in houston?
[04:20] <LeoBodnar> Cool! Thanks for your help in setting the Rx up!
[04:20] <DL7AD> yes ;)
[04:20] <arko> DL7AD you nasa?
[04:21] <DL7AD> np. im currently guest at KT5TK. i met him in germany first time.
[04:21] <DL7AD> im doing my intership here in his facility. but not at nasa
[04:21] <DL7AD> unfortunately ^^
[04:21] <LeoBodnar> I had a friend in JPL and they got laid off after Shuttle program closed
[04:21] <arko> ahhh
[04:21] <arko> cool :)
[04:21] <DL7AD> i will fly back in 5 weeks
[04:21] <DL7AD> to germany
[04:22] <DL7AD> my call here is acutally AF5LI
[04:22] <arko> LeoBodnar: they worked on shuttle stuff at JPL??
[04:23] <LeoBodnar> Yes, he was on shuttle assigned projects there
[04:23] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: the balloon was shifing at night really strong. about 100...150hz per cycle
[04:23] <arko> LeoBodnar: wow, thats pretty rare here
[04:23] <DL7AD> 100hz more likely
[04:23] <arko> there was a huge wave of layoff (i was fortunate to survive)
[04:24] <arko> 1500 employee's laid off over 2 years
[04:24] <LeoBodnar> It switches GPS off during the night to save power so frequency control is also switched off.
[04:25] <LeoBodnar> arko: it was around 2004 when I got in touch with him
[04:25] <DL7AD> how likely is it, the balloon is landing on leo's roof? :D
[04:25] <arko> ahh
[04:25] <arko> yeah, a year after MER
[04:25] <arko> big layoffs
[04:25] <arko> then again in 2009
[04:25] <LeoBodnar> I have helped him to set up a fem iMacs in the lab :)
[04:26] <arko> :D nice!
[04:26] <arko> so you've been to jpl
[04:26] <LeoBodnar> or was it eMacs? Long time ago
[04:26] <LeoBodnar> remotely lol
[04:26] <arko> ahh
[04:26] <arko> it's a magical place :)
[04:26] <arko> its really a sancuary where really unique people can exist
[04:27] <LeoBodnar> DL7AD: very strange ground track
[04:27] <arko> like today i was talking with the expert on mars atmosphere
[04:27] <arko> there are like 2 other people in the world that know as much as him
[04:27] <arko> crazy!
[04:27] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: i was astonished as well
[04:27] <LeoBodnar> Yes, he was talking very highly of his colleagues
[04:28] <arko> i'm probably the dumbest person there
[04:28] <arko> and i like it
[04:28] <arko> lots of smart people to learn from
[04:29] <LeoBodnar> B-6 track over Paris reminds me what you usually see on GPS when driving through a complex motorway junction
[04:29] <arko> haha
[04:30] <LeoBodnar> Or highway
[04:30] <DL7AD> :D
[04:30] <DL7AD> or autobahn xD
[04:30] <LeoBodnar> Ja!
[04:31] <DL7AD> but americans junctions are also complex
[04:32] <LeoBodnar> B-6 drives on the wrong side of the road! XD
[04:32] <LeoBodnar> Well the right side for the rest of the worlds :)
[04:32] <DL7AD> Leo! you could set up a new endurance record :)
[04:32] <LeoBodnar> *world
[04:33] <DL7AD> 3 hours left
[04:33] <arko> right side :)
[04:34] <DL7AD> when i have been in uk last time. every time look left and right two times when crossing.
[04:34] <DL7AD> :D
[04:34] <LeoBodnar> Probably, but I am amazed that trackers are still tracking it. It's such a collective effort. I really like it!
[04:35] <LeoBodnar> Yes, it catches you up DL7AD so it is better just look both ways :)
[04:35] <arko> ahh!
[04:35] <arko> its finally rising
[04:35] <LeoBodnar> Ah, yes arko
[04:36] <LeoBodnar> I wonder if transparent balloon would heat up more
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[04:40] <arko> ohhh
[04:40] <arko> that sounds plausable
[04:40] <LeoBodnar> Whether it is good or bad
[04:42] <LeoBodnar> DL7AD: what is the current endurance record ? I am only doing balloons for a month, I am new to this hobby
[04:42] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar aroud 33h
[04:43] <DL7AD> for pico-balloons
[04:43] <LeoBodnar> Ah it must be UK record?
[04:43] <DL7AD> not sure
[04:43] <LeoBodnar> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasix
[04:44] <DL7AD> are you participate at meeting in september LeoBodnar?
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[04:45] <LeoBodnar> I really want to go and meet all the people I have met here. So far I have met Upu and daveake - last Saturday when they have launched 2000g H2 balloon
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[04:47] <LeoBodnar> B-6 has been flying for 34 hours now - it has started at 18:40 UTC on Sunday
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[04:54] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar: okay then its defnetly a time record for picoballoons
[04:55] <x-f> awesome!
[04:55] <x-f> good morning, all!
[04:55] <arko> damn impressive too
[04:55] <LeoBodnar> Morning x-f
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[04:57] <x-f> i opened spacenearus and thought B-6 had stopped transmitting during the night
[04:57] <x-f> because it's still there, near Paris!
[04:57] <x-f> the slowest balloon ever
[04:57] <LeoBodnar> Well it's the slowest balloon out there!
[04:58] <LeoBodnar> Geostationary
[04:58] <LeoBodnar> Paris-stationary
[04:58] <x-f> hehe
[04:58] <x-f> it has met the Sun again - alt, bat and temp is rising
[04:59] <LeoBodnar> Air has started to move finally http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/13177_trj001.gif
[05:00] <LeoBodnar> Warming up a bit
[05:00] <arko> did habitat.habhub.org break?
[05:00] <arko> its not plotting since 00:00
[05:01] <x-f> the payload doc has expired?
[05:03] <x-f> flight doc*
[05:03] <LeoBodnar> Oh, where do you look arko ?
[05:03] <arko> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[05:03] <arko> click telemetry graph too
[05:04] <arko> spacenear is fine though
[05:04] <LeoBodnar> I use this for telemetry: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/ea52013dc3168259655fb8491ecf1542
[05:05] <LeoBodnar> Correction: http://x-f.lv/dev/habitat-graphs/payload/2d028a45cca5ee334e756b3523d56cbb
[05:05] <x-f> ^^ it is getting really slow for such amount of datapoints
[05:05] <arko> haha
[05:05] <arko> sure is a lot of adata too
[05:06] <LeoBodnar> Lol, yes is it Flash based?
[05:06] <x-f> JS
[05:07] <LeoBodnar> Oh good
[05:07] <LeoBodnar> I have filed the flight docs with launch window until tomorrow
[05:07] <LeoBodnar> so it should be OK
[05:08] <LeoBodnar> danielsaul laughed when approving it :)
[05:10] <x-f> :)
[05:12] <LeoBodnar> Somebody from the team will probably manually prune the datapoints to make website useable again like it happened with B-4
[05:12] <LeoBodnar> or was it B-5 I am lost now
[05:12] <Randomskk> though i think most of the team are fairly indisposed right now
[05:12] <Randomskk> something of a redundancy failure
[05:13] <LeoBodnar> Yes, we rely on this so much now and I must admit taking it for granted
[05:13] <Upu> wow
[05:13] <LeoBodnar> Morning!
[05:14] <Upu> onward onward
[05:14] <LeoBodnar> It looks like motorway junction track doesn't it?
[05:14] <Upu> we did it lst night
[05:14] <Upu> prune
[05:14] <LeoBodnar> OK
[05:14] <Upu> afk shower
[05:14] <Randomskk> really what it needs is a slihtly more clever client side js
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[05:15] <G4MYS_Andy> Good morning all
[05:15] <LeoBodnar> Good morning G4MYS_Andy
[05:15] <x-f> good morning, Andy
[05:16] <G4MYS_Andy> Good morning LeoBodnar looks like congrats in order, I am trying to track it now not quite strong enough!
[05:16] <DL7AD> good morning
[05:16] <G4MYS_Andy> ggod moring to DL7AD
[05:16] <DL7AD> G4MYS_Andy more likely good evening here in houston
[05:17] <LeoBodnar> Cheers! It should move closer later on http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/13177_trj001.gif
[05:17] <arko> tour of every station in eu i see
[05:17] <G4MYS_Andy> DL7AD sorry! the DL makes me think your in Germany!!! I could do the same and use my KE$ callsign and cond fuse you too!
[05:18] <DL7AD> yes but everybody knows DL7AD not AF5LI ;)
[05:19] <DL7AD> ^^ could be confusing to everybody
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[05:19] <LeoBodnar> It is confusing either way so don't change it DL7AD :)
[05:19] <G4MYS_Andy> I was KE4IRF but never been to the USA! HI used to teach the US exam cousrs when the UK exam was almost a hundred quuid for the exam alone!
[05:20] <DL7AD> lol
[05:21] <DL7AD> the balloon got in day mode, is it?
[05:21] <G4MYS_Andy> Many became hams as the exam was on 5 dollars! rather then almost 150 dollars HI
[05:21] <DL7AD> really? i just paid 15 here in houston
[05:22] <DL7AD> but in germany i paid 150 for every exam
[05:22] <DL7AD> euro
[05:22] <LeoBodnar> Yes, day mode DL7AD
[05:23] <G4MYS_Andy> I suspect it is its rising and beaconing all the time, and I am almost out of range but the signal is straight doiwn Southampton water for me clear to the horizon without hills like the Isle of Wight in the way
[05:25] <LeoBodnar> It shows that you are decoding well Andy
[05:31] <G4MYS_Andy> its only the shortest white stick but got another computer comming today so I cantrack two, problem is where to put 2nd aerial! but have portable 30ft mast so will play with that once configgured new machine
[05:32] <Randomskk> or just split the antenna? only ike 3dB oss
[05:32] <Randomskk> guess pointing is an issue then though
[05:35] <G4MYS_Andy> Randomskk yes id thought about splitting and had a souce of splitter in mind, but poor results yesterday put me off that one.. I am going to cut down a FM receive aerial, then shove a TV preamp in to see what gives and have a play before going on to a new spare white stick that with effort could go on the mast at the side of my house but thank for the suggesting
[05:36] <G4MYS_Andy> the main thought was the other rex is not so good when I experimented with it - so want max signal! HI
[05:37] <LeoBodnar> x-f: I need to congratulate you on the telemetry page you have - it is so much easier to use with long duration flights!
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[05:37] <x-f> LeoBodnar, thanks, it was made for long duration flights :)
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[05:43] <LeoBodnar> x-f: can I make a suggestion? Is it possible to show exact timing for the vertical cursor line? It would be very helpful to pinpoint time of certain events like sharp changes in parameters
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[05:47] <x-f> ok, i'll see what i can do
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[05:48] <jcoxon> even cooler
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[05:49] <LeoBodnar> No problem if it's difficult but when you scrub the cursor you can see data values change, maybe exact timing over or under them?
[05:49] <LeoBodnar> morning jcoxon
[05:50] <PD4KDZ> Good morning.. What goes up (must com down) ;-)
[05:50] <LeoBodnar> It's strange and cool, isn't it?
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[05:50] <LeoBodnar> morning PD4KDZ
[05:50] <PD4KDZ> B6 still in the air whow
[05:51] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, so, now that you have got all this float
[05:51] <jcoxon> what are you going to do with it...
[05:51] <jcoxon> hehe
[05:51] <LeoBodnar> Ah, I am not prepared to answer this question jcoxon :)
[05:52] <LeoBodnar> It just ... happened
[05:52] <jcoxon> i mean, applications
[05:52] <jcoxon> we could make a ISM repeater
[05:52] <jcoxon> or go for distance
[05:53] <jcoxon> so many things
[05:54] <LeoBodnar> Yes, we need A LOT of patience as well
[05:55] <jcoxon> strange blip just then
[05:55] <LeoBodnar> I want to have uplink of some sort. Possibly even patching the firmware in flight
[05:55] <LeoBodnar> :)
[05:55] <LeoBodnar> Altitude?
[05:55] <jcoxon> yeah
[05:56] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, could use the inbuilt rx/tx of silabs chips
[05:56] <LeoBodnar> I think it is a bit turbulent. It is above the descent path of planes going to Paris at 3000 m
[05:57] <DL7AD> never never change a running system :P
[05:57] <LeoBodnar> I suppose for 1st approximation it would work
[05:57] <jcoxon> DL7AD, indeed
[05:57] <LeoBodnar> s/change/break/
[05:57] <DL7AD> who is gonna catch the balloon if it pops?
[05:58] <LeoBodnar> Good question
[05:58] <G4MYS_Andy> the old principle here_ if it works leave it alone & Keep it simple ( stupid ), however this does not allow for progress!
[05:58] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar thats what F5VMH asked me yesterday
[05:59] <LeoBodnar> He can keep it if he wants :)
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[05:59] <DL7AD> may i prepare him just in case?
[06:00] <G4MYS_Andy> if I canbe so bold... no one thats e why France is getting littered with old Raspberry PIEs and ballons !!!!!
[06:00] <LeoBodnar> Lol sure but I doubt it will be easy to find
[06:01] <LeoBodnar> Oh do they all end up there eventually?
[06:01] <DL7AD> it wont be if you lost contact at 2000m.
[06:01] <LeoBodnar> Direction finding then :)
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[06:02] <LeoBodnar> B-1 stopped transmitting data at 11000m and we found it with a Yagi only but it had a continuous carrier on
[06:03] <DL7AD> there are two good possibilities. 1. launch another ballon which is tracking it. 2nd. fly over the area with a airplane. but unfortunately im not in europe
[06:06] <jcoxon> how do you find it if its below the waterfall?
[06:07] <LeoBodnar> for rx?
[06:08] <jcoxon> yeah
[06:08] <jcoxon> as its coming back into range on the UK
[06:08] <jcoxon> thought i'd turn my radio on
[06:08] <LeoBodnar> trust your receiver and tx freq stability and set exact rx frequency blind
[06:09] <jcoxon> hehe so 434.500
[06:09] <jcoxon> whats the offset?
[06:09] <LeoBodnar> 1500 Hz -ish on USB
[06:10] <LeoBodnar> I can't remember, I haven't received it for almost 24 hours now
[06:10] <LeoBodnar> G4MYS_Andy: what is your modem centre freq now?
[06:11] <G4MYS_Andy> 1428 but there is nothing there I am on 434.500603
[06:12] <G4MYS_Andy> and its been that freq for hours and hours I think
[06:12] <jcoxon> well i'll leave it on
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[06:12] <jcoxon> time for work, good luck LeoBodnar
[06:13] <LeoBodnar> I think design was for 1250Hz centre on 434.500MHz but inexplicably the result has been more like 1500
[06:13] <LeoBodnar> Cheers jcoxon !
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[06:13] <DL7AD> transceiver of F5VMH is set to 434.300 and the bottom border is at 2100hz
[06:14] <G4MYS_Andy> USB is mode the DOMX 16 seems to be a pleasant form of RTTY from our point of view
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[06:15] <LeoBodnar> RTTY being unpleasant form of itself? :)
[06:15] <LeoBodnar> I think I need some coffee
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[06:15] <LeoBodnar> morning iamdanw
[06:15] <eroomde> a pleasant form of rtty... odd description
[06:15] <LeoBodnar> morning iain_g4sgx
[06:16] <LeoBodnar> ask willdude123
[06:16] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: me too
[06:16] <iain_g4sgx> Morning all, still on its way back. Nice..
[06:17] <eroomde> i haven't had any yet
[06:17] <eroomde> but it's sitting in the cafetiere infront of me
[06:17] <eroomde> the seconds ticking down
[06:17] <LeoBodnar> yep, life is hard sometimes
[06:17] <LeoBodnar> but you need to force yourself you know
[06:17] <eroomde> Lehttp://img1.etsystatic.com/011/0/7198629/il_fullxfull.452381269_rh15.jpg
[06:18] <eroomde> er, http://img1.etsystatic.com/011/0/7198629/il_fullxfull.452381269_rh15.jpg
[06:18] <LeoBodnar> Haha! Is this yours?
[06:19] <eroomde> nope, found it online
[06:19] <eroomde> nearly bought it but for silly shipping
[06:20] <eroomde> very appropriate for work though
[06:20] <eroomde> we're all quite dependant
[06:20] <eroomde> and don't function well before
[06:21] <LeoBodnar> yep sad fact
[06:22] <eroomde> sad but true
[06:22] <LeoBodnar> Coffee cups should have short range comms sensors and talk to each other
[06:22] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: They do.
[06:22] <eroomde> and there's nothing like the distant noise of the coffee grinder going on at work to give you a boost
[06:22] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Long-wave IR.
[06:22] <SpeedEvil> (not, admittedly well)
[06:22] <LeoBodnar> XD
[06:22] <LeoBodnar> IR radar
[06:23] <eroomde> this coffee i just made is actually really nice
[06:23] <eroomde> i think letting the water in the kittle cool down about 10 degrees helps a lot
[06:23] Action: SpeedEvil sighs.
[06:23] <LeoBodnar> Who can explain how the wind can make 90 degrees turn at 00:00 UTC on the same altitude
[06:24] Action: SpeedEvil is in the point of wondering if the violent vomiting, and the really large quantitiy of marinated meat he made last night is correlated.
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[06:24] <LeoBodnar> Over Plaisir
[06:25] <LeoBodnar> SpeedEvil: listen to what warm coffee cup is saying
[06:25] <eroomde> i have been there
[06:25] <SpeedEvil> I'm trying to go back to sleep - so I diddn't do coffee.
[06:25] <eroomde> it wasn't particularly
[06:26] <SpeedEvil> It's also wierd, as I want to snuggle up in bed with lots of covers on, but it's way too hot. It doesn't feel right to be sick without covers.
[06:26] <eroomde> is it coming down proper or just adjusting?
[06:27] Action: SpeedEvil needs to do a launch at some time.
[06:28] <eroomde> i want to go somewhere a bit more wild
[06:28] <eroomde> (than england)
[06:28] <LeoBodnar> Maybe turbulence or maybe GPS quirks
[06:28] <LeoBodnar> Wales?
[06:28] <eroomde> and live in the woods for a few days
[06:29] <eroomde> maybe wales
[06:29] <iain_g4sgx> Hopefully its still flying this afternoon and back in range for me.
[06:29] <eroomde> was thinking more like yellowstone
[06:30] <LeoBodnar> Get re-born as a wolf
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[06:30] <eroomde> done
[06:30] <SpeedEvil> Is Laurenceb back - or has he decided to become an illegal alien in the woods?
[06:30] <eroomde> i think he's been kidnapped
[06:30] <eroomde> and been replaced by laurenceb from 2006
[06:30] <eroomde> all young and enthusiastic
[06:30] <eroomde> it's like a crap version of The Terminator
[06:31] <LeoBodnar> What timezone is he in ? He stayed coherent at 1am last night when everybody dozed off
[06:31] <eroomde> laurenceb when in the zone is unstoppable
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[06:31] <eroomde> he used to churn habs out like you
[06:31] <SpeedEvil> He is/was in the states.
[06:31] <eroomde> every 2 days there's be something new
[06:31] <eroomde> like a GUI implemented with an OLED
[06:31] <eroomde> whose desktop background was launcrence smiling with thumbs up
[06:31] <eroomde> or a glider
[06:32] <eroomde> or some new mode
[06:32] <bertrik> so, B-6 is going home, interesting flight path
[06:32] <LeoBodnar> It's a mid-month crisis. All men go through it 12 times a year
[06:32] <eroomde> or he'd do a simulation of the payload oscillation under a parachute
[06:32] <eroomde> and the parachute would be a tesco bag affixed with blue-tak
[06:33] <eroomde> suprisingly the payload came down without the parachute
[06:33] <LeoBodnar> Haha! Is he from the theoretical side of the world?
[06:33] <eroomde> or he'd launch and then walk over (every launch used to happen at cambridge back in the day) and look at the laptop then announce to me and james 'oh, i forgot to include altitude in the telemetry'
[06:34] <eroomde> he's an oxford physicist. they are like that
[06:34] <eroomde> oh but i remember he did actually include 'seconds to landing' if it were ti burst now. from which we could reverse-engineer the altitude
[06:34] <eroomde> innocenter days
[06:35] <eroomde> to be fair to laurence's construction values, the rogallo was really very very nicely built
[06:35] <LeoBodnar> Lol I know what you mean. I used to be a trained to be a theoretical physicist
[06:35] <eroomde> i was very impressed
[06:36] <LeoBodnar> But I have escaped the darkness
[06:36] <eroomde> it had a power switch and charging jack on the surface
[06:36] <iain_g4sgx> Off to work, if you can call it that, see you guys later on.
[06:36] <eroomde> and everything was in a beautiful milled 2-halves of high density foam
[06:36] <LeoBodnar> see you iain_g4sgx
[06:36] <LeoBodnar> Which reminds me I need to go to work too!
[06:36] <eroomde> pfff
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[06:40] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:mihab:p1030033.jpg?id=projects%3Amihab%3Amihab3_glider_master_unit
[06:40] <eroomde> giggle
[06:41] <number10> is that laurence
[06:41] <eroomde> yes
[06:41] <eroomde> that was from his balloon flight computer
[06:41] <eroomde> the most advanced UI in the hisotry of ukhas :)
[06:42] <number10> that wasnt the episode where is went into someones garden saying "where is my lcd"
[06:42] <eroomde> yes
[06:42] <number10> :)
[06:42] <eroomde> that is the very lcd
[06:42] <eroomde> accusing the people whose garden we had bombed of stealing his lcd
[06:42] <number10> thats an aproach I havent thought of
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[06:43] <Randomskk> i still shudder to imagine
[06:43] <Randomskk> the kids...
[06:43] <Randomskk> anyway
[06:43] <eroomde> .... more innocent times
[06:43] <Randomskk> quite
[06:44] <eroomde> that was basically why we wrote the predictor
[06:44] <Randomskk> have you seen the new fast version?
[06:44] <eroomde> yes
[06:44] <Randomskk> did you enjoy how it works?
[06:44] <eroomde> yes
[06:44] <eroomde> but i should point out that that's how it used to work
[06:44] <Randomskk> back to where we started
[06:44] <Randomskk> these things always go full circle
[06:44] <Randomskk> yes my point exactly
[06:44] <eroomde> and it was only slow for the rjw shiny version
[06:44] <Randomskk> get_gribs.py or whatever
[06:45] <Randomskk> rjw did this sexy "only get the data we want" thing
[06:45] <eroomde> i would be v interested in the winds-only global dataset mirrored on the server
[06:45] <eroomde> yes i don;t think the srcf would have been happy with whole-earth gribs
[06:45] <Randomskk> yea sounds like we mgight do that. just a legal thing I guess
[06:45] <Randomskk> hehe
[06:45] <Randomskk> no
[06:46] <Randomskk> though daniel is actually o the srcf committee now
[06:46] <eroomde> still
[06:46] <Randomskk> yea it's a bit much
[06:46] <Randomskk> we have that mb mac mini too though. haha
[06:46] <eroomde> but yes, i could combine the cutdown-whole-earth dataset with the shuttle dataset
[06:46] <eroomde> and be laughing
[06:47] <Randomskk> inded
[06:47] <eroomde> (we're writing a rocket flight trajectory code at work)
[06:47] <Randomskk> sounds fun
[06:47] <Randomskk> suspect the "travelling at wind velocity" bit gos a little out of the window
[06:47] <eroomde> yes very much
[06:47] <eroomde> and you want to model 6 degrees of freedom
[06:47] <eroomde> as that affects where it goes
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[06:48] <Randomskk> mm
[06:48] <Randomskk> a bit more involved than the hab one in many ways
[06:48] <eroomde> and it might have to be in C
[06:48] <Randomskk> how is your gps coming along? if you can say
[06:49] <eroomde> oh alright infact. we've changed focus a bit to accomodate it to a specific project
[06:49] <Randomskk> eh can't you compile numpy to c yet
[06:49] <Randomskk> one of these days
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[06:49] <Randomskk> cool
[06:49] <Randomskk> bladerfs have started shipping
[06:49] <eroomde> i just want to make a really fast c server for winds and terrain
[06:49] <Randomskk> so hopefully mine will be awaitin gme when I get back home
[06:50] <eroomde> so some clien tprocess can sim 10k flight trajectories
[06:50] <Randomskk> be tempted to toy with some things like gps
[06:50] <Randomskk> hmm
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[06:50] <Randomskk> c server rather than like, ram?
[06:50] <Randomskk> like a file ona ramdisk
[06:50] <eroomde> depends on how fast python is at replying
[06:50] <Randomskk> writing very fast c servers can be annoying for multiclients iirc?
[06:51] <eroomde> it's not so much the mmap as the able to respond to thousands of requests/sec
[06:51] <Randomskk> I wodnr if you could use a key value store like redis or memcache
[06:51] <eroomde> yes i wonder too
[06:51] <eroomde> i will check out redis
[06:51] <Randomskk> hmm probably not ideal though
[06:51] <Randomskk> something like that
[06:52] <Randomskk> anyway I should get to bed, train departs at like 0620 tomorrow
[06:52] <Randomskk> sigh
[06:52] <eroomde> to where?
[06:52] <Randomskk> banff
[06:52] <Randomskk> I'm in kamloops atm
[06:52] <Randomskk> the train stop sovernight and we get put up in a hotel
[06:52] <eroomde> heard that's v pretty
[06:52] <Randomskk> which is silly but means we go through the rockies in the daylight which is the point
[06:53] <Randomskk> nicest hotel of my trip though, on account of not being of my choosing
[06:53] <Randomskk> soon as I hit banff it's a bunk in a 6 person shared room in a hostel
[06:53] <eroomde> lol
[06:53] <eroomde> being able to afford your own room is the nicest perk of a salery for me
[06:53] <eroomde> so far anyway
[06:53] <Randomskk> though frankly had I taken cheaper transport to get t obanff I could have stayed in very nice hotels for the whole five nights
[06:53] <Randomskk> the train is friggin expensive
[06:54] <eroomde> how much?
[06:54] <Randomskk> 800 gbp for the cheapest service
[06:54] <eroomde> OUCH!
[06:54] <Randomskk> two days, one night in a hotel, breakfast and lunch and snacks and some wine served
[06:54] <UpuWork> wow
[06:54] <Randomskk> yea
[06:54] <Randomskk> rocky mountaineer
[06:54] <UpuWork> makes UK look reasonable
[06:54] <Randomskk> best views of the rockies apparnetly but, christ
[06:54] <eroomde> god the 2.5k km chicago/SF train i took was about 1/3 of that
[06:54] <UpuWork> how many miles is that though ?
[06:54] <eroomde> including food and a private bunk
[06:54] <UpuWork> sorry Km
[06:54] <Randomskk> my trans siberian was like half that for a week
[06:55] <Randomskk> but it's like, not a passenger service realy
[06:55] <Randomskk> canada doesn't really do passenger trains
[06:55] <Randomskk> all people carrying trains have to give way to freight trains, even, and those things are like a mile long
[06:55] <eroomde> same in the US
[06:55] <Randomskk> but yea everyone drives or flies
[06:55] <Randomskk> I haev a minibus tour drive thing back to vancouver after banff
[06:55] <Randomskk> for $200 or something
[06:55] <Randomskk> also with a night in a hostel
[06:56] <eroomde> that's more like it
[06:56] <Randomskk> exactly
[06:56] <Randomskk> maybe should have done that both ways
[06:56] <Randomskk> but I've been told the train is worth doing
[06:56] <Randomskk> and I can kinda see it, it is very cool
[06:56] <Randomskk> still
[06:56] <Randomskk> might have been worth saving until retirement like every other bloody person on the train
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[06:56] <Randomskk> then goin gfor the gold service, not their cheapo one
[06:56] <Randomskk> like 2k for the gold service though
[06:56] <Randomskk> which is mental
[06:57] <Randomskk> so yea, could probably have afforded hotel rooms in banff and vancouver really
[06:57] <Randomskk> but kinda wnated to be with other people anyway, more fun
[06:57] <Randomskk> not many people my age hanging out on the train, or on tha tcanoe trip
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[06:58] <Randomskk> hostel is like $180 for five nights, lol
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[07:00] <Randomskk> canada is not a very cheap place, I have found
[07:01] <UpuWork> and UK stations recieving again
[07:02] <x-f> number10 has a mighty antenna?
[07:03] <UpuWork> just a colinear I think
[07:05] <number10> not really just a watson on a pole - and the right bearing x-f
[07:05] <number10> is the first time I have received outside the blue circle
[07:05] <number10> b-5 was to the s/w and not sogood
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[07:07] <gonzo__> nice. B6 back in range of the UK again. I'm getting decodes and outside the horizon
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[07:12] <UpuWork> well watching it interest now as this is the real proper test of a MAX7C
[07:12] <UpuWork> 48 hours is its esitmated battery based on a MAX6G
[07:14] <number10> is there power saving mode used?
[07:16] <UpuWork> yeha
[07:17] <UpuWork> cyclic
[07:17] <fsphil> i's still up. unreal
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[07:17] <fsphil> +t
[07:17] <UpuWork> I know
[07:17] <Willdude123> Morning
[07:17] <UpuWork> morning Will
[07:17] <fsphil> morn
[07:18] <eroomde> it seems to be descending tho
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[07:19] <UpuWork> sort of
[07:19] <UpuWork> its bobbling about
[07:19] <fsphil> stretching
[07:20] <Willdude123> How does DomimnoEx actually work?
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[07:20] <x-f> temperature is lower by 5 degrees than yesterday's morning around this time
[07:20] <fsphil> Willdude123: rather well
[07:21] <eroomde> it's quite simple really Willdude123
[07:22] <UpuWork> Icarus is on for 9.30 launch
[07:22] <fsphil> is rjh aware of ISH time?
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[07:22] <eroomde> you know with rtty you have two tones, one preresents a 0 and the other represents a 1
[07:23] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23319103
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[07:24] <fsphil> that's not a great article
[07:25] <LeoBodnar> Argh! Somebody nicked my parking space this morning
[07:25] <eroomde> yes it does smell of 'local news' journalism
[07:25] <fsphil> jam them, 434mhz!
[07:26] <eroomde> there is some good stuff in that article
[07:26] <eroomde> amazing graphics :D
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[07:28] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/IMG_1397.jpg
[07:28] <eroomde> no womder your commute is quick
[07:28] <fsphil> hmmm.. not gonna be able to jam that
[07:29] <fsphil> the new Micra looks great though
[07:29] <UpuWork> lol
[07:29] <UpuWork> just park on top of it LeoBodnar
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[07:30] <LeoBodnar> It does not even have a space for a shopping bags
[07:32] <Piet0r> How often does B-6 send it's data?
[07:32] <LeoBodnar> every 6-9 seconds Piet0r
[07:34] <Piet0r> Thnx
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[07:34] <fsphil> you'd be quicker going around France on a bike. someone should really try that, like a kind of tour
[07:35] <LeoBodnar> What human powered pushbike?!
[07:35] <fsphil> it's like walking, but with wheels
[07:37] <LeoBodnar> Is it a performance art form?
[07:37] <fsphil> some people actually use it to get from once place to another
[07:38] <fsphil> without an engine. amazing
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[07:41] <UpuWork> LeoBodnar what happens at night does it still keep the GPS active ?
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[07:42] <LeoBodnar> UpuWork: turn off and turn on
[07:43] <Badalandalab> where I finde more informations about balloon B-2?
[07:43] <UpuWork> so really this could go on past 48 hours
[07:43] <LeoBodnar> turn on, get lock, correct freq, tx, turn off
[07:43] <LeoBodnar> Hardly but maybe XD
[07:43] <UpuWork> I think Badalandalab needs your links LeoBodnar :)
[07:44] <LeoBodnar> Badalandalab: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-2/
[07:44] <Badalandalab> great thanks LeoBodnar
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[07:49] <staylo_> So it headed straight for Paris, wandered around aimlessly for 12 hours and then headed back the exact same way it came in. Bloody tourist habs..
[07:50] <Piet0r> :p
[07:50] <Piet0r> When will ICARUS be launched?
[07:50] <Piet0r> I can see it already on spacenear.us
[07:52] <fsphil> in about 40 minutes I believe
[07:52] <Piet0r> Sweet
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[07:54] <UpuWork> I'll let you know
[07:55] <UpuWork> I don't think internet is great round there so Rob is calling me as they launch
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[07:58] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Morning all still going!
[07:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> B6 Still going! :D
[07:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> It's seen Paris, it's coming home LOL
[07:59] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Should have made a record or two
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[08:01] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Should be copyable from the coast as well here
[08:02] <Geoff-G8DHE-> I'll have ago in a bit
[08:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Unfortunately, I lost it before it hit the coast. If the path modifies though I'll get the radio going.
[08:04] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Rising rapidly compared to yesterday hope it doesn't break a seam
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[08:06] <Geoff-G8DHE-> I should be able to drive up one of the hills to later and it should be even closer
[08:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> Nice one Geoff-G8DHE-
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[08:06] <DL7AD> yes height is a huge difference
[08:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Lets get the laptop on I think!
[08:07] <DL7AD> nearly lost in paris
[08:07] <Geoff-G8DHE-> Bbs
[08:07] <craag> dial freq still .500 ?
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[08:08] <DL7AD> yes a bit higher than 500
[08:08] <gonzo__> 501 is useable dial freq here
[08:08] <DL7AD> my transceiver is set 434,499,300hz and the bottom border of the singal is at 2,100hz
[08:09] <gonzo__> I'd estimate that the centre of the signal is at 502
[08:09] <DL7AD> so it starts exact at 434,501,400hz
[08:09] <craag> Ok thanks, no sign of it yet but I'll leave the rx tuned.
[08:10] <gonzo__> I could be a few Hz out (my rx is not locked to the gpsdo ref yet. Naughty boy)
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[08:11] <craag> I see ASTRA has it so it should turn up for me soon :)
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[08:12] <daveake> I've got it now too
[08:12] <LazyLeopard> Presumably yesterday's daytime rise stretched the balloon a little, which meant the overnight float was a little higher than the first night, and at some point (after a few repeats?) the balloon will start to leak...
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[08:14] <DL7AD> pfff.... i have no experience with that
[08:15] <DL7AD> but nevertheless the battery will hold on just less than 24h
[08:15] <DL7AD> its likely the battery quits first
[08:16] <pjm_> is there a hab up on 434.570 with MFSK?
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[08:19] <UpuWork> 434.500 pjm_
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[08:20] <fsphil> bah, my home machine has crashed
[08:20] <fsphil> c'mon fedora, if I wanted this kind of experience I'd use windows me
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[08:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Windows working fine here ;-)
[08:21] <daveake1> fsphil Did I mention what my chase car PC did for the first hour of the chase?
[08:21] <daveake1> "Installing Windows Update <n> of 37" ............
[08:21] <fsphil> oooch!
[08:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nope that doesn't happen, I have it set to tell me, I then decide :-)
[08:21] <fsphil> I imagine auto-update is now disabled :)
[08:22] <daveake1> Yes same here, NOW :)
[08:22] <daveake1> yup :)
[08:22] <fsphil> I've told this machine to reboot after a kernel crash, now it's stuck
[08:22] <daveake1> ouch
[08:22] <fsphil> my ssh session is still opened but I can't do anything in it
[08:22] <fsphil> and I can't make a new ssh session
[08:23] <fsphil> I've had nothing but problems since installing F19
[08:23] <Geoff-G8DHE_> My dongle is drifting as its only just been powered up!
[08:23] <fsphil> at this point I'm ready to install Debian or Mint
[08:23] <pjm_> UpuWork: no 434.568 MFSK, check out http://pjm.uhf-satcom.com/twtr/mfsk.jpg I can see 3 MFSK's
[08:24] <fsphil> I've seen a couple of times near 401 and 402mhz, 3-FSK signals
[08:24] <fsphil> never managed to explain them
[08:25] <fsphil> slow bitrate, sounded like 100 baud
[08:25] <fsphil> boo, I'm gonna have to drive home and reboot this box
[08:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> Does anyone know the status of Icarus?
[08:26] <UpuWork> I'll let you know as soon as I hear
[08:26] <UpuWork> he's going to call me just before launch
[08:26] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Tony
[08:27] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[08:27] <PE2G> fsphil: Did the signal show a clear Doppler shift?
[08:28] <fsphil> PE2G: they where steady
[08:28] <fsphil> but would occasionally change frequency
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[08:28] <fsphil> ie, not drifting. it seemed to be intentional
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[08:29] <PE2G> fsphil: OK, no Doppler shift > no satellite then.
[08:30] <fsphil> yea I thought it was a balloon at first
[08:30] <fsphil> I was monitoring the local sonde
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah its going to spend the day touring Northern France!
[08:30] <fsphil> and a few minutes before it launched, this signal pops up nearby
[08:30] <fsphil> but I've seen then with no sonde in the air
[08:31] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE-M
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[08:36] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Might try copying whilst actually mobile in a bit, it seems strong enough!
[08:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> I can't hear it sadly
[08:37] <arko> Wow interesting how Leos hab is back to daytime alt
[08:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> Really must get a 70cms beam
[08:37] <arko> Thats awesome
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Beam I'm just on a whip!
[08:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> Woah! Nice Geoff-G8DHE-M
[08:38] <arko> Makes sense though
[08:38] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Where are you Steve
[08:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> I would expect the signal is being shielded by one side of the valley I'm in - Crayford
[08:39] <LazyLeopard> Just need to be on the top of a hill... ;)
[08:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> Exactly LazyLeopard
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah yes say problem when I'm at home to the North the chalk gets in the way!
[08:39] <LazyLeopard> Here, to the south there's a fair bit of chalk in the way.
[08:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> I live with it Geoff-G8DHE-M Might get to move down to the coast on some sort of hill sometime
[08:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Oh its gone ?
[08:40] <daveake> Still see it
[08:40] <daveake> Bit weak to decode here
[08:40] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> faded out here
[08:41] <daveake> Nearly deocding here again
[08:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake: Are you using a beam?
[08:41] <daveake> Yagi in the loft
[08:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah!
[08:41] <daveake> And RG58
[08:41] <daveake> Not a good setup
[08:41] <G0TDJ_Steve> Works though
[08:41] <daveake> It's my "can't be bothered to put the mast up" rig :p
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Think I might be able to see a duct forming here over the sea, doesn't normally get this low in freq.
[08:42] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah its coming back
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[08:44] <[pa3weg]Work> morning all
[08:44] <[pa3weg]Work> nice signals from B-6 still
[08:44] <[pa3weg]Work> It did quite well in tracking overnight I think
[08:44] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Yupshould be around all day if it doesn't leak!
[08:45] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah its back for me as well
[08:46] <LeoBodnar> Interesting consistency of the daytime float. Early half of the 1st day was envelope stretching.
[08:47] <UpuWork> Icarus is up
[08:47] <UpuWork> 434.075 ish
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[08:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks Tony
[08:48] <G0TDJ_Steve> Will it appear on Tracker in due course or is this one that won't at all?
[08:48] <fsphil> tony?
[08:49] <craag> ssh, it's upu's undercover name
[08:49] <UpuWork> 434.073
[08:49] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Right bbl don't lose B-6
[08:49] <UpuWork> 612m
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[08:49] <craag> on map
[08:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> On tracker now
[08:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Might be a while before I hear that one
[08:50] <DL7AD> good night
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[08:52] <Piet0r> I see it :)
[08:53] <Piet0r> Noo not in the sea!
[08:53] <UpuWork> ascent rate isn't what it should be
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[08:54] <UpuWork> strong signal
[08:54] <UpuWork> distance 33km :)
[08:55] <fsphil> you should be able to see it :)
[08:55] <UpuWork> sadly in the basement at work
[08:57] <UpuWork> told him to head to Scarbrough as they have boats there
[08:57] <daveake> lol
[08:57] <daveake> Has anyone been out on a boat yet before splashdown?
[08:58] <daveake> That could be a first if he hurries :p
[08:58] <LeoBodnar> Good noght DL7AD
[08:58] <LeoBodnar> night
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[08:59] <Ugi> So B-6 has had its trip to Paris and is heading home now then!
[09:00] <daveake> Day tripper
[09:00] <daveake> icarus (TM) speeding up a tad
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[09:01] <Ugi> Icarus landing prediction not looking 100% great at the moment!
[09:01] <LeoBodnar> Is it icarus(TM) or icarus(R) ?
[09:02] <gonzo__> a second one has gone up, just over leeds at the mo. But we prob won't get sigs from that at all
[09:02] <Ugi> Is it registered?
[09:02] <gonzo__> oops, wrong window
[09:03] <LeoBodnar> apparently so Ugi http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002557550
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[09:03] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[09:03] <daveake> Yes TM
[09:04] <daveake> So I've turned the Yagi round to follow icarus ... and B-6 is still decoding
[09:04] <UpuWork> Coming after you LeoBodnar : http://imgur.com/e0zP7mD
[09:04] <daveake> Never understood aerials
[09:04] <Ugi> if B-6 stays transmitting then on that course I might be able to pick up tracking it when I get home tonight - it's heading my way
[09:05] <Ugi> LeoBodnar is right - it should be (R) because it does appear to be registered for class 9 - data transmitters!
[09:06] <Ugi> UpuWork: Impressive - when the biggest feature is the programing header you know that's a small board!
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[09:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu, do you have a current dial freq for icarus?
[09:08] <UpuWork> 434.073
[09:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> Ta
[09:10] <Piet0r> What is a dial frequency?
[09:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> Nothing here - will try agan
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[09:11] <fsphil> should see it shortly
[09:11] <fsphil> got the pc rebooted
[09:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> Piet0r, the tune frequency for the radio rather than the tone frequencies (which would be higher for USB)
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[09:12] <Babs__> Ping eroomde
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[09:14] <Piet0r> I don't get that but I will look it up ;)
[09:15] <daveake> Infinity_chase is going to need to go to Scarborough and beyond
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[09:18] <Ugi> INfinity chase looking like it's going to need a rowing-boat ATM
[09:18] <fsphil> eek, 3.3m/s
[09:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> Is that a little fast fsphil
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[09:19] <fsphil> slow
[09:19] <fsphil> very slow
[09:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[09:20] <Ugi> if it goes a bit higher and spends a bit more time high up it might get blown back onto land by the looks of things.
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[09:20] <fsphil> yes the prediction is 24km, quite low
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[09:20] <fsphil> 25km even
[09:21] <HixWork> oh wow! B6 is still @1.42V was this an AA as opposed to AAA?
[09:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> YEs
[09:22] <Ugi> HixWork: I think it was but even so
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[09:22] <Ugi> still impressive
[09:22] <G4MYS-Andy> Im back!
[09:22] <HixWork> hell yeah
[09:22] <HixWork> damn work, biab
[09:23] <Babs__> G0TDJ - Don't listen to fsphil, 3.3m/s is positively ferrari-esque by my standards
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[09:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> :-) Babs__
[09:24] <Ugi> anyone know how many data point have been collected for B-6 now? It was into the 10s of thousands yesterday IIRC
[09:25] <UpuWork> yeah we pruned it
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[09:26] <Ugi> I can see why - I had to tell Chrome to wait a couple of times yesterday evening already
[09:26] <Ugi> at work Firefox didn't even bother trying!
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[09:28] <ibanezmatt13> Good Morning :)
[09:29] <Ugi> and good morning to you ibanezmatt13
[09:29] <ibanezmatt13> morning Ugi :)
[09:29] <Babs__> B-6 had a nice sojourn into the Paris suburbs overnight
[09:30] <Ugi> seems to be looing to spend today at the beach thou'
[09:30] <Ugi> looking
[09:30] <Ugi> can't blame it
[09:30] <fsphil> that's odd, no signal
[09:30] <fsphil> it's above my horizon
[09:30] <fsphil> oooh mountains
[09:30] <Babs__> It would be awesome to get a light aircraft and track it down
[09:30] <Maxell> Horay I see B-6
[09:30] <Maxell> It took a while...
[09:31] <Maxell> Green decode at -19 dB s/n :P
[09:31] <fsphil> you're imagining it
[09:32] <Jess--> can someone give me an exact freq for the centre of the domex transmission
[09:32] <gonzo__> 434.502
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[09:32] <Maxell> 280 km, not a new record :o
[09:32] <gonzo__> accurate to within 100hz I recon
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[09:33] <Jess--> cheers
[09:33] <PE2G> Maxell: Congrats!
[09:34] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: http://pastie.org/8145259
[09:34] <HixWork> if that prediction is correct, B6 is on the road to Rouen
[09:35] <Babs__> HixWork - that is quality. You can't teach that kind of punnage.
[09:35] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm all
[09:35] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: try one of your trackers on a howyee
[09:36] <Laurenceb> for altitude attempt
[09:36] <Herman-PB0AHX> wat is shift of ICARUS
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[09:37] <Laurenceb> mobile tracker is dead?
[09:37] <gonzo__> just checked the RX cal here. Was further out than I thought. Exact freq of TX is 4234.5015
[09:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> What is Rob using as an antenna on Icarus? Wet piece of string?
[09:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> ICARUS is dead ????
[09:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> I have a great signal from B6 in France but Icarus is barely visible
[09:38] <fsphil> nice secret message ibanezmatt13
[09:39] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks :)
[09:39] <ibanezmatt13> Any ideas?
[09:39] <daveake> I get a decodable signal from B-6 with my Yagi pointing at icarus :p
[09:39] <Laurenceb> heh
[09:39] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: your thought was correct
[09:40] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: you can use + to append strings
[09:40] <daveake> HixWork That's terrible :p. Love it :-)
[09:40] <ibanezmatt13> Ah ok fsphil, I'll have a look. Thanks
[09:40] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: better to use parameterised queries though
[09:41] <HixWork> it's a firm favourite from the many road trips down to Le Mans. It's a goodie though
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[09:42] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: The + isn't working. Probably because I'm not doing it correctly
[09:43] <staylo_> Is there a site for the B6 hardware? or even just a photo of the electronics?
[09:43] <fsphil> blabla.text is a string, so you can do things like "SELECT * FROM table WHERE value = '" + blabla.text + "';" -- BUT this is a very bad way of doing it
[09:43] <craag> staylo_: http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-6/
[09:44] <ibanezmatt13> How could I do it a better way?
[09:44] <fsphil> http://www.blakepell.com/Blog/?p=422
[09:44] <daveake> <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: better to use parameterised queries though
[09:45] <staylo_> craag: thanks!
[09:45] <fsphil> appending strings like that, it's possible to do nasty things from the UI. It's called SQL injection
[09:45] <G4MYS-Andy> what is the dial frequency of Icarus please
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[09:45] <fsphil> and is the cause of many many website hacks
[09:45] <ibanezmatt13> I'll have a look
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[09:46] <Steffanx> fsphil, yeah it's surprising how many website in 2013 still have that issue
[09:47] <Babs__> icarus landing moving closer into the coast
[09:47] <daveake> If it bursts higher than predicted it might be OK
[09:47] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: I'm currently here https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6007325
[09:48] <daveake> And I suspect that with that ascent rate, it wi;;
[09:48] <daveake> ll
[09:49] <Ugi> do we know what balloon & payload weight for icarus?
[09:49] <Chetic> where can I find the specs for the lightest HAB payload yet? :]
[09:49] <Ugi> I reckon you have it with B-6
[09:49] <HixWork> Chetic, http://leobodnar.com/balloons/
[09:49] <daveake> B-5 was lighter
[09:50] <Chetic> 404'd HixWork
[09:50] <Ugi> sorry - forgot about the battery
[09:50] <Ugi> This is the same with a AAA : http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-2/
[09:50] <LeoBodnar> This is the lightest I had so far Chetic http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-4/
[09:51] <LeoBodnar> 12.5 grams
[09:51] <daveake> So here we have LeoBodnar flying payloads where the heaviest thing is the teeny weeny battery, and over the pond on the GPSL mailing list someone is complaining that the CUSF burst calculator only goes up to 11lbs (5kg)
[09:51] <Chetic> sweet, LeoBodnar :D
[09:52] <Chetic> lol americans
[09:52] <Ugi> flying Caddy!
[09:52] <x-f> i liked Upu's reply about imperial system there
[09:53] <daveake> Yes that was a funny start to the day when I read that :)
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[09:53] <Babs__> daveake - its Murica. First question about everything: "Can we fit a gasoline engine to it?"
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[09:54] <Chetic> I'll definitely mention whichever is the lightest payload when I hold my presentation on HABs
[09:55] <Chetic> definitely will spark some interest in embedded systems people
[09:55] <Babs__> My payloads feel like Vanessa Feltz in comparison :-(
[09:55] <daveake> big and bo. .... ok I know what you mean :)
[09:56] <HixWork> thought you didn't have any wobbly bits Babs__
[09:56] <Babs__> I heard her described once as a hovercraft in chiffon
[09:56] <daveake> OK my money is on a dry landing, despite the prediction :)
[09:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> YAY B6 re-aquired :D
[09:56] <daveake> lol
[09:58] <Ugi> I reckon you're right daveake - only needs a couple of K more at high altitude to blow back onto the coast
[09:58] <craag> Chetic: When is this presentation?
[09:58] <Chetic> when I've successfully finished my first mission :P
[09:59] <Chetic> probably september
[09:59] <craag> Cool, challenge accepted :)
[10:00] <Chetic> most probably september 27th, in fact :)
[10:00] <Chetic> hah. let me know!
[10:00] <eroomde> Babs__: don't be ashamed
[10:00] <eroomde> heavy payloads are usually more interesting
[10:00] <eroomde> unless they're just a really big camera and PC104 just doing rtty
[10:00] <eroomde> that would be silly though
[10:00] <daveake> with valve transmitter
[10:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Right, have to go for a while. BBL Guys
[10:01] <eroomde> i have wondered about a completely analogue hab
[10:01] Nick change: G0TDJ_Steve -> G0TDJ_AFK
[10:01] <eroomde> just for shiggles
[10:01] <Chetic> lol shiggles
[10:01] <Ugi> how do you make an analog GPS?
[10:01] <eroomde> i wouldn't
[10:01] <eroomde> i'd do range measuring
[10:02] <Ugi> OK.
[10:02] <eroomde> so a ground station sends a tone, and the payload receives and retransmits it at a different freq
[10:02] <eroomde> and with the right tone you can extract range from that
[10:02] <Ugi> I see
[10:02] <eroomde> 3 ground stations and bob's your uncle
[10:02] <Ugi> If you know the turn-around time
[10:02] <daveake> clever
[10:02] <eroomde> .... having said that
[10:02] <Chetic> I'm really curious what precision that would achieve
[10:02] <eroomde> well not, 7400 series chips are not really analogue
[10:02] <eroomde> well no*
[10:03] <Ugi> you could have it transmit the time and make a backwards GPS!
[10:03] <Babs__> Did someone say challenge accepted? http://www.joshingtalk.com/2012/03/jtsa-challenge-me-sir-richard-b.html
[10:03] <Chetic> I want indoors GPS
[10:03] <eroomde> yes, if the grund stations were all on coherent clocks then it's super easy
[10:03] <eroomde> you could send anything from the hab
[10:03] Action: daveake monitors eroomde's apparent blood pressure ...
[10:03] <Babs__> ahhh, eroomde, you joined at the right point
[10:03] <Babs__> but anyway
[10:03] <HixWork> heh
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[10:03] <Babs__> Print your rocket nozzles http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23313921
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[10:04] <Babs__> you've probably seen it but if not thought it might be interesting
[10:04] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: Error: Only MySQL parameter objects may be used. Code: https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/6007325
[10:04] <eroomde> Babs__: i can cryptically reveal that nasa are well behind us in that regard
[10:04] <Laurenceb> i think it might have burst
[10:05] <Babs__> that doesn't sound that cryptic eroomde
[10:05] <UpuWork> glad you liked it x-f I'm currently flagged as an enemy combatant I suspect
[10:05] <daveake> nah no burst
[10:05] <Ugi> Laurenceb: B-6? did a fair bit of jumping about yesterday
[10:05] <Laurenceb> looks like burst to me
[10:05] <x-f> hah :)
[10:05] <HixWork> its only a matter of time before 3d printers start printing themselves and they we'll have an epedemic
[10:05] <daveake> Yeah it did -12m/s at one point
[10:06] <Babs__> Its like Disney's fantastia for the 21st century
[10:06] <Babs__> Apparently Maplin are due to start stocking a 3-D printer soon
[10:06] <daveake> "Does this printer print guns?" "No this product does not support that"
[10:06] <Babs__> I might get one so i can put it on the table in my new project room and watch it go out of date before my very eyes
[10:07] <Alchamist> HixWork:http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page
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[10:08] <HixWork> got no web at work Alchamist though i am familiar with the reprap, apparently they missed a c
[10:08] <daveake> Babs__ I was thinking it can't be long before the likes of HP make one, sold cheap, that only takes HP-made plastic reels at double the usual price
[10:08] <HixWork> i was thinkning brown sauce then, figured you had gone too far :/
[10:08] <UpuWork> am I the only one who can RX Icarus ?
[10:08] <Laurenceb> def burst
[10:09] <daveake> yeah I'm beginning to agree :)
[10:09] <Laurenceb> thats a pity
[10:09] <Babs__> daveake - hah! yes, so every time you have to print out something its cheaper to buy a new printer
[10:09] <Laurenceb> looks like we need a better envelope material
[10:10] <Babs__> http://www.maplin.co.uk/3d-printer-velleman-k8200-783902
[10:10] <Ugi> more like a leak than a burst
[10:10] <Ugi> leak
[10:10] <Maxell> This is how DomEX16 looks here http://i.imgur.com/rJ686Ux.png
[10:10] <daveake> same thing with those
[10:10] <Laurenceb> yeah
[10:10] <Ugi> but yes, it does seem to be going down
[10:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu, I've tried Icarus a few times but I can only just see the lines on the waterfall
[10:10] <Laurenceb> there was a slight upward fluctuation
[10:11] <Laurenceb> like something was bulging out
[10:11] <Laurenceb> then sharp descent
[10:11] <daveake> I gave up on icarus couldn't see a thing
[10:11] <LeoBodnar> or lighter payload Laurenceb :)
[10:11] <Laurenceb> i think a seam broke
[10:11] <Laurenceb> we need better envelopes
[10:11] <Laurenceb> proper mylar, urethane heat sealed etc
[10:12] <Laurenceb> qualatex is nylon not mylar
[10:12] <UpuWork> Icarus is a fairly weak signal
[10:12] <daveake> It's only you receiving it
[10:12] <Babs__> I definitely want to build my own balloon one day
[10:12] <daveake> print one :)
[10:13] <Babs__> If only to see the Ocado man's face when he delivers 1000 boxes of freezer bags as raw material
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[10:13] <eroomde> Babs__: it's *very* tiresome
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[10:13] <eroomde> we build a machine to automate welding the seams, it was still tiresome
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[10:13] <Babs__> eroomde - i like repetitive and tedious tasks though
[10:13] <Ugi> two space blankets and a heat-sealer - can't be that hard!
[10:14] <Babs__> work out where I am on the autistic spectrum from that one
[10:14] <eroomde> true, you do work in PE
[10:14] <eroomde> Ugi: yes but when the gores are funny geometries it is
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[10:14] <M0TVU> Morning all
[10:14] <M0TVU> Is icarus on frequency? - nothing here in Brum yet
[10:15] <daveake> It has a wet string aerial, and it dried out
[10:15] <eroomde> this is the first ever CUSF prototype zero pressure balloon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK80MXHQ5hA
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[10:15] <UpuWork> 434.073Mhz
[10:15] <eroomde> it took about 120 man hours, ridiculous as that may seem
[10:15] <UpuWork> sorry
[10:15] <UpuWork> 434.075
[10:15] <UpuWork> but weak
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[10:15] <Babs__> Did the seams just give out?
[10:15] <steve_____> Morning
[10:15] <eroomde> Babs__: nope
[10:16] <eroomde> the construction was fine
[10:16] <eroomde> it just took ages
[10:16] <steve_____> Quickly logged on to share link: http://radioadastra.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/radio-astronomy-station-part-1.html
[10:16] <steve_____> Thought some people here may like
[10:16] <Babs__> I figure for ease surely the easiest is get one a latex and then surround it with a smooth net
[10:16] <Babs__> ?
[10:16] <Laurenceb> eroomde: but a pico scale superpressure would be easier
[10:17] <Laurenceb> if you could find a good bonding material
[10:17] <Chetic> ..do I really need to buy special gloves to handle the balloon?
[10:17] <Laurenceb> i think some smith and nephew urethane heat seal would work
[10:17] <Laurenceb> im doing a lot of with with them atm
[10:18] <eroomde> Chetic: no
[10:18] <eroomde> but son't be too sweaty
[10:18] <eroomde> don't*
[10:18] <eroomde> Laurenceb: yes smaller might be easier
[10:18] <eroomde> the optimal shape is spherical too
[10:18] <eroomde> for super pressure
[10:18] <eroomde> which is nice
[10:18] <eroomde> rather than pumpkin as you scale up
[10:18] <eroomde> optimum from a stress concentration PoV
[10:18] <Chetic> "don't be too sweaty"...
[10:18] <Chetic> that's what she said
[10:19] <Chetic> ;_;
[10:19] <Babs__> eroomde - have you ever done a skyanchor?
[10:19] <Jess--> this is probably a stupid question.... has anyone tried flying a condom?
[10:19] <steve_____> also this: http://wiki.raspberrytorte.com/index.php?title=ADS-B
[10:19] <Laurenceb> lol
[10:19] <eroomde> Babs__: what is one of those?
[10:20] <UpuWork> amusingly I mentioned that and this is why my office drawer has 20+ condoms in it (one of my engineers other half works for family planning)
[10:20] <eroomde> that is not the google link i wanted
[10:20] <Jess--> it was just a thought based on the amount they can stretch and the strength of them
[10:21] <Babs__> So you have a free pressure balloon at the top full of helium, linked by string to a small super pressure one at the bottom (could be foil (I guess)), or another latex surrounded by a net
[10:21] <UpuWork> steve_____ - may help : http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=85
[10:21] <steve_____> ha - I have one already :)
[10:21] <Piet0r> I can hear ICARUS on my porto :)
[10:21] <steve_____> your prototype
[10:21] <UpuWork> oh yes
[10:21] <Babs__> The top balloon lifts the bottom balloon, but as it goes higher the lower balloon inflates to a fixed volume and then becomes less and less relatively buoyant as the balloon rises
[10:22] <Babs__> and eventually levels out
[10:22] <UpuWork> man of many nicknames
[10:22] <Piet0r> In The Netherlands
[10:22] <Babs__> the cool thing is that as the sun goes down and the lower balloon becomes more and more relatively buoyant
[10:22] <Babs__> then the latex one on top expands and so it should eliminate any yo yoing
[10:22] <Babs__> (that is the theory)
[10:23] <UpuWork> I wouldn't be surprised if F6AGV goes out and recovers B-6
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[10:24] <Ugi> Icarus turning - this is where we hope it stays up for a while longer
[10:24] <daveake> yup
[10:25] <Laurenceb> on the + side, B6 might be recovered
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[10:25] <LeoBodnar> Jess--: I was going to but failed to tie a not on it
[10:26] <Laurenceb> i make it 37hour float
[10:26] <eroomde> Babs__: that's a neat idea
[10:26] <eroomde> i have done 2-balloon flights before
[10:26] <LeoBodnar> Condom should fly to about 10000m with 12g payload
[10:26] <eroomde> but bother were latex
[10:26] <Laurenceb> not as good as CNSP
[10:26] <Laurenceb> they managed ~50hour float with latex
[10:26] <eroomde> one filled neutral, the other filled with a coupla kg to net free lift
[10:27] <Ugi> PEG2G now getting icarus across in Holland it looks like
[10:27] <Laurenceb> but its a picohab record :P
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[10:28] <PE2G> Icarus is weak but decodable at 517 km. Showing 434.0766 MHz
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[10:29] <Hix> hmm, whole network has died at work :)
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[10:30] <UpuWork> how come PE2G can decode it but no one in the UK can ?
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[10:30] <OE1FEA> good morning :)
[10:31] <[pa3weg]Work> sorry guys, I was AFK
[10:31] <[pa3weg]Work> I'll check icarus for a sec
[10:31] <Hix> I blame Cameron UpuWork
[10:31] <Jess--> no idea UpuWork , completely clean waterfall for icarus from here
[10:31] <UpuWork> 434.075
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[10:32] <PE2G> No green decodes anymore for a while
[10:32] <UpuWork> Sorry when I said F6AGV I meant F5APQ
[10:35] <fsphil> ah, icarus is on the waterfall
[10:35] <fsphil> just about
[10:35] <Jess--> UpuWork: clean waterfall http://81.168.22.130/icarus.jpg
[10:35] <fsphil> this is going to be a close one
[10:35] <OE1FEA> pls update me on B-6 is going down? Inversion or atlantic weather or leaking?
[10:36] <fsphil> B-6 seems to have burst
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[10:39] <Ugi> do we know who launched icarus? Are they on here? I don't remember seeing it in the Google group.
[10:39] <OE1FEA> fsphil, i think not, because sometimes ascendig or descending at low rates ...
[10:39] <UpuWork> Ugi it was launched by Rob Harrions
[10:39] <UpuWork> Harrison
[10:40] <UpuWork> http://www.robertharrison.org/icarus/wordpress/about/
[10:40] <fsphil> OE1FEA: yea but that's quite a huge drop
[10:40] <UpuWork> B-6 refusing to come down quietly
[10:40] <fsphil> it's 2km down
[10:40] <UpuWork> yeah
[10:41] <Hix> he of RTTY code fame
[10:41] <fsphil> I'm hoping icarus goes well above 25km
[10:41] <fsphil> it should bring it inland
[10:41] <Ugi> I wonder if he is related to their trademark attorneys - Harrison Goddard Foote?
[10:41] <UpuWork> it will be a 2 year old Kaymont I suspect
[10:41] <OE1FEA> + 0.3 - 0.1 looks like floating
[10:41] <fsphil> might not then
[10:41] <fsphil> hmpf
[10:42] <fsphil> OE1FEA: foils never come down properly :)
[10:42] <OE1FEA> it works like a parachute ... sailing :)
[10:43] <fsphil> I blame eddies
[10:43] <fsphil> icarus too weak to decode
[10:44] <fsphil> UpuWork you seem to be the only one getting it
[10:44] <fsphil> oh wait PE2G too
[10:44] <UpuWork> and Wouter
[10:44] <UpuWork> bit confused as to why they can get it and no one in the UK can
[10:44] <UpuWork> its not a massively strong signal
[10:44] <fsphil> yea that is odd
[10:45] <UpuWork> but its clean
[10:45] <fsphil> I've decoded icarus flights before
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[10:45] <Babs__> eroomde - all one needs is a net (presumably one of some nice material that will not rub the balloon and tear it over time, and one with a fine enough mesh that you don't get bulges out)
[10:45] <UpuWork> unusually the SDR is struggling to decode it
[10:45] <Hix> I'm sure failure to provide a decent level of internet connectivity in the workplace is a breach of contract?!
[10:45] <Babs__> thats twice i've used "one" today. disappointing
[10:45] <fsphil> one is not amused
[10:46] <daveake> One is disappointed
[10:46] <Hix> is one in a onesie
[10:46] <daveake> I'm at one with mine
[10:47] <Ugi> nearly at 25 Km - another couple should see it much safer
[10:48] <UpuWork> 25km
[10:48] <daveake> Well now it's moving parallel to the coast
[10:48] <daveake> Needs more west
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[10:48] <daveake> or a parachute tangle
[10:48] <Alchamist> Is it me, or is B6 making a comeback?
[10:49] <daveake> there we go, more west :)
[10:49] <Ugi> does look like it Alchamist
[10:49] <Jess--> icarus barely visible in waterfall now, nowhere near enough to decode
[10:50] <daveake> prediction nearly on the beach
[10:50] <UpuWork> those are cliffs I think :)
[10:50] <daveake> ah :p
[10:50] <Hix> Could B6 be hitting cold airstreams, or even being subject to airway turbulence at that height, its a pretty busy strectch of air
[10:51] <daveake> well nearly inland now
[10:51] <UpuWork> still climbing anyway
[10:51] <daveake> Prediction now on land :)
[10:51] <fsphil> now lets hope the chute isn't too big :)
[10:51] <daveake> exactly :)
[10:51] <Ugi> or hope for another 10k
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[10:53] <UpuWork> B-6 lol
[10:53] <Sven___> I am new and watching icarus on the spacenear.us. Is it the real position being displayed or is it just an estimation?
[10:53] <daveake> real
[10:53] <UpuWork> real position Sven
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[10:53] <OE1FEA> maybe this was cold atlantic weather to descend B-6?
[10:53] <Sven___> Thanks
[10:54] <Ugi> light blue line is the predicted descent Sven___ but dark blue line is real path so far
[10:54] <fsphil> B-6: "I'm not dead! It's just a scratch, look!"
[10:54] <x-f> OE1FEA, internal temperature is well up
[10:54] <eroomde> 10 ublox 7Qs just turned up
[10:54] <eroomde> nice
[10:55] <UpuWork> shiny
[10:55] <Hix> It seems to be bouncing around Flight Level 17-22 pretty sure there is a lot of traffic in that range arount there
[10:56] <LeoBodnar> But your arm is cut off!
[10:56] <Ugi> it's quite a slipstream that knocked it down 2Km!
[10:56] <LeoBodnar> tis but a scratch
[10:56] <Alchamist> Come back here and i'll bite your legs off!
[10:56] <daveake> $$pansy
[10:56] <Hix> could be being dragged by the wake of s flight in descent
[10:57] <fsphil> it might have had a close encounter
[10:57] <daveake> abducted!
[10:57] <Ugi> I was wondering that - I wonder if it came close enough to get _really_ tossed about
[10:57] <[pa3weg]Work> Out for lunch here, tracking Icarus for now
[10:57] <Alchamist> carried off by a swallow ...
[10:57] <[pa3weg]Work> 400Hz spacing
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[10:58] <[pa3weg]Work> no QRM now, but that was there before...
[10:58] <Hix> ooh looks like work is back up
[10:58] <daveake> icarus looking rather safer now
[10:59] <UpuWork> Icarus 28km
[10:59] <Ugi> man the wind is brisk at 30km - icarus now being blown at 60 km/h!
[10:59] <daveake> 60 << brisk
[10:59] <Hix> This is a KML of a flight from CGN-STN i recorded a few years back. B6 seems to be right in the decent corridor
[11:00] <Hix> http://goo.gl/Z2vtW
[11:00] <UpuWork> 60km/h = 33% of a "Daveake"
[11:00] <daveake> :)
[11:00] <daveake> 240 is my best I think
[11:00] <daveake> So make that 25%
[11:00] <Ugi> wow you drive pretty fast daveake
[11:00] <UpuWork> 290kmph on a runway for me
[11:01] <daveake> 240 in a HAB
[11:01] <LeoBodnar> Swallowed by a carry
[11:01] <Hix> 168Mph on a private road for me
[11:01] <daveake> Not been above 233kph, on an autobahn of course
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[11:02] <HixWork> no i havne't
[11:02] <HixWork> haven't
[11:02] <Ugi> icarus looking positively boring now
[11:02] <Hix> I am though
[11:02] <Sven___> Well, at 230km/h (autobahn)... I don't feel comfortable anymore. 210km/h is enough :-)
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[11:03] <UpuWork> 29km
[11:04] <Ugi> B-6 risen by nearly a km now!
[11:04] <x-f> could a plane affect airflow for two kilometers vertically?
[11:04] <HixWork> be interesting to listen on airband for the sector that B6 is in to see if it is being visually picked up by pilots
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[11:04] <costyn> hello all
[11:05] <HixWork> its a big ascent and descent area
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[11:05] <costyn> HixWork: on my 2nd flight 2 planes came by that must have seen the balloon if they weren't reading their newspaper
[11:05] <Babs__> x-f I don't think so. If it was subject to that much stress it would be ripped apart.
[11:05] <eroomde> and a Huber+Suhner crimp tool has just arrived
[11:05] <x-f> mhm
[11:05] <eroomde> but on the plus side i still have a working kidney
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[11:06] <daveake> I can't sell mine they're only about half operational
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[11:06] <Ugi> just the one eroomde? sold the other for a crip-tool?
[11:06] <UpuWork> 30km
[11:06] <HixWork> Hi costyn. Yeah, I saw the Vid. Loud too. How is the caribbean?
[11:07] <eroomde> Ugi: exactly
[11:07] <costyn> HixWork: as expected, warm mostly and very enjoyable
[11:07] <x-f> costyn, are you on the other side of the equator now?
[11:07] <daveake> Rob ight as well turn round
[11:07] <daveake> m
[11:07] <costyn> x-f: yup, it's just pas 7 AM here
[11:07] <costyn> x-f: on the island Curacao
[11:07] Action: HixWork feels pangs of envy towards costyn
[11:07] <daveake> So why are you on here???????????
[11:07] <craag> lol
[11:07] <costyn> x-f: wait, no, not otherside of equator, other side of the gmt line...
[11:08] <x-f> costyn, yep, my geography failed
[11:08] <HixWork> to be fair its nearly both
[11:09] <costyn> daveake: well just having a chat :)
[11:09] <UpuWork> Robs out of practice with his predictions
[11:09] <UpuWork> 25km my arse
[11:09] <eroomde> gosh the huber+suhner BNC connectors are rated up to 4Gigjizzums
[11:09] <eroomde> that's amazing
[11:10] <costyn> daveake: just because I can't HAB any more, doesn't mean I'm not still interested in HABs :)
[11:11] <Steffanx> holidays on curacao costyn?
[11:11] <HixWork> you can HAB, you'll just have one massive recovery problem
[11:11] <costyn> Steffanx: no, for my wife's work. we'll be here 3 years
[11:11] <x-f> HixWork, he needs to launch transatlantic floaters now
[11:11] <eroomde> they do extended frequency SMAs up to 27GHz
[11:12] <eroomde> connector porn
[11:12] <costyn> HixWork: yea, that... mostly
[11:12] <UpuWork> lol eroomde
[11:12] <HixWork> though it would be a perfect excuse to buy a good boat costyn - try asking the wife if that would be ok ;p
[11:12] <x-f> costyn, have you seen what B-6 is doing since Sunday?
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[11:13] <UpuWork> how the hell is B-6 climbing back up that is bizarre
[11:14] <costyn> x-f: no, not really.. just catching up now, but that looks really cool
[11:14] <eroomde> UpuWork: it's so lovely
[11:14] <costyn> x-f: what kind of balloon is it?
[11:14] <eroomde> i heard the were the rolls royce of rf connectors
[11:14] <eroomde> but this is amazing
[11:14] <x-f> costyn, it spent all yesterday near Paris just hovering there
[11:15] <Ugi> costyn: 36" foil I believe
[11:15] <x-f> yep
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[11:15] <eroomde> the datashetts give the precise cutting dimensions for every kind of coax
[11:15] <eroomde> and how to crimp them
[11:16] <costyn> HixWork: heheh well the money is already flowing freely, a boat that can go those distances will be expensive :)
[11:16] <LeoBodnar> eroomde: do you rent the connectors? Rent-a-connector
[11:16] <costyn> Ugi: cool thx
[11:16] <Ugi> eroomde: you and your connector catalog are going to have to get a room!
[11:16] <HixWork> heh
[11:16] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: sadly no
[11:16] <eroomde> gotta buy em
[11:16] <HixWork> costyn, the residuals are normally ok ;p
[11:16] <eroomde> their are going to be non-returnable
[11:17] <costyn> HixWork: haha
[11:17] <LeoBodnar> pity I love a good connector on my desk when visitors come in
[11:17] <craag> eroomde: They do PL259s for up to 200MHz! :P
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[11:18] <LeoBodnar> I also casually [strategically] place Raychem heatshrink on a visible spot
[11:18] <gonzo__> I wouldnt use a pl259 past 200Hz !
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[11:18] <Ugi> and they both _keep_ rising!
[11:18] <craag> gonzo__: It does say "UHF connectors do not have defined impedance."
[11:18] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: we've got some Lemo M samples arriving today
[11:18] <eroomde> for a new product
[11:18] <eroomde> they look pretty gucci
[11:19] <gonzo__> pl259, it's the phono plug of the RF world
[11:20] <eroomde> i ususally either replace them with an N or get an N adaptor onto them asap
[11:20] <gonzo__> ditto
[11:20] <eroomde> http://uk.farnell.com/huber-suhner/11-sma-50-1-4-111ne/plug-sma-straight-rg178/dp/4163047
[11:20] <eroomde> is this not pleasing
[11:20] <craag> BNC for me, but I'm not dealing with very high power.
[11:21] <gonzo__> have to file the square base N chassis sockets to an oval flange, to match a radio is a pain
[11:21] <Laurenceb> lolling
[11:22] <Laurenceb> my PhD supervisor is avoiding me
[11:22] <Laurenceb> after i circulated that paper last night...
[11:22] <Steffanx> oops
[11:22] <daveake> icarus just a tad away from Rob's predicted burst alt
[11:22] <daveake> What's his personal record? Might be going ....
[11:23] <eroomde> buying coax for microwave is not a happy experience
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[11:25] <eroomde> it's mindbogglingly expensive
[11:25] <gonzo__> time microwave
[11:25] <eroomde> time?
[11:25] <gonzo__> or just go for UT141
[11:25] <Laurenceb> solid coax?
[11:25] <gonzo__> times
[11:26] <eroomde> times?
[11:26] <Laurenceb> thats a kind of newspaper
[11:26] <daveake> 35336 m - that's Rob's new personal best :)
[11:26] <Laurenceb> not a kind of coax
[11:26] <eroomde> looking at heliax
[11:26] <gonzo__> 'times microwave' do some nice ptfe silver plated type cables
[11:26] <Laurenceb> ah
[11:27] <HixWork> I prefer Independent Connectors LTd ;p
[11:27] <eroomde> looking
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[11:27] <gonzo__> http://www.timesmicrowave.com
[11:27] <gonzo__> what sort of uwave freqs?
[11:28] <eroomde> 2.4
[11:28] <eroomde> runs of 2-3m
[11:28] <gonzo__> that's still UHF!
[11:28] <eroomde> worst case
[11:28] <gonzo__> heliax is prob your friend there
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[11:28] <HixWork> B6 has gone from 1.42 to 1.43 volts. Assume Solar backup
[11:28] <Guest10440> What microcontroller would you guys recommend for someone who has little experience in electronics and plans to build a near space balloon? Thanks in advance to anyone who answers. Arduino seems like a good idea considering how user friendly it seems to be
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[11:29] <craag> Guest10440: Arduino :)
[11:29] <Darkside> Guest10440: BASIC STAMP
[11:29] <HixWork> yup
[11:29] <Alchamist> HixWork: I was thinking that as well
[11:29] <Darkside> just kidding
[11:29] <Darkside> Arduino
[11:29] <Laurenceb> nope
[11:29] <eroomde> gonzo__: fair enough
[11:29] <daveake> Darkside, naughty :p
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[11:29] <eroomde> normal coax is still completely attrocious
[11:29] <eroomde> like 4dB/m
[11:29] <Laurenceb> HixWork: just battery heating
[11:29] <eroomde> at that freq
[11:29] <gonzo__> if it's presonal, you can use some nice RS connectors, with a pin adaptor for LDF450
[11:30] <Guest10440> alright thanks muchly
[11:30] <Babs__> I think one could only complain if Darkside hadn't nailed his colours to the mast so honestly with his nick.
[11:30] <gonzo__> remove the gland/clamp and solder the outer directly to the connector
[11:30] <Guest10440> Why not STAMP though?
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[11:30] <eroomde> gonzo__: was going to us huber and suhner stuff
[11:31] <HixWork> Laurenceb, really at that alt?
[11:31] <craag> Guest10440: It'll be far easier with arduino, there's lots of example code out there.
[11:31] <daveake> Guest10440 for a start, nobody here uses one so you won't get much help if it doesn't work
[11:31] <gonzo__> if it's poss to put the RF kit aut at the antenna, that's even easier
[11:31] <eroomde> and everyone loves giving arduino help
[11:31] <eroomde> gonzo__: yes that's plan a
[11:31] <Guest10440> ah ok
[11:31] <Guest10440> thanks
[11:31] <daveake> 37km
[11:31] <eroomde> but it's looking bad for centre of gravity
[11:32] <daveake> Rob needs to update his predictions :)
[11:32] <Laurenceb> google have cleaned up their sat photos
[11:32] <gonzo__> we have run WLAN kit via LDF450 (about 15ft) when it was a PCA card, so not poss to put at the dish
[11:32] <Laurenceb> all neat and consistent now
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[11:33] <Laurenceb> did icarus died?
[11:33] <eroomde> yes it's the LDF450 I'm looking at
[11:33] <daveake> No updates from icarus for a couple of minutes. poss burst?
[11:33] <daveake> oh, stiill going
[11:33] <gonzo__> is it a tx and rx susyem?
[11:34] <gonzo__> For 2.4 RX, I have the LAN up the mast and use CT100 sat tv cable for the downlead
[11:34] <gonzo__> and have used these lna/PA blocks at the mast with CT100, for a WLAN AP before now
[11:34] <eroomde> blimey eg rg402 is 50dB loss at 100m
[11:34] <eroomde> compared to 11dB for LDF450
[11:35] <M0TVU> is icarus 50 baud?
[11:35] <M0TVU> Seeing trace but no data?
[11:36] <eroomde> ho hum
[11:36] <gonzo__> we has a WLAN natenna at work, with about 30mtrs of RG213 down to the IT dept. As you can imagine it was useless. (So I rescued it from the bin afterwards and it's on my house now, done properly)
[11:36] <eroomde> all good things to chuck into the mixer
[11:36] <Laurenceb> 38km
[11:36] <HixWork> LeoBodnar, you need to apply your uelectronics skills to some kind of SSDV if you can get flights to last so long, there'd be some excellent images
[11:36] <HixWork> and lot of em too
[11:36] <HixWork> *lots
[11:37] <daveake> M0TVU Yes 50 buit very weak
[11:37] <Maxell> ICARUS getting stronger somehow
[11:37] <Laurenceb> burst
[11:38] <Laurenceb> 38.5, not bad
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[11:38] <daveake> burst
[11:38] Action: daveake is waiting for this one to go back up like B-6
[11:39] <mikestir> yeah I just dropped in to ask about that?
[11:39] <mikestir> !
[11:39] <mikestir> what was with the 2km bounce?
[11:39] <daveake> alien abduction
[11:39] <Laurenceb> maybe it was fake
[11:39] <Laurenceb> troll firmware
[11:39] <Alchamist> swallows
[11:39] <Laurenceb> more likely nasty air currents
[11:40] <Alchamist> einstein-rosen bridge ...
[11:40] <x-f> no clouds over France
[11:43] <x-f> IR image shows more, though
[11:45] <staylo_> Well, there is a fair amount of air traffic around there.. maybe it was reacting to TCAS
[11:45] <gonzo__> african or european?
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[11:51] <HixWork> Tricyclic antidepressants ;p
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[11:55] <Piet0r> Where will the images from ICARUS flight be uploaded?
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[11:56] <HixWork> We have a Jaguar XF downstairs - I think there is more £ in Lemo connectors in the boot than the listprice of the car
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[11:57] <fsphil> oh great, it's gone from the north sea to the Moors
[11:57] <Ugi> B-6 going down again?
[11:58] <Ugi> fsphil: current prediction is the middle of a field
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[12:06] <x-f> hmm, stopped going down
[12:06] <Laurenceb> B6 seems kind of stable
[12:06] <Laurenceb> 39hours float time
[12:06] <fsphil> there's a single big tree in the field just east of the current icarus prediction. bet it lands in that
[12:06] <Laurenceb> ~42 hours flight time
[12:07] <Laurenceb> just CNSP and blue horizon have flown longer in amateur hab
[12:07] <Laurenceb> very impressive
[12:07] <x-f> Blue horizon wasn't very amateur..
[12:09] <Ugi> fsphil: http://www.ydtalk.com/hurley/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tree2z.jpg
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[12:10] <Laurenceb> CNSP managed 57hours
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[12:11] <Laurenceb> looks like Fadmoor
[12:12] <craag> wow B-6 has deployed backup balloons?!
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[12:12] <UpuWork> I know
[12:12] <UpuWork> epic wtf
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[12:12] <fsphil> haha
[12:13] <fsphil> B-6b
[12:13] <UpuWork> midair refueling of He
[12:13] <fsphil> or france is full of hot air
[12:13] <Ugi> chase car altitude is accurate to the nearest nm !
[12:14] <Laurenceb> 100pm
[12:15] <Laurenceb> no more icarus?
[12:16] <fsphil> crashed and burned
[12:16] <UpuWork> broken decodes
[12:16] <UpuWork> 810m
[12:16] <fsphil> not a bad landing area
[12:16] <Ugi> Laurenceb: important to be accurate to the wavelenght of an electron in such an important dimension!
[12:16] <UpuWork> possibly 601
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[12:17] <UpuWork> gone
[12:18] <Laurenceb> got to be down by now
[12:20] <Laurenceb> coming up to 40hours B6 float time soon
[12:21] <Ugi> slight over-delivery on the 25km burst by icarus there
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[12:23] <Jess--> how long before B-6 breaks spacenear
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[12:24] <HixWork> I've got to admit, whatever B6 is drawing, looks nothing like an arse at France
[12:25] <eroomde> LeoBodnar: the Lemo M series are GORGEOUS
[12:25] <eroomde> i had no idea
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[12:25] <LeoBodnar> I know, it's better than sex
[12:25] <eroomde> they're so light and so beautiful
[12:25] <eroomde> i'm used lemo push-pull before
[12:25] <eroomde> but the Ms, wow!
[12:25] <eroomde> ratcheting screw
[12:25] <eroomde> all o-ring sealed
[12:26] <eroomde> featherweight compared to the amphenols
[12:26] <LeoBodnar> Are you going to blow them up?
[12:26] <eroomde> def buying the right crimptool
[12:26] <eroomde> we may be giving a few back to mother nature
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[12:26] <UpuWork> Rob has a position but hes got no internet
[12:26] <UpuWork> they are about 20 mins out
[12:27] <Alchamist> How very dare he not have any internet?
[12:27] <HixWork> I see it now. B6 is going to write LEO all over the channel
[12:27] <eroomde> or we might just use some decent quality crimped D connectors for the expendable bits. tbd
[12:28] <craag> HixWork: looks good so far!
[12:28] <[pa3weg]Work> switched back to B-6, back to work
[12:28] <UpuWork> thanks for your help Wouter
[12:28] <UpuWork> bit weird no one in the UK could get it
[12:30] <daveake> Yorkshire being outside the UK of course :)
[12:31] <HixWork> :D
[12:31] <Alchamist> They talk a foreign language ...
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[12:32] <UpuWork> that we do
[12:32] <Laurenceb> 40 hours float
[12:32] Action: Alchamist looks for the Yorkshirish->English translation options on Google
[12:32] <fsphil> I really can't explain that drop
[12:32] <iainSGX_garden> looks like B6 took a drop in altitude then rose back up again, odd
[12:33] <UpuWork> I'd love know why that drop occured
[12:33] <UpuWork> this is going to blow Jcoxon's mind
[12:33] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5IFwHQhC3o
[12:33] <fsphil> I was convinced it had burst
[12:33] <UpuWork> time to solder
[12:35] <HixWork> Alchamist, here's a handy reference http://goo.gl/4d4tl
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[12:36] <Willdude123> Hey y'all
[12:37] <Ugi> afternoon Willdude123
[12:37] <Willdude123> Just thinking about what's wrong with my BBB serial.
[12:39] <Maxell> Intresting winds at B-6 :)
[12:39] <Willdude123> I guess it could be a timin issue but my ftdi rxed it fine.
[12:39] <Willdude123> *timing
[12:40] <mfa298> Willdude123: try the things you were told first night.
[12:40] <Piet0r> I'm wondering why B-6 does not get higher then 7KM
[12:41] <Willdude123> Ah yes.
[12:41] <mfa298> also remember the different types of link will work in slightly different ways, with the ftdi cable it's all over copper so it should work better than over the radio
[12:41] <craag> Piet0r: There's someone up there with a baseball bat knocking it back down!
[12:41] <gonzo__> very underinflated balloon I guess. Hence the float
[12:42] <Ugi> Piet0r: the foil balloon does not stretch very much but is strong enough to maintain an over-pressure
[12:42] <Willdude123> Right.
[12:42] <Willdude123> I'll try minicom
[12:42] <Willdude123> And err.
[12:42] <gonzo__> I was assuming B6 is a latex pico?
[12:42] <mfa298> also buy a notebook so when people tell you things to try you can write them down!
[12:43] <craag> gonzo__: No, foil.
[12:43] <gonzo__> ah, then the altitude is suprising
[12:43] <gonzo__> super light payload?
[12:43] <craag> Yeah, makes me want to give it a go with a light payload!
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[12:44] <craag> This one is 20g with AA.
[12:44] <Willdude123> mfa298: Yeah, I'll check the logs.
[12:44] <gonzo__> really doing well for a single AA
[12:44] <gonzo__> what's his tx? NTX2?
[12:44] <craag> About another 8 hours I think
[12:44] <Willdude123> But they're blocked.
[12:44] <craag> No, custom
[12:45] <craag> gonzo__: http://www.leobodnar.com/balloons/B-6/
[12:45] <gonzo__> ah yes, the tcxo and gpsdo solution
[12:45] <gonzo__> thanks will look
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[12:47] <Babs__> B6 is desperately trying to get down to pick up some duty free booze on the way back to Blighty
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[12:51] <Piet0r> I guess ICARUS has landed?
[12:51] <eroomde> Babs__: you need some of these connectors in your life
[12:51] <eroomde> i will bring some to the conf
[12:51] <eroomde> they're amazing
[12:52] <iain_G4SGX> Quick question, does DL-Flidgi install ok on 64 bit ubuntu? Never had a problem before but doesn't wanna know this time.
[12:52] <Alchamist> Piet0r: Yes
[12:53] <Babs__> eroomde - what connectors?
[12:53] <Babs__> post da link
[12:53] <eroomde> Lemo M
[12:53] <eroomde> one sec
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[12:54] <eroomde> http://uk.mouser.com/images/microsites/LEMOmSeries.png
[12:54] <LeoBodnar> Lemo M connector images are banned by most ISPs
[12:54] <Babs__> what do they do?
[12:54] <eroomde> connect
[12:54] <mfa298> iain_G4SGX: I would assume it should (although I don't use ubuntu much) are you compiling source or using the .debs ?
[12:54] <HixWork> eroomde, lol
[12:54] <LeoBodnar> Male parts mates with femail
[12:54] <Babs__> dont encourage him Hixwork
[12:55] <Babs__> single wire with single wire, multiple controller wires, can they rotate?
[12:55] <eroomde> they're just connectors for cables
[12:55] <Ugi> B-6 has been going down again for a while
[12:55] <LeoBodnar> *female
[12:55] <eroomde> but very lightweight, vibration proof, waterproof
[12:55] <HixWork> Babs__, the simple asnwer is the increase your budget on a log scale :)
[12:55] <HixWork> and look very shiny and purdy
[12:55] <Babs__> Hixwork - nothing can be as expensive as BABSHAB
[12:55] <HixWork> it just did
[12:56] <eroomde> cables and connectors are usually the biggest cause of failures and intermitted errors in non-trivial mechatronicsy environemtns
[12:56] <eroomde> (rocket, cars, planes, whatever)
[12:56] <Babs__> but why do *i* need it over everyone else?
[12:56] <HixWork> i've always found scotch connectors to be sufficient
[12:56] Action: HixWork trolls
[12:56] <Babs__> or is it just you know I like shiny things
[12:56] <iain_G4SGX> mfa298: I was trying to ass the ppa, Im sure last time i did that and it appeared on software center. will look for the deb file. If not I'll try compile it but rather not!
[12:56] <eroomde> so you initially think 'how much!?!?' and then have a few failed field expeditions with kit and spend a few overnights on remote sites fixing wiring problems
[12:56] <eroomde> then you discover mulspec connectors
[12:56] <iain_G4SGX> *add
[12:56] <eroomde> then the end
[12:56] <eroomde> happily ever after
[12:56] <HixWork> mmmmmmmmm shiny
[12:57] <x-f> B-6 temperature doesn't match with the one from the first dive - http://i.imgur.com/uBAN53x.png
[12:57] <eroomde> and these are particularly awesome
[12:57] <HixWork> you know you're going to now Babs__ :D
[12:57] <eroomde> they're so light, very shiny, and the mating is wonderful
[12:57] <x-f> LeoBodnar, i've added time and possibly fixed time on the X axe
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE-M> Ah looks like B-6 is descending then :-(
[12:57] <eroomde> connector bit is keyed and slides in, then the other sheath screws on, but it's a multi-thrad screw and it's ratcheted
[12:57] <Babs__> you are too young to know about expert mating, I will buy some and give you the considered view
[12:57] <eroomde> so it's like 1 turn and completely locked and waterprrof
[12:58] <HixWork> :D told you
[12:58] <mfa298> iain_G4SGX: I think all the debs are probably in the ppa - although it's not clear from the page if they're 32 or 64 bit
[12:58] <LeoBodnar> thanks so much x-f !!
[12:58] <eroomde> they're quite expensive from farnell/digikey/mouser
[12:58] <eroomde> i think we're gonna get ours direct from hub
[12:58] <eroomde> hub electronics being the distributor for all sorts of nice connectors
[12:58] <fsphil> B-6 going down again
[12:59] <Alchamist> It's because B6 is far too interesting to enter Brussels airspace ...
[12:59] <eroomde> Babs__: you might also like the lemo K series
[12:59] <eroomde> they're push-pull
[13:00] <Babs__> eroomde - i have just bought a new house, I dont have spare funds for your expensive cables
[13:00] <Ugi> x-f: I wonder if the rise in temp at the first drop really was the heat of a jet exhaust!
[13:00] <eroomde> maybe get a panel-mount female and a cable-mount male and use it to talk to babshab without taking it apart
[13:00] <Babs__> although the irony in all that is that the ring main in the basement keeps tripping out
[13:00] <HixWork> ITT do some good IP rated connectors without resorting to motgage applications
[13:00] <Babs__> ironically, because of cr@ppy cables and connectors
[13:01] <Babs__> babshab and I mainly communicate by telepathy these days
[13:01] <eroomde> http://www.digikey.co.uk/Web%20Export/Supplier%20Content/lemo-1124/pdf/lemo-rugged-m.pdf?redirected=1
[13:02] <HixWork> ITT Sureseal http://goo.gl/hNeBR IP67 rated, pretty darn good for the £
[13:03] <eroomde> but nice metal connectors are nice
[13:03] <eroomde> ]
[13:03] <HixWork> B^ descending to give a visual to F4FWT
[13:04] <iain_G4SGX> HixWork: Got the x201 working with a WWAN card on Win7, world of pain is right, eventually found the APN details in the card download were wrong for Vodaphone PAYG UK though worked ok on contract sim.
[13:04] <gonzo__> Ohh a cellar. Would love to have a callar!
[13:04] <x-f> Ugi, i don't think it was that
[13:04] <gonzo__> even with dodgy electrics
[13:05] <eroomde> we have a cellar in france (am half french)
[13:05] <eroomde> it flooded
[13:05] <eroomde> thus taking out all the electrics
[13:06] <gonzo__> I started digging test holes when I brought my place. No go. Dig a hole a spade depth, it's full fo water within 10 min
[13:06] <HixWork> iain_G4SGX, I've not managed to get a connection as yet, despite 2 differing SIMS showing signal
[13:06] <HixWork> GPS neither
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[13:06] <fsphil> I've never seen a house with a cellar. they seem so rare here
[13:07] <iain_G4SGX> mfa298: sounds similar, what card you using? I ended up with the Gobi2000
[13:07] <eroomde> our french family think we're beneath the poverty line because we don't have a cellar in england
[13:08] <eroomde> they just don't undertsand
[13:08] <eroomde> it would be like not having an indoor toilet
[13:08] <eroomde> to us
[13:08] <x-f> B-6 is going up, again :)
[13:08] <HixWork> I thought the poverty line was drawn on sky packages these days
[13:09] <fsphil> in that case I'm below :)
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[13:10] <HixWork> whilst on that subject, one of my favourite quotes. Mr T. "When I was a school, my family was so poor, I couldn't afford to pay attention"
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[13:12] <PB0NER> 1,42V? was it charged overnight?
[13:12] <eroomde> i'm below too
[13:12] <HixWork> I thnik there is a solar backup
[13:12] <PB0NER> ow, that sounds logical
[13:12] <fsphil> not on this one
[13:13] <HixWork> oh
[13:13] Action: HixWork fails
[13:13] <fsphil> just a single AA
[13:13] <fsphil> don't worry, I thought it had solar too
[13:13] <PB0NER> temperature...
[13:13] <HixWork> been 1.42v for at least 3 hoursw
[13:13] <HixWork> *hours
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[13:14] <PB0NER> I left fldigi open, switched on my radio and voila... decoding
[13:14] <iain_G4SGX> up & down & up again without a corresponding drop in air temp, how wierd.
[13:14] <fsphil> looks like icarus landed in a nice big field
[13:14] <HixWork> i believe the temp sensor is inside the balloon
[13:16] <iain_G4SGX> My glider mate reckons you do get unpredictable localised downdrafts in hot weather though, more data needed.
[13:17] <HixWork> like vertical vortices from the outside of thermals?
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[13:18] <UpuWork> Icarus recovered
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[13:18] <UpuWork> field full of cows
[13:19] <G0TDJ_AFK> For the 'Hams' out there, 10m is swinging. Two repeaters 59+20 on 29.650 and 29.690 FM
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[13:20] <g6uim> am a bit surprised I am getting decodes of B-6 at the moment. 7 Ele beam in the roof
[13:21] <Alchamist> G0TDJ_AFK: Got my exam a week tomorrow, so can't tx on there yet ...
[13:21] <G0TDJ_AFK> Shame Alchamist 10m FM is great fun
[13:21] <LeoBodnar> Temp sensor is inside the UHF transmitter chip HixWork
[13:21] <G0TDJ_AFK> Good luck with the exam
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[13:22] <Alchamist> G0TDJ_AFK: Thanks
[13:22] <HixWork> found out after reading the site properly LeoBodnar
[13:22] <HixWork> still bloody warm up there
[13:23] <HixWork> and that is some remarkable runtime from an AA
[13:23] <HixWork> as I say that it drops 0.01V
[13:23] <HixWork> :/
[13:23] <HixWork> oh back up
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[13:31] <PB0NER> I'm not the only one not decoding anymore.... suddenly stopped and I do not see why it is not...
[13:34] <iain_G4SGX> It path is now very strange, just moved backwards slightly
[13:34] <Ugi> UpuWork: Thanks for shipping out 782 - just hit my desk
[13:34] <Ugi> Yay! I have a habamp!
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[13:36] <iain_G4SGX> Big sporadic E cloud over france right now also. Interesting..
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[13:38] <PB0NER> hmmm now I know, cats and baloons do not mix.... (one of mine fckd with the SQL setting by accident)
[13:38] <Lunar_LanderU> another arduino why are you doing this moment
[13:38] <Lunar_LanderU> no, actually not, sorry
[13:39] <iain_G4SGX> Read an artical in Radcom by a local expert and ex meteorologist that wind shear, ie high altitude cross winds can precipitate sporadic E reflective clouds
[13:39] <x-f> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypubout/1534_trj001.gif
[13:39] <x-f> B-6, where do you want to go today?
[13:40] <LeoBodnar> Not back to Paris surely! ?
[13:41] <fsphil> iain_G4SGX: wonder if we could create our own reflective clouds, by releasing something from a balloon
[13:41] <iain_G4SGX> And bounce of it like for meteor trails? nice idea
[13:42] <fsphil> yea
[13:43] <iain_G4SGX> Time it right dont see why not, worth a go anyway. ballon-scatter, like it..
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[13:43] <fsphil> I'm not sure what material you could release that would do it
[13:44] <Ugi> release loads of those thin silver mylar strands they hang on Christmas trees - that'd do is surely
[13:44] <craag> They did it to jam radar in WW2 using foil strips about 1 inch by 3 inches
[13:44] <craag> Not sure how well that would go down with environmentalists though..
[13:45] <Maxell> Ugi: nice, for what kind of antenna are you going to use to HABamp?
[13:45] <craag> Hmm not sure how much the CAA would like it either :P
[13:45] <iain_G4SGX> Something that on release would react with oxygen to create an ionising layer is what you want.
[13:46] <iain_G4SGX> Not a chemist, but i do know someone i could ask
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[13:46] <iain_G4SGX> lol
[13:46] <Ugi> Maxell: that depends - by this time next week I know if I get planning permission for my loft extension. If so there will be scaffolding over my house & I'll get a proper colinear up there.
[13:46] <craag> So a dispersed rocket exhaust?
[13:46] <PB0NER> that is called chaff : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure)
[13:46] <Ugi> meanwhile I have a smallish yagi in the post
[13:46] <PB0NER> dropped loads of the stuff back in the days
[13:47] <chrisstubbsW> ugi what did you get?
[13:47] <Maxell> See that banana up there? It's Chaff https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Chaff-Netherlands.gif
[13:47] <iain_G4SGX> It would have to be some sort of gas i think, you'd never get much up otherwise
[13:48] <PB0NER> could very well be...
[13:48] <Maxell> Ugi: lets hope for the best: 30 meter mast with HUGE yagi on top :P
[13:48] <Maxell> It's strips of alufoil right?
[13:48] <G0TDJ_AFK> B6 sigs gone intermittent
[13:48] <PB0NER> eh Maxell: I'm planning a friendly visit to refspace soon....
[13:49] <PB0NER> yeas, its strips of metal, can be lay, mylar/alu etc
[13:49] <iain_G4SGX> We'll get the 'chemtrails' brigade after us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
[13:50] <PB0NER> yeah and we do worry about that?.... there is a reason for .50....
[13:50] <HixWork> chaff as in the metallic dust released by MIL aircraft as an avoidance measure for missiles?
[13:50] <Maxell> PB0NER: I heard "you guys" might come vist us one day... "/join #revspace" for chats :P
[13:50] <Maxell> We are also on freenode :-)
[13:50] <Ugi> chrisstubbsW: Antenna? I think I got one like the one you pointed out, only your one was out of stock perminantly so this was more-or-less the sam but a little more expensive I think
[13:51] <PB0NER> ow... never really have done anything with IRC.... when I started..... the Internet was 'not connected' but newsgrous and mail via UUCP....
[13:51] <chrisstubbsW> D-lenp i think it was made by
[13:51] <fsphil> you used the internet pre-SMTP?
[13:52] <PB0NER> yes I did
[13:52] <fsphil> beats me :)
[13:52] <chrisstubbsW> I'm sure the £40 LPRS one is nice if you have the money too
[13:52] <PB0NER> we had a dial-up UUCP to the US back in 87
[13:52] <PB0NER> or 86... not really sure
[13:53] <PB0NER> PA3WEG made a nice little pre-amp too...
[13:54] <Ugi> chrisstubbsW: This is the listing of the one I got: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/244357778.html
[13:55] <Ugi> I expect it will do a turn
[13:55] <Ugi> while I wait for a perminant solution at least
[13:55] <Maxell> Thats pretty short and wide
[13:56] <Ugi> it's the girth that ... oh sorry
[13:56] <iain_G4SGX> Almost a log periodic
[13:56] <iain_G4SGX> Probably nice and broadband
[13:56] <Ugi> yes, it was mostly so that I could have something hand-held for chasing my first launch
[13:57] <PB0NER> MAxell... Maxell@ipv7.xs4all.nl since when does xs4all supports ip-v7? :-)
[13:57] <Ugi> Once I know whether I will get easy roof-access I will decide on something larger
[13:57] <Maxell> PB0NER: it's beta
[13:57] <Maxell> lol
[13:57] <chrisstubbsW> Yeah looks exactly the same. Works okay considering how rubbish it looks :)
[13:58] <chrisstubbsW> fair price too
[13:58] <PB0NER> eh I joined.. #refspace, nobody there....
[13:58] <Lunar_LanderU> hi chrisstubbsW
[13:58] <Ugi> That'll do for now and I await the vaguries of Brentwood Council
[13:58] <HixWork> PB0NER, #revspace
[13:59] <Maxell> :P
[13:59] <PB0NER> indeed... found the type
[13:59] <PB0NER> typo
[14:00] <chrisstubbsW> afternoon lunar
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[14:07] <PB0NER> qswhatever to limechat...
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[14:08] <PB0NER> This should work....
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[14:09] Action: fsphil waves
[14:09] <fsphil> woo, gqrx gets proper fcd++ support
[14:10] <craag> \o/
[14:11] <craag> merged 2 minutes ago, fsphil you are on the ball!
[14:11] <PB0NER> Cool.... If I only had a USRP....
[14:12] <fsphil> usrp would be nice
[14:12] <PB0NER> I will get one.. that is for sure
[14:12] <fsphil> I can't justify the cost
[14:12] <fsphil> but the hackrf might do instead
[14:12] <PB0NER> at the moment I can not even affort lunch....
[14:13] <PB0NER> well as a HAM, it is better/cheaper than most new Rigs....
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[14:19] <Laurenceb> http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/
[14:19] <Laurenceb> looks like some sort of storm system?
[14:22] <HixWork> Laurenceb, http://goo.gl/ycEpW i seeno electrical storms here
[14:23] <Laurenceb> there is something on radar
[14:24] <Laurenceb> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
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[14:27] <chrisg7ogx> Can someone point me towards a a supplier for a box to stow 2-3 dongles in for RF sheilding please
[14:28] <LeoBodnar> I think rain and heavy turbulence is hammering B-6 down. Whether it will dry out enough to float again is a question!
[14:29] <iainSGX_garden> Explains a lot..
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[14:31] <HixWork> chrisg7ogx, Hammond MFG
[14:32] <Laurenceb> LeoBodnar: batteries going to run out soon
[14:32] <Laurenceb> so we might not find out
[14:33] <Laurenceb> 44hours
[14:33] <LeoBodnar> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/B-6/rain.png
[14:36] <Ugi> reckon it will make 48 hours LeoBodnar ?
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[14:37] <LeoBodnar> Battery is good but if it has more than 1g of water/ice on it it will come down
[14:37] <HixWork> what is the cutoff voltage LeoBodnar ? still at 1.41V
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> The problem is that if it's inside the rain cloud it will pretty much stay with the raincloud
[14:37] <Laurenceb> wonder if its in a cloud
[14:37] <Laurenceb> and coming out and hitting sun
[14:37] <LeoBodnar> 0.8V HixWork
[14:38] <Laurenceb> evaporating the water...
[14:38] <LeoBodnar> Shaking it off like a dog
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[14:38] <Ugi> It may be getting wet, falling out below the cloud, then drying and rising back into it!
[14:39] <HixWork> so the battery should have a fair bit of juice left in it no?
[14:39] <Ugi> HixWork: it will go down when it gets colder I expect
[14:39] <Ugi> the voltage that is
[14:39] <LeoBodnar> Yes, looks like it, so if it lands maybe somebody can go and find it
[14:40] <chrisg7ogx> tks hixwork
[14:40] <HixWork> I hedging a bet on it making it until morning :)
[14:40] <HixWork> any use chrisg7ogx ? same as what Upu uses for the HABAmp
[14:40] <LeoBodnar> It is just stuck over the same point on the ground again :(
[14:41] <chrisg7ogx> just got back checking my pc is earthed
[14:42] <chrisg7ogx> hixwork tks yes have selection of diecast ali boxes dongles ger quite hot though
[14:43] <chrisg7ogx> get
[14:43] <chrisg7ogx> reset b6
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[14:43] <chrisg7ogx> power saving mode???
[14:44] <LeoBodnar> Maybe water?
[14:44] <iainSGX_garden> Hope its waterproofed!
[14:44] <LeoBodnar> Don't :)
[14:44] <HixWork> looking back through the history
[14:44] <HixWork> Time: 2013-07-14 23:38:41
[14:44] <HixWork> Position: 51.12042,0.3942
[14:44] <HixWork> Altitude: 5434 m
[14:44] <HixWork> Temperature: -5C
[14:44] <HixWork> Battery: 1.43 V
[14:44] <iainSGX_garden> IP65 i take it? lol
[14:44] <chrisg7ogx> interestingly stronger sigs now maybe out of worst
[14:44] <HixWork> battery didnt take too much of a beating overnight
[14:46] <Ugi> cutoff voltage may be 0.8v but I think those Li batteries go off a cliff around 1.2v. Still hopefully enough to see it through the night.
[14:47] <HixWork> it only needs to be IP63/64 really
[14:47] <Ugi> it sure likes that spot
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[14:48] <PB0NER> yesterday evening it was on 1.39V....
[14:48] <HixWork> wonder if there is a thermal there
[14:48] <staylo_> 5000m isn't an altitude region I'm especially familiar with, but I would have thought light rain clouds would be much lower than that.
[14:49] <HixWork> you can get rainclouds at 4800m in my experience, though its normally snow
[14:49] <PB0NER> mostly yeas... but summerweather can produce different clouds that go up much higher
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[14:50] <staylo_> Not usually when the weather is this stable though
[14:50] <LeoBodnar> Rain can cause downdraft extending to a lower altitude levels
[14:51] <HixWork> its gained 400m again
[14:51] <HixWork> wonder if there is a small area of thermal activity there
[14:52] <Ugi> or it's snagged on a passing hang-glider
[14:52] <[1]iain_g4sgx> looks more stable and in right direction again, fingers crossed.
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[14:52] <HixWork> when it went NW of current it dropped but in that tight circle its been rising mostly by the looks of it
[14:53] <staylo_> I'd guess there's some substantial air movement going on below it, and it's being influenced by it. I doubt it's getting soaked though :)
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[14:54] <staylo_> Either way, this is a really interesting flight to watch :)
[14:55] <LeoBodnar> * to higher altitudes
[14:55] <HixWork> Energizer are really missing an advertising trick ehere aren't they?
[14:55] <PB0NER> coffee... anyone?
[14:56] <iain_g4sgx> Black lots of sugar please..
[14:56] <LeoBodnar> Oh please PB0NER !
[14:56] <daveake> I'm surprised it hasn't prompted French ATC to go on strike
[14:56] <LeoBodnar> Or was it "COFFEE!"
[14:56] <rogerponts> how much would it cost to buy a ballon and a parachute ?
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[14:57] <HixWork> you can't just have a strike daveake. THAT WOULD UNDO ALL THE BEAUROCRACY INVOLVED IN SETTING ONE UP
[14:57] <HixWork> bugger. sorry
[14:58] <PB0NER> france..... excellent proffing ground for nuclear tests.... above ground....
[14:58] <PB0NER> just kidding...
[14:58] <HixWork> I love the place.
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[14:59] <HixWork> never managed to get work there though
[14:59] <PB0NER> eh LeoBodnar can we have a chat someday, somewhere a bit more private?
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[14:59] <LeoBodnar> Oh yes
[15:00] <PB0NER> I think you know what it is about, due to a chat with PB0AHX
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> B-6 made a circuit looking like a landing pattern.
[15:00] <LeoBodnar> With overhead join
[15:01] <PB0NER> needs to check the cross first....
[15:01] <HixWork> its in the holding stack :)
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[15:04] <PB0NER> LeoBodnar.... is the support email read by you?
[15:04] <LeoBodnar> yes
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[15:05] <HixWork> damn, just had to refresh spacenear, looks like a prune is in roder soon
[15:05] <HixWork> *order
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[15:15] <PB0NER> LEOBodnar.... send email to support@....com
[15:16] <Lunar_LanderU> xD
[15:16] <Lunar_LanderU> any suggestions to the oscillating altitude?
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[15:16] <PB0NER> moving air?
[15:16] <LeoBodnar> Thanks PB0NER
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[15:21] <PB0NER> hmmm missed approach? diverting quickly to Antwerp.... it seems really moving
[15:21] <DL7AD> good morning
[15:21] <LeoBodnar> Morning DL7AD !
[15:22] <DL7AD> what does the balloon do?
[15:22] <g4sgx-iain> Would be REALLY cool if B6 came down somewhere where it can be recovered. If its Norfolk I'm ready..
[15:23] <g4sgx-iain> We think it was caught in a small rain storm, now free..
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[15:28] <DL7AD> wow
[15:28] <DL7AD> i was surprised as i saw the height profile
[15:29] <iain_g4sgx> And the path on the map all over the place..
[15:30] <DL7AD> okay thx for the update. im going to take a shower.
[15:30] <HixWork> eroomde, I assume you have already seen this http://goo.gl/358OI
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[15:32] <chrisg7ogx> my money is on a nice skirt of the BENELUX coast and a landing in Denmark
[15:35] <chrisg7ogx> there was a very interesting tv prog about that engine made me quite proud!
[15:37] <Willdude123> Helloy
[15:37] <Willdude123> *hello
[15:37] <Jess--> I predict it will turn back and head for paris again
[15:37] <chrisg7ogx> who has an accurate dial freq for b6 so i can calibrate please?
[15:37] <PB0NER> I'm entering data into NOAA prediction software
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[15:38] <chrisg7ogx> how long before water shortages in the UK?
[15:38] <Jess--> http://predict.habhub.org/#!/uuid=41a03f3b1c669e69d0eabfee0b62c66c113c8999
[15:40] <x-f> tour de France
[15:41] <iain_g4sgx> he he, unsure as to whether the battery will last that long!
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[15:41] <PB0NER> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=13432
[15:41] <PB0NER> just entered the data
[15:42] <PB0NER> (For B-6)
[15:42] <Laurenceb> freezing time soon
[15:43] <Laurenceb> if its ~floating and its goes <0C, it should make it
[15:43] <UpuWork> Really interested to see if it goes past 18:38 UTC tonight
[15:44] <HixWork> is that a record eurofloat time UpuWork ?
[15:44] <PB0NER> but that denmark 'prediction' seems ok...
[15:44] <chrisg7ogx> upuwork why? the battery?
[15:46] <chrisg7ogx> i suppose B6 is in the anti cyclone centre = so in the doldrums
[15:46] <Laurenceb> <UpuWork> Really interested to see if it goes past 18:38 UTC tonight
[15:46] <Laurenceb> why?
[15:47] <HixWork> it is a rather specific time [or length he's getting at i reckon]
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[15:47] <iain_g4sgx> That's whenh he finished work i reckon
[15:47] <Laurenceb> lol
[15:47] <Laurenceb> 48 hours i think
[15:47] <UpuWork> because the tests on the MAX6 enabled payloads using either AVR or PIC are about the same and indicated about 48 hours run time
[15:47] <UpuWork> from an AA
[15:48] <UpuWork> however I've theorycrafted actual consumption may be less due to less reaqusition of satellies
[15:48] <chrisg7ogx> with a pink rabbit?
[15:48] <UpuWork> satellites
[15:48] <UpuWork> now in theory the MAX7 should be slightly better again
[15:48] <PB0NER> chrisg7ogx i'm on 434500.4
[15:48] <UpuWork> however its current usage is all over the place
[15:48] <HixWork> is B6 running a 7
[15:48] <chrisg7ogx> did b6 go into a snooze mode during the night?
[15:48] <UpuWork> but averaged out it *seems* to be slightly better @ 1.8V than the MAX6G
[15:49] <chrisg7ogx> pb0ner tks
[15:49] <HixWork> I think at altitude there is far less noise and a clearer view, which you wuold imagine would require less of the GPS for acquisition and lock
[15:50] <PB0NER> anyone seen this yet? http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hypub-bin/trajresults.pl?jobidno=13432
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[15:51] <Lunar_LanderU> xD that is enormous
[15:51] <pws> pb0ner: Yes, me at Kiel...
[15:51] <PB0NER> prediction for the next 48 hours
[15:53] <chrisstubbs> ooo new hysplit
[15:53] <PB0NER> bummer it it slightly higher than the plane can go (I can rent)
[15:53] <chrisg7ogx> promises lots of tracking fun
[15:53] <PB0NER> otherwise I would have visited the ballloon....
[15:54] <GMT> a'noon all, I see B-6 is still up, is it still transmitting?
[15:54] <PB0NER> yeas it is
[15:55] <HixWork> that is taking an age to load PB0NER
[15:55] <GMT> is it still 434.500?
[15:55] <PB0NER> HixWorks ? what is takeing ages?
[15:55] <HixWork> that link to load
[15:56] <PB0NER> yes, GPS locke txco....
[15:56] <Willdude123> I'm a bit confused on how to use minicom.
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[15:56] <PB0NER> oh, here it loads quickly?
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[15:56] <Laurenceb> 1C
[15:57] <Laurenceb> cooling down up there
[15:57] <PB0NER> I know the author of minicam....
[15:57] <daveake> Willdude123, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardBeginners
[15:58] <Willdude123> Thanks, just getting the hang of it.
[15:59] <PB0NER> battery back on 1.39.....
[15:59] <Willdude123> Looks like I need to put the sentence in a file.
[16:00] <mfa298> Willdude123: you should be able to load up minicom, set the serial port up and then just type characters into it.
[16:00] <mfa298> it's similar to using the serial option in putty (or Hyperterminal)
[16:01] <PB0NER> is beagleboard serial TTL?
[16:01] <mfa298> although on most systems I've used by default minicom will try and send various strings as it assumes you'll be using it with a dialup modem
[16:02] <Laurenceb> bet its freezing now
[16:04] <Willdude123> Ah ok
[16:04] <chrisstubbs> Oh wow I am getting B6 again
[16:05] <PB0NER> 14666 and counting....
[16:05] <Laurenceb> packets?
[16:05] <PB0NER> yep
[16:06] <PB0NER> hmmmm I get the feeling that I need some breakfast....
[16:06] <daveake> Willdude123 You JUST need to type stuff into minicom so it comes out of the port and goes over the radio
[16:06] <daveake> Get that working (or not) first
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[16:09] <iain_g4sgx> Same for me, Im gonna mess around with the Ublox via hyperterminal/minicom before I attempt comms with the pic
[16:10] <cm13g09> Hang on....
[16:10] <cm13g09> What's B6 doing up there!
[16:10] <PB0NER> DOMX16 generates headaches after prolonged time of listening to is....
[16:10] <craag> cm13g09: It's drawing 'LEO'
[16:10] <cm13g09> lol
[16:10] <cm13g09> how much longer is it due to stay up for
[16:10] <craag> Either that, or it's heading off to find picoatlas ix.
[16:11] <craag> Battery another 4 hours I think..?
[16:11] <cm13g09> ah right
[16:11] <craag> It's only one AA!
[16:11] <PB0NER> yesterday it was on 1.39V
[16:11] <Laurenceb> freezing
[16:11] <cm13g09> lol
[16:11] <PB0NER> it went up to 1.42 today....
[16:11] <PB0NER> and now it is back to 1.39.... seems temperature related
[16:11] <craag> Yeah the batteries do better at room temperature.
[16:12] <craag> High internal R when cold.
[16:12] <Willdude123> I set it up but it still says it's on /dev/ttyS1
[16:12] <cm13g09> Unless LeoBodnar has managed to get his power saving VERY well organised.....
[16:12] <craag> Nowhere near as high as alkaline/niMH at low temperatures however!
[16:12] <PB0NER> I think he did a great job on that
[16:12] <GMT> what news from Icarus this morning, did that all go to plan?
[16:12] <craag> GMT: Recovered.
[16:12] <PB0NER> niMH sucks
[16:13] <daveake> Willdude123: option A - Serial Device : /dev/ttyS1
[16:13] <daveake> CHANGE it
[16:13] <Willdude123> Done.
[16:13] <craag> Yeah I looked into NiMH for solar-pico, they drop off SOO quickly under 0!
[16:13] <Willdude123> I'm not THAT stupid.
[16:13] <daveake> then fix it
[16:13] <PB0NER> and there self dischare rate is high
[16:13] <PB0NER> discharge
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[16:14] <PB0NER> high internal resistance
[16:14] <Willdude123> Sure, I WILL try.
[16:14] <GMT> craag: thanks, missed the flight, been up to Suffolk today, did manage a partial decode at 26000m
[16:14] <craag> I've got a ton of AA/AAA ones that I use day-to-day in mouse, headphones, torch, etc and they work well for that.
[16:14] <craag> Also I have a 1h fast-charger.
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[16:15] <PB0NER> charge, and use, leave the for one week..... need to charge again
[16:15] <LeoBodnar> It looks like B-6 has either 1) lost some Helium 2) picked up some weight from moisture 3) moved into a lower pressure area
[16:15] <craag> The one in my mouse lasts 2 months with constant use..
[16:16] <LeoBodnar> I am afraid it will start descending after the sunset pretty much like jcoxon's http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/projects:picoatlas:altitudegraph.png?id=projects%3Apicoatlas%3Apicoatlasix
[16:16] <DL7AD> oO
[16:16] <craag> LeoBodnar: It might still run out battery before it hits the deck though?
[16:17] <craag> Which I'd count as Mission Successful!
[16:21] <PB0NER> baked beans time
[16:21] <LeoBodnar> Would you not if it doesn't :)
[16:21] <craag> Yeah of course!
[16:21] <Willdude123> Wow.
[16:21] <craag> I'm amazed, didn't know they could physically stay up that long.
[16:21] <Willdude123> It works *perfectly*
[16:21] <daveake> OK now send a sentence with it (from a file)
[16:21] <craag> You aren't doing anything special to the balloon/helium?
[16:21] <mfa298> Willdude123: also make sure you know what other settings your using with minicom (data bits, stop bits etc)
[16:21] <iain_g4sgx> OK, I have sneakily raised my SCAM mast at the bottom of my garden up 4 meters cos my take off east is not so good.. Stage 2 of the Neighbour Accustomisation Program..
[16:22] <arko> LeoBodnar: i think B-6 just had a little too much wine while in france
[16:22] <LeoBodnar> No, nothing special, I buy them from internet fill up and let go.
[16:22] <Willdude123> I can even backspace, I didn't realize you could do that!
[16:23] <daveake> Willdude123 Try typing a sentence into notepad or something, then cut 'n' paste it into Minicom. See if that gets received OK.
[16:23] <PB0NER> ^H
[16:23] <daveake> ^G
[16:23] <PB0NER> <system bell>
[16:24] <PB0NER> oh hell why dow I know all that stuff...
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[16:24] <Willdude123> Nope
[16:24] <daveake> Nope what
[16:24] <craag> iain_g4sgx: Nice!
[16:25] <Willdude123> I am the very model of a modern major general, with informations animal and vegetable and mineral. >I am the very model of a modern major general, with informations animal and vegetable and mineral. > I am the`(;GuUw'n major genu(h informa|:g animal a9.gUgral.
[16:25] <Willdude123> Sorry for double paste.
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[16:25] <Willdude123> *information lol
[16:25] <daveake> So you have your answer
[16:26] <Willdude123> So right, I need to somehow send it to serial byte by byte?
[16:27] <PB0NER> ok me... enjoy my meal
[16:29] <PB0NER> for byte in Buffer: send(byte)
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[16:29] <daveake> Willdude123, no
[16:29] <daveake> Set 2 stop bits in minicom repeat test
[16:29] <PB0NER> eh Willdude123 serial data is allways send byte by byte
[16:31] <Willdude123> daveake: Just minicom?
[16:32] <Willdude123> Ah yes
[16:32] <daveake> Yes dl-fldigi doesn't use the setting anyway (AIUI)
[16:32] <Willdude123> Setting were different, dl fldigi wants 2
[16:32] <daveake> Set minicom to 2
[16:33] <Willdude123> Woop woop
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[16:33] <PB0NER> never seen 1.37V before...
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[16:34] <craag> What's the estimated battery life left?
[16:34] <daveake> So Willdude123 all working now?
[16:34] <daveake> If so go try out your Python code
[16:35] <PB0NER> not sure
[16:35] <PB0NER> daveake ? python code?
[16:36] <craag> I'm trying to work out if it did descend at sunset, whether there would be enough life left in it to chase it.
[16:36] <craag> (If it landed in the UK)
[16:36] <daveake> PB0NER, message for Willdude123
[16:36] <rogerponts> Hi, what is better buy this http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=82 and solder the SMA female or buy directly this http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=83 ?
[16:36] <Willdude123> daveake: yeah
[16:36] <iain_g4sgx> down again..
[16:36] <PB0NER> yep I know, but I mean what Python code, I'm interested
[16:36] <daveake> Oh he's writing a tracker for a BeagleBone Board
[16:37] <mfa298> craag: I think the 48 hours was based on a max6 with gps powersaving (but I assume no radio power saving) so with max 7 and having had the radio off some of the night it could go longer
[16:37] <daveake> Willdude123, So it was just dl-fldigi expecting 2 stop bits and the BBB sending one?
[16:37] <craag> mfa298: oooo :D
[16:37] <mfa298> I think that's the reasoning at least
[16:38] <Willdude123> Looks like it yeah
[16:38] <craag> Yeah could be another 12h in it then.
[16:39] <PB0NER> Ok, interesting
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[16:39] <craag> MAX-7 is about half of MAX-6 iirc
[16:39] <Willdude123> I don't really understand why half of it worked.
[16:39] <daveake> Well I'm very glad it's working, but biy that was a lot of work from many people for a really basic error that you were asked about several times
[16:39] <PB0NER> I'm a sort of low level Python expert
[16:39] <PB0NER> and there are some plans for building a RPi or beagleboard payload
[16:40] <daveake> cool
[16:40] <Willdude123> I'm sorry guys for being a <omit word> n00b and for wasting your time with my <omit word> stupid error, which was caused by my <omit word> incompetence.
[16:40] <daveake> no incompetence
[16:40] <daveake> just not listening
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[16:40] <daveake> anyway, glad it's working move on
[16:40] <daveake> Rule 1 in comms: Make sure both ends set exactly the same
[16:40] <Willdude123> Sorry, it was just difficult to notice.
[16:41] <Willdude123> Well not difficult.
[16:41] <Willdude123> But I didn't notice it.
[16:41] <Willdude123> Anyway, let's draw a rather short line under it
[16:41] <PB0NER> I'm sort of amazed by WillDude. It all seems pretty new to him and he is still going
[16:41] <Willdude123> ------
[16:41] <mfa298> Willdude123: part of the trick is work through things methodically.
[16:41] <PB0NER> Kudo's +1
[16:41] Action: Willdude123 grab's PB0NER's comment and sticks it this side of the line.
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[16:42] <mfa298> maybe make yourself a check list of things to check (what are the settings in the code (baud, bits, stop bits etc) what are the settings in dl-fldigi, do they match
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[16:42] <Willdude123> Yeah
[16:43] <PB0NER> I will suddenly be gone (need to fix someones new internet connection)
[16:43] <PB0NER> to return later
[16:43] <Willdude123> At my camhs appointment, my mum mention HABbing as a hobby, so at least she's noticed I enjoy all this stuff.
[16:44] <PB0NER> :-)
[16:44] <Ugi> B-6 dropping past 4.5K this time...
[16:45] <[pa3weg]Work> going home, see you at the other end ;)
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[16:46] <cyclops> Hi!
[16:46] <cyclops> Guys
[16:47] <cyclops> Is there any antenna that works well with the funcube dongle pro+ that I can buy here https://www.hamradio.co.uk as im about to order my funcube from there
[16:48] <rogerponts> Hi, how this amplifier could be powered ? (http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=83)
[16:49] <DL7AD> its coming down
[16:49] <Ugi> rogerponts: you can supply DC power in quite a wide range from an adaptor (jumpers to set voltage) or can take 5v from USB
[16:50] <rogerponts> How could I do it with de USB ? I need an special USB ?
[16:50] <Willdude123> python program is txing nicely.
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[16:51] <craag> Willdude123: \o/
[16:52] <craag> cyclops: Any 70cms white-stick collinear will work well.
[16:52] <Ugi> cyclops: This seems to be typical: http://www.hamradio.co.uk/aerials-antenna-manufacturers-diamond-antennas/diamond/diamond-x-50n-pd-2604.php
[16:53] <craag> Like that one ^^
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[16:57] <Upu> haha you're so getting that back Leo :)
[16:57] <Willdude123> craag: Huh?
[16:57] <craag> Willdude123: Celebration, woop!
[16:58] <craag> Well done!
[16:59] <Ugi> B6 is going to land on F4FWT!
[16:59] <cyclops> thanks for the antenna!
[16:59] <Upu> F5AQP is your man :) France's no Sonde finder
[16:59] <Upu> no 1
[17:00] <cyclops> But, is there any for chasing?
[17:00] <craag> Yeah that's not going to not be recovered :)
[17:00] <cyclops> With the car
[17:00] <craag> cyclops: I don't think he'll use it.
[17:01] <cyclops> What do you mean
[17:01] <Ugi> looks like a net out of the bedroom window might be enough
[17:01] <eroomde> HixServer: yes i have seen it thanks :)
[17:01] <Upu> if it comes down in that area I'll put money it will get recovered
[17:01] <arko> wow LeoBodnar... this is crazy
[17:01] <craag> cyclops: As if, I don't think he'll use the app to put the car icon on the map.
[17:01] <arko> weirdest altitude profile ever haha
[17:02] <cyclops> No i mean an antenna for me to chase my payload
[17:02] <craag> wat it's going up
[17:02] <craag> cyclops: Ah right, sorry.
[17:03] <cyclops> haha, just a confusion :P
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[17:04] <cyclops> Upu, no Habduino news yet?
[17:04] <craag> it went +0.5, 0.0, +0.9 for a moment there..
[17:05] <craag> Quite turbulent I guess.
[17:06] <LeoBodnar> Haha! Coming in to land finally?
[17:06] <Ugi> this is where it levels off again at 3km and carries on for another 12 hours!
[17:06] <arko> LeoBodnar: wine country
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[17:06] <arko> from the looks of the alt profile its already drunk
[17:06] <Upu> PCBs arrived today cyclops
[17:06] <Upu> bear with me
[17:06] <Upu> quite busy
[17:06] <LeoBodnar> Yes, the best of both worlds, wine and HABs falling on your heads
[17:06] <LeoBodnar> Pic!
[17:06] <cyclops> Great news
[17:06] <cyclops> as said I need the module ASAP
[17:06] <cyclops> I hope Im not bothering you with my impatience
[17:06] <cyclops> If thats the case im sorry
[17:07] <Upu> I know but I need to test it
[17:07] <Upu> bear with me :)
[17:07] <cyclops> craag what about this one http://www.hamradio.co.uk/aerials-antenna-manufacturers-diamond-antennas/diamond/diamond-az-504-pd-2510.php
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[17:07] <LeoBodnar> oO
[17:07] <LeoBodnar> Oh no!
[17:07] <LeoBodnar> Upu: pics?!
[17:07] <cyclops> ETA for it ? :P
[17:08] <craag> cyclops: There are some cheaper ones that other people have got.
[17:08] <craag> One was about 12 quid I think.
[17:08] <craag> I don't have the link though.
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[17:09] <GMT> cyclops: you could always make a small beam antenna for a few euros
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[17:10] <craag> cyclops: That is the kind of thing you want though.
[17:11] <craag> For 90% of chases you'll just need that, although sometimes it's good to have a yagi to get out of the boot for when the signal is weak.
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[17:11] <craag> Afternoon jcoxon
[17:12] <craag> What do you think of B-6's altitude profile?
[17:12] <jcoxon> just loading now
[17:13] <Willdude123> Right, now to find a checksum thing.
[17:13] <cyclops> yagi?
[17:13] <jcoxon> craag, weird
[17:13] <Martin_G4FUI> craag - Diamond aerials have a reputation for being well made, and I can certainly vouch for that with my gable end mounted X-50 colinear ...
[17:13] <jcoxon> whats the local weather like in the area?
[17:14] <craag> jcoxon: Leo reckons it was high altitude rain
[17:14] <craag> There were a few showers around
[17:14] <jcoxon> yeah could be
[17:14] <LeoBodnar> the end of the world, later becoming fair
[17:14] <jcoxon> or some up/down drafts
[17:14] <jcoxon> or thermals
[17:15] <craag> Martin_G4FUI: Yep, but for a hab chase magmount 35 quid is a little over the top.
[17:15] <PE2G> cyclops: I use this. It's quite good: http://www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html
[17:15] <PE2G> Someone here purcchased it in the UK
[17:16] <cyclops> well Ilive in spain
[17:16] <cyclops> so Ill take a look and see what can i find
[17:16] <jcoxon> well its been a tremendous flight
[17:16] <jcoxon> though looks like its descending
[17:16] <cyclops> So only that it uses the 70cm band will the antenna work?
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[17:17] <GMT> cyclops: how about a very cheap hand-held yagi, you can make this for less than 5 Euros - http://www.antentop.org/004/files/430.004.pdf
[17:17] <Martin_G4FUI> craag fair enough, horses for courses and all that ... however it should survive a LOT of chases (and not scratch your Roller) :)
[17:18] <cyclops> looks good
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: it has been well battered and must have lost Helium as the result
[17:18] <cyclops> Ill have to sort something to fix it to the car roof
[17:18] <jcoxon> yeah
[17:18] <jcoxon> though the peak altitude looks like perhaps something happened at that point
[17:18] <LeoBodnar> 2km dive at one stage
[17:19] <cyclops> as it will be difficult to chase with the laptop and funcube dongle on hand :P
[17:19] <LeoBodnar> It probably got sucked into the stormy cell of some sort
[17:20] <LeoBodnar> Maybe local turbulence lifted it up to a dangerously low pressure and then threw it backwards towards the ground.
[17:20] <KT5TK> The weight of raindrops...
[17:21] <DL7AD> in this region is rain currently. so theres no doubt raindrops could weight more than freelift
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[17:22] <mikestir> b-6 burst, or ice?
[17:22] <mfa298> cyclops: for chasing in the car having 2 or three people helps. Trying to track and drive at the same time is hard.
[17:22] <cyclops> Im glad that in my launch site it nearly never rains
[17:22] <cyclops> :P
[17:22] <cyclops> mfa298 well surely be 4-5 people
[17:22] <cyclops> and maybe 2 cars
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[17:23] <cyclops> but only one tracking device thought
[17:23] <GMT> no, each car with a tracking device (ie, a radio receiver, and antenna, a laptop)
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[17:24] <mfa298> When we were out at the weekend we had three people, one tracking the balloon, one navigating and one driving.
[17:24] <daveake> This is best
[17:24] <cyclops> It will be difficult GMT I'm the only one willing to pay for a tracker
[17:24] <cyclops> The others are more spectators than anything
[17:25] <PE2G> Let's say an average descent rate of 1 m/s > landing in ~35 mins.
[17:25] <iain_g4sgx> Geez, I leave for half hour and B6 starts falling.
[17:25] <GMT> okay cyclops ... cheap SDR dongle receiver, small home-made antenna; almost evrything else is free (they have their own laptop?)
[17:26] <daveake> Did you also leave about 6 hours ago? :p
[17:26] <mfa298> cyclops: you could always look at getting an rtl-sdr and cheap magmount for the 2nd car, if you're tracking it you should be close enough for that to work
[17:26] <iain_g4sgx> yep, went to wqork.. Its a conspiracy! lol
[17:26] <daveake> Finally we have the answe
[17:26] <daveake> r
[17:27] <iain_g4sgx> I suppose its not looking good for a recovery this time?
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[17:27] <LeoBodnar> You have prevented so many disasters iain_g4sgx by tuning in and not going anywhere
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[17:28] <iain_g4sgx> OK easily solved, I just never leave the house from now on..
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[17:28] <cyclops> GMT and mfa298 Grat idea! thanks a lot
[17:28] <GMT> cyclops: tell the others that they are not allowed to be 'spectators', they have to 'help'
[17:29] <cyclops> Sure!
[17:29] <cyclops> Im so impatient for upu to finish the HAbduino testing, I want to launch!
[17:29] <GMT> everything comes to he who waits!
[17:30] <GMT> where in spain will you launch from?
[17:30] <LeoBodnar> Battery voltage is 1.44v - can fly another mission on this one
[17:30] <Willdude123> Are checksums txed in hex?
[17:31] <cyclops> South
[17:31] <cyclops> Jaen
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[17:31] <Ugi> iain_g4sgx: upu reckons it's landing on the doorstep of France's premier blloon recovery expert!
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[17:31] <cyclops> A lot of empty space
[17:32] <cyclops> Low trees (olive trees)
[17:32] <GMT> cyclops: okay, make sure that you get lots of publicity before you launch ... tell all the locals radio hams and radio clubs, tell the Spanish radio mags (are there any?); more publicity means more listeners and helpers
[17:33] <cyclops> MAG stands for?
[17:33] <LeoBodnar> Autoroute des Anglais - how appropriate
[17:33] <cyclops> magazine?
[17:33] <GMT> mag = magazines
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[17:33] <cyclops> Ill find out if there are
[17:34] <cyclops> and tell everyone :D
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[17:38] <Herman-PB0AHX> good evening to all
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[17:39] <Willdude123> Where can I get sample setences to test my checksum function?
[17:39] <DL7AD> sentences? maybe this one?
[17:40] <Babs__> scary http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23334709
[17:42] <G0TDJ_AFK> Willdude123: YOu can read a couple of sentences from this screen grab if it helps: http://i.imgur.com/DlejxRV.jpg
[17:42] <DL7AD> wow its descent slows down
[17:42] <Willdude123> Actually my code is awful.
[17:42] <Willdude123> Right.
[17:42] <cyclops> what about this antenna? ill translate http://www.astroradio.com/113211.html
[17:43] <Willdude123> So how do I do checksum code? I have this https://pypi.python.org/pypi/crc16/0.1.0
[17:43] <G0TDJ_AFK> Actually..... LeoBodnar Will the checksum be correct for what's displayed on FLDigi? Are the extra characters in the text string included?
[17:43] <Willdude123> But the checksums the example is making don't seem to match up with examples.
[17:43] <cyclops> Bi band 144/430Mhz magnetic base 50cm long SMA male conector and max 10w
[17:43] <G0TDJ_AFK> Willdude123: I'm afraid I haven't a clue, I'm a bigtime noob
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[17:44] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:45] <Ugi> It's gonna float again at 2km!
[17:45] <DL7AD> lol
[17:45] <Willdude123> It comes out with things like 12739
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[17:46] <Willdude123> That doesn't look like a checksum how I've seen them.
[17:46] <x-f> convert that to hexadecimal
[17:46] <mfa298> Willdude123: that looks like a decimal number you need to change it to hex
[17:47] <Willdude123> Right.
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[17:47] <Willdude123> So I'll try this : $$hadie,181,10:42:10,54.422829,-6.741293,27799.3,1:10*002A
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[17:47] <Willdude123> Is all from $$ to * checksummed?
[17:47] <daveake> between not including
[17:48] <Ugi> gotta run guys - maybe see B-6 still up later!
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[17:48] <Willdude123> >>> print hex(y)
[17:48] <Willdude123> 0x2738
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[17:49] Action: Wouter-[pa3weg]1 arrived home, preparing dinner and tracking B-6 ;)
[17:49] <Willdude123> Where y=(crc16.crc16xmodem('hadie,181,10:42:10,54.422829,-6.741293,27799.3,1:10'))
[17:49] <GMT> cyclops: that looks a good antenna ... you won't be transmitting through it, and it will easily stick to the roof of the car; I use one like this myself
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[17:50] <arko> floating again?
[17:50] <Willdude123> So that evidently isn't the way to do it.
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[17:51] <GMT> cyclops: quite a good price too ...13.5 Es ... I think mine cost almost exactly the same.
[17:52] <LeoBodnar> Going around?
[17:52] <craag> arko: uh? that's weeeird.
[17:53] <arko> i love this hab
[17:53] <arko> its not giving up
[17:53] <arko> NO, NO GROUND, NO!
[17:53] <arko> trolling hab
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[17:54] <B-6> ha fooled you didn't I!
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[17:54] <cm13g09> B-6: Inverting logic since 2013....
[17:54] <arko> lol
[17:54] <cm13g09> What goes down... must go up!
[17:54] <craag> crap... forgot about the user id
[17:54] <cm13g09> lol
[17:54] <arko> :P
[17:54] <arko> nice job craag haha
[17:54] <LeoBodnar> This whole B-6 thing has less sense than a talking sponge.
[17:55] <cm13g09> also craag, there are those of us who would recognise that v6 prefix...
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[17:55] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: it's OK, who said habbing had to make sense ;)
[17:55] <GMT> nice one craag ... had me fooled; I thought Leo B was up to his programming tricks again
[17:55] <craag> cm13g09: It could have been dead:d0d0, but it's cooler in uni!
[17:55] <cm13g09> lol
[17:55] <cm13g09> yes
[17:56] <arko> im so glad there isn't a learning algorithm in spacenear us
[17:56] <cm13g09> I forgot that's Helios-FA's prefix ;)
[17:56] <arko> it probably would have killed itself by now
[17:56] <LeoBodnar> 0x0BAD 0xF00D
[17:56] <arko> ERROR
[17:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[17:56] <Willdude123> So how do I do checksums properly?
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[17:56] <craag> I'm waiting for the predictor to start writing depressed messages again..
[17:57] <arko> haha
[17:57] <arko> "I don't know what to believe anymore..."
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[17:57] <cm13g09> lol
[17:57] <x-f> "it ignores me anyway"
[17:57] <arko> haha
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[17:58] <LeoBodnar> It's going back to the loopy place that brought it down. Is it where Roswell ACTUALLY happened?
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[17:58] <cm13g09> that's got some serious "Up" speed
[17:59] <cm13g09> or not!
[17:59] <arko> LeoBodnar: I was about to ask if this is the bermuda triangle of france
[17:59] <cm13g09> or has the tracker gone loopy
[17:59] <GMT> predictor says "dont mind me ... here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to work out whats happening to a balloon ...(mutter, mutter)"
[17:59] <arko> lol
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[18:00] <LeoBodnar> There must be a massive pile of balloons in this place. All with trackers still working.
[18:00] <Willdude123> OK nvm I'll ask later.
[18:00] <GMT> Leo: Mass launch!
[18:01] <craag> No wonder F5APQ is the no 1 sonde finder, he's got a bloody big magnet in his back yard!
[18:01] <mfa298> Willdude123: you need to make sure you're using the right checksum method.
[18:01] <Willdude123> Ok
[18:01] <number10> Willdude123: did you read this yet http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[18:02] <LeoBodnar> On a 3000m mast craag
[18:03] <arko> LeoBodnar: any idea how much battery life is left?
[18:03] <LeoBodnar> This is one unorthodox balloon
[18:03] <arko> seriously
[18:03] <arko> i think it's trying to get back on the freeway
[18:03] <arko> or whatever france calls it
[18:04] Action: mfa298 thinks spacenear.us might be due another prune.
[18:04] <LeoBodnar> A day's worth maybe at this temperature? It's 1.46v which is massive. I never used AA before so can't say exactly
[18:04] <fsphil> it's still up? no way
[18:04] <cm13g09> LeoBodnar: it clearly doesn't get the idea of "up or down, not both!"
[18:05] <fsphil> oooh very low
[18:05] <GMT> arko: Les Francais call it "L'Autoroute", the brits call it the 'rue de booze'
[18:05] <fsphil> hah
[18:05] <LeoBodnar> It's "English Highway" - Autoroute des Anglais
[18:05] <arko> wow!
[18:06] <Willdude123> number10: yAH
[18:06] <arko> look at that battery!
[18:06] <arko> i didnt even notice
[18:06] <fsphil> how is that thing still up there
[18:06] <arko> where is all this data being stored?
[18:06] <arko> spacenear
[18:06] <fsphil> burn him, he's a witch!
[18:06] <LeoBodnar> Aliens have charged it up
[18:07] <LeoBodnar> It's a secret power station but works only below 2000m
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[18:07] <fsphil> highly trained swifts with battery modules
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[18:07] <cm13g09> lol, I'm loving the explanation
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[18:08] <fsphil> a group of angry french men underneath, keep blowing it back up
[18:08] <fsphil> "we cannot allow these english balls here!"
[18:08] <arko> hahaha
[18:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko
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[18:08] <LeoBodnar> We already have Montgolfier (sp?) brothers here!
[18:09] <fsphil> an hour to belgium
[18:09] <fsphil> dear god
[18:09] <fsphil> it's so slow
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> uz uz uz uz slow uz uz uz uz slow
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:11] <arko> hihhi
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[18:13] <jcoxon> b-6 does not want to die
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> Is it an Ozzie balloon that just reached its apogee?
[18:14] <jcoxon> not sure what you mean
[18:14] <LeoBodnar> I'll get me coat
[18:15] <jcoxon> haha
[18:15] <x-f> it went up on an upside down world :)
[18:17] <jcoxon> ping eroomde_
[18:17] <mikestir> did icarus get recovered?
[18:17] <fsphil> I believe so mikestir
[18:17] <fsphil> from a field full of cows
[18:17] <mikestir> looked like it was at risk of landing in someone's back garden!
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[18:19] <LeoBodnar> What was icarus(TM) mission?
[18:19] <DL7AD> hi again from qrl. who tought that it wont gonna float again? hehe
[18:20] <jcoxon> DL7AD, who knows
[18:20] <fsphil> my solicitor says I can't say LeoBodnar
[18:20] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, school flight i think
[18:20] <DL7AD> but thats good
[18:20] Nick change: qyx__ -> qyx_
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> cool
[18:20] <jcoxon> its quite toasty up there
[18:20] <jcoxon> 18C
[18:20] <jcoxon> is that the silab temp sensor?
[18:20] <LeoBodnar> how do you define float jcoxon for timing purposes?
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> Yes, inside the TX chip
[18:21] <jcoxon> in the early days +/- 0.5m/s
[18:21] <jcoxon> but that was more for latex
[18:21] <LeoBodnar> Is it still floating then?
[18:21] <jcoxon> i think its clear when floating stopped
[18:21] <jcoxon> hehe
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> XD
[18:22] <mikestir> this is more "bobbing"
[18:22] <jcoxon> now you are getting cheeky
[18:22] <LeoBodnar> So diving 2km is not really a pure floating? :)
[18:22] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, that said flight duration is what really counts
[18:23] <LeoBodnar> I'll leave it for bean counters
[18:24] <jcoxon> so we are 48hrs now
[18:24] <jcoxon> actually coming up to 49hrs
[18:24] <jcoxon> which will put you 4th on teh arhab list
[18:26] <LeoBodnar> 1st data point is 18:42 UTC
[18:26] <craag> lol at telling our friends on the other side of the pond that the records were beaten by a single AA..
[18:26] <jcoxon> eek
[18:26] <jcoxon> they can be a bit funny about our submissions sometimes
[18:26] <craag> oh yeah, you have to announce it to them first?
[18:26] <craag> before launch or something
[18:27] <LeoBodnar> Haha!
[18:27] <arko> craag: which record?
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[18:27] <cyclops> ahh y hate my connection
[18:28] <craag> arko: jcoxon mentioned this now ranks 4th for flight duration on arhab.org
[18:28] <arko> oh wow
[18:28] <cyclops> GMT thanks for your imput
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[18:28] <cyclops> ill buy that one
[18:28] <LeoBodnar> Well, I always wanted to ask this - what stops someone (apart from pride) to stick a "ReportedAltitude *= 1.5;" line in their code
[18:28] <number10> we can tell LeoBodnar
[18:29] <LeoBodnar> Cool! But I thought it is self-discipline really
[18:30] <number10> checks the payload isnt outside my window
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[18:30] <LeoBodnar> Lol, synchronised dummy payloads scattered around the country
[18:30] <fsphil> you can tell my general receiver coverage
[18:30] <fsphil> if a payload it fibbing
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> Excellent, I hope there were no cheaters so far
[18:31] <LeoBodnar> ?
[18:31] <craag> If anything, from your coverage I think you've put in 'altitude *= 0.8'
[18:31] <craag> :P
[18:33] <LeoBodnar> Let's forget this sad subject looking at cycling and other sports :(
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[18:33] <craag> mm
[18:33] <craag> But no, no cheaters so far.
[18:33] <craag> I can't see why you'd want to tbh.
[18:34] <LeoBodnar> I have no idea! Armstrong should know.
[18:34] <mattbrejza> remember that all synthetic helium performance enhancers are banned :P
[18:34] <craag> Getting that bit higher/further than everyone is good, but it's small compared to the fun of it imo!
[18:34] <craag> haha
[18:35] <LeoBodnar> Some people forget to put altitude in telemetry altogether ;)
[18:36] <craag> I did have someone at one point who asked me why I needed to know how high it was, just where it was on the ground was surely enough?!
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[18:37] <LeoBodnar> Maybe you don't even need to know where, just have "Contact Light" LED
[18:37] <LeoBodnar> XD
[18:37] <mfa298> or a good telescope / zoom lense on your camera
[18:38] <mfa298> although that's harder with the normal english weather
[18:38] <craag> LeoBodnar: That would have been useful over the weekend, we walked right past LOHAN (about 2m away mostly hidden).
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[18:38] <GMT> I demnd that this balloon takes a urine test when it lands!
[18:39] <Babs__> "contact light", "main bus b"...i'm detecting a theme
[18:39] <craag> We need a spacecraft!
[18:39] <daveake> I thought Lithium was supposed to stop the ups and downs :p
[18:39] <LeoBodnar> Is it using (illegally) a motorway to ride in a hot air ascending from it?
[18:40] <LeoBodnar> My hovercraft is full of eels
[18:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> in hydroxide variant it makes a great air crubber for CO2
[18:40] <GMT> the french police will be after it ... it has not paid its motorway fees
[18:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> *scrubber
[18:41] <LeoBodnar> Could this be one massive distributed prank on a giant scale?
[18:42] <LeoBodnar> A paraglider who cut payload off and just taking the proverbial?
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[18:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> well, Leo, to be honest I do suspect a balloon that heads off to france straight away without UK border control, then linkers around the capital, and just before crossing the belgian border changes its mind. Please clarify your intentions ;)
[18:52] <UpuWork> going up again ?
[18:52] <UpuWork> not wierd at all
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> We have uh a small malfunction here, uh balloon coordinate system was wired backwards uh, do you want to keep it?
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> Nothing is weird anymore methinks
[18:53] <UpuWork> oh I just noticed something
[18:53] <UpuWork> 48 hours
[18:53] <UpuWork> scweeeet
[18:53] <LeoBodnar> Just practicing touch-and-go landings here.
[18:54] <craag> It's just realised it's going to have to put on some altitude to get over Belgian border control, but is struggling with all the booze it's picked up.
[18:54] <daveake> more fly pasts than Fairford next weekend
[18:54] <Boggle> still plenty of battery to go too
[18:54] <jcoxon> haha this is crazy
[18:54] <LeoBodnar> What?! ¬100 landing fee? Tower we are going around (and away)
[18:55] <craag> "You're going to charge me a landing fee, oh well I just won't ever land then, watch me!"
[18:55] <LeoBodnar> I thought I was going to have a quiet night tonight
[18:56] <craag> What? I had this vision of a queue of balloon next to a door with a big red/green light marked "Frequency Clear"?
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[18:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> hahaha
[18:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> B-6 clear to land after the B-52 please
[18:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> *no, sorry mate, I will do a flypast*
[18:58] <daveake> " Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit tracking"
[18:59] <pws> Come on: here at Kiel Aerodrome landing fee depends on noise level of the aircraft
[19:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> B-6, please contact eurocontrol at 434.500
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[19:01] <arko> what is this hab doing!?
[19:01] <UpuWork> refusing to die
[19:01] <GMT> daveake: apparently there's a 30-minute gap in the flying display next saturday afternoon, would you like to attend and do a launch?
[19:02] <daveake> sorry on the phone PM ...
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[19:05] <LeoBodnar> Eurocontrol, please contact B-6 on 434.500 and try to talk it down
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[19:05] <daveake> s/talk/shoot/
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[19:10] <jcoxon> dial freq anyone?
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[19:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.500.000
[19:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> Wild guess
[19:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> but it didn't change more than 10 Hz in the first 24 hours
[19:11] <jcoxon> can't see anything on teh waterfall currently
[19:11] <jcoxon> will leave it running
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> cool
[19:12] <junderwood_M0JCU> It decodes for me even when I can't see it
[19:12] <jcoxon> yeah but its hard to find in the first place!
[19:12] <LeoBodnar> It must come to its senses at some point
[19:12] Action: jcoxon doesn't want it to come down
[19:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> If you set the modem centre frequency to 1536 and the dial to 434.500000, it will just appear in the middle
[19:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> (assuming your radio is calibrated the same as mine :)
[19:14] <mattbrejza> im 434.5 and modem central of 1288
[19:14] <junderwood_M0JCU> LeoBodnar, if you want to launch another one, you will have to pick a new frequency.
[19:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> I don't think the modem needs to be placed precisely.
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[19:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> I noticed it worked a few 10s of Hz off without any problem
[19:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> come on Leo, tell us how you trained those pidgeons to do relay flights!
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[19:20] <jcoxon> seems to have settled a bit at 3100m
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[19:24] <number10> I am 434.500.56 centre 1400 and currently receiveing
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[19:34] <rharrison_> Evening all
[19:34] <GMT> evenin
[19:35] <GMT> I heard your flight this morning in Suffolk on a small whip ant
[19:35] <rharrison_> Thank you every one who helped track today
[19:35] <rharrison_> GMT, good decode
[19:35] <GMT> goo recovery?
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[19:35] <daveake> You mean "Upu" :)
[19:35] <rharrison_> Yep 5m from track to farmhouse
[19:35] <PE2G> Huray!! Got my very first greens
[19:36] <GMT> rharrison_: only a partial decode as it was at 26000m
[19:36] <rharrison_> Cool. Quite pleased with the aly
[19:36] <rharrison_> altitude
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[19:37] <fsphil> I heard the signal but no decode .. it seemed oddly weak
[19:37] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> PE2G, congrats!
[19:38] <rharrison_> Whip ant
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[19:38] <fsphil> and yes, a nice altitude
[19:38] <rharrison_> I normally use a 1/4 wave
[19:38] <fsphil> just as well too, or it might have gotten a bit wet :)
[19:39] <rharrison_> Yep 1600g balloon with a 1200g payload
[19:39] <PE2G> Elevation was -1.2 deg, dx 570 km
[19:40] <fsphil> what antenna PE2G?
[19:40] <PE2G> 7 elem. yagi
[19:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi rharrison_ congratulations
[19:40] <fsphil> yagi's are so much better than colinears
[19:40] <rharrison_> Lunar_Lander, thanks
[19:40] <PB0NER> me back
[19:42] <PB0NER> hmm lost it @ 15142
[19:43] <chrisg7ogx> i can hear and see it but only reds
[19:43] <chrisg7ogx> green
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[19:46] <PB0NER> with better 'ears' .....
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> its strange
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> now that I made my big dual core tracker, now I read about that interrupts may be easy
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> and now I think about the future PCB, but again how to do it
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. for Upu's GPS, do you just make 8 holes in a row or so?
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> and these problems
[19:47] <daveake> Interrupts for rtty?
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, if you are making a PCB you may as well SMD mount the ublox and antenna yourself
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah i.e. taking data while the radio is running
[19:48] <daveake> OK, and what processor?
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> I would say atmega644 due to the number of I/O pins
[19:49] <daveake> and how many serial ports does that have?
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> 2
[19:49] <daveake> and how many are you using?
[19:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> PE2G, about the same as I get in performance from the ¨low¨ building
[19:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> -1.6deg
[19:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> DX, dunno, does not interest me too much
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> the GPS uses one and the other one is vacant
[19:50] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but now it is at -0.2 from my spot
[19:50] <daveake> Now guess my next sentence :p
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> but I think on a board you should like think ahead and have means to use all ports in the future
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> yeah why not use atmeta328
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> atmega
[19:51] <daveake> Lunar_Lander, You could use the spare one to send RTTY
[19:51] <daveake> No problem with using an I/O pin and a timer, but you have a spare UART waiting for something to do :)
[19:51] <fsphil> you'd still need an interrupt to feed it bytes, but it's vastly simpler than doing rtty the hard way
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> does that allow for having two tasks at once?
[19:52] <fsphil> yes*
[19:52] <fsphil> (*mostly)
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[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:53] <fsphil> interrupts don't happen at the same time as your other code, they stop (interrupt if you will) the running code while they run
[19:53] <fsphil> but it means your main code doesn't have to care
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> and that is sort of the main problem
[19:54] <fsphil> this also means your interrupts should be very short
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> and the cause I made that two chip tracker
[19:54] <fsphil> or they wlil have an impact on the main code
[19:54] <rharrison_> A few pics from todays school launch. Don't ask
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea so there is no time for sending out 20 seconds of data lineß
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[19:55] <rharrison_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30721501@N05/sets/72157634671514508/
[19:55] <fsphil> your interrupt isn't sending entire strings though Lunar_Lander, just putting a byte into a buffer
[19:56] <daveake> hmm looks familiar :p
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> so I suppose that UART connection method only involves the TX pin on the CPU side?
[19:56] <daveake> That looks like an actual toy; I made mine from foam :)
[19:56] <fsphil> nice shots
[19:56] <rharrison_> It was some toy from the golden arches I think
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[19:57] <daveake> My one - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=873
[19:57] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: once the uart is setup, you only need to write bytes to the uart register
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:58] <fsphil> the avr has an interrupt that triggers each time a byte has finished sending
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> I meant the physical setup
[19:58] <fsphil> in the interrupt, you just feed another
[19:58] <daveake> Lunar_Lander With normal timer-driven rtty the interrupt happens every bit; for you it would be every byte
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:58] <fsphil> yea the tx line is exactly the same as gpio line you'd drive an ntx2 from
[19:59] <iain_g4sgx> I'm experimenting with putting the pic to sleep between transitions when sending rtty and waking every new bit transition. Seems crazy the pic waiting for 167,000 odd clock cycles before running a couple of hundred before waiting again.
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> My tracker seems to have buggered itself of its own accord. loaded on some new code and it started just decoding to f's and 0's. reverted to an old backup and it still does it
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> does this sound like 50 baud? chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/cheapo5_1.wav
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> and yes, in my current code (or Anthony's) the staging is string, byte, bit
[19:59] <PE2G> Some greens again, elevation is -1.2 deg, dx 376 km
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[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> so that lowest stage will be obsolete I get
[20:00] <fsphil> sounds a bit slow chrisstubbs
[20:00] <chrisstubbs> thats what I thought :/
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> im better batteries last till midnight
[20:00] <rharrison_> daveake, nice tardis
[20:00] <daveake> ta :)
[20:00] <Laurenceb_> dis
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> r
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[20:01] <daveake> Just a box with printed sides and painted roof/base. Oh, and a flashing LED :)
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:01] <jcoxon> chrisstubbs, arduino?
[20:01] <chrisstubbs> yeah
[20:01] <jcoxon> is it the correct bootloader?
[20:01] <chrisstubbs> atmega328p 3.3v 8mhz
[20:01] <jcoxon> as in change the crystal freq
[20:01] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: it's 25 baud
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[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> I think there is much to get my head around, i.e. that UART driving the NTX2 (software side) and how to make the actual PCB
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[20:01] <fsphil> just measured it in audacity
[20:01] <chrisstubbs> ah :P
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> I think we can actually drop a lot of the LEDs
[20:02] <fsphil> none of my boards have had any LEDs
[20:02] <daveake> Lunar_Lander, electrically you JUST drive the NTX2 with the UART Tx line instead of a normal I/O line. That's it
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> Oh life!
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> this _did_ all work.. let me have a crack at reburning the fuses. they have screwed up before now
[20:02] <LeoBodnar> here
[20:03] <rharrison_> Is there any way to pump data to habhub from the dl-fldigi?
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, that is what I understood, thus I wrote the software side thing
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> the good thing is, that with atmega644, atmega1284 also fits into the socket
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[20:03] <LeoBodnar> I have logged into habhub channel and was wondering why no messages for 1.5 hours
[20:03] <rharrison_> chrisstubbs, are you sure the settings are correct on fldigi
[20:03] <fsphil> atmega644 is probably overkill
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> which would give double the memory if needed
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but it has a lot of pins though
[20:04] <chrisstubbs> well it should be 50b according to the code rharrison_
[20:05] <rharrison_> can you link a sample of the output I'll try a decode here if you like
[20:06] <chrisstubbs> chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/cheapo5_1.wav
[20:06] <chrisstubbs> cheers :)
[20:06] <fsphil> it's definitly 25 baud :)
[20:06] <rharrison_> #foo
[20:06] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: there is another the same as the 644p but with half the memory
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[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD I am just thinking if it was stupid to built Stormdrifter II like this
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> yeah something from the 300 series
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[20:06] <fsphil> atmega324p
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[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> but the thing is my current code already has 30 KB
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:07] <fsphil> what are you doing man? running Windows XP on it? :)
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> rharrison_, btw this is stormdrifter II http://s.gullipics.com/image/p/z/q/5yv9xu-kti3r5-11e1/IMG0282.jpeg
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD no, but I got the SD library, the GPS, and the segment for reading the geiger counter serial
[20:08] <rharrison_> nice
[20:08] <G4MYS_andy> Gentlemen needing the correct Dl FLdigi programme for a new windows 8 computer -- can someone point me in the correct way please Andy
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[20:09] <fsphil> speeded up x2, $$CH
[20:09] <fsphil> EAPO,6,000000,0,0,0,0,0,3.99,3S
[20:09] <fsphil> there you go :)
[20:09] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, looks about right!#
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> also I got a maybe trivial problem
[20:10] <fsphil> the light in the fridges turns off when you close it
[20:10] <rharrison_> chrisstubbs, ok that not 50b
[20:10] <chrisstubbs> oops
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> if I want to install a BMP085 breakout for example, do I have to define the size and stuff for myself if I want to have enough space for it on the PCB?
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[20:11] <gonzo__> have you been in to check phil?
[20:11] <chrisstubbs> uploading it to a 16mhz board profile probably didnt help
[20:11] <fsphil> I have top people who know these things.
[20:11] <Willdude123> There's something rather addictive about typing into minicom and seeing non-hab stuff come up in dl-fldigi.
[20:11] <rharrison_> chrisstubbs, you may have knackered the fuse settings and using the onboard osc rasther than external
[20:11] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: if it's an 8mhz board, then yes that explains it
[20:12] <gonzo__> we did a test when drunk, drilled a hole in the door to see
[20:12] <fsphil> lol
[20:12] <mfa298> G4MYS_andy: the same one as Windows 7 works on Win8 (and even back to XP)
[20:12] <fsphil> does anyone use win8?
[20:12] <mfa298> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[20:12] <chrisstubbs> FIXD IT
[20:12] Action: chrisstubbs slaps self
[20:12] <fsphil> irony
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> gonzo__, ROFL
[20:13] <mfa298> I went for Win8 Pro as it was the same cost as Win7 Pro (and has the downgrade rights if I really wanted to)
[20:13] <Willdude123> Someone should make a PSK-31 repeater for irc channels.
[20:13] <gonzo__> prob was, the light hadn't worked for years
[20:13] <fsphil> gonzo__: did you get into a, hole, lot of trouble
[20:13] <LeoBodnar> What's so great about PSK-31?
[20:13] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> if tyat would be legal, sure
[20:13] <Willdude123> Does it count as operating it then, if you say something in IRC?
[20:13] <Willdude123> LeoBodnar: IDK
[20:14] <Willdude123> I just needed some keyboard mode to mention.
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> Someone says he won't bother then.
[20:14] <Willdude123> I do wonder if that would be legal.
[20:14] <fsphil> if you're transmitting it using an amateur license then the person repeating it would get in trouble
[20:14] <LeoBodnar> RTTY is great keyboard mode
[20:14] <fsphil> relaying it using an ntx2 is perfectly fine
[20:14] <Willdude123> But there are gonna be flights.
[20:15] <Willdude123> And it might interfere,
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> I think below 10mW you can transmit anything as soon as it's not audio (from memory)
[20:15] <fsphil> music
[20:15] <fsphil> voice is ok
[20:15] <LeoBodnar> Cheers
[20:15] <Willdude123> Maybe an LMT thingy.
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, problem with any SMD devices is that I can't solder that
[20:15] <fsphil> I know as I'm hoping to do a repeater :)
[20:15] <Willdude123> I need to talk to someone about this amazing idea.
[20:15] <chrisstubbs> Why not?
[20:15] <Willdude123> People could talk from launches if they had no internet.
[20:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> in PA, you can only TX <10mW in the SRD band, in FM or derivatives, in certain channels
[20:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah yeah Google tries to establish a balloon network I think
[20:16] <LeoBodnar> This amazing idea is called 3G
[20:16] <fsphil> Willdude123: Project Horus have flown repeaters, and used them to communicate from the chase car to base
[20:16] <jcoxon> sunset soon i suspect
[20:17] <jcoxon> flight could get a whole lot weirder...
[20:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> http://www.ballonvossenjacht.nl/
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> Yes, coming!
[20:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> balloon transponders N stuff
[20:17] <mfa298> is it possible for it to get weirder ?
[20:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but, separate licenced
[20:17] <LeoBodnar> Weirderer
[20:18] <fsphil> lots weirder
[20:18] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:18] <fsphil> how is it still transmitting
[20:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> if (sunset) { weird++ }
[20:18] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, i saw it on my waterfall
[20:18] <LeoBodnar> B-6 altitude profile reminds me the stock market in 2007
[20:18] <fsphil> and why is it running away from Belgium
[20:18] <jcoxon> unable to get a full string though
[20:19] <fsphil> -3.3m/s
[20:19] <mfa298> hmmm, does that mean it's missing the: if (sunrise) { weird--}
[20:19] <fsphil> and then 0m/s
[20:19] <rharrison_> jcoxon, is it possible to post captured data to habhub
[20:20] <LeoBodnar> All French trackers gave up apart from F5APQ
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[20:20] <jcoxon> rharrison_, directly?
[20:20] <rharrison_> I thought the new system could work offline and online. IE I would like to post all my RX data from today.
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[20:21] <rharrison_> jcoxon, I don't really mind. Is there an upload option ?
[20:21] <jcoxon> not directly
[20:21] <jcoxon> (that i'm aware of
[20:21] <jcoxon> )
[20:21] <jcoxon> is the data not already duplicated?
[20:21] <rharrison_> No cos I captured to 300m on way down and then at recovery
[20:22] <arko> wow
[20:22] <arko> B-6 is still kickin it
[20:22] <rharrison_> Would be good if map reflected landing
[20:22] <rharrison_> B6 roks
[20:22] <jcoxon> rharrison_, worth asking on #habhub
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, problem with any SMD devices is that I can't solder that
[20:22] <rharrison_> Will do
[20:22] <arko> cant wait to download the data
[20:22] <jcoxon> if they have a script
[20:22] <jcoxon> otherwise its individual strings
[20:23] <arko> B-6 data is being logged right?
[20:23] <jcoxon> arko, of course
[20:23] <jcoxon> you can already download the data
[20:23] <arko> oh good right, spacenear
[20:23] <arko> yeah
[20:23] <jcoxon> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[20:23] <LeoBodnar> Probably, it's coming out of habhub's ears already
[20:23] <arko> errhabitat
[20:23] <Willdude123> So is the IRC repeater a viable idea?
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[20:24] <Willdude123> I guess there's no way of confirming identities.
[20:24] <LeoBodnar> arko ^^
[20:24] <arko> yarrrr
[20:24] <mfa298> Willdude123: that's likely to depend on what mode/power/band you want to do it over radio.
[20:25] <arko> LeoBodnar: is the next one going to have pressure sensors again?
[20:25] <chrisstubbs> Willdude123, I did made an IRC --> sms gateway bot thing but it borke becuase VB.net happened
[20:25] <Willdude123> Well, it'd have to be 70cm I think, license free.
[20:25] <Willdude123> Which would mean 10mw
[20:25] <LeoBodnar> Haha check http://habitat.habhub.org/stats/ and click "Flights Pie"
[20:26] <Willdude123> And RTTY because, well duh.
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> XD highscore!
[20:26] <chrisstubbs> LeoBodnar, should have used 600baud!
[20:26] <mfa298> Willdude123: next challenge would be to work out what baud rate you want.
[20:26] <arko> hahaha
[20:26] <mfa298> s/want/need
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> It would be considered DDOS chrisstubbs
[20:26] <LeoBodnar> XD
[20:26] <chrisstubbs> lmao
[20:27] <arko> wow
[20:27] <Jess--> I did think about setting up an sms <-> Irc gateway so that messages could be passed to / from chase teams without internet access
[20:27] <arko> the B series alone is like 25%
[20:27] <mfa298> Willdude123: you'de also need to consider how to get data into this repeter (assuming you want it on a balloon)
[20:27] <chrisstubbs> Jess--, One day I will revisit the code and make it work
[20:27] <chrisstubbs> let people use it if they want
[20:27] <Willdude123> mfa298: I don't actually, but that;s a good idea.
[20:28] <LeoBodnar> I don't know, arko they were an afterthought and a pain to manually solder. I also had to use GPS I2C bus which was questionably decision as short -circuited sensor bus would mean no GPS
[20:28] <Jess--> it would have to be using preset mobile numbers rather than making them public on here
[20:28] <chrisstubbs> when you mentioned my nick it would just send the message as text to me, then you could text back with commands. It was a old nokia linked up over bluetooth and I think it was the bluetooth that killed it
[20:28] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[20:28] <chrisstubbs> Jess--, you could assign numbers by PM iirc
[20:28] <mfa298> with something like irssi it shouldn't be hard to make it send sms messages (as long as you have a way to send sms from the pc)
[20:28] <Jess--> I was thinking of using an sms gateway online (like textmagic)
[20:29] <chrisstubbs> would probably be better :P
[20:29] <Willdude123> I guess this probably isn't possible.
[20:29] <chrisstubbs> dont use email --> SMS as my mate mailbombed me and they charge per message...
[20:29] <arko> LeoBodnar: gotcha
[20:30] <arko> did you consider coating it?
[20:30] <LeoBodnar> in conformal coating ?
[20:30] <mfa298> old mobile and a suitable PAYG sim could probably work as a decent sms gateway
[20:30] <arko> ya
[20:31] <Jess--> this is what I was thinking chrisstubbs, pre-registered mobile numbers (using recognised trigger strings) and only accepted from preset users (top of head daveake, upu etc accepted for sending messages)
[20:31] <gonzo__> some of the older gsm and gprs modems will do sms, from AT commands over rs232
[20:31] <arko> silicone, epoxy, urethane conformal coating
[20:31] <LeoBodnar> Haven't done it yet, I have a few various types of this stuff bought for another project.
[20:31] <jcoxon> looks like we are on our way down
[20:31] <gonzo__> seimens M30 amd mc35
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> Silicon and urethane
[20:32] <gonzo__> should be uber cheap these days
[20:32] <chrisstubbs> Sounds like a nice idea. vb.net probably wasnt the best language to write it in though haha. Yeah it worked by sending AT commands over bluetooth to an old nokia
[20:32] <LeoBodnar> Yes, looks like it!
[20:32] <Gadget-Mac> Evening all, anything new tonight ?
[20:32] <Jess--> as an example for a trigger string !sms titan-chase new position 50.34382,2.10625
[20:32] <Willdude123> IRC over RTTY is cool, but damn near impossible.
[20:32] <arko> LeoBodnar: coool
[20:32] <daveake> Yeah I made an SMS gateway thing - payload sent a $$.... sentence to it, and it bounced that on to habitat
[20:33] <Willdude123> I was thinking providing it as a service kinda thing, like letting people on there en masse.
[20:33] <chrisstubbs> I wonder if this whole thing could be made as an android app and just left running on an old phone
[20:33] <arko> LeoBodnar: interesting fact about it, you can actually break solder joints if the epoxy expands faster than the metal legs
[20:33] <arko> or fracture
[20:33] <Willdude123> However, it would be impractical, as there is no way you could hear it if it wasn't on a hab.
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[20:33] <arko> or whatever coating you are using
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> During setting or temperature cycling?
[20:34] <arko> usually recommended to check the thermal expansion coeff
[20:34] <arko> temp cycling
[20:34] <arko> especially for really high altitude habs
[20:34] <chrisstubbs> Willdude123, lack of internet/3g signal is very fustrating. But it would be useful to be able to get the maps too. rtty may not be the best way for that :P
[20:34] <Gadget-Mac> Willdude123: whats all this SMS stuff ?
[20:34] <arko> its not really a huge concern
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> Thanks arko good point!
[20:34] <LeoBodnar> Still good to know what can bite you
[20:34] <Willdude123> Gadget-Mac: I never entioned SMS.
[20:34] <arko> :) our spacecrafts go through that check
[20:35] <arko> yeah, its crazy, we didnt know until the moon missions
[20:35] <chrisstubbs> Gadget-Mac, sorry that was me starting on SMS
[20:35] <LeoBodnar> Thanks for the tip ! :)
[20:35] <arko> after that it became apart of the environmental testing
[20:35] <arko> :)
[20:35] <LeoBodnar> Does it evaporate in vacuum?
[20:35] <Willdude123> chrisstubbs: In UKHAS, you don't look at the maps, we look at them for you.
[20:35] <arko> the coating?
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> Yes
[20:36] <arko> no, i forget the exact coating used
[20:36] <arko> but it sticks well
[20:36] <arko> prevents wiskering
[20:36] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: B-6 says no
[20:36] <arko> and thermally "lumps" it together
[20:36] <arko> wiskering still blows my mind
[20:36] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, tis quite low
[20:36] <arko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisker_%28metallurgy%29
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[20:37] <arko> we lost an instrument on a spacecraft in the early days due to this
[20:37] <chrisg7ogx> lost b6
[20:37] <LeoBodnar> OK, what type would you recommend for my design then - you must have seen it, nothing too clever...
[20:37] <arko> one sec
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[20:38] <LeoBodnar> Oh, I have heard about tin whiskers a lot
[20:38] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: B-6 says it's coming down
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> One naughty party balloon this was
[20:39] <arko> LeoBodnar: http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/protective-coatings/conformal/silicone-conformal-coating-422b/
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[20:39] <arko> usually silicone is best/cheap
[20:39] <LeoBodnar> Ah, so silicon then? DO you dab it over PCB or dip it or spray it?
[20:40] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, well, you never know with B-6
[20:40] <arko> i use a fine brush
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> I assume you also run PCB through flux cleaner bath before arko ?
[20:40] <arko> i actually tend to use 100%iso
[20:40] <LeoBodnar> gotcha
[20:40] <arko> flux cleaner leaves residue
[20:40] <arko> and i use no clean flux (total bs, you need to clean it)
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[20:41] <arko> just remember to check all your solder joints and that you are happy with the config
[20:41] <arko> no turning back once that stuff is one there
[20:41] <arko> you can use coating remover, but it gets ugly
[20:41] <LeoBodnar> IPA leaves horrible white traces - maybe it's a local problem due to higher humidity levels?
[20:41] <chrisstubbs> I got some electrolube from farnell the other day.. presumed it would come in a bottle with a brush as it was listed as "bottle" but its in a spray can...
[20:41] <arko> yeah that white powdery stuff
[20:42] <LeoBodnar> OK, good info arko chrisstubbs !
[20:42] <arko> i think its a nonconductive/acidic after product
[20:42] <arko> nice
[20:42] <PB0NER> haha, lol, do not trust Farnell with their pictures!
[20:42] <arko> LeoBodnar: only downside is that it adds weight :P
[20:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Leo, that would be due to the flux
[20:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> ik hoor nu pas zijn telefoon
[20:43] <arko> trust me, i've tried everything in the books
[20:43] <arko> flux cleaner
[20:43] <arko> hot water
[20:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> shit, wrong window
[20:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> happens to all
[20:43] <DL7AD> its going descent again
[20:43] <arko> some special other cems
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[20:43] <LeoBodnar> Yes, I found flux remover liquid perfect for what I always used IPA for
[20:44] <arko> best thing is noclean flux and 100% iso
[20:44] <arko> and a brush!
[20:44] <arko> then dry it
[20:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I use IPA with a certain solder
[20:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but I still use lead
[20:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> which is allowed in spaceflight still...
[20:44] <LeoBodnar> OK, great info
[20:44] <arko> :)
[20:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I guess you use lead free?
[20:45] <LeoBodnar> B-6 alt is trending down but it found a support level at 3200.
[20:45] <PB0NER> I like lead.....
[20:45] <chrisg7ogx> balloon F6KBN-11 on APRS over the bay of biscay
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[20:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> leo you should only sleep if B5 is down
[20:47] <arko> is the sun down over there?
[20:47] <jcoxon> chrisg7ogx, thats old
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> We don't know where B-5 is! Can I still sleep XD
[20:47] <LeoBodnar> ?
[20:47] <PB0NER> yeah, sun down
[20:47] <jcoxon> 14/7/13
[20:47] <Herman-PB0AHX> no
[20:48] <PB0NER> B5 ? is down
[20:48] <DL7AD> give someone a phone number :)
[20:48] <chrisg7ogx> so it is apolgies
[20:48] <chrisg7ogx> and apologies
[20:48] <jcoxon> thats okay!
[20:48] <jcoxon> looks like a cool flight
[20:48] <chrisg7ogx> MMmmm coat getting I am
[20:49] <PB0NER> -1.3m/m +1,.5 -0.9
[20:49] <arko> LeoBodnar: how much life do you think is left in B-6?
[20:50] <LeoBodnar> Gas or battery?
[20:50] <PB0NER> battery.... 1.4V T 8C
[20:50] <arko> heh
[20:50] <arko> battery
[20:50] <arko> because from what i see you got about another 18-20hrs
[20:50] <arko> but i'm very likely wrong
[20:51] <PB0NER> High temp makes batterylive better
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> It just doesn't want to dive up. Should have moved from 1.4v to 1.35v or so by now
[20:51] <LeoBodnar> Could well be 10-20 hours more
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[20:51] <jcoxon> these lithiums have terrible cliffs
[20:51] <arko> yeah
[20:51] <jcoxon> when it goes it'll go quick
[20:52] <arko> once you dip to 1.35ish ish, its a steep drop
[20:52] <PB0NER> battery will die in the blink of an eye
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> 1.1v usually means 30 min left
[20:52] <LeoBodnar> On AAA I use
[20:52] <PB0NER> +e
[20:52] <jcoxon> if you've got a battery going through a diode the voltage is dropped a small amount
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> I use step-up
[20:53] <jcoxon> but if we then fed this into a step up regulator would it therefore draw more current? and run the battery quicker
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> It's automatigical
[20:53] <LeoBodnar> Dies at Vbatt=0.8V
[20:54] <jcoxon> so when you did the diode network for B-5
[20:54] <LeoBodnar> You have power loss on diode which can be calculated but instead diode should be taken out.
[20:54] <jcoxon> did you run a diode from teh solar cell into the stepup
[20:55] <arko> wait this has solar?
[20:55] <PB0NER> though not
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> I used diode for the solar panel only to inject voltage directly into Main Bus B :)
[20:55] <jcoxon> i see
[20:55] <arko> lol
[20:55] <jcoxon> how did you cope with more then 1.8v?
[20:55] <jcoxon> from teh solar cell
[20:55] <arko> thats been his secret
[20:55] <PB0NER> Oh, it does use solar
[20:55] <arko> never undervolt
[20:55] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: after stepup
[20:55] <jcoxon> no this is B-5
[20:56] <LeoBodnar> yep B-5 was solar (until it fell off)
[20:56] <jcoxon> yeah i understand that the solar fed after the step up
[20:56] <PB0NER> so to be sure B-6 has no solar, right?
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[20:56] <jcoxon> but did you have to regulate it as the GPS gets a bit stressed when its above its 1.8v
[20:56] <jcoxon> PB0NER, yes, no solar on B-6
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[20:57] <LeoBodnar> It wasn't powerful enough to supply ALL the current on the main bus therefore VbusB never risen above step-up regulated
[20:57] <cyclops> Hi all
[20:57] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, i see
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> but current via step-up was reduced
[20:57] <jcoxon> sure
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> PB0NER: negative
[20:57] <jcoxon> the step up acts as a diode
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[20:57] <jcoxon> so if we used a bigger panel we'd need a 1.9V regulator
[20:57] <LeoBodnar> Yes, pretty much
[20:57] <jcoxon> so that it provided a slightly higher voltage
[20:58] <jcoxon> so would be used preferentially
[20:58] <LeoBodnar> You need MPPT controller for the panel really (if you have where to dump the excess energy like charging battery)
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[20:59] <PB0NER> LeoBodnar, what do you mean by negative?
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> If you only have fixed power consumers then you can just lose the energy in a LDO, no problem
[20:59] <LeoBodnar> I meant "No, no solar" XD
[20:59] <PB0NER> ow wait I see
[21:00] <jcoxon> so one trick to extend flight time is to use the lithium during the night and solar during the day
[21:00] <jcoxon> so you'd use AAA+stepup->power bus
[21:00] <jcoxon> and then solar -> diode -> regulator (1.9v) -> power bus
[21:00] <jcoxon> with the step up doing 1.8v
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[21:01] <LeoBodnar> Yes, or just shut down for the night altogether. It would be light like a feather then. Solar panel for my tracker is about 2g in weight
[21:01] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, take it from me - finding a payload thats turned off for 12hours is a nightmare
[21:01] <SpeedEvil> shutting down for the night still needs a battery if you want to work in overclast conditions, or under tehe balloon
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> I think there are smart step-ups designed for two power sources so no power loss in diodes. They use MOSFETs to commutate power sources
[21:02] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, the problem isn't really freq drift
[21:02] <jcoxon> its more that people stop listening
[21:02] <jcoxon> and that it moves off somewhere
[21:02] <jcoxon> out of range of reliable receivers
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> I know!! That's why night mode is a bit controversial already
[21:02] <LeoBodnar> even 4 mins is a long time
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> LeoBodnar, whats the average current consumption on this thing?
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[21:03] <Herman-PB0AHX> leo compliments for the equipment in B5 working verry well
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[21:03] <LeoBodnar> Thanks! :)
[21:04] Action: SpeedEvil sighs at the trades description issue.
[21:04] <Herman-PB0AHX> ur welcome
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Pff, I don't know chrisstubbs :)
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> Lol
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> MAX-6 based design run for 19 hours on AAA
[21:04] <LeoBodnar> Without night mode
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> It's not two and a half million tons of spinning metal.
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> Come back when it is.
[21:05] <PB0NER> Crap, skype... hung again
[21:05] <LeoBodnar> MAX6 and MAX7 are nightmare to calculate average current off. It's 20mA one second and 60mA the next for no reason.
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[21:06] <SpeedEvil> Battery managment chips can be great for that.
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> All the lovely integration.
[21:06] <LeoBodnar> Any examples?
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> BQ27200 - though I'm not really sure of nice breakout boards.
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter
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[21:08] <LeoBodnar> Ah, I have heard a salesman mentioned Coulomb meter - is it the thing?
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Basically.
[21:08] <LeoBodnar> He said they "count electrons" going into the battery
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Not strictly true - but broadly.
[21:09] <LeoBodnar> He was the salesman so I have not listened carefully
[21:09] <LeoBodnar> Saved, cheers
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> They have basically a very low resistor in series with the battery - and two low offset inputs across that, over which they sample and count charge in/hout using a signma-delta ADC
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[21:10] <LeoBodnar> I am not allowed to say how many electrons were there but I have counted them all out and I counted them all back XD
[21:10] <Ugi> Will that thing never die!?
[21:11] <LeoBodnar> Go talk it down Ugi ! XD
[21:12] <Ugi> It's fantastic! I was quite sure it was on its way down about 4 hours ago
[21:12] <Ugi> and it's _still_ there!
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> The problem is nothing within reach can be charged at -20C
[21:12] <LeoBodnar> You have to warm it up 1st and then charge.
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> But painting payload black would be just as simple as a heater
[21:13] <LeoBodnar> I am running out of subjects to tlk about Ugi :)
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[21:16] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Question is - how much of that is lack of testing.
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: And is it true if you charge at 0.1C
[21:16] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: Also - you don't care.
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> LeoBodnar: You put the battery in clear bubble-wrap, and it soon gets (relatively) toasty exposed to the sun.
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> I have a LiPo in the freezer at -26C being hammered for the last week and it is still alive XD
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> That reminds me, I need to make a leetle peltier box inside my freezer, for freeze-drying.
[21:17] <LeoBodnar> That's what I meant - I have wrapped a dark solar panel sheet around my payload and day temp went from -5C to +10C
[21:18] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[21:18] <LeoBodnar> You are right we only need LiPo to survive for 5-10 nights/cycles, not 500 that manufacturers specify
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> So use LiPo, paint payload black and Bob's your uncle
[21:19] <LeoBodnar> Don't charge until warm inside, done.
[21:20] <LeoBodnar> I meant I have wires coming out of the freezer and I charge discharge poor little LiPo
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[21:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> ok to all i go to sleep wake up abt 4
[21:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> ;30
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: are you still here?
[21:21] <LeoBodnar> GN Herman-PB0AHX !
[21:21] <Herman-PB0AHX> gn leo
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[21:22] <jcoxon> LeoBodnar, yup
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[21:23] <G4MYS_andy> I am trying toi use win 8, so far id rather have XP! not sure why this is suposed to be better more annoying to sert up thasts for sure!! also cant get to decode no audio in so I am told not sure whats wrong so Ill persist later Andy
[21:23] <LeoBodnar> I was going to delay solar power until multiday float is reality but now I am not sure.
[21:23] <LeoBodnar> W2000 is even better! Search works
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[21:24] <LeoBodnar> jcoxon: I was going to delay solar power until multiday float is reality but now I am not sure.
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[21:24] <arko> ohh new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUY6HGqYweQ
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[21:26] <Upu> lol
[21:26] <Upu> why is it still working ? :)
[21:27] <arko> dont question the wine
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[21:28] <daveake> It's had more ups and downs than Stephen Fry
[21:29] <LeoBodnar> Cool video, How is this style of delivery is called?
[21:29] <arko> infographisblahaha
[21:29] <arko> LeoBodnar: that whole channel is gold
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> It's addictive but leaves you feel such an idiot
[21:30] <LeoBodnar> XD
[21:30] <arko> haha
[21:30] <arko> yeah
[21:31] <LeoBodnar> Upu: I gave up!
[21:31] <arko> if it floats for 8 days do we need to start a new religon?
[21:32] <Upu> are you turning the GPS off entirely via a FET ?
[21:32] <LeoBodnar> I closed all my Excel spreadheets, stopped running NOAA predictions and am just wasting my life here
[21:32] <arko> lol
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> I can't start with B-7 until B-6 is still alive. It's not right.
[21:33] <LeoBodnar> No Upu just shutdown mode via UBX command
[21:33] <arko> send out B-7 now!
[21:33] <arko> you should have two of them flying
[21:33] <arko> start that eu hab network
[21:34] <Upu> I don't get the power consumption
[21:34] <Upu> so ok question 2 how long is the off for ?
[21:34] <LeoBodnar> And hot restart then. But this is for Das Night Mode. Day mode is just periodic like everybody else
[21:35] <LeoBodnar> In night mode 4 minutes
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> I think it is uselsess as it takes so much more power after hot restart that it negates the energy saved while being off.
[21:36] <LeoBodnar> Turning carrier off is worthwhile though
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[21:37] <LeoBodnar> arko: It can get jealous
[21:37] <arko> haha
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> What kinda size wire is good for bodging SMD things like soldering to TQFP pins?
[21:39] <LeoBodnar> I use second thinnest you can get chrisstubbs gimme a sec
[21:39] <cyclops> Guys
[21:39] <cyclops> Should I use Energizer Lithium AA to power all?
[21:39] <GMT> yes, if you can
[21:40] <cyclops> BTW Upu how much does the HABduino consumes?
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[21:40] <cyclops> Perfect GMT
[21:40] <Upu> cyclops it lasts about 12 hours from 2 x AA
[21:40] <Upu> 250mA?
[21:40] <cyclops> Knowing that 12Hours from 2AA is enough
[21:41] <cyclops> Perfect you are great
[21:41] <LeoBodnar> chrisstubbs: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?CMP=i-ddd7-00001003&sku=148732 http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?CMP=i-ddd7-00001003&sku=5017233
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[21:41] <LeoBodnar> I use mostly 36AWG (thicker one)
[21:42] <cyclops> Cant wait to get my hands on your project :P
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> Ok cheers, will stick that on my next farnell order :)
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> You get a pack of 4 which makes sense to share among friends. I don't think you are going to use all of it unless you are winding things.
[21:44] <LeoBodnar> I can send you one of each if you send me SAE
[21:45] <cm13g09> B-6 still going!?
[21:45] <LeoBodnar> I.e. one 36 and one 38AWG spool
[21:45] <LeoBodnar> Affirmative cm13g09
[21:45] <cm13g09> well done LeoBodnar
[21:45] <LeoBodnar> It's B-6 , I am just a custodian
[21:46] <cm13g09> ok
[21:46] <LeoBodnar> But thanks! XD
[21:47] <cm13g09> it's a pretty impressive flight
[21:47] <cm13g09> esp off a single AA
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[21:50] <LeoBodnar> I agree cm13g09
[21:50] <PE2G> LeoBodnar: Thanks for the impressive flight, Leo. I'm off now, GN
[21:50] <LeoBodnar> GN PE2G !
[21:51] <LeoBodnar> Thanks for dropping in!
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[21:54] <chrisg7ogx> leobodnar if B6 survives untioll sunrise will it rise again?
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[21:55] <chrisg7ogx> ISH is good enough!
[21:55] <LeoBodnar> It probably will - slightly. I have no idea why it has not come down and why it is sitting at 3200m now.
[21:55] <chrisg7ogx> anyway congrats
[21:55] <LeoBodnar> I need some quality thinking time to get my head around a few last days
[21:55] <LeoBodnar> cheers chrisg7ogx
[21:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> am I right that the battery voltage has gone up?
[21:56] <chrisg7ogx> lying down in a cool dark room..if you can find one
[21:56] <Rebounder> LeoBodnar: impressive flight!
[21:56] <LeoBodnar> Yes, preferrably cool one as well
[21:56] <eroomde_> LeoBodnar: you should launch wone from the east coast of the US
[21:57] <chrisg7ogx> good idea!
[21:57] <eroomde_> that kind of float time puts you in the right sort of ballpark for a realstic atlantic crossing
[21:57] <eroomde_> if the winds behave
[21:57] <LeoBodnar> I'll send them the ballon and a gas canister voucher
[21:57] <LeoBodnar> balloon XD
[21:57] <chrisg7ogx> LOL
[21:57] <arko> LeoBodnar: send one to me!
[21:57] <LeoBodnar> Why do I have to do it? XD
[21:57] <arko> i'll launch from LA
[21:57] <chrisg7ogx> no a ballon is right!
[21:57] <arko> on top of a mountain
[21:58] <arko> so we can use less helium
[21:58] <eroomde_> i think 3 days float is about the historal norm for transatlantic habs
[21:58] <eroomde_> arko: is that a joke?
[21:58] <arko> no
[21:58] <arko> oh
[21:58] <arko> the he thing yes
[21:58] <eroomde_> good
[21:58] <arko> but the sending me one to launch is not
[21:58] <arko> i'll seriously launch it
[21:58] <Babs__> Didn't one get across the Atlantic and land in the med once?
[21:58] <chrisg7ogx> every couple of minutes i get a signal sort of doppler-like sweeping across B6
[21:58] <arko> :P
[21:58] <LeoBodnar> Isn't Helium "made in the USA"?
[21:59] <arko> hahaha eroomde_
[21:59] <chrisg7ogx> Babs in Agerian desert i think
[21:59] <LeoBodnar> Just dig a hole in the ground and get it out
[21:59] <chrisg7ogx> algerian
[21:59] <arko> LeoBodnar: we raise helium here on farms
[21:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisg7ogx, I noticed a quick transiting signal on the waterfall when I was decoding.
[21:59] <arko> then take them to the pressure house
[21:59] <arko> harvest is good
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[22:00] <Willdude123> Hi
[22:00] <LeoBodnar> Aliens joined in too? G0TDJ_Steve chrisg7ogx
[22:00] <fsphil> B-6: "I'm bored now."
[22:00] <fsphil> wants to come home
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> Where is thy home?
[22:01] <jcoxon> looks like its stabilised
[22:01] <fsphil> 3km float could be risky
[22:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL LeoBodnar chrisg7ogx I've seen some odd sigs on the waterfall along with B6
[22:01] <LeoBodnar> It is quite good at "stabilising" over random places in France.
[22:02] <arko> fsphil: this is B-6 right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCpjgl2baLs&t=45s
[22:02] <arko> B-6 looks like it fought its way back to the uk, it kept trying and trying
[22:04] <LeoBodnar> arko: this reminds me of the Fat Pie films
[22:04] <arko> heh, back in the ye old days before youtube
[22:04] <arko> stupid flash videos ruled the lands
[22:04] <arko> i was just quoting that first part about being "le tired"
[22:05] <chrisg7ogx> radars probably
[22:05] <fsphil> arko: geography should be more like that
[22:06] <eroomde_> it's ascending
[22:06] <eroomde_> nice
[22:06] <arko> lol
[22:06] <arko> eroomde_: literally making to sense
[22:06] <arko> ok not literally
[22:06] <eroomde_> i vaguely recall spirit of knoxville float data going a bit micahel-bay towards the end
[22:06] <arko> but aliens
[22:06] <chrisg7ogx> ther is a map of the world called, "The world according to Ronald Reagan"
[22:06] <arko> haha
[22:06] <LeoBodnar> Recently I have told my colleague that I like HABing because it is reasonably slow-pased hobby. I didn't know how slow paced it can become!
[22:07] <fsphil> we'll get back to you on that
[22:07] <mattbrejza> its only slow paced when you dont chase after it, and when all the payload is ready before the launch day
[22:08] <LeoBodnar> I have only chased one of mine so far :)
[22:08] <LeoBodnar> Too much stress
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[22:08] <DL7AD> good afternoon
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[22:09] <chrisg7ogx> http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/38-the-world-according-to-ronald-reagan
[22:09] <eroomde_> snox data has gone down now
[22:09] <eroomde_> from the web
[22:09] <eroomde_> so cannot confirm
[22:09] <arko> i imagine LeoBodnar just pops out a hammock and chills out after a launch
[22:10] <LeoBodnar> De Javu DL7AD
[22:10] <DL7AD> :D are you going to sleep this night LeoBodnar ?
[22:11] <LeoBodnar> YES!
[22:11] <LeoBodnar> And yes
[22:11] <LeoBodnar> How can you worry about the thing that does not move in any of its XYZ coordinates?
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[22:12] <LeoBodnar> It probably isn't even rotating
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[22:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> LeoBodnar, is there a way to tell from the GPS if it is rotating?
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[22:14] <eroomde_> no
[22:14] <LeoBodnar> No, you need a compass or gyro or two GPSes for this
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[22:14] <eroomde_> you can wait for LeoBodnar to confirm if you want
[22:14] <eroomde_> too slow
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> Or one multi-antenna GPS
[22:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> accelarometer no good?
[22:15] <mfa298> p
[22:15] <LeoBodnar> On a long stick mmmmaybe
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> You can't tell rotations around the gravitational axis from an accellerometer
[22:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> SpeedEvil, I thout thats what they were for
[22:16] <eroomde_> well, they just measure acceleration. difficul to tell which way you're pointing in terms of compas direction, given all compass directions are at 90 degrees to gravity
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[22:16] <DL7AD> KT5TK thought about a rgb sensor. if its rotating you can determine the rotations speed by the sun
[22:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> That makes sense eroomde_
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> Sun-sensors can work well
[22:16] <eroomde_> or magnetometers
[22:16] <eroomde_> i.e. just a compass
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you can measure the disk of the sun, you can get to tiny fractions of a degree.
[22:17] <LeoBodnar> I hope it is NOT rotating around either of its horizontal axes. But with this balloon nothing is certain
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> magnetometers and gyros are the sane way today.
[22:17] <SpeedEvil> Simply as they are so damn cheap now
[22:17] <arko> still at 1.4v
[22:17] <arko> wow
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[22:18] <G0TDJ_Steve> SpeedEvil, if you had opposing sensors for the sun, could you sense them like a rotary encoder?
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> It might be doing somersaults up there
[22:18] <chrisg7ogx> B6 frequency wobble
[22:18] <arko> you would to if you were bored
[22:18] <DL7AD> LeoBodnar i hope so as well thats only rotating at one axis :D
[22:18] <LeoBodnar> Can you still receive it?
[22:19] <DL7AD> i?
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> G0TDJ_Steve: You can detect the exact position of the disk of the sun.
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[22:19] <chrisg7ogx> yes very strong s/n -11dB
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> True :)
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> G0TDJ_Steve: Simple light sensors may be fooled by bright clouds
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> No chrisg7ogx
[22:19] <DL7AD> no i cant
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> While it wobbles?
[22:19] <G0TDJ_Steve> OK
[22:19] <LeoBodnar> OK
[22:19] <Laurenceb_> battery is lasting forever
[22:20] <chrisg7ogx> yes only swayed in freq approx half of trackingwindow
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> i calculated battery exhaustion at 12UTC
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> Everything is standing still
[22:20] <Laurenceb_> but its looking like it will last longer
[22:20] <LeoBodnar> OK, at lest some action
[22:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> BBL
[22:23] <chrisg7ogx> is a "foil party balloon" really a party balloon?
[22:23] <gonzo__> just a bigger version of the ones they sell at fairs
[22:24] <chrisg7ogx> gonzo ok tks
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[22:25] <chrisg7ogx> have diamond 11 element yagi coming tomorrow may be able to use it for B6!
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[22:26] <LeoBodnar> Ooh, steep rise
[22:26] <gonzo__> mounting it for vert polarisation?
[22:26] <chrisg7ogx> yes
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[22:27] <gonzo__> will the mast run through the plane of the elements?
[22:27] <LeoBodnar> So WHAT does make a floating balloon start rising in the middle of the night?
[22:27] <chrisg7ogx> i suppose with so much heat around and slow release from built up areas it must be quite turbulent up there
[22:27] <fsphil> it may be moving into warmer air
[22:28] <chrisg7ogx> gonzo hoping to place at top of scaffold pole but waiting for friend to come back from sea to fit
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> It travelled over some town
[22:28] <chrisg7ogx> that may explain it
[22:28] <LeoBodnar> Abbeville
[22:28] <fsphil> ah so it did
[22:29] <gonzo__> having metal passing in the plane of the elements is not ideal. Can upset it
[22:29] <fsphil> it should fall again
[22:29] <chrisg7ogx> may have to get one of those off-set clamps
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[22:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> mass reconnect?
[22:45] <SpeedEvil> And before I leave. Have some crazy american.
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[22:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTI_Y_TrFo Sometimes you just want mcnuggets
[22:45] <arko> night
[22:45] <arko> weeee
[22:45] <arko> surfing is fun
[22:45] <LeoBodnar> night!
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[22:47] <arko> HAHAHAAHA
[22:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Guys, just popped in to say GoodNight and a big Well Done to LeoBodnar :-)
[22:47] <arko> ultimate form?
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[22:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> see you all later
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[22:47] <LeoBodnar> Cheers G0TDJ_Steve see you later ! OK, bed time!
[22:47] <LeoBodnar> Good night everybody!
[22:47] <arko> SpeedEvil: we're not all like that :)
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[22:47] <LeoBodnar> THanks for tracking and good chat
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[22:48] <SpeedEvil> arko: No - I accept that most aren't. :)
[22:48] <arko> heh goood
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> (And there are likely some of that sort over here)
[22:48] <arko> heh
[22:48] <chrisg7ogx> good night will leave everything on over night
[22:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> good night
[22:48] <arko> McFishAndChips
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> She does seem to be raising the banner pretty high for crazy though.
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[22:49] <arko> oh yeah, america can breed a very special kinda crazy
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[22:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> hi Costyn
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[23:05] <Ugi> 'night all
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[23:10] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: howdy
[23:10] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: any luck with the video?
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> editing now actually
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but I will go to bed soon
[23:11] <costyn> ah nice
[23:11] <costyn> yea understandably
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> working on the title page
[23:11] <costyn> heh
[23:11] <costyn> well don't make it too elaborate
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I now have Flight by Costyn van Dongen and RevSpace Den haag
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> and some basic data
[23:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> did we have the compass and acellerometer in the end?
[23:12] <costyn> yes
[23:12] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: https://maze.io/mirror/costyn/
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[23:26] <Steffanx> Say hi to Rutte when you see him there costyn :)
[23:27] <PB0NER> Isn't Rutte visiting Gay Paris?
[23:27] <costyn> Steffanx: heh... my wife is probably meeting him this wednesday at some formal event
[23:27] <Steffanx> yikes
[23:28] <costyn> Steffanx: comes with the job
[23:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> almost done editing costyn
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[23:33] <DL7AD> blub
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[23:41] <costyn> did you guys see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syJF8js9aEU
[23:41] <costyn> very cool... glider stalling and perching on a wire
[23:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> cool
[23:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> did not see that before
[23:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I'm off to bed
[23:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> cheers all!
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[23:52] <arko> costyn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSctVKEwAGM
[23:52] <arko> see that?
[23:52] <arko> sorta old
[23:52] <arko> err
[23:52] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QqTcQ1BxIs
[23:52] <arko> that i mean
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