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[06:36] <arko> I can't wait for the weekend to start
[06:36] <arko> So many final projects to finish!
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[07:17] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2uhehsio68sho6a/VID_20130531_081440.3gp 14.075Mhz USB CW
[07:18] <ibanezmatt13> dire quality, but hey :)
[07:19] <UpuWork> welcome to radio :)
[07:20] <ibanezmatt13> Thank you :) Was I doing the right thing on dl-fldigi?
[07:21] <UpuWork> no idea not watched the video
[07:21] <UpuWork> 1sec
[07:21] <UpuWork> out of focus but looks like a call sign ?
[07:21] <ibanezmatt13> it looked really random, however, it kept repeating things like LZ201 and things like that
[07:22] <UpuWork> if its totally random its probably not what you think it is
[07:22] <UpuWork> if you see CQ CQ CQ
[07:22] <ibanezmatt13> Yes I saw that
[07:22] <UpuWork> thats correct
[07:22] <UpuWork> next time copy the text out to pastebin and link here
[07:23] <ibanezmatt13> At one point they were english sentences. I will do
[07:23] <UpuWork> CQ CQ CQ is requesting a conversation/is anyone listening
[07:23] <ibanezmatt13> Ah right.
[07:23] <UpuWork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQ_(call)
[07:24] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[07:24] <ibanezmatt13> just got this
[07:24] <ibanezmatt13> R JU SSI <BT> GE ES NICE TO T EEE NICE TO MEET UAGN <BT> UR RST 5 6 9 5 6 9 NAME V A S E K V A S E K QTH NR PRAHA NR BRAH A H PWR <VE> T E
[07:24] <UpuWork> Czech Republic, Near Prague
[07:24] <UpuWork> nice
[07:25] <ibanezmatt13> Really? I'm picking things up from there?
[07:25] <UpuWork> signal report
[07:25] <UpuWork> his name and where he is
[07:25] <ibanezmatt13> wow, that's impressive
[07:25] <UpuWork> 14
[07:26] <UpuWork> 14Mhz propagates at certain times of the day, I don't have my book so but it will be bouncing off something a more knowledgable person will be able to advise
[07:26] <ibanezmatt13> I see, thanks Upu :
[07:26] <ibanezmatt13> :
[07:26] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[07:27] <UpuWork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20-meter_band
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[07:27] <daveake> refracting not bouncing :p
[07:27] <UpuWork> haha
[07:27] <UpuWork> damn HAMS
[07:27] <daveake> see I learned summat
[07:28] <ibanezmatt13> In dl-fldigi, on the yellow waterfall, when I see a red line, I guess that's a signal. So am I right in clicking on it to tune into it?
[07:28] <UpuWork> yes can be whether the signal has data in it is another matter
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[07:29] <ibanezmatt13> ok :)
[07:30] <UpuWork> right afk a little
[07:33] <ibanezmatt13> Hopefully I will receive some post today :) Can't wait
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[07:35] <fsphil> it is very neat seeing how far a little radio signal can travel
[07:35] <ibanezmatt13> it certainly is
[07:35] <ibanezmatt13> Hopefully later today I can test transmitting and receiving :)
[07:35] <fsphil> aah your ntx2 inbound?
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[07:36] <ibanezmatt13> hopefully, if the post office shape themselves :
[07:36] <fsphil> they are normally quite prompt here
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[07:36] <ibanezmatt13> they had a problem with my address strangely. Yesterday it was still in the post office so surely it must have left by now
[07:38] <ibanezmatt13> Bacon sandwiches now :) See you later
[07:39] <fsphil> git
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[07:39] <costyn> morning all
[07:39] <daveake> nearly a HABber already
[07:39] <x-f> morning
[07:40] <costyn> heh... that CQ message looks like an awful form of texting combined with bad grasp of the English language :)
[07:40] <daveake> Getting the bacon sorted before a tracker ... he has his priorities right
[07:40] <costyn> haha
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[07:40] <costyn> whee... last day at work :)
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[07:46] <x-f> happy friday!
[07:46] <x-f> June tomorrow already..
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[08:11] <Brace> costyn: HAMs were wrecking the English language before txtspk came along
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[08:17] <Brace> x-f: where did the year go eh?
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[08:18] <costyn> Brace: hehe
[08:18] <x-f> exactly
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[08:22] <surg> is english really a subject or a language once upper-cased..by convention?
[08:22] <surg> shouldn't govmonkies get schooled on such topics before going live on irc?
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[08:23] <surg> (just ends up looking quite unprofessional..And with all those folk unemployed and the fed money so "tight"..)
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[08:24] <surg> well, it ends up looking more like fraud doesn't it, to someone wondering why irc channels are looked at while 9-11-2001 was let to happen
[08:24] Action: daveake picks up his government pass
[08:24] Action: fsphil reports this to his handler
[08:25] Action: daveake calls agent Ed
[08:25] <surg> comes off as a bunch of monkies trying to press down upon 13 yr olds trading mp3 files
[08:25] <surg> rather than doing any real security for manhattan or washington
[08:25] <surg> dunnnittt
[08:25] <fsphil> reply coming in via numbers station now
[08:25] <fsphil> uh-oh, 42
[08:25] <surg> they joked about manhattan on 9-11 too
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[08:25] <surg> what a big clown show there
[08:26] <surg> weren't Ya?
[08:26] <surg> what humourists!
[08:27] <surg> Building 7 your best "altitude" on 9-11 or which are you most proud on
[08:28] Action: surg chomps more corn. yum
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[08:30] <fsphil> there must be something in the water in chicago
[08:30] <daveake> sure is
[08:30] <daveake> we put it there
[08:30] <daveake> how can you forget?
[08:30] <daveake> So at least we know that ignoring him works
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[08:37] <Brace> kickban his ip and hopefully that'll stop im
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[08:38] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: When we have been discussing the Pi's serial in the past, were we talking about hardware serial or software serial?
[08:38] Nick change: b_ -> B-it-b-it
[08:38] <daveake> h/w
[08:39] <x-f> Brace, he's changing them
[08:39] <Brace> x-f: booo
[08:39] <ibanezmatt13> Everywhere I look, hardware serial needs one of these: Serial UART Development Module or equivalent.
[08:39] <daveake> eh?
[08:39] <daveake> You've already done serial in Python, right?
[08:40] <daveake> That's it.
[08:40] <ibanezmatt13> Is that software or hardware serial?
[08:40] <daveake> h/w
[08:41] <fsphil> if it was software, you'd know about it
[08:41] <ibanezmatt13> That's what I was thinking
[08:42] Nick change: Steffann -> Steffanx
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[08:49] <ibanezmatt13> $GPGGA,185639.00,5345.14943,N,00149.07356,W,1,05,1.54,258.5,M,48.1,M,,*4B how do you put the latitude and longitude into Google Maps? I put it in like this: 53° 45.1493', 01° 49.0737' and it said it was in the North Sea. Part of me says that this is probably correct, but if it's on the Wiki?
[08:50] <fsphil> you're 1 45 degrees west
[08:50] <fsphil> that's -1 degrees
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[08:50] <fsphil> west of 0 degrees is negative, east is positive
[08:50] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, so 53° 45.1493', -1° 49.0737'
[08:51] <fsphil> yea
[08:51] <fsphil> it's a really silly format that
[08:51] <ibanezmatt13> yeah that works, just south of Bradford, thanks :)
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[08:54] <UpuWork> don't mention the B word
[08:54] <UpuWork> its Halifax
[08:54] <griffonbot> @daveake: Starting to plan this flight .... http://t.co/IPyaKTFuM7 #raspberry_pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/340390870480220160]
[08:55] <ibanezmatt13> haha :) sorry
[08:56] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: Do you reckon the stuff will be on its way?
[08:56] <UpuWork> I have no idea ibanezmatt13 its the post office I'm afraid
[08:56] <UpuWork> have you have some post this morning already ?
[08:57] <ibanezmatt13> packages usually come in the afternoon. You say it's still in the post office?
[08:58] <UpuWork> Item BY121395828GB was posted at 4 The Parade BD16 1RP on 29/05/13 and is being progressed through our network for delivery.
[08:58] <ibanezmatt13> So it could have left the post office and be on it's way?
[08:59] <fsphil> only the postman knows
[08:59] <fsphil> well hopefully
[08:59] <ibanezmatt13> :) It should be on it's way
[08:59] <daveake> Our postman has a second job as an electrical system tester
[09:00] <daveake> (you can do your own punchline)
[09:00] <daveake> perhaps you can't ... :p
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> I'm sorry, I don't have a punchline :)
[09:01] <daveake> postman PAT
[09:01] <fsphil> oh dear
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> oh god
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[09:01] <daveake> worth the wait, no?
[09:01] <HixWork> too early for that lark
[09:01] <ibanezmatt13> yes it was, well done :)
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[09:02] <fsphil> it's all in the delivery
[09:02] <HixWork> groan
[09:02] <HixWork> these pund really are second class
[09:02] <HixWork> *puns
[09:02] <ibanezmatt13> that was excellent
[09:03] <fsphil> really pushing the envelope there
[09:03] <ibanezmatt13> good one
[09:04] <HixWork> we need to stamp this out, frankly
[09:04] <fsphil> I dunno, bad puns are a part and parcel of this channel
[09:04] <HixWork> people nedd to control their posts
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[09:06] <gonzo_> will you guys just wrap it up!
[09:06] <ibanezmatt13> brilliant
[09:06] <fsphil> you seem to have your letters mixed up HixWork
[09:06] <daveake> It's all in the delivery
[09:06] <gonzo_> such a good delivery he has
[09:07] <daveake> beat ya
[09:07] <HixWork> I am aware of this, and thanks to zeusbot, my posts are recorded
[09:07] <fsphil> beat you both :)
[09:07] <daveake> doh!
[09:07] <daveake> :(
[09:07] <fsphil> first class
[09:07] <gonzo_> a great collection of puns
[09:08] <gonzo_> all in one package too
[09:08] <HixWork> somebody postcode instead of this terrible punnage
[09:08] <daveake> I was PIPped to the post
[09:08] <fsphil> I think we've addressed all the issues
[09:09] <ibanezmatt13> HixWork: Here's some code https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/5683781
[09:10] <gonzo_> well we have been thinking out of the box, and stringing it along
[09:10] <gonzo_> you have my seal of approval
[09:11] <HixWork> enough, before i dispatch you all
[09:12] <ibanezmatt13> If my NTX2 and GPS can get here as quick as you lot thought of those puns, I'll be mightily impressed
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[09:17] <HixWork> ewww- i just caught myself working
[09:18] <HixWork> this gist thing, when you post code, does it remain attached to your git account?
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[09:29] <Brace> HixWork: and I thought I could be lazy...
[09:29] <HixWork> Uh?
[09:30] <Brace> the 'ewww- I just caught myself working' comment
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[09:31] <HixWork> not lazy, purely proinciple
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[09:31] <HixWork> *principle
[09:31] <HixWork> I have nothing to do and just made something. Fool
[09:33] <Brace> lol
[09:36] <fsphil> despite being off on Monday it's still been a long week here
[09:37] <HixWork> snap - past three days I've been the only one in my offivce, though other peeps still walk through so have to be on guard :/
[09:38] <costyn> did the channel troll leave again?
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[09:39] <costyn> isnt there a 'silence' irc command where you take away someone's right to talk?
[09:39] <Steffanx> No he is back costyn :P
[09:39] <Steffanx> There is costyn
[09:40] <Steffanx> There is a mute option or just ban without a kick :)
[09:40] <Steffanx> And you can use ignore of course
[09:40] <costyn> Steffanx: yea mute sounds good
[09:41] <Steffanx> To which troll are you refering btw?
[09:41] <costyn> Steffanx: the policital/tinfoilhat guy
[09:41] <Steffanx> No mr L....b__ ?
[09:42] <costyn> Steffanx: no
[09:42] <Steffanx> *Not
[09:42] <costyn> there's a guy who comes in at times spouting political nonsense
[09:42] <nick_> Doesn't mute mute everyone who is not +v?
[09:42] <Brace> annoyingly he keeps on changing his nick
[09:43] <costyn> maybe he's a bot :)
[09:43] <nick_> But connects from the same/similar IPs?
[09:43] <Brace> nick_: yeah, that's how it works, but it'll clobber folk who just hop on to ask a question
[09:43] <Brace> nick_: apparently not
[09:43] <nick_> Yeah, so I wouldn't suggest muting the channel.
[09:43] <Steffanx> There is also a mode you can give to a certain user, but when the user changes it all the time it wont work
[09:43] <nick_> Who has ops hee?
[09:43] <nick_> here
[09:43] <HixWork> has the nutter been back?
[09:44] <costyn> nick_: eroomde does
[09:44] <Brace> HixWork: yeah, he was on this morning
[09:44] <Brace> different nick, same crap
[09:44] <costyn> HixWork: yea from 9:22 to 9:27
[09:44] <HixWork> I've not seen that level of gibberish and paranoia since "fear and loathing in Las Vegas"
[09:44] <costyn> HixWork: lol
[09:44] <nick_> OK
[09:44] Action: HixWork checks logs for a laugh
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[09:45] <x-f> ^ now he left
[09:45] <costyn> the last lines really look like he's a bot, although the first time he came on he did seem to respond to people saying things to him
[09:46] <Steffanx> there are smart bots
[09:46] <Steffanx> :P
[09:46] <costyn> true
[09:47] <Steffanx> Anyway, your problem is not him being here, but you(r) talk to him
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[09:47] <HixWork> i sall i see
[09:47] <HixWork> ahh CET costyn?
[09:47] <costyn> HixWork: err... dunno, I just subracted 1 hour from my time
[09:47] <costyn> HixWork: which I assume is your time
[09:48] <costyn> HixWork: his nick was 'surg'
[09:48] <HixWork> got it 08:22
[09:48] <costyn> ah yea the logs might be utc
[09:48] <fsphil> utc makes sense online
[09:49] <HixWork> Zulu ftw
[09:50] <x-f> no love for swatch time?
[09:50] <fsphil> i've no time for it
[09:51] <x-f> on second thought, it wasn't a good idea anyway
[09:52] <HixWork> Oh, very cool http://www.iso1200.com/2013/04/are-you-ready-for-diy-movi-2-axis.html
[09:52] <HixWork> direct brishless stabilised platforms
[09:52] <HixWork> brushless
[09:53] <gonzo_> prefer brish, sounds like a brush with all the brissles worn down
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[09:56] <SpeedEvil> HixWork: yeah, I've been wondering about that
[09:57] <SpeedEvil> modern brush less rc crap has lots of torque
[09:57] <SpeedEvil> and with the right controls, you can microstep it
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[10:02] <HixWork> with something like http://www.hpcgears.com/pdf_c33/12.2-12.13.pdf you could get some really good resolution and bags of torque
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[10:03] <SpeedEvil> I was actually meaning gearless
[10:04] <HixWork> yeah mee too, just thinking of a 2Kg SLR...
[10:04] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[10:08] <HixWork> Though I don't have the balls to fly my Nikon [yet]
[10:09] <fsphil> heh, I'm still too scared to fly my gopro
[10:09] <HixWork> I can live with that, but not Nikon plus glass
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[10:12] Action: HixWork may have just found something to keep him occupied for the day at work :D http://i.imgur.com/eApi1Dz.png
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[10:15] <HixWork> It just gets better http://i.imgur.com/bkWOvLL.png
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[12:06] <ibanezmatt13> Hi, the NTX2 and GPS arrived!
[12:06] <fsphil> woo
[12:06] <ibanezmatt13> However...
[12:07] <fsphil> woo?
[12:07] <fsphil> hopefully you have some resistors too?
[12:07] <ibanezmatt13> I've tried to get the GPS working and I can't :) It's on 3.3V for VCC, it's connected to TXD and RXD on Pi, and GND
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> The program does nothing when it gets to, serial.readline()
[12:08] <daveake> baud rate?
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> 9600
[12:08] <fsphil> tx and rx backwards?
[12:08] <mattbrejza> do you have a serial stick?
[12:08] <daveake> txd and rxd wrong way round?
[12:08] <daveake> did the serial port open ok? did you test the result of opening it to find out?
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> yeah serial opened fine, I had it print "hi"
[12:09] <daveake> ok
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> TXD and RXD right way round. I'm right in thinking it's pin 8 TXD and pin 10 RXD on Pi?
[12:09] <griffonbot> @ukscone: RT @daveake: Starting to plan this flight .... http://t.co/IPyaKTFuM7 #raspberry_pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/ukscone/status/340439950082310144]
[12:09] <daveake> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[12:10] <fsphil> the rx of the gps will go to the pi's tx pin
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> oh, in that case, wrong way round :\
[12:10] <fsphil> gps tx to pi rx
[12:10] <daveake> 'cos one talks the other one listens
[12:10] <daveake> and vice versi
[12:10] <ibanezmatt13> take 2...
[12:10] <fsphil> you are not the first to have them backwards
[12:10] <fsphil> and will not be the last :)
[12:11] <fsphil> heck I still do it
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> still nothing...
[12:11] <daveake> It's a good job that Tx-Tx doesn't make the magic blue smoke escape
[12:11] <fsphil> try reading one character at a time, and printing it to the display
[12:12] <daveake> We'd all be in trouble
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> so gps.readline(1) ?
[12:12] <fsphil> don't think so
[12:12] <fsphil> probably just read
[12:12] <fsphil> readline probably waits for a newline character before returning (\n)
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> gps.read()
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> ?
[12:13] <fsphil> google it, but at a guess gps.read(1)
[12:14] <fsphil> it's also worth testing that there is 3.3v at the gps module
[12:14] <fsphil> if you have a multimeter
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> I just ran the program and got an error saying, resource temporarily unavailable?
[12:14] <fsphil> which you should have
[12:14] <daveake> If not buy one :)
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> yeah I have one, VCC = 3.3v?
[12:14] <fsphil> it should be, or near enough
[12:14] <daveake> Well, you said "It's on 3.3V for VCC,"
[12:14] <daveake> So that would be a yes :)
[12:15] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, multimeter says its ok
[12:15] <fsphil> probably something simple then in software
[12:15] <daveake> Well double check Tx -> Rx and Rx -> Tx
[12:15] <daveake> then upload your code
[12:15] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[12:17] <ibanezmatt13> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/5684603
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[12:18] <daveake> looks fine, but dunno what the sleep is there for
[12:18] <fsphil> you don't need to keep re-opening the serial too
[12:18] <ibanezmatt13> Just so I have time to read them :)
[12:18] <ibanezmatt13> Should I flush it?
[12:18] <fsphil> could open it before going into the loop
[12:19] <fsphil> gps data doesn't display all that fast
[12:19] <daveake> Well he'll need to close and reopen when he does the NTX2 side
[12:19] <fsphil> ah yes
[12:19] <daveake> So he might as well do it in the loop
[12:20] <daveake> remove the sleep then you'll see all the GPS sentences as phil says it's not that fast
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[12:20] <daveake> but meanwhile that code looks fine check your connections again
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> still nothing, I'm sure connections are fine
[12:21] <daveake> Oh, and you relly really ought to test that the serial port opened ok
[12:21] <daveake> do that in the code, and for now if it fails just say so and exit
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> it definitely opens ok, I'm sure of that. It wont read the GPS properly. I'll recheck everything
[12:22] <daveake> Otherwise, one day you'll put this on a new SD card and forget to switch off getty and you'll wonder why it's not working
[12:22] <daveake> test it in the code <<<---- do this trust me on this
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> In fact...
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> I reflashed the OS onto the card yesterday...
[12:22] <daveake> dum de dum de dum
[12:23] <ibanezmatt13> I'll have a look at doing that now
[12:23] <daveake> please
[12:23] <daveake> maybe python will just bomb your program anyway if the open fails - I dunno. But it's good practice to test this stuff
[12:24] <daveake> if you run "ps -ef | grep AMA" that'll show if getty is running on the serial port
[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> I'll run that now
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[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> Ok, it returned some tuff.
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[12:24] <ibanezmatt13> stuff
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[12:28] <ibanezmatt13_> I've edited the serial files, I'm gonna reboot and retry it
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[12:29] <ibanezmatt13_> I am receiving NMEA strings!
[12:29] <x-f> woo!
[12:29] <daveake> :)
[12:29] <GW8RAK> Success!
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13_> Can anybody remember how to disable certain NMEA sentences in python?
[12:30] <ibanezmatt13_> https://gist.github.com/ibanezmatt13/5663226 is that it at the top?
[12:30] <SpeedEvil> depends on your GPS
[12:31] <daveake> I use the strings from jcoxon's guide and those have worked with all the ublox 5/6 modules I've used
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13_> Once I've disabled them, will I not need to do it again. I.e, can I disable out of the loop?
[12:32] <daveake> Not sure why you have ublox stuff in a file called "bestimage.py" tho ...
[12:32] <daveake> You can just send them once
[12:32] <daveake> when your program starts
[12:32] <ibanezmatt13_> I never name my files correctly. I'll try them now
[12:32] <daveake> Well it's good habit to get into
[12:32] <daveake> And function names
[12:33] <daveake> Otherwise when you work on code with others they'll get very confused
[12:33] <ibanezmatt13_> Yeah, I'll rename the final code, hab.py :)
[12:33] <daveake> that's, erm, specific ,.
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[12:35] <ibanezmatt13_> It doesn't look like that worked. It's not returning the one I want... Where is this jcoxon guide?
[12:36] <Brace> ibanezmatt13_: it's probably the one in the wiki
[12:36] <ibanezmatt13_> ah right, I'll check now
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[12:38] <x-f> ibanezmatt13_, GPS doesn't return anything now?
[12:39] <ibanezmatt13_> yeah it returns lots of things, just not the GPGGA sentence I want :)
[12:40] <ibanezmatt13_> Are the commands for disabling the same for every language?
[12:40] <x-f> yes
[12:40] <x-f> they're GPS specific
[12:40] <fsphil> gpgga should be in there too
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[12:41] <ibanezmatt13_> do I have to have the \r\n at the enter of each command?
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[12:41] <x-f> yep
[12:41] <x-f> or use writeln
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[12:45] <ibanezmatt13> Thank you all very much :)
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[12:53] <ibanezmatt13> Ok, so I'm now gonna try and set up the NTX2. The problem is, the tutorial on here is for an Arduino so all the resistor values are for +5V on the serial, Pi isn't. How shall I calculate the new resistor values?
[12:53] <ibanezmatt13> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[12:55] <UpuWork> value for 3.3v are on there
[12:55] <ibanezmatt13> oh right, didn't see them. It's here Upu!
[12:57] <ibanezmatt13> UpuWork: So I can safely use the same resistor values?
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[12:59] <UpuWork> you can but the shift may be out a little
[12:59] <UpuWork> (For 3.3v somewhere round 32k)
[13:02] <chrisstubbs> from what i remember with my pi/ntx2
[13:02] <chrisstubbs> 20k gave me 400hz and 40k gave me 800hz
[13:02] <chrisstubbs> so 32k should be 600hz
[13:04] <chrisstubbs> sorry that was probably the other way. 20k = 800 40k = 400
[13:10] <HixWork> I used 39K at 3v3 with no probs shift was around 450 from memory
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[13:18] <chrisstubbs> 32k gives 452hz @ 3.3v
[13:19] <iain_G4SGX> Hi guys, working on the TX part currently, all looking good apart from the CRC check, too much maths. Is (CRC-CCITT-16 0x1021) the correct CRC to implement?
[13:22] <UpuWork> yes
[13:22] <UpuWork> don't use XOR or people will point at you
[13:23] <costyn> and laugh?
[13:23] <jonsowman> and stab
[13:23] <HixWork> mumble
[13:24] <jonsowman> lol
[13:24] <iain_G4SGX> OK, just seen a few versions quoted, with different hex values. Will try not to show myself up with such a rookie error now Ive been warned!
[13:25] <gonzo_> there are some duff online crc calculators about. So don't rely on them to check your calcs
[13:25] <gonzo_> are you writing your own code or usiilg libs?
[13:25] <gonzo_> using
[13:26] <iain_G4SGX> Adapting some assembler I've found for a similar device I think
[13:26] <gonzo_> I have some C routines that would prob convert to asm pretty easilly
[13:26] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/Fzujo
[13:27] <iain_G4SGX> If all else fails an inline C function, but hopefully not
[13:30] <gonzo_> http://pastebin.com/Pw61aVjW
[13:30] <gonzo_> that is kist bool and shifts
[13:30] <gonzo_> just
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[13:31] <gonzo_> preset the global crc value and the fn is called each byte
[13:31] <gonzo_> but recon that would asm'ify nicely
[13:33] <iain_G4SGX> Thanks, looks neat, will check it out. Jeez I hate maths..
[13:33] <gonzo_> me too
[13:34] <gonzo_> of all the routines I looked at, that was the simplest and most readable
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[13:37] <iain_G4SGX> It looks like the method is very similar if not the same as the asembler routines I'm looking at.
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[13:59] <gonzo_> I like to be able to visualise the asm that the compiler creates
[14:00] <gonzo_> even if I don't actually look at the list files
[14:00] <gonzo_> what processor are you using btw?
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[14:20] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: HABE Lab payload box - will hold experiments + tracking equip #ukhas http://t.co/hy8sz7QTKy [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/340472837754212352]
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[14:25] <ibanezmatt13> For the NTX2, VCC = 5v. On the example http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 it is assumed that GPIO is 5v too. So for my Pi, because GPIO won't be 5v, are there resistor values still OK?
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[14:28] <Randomskk> ibanezmatt13: they'll want changing to keep the shift the same
[14:29] <ibanezmatt13> I'm not sure how to calculate the values though?
[14:31] <daveake> 4k7 / 4k7 / 30k
[14:31] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
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[14:33] <nigelvh_> Morning peeps
[14:35] <x-f> morning, nigel
[14:35] <ibanezmatt13> I may be wrong, but the picture on that guide http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2 looks different from the schematic above it
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[14:41] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, it's not geometrically the same but if you look, one resistor goes to vcc, one to ground and t'other to the pin
[14:42] <HixWork> it's just a tidy way of doing the circuit on the bb
[14:42] <ibanezmatt13> ah right. That makes sense
[14:42] <ibanezmatt13> Any idea what a 30k resistor looks like :)
[14:42] <daveake> orange black orange
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[14:43] <ibanezmatt13> thought so. Just worked it out, thanks :)
[14:44] <daveake> or orange black black red on the new-fangled ones :p
[14:45] <zyp> you almost sounds like you don't like precise resistors :)
[14:45] <daveake> Well I thought I'd learnt all this stuff when I was 10; don't like surprises :p
[14:47] <ibanezmatt13> looks like I have every resistor in the world apart from 30k
[14:48] <cuddykid> make 30K from what you have then
[14:48] <ibanezmatt13> will do :)
[14:48] <cuddykid> always takes forever going through the resistors to find the right one
[14:49] <ibanezmatt13> I have a 33K resistor, will that be ok. On the tutorial, he recomends 32?
[14:50] <cuddykid> what's this for?
[14:50] <ibanezmatt13> NTX2
[14:50] <cuddykid> should be fine
[14:50] <ibanezmatt13> :) thanks
[14:51] <cuddykid> provided your shift is >300 then you're good
[14:51] <daveake> You'll just get a slight smaller shift
[14:51] <cuddykid> I remember I got my resistor values wrong on first tracker.. ended up with 850 shift
[14:51] <daveake> which doesn't matter at all
[14:52] <ibanezmatt13> Ok, circuit built. Ready to hook up to pi :)
[14:52] <cuddykid> I wonder how many ntx2s have been sold for habbing purposes
[14:52] Action: fsphil stands back
[14:52] <cuddykid> probably in the 1000s
[14:53] <gonzo_> how many actually flew
[14:53] <ibanezmatt13> So, I'm going to the Pi's TX pin?
[14:54] <cuddykid> yup
[14:54] <cuddykid> uart
[14:54] <ibanezmatt13> yep, thanks
[14:58] <HixWork> you have to remember that resistors have tolerance oftern 5% so the difference between 30 and 33k could be marginal in real life
[14:58] <nigelvh_> Assuming their errors are towards each other.
[14:58] <ibanezmatt13> OK, so I tuned in on my receiver and I heard data, but it had a lot of noise
[14:58] <iain_G4SGX> gonzo:18F67J94.. soz been in garden.
[15:00] <HixWork> for breadboarding, wouldnt a pot make more sense
[15:01] <HixWork> get shift you desire then measure actual resistance of each part
[15:02] <ibanezmatt13> That's a really good idea, I'll wire one up :)
[15:02] <ibanezmatt13> How can I work out the shift? Is it given in dl-fldigi
[15:02] <HixWork> yoiu'll see it on the waterfall, distance between the lines
[15:02] <ibanezmatt13> ah ok, thanks
[15:03] <fsphil> hopefully you are getting two lines
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[15:04] <ibanezmatt13> 2 lines with a massive shift
[15:04] <HixWork> ikarus, maintain flight level 450 :)
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[15:05] <HixWork> does the pot work to cange the shift ibanezmatt13
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[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> Hi, my internet went down
[15:32] <ibanezmatt13> So I have some pots, but I'm not sure how to use them with my NTX2.
[15:32] <eroomde> cool story bro
[15:32] <eroomde> as they say on the internet
[15:32] <eroomde> where we are
[15:33] <ibanezmatt13> haha
[15:33] <eroomde> the way to do it would be thus:
[15:33] <eroomde> the pot as the legs
[15:33] <eroomde> attach the outer two to VCC and gnd
[15:33] <eroomde> aqttach the middle one to the ntx2 input line
[15:34] <ibanezmatt13> Input?
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[15:35] <HixWork> the line that goes to the ntx2 as in the one that connected to the resistor that wasnt on GND or VCC
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[15:36] <eroomde> the data-in line to the ntx2
[15:36] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I've got a 50k, one
[15:37] <eroomde> sorry for lagginess, am on a moving bus
[15:37] <eroomde> v patchy net connection
[15:37] <ibanezmatt13> fully rotated clockwise would be 50k right?
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[15:37] <eroomde> *probably* but i would always measure your specific device
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[15:39] <eroomde> do you have a multimeter?
[15:39] <ibanezmatt13> yep
[15:39] <ibanezmatt13> This really isn't easy
[15:40] <eroomde> :)
[15:40] <eroomde> it's just an opportunity to learn more stuff
[15:40] <ibanezmatt13> it is
[15:41] <mattbrejza> 'isnt easy' is soldering 0.5mm QFN by hand
[15:41] <Laurenceb> thats easy
[15:41] <mattbrejza> when you havnt made the pads big enough
[15:41] <HixWork> ublox is more of a bitch imho
[15:41] <mattbrejza> and the IC isnt that flat against hte board
[15:41] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, http://goo.gl/0QkBF
[15:41] <eroomde> 0.5mm pads? looxureh!
[15:41] <HixWork> thought don't take the title personally
[15:41] <Laurenceb> ic what you did there
[15:42] <HixWork> *though
[15:42] <eroomde> ublox should be easy?
[15:42] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[15:42] <eroomde> everything is impossible with a decent iron with a decent tip
[15:42] <eroomde> but if you have those two i'd have though it'd be fine
[15:42] <mattbrejza> HixWork must just have a crappy iron
[15:42] <eroomde> without*
[15:43] <mattbrejza> microscope is also nice, but not needed for the ublox
[15:43] <mattbrejza> pads are miles apart
[15:43] <eroomde> i didn;t use a microscope for 0.4mmm qfm the other week
[15:43] <HixWork> ayoyue [sp] with a 0.2mm conical tip
[15:43] <eroomde> just had a beer to steady my coffee hands
[15:43] <eroomde> and had mozart on radio 3
[15:43] <mattbrejza> yea but when you use it once you want to use it for everyithng
[15:43] <eroomde> and lots of light
[15:43] <HixWork> fine for TWFP i just cant get on with ublox
[15:44] <HixWork> TQFP
[15:44] <eroomde> HixWork: did you hasve difficulty making the solder melt and flow?
[15:44] <mattbrejza> flux is item #3
[15:44] <HixWork> nope - just difficulty stopping it making the break to the next pin
[15:45] <ibanezmatt13> this is what I'm getting https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeog8u5lkm0f2l0/WP_20130531_150635Z.mp4
[15:45] <ibanezmatt13> There are two lines, just two not very good lines
[15:45] <eroomde> flow?hmmm
[15:46] <ibanezmatt13> Plus, I just randomly hit an RTTY op mode
[15:46] <eroomde> ust 0.2mm is actually very fine
[15:47] <HixWork> http://stratosvision.com/img/opt/IMG_0028 is how my TQFP soldering looks
[15:48] <eroomde> and though it seems intuitive to want fine tips for smd, i find a bigger tip helps a lot because of the themral mass
[15:48] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: that looks like a really fast baud rate
[15:48] <ibanezmatt13> 300?
[15:48] <eroomde> and volume to surface area ratio
[15:49] <mattbrejza> this is probably the most fiddly thing to solder: http://uk.farnell.com/bourns/cay10-510j4lf/resistor-array-4res-51ohm-5-0805/dp/2112799?Ntt=2112799
[15:50] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: sounds even a bit fast for that
[15:50] <eroomde> try 0402 ones of them!
[15:50] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: or your volume is too high
[15:50] <ibanezmatt13> volume?
[15:51] <mattbrejza> na 0805 was bad enough
[15:51] <ibanezmatt13> volume as in how much I'm sending?
[15:51] <fsphil> as in audio volume from the radio
[15:52] <ibanezmatt13> that makes sense :) I'll turn it down a little
[15:53] <mattbrejza> actually not sure what size i soldered :/
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[15:54] <cuddykid> an hour styrofoaming
[15:54] <cuddykid> 2 more payload boxes cut
[15:55] <fsphil> yay
[15:55] <cuddykid> worst bit is cutting the damn holes for gopros
[15:55] <fsphil> I bet it's everywhere now
[15:55] <HixWork> hot apple corer
[15:55] <fsphil> I've a wire cutter for the outside
[15:55] <cuddykid> styrofoam so I'm ok :) it it was polystyrene I'd be coated in the little bits
[15:55] <fsphil> oh right, I can't read
[15:55] <ibanezmatt13> fsphil: still sounds fast, I've set 50 baud
[15:56] <cuddykid> problem is the go pros are such wide angle and my payload box walls are a couple of cm thick - needs a lot of sanding to avoid being in shot
[15:56] <fsphil> I'm not sure the Pi can do 50 baud
[15:56] <cuddykid> yeah, problems occur at 50, stick with 300
[15:56] <ibanezmatt13> back to 300.
[15:56] <cuddykid> also, ensure you've set 2 stop bits
[15:57] <cuddykid> otherwise won't work
[15:57] <daveake> I ad buffery issues at 50, when swapping between 50 for the radio and 4800 for the GPS
[15:57] <daveake> had
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[15:57] <ibanezmatt13> ok, the two lines look really bad now
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[15:57] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: I'm using 4.7k / 4.7k / 33k
[15:58] <daveake> good for you
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> VCC is 5v
[15:58] <daveake> :)
[15:58] <daveake> no it isn't
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> is it not?
[15:58] <daveake> it is not
[15:58] <daveake> any more variations? :)
[15:58] <ibanezmatt13> so NTX2 VCC and EN should be 3.3v
[15:58] <fsphil> nay it ain't
[15:59] <daveake> Well
[15:59] <daveake> Supply to the NTX2 is one thing
[15:59] <daveake> The "data" signal is something else
[15:59] <daveake> You can power the NTX2 from 3.3 or 5v
[15:59] <daveake> Doesn't matter as it has its own regulator
[16:00] <ibanezmatt13> So the NTX2 is getting 5v currently on its VCC and EN line. The pi's TX is connected to the NTX2, should be ok, unless I've wired it wrong
[16:00] <number10> hydrogen balloons incident http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0a_1369970446
[16:00] <daveake> The shift however is determined by the voltage shift at the data input, and that's down to the logic levels on the Pi (3.3V) and those resistors
[16:00] <cuddykid> anyone know of a cheaper cutter than this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steinel-Styrofix-Hot-Knife-Blade-Wire-Foam-EPS-Polystyrene-Cutter-Styrofoam-/230981196413?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item35c78d5a7d
[16:01] <ibanezmatt13> so it's likely the resistors that are messing it up
[16:01] <daveake> oops
[16:01] <daveake> messing it up? What's wrong?
[16:01] <fsphil> hmm that's odd number10, I don't see what set it off
[16:02] <ibanezmatt13> it's not working properly.
[16:02] <number10> I suspect just one of the foil ballons burst
[16:02] <daveake> need more data
[16:02] <fsphil> ibanezmatt13: have you setup fldigi with the proper settings yet?
[16:02] <fsphil> it won't just work
[16:02] <ibanezmatt13> I've attempted it
[16:02] <fsphil> describe pls :)
[16:02] <daveake> You need to get it to match whatever you've set the Pi to
[16:03] <ibanezmatt13> I've set USB and for the op mode I've tried each of the RTTY modes, not custom...
[16:03] <daveake> baud rate data bits stop bits parity shift in Hz <-- all that
[16:04] <ibanezmatt13> Which parts of dl-fldigi do I need to configure to set this up?
[16:04] <fsphil> all of the rtty bits
[16:04] <fsphil> in custom
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[16:04] <ibanezmatt13> I'll go through it now
[16:04] <fsphil> sounds like you've told fldigi to use 50 baud
[16:05] <ibanezmatt13> what's carrier shift?
[16:05] <cuddykid> finally got myself a hot wire cutter :)
[16:05] <ibanezmatt13> it's set at 600
[16:05] <fsphil> distance between your two frequencies
[16:06] <fsphil> adjust until it matches
[16:06] <ibanezmatt13> and the baud was set at 75! oops
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[16:07] <GW8RAK> ibanezmatt13 - does it sound like two distinct tones or like a rasping sound?
[16:08] <fsphil> 300 baud doesn't really sound like two tones
[16:08] <ibanezmatt13> hard to explain. I can hear the beeping, but it's not how it should be really
[16:08] <ibanezmatt13> 2 stop bits, and 8 character bits?
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[16:08] <fsphil> aye
[16:08] <GW8RAK> True, but my first attempt gave a very rasping pair of signals which were not the intended ones. Shift was about 15Hz
[16:09] <GW8RAK> sorry 1500Hz with a closer together pair
[16:09] <GW8RAK> Have you tuned around the signal ibanezmatt13 to ensure you are on the right signal?
[16:10] <ibanezmatt13> Its on 434.075 on receiver, nothing set in dl-fldigi.
[16:10] <fsphil> it's never exactly where you expect it
[16:10] <fsphil> don't worry about the frequency in fldigi, it's not connected to your radio
[16:10] <GW8RAK> Try tuning from 434.05 to about .1
[16:10] <fsphil> that's only used if your computer can control the radio
[16:10] <ibanezmatt13> ah right. I'll try that now
[16:12] <GW8RAK> A 300 baud signal is about 300Hz wide. Is that for both tones combined or each one?
[16:12] <ibanezmatt13> I've got the signal fine I think. With the shift bars on the waterfall, should the two lines be on the two lines on the waterfall?
[16:12] <fsphil> yes
[16:12] <ibanezmatt13> err, I'll tell you that now
[16:13] <GW8RAK> Last question was for fsphil
[16:13] <ibanezmatt13> each on is about 300, but the left one is really broken up
[16:13] <ibanezmatt13> oh right
[16:13] <fsphil> GW8RAK: 300hz each
[16:13] <fsphil> each signal is modulated at 300hz
[16:14] <fsphil> on average
[16:14] <GW8RAK> That's what I thought. The left tone on the waterfall is only 200Hz wide
[16:15] <fsphil> it won't have a solid edge though
[16:15] <GW8RAK> That's why I was wondering if he's on the right signal
[16:15] <cuddykid> ibanezmatt13: post a screen shot
[16:15] <ibanezmatt13> ok
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[16:16] <GW8RAK> No solid edge, but I've seen 300baud with closer to 300Hz wide signal than that
[16:16] <mattbrejza> a 300 baud signal will have quiet spaces at 300Hz intervals from the carrier
[16:16] <mattbrejza> probably a better way to work out hte baud rate
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[16:16] <mattbrejza> this is harder to see when the other carrier overlaps however
[16:16] <mattbrejza> (which is why 300 baud should be 300 or 600 Hz apart)
[16:17] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k5l4obhsjghtcel/rtty.png
[16:18] <cuddykid> turn your radio down a bit
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[16:18] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[16:18] <cuddykid> those red lines should really be yellow
[16:18] <ibanezmatt13> I thought that
[16:18] <cuddykid> until the diamond bottom right is green
[16:18] <cuddykid> rather than red
[16:19] <fsphil> also turn off SQL
[16:19] <GW8RAK> Turn the volume control down on the radio or reduce the input to the sound card
[16:19] <ibanezmatt13> my tea's ready, I'm sorry but I have to go for now. I will continue troubleshooting shortly, thanks again for the help, shouldn't be too long
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[16:19] <iain_G4SGX> It is decoding repeated strung, just the wrong ones it looks like
[16:19] <GW8RAK> He has tea very early!
[16:19] <iain_G4SGX> *strings
[16:20] <fsphil> he might have the frequencies backwards
[16:20] <mattbrejza> i would be hungry by now if i hadnt been snacking on biscuits all day
[16:20] <iain_G4SGX> 'The right notes, just in the wrong order' :)
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[16:27] <griffonbot> Received email: STRATODEAN "[UKHAS] Re: Request for permission to use images from peoples flights"
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[16:32] <ibanezmatt13> Sorry for the quick departure, my mother was shouting at me
[16:34] <ibanezmatt13> Everything looks like it's set up right, but it's giving me really weird results in dl-fldigi. And, the two lines are red, and the'yre not supposed to be
[16:35] <GW8RAK> The two lines are red because the signal is too strong. Turn it down until the background goes blue/black
[16:36] <ibanezmatt13> volume?
[16:36] <fsphil> do also try tuning the radio up and down a bit
[16:36] <fsphil> didn't we just have this conversation ibanezmatt13? :)
[16:36] <ibanezmatt13> yeah but I had to dash out for tea and couldn't take it all in :\
[16:37] <fsphil> how is your radio connected to the computer btw?
[16:37] <ibanezmatt13> from headphone jack on radio to mic in on pc
[16:38] <fsphil> turn the volume on the radio down
[16:38] <ibanezmatt13> I've turned it down to the lowest notch
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[16:38] <ibanezmatt13> I've made it so that in dl-fldigi, the background is blue/black scattered
[16:38] <ibanezmatt13> but the signal lines are hardly visible now
[16:39] <fsphil> it might not be the right ones then
[16:39] <fsphil> tune around a bit
[16:39] <fsphil> in small steps
[16:39] <ibanezmatt13> on receiver?
[16:40] <fsphil> yep
[16:40] <fsphil> the way we use the ntx2 means the signal won't usually be where you expect
[16:40] <fsphil> it can be +/- 10khz from 434.075
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[16:42] <ibanezmatt13> I can't tell the difference
[16:42] <GW8RAK> Which difference?
[16:43] <ibanezmatt13> I've tried tuning around it and it only really works on 434.075
[16:43] <fsphil> loudest sound there?
[16:43] <mattbrejza> i think based on the screenshot you posted you were tuned correctly
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[16:44] <ibanezmatt13> I'll do another screen shot, I've changed the volume and now the lines look a little strange
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[16:44] <GW8RAK> Does the signal sound less distorted and raspy now?
[16:44] <mattbrejza> try pressing the Rv button bottom right too, it might be that
[16:45] <ibanezmatt13> I'll record it for you, sounds a bit distorted
[16:47] <ibanezmatt13> I pressed Rv and I couldn't notice much difference
[16:47] <cuddykid> Upu: GPS ants are on their way to you
[16:48] <GW8RAK> Radio I'm selling on ebay is up to £125 :)
[16:48] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6fpzzhh0zm1vep4/83.mp4
[16:48] <fsphil> ooh what is it GW8RAK?
[16:49] <GW8RAK> Racal RA1792
[16:49] <fsphil> you're tuned a little too high ibanezmatt13, try retuning so the signal is in the middle
[16:49] <mattbrejza> increase the frequency of the radio by about 1kHz
[16:49] <fsphil> sorry, too low
[16:49] <mattbrejza> it seems some of the signal might be 'going off the edge of the screen'
[16:49] <GW8RAK> I was just going to suggest that
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[16:49] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try that now
[16:50] <fsphil> it does sound alright though
[16:50] <GW8RAK> ibanezmatt13 set the rx to give one of the tones around 1500Hz
[16:50] <ibanezmatt13> so to say 434.076
[16:50] <mattbrejza> yea
[16:50] <fsphil> you'll see the signal move when you do it
[16:51] <fsphil> USB is a little window into the radio spectrum. tuning it really just moves the window up and down :)
[16:51] <GW8RAK> Last of my clearout junk fsphil. Just an HF tx/rx to go
[16:51] <ibanezmatt13> Ok, now I cant hear much apart from noise, and I have no lines on waterfall, that is: 434.0760
[16:51] Action: fsphil looks around at his pile of junk
[16:51] Action: SpeedEvil suspect he has a larger pile of junk.
[16:51] <SpeedEvil> suspects
[16:52] <GW8RAK> is pleased he no longer has a roof full of junk
[16:52] <fsphil> I've got a spare room full of crap
[16:52] <fsphil> and an attic
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: I've recently moved my pile of scrap wood.
[16:52] <fsphil> I don't even know what half of it is. should be dumping most of it
[16:52] <daveake> Move house. That tends to force the issue.
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: The scrap wood is perhaps 200kg.
[16:52] <ibanezmatt13> ok, lines in middle
[16:52] <fsphil> decoding any better?
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[16:53] <fsphil> guess not :)
[16:53] <daveake> hah
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[16:53] <ibanezmatt13> lines are now in middle
[16:53] Action: fsphil glues ibanezmatt13 to the seat
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: This does not count the ton or so of semi-ok wood, and the ton of logs, and the ton of burr wood
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[16:53] <ibanezmatt13> thank you :)
[16:54] <fsphil> brb, food
[16:55] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2u0dyi8qabqm8jo/sdfsd.png that's how it looks now
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[16:58] <daveake> 2 stop bits eh?
[16:58] <daveake> Where did you set that in the code?
[16:58] <ibanezmatt13> err, I didn't...
[16:58] <daveake> my point
[16:59] <cuddykid> cuddykid: also, ensure you've set 2 stop bits :)
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[16:59] <daveake> :)
[16:59] <cuddykid> can't quote properly on this client
[16:59] <ibanezmatt13> this is different code, I have a loop similar to the GPS one but this one does this serial.write("idjfgijdfijdif")
[16:59] <cuddykid> (i don't think)
[16:59] <ibanezmatt13> I thought the stop bits and things were done automatically by serial?
[16:59] <cuddykid> yes, it defaults to 1 stop bit
[17:00] <cuddykid> you need 2
[17:00] <daveake> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13425972/emulating-mark-parity-with-2-stopbits <-- shows how
[17:02] <ibanezmatt13> so when I open serial I do serial.Serial('/dev/ttyAMA0', 300, serial.EIGHTBITS, serial.PARITY_NONE, serial.STOPBITS_TWO) ?
[17:02] <cuddykid> something like that yep
[17:02] <ibanezmatt13> I'll modify the code, back in one min
[17:03] <daveake> this is exciting :)
[17:03] <ibanezmatt13> ok, I've done it
[17:04] <ibanezmatt13> now transmitting with 2 stop bits, no parity and 8 bits character
[17:04] <ibanezmatt13> ITS PARTIALLY WORKING!
[17:04] <daveake> part?
[17:05] <daveake> everything in caps?
[17:05] <ibanezmatt13> It's stopped writing letters on screen. Yes everything caps
[17:05] <GW8RAK> It's shouting
[17:05] <ibanezmatt13> It wrote what I told it to write, butnow it's stopped. How do I start it decoding again
[17:06] <daveake> click in middle?
[17:06] <ibanezmatt13> middle?
[17:06] <daveake> middle of 2 lines
[17:06] <daveake> you still have 2 lines?
[17:07] <ibanezmatt13> my carrier shift may not be right
[17:08] <daveake> set 50 baud in the code then you can see the lines much more distinctly, then you can adjust the gap in fldigi to match, then go back to 300 again
[17:08] <ibanezmatt13> ok
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[17:10] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nuv2g76htay2mp1/dcfv.png
[17:11] <ibanezmatt13> it's working better but still missing out letters
[17:12] <daveake> your gap in fldigi is too wide
[17:12] <ibanezmatt13> i've got it!
[17:12] <daveake> Get the red lines to line up with the strong yellow ones
[17:13] <ibanezmatt13> perfection has been achieved! :D
[17:13] <daveake> Not yet ..
[17:13] <ibanezmatt13> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xq1g0gcilsccut2/yay.png
[17:13] <daveake> ... you might want to get a wider gap for 300 baud
[17:14] <ibanezmatt13> it's on 300
[17:14] <daveake> I know
[17:14] <daveake> but the gap is a bit narrow
[17:14] <ibanezmatt13> oh i see, I'll make it a little bigger
[17:14] <daveake> It's ok for 300 but if you step up to 600 you definitely want it wider
[17:15] <daveake> anyway good job :)
[17:15] <ibanezmatt13> a good job on your behalf and several others, not me!
[17:16] <ibanezmatt13> I've certainly learnt a hell of a lot though :) A very big thank you to you and everyone else!
[17:16] <daveake> We're here to help :)
[17:17] <ibanezmatt13> :)
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[17:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[17:18] <ibanezmatt13> I'm gonna give you all a rest, and I'm gonna go away and try to get the GPS working with the radio myself. Enjoy the weather! Anybody having a barbecue?
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[17:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Question, does silicone have any electrical conductivity?. I dont think so, but does anyone know for sure?
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> in general no
[17:20] <SpeedEvil> what sort of silicone?
[17:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the connection joints on my rotor are old and not watertight anymore, so i want to fill the cover with silicone, so the terminalt are coverded
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> yes,nfine
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> don't use until set
[17:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> sort? well the sort you use to fill the tiles in the bathroom etc
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> it may be very conductive when setting
[17:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes i will let it dry first
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[17:22] <SpeedEvil> it doesn't dry, it sets
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> sigh
[17:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe yes ok
[17:22] Action: SpeedEvil is feeling pointlessly literal today.
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> too much reading crap
[17:22] Action: staylo_ is feeling literally pointless
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[17:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> will go out and fill it, so its ready for tomorrow, thanks-
[17:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> .
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[18:47] <ibanezmatt13> You won't believe this! I've got my program sending GPS data AND SSDV packets over the NTX2 and dl-fldigi is decoding them perfectly. When I say I have the packets working, it transmits GPS, then a load of "stuff" then GPS again. So as programmed the packets are inbetween the GPS! :D
[18:48] <ibanezmatt13> Only issue is, I've no idea how to set up SSDV in dl-fldigi so that it actually forms an image
[18:48] <fsphil> it's automatic
[18:48] <fsphil> click View -> SSDV RX
[18:48] <fsphil> if it's decoding you'll see the image
[18:48] <ibanezmatt13> Let me just find that :)
[18:48] <fsphil> you'd also get a green bar at the top with details of the packet
[18:49] <ibanezmatt13> where's SSDV RX?
[18:49] <daveake> view
[18:49] <ibanezmatt13> it's not on view, I may not have the right version
[18:49] <fsphil> top right of the menu bar
[18:50] <daveake> it'd have to be years old
[18:50] <ibanezmatt13> it's not there
[18:50] <fsphil> yea it's been there for a while now
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> I've got weather fax image rx
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> that's the closest I can find
[18:51] <fsphil> what version are you running?
[18:51] <ibanezmatt13> 3.21.72
[18:52] <fsphil> on mine it's directly above the weather fax image
[18:52] <ibanezmatt13> there's mfsk
[18:52] <daveake> menu
[18:52] <daveake> it's on the menu
[18:52] <daveake> View --> SSDV
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> not on mine
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> I must have an old version
[18:53] <daveake> where did you get that old one?
[18:53] <daveake> A time wormhole?
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> of course :)
[18:53] <ibanezmatt13> I'll try to update it
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> http://www.w1hkj.com/download.html I pressed the top one on windows
[18:54] <daveake> I have 3.21.50and that has it
[18:54] <fsphil> that's fldigi
[18:54] <fsphil> http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[18:54] <fsphil> this is what you want ^^
[18:54] <ibanezmatt13> oh right. I'll install that new one then, give me a few minutes :)
[18:54] <daveake> now we understand :)
[18:55] <fsphil> your screenshot shows dl-fldigi in the title
[18:55] <fsphil> you can't have got that from w1hkj's website
[18:55] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I've had to resort to my laptop
[18:56] <ibanezmatt13> how stupid of me
[18:56] <daveake> I'll predict the next problem ...
[18:56] <fsphil> I hate hardware manufactures that use odd shaped batteries,, and then discontinue them
[18:56] <daveake> ... NL conversion
[18:56] <ibanezmatt13> what would that be?
[18:56] <fsphil> you'll find out :)
[18:57] <fsphil> maybe
[18:57] <fsphil> bet pyserial isn't affected by it
[18:58] <daveake> Yeah agreed
[19:00] <daveake> docs say ...
[19:00] <daveake> "The port is set up for binary transmission. No NULL byte stripping, CR-LF translation etc. (which are many times enabled for POSIX.) This makes this module universally useful."
[19:00] <daveake> sorted
[19:00] <fsphil> this is too easy
[19:01] <fsphil> needs to be harder :)
[19:01] <daveake> Just my thoughts :)
[19:01] <Upu> how are you getting on ibanezmatt13 ?
[19:02] <daveake> flying tomorrow I think :)
[19:02] <ibanezmatt13> Upu: I am currently watching the dl-fldigi screen throw out my GPGGA sentence along with SSDV packets. The SSDV packets thing is working now as the image is starting to build
[19:02] <fsphil> hah
[19:03] <Upu> so theres me about to ask if you had the hi/lo tones working I'll go back to my Whisky
[19:03] <fsphil> do be aware that normally in HAB mode the images are uploaded to the live site
[19:03] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[19:03] <fsphil> you don't seem to be in HAB mode or are offline so you're OK
[19:03] <fsphil> but just something to be aware of :)
[19:03] <ibanezmatt13> Erm, there is a problem. I've only received 3 packets, lost 15
[19:03] <fsphil> you probably started near the end
[19:04] <Upu> I should try this live image malarkey
[19:04] <Upu> How do I Pi ?
[19:04] <fsphil> ask daveake
[19:04] <Upu> daveake ? Gief code kthx
[19:04] <daveake> I can do a class at the conf :)
[19:05] <arko> i'd go to that
[19:05] <fsphil> I might have mine finished by then
[19:05] <Upu> well James did a class on getting started with the Arduino which went down really well
[19:05] <ibanezmatt13> I guess it's pretty impossible to separate the GPS strings from the SSDV stuff when it comes onto the dl-fldigi screen?
[19:06] <daveake> very happy to do it
[19:06] <fsphil> yea the image data appears as gibberish
[19:06] <fsphil> nothing you can do about that
[19:06] <ibanezmatt13> how do people get the GPS on a new line when it's finished coming through
[19:07] <chrisstubbs> add \n to the end
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> oh of course, thanks
[19:07] <daveake> You can throw a \r and \n
[19:07] <fsphil> don't use \r
[19:07] <fsphil> :)
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> what does /r do?
[19:07] <fsphil> nothing
[19:07] <fsphil> but \r is a line feed I think?
[19:07] <ibanezmatt13> ok
[19:07] <daveake> \r = CR
[19:07] <daveake> \n = LF
[19:08] <daveake> Needs both
[19:08] <fsphil> it'll work with just \n
[19:08] <daveake> Otherwise the GPS will be over here
[19:08] Action: daveake disagrees :)
[19:08] <daveake> I thought I tried it
[19:08] <cuddykid> successful pyro fire :)
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[19:08] <daveake> cuddykid How many fingers?
[19:08] <cuddykid> just 1 left ;)
[19:09] <fsphil> all you need to type with
[19:09] <daveake> just enough
[19:09] <cuddykid> indeed
[19:09] <cuddykid> I'm still a little worried about the reliability of these things - I've had a fair few ones that refuse to fire
[19:09] <Upu> you're not doing it right :)
[19:09] <daveake> don't lose the last one
[19:09] <daveake> you'll be stumped
[19:09] <cuddykid> hoho
[19:10] Action: Upu watches a tumble weed go by
[19:10] <cuddykid> Upu: I've double checked the ones that didn't fire - doesn't seem to be any shorting inside
[19:10] <fsphil> thumbs up for that one
[19:10] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SK0QyHcCIw
[19:11] <Upu> are they explosive ones ?
[19:11] <cuddykid> yup
[19:11] <Upu> duff igniters ?
[19:11] <cuddykid> most work
[19:11] <cuddykid> think so
[19:11] <cuddykid> only thing that could possibly be wrong
[19:12] <cuddykid> annoying as there's no way to test them without them going bang
[19:12] <Upu> not the most complex devices
[19:12] <Upu> yeah you can check continuity
[19:12] <Upu> very carefully
[19:12] <cuddykid> hm
[19:13] <daveake> Very carefully, otherwise it's "oh there's continuity <bang> oh there's not"
[19:13] <Upu> via a divider probably
[19:14] <cuddykid> yeah, they do need a good voltage to set them off
[19:14] <cuddykid> as I've got weight room to spare I'm flying 8AAs solely dedicated to firing this damn thing
[19:14] <Upu> eh ?
[19:15] <Upu> they go from a single AA
[19:15] <cuddykid> ?
[19:15] <cuddykid> not mine
[19:15] <daveake> 8??
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[19:15] <daveake> wow
[19:15] <cuddykid> they require 6v min
[19:15] <Upu> nah 1 AA
[19:15] <cuddykid> oh
[19:15] <cuddykid> I'll test tomorrow
[19:15] <Upu> hang on getting a circuit
[19:15] <cuddykid> I was going all out for the max possibility of firing haha
[19:16] <Upu> you could dump 8AA's into some 13A mains cable and it would probably fire
[19:16] <Upu> * it wouldn't I'm being silly
[19:16] <Upu> OK this is untested by me
[19:16] <gonzo_> would need 10 for that
[19:16] <Upu> and from Rob Harrisons original Icarus III board
[19:16] <Upu> http://imgur.com/XHpIvHj
[19:17] <Upu> note ADC4 that links from the pyro via a resistive divider to GND
[19:17] <Upu> so you can check continuity on the micro controller
[19:17] <daveake> good idea
[19:17] <cuddykid> ah
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[19:18] <Upu> restress : check this yourself and assume its going to explode at all times and take appropriate precautions
[19:18] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:21] <ibanezmatt13> How do I set DL-FLDIGI to upload the data to the web so you can track it?
[19:22] <Upu> you need a payload document
[19:22] <Upu> are you transmitting telemetry ?
[19:22] <ibanezmatt13> yep, and images
[19:22] <daveake> No, you're not
[19:22] <ibanezmatt13> aren't I?
[19:22] <daveake> You need to send a telemetry string not just GGA
[19:22] <Upu> raw NMEA isn't telemetry
[19:22] <Upu> you need to parse it into the UKHAS format
[19:22] <ibanezmatt13> ah right, ok
[19:23] <Upu> hi my name is griffonbot and I'm on strike
[19:23] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[19:23] <fsphil> hm
[19:23] <Upu> its broke
[19:23] <Upu> unless its lagged or slip
[19:23] <Upu> split
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[19:26] <ibanezmatt13> for the checksum, can I use the NMEA checksum
[19:27] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, there is a CRC library that can do the checksum calculation
[19:28] <ibanezmatt13> must I install that?
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> err yeah google "crcmod"
[19:29] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[19:30] <ibanezmatt13> so would it be sudo apt-get install crcmod?
[19:31] <cuddykid> Upu: am I correct in thinking the idea behind http://imgur.com/XHpIvHj is to ensure R13 and R14 are large enough to reduce voltage right down so igniter doesn't fire whilst checking continuity?
[19:31] <Upu> I believe so yes
[19:31] <cuddykid> good stuff
[19:32] <cuddykid> I'll rig a similar version up tomorrow - will be interesting to see if it detects all the duff ones
[19:32] <Upu> are you putting black powder round them ?
[19:33] <cuddykid> teah
[19:33] <cuddykid> yeah
[19:33] <cuddykid> I won't be for testing though
[19:33] <Upu> I'd test some just in the open
[19:33] <cuddykid> yep
[19:34] <cuddykid> going to fire it after 3 conseq locks above 28km
[19:35] <chrisstubbs> ibanezmatt13, maybe
[19:36] <chrisstubbs> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/crcmod#installation
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> I've downloaded the .tar.gz file from the website. I can't remember how to install those files in python
[19:36] <chrisstubbs> unzip, cd into it, then do that ^^
[19:36] <ibanezmatt13> the unzipping part
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[19:42] <ibanezmatt13> chrisstubbs: to import it into my program, is it import crcmod?
[19:42] <chrisstubbs> yeah i will pastebin you some code
[19:42] <ibanezmatt13> python codE?
[19:43] <chrisstubbs> yup
[19:44] <ibanezmatt13> good good
[19:44] <chrisstubbs> http://pastebin.com/Q5Huxxgx
[19:44] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[19:45] <chrisstubbs> take a look at that, its a bit crude but try to understand it
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[19:45] <chrisstubbs> you then append checksum onto your datastring
[19:45] <chrisstubbs> oh my bad I // commented it
[19:45] <ibanezmatt13> it's fine :)
[19:46] <ibanezmatt13> I can't understand what it's doing really
[19:46] <chrisstubbs> ok
[19:46] <chrisstubbs> PM
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[19:49] <SpeedEvil> I think I've found a new awesome balloon material.
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> Graphene - has a breaking strain of 55N/m^2
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> 55N/m
[19:51] <ikarus> SpeedEvil: stop trolling the universe
[19:51] <SpeedEvil> It'd be awesome if you could buy it on rolls.
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> Rolled up that is - not as a farnish.
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> garnish
[19:52] <ikarus> SpeedEvil: it's one atom thick, good luck
[19:53] <SpeedEvil> Ok, you'll need some tissue paper in between
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[20:05] <SpeedEvil> Unless I've blown my numbers, a 1m diameter graphene balloon filled with 2cc of helium would float around 50km
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[20:20] <GW8RAK> 0511590045
[20:21] <GW8RAK> ooops wrong box. Online banking log in. Everyone please forget that.
[20:26] <qyx_> ok, forgotten
[20:30] <lz1dev> noted
[20:30] <lz1dev> i mean forgotten
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[20:41] <chrisstubbs> zeusbot never forgets
[20:41] <chrisstubbs> :P
[20:42] <GW8RAK> At least it's not the confidential part
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[20:55] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: BABSHAB launch - Great Tew, Saturday 25th May-Monday 27th
[20:57] <SpeedEvil> GW8RAK: royal bank of scotland?
[20:58] <GW8RAK> Keep guessing
[20:58] <SpeedEvil> Banco Ambrosiano?
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[20:59] <GW8RAK> Bugger. You got it
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[21:02] <chrisstubbs> Lol its all fun and games until GW8RAK sees 100 balloons and a load of helium ordered on next months bank statement :P
[21:03] <GW8RAK> There's feck all money in the account having just paid my VAT bill :(
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[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:40] <chrisstubbs> hey Lunar_Lander
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> hey
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> what do you say about the discussion in the mailing list about photographing stuff hanging from a HAB?
[21:44] <chrisstubbs> must have missed that one, link?
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/ukhas/4SH8KyibwJg
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> starting with Ed's post
[21:52] <anerDev> hi guys !
[21:52] <chrisstubbs> Ah yeah i got lost following some of these long discussions :P
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[21:57] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, you mean Steve's post?
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:58] <chrisstubbs> I see where he is coming from, but still its nice to have some photos to call your own
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> standard photography payload is a nice starting point, but yes it is far more interesting to progress onto different experiments after
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> definately
[22:01] <chrisstubbs> I'm starting to go off the idea of sending up my SSDV payload
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[22:01] <chrisstubbs> the photos from the eyetoy are going to be pants anyway :P
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[22:30] <arko> natrium42: around?
[22:36] <anerDev> good night guys
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[22:44] <Laurenceb__> http://www.cdiweb.com/Manufacturers/maxwell/FP/Ultracapacitor/?type=500&manf=528&cate=528:9&NavType=2#
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[23:34] <SpeedEvil> bargain,
[23:34] <SpeedEvil> only $73/when
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