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[00:02] <nigelvh> Maybe they just hate you.
[00:02] <nigelvh> "This guy sucks, charge him extra"
[00:03] <arko> man it's killing me looking at these ticket prices
[00:03] <arko> for uk trip
[00:04] <Laurenceb_> hmm wtf
[00:04] <Laurenceb_> thanks
[00:04] <nigelvh> Are you still unable to get them to show those prices?
[00:05] <Laurenceb_> i think so
[00:05] <Laurenceb_> maybe some sort of cookie issue..
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[00:05] <nigelvh> Perhaps
[00:06] <nigelvh> Also arko, I'm not sure I've heard of london being a cheap place to be.
[00:06] <arko> yeah i know :(
[00:06] <arko> the cost is too damn high
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[00:07] <arko> i need to get rich, this is becoming a problem
[00:07] <nigelvh> Tell me about it.
[00:12] <W0OTM> howdy
[00:12] <nigelvh> Afternoon
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[00:18] <Laurenceb_> yeah finally got it to accept £63
[00:18] <Laurenceb_> nutty
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> well i can save buy buying cheap crap
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> http://www.wayengineer.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=822
[00:25] <Laurenceb_> *by
[00:25] <nigelvh> Yeah, that's the "Saleae" analyzer all-right.
[00:26] <Laurenceb_> yeah lolz
[00:26] Action: Laurenceb_ zzz
[00:26] <Laurenceb_> cya
[00:26] <nigelvh> Evening
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[01:52] <heathkid> I'm so close to being ready for my first launch... very exciting.
[01:53] <heathkid> hello nigelvh
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[02:00] -:#highaltitude- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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[02:01] <heathkid> I'd be a lot happier with an extremely accurate 2d fix and average out for the 3d
[02:01] <heathkid> alt.
[02:01] <nigelvh_> If you want accuracy, you need DGPS.
[02:01] <heathkid> might not work so well for an airplane though
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[02:51] <heathkid> indeed
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[02:52] <heathkid> but... if you look at astronomy... lower to the horizon it has to go through more crap that right above
[02:52] <heathkid> that's why stars and planets are better to look at when they are high in the sky... better "seeing".
[02:53] <heathkid> less atmospheric interference
[02:53] <heathkid> maybe not the same with sats... I don't know
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[06:16] <nigelvh> Morning UK peeps.
[06:16] <jcoxon> hey nigelvh
[06:17] <nigelvh> How's the morning treating you?
[06:17] <jcoxon> not to bad thank you
[06:17] <jcoxon> jsut woken up
[06:17] <jcoxon> have the weekend off
[06:17] <nigelvh> Nice
[06:17] <nigelvh> Do you not normally have the weekend off?
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[06:36] <jcoxon> nigelvh, unfortnately not
[06:37] <jcoxon> i work a shift system
[06:37] <nigelvh> That stinks. I've done on call stuff, but most of the time I have weekends off.
[06:37] <jcoxon> i'm going to build a packet radio system today
[06:38] <jcoxon> at the hackspace
[06:38] <nigelvh> Oooh, AX.25?
[06:38] <jcoxon> going to start of simple i think
[06:38] <jcoxon> and get it decoding a bit of aprs
[06:38] <jcoxon> as thats easily accessible
[06:38] <nigelvh> Very true.
[06:38] <nigelvh> igate setup?
[06:39] <jcoxon> yeah,
[06:39] <jcoxon> i was thinking of skipping the lovely standard ham programs
[06:39] <nigelvh> Yeah?
[06:39] <jcoxon> with all their buttons
[06:39] <jcoxon> and maybe write my own intereface
[06:39] <nigelvh> What modem would you use?
[06:40] <nigelvh> Or do you have a hardware TNC?
[06:40] <jcoxon> probably go for a hardware tnc
[06:40] <jcoxon> going to start with the code i've got for an AVR
[06:40] <nigelvh> Packet decode on AVR eh?
[06:41] <jcoxon> just finding the link
[06:42] <jcoxon> http://www.bertos.org/use/examples-projects/arduino-aprs/
[06:42] <jcoxon> works pretty well actually
[06:42] <nigelvh> I keep hearing about this bertos thing but have not played with it.
[06:43] <jcoxon> yeah i've had a play with the code
[06:43] <jcoxon> its perhaps a bit more professional then arduino code
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[06:45] <nigelvh> Evening KT5TK
[06:45] <KT5TK> Hi nigelvh!
[06:46] <nigelvh> You're up fairly late.
[06:46] <KT5TK> Finally the holy grail of Si4464 is found
[06:46] <nigelvh> Yes?
[06:46] <Upu> morning
[06:46] <nigelvh> Oh, please bestow on me the secret of the 4464
[06:46] <KT5TK> Couple the VCXO to XOUT instead of XIN!
[06:46] <nigelvh> Really?
[06:47] <nigelvh> That sounds not right....
[06:47] Nick change: 45PAABTM3 -> arko
[06:47] <KT5TK> Yes, I use a 4.7pF coupling capacitor
[06:47] <KT5TK> http://wless.ru/files/433-868Mhz/CD1/Documentation/Application%20Notes/AN417%20v0.1.pdf
[06:48] <KT5TK> This is for an old chip, but it clearly sais XOUT
[06:48] <nigelvh> Yes, it does.
[06:48] <nigelvh> That is very very odd&.
[06:48] <KT5TK> Tested and works great
[06:48] <KT5TK> The Si446x datasheet is simply wrong
[06:48] <nigelvh> Oh Silicon Labs, why must you lie to us!!
[06:49] <Upu> good work KT5TK
[06:49] <Upu> can you make it do APRS now ? :)
[06:50] <KT5TK> I have already written the Si446x driver for my trackuino variant, but I've just soldered the right cap a few minutes ago
[06:50] <KT5TK> I need to start testing some stuff first
[06:51] <nigelvh> That's excellent work!
[06:53] <oh7lzb> Nice!
[06:53] <Upu> you're going to have the smallest APRS tracker for sure soon :)
[06:53] <KT5TK> http://pastebin.com/pJ8nRjqZ
[06:53] <KT5TK> No warranty!
[06:54] <nigelvh> I haven't seen any aprs trackers smaller than his current one.
[06:54] <Upu> nope
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[06:55] <nigelvh> Which is my reminder that I need to make the next revision of my board.
[06:55] <jcoxon> so Upu - is this the chipset of the future?
[06:55] <Upu> hoping so yes
[06:56] <KT5TK> http://pastebin.com/NjRzK4Qg
[06:56] <Upu> tranciever
[06:56] <KT5TK> The header
[06:58] <Upu> back soon
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[07:12] <nigelvh> KT5TK, do you get your 4464's from Mouser as Digikey doesn't have them.
[07:15] <KT5TK> yes, I believe that's where I've bought them
[07:16] <nigelvh> Alrighty. Thanks for pointing me at that document and the tip about the odd pin usage. I think it's finally time to update my board to the 4464. But for now, bed. Have a great evening!
[07:17] <KT5TK> Yes, bedtime for me too
[07:18] <KT5TK> Will do more testing tomorrow. The radio transmits with 100 mW, but I have still something wrong with the frequency setting
[07:26] <KT5TK> The first APRS packets generated by a Si4464: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=KT5TK-2
[07:27] <Upu> looks amazing
[07:28] <Upu> please document it all somewhere for us :)
[07:28] <Upu> going to have some catching up to do
[07:28] <KT5TK> esp the altitude:)
[07:28] <Upu> lol
[07:28] <KT5TK> There is no BMP085 soldered in. That's why
[07:29] <KT5TK> OK, More testing tomorrow.
[07:32] <Upu> bmp085 is eol as well
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[09:19] <fsphil> http://pe1nnz.nl.eu.org/2013/05/direct-ssb-generation-on-pll.html
[09:25] <bertrik> wow
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[09:25] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[09:28] <Maxell> fsphil: thats neat
[09:28] <Maxell> someone should make it into a kit
[09:28] <Maxell> pirates, pirates everywhere
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[09:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi all
[09:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> Ping UpU
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[09:54] <concretedog> hello, I'm interested in buying one of the nxt2 from the HAB shop, it says I should come here and say hello first though!
[09:55] <fsphil> indeedy, you need to have a word with Upu
[09:55] <fsphil> though I don't think he's around atm
[09:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: can You put SR0FLY-11 from APRS to the spacenaear ?
[09:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://cam4net.pl/%7B29E1D97F-1449-4097-9FE3-21F3BDE0F11B%7D?cc=1,
[09:57] <concretedog> no worries I'll keep checking in to catch him
[09:59] <fsphil> checking SP9UOB_Tom
[09:59] <SP9UOB_Tom> tnx
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[10:35] <fsphil> is that a test SP9UOB_Tom?
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[10:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: no actual flight
[10:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: no, actual flight
[10:37] <jonsowman> punctuation saves lives
[10:37] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: it's on now - though it seems to have stopped updating
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[10:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> sr0fly-11 died, but sr0fly-1 stil working
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[10:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> repeater also have problems
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[10:40] <fsphil> changed to -1
[10:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> thanks
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[10:44] <Babs> Morning all - I'm testing my payload, and am on http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ to generate a test doc
[10:44] <Babs> My string being parsed is $$$$$BABSHAB,711,10:44:07,51.46994,-0.19130,58,0,7,5*F3F6
[10:45] <Babs> But it won't register on http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/ i'm getting a Checksum invalid or type unrecognised. Tried xor crc16-ccitt fletcher-16 fletcher-16-256 error
[10:45] <Babs> Can anyone help?
[10:45] <Babs> thanks
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[10:46] <jonsowman> F3F6 is the correct checksum for that strign
[10:46] <fsphil> Babs: the genpayload script only expects two $$'s
[10:46] <jonsowman> you want crc16-ccitt
[10:46] <jonsowman> the habitat parser isn't showing any checksum errors
[10:47] <jonsowman> MainThread: UKHAS parsed data from BABSHAB successfully
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[10:49] <Babs> Hi jonsowman - thanks - so if today I want to test it, see it on the map etc. should i reprogram for the two $$
[10:49] <Babs> or is there a workaround?
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[10:49] <jonsowman> it's already on the map
[10:50] <jonsowman> there's nothing wrong as far as I can tell
[10:50] <fsphil> Babs: just put two $$'s when you paste it into the payload gen
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[10:50] <Babs> ah, I see it. So when I get to posting my flightdoc in a week or so, do I need to do anything else or should it appear on that basis (assuming approved by the team etc.)
[10:51] <jonsowman> no just give us the docid and we'll approve it
[10:51] <jonsowman> it'll use the latest payload config doc
[10:51] <Babs> that's awesome, thanks jonsowman
[10:52] <Babs> I am now in the Apollo 13 phase. Duct tape? Go. Go-pro? Go. Velcro? Go. etc. etc.
[10:52] <Babs> thanks fsphil too
[10:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: can you turn live prediction on ?
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[10:54] <fsphil> can do
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[10:55] <fsphil> what's your predicted burst altitude?
[10:55] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: about 30 km
[10:55] <SP9UOB_Tom> really heavy payload
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[11:00] <Tom> I can see a balloon showing up on spacenear.us in central London.. i assume this is a test transmission as you could not get permission to fly
[11:01] <fsphil> yea it's a test
[11:01] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: on now
[11:01] <fsphil> assuming 5m/s descent
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[11:03] <gb73d> [11:02] <gb73d> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[11:03] <gb73d> [11:02] <gb73d> Spacewalk coverage just signed on...
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[11:04] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: thank You
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[11:15] <fsphil> flash or ios, nasa tv's only two options
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[11:21] <fsphil> the altitude of this flight is a bit variable
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[11:33] <chrisstubbs> someone went to the effort to code that in html5
[11:33] <chrisstubbs> then went to the effort of making a script to block it on a pc
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[11:57] <jcoxon> hmmm this code isn't working
[11:57] <jcoxon> i'm sure it worked before
[11:59] <cm13g09> jcoxon: I had that yesterday....
[11:59] <cm13g09> don't worry
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[12:11] <jcoxon> i think the issue is the clock speed
[12:11] <jcoxon> i seem to remember why i used my full arduino last time
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[12:23] <number10> is it your pico code jcoxon?
[12:23] <cm13g09> jcoxon: ah I see
[12:23] <jcoxon> nah its my aprs_tnc code
[12:24] <jcoxon> remember when i flew a rx'er (which didn't work)
[12:24] <jcoxon> i used my arduino with a 16mhz crystal
[12:24] <jcoxon> i've only got 8mhzs now :-)
[12:24] <number10> ah yes I remember.
[12:26] <number10> not that I do arduino - is that function millis() dependent on clock frq
[12:26] <jcoxon> i think there is more black magic
[12:26] <jcoxon> it runs
[12:27] <jcoxon> but the decoding i suspect is related to the click speed
[12:29] <number10> black magic is marginally better than black smoke
[12:38] <jcoxon> yeah
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[13:10] <Upu> afternoon all
[13:10] <Upu> ping SP9UOB_Tom
[13:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> Pong UPU :-)
[13:12] <Upu> hey Tom
[13:12] <Upu> sorry wasn't about
[13:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> afternoon Upu
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[13:12] <Upu> did you get sorted this morning ?
[13:12] <Upu> oh hi concretedog
[13:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: it was about setting APRS station to spacenear, but fsphil did it
[13:13] <Upu> cool ok
[13:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> Friends of mine - Sopernicus Project was launched at noon
[13:13] <concretedog> hello Upu...they told me to talk to you, I'd like to order an NTX2
[13:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> Copernicus
[13:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> ;-)
[13:13] <concretedog> I didn't mean that to rhyme!
[13:14] <Upu> hi concretedog
[13:14] <Upu> quick PM
[13:14] Action: SP9UOB_Tom is wqatching EVA-21 spacewalk
[13:14] <gb73d> me too
[13:14] <Upu> can you see the PM concretedog ?
[13:14] <Upu> private message
[13:14] <Upu> link for EVA ?
[13:15] <concretedog> can't see the PM i'm afraid
[13:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
[13:15] <Upu> should pop up as a private message blinking at the top I think ?
[13:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> im waiting to get ISS in my radio range to record eva suit communications
[13:16] <Darkside> ooh
[13:17] <x-f> cool idea
[13:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> i have some older recordings
[13:19] <Tom> Hi whats the downlink frequency?
[13:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> 121.125 MHz
[13:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> suit -> iss downlink
[13:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss_2010-11-15.mp3
[13:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss-2012-11-01.mp3
[13:21] <Tom> thanks, i will check my iss tracker and see if can hear anythink
[13:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss-ruskie-2010-11-11.mp3
[13:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss-ruskie2.mp3
[13:22] <SP9UOB_Tom> the next window in my location will be very short
[13:23] <Upu> I guess SR0FLY was recovered given its now driving down a road
[13:24] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: yes, it was
[13:24] <Upu> cool
[13:24] <Upu> PCB submitted chrisstubbs ?
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[13:30] <chrisstubbs> Yeah all done thanks Upu :)
[13:30] <Upu> cool
[13:32] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: New CHEAPO3 PCB's sent for manufacture! http://t.co/jwauYu5ytF #UKHAS http://t.co/Dge4AAZuBB [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/333213013840625667]
[13:34] <Upu> ah someone worked out how to install Eagle Up :)
[13:34] <Upu> look good
[13:34] <chrisstubbs> total toner transfer failure
[13:36] <chrisstubbs> http://bit.ly/10CT3Y1
[13:36] <Upu> haha
[13:36] <Upu> thats not good
[13:37] <chrisstubbs> the release sheet is too releasy
[13:37] <chrisstubbs> didnt come off the roller
[13:39] <concretedog> I've had the oppossing trouble with toner transfer...I can get it onto the paper I use and onto the board...but cant get the paper off the board!
[13:39] <Randomskk> use acetate
[13:40] <Randomskk> works so well
[13:40] <concretedog> yeah I should try that
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[14:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> ISS aproaching in my radio range
[14:09] <gb73d> what freq u listenign on SP9?
[14:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> 121.125 MHz
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[14:12] <gb73d> what mode ?
[14:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> FM
[14:12] <gb73d> is that a voice downlink ?
[14:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> yes, from spacesuit
[14:12] <gb73d> o wow
[14:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> but it seems to be out of my range now :-(
[14:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.issfanclub.com/frequencies
[14:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> yep - out of range :-(
[14:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> could be nice recordings :-)
[14:16] <gb73d> WOW
[14:16] <gb73d> i tweeted that freq list
[14:16] <gb73d> ty
[14:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> gb73d: i've listen to them recently, much soviet converssations
[14:17] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: hear anything?
[14:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: no, out of range (elevation -20 deg)
[14:18] <fsphil> I installed openelec on a raspberry pi, and using a nava plugin got all the streams working nicely
[14:18] <fsphil> nasa*
[14:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyway next passes are worse :-(
[14:19] <K9JKM> Russian air to groung from ISS on 143.625 FM is frequently strong over my QTH near Chicago
[14:19] <fsphil> what frequency are the suit cameras on?
[14:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> K9JKM: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss-ruskie-2010-11-11.mp3 http://sp9uob.verox.pl/iss/iss-ruskie2.mp3
[14:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: those are ultra low power - i think its unreceivable without 30m parabolic
[14:20] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: balloon recovered?
[14:21] <gb73d> its only 250 miles up easy even w 10mW
[14:21] <gb73d> if overhead pass
[14:21] <gb73d> im gonna look for em
[14:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> gb73d: but not with 7MHz bandwidth
[14:22] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: SR0FLY? yes
[14:38] <Babs> Hi all - An intermittent problem I'm having with the radio - cable - laptop set up and fl-digi. I have a yaesu connected to a dell laptop by a mono double headphone jack cable. I am sure it is something to do with the PC having a safety cut out if it receives an audio signal
[14:39] <Babs> Basically, I boot up fl-digi, and although i hear the radio picking up the signal from my tracker, when i connect the radio to the laptop through the cable, no audio shows up in the fldigi window
[14:39] <Babs> I've tried all combinations of turning the radio on last, booting up fl-digi only after connecting the cable etc. but can't seem to repeat the problem
[14:40] <chrisstubbs> Babs, do you have the internal mic or mic jack selected in fldigi?
[14:40] <Babs> is there a recommended sequence of connecting up the radio, turning on the laptop, booting up fldigi and connecting the radio and laptop that is recommended/infallible?
[14:41] <mfa298> shouldn't make a difference what order you do things in for a real radio.
[14:41] <Babs> christubbs, where will i find that out?
[14:42] <chrisstubbs> configure -> audio card
[14:42] <chrisstubbs> configure -> sound card sorry
[14:42] <mfa298> although with the 817 I've found using audio from the 6pin mini jack on the back into a computer line in to be the easiest method.
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[14:42] <jcoxon> if i put my 13mhz beacon outside will people have a listen out for it
[14:42] <jcoxon> ?
[14:42] <Babs> got it - capture jack mic and playback speakers headphone
[14:43] <Babs> although interestingly the dell has a combined mic and headphone jack. i wonder whether that is maybe getting the laptop confused from time to time?
[14:43] <chrisstubbs> Babs could you have been selecting line in/mic in on the sound card driver?
[14:43] <Babs> (it is now working ok btw)
[14:43] <mfa298> Babs: if your using a mic input on the laptop you'll probably need to go into the recording settings and drop the level quite low.
[14:44] <chrisstubbs> brb
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[14:45] <number10> whats it transmitting james?
[14:45] <Babs> mfa298 - ahhhh, jack mic level up to 100
[14:45] <number10> jcoxon ^
[14:45] <jcoxon> rtty and morse
[14:45] <Babs> pulled it back to 50, lets see how this gets on
[14:45] <number10> will have A KISTEN
[14:45] <number10> listen
[14:46] <jcoxon> not yet
[14:46] <number10> ok
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[14:47] <mfa298> Babs: that might not work that well. If you're using the headphone jack that will be a much higher level than a mic input will be expecting
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[14:47] <number10> was about to set up antenn jcoxon - but just got lightning
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[14:48] <Babs> mfa298 - as in the level 100 might not work so well or the level 50?
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[14:50] <mfa298> Babs: I'd recommend experimenting but I suspect the input level on the mic input would need to be quite low if there's nothing else in the signal path to reduce the signal level.
[14:50] <Babs> OK, will experiment. its frustrating its so intermittent. one day its fine, another day it isn't
[14:51] <mfa298> I've tended to use a line input on a usb soundcard instead and I think I have the input level at around 50 for that. But mic inputs have extra amplification on them
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[14:52] <mfa298> I've also taken to using the audio output on the back of the 817 as it's not affected by the volume control so it's pretty much a case of setup once and it works
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[14:52] <Babs> ok, thanks mfa298 i will see how i get on
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[14:54] <fsphil> jcoxon: you tx'ing now?
[14:59] <jcoxon> okay
[15:00] <jcoxon> its on 13.557.74Mhz
[15:03] <fsphil> dial?
[15:04] <jcoxon> usb
[15:05] <fsphil> I mean is that the dial frequency or the signal frequency?
[15:05] <jcoxon> dial
[15:06] <Maxell> lemme check with websdr
[15:06] <fsphil> hmmm too much noise
[15:06] <Upu> negative here
[15:06] <jcoxon> hold on
[15:07] <jcoxon> give me a few minutes
[15:08] <Maxell> directly inside noise on the Twente WebSDR
[15:09] <fsphil> yea there's a narrow band of noise just over that frequency
[15:10] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/zp9sTX1.png
[15:11] <fsphil> ah interesting, same noise here
[15:11] <gb73d> what is this 13mhz beacon ?
[15:11] <jcoxon> its a si570
[15:11] <jcoxon> tuned to 13mhz
[15:11] <jcoxon> so very low power
[15:11] <gb73d> RFID tag?
[15:11] <jcoxon> no
[15:12] <gb73d> 13560 is the ISM band
[15:12] <gb73d> what mode ?
[15:12] <jcoxon> its CW and RTTY
[15:14] <gb73d> i see a progable osc
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[15:15] <Maxell> http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/wspr/
[15:16] <craag> Maxell: Have to TX in a ham band to use that network
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[15:17] <craag> Can't do that airborne :(
[15:17] <fsphil> we need an ISM version
[15:17] <mfa298> looking at the reports for g8vdq it looks like 20m (close to the 13.5 mhz) is quite weak on wspr
[15:18] <jcoxon> ummm
[15:18] <jcoxon> thanks for listening
[15:18] <jcoxon> i'm having enough difficulty hearing it 10m away...
[15:18] <jcoxon> needs some work
[15:18] <fsphil> hehe
[15:19] <mfa298> I found a chart of MUF that suggests western europe to western europe has a MUF of around 8mhz (although I could be reading that wrong) suggesting this tracker will only work via groudwave locally.
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[15:43] <gb73d> i tuned AM 13560khz from a hilltop, heard hum of RFID tags plus bleeping of items being scanned in supermarket checkouts
[15:43] <gb73d> its incvredible millon of tiny txers all over world
[15:44] <gb73d> there is a constant hum of noise
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[15:45] <SpeedEvil> the singing of the Heinz.
[15:46] <SpeedEvil> music of the (asparagus) spears.
[15:46] <gb73d> it was weird but thats what it soundd like
[15:46] <gb73d> i would noit be surprsied
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[15:54] <bertrik> gb73d: nice, funny you can hear that
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[15:58] <SpeedEvil> in principle, the 13mhz emissions should be reasonably modulated by the ids.
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> and you could read them out
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> I expect from extreme distances
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[16:03] <Laurenceb_> this sounds epic
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> i wonder if you could record the amplitude
[16:03] <Laurenceb_> and correlate with supermarket purchases
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[16:04] <SpeedEvil> supermarkets rarely use them
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> warehouse control, access, ...
[16:04] <SpeedEvil> but not at point of sale
[16:05] <fsphil> the scanner at the entrance
[16:05] <fsphil> and the more expensive items
[16:06] <Randomskk> I don't think entrance scanners are RFID precisely
[16:06] <bertrik> for mifare RFID cards, the reader sends a deeply modulated signal (i.e. on-off) while the tag responds with shallow modulation (10% AM or so)
[16:06] <gb73d> how about flyin a 13.56 mhz rfid tx on a baloon ?
[16:07] <bertrik> actually, IIRC, the tag just loads the field of the reader and doesn't actively transmit 13.56 MHz
[16:07] <SpeedEvil> bertrik: that loading should be noticeable thofuh
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[16:09] <jcoxon> gb73d, yeah, thats my plan eventually
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[16:16] <gb73d> wow good luck i will try to tune it in
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[16:17] <gb73d> i have longwires at home and mobile HF rx set up using cb ant and E1 rx
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[16:27] <fsphil> working outside the station looks really quite tricky
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[16:32] <gb73d> hard work
[16:33] <gb73d> wonder how much astronauts get paid ?
[16:33] <gb73d> do they get extra for EVAs?
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[16:51] <BeBrA> hi
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[16:54] <Upu> hi there BeBrA
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[17:02] <SpeedEvil_> Laurenceb: better solution. http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/89703/1368272223/Animation2.gif
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[17:08] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[17:17] <SpeedEvil_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Upi0GUwVw&feature=youtube_gdata_player hand tool storage idea. may have to do this
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[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> hello
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[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> it really wonders me that farnell doesn't have these http://www.voelkner.de/products/9058/Batterie-Einzelkontakt-fuer-Micro-AAA-Zelle-Leiterplattenmontage.html
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> or I was too stupid to find them
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> they had for example this one http://de.farnell.com/keystone/590/batteriehalter-aa-n-1polig/dp/1339844
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> which doesn't look that stable to really clamp the cell in
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[17:57] <Upu> Lunar_Lander http://i.imgur.com/8YIaf3d.jpg Keystone 92 and you can get some optional clips for them
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> yeah you got the ones I mentioned
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> so the one in the farnell link actually is a snap-in model too?
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> oh noooooo
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> keystone 92 gave these on farnell
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> they had them
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu !
[18:00] <Upu> welcome
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[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> now I already ordered all the other stuff this morning and it even shipped already
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> but I found the clamps at voelkner as you can see from the other link
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea Keystone 55 it is
[18:02] <Lunar_Lander> what I would have needed
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[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> no, Keystone 55 is SMD
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, Keystone 92 is a big big for AAA cells, what do you think?
[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah Keystone 82 :)
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> I think I can't justify another order now as it would cost 8 euros shipping again
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> well that happens if you are too blind
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> fish: http://www.chefkoch.de/rezepte/1682231276351446/Wuerziger-Flammlachs-vom-Feuer.html
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> The XYL doesn't like that approach in the kitchen, too smokey ;-)
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:21] <lz1dev> wut
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[20:22] <Guest4630> yeah, wtf happend :S
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[20:22] <Guest4630> sorry
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[20:23] <Steffanx> I think i pasted some space by accident :P
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:58] <chrisstubbs> Evening
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[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> raspberry pi seems to have destroyed another SD card
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[21:07] <chrisstubbs> Here we go, making progress again
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[21:07] <chrisstubbs> I now have a 4gb SD card that acts only as a heater, and a 16gb card with a case that has crumbled away
[21:07] <fsphil> some SD cards work better than others
[21:08] <chrisstubbs> My kingston one that crumbles was one of the "compatible" ones for pi
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> so it mechanically failed?
[21:08] <chrisstubbs> worked really well untill the case broke away so much it didnt sit in the silly little holder anymore
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :(
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[21:21] <jcoxon> evening
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> evening
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[21:26] <chrisstubbs> seem to have superglued my left wrist to the table
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[21:26] <arko> hello?
[21:27] <arko> man im having netsplity issues
[21:27] <lz1dev> hello arko
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[21:27] <lz1dev> freenode seems to be a bit unstable today
[21:27] <arko> yeah
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[21:29] <jcoxon> just to say they'll be an open day tomorrow at the london hackspace if people are interested
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[21:29] <arko> oh neat
[21:29] <arko> you going?
[21:29] <jcoxon> http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/May_2013_Open_Day
[21:29] <jcoxon> yeah i'll pop in
[21:29] <jcoxon> i was there today
[21:30] <Laurenceb_> mmm tea
[21:30] <arko> looks like a great place
[21:31] <jcoxon> yeah its a big space
[21:31] <jcoxon> no roof access though :-(
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[21:51] <arko> i just made the mistake of eating a whole cinnamon roll
[21:51] <arko> no milk
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[22:15] <anerDev> hi guys
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[22:17] <chrisstubbs> Hello anerDev
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[22:17] <anerDev> tomorrow I have a test !
[22:18] <anerDev> I will mount my devices into a airplane =D
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[22:18] <chrisstubbs> what kind of devices are we talking?
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[22:22] <anerDev> I'm using this: http://www.anerdev.net/project/assm/
[22:22] <anerDev> in this page there is the list of the components
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> nice range of sensors
[22:24] <anerDev> only 3 !
[22:25] <anerDev> have watched the scheme, sketch and other information ? watch there https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3y9jvwa6hkbhegj/3IxSoYI01P
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[22:28] <anerDev> chrisstubbs where are u from ?
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> UK
[22:29] <anerDev> I'm from italy
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> :)
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> hi malgar
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> malgar is from I too
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:29] <anerDev> =D
[22:30] <anerDev> I hope that tomorrow
[22:30] <anerDev> there is good weather !
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[22:31] <anerDev> ever launched a ballon ? Lunar_lander
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> yeah, March 5, 2013 :)
[22:31] <anerDev> ahve a web page for the info ?
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[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah in german only at the moment
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> busy writing a english report
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> do you want to have the link anyway?
[22:34] <anerDev> yes =D
[22:34] Nick change: Guest92991 -> russss
[22:34] <anerDev> I will use google translate ;)
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[22:35] <anerDev> I would like to watch the image
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[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.macromol.uni-osnabrueck.de/Glinka.php
[22:35] <anerDev> thank u man
[22:36] <anerDev> LOL
[22:36] <anerDev> http://www.macromol.uni-osnabrueck.de/Studienprojekt/img_8188c.jpg
[22:36] <anerDev> you do this with university ?
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I proposed it
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> and the prof said "let's do it"
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> and this is our launch :) http://youtu.be/X5Uu8RJvSSM
[22:37] Nick change: Matt_soton -> mattbrejza
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[22:38] <anerDev> I go to hish school. When I tell this to my teachers, they say: "you don't have the capacity to do this !"
[22:38] <anerDev> fuckoof mother fucker, I'm doning this
[22:38] <anerDev> i have a question
[22:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:39] <anerDev> - where you buy the ballon ?
[22:39] <anerDev> - camera model
[22:39] <anerDev> - wh there is straw ?
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[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> ok, the camera is a Canon PowerShot A490
[22:39] <Lunar_Lander> I bought the balloon from RocketBoy here in the channel
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> here http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Welcome.html
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> and the straw is part of the antenna
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> it actually was an accident that it was in the FOV
[22:40] <anerDev> I thought that was for the focus
[22:40] <anerDev> =D
[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD it was actually bad for the focus
[22:41] <anerDev> uhahua
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> a lot of pictures are spoiled because the cam focused on the straw
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:41] <anerDev> LOL
[22:41] <anerDev> so, i send an email to GoPro team for a sponsor, I hope that they send me a camera ! *.*
[22:42] <anerDev> but, I order this: http://dx.com/p/ultra-thin-card-style-rechargeable-2mp-digital-video-camera-camcorder-with-tf-slot-white-106628
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> dealextreme FTW!
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> 2 euro for a printer USB cable instead of 6 at the store is good :)
[22:43] <anerDev> what's FTW ?
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[22:43] <anerDev> oh yeah, is good
[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:45] <anerDev> ok guys, I go to bed !
[22:45] <anerDev> listening this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEgAcE7v67k
[22:45] <anerDev> =D
[22:45] <anerDev> have a good night
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[22:48] <chrisstubbs> laters anerDev, good luck with testing tommorow
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[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> FTW = For the Win
[22:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:51] <fsphil> freenode still a bit upset
[22:51] <arko> yeah
[22:51] <arko> its a tornado
[22:52] <Guest43867> ddosing idiots.
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[22:52] <Guest43867> gag
[22:52] <Guest43867> gah
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[23:52] <oh7lzb> Is a bit quiet here. Just went out to take a couple of photos, it's quiet there too.
[23:53] <oh7lzb> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37346897/2013_05_12_mokki-ovelta.JPG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37346897/2013_05_12_mokki-kalla1-mid.JPG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37346897/2013_05_12_mokki-kalla2-mid.JPG
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[23:56] <lz1dev> so many trees
[23:56] <lz1dev> for a hab to land on
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