highaltitude.log.20130630

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[00:02] <mfa298> Maxell: most of the chase cars are done with one of the mobile apps (android / iDevice)
[00:03] <mfa298> dl-fldigi might do it as a chase car if you plug in a gps and tell it to use gps for location
[00:04] <mfa298> but not on the windows version
[00:05] <Maxell> k
[00:06] <Maxell> so i just put staic gps lock in dl-fldigi
[00:06] <Maxell> and keep the chase car updated sepratly
[00:06] <Maxell> it wont break if i call them both Maxell_chase
[00:06] <mfa298> some of the phone apps add the _Chase for you.
[00:07] <Maxell> yeah
[00:07] <mfa298> if you've got an android phone you could also try mattbrejza's HAB modem and Tracker program which does the chase car bit and acts as a decoder
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[00:08] <Maxell> yeah, i have that one installed
[00:08] <Maxell> i tried the chase function, it worked!
[00:08] <mfa298> best thing is to test the various bits out before you need to use it
[00:08] <Maxell> but i'm doing the decoding on my laptop
[00:08] <Maxell> i know how it works
[00:09] <Maxell> and it does it reliable
[00:09] <Maxell> gqrx doesn't crash if it's set properly
[00:09] <mfa298> I'm guessing your on mac/linux then
[00:10] <Maxell> yeah linux.
[00:10] <Maxell> ofc
[00:10] <Maxell> :P
[00:10] <Maxell> Time for some sleep. launching tomorrow
[00:10] <mfa298> in which case if you have a usb/serial gps you can plug in you could try the gps option in dl-fldigi
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[00:11] <Maxell> havnt got one, they are pretty expencive for just updating an icon for you guys
[00:11] <mfa298> pretty sure when I got mine several years ago it wasn't that expensive
[00:14] <Maxell> Ok, sleepy sleepy time.
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[04:54] <Maxell> Ok, I'm awake already.
[04:54] <Maxell> And PUMPED!
[04:54] <Maxell> LETS GO !!!!
[04:55] <x-f> where?
[04:58] <arko> To hawaii!!
[04:58] <x-f> i'm awake already five hours - listened to a radiosonde, then went out to try to find it as it landed not far from me - just returned completely wet and without it of course, but it's still a beautiful morning - sunrise, fog, dew, birds, deers, meadows and forrests
[04:58] <x-f> good morning
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[05:51] <Maxell> x-f: towards the launching place :P
[05:51] <Maxell> s/place/spot/
[05:54] <costyn> hello all
[05:54] <costyn> Maxell: you got even less sleep than I did I see
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[06:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Costyn van Dongen "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - HABANERO2 - Sunday 30/06/2013"
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[06:10] <Maxell> costyn: AWWWWW RIGHT
[06:16] <jcoxon> morning
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[06:28] <arko> Morning
[06:30] <Maxell> g'day arko
[06:31] <arko> Launching?
[06:35] <costyn> arko: yes
[06:37] <arko> Nice! Good flight!
[06:37] <griffonbot> Received email: M5AKA "[UKHAS] International Space Colloquium Guildford"
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[06:59] <costyn> arko: thanks!
[07:04] <jcoxon> how many launches are we expecting today/
[07:04] <jcoxon> ?
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[07:06] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jcoxon!jcoxon@host109-152-232-229.range109-152.btcentralplus.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk, Horizon 2 1000BST .075, HABANERO2 1000BST .250, HABLAB & STARBUG 1300BST .075 & .650
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[07:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning
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[07:23] <Upu> I'll do Spacenear shortly
[07:27] <jcoxon> hey OZ1SKY_Brian
[07:27] <jcoxon> long time
[07:29] <Upu> tracker sorted costyn good luck
[07:29] <Upu> morning James
[07:29] <jcoxon> hey
[07:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi James. Yes been busy at the "new" place. saw the dutch launch on email, so maybe i change for me to track a bit again.
[07:30] <jcoxon> Upu have you put everything in bold?
[07:30] <jcoxon> i think you might be missing a html tag
[07:30] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, :-D
[07:30] <jcoxon> yeah i've been busy recently so nothing has come your way
[07:30] <Upu> HMM
[07:30] <Upu> oh yeah :)
[07:31] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ups i mean: so maybe a chance for me to track a bit again
[07:31] <Upu> just adding Horizon
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[07:35] <Upu> right should all be onthere
[07:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Atherton "Re: [UKHAS] International Space Colloquium Guildford"
[07:36] <Upu> shout if I've missed anything
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[07:37] <jcoxon> looks good to me
[07:39] <jcoxon> one day we should add a clock to spacenear.us
[07:39] <jcoxon> in UTC
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[07:41] <Jess--> Titan Launch from lincolnshire has been scrubbed
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[07:41] <Jess--> 100% certainty of a wet landing
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[07:43] <homewld> why doesn't my station show up on the map?
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[07:45] <x-f> homewld, are you online and lat, lon, alt, name fields are filled?
[07:46] <x-f> Maxell, costyn, good luck with the flight!
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[07:49] <homewld> yes to online, callsign ,name, locator under configure
[07:51] <craag> Under 'DL Client' => 'Location in configure
[07:51] <craag> You also need to set latitude longitude and altitude
[07:51] <craag> if you don't know altitude, put 1 in.
[07:52] <craag> Use this to find your lat/lon http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html
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[07:59] <homewld> thanks that was it no lat and long in right boxes
[08:01] <jcoxon> G3WDI is well placed...
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[08:08] <S_Mark> Does anyone have an recommendations of a servo that does a full 180 degree rotation? I know a lot of servos stop at 160ish but I am looking for a full half turn.
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[08:21] <ibanezmatt13> Good Morning :)
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[08:24] <costyn> hi guys
[08:24] <costyn> onsite
[08:24] <costyn> livestream ois online here ustre.am/SMza
[08:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
[08:24] <costyn> http://ustre.am/SMza
[08:24] <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
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[08:26] <ibanezmatt13> If I had a Pi Model B and put the SD card from that straight into a Pi Model A would it work the same?
[08:26] <SpeedEvil> No.
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[08:26] <SpeedEvil> It still won't have 512M of RAM, or an ethernet connector
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[08:27] <SpeedEvil> Also, I think you need to reset something in the bootloader to tell it about the amount of memory to use for the GPU
[08:27] <SpeedEvil> #raspberrypi
[08:27] <ibanezmatt13> Ah right
[08:28] <ibanezmatt13> I've done what daveake said and cut the legs on the regulator on the Pi so now it works with only 3.3v. But that doesn't allow power to a wifi dongle or the HDMI port. How am I supposed to edit my software?
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[08:30] <jcoxon> remotely?
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[08:30] <jcoxon> over serial (old school)
[08:30] <ibanezmatt13> never thought of that
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> Would that just go into the back of my monitor?
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> I guess I need a specific cable
[08:31] <craag> Assuming you haven't messed with the serial port to use it for RTTY/gps
[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> Yes I have :\
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[08:31] <ibanezmatt13> There must be a way
[08:32] <craag> In which case you need a powered usb hub to provide power to the wifi dongle.
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[08:32] <craag> Just make sure it doesn't push 5V back down into the pi!
[08:32] <ibanezmatt13> I have a powered hub but I thought the USB port on the Pi wouldn't work now?
[08:32] <ibanezmatt13> how do I avoid that?
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[08:33] <craag> Erm when you messed with the regulator, which pads did you solder to/disconnect?
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> the two outer legs on the regulator near the capacitor (RG2), I cut the two outer legs so that it is pretty much completely disconnected
[08:34] <craag> Ok cool, so don't worry about 5V going back down into the pi
[08:34] <craag> as you've disconnected that bit there.
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> oh good
[08:34] <craag> So try a powered usb hub
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> thanks craag
[08:34] <craag> See if it works :)
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> will do
[08:34] <ibanezmatt13> I'll get it now
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[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> hub is one
[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> on
[08:35] <ibanezmatt13> now to power up pi
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[08:36] <ibanezmatt13> here we go
[08:37] Action: fsphil stands back
[08:37] <craag> "This is the captain. Brace for smoke."
[08:37] <ibanezmatt13> bear with me
[08:38] <ibanezmatt13> remember, this is all setup at the minute on a breadboard with some croc clips so it's a very unreliable power supply for the Pi
[08:38] <ibanezmatt13> it works occasionalty
[08:38] <ibanezmatt13> with out the t
[08:39] <craag> No tea? well there's your problem ;)
[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> pi has booted
[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> just wating for wifi
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[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> yes!
[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> thanks craag
[08:39] <craag> np
[08:39] Action: craag afk
[08:40] <m3eav> Oooh look a balloon....
[08:40] <ibanezmatt13> hopefully it's my dodgy setup which makes the Pi turn off and on all the time now...
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[08:41] <ibanezmatt13> the conclusion is that I can't edit anything on the SD card until it's all soldered due to power issues. Ah well
[08:42] <ibanezmatt13> reckon daveake's about? I guess it was a late night last night. Did he recover kinglsey?
[08:42] <fsphil> both recovered
[08:42] <ibanezmatt13> by Dave?
[08:43] <fsphil> yea
[08:43] <fsphil> I'd do your development on the model B, move it over to the A when finished
[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> problems with allocating ram
[08:43] <ibanezmatt13> that would have been perfect
[08:43] <fsphil> different sd cards, just copy the program
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> ah you mean develop everything on the model B and just use winscp to move it all onto Pi?
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> yeah that should work
[08:44] <fsphil> yep
[08:44] <ibanezmatt13> I've had a development: I need a right angle SMA plug on the end of my coax
[08:45] <ibanezmatt13> do you reckon daveake has any of those?
[08:45] <costyn> thx]
[08:46] <fsphil> only dave knows
[08:46] <costyn> can someone adkust the burst altitude on the predictor to 33.3km?
[08:46] <fsphil> one sec costyn
[08:46] <horizon2> Horizon 2 up and running. Our only problem: our camrea guy has buzzed off to Hong Kong without telling us, and we're trying to figure out how to work the automation software by ourselves.
[08:47] <fsphil> costyn: what ascent and descent rates?
[08:48] <ibanezmatt13> craag, when the Pi is off connected to nothing but the hub, it has 0.8v going through it according to multimeter. Is that bad?
[08:48] <costyn> fsphil: 5.5 ascent, 6 descent I think
[08:49] <fsphil> costyn: set
[08:49] <costyn> fsphil: thanks
[08:49] <fsphil> horizon2: while I'm in here, what's youre target burst altitude, ascent and descent rates?
[08:50] <fsphil> -e
[08:52] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, can you watch videos on the Pi through putty?
[08:52] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: not well. better to copy them to your pc
[08:53] <ibanezmatt13> good idea
[08:53] <horizon2> Burst Altitude: 35km, ascent rate: 4.5m/s, descent rate: 5m/s
[08:54] <fsphil> thanks
[08:54] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, 5 minute 1080p video files are huge! How's it gonna actually record 4 hours?
[08:54] <G7UXW--Kevin> Good morning all what is the general direction of floating bollaons today ???
[08:54] <fsphil> up :)
[08:54] <fsphil> and east it seems
[08:54] <G7UXW--Kevin> good
[08:54] <Maxell> woot woot
[08:55] <Maxell> Science payload is being prepeed
[08:55] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: really big SD card? :) 4 hours is quite a long flight?
[08:55] <fsphil> you can also reduce the bitrate a bit, but quality would be reduced
[08:56] <G7UXW--Kevin> any ssdtv today ??
[08:56] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I mean if I don't recoever it and it carries on recording. I could take this bit rate down I suppose. What bit rate would you reccomend for 1080p h264
[08:57] <fsphil> G7UXW--Kevin: don't believe so, though I see some tests being done in VK land
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[08:58] <Darkside> there was meant to be a launch this weekend
[08:58] <Darkside> but i guess they cancelled
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[08:59] <bertrik> huge interference on the HABANERO2 frequency, looks like someone is broadcasting wide fm there
[08:59] <fsphil> I thought that once, turned out I'd left my own payload on
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[09:00] <ibanezmatt13> any pi payloads today?
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[09:01] <fsphil> Melbourne seems less than ideal for a launch site, it's all national parks to the east
[09:01] <fsphil> ocean to the south
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[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> anybody know how to play h264 videos on PC?
[09:02] <Darkside> VLC
[09:03] <fsphil> vlc plays everything
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> just tried vlc
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> no luck
[09:03] <fsphil> make sure the filename ends in .h264
[09:03] <Darkside> if VLC doesn't play it, then good luck
[09:03] <Maxell> hm, liestream is a bit wierd
[09:03] <Darkside> er
[09:03] <jarod> bertrik here?
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, didn't do that fsphil
[09:03] <Darkside> ibanezmatt13: whats the source of the file?
[09:04] <ibanezmatt13> what you mean?
[09:04] <bertrik> jarod: hi, trying to receive HABANERO2 from the hague
[09:04] <Darkside> ibanezmatt13: what si the file
[09:04] <GMT> you can also try the h264 video thru a prog called gspot which will tell you all about the video
[09:04] <bertrik> jarod: but I'm getting broadcast radio on 434.23 (payload is on 434.250)
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[09:05] <fsphil> oh, we have sound
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[09:05] <bertrik> I hear it on two different radios
[09:05] <jarod> nothing yet
[09:05] <ibanezmatt13> Darkside, it's a .h264 vid file from the Pi Cam. It's working now
[09:05] <Darkside> oh
[09:06] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: you must be a seriously good programmer if you can get something to *not* display in VLC!
[09:06] <Maxell> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn stream works
[09:07] <ibanezmatt13> GMT, :)
[09:07] <Maxell> it's coming
[09:08] <Maxell> we are near launching
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[09:09] <jarod> bertrik sorry phone... ok
[09:09] <jarod> 434.325 i see a carrier
[09:10] <jarod> that it?
[09:10] <Maxell> no
[09:10] <bertrik> it should be on 434.25
[09:10] <jarod> by coincidence 434/435 is clean
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[09:11] <jarod> 434.750 sounds like and looks like a ballon
[09:11] <Maxell> it;s 434.250 mhz
[09:11] <Maxell> on the ground still jarod
[09:11] <jarod> ah!
[09:11] <jarod> logical then :D
[09:11] <jarod> so need me to run any software?
[09:12] <Maxell> dl-fldigi
[09:12] <bertrik> in HAB mode
[09:12] <jarod> link?
[09:12] <Maxell> and select habanero autoconfigure
[09:13] <Maxell> ok going to move the cam now
[09:13] <x-f> jarod, http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[09:13] <bertrik> seeing some bicycles in the background :)
[09:13] <fsphil> chase bike
[09:13] <jarod> can use stereomix as input?
[09:13] <bertrik> jarod: yes
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[09:14] <m3eav> i use stereoe mix all the time
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[09:14] <jarod> start with hab mode, ok
[09:14] <eroomde> j
[09:15] <jarod> change any settings during wizard?
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[09:15] <fsphil> at a minimum put in a callsign
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[09:15] <jarod> or name?
[09:16] <fsphil> yea it can be anything
[09:16] <jarod> QTH is location right?
[09:16] <ibanezmatt13> Watching this live stream is making me doubt that are set up is going to be good enough :)
[09:16] <ibanezmatt13> our*
[09:16] <fsphil> and to appear on the map put coordinates and altitude into DL Client > Configure > Location
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[09:17] <fsphil> yes but that's fldigi's own location thing, dl-fldigi doesn't really use it for anything
[09:17] <eroomde> QTÀ is talking to someone you fancy
[09:17] <costyn> ok allmost done
[09:17] <costyn> going to fill the balloon now
[09:17] <costyn> then turn on camera's and relase
[09:17] <x-f> jarod, just in case - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide#dl-fldigi
[09:17] <fsphil> My Little Punny
[09:17] <ibanezmatt13> do those radials have to be a certain length?
[09:18] <PE2G> jarod: Don't forget to: Configure > Operator > DL Client > Location > Enter your decimal coordinates
[09:18] <eroomde> >1/4 wavelength is fine
[09:18] <fsphil> and altitude! even if it's 0
[09:18] <fsphil> or negative, with it being holland :)
[09:18] <Maxell> filling balloon http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[09:19] <bertrik> I've had some problems with dl-fldigi not starting in hab mode, unless it was configured in normal mode first
[09:19] <jarod> Configure > Operator > DL Client > Location > Enter your decimal coordinates
[09:19] <jarod> DL Client > Configure > Location
[09:19] <jarod> both?
[09:19] <fsphil> it's the same thing
[09:19] <jarod> What would locator be?
[09:19] <fsphil> ignore that one
[09:20] <jarod> anything in OP MODE?
[09:20] <fsphil> it's the maidenhead coordinates of your location, but it's not used by this
[09:20] <fsphil> autoconfigure takes care of setting the mode
[09:20] <jarod> ok, set sdr# in NFM?
[09:21] <fsphil> USB
[09:21] <jarod> hmm
[09:21] <jarod> but weather balloons are much wider and work on NFM...
[09:21] <jarod> this is different
[09:21] <jarod> ?
[09:21] <x-f> this is amateur balloon
[09:21] <Maxell> almost up
[09:21] <Maxell> launching soooon
[09:21] <jarod> so different, ok
[09:22] <fsphil> yep. we transmit RTTY FSK
[09:22] <jarod> about what bandwidth is sdr# set usually?
[09:22] <fsphil> it's a much better use of the limited power the license exempt modules are allowed
[09:22] <fsphil> 3 or 4 khz is fine
[09:22] <fsphil> fldigi can't use any more than that anyway
[09:23] <jarod> so "2400"
[09:23] <jarod> must be expanded?
[09:23] <PE2G> jarod: You're on the map in Zaandam :)
[09:23] <jarod> just did an "aboutish" :)
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[09:23] <jarod> where is this map?
[09:23] <fsphil> jarod: doesn't have to be, but it would probably help
[09:23] <ibanezmatt13> what balloon is that?
[09:23] <fsphil> looks like a 1600g
[09:23] <fsphil> well, maybe 1200g
[09:24] <x-f> jarod, http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:24] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[09:24] <jarod> got that open, but weird map
[09:24] <x-f> zoom out :)
[09:25] <Maxell> jarod: 2400 will be fine the rtty signal is about 500 hz wide
[09:25] <PE2G> I'm in the east of NL, but no blue skies here...
[09:25] <ibanezmatt13> how are they tying the balloon knot with the filling tube still there?
[09:26] <x-f> ibanezmatt13, http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon
[09:26] <ibanezmatt13> ta
[09:26] <ibanezmatt13> ah right I see
[09:26] <fsphil> you never leave the balloon unattached to something :)
[09:27] <jarod> great weather it seems
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[09:27] <ibanezmatt13> of course :)
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[09:28] <jarod> autoconfig is on by default?
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[09:29] <ibanezmatt13> what's the triangular object?
[09:30] <fsphil> jarod: nah, you need to select the payload in the list and press the button
[09:30] <m3eav> come on....F1's on today
[09:30] <m3eav> :-)
[09:30] <jarod> ah yes...
[09:30] <jarod> i selected the balloon now :-)
[09:30] <fsphil> m3eav: SPOILER: they go around in circles for hours. someone does it slightly quicker than the rest
[09:30] <Maxell> ibanezmatt13: gopro, inmterval cam, sciene tracker
[09:30] <m3eav> fsphil, theres a bit more too it than that!
[09:31] <jarod> a see a dead guy on the grass
[09:31] <ibanezmatt13> cool
[09:31] <jarod> oh he's moving again :P
[09:32] <jarod> Maxell_chase, hehehe cool
[09:32] <Maxell> yes yes
[09:32] <Maxell> android app working flawlessly
[09:32] <bertrik> stream is down!
[09:33] <jarod> fine here
[09:33] <Maxell> k ill fixc
[09:33] <fsphil> back now
[09:33] <qyx_> meh
[09:33] <qyx_> these ads are annnnoying
[09:33] <jarod> ads? :P
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[09:34] <GMT> Hey, they've got blonde females! Announce that in the UKHAS group and watch the membership increase!
[09:34] <PE2G> jarod: Open your Op_Mode window and select RTTY > Custom, so you can do some tweaking when the balloon is up. Here are my current settings: http://s21.postimg.org/mgp3wichz/Screen944.jpg
[09:34] <jarod> http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/tf-ami says hello :)
[09:35] <fsphil> away she goes
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[09:35] <fsphil> what's that bright thing, next to the balloon?
[09:35] <jarod> =)
[09:35] <jarod> a 747!
[09:35] <jarod> :P
[09:35] <fsphil> hah
[09:36] <ibanezmatt13> that was great
[09:36] <GMT> So, the Pilozei says "you can't do that here, get it back down and take it somewhere else!"
[09:36] <Maxell> it;s gone
[09:36] <ibanezmatt13> the coppers are here
[09:36] <fsphil> uhoh
[09:36] <fsphil> HAB'ing while under the influence?
[09:36] <GMT> steps in puddle!
[09:36] <jarod> got it!
[09:37] <Darkside> looool
[09:37] <jarod> $$HABANERO,475,09:36:59,51.9276,+4.286:36:50,51.9274,+4.2857,796,9,6,27,15,4.48*14A7
[09:37] <fsphil> oh great moment for the stream to die
[09:37] <GMT> jcoxon: your name is on the list!
[09:38] <fsphil> USTREAM -- sometimes
[09:38] <bertrik> Maxell: I get good strings here now at revspace
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[09:38] <jarod> amaxing, rtlsdr is exactly on 434.250
[09:38] <GMT> is HORIZ launching today?
[09:38] <fsphil> and it's back
[09:39] <jcoxon> GMT, ?
[09:39] <fsphil> no it's not, it's replaying the launch
[09:39] <ibanezmatt13> Atmega?
[09:39] <GMT> okay
[09:39] <PE2G> HABANERO on 434.2497 MHz
[09:39] <jarod> ah
[09:39] <fsphil> GMT: horiz is late, not sure
[09:39] <jarod> well works :)
[09:40] <fsphil> they had some camera troubles earlier
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[09:40] <Upu> oh 100 baud trying to make it harder :)
[09:40] <GMT> prediction for HORIZ looks interesting!
[09:40] <horizon2> Horizon 2 getting ready to fill...
[09:40] <ibanezmatt13> I could have a go at tracking HORIZ2
[09:41] <ibanezmatt13> The ultimate radio deafness test :)
[09:41] <fsphil> yea I'm gonna have a go at that one myself
[09:41] <Jess--> anything been done about frq clash between horiz / hablab
[09:41] <GMT> Ive prob got more chace with HORIZ than HABANERO
[09:41] <PB0NER> receiving habanero from before launch
[09:41] <number10> not sure Jess-- I guess steve has other trackers
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[09:42] <ibanezmatt13> what's HORIZ2 target alt?
[09:42] <jarod> guess its going south?
[09:42] <horizon2> And yes. The prediction is slightly interesting... Our early morning prediction took us to just outside Leicester as our furthest East... now the Netherlands...
[09:42] <PB0NER> and YES I was watching the stream when you commented "BONER is already decoding"
[09:42] <GMT> I think HORIZ was announced before HABLAB
[09:42] <horizon2> Target burst 33km#
[09:42] <ibanezmatt13> good stuff
[09:42] <Jess--> was just thinking it may make retreival of horiz difficult if there is another payload in the air on same freq
[09:42] <jcoxon> ignore that, its because its detected a small ascent rate while you were prepping
[09:43] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/habanero-434.250mhz-2013-06-30-0939utc.jpg
[09:43] <fsphil> yea I wouldn't believe that prediction
[09:43] <PE2G> Freq is drifting with ~100 Hz/min upwards
[09:43] <ibanezmatt13> So even if I was using the rubber duck antenna for my radio (which I'm not) would I still have a chance of receiving horiz2 when I'm in the green circle?
[09:44] <jarod> can you see a track on that map?
[09:44] <Jess--> I would say so ibanezmatt13
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[09:45] <Jess--> depends on what is around you though
[09:45] <fsphil> also depends on the output power of the payload
[09:45] <Jess--> welsh launches I can track from outside the blue circle from here
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[09:45] <PE2G> jarod: Zoom in to the balloon and you'll see the track
[09:45] <jarod> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ can you see a track here?
[09:45] <jarod> ah
[09:45] <jarod> AH!
[09:46] <jarod> green on green :/
[09:46] <PB0NER> I'm on 343.249, it is drifting towards .250
[09:46] <jarod> :P
[09:46] <jarod> (sat view)
[09:46] <jarod> ah map, better :P
[09:46] <PB0NER> s9+10 no preamp....
[09:47] <Maxell> sdsdsdsd irc work
[09:47] <Maxell> op chasecar should be back in action
[09:48] <costyn> whee
[09:48] <costyn> that was fun
[09:48] <costyn> still pumped on andrenaline... it wasn't going exactly striaght up at launch, making that last bit a bit tircky
[09:49] <jarod> when do bandwidth too wide in sdr#, it looses signal
[09:49] <PB0NER> did it just reboot. telem seems changed
[09:49] <GMT> at least you didn't have the same problem as daveake yesterday
[09:49] <jarod> you guys sure the balloon isn't attached to Maxell's car with a wire?
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[09:50] <GMT> maybe attached to that police van?
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[09:50] <jarod> :D
[09:50] <M0TVU> Morning all
[09:50] <Maxell> mhahaha
[09:50] <PB0NER> morning!
[09:50] <jarod> so what's this balloon doing
[09:50] <jarod> ?
[09:51] <M0TVU> OMG Horizon is literally just down te road. Wish I had of known earlier I would have loved to have said hello and watched the launch
[09:51] <Maxell> PB0NER: you picked up quickly, the other hams knew you
[09:51] <M0CJM_Neil> Morning
[09:51] <PB0NER> I was going to visit the launch, but my health fails on me....
[09:51] <costyn> GMT: haha @ blonde females :)
[09:51] <horizon2> Run, you might make it!
[09:51] <Maxell> oh too bad PB0NER
[09:51] <GMT> costyn: well, I know that wasn't you!
[09:51] <M0TVU> Im on the 145.400 net at the moment
[09:51] <jarod> i cant believe how weak the signal is and how well it decodes :)
[09:51] <PB0NER> I had surgery two weeks ago...
[09:51] <costyn> GMT: nope, although I'm blonde, i'm not female :P
[09:52] <M0TVU> I live on the beacon just off doebank lane
[09:52] <PB0NER> But yes, I know pb0ahx, pa3weg, pd2rvk which where helping out costyn
[09:52] <GMT> costyn: and you're also not a 'lumpy jumper'
[09:52] <jarod> Maxell no faster then 120 ok? :P
[09:52] <M0TVU> So gad you got it all up and running Horizon
[09:52] <PB0NER> I picked up early since It is very close to me (<30km or so)
[09:52] <Maxell> jarod: it is fixed in softwar
[09:53] <M0TVU> Wold love to vsit one day
[09:53] <Maxell> it should clip at 120
[09:53] <Maxell> lol
[09:53] <jarod> hahahhahaa
[09:53] <jarod> but officer... scientific studies show....
[09:53] <PE2G> jarod: In HAB terms this is a very strong signal!
[09:53] <horizon2> We should be doing another launch next year, so keep an eye out for that
[09:53] <g0hww> trying to build fresh dl-fldigi from git. there seem to be broken links to missing files in habitat-cpp-connector/
[09:54] <jcoxon> g0hww, have you added teh submodules?
[09:54] <g0hww> er
[09:54] <jcoxon> e.g. git submodule init
[09:54] <g0hww> ah
[09:54] <jcoxon> see here: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu
[09:54] <g0hww> that'll be it
[09:54] <g0hww> thanks
[09:54] <M0CJM_Neil> So what we tracking guys??
[09:55] <jarod> eceivers: PE1BUD, jijdaar, Jarod, RevSpace, PE2G, PB0NER, F5APQ
[09:55] <jarod> ah!
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[09:55] <fsphil> "git submodule update --init" works too I believe
[09:55] <PE2G> HABANERO 434.2516, drifting upwards with ~100 Hz/min
[09:55] <jarod> PE2G had to adjust a couple of times already
[09:55] <Maxell> damn
[09:56] <PE2G> I am adjusting constantly
[09:56] <jarod> wow it "reset"?
[09:56] <PB0NER> i had to ajust too.. that is the reason pb0ahx is not tracking anymore.... he set up his gear.. and went to the launch site
[09:57] <PB0NER> predictions seem pretty right again...
[09:57] <fsphil> it may be setup to reset the radio periodically
[09:57] <fsphil> it's a sensible thing to do if the radio is an RFM22B
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[09:58] <jarod> still cant believe i am receiving it :)
[09:59] <Maxell> PB0NER: 118 m high, thats sick
[09:59] <PD4KDZ> Morning.... a 599 signal for the alternation ;-)
[09:59] <costyn> fsphil: it is setup to reset yes; every 50 sstrings
[09:59] <PB0NER> 118m?
[10:00] <PB0NER> I'm not.... but I have 'location trouble' with the whole system... do not know why
[10:00] <bertrik> hm, dl-fldigi hangs here
[10:00] <Maxell> PB0NER: PE2G has done some crazy shit http://i.imgur.com/xVUOIEx.png
[10:01] <Upu> Should put that on the records : http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records#radio_range_10mw_50_baud
[10:01] <jarod> brb :-)
[10:01] <jarod> woke up for this :P
[10:01] <PE2G> Maxell: With equiment worth less than 100 euros :))
[10:02] <PB0NER> I have similar results for the that PI that flew over holland, germany, switzerland, france
[10:03] <PE2G> I bought the FT-790R for 70 euros last year
[10:03] <costyn> ascent rate is perfect
[10:03] <costyn> with only 1 stirk
[10:04] <PB0NER> I'm using a IC-910h, 30m aircell7 and a diamond x5000
[10:04] <PB0NER> (no preamp)
[10:04] <PB0NER> and a Mac for decoding
[10:04] <costyn> heh... open bridge on the highway
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[10:04] <PB0NER> lol!
[10:05] <costyn> turned on the stream
[10:05] <g0hww> what is horiz2 transmitting today?
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[10:06] <PB0NER> drifting .... up
[10:07] <bertrik> yes, we see that here too
[10:07] <LazyLeopard> What's the dial for HABANERO?
[10:07] <PB0NER> i'm on 434.252.6, but pretty close
[10:07] <bertrik> 434.254 here
[10:07] <jarod> yap
[10:08] <jarod> toilet, adjust sdr#
[10:08] <jarod> shave, adjust sdr#
[10:08] <jarod> :P
[10:08] <PB0NER> lol... I'm watching the video from inside the chase car
[10:08] <GMT> Im just inside the blue circle, but no signal heard
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[10:09] <costyn> yea stream live again at http://ustre.am/SMza
[10:09] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Still too faint here. Geography in the way perhaps...
[10:09] <M0CJM_Neil> I am about 20 miles outside the blue circle (to the west) and think I can just hear something very very slightly but no decodes yet
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[10:10] <Maxell> lets roll!
[10:10] <g0hww> i can just hear habanero in bury st edmunds
[10:10] <Maxell> we are on the move again
[10:10] <Maxell> OK, livestream back on again http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[10:10] <PE2G> HABANERO 434.254
[10:10] <Upu> can see it here 434.253
[10:11] <jarod> 434.254.700 :)
[10:11] <jarod> (rtlsdr)
[10:11] <Upu> FT817 :)
[10:11] <LazyLeopard> It's one of those classic can-only-see-the-gaps signal.
[10:12] <Upu> H$HABANERO,69--10:1:02,51-6939,+.6429,1-9609,6$9,%394,-*8D91
[10:12] <Upu> needs more preamps :)
[10:12] <Maxell> bahahaha
[10:12] <Maxell> 100 baud is difficult, told ya guys
[10:13] <Upu> so close to a decode
[10:13] <LazyLeopard> Getting nearer being readable.
[10:13] <Upu> got it meh only 489km :)
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[10:14] <costyn> Upu: it's still low
[10:14] <costyn> :)
[10:14] <costyn> what the carp... I'm decoding, fldigi says it's uploaing, but I'm not in the receivers list
[10:14] <Upu> I need to preamp the 817
[10:15] <Upu> the FCD is decoding fine
[10:15] <PB0NER> that happens now and then... when there are many decoders
[10:15] <costyn> ok, i'm there now
[10:16] <M0CJM_Neil> Am about 5 miles outside blue circle
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[10:16] <M0CJM_Neil> Where are you costyn?
[10:16] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
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[10:16] <GMT> costyn is in the blue car on spacenear
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[10:16] <junderwood_M0JCU> Arrggh. Forgot to modify the filter bandwidth for 100 baud
[10:17] <PB0NER> remember to watch the live stream from the chase car : http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn?utm_campaign=spacenear.us&utm_source=13056404&utm_medium=social
[10:17] <M0CJM_Neil> Oh in the Netherlands?
[10:17] <M0CJM_Neil> Dont think stream is working
[10:18] <iain_G4SGX> Not seeing a trace, think my antenna too low I think , too much in the way.
[10:18] <PB0NER> need to ajust again..
[10:18] <jarod> "hehe dat ding landt bij frans bauer in de woonwagen volgens de kaart" <-- bertrik :P
[10:18] <M0TVU> What's happening with HORIZON?
[10:19] <Upu> really good signal here costyn
[10:19] <PD4KDZ> ... die is toch altijd vrolijk ;-)
[10:19] <fsphil> 434.250 still?
[10:19] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.253
[10:19] <Maxell> yep
[10:19] <jarod> 256 almost
[10:19] <PD4KDZ> 434.25308
[10:19] <costyn> Upu: nice
[10:20] <Maxell> M0CJM_Neil: costyn is next to me in the chasecar
[10:20] <junderwood_M0JCU> reset
[10:20] <costyn> junderwood_M0JCU: yea RFM resets every 50 strings
[10:20] <fsphil> not that I've any hope without black RF magic
[10:20] <costyn> junderwood_M0JCU: by design
[10:21] <PE2G> Freq drift not so fast anymore
[10:21] <costyn> fsphil: heh.. no you're a little far
[10:21] <jarod> heat... steady ;)
[10:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> It's amazing how accurate the blue horizon is.
[10:21] <jarod> height is everything :)
[10:22] <M0CJM_Neil> ahh coo Maxell. I amsure can just hear it here in Hampshire
[10:22] <junderwood_M0JCU> I can see the signal before the horizon gets to me but the decode fixes up very quickly once the horizon arrives
[10:22] Action: Hix has discovered that Wings n Wheels is on today, just up the road. Might go and see if I can pick up some bargains at the traders fair
[10:22] <jarod> freq drifting down :O
[10:23] <fsphil> Wings and Wheels seems a very specific kind of event
[10:23] <PB0NER> it is moving away from the prediction line
[10:24] <PB0NER> I hear you!! and do understand dutch...
[10:24] <fsphil> normal enough
[10:24] <fsphil> there's some variation
[10:24] <fsphil> the prediction will update
[10:24] <PB0NER> prediction line was updated... but it is moving away
[10:25] <PB0NER> again
[10:25] <GMT> 'Wings and Wheels' were the two original design concepts for sanitary towels ... guess which one the chose
[10:25] <Upu> still negative elevation for me
[10:25] <fsphil> aah chase car view!
[10:25] <Maxell> jarod: the transmitter is at -17°C
[10:26] <fsphil> nooo you're driving on the wrong side of the road!!!11
[10:26] <costyn> going to stop at the gas station
[10:26] <PE2G> I wouldn't go to the predicted landing point, but to the expected burst point
[10:26] <Upu> lol fsphil
[10:26] <PE2G> Stay behind the balloon
[10:26] <costyn> PE2G: what do you know that I don't? :)
[10:27] <PE2G> Experiense with met balloons
[10:27] <PE2G> experiences
[10:27] <Maxell> like no shit is drifting
[10:27] <Maxell> lololo
[10:27] <fsphil> the burst point is in a river
[10:27] <fsphil> over a river even
[10:27] <PB0NER> aren't we on the right side of the road... lol
[10:27] <PB0NER> Ice cream stop!
[10:28] <costyn> PB0NER: yes
[10:28] <fsphil> an early burst will put it further east
[10:28] <Maxell> transmitter restart
[10:28] <fsphil> so I think they're in a safe enough spot now
[10:28] <PB0NER> hallo
[10:28] <costyn> landing spot still too close to the big river
[10:28] <Maxell> hi PB0NER ;)
[10:29] <PE2G> Distances aren't too great with these winds
[10:29] <PB0NER> Maxwell, I'm watching the live stream from the chase car, and they asked to say hello if you are watching the stream
[10:29] <Maxell> lol yeah
[10:29] <Maxell> super slow Q and A :P
[10:30] <fsphil> didn't decode anything from the live stream :)
[10:30] <PB0NER> nice that they speak in Dutch...
[10:30] <PB0NER> for all you guys....
[10:30] <fsphil> there we go :)
[10:30] <PB0NER> hey, I can decode from the audio from the live stream...
[10:30] <fsphil> nearly
[10:31] <fsphil> getting some QRM :)
[10:31] <GMT> while they're getting fuel, can I have a choccy bar, I'm hungry
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[10:31] <fsphil> green line :)
[10:31] <fsphil> 838km ... but cheating
[10:31] <PB0NER> my distance now 45.8km
[10:31] <M0CJM_Neil> Well inside green line here now but noo decodes yet
[10:32] <ibanezmatt13> horiz not lauched yet?
[10:32] <fsphil> not yet
[10:32] <g0hww> i got 1 green from habanero. mostly about 95% print
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[10:33] <ibanezmatt13> anything wrong?
[10:33] <PB0NER> in the mean time I'm working on my 13cm PA for ATV
[10:33] <Jess--> g0hww: you are doing better than me, about 95% rubbish here (m0vbr on map)
[10:33] <M0CJM_Neil> Almost.......... $$HANEO$83110#;51.319,+4.8231,1&72,11 6,-18,-5,4.04*D2f1ÿÿ $HABANEO,832,10:3:`4,51.0,+.8228,16730,11,6#8,-35,6.6*870
[10:33] <Maxell> it's doing funny loops now
[10:33] <Maxell> noce M0CJM_Neil
[10:33] <Maxell> nice
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[10:34] <PB0NER> it stopped drifting in frequncy for me...
[10:34] <M0CJM_Neil> Maxell Share your crisps :-)
[10:35] <fsphil> no sign of it. need more sporadic E. or more cheating via the live stream
[10:35] <db_g6gzh> I went and got a biscuit 8-)
[10:35] <PE2G> Signal beautifully stable now on 434.2547
[10:35] <Maxell> ice cream >:)
[10:35] <g0hww> Jess--, I'm a fair bit closer than you
[10:35] <GMT> We want crisps!
[10:35] <M0CJM_Neil> Maxell Give me a wave please ;-)_
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[10:36] <PB0NER> yeah, with ketchup :-)
[10:36] <Upu> 502km
[10:36] <PB0NER> wow major sudden drift
[10:36] <GMT> no ketchup!
[10:36] Action: ibanezmatt13 moves onto beef crisps after bacon barm :)
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[10:36] <Jess--> g0hww: antenna here is low (2m off ground) and the wrong side of the house for habanero
[10:37] <PB0NER> lol it is drifting in the other direction now
[10:37] <fsphil> man that's a nice day there
[10:38] <g0hww> Jess--, excuses .... my colinear is in the loft, but i do seem to get ADS-B stuff all the way to the dutch coast so must be a good direction for me. at least its not looking through the terrace :)
[10:38] <PB0NER> some other rtty signal popped up briefly
[10:38] <PE2G> fsphil: Here in the east of NL still 8/8 overcast
[10:38] <PB0NER> signal strength dropped... a little bit
[10:38] <fsphil> ah patchy sunshine then
[10:38] <Upu> yep I noted that as well PB0NER
[10:38] <GMT> now they're discussing beards
[10:38] <g0hww> erm, actually, i forgot, i'm using the discone which is also in the loft
[10:38] <fsphil> lol
[10:39] <PB0NER> inverters are bad!
[10:39] <g0hww> along with the colinears, L-band omni, and 2m turnstile
[10:39] <fsphil> better out than in
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[10:40] <G4MYS-Andy> is Horizon RTTY or RTTYR cause its not making a lot of sence!
[10:40] <fsphil> stream keeps failing
[10:40] <fsphil> generally all flights are USB G4MYS-Andy
[10:40] <Jess--> g0hww: for habenero I have 40 feet of reinforced concrete house in the way (wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt reinforced)
[10:40] <Maxell> costyn his radio had squeels on.. fuuuuuuuuuuuu
[10:40] <PB0NER> lol , the baloon is close to the crisps factory.... raamsdonksveer
[10:40] <fsphil> lol
[10:40] <g0hww> Jess--, oh unlucky
[10:41] <jarod> Maxell car trouble? :P
[10:41] <costyn> fsphil: we're going through areas of spotty 3g coverage I expect
[10:41] <G4MYS-Andy> Im on USB got good water fall but jiberish on screen!
[10:41] <fsphil> costyn: I'm impressed it's worked as well as it has
[10:41] <fsphil> I know for a fact I couldn't do that here
[10:41] <Maxell> jarod: ice cream
[10:41] <PB0NER> yeah seem to have lost the live stream
[10:41] <fsphil> G4MYS-Andy: they haven't launched yet, are you that close?
[10:42] <Maxell> live stream too much data
[10:42] <jarod> Maxell :-)
[10:42] <Maxell> jarod: we back on the road again
[10:42] <costyn> sorry live stream is off for a bit
[10:42] <Maxell> chase care still updating?
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[10:42] <costyn> want to stay under 500MB
[10:43] <costyn> and up to 350 from 110 at the start of the day
[10:43] <fsphil> costyn: you'll have to describe it for us now. "We're driving down a long road ... the sun is out ... there is the faint smell of summer in the air ... "
[10:43] <db_g6gzh> and we're eating more snacks 8-)
[10:43] <costyn> fsphil: nothing of all that... windows closed with aricon
[10:44] <fsphil> "The faint whurrr of the aircon ... "
[10:44] <fsphil> work with me here
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[10:44] <Maxell> look, a dutch wind mill
[10:44] <Maxell> OK, chasecar updating, costyn now also decoding again
[10:44] <Maxell> im still decoding its going OK
[10:44] <costyn> gnashing at my nails here
[10:45] <costyn> I really fear that huge river north of us
[10:45] <Jess--> Cheers to whoever knocked Titan 2 off the list for today, it got scrubbed at around 1am
[10:45] <M0CJM_Neil> Is there a calendar somewhere that lists all the launches?
[10:45] <costyn> M0CJM_Neil: yes, there's an ical feed
[10:45] <costyn> M0CJM_Neil: check habhub.org
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[10:45] <M0CJM_Neil> ok will do thanks
[10:46] <Martin_G4FUI> fsphil you should get out more ! :)
[10:46] <Maxell> checking for a spot to camp for the balloon
[10:46] <Jess--> I was just going by it not showing on spacenear
[10:46] <fsphil> Martin_G4FUI: nah, it's raining
[10:46] <costyn> fsphil: can you adjust the predictor ascent rate to 5? or is it adjusting it automatically?
[10:46] <fsphil> costyn: it's automatic after launch
[10:46] <Martin_G4FUI> Sunny here :)
[10:46] <costyn> fsphil: thanks
[10:47] <griffonbot> Received email: M5AKA "Re: [UKHAS] International Space Colloquium Guildford"
[10:47] <M0CJM_Neil> Cant see any ical feeds on habhub.
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[10:48] <jarod> nice
[10:48] <jarod> works via VAC
[10:49] <bertrik> jarod: cool you got it up and running so quickly
[10:49] <db_g6gzh> signal faded here
[10:49] <jarod> same
[10:49] <x-f> M0CJM_Neil, click on "habitat", then "calendar"
[10:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> HI Guys, can someone let me know if HORIZ2 has been launched yet please?
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[10:50] <jcoxon> G0TDJ_Steve, doesn't appear to have
[10:50] <PB0NER> why you can see that on the map
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[10:50] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks jcoxon
[10:50] <jarod> bertrik: that way or not...
[10:50] <jarod> this i why i still love windows
[10:50] <jarod> install, do a few settings and work
[10:51] <G0TDJ_Steve> And while I'm at it, whats the command to ping a user like you just did me please jcoxon?
[10:51] <fsphil> yea there's no signal at all on 434.075 yet
[10:51] <fsphil> even if they'd launched without saying, someone would see it
[10:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the dial for habanero atm ?
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[10:52] <jarod> signal too weak for me now
[10:52] <jarod> brb quick eat, no reception :)
[10:52] <PE2G> 434.2546
[10:52] <G4MYS_Andy> Compter error was showing TTYR or TTY thus gibberish out had to turn off and on Damm Windows!
[10:52] <PB0NER> and drift up a bit...
[10:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G thanks
[10:53] <costyn> fsphil: ascent is a littel slower, so the calc says higher burst.. do you think we should update the predictor?
[10:53] <PB0NER> I feel sorry you have to deal with the crap from redmond.....
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[10:53] <M0CJM_Neil> Sadly no green decodes... $$HABANERO,957,10:53:151.7018,+4.7805,22752,9,6,-18,-28,3.95*2C93
[10:53] <fsphil> costyn: the burst alt isn't caculated automatically
[10:53] <chrisg7ogx> habanero vy stable in frequeny
[10:54] <fsphil> I can set it a bit higher if you want?
[10:54] <guest1> hi, receiving HABANERO here in SSB in the netherlands, but struggeling a little with setup of the decoder:(
[10:54] <costyn> fsphil: yes, 34k plz
[10:54] <PB0NER> yeah it is... with some little 'quick' drifts (rotating?)
[10:55] <chrisg7ogx> guest1 what decoder?
[10:55] <PB0NER> @guest1, what do you need to know?
[10:55] <guest1> just installed fldigi, I read the tx is 100Bd RTTY, does that work?
[10:55] <PB0NER> yes... did you get dl-fldigi?
[10:56] <M0CJM_Neil> I have a green! :-) $$HABANERO,969,10:55:10,51.7036,+4.7635,23372,8,6,-17,-28,3.97*660
[10:56] <guest1> yes I have it installed and setuped with audio etc
[10:56] <PB0NER> different version made for habitat uploading...
[10:56] <M0CJM_Neil> 415km
[10:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> Listening for HABANERO in Crayford on Diamond X50 - Nothing heard
[10:56] <fsphil> costyn: that's it now
[10:56] <fsphil> costyn: not much difference
[10:56] <costyn> ok tahsnk
[10:56] <guest1> ok good point, let me have a look at DL-fldigi
[10:56] <PB0NER> that configures automatically
[10:56] <PD4KDZ> guest1 try to use te auto config
[10:57] <costyn> fsphil: we've seen the past 2 come down, so we'd like to keep the trend going :)(
[10:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> faint traces of habanero now
[10:58] <PB0NER> dl-fldigi-> browse all-> habanero -> auto configure .... will set up dl fldigi atomatically
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[10:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> FYI - ISS about to traverse Europe - http://www.n2yo.com/
[10:58] <chrisg7ogx> guest1 can u hear and see signals on ur display?
[10:59] <PB0NER> some HAMS made a QSO on 23cm, bouncing off on ISS ....
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[10:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> Interesting PB0NER
[10:59] <Darkside> saw that
[11:00] <Darkside> hopefully it was more than a JT63 qso
[11:00] <PB0NER> Yeah, some dutch guys did that, world first
[11:00] <guest1> chris, yes I see it in the waterfall no problem
[11:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> Must have tight beans for that.
[11:00] <guest1> DL-FLDIGI is installed now
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[11:00] <G0TDJ_Steve> LOL Beams I mean
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[11:00] <Darkside> G0TDJ_Steve: very tight beans
[11:00] <chrisg7ogx> often see cw sigs trying to follow iss
[11:00] <PB0NER> peeeeeeaaaaauwwww.... frequency drift....sudden
[11:00] <Darkside> :P
[11:00] <PE2G> guest1: DL Client > Configure > Location > Enter your decimal coordinates and Altitude
[11:00] <Martin_G4FUI> G0TDJ_Steve see http://www.dj5ar.de/
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hey Darkside, how did you ping me?
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> Cheers Martin, looking
[11:01] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: cool
[11:01] <PB0NER> ping steve [ENTER]
[11:01] <Darkside> G0TDJ_Steve: nah :P
[11:01] <Darkside> tis ok
[11:01] <chrisg7ogx> no change here maybe off aircraft?
[11:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn allmost decodeable
[11:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> PB0NER, I meant give a tone when the line is posted.
[11:02] <PB0NER> oh yeah, as you just did, have not figured that out yet
[11:02] <Maxell> On the move again
[11:02] <chrisg7ogx> no decode guest1?
[11:02] <g0hww> is the distance shown in dl-fldigi slant range or ground range?
[11:02] <guest1> what mode do I have to select?
[11:02] <Jess--> PB0NER: G0TDJ_Steve I think it's just based on your nick being in the text
[11:03] <chrisg7ogx> rtty
[11:03] <PB0NER> ow, that seems logical
[11:03] <guest1> rtty-hab-50?
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Like this Jess--
[11:03] <GMT> I can finally see the trace in the waterfall of SDR#, not strong enough to decode
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[11:03] <PB0NER> mogge wouter!
[11:03] <Jess--> yeap G0TDJ_Steve
[11:03] <chrisg7ogx> u should see two vertical lines
[11:03] <guest1> yes
[11:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Thanks Jess--, that clears that up!
[11:03] <Martin_G4FUI> I have it in the w/f now ...
[11:03] <PB0NER> chase car in traffic jam?
[11:04] <Jess--> and to get an exact match on someones nick type the first couple of letters and press tab
[11:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Still waiting for HABANERO footprint to get to me
[11:04] <chrisg7ogx> are ur tracking lines from fldigi on top of those signals?
[11:04] <G0TDJ_Steve> Jess--: Cool, works well
[11:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn $$HABANERO,1025,11:04:11,51.7126,+4.6776,26409,8,6,-15,-21,3.95*61B8 got it
[11:04] <Martin_G4FUI> I'm still outside the blue circle, but I hear it
[11:05] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: very cool
[11:05] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: hows the signal?
[11:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> I can hear packets from ISS on 145.825MHz
[11:05] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: What's your distance to the balloon?
[11:05] <m3eav> I was listening to Italian astronaut having a school comms yesterday
[11:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PE2G 626.6km acording to fldigi
[11:06] <PE2G> OZ1SKY_Brian: Terrific!
[11:06] <Martin_G4FUI> Getting some of the telemetry now, long way off a green string though ...
[11:06] <PB0NER> yeah, the TX seems to work pretty well
[11:07] <Maxell> Having fun, tracking meter PA3WEG, PE1BUD, M0JCU, G8KNN, jijdaar, G8KNN-1, M0CJM, pb0ahx, G4MYS, OZ1SKY, PE2G, F4FWT, G7OGX, G7UXW, PB0NER, F5CT, M0UPU, M0UPU-1, F5APQ, Eric, COSTYN, M0LEP, Maxell_chase
[11:07] <Maxell> still drvting like a mad man?
[11:07] <chrisg7ogx> great sgs here s/n 17db
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[11:07] <PE2G> Habenero 434.2547
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[11:08] <guest1> fl-digi is setuped to RTTY-HAB-50, and I see signal in waterfall, anything else to setup?
[11:08] <chrisg7ogx> guest1 how r u doing?
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[11:08] <guest1> No decode so far
[11:08] <g0hww> http://www.g0hww.net/2013/06/habanero.html
[11:08] <chrisg7ogx> r ur tuning lines on top of sigs?
[11:09] <G7UXW--Kevin> there has just been a longer than nusual pause Why ???
[11:09] <PB0NER> but you got it set-up and see the signals in the waterfall, guest1?
[11:09] <G4MYS_Andy> Guest 1 do uyou have RTTYR? and on 434.254MHz?
[11:09] <G7UXW--Kevin> usual
[11:09] <Maxell> weak signals here in the chase car
[11:09] <PB0NER> radio reset, good to reset it now and then
[11:09] <guest1> andy, yes 434.254 rtty is audible
[11:09] <fsphil> make sure your radio is set to USB
[11:09] <G4MYS_Andy> and are you on USB?
[11:09] <guest1> chris, yes tuning lines on top
[11:10] <Martin_G4FUI> Slow fading here
[11:10] <PB0NER> did you got the auto configure?
[11:10] <guest1> let me take a screenshot, maybe SNR is too low
[11:10] <db_g6gzh> guest1: it's 100 baud, recommend you select payload at top and hit auto-configure
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[11:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn very good tx and ant, its still -0.2deg elevation but 26db s/r
[11:11] <PB0NER> you can play with the values -12 and 90 left bottom corner
[11:11] <DiJuMx> HORIZ2 launching
[11:11] <G4MYS_Andy> when Hoz 2 launching?
[11:12] <DiJuMx> According to Twitter, now
[11:12] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: Thanks, let us know when it's up please.
[11:12] <PB0NER> if the signal is weak, make the screen as blue as possible and the signal as intence as possible and move from that
[11:12] <Martin_G4FUI> First red string :)
[11:12] <G4MYS_Andy> OK well monotor the suituation many tnx
[11:12] <fsphil> no new horizon telemetry in an hour
[11:12] <G7UXW--Kevin> I need 2 screen here to do this right
[11:13] <fsphil> two screens are brilliant
[11:13] <guest1> Screenshot of decode: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/nWZIwQhaxjWSqZm0jWG4UHvPkeHd7O-wMo2AD5xxwhw?feat=directlink
[11:13] <G4MYS_Andy> 2 screens or two computers!
[11:13] <PB0NER> yeah... I'm on a laptop with extra 24" screen
[11:13] <m3eav> yeah 2 screen lappy here too, hope to go to 4 screens later when i get ts-2000
[11:13] <m3eav> use desktop comp
[11:13] <fsphil> guest1: turn off SQL at the bottom right
[11:14] <G4MYS_Andy> correct the bit that says USB , next to the green zeros to read RTTYR
[11:14] <PB0NER> still need more space, soon I will remove windows frum my desktop upstairs, that has 4x19" monitors....
[11:14] <chrisg7ogx> try and select Rv at bottom right
[11:14] <fsphil> guest1: you also need to select the payload from the list at the top left, and press auto-configure
[11:14] <DiJuMx> Livestream for Horizon here: http://justin.tv/project_horizon
[11:14] <m3eav> 4 monitors is best, even with two i get frtrated sometimes when doign decodes, space trackign etc
[11:15] <m3eav> even typing.....:-)
[11:15] <fsphil> 4 would be nice
[11:15] <G7UXW--Kevin> guest 1 you have tne wrong settings use the autoconfig button or use 100-460 is what I have set here
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[11:15] <chrisg7ogx> try and select Rv button at bottom right
[11:15] <m3eav> i think i need a scam mast first, get over these dam neigbours houses
[11:15] <guest1> getting decode now:)
[11:15] <fsphil> I see a balloon
[11:15] <PB0NER> I stopped using that machine when I got my Macbook, never ever bothered woth windows anymore
[11:15] <Maxell> 30 Km!!
[11:15] <Maxell> woot
[11:16] <PB0NER> but soon it will run Debian
[11:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: Looks like quite a fight!
[11:16] <G4MYS_Andy> looks like they are having fun with HORIZ2!
[11:16] Action: fsphil spots an FT790
[11:16] <PE2G> guest1: After Autoconfigure, Op_Mode > RTTY > Custom > Carrier Shift > Custom > adjust shift (red lines on the traces)
[11:16] <G7UXW--Kevin> long pause again why ???
[11:16] <fsphil> G7UXW--Kevin: the radio is reset every 50 strings
[11:16] <PB0NER> radio r4eset
[11:16] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: THey should have the camera on a tripod
[11:17] <G7UXW--Kevin> thanks phil
[11:17] <PB0NER> it seems to be doing so every 5 mins or so
[11:17] <fsphil> woo, moments to go
[11:18] <G7UXW--Kevin> has anyone got their gps to work with dlfidigi ??
[11:18] <costyn> G7UXW--Kevin: yes
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[11:18] <Martin_G4FUI> Looks like the horizon boys are ready for a game of cricket :)
[11:18] <costyn> G7UXW--Kevin: a bluetooth gps worked fine for me. it sent serial data
[11:19] <fsphil> yea I've done GPS > dl-fldigi a few times on linux
[11:19] <PB0NER> got a little fading
[11:19] <fsphil> a few windows users have reported bugs though
[11:19] <G7UXW--Kevin> I have a garman 48 serial to comm 8 4800 usual stuff but it no work
[11:19] <bertrik> what's the expected burst altitude for habanero 2?
[11:19] <fsphil> 33/34km
[11:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> PB0NER here too, getting weaker now
[11:19] <ibanezmatt13> If a box design has the batteries on the bottom, how are you supposed to put the batteries in just before launch without having to glue everything while the batteries are running?
[11:19] <Jess--> looks like a fun launch for horizon
[11:19] <fsphil> so not long now
[11:20] <PB0NER> I just had my first RED line...
[11:20] <PB0NER> now much stronger again....
[11:20] <G0TDJ_Steve> Neat T-Shirt...
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[11:21] <fsphil> matrix quotes
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[11:21] <Martin_G4FUI> Yay! first green string :)
[11:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> +0.1deg elevation, but moving away from me
[11:22] <guest1> Getting good decode now; https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/TddaV2NzAcpKeG7EcFNCP3vPkeHd7O-wMo2AD5xxwhw?feat=directlink
[11:22] <G7UXW--Kevin> I now about the serial mouse that goes mad shoud have been removed years ago
[11:22] <fsphil> coming up to 33km
[11:22] <guest1> thanks for your help guys
[11:22] <fsphil> G7UXW--Kevin: so true
[11:22] Action: chrisstubbs wonders if google hangouts would work well for hab launch streaming
[11:22] <PB0NER> is it working? guest1?
[11:22] <fsphil> I've not used hangouts -- it's a kind of multi-client video chat thing isn't it?
[11:22] <Martin_G4FUI> 581km
[11:22] <guest1> PBONER, yes working ok now
[11:22] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: Whats the twitter feed for HORIZON please?
[11:22] <PE2G> guest1: Congrats!
[11:23] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, yes but I think you can set just one person to stream and others to watch
[11:23] <G7UXW--Kevin> how do I get names to appear with typing in full ??
[11:23] <chrisg7ogx> guest1 ur welcome and welcome
[11:23] <DiJuMx> G0TDJ_Steve, https://twitter.com/horizonqmgs
[11:23] <fsphil> ah neat
[11:23] <chrisstubbs> G7UXW--Kevin, "G7" <tab>
[11:23] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: Thanks
[11:23] <G7UXW--Kevin> chrisstubbs: thanks
[11:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> just got alot stronger
[11:23] <fsphil> costyn was right about the higher burst alt
[11:24] <bertrik> 33.5 km and climing
[11:24] <chrisstubbs> I think there is anandroid app for hangouts too, the quality of my last mobile ustream stream was awful
[11:24] <LeoBodnar> Red arrows just flew over :)
[11:24] <costyn> fsphil: :)
[11:24] <fsphil> nearly at 34km
[11:24] <G4MYS_Andy> HOZ 2 being walked across field to stop ballon snagging in trees,.... launch pending awaiting clearance ATC
[11:24] <PB0NER> I think there is some inversion layers
[11:24] <Upu> pop
[11:25] <PB0NER> did it burst?
[11:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> burst?
[11:25] <G7UXW--Kevin> wobble
[11:25] <Maxell> omg
[11:25] <Upu> yeah
[11:25] <fsphil> hehe, 34km exactly
[11:25] <G7UXW--Kevin> burst
[11:25] <Maxell> nice nice
[11:25] <fsphil> how's that for precision
[11:25] <chrisg7ogx> bang
[11:25] <jarod> bertrik how much power does the balloon have?
[11:25] <costyn> amazing
[11:25] <fsphil> costyn gets 100 HAB points :)
[11:25] <m3eav> red arrows on F1 live
[11:25] <fsphil> oh wait, 40m over
[11:25] <m3eav> just then
[11:25] <bertrik> jarod: 10 mW AFAIK
[11:25] <fsphil> 60m
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[11:25] <jarod> ok
[11:25] <jarod> whats the purpose of the balloon btw?
[11:25] <Maxell> science
[11:25] <Maxell> and fun ;)
[11:25] <m3eav> a rocket cost oo much:-)
[11:26] <jarod> what science?
[11:26] <bertrik> to go up
[11:26] <fsphil> rockets are cooler though
[11:26] <Maxell> jarod: and radio
[11:26] <fsphil> well, hotter
[11:26] <m3eav> lots cooler
[11:26] <Maxell> i like doing sdr
[11:26] <g0hww> has it burst?
[11:26] <ibanezmatt13> that's a fast decent
[11:26] <fsphil> g0hww: yep
[11:26] <m3eav> ph well burst...
[11:26] <fsphil> it'll slow down ibanezmatt13
[11:26] <ibanezmatt13> cool, 115mph that is now :)
[11:26] <costyn> livestream is back
[11:26] <PB0NER> nice, i Heard that it was coming down
[11:26] <fsphil> not really a fan of the current predicted landing spot
[11:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn last decode Bearing:219.4 Distance 633.3km Elevation:0.2
[11:27] <G7UXW--Kevin> ,29216,m
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[11:28] <costyn> fsphil: you and me both
[11:28] <costyn> live stream back ustre.am/SMza
[11:28] <G7UXW--Kevin> $$HABANERO,1157,11:25:27,51.7445,+4.4359,32330,9,6,-8,-19,4.01*36E2<<<<<< Last good decode
[11:28] <G0TDJ_Steve> No live stream for HORIZON here
[11:28] <mfa298> G7UXW--Kevin: trying to catchup on some of the scrollback but I think gps not working on windows version of dl-fldigi is a known bug.
[11:28] <ibanezmatt13> So if a payload had a battery pack on the bottom layer and you wanted to stick the batteries in at the launch site, would you have to glue the box together at the launch site or is there a more practical way of doing it?
[11:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> signal all gone now
[11:28] <PE2G> HABANERO is coming down fast, very few decodes after the burst
[11:29] Action: bertrik hurries to the radio
[11:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> ibanezmatt13, you could try a switch?
[11:29] <g0hww> very fast fades here
[11:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> PE2G: Perhaps the parachute hasn't deployed correctly?
[11:29] <G7UXW--Kevin> mfa298: thanks for that info will stop fiddilling with gps now
[11:29] <DiJuMx> G0TDJ_Steve, They are quite far away from the nearest WiFi AP
[11:29] <Maxell> PE2G: thin air
[11:29] <costyn> G0TDJ_Steve: no it always goes that fast... almost no air
[11:29] <ibanezmatt13> junderwood_M0JCU, that's an excellent idea, what type of switch though?
[11:29] <G0TDJ_Steve> Ah, OK Guys. I have a lot to learn!
[11:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> G0TDJ_Steve, it will slow down when it finds some atmosphere
[11:30] <G4MYS_Andy> Note its only the PA stations who are decoding
[11:30] <PB0NER> lets hope it stays 'dry'
[11:30] <G0TDJ_Steve> junderwood_M0JCU: Just like Alex B when he jumped :-)
[11:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> ibanezmatt13, I have used simple slider switches. Just make sure you put them where they won't be caught during launch
[11:30] <ibanezmatt13> thank you junderwood_M0JCU, that's really helped :)
[11:31] <PB0NER> decent slowing down
[11:31] <G0TDJ_Steve> Project Horizon on twitter "We have permission!"
[11:31] <Maxell> [6~good.good
[11:31] <costyn> fsphil: any idea why the landing spot jumped so much?
[11:32] <costyn> fsphil: because of the accurate burst point?
[11:32] <costyn> but we adjusted it
[11:33] <fsphil> the descent speed is probably different
[11:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> HORIZON is up!
[11:33] <G4MYS_Andy> Hoz 2 in sky
[11:33] <x-f> how come there is Belgium land inside of the Netherlands SSE of Breda?
[11:33] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wheres the payload on HORIZON? I don't see it
[11:33] <PE2G> 18.5 m/s at 19500 m is looking good
[11:34] <GMT> x-f: look at the wiki for baarle-nassau, tells you all you need to know
[11:34] <RocketBoy> Gonna have to scrub my launch
[11:34] <ibanezmatt13> horizon launch?
[11:34] <DiJuMx> Horizon 2 Failed
[11:34] <G0TDJ_Steve> RocketBoy: which one is that?
[11:34] <ibanezmatt13> gone up in alt a bit
[11:34] <RocketBoy> XABEM-52
[11:34] <DiJuMx> They launched, looks like they hit trees
[11:35] <benadski> x-f: We have them surrounded...
[11:35] <RocketBoy> its on the same frequency as Horizon
[11:35] <G0TDJ_Steve> RocketBoy: What name?
[11:35] <ibanezmatt13> perhaps they're starting to send it up and they're still holding it at the bottom?
[11:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, I would wait to see if Horizon get off the ground first :)
[11:35] <DiJuMx> ibanezmatt13, horizon2 launch failed
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[11:36] <ibanezmatt13> trees?
[11:36] <Jess--> balloon is gone, looked like it hit trees, lost payload
[11:36] <fsphil> they launched in a field
[11:36] <fsphil> how'd they hit a tree?
[11:36] <Jess--> watching thier live feed
[11:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: That's a real shame
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> :/
[11:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: Glad the payload is OK
[11:36] <G7UXW--Kevin> :(
[11:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> RocketBoy, looks like you're back on
[11:36] <SpeedEvil> Well - at least finding the tree it hit is easier this way.
[11:36] <RocketBoy> junderwood_M0JCU: your right
[11:36] <fsphil> certainly an easy recovery
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[11:36] <Martin_G4FUI> I think they had an issue with wind, amongst other things :(
[11:37] <fsphil> gotta be disappointing though
[11:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: No backup balloon?
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[11:37] <ibanezmatt13> that's bad
[11:37] <bertrik> I can see the habanero2 frequency drift back down now
[11:37] <RocketBoy> looks like XABEN-52 is back on once we get STARBUG in the air
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> Presumably they lost the helium too.
[11:37] <SpeedEvil> So even with a backup balloon...
[11:37] <Martin_G4FUI> oh well, at least there's the F1 GP to watch ...
[11:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> I see
[11:37] <fsphil> RocketBoy: what do you want set for the live predictions for them?
[11:38] <Maxell> Somethings wrong I think Speed: 156.049749756 km/h
[11:38] <Jess--> payload returned under arm on horizon live feed
[11:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> Is there a payload doc for Starbug?
[11:38] <Martin_G4FUI> So it's back to Suzi Perry :)
[11:38] <ibanezmatt13> junderwood_M0JCU, something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/09014-5x-Miniature-PCB-Toggle-Slide-Switch-DP3T-ON-ON-ON-2-Circuit-0-3A-50VDC-/271168215663?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3f22e29a6f
[11:38] <fsphil> doesn't seem to be junderwood_M0JCU
[11:39] <Maxell> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn still working
[11:39] <DiJuMx> G0TDJ_Steve, Don't know, I'm not there, I'm affiliated as an Alumnus of the school, so I'm just interested in their project
[11:39] <ibanezmatt13> junderwood_M0JCU, or this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5x-Micro-Miniature-PCB-Slide-Switch-SPDT-Power-LED-/350804995374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51ad9b6d2e
[11:40] <G0TDJ_Steve> DiJuMx: OK Cheers
[11:40] <junderwood_M0JCU> ibanezmatt13, the second one looks far less likely to be operated by accident
[11:40] <ibanezmatt13> second one is a good one?
[11:40] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, plust the latter is 0.1" so will fit in your breadboard
[11:40] <chrisstubbs> or stripboard
[11:40] <ibanezmatt13> excellent. So how would this work on my stripboard?
[11:40] <ibanezmatt13> I've never seen a 3 pin switch
[11:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> I would put it on the outside of your enclosure
[11:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> rather than on the stripboard
[11:41] <fsphil> not sure I'd be happy with a power switch :)
[11:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> To avoid accidents, why not try http://uk.farnell.com/multicomp/s116-1/keyswitch-spdt-2pos-rdm-1keypull/dp/1735379 :)
[11:42] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil, I have no other way of connecting power because my batteries will be in the bottom layer. Don't want to be glueing at launch site :)
[11:42] <Martin_G4FUI> Poplars and cricket grounds somehow seem to go together, but I don't think poplars and HAB launches on a windy day do !
[11:42] <G4MYS_Andy> have I lost the plot? whats happened to HORIZ2 ??
[11:42] <fsphil> G4MYS_Andy: failed launch
[11:43] <fsphil> not sure why. something involving trees
[11:43] <ibanezmatt13> junderwood_M0JCU, how do you mean? I can't think where else I would put it...
[11:43] <G4MYS_Andy> Oh! thought I saw it go into distance!!
[11:43] <G0TDJ_Steve> G4MYS_Andy: HIt the trees and lost payload, balloon went up alone
[11:44] <fsphil> I'm not sure how that happened, unless their ascent rate was much too low
[11:44] <Relz> are there any other launches today?
[11:44] <G4MYS_Andy> oh bum! thats no good! poor blokes all that effort and left with no joy for us either!
[11:44] <fsphil> two more Relz
[11:44] <Relz> sweet
[11:44] <Martin_G4FUI> They might have had the problem of measuring neck lift with the cross wind they were suffering from
[11:44] <fsphil> right, I have to tidy things up a bit :/
[11:44] <fsphil> yea it didn't look that nice where they where
[11:44] <fsphil> it's horrible handling a balloon in anything but a calm day
[11:45] <DiJuMx> fsphil, G4MYS_Andy, if I understand correctly, there were problems with the Helium and the delay to get permission from Air Traffic Control caused a significant bit to leak, then it hit trees
[11:45] <fsphil> doing it indoors is amazing
[11:45] <Martin_G4FUI> If the mike noise is anything to go by, the conditions weren't exactly ideal
[11:45] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: you can have the batteries in the bottom of the box with long wires leading to the top of the box
[11:45] <fsphil> DiJuMx: it shouldn't normally leak
[11:45] <ibanezmatt13> GMT, by top of the box do you mean... outside?
[11:45] <fsphil> they may not have had the neck sealed tightly enough
[11:45] <ibanezmatt13> or top layer?
[11:45] <GMT> top/outside, wherever
[11:45] <fsphil> helium will diffuse through the latex but very slowly
[11:46] <PB0NER> having a hard time decoding due to doppler/fading
[11:46] <DiJuMx> fsphil, that's what I gathered on the livestream
[11:46] <fsphil> shame
[11:46] <fsphil> hopefully they'll try again
[11:46] <PB0NER> I think it is spinning....
[11:46] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil: I asked on Twitter when they'll try again
[11:47] <PB0NER> owww drifting
[11:47] <G4MYS_Andy> thats why we saw the ballon go into the sky then,.... good on them for the love feed so we could all see real shame
[11:47] <ibanezmatt13> GMT, the box has two layers, batteries are on the bottom, stripboard on the top. If I had a decent switch on the stripboard, couldn't I turn it on then put the lid on? Also, couldn't I coat the switch in hot glue at the site so it couldn't move; would only take a couple of mins to set?
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[11:48] <guest1> nice project, ttyl all!
[11:49] <guest1> (loosing signal here)
[11:49] <G0TDJ_Steve> From Project Horizon on Twitter: "The team is gutted. We've recovered the gear but the parachute is gone. We've still got two launch days left so we're exploring options."
[11:49] <m3eav> is that it for today? what the two others?
[11:49] <PB0NER> at least it passt the waterway.....
[11:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> ibanezmatt13, I always put the switch on the outside so you don't have to do payload assembly at the launch site.
[11:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> Test the day before. Then turn on and go
[11:50] <GMT> ibanezmatt13: that would work ... set everything up in the box, switch it on, make sure its TXing okay and can be received, then seal it up
[11:50] <LeoBodnar> What's this about doppler shift? At 10m/s you get 4Hz shift on 434MHz
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[11:50] <ibanezmatt13> junderwood_M0JCU, personally I don't really like the idea of having the switch coming out of the box. :\
[11:50] <ibanezmatt13> GMT, if that works, i'll do that
[11:50] <PB0NER> it seems to be rotating... adds doppler to
[11:50] <bertrik> LeoBodnar: I guess that the effect of temperature on the transmitter is bigger than doppler
[11:51] <GMT> mmm, bounty-bar
[11:51] <qyx_> LeoBodnar: 4?
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[11:51] <LeoBodnar> 4.34 Hz : http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/default/doppler
[11:51] <costyn> GMT: yep :)
[11:52] <ibanezmatt13> GMT, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5x-Micro-Miniature-PCB-Slide-Switch-SPDT-Power-LED/350804995374?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D8741145320161066288%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D350804995374%26 with these, would hot glue on top after activating stop it from moving in flight?
[11:52] <G0TDJ_Steve> Does anyone know if HABLAB & STARBUG-1 are going to be launched today?
[11:52] <LeoBodnar> TRy waving your antenna on SSB, do you get much Doppler?
[11:52] <PB0NER> hey, guitar player....
[11:53] <G0TDJ_Steve> I take that as a no then...
[11:53] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, hey
[11:55] <costyn> string 1337 just passed :)
[11:55] <Maxell> $$HABANERO,1337,11:54:30,51.6532,+4.6036,7410,9,6,-23,-21,3.88*4912
[11:55] <number10> G0TDJ_Steve: I think they will be launching
[11:55] <Maxell> and i got it as a good decode
[11:55] <craag> G0TDJ_Steve: They were waiting for horizon landing, so could be anytime now as horizon isn't launching.
[11:55] <qyx_> LeoBodnar: isn't that delta f = (delta v / c) * f0? that would give 14.46Hz
[11:56] <qyx_> bud still seems to be low
[11:56] <G0TDJ_Steve> number10: craag Thanks. I have to buzz out but I'll leave the PCs running. I'd like to try and follow them.
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[11:57] <LeoBodnar> Correction: 14Hz
[11:57] <ibanezmatt13> how do these work? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5x-Micro-Miniature-PCB-Slide-Switch-SPDT-Power-LED/350804995374?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D8741145320161066288%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D350804995374%26
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[11:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hello all
[11:58] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, in LH position center pin copnnected to LH pin
[11:58] <number10> hi
[11:58] <chrisstubbs> in RH position center pin connected to RH pin
[11:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still good signal from Delft
[11:58] <PD4KDZ> @PB0NER what is your location?
[11:58] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]: thats great!
[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> ah I see, thanks chrisstubbs
[11:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but multitasking between testing ATV equipment and tracking....
[11:58] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]: we are camping at a good open spot
[11:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nice
[11:59] <Maxell> both costyn and i also picking up decodes!
[11:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> though you might do...
[11:59] <PB0NER> PD4KDZ, I'm in Pijnacker
[11:59] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, worth getting a miltimeter with resistance/continuity mode for testing things like that if you are unsure
[11:59] <PB0NER> (between Delft/Zoetermeer)
[11:59] <Maxell> intresting fades
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, will do :)
[11:59] <PD4KDZ> oke...beam ?
[11:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I hope my knotting skills payed off ;)
[11:59] <PB0NER> Negative, not even an Pre-AMP
[11:59] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: I hope so
[12:00] <PB0NER> IC910,30m Aircell7, Diamond X5000
[12:00] <PD4KDZ> thats nice
[12:00] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: it's seems to be quite slow coming down, hope that doesn't mean it's only the tracker underneath the parachute
[12:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> mhhh, that would suck!
[12:00] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, http://bit.ly/14G6EfA had a few of those beter, cheap and cheerful. Test leads are pretty bad quality but the meter itself is okay for £3
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[12:01] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: yea
[12:01] <ibanezmatt13> already got one chrisstubbs_afk :)
[12:01] <PB0NER> Wouter, Pa3WEG is cheating on his eployers AZ/EL rotor with m2 Arial, cannot beat that
[12:02] <PB0NER> But I'm very close to his location
[12:02] <GMT> gesundheit!
[12:02] <PB0NER> and amazed about the performance I get from my rig, If I only had a pre-amp
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[12:04] <Darkside> PB0NER: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=72_73&product_id=83
[12:04] <PD4KDZ> PA3WEG you made a nice preamp is'nt it
[12:04] <G0TDJ_AFK> FYI Just before I go ISS pass overhead in south of the UK in around 30mins - See you soon!
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> nearly killed myself then. Completed a circuit with no components in it, jesus that was close
[12:06] <PB0NER> Darkside that is nice...
[12:06] <Darkside> they work well
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[12:06] <PB0NER> PD4KDZ , yes he did
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[12:06] <PB0NER> I'm extremely low on financial resources due to illness...
[12:07] <PE2G> Habanero's descent is very nice, but the decoding difficult due to fast fading
[12:07] <PD4KDZ> saw it on his web page
[12:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I did make a pre-amp indeed
[12:07] <PD4KDZ> any let overs ?
[12:07] <PD4KDZ> left
[12:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> martijn will probably get one of the boards
[12:07] <PB0NER> 'probably'?
[12:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, when I have the devices on and time
[12:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> rephrase, eventually
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[12:08] <PB0NER> much better :-)
[12:08] <PD4KDZ> that would be nice, need a second one for my SDR
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[12:09] <PB0NER> chase car will be hit by falling balloon....
[12:09] <costyn> PB0NER: that's the idea
[12:09] <PD4KDZ> ...a beer drinking met do you mean
[12:09] <PB0NER> Breda is interfering
[12:09] <PB0NER> still strong signal
[12:10] <PB0NER> would be really nice if I can decode until it is found....
[12:10] <PD4KDZ> signal is going down
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> looks like a really impressive flight for HABANERO today. Let's hope the landing is successful
[12:11] <PD4KDZ> yep if us stuck in the tower of Breda
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[12:11] <jose> need serious help with gps
[12:12] <PB0NER> landing will be sucessfull.... if recovery will be... that is the question
[12:12] <fsphil> landing is the easy bit...
[12:13] <PB0NER> I'm out of the green
[12:13] <PD4KDZ> Me 2
[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> hope it doesn't land short...
[12:14] <jose> can someone give me a list of what i need to create a gps system
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> is NL 0 ASL throughout?
[12:15] <LeoBodnar> Less negative ASL bits
[12:15] <PB0NER> lets hope it will not land on motorway (a27)
[12:15] <costyn> fuuuuuuuuuuu buildings
[12:18] <PB0NER> still hear it, no decodes after <500m
[12:19] <mfa298> jose: that might vary depending on what you want to do and where you are. But for HAB flights generally it's a suitable GPS module (not all work at altitude), Radio module and a microcontroller to tie it together
[12:19] <fsphil> there it is
[12:19] <costyn> dan
[12:19] <costyn> damn
[12:19] <costyn> didn't see it land
[12:19] <PB0NER> cool, no stream?
[12:19] <fsphil> someones back garden
[12:20] <jose> mfa298: whats the radio module used for?
[12:20] <PD4KDZ> going to track the sun too
[12:21] <PD4KDZ> they need a small yagi antenna?
[12:21] <fsphil> oh, another update
[12:21] <qyx_> hairy stream
[12:21] <x-f> updated, now on the corner of the street
[12:22] <fsphil> that looks like a tree
[12:22] <mfa298> jose: to send telemetry data back to the ground.
[12:22] <jose> so what will it send it to on the ground?
[12:23] <PB0NER> congrads team!!! nice flight
[12:23] <mfa298> depends what you tell it to send - which can vary depending on what you want to do and where you are.
[12:23] <fsphil> Heusdenhoutsestraat .. obviously
[12:23] <mfa298> it might help to know where you are and what you want to do
[12:24] <iain_G4SGX> Are there still launches from Elsworth today?
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[12:25] <PD4KDZ> live stream is fun
[12:25] <x-f> car has arrived
[12:25] <qyx_> uh
[12:25] <PD4KDZ> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[12:25] <x-f> (stream is not working for me, so maybe i'm repeating the obvious)
[12:25] <db_g6gzh> multiple trees 8-)
[12:25] <PB0NER> they found it! in some trees
[12:25] <LeoBodnar> jose: what are you trying to do?
[12:26] <qyx_> i am wathing it now :)
[12:26] <qyx_> x-f: flash
[12:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> knotting skills +1?
[12:26] <jose> track and recover the payload
[12:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> congrats costyn and team!!
[12:26] <jose> LeoBodnar:track and recover the payload
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[12:27] <LeoBodnar> If you are very good with DF you don't need GPS
[12:27] <mfa298> jose: I assume you mean a payload that you want to put under a balloon you send up.
[12:27] <mfa298> jose: what country are you in ?
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[12:28] <qyx_> ar drone is coming, good equipment
[12:28] <number10> nice pole and hook - I wonder how long the pole is
[12:28] <ibanezmatt13> very well prepared
[12:28] <jose> mfa298: uk
[12:29] <PB0NER> well decoder position 3, 7% 802 payload packets decoded
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[12:29] <G4MYS_Andy> Wonder if I can repeat Ians question.... Is there a ballon from Elsworth today Andy
[12:29] <RocketBoy> star bug is up
[12:29] <PB0NER> star bug?
[12:29] <G4MYS_Andy> Many thnak s rocket boy
[12:30] <G4MYS_Andy> 434.650
[12:30] <mfa298> jose: for the uk the standard is to use a ublox gps module which just recieves data from the satellites, a microcontroller (or Raspberry Pi) to parse that data into a useful format and then something like an NTX2 radio module to send that data over the radio.
[12:30] <mfa298> jose: on the ground you listen to it with a radio and decode that data and upload it to spacenear.us (you should get other people trying to recieve the data as well)
[12:31] <jose> mfa298:so that ntx2 is like the antenna ?
[12:31] <PB0NER> any opdates on horizon?
[12:31] <mfa298> jose: lots of good information and guides on ukhas.org.uk
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[12:31] <jose> mfa298: thanks
[12:31] <Relz> good freq to pick 434.650 i have something else transmitting over it
[12:31] <mfa298> jose: it's what converts some data into something you can put into an antenna
[12:31] <number10> starbug is not appearing on the map
[12:32] <Relz> between 434.654 to 434.655
[12:32] <jose> mfa298: so i still need an antenna
[12:32] <mfa298> jose: there should be a couple of UK flights soon which you should see on spacenear.us
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> that flight was perfect
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13> apart from the fact they cant find the tracker
[12:33] <qyx_> the payload is quite destroyed
[12:33] <ibanezmatt13> looks like the gopro survived
[12:33] <qyx_> at least it doesn't look the same as during the launch
[12:34] <PB0NER> hmm hacksaw... too many trees anyway
[12:34] <Relz> 434.650 might be a challenge https://www.dropbox.com/s/3fnkojnhmpvk3sq/434.png
[12:34] <mfa298> jose: the antenna is usually just a few bits of wire, the radio module is what converts from data to radio. It's the reverse of what you might have at home to listen to the radio. The antenna is usually a short wire or telescopic rod, the bit of electronics convert the radio signal to audio.
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[12:34] <Relz> ah its stopped
[12:34] <jose> yeah yeah
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[12:35] <jose> mfa298: so say if i choose the max-6 module how do i connect it to the ardiuno
[12:35] <Relz> ok i am seeing RTTY now for starbug
[12:36] <jose> arduino
[12:36] <mfa298> jose: usually through the serial port
[12:37] <jose> mfa298: okay
[12:37] <mfa298> jose: this might help. http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ublox6
[12:38] <G7UXW--Kevin> what are starbug settings ????
[12:38] <danielsaul> RocketBoy: ping
[12:39] <PB0NER> they got everything, payload, tracker parachute
[12:39] <db_g6gzh> G7UXW--Kevin: 50/220 7N2 434.650
[12:39] <Maxell> ALL IS WELL
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[12:40] <Maxell> science payload complete with gopro, interval cam, tracker, parashute
[12:40] <G7UXW--Kevin> ok not far out then thanks db_g6gzh
[12:41] <ibanezmatt13> good stuff Maxell
[12:41] <costyn> wheeee
[12:41] <costyn> that was fun
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[12:41] <G7UXW--Kevin> &$STARBUG-1,!12,1200 ,5215p600004.97184,$#x7,47.792,125.19,-20.2,G3*CE74
[12:42] <PE2G> costyn: Congratulations on the successful flight!
[12:43] <db_g6gzh> Enjoyed the live video too.
[12:43] <G4MYS_Andy> No sign of starbug on Tracker ordl-fldigi more info please....
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[12:43] <db_g6gzh> G4MYS_Andy: I've uploaded a few good strings but nothing showing on the tracker.
[12:44] <danielsaul> Should start appearing on the tracker soon - their flight doc was incorrect, we are applying fixes
[12:44] <chrisg7ogx> qsb for starbug here quite weak
[12:44] <danielsaul> Well, DanielRichman is applying fixes
[12:44] <G7UXW--Kevin> G4MYS_Andy: 50/220 7N2 434.650
[12:44] <db_g6gzh> danielsaul: thanks
[12:46] <G4MYS_Andy> many thanks
[12:46] <jose> mfa298: whats a breakout board
[12:46] <PB0NER> Well done habanero team, and helpers, pa3weg, pd2rvk, pb0ahx
[12:46] <chrisg7ogx> habanero
[12:47] <G4MYS_Andy> can you give us dial readout for Starbug please
[12:47] <DanielRichman> STARBUG is on the map. We have no idea what the 4 fields at the end are; they gave us a payload configuration with the wrong number of fields and implausible values for the fields that are there, so I've renamed them all to Unknown
[12:47] <DanielRichman> if anyone knows, that'd be awesome
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[12:47] <chrisg7ogx> habanero decoding but all red
[12:47] <Lunar_LanderU> hello
[12:47] <mfa298> jose: likely to be one of these, http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60 it's a small pcb with the ublox chip and antenna on with connections that are easier to use with a microcontroller
[12:48] <Upu> hablab not up ?
[12:48] <iain_G4SGX> got partial decodes
[12:48] <G7UXW--Kevin> G4MYS_Andy: 434,651.. on my 706
[12:48] <G4MYS_Andy> thank you Andy
[12:48] <DanielRichman> suspect that unknown 2 is bearing, and unknown 4 is some sort of status
[12:48] <jose> mfa298: so if i get the top one will i only need a microcontroller?
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[12:48] <G4MYS_Andy> confirmed just got a few seconds of data
[12:49] <iain_G4SGX> 215 shift?
[12:49] <mfa298> the breakout and microcontroller will give you something that you can read in the gps data, you then need something that allows you to get the gps data when you're on the ground.
[12:49] <mfa298> jose: the ntx2 modules here are the easiest to use http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_63
[12:49] <Upu> wierd signal on Starbug
[12:50] <Upu> getting most of it
[12:50] <PB0NER> I hear star bug..... in the netherlands....
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[12:50] <mfa298> jose: there's also a guide on the wiki for connecting the ntx2 to the arduino.
[12:51] <jose> mfa298: cheers
[12:51] <costyn> pfff... 4039 pictures
[12:52] <number10> its fading quite a lot Upu
[12:52] <Upu> yep
[12:52] <Upu> I take it the other one isn't up ?
[12:52] <number10> not yet
[12:52] <number10> but soonish I suspect
[12:52] <mfa298> jose: you'll also need a suitable radio reciever on the ground to recieve it - you need something that does ssb at 434MHz - The TV tuner SDR radios (usually known as rtlsdr) are the cheapest option although not always the best - if you want to do the same as the other UK people then it's well worth getting a reciever going and trying to track other peoples flights
[12:53] <PB0NER> still very wak starbug signal
[12:54] <jose> mfa298: so how to you get the data from the radio into co-ords
[12:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> what frequencies?
[12:55] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I was offline to work on HF and ATV
[12:55] <PB0NER> 434651.2
[12:55] <bertrik> I think I can see starbug, too weak to decode
[12:55] <GMT> Wouter-[pa3weg]: STARBUG is on 434.650 ish
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[12:55] <G4MYS_Andy> 434.651Mhz getting stuff not full decodes in Southampton
[12:55] <PB0NER> I think you will get it, wouter with your work rig
[12:55] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nothing on the parking deck, i will have to go up to point the yagi[
[12:56] <PB0NER> I get very weak signal
[12:56] <bertrik> I saw $$STARB
[12:56] <mfa298> jose: we encode the data using something called rtty which encodes the data using two radio tones. That's then recieved on a suitable radio, decoded using some software (dl-fldigi) and uploaded to the spacenear.us site
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[12:57] <jose> right okay
[12:57] <mfa298> jose: if you look at spacenear.us/tracker now you should see STARBUG just east of cambridge. That's a balloon that's flying now and a couple of people are recieving it's data and uploading the position data
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[12:58] <jose> yeah im looking
[12:58] <G0TDJ_Steve> Very low signal from STARBUG here in Crayford near Dartford. Not enough to decode. Only just inside footprint.
[12:58] <bertrik> frequency appears to swinging with an interval of just a few seconds
[12:59] <G4MYS_Andy> lastest string in southampton o$$STARBUG =,13,125824.00}520.61703,00022nN229~?342995,83.87,-29.6,G3*;:<}VWG/@="h{6mY15tGX22.8k'<9741.00`<3*8|~y%wK33'|$vBUG-1,175,125900.00,5
[13:00] <PB0NER> over here in the Netherlands: $$STARBuK-.
[13:01] <fsphil> battlestar fan
[13:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> More likely Red Dwarf
[13:01] <PB0NER> vacuum cleaner is generating QRM... I'm off to the shower
[13:02] <fsphil> I mean for STARBuK
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[13:02] <PB0NER> see ya soon
[13:02] <PB0NER> is decoding here, no greens yet
[13:02] <G0TDJ_Steve> fsphil OK
[13:02] <fsphil> hmmm Battlestar vs. Red Dwarf
[13:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> No sigs from STARBUG here now
[13:03] <PB0NER> startbug rogers :-)
[13:03] <fsphil> stlil much too low for me
[13:03] <LazyLeopard> Kinda wobbly, Starbug is.
[13:03] <PB0NER> bidibidibidi
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[13:03] <fsphil> still*
[13:03] <fsphil> hah
[13:03] <fsphil> I remember that show
[13:04] <bertrik> I'm getting a few $$STARBUG strings now, but the signal is fading in and out
[13:05] <PB0NER> yeah pa3weg is decoding
[13:05] <LazyLeopard> Any news on what happened to Horizon ?
[13:05] <number10_M0MDB> someone mentioned caught in a tree LazyLeopard
[13:06] <G4MYS_Andy> ballon went up electronics caught in trees
[13:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> HORIZONs payload got caught in a tree and the balloon seperated and went on . Payoad was recovered. They are discussing a re-launch for next week.
[13:06] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Bad luck :(
[13:08] <chrisg7ogx> starbug1 nearly green in bognor
[13:08] <Maxell> http://local.roysmeding.nl/uv.png science payload plot x-axis is arduino seconds y axis is data
[13:08] <costyn> UV data
[13:08] <Maxell> well get people to crunch the data for us
[13:08] <costyn> still might need some massaging
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[13:10] <costyn> the camera payload stabilization seems to have worked well
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[13:12] <Lunar_LanderU> hi Maxell and costyn
[13:13] <Lunar_LanderU> what about the electrofieldmeter?
[13:13] <costyn> Lunar_LanderU: http://local.roysmeding.nl/v.png
[13:13] <costyn> Lunar_LanderU: this still needs some interpretation
[13:14] <costyn> we'll have to correlate it against it altitude, it's now time
[13:14] <Lunar_LanderU> yeah
[13:14] <Lunar_LanderU> how did it work?
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[13:15] <Lunar_LanderU> i.e. what sort of electrometer was it
[13:15] <Maxell> x-axis is 1/4 second
[13:16] <Maxell> Lunar_LanderU: completly home made not calibrated
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[13:16] <smeding> yo
[13:16] <smeding> i 'designed' the 'science' payload for HABANERO ;-)
[13:17] <smeding> doing some very rudimentary poking at the data now
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[13:19] <costyn> passive stabilization worked verywell
[13:19] <costyn> looking at the video now
[13:19] <smeding> awesome
[13:19] <smeding> let me plot the gyro data ;-)
[13:19] <costyn> very little turning and wobbling
[13:19] <chrisg7ogx> starbug burst?
[13:19] <Lunar_LanderU> cool
[13:19] <Lunar_LanderU> hi smeding
[13:19] <bertrik> freq jump at least
[13:19] <PE2G> Freq jump
[13:20] <Lunar_LanderU> so you had UV, Electro and Geiger as well afaik?
[13:20] <chrisg7ogx> never seen that before
[13:20] <costyn> sick picture: http://imgur.com/XxgPjAM
[13:20] <costyn> Lunar_LanderU: no geiger
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[13:20] <costyn> Lunar_LanderU: but IMU with acc, mag and gyro
[13:20] <Lunar_LanderU> cool
[13:21] <smeding> in the data file is: gps every second, so we can synchronize time
[13:21] <chrisg7ogx> vy nice which balloon?
[13:21] <costyn> chrisg7ogx: hwoyee 1200
[13:21] <chrisg7ogx> tks
[13:22] <Maxell> jarod: wonder why the signal was so strong? I can see you!! http://i.imgur.com/rM6yC1Q.jpg
[13:22] <smeding> then four times per second, two UV sensors, electric field sensor, accelerometer sensor, gyro, magnetometer
[13:22] <smeding> in retrospect we could probably have sampled a lot faster, but i only realized this last night when i didn't want to break shit again ;-)
[13:23] <smeding> well, not again -- sample rate was just a #define at the top, but you never know
[13:23] <chrisg7ogx> is that looking north towards Denmark?
[13:23] <smeding> i have the code if people are curious but it's not really interesting
[13:23] <costyn> chrisg7ogx: yea
[13:23] <PE2G> Maxell: very nice pic.
[13:23] <GMT> closest I've come to a decode on Starbug - $$P@QG-1,254332243.00,5214.510,00044.72563,10L".38.718,1%".03,-35.8&<#.7%
[13:23] <PB0NER> that is the dutch coastline
[13:24] <GMT> looking north towards Amsterdam
[13:24] <Lunar_LanderU> smeding: cool!
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[13:24] <smeding> Maxell: whoa, is that from today's balloon?
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[13:24] <PB0NER> from NL $$STARBUG-1,259,1321400,5214.34950,00045.26598,16615.033,s-BRW103.99,-35.8,G2*1D8F
[13:24] <smeding> Lunar_LanderU: uv sensor is two uv photodiodes, one with a bit of glass (you'd have to ask bertrik about that) so we can infer some stuff about the spectrum
[13:25] <costyn> smeding: yea
[13:25] <smeding> Lunar_LanderU: e-field is some random VHF JFET with two resistors and a bunch of heatshrink
[13:25] <Lunar_LanderU> yes
[13:25] <costyn> smeding: screenshot from video
[13:25] <smeding> costyn: that's pretty amazing
[13:25] <GMT> HABLAB is up
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[13:26] <chrisg7ogx> fantastich! have tobe live next time
[13:26] <GMT> HABLAB is on 434.074
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[13:26] <chrisg7ogx> have pager there
[13:27] <GMT> gonna switch from STARBUG to HABLAB
[13:27] <Relz> do the hab amps make much difference?
[13:28] <PE2G> Starbug almost impossible to decode due to deep fading and weak signal.
[13:28] <g0hww> can't get a decode on hablab, what are the rtty params?
[13:29] <GMT> AFAIK 50/7N2 and 450 shift
[13:30] <GMT> not a strong signal in west London!
[13:31] <Relz> i can't decode it here in essex
[13:31] <GMT> only partials here
[13:31] <bertrik> I get a lot of partial, nearly correct, ones, but haven't gotten a single fully correct one
[13:32] <PB0NER> bertrik same here, 95% ok
[13:32] <chrisg7ogx> relz don't know if it would make any differance with a fcd pro plus it would with ordinary dongle tho
[13:32] <Maxell> PE2G: we have about 12,5 GB of raw video. Needs to get chopped and will be ok then
[13:32] <PE2G> bertrik: The same here
[13:32] <Maxell> smeding: yeah, the gopro vid
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[13:32] <G8KNN> HABLAB visible from my front garden :-)
[13:32] <PE2G> Maxell: Great!
[13:33] <G4MYS_Andy> likewise in Southampton there us a signal but cant grt 100% decode think lig fty conditions are the problem as we had a few weeks ago
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[13:33] <costyn> G8KNN: visible spectrum? :)
[13:33] <Relz> chrisg7ogx: i'm using a fcd pro plus, i have a RTL too, but i've yet to decode a signal off one of these HABs, always getting 95
[13:33] <Relz> 95%
[13:33] <PB0NER> get a pre-amp, or is that with one
[13:34] <chrisg7ogx> do u use usb extending lead?
[13:34] <Relz> yeah
[13:34] <Jess--> Relz: fcd pro+ here, not usually a problem getting decodes
[13:34] <PB0NER> If I had one I would have been decoding right now
[13:34] <Relz> but tried with and without
[13:34] <chrisg7ogx> or straight into pc
[13:34] <Relz> tried both
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[13:35] <number10_M0MDB> costyn: that pole and hook look good
[13:35] <chrisg7ogx> lead picks up loads of PC noise but straight in puts strain on USB plug
[13:35] <Relz> yep
[13:35] <Relz> :(
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[13:36] <costyn> number10_M0MDB: thanks...that's thanks to our rally chase car driver; he thought it'd be a good idea
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[13:36] <Relz> even more so when you have westflex 103 cable
[13:36] <G0TDJ_Steve> STARBUG extremely weak here. No change of decodes. HABLAB not even close to the footprint yet.
[13:36] <chrisg7ogx> thinking maybe into small sweet tin?
[13:36] <chrisg7ogx> same here Steve
[13:37] <RocketBoy> hablab weak?
[13:37] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisg7ogx: Where are you Chris?
[13:37] <number10_M0MDB> its fading a bit RocketBoy
[13:37] <chrisg7ogx> hablab nothing here starbug1 had full decodes but never ever green lol
[13:38] <chrisg7ogx> gods waiting room bognor regis
[13:38] <Relz> are there still launches tomorrow and tuesday?
[13:38] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisg7ogx: LOL :D
[13:39] <chrisg7ogx> have weak hablab i think
[13:39] <number10_M0MDB> Relz: mmonday - if not tuesday
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[13:39] <ibanezmatt13> Anybody know any good software for designing payload boxes?
[13:39] <ibanezmatt13> Not too complicated
[13:39] <number10_M0MDB> pencil and paper ibanezmatt13
[13:40] <ibanezmatt13> tried it number10_M0MDB :)
[13:40] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try again
[13:40] <number10_M0MDB> you just need a few more goes at it ibanezmatt13
[13:40] <PB0NER> why do you need software for that...
[13:40] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I'll get it eventually
[13:40] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, just getting a bit tired of many failing designs. It's ok
[13:41] <chrisg7ogx> hablab partials
[13:41] <PB0NER> ibenezzmatt13, keep trying, and learning from it, that is the path we all have to take
[13:41] <PE2G> chrisg7ogx: Is Hablab better than Starbug?
[13:42] <chrisg7ogx> qrx
[13:42] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, will do
[13:42] <PB0NER> seems like starbug is rotating or something stron/week/strong/week and freq, wholes from left to right
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[13:44] <chrisg7ogx> pe2g starbug thin wavy lines deep regular qsb at times 5/99
[13:45] <g0hww> elevation 86.5 degs
[13:45] <chrisg7ogx> hablab weker but I
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> but less qsb
[13:46] <PE2G> OK , thanks
[13:46] <PE2G> I'll switch to HABLAB when it comes within reach
[13:47] <PB0NER> same here, PE2G
[13:47] <chrisg7ogx> starbug so strong At times suggesting see wirling of antenna?
[13:48] <PE2G> Whirling of the whole sonde?
[13:48] <PB0NER> it seems to me the arial is slightly directional and it is rotating
[13:48] <Jess--> g0hww: no excuse for not getting it while it's circling you
[13:48] <chrisg7ogx> think so.. perfect decodes here but stillRED :-)
[13:48] <g0hww> indeed :)
[13:49] <fsphil> I should be seeing starbug on the waterfall by now. nothing so far
[13:50] <chrisg7ogx> thermals from heat of tarmac/cement?
[13:50] <PB0NER> new chase popped up
[13:50] <Martin_G4FUI> What's the STARBUG transmission format pse?
[13:51] <PB0NER> press auto configure rtty 50/230
[13:51] <PE2G> 242 Hz shift here
[13:51] <PB0NER> i think 7n1, not sure
[13:52] <Martin_G4FUI> Looks like 7N1, tnx!
[13:52] <chrisg7ogx> shall i stay with starbug in case of green decodes??
[13:53] <PB0NER> there are not that many decoders....
[13:53] <chrisg7ogx> i will stay just keep the beer coming and i don't mind the froth!!
[13:54] <G0TDJ_Steve> chrisg7ogx: Which one is stronger with you?
[13:54] <chrisg7ogx> qrx
[13:54] <fsphil> Martin_G4FUI: autoconfigure will take care of all of that
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[13:55] <LazyLeopard> PB0NER: I suspect there are a good many folks trying to get decodes, but neither of the payloads are making decodes easy.
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[13:55] <PB0NER> that is what I meant LazyLeopard
[13:56] <LazyLeopard> Right ;)
[13:56] <chrisg7ogx> hablab quite weak with qsb i think starbug isatad stronger
[13:57] <PB0NER> the 075 is troublesome due to qrm here too
[13:57] <chrisg7ogx> partials from both
[13:59] <Lunar_LanderU> be back later
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[13:59] <PE2G> Starbug is sounding as if its coming down
[13:59] <bertrik> -28.1 m/s
[14:00] <chrisg7ogx> hablab191
[14:01] <PB0NER> eh aotoconfigure says 7n2
[14:01] <G0TDJ_Steve> PE2G: Looks like STARBUGs parachute has deployed
[14:01] <christubbsM6EDF> PB0NER, dl-fldigi skips the extra stop bit I think
[14:02] <chrisg7ogx> hablab s/n 24db but red
[14:02] <PE2G> G0TDJ_Steve: Yes, 21.7 m/s at 22km is looking good
[14:03] <chrisg7ogx> is autoconfigurefor hablab correct?
[14:03] <PB0NER> seems to be
[14:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> PE2G: Shame I'm not closer. I can hardly hear STARBUG No HABLAB at all
[14:03] <chrisg7ogx> green hablab yeehah!
[14:03] <G0TDJ_Steve> Well done chrisg7ogx
[14:04] <PB0NER> I do hear HABLAB,
[14:04] <PB0NER> $$mABLAB,07<14:03:57,52.23110,0.1602.7545,4.87,8,82F0+vJC
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[14:04] <PE2G> chrisg7ogx: Congrats!
[14:04] <PB0NER> so I'm close too
[14:04] <chrisg7ogx> lol now red
[14:05] <G0TDJ_Steve> PB0NER: I'm only on a Diamond X50 and behind a Hill to the North :-)
[14:05] <chrisg7ogx> runtime unmergeable error
[14:05] <PB0NER> I'm on a X5000 all the way on the other side of the both sea
[14:06] <PE2G> Whtat's the current dial for HABLAB?
[14:06] <G0TDJ_Steve> PB0NER: You do well from there.
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[14:06] <chrisg7ogx> notcalibrated here
[14:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.074
[14:07] <PE2G> Thanks
[14:07] <PB0NER> yeah, I'm amazed about what I actually do receive, no pre-amp... IC910
[14:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> PB0NER: Good Icom kit. I'm on an FT-857
[14:08] <G0TDJ_Steve> FYI ISS over UK/Europe in a few minutes
[14:09] <PB0NER> G0TDJ_Steve, yeah, I sold my FT1000MP to get the 910
[14:09] <iain_G4SGX> G0TDJ-Steve.Just bought a 857, how dya find it for HAB?
[14:09] <GMT> can I use FLDIGI on the packet from ISS?
[14:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> iain_G4SGX: Seems OK so far but I'm a real noob. Followed a couple of Dave Ackerman's flights and here today.
[14:09] <G0TDJ_Steve> GMT: I don't think FLDigi does PACKET
[14:10] <PB0NER> antenna/cables/pre-amp is way more important
[14:10] <GMT> hmmm, that's what I thought ... also thought maye FLDIGI knew it by a different name
[14:10] <PD4KDZ_> Maxwell
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[14:11] <PD4KDZ_> Maxell
[14:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> and im back...
[14:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> now inside in the tracking station
[14:11] <PB0NER> major QRM on hablab now here
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[14:11] <G0TDJ_Steve> GMT I think MultiPSK can do it
[14:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I completely missed it: Is Costyn back @ RevSpace?
[14:12] <chrisg7ogx> freq jumpkmm hablab
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[14:13] <G0TDJ_Steve> FYI ISS Footprint just coming into UK
[14:13] <chrisg7ogx> hablab tracker on nexus is cool
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[14:13] <PB0NER> do not know wouter, have not heard.... the recovered everything from some trees
[14:13] <mfa298> GMT: for packet you generally need someing like AGWPE and UI-View or APRSISCE/32
[14:14] <G0TDJ_Steve> THanks mfa298 Not heard of APRSISCE/32 before. I'll look into that one.
[14:15] <GMT> now hearing Packet from ISS
[14:15] <PB0NER> that is on 2m
[14:15] <GMT> 145.825 MHz NFM
[14:15] <PB0NER> yep
[14:15] <Martin_G4FUI> Faint trace in w/f from HABLAB here now
[14:16] <GMT> should be audible in NL at the moment also
[14:16] <PB0NER> it is, but fading
[14:16] <db_g6gzh> GMT: if you're using SDR then gqrx has a built-in packet decoder
[14:16] <GMT> it will get stronger
[14:16] <M0CJM_Neil> I didnt think we were launching till 4pm??
[14:17] <G0TDJ_Steve> Hearing Packets from ISS
[14:17] <PB0NER> am tracking it since habanero landed, heard it all the time, not a single green one due to fading
[14:17] <christubbsM6EDF> starbug seems a lot more stable now
[14:17] <PB0NER> it does, indeed,
[14:18] <M0CJM_Neil> sruggling to RX HABLAB here
[14:18] <bertrik> I think costyn and Maxell are on their way back to revspace, the hague
[14:19] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> OK, They could pass by here if they want to, but I guess its straight to the space
[14:19] <iain_G4SGX> Anyone know if I phase-feed a vertical and horizontal yagi, do I get circular or diagonal polarization?
[14:20] <M0CJM_Neil> Did Starbug Burst??
[14:20] <jdtanner> Afternoon people :)
[14:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> if you have them in the correct orientation and phasing right, you will be circular
[14:20] <db_g6gzh> in-phase = diagonal, 90 deg = circular
[14:20] <bertrik> yes
[14:20] <PB0NER> it is dropping
[14:21] <iain_G4SGX> tnx
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[14:21] <PB0NER> -8.2 m/s
[14:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hablab is fading quite a bit
[14:21] <db_g6gzh> give or take a bit to allow for the radiating elements position on the boom
[14:22] <jdtanner> Quick question (sorry...I know you are all busy). If anyone here had made a Yagi, what did you build the elements out of? I'm looking for a cheapo solution :)
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[14:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> aluminium rods you can buy out of your local metal outlet
[14:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 2 - 4mm thick
[14:23] <iain_G4SGX> Ive used wood booms before
[14:23] <mfa298> I've not done a yagi, but I've made a dipole using 5mm threaded rod and 34mm waste pipe from the local DIY store
[14:23] <mfa298> I've also come accross beams made with a cut up metal tape measure
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[14:24] <jdtanner> I'm planning on it being partly constructed from wood a'la http://makezine.com/projects/homemade-yagi-antenna/
[14:24] <chrisg7ogx_> never seen such up and down signals heat/pollution?
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[14:24] <jdtanner> So...anything metal...as long as it is spaced correcntly...and the right length :)
[14:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> tape measure will work indeed
[14:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> flown it to space, still works ;)
[14:24] <mikestir> I built one the other week using TIG welding rods
[14:25] <mikestir> the 5% magnesium ones
[14:25] <mikestir> boom from 22mm PVC overflow pipe
[14:25] <PB0NER> I stole a very good one, really cheap :-)
[14:25] <jdtanner> Probably not what you want to be telling a Police Officer :P
[14:25] <iain_G4SGX> We ARE an ingenious lot ! lol
[14:25] <mfa298> the challenge tends to be finding a good way to put it together and how to connect the coax to the driven element
[14:26] <chrisg7ogx_> i blame blue peter
[14:26] <jdtanner> Yes, that will be my next challenge...hot glue I think :)
[14:26] <mikestir> 4:1 balun and the clamps from those electrical connectors that you fit to DIN rail
[14:26] <chrisg7ogx_> has anyone found anythimg suitable for the elements in B&Q?
[14:27] <jdtanner> Coathangers?
[14:27] <mikestir> B&Q sells ally rod but it's expensive
[14:27] <christubbsM6EDF> toolstation is cheap for threaded rod
[14:27] <mfa298> With the treaded rod and 34mm waste pipe I've found you can drill a suitable sized hole and screw the rod in (add nuts to secure it and solder the coax to a washer between the nut and pipe)
[14:27] <mikestir> the welding rods were £15 for 1kg, 1m lengths. works out at about 50 ish rods
[14:27] <PB0NER> eh copper 2,5mm wire?
[14:28] <PB0NER> funny : |LABLAB,303,14z1*%#b
[14:28] <SpeedEvil> mikestir: 5kg
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> mikestir: If you mean toolstation
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> At least now
[14:29] <iain_G4SGX> As ong as they got no magnesium in them, hate to see a corona on one of those..
[14:29] <mikestir> I got them from some place on ebay. didn't see any from toolstation. link?
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> mikestir: Oh - steel, oops
[14:29] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx_: the bits I've used for a 2m dipole are B&Q / Wickes - I think B&Q worked out slightly cheaper.
[14:29] <mikestir> got them. they're thinner too. these ones are 3.2mm which are ideal for antennas
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Power+Tools/Welding+Equipment/Arc+Welding+Electrodes+5kg+20mm/d40/sd2666/p26367 I meant
[14:30] <mikestir> the alloy seems to be slightly harder than plain ally as well
[14:30] <chrisg7ogx_> starbug gone here
[14:30] <GMT> jdtanner: I made my 432 yago from a length of wood, elements are old wire coathangars, and some choc-block connectors ... total outlay was approx £4
[14:30] <PE2G> jdtanner: I have good results with this cheap yagi: http://www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html
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[14:31] <jdtanner> <GMT> cheers for that ... probably the way that I'll be going. There are so many ways of connecting the co-ax to the driven element!
[14:31] <chrisg7ogx_> do u use same stuff for driven element as for other elements?
[14:31] <PB0NER> yeah, as long as it is used for reception.... cheap aerials can be made
[14:31] <PE2G> It also works well in the met balloon band.
[14:31] <jdtanner> PE2G: ...that is cheap!!!
[14:32] <GMT> I used same stuff for *all* elements ... wire coat-hangar, clean slightly with a bit of emery paper.
[14:32] <chrisg7ogx_> diana eng has put out some good little vids
[14:32] <GMT> PE2G: ... and I do use it for met balloons too
[14:32] <PE2G> jdtanner: Add postage and packing
[14:33] <GMT> I wanted to make the tape-measure antenna, but I cant get the cross pieces
[14:33] <chrisg7ogx_> gmt that's logical captain
[14:33] <fsphil> HABLAB's in no rush
[14:33] <PB0NER> PE2G, that is a good one...
[14:33] <iain_G4SGX> Can I bring up the old deabte on whether you insulate the directors from the boom? Depends on who you ask apparently .
[14:34] <PB0NER> no you can not
[14:34] <PB0NER> :-(
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[14:34] <chrisg7ogx_> you can brimg it up but on
[14:34] <GMT> that Thiecom ant looks good, I could do with something like that, pitty not available in UK from anyone (or is it?)
[14:34] <chrisg7ogx_> lly if u clear up afterwards
[14:35] <mikestir> http://goo.gl/g2hDt
[14:35] <mikestir> that's the one I made
[14:35] <mikestir> pre-attachment of balun and feeder
[14:35] <GMT> iain_G4SGX: I'm using a wooden boom, insulate (or not) is irrelevant
[14:35] <PB0NER> you need new carpet..
[14:35] <chrisg7ogx_> very posh
[14:35] <jdtanner> cool
[14:36] <PB0NER> I think that guy will ship to the UK
[14:36] <chrisg7ogx_> byeeee
[14:36] <PB0NER> If your german fails..... drop me a message on info@pb0ner.nl
[14:37] <jdtanner> Yep...it has failed. I can't see how much postage would be to the UK
[14:37] <iain_G4SGX> GMT: Indeed, I was thining of ali booms. I'm looking at a quagi,, http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/woverbeck/quagi.htm
[14:37] <iain_G4SGX> Some better and more recent test online.
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[14:38] <GMT> I let Chrome translate it for me, close enough for me to understand
[14:39] <jdtanner> ah....¬14.50 postage
[14:39] <G0TDJ_Steve> GMT I just found this, you might be interested: http://www.n4jtc.com/?p=370
[14:39] <GMT> iain_G4SGX: I would use the same principle ... wooden beam, choc-block connectors, wire coat hangars, probably plastic pipe to support the square sections
[14:41] <iain_G4SGX> Would be good to incorporate some sort of phase switching so it could go from vertical to horizonatal and circular, I'm sure someone probably done this already
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> Wood up to 5m or so is remarkably cheap
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> After that, it gets rather more annoying
[14:41] <GMT> jdtanner: ps: the 'T' part in my nick is the same as yours
[14:41] <PB0NER> to much qrm for hablab her, get 95%-99% decodes
[14:42] <PB0NER> $$HABLAB,358,14:41:41,52.27384,1.29872,13453,4.45,7,82F0*4287 first green one!
[14:42] <Jess--> I have been experimenting, listening to hablab a 1/4 wave whip is outperforming my colinear
[14:42] <jdtanner> GMT: Small world :)
[14:42] <Jess--> both antennas in same location
[14:43] <iain_G4SGX> Co-liners have a vertical null thats much deeper
[14:43] <iain_G4SGX> if its above you
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[14:43] <GMT> jdtanner: when I worked at Heathrow I met somebody with the same surname ... not *that* common
[14:44] <jarod> any balloon still online? :)
[14:44] <jarod> air
[14:44] <Jess--> only about 5 degrees iain_G4SGX
[14:44] <PB0NER> hablab is
[14:44] <Jess--> M0VBR on the map (just west of the wash)
[14:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUbLCnIrUw
[14:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> quick upload of habanero launch
[14:45] <PB0NER> fly over of police helicopter puts up lots of QRM here....
[14:46] <iain_G4SGX> Jess-- Well that's definitely odd then, must be summut else at work.
[14:47] <G0TDJ_Steve> Wouter-[pa3weg]: That was a lovely clean launch
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[14:48] <jarod> hablab is 434.075mhz yes?
[14:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.076
[14:49] <jarod> got nothing, too bad :)
[14:49] <g0hww> 434075.5 low tone
[14:49] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[14:49] <junderwood> Given up. Needed a yagi today
[14:50] <jarod> which to pick in active flight list?
[14:50] <jarod> nm got it
[14:51] <jarod> 434.200 some transformer sounds :)
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[14:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> it was, glad costyn picked that spot
[14:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> fortunately, the wind was OK, only minutes before launch it picked up a bit
[14:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> to quiet down when the balloon was full
[14:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> even the local police applauded on release ;)
[14:53] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/snake-signal.jpg on the left... ??
[14:54] <jarod> 433.925 MHz NFM Europe Ford remote control
[14:54] <jarod> heh
[14:54] <GMT> jarod: you know there is a later release of SDR#?
[14:54] <jarod> it has sucky tuning
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[14:57] <daveake> Recovery pix from yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/M3Jnt4Y.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/8N3lCSx.jpg
[14:59] <G0TDJ_Steve> daveake: Nice one Dave
[15:00] <jdtanner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWJncnhc7Z4 to continue the Yagi talk :)
[15:01] <GMT> daveake: look forward to the write-up on your blog
[15:01] <PB0NER> time for some Coffee!
[15:01] <GMT> Tea here
[15:01] <daveake> I need to recover a bit more myself first!
[15:01] <daveake> Thanks for helping out yesterday GMT
[15:01] <GMT> how late were you out last night
[15:02] <daveake> Sorry but we got stuck on recovering that first payload
[15:02] <daveake> Got home 12:30
[15:02] <PE2G> Unbelievable, I got one green decode from HABLAB.
[15:02] <daveake> For Kingsley, the farmer was (eventually) very helpful
[15:02] <GMT> I was going to wait, but decided to come home when the car park filled-up with doggers!
[15:03] <daveake> LOL
[15:03] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi daveake. Any idea what happened to the signal from Purley as it was very weak down here in Basingstoke
[15:03] <GMT> what happened with the signals; at one point one was excellent and one was pants, then they just disappeared
[15:03] <daveake> Not checked yet. Normal 1/4 wave gp should have been better than the other one, which was 1/4 wave with the gp wire in a circle in the lion's chest
[15:04] <daveake> Drift on the latter was because the lion didn't have much insulation
[15:04] <daveake> The weak one was an rfm22 may have been a dodgy one
[15:04] <daveake> Anyway will do some tests to see
[15:05] <M0CJM_Neil> Cool, Purley was defo very weak though. You say you recovered both ok?
[15:05] <daveake> yup
[15:05] <daveake> In both cases got a clear signal from the nearest road
[15:05] <daveake> Purley was up a tree which made the signal better :)
[15:06] <M0CJM_Neil> Cool. If you ever need an extra pair of hands down ths way please feel free to ask.
[15:06] <daveake> Came down really easily parachute and all
[15:06] <daveake> Cheers
[15:06] <daveake> You have a lot of narrow covered roads there
[15:06] <M0CJM_Neil> NP
[15:06] <daveake> Didn't realise it was possible to drive for 30 mins without seeing a decent road :p
[15:07] <M0CJM_Neil> Where was this? On south downs?
[15:07] <daveake> yup
[15:07] <daveake> between those 2 payloads
[15:07] <daveake> and then coming hom
[15:07] <daveake> e
[15:07] <M0CJM_Neil> lol its 'ampshire countryside for you :-)
[15:07] <daveake> :)
[15:08] <PB0NER> I think I'm done, to much QRM right on the hablab signal
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[15:08] <M0CJM_Neil> HABLAB only just receivable here. No decodes
[15:08] <PB0NER> get nice decodes, one or two bytes wron every time
[15:08] <GMT> same here
[15:09] <PB0NER> the 075 frequency is troublesome here
[15:09] <G4MYS_Andy> yes its not a great channel ! pleanty of bits bi ut no good stream in Southampton
[15:09] <costyn> pics are so cool... can see the entire coast line of the netherlands
[15:09] <G4MYS_Andy> nice for you mate!
[15:09] <PE2G> GMT: Same here, just got my second green decode
[15:09] <M0CJM_Neil> costyn so you recovered ok then?
[15:09] <costyn> also the moon on some pics
[15:09] <costyn> in the dark sky
[15:09] <GMT> PE2G: well, that's 2 more than me!
[15:09] <number10_M0MDB> what size string did you have daveake
[15:10] <number10_M0MDB> nice costyn - will you post the pictures and the data
[15:10] <PB0NER> costyn, yeah one of those did end up here
[15:10] <costyn> number10_M0MDB: yes we will post all that
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> costyn: :)
[15:10] <PB0NER> sorry man, I could not make it this morning, loved to have been there
[15:10] <costyn> M0CJM_Neil: yes, it wwas hanging in a tree, fortunatley we had the right equipment to get it out
[15:10] <G4MYS_Andy> typical of what i get: $$HABLAV471,15:09:5752.21929,?#C;C+B
[15:10] <costyn> PB0NER: no worries
[15:11] <GMT> costyn: did I see on the video that you sent your lady up into the tree?!
[15:11] <PB0NER> oh, no worry's at all costyn, now I was able to receive from just before the launch
[15:11] <RocketBoy> sorry about the fading signal guys - the payload got a whack on takeoff - suspect the radials are bent
[15:11] <costyn> GMT: yep... wel not mine, Rob's
[15:11] <PB0NER> and follow it all the way
[15:12] <PB0NER> that is worth something too
[15:12] <G4MYS_Andy> I am not convinced think lifty band conditions are at least part to blame!
[15:13] <PE2G> PA3WEG is doing rather well on HABLAB. I think he has a Cross-Polarized Yagi
[15:14] <Maxell> PE2G: http://pa3weg.nl/ ;)
[15:15] <costyn> http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#0
[15:15] <costyn> some pics
[15:15] <G0TDJ_Steve> GMT I have the UZ7HO soundmodem running, I'm just waiting for ISS again to test decodes.
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[15:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hi Costyn
[15:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> sorry, I was AFK for some phone calls & stuff
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[15:17] <PB0NER_> I can seeeee my house from here!
[15:17] <G4MYS_Andy> The Hepburn tropo forcast shows Lifty conditions over England and Wales it wont help!
[15:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> sweeeeeet
[15:17] <G4MYS_Andy> so where are these photos then?
[15:18] <PB0NER_> http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#2 fotolink
[15:18] <costyn> PB0NER: well if you live on the west side of the netherlands you can see your house from there
[15:18] <PE2G> costyn: Truly nice pitures
[15:18] <G4MYS_Andy> thanks
[15:18] <M0CJM_Neil> costyn Nice pictures
[15:18] <PB0NER_> costyn : lol
[15:18] <costyn> PB0NER: the range was incredible.. you can see Texel, but also parts of Belgium under Zeeland
[15:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUbLCnIrUw
[15:19] <PB0NER_> Have doen some skydiving on Texel, on one day (yeas I have really good eyes due to laser treatment) I could see a church clock in Alkmaar
[15:19] <costyn> PB0NER_: cool
[15:20] <PB0NER_> and that was from 13500ft
[15:20] <PB0NER_> (little over 4km)
[15:20] <Martin_G4FUI> PB0NER, great pics!
[15:20] <PB0NER_> they are not mine
[15:20] <Martin_G4FUI> Still great pics, whoever ...
[15:21] <costyn> Martin_G4FUI: we have around 4000 pictures. looking for nice ones :)
[15:21] <PB0NER_> have a search on youtube for mmoeling and see Texel frum 4km up (check the graduate jump - > level 7)
[15:21] <costyn> Martin_G4FUI: took a pic every 5 secs
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[15:21] <Martin_G4FUI> Hacked Canon, or some other cam?
[15:21] <PB0NER_> gopro
[15:22] <Martin_G4FUI> We live on a beautiful planet!
[15:22] <PB0NER_> hablab is really stron here
[15:22] <costyn> we had both a GoPro for vidoe and a Canon a480 for stills with CHDK
[15:22] <Martin_G4FUI> Everything worked I presume?
[15:23] <PB0NER_> and there are so many even more beautiful planets out there!
[15:23] <Martin_G4FUI> :)
[15:23] <Martin_G4FUI> We might get the chance to mess them up, one day ...
[15:23] <PB0NER_> as we did this one... no thanks
[15:24] <Martin_G4FUI> No argument there, PB0NER
[15:24] <PB0NER_> by then, I will not be around to take the blame for it .....
[15:25] <Martin_G4FUI> Sooo close to a green string from HABLAB
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[15:27] <M0CJM_Neil> The best I can do.......... $$H@BAB536,1506:11,0.21859$1.43<56"869,4.3,1082F07
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[15:27] <Martin_G4FUI> The fading rate is such that it seems to affect one or two characters in virtually every string with me
[15:27] <G4MYS_Andy> me too Dont think Ive ever been soooo Patient!
[15:27] <Martin_G4FUI> It's a teaser!
[15:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> has anyone ever considered FEC for this?
[15:28] <G4MYS_Andy> I agree Martin ner ver mind there is always another day!
[15:28] <PB0NER_> amazing how many variations of hablab I've seen today , HAMLAB (which is funny in Dutch), HABHAB, LABLAB, LABHAB BABLA BABBBB etc...
[15:28] <PE2G> Just got my third green one :)
[15:28] <PB0NER_> DHALBI
[15:28] <Martin_G4FUI> I've seen FEC discussions on here before
[15:28] <number10_M0MDB> Wouter-[pa3weg]: I think fsphil has used it for ssdv
[15:28] <G4MYS_Andy> sort of think whats wrong with this: $$$$HABLAB,542(15:27:41,52.22113,1.43047,22210,4.33,10,82F0*2F98
[15:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> FEC is in the SSDV protocol
[15:29] <Martin_G4FUI> Bracket!
[15:29] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but not for telemetry
[15:29] <PB0NER_> bracket should be ,
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[15:29] <G4MYS_Andy> one lousey bracket and I lose it!!!
[15:29] <Martin_G4FUI> Just like Lotto!
[15:29] <PB0NER_> yep, I have that for hours now, 99,9% decodes
[15:29] <Martin_G4FUI> One lousy number out
[15:29] <Martin_G4FUI> For £10 !
[15:29] <PB0NER_> one character wron every time
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[15:30] <PB0NER_> yeah, or 10.000.000.000
[15:30] <G4MYS_Andy> much high does one have I to put the aerial -10,000ft?
[15:30] <PB0NER_> just one wrong....
[15:31] <PB0NER_> G4MG4MYS_Andy, what do you mean by that? looks like google translate text...lol
[15:31] <Martin_G4FUI> Rate of climb is creeping up
[15:31] <G4MYS_Andy> mind you there is nothing not a flea on the S meter so it aint strong by any means
[15:32] <Martin_G4FUI> Yay! green one!
[15:32] <PB0NER_> _s$$$$HABLAB,556,15:31:25,52.2060,1.41548,2301,4.34,9,82F0*6DD4 $$$$ABLAB,558,15:31840,52.22007,1.41428,23071,4.33,9,82B0*63DA $$$$HABLAB,559,15:31:55,52.21960,1.41305,23126,4.33,9,82F0*288 $$$$IB,560,15:3,10,52.21933,1.411}1,23185,4.32,9,82B0*17A o$$$$HABLAB,561,15:32:21,52.21946,1.40980,2324,R>33,9,82F0*A0H4
[15:33] <Martin_G4FUI> Made it onto the leaderboard, briefly ...
[15:33] <PB0NER_> you see....
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[15:34] <PB0NER_> radio is very nice and stable though
[15:34] <Martin_G4FUI> Agreed PB0NER
[15:35] <Martin_G4FUI> It's just the QSB
[15:35] <PB0NER_> If starbug would have been that stable...
[15:35] <M0CJM_Neil> My goodness I am inside the green circumference and still barely audible
[15:35] <PB0NER_> I think somebody is using WFM or ATV on 70cm
[15:36] <christubbsM6EDF> PB0NER, repeater?
[15:36] <christubbsM6EDF> Mine CW ID's right over the top of 434.650
[15:37] <PB0NER_> overhere, I do not get It, HAM operators here tx WFM stereo..... TXing music on 70cm, Illegal and kinda stupid
[15:37] <PB0NER_> hristubbsM6EDF, that is a negative on the repeaters
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[15:38] <PB0NER_> they put out a lot of power and do not even know what they are doing to primary users
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[15:42] <PB0NER_> hristubbsM6EDF youll be amazed what I see on the waterfall here, someting is putting out data every 30s I do hear that on 2m, 70cm so something is wrong with the filtering, suppose it is a el cheapo weather station or something
[15:43] <PB0NER_> by the way, most of the decoding errors are in the colons....
[15:44] <G0TDJ_Steve> FYI ISS over the UK in around 5mins. Going to try and decode APRS packets this time.
[15:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Repeaters in PA are on 430 - 431 Megs with +1.6 shift
[15:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> so no problems with those
[15:44] <G4MYS_Andy> its likely not to have filtering! yes well temp sensors electic meter transmitters car alarms & etc all burble away but at least you can get 'em back later with
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[15:45] <Martin_G4FUI> I think the p/l is spinning, causing at least some of the QSB
[15:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I´d rather accept meter TXes to be on 70cm somewhere than the PowerLine shit on HF
[15:46] <Martin_G4FUI> Turning the AGC off in HDSR has been quite a revalation
[15:46] <PB0NER_> luckily someone using powerline stuff here cannot use it when I am on HF, and I do not hear him... lol
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[15:47] <Martin_G4FUI> HDSDR, sorry!
[15:48] <PB0NER_> yeah AGC seems to look for the stongest signal or so... and that is not what you want in this case
[15:49] <Martin_G4FUI> You can hear the QSB rate speed up slow down stop speed up, etc ...
[15:50] <jcoxon> is hablab spinning
[15:50] <jcoxon> ?
[15:51] <GMT> just hearing packet from ISS
[15:51] <jcoxon> cylical signal fading
[15:51] <number10_M0MDB> has been like that since launch jcoxon - bashed the radials
[15:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> burst?
[15:51] <PB0NER_> does not sound like it is spinning to me.... but I might be wrong, nice continuous signal here
[15:52] <PB0NER> ow... logged in two times...
[15:52] <PB0NER_> weird, where did that come from
[15:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nope, still going up...
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[15:54] <jcoxon> number10_M0MDB, struggling with decodes
[15:55] <jcoxon> oh well
[15:55] <number10_M0MDB> me too - I think a couple of the radials are bent and fades when spins
[15:56] <number10_M0MDB> I cant decode it with the watson, nut manage to for some reason with a 1/4 wave
[15:56] <RocketBoy> probably
[15:56] <number10_M0MDB> nut == but
[15:56] <RocketBoy> coming up on burst shortly - may be interresting
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[15:57] <GMT> well, if I can't get it on ascent I won't get it on descent
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[16:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 30km
[16:01] <RocketBoy> well over predicted burst
[16:02] <RocketBoy> could e it
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[16:02] <daveake> rate slowing about to go
[16:02] <RocketBoy> yea
[16:03] <daveake> hmmm
[16:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> burst
[16:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yup
[16:03] <Upu> yep
[16:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> going down
[16:03] <daveake> that's weird
[16:03] <Upu> whats the antenna ?
[16:03] <iain_G4SGX> slowly.
[16:03] <RocketBoy> not really
[16:03] <Upu> actually no sorry bad line
[16:04] <Upu> thats floating
[16:04] <iain_G4SGX> or v slow descent
[16:04] <daveake> yup
[16:04] <Upu> or leaking
[16:04] <Laurence1> wtf
[16:04] <PB0NER> does not seem to drop fast enough
[16:04] <Upu> leak
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[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:04] <Laurence1> thats one weird transition
[16:04] <Upu> what balloon is it ?
[16:04] <daveake> quite a high descent rate for float
[16:04] <PB0NER> hablab
[16:04] <daveake> I think he means make/size
[16:04] <PB0NER> -6 now that is better
[16:05] <Upu> you're looking a starbug PB0NER
[16:05] <daveake> Yup HABLAB is -2
[16:05] <Upu> I suspect thats a leak
[16:05] <PB0NER> yeah , I was just finding out
[16:05] <iain_G4SGX> gonna take a long time to get down at this rate! lol
[16:06] <RocketBoy> not quite as desired
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[16:06] <Upu> what balloon is it RocketBoy ?
[16:06] <RocketBoy> 2 x 300g
[16:06] <Upu> oh
[16:06] <Upu> one burst then ?
[16:06] <RocketBoy> yep
[16:07] <Upu> this is going to be interesting :)
[16:07] <RocketBoy> yeajh
[16:07] <Upu> I'll go amend prediction
[16:07] <daveake> aaaaah
[16:07] <iain_G4SGX> Gonna be interesting.
[16:08] <daveake> now it makes sense :)
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[16:08] <daveake> got a boat? :p
[16:08] <mfa298> are those H or He ?
[16:08] <Upu> shame the signal is rubbish
[16:09] <Upu> oh yeah
[16:09] <Upu> you need a boat
[16:09] <Upu> I know one actually
[16:09] <G4MYS_Andy> my I finally got a green one !!!!!
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:12] <G4MYS_Andy> Got my 2nd green one ! wow!!!
[16:12] <PB0NER> yeah, green one here too
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[16:13] <G4MYS_Andy> in the drink??!!
[16:14] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... HABLAB's aiming for a wet landing...
[16:15] <PB0NER> and another green one
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[16:15] <RocketBoy> descent rate slowing down
[16:16] <G4MYS_Andy> I assume no auto disconnect to bring payload down over land?
[16:16] <daveake> Don't think I've seen a float approached like this before :)
[16:17] <Upu> oh wierd just started decoding
[16:17] <PB0NER> amazingly it is being decoded much better, get more and more green ones
[16:18] <Upu> same here
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[16:18] <ibanezmatt13> ping daveake
[16:18] <G4MYS_Andy> got an idea, some of the la,p posts arereal high, perhaps a remote aerial on one of them?
[16:18] <PB0NER> yeah, we are with 3 guys from Holland, woks well now... green after green
[16:19] <RocketBoy> perhaps the aliens straightened out the antenna
[16:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I got green ones earlier, but agreed, cheating
[16:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> with the yagi´s @ work
[16:20] <M0CJM_Neil> Just got my first green :-)
[16:20] <mfa298> could it have become more stable now it doesn't seem to be moving vertically much.
[16:20] <PB0NER> RocketBoy, I'm not even on a yagi
[16:21] <Laurence1> this is very odd behaviour
[16:21] <PB0NER> whoah... going up again
[16:21] <PB0NER> slowly
[16:21] <mfa298> on the plus side, floating at that altitude should bring it in land more.
[16:22] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats what i hoped
[16:22] <iain_G4SGX> yep its floating
[16:22] <craag> oh WOW!
[16:22] <mfa298> could take it a while to come down though now.
[16:22] <G4MYS_Andy> 4th green one my how things improve
[16:22] <craag> At least it's going inland..
[16:22] <RocketBoy> :-(
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[16:23] <mfa298> RocketBoy: is it H2 or He in these ?
[16:24] <PB0NER> He
[16:24] <PB0NER> H2 is kangaroes
[16:24] <PB0NER> eh dangarous
[16:24] <PB0NER> ask Hindenburg....
[16:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hahaha, auto correct?
[16:25] <PB0NER> no on purpose
[16:25] <fsphil> PB0NER: that burned because of the frame, not the gas
[16:25] <RocketBoy> He
[16:25] <LeoBodnar> gangrenous
[16:25] <fsphil> and the flammable paint iirc
[16:25] <mfa298> PB0NER: H2 is generally safe when treated sensibly as long as the balloon doesn't come down still inflated
[16:25] <PB0NER> yeah, but it really went off due to the gas
[16:25] <fsphil> it was basically a giant flammable blimp
[16:25] <GMT> ... and the engineer smoking
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[16:25] <Upu> its also got more life, expands less, is a replenisable resource and finally its cheap
[16:26] <Upu> life ? lift
[16:26] <PB0NER> Problem is we are getting out of He
[16:26] <fsphil> and it doesn't diffuse through the latex as quickly as He
[16:26] <GMT> where do they get He from?
[16:26] <RocketBoy> yeah - i was more worried about the coming down inflated on this flight
[16:26] <PB0NER> yeah , one solar pane, a bucket of water, and some time....
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[16:27] <jcoxon> valve on hablab?
[16:27] <Upu> 2 balloons one burst one didn't
[16:27] <Upu> interesting way to get a float
[16:27] <jcoxon> oh wow
[16:27] <Upu> unsure if it was on purpose ? :)
[16:27] <jcoxon> and accounted for the dead weight?
[16:28] Action: Upu points at RocketBoy
[16:28] <jcoxon> perhaps cutaway?
[16:28] <jcoxon> cause you just don't know how much balloon would be left
[16:28] <jcoxon> it could be 1.6kg or 0.1kg
[16:28] <Upu> like Smarties only Steve knows the answer
[16:28] <SpeedEvil> Also, I note that most of the passengers on the hindenberg survived.
[16:28] <RocketBoy> it was on purpose
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> Most of the passengers on todays safe craft die on crashes at landing
[16:29] <RocketBoy> well i hoped it would work
[16:29] <Upu> it did
[16:29] <jcoxon> how does it work RocketBoy ?
[16:29] <PB0NER> yeah, but they broke their neck on landing...
[16:29] <daveake> 2 balloons ftw this weekend :p
[16:29] <Upu> overfilled one under filled the other ?
[16:30] <RocketBoy> well there is a bit of calculation involved
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[16:30] <jcoxon> is the burst balloon still attached?
[16:30] <RocketBoy> but basically - you aim for 0 ascent rate when one bursts
[16:30] <PB0NER> and due to qrm a decimal point went wrong :-)
[16:30] <fsphil> what's with all the weak signals this weekend?
[16:31] <RocketBoy> you need quite a bit of payload weight to get a reasonable ascent rate prior to burst
[16:31] <jcoxon> very impressed
[16:31] <RocketBoy> it was very slow ascent - which is why the atenna got hit on launcj
[16:32] <jcoxon> so the floating balloon isn't necessarily underpressure
[16:32] <fsphil> ah
[16:32] <fsphil> that explains that
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[16:32] <fsphil> he's full of surprises
[16:32] <jcoxon> so it should last longer then the super-pressuring latex balloons
[16:32] <jcoxon> fsphil, he is quite celver
[16:33] <jcoxon> clever*
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[16:34] <RocketBoy> seems to settle into a float from the high side - which is what i guess might happen
[16:34] <G4MYS_Andy> surprised no ones tried it before so congrats mate
[16:34] <jarod> got a signal on 434.076
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> awesome :)
[16:34] <jarod> but its a fixed tone, not a balloon i guess?
[16:34] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, so how much burst balloon do you predict is there?
[16:34] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, can I interject a short question about balloon ordering?
[16:35] <G4MYS_Andy> jarod my rx is on 434.076192 so try and decode it!
[16:35] <RocketBoy> not sure - not alot
[16:36] <jarod> G4MYS_Andy with dl fldigi ?
[16:36] <fsphil> that is very cool
[16:36] <RocketBoy> otherwise it would be coming down or would have settled into a lower float
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[16:36] <jarod> what mode?
[16:36] <G4MYS_Andy> yes then set up on auto set the box next to the numbers to RTTYR
[16:37] <jarod> ?
[16:37] <G4MYS_Andy> usb on the radio and RTTYR on the VDU display
[16:37] <jarod> VDU?
[16:38] <mfa298> jarod: in sdr# it will be usb - similar to the flight earlier - most flights using spacenear.us work in a similar way
[16:38] <G4MYS_Andy> VDU old fashioned TLA for monitor
[16:38] <jarod> i see one center carrier on 434.076
[16:38] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, what sort of battery life to you predict?
[16:38] <jarod> not rtty, correct?
[16:38] <G4MYS_Andy> Radio must be on U S B
[16:38] <jarod> YES I HAVE THAT
[16:39] <jarod> but... DL-fldigi ?
[16:39] <RocketBoy> batteries should be good for 36hours
[16:39] <G4MYS_Andy> and the mode on dl fldigi is RTTYR
[16:39] <jarod> i have that done
[16:39] <jarod> but its still too wide
[16:39] <mfa298> in dl-fldigi just select the flight name and select autoconfigure - that should set most of the right settings for you.
[16:39] <jarod> what is andy's flight name?
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[16:39] <G4MYS_Andy> be patient youmay well get decodes this ones been a bit of a pig!
[16:40] <jarod> i get no "two" rtty streams
[16:40] <jarod> just one carrier
[16:40] <PB0NER> some other signal just popped up ~900hz above hablab
[16:40] <RocketBoy> i should have stiffed it with batteries - i had to add 250g of ballast to make the nos work
[16:41] <G4MYS_Andy> Flight to XABEN52: HABLAB
[16:41] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: I'm not sure that box in dl-fldigi will make any difference to decoding - the numbers to the side of it and the dropdown menu are for rig control if you've got that setup (although it's not something I've ever changed to see what happens)
[16:41] <jarod> RTTY: http://x264.nl/dump/habanero-434.250mhz-2013-06-30-0939utc.jpg
[16:41] <jarod> two "streams"
[16:41] <G4MYS_Andy> thosenumbers for me sit on 00000 its thre box to the right of this needs to be set to RTTYR
[16:42] <G4MYS_Andy> Correct the USB using the up down arrow to RTTYR
[16:43] <PD4KDZ_> PB0NER Remotecontrolled cars and planes use 434.075 too
[16:44] <G4MYS_Andy> from what I can see you have a good signal just need to reset to RTTYR
[16:44] <mfa298> jarod: if you're not seeing the two tones of the rtty on the waterfall you might not be quite tuned in or the signal might just be a bit too weak
[16:44] <PB0NER> Not that I'm aware of, either 27,35 or 40Mhz or 2,4Ghz
[16:44] <jarod> ok
[16:44] <G4MYS_Andy> then let us know how you get on!
[16:45] <PB0NER> if my signal is not disturbed by that local telemetry I get green ones
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[16:46] <PB0NER> PD4KDZ_, PD4KDZ are you logged in twice?
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[16:46] <PB0NER> shift is widening here...
[16:47] <PD4KDZ_> yee your right ...
[16:47] <G4MYS_Andy> At this arte it will come down in Irish sea not the north sea!
[16:47] <PB0NER> PD4KDZ_ I had the same thing, wondering where the _ suddenly came from
[16:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> right, I´m going home....will leave tracking setup on
[16:49] <PD4KDZ_> bye ...seey @430.350
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[16:50] <G4MYS_Andy> Do we have an ETA for the landing?
[16:51] <jarod> some make some 10KW balloons :)
[16:51] <PB0NER> PD4KDZ_, yeah see ya @PHGL
[16:52] <G4MYS_Andy> Jarod are you not getting green decodes?
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[16:52] <jarod> not getting any rtty signals, too bad ;)
[16:52] <PB0NER> it is getting louder overhere
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[16:52] <mfa298> G4MYS_Andy: as it's floating it could take a while. It could drop over night but may not reach land (in which case it could continue tomorrow)
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[16:53] <PD4KDZ_> Jarod try to zoom till you see both lines
[16:53] <G4MYS_Andy> thanks thats interesting Ill stay up as not at work tommorrow!
[16:53] <G4MYS_Andy> Jarad stick with it, radio conditions are odd today...
[16:54] <PE2G> Very deep, slow fading
[16:55] <PB0NER> not here, it is getting louder....
[16:57] <PB0NER> lol.... it says HALAL here....
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[17:00] <Adam012> Hi all, how did Steve's launch go?
[17:00] <mfa298> one is still going
[17:00] <PB0NER> and which balloon would that have been?
[17:00] <PD4KDZ_> jarod
[17:00] <Adam012> What altitudes did they hit?
[17:01] <PD4KDZ_> do you rec a signal @ 434.074?
[17:01] <iain_G4SGX> Bit of a twist
[17:01] <iain_G4SGX> ones floating
[17:01] <GMT> HABLAB now floating at about 30km
[17:01] <Martin_G4FUI> HABLAB seems to have more trackers in this descent phase
[17:01] <PB0NER> HABLAB is still floating very close to 30km, it went just over it, but you can see that on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[17:02] <PB0NER> hablab is not really decennia
[17:02] <PB0NER> decenia, autocorrect decending
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[17:02] <GMT> auto-correct strikes again!
[17:02] <M0CJM_Neil> I am getting green decodes
[17:02] <eroomde> supagreen
[17:02] <Adam012> Steve was a bit vague about why he was flying, has anything more been mentioned?
[17:02] <PB0NER> the kangarous thingy was on purpose
[17:03] <PB0NER> but this was indeed autocorrect
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[17:03] <eroomde> Adam012: steve often does paid stuff for customers so isn't always at liberty to talk about exactly what's flying
[17:03] <eroomde> not unusual for business stuff
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[17:04] <PB0NER> I need a 5kW pre am now....
[17:04] <PE2G> In the past half hour, HABLAB"s speed was ~39 km/h, tracking 272 deg
[17:04] <mfa298> although this time it looks like HABLAB was a new experiment - a new way of trying to get a balloon to stay up rather than the normal up, burst, down flight
[17:04] <PB0NER> hrdly any signal left
[17:04] <PE2G> No trace here
[17:04] <eroomde> mfa298: not new
[17:05] <PE2G> Er, coming back slightly...
[17:05] <jcoxon> mfa298, more very difficult to actually pull off
[17:05] <mfa298> eroomde: well floating isn't new but this approach seemed to be new at least for latex
[17:05] <eroomde> no
[17:06] <PB0NER> still decoding... but it is having a hard time, do not think I will get green ones again.... bu maybe it will move east again...
[17:06] <Adam012> Ah. Okay. We're still a bit bruised from Verizon's non starter this morning. We thought we had emptied the tank but they gave us the wrong adaptor and it had a pinch valve which strangled the flow and cut it off as the pressure dropped during filling.
[17:06] <eroomde> assuming it was 2 balloons and i've not been misinformed
[17:06] <PB0NER> suddenly getting much louder
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[17:06] <Adam012> Verizon = Horizon
[17:06] <PB0NER> pb0ahx-Herman, Hi!
[17:06] <mfa298> eroomde: two ballons from what Steve said earlier
[17:07] <pb0ahx-Herman> hai Martijn and all
[17:07] <eroomde> ied, we used that technique a couple of times a few years ago
[17:07] <eroomde> indeed*
[17:07] <mfa298> I know there have been pico floats with two balloons when one burst (although often more float by accident) but I didn't think anyone had done latex like that
[17:08] <eroomde> one highly filled, one just neutral, cut away the lifting one at the right alt
[17:08] <PB0NER> The one with the raspberry Pi didt float very week by design
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[17:08] <PB0NER> week=well
[17:08] <jcoxon> eroomde, i think the difference is that he hasn't cut it away
[17:08] <jcoxon> he took into account the dead weight of the burst balloon
[17:08] <eroomde> oh right - how's it stopped?
[17:08] <eroomde> ah right fine
[17:08] <eroomde> yes
[17:09] <eroomde> same idea
[17:09] <PB0NER> yeah another green decode
[17:09] <eroomde> just letting it burst
[17:09] <eroomde> mfa298: http://vimeo.com/3803248
[17:09] <eroomde> that was to test a star tracker
[17:09] <eroomde> to give it some floating loitering time
[17:09] <mfa298> sounds like there was a bit more maths involved this way
[17:09] <eroomde> the problem is CUSF did a lot in the first 2-3 years but it all seems to have predated the collective ukhas memory
[17:10] <jcoxon> eroomde, that was back when things were a bit hush hush
[17:11] <eroomde> we were never that hush hush :)
[17:12] <eroomde> well not intentionally
[17:12] <ibanezmatt13> I'm now thinking of having the link from my battery pack to my switching reg run outside of the payload box. I'd have a wire from the batteries outside and a wire coming from the regulator outside. I could then connect these two outside of the box at the launch site and tape them well to the side of the box. It has been recomended that I use JST connectors but I'm not sure how these would connect to my battery
[17:12] <ibanezmatt13> pack and switcing reg...
[17:12] <jcoxon> eroomde, i was doing a clear out of stuff and found my peristaltic pump experiments
[17:13] <PB0NER> ibanezmatt13 tape can come loose......
[17:13] <eroomde> oh nice
[17:13] <eroomde> i remember that
[17:13] <christubbsM6EDF> ibanezmatt13, http://bit.ly/19KH7IK one end battery one end reg
[17:13] <jcoxon> i also found hte gps from pegasus 1
[17:14] <eroomde> and the phone?
[17:14] <jcoxon> nah
[17:14] <PB0NER> yeah have a whole bunch of those connectors here, you can get them from the modelling shop
[17:14] <number10_M0MDB> you need a hab musem
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[17:14] <number10_M0MDB> +u
[17:14] <ibanezmatt13> christubbsM6EDF, thanks! PB0NER any idea of a better way to secure it onto the side of the box?
[17:15] <WILLdude> Hellow.
[17:15] <WILLdude> *hello
[17:15] <PB0NER> hot glue?
[17:15] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi WILLdude
[17:15] <ibanezmatt13> At the launch site?
[17:15] <eroomde> ibanezmatt13: i'd always use a proper connector
[17:15] <eroomde> you can get 'inline' connectors
[17:15] <eroomde> which are designed to mate wire-to-wire
[17:16] <PB0NER> oh, you want to use it as a 'switch'
[17:16] <ibanezmatt13> kind of yes
[17:16] <ibanezmatt13> so I can activate the power supply out of the box so I can keep it glued before the launch
[17:16] <WILLdude> Is there somewhere I can download all sentences from all flights?
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[17:17] <PB0NER> I assume your box is foam... make a hole, stick it in the hole, cover that by tape (proper tape) and go at least around the box, say 1,5 times
[17:17] <christubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, I think you can using couchDB. But I would have no idea where to start
[17:17] <mfa298> +1 for a proper connector - you can always add tape as an additional precaution but use something that would be ok without tape
[17:18] <PB0NER> I thought you where gonna use the tape to keep the wires together...
[17:18] <christubbsM6EDF> You can download them on a per flight basis from habitat
[17:18] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, what do you mean by put it in the hole?
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[17:18] <mfa298> WILLdude: you can export sentences from each flight on a per flight basis on habitat
[17:18] <PB0NER> after you connected them, stick them in a hole in the foam
[17:18] <ibanezmatt13> that's a good idea
[17:18] <WILLdude> what if I want to access all flight sentences?
[17:19] <mfa298> WILLdude: for what purpose ?
[17:19] <WILLdude> For the lolz
[17:19] <PB0NER> and put tape around, even if the tape falls of, if you make the hole small enough, the connector wil stick in that
[17:19] <christubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, theres about 750k lines in the dtabase
[17:20] <mfa298> you'de probably want to do it per flight anyway as the fields won't be the same between different flights
[17:20] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, So if I connect them, wrap the connection in some tape several times, then put that inside the small hole in the bottom of the box, that'll be ok?
[17:20] Nick change: Vuusli -> Proshot
[17:20] <PB0NER> why use tape around the connector.... ?
[17:20] <ibanezmatt13> so it won't come off
[17:21] <ibanezmatt13> extra security
[17:21] <WILLdude> PB0NER: Nice callsign,
[17:21] <PB0NER> they do not come loose easily, I use them on vibrating helicopters.... no problemo
[17:21] <PB0NER> WILLdude, thanks
[17:21] <mfa298> the only real use of the tape is likely to make your mind happier about it.
[17:21] <WILLdude> Is it purposefully meant to sound rude?
[17:22] <ibanezmatt13> So if after I connected it I put it back into the box, and say that area of the box had a fair bit of space in it for it to move around, would it be ok moving around like that?
[17:22] <PB0NER> indeed, just cover the hole and go around the box
[17:22] <PB0NER> with tape to waterproof a bit
[17:22] <ibanezmatt13> wait, around the box?
[17:23] <ibanezmatt13> I thought I was just gonna connect it then shove the whole thing back inside the box completely and seal the hole?
[17:23] <ibanezmatt13> is that what you mean?
[17:23] <PB0NER> If you need access to it quickly...
[17:23] <christubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, do you really want this?
[17:24] <christubbsM6EDF> becuase i figured out how
[17:24] <Maxell> a few good decodes frm hablab hehe
[17:24] <Maxell> going strong now
[17:24] <ibanezmatt13> So you think I should have the connector itself stay out side the box for the whole flight, not put it back inside? PB0NER
[17:25] <ibanezmatt13> when I say connector I mean the wire from the batteries to the regulator
[17:25] <PB0NER> for some rason... just close the whole box, leaving those two connectors out. connect them..... and before launch stick it in a hole in the foam, covering the whole with some duct tape or so
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> this is an amazing flight
[17:25] <Lunar_Lander> who flies HABLAB?
[17:25] <WILLdude> christubbsM6EDF: Go on.
[17:26] <pb0ahx-Herman> a few good decodes now here from hablab its like to go working now
[17:26] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: steve
[17:26] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, that means that I don't have any connections outside the box for launch, correct?
[17:26] <PB0NER> <WILLdude> Is it purposefully meant to sound rude? -> eh yeas
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[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:26] <PB0NER> ibanezmatt13>, YES!!! :-)
[17:26] <ibanezmatt13> excellent
[17:26] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[17:27] <ibanezmatt13> confused me when you said " and go around the box"
[17:27] <PB0NER> remove tape in one go, yank out the connector and disconnect if needed (like the baloon is in a tree and you want to save battery live...
[17:27] <ibanezmatt13> realised that was tape now
[17:27] <ibanezmatt13> yeah that sounds ok
[17:28] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[17:28] <ibanezmatt13> So as for these wires: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/C9007-Male-Female-JST-Plug-Red-Battery-Connector-Cable-20AWG-10cm-Wire-/330690446528#vi-content correct ones and long enough?
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[17:29] <PB0NER> depens on current and size of box... you know that..
[17:29] <ibanezmatt13> yes I do, sorry. I'll have a look
[17:29] <PB0NER> I do not need ebay for those :-) still have 25+ of each left....
[17:30] <G4MYS_Andy> approsching where it came from, shotgun anyone?
[17:30] <PB0NER> green decodes again....
[17:30] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, where do you get them from?
[17:30] <eroomde> G4MYS_Andy: would need quite a shotgun
[17:30] <G4MYS_Andy> yep really big one!!
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[17:31] <PB0NER> haha, you can look me op on the map... but I'm in Pijnacker, the Netherlans (PAXXXX - PIXXXXX) are Dutch HAM callsigns
[17:31] <PB0NER> that is very close to Rotterdam
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[17:32] <ibanezmatt13> not ideal :)
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[17:32] <PB0NER> amaizingly I get green decodes, one after one
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[17:32] <PB0NER> Dave, Welcome back
[17:32] <eroomde> nice atmospheric conditions
[17:32] <pb0ahx-Herman> me to Martijn
[17:32] <ibanezmatt13> evening daveake
[17:32] <G4MYS_Andy> It tock a long time But I too am getting lots of greens but no S meter levels
[17:33] <fsphil> signal is still just a ghost on the waterfall here
[17:33] <PB0NER> pb0ahx-Herman I think atmospheric conditions have improved drmatically over the pas 15 minutes
[17:33] <pb0ahx-Herman> martijn but i am not on the map strange
[17:34] <daveake> eve all
[17:34] <fsphil> yoyo
[17:34] <PB0NER> when you started fl-digi for the forst time you need to put in your LON/LAT .... to make that work
[17:34] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, I've decided that I'm gonna use those wires to bring the connector out of the box. Once connected I'm gonna tape it up for extra security and shove it back into a hole in the box which I will seal well.
[17:34] <daveake> ok cool
[17:34] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, has been most kind :)
[17:34] <PB0NER> in the correct format like 52.123456
[17:34] <pb0ahx-Herman> i have it done martijn
[17:35] <eroomde> pb0ahx-Herman: has fldigi been on and running for 15 minutes or so?
[17:35] <eroomde> and is it set to be online?
[17:35] <PB0NER> the right format seems to be important, decimal degrees
[17:35] <pb0ahx-Herman> i wat field i must do that
[17:35] <PB0NER> I did struggle with that too
[17:35] <pb0ahx-Herman> i go look
[17:35] <PB0NER> MEnu 'DL Client'
[17:36] <PE2G> pb0ahx-Herman: DL Client > Configure > Location > Enter your coordinates and Altitude
[17:36] <PB0NER> next 'Configure' in that menu
[17:36] <pb0ahx-Herman> i dont know that numbers
[17:36] <PB0NER> eDL client tab, from the new window that opens
[17:37] <PB0NER> then you see a location tab..... Stationairy listener
[17:37] <PE2G> pb0ahx-Herman: http://www.mcaviglia.ch/gmap/get_coor_ext.asp
[17:37] <pb0ahx-Herman> yes i see
[17:38] <PB0NER> where i have 52.015338 and 4.436711
[17:38] <PB0NER> (for the right format)
[17:39] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, I can't find the specs for these wires but I'm sure they'll handle the current unless you know of any that can definitely handle the current
[17:39] <PB0NER> your coords seem to be 52.0236574, 4.3561276
[17:40] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/C9007-Male-Female-JST-Plug-Red-Battery-Connector-Cable-20AWG-10cm-Wire-/330690446528#vi-content
[17:40] <christubbsM6EDF> Did anyone just get 3 short cross band bursts about 1s apart then on hablab?
[17:40] <PB0NER> they will be aka-right... I do not think your will go above 2A
[17:40] <ibanezmatt13> are those definitely what I need then?
[17:40] <G4MYS_Andy> freq is full of QRM could be anything!
[17:40] <M0CJM_Neil> christubbsM6EDF I have had then this afternoon but not recently
[17:40] <PB0NER> Herman, you will need to upload a green package first, before your location will show on the map
[17:41] <pb0ahx-Herman> ok don now
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[17:41] <pb0ahx-Herman> yesssss i am on the map now
[17:42] <eroomde> it's sort of like a secret handshake
[17:42] <eroomde> non-obvious but doesn't take too long to get past
[17:42] <christubbsM6EDF> M0CJM_Neil, seems to be all the way accross 70cms, would love to know where its coming from so I can shoot it
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[17:42] <PB0NER> yeah I see Pb0ahx on the map now, correct position
[17:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> aaaaaaaaand I´m home
[17:43] <M0CJM_Neil> christubbsM6EDF Its made me jump a few times to be honest. It blasts its way across the band
[17:43] <pb0ahx-Herman> Hoi wouter now the program working very well
[17:43] <eroomde> christubbsM6EDF: maybe a repeater
[17:43] <pb0ahx-Herman> i am also on the map now
[17:43] <eroomde> we should kick up a big fuss
[17:44] <M0CJM_Neil> Looking for pb0ahx-Herman on my map
[17:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> very good Herman
[17:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I think I did stirr something by putting that reference in electron
[17:45] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> more dutchies now
[17:45] <PB0NER> yeah, helped him out correcting it
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[17:45] <pb0ahx-Herman> lot of green lines now
[17:45] <christubbsM6EDF> :O
[17:46] <christubbsM6EDF> Jus had a phone call from GERMANY saying someone has found CHEAPO3
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Woo!
[17:46] <fsphil> haha!
[17:46] <christubbsM6EDF> off the island of borkum
[17:46] <fsphil> das ist gut!
[17:46] <PB0NER> relatively there are a lot of Dutch guys helping ya out decoding....
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> Where did you last track it?
[17:46] <GMT> excellent!
[17:46] <daveake> excellent :)
[17:46] <daveake> How is Lunar then?
[17:46] <fsphil> oh oh was it Lunar_Lander?
[17:46] <daveake> hah :)
[17:46] <christubbsM6EDF> landed slap bang in the middle of the north sea
[17:46] <G4MYS_Andy> I note we no longer have a predicted landing site, is it to obscure to predict?
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> christubbsM6EDF: Oh - this was a floater?
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:47] <christubbsM6EDF> Nope didnt float in the end but wet quite ar
[17:47] <christubbsM6EDF> far
[17:47] <fsphil> daveake: falling lions and nobody made a Lion King reference. I'm disappointed with myself
[17:47] <daveake> :)
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:47] <daveake> It's a Reading FC mascot ...
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> christubbsM6EDF, AWESOME
[17:48] <daveake> ... so the obvious joke is "what goes up must come down"
[17:48] <fsphil> lol
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> the tagline of mclane
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:48] <daveake> (re their exit from the premier league)
[17:48] <fsphil> football references make a sort of wooshing sound around me
[17:48] <eroomde> the horizontal velocity feature in the mobile tracker is super useful
[17:48] <eroomde> worth porting to the main tracker
[17:48] <daveake> Someone should fly a polar bear ... "First it's up then it's down - bi-polar bear!"
[17:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> bwhahahaha
[17:49] <G4MYS_Andy> t this rate if my maths are good it will take 14 hours to come down?
[17:49] <PB0NER> yeahhh and what goes down...... not always comes back up again...ask Donitz
[17:49] <daveake> eroomde Yeah I always include that in the telemetry but the tracker could do it
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> I'm waking up
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> I'm feeling it in my soul
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> RADIOACTIVE
[17:49] <daveake> you been drinking LL ?
[17:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:49] <eroomde> very useful for giving you an intuition
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> no, just listening to that song :P
[17:50] <daveake> and bearing
[17:50] <fsphil> at this rate it'll be tomorrow before I can decode anything
[17:50] <PB0NER> Mountain Dew.... looks like radioactive piss....
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> I like how Amazon writes that the disturbances in the song are not an MP3 error but intentional by the band
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[17:50] <fsphil> like a disturbance in the force?
[17:51] <pb0ahx-Herman> Wouter can u collect for me the pictures and film from today svp if it is posible
[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> no like static and so on
[17:51] <fsphil> ah
[17:51] <daveake> eddies in the space-time continuum
[17:51] <fsphil> is he now
[17:51] <eroomde> i'm sitting here in a chair
[17:51] <daveake> good choice
[17:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, costyn will probably collecting all the stuff
[17:52] <fsphil> so that's where I'm going wrong
[17:52] <PB0NER> (psss do not tell anyone.... but there is a bu in space-time)
[17:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> that´s my guess
[17:52] <eroomde> debating going back to oxford tonight or tomorrow straight to work
[17:52] <PB0NER> bu=bug
[17:52] <PE2G> christubbsM6EDF: Was CHEAPO3 your flight on June 14?
[17:52] <PB0NER> and that bug is me! haha
[17:52] <fsphil> you already told us that tomorrow PB0NER
[17:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> FUNcube meeting in 10 minutes
[17:52] <christubbsM6EDF> PE2G, yeah
[17:52] <GMT> the thing about the space-time continuum is that you get feedback and causality loops and repeating events
[17:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> so I will pop out of the chat
[17:53] <PB0NER> fssphil, ROFL
[17:53] <M0CJM_Neil> Is it falling now?
[17:53] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I´ll try to keep decoding
[17:53] <fsphil> not sure you can call that falling
[17:53] <pb0ahx-Herman> i go now out off the chat and go local talking 73 all good luck
[17:53] <eroomde> with style
[17:53] <PB0NER> It is comeming back east
[17:53] <PB0NER> or it sort of stopped
[17:54] <M0CJM_Neil> well, just noticed change in audio tones, and its drifting upwards in frequency
[17:54] <fsphil> hah yea, it's over the launch site
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[17:54] <PE2G> christubbsM6EDF: So it floated after all (on the sea :)
[17:55] <PB0NER> it never really went over the water
[17:55] <christubbsM6EDF> PE2G, Yes! longest ever float? (16 days)
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[17:56] <PE2G> christubbsM6EDF: Will the finder send it back to you?
[17:56] Action: fsphil is mildly amused there is a placed called Lolworth
[17:56] <fsphil> it's where all the Lolcats live
[17:57] <GMT> wtf is a lolcat?
[17:57] <Laurence1> dude
[17:57] <PB0NER> a cat laughing out loud?
[17:57] <M0CJM_Neil> Ever get the feeling we could be here a long time....
[17:57] <Laurence1> how long have you been on the internets
[17:58] <GMT> since 1992
[17:58] <PB0NER> well I use just one of them...
[17:58] <christubbsM6EDF> PE2G, I told her not to worry as the tracker was pretty much disposable, but was very greatful for the call to find out where it ended up?
[17:58] <PB0NER> since 1988
[17:58] <Laurence1> http://icanhas.cheezburger.com/
[17:58] <PB0NER> UUCP dial up to the US for mail and News....
[17:59] <G4MYS_Andy> yep well past midnight!
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[17:59] <eroomde> GMT: as you're beginning to realise (probably), you've seriously missed out
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[18:00] <GMT> Im not sure if 'missed out' is the right word!
[18:00] <SpeedEvil> christubbsM6EDF: Diddn't it have a camera?
[18:00] <PE2G> christubbsM6EDF:Yes, of course. Nice that she called.
[18:00] <PB0NER> signal strength dropped dramatically
[18:00] <M0CJM_Neil> it currently works out at 12 hours till it touches down
[18:01] <christubbsM6EDF> SpeedEvil, nope! http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/?p=305
[18:01] <christubbsM6EDF> Will update that later, time for tea :)
[18:01] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[18:01] <G4MYS_Andy> Im OK got water on tap, music plays on the radio and so far Im stil Awake!
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[18:02] <PB0NER> ping ibanezmatt13 & Upu
[18:02] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, :)
[18:02] <PB0NER> just to wake Upu up another ping....
[18:02] <ibanezmatt13> ah thanks
[18:03] <ibanezmatt13> is he online?
[18:03] <PB0NER> he's still on the list to the right
[18:03] <WILLdude> Urgh
[18:03] <WILLdude> Internet is too slow to load google.
[18:04] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: http://imgur.com/a/Jnktr#0
[18:04] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude who you using for internet?
[18:04] <PB0NER> yeah and it is to small to upload my brain
[18:04] <WILLdude> TalkTalk.
[18:04] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: just uploading images now, and sorting through them
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[18:04] <M0CJM_Neil> I have BT, 15MB on adsl2+
[18:05] <WILLdude> M0CJM_Neil: You're lucky you're close to the exchange.
[18:05] <M0CJM_Neil> opps Mb
[18:05] <PB0NER> 45up 5 down vdsl2
[18:05] <M0CJM_Neil> your not much further!
[18:05] <WILLdude> Can I get that here.?
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[18:05] <PB0NER> eh up/down reversed
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[18:05] <M0CJM_Neil> use the bt website and speed tester
[18:06] <WILLdude> It won't load, how ironic.
[18:06] <WILLdude> Did you hear about the fibre optic coming to basingstoke?
[18:06] <PB0NER> here in NL they are rolling out fiber really fast....
[18:07] <PB0NER> but just not in this damn sinkhole
[18:08] <M0CJM_Neil> Last Result:
[18:08] <M0CJM_Neil> Download Speed: 13656 kbps (1707 KB/sec ) Upload Speed: 681 kbps (85.1 KB/sec
[18:08] <M0CJM_Neil> Its in basingstoke already
[18:08] <M0CJM_Neil> mate near tech college has it, 75Mb download
[18:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> @Costyn, sweet!
[18:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> now in FUNcube skype meeting
[18:10] <WILLdude> Seriosuly though, it can't even load the BT homepage, and it's struggling with SSH
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[18:10] <M0CJM_Neil> u need to check on bt
[18:11] <PB0NER> Greet Funcube team
[18:11] <PB0NER> back to solid red decodes
[18:12] <PB0NER> green one!
[18:12] <M0CJM_Neil> i cant check for u without postcode and house number sorry
[18:13] <ibanezmatt13> So I can apply for permission to the CAA to launch pretty much anywhere? Do I not have to consider the flight path or anything like that?
[18:13] <M0CJM_Neil> Green decode :-)
[18:13] <LeoBodnar> Anybody knows what flags are on HABLAB?
[18:13] <PE2G> HABLAB's speed was 42 km/h, heading 268 deg, in the past hour.
[18:14] <PB0NER> I am green on 315.1km... PE2G you do better?
[18:14] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[18:14] <PE2G> 463 km
[18:14] <M0CJM_Neil> 133km here :-(
[18:15] <PB0NER> hABLAB ---- funny error
[18:15] <SpeedEvil> ibanezmatt13you can apply. You may not get permission in some places.
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[18:16] <LeoBodnar> fleeting visit
[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not sure which places to consider up here
[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> I need Upu. He knows of some places to launch up here
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[18:16] <M0CJM_Neil> <<<< Might just go to bed and leave radio on and pc decoding :-)
[18:17] <PE2G> http://s11.postimg.org/jaadm5mdv/Screen946.jpg
[18:17] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/C9007-Male-Female-JST-Plug-Red-Battery-Connector-Cable-20AWG-10cm-Wire-/330690446528#vi-content I may be looking at this wrong PB0NER but do I need two of these?
[18:18] <M0CJM_Neil> how do i upload an image?
[18:18] <PE2G> M0CJM_Neil: Go here: http://postimage.org/
[18:19] <Babs_> Evening all - just logged on - is HABLAB floating?
[18:20] <M0TVU> evening all
[18:20] <M0CJM_Neil> Evening
[18:20] <PE2G> Babs_: Evening, yes, it's on 434.075
[18:20] <Babs_> is it deliberately floating ?
[18:21] <G4MYS_Andy> sort of its losing 0.6M / second
[18:21] <Babs_> thanks peg2
[18:21] <G4MYS_Andy> yep
[18:21] <Babs_> *pe2g
[18:21] <fsphil> sort of slow fall atm
[18:22] <Babs_> is that it just getting cold or a non-Lewis Hamilton esque slow puncture?
[18:22] <fsphil> signal is getting very slightly stronger here ,,, $$$HAJLAB
[18:22] <M0CJM_Neil> where are you fsphil?
[18:22] <fsphil> unknown .. possibly just wind
[18:22] <fsphil> M0CJM_Neil: n.ireland
[18:23] <M0CJM_Neil> and your decoding? Wow, struggling her ein southern uk
[18:23] <Babs_> fsphil - just in case you are interested, found this the other day https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/paula-agnus-denise-best-amiga/id637283921
[18:23] <fsphil> well not fully, just getting the odd partial string
[18:23] <Babs_> its got the xenon II remix. quality.
[18:23] <PB0NER> ibenezmatt13, if you scroll down you'll see Male & Female JST Connector Plug 10cm long end to end (2 wires = 1 black & 1 red) 20AWG
[18:24] <fsphil> ah nice one Babs_
[18:24] <ibanezmatt13> PB0NER, got it, thanks
[18:24] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[18:25] <mfa298> WILLdude: slow internet could also be due to programs people are running on another machine. P2P software can be very good at killing an assl connection if its badly configured
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[18:26] <ibanezmatt13> ping Upu
[18:26] <PB0NER> me=off4meal
[18:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Getting regular green solid decodes now
[18:27] <JFS1> Does anyone have any photos/advice or web link about connecting an NTX2 to an antenna?
[18:27] <Upu> hey ibanezmatt13
[18:27] <fsphil> if I had the yagi up I could probably get this
[18:27] <Babs_> WILLdude - did you get your avrdude issue out of the way?
[18:28] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, recently you were talking about places to launch up here. Where were they?
[18:28] <Upu> well my parents back yard in Bradford I think
[18:29] <Babs_> JFS1 - here http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8626446162/in/set-72157632733154985
[18:29] <Upu> but we have permission to launch from a local school
[18:29] <Babs_> and here http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8626445558/in/set-72157632733154985
[18:29] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, How can I choose a good place to apply for permission from the CAA? I want something up here but nothing that is likely to be rejected
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[18:30] <Babs_> and here (if you need some antenna construction photos) http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8666240576/in/set-72157632733154985
[18:30] <Babs_> albeit I would go for 4 radials if you have space
[18:30] <Upu> well you can make some preliminary enquiries with David Miller
[18:30] <Upu> give him a location
[18:30] <ibanezmatt13> never heard of him. CAA I guess?
[18:30] <Upu> ask if its likely to get permission if you apply
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[18:31] <JFS1> Cheers Babs_
[18:31] <ibanezmatt13> how do I contact him?
[18:31] <Upu> school playing fields are good
[18:31] <Upu> tbh you'll get more opportuinity to launch from Cambs
[18:31] <GMT> so long at they are not surrounded by trees!
[18:32] <Babs_> ibanezmatt13 - at the CAA
[18:32] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, I probably will do it from Cambridge. Will there definitely be people there to help out, on a weekend? Me and my Dad on our own won't make good progress
[18:32] <Upu> yep
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[18:32] <Upu> sure there will be people about to help
[18:32] <ibanezmatt13> when do I need to apply for launch permission from Cambs then?
[18:32] <Upu> you don't you need ask CUSF or Steve Randall nicely
[18:33] <ibanezmatt13> how long in advance?
[18:33] <Upu> I'd get a working payload first
[18:34] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I will do. Just wondered if it was more than a month
[18:34] <M0TVU> HABLAB's in and out like an in and out thing here at the moment
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[18:35] <M0TVU> STRONG again now
[18:36] <GMT> suddenly I'm getting full green decodes!
[18:36] <Maxell> yesyes very strong again
[18:37] Action: Maxell likes this
[18:38] <M0CJM_Neil> Is the chase car trying to keep up with it?
[18:39] <fsphil> $$HaBMAB
[18:40] <M0CJM_Neil> $$$$HABLAB,1310,18:39:38,52.25703,-0.43337,27323,4.49,9,82D0*4F19
[18:40] <fsphil> if it keeps this up I should be decoding in an hour
[18:40] <fsphil> maybe a bit less
[18:40] <G4MYS_Andy> the theory is as it drops it could go east so he could just be in the correct place?
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[18:40] <fsphil> it'll turn east if it drops below 19km
[18:41] <PE2G> What's the expected battery endurance?
[18:41] <M0CJM_Neil> completely lost signnal now
[18:42] <G4MYS_Andy> M0CJM whwere R U?
[18:42] <M0CJM_Neil> Basingstoke, well just outside to the west
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> Bad antenna at least improves battery life
[18:44] <LeoBodnar> Warmer inside
[18:44] <fsphil> RocketBoy: you need an antenna made of a spring
[18:45] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, I have one of those battery connectors on my battery pack with two wires coming off it and I need to join those two wires together some how. Which is more reliable to fuse the wires together, I scotch lock, or just solder?
[18:45] <daveake> solder
[18:45] <M0CJM_Neil> ibanezmatt13 NEVER Scotchlock!!
[18:45] Action: ibanezmatt13 tells his Dad off
[18:45] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[18:46] <M0CJM_Neil> Horrid things, product of the devil!
[18:46] <LeoBodnar> crimping is new solder
[18:46] <G4MYS_Andy> Solder with heatshink over the top!
[18:46] <Maxell> Damn, missed the 1337'd packet
[18:47] <fsphil> hehe
[18:47] <daveake> There are many good ways of joining wires, and scotchlock isn't one of them
[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> daveake, shall I only glue the box together the day before. I will need to do a test, then change the batteries, then put the new batteries in the night before
[18:47] <fsphil> PABLAB, HAJLAB, BABLAB .. everything but HABLAB
[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> solder it is then
[18:47] <Maxell> And it's strong again :P
[18:47] <fsphil> LABLAB
[18:47] <G4MYS_Andy> proper leaded solder too not this new rubbish
[18:47] <daveake> yup
[18:47] <LazyLeopard> HACKAB
[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> always leaded solder :) Although it didn't stay on my battery terminals well
[18:48] <M0CJM_Neil> Maxell... $$$$HABLAB,1337,1$$$$HABLAB,1337,18:46:23,52.25057,-0.50905,26982,4.51,11,82D0*66E
[18:48] <GMT> yup, when you sniff the solder smoke it makes your eyes water
[18:48] <G4MYS_Andy> does not do your lungs any good either so avoid inhaling it
[18:48] <Maxell> M0CJM_Neil: \o/
[18:49] <M0CJM_Neil> <<< has pidgeons in his garden trying to mate .... looks for air rifle!
[18:49] <GMT> didn't do me any harm! or my invisible friend
[18:49] <Maxell> Hmm, looks like it's drifting up
[18:49] <G4MYS_Andy> wash hands after use its got lead in it!!! PS we generally die of something by the way so I am told.
[18:49] <Martin_G4FUI> Death and taxes, the two certainties of life ...
[18:50] <ibanezmatt13> lead posioning...
[18:50] <GMT> Not me! I plan to live forever ... so far, so good.
[18:50] <Martin_G4FUI> lol
[18:51] <G4MYS_Andy> I know but we now work under extractor syatem with mico filters on board to keep the air clean
[18:51] <M0CJM_Neil> Maxell Just had to retune to bring it into the passband
[18:51] <LeoBodnar> Somebody found that Pb levels in food are correlated with crime rates
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[18:51] <G4MYS_Andy> Confirmed had to retune up a bit
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[18:53] <M0CJM_Neil> Well another half hour and it will be in Northampton
[18:54] <M0CJM_Neil> <<< needs a cuppa, back in 5
[18:54] <PB0NER> yeah, 've got green ones again....
[18:54] <PB0NER> 344km
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[18:56] <Martin_G4FUI> M0CJM_Neil, White no sugar, pse :)
[18:56] <Maxell> PB0NER: im also pulling some decodes
[18:56] <Maxell> heh
[18:56] <PB0NER> remember i have no pre-amp...
[18:57] <PB0NER> no yagi....
[18:57] <PB0NER> long coax
[18:57] <qyx_> no radio
[18:57] <x-f> :)
[18:57] <G4MYS_Andy> no radio? could be a problem
[18:57] <PB0NER> no baloon....
[18:57] <PE2G> PB0NER: Is your antenna high on the roof?
[18:58] <PB0NER> sure
[18:58] <Maxell> PB0NER: I have no yagi, do have Upu's preamp. HABLAB,1379,18:56:52,52.25915,-0.58917,26316,4.51,12,82D0*8A08
[18:58] <Maxell> werks
[18:58] <PB0NER> what I have is set-up well
[18:58] <PE2G> PB0NER: how many meters above ground?
[18:59] <PB0NER> ground.... how much below sea level....
[18:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> reminder to self: shove pre-amp board in martijns mailbox
[18:59] <PB0NER> not really sure how that all adds up
[19:00] <PB0NER> the X5000 is free all around, no high trees and stuff, it is say 15 meters up
[19:00] <WILLdude> dave
[19:00] <PB0NER> reminder to self: get mailbox
[19:00] <PE2G> PB0NER: That's a nice height
[19:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ;)
[19:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ok, shove board up his ...whatever
[19:01] <WILLdude> My internet connection is so slow.
[19:01] <Maxell> Is there some kind of height map, lemme check OpenStreetMap
[19:02] <SpeedEvil> OSM does not in general have heights.
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[19:04] <mfa298> WILLdude: could someone in the house be running something to make it go slow. P2P software especially can make adsl slow
[19:05] <PE2G> Maxell: http://www.freemaptools.com/elevation-finder.htm
[19:06] <WILLdude> I am seeding a few torrents.
[19:06] <mfa298> WILLdude: that could be making thing slow. ADSL isn't good at upload
[19:06] <SpeedEvil> That'll do it.
[19:06] <LeoBodnar> Sounds unpleasant
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[19:06] <SpeedEvil> You need to throttle your upload to 80% ops of your upload speed.
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Or it delays your return packets, and makes connections slow down exponentially.
[19:07] <mfa298> and remember upload speed is normaly bits per second (at layer 1), most apps report bytes per second for data throughput.
[19:07] <SpeedEvil> Quite
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> Also, sync speed may nto be the same as your capped speed
[19:08] <Maxell> PE2G: I found some tool that said 1.1 meters. Thats not worthwhile :P
[19:08] <PB0NER> who is on 1.1 m
[19:09] <Maxell> -1.1 meters right
[19:10] <Maxell> including the two layer builing it's on top of?
[19:10] <Maxell> and the metal pipe :P
[19:10] <WILLdude> mfa298: Don't think so, stopped it and it's no gbetter.
[19:10] <christubbsM6EDF> Wow hablab is still floating! What balloon is it on?
[19:10] <WILLdude> Is calling it broadband intentionally ironic?
[19:11] <mfa298> WILLdude: have you totally quit the torrent program
[19:11] <WILLdude> Yes
[19:12] <PE2G> christubbsM6EDF: Two 300g balloons, one of which burst
[19:12] <mfa298> If you've been torrenting it could also be that your ISP has rate limited you - I'm not sure what all ISPs do these days
[19:12] <christubbsM6EDF> Interesting
[19:12] Nick change: christubbsM6EDF -> chrisstubbsM6EDF
[19:13] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Only just noticed I missed an S
[19:13] <PB0NER> torrent peers still send traffic after you close for couple of minutes, your ip is known....
[19:13] <WILLdude> mfa298: That's retarded.
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> Check there are not other stations logged onto your wifi
[19:14] <WILLdude> There won't be, and I can't easily.
[19:15] <mfa298> WILLdude: it makes sense for the ISPs bandwidth costs a lot of money so it has to be shared, different ISPs have done different things at different times. Mostly now they have a cap so once you've used so much bandwidth they either charge you more or reduce your speed
[19:16] <WILLdude> I'm sure ours said we ahd unlimited data.
[19:17] <jcoxon> so hablab is travelling roughly at 40km/hr
[19:17] <LeoBodnar> CK2
[19:17] <mfa298> always check the fair usage policy, there was a time ISPs liked hiding interesting terms in there
[19:17] <WILLdude> daveake: How much was your antenna setup?
[19:17] <LeoBodnar> Read fine print WILLdude
[19:17] <jcoxon> which means 6.5 hrs to the welsh coast
[19:18] <daveake> fsphil you need to stay up tonight :)
[19:18] <WILLdude> LeoBodnar: It's not for me to read.
[19:18] <daveake> WILLdude, £70 mast £36 aerial £25 cable/plugs, roughly
[19:19] <WILLdude> Wow.
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[19:19] <WILLdude> That's a lot.
[19:19] <jcoxon> and 93hrs to newfoundland
[19:19] <WILLdude> How big is your mast?
[19:19] <G4MYS_Andy> needscoax to decent stuff not RG58
[19:19] <mfa298> that's fairly cheap the way antenna settups can go!
[19:19] <G4MYS_Andy> agreed
[19:19] <daveake> yup
[19:19] <WILLdude> Anyone in/near hampshire want to tx on a given freq so I can test equipment?
[19:19] <Jess--> around about 1 hour 45 mins till it changes direction again (based on current rate of descent)
[19:20] <jcoxon> Jess--, good point
[19:20] <jcoxon> WILLdude, the balloon is quite a good test
[19:20] <G4MYS_Andy> scrounge two scaffold poles alley ones not steel, get new coax RG213 or RG214!
[19:20] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> And if it keeps going for it only 4.375 days until it hits the states
[19:20] <G4MYS_Andy> water proof the aerial connection OR ELSE!
[19:20] <Jess--> I have direction change pegged at around 18250m
[19:21] <WILLdude> That's miles away.
[19:21] <Jess--> only needs to drop just over 7000 (and it was dropping 0.9m/s when I worked it out)
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[19:24] <jcoxon> will be very interesting to find out what happens at sunset
[19:25] <G4MYS_Andy> Are yes but just what time is sunset when your up at 30,000M ?
[19:26] <jcoxon> its about 30mins later
[19:26] <WILLdude> Anyone in/near hampshire want to tx on a given freq so I can test equipment?
[19:26] <jcoxon> WILLdude, honestly the balloon is high enough to be heard across the whole of Englnad
[19:27] <jcoxon> england*
[19:27] <Upu> WILLdude go hang that antenna out of a window
[19:27] <G4MYS_Andy> Will Southampton do you
[19:27] <PB0NER> and the netherlands
[19:27] <jcoxon> even on just a correctly measured piece of wire
[19:27] <WILLdude> Upu: doing so.
[19:27] <jcoxon> as in 16cm
[19:27] <WILLdude> It's not correctly measured.
[19:28] <PB0NER> what kind of aerial is on the balloon, anybody?
[19:29] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> PB0NER 1/4 ground plane I expect
[19:30] <G4MYS_Andy> I could out a long CQ TEST on 434.075 if you like?!
[19:30] <WILLdude> What's your QTH?
[19:30] <G4MYS_Andy> Southampton
[19:30] <Chetic> how do I know if my styrofoam box is just the right amount of airtight for 30km altitude?
[19:30] <WILLdude> G4MYS_Andy: Do it on 434.08 as not to distrupt the tracking.
[19:30] <WILLdude> FM-N?
[19:31] <G4MYS_Andy> OK give me a few sec Ill QSY 434.080 FM
[19:31] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Chetic, Chances are your box will not be air tight, you mainly want to insulate against wind blowing on the transmitter and keep the worst of the cold out
[19:32] <WILLdude> Anyone know of a cheapish tribander?
[19:33] <Chetic> chrisstubbsM6EDF: so I can basically just tape it shut pretty tight?
[19:33] <Chetic> I was going to use duct tape
[19:33] <PB0NER> which 3 bands
[19:34] <G4MYS_Andy> go to EBAY and feed in WX1 look for a shop in CORNWALL the are the cheapest
[19:34] <GMT> mmmm ... duct tape! It's like "The Force" ... it has a dark side and a light side, and it binds things together.
[19:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Chetic, yeah duct tape around the seams is a fair idea
[19:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> and try to avoid gaping holes in the box
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[19:37] <GMT> a few more green decodes
[19:38] <Chetic> but will I need to leave intentional smaller holes?
[19:39] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Chetic, are you going to be flying a camera?
[19:40] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> having the tracker in enclosed section within the box may help minimize temperature drift
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[19:40] <Chetic> yes, chrisstubbsM6EDF
[19:41] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Ok well yes you will need quite a large hole for the camera lens, so sections may help
[19:41] <WILLdude> G4MYS_Andy: Looks like they've been discontinued.
[19:41] <Chetic> hm
[19:42] <G4MYS_Andy> whos been disconnected?
[19:43] <WILLdude> Ooh
[19:43] <WILLdude> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Watson-W-627-6m-2m-70cm-Triband-Mobile-VHF-UHF-Antenna-/130794808829?hash=item1e73fa65fd
[19:43] <WILLdude> WX1
[19:43] <jcoxon> Jess--, i think we should add a little to the descent timing
[19:43] <WILLdude> oh where you not talking to me?
[19:43] <PB0NER> discontinued.... not disconnected
[19:44] <Jess--> errrm... looks more like ascent again ;) jcoxon
[19:44] <WILLdude> How does that look ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Watson-W-627-6m-2m-70cm-Triband-Mobile-VHF-UHF-Antenna-/130794808829?hash=item1e73fa65fd
[19:45] <G4MYS_Andy> Unless you want a mobile aerial this is not what is wanted, your after a "white stick" dual band aerial, look up Nevada Radio youll see them! and where are you?
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[19:45] <WILLdude> What are the main differences between whips and colinears?
[19:46] <WILLdude> Gain is similar to the w-50
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[19:48] <LazyLeopard> A whip is likely designed to be on a car, and use the car body as its groundplane. The colinear is likely designed to be stuck on a pole up in the air, and will have its own radials to be its ground plane.
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[19:48] <G4MYS_Andy> whip has no ground plane and you need that! or the VSWR and the resonance wont match the aerial resulting in loss of gain, yes there are Groundless whips but they have less gain, beware tere are two types of gain quoted Db & DBI DBI is a lie its 3 db downon db and is used to give a higher figgute of gain to con you!
[19:48] <Jess--> getting fading on hablab, about every 9 seconds (or just enough to mess up each sentance)
[19:48] <mattbrejza> what happened to hablab? underfilled, or just a howyee?
[19:49] <G4MYS_Andy> GOING UP ?
[19:50] <G4MYS_Andy> 3rd floor for jumpers
[19:50] <GMT> mattbrejza: HABLAB was a double ballon with one designed to burst at 30k causing a float
[19:50] <mattbrejza> oh right
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[20:01] <GMT> HABLAB now heading for Birmingham, perhaps its going to say hello to Horizon
[20:02] <M0CJM_Neil> Opps sorry about that, walked indoors to make a cuppa and new series of top gear started
[20:03] <mfa298> M0CJM_Neil: it has a habit of doing that
[20:04] <M0CJM_Neil> Just catching up on the posts in this room, is what HABLAB doing expected?
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[20:06] <WILLdude> M0JCM_Neil: Mind trying to tx again?
[20:06] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude OK, frequency?
[20:07] <WILLdude> 145.05 FM-N.
[20:07] <M0CJM_Neil> 145.05?
[20:07] <WILLdude> Wait no.
[20:07] <WILLdude> IDK
[20:07] <WILLdude> You choose :)
[20:08] <M0CJM_Neil> 145.550
[20:08] <WILLdude> OK. Go ahead.
[20:08] <M0CJM_Neil> ok
[20:09] <WILLdude> Heard, just about.
[20:09] Action: M6KZT can hear that fine.. s6
[20:09] <M0CJM_Neil> you hear that?
[20:09] <M0CJM_Neil> lol M6KZT
[20:09] <Laurence1> *farting sounds*
[20:09] <M0CJM_Neil> Where are you M6KZT
[20:09] <M6KZT> io91po... near high wycombe
[20:09] <M0CJM_Neil> cool
[20:09] <M0CJM_Neil> not a bad distance
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[20:10] <M0CJM_Neil> about 30 miles
[20:10] <WILLdude> Problem with this is, I don't know what to lsiten to.
[20:10] <M0CJM_Neil> like what Will?
[20:10] <GMT> WILLdude: what are your choices?
[20:10] <WILLdude> 60-905 mhz. Just a long wire aerial.
[20:10] <M0CJM_Neil> Io91JF here
[20:11] <M6KZT> ahh yeah can see you on the spacenear.us tracker
[20:11] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, on HAM radio mostly peoples disturbing medical problems, weather reports, traffic rants, and the best choice of cardigans
[20:11] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude, are you saing all you have a is along wire?
[20:11] <mfa298> I didn't notice anything down in southampton althoguh the antenna might not be quite far enough out the window for basingstoke
[20:11] <GMT> wellll, a long wire is good for HF, but not v.good for VHF and UHF, but HF is well below 60 MHz
[20:12] <M0CJM_Neil> Will is about 200metres from me so he should hear it with a piece of wet string
[20:12] <mfa298> shouldn't even need the wet string
[20:12] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[20:12] <M0CJM_Neil> especially as I was kicking out 75W
[20:12] <mfa298> I've picked up payloads at 10mW on the 817 with no antenna attached at further than that
[20:13] <M0CJM_Neil> Clever though, was txing on 2m on same antenna as am receiving HABLAB on at same time. Witchcraft if you ask me :-)
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[20:14] <WILLdude> Hmm.
[20:14] <Upu_M0UPU> so I gueess the question is how far will it drop over night
[20:14] <mfa298> WILLdude: where is your long wire going ?
[20:14] <WILLdude> Upu_M0UPU: Do you think I should get a W-30, a W-50 or a Tribander of some sort.
[20:14] <Upu_M0UPU> if it drops 5km its likely to turn around again
[20:14] <G4MYS_Andy> M0CJM we used to run GB3SH & SU both repeating at the same on aerial at the same time! its all done with duplexers
[20:14] <M0CJM_Neil> I have a tribander up
[20:14] <Upu_M0UPU> W-50 is fine for 70cms and 2 meters
[20:14] <WILLdude> mfa298: My window.
[20:14] <WILLdude> But is expensive.
[20:14] <Upu_M0UPU> doesn't matter what you get
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> it needs to be on the roof
[20:15] <M0CJM_Neil> Yeah I have a triband antenna and triplexer! Just find it very clever thats all!
[20:15] <WILLdude> I know, I'll have to talk to my parents.
[20:15] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> or above roof level eg tree/mast/ladder+broomstick
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> keep going to radio club
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> ask around
[20:15] <WILLdude> I was thinking of getting a tribander.
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> which one ?
[20:15] <M0CJM_Neil> Will, get your dad to drive round my road and you can see antennas from the front of the house
[20:15] <mfa298> WILLdude: just around your window or outside ?
[20:15] <mfa298> where are the ends of the wire ?
[20:15] <Upu_M0UPU> is that the one that does 6 meters as well ?
[20:16] <WILLdude> yeah
[20:16] <WILLdude> Not decided on one.
[20:16] <WILLdude> One is on the center of the coax, the other is in the gutter above my window, bent to an N shape.
[20:16] <G4MYS_Andy> the 6M one is preyy U/S on 6M and the `1296 mhz is worse
[20:17] <Upu_M0UPU> the W-2000 looks like a good antenna but be aware its 2.5m long
[20:17] <mfa298> I've had 2m and 70cms (txing on one) with the TS2000 and a triplexor. I did find the insertion loss made a difference with HAB though of having it in
[20:18] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> I have pretty much lost hablab now :( Might wave the small yagi out of the window for a bit
[20:18] <WILLdude> Well that's expensive.
[20:18] <mfa298> WILLdude: where does the cable going to the centre of the coax go ?
[20:18] <WILLdude> Will a mast bracket allow me to roof mount it?
[20:18] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/wsj-430_watson_70cm_slim_jim-p-1955.html?osCsid=16fcfa17895f64ae555b6390b627fd5b
[20:18] <Upu_M0UPU> interesting
[20:18] <WILLdude> The other end of the coax.
[20:19] <WILLdude> http://www.radioworld.co.uk/catalog/wsj-430_watson_70cm_slim_jim-p-1955.html?osCsid=16fcfa17895f64ae555b6390b627fd5b
[20:19] <Upu_M0UPU> that would be interesting to try
[20:19] <M0CJM_Neil> I think I have the w-2000
[20:19] <G4MYS_Andy> leave the slim jim alone they are air cooled dummey loads
[20:19] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[20:19] <M0CJM_Neil> I run a TS2000 to
[20:19] <Upu_M0UPU> I used one on the APRS payload over Europe seemed to work ok
[20:20] <mfa298> WILLdude: I'm confused, there's one piece of wire connected to the centre of the coax, where does the other end go - it might help if you can draw a diagram
[20:21] <WILLdude> Wire (gutter above my window) -> Coax -> Radio.
[20:21] <M0CJM_Neil> the invoice says my antenna is a V-2000
[20:21] <WILLdude> W-2000 looks like hell to mount.
[20:22] <mfa298> WILLdude: and you also had another piece of wire going to the outside of the coax also in the gutter ?
[20:22] <M0CJM_Neil> I think it is a W2000 though
[20:22] <WILLdude> Nope
[20:22] <WILLdude> Right
[20:22] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude Get your dad to drive past my house, you can see the W-2000
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[20:22] <WILLdude> Might just get a w-50.
[20:22] <WILLdude> haha
[20:22] <WILLdude> Maybe. I could just alk.
[20:22] <WILLdude> *walk
[20:22] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Managed to find the optimum yagi dangling angle
[20:23] <M0CJM_Neil> whatever you want,
[20:23] <M0CJM_Neil> its clearly visible
[20:24] <WILLdude> Remind me where is your house?
[20:24] <M0CJM_Neil> you know the road where the onne stop is
[20:24] <WILLdude> Yeah
[20:24] <M0CJM_Neil> number 46
[20:24] <WILLdude> 46 Oakley Lane.
[20:24] <M0CJM_Neil> nope The Vale
[20:25] <M0CJM_Neil> look my callsign up on QRZ, its all on there
[20:25] <JFS1> Does someone know the name of the connector that typically goes on the RF pins of the NTX2 to connect it to an antenna?
[20:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> JFS1 SMA connector
[20:26] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> NOT RP-SMA though!
[20:26] <mattbrejza> or bnc
[20:26] <mattbrejza> but sma is the usual one
[20:26] <M0CJM_Neil> Still gettting green decodes here
[20:27] <WILLdude> Ah OK.
[20:27] <JFS1> Thanks for that info.
[20:27] <Maxell> I like floaters :-) $$$$HABLAB,1738,20:26:36,52.31438,-1.23655,22813,4.39,12,82D0*7DFE
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> :)
[20:27] <WILLdude> ah yes.
[20:27] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> M0CJM_Neil, are you getting lots of mid string fades?
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> Is that out over the irish sea?
[20:28] <WILLdude> M0CJM_Neil: Can you send me a picture of it?
[20:28] <M0CJM_Neil> Whats your email
[20:29] <WILLdude> iam@willdover.co.uk
[20:29] <WILLdude> Do you go to any local ham clubs?
[20:29] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]: other Dutchies seem to have given up. PE2G sometimes pops up too :-)
[20:30] <WILLdude> Do i need a mast to mount the W-50?
[20:30] <M0CJM_Neil> email on its way
[20:30] <M0CJM_Neil> nope dont do clubs
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[20:30] <M0CJM_Neil> Just about all verticals needs a mounting mast
[20:30] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, mine came with bolts to mount it onto a mast, but i guess you could stick it straight into a wall mount
[20:31] <mfa298> WILLdude: you'll probably need a short bit of pole and then something like T&K Wall brackets
[20:31] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> you would be far better off using two wall mounts and a 3m mast though
[20:31] <M0CJM_Neil> I use T & K brackets and then a 10 foor 2" pole
[20:31] <M0CJM_Neil> 10 foot
[20:31] <mfa298> if you're house has a chimmney a chimney mount kit could also work
[20:32] <PE2G> Maxell: Yes, occasional green decodes still. Fading has become faster. Elev +0.1 deg, dx 534 km.
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[20:32] <M0CJM_Neil> On HABLAB opting for Lemington Spa!
[20:32] <ibanezmatt13> Upu_M0UPU: Could you link me to those images again?
[20:32] <Upu_M0UPU> http://imgur.com/a/H3VLl#0
[20:32] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I´m now also getting occiasional reds
[20:33] <WILLdude> It comes with a mounting bracket, but I think that's for masts.
[20:33] <Maxell> PE2G: ah, 1.4 degrees elavation
[20:33] <Upu_M0UPU> the antenna was damaged on launch I think
[20:33] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg]: You're doing very well
[20:33] <M0CJM_Neil> Yep, usually its a bracket to mount it to a round pole
[20:33] <G4MYS_Andy> always good to be able to get ar aerials so try not to put it on the chimney! T & K and any bracket should b not go within 10 courses of the top brick!
[20:33] <M0CJM_Neil> walk round and take a look at mine its all visible
[20:34] <WILLdude> Uhuh.
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> Got 2 of these spare if you want them WILLdude :) http://big-marts-brackets.yolasite.com/bn-wall-mounted-rotator-antenna-mast-bracket.php
[20:34] <WILLdude> http://big-marts-brackets.yolasite.com/bn-wall-mounted-rotator-antenna-mast-bracket.php
[20:34] <Upu_M0UPU> your copy skills need some work :)
[20:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> finally got the remote control working...temporarily
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> WILLdude https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[20:35] <WILLdude> Do I need a rotator?
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[20:35] <Upu_M0UPU> ack sorry didn't mean that one
[20:35] <WILLdude> How much did your rotator project cost?
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> all in ? Probably £1000
[20:36] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Ouch
[20:36] <WILLdude> Sheesh. You must have a very well paid job.
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> forget that
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> For that, I'd want a 34m dish on top of the rotator.
[20:36] <Upu_M0UPU> understanding wife more like
[20:36] <WILLdude> Hah
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[20:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Upu_M0UPU, I used that 19el tonna yesterday: http://bit.ly/14EHa2g
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> can't find the picture
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> work well ?
[20:37] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Worked great, but still cant really justfy getting a rotator for it :(
[20:37] <WILLdude> So was that the wrong mount or wrong image?
[20:37] <Maxell> \o/ habs
[20:37] <Maxell> this is such a great hobby
[20:37] <mfa298> WILLdude: like most hobbies it's quite easy to spend a lot of money on radio kit. Even 2nd hand stuff can cost several 100 pounds.
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> ok so what I did WILLdude
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> was take down the TV antenna
[20:37] <Upu_M0UPU> and stick a Watson on there instead
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> now this may cause an issue if your parents are using said TV antenna
[20:38] <WILLdude> So no TV for you?
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> Well we use Sky
[20:38] <WILLdude> I have satellite.
[20:38] <WILLdude> Yeah
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> not many people use the terrestrial antenna any more
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> chrisstubbsM6EDF you can make a rotator fairly cheaply
[20:39] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude Did email come through
[20:39] <WILLdude> Yeah.
[20:39] <M0CJM_Neil> cool
[20:39] <WILLdude> Are you a part of NADARS or BARC ?
[20:39] <M0CJM_Neil> I used to be BARC bu not really a club person
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/watson.jpg
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> there wll
[20:40] <Upu_M0UPU> Will
[20:40] <WILLdude> What kind of mast would I use for that? Would I need one?
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> zoom in
[20:41] <WILLdude> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/watson.jpg
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> you can see the old TV mast
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> and the Watson attached to it
[20:41] <WILLdude> Oh yeah
[20:41] <M0CJM_Neil> the shift is about 420 with me
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> 380 here
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> just reduced it
[20:42] <WILLdude> Hmm. I wouldn't mind one of those brackets if that's ok.
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> those rotator brackets aren't much use to you
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I was only messing
[20:42] <WILLdude> Ah alright.
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll see if I have the TV antenna bracket
[20:43] <WILLdude> Upu_M0UPU: Do you know where I might get a mast for the Watson?
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> just call up your local TV antenna guy
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[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> they'll have brackets , masts and be able to put it up for you
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> thats all I used
[20:43] <Maxell> Upu_M0UPU: 380 looks about right
[20:43] <M0CJM_Neil> WILLdude Oakley Aerials
[20:44] <WILLdude> At what price though?
[20:44] <G4MYS_Andy> for a mast try the local dump! or a skip may just find what you want avoid 1" masts 28mm or abouts thery are too small
[20:44] <Upu_M0UPU> you'd have to speak to them or get your Mum & Dad to do it
[20:44] <M0CJM_Neil> Well, I would call them, you need atleast a 1.5 inch diameter
[20:44] <M0CJM_Neil> and then depends on length
[20:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> WILLdude, I got all my bits from screwfix, was a bit ahiry putting it all up ourselves though http://bit.ly/16IBlCh
[20:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> *hairy
[20:45] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Holding this with one hand up a ladder was interesting too http://bit.ly/16IBoOt
[20:45] <M0CJM_Neil> You know where they are dont you Will?
[20:45] <G4MYS_Andy> all this lot do the poles BnQ Wicks Homebase CPC etc
[20:46] <WILLdude> Not until I googled them.
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[20:46] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> green after 10 reds or so
[20:46] <M0CJM_Neil> lol just under the railway broidge along Oakley lane
[20:46] <WILLdude> Ah near the swimming pool place?
[20:46] <M0CJM_Neil> yep
[20:47] <WILLdude> How much do you think they'd charge?
[20:47] <M0CJM_Neil> i brought a 15 foot 2" one delivered for £40 i think it was
[20:47] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> burst?
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[20:47] <WILLdude> Would they install it?
[20:47] <PE2G> Wouter-[pa3weg]: No greens anymore here since >15 min. About to give up.
[20:47] <M0CJM_Neil> umm yeah they would
[20:47] <M0CJM_Neil> they put up tv aerials etc
[20:48] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Perhaps not, just a bit of a blip
[20:48] <M0CJM_Neil> prob best you buy the aerial and attach the coax etc and then they could put the pole up and run cable down
[20:49] <WILLdude> Uhuh.
[20:51] <M0CJM_Neil> they would not supply the aerial nor the correct cable so you need to get hem in stock ready and then get them round to put up a pole and attach your aerial or you
[20:51] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Upu_M0UPU, CHEAPO3 has been found btw! Off the coast of the island of borkum (germany) http://bit.ly/16IBTIl
[20:51] <Upu_M0UPU> wow that went a way
[20:51] <Upu_M0UPU> any pics ?
[20:52] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Nope, the woman didnt have an internet connetion :(
[20:52] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Just had a phone call this afternoon
[20:52] <M0CJM_Neil> GOOD NEWS on Cheap03
[20:52] <Upu_M0UPU> sending it back ?
[20:52] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> she sounded concerend that it was leaking battery acid
[20:52] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> after 16 days in the north sea I told her not to worry, it would have been ruined :P
[20:54] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Evening S_Mark
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> hi S_Mark
[20:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> occasional greens now
[20:54] <S_Mark> Hello all!
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> how's life Mark?
[20:55] <S_Mark> Good thanks
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[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[20:56] <S_Mark> you?
[20:56] <G4MYS_Andy> doing circles? at Kites Hardwick.... interesting name
[20:57] <mfa298> looks like it's starting to find the winds to take it back east
[20:58] <M0CJM_Neil> Right all, I have a 7am start so knocking it on the head tonight. Prob wont be about much next weekend, off to visit a mate in Sussex till Sunday so will speak soon. Have a good week all!
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[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> S_Mark, quite OK, thanks :)
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[21:00] <mfa298> at current descent the prediction looks to head to just south of king's lynn
[21:01] <PB0NER> I'm done for the day... see ya'll!!
[21:01] <M0CJM_Neil> Byeee
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[21:02] <M0TVU> Any predictions for hablab before I go to bed?
[21:03] <Upu_M0UPU> ping PE2G
[21:03] <Upu_M0UPU> what distance did you get Zenith at the other day ?
[21:03] <M0TVU> Oh I see it's still at 20km - lol - night all
[21:03] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> M0TVU, http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=16156a5b0c2de7e71d52b129f3bc5062d4b1e37b
[21:03] <mfa298> M0TVU: I just tried running one which takes it just south of kings lynn
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[21:04] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> looks like its just changed direction
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[21:04] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> will try and leave the kit on overnight but will have to reel the yagi in as the window is wide open.
[21:04] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> X-50 may pick up in a few hours
[21:04] <S_Mark> Never known one so late before
[21:04] <mfa298> chrisstubbsM6EDF: that looks suitabley similar to the one I ran http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=fec58880fb606690f7f1ad4336abca61a2083517
[21:05] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> predicted landing about midnight
[21:05] <S_Mark> Any special aims? Sunset pics or something?
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> no I think that was by accident
[21:05] <Upu_M0UPU> floating S_Mark
[21:05] <S_Mark> Ah ok cool
[21:05] <mfa298> I remember getting the last strings from PICO last year sometime at around 1am
[21:05] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> With a 6.15 start for work tommorow I dont fancy staying up for it :P
[21:06] <M0TVU> Well looks like it won't be near me so i'm off to bed. Early start in the morning.
[21:08] <M0TVU> Nite all
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[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> BenBancroft, are you there?
[21:10] <BenBancroft> yes
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[21:10] <Willdude123> Hmm
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> I posted in the mightyohm forum about my pressure test results http://mightyohm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=3333#p6018
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> if you want to have a look
[21:11] <Willdude123> My dad doesn't want to use oakley aerials.
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[21:12] <BenBancroft> On my graph I have exponetial rise to about 20km, and then it drops again
[21:12] <BenBancroft> this trend happened on both rise and fall
[21:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> I mean that is in the vacuum chamber
[21:13] <Lunar_Lander> what you can see there
[21:13] <G4MYS_Andy> Will dude 23 there are plenty of people who will put up aerials try asking here!
[21:13] <BenBancroft> I will need to do more research
[21:14] <BenBancroft> but yes im certainly interested if the two are linked
[21:14] <BenBancroft> would help explain my data
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[21:15] <JelmerD> http://vimeo.com/68033138 . Truly awesome!
[21:15] <BenBancroft> Im in contact with a space physistist at lancaster uni, who im planning on asking this week
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> one idea is that there is less material for primary rays to collide with to form secondary rays
[21:16] <Lunar_Lander> and that could be why the count rate drops above a certain altitude
[21:17] <BenBancroft> gtg now anyway
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[21:17] <arko> man i hate this weather
[21:17] <Willdude123> Uhm, anyone know anywhere near oakley that does aerial mounting?
[21:18] <number10> s it hot there arko
[21:18] <Upu_M0UPU> JelmerD someone on here had a hand in that program :)
[21:18] <arko> its 36C
[21:18] <arko> :(
[21:18] <fsphil> ah it's dropping faster
[21:18] <JelmerD> Awesome :) Just got it from a friend
[21:19] <arko> with humidity
[21:19] Action: fsphil stands down chase car :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> arko, yeah that is shit weather
[21:19] <arko> yarr
[21:19] <junderwood> Ouch. At least you're not in Las Vegas
[21:19] <junderwood> 50C :)
[21:19] <JelmerD> I was wondering if there has had been anyone gliding the channel. A glider can do it easily with the modern glide ratio's.
[21:19] <arko> that toy story episode was awesome
[21:19] <Upu_M0UPU> and she turns
[21:19] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> JelmerD, http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/8309134188/ with a healthy ammount of tape
[21:20] <arko> junderwood: yeah, its crazy almost hit 54C in death valley
[21:20] <fsphil> ah a bit lower than I expected
[21:20] <fsphil> I said 19km
[21:20] <Upu_M0UPU> I said 18 :)
[21:20] <mfa298> some interesting loops as it turned
[21:20] <JelmerD> arko: 54C? Where the hack do you live?
[21:21] <arko> no no
[21:21] <fsphil> it's going north now :)
[21:21] <arko> in death valley
[21:21] <G4MYS_Andy> up in strength and db up to 20db and greens!
[21:21] <arko> maybe 150miles from here
[21:21] <arko> im in los angeles
[21:21] <fsphil> I don't believe I got a green
[21:21] <JelmerD> arko: Sweet. Gotta go there sometime :)
[21:21] <fsphil> unless it happened when I was afk
[21:21] <arko> yeah
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[21:22] <mfa298> hmmm, the live predictor is very confused, it's got burst over lemmington spa and landing on the west coast of ireland
[21:22] <fsphil> I don't blame it
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> 54C? Leave a bagged steak out, and sous-vide.
[21:22] <mfa298> real predictions a while ago put landing just south of kings lynn
[21:22] <fsphil> it weirdly assumes a balloon goes up :)
[21:23] <ibanezmatt13> Upu_M0UPU: We won't be able to make Sunday, but my Dad says he has an idea for the box anyway. We'll definitely need to come down to sort the aerial out, but it won't be this week. If you could post the stripboard back in a few days, we'll be able to pop down probably in two weeks time.
[21:23] <Upu_M0UPU> nps
[21:24] <Upu_M0UPU> number10 you're not permitted to sleep : http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=df726d66dfda79232d7bdef5aa29da00abd106fd
[21:25] <mfa298> interesting, weather forecast showed there's been a cold front moving in today and suggested temps have been dropping a lot with it - not sure how that might have affected higher altitudes though - BBC don't seem to cover much above ground level.
[21:26] <junderwood> about 3 hours to go at this rate of descent
[21:26] <junderwood> at which point I will be asleep :)
[21:26] <junderwood> let's hope autotune in fldigi works
[21:26] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
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[21:27] <mfa298> looks like G6GZH would be in a good location for this one as it comes in
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[21:30] <G4MYS_Andy> I got chucked out!
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[21:32] <number10> just going to bed Upu_M0UPU alarm set for 0540 :(
[21:33] <fsphil> I think this will be on the ground before midnight
[21:34] <G4MYS_Andy> sleep well and cj heck early in the morning this ballon seems intersting!
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[21:40] <Upu_M0UPU> never mind number10 people are receiving it
[21:41] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> Shift is way down to about 360hz now
[21:41] <fsphil> yea, weird that
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[21:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> getting very close to decodes now, will leave the kit running overnight and hope it stays locked on
[21:43] <chrisstubbsM6EDF> night all!
[21:43] <GMT> gn
[21:43] <fsphil> nite
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[21:44] <G4MYS_Andy> well its now drifting LF slowly
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[21:45] <anerDev> hi guys ! =S
[21:45] <anerDev> =D
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[21:48] <GMT> Bonjour Jacques
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[21:49] <F6AGV> night all
[21:49] <GMT> bonsoir
[21:50] <F6AGV> name is alan my friend
[21:51] <RocketBoy> Any of you tracker folk going to be able to leave it running overnight?
[21:51] <daveake> yup
[21:51] <RocketBoy> cool - I'll rig up what I can here
[21:52] <RocketBoy> I suspect a Norfolk cost landing
[21:52] <F6AGV> you speak french ?
[21:52] <GMT> un petit peut
[21:53] <F6AGV> OK, what kinf of parachute was on HABLAB ?
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[21:53] <F6AGV> kind
[21:53] <GMT> (Sorry for calling you Jacques, I was thinking of somebody else!)
[21:54] <GMT> we are not sure what kind of parachute, the person who made this payload is not here
[21:54] <F6AGV> Yeah Jacques is not a friend of mine ! Hi x 3
[21:55] <F6AGV> OK steve is the right person §
[21:55] <GMT> Oui, c'est Steve
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[21:55] <SpeedEvil> That's a hell of a lot of circles on the tracker :)
[21:56] <F6AGV> I think time for HABLAB landing will be on One hour this night ?
[21:56] <fsphil> I suspect so yes
[21:56] <SpeedEvil> Maybe more like two, looking at the graph
[21:56] <fsphil> maybe an hour and 30 minutes
[21:57] <fsphil> the descent seems to be speeding up
[21:57] <F6AGV> Yea i'm so tired !
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[21:57] <Maxell> SpeedEvil: horaay for filter function
[21:57] <G4MYS_Andy> annoying thing is Ive got the time but not the green reads
[21:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still green!
[21:59] <F6AGV> Who say that kind of parachute on board ?
[22:00] <G4MYS_Andy> glad you can track it! I am bery trying! parachute? not burst yet!
[22:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I will leave the stuff on
[22:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but I can not compensate for drift and stuff
[22:01] <Maxell> Nope. Last decode was 384.3km away
[22:02] <Maxell> It's pretty much gone now
[22:02] <Maxell> 40 mins agao
[22:02] <G4MYS_Andy> deep fading & QRM means I get vet ry few green reads
[22:04] <F6AGV> Under 100 hPa wind go to West and underneath go to East ! See on Ready
[22:04] <LeoBodnar> F6AGV: This flight had two balloons and one of them has burst at 30K leaving the other one and the payload to almost float.
[22:05] Action: Maxell is giving up.
[22:05] <F6AGV> Oh Yeah I see Thanks
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[22:09] <arko> wow, who's HABLAB?
[22:10] <F6AGV> It's an amazing flight, with two balloons
[22:10] <Upu_M0UPU> RocketBoy
[22:10] <RocketBoy> yo
[22:10] <RocketBoy> oops
[22:10] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry was responding to arko's question
[22:10] <Upu_M0UPU> didn't mean to ping you
[22:10] <arko> haha
[22:10] <GMT> Rocketboy! what kind of parachute on this one?
[22:10] <RocketBoy> should have read
[22:10] <arko> -1.7m/s pretty damn slow
[22:10] <arko> :)
[22:10] <G4MYS_Andy> been going for about 7 hours
[22:11] <RocketBoy> the its more like a balloot
[22:11] <arko> is it a floater?
[22:11] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah clever one
[22:11] <arko> or is it really landing?
[22:11] <Upu_M0UPU> had two balloons
[22:11] <Upu_M0UPU> one burst
[22:11] <arko> woah what?
[22:11] <Upu_M0UPU> the other was set to have zero ascent rate
[22:11] <Upu_M0UPU> which worked till the sun went down
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[22:11] <arko> ahhh
[22:11] <arko> two balloons is a neat idea
[22:12] <jarod> now long does a receiver stay on the spacenear site?
[22:12] <Upu_M0UPU> about 2 hours left
[22:12] <Upu_M0UPU> about 24 hours I think jarod
[22:12] <arko> if it lands in ireland that will be awesome
[22:12] <Upu_M0UPU> its going back home now arko
[22:13] <Upu_M0UPU> ignore live prediciton
[22:13] <Upu_M0UPU> it has no idea whats going on
[22:13] <arko> ahhh
[22:13] <Upu_M0UPU> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=df726d66dfda79232d7bdef5aa29da00abd106fd
[22:13] <arko> oh ok, that makes much more sense
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> back in the lower eastward winds
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> almost back in the troposphere
[22:14] <anerDev> guys, I don't understand how work the checksum
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw arko the italian Stratospera project had a flight with three balloons
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> but they found that almost was a disaster as all three balloons entangled
[22:15] <arko> hah
[22:15] <arko> i imagine it wont be very fun
[22:15] <anerDev> how can I understand from the string of the chuck if the data wasn't transmitted correctly ?
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> anerDev, I think dl-fldigi calculates its own checksum and compares
[22:16] <anerDev> and on fl-digi ?
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> probably the same
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> but can't say for sure
[22:18] <anerDev> ok, I'm download dl.fligi
[22:18] <qyx_> checksum is the hash of the data
[22:18] <Maxell> Why isn't the "Last Contact" field updating every time I spew out a good message?
[22:19] <qyx_> hash is some unidirectional math function with suitable properties
[22:19] <qyx_> example of simple hash is checksum
[22:19] <qyx_> you want to transmit numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 and you append checksum 10 to the end
[22:19] <qyx_> in this case checksum is literally sum of the numbers used to check if there was an error
[22:20] <qyx_> if you receive 1, 3, 3, 4, 10 instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, you know that it is not valid
[22:20] <qyx_> because you compute sum on reception and compare to checksum 10
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[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> Upu_M0UPU, looks like North Sea in the end, what do you think?
[22:25] <GMT> signal drifting badly
[22:25] <G4MYS_Andy> agreed
[22:25] <Jess--> afc losing it here
[22:25] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> what the**
[22:25] <LazyLeopard> Maxell: I think that only updates when dl-fldigi sends program and equipment information, which it does on start-up and occasionally therafter.
[22:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> drifting all over the place now?
[22:26] <daveake> batteries?
[22:26] <GMT> but then it stabilises, and I get 3 good decodes!
[22:26] <F6AGV> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2013/06/ballon-hablab-du-30-juin-2013.html
[22:26] <G4MYS_Andy> drifts are rather violent
[22:27] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, there've been one or two that needed manual re-tuning...
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[22:27] <Lunar_Lander> wb Upu
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[22:28] <Maxell> LazyLeopard: hmm
[22:28] <LazyLeopard> I could be wrong.
[22:29] <G4MYS_Andy> been slowly drifting down since 2220 when it was on434.076 227 i say its now on 434.073 457, a drift of about 3Khz
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[22:30] <LazyLeopard> A few minutes back it lurched down a couple of hundred Hz in the space of a few seconds.
[22:30] <anerDev> I'm using dl-fldigi
[22:30] <anerDev> with sketch of ukhas, where there is the checksum
[22:31] <anerDev> but the software didn't display if is good !
[22:31] <G4MYS_Andy> yes agreed it threw a wobbler good time for a few secs
[22:31] <anerDev> Lunas_Lander http://d.pr/i/DtU4
[22:31] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[22:31] <GMT> 5 consecutive green decodes - a personal best for me today
[22:31] <anerDev> this is a screenshot http://d.pr/i/DtU4
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> anerDev, that looks good
[22:32] <anerDev> yes, but i remember that in the checksum box
[22:32] <G4MYS_Andy> at 150ish BST it was omn 434.076192 and drifted up band till 2220 BST
[22:32] <anerDev> if is correct will display "GOOD :-)"
[22:32] <anerDev> but in my case there isn't ! why ?
[22:32] <daveake> It's not a valid HAB sentence
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> that is indeed strange
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> don't know why that is
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah yea
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[22:32] <daveake> No $$
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[22:33] <gonzo_> was that a freq tweak then?
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> wb RocketBoy
[22:33] <gonzo_> could have just been my rx
[22:33] <anerDev> thank u daveake, now work ! http://d.pr/i/rjMy
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> what an awesome flight you are making here
[22:33] <anerDev> =De
[22:33] <GMT> yup, it threw a wobbly
[22:34] <gonzo_> rr not just me
[22:34] <G4MYS_Andy> no its just yopu lads it washere too a wobbler
[22:35] <GMT> what are the chances of this one coming down without actually bursting?
[22:35] <daveake> It did burst. And it didn't :)
[22:35] <daveake> 2 balloons
[22:35] <G4MYS_Andy> if I were a betting man Id put money on it!
[22:36] <GMT> well, I know about that, I mean the remaining balloon
[22:36] <daveake> So one burst and the one's that's left won't. Well unless it hit something sharp.
[22:36] <daveake> hits
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[22:36] <G4MYS_Andy> what does everyone thing intact when it lands?
[22:36] <daveake> yes
[22:41] <db_g6gzh> I think it'll be too high for me to stab it as it goes past 8-)
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> yay 10004 m
[22:43] Action: Jess-- heads to kings lynn armed with an air rifle
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[22:43] <Lunar_Lander> is Wells-next-the-Sea a good place?
[22:43] <anerDev> thank u guys. Good night
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[22:43] <GMT> a good place for what?
[22:43] <Jess--> only if you like marsh Lunar_Lander
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:44] <G4MYS_Andy> wandering about again
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah like a good town to live in for example
[22:44] <GMT> a bit quiet ... when was the last time a major pop act did a gig there?
[22:45] <LeoBodnar> It's descending and full of Hydrogen, right?
[22:45] <Jess--> no idea, I know I wouldnt fancy trying to retreive a payload from those marshes
[22:45] <daveake> helium
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[22:47] <G4MYS_Andy> now thers a thought could the owner be sued as a Helium ballon decends on a sleeping town BANG!
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:48] <Jess--> off to bed, leaving rx on, I'm betting fakenham
[22:48] <gonzo_> nope, a sleepy town would probably be writing to the times
[22:48] Nick change: Jess-- -> jess--asleep
[22:48] <LeoBodnar> I thought RocketBoy said H2 earlier. Was Starbug H2?
[22:48] <daveake> it's descending it's underinflated it won't pop unless it finds something sharp and that couldn't even wake anything
[22:49] <LeoBodnar> Woosh
[22:49] <daveake> dunno. this is helium as Steve knew there was a chance of it coming down inflated
[22:49] <G4MYS_Andy> good one for front page of Daily Sport Radio Hams blow up sleepy town at 3AM !!
[22:49] <Dan-K2VOL> haha
[22:50] <LeoBodnar> Hams are always at fault
[22:50] <GMT> followed by ... Mandy, 33C-24-34, from the town said it woke her up with a bang
[22:50] <G4MYS_Andy> perhaps RAF should shot it down that will wake the town up!!!
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[22:51] <Chrisstubbs> Looking at fldigi hablab has burst
[22:52] <Chrisstubbs> spacenear.us won't work on my phone
[22:52] <GMT> HABLAB not burst, just drifting downwards slowly
[22:52] <LazyLeopard> half-burst. ;)
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[22:53] <iain_G4SGX> Good, Fakenham needs livening up..
[22:53] <LeoBodnar> How does predictor decides that it has burst? It is coming down in the end. Is there a threshold VS?
[22:55] <F6AGV> wind put it to North-East
[22:55] <gonzo_> lost sigs finally
[22:56] <db_g6gzh> It's a good demonstration of a distributed receiver network; several times there's been only one receiver and a different one each time.
[22:56] <fsphil> I was well out with my timing. thought it would be down by midnight
[22:56] <G4MYS_Andy> I cant decode strings any longer am getting decodes but they are not strong enough
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> at this rate it will take 104 minutes to landing
[22:58] <G4MYS_Andy> any thoughts as to where?
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> so that is about 2:42 am here in germany
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> well we'd need to know the velocity
[22:58] <GMT> I would say somewhere between Fakenham and Swaffham
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> then we can see how far it gets in 2 hours
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> I would even fear a splashdown
[22:59] <GMT> not too many hams in that area to receive signals in the final few minutes
[22:59] <db_g6gzh> 35.6 degrees elevation
[23:00] <G4MYS_Andy> The battery is going downhill and uts got bad fits of freq drift
[23:01] <F6AGV> on map we see the straight trajectory to G4SGX direction,
[23:01] <GMT> I suspect that 'SGX will be the last person to decode anything
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[23:02] <F6AGV> Yeah he is on RX
[23:02] <G4MYS_Andy> last few mins: $HABLAB,0358,23:01:34,52
[23:03] <db_g6gzh> 40 degrees
[23:03] <G4MYS_Andy> with me its now gone
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> appears to fly at 84 km/h
[23:03] <gonzo_> GZH is prob closer to the path as it catches the lower winds
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> it will well land in the sea at that rate
[23:03] <G4MYS_Andy> shame
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> it was an awesome flight
[23:04] <Lunar_Lander> will probably blog about it
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[23:04] <G4MYS_Andy> is it by chance the chase car has stood at Felistowe all evening I wonder?
[23:05] <GMT> I think that his home qth
[23:05] <F6AGV> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U1V3Vk9rEDU/UdC0SQVKp_I/AAAAAAAAST0/H1GK-Red9NE/s400/READY_300613_21Z_.bmp
[23:05] <db_g6gzh> I think that's home
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> It is
[23:05] <SpeedEvil> At least - it's next to the base-station
[23:05] <G4MYS_Andy> Oh thank you for putting me right
[23:06] <GMT> I seem to remember he launch one from a car-park next to the beach, and it drifted all the way to central France
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[23:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hello herman
[23:07] <pb0ahx-herman> hello wouter how are u
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[23:08] <pb0ahx-herman> long time not seing
[23:08] <GMT> okay, g'night all; I will leave this all running, but I am _afk
[23:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> nite
[23:08] <pb0ahx-herman> but i heard u to much
[23:08] <F6AGV> Wind speed decrease a few ?
[23:08] Nick change: GMT -> GMT_afk
[23:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> it must be about 3 minutes ago ;
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> Question is - has G4SGX got a rifle.
[23:10] <pb0ahx-herman> put him down with a arrow
[23:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> arrow antenna?
[23:10] <pb0ahx-herman> now wouter u now me
[23:11] <pb0ahx-herman> bow and arrow
[23:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> you would probably throw a rotator at it ;)
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[23:12] <pb0ahx-herman> sorry for some guys that read my english
[23:12] <SpeedEvil> I make it about getting to 20km off the coast.
[23:13] <SpeedEvil> Unless there are low-level different winds
[23:14] <G4MYS_Andy> interesting have you noted the patterns in the fields below?
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[23:15] <pb0ahx-herman> speedevil if he coms to me i send him to you
[23:15] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> oh oh, crop circles?
[23:16] <SpeedEvil> Err - 100km - ignore me - I can't do maths.
[23:19] <F6AGV> distance = 7300 . 20/1.6
[23:20] <LeoBodnar> Surface wind is 14MPH according to weatherbug.co.uk
[23:21] <LeoBodnar> I reckon it will stay on land
[23:22] <F6AGV> 7300 . 15/1.6 = > 68 km hummm ?
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[23:24] <SpeedEvil> I make it about 70km/h too
[23:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still within the radio horizon, but too faint to decode now
[23:24] <F6AGV> New 6586 . 15/1.2 => 82 km plop ?
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[23:24] <G4MYS_Andy> how about wrapped round G4SGX aerials?
[23:25] <LeoBodnar> It's getting interesting by the minute! :)
[23:25] <SpeedEvil> And - well - it's 60km from the coast, and about an hour and a half till 0
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> If that surface wind is to the east too - it'd better kick in soon, or it's not going to help
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea as I said before
[23:26] <Lunar_Lander> about 80 min left now
[23:26] <F6AGV> Has G4SGX a dart gun ?
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> Quick launch with a balloon with double sided tape on the top on a string
[23:26] <LeoBodnar> Or a big fishing pole?
[23:27] <LeoBodnar> Rub it on wool
[23:27] <G4MYS_Andy> note rate of decent is increasing
[23:27] <F6AGV> It's better
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> Very modestly.
[23:28] <SpeedEvil> Unless it actually bursts...
[23:29] <F6AGV> 54 km from last GPS
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> 'last gps?'
[23:31] <LeoBodnar> Very slowly unravelling cliffhanger.
[23:31] <pb0ahx-herman> g4sgx pse put the balon of ear hihihihihi with a bow and arrow
[23:32] <iain_G4SGX> Alas I'm far late and I'm too drunk to start driving around the country whilst fiddling with the radio, much as I think its be quite fun.
[23:32] <F6AGV> night all
[23:32] <LeoBodnar> Good night!
[23:32] <F6AGV> to morrow for the end of steve's story
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[23:34] <SpeedEvil> G4 - I think you'd need to need a floating car.
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[23:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> riiiight, bed time
[23:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ah....it starts decoding green now :)
[23:35] <pb0ahx-herman> noooooooooo
[23:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> no bed time then
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[23:36] <pb0ahx-herman> ok i go also to sleep
[23:37] <pb0ahx-herman> good night all til the next time
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[23:37] <LeoBodnar> GN!
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> hah. I wonder just how close it's going to pass over g4
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> well, laterally
[23:41] <Lunar_Lander> 4898 m left to run
[23:46] <G4MYS_Andy> Lunar lander did you calculate just where it will drop out of the sky?
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[23:52] <LeoBodnar> 35 miles to go at current slope
[23:53] <iain_G4SGX> My coverage is rubbish to the east of me, antennas too low and too much in the way.
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[23:56] <G4MYS_Andy> Thanks Iain for tracking to as far as you can go! I shall shove off soon 73 Andy
[23:57] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/j3W3LXk.jpg
[23:57] <G4MYS_Andy> thats a bit too warm Ta!
[23:57] <arko> just a bit
[23:57] <Lunar_Lander> G4MYS_Andy, no, just extrapolated that it might go these 170 km
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> from when I said that it will fly almost two hours
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> and that was almost an hour ago
[23:58] <Lunar_Lander> who is G4SGX?
[23:58] <G4MYS_Andy> well another hour seems possible but u its where that will be!! I suspect North sea
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> me to
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> *too
[23:59] <G4MYS_Andy> hes the tracker a few miles to the east of the ballon
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I know
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> I wanted to know if he is on here
[23:59] <Lunar_Lander> another 40 minutes btw
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