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[06:06] <KF7FER> so fsphil.... I don't think I said thanks for the base91 encode routine you did - thanks!
[06:06] <KF7FER> made doing APRS telemetry pretty simple
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[06:23] <fsphil> np KF7FER :)
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[07:35] <x-f> Airbus A350 first flight, live - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC9qmo7roWc
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[08:10] <chrisstubbs> Could someone please update the spacenear.us message with the launch of CHEAPO3 today at 3:30PM with a live video feed at stream.chris-stubbs.co.uk :)
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[08:12] <UpuWork> sure chrisstubbs
[08:13] <chrisstubbs> great thansk upu
[08:13] <GW8RAK> Where are you launching from chrisstubbs?
[08:13] <chrisstubbs> Chelmsford, Essex
[08:13] <GW8RAK> Even further away than normal then. :)
[08:13] <chrisstubbs> :P
[08:14] <GW8RAK> Will listen if I can
[08:14] <fsphil> what frequency?
[08:14] <fsphil> I've left a payload on at home on 434.075 so hopefully not that :)
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[08:14] <chrisstubbs> 434.300
[08:14] <fsphil> excellent
[08:15] <GW8RAK> If anyone is interested in joining the RSGB, you can get a years membership for £1 if a member signs you up.
[08:15] <chrisstubbs> GW8RAK, wow that almost makes it worth signing up
[08:15] <GW8RAK> I don't mind wasting a pound, but most of the mag is not worth it.
[08:16] <GW8RAK> Contest reports, yawn
[08:16] <SpeedEvil> royal society for the grilling of birds?
[08:16] <SpeedEvil> I'm up for that!
[08:16] Action: SpeedEvil gets out the barbecue.
[08:16] <daveake> bacon
[08:17] <SpeedEvil> oh. that's fine too
[08:17] <fsphil> yea, and pigs can fly
[08:18] <daveake> Haven't you seen police helicopters then?
[08:19] <gonzo_> or the album cover of a well known band
[08:19] <daveake> Pink Upu?
[08:19] <fsphil> well known?
[08:19] <daveake> gp
[08:21] <UpuWork> done chrisstubbs
[08:21] <chrisstubbs> great thanks
[08:21] <chrisstubbs> going car shopping :D brb
[08:24] <gonzo_> make sure you buy one with 4wd, lots of antenna space on the roof, oh and a cherry picker
[08:25] <mikestir> morning. just thinking about adding rtl-sdr support directly into dl-fldigi over the weekend. no one's done it already have they?
[08:25] <daveake> 2 outta 3 ain't bad
[08:26] <gonzo_> suppose you can always hold the ants
[08:26] <fsphil> mikestir: not yet, but it would be nice
[08:26] <fsphil> it has no direct support for I/Q sources
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[08:27] <fsphil> but I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult to convert it to something fldigi can use
[08:27] <gonzo_> a first step may be direct IQ from a soundcard device
[08:27] <fsphil> I'm not sure how -- it's all maths
[08:27] <gonzo_> that would open it to FCD
[08:27] <mikestir> I know. I was going to do the complex->real conversion and add a channel filter in a separate thread then feed it in as though it were a soundcard
[08:27] <jcoxon> morning all
[08:27] <fsphil> indeed
[08:27] <mikestir> quick look at the source seems like it might not be too hard
[08:28] <mikestir> and all the rig control stuff is there to drive the tuning
[08:28] <fsphil> morning jcoxon
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[08:29] <fsphil> complex->real a tricky operation?
[08:29] <gonzo_> that would be layering an extra load of functionality on, where it would seem more sensible to change the existing stuff for IQ
[08:29] <fsphil> or just addition?
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[08:30] <mikestir> it's basically pythagoras iirc
[08:31] <fsphil> I used the FCD directly with fldigi before
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[08:31] <fsphil> it just uses one channel
[08:31] <fsphil> it did work but probably nowhere near ideal
[08:32] <gonzo_> the prob is, it's a dbs rx in that case, so you have twice the BW coming in, folded
[08:32] <mikestir> should work fine. if you off tune somewhere and only take one channel it's basically the same as a low-IF superhet if you think about it
[08:32] <gonzo_> DSB
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[08:32] <mikestir> somewhere=slightly
[08:32] <gonzo_> you have immediatly degraded the NF by 3db
[08:33] <VK5KX-Peter> Darkside, not quite decoding the telemetry
[08:35] <mikestir> i'll take a look anyway. I'm still not sure if this dongle is going to be any good. I was thinking I would derive a more stable osc from a TCXO and add a filter and pre-amp. I see a few people have already tried that.
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[08:37] <RocketBoy> Did anyone else notice Upu's GPS board in last nights Horizon on Cats?
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[08:38] <daveake> ooer no wasn't really watching
[08:38] <RocketBoy> http://imagebin.org/261326
[08:38] <Ugi> Good morning gentle-people.
[08:38] <daveake> No wonder he's sold so many :p
[08:39] <RocketBoy> on the left http://imagebin.org/261325
[08:39] <UpuWork> hmm ?
[08:39] <UpuWork> nice :)
[08:39] <RocketBoy> its easier to see on the recorded TV program
[08:39] <UpuWork> wonder who ordered that
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[08:39] <daveake> Quick, register "Low Altitude Cats Supplies"
[08:40] <daveake> Cat
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[08:40] <Upu> sure that is mine ?
[08:41] <RocketBoy> about 99% certain
[08:41] <Upu> don't think it is you know
[08:41] <Upu> looks like its wired to the SDA/SCL the original pico PCb didn't have that
[08:42] <Upu> oh
[08:42] <Upu> second image
[08:42] <Upu> yes
[08:42] <daveake> lol
[08:42] <Upu> hmm interesting
[08:42] <Upu> brb checking my Eagle design
[08:42] <Ugi> you were on TV Upu?
[08:43] <RocketBoy> anyway - before you get excited they actually chose a bigger one
[08:43] <RocketBoy> Thet needed better sensitivity I think
[08:44] <UpuWork> yeah its one of mine
[08:44] <UpuWork> yeah I don't think the passive would work for their application
[08:44] <RocketBoy> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02xcvhw/hd/Horizon_20122013_The_Secret_Life_of_the_Cat/ - about 7 mins in
[08:44] <UpuWork> they should have asked , can get a TAOGlas active on there for another 3g
[08:45] <UpuWork> good spot though :)
[08:45] <UpuWork> no Ugi my handiwork seems to have been though
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[08:46] <chrisstubbs> thanks jonsowman :)
[08:46] <jonsowman> you're welcome :)
[08:46] <jonsowman> good luck today
[08:46] <Ugi> Yes, that was what I meant. Interesting.
[08:46] <chrisstubbs> cheers! going to be a bit hectic
[08:46] <Ugi> chrisstubbs - do you need caa clearance for a pico lunch
[08:47] <Ugi> launch
[08:47] <Ugi> ?
[08:47] <chrisstubbs> not if its a small one
[08:47] <UpuWork> I'll give it a watch tonight anyway cheers RocketBoy
[08:47] <chrisstubbs> which picos generally are
[08:47] <Ugi> how small is small?
[08:47] <chrisstubbs> balloon + payload has to be within a 2m cube
[08:47] <chrisstubbs> 2m*2m*2m
[08:47] <gonzo_> 2mtrs max in any linear dimension
[08:48] <gonzo_> including any ant elements and things hanging on strings
[08:48] <RocketBoy> at any point in the flight
[08:48] <Ugi> Fab - so the 36" foils with a payload tied close would be typical and OK?
[08:48] <chrisstubbs> Yeah they are pretty common
[08:48] <RocketBoy> yep - uk regs
[08:49] <Ugi> cool - that's project #2 sorted then - just need to make some progress on project #1 first!
[08:50] <Ugi> Does GPS have an issue with a great foil thing being just above it?
[08:51] <daveake> nope
[08:52] <Ugi> great - must try that one too sometime then.
[08:52] <Ugi> so much to try, so little time.
[08:53] <Phil_M0DNY> That should really be the channel motto ;)
[08:53] <jcoxon> hey Upu
[08:54] <UpuWork> hi jcoxon
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[08:54] <Ugi> That or "No! Not the trees again!"
[08:55] <fsphil> language
[08:56] <Ugi> ... is arguably the key to human society?
[08:58] <fsphil> that and toast
[09:01] <Ugi> beer
[09:02] <Ugi> Upu - could I ask you something about an order for a moment?
[09:03] <UpuWork> sure PM
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[09:12] <chrisstubbs> been doing some tree clearance calculations with the predicted wind speed and ascent rate for this afternoon. Very close :P
[09:13] <fsphil> eek
[09:13] <chrisstubbs> well not too bad tbh, 10m is bigger than it sounds
[09:14] <Darkside> chrisstubbs: doing a foil?
[09:14] <chrisstubbs> small latex
[09:14] <chrisstubbs> just what i have laying about
[09:14] <Darkside> attempting to float?
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> if possible
[09:15] <Darkside> haha
[09:15] <Darkside> same
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> not sure if it will :P
[09:15] <Darkside> 100g hwoyee?
[09:15] <Darkside> or 200g?
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> 200g kaymont i think
[09:15] <Darkside> ok
[09:15] <Darkside> ill be doing a 100g hwoyee
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> got it so long ago im not sure
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> cool :)
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> it may be 150 actually
[09:15] <chrisstubbs> if they even make that
[09:17] <chrisstubbs> Darkside, foiling?
[09:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Dl-Fldigi "WARNING! GPS Error setvbuf() failed" anyone now the cause of this ? Trying to get the location from the GPS
[09:22] <HixWork> fsphil, the ATXMEGA128A3U-AU with the 7 UARTs. I requested 3 samples, and 3 of each ATMEGA328P-AU ATMEGA644P-20AU. They sent them no questions
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[09:24] <Ugi> HixWork - that sounds like a good plan! Did you send request from a company or as an individual?
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[09:29] <HixWork> Ugi, I invented a company and used my stratosvision.com email address
[09:32] <fsphil> HixWork: sweet. I bought one :/
[09:32] <fsphil> gonna make a little breakout board for it
[09:32] <HixWork> heh, random IRC influenced purchases eh :)
[09:32] <fsphil> well I was making up a minimum order value
[09:33] <fsphil> also bought a 1MB SRAM chip
[09:33] <fsphil> no idea what I'm gonna do with it
[09:34] <Darkside> dammit
[09:34] <Darkside> i cant find my set of drug scales
[09:37] <Ugi> HixWork - very cunning!
[09:38] <HixWork> ;)
[09:39] <Ugi> I wonder whether they buy my ugilabs.co.uk address...
[09:40] <Ugi> I'd need to work on my SMD soldering in any case!
[09:42] <HixWork> do it
[09:42] <fsphil> reminds me, need a new temperature probe for my oven
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[09:58] <mikestir> Upu: Am I correct in assuming you are HAB supplies?
[09:58] <UpuWork> Thats me hi Mikwe
[09:58] <UpuWork> Mike
[09:58] <mikestir> hi. did the GPS modules come in or are you expecting them today?
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[09:59] <UpuWork> Literally landed on my desk 10 mins ago
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[09:59] <UpuWork> I'll get the boards made up today and tested over the weekend will post Monday
[09:59] <mikestir> excellent. thanks
[09:59] <UpuWork> Sorry about the delay
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[10:00] <mikestir> np. there isn't too much to do when they arrive. The school I am helping out are looking at a mid-July launch though so not that long
[10:01] <UpuWork> yeah not long at all :) I'll go get on with some soldering
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[10:04] <Darkside> so a 100g balloon with about 50g lift actually looks quite full
[10:04] <Darkside> its not like a 1600 which is all floppy
[10:04] <Darkside> a 100g is quite round
[10:05] <Ugi> What time d'you launch Darkside?
[10:05] <Darkside> tomorrow 10am
[10:05] <Ugi> & from where
[10:05] <Darkside> im just playing with the balloon
[10:05] <Darkside> adelaide, south australia
[10:10] <WillDuckworth> forgot to say Upu - got the board yesterday - thanks
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[10:11] <cuddykid> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/habe-lab/id655816441?mt=8 :)
[10:12] <Babs> cuddykid - are you launching in the states or just looking to tap into the lucrative US app market with that screenshot? Arko will be proud and honoured ;-)
[10:13] <cuddykid> oh haha
[10:13] <cuddykid> yeah, simulator on mac has location set to us
[10:13] <cuddykid> hacked it together in a few hrs so expect a lot wrong!
[10:14] <cuddykid> noticed that the icon changes to the HABHUB icon when downloaded too :/
[10:14] <Babs> if its free does it cost you instead when it gets uploaded?
[10:14] <cuddykid> need a dev account
[10:15] <cuddykid> but I have one already
[10:15] <cuddykid> which is £60/yr
[10:15] <cuddykid> bb in 10
[10:24] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE_: reading scrollback I think a few people have found the gps code for dl-fldigi on windows doesn't work, I think using that also makes you appear as a mobile tracker which may not be what you want.
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[10:28] <Babs> mfa298 (and fsphil) - thanks for your string read coding tip the other day. Incorporated it and now have a set of servos happily moving at the same time as my IMU moves
[10:29] <mfa298> sweet
[10:29] <Babs> it is the coolest thing I have owned since my technical lego car chassis circa 1982
[10:29] <eroomde> :)
[10:29] <Ugi> I plugged my GPS into a serial ->USB converter and told dl-fldigi where to find it.
[10:29] <Ugi> my pointer started moving on it's own as if the GPS was being treated as a mouse!
[10:29] <eroomde> Babs: i am working on something braodly similar
[10:29] <fsphil> lemme guess, windows?
[10:29] <eroomde> but the servos are diy linear actuators
[10:29] <eroomde> and it's not to point a camera
[10:30] <Babs> awww man. I bet you've done it for half the price, its doubly as quick and doubly as accurate
[10:30] <SpeedEvil> is it to point a paintball gun from an Ariel platform?
[10:30] <Babs> Moore's law strikes again
[10:30] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkGlKYRISFM
[10:30] <Ugi> yep. Windows
[10:30] <Babs> what does it do eroomde?
[10:30] <eroomde> ^
[10:31] <fsphil> windows is quick to assume anything in a serial port is a mouse
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> it gyres and gimbals in the wabe!
[10:31] <fsphil> I don't even think you can buy serial mice anymore
[10:31] <Babs> nice diamonds on the exhaust eroomde
[10:31] <SpeedEvil> Babs: shocking
[10:31] <Ugi> I think you're right
[10:31] <eroomde> it's all about the diamonds
[10:32] <fsphil> diamonds in the sky?
[10:32] <eroomde> i took this photo which is quite diamondy
[10:32] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8371635016/
[10:32] <fsphil> nice bang
[10:32] <eroomde> lol yes
[10:32] <eroomde> some shutdown teathing problems
[10:32] <eroomde> didn;t put a rate trm on the throttle servos
[10:32] <mfa298> I had similar pain with GPS on Linux a couple of weeks ago, bluetooth/network manager was assuming and serial device was a dial up modem :S
[10:33] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[10:33] <eroomde> so it's meant to be fuel-rich, on shutdown the fuel turned off quicker than the oxidiser
[10:33] <eroomde> so it went briefly stoichiometric
[10:33] <eroomde> which is quite bangy
[10:34] <eroomde> and infact i think the bang might even by it going out and just filling with n20 which then decided to decompose (which it can do on its own - see scaled composites accident)
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[10:34] <eroomde> but there's a rate term in there now
[10:34] <eroomde> or well, it's actually closed loop on the injector pressures
[10:35] <eroomde> so the valve controller just gets desired injector pressures from the flight computer
[10:35] <eroomde> and it ramps down that way
[10:35] <eroomde> we are hoping to try and teathered hover soon
[10:35] <eroomde> then it's up and away
[10:35] <SpeedEvil> how deeply does it throttle?
[10:36] <eroomde> eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5b9LnzjGgU
[10:36] <eroomde> can throttle about 5:1 on that engine
[10:36] <eroomde> which is not bad
[10:36] <eroomde> from about 1.3x fully wet takeoff mass at the top end through to only-just-not-a-brick
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[10:39] <SpeedEvil> at 1:12 that looked properly Thunderbirds.
[10:40] <eroomde> it's very pleasing what they're doing
[10:40] <eroomde> i went to see them in mojave in feb
[10:40] <eroomde> they're a very good bunch of people
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[10:41] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[10:44] <eroomde> but having a nasa to pay you some monies to work on stuff is a nice thing
[10:46] <WillDuckworth> ed - what transducers do you use for measuring chamber pressures etc?
[10:47] <eroomde> we found a secret stash of minature kulite ones
[10:47] <eroomde> which are lovely
[10:47] <eroomde> but usually we just use standard industrial bridge-type sensors
[10:48] <eroomde> sort of stainless diaphragm, 200 bar-type ones
[10:48] <WillDuckworth> cool - cheers, was curious
[10:48] <WillDuckworth> what pressures did your test reach?
[10:49] <eroomde> the camber pressure on that one is about 50 bar
[10:49] <eroomde> tank pressures are about 80
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[10:52] <eroomde> chamber*
[10:54] <WillDuckworth> i guess they also have to deal with the temperatures too
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[10:56] <eroomde> sure but that's actually not too bad
[10:56] <eroomde> especially if you have it dangling off a length of pipe
[10:57] <eroomde> the surface area to volume of a thin pipe means hardly any heat makes it to the sensor
[10:59] <Darkside> oh dear
[10:59] <Darkside> watching the top gear car rugby bit
[10:59] <Darkside> this is hillarious
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[11:05] <HixWork> "Completed" my IMU board, based on the expensive sparkfun jobbie.http://i.imgur.com/rGj3OkJ.png
[11:05] <HixWork> http://i.imgur.com/rGj3OkJ.png
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[11:10] <daveake> HixWork Which one from Sparkfun?
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[11:10] <daveake> Being cheap I got one of these - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140987205970&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:3160
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[11:13] <HixWork> daveake, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9623#images-modal
[11:14] <daveake> Interesting - has CPU to do the work for you :)
[11:14] <HixWork> yeah, outputs via serial. was thinking of adding another 328P to the board so it could be a one stop shop
[11:15] <HixWork> though i found out its been deprecated. twice
[11:16] <daveake> ha
[11:16] <daveake> The gyro on my £17 board is sold by Sparkfun on a breakout for $50. Ouch
[11:17] <HixWork> oh, win. I was wrong. It's the latest, bad linking https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10736
[11:17] <HixWork> so I am up to date :)
[11:18] <daveake> But now poor :p
[11:19] <HixWork> ~£26 worth of sensors and $19/10 hackvana special on the boards, so not really
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[11:26] <Babs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10736 is the one I have
[11:27] <HixWork> thats what I've based the design on babs
[11:28] <HixWork> after my Atmel sample blagging success - I'm going to try and get all the sensors as samples too :)
[11:28] <Babs> well, even I got it working so I imagine if you've based the design on that you will have no issues getting it all going.
[11:28] <HixWork> and why not :D
[11:28] <HixWork> hopefully
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[11:29] <HixWork> Heard back from the Damper manufacturer about my non fitting new dampers.
[11:30] <HixWork> Apparently if i can do the CAD for them for the phase 2 set, they will refund me 50%
[11:30] <HixWork> so I get a set of new dampers for <£400
[11:30] <HixWork> nicely!!!
[11:31] <HixWork> Babs, did I see that you got your servos singing from the same songsheet as the IMU now?
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[11:50] <Babs> yes Hixwork, got them working. Needed to go through a few coding steps to take a string input from the IMU of the form -50.4,60.6,9.3 into constituent components, then strip the decimals out, then convert to ints but then its all doable
[11:51] <Babs> all of the above being fairly basic steps in retrospect, I'd just never done them before
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[12:09] <HixWork> Babs, what did you use to strip the commas out and split the string up? scanf?
[12:10] <Babs> nope, indexOf and lastIndexOf to find the values of the commas
[12:10] <Babs> in the string
[12:10] <Babs> at which point you can pull out the three component decimal pointed numbers (which are actually strings)
[12:10] <HixWork> ok, doesn't sound too treacherous
[12:11] <Babs> and then use indexOf to pull out the bit of the string in front of the decimal places
[12:11] <Babs> and then use toInt to convert them to integers, and then use that as the variable that the servo writes to
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[12:12] <Babs> you lose the accuracy of the decimal places, but I figured that that is probably the limit of the servos I had anyway
[12:12] <Laurenceb> why not just output binary?
[12:12] <Babs> EDIT: I couldn't see an easy way at 11pm last night of converting a string that looked like a number with a decimal place in into a float
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[12:13] <Babs> Laurenceb - If my coding skills were analagous to human development, I would be going ga ga and still in nappies
[12:13] <Babs> ;-)
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[12:14] <Laurenceb> but sending binary is _easier_
[12:15] <HixWork> I'm with you on that babs, i generally soil myself anytime I co near code :)
[12:15] <HixWork> *go
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[12:16] <mikestir> Babs: how about parsing the number with the dp removed then divide by 10^(number of digits after dp)?
[12:17] <Babs> Laurenceb - yes, but you have to understand a) binary is and b) how to send it. It's like giving Stephen Hawking tips on breakdancing when he hasn't even mastered a basic moonwalk.
[12:17] <Laurenceb> :P
[12:18] <HixWork> Hawking could moonwalk, he's got that gliding action down already
[12:18] <Babs> but I will come to you when it is time for advancing it Laurenceb
[12:19] <Babs> In the meantime I am enjoying this from the house of eroomde http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9Ec9fuy5zc Neil, run! genius
[12:20] <HixWork> I had a thought about a head operated camera for a qaud. basically the camera follows head movements a la Apache helmet
[12:20] <Babs> mikestir - good tip.I am sure there are workarounds but tbh at the moment 360 increments of position are probably good enough to get the basic concept working. I'll note that one down, cheers.
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[12:23] <Laurenceb> http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/06/12/ive_minaj.jpg
[12:24] <x-f> http://strangefunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/what-has-been-seen.jpg
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[12:28] <x-f> guys, guys, GUYS!!
[12:29] <x-f> we finally have received a permission to launch from our CAA!
[12:30] <eroomde> Babs: yes that's olaf
[12:30] <eroomde> that amused us too
[12:30] <eroomde> he is a very quiet postdoc
[12:30] <eroomde> now at ox computer vision group
[12:30] <Babs> he sounds more like apu
[12:30] <HixWork> ha
[12:31] <HixWork> please come again
[12:32] <x-f> it took 1.5 years, lots of emails, phonecalls, and two meetings, but funnily enough we now have a permission to launch a ballon every five minutes until July 31st
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[12:32] <fsphil> nice one x-f
[12:32] <x-f> so we're doing a launch :)
[12:32] <x-f> soon :)
[12:32] <x-f> yeah :)
[12:33] <eroomde> i enjoyed that blinp rpject in hindsight
[12:34] <eroomde> the davos trip anyway
[12:34] <eroomde> blimp*
[12:34] <eroomde> project*
[12:34] <eroomde> learnt a lot about cables and connectors and bugs
[12:36] <cuddykid> got HABE 8 back :)
[12:36] <cuddykid> 2 gopros worked
[12:36] <cuddykid> 1 - very odd - started recording only after a few minutes into flight (even though I ensure it was on before launch) - then recorded about 5 mins footage, batt still almost full
[12:37] <cuddykid> tracker - doesn't look like any problems with stub - securely attached, and not RP
[12:37] <fsphil> weird
[12:37] <cuddykid> UpuWork: ^
[12:37] <cuddykid> yeah.. all in all, a rather strange flight
[12:37] <fsphil> what radio did it have?
[12:37] <cuddykid> rfm
[12:37] <fsphil> could it have been configured incorrectly?
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[12:39] <cuddykid> don't think so
[12:39] <cuddykid> set it to one notch higher aswell to compensate for stub
[12:39] <cuddykid> (power that is)
[12:40] <cuddykid> strong signal on the ground
[12:40] <HixWork> done a range check on the ground?
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[12:47] <Babs> did you get any good vid cuddykid?
[12:47] <UpuWork> very odd cuddykid
[12:47] <cuddykid> HixWork: no, assumed it should be fine like other radios etc
[12:47] <UpuWork> fly it again but with another tracker
[12:47] <cuddykid> Babs: yeah :)
[12:48] <cuddykid> for the bits that worked
[12:48] <cuddykid> UpuWork: yeah, I'll stick it on the other tracker - flying next week hopefully
[12:48] <UpuWork> cool
[12:48] <Babs> cool. would be interested to see it. gopro 1,2 or 3 model?
[12:49] <UpuWork> BTW guys conference is getting organised so keep the date free
[12:49] <UpuWork> be great to see you all there
[12:50] <fsphil> same date?
[12:50] <UpuWork> yep
[12:50] <UpuWork> great location
[12:50] <fsphil> nice
[12:50] <UpuWork> afk
[12:50] <cuddykid> Babs: 3 - though, I'm tempted just to fly 2s in future, had nothing but problems from this black edition, poor battery life too
[12:51] <Babs> interesting
[12:51] <Babs> eroomde - did you make the blimp balloon or buy it?
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[12:54] <eroomde> bought the blimp itself
[12:54] <eroomde> then we made the electronics pod
[12:55] <eroomde> it was a computer vision project
[12:55] <eroomde> we had a computer vision camera in the pod along with a gyrp/accel/magnetics/gps unit
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[12:55] <eroomde> the blimp built a 3d map of the terrain it was flying over
[12:55] <eroomde> kind of like stereo vision but just with one camera and movement
[12:56] <eroomde> it then had a very accurate thermal camera whose information it overlayed onto the 3d map
[12:56] <eroomde> it was for avalanche research (but we were just doing it has computer vision researchers)
[12:57] <eroomde> part of some massive european hydrology research project
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[13:03] <Darkside> eroomde: what is 'neutral lift' on the burst3 spreadsheet?
[13:03] <Darkside> or in general
[13:03] <Darkside> and how does it relate to free lift
[13:03] <eroomde> burst3 spreadhseet...
[13:03] <eroomde> these words are familiar to me
[13:03] <Darkside> oh
[13:03] <Darkside> i think its payload weight + free lift
[13:03] <Darkside> hrm
[13:03] <eroomde> but i imagine that would be the lift for neutral bouyancy
[13:04] <Darkside> hrm
[13:04] <eroomde> i haven't used the spreadsheet for years i'm afriad
[13:04] <Darkside> i need it for 100g stuff
[13:04] <Darkside> because you hanbdily dont have hwoyee 100g's on the calculator
[13:04] <eroomde> might be better to just do it from first principles
[13:05] <Darkside> well i know the weight, and i have the specced burst diameter
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> IIRC I just set a burst diameter of 2m, and pretended to have 100g less payload
[13:05] <Darkside> so its just a matter of changing those values
[13:05] <eroomde> job's a good'un then
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> Seemed to give sane results.
[13:05] <Darkside> SpeedEvil: i thought it was 1.8
[13:05] <eroomde> modulo the assumption that the delat-pressure is zero
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: quite
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[13:05] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: however, the benefit of 100g balloons
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> they're cheap enough to actually try it out on the ground
[13:06] <eroomde> indeed
[13:06] <eroomde> good point
[13:06] <SpeedEvil> See the actual burst diameter and delta-p
[13:06] <Darkside> mm
[13:06] <Darkside> so free lift is the lift with the payload attached from what i can tell
[13:06] <Darkside> neutral lift is witout the payload
[13:07] <eroomde> ok
[13:07] <eroomde> that sounds plausiable
[13:07] <Darkside> this is going from the formulas in this thing
[13:09] <Darkside> anyhoo
[13:09] <Darkside> ill go for the calculators lift
[13:09] <Darkside> then check the ascent rate indoors
[13:09] <Darkside> just like we do with foil picos
[13:09] <Darkside> then go outside and let it go
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[13:10] <eroomde> if you want to measure delat-p up until burst with a 100g, that would be very interesting
[13:10] <Darkside> on the ground?
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[13:10] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: yes
[13:10] <Darkside> i dont have the required sensors
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: haha
[13:11] <eroomde> if you wanted to buy one i would love you
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: get a water-U manometer
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[13:11] <SpeedEvil> Darkside: that's quite accurate enough
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> All you need is a bit of transparent hose
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[13:12] <SpeedEvil> A millibar a centimeter.
[13:12] <SpeedEvil> (Pretty much)
[13:13] <Darkside> mm
[13:13] <SpeedEvil> I guess a distant webcam will pretty much accurately give you the diameter
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[13:15] <Darkside> talking to terry aboit that now
[13:16] <Darkside> w eshould be able to do it
[13:18] <Darkside> hes thinking about making adaptors to connect scuba gear to balloon tanks
[13:18] <Darkside> to accurately measure the pressir change and flow rate
[13:18] <chrisstubbs> wow flash is awful over remote desktop
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> SCUBA gear is the wrong range completely I'd imagine
[13:18] <Darkside> i dunno
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> You literally need a straw, some duct tape, and a meter of clear hose
[13:19] <Darkside> juxta in da house
[13:19] <Darkside> (eventually)
[13:19] <Darkside> (any minute now)
[13:20] <juxta> haha
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[13:20] <juxta> scuba gear is in the right range SpeedEvil
[13:21] <SpeedEvil> It can measure 1-20mB or so?
[13:22] <juxta> no - I am more interested in it from the perspective of putting a measured amount of air into a balloon quickly
[13:22] <Laurenceb> http://vimeo.com/61047446
[13:22] <Laurenceb> epic tiem
[13:22] <Babs> eroomde - that project is awesome.
[13:22] <SpeedEvil> juxta: Ah, right.
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> juxta: If it can merely do flow metering, that would be useful. I guess youy'd power it from a compressor - as 4m^3 is a hell of a lot of breathing gas.
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[13:23] <SpeedEvil> Would be pretty slow though
[13:25] <juxta> SpeedEvil: when I say air, I mean helium of course
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> There is little, if any point of using helium for a burst/delta-p test.
[13:26] <HixWork> do you need to monitor the flow rate or could it not be done purely using the pressure change?
[13:26] <SpeedEvil> Delta-p and volume - from optical - would be plenty
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> I think it would take about a couple of hours of breathing into it.
[13:27] <SpeedEvil> Which would be one way of getting a nicely metered volume. :)
[13:28] <eroomde> Babs: ta
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[13:28] <juxta> HixWork: exactly - just the pressure, or change in
[13:29] <HixWork> does it work on a linear scale?
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[13:29] <SpeedEvil> HixWork: A water manometer - yes - it's linear
[13:30] <chrisstubbs2> Right the webcam feed should now be up at http://stream.chris-stubbs.co.uk
[13:30] <chrisstubbs2> will become hab related in about half an hour, sweepling the floor now :P
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[13:42] <m3eav> any updates on 3pm cheapo?
[13:43] <chrisstubbs2> nope still going ahead
[13:43] <chrisstubbs2> 3:30
[13:43] <m3eav> oh goody, test my new antenna hopefully
[13:43] <m3eav> thanks
[13:43] <chrisstubbs2> 3:30 BST
[13:43] <HixWork> whats the predicted path chrisstubbs?
[13:43] <chrisstubbs2> 2:30 UTC?
[13:43] <HixWork> oops chrisstubbs2
[13:44] <m3eav> Oh, here it's PST )Portland summer time) we like to be different
[13:44] <chrisstubbs2> lol prepare for confusion
[13:44] <chrisstubbs2> 45 mins from now :P
[13:44] <chrisstubbs2> hixwork NNWish
[13:44] <chrisstubbs2> NNEish sorry
[13:45] <HixWork> damn, away from the office then. thought there could be a chance to listen to it
[13:46] <m3eav> i won't get anything for a bit as essex bearing to me has a bungalow's roof in the way until about 30deg (may all planning officers suffer piles)
[13:46] <chrisstubbs2> Give it a go anyway!
[13:46] <chrisstubbs2> not too far from you
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[13:46] <HixWork> water pump sorted? I've only got the crap dongle and a tiny duck antenna indoors
[13:47] <chrisstubbs2> HixWork put a deposit down on a 2011 fiesta instead ;)
[13:47] <m3eav> lol
[13:48] <HixWork> that's hardly the economic fix ;p
[13:48] <m3eav> I'm looking at an earlier one fo those 1.4d £30 tax jobby
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[13:48] <chrisstubbs2> yeah the deezil tempted me but went for the 1.4 petrol instead
[13:49] <chrisstubbs2> Didnt even get to test drive it becuase you have to be over 23
[13:49] <m3eav> ouch, £30 tax and 70mpg you gave up....
[13:49] <gonzo_> the only sort of deposit you would want to oput on a fiesta, are the types the seagulls leave
[13:49] <chrisstubbs2> hysplit is refusing to work for me
[13:49] <m3eav> gonzo...oohhhhhh
[13:49] <chrisstubbs2> the seagulls round here poop gold
[13:50] <gonzo_> wish they did gere, I'd be rich
[13:50] <HixWork> shitehawks
[13:50] <m3eav> I live on an Island infested with seagulls.....washing the car is like being in a war zone !
[13:50] <gonzo_> though it would be a bugger to get out of the painwork
[13:50] <gonzo_> hehe. Where are you m3eav?
[13:50] <m3eav> Portland island, near weymouth
[13:51] <daveake> I hired a Polo Bluemotion in Denmark. Bit small for my, er, frame, but amatingly frugal and quite quick for a brief part of the rev range
[13:51] <m3eav> blue motion, that sthe 3 cylinder one i think
[13:51] <gonzo_> not far from me then, poole
[13:51] <S_Mark> hows the preparation chrisstubbs2?
[13:51] <m3eav> Poole, no only down the road
[13:51] <chrisstubbs2> good thanks s_mark
[13:51] <gonzo_> I once went to collect a hire car and was offered a thing called a twingo!
[13:52] <chrisstubbs2> in for a treat if the stream behaves
[13:52] <S_Mark> whats the plan?
[13:52] <gonzo_> buggered if I'll drive something named like a chocky bar
[13:52] <m3eav> yeah back to the ballonning......
[13:52] <HixWork> speaking of seagulls http://goo.gl/ODHvt
[13:52] <chrisstubbs2> garage cam to stream the fill, switch to drive CCTV cam to see us walk over the road, then to 3G stream for the launch
[13:52] <chrisstubbs2> it will go horribly wrong :P
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[13:54] <S_Mark> sounds good!
[13:55] <S_Mark> 15.30 it starting?
[13:55] <HixWork> apparently S_Mark
[13:55] <S_Mark> cool ok, back in a bit then
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[14:00] <PD4KDZ_klaas> Good afternoon habbers across the pond, whats the perdiction for CHEAPO
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[14:05] <M0CJM_Neil> Afternoon all
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[14:12] <HixWork> hi M0CJM_Neil
[14:14] <m3eav> i see it on spaceus
[14:14] <chrisstubbs2> Ok launch team are here
[14:14] <chrisstubbs2> time to start filling!
[14:15] <number10> didnt realise launch - must be kipping
[14:15] <number10> is it high altitude of pico
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[14:16] <m3eav> eh parachute deployed already?
[14:16] <daveake> god ustream is annoying
[14:16] <m3eav> ok...who pressed the red button !!
[14:16] <m3eav> Ustream sucks, i gave up with it, feed kept stopping
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[14:19] <mfa298> about the only benefit I've seen of ustream so far is not having to watch 2 chat boxes (as tends to be the case on BATC, at least for the big launches)
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[14:22] <daveake> I believe it's possible to embed the batc video on a web page without the chat. Dunno how but UpuWork has the details I think
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[14:23] <Ugi> Cheapo currently 11 miles from my house - shame I'm 30 miles away!
[14:23] <Ugi> any idea which way the winds are blowing this fine afternoon?
[14:23] <mfa298> I'd imagine it's not hard, BATC seem to have a page where you can monitor several video feeds as well (with no chat)
[14:24] <mfa298> next it just needs a page with IRC webchat and BATC video feeds.
[14:24] <Phil_M0DNY> mfa298: https://www.thecraag.com/stream.html
[14:24] <eroomde> reason #4527 for a cloud server instead of giving your customers a local executable: the mind melting horror of your build process
[14:24] <HixWork> Ugi prediction has it heading NNE
[14:24] <HixWork> where are you located?
[14:24] <Ugi> Thanks HiWork
[14:24] <mfa298> Phil_M0DNY: yes, just like that :D
[14:24] <Ugi> Shenfield ne Brentwood
[14:25] <Ugi> sw of launch site
[14:25] <Phil_M0DNY> batc guys are perfectly happy as long as we provide a link to batc.tv, just need to stick the page on habhub
[14:25] <HixWork> oh right, more EssexHABers :) I'm just outside of Epping, though working in Laindon at the mo
[14:26] <Ugi> still, if it floats a bit I hope to get home before it's out of range.
[14:26] <HixWork> should be safe
[14:27] <Ugi> we'll see. My netbook is throwing a wobbly today so might not work even if I get home. Ho Hum.
[14:27] <HixWork> yup that stream is pants. Killed!
[14:27] <UpuWork> yeah I've spoken to batc.tv
[14:27] <UpuWork> oh a latex
[14:28] <Maxell> it already laynced?
[14:28] <UpuWork> didn't realise
[14:28] <UpuWork> brb antenna time
[14:28] <Maxell> or can i still track?
[14:28] <k7add> i have all the bits for a trackduino... except the hx1. has anyone had luck with the official us supplier for radiometrix?
[14:29] <UpuWork> hey k7add pm
[14:29] <HixWork> Maxell 15:30 BST [14:30UTC]
[14:29] <HixWork> k7add, you can get them from HABSupplies
[14:29] <HixWork> here: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_63
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[14:30] <Maxell> Conversion result: 4:30:00 pm CEST = Friday, June 14, 2013, assuming berlin is Berlin (Germany).
[14:30] <Maxell> HixWork: nice, thnx
[14:30] <Maxell> just in time
[14:30] <HixWork> alles gut
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[14:31] <number10> ah - now I know why I didnt remember cheapo announcement - the subject got a taken over by frequency discussion
[14:31] <HixWork> heh :)
[14:31] <chrisstubbs2> ok think we are ready!
[14:31] <Maxell> HixWork: sehr
[14:32] <HixWork> lovely day for A LAUNCH CHRISStubbs
[14:32] <HixWork> can't even blame that on CAD
[14:32] <number10> whats the dial chrisstubbs2
[14:32] <mfa298> I'm not sure that spare latex balloon will carry much weight :p
[14:33] <M0CJM_Neil> Just getting set up down here in Basingstoke. Will be monitoring 434.300
[14:33] <chrisstubbs2> ok time for launch!
[14:33] <HixWork> good luck!!
[14:34] <chrisstubbs2> arse, wind test balloon just got burst
[14:34] <chrisstubbs2> rubber glove replacemeent time
[14:34] <m3eav> take your time chris
[14:36] <Maxell> cool cool \o/
[14:37] <number10> very nice chrisstubbs2
[14:38] <HixWork> roll up roll up
[14:38] <UpuWork> looks nicer down there than it is up here
[14:38] <UpuWork> oh yay and advert
[14:38] <number10> you can tell its not an H2 launch
[14:38] <UpuWork> speak to me about using the UKHAS BATC.tv next time :)
[14:39] <number10> a bit windy there
[14:39] <HixWork> but very sunny - just been outside the office, its lovely down here for a change
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[14:40] <mfa298> interesting, I dont think I've had any adverts
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[14:40] <Maxell> hehe, you can see them walk up to the lauunchspot
[14:41] <Maxell> from the spacenearus map
[14:41] <HixWork> Maxell are you in Berlin?
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[14:42] <Maxell> launched!
[14:42] <number10> no not yet
[14:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is there a video stream ?
[14:43] <HixWork> stream.chris-stubbs.co.uk
[14:43] <Ugi> 'tis now, surely
[14:43] <gonzo_> was that the real balloon, or the wind test one?
[14:43] <Maxell> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hab-test1
[14:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its full of ads :-(
[14:44] <HixWork> its a small latex gonzo_
[14:44] <Maxell> gonzo_: the spacenear.us tracker is
[14:44] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: use more adblock plus+ghostery
[14:44] <m3eav> 100m up to launch point?
[14:44] <gonzo_> ah, yes see some movement on spacenear
[14:45] <m3eav> UP IT GOES
[14:45] <HixWork> who is NA on the tracker?
[14:45] <Ugi> going up a 4 m/s and rising.
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[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its gone off anyway!
[14:46] <Maxell> It's a floater? :-)
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> I thought BATC had set up a HABStream for anyone ?
[14:46] <UpuWork> frequency ?
[14:47] <HixWork> 434.3 apparently
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[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh thats not hopefull then full of rubbish :-(
[14:47] <number10_M0MDB> 434.294 UpuWork
[14:48] <HixWork> damn, need to reboot
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[14:48] <number10_M0MDB> probably more like 434.2948 UpuWork
[14:48] <Maxell> "planning a possible pico launch on the 14/06/2013"
[14:49] <M0CJM_Neil> Where are you M0MDB?
[14:49] <number10_M0MDB> essex suffol border
[14:49] <number10_M0MDB> see on spacenear
[14:49] <m3eav> according ot speacenearus it will end up in the netherlands !!!
[14:49] <UpuWork> Cheers number10_M0MDB
[14:49] <m3eav> hahaha
[14:49] <M0CJM_Neil> OK, not getting out this way yet in |Hampshire
[14:49] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[14:49] <m3eav> you got easyjet?
[14:49] <LazyLeopard> Signal just not quite clear enough to decode here.
[14:49] <Ugi> I was thinking it was going to be a fun recovery!
[14:49] <Maxell> Nice, I'll be able to track it for a long time! :D
[14:50] <m3eav> oh Denmark now....brewsky recovery....
[14:50] <M0CJM_Neil> i think I have it very weak dead on 434.300
[14:51] <chrisstubbsHOME> Right all we are back!
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> One green line. Now back to red.
[14:51] <chrisstubbsHOME> tracker is still working but a violent ascent
[14:51] <M0CJM_Neil> I am just outside the blue ring at the moment
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[14:52] <LazyLeopard> It's definitely having a "How many ways can I misread that callsign" day...
[14:52] <chrisstubbsHOME> oooh wow nice low ascent
[14:52] <amalgamated_Tomc> Just received two squalks sounds like reflections in EASTLEIGH on 434.298
[14:52] <chrisstubbsHOME> thought it would be going up way too fast
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[14:53] <M0CJM_Neil> I am in Basingstoke Amalgamated, not heard anything yet
[14:53] <m3eav> Portland..nothing yet
[14:53] <mfa298> M0CJM_Neil: the earliest you're likely to hear anything is when the blue circle gets to you. Before that it's likely to be below your horizon
[14:54] <m3eav> i reckon not berfore 8000 meters here due to building blocking your direction
[14:54] <M0CJM_Neil> Just inside blue circle now!
[14:55] <M0CJM_Neil> We are using USB yeah?
[14:56] <Phil_M0DNY> M0CJM_Neil: Yep.
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[14:56] <LazyLeopard> USB, dial 434.294.5 or so.
[14:56] <LazyLeopard> Shift 465 or thereabouts
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[14:57] <Ugi> RevSpace should have a good view - not much but sea between him and most of the predicted course.
[14:58] <chrisstubbsHOME> this is a very good ascent rate, thought it was going to be about 3m/s as it was slightly overfilled
[14:58] <UpuWork> this is perfect chrisstubbsHOME
[14:58] <UpuWork> gives Darkside some ideas as he was going to try float one of these
[14:58] <chrisstubbsHOME> good signal Upu_M0UPU?
[14:58] <UpuWork> can't hear it yet
[14:59] <chrisstubbsHOME> ah ok still very low
[14:59] <LazyL_M0LEP> Good signal here now.
[14:59] <Phil_M0DNY> What's the weight of the tracker on this one?
[15:01] <Maxell> Ugi: yeah I think I'll do fine
[15:01] <Maxell> Ugi: i also see that jijdaar has joined
[15:01] <HixWork> wow - the mousewheel has started to work for frquency tuning on SDR#, never did that before
[15:01] <number10_M0MDB> 40g was in the email Phil_M0DNY
[15:01] <UpuWork> its a new PCB as well
[15:01] <UpuWork> doesn't run the antenna in loops
[15:02] <UpuWork> so you may actually be able to pick it up
[15:02] <Phil_M0DNY> number10_M0MDB: Thanks, wasn't able to find it at a glance.
[15:02] <HixWork> really annoying when you are so close to a launch but can't pick up diddly
[15:02] <Maxell> 5 active listerners, 3 decoders. Is it working ok?
[15:03] <M0CJM_Neil> Trouble I have here is as its ascending its going further away from me :-)
[15:03] <UpuWork> its not very high Maxell
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[15:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Seems to be. Not very strong, but plenty strong enough.
[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Climb -ve
[15:03] <chrisstubbsHOME> uh oh
[15:04] <UpuWork> thats odd
[15:04] <chrisstubbsHOME> could just be thermals/wind
[15:04] <Maxell> Ugi: is it going to stay at 2 KMs?
[15:04] <Phil_M0DNY> M0CJM_Neil: I'm in the southampton basin, often have to wait for the green line, not really sure if I should even try listening for this one!
[15:04] <chrisstubbsHOME> might float at 1800m :P
[15:04] <UpuWork> wtf :o)
[15:04] <Brace> chrisstubbsHOME: you might be able to get a visual on it at that height?
[15:05] <chrisstubbsHOME> nope :(
[15:05] <chrisstubbsHOME> up again now
[15:05] <M0CJM_Neil> Hi Phil. Yeah still to early I guess and thats if its going upwards!
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[15:06] <UpuWork> that was odd
[15:06] <mfa298> Phil_M0DNY: you might have slightly more chance that I do with it. at least you don't have a load of re-inforced concrete in the way as well
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130614/ float already ?
[15:06] <Phil_M0DNY> mfa298: True
[15:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> Erf. And just 'cos I say that, it fades...
[15:07] <mfa298> I just wondered if I could see a trace of it - but then got wiped out with noise
[15:07] <HixWork> off to DEnmark then.
[15:07] <Babs> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130614/ unsure whether that is a balloon trace or a 1960s Coney Island era rollercoaster
[15:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Rollecaoaster I reckon!
[15:08] <m3eav> It's the UK national debt uner labour
[15:08] <HixWork> looks like its following a standard airline departure profile :)
[15:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> Swerve a bit, dip a bit...
[15:13] <Ugi> look slike It's taking it in 0.5km jumps
[15:13] <Ugi> looks like
[15:13] <Ugi> must be getting out of breath after each little climb!
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[15:14] <g0hww> didn't realise there was a balloon up
[15:14] <gonzo_> it's pissed
[15:15] <HixWork> don't think it realises it's up
[15:15] <Ugi> did christubbs fill it with nitrous oxide?
[15:15] <GMT> what freq? I can't hear anything on 434.300
[15:15] <g0hww> nothing heard here yet
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[15:16] <GMT> is Spacenear tracker broken?
[15:16] <S_Mark> Hello
[15:16] <UpuWork> nope GMT
[15:16] <UpuWork> working fine
[15:16] <S_Mark> all go ok chrisstubbsHOME?
[15:16] <HixWork> spacenear is fine here GMT
[15:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> working here
[15:16] <gonzo_> give it a refresh
[15:16] <mfa298> don't use IE :p
[15:17] <GMT> okay, I've just got a blank screen ... no map, no flights ... nada
[15:17] <HixWork> EVER!!!
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[15:17] <M0CJM_Neil> Spacenear is fine here and using Chrome. It dont work in IE!
[15:17] <GMT> I'm using Chrome...
[15:17] <gonzo_> that's no loss then
[15:18] <HixWork> Ctrl F5?
[15:18] <Upu_M0UPU> works fine in IE here
[15:18] <M0CJM_Neil> I have IE10 and it wouldnt work in that last weekend hence why I swapped to chrome
[15:19] <m3eav> spacenar fine in Firefox
[15:19] <Ugi> I found IE kept hanging my laptop. Newest Firefox worked great and twice as fast.
[15:19] <GMT> I've got in 'another way'!
[15:20] <g0hww> phew. thought the rx audio was noisy. glad i discovered that the rx was in FM mode before the balloon had been and gone
[15:20] <M0CJM_Neil> Think I can hear faint noises on 434.294.5
[15:20] <mfa298> Friends don't let Friends use IE (To paraphrase what I've seen written on a behringer flight case)
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[15:22] <ibanezmatt13> Good Afternoon :)
[15:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Balloon in flight
[15:22] <chrisstubbs> sorry moved downstairs
[15:23] <chrisstubbs> reflowing an xbox at the same time as ballooning
[15:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think its scared of heights
[15:23] <chrisstubbs> :P
[15:23] <S_Mark> just watching your video now, couldn't watch live due to work
[15:24] <S_Mark> just got above that tree didnt it :p
[15:24] <UpuWork> I am wondering if I've left my antenna in at home
[15:24] <UpuWork> as not even seeing it on the waterfall yet
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nor here yet :-(
[15:24] <ibanezmatt13> It's not great weather for it is it?
[15:25] <ibanezmatt13> Well not here anyway
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> LOvely Sunny here since PM
[15:25] <M0CJM_Neil> Got clear blue skies here :-)
[15:25] <ibanezmatt13> Awful here
[15:26] <chrisstubbs> yeah :D
[15:26] <Ugi> Blue sky and very still in London
[15:26] <chrisstubbs> oh the live recording is up?
[15:26] <ibanezmatt13> live recording?
[15:26] <S_Mark> yep just watched it
[15:26] <ibanezmatt13> what's that?
[15:26] <S_Mark> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hab-test1?utm_campaign=ustre-am&utm_source=14022899&utm_medium=social
[15:26] <S_Mark> thats chrisstubbs :p
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[15:28] <ibanezmatt13> ok I'm confused, what is going on there? Is this live?
[15:28] <S_Mark> its a recording of the live an hour ago
[15:28] <Maxell> No. It's a recording.
[15:28] <ibanezmatt13> Ah OK
[15:28] <number10_M0MDB> someone at work made me a balloon filler out of a solid pice of plastic http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/9041047895/
[15:28] <ibanezmatt13> So this balloon is set to land in Amserdam eh?
[15:29] <S_Mark> or further by th elooks
[15:29] <number10_M0MDB> I think he would make some more for about a fiver if anyone is interested
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[15:29] <UpuWork> oh can just see it
[15:30] <UpuWork> thats neat number10_M0MDB
[15:30] <g0hww> what freq are you getting it on?
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[15:31] <iain_G4SGX> Could be a whole new sport, who can land closest to a target using cut-offs and wind predictions.
[15:31] <ibanezmatt13> that would be interesting :)
[15:31] <UpuWork> 434.295.5
[15:31] <number10_M0MDB> it is a nicely machined piece of work that he did, UpuWork, my input was just the pretty string
[15:31] <UpuWork> very faint though
[15:32] <UpuWork> I'll take one for a £5 number10_M0MDB
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[15:32] <UpuWork> btw is anyone interested in an 868Mhz HABAmp ?
[15:32] <number10_M0MDB> ok I'll ask him to do one
[15:32] <g0hww> UpuWork, tnx
[15:32] <UpuWork> cheers
[15:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Don't think I will hear it thru this lot :-( http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130614/index.php?ind=4
[15:32] <g0hww> dial or tone?
[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> Are those fillers used before or during flight?
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Possibly gut have to find a good aerial first as well!
[15:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> *but
[15:33] <m3eav> made in china, the hallmark for the death of radio spectrum peace...
[15:34] <chrisstubbs> apologies for the commentary
[15:34] <number10_M0MDB> befor ibanezmatt13
[15:34] <iain_G4SGX> Yep I got QRM on the frequency too, though not that bad
[15:34] <junderwood> either my antenna is bust or this is more QRP than normal
[15:34] <ibanezmatt13> Ah right, I don't know what the process is for doing that anyway. I'll have a read up on the wiki nearer the time
[15:35] <m3eav> it's only at 4000m, long way to go yet
[15:35] <M0CJM_Neil> Seems to be a slow asscent or is it just my inexperience thinking that
[15:35] <junderwood> I normally get stuff at 2km at that distance
[15:35] <number10_M0MDB> its a little weak junderwood
[15:36] <mfa298> M0CJM_Neil: I think this was aiming for a slow ascent to see if it could be made to float (rather than burst)
[15:36] <junderwood> Oh well. It's a bit windy for the Yagi so I'll ope for the best
[15:36] <junderwood> s/ope/hope
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice even slope now http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130614/index.php?ind=4
[15:37] <Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/38530/1371143956/fecksmen.jpg
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[15:38] <UpuWork> is the signal weaker than normal number10_M0MDB ?
[15:38] <g0hww> think i've found the signal
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[15:39] <number10_M0MDB> yes... its rather similar to my rfm22 when I compared it to the ntx2 UpuWork
[15:39] <g0hww> looks a littler wider, say 470Hz? i have a few spurii around there
[15:39] <G8KNN> more like 1mW than 10mW
[15:39] <UpuWork> ok cheers
[15:40] <g0hww> low tone at 434.2972
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[15:40] <Relz> thats where i am picking it up
[15:41] <M0CJM_Neil> Yeah can hear something on 434.297.2 to
[15:41] <GMT> I've got very faint traces on the waterfall, but not enough for FLDIGI to lock onto
[15:41] <g0hww> likewise
[15:41] <g0hww> can't even hear it myself
[15:41] <Relz> i can hear it, but fldigi is throwing out rubbish right now
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[15:42] <Relz> getting the odd bit of correct decoding but not a full line yet
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[15:42] <chrisstubbs> Yea te RFM always seems weaker than the NTX2
[15:42] <m3eav> lol still on target for the Netherlands
[15:42] <g0hww> i can hear it now
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[15:44] <Relz> the actual two lines, don#t line up
[15:44] <Ugi> landing predection seems immensely stable, considering the variable ascent
[15:44] <Relz> not sure if its meant to, other RTTY i#ve got using fldigi has
[15:44] <LazyL_M0LEP> Erf. Next door's got his sparky transmitter out to mow his lawn.
[15:45] <Ugi> Relz - does that mean you need to correct the shift value?
[15:45] <Relz> i don#t know to be honest, i am a bit of novice at this
[15:45] <cn8dn> please doc config usb fldigi
[15:45] <LazyL_M0LEP> Shift here is about 465, yes.
[15:45] <Relz> live and learn, i have it auto configed for this one
[15:45] <Upu_M0UPU> totally gone for me
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[15:46] <Ugi> I can't receive here at work but if the shift is not quite what the autoconfig gives then you can correct it with manual settings
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right click the owrd RTTY in lower left and adjust the carrier shift to suit
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> *word
[15:46] <Relz> 465 has it lined up now cheers
[15:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> I can see it on the waterfall, just, through the end-to-end splatter from next door's lawn mower.
[15:47] <M0CJM_Neil> How do i amend the 425 to 465 in digi?
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[15:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Configure->Modems->RTTY
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[15:47] <Ugi> ah - thanks for the tip Geoff-G8DHE! Didn't know you could do that.
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[15:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Then change the number to Custom, then adjust the value immediately below.
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[15:48] <M0CJM_Neil> lol just configured the 465, thanks
[15:48] <Upu_M0UPU> can you lot launch something with an antenna on it ? :)
[15:48] <G8KNN> Got to go out but will leave radios on.
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[15:49] <Relz> haha
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[15:50] <Ugi> what antenna should we be using Upu? 8 wavelenghts of solid Rhodium?
[15:51] <iain_G4SGX> wet string works for me!
[15:51] <UpuWork> just an antenna should help
[15:51] <Relz> i can hear it pretty clearly but it seems i#m unable to use this software
[15:51] <Maxell> Still not seeing RTTY lines.
[15:51] <GMT> you need to make sure that the antenna stays vertical as much as possible, I'd suggest a 2kg bag of sugar haun on the end of it
[15:51] <chrisstubbsHOME> I've lost it :/
[15:51] <LazyL_M0LEP> USB Dial 434.296 or so
[15:51] <Upu_M0UPU> whats the antenna chrisstubbs ?
[15:52] <chrisstubbsHOME> cat5
[15:52] <chrisstubbsHOME> 164mm
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[15:54] <Upu_M0UPU> strangely weak
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[15:55] <Relz> i have it still,. but it isn#t decoding
[15:55] <g0hww> 434297.5 low tone
[15:55] <number10_M0MDB> very weak here about to loose it soon
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[15:56] <g0hww> very weak, barely detectable
[15:56] <g0hww> i went to have a listen on my ft847 with a colinear, but it was no better
[15:56] <m3eav> blue ciurcle just abotu to reach me, be interesting to see if i get it then on x-quad wimo yagi, think i am az-el right way but building blocking much until high altitude in that direction
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[15:57] <g0hww> printing now
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[15:58] <M0CJM_Neil> Whats the green circle? Its hardly moved!
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> 5 degree hprizon
[15:58] <M0CJM_Neil> ok cool
[15:59] <m3eav> ah thanks fo rthat geoff, helps me average elevation here
[15:59] <M0CJM_Neil> so they saying likely to not hear it in the green circle?
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> No normally start to hear it between the two and should hear it by the green
[16:00] <Babs> is cheapo meant to be a floater?
[16:00] <Upu_M0UPU> I think so
[16:00] <M0CJM_Neil> OK Geoff, thanks
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[16:01] <m3eav> i reckoned about 8000 mtrs i woudl hear it earlier
[16:01] <LazyL_M0LEP> Ah. The mower's stopped.
[16:01] <chrisstubbsHOME> lawn mower???
[16:01] <cm13g09> mfa298: ping
[16:01] <mfa298> cm13g09: pong
[16:01] <chrisstubbsHOME> who liked the commentary then
[16:01] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, next door's lawnmower doubles as a spark transmitter.
[16:02] <Relz> the ustream had no audio here
[16:02] <cm13g09> mfa298: to PM
[16:02] <chrisstubbsHOME> had audio eventually further in
[16:02] <Relz> ah ok
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[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> bbl
[16:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> That said, the signal from CHEAPO's down in single digitdBs now...
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[16:08] <cuddykid> lol, just watching the video chrisstubbs
[16:08] <cuddykid> russian experiment
[16:09] <pws> Exactly at right direction! Afternoon from Kiel...
[16:09] <chrisstubbsHOME> kgb
[16:09] <chrisstubbsHOME> antonov 229
[16:09] <cuddykid> :P
[16:09] <chrisstubbsHOME> yeah terry got a bit carried away with the commentary when he saw the predictions going to russia
[16:09] <GMT> slight weight and size difference
[16:12] <Laurenceb> sea
[16:13] <fsphil> I see
[16:13] <g4fui_martin> http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/orfordness.php
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope it has got its passport with it!
[16:15] <Laurenceb> ooh "cobra mist"
[16:15] <m3eav> g4fui...funny how the BBC and gov can put up what they like for any dodgy means, we get kicked to death for wanting to put up a small yagi !
[16:16] <HixWork> its gne coastal
[16:17] <Andy_G4MYS> dont ask for planning permission and you wont be told NO or put it up on ally scaffold poles on SWIVEL clamps no planning is needed! I had this discussion with my planning officer he went away my aerial is still up!
[16:17] <m3eav> different councils make up different rules, depends on how tall the hitler is
[16:18] <g4fui_martin> Think the Beeb has QRT from that site now ...
[16:18] <m3eav> i have some ally scaffodl here ready, on pole in groudn right now on tilt mast clamp , only 10 feet high. if they complain i will stick a cube of scaffolding on lawn and put it on that..remporary?
[16:20] <g4fui_martin> I've a feeling CHEAPO is going to elude me . . .
[16:20] <m3eav> me too
[16:20] <Andy_G4MYS> Yes they do but the law is the law - poles on swivel clamps don't need planning End of story otherwise every scaffold would need panning permission, and under the FAIRES ACT you can put up anything for 30 days even a 300 ft mast if you want, a little bu it of knowledge here is useful when the council pokes its nose in where its not wanted
[16:21] <UpuWork> its very weak so you're doing well if you can get it
[16:21] <m3eav> Th elaw is th elaw depending on who gets bribed, what golf club you beleong toi and what mates you have...i know
[16:21] <Andy_G4MYS> can you give us the exact frequency on your receiver please Andy
[16:21] <fsphil> it's heading away from me. considering the weather here, probably a good thing :)
[16:21] <UpuWork> 434.295.500
[16:21] <m3eav> The actual law and local planning /councils have little in common
[16:22] <Andy_G4MYS> OK many thanks sat and waiting
[16:22] <m3eav> anyway, neghbours here are all cool and even helped me put it up:-)
[16:22] <UpuWork> I know someone who mounted his mast on a trailer and parked it in his garden
[16:22] <Andy_G4MYS> law and councils are well yes even more so if your a landlord!
[16:23] <UpuWork> I needed permission for this : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[16:23] <UpuWork> didn't get it mind :)
[16:23] <m3eav> upuwork, min eis similar but down on the groudn in mud abotu ten feet high
[16:24] <Ugi> I assume it's only the yagi that needed permission - not the colinear, or whatever.
[16:24] <m3eav> we need "permission" as if they are gods ha!
[16:24] <UpuWork> if its over 1.6 meters in any direction I think is the rule
[16:24] <m3eav> if they start that with me i have already scope dth eneighbourhood and nearly every TV ariel breaches planning
[16:25] <M0CJM_Neil> Just got a bad packet decode but can make out Cheapo
[16:25] <Ugi> OK, 'cos I'm fighting ATM for planning on a loft extension and I'm not aboout to apply again to get an antenna - if I stay under about 6' they'll never tell.
[16:25] <m3eav> they really do make it up as they go along depending where you live and what little club you beleong to
[16:25] <Andy_G4MYS> Well yes its on your jhpuse not on the ground, size of what you have I am surprised I would not of bothered we never asked planning permission for the GB3SH aerials on on of Southamptons highest blocks so why worry about that?
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[16:26] <m3eav> its ridiculous your rotator never got permission on the house...hwo much different is that from many large tv ariels?
[16:27] <Andy_G4MYS> Indeed we put a triangular mast i an area of outstanding natural beauty, and was not told to take it down it seems to depend on if someone splits on you!
[16:27] <m3eav> just officious jerks makign excuses ot exist
[16:27] <cn8dn> my station is not on the map
[16:27] <UpuWork> well its 3 meters long for starters m3eav :)
[16:27] <cn8dn> config
[16:27] <UpuWork> secondly I never actually applied for permission
[16:27] <g4fui_martin> Is the shortage of trackers likely to compromise the recovery of the payload?
[16:27] <m3eav> so?
[16:27] <mfa298> If it's just a vertical antenna your sticking up put a flag on the top and chances are fewer people will complain !
[16:27] <m3eav> looking at that pic its hardly an eyesore
[16:27] <UpuWork> I don't think recovery is intended g4fui_martin
[16:27] <UpuWork> your biased :)
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[16:28] <UpuWork> right home time
[16:28] <Andy_G4MYS> station not on map..... have you put in your long & lat as requested?
[16:29] <m3eav> not really, i just get in a fuss when it is justified, near me every single person pobjected to them allowing a 6 flat conversion for young people oin the middle of housing for old and terminally ill....they allowed it..put up a yagi..they turn into hitler
[16:29] <cn8dn> no
[16:29] <m3eav> sometimes you have to get nasty with them
[16:29] <cn8dn> ok
[16:30] <m3eav> righ ton the blue line now...nothign yet....
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[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> cn8dh see here http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO_20130614/index.php?ind=6
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[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> cn8dn ^^
[16:31] <cn8dn> config please
[16:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Enter your Latitude and longtitude into DL Client | Location
[16:32] <Ugi> Geoff-G8DHE: They're some lovely projections etc - how do you generate those?
[16:32] <mfa298> you also need altitude
[16:32] <Ugi> web tools or custom?
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[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Google Earth click lower right corner of spacenear.us and then play on GE ;-)
[16:33] <cn8dn> than
[16:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm going to put together a little write up, possibly on the Wiki on how to get the best of it
[16:34] <Ugi> Gotcha - would love to see the writeup.
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[16:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ugi see here http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/gewriteup.txt very basic at moment without pictures
[16:38] <chrisstubbsHOME> G8KNN is saving the day once again
[16:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> The interference has died down a bit now but still no sign of it at all :-(
[16:40] <chrisstubbsHOME> I still have nothing even after rigging up the habamp into the yaesu
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[16:40] <m3eav> scanning the sky az-el now...still nothihng
[16:40] <g0hww> low tone bang on 434298 for me now
[16:41] <g0hww> some printing no decodes
[16:41] <Ugi> Thanks Geoff-G8DHE: I'll look through that when not at work!
[16:41] <m3eav> n o pre-amp here though, maybe get an ssb later
[16:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> It needs alot more to it yet and as I say some pictures and a file to play with, you can pickup a KML file from most of the folders under HAB_Flights
[16:42] <M0CJM_Neil> my last bit of data ........... $$4CHEA@O 72,1263,iYWp08593.IU95#80L:p89 (,3,.1;%61@5$,AHEAp_'33,6419,7n209778^02.1$13804023:,1,5t.3,*F#
[16:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Havn't had a green decode in quite a while...
[16:42] <Maxell> My first good decode. Damn this one is hard...
[16:42] <costyn_> Maxell: why is that?
[16:42] <LazyL_M0LEP> Much easier earlier, here.
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[16:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> Signal level's quite low now. Suspect house and hill might be in the way.
[16:43] <Maxell> costyn_: it's just 10 km high
[16:43] <costyn_> ah
[16:43] <Maxell> costyn_: 3.2 degrees elevation
[16:43] <LazyL_M0LEP> That doesn't help, of course.
[16:43] <Maxell> 152 KMs total distance
[16:43] <costyn_> still well within the blue circle
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[16:44] <Maxell> yeah, but it's floating so low
[16:44] <Maxell> needs moar power
[16:44] <costyn_> that's airliner altitude
[16:44] <costyn_> lets check flightradar24.com
[16:44] <Maxell> eek
[16:44] <Maxell> lulz
[16:45] <chrisstubbsHOME> shhhh
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[16:46] <costyn_> seems to foloow the flight-path from London to Amsterdam
[16:46] <chrisstubbsHOME> hmm might be time to set the yagi up on a temp mast
[16:46] <chrisstubbsHOME> Upu_M0UPU, how accuratley does that thing need to be pointed?
[16:46] <costyn_> http://fr24.com/RYR19LE must have passed it/seen it
[16:46] <Maxell> costyn_: NAX5818 just 3 KMs under it
[16:47] <costyn_> also http://fr24.com/BAW978
[16:47] <costyn_> http://fr24.com/RYR54NW coming right behind it
[16:47] <costyn_> there's no camera onboard is there?
[16:47] <m3eav> uit seems in that direction i dont clear the obstructing wall until 20deg up, you can see a plume of RF reflection from my west on the SDR software waterfall until the yagi clears the wall
[16:48] <costyn_> Maxell: now only if we could understand the airliner radioo chatter better, we might hear something about a weather balloon :)
[16:48] <chrisstubbsHOME> costyn_, nope
[16:49] <Maxell> costyn_: they would just say "I can see some kind of balloon"
[16:49] <costyn_> Maxell: if at all... usually the radio is only kept for official business, no idle chatter allowed afaik
[16:49] <cn8dn> ok good
[16:49] <cn8dn> lyon france map good
[16:50] <g4fui_martin> You get a fair bit of chatter on the company frequencies
[16:50] <M0CJM_Neil> Is the station in The Hague on here?
[16:50] <costyn_> M0CJM_Neil: yea it's Maxell
[16:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> cn8dn I see you!
[16:51] <cn8dn> no good my gps
[16:51] <cn8dn> 45°50.307n
[16:52] <m3eav> oh great all the zombies returning from thier 9-5 just turned on their made in china goods....my waterfall is starting to get mud in it.
[16:52] <cn8dn> llat
[16:52] <cn8dn> long 4°16.599 est
[16:52] <Maxell> M0CJM_Neil: we are trying... It's floating pretty low...
[16:53] <chrisstubbsHOME> Maxell, will be closer to you soon! can you hear/see anything on the waterfall yet?
[16:54] <Maxell> chrisstubbsHOME: Ive had several good decodes already.
[16:54] <chrisstubbsHOME> Great news
[16:54] <chrisstubbsHOME> I have nothing at all now :(
[16:54] <Maxell> :P
[16:54] <Maxell> We need PE2G in here
[16:55] <chrisstubbsHOME> Why do I have such a bad time with RFM22B's :(
[16:55] <Maxell> :p
[16:55] <chrisstubbsHOME> can anyone summon him?
[16:55] <costyn_> chrisstubbsHOME: you can email him maybe?
[16:55] <iain_G4SGX> Still nothing on the waterfall here, but my antenna's low
[16:55] <costyn_> chrisstubbsHOME: check on the mailinglist, he's sent some mails (not going to post his email here)
[16:55] <Upu_M0UPU> not very chrisstubbs
[16:56] <costyn_> chrisstubbsHOME: see PM
[16:56] <chrisstubbsHOME> great thanks :)
[16:56] <chrisstubbsHOME> Upu_M0UPU ?
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> bbl
[16:57] <Ugi> Off home - doesn't sound like I will get it today but I'll give it a go when I get there. TTFN guys
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[16:58] <cn8dn> ok good news position gps
[16:58] <eroomde> well done cn8dn
[16:58] <Maxell> Or Wouter_PA3WEG he also has some sick stuff
[16:59] <costyn_> Maxell: yea pa3weg should be good too
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[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> you asked how accurate it needed to be pointed
[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> with 7.5'
[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> but with strong payloads sometimes you don't need to point it
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[17:01] <cn8dn> 30/06/ Morocco
[17:01] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm getting partials from Cheapo
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[17:02] <chrisstubbsHOME> just remembered we filmed this in HD
[17:02] <Jess--> anyon have a dial freq for cheapo?
[17:02] <chrisstubbsHOME> let me take a look at the footage, it got thown about a LOT on the way up
[17:02] <Maxell> Suddenly quiet
[17:02] <Upu_M0UPU> I just hope we keep telemetry long enough to know if it floats
[17:02] <chrisstubbsHOME> Maxell, dont say that!
[17:02] <Maxell> chrisstubbsHOME: waterfall blank
[17:02] <Maxell> nothing
[17:03] <Maxell> It's gone.
[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> $$$$CHEAPO,829,17211,52.3202,p2.60%8p0.124109,1.4.06,-5UC4Yf
[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> its there
[17:03] <Maxell> uh
[17:03] <Maxell> derp
[17:03] <Maxell> could be the sdr
[17:03] <Jess--> but where is there?
[17:03] <chrisstubbsHOME> ah nice one upu
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> G8KNN is decoding fine
[17:04] <chrisstubbsHOME> maybe the cat5 i made my antenna from is non conductive
[17:04] <g0hww> 434298.1
[17:04] <g0hww> low tone
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.295
[17:04] <costyn_> chrisstubbsHOME: made my baseplane from cat5; should work ok
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[17:05] <jcoxon> dial freq?
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[17:06] <Jess--> blank waterfall here even with an extra 60db of gain kicked in
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[17:08] <eroomde> how do you add 60dB of gain to your chain?
[17:08] <m3eav> oooh MIGHT have something here, very very faint but clear waterfall and first thing to come up so far on 434.300
[17:08] <eroomde> did you forget to turn the IF transistors on or something !?
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[17:09] <g0hww> :)
[17:09] <m3eav> lol 60db!...he went and nicked Arecebo !!
[17:09] <x-f> btw, Tomasz is on the launch site and waiting for a GPS fix, gonna launch another pico
[17:09] <Maxell> shit shit shit.
[17:09] <Jess--> funcube pro plus you can crank the IF gain up to 59db
[17:09] <Maxell> local amateur ham repeater is ruining the habamp/rtlsdr
[17:10] <Jess--> that's on top of lna on the front end and the mixer gains
[17:10] <eroomde> oh right. so it started from a really low level basically
[17:10] <g4fui_martin> IF gain best left at 0dB IMHO
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[17:11] <Jess--> I usually run with everything off (lna off, mixer gain low, if gain 0db)
[17:11] <Jess--> that was the config for tracking titan on when it was using 1mW
[17:11] <eroomde> and it worked?
[17:11] <Jess--> yes
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[17:12] <eroomde> that's quite surprising
[17:12] Action: cm13g09 thinks that he'll have to get things organised for tracking when he gets back to Essex
[17:12] <g4fui_martin> I'm ok with mixer gain high and LNA gain On
[17:12] <eroomde> you'd only be getting pV induced in your antenna
[17:12] <chrisstubbsHOME> cm13g09, dont suppose you would be able to put a 19 element yagi on your roof?
[17:12] <g4fui_martin> I have a BPF for 2m to keep out the local paging and Band 2 ILR relay 1m away
[17:12] <cm13g09> chrisstubbsHOME: sadly not
[17:13] <cm13g09> putting antennas up is a tricky subject
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[17:14] <eroomde> g4fui_martin: sure, but LNA is often maybe 20dB
[17:14] <eroomde> not sure about mixer
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[17:14] <eroomde> but yes, there must be some tens of dB gain in there somewhere for an 8-bit ADC with a fairly large dynamic range to see it
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[17:20] <Jess--> an example of my waterfall right now http://81.168.22.130/wfall.jpg
[17:21] <Jess--> I live in a very quiet area for rf (luckily)
[17:22] <Upu_M0UPU> so close to getting a decode here
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[17:26] <fsphil> I don't think there's much point in me looking :)
[17:27] <fsphil> no sign of floating yet
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[17:29] <Laurenceb> http://www.therendleshamincident.co.uk/cobra-mist-it/
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[17:32] <Upu_M0UPU> yay got a decode
[17:32] <chrisstubbsHOME> congrats Upu_M0UPU
[17:33] <pws> frequency ?
[17:33] <Upu_M0UPU> For some reason if I remove the splitter I can't receive at all
[17:33] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.297 ish
[17:33] <pws> tnx
[17:34] <chrisstubbsHOME> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM8gwW4umRY&feature=youtu.be
[17:34] <jijdaar> $$$$CHEAPO,973,173353,52.502319,03.133890,15537,9,1,4.6,-2*FF20
[17:34] <chrisstubbsHOME> cheapo3 launch
[17:34] <chrisstubbsHOME> it pretty much does a backflip!
[17:35] <g0hww> 434298.2 low tone
[17:36] <pws> tnx
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[17:36] <Maxell> jijdaar: nice!
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[17:37] <g0hww> ISS on a low pass
[17:37] <chrisstubbsHOME> Great work jijdaar! :D
[17:38] <x-f> SP9UOB is up
[17:39] <jcoxon> what type is sp9uob?
[17:39] <x-f> foil with a valve
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[17:40] <Laurenceb> interesting
[17:40] <Laurenceb> this should be fun
[17:42] <bertrik> is CHEAPO supposed to burst at 17km?
[17:42] <Maxell> floater
[17:44] <g0hww> i see something with high doppler sweeping down through my waterfall. anyone else?
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[17:45] <M0CJM_Neil> Sorry guys had to nip off for dinner. Anything exciting happened?
[17:46] <m3eav> nothing down here
[17:48] <bertrik> what FSK shift do you have configured now for CHEAPO?
[17:48] <chrisstubbsHOME> was about 450hz when i still had it
[17:48] <chrisstubbsHOME> supposed to be 425
[17:49] Action: LazyL_M0LEP was on 465
[17:49] Action: LazyL_M0LEP is heading out now.
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[17:49] <jijdaar> using 470 nw
[17:50] <chrisstubbsHOME> jijdaar, "Antenna: Yagi (TV)"
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[17:50] <chrisstubbsHOME> TV antenna?
[17:50] <g4fui_martin> A group A TV aerial should be reasonably good at 434MHz
[17:51] <jijdaar> yes, band IV yagi, 40 years old
[17:51] <fsphil> yikes
[17:51] <g4fui_martin> 40yrs, that's older than at least _some_ of my kit !
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[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:55] <chrisstubbsHOME> hey ::
[17:55] <chrisstubbsHOME> LL
[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[17:55] <chrisstubbsHOME> could be worse
[17:56] <chrisstubbsHOME> its a fight between jijdaar and Upu_M0UPU decoding cheapo now
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[18:00] <g4fui_martin> I have 2 faint lines on my w/f!
[18:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> evening All
[18:00] <mikestir> i think I might just be seeing it too
[18:00] <mikestir> i have two lines at the right shift
[18:00] <bertrik> we just go a few decodes at revspace again
[18:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> x-f: im flying to You! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Ehh7ad1nXw#!
[18:01] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, private video, but yeah, i'm watching the map
[18:01] <SP9UOB-Tom> ohh sorry
[18:02] <SP9UOB-Tom> click again
[18:03] <chrisstubbsHOME> oh wow thats a slow ascent SP9UOB-Tom!
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[18:04] <x-f> and a tiny tracker
[18:06] <Maxell> bertrik fixed up the revspace tracker
[18:06] <Maxell> it's going like a madman
[18:07] <chrisstubbs> :D
[18:07] <m3eav> i have something ultra faint o0n 434.270 with doppler i t seems, too faint for top wifnowd but zoomed waterfall shows it, just make out two lines and hear rtty, but so faint can bareley hear it.
[18:08] <g4fui_martin> Mine's as faint as you can imagine, but the shift is just under 500Hz, so that's it all right! No chance of anything like a decode yet ...
[18:09] <Maxell> \o/ chrisstubbs
[18:10] <g4fui_martin> Every time I come on here I comment on no two flights being the same,
[18:10] <m3eav> G4fui, you are not far off inside the blue circle as i am
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[18:12] <g4fui_martin> I'm practically bang on the blue circle and the propagation is _just_ there but "in and out" as they say
[18:12] <m3eav> yeah fadin ghere too, gowen right now
[18:12] <g4fui_martin> The two lines are quite distinct now, but all I can hear is white noise
[18:12] <m3eav> bit like my typing
[18:13] <m3eav> two lines here, broken and with doppler no doubt, currentlyt on 343.270
[18:13] <m3eav> oh 434 i mean
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[18:19] <jijdaar> huh? I listen to 434.2977
[18:20] <bertrik> we too at revspace
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB-Tom !
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[18:27] <SP9UOB-Tom> hi Lunar_Lander
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[18:32] <x-f> pws, are you getting anything yet?
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[18:32] <pws> nope...
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> short question for everyone
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> my Stabo XR100 receiver has like a bar on the display indicating signal strenght
[18:33] <Lunar_Lander> *strength
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> when I had it on the table next to the payload during testing it usually showed full signal
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> now I have a SMA connector soldered up to the RFGND and RF pins of the module and I get about half signal when the receiver sits right next to it
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> is this because there must be a proper antenna attached to the connector?
[18:35] <jcoxon> SP9UOB-Tom, hey, looks like float?
[18:35] <jcoxon> is it a valve?
[18:35] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: i hope so :-)
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: yes there is a valve
[18:36] <jcoxon> any pics? i'm intrigued
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> made from straw and latex rubber
[18:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: moment, im uploading
[18:39] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/valve.jpg
[18:40] <jcoxon> not sure how it works?
[18:42] <number10_M0MDB> is that just a bung at the straw end and a slit covered by tape?
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: straw is closed on one end
[18:42] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: there are 3 holes in the straw covered with latex band
[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> jcoxon: when presure in the straw is high, latex is expanding and let the gas to be vwnted
[18:43] <SP9UOB-Tom> vented
[18:43] <pws> jijdaar: pse what is your freq. now?
[18:43] <jcoxon> i see
[18:44] <SP9UOB-Tom> i cannot measure exact pressure, but it wirks - i think :-)
[18:45] <jijdaar> 434.2973 MHz, poiting at the sun now
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[18:45] <pws> tnx!
[18:46] <chrisstubbs> jijdaar, you are doing a fantastic job :) Will you be around all evening to track?
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[18:47] <jijdaar> no, started after dinner.
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[18:48] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, meet Morpheus Lander :) http://morpheuslander.jsc.nasa.gov/live/
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :) I know him
[18:48] <x-f> hehe
[18:49] <fsphil> did he offer a blue or red pill?
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[18:52] <pws> no, a golf ball
[18:57] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[18:59] <mikestir> jijdaar: what are you measuring the shift as?
[19:00] <jijdaar> still at 470
[19:01] <mikestir> hmmm not it then
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[19:05] <anerDev> Hi guys ! I'm buying this yagi. Confirm that is good ? http://www.ebay.it/itm/70-cm-UHF-Yagi-Richtantenne-Amateurfunk-PMR-BOS-Antenne-/250826224761?pt=DE_Handys_Kommunikation_Antennen&hash=item3a66687479&_uhb=1
[19:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha can just see CHEAPO on the W/F
[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> For 10Euro its not bad.
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[19:08] <SpeedEvil> what range are you at Geoff-G8DHE ?
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> How are you planning on using it actually chasing down the payload ?
[19:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> One sec
[19:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> 347Kms
[19:09] <anerDev> Geoff-g8DHE I don't understand this part "CHEAPO on the W/F"
[19:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> but its very weak but visible
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[19:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> seemes to have drifted up a bit since looking at it as well
[19:10] <Ugi> Hey - Cheapo still up then!
[19:10] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, so it worked :)?
[19:10] <anerDev> :/ but is good this yagi ?
[19:11] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, looked good to me
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD the camera battery is low
[19:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> 7 ele 9dBi its alright for chasing, but if you want to track from home then I would go for something bigger ?
[19:11] <anerDev> no no, I use it for tracking from the car
[19:12] <anerDev> in the car I will use the mag mount antenna and this yagi !
[19:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> From the Car is fine ideal no problem!
[19:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> You don't want any thing bigger.
[19:12] <anerDev> is the signal is weak, I disconnect the mag mount and i connect the yagi !
[19:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> can you undo the driven element the dipole ? Sometimes when very close its handy to remove the dipole and "null" the signal to get a precise direction
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[19:14] <anerDev> ook :)
[19:14] <anerDev> I'm buying
[19:14] <SP9UOB-Tom> well im think is leaking
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[19:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[19:15] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[19:16] <x-f> SP9UOB-Tom, seems so :/
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[19:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't think it has a passport, its turning back .....
[19:16] <jijdaar> $$$CHOAPO,1436,191537,5273378L03.#11850,25432,9,1..27,17*39
[19:16] <jijdaar> burst
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[19:18] <bertrik> it's drifting up here
[19:18] <pws> burst? (hat that term...)
[19:18] <pws> hate
[19:18] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah think so
[19:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> lost the signal which was weak now
[19:18] <Upu_M0UPU> $$$$CHEAPO,1440,191629,52.734810,03.30810,24595,9,,4.25,16j377$$$,CEA
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> keeps mashing up the last bit
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> 21k]
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> 21732
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> very odd
[19:20] <Upu_M0UPU> 21298
[19:22] <jijdaar> 20km
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> jijdaar are you getting partial strings ?
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> post the nearest you have to a clean string
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> 1 or 2
[19:22] <jijdaar> yes, I hope to get a good one...
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[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> paste a few bad ones we can usually fix manually
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> 1468 1469 if you have them
[19:23] <jijdaar> $$$$CHEAPO,1462,192122,52.741951,03.305130,19899,9,1,4.24,7*E331
[19:24] <bertrik> the signal appears to be stronger now ;)
[19:24] <jijdaar> $$$$CHEAPO,1474,192358,52.749191,03.31680,17680,9,1,4.16,3*74E0
[19:24] <Upu_M0UPU> checking 1462
[19:25] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly just the checksum thats wrong
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[19:26] <g4fui_martin> Completely vanished here
[19:26] <jijdaar> $$$$CHEAPO,1484,192606,52.757999,03.732880,15994,9,1,4.160*57A0
[19:27] <LeoBodnar> What's up with SP9UOB - is it a glider of some sort?
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> ah there we go you got one jijdaar
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> over wrote my dodgy one
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[19:31] <ibanezmatt13> Reckon CHEAPO's gonna make it to land?
[19:32] <daveake> nope
[19:32] <Upu_M0UPU> only if it lands on a ferry
[19:33] <ibanezmatt13> oh dear...
[19:34] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: I have finally made my code bombproof :) I completely changed it and I included that "while not" we talked about. Now, even if I completely disconnect the GPS and reconnect it in every way possible, it still always works. I'm really pleased :)
[19:34] <daveake> good :)
[19:34] <ibanezmatt13> Only issue I need to rectify now is that power problem, at least I assume it's a power problem
[19:35] <daveake> this stuff is well worth doing
[19:35] <daveake> It's a "noisy voltage to NTX2" problem
[19:35] <bertrik> quickly drifting down here
[19:35] <ibanezmatt13> When the program was running, the NTX2 dial tone was shifting frequency quite a bit. Yet, if I pulled out the GPS, it was fine. So, dl-fldigi can still decode everything, but the signal could be better.
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> For this test, I was powering both NTX2 and GPS off Pi Model A, so that could be the reason (I didn't have access to my regulators at the time).
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu_M0UPU
[19:37] <Upu_M0UPU> evening Lunar
[19:37] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[19:37] <ibanezmatt13> Also, I've added three LEDs to my circuit: One flickers to show the serial port transmissions, one shows power to the NTX2, and the other shows power to the GPS. It's all starting to take shape :)
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, earlier I asked a question
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> why does a NTX2 with an SMA connector soldered to it have a weaker signal than an NTX2 soldered into a protoboard without an antenna?
[19:43] <Upu> Is there an antenna plugged into the SMA ?
[19:43] <bertrik> the protoboard acts as an antenna I guess
[19:43] <Upu> that basically
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[19:44] <ibanezmatt13> just a quick one, for NMEA sentences, what is the config for reading the data? is it 7N1 or 8N1?
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> on a sort of related topic.
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, not yet
[19:44] <jijdaar> $$$$C@EAPO,1557,194216,52.87751,03.638680,5618,9,1,3.88-1*BCE
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> and that was my thought
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> BBC horizon, camera plus GPS pay
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> payload trackers
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> that the bare connector does not work without an antenna
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> on iPlayer
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> (cats)
[19:45] <Upu> 9600 8N1
[19:45] <LeoBodnar> Does anybody else use LTC3526 step-up converter in their design?
[19:45] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks Upu
[19:45] <Upu> apparently one of my pico GPS boards makes a very brief and unused appearance
[19:45] <Upu> Hey Leo I think I used one yes
[19:45] <Upu> checking
[19:46] <chrisstubbs> jijdaar, almost down! are you still getting anything from it?
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[19:46] <Upu> yes I used one
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> Hi Upu, did you use proper wound inductors with it?
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[19:46] <Upu> COILCRAFT_LPS4018
[19:46] <Upu> is what we used
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> Upu, when opening the port would it be serial.EIGHTBITS, serial.PARITY_NONE, serial.STOPBITS_ONE ?
[19:46] <LeoBodnar> I need a tiny design so I am temped to use 0603 multilayer ones.
[19:46] <eroomde> Upu
[19:47] <Upu> no don't
[19:47] <Upu> had issues with step ups when using those
[19:47] <eroomde> Upu
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[19:47] <LeoBodnar> I see, did you use 1.5V -> 3.3V?
[19:47] <Upu> NCP1401 wouldn't come on with one of those
[19:47] Action: Upu pats eroomde
[19:47] <Upu> -> 1.8V
[19:48] <eroomde> Upu
[19:48] <Upu> let me tell you which one I use on Pava boards
[19:48] <Upu> slightly smaller
[19:48] <LeoBodnar> My design only steps up 1.4V to 1.8V at 80mA of current. I run it with 0805 at the momet with no problems
[19:49] <Upu> http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-data/pdf/AGM0000/AGM0000CE1.pdf
[19:49] <Upu> ELLVGG
[19:49] <Upu> they work well though are slighty more fragile than the Coilcraft ones
[19:49] <jijdaar> lost it finally. Good night!
[19:49] <chrisstubbs> Thank you for tracking jijdaar!
[19:50] <eroomde> Upu
[19:50] <Upu> night jijdaar!
[19:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> jijdaar Good tracking their!
[19:50] <Upu> Evening Ed how can I help ? :)
[19:50] <eroomde> schema ntx3 arduino
[19:50] <eroomde> ?????
[19:50] <Upu> geif code ?
[19:51] <Upu> omg no pi
[19:51] <Upu> DVAEKE!
[19:51] <daveake> wft
[19:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh its going to be another Tree landing for SP9UOB
[19:51] <eroomde> DVEAKE i need to use pi
[19:52] <daveake> r u feeling ok?
[19:52] <LeoBodnar> Thanks Upu, will keep tinkering.
[19:52] <Upu> HOW DO I PI DVAEKE ?
[19:52] <Upu> nps LeoBodnar
[19:52] <eroomde> i know lego
[19:53] <Upu> I have Lego but I don't know how to put bricks together to make car can you tell me ?
[19:53] <eroomde> has to be car
[19:53] <daveake> it's on the wiki
[19:53] <eroomde> i have spray paint so should be easy
[19:53] <Upu> serious face
[19:53] <Upu> still have the car at mum and dads
[19:53] <Upu> wife won't let me keep it here
[19:53] <Upu> collects too much dust
[19:53] <eroomde> which car?
[19:53] <Upu> the Techic one
[19:54] <Upu> http://www.brickpicker.com/images/set_images/brickpicker_set_8880_5.jpg
[19:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Phew nearly there Tom
[19:55] <eroomde> oh nice
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[19:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes back in the trees again Tom
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[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats gliding down!
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> it has landed
[20:00] <SP9UOB-Tom> i'ill try to chase tommorow
[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right on the edge of the wood .....
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[20:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good luck!
[20:01] <m3eav> Anyone know anything about a hastings launch tmrw?
[20:01] <cuddykid> what's the DVAEKE about?!
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[20:03] <cuddykid> have I missed someone coming in here and being a retard?
[20:03] <m3eav> 15:45 free balloon ascent hastings tomorrow?
[20:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> What during the Airshow ?
[20:05] <m3eav> its on NOTAMS
[20:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like it according to NOTAMS
[20:06] <m3eav> yeah same time as air show up the road!!
[20:06] <m3eav> that could be fun!
[20:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps part of the show maybe ?
[20:06] <m3eav> ever tracked a balloon at 600mph horizintally?
[20:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm in London tomorrow so no chance to track
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[20:07] <m3eav> airhsow is on until 6pm baloon is listed as 15:45 until 9pm
[20:07] <m3eav> so maybe after airshow finishes?
[20:07] <cuddykid> Upu: do you sell the dongle pictured here? http://ava.upuaut.net/store/image/cache/data/habamp2-500x500.jpg
[20:08] <Upu> nope cuddykid
[20:08] <Upu> stopped selling thm
[20:08] <m3eav> if it does not go north too much i might get a nice line along the coast to it?
[20:08] <cuddykid> Upu: don't have a spare one that I could pay you for?
[20:08] <Upu> I might have a spare one at work I'd have to check
[20:08] <cuddykid> ok
[20:08] <cuddykid> let me know if you do on Monday please :)
[20:08] <Upu> or
[20:08] <Upu> http://dx.com/p/mini-dvb-t-digital-tv-usb-2-0-dongle-with-fm-dab-remote-controller-92096
[20:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Once its above Beachy Head you will be OK ;-)
[20:09] <cuddykid> actually, never mind, I would need it for tues, so too late either way!
[20:09] <Upu> how come you need one ?
[20:10] <m3eav> SW wind in hastings tomoorw
[20:10] <m3eav> so maybe not
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[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, do you know a good antenna for an SMA connector? or shall I just make a normal 1/4-wave dipole like I did on the first flight and then have a coax cable with connector on the end?
[20:14] <Upu> make a quarter wave Lunar
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[20:15] <GMT> cuddykid ... might be able to get a dongle quickly from a company called Cosycave in the Channel Islands
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> have to look in the lab boxes if we have a matching cable to connect it up
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> hello Bill
[20:16] <wb8elk> Hi from the Great Plains Superlaunch conference
[20:16] <GMT> There's also a NOTAM for a balloon launch from Sheffield some time in the next 4-5 days
[20:16] <fsphil> g'day wb8elk. having fun over there?
[20:17] <wb8elk> trying to find the links to enter new payload and flight data to Spacenear but can't find the links...anyone with that info?... We're doing a lot of flights tomorrow from Pella, Iowa
[20:17] <fsphil> wb8elk: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[20:17] <wb8elk> thanks!!!!
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[20:19] <Upu> evening Bill
[20:19] <cuddykid> Upu: 3 radios on 1 flight, wanted to listen into more than 1
[20:19] <cuddykid> GMT: yeah, got one from there, only probs is don't have terrestrial converter
[20:19] <m3eav> yeah i see that GMT, will watch for hastings and that one too
[20:19] <Upu> ok well if you pay for special delivery I'll lend you one with a HABAmp attached but I will need it back
[20:20] <fsphil> in theory you could listen to all three with one rtl-sdr
[20:20] <wb8elk> Hi Anthony....just demoed your pAVA board and the Max 7 board
[20:20] <fsphil> if they're within 2mhz
[20:20] <wb8elk> planning to fly the Max7 tomorrow
[20:20] <cuddykid> Upu: that sounds a good idea - I'll speak to you later, just going to grab dinner
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[20:20] <Upu> rgr
[20:20] <mfa298> one rtl-sdr and sdr-radio is a good mix
[20:20] <fsphil> would save having extra antennas too
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[20:23] <GMT> okay, time to fire-up the Pi and 'do python' maybe see you all tomorrow ...
[20:24] <wb8elk> A fellow named Derek from the UK is in attendance here at GPSL by the way. He came to learn all about high altitude balloons...I just gave him the links to UKHAS and HABHUB
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[20:25] <Upu> jolly good :)
[20:25] <Upu> Did you get chance to fly the MAX7 Bill ?
[20:25] <wb8elk> Going to fly it tomorrow when we launch all of our 9 GPSL balloons
[20:25] <Upu> super
[20:26] <Upu> let me know if you want APRS importing into Spacenear.us
[20:26] <wb8elk> I have to activate my payloads for Spacenear though...haven't enterered the data yet
[20:26] <wb8elk> WB8ELK-12
[20:26] <wb8elk> is the APRS...would love to have that imported
[20:26] <Upu> can do it now if you want
[20:27] <Upu> done and on the map
[20:27] <wb8elk> how late will you be up yet
[20:27] <wb8elk> thanks
[20:27] <Upu> what time (and zone) are you launchign ?
[20:27] <wb8elk> I'll be flying WB8ELk and WB8ELk2
[20:27] <Upu> I can load up the predictor data too if you want
[20:28] <wb8elk> thanks
[20:28] <wb8elk> I'll enter the payload data fields in about an hour during our conference break
[20:28] <Upu> I guess those two are using UKHAS telemetry ?
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[20:30] <wb8elk> Yes...UKHAS format
[20:30] <Upu> whats the estimate burst alt on -12 ?
[20:30] <wb8elk> One will be your pAVA board like the last flight
[20:31] <Upu> ok cool
[20:31] <wb8elk> approx 100,000 feet
[20:31] <wb8elk> the other is a customized AM modulated 434 MHz with your MAX 7
[20:31] <Upu> be interested to see how you get on with it
[20:31] <wb8elk> But I think it is the same fields as the last flight
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi wb8elk
[20:32] <Upu> yeah do a document, test it (should appear on spacenear.us) then make a flight doc
[20:32] <Upu> and we can approve that
[20:32] <wb8elk> it draws just 15 mA when it acquires track...very nice
[20:32] <wb8elk> We fly at 1200 UTC tomorrw
[20:32] <Upu> you're not even using power saving :)
[20:32] <Upu> I'll be about then
[20:33] <Upu> 1 sec cyclic = 5-6mA
[20:33] <Upu> had a GlobalTop sales rep tell me his GPS modules used less power than the MAX7
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[20:33] <Upu> I think he was comparing to the ublox5 or something
[20:34] <SpeedEvil> Upu: That's 5-6mA reporting a position?
[20:34] <Upu> yep once a sec @ 3.3V
[20:34] <Upu> MAX7C
[20:35] <wb8elk> that included my voltage regulator
[20:35] <wb8elk> so yes...5 to 6 ma...just incredible
[20:36] <wb8elk> took about 2 mins to get a lock...but once locked it worked great on the ground
[20:36] <Upu> yeah they are slower
[20:36] <Upu> but once locked they seem ok
[20:36] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: Globaltop has a problem - it lost fix short after burst and recovers at about 10km
[20:36] <Upu> I've got some on back order anyway
[20:36] <Upu> Well he didn't seem to know the competition
[20:36] <wb8elk> it'll be great to see how it does in flight
[20:37] <Upu> also they have an altitude cap on them, the MTK ones anyway
[20:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> it was confirmed several times
[20:37] <Upu> I'll stick with ublox
[20:37] <Upu> a little more expensive
[20:37] <SP9UOB-Tom> Upu: yes, but they can customize firmware
[20:37] <Upu> but you pay for what you get
[20:38] <Upu> prediction should be set as well wb8elk, I'll load latest weather data tomorrow just shout on here
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[20:41] <ibanezmatt13> ping mfa298
[20:41] <wb8elk> Thanks Anthony....we'll hopefully be lifting off around 1200 UTC tomorrow.
[20:42] <Upu> good luck will be watching
[20:42] <fsphil> having conferences in summer does seem like a good idea
[20:42] <wb8elk> We're launching 8 balloons tomorrow
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[20:42] <Upu> once you've done your document you should be able to upload without approval for testing
[20:42] <wb8elk> www.superlaunch.org
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[20:43] <mfa298> pong ibanezmatt13
[20:43] <Upu> busy arranging ours atm
[20:43] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjh9yvijki371k4/photo%20%283%29.JPG
[20:45] <Upu> looks ok ibanezmatt13
[20:45] <mfa298> from a quick look that seems sensible, but it looks like you'll need to cut some tracks
[20:45] <Upu> yep
[20:46] <Upu> just use a drill in your fingers
[20:46] <ibanezmatt13> yeah sorry, forgot to put that in :) Can I put that same capacitor on the NTX2 too?
[20:46] <Upu> also
[20:46] <fsphil> don't think the ntx2 needs a cap, but no harm
[20:46] <Upu> you can just connect VCC to EN on the NTX2 to turn it on you don't need to run a wire across the board
[20:47] <mfa298> yep, keep wires as short as possible
[20:47] <ibanezmatt13> Oh right, ok, thanks for that info
[20:47] <mfa298> For preference I tend to try and keep wires going horizontal or vertical and flat against the board. Then there's nothing to flap around and get caught.
[20:48] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah that makes sense
[20:49] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xWIMQBe47vM
[20:49] <mfa298> If you've got a variety of colours of wire it can also help to work to some sort of scheme (usually red for power, black for ground, and other colours for other things)
[20:49] <ibanezmatt13> Already sorted that :)
[20:49] <ibanezmatt13> It makes a big difference
[20:50] <ibanezmatt13> arko: That's a nice ad
[20:50] <arko> yeah
[20:50] <arko> haha
[20:50] <arko> i dont remember that many dof's
[20:50] <arko> but still
[20:50] <arko> very cool
[20:50] <ibanezmatt13> it is :)
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[20:57] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0fy1jqqjjod5eq/photo%20%284%29.jpg
[20:57] <ibanezmatt13> That is the stripboard part of the schematic you drew last night
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[20:58] <ibanezmatt13> From the schematic, we are using the Pi's 3.3v line to make the voltage divider aren't we? And the regulated 3.3v to power NTX2 and GPS from batteries?
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[20:59] <ibanezmatt13> I've just realised I sent you the same one again :\
[21:01] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zte8kcchty1e0cb/photo%20%285%29.jpg
[21:01] <ibanezmatt13> that's the right one
[21:03] <daveake> You could connect Pi Rx to the top of the board - just don't cut that particular track
[21:03] <mfa298> yes, Pi's 3v3 for the voltage divider.
[21:03] <daveake> Next, move C1 over to the right so you don't need a wire from it to GND
[21:04] <daveake> Or does the GPS conbnect directly to the board as shown>
[21:04] <daveake> ?
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> yes
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> sorry it's unclear
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[21:04] <daveake> ok leave as is then
[21:05] <ibanezmatt13> It's a bit rough but the NTX2's 4 pins are at the top and the GPS' 4 pins are at the bottom
[21:05] <ibanezmatt13> Without the component itself because I can't draw
[21:05] <mfa298> I'd be tempted to do as daveake suggested and connect the pi rxd line to the top of the board (keep all the matching connections together
[21:06] <mfa298> you could also do it be putting the rxd line next to the txd line and then wire accross the board
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> Which line are we on about here?
[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> Oh I see
[21:07] <mfa298> it also looks like the ntx2 and gps ground are on the same track so if you didn't cut that you don't need one of the wires
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> Ah right, what a coincidence, I didn't intend to do that :)
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> So I shouldn't break out that track, and just have one wire going to ground rail
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[21:19] <anerDev> good night guys
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[21:39] <WILLdude> /join #ubuntu
[21:39] <WILLdude> Sorry.
[21:40] <arko> haha
[21:40] <arko> nice
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[21:47] <cuddykid> this looks a rather good deal.. http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/canon-powershot-a810-16mp-5x-zoom-compact-camera-34-99-argos-1580069
[21:47] <cuddykid> think I'll get one as it can be used with CHDK and takes AAs
[21:47] <cuddykid> should capture much better images than my A570
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[21:53] <Laurenceb_> wow bbc propaganda now at level 11+
[21:53] Action: Laurenceb_ is lolling at the 1930s level crap
[21:54] Action: Laurenceb_ turns off newsnight before he smashes up tv
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> what's it on?
[21:54] <arko> HAHAHA
[21:54] <arko> im sorry, you dont have american news
[21:54] <arko> its not that bad
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> syria
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi arko
[21:55] <arko> hello lunar
[21:55] <Laurenceb_> apparently they are being "bombed by russian air force"
[21:55] Action: SpeedEvil does not watch signals broadcast from broadcasters with a UK TV broadcast licence.
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> and "regime propaganda implicated islamic terrorists in the revolution"
[21:56] <Laurenceb_> first bit from a interviewee (uncorrected) second jem from bbc presenter
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[21:57] Action: Laurenceb_ checks back to youtube where they are openly flying al quada flags
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> arko: armerican news is just lame, at least its not pro government crappy propaganda
[21:58] <Laurenceb_> like the bbc
[21:58] <arko> we dont have news though
[21:58] <arko> we have "entertainment"
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[22:00] <Laurenceb_> weapons companies laughing all the way to the bank
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[22:05] <cuddykid> anyone used the A810?
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[22:31] <omd> nick VK1OD
[22:31] <omd> #nick VK1OD
[22:32] <daveake> /nick ....
[22:32] <Darkside> morning omd
[22:33] <Darkside> it will be a loooong time before it gets near you
[22:33] <Darkside> launching in 2 hours approx
[22:33] <Darkside> time for me to head to the launch site
[22:33] Nick change: omd -> VK1OD
[22:34] <VK1OD> G'day... Owen
[22:34] <Darkside> VK5QI here
[22:34] <Darkside> Mark
[22:34] <Darkside> anyway, i'll be back on when i'm up at the launch site
[22:34] <VK1OD> Hi Mark, I have setup a monitor at Bowral, 100km SW of Syndey. I have not checked the maps yet.
[22:34] <Darkside> cya
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside
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