highaltitude.log.20130505

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[00:02] <Darkside> drlizau: has the APRS paylod been turned on yet?
[00:02] <Darkside> as its not being gated
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[00:07] <drlizau> uhf signal being received here at present
[00:07] <drlizau> i'm not listening on uhf
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[00:13] <andy_vk3yt> we got both trackers online. PSB-2 434.650 50 baud VK2URB-7 APRS 145.175
[00:13] <Darkside> yup
[00:13] <andy_vk3yt> thanks
[00:13] <Darkside> all on the map now
[00:14] <Darkside> the predictions are set for 33km burst
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[00:24] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: what is vk3xco-11?
[00:35] <drlizau> rtty to aprs translation of the same balloon
[00:35] <Darkside> ah
[00:35] <Darkside> why bother
[00:36] <Darkside> you've already got an aprs payload
[00:36] <drlizau> to have fun i guess
[00:37] <Darkside> how far off is launch?
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[00:47] <drlizau> fill starting now
[00:47] <arko> nice
[00:47] <Darkside> oh, a while off then
[00:47] <Darkside> ill be back a bit later
[00:53] <drlizau> five mins optimistic
[00:53] <drlizau> 10 mins conservative
[00:53] <Darkside> :P
[00:53] <Darkside> ok
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[01:02] <drlizau> spot tracker now on, possibly has gps fix
[01:03] <drlizau> still some stuff not right yet...
[01:03] <drlizau> weighing balloon
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[01:13] <drlizau> deciding between emptying the tank and not overfilling the balloon
[01:14] <arko> better to have a predictable flight than a short/low alt no?
[01:15] <drlizau> tying off the balloon
[01:18] <drlizau> belt_and_braces approach to tying off
[01:19] <Darkside> k
[01:28] <drlizau> nearly all tied off
[01:32] <drlizau> bottom ripped out of balloon
[01:32] <drlizau> back to step one
[01:32] <Darkside> what?
[01:32] <Darkside> how
[01:37] <arko> ???
[01:37] <Darkside> we just use 2 cableties..
[01:38] <Darkside> dunno what you're doing
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[02:07] <arko> ukhas wiki has some good instructions
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[02:16] <drlizau> allon up try 2
[02:16] <Darkside> ?
[02:17] <Darkside> filled yet?
[02:19] <drlizau> ascent, this time with payloaf
[02:20] <Darkside> launched?
[02:20] <Darkside> yep
[02:21] <andy_vk3yt> we have liftoff !
[02:21] <Darkside> i see that
[02:22] <Darkside> if you want accurate live predictions, i'd be making sure you're uploading packets from your rtty payload
[02:24] <Darkside> thats a slow ascent rate
[02:24] <heathkid> anyone have a cheap source for 3 ft. mylar balloons? I checked to day at our local store and they want $10+ each...
[02:24] <heathkid> at that price... cheaper to do a Kaymont launch w/ reflector
[02:25] <drlizau> robert thinks will cut down early
[02:26] <Darkside> yeah i'd think so
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[02:28] <Darkside> ok that is a very slow ascent rate
[02:28] <arko> yikes
[02:28] <arko> was it under filled on purpose?
[02:29] <Darkside> probably didnt have enough cas
[02:29] <Darkside> gas
[02:30] <Darkside> the heck
[02:30] <Darkside> 0.3m/s?
[02:31] <andy_vk3yt> think so
[02:31] <andy_vk3yt> not enough gas
[02:31] <Darkside> i hope the cutdown works
[02:33] <andy_vk3yt> hehe
[02:33] <Darkside> erm
[02:34] <Darkside> thats an interesting ascent rate
[02:34] <Darkside> maybe a gps problem
[02:34] <Darkside> aprs didn't show it
[02:35] <andy_vk3yt> 0.8 on aprs?
[02:35] <Darkside> i saw negative on PSB-2
[02:35] <Darkside> went from 0.8 to -0.5 for a bit
[02:35] <Darkside> anyway
[02:35] <Darkside> its ascending still
[02:36] <Darkside> so if you don't cut this down, this balloon will likely float at around 30km
[02:36] <andy_vk3yt> nice prediction trace !
[02:37] <Darkside> im off for a bit
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[02:57] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: yeah, something is up with your altitude
[02:57] <Darkside> its going up and down
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[03:09] <heathkid> no help on cheap mylars?
[03:10] <Darkside> nope
[03:10] <heathkid> :) thanks! lol
[03:10] <heathkid> I need to do a launch this coming week so I'm prepared for a launch at Dayton
[03:23] <drlizau> started to pick up ground speed
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[04:10] <heathkid> link to tracker for what's flying?
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[04:39] <Darkside> cutdown
[04:41] <andy_vk3yt> yes just did. goig to landing site now
[04:41] <Darkside> k
[04:47] <Darkside> andy_vk3yt: vk2mev in newcastle is receiving the paylaod
[04:48] <Darkside> 358km away, on the horizon
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[05:51] <drlizau> now VK2KNV-7 is taking a walk to try to hear the payload
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[06:19] <drlizau> ground parties are now on a hike
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[06:27] <Darkside> drlizau: why didn't you drive in to the farm
[06:28] <Darkside> if you spoke to them, you could pribabl drive right up to the payload..
[06:28] <Darkside> instead of traipsing all over their fields
[06:30] <drlizau> because the line on the map does not exist on the ground
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[06:58] <drlizau> most got ride back!
[06:58] <Darkside> err
[06:58] <Darkside> i can see a track on the sat imagery
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[07:08] <andy_vk3yt> found it with a yagi, almost got shot by the farmer :) just kidding
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[07:12] <andy_vk3yt> did u get any packets Darkside?
[07:13] <Darkside> no
[07:13] <Darkside> it only got to 10km
[07:13] <Darkside> way too low
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[07:29] <jcoxon> anyone around to try an quick experiement
[07:29] <Darkside> uhm
[07:29] <Darkside> do i have to be in teh same country?
[07:29] <jcoxon> probably
[07:30] <jcoxon> i've put my 13.558Mhz transmitter outside
[07:30] <Darkside> oh
[07:30] <Darkside> uhm
[07:30] <Upu> will whenback in 30 mins
[07:30] <Darkside> given the fof2 over the UK is about 4MHz, it's not going to propagate
[07:31] <Darkside> even during the daytime will you rarely get an fof2 > 10MHz
[07:31] <Darkside> which is what you'll need for NVIS propagation
[07:31] <Darkside> http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/HF%20Systems/Global%20HF/HAP%20Charts/London.gif
[07:32] <jcoxon> the main aim is to run it for a long period of time to see if its stable
[07:32] <jcoxon> but as its there...
[07:32] <Darkside> ok
[07:32] <Darkside> well don't expect propagation
[07:32] <Darkside> as you won't get it
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[07:40] <Hix> alternative to delay() http://goo.gl/Jsv83
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[07:45] <nigelvh> Hix, yes that's a common move. Generally people set a last_time variable and then do an if(millis() > last_time + delay_time) doStuff();
[07:46] <jcoxon> hmmm maybe 13.558 is not a great freq to be on
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[07:46] <jcoxon> its licence exempt but also the frequency for RFID
[07:46] <nigelvh> Hmmm
[07:46] <nigelvh> You trying there to get some "HF" going?
[07:48] <jcoxon> there are some licence exempt freqs we can use
[07:48] <jcoxon> around hte HF region
[07:48] <jcoxon> 13.553 - 13.567 MHz
[07:48] <jcoxon> 26.957 - 27.283 MHz
[07:48] <Darkside> if you want local area propagation, you need something below 10MHz during the day, and below 5MHZ during the night
[07:48] <jcoxon> 40.66 - 40.70 MHz
[07:48] <nigelvh> If it's any help, I just tuned my HF rig to 13.558 USB and I don't hear anything.
[07:48] <Darkside> nigelvh: you won't
[07:48] <Darkside> fof2 over the UK is 4MHz at the moment
[07:49] <Darkside> there is no propagation support for a 13.56MHz signal
[07:49] <nigelvh> No, just if I heard local RFID stuff
[07:49] <nigelvh> Not expecting to hear the UK
[07:49] <jcoxon> i mean RFID is super short range
[07:49] <jcoxon> but i guess a balloon based signal isn't a great idea
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[07:58] <Upu> morning
[07:58] <Upu> oh HF
[07:58] <Upu> don't have an antenna for that
[07:58] <Upu> Darkside can we clear spacenear.us shortly ?
[07:58] <jcoxon> anyway i'm changing freq
[07:58] <Darkside> yes
[07:58] <nigelvh> Now I'm listening to the NIST stations
[07:58] <Darkside> Upu: not my launch
[07:58] <Upu> thx
[07:58] <Upu> you seemed to be coordinating it
[07:59] <Darkside> not really
[08:00] <Darkside> i just setup the stuff on the tracker for them
[08:01] <chrisstubbs> Can you clear CHEAPO off too
[08:01] <chrisstubbs> just testing the time padding one last time before launch this afternoon :)
[08:02] <Upu> yeah I'll clear tracker down later chrisstubbs
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[08:04] <M1AFY> hi fellas,, what freq(s) is HYDEST001 running on?
[08:04] <Darkside> no idea
[08:04] <Darkside> its just in testing from waht i can tell
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[08:06] <fsphil> morn
[08:07] <chrisstubbs> Thanks
[08:08] <chrisstubbs> wow the postcode for elsworth is pretty radioey if thats a word
[08:09] <chrisstubbs> it has CB and Hz in it :P
[08:09] <Upu> morning
[08:10] <Upu> chrisstubbs http://goo.gl/maps/aaah4 that marker is exactly on the track you drive down
[08:10] <Upu> its like a raise up concrete thing
[08:10] <chrisstubbs> cheers upu just jotting down steves directions
[08:10] <Upu> follow it round tot he head of the line of trees that separates two fields
[08:11] <chrisstubbs> got quite a nasty crack on my windscreen, going down this bumpy farm track should finish it off good and proper :P
[08:11] <Upu> its not that bad
[08:11] <Upu> as far as farm tracks go
[08:11] <chrisstubbs> lol
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[09:39] <griffonbot> Received email: Lee Gilham "Re: [UKHAS] Dressed To Chill"
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[09:46] <Chrisstubbs> Cambridge bound!
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[09:58] <fsphil> oh yes, rocketboy might be launching today
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[11:02] <chrisg7ogx> Dressed to chill Brilliant!
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[11:03] <Chrisstubbs> Just arrived at the launch site
[11:04] <Chrisstubbs> has anyone heard from rocketboy?
[11:04] <cuddykid> are you launching too chrisstubbs?
[11:04] <Chrisstubbs> yeah from ears
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[11:23] <Chrisstubbs> Steve us launching, and some uni guys, anyone else?
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[11:27] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[11:27] <GMT> any ideas on launch times, or is it still '-ish'?
[11:28] <WILLdude> Hello
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[11:36] <Chrisstubbs> We are setting up now
[11:36] <Chrisstubbs> 30 mins maybe
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[11:40] <RocketBoy> yo - on site
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[11:51] <m0psx> Hi Chris. If anything wanders in Southend airspace, happy to try my first track
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[11:53] <Chrisstubbs> Ah hi Pete
[11:53] <Chrisstubbs> Just about to start filling
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[12:00] <GMT> CHEAPO is on the map
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[12:11] <toom> What time starts CHEAPO ?
[12:12] <GMT> soon-ish, just filling it now
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[12:13] <toom> Ok. Good luck :-)
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[12:26] <RocketBoy> 1st one just launching
[12:26] <RocketBoy> about 3 min
[12:27] <GMT> which one going first?
[12:28] <RocketBoy> cheapo
[12:29] <RocketBoy> delay - camera probs
[12:29] <GMT> any predictions for these?
[12:29] <Upu> can have
[12:30] <Maxell> Wich one is perfferd to be tracking? CHEAPO or XABEN? :-)
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> That might depend on who you ask!
[12:35] <RocketBoy> its away
[12:35] <g4fui> Good luck, guys, got my ears on up in Penrith
[12:37] <Chrisstubbs> We are up
[12:37] <Randomskk> 434.400?
[12:38] <G8KNN> 434.395
[12:38] <eroomde_> waters receeding here. now down to the 3rd step down into the cellar. and it's sunny
[12:38] <Chrisstubbs> Yep
[12:38] <eroomde_> things are looking up
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[12:38] <eroomde_> until we actually see the damage in the cellar. then things will seem crap i'm sure
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[12:39] <griffonbot> @g4fui: CHEAPO #HAB up and away from near Cambridge. Telemetry on 434.40MHz RTTY 50baud (?) ASCII 7N2 #ukhas http://t.co/oL42bc6ibC [http://twitter.com/g4fui/status/331025309434511362]
[12:39] Action: Randomskk grumbles at how far away some of the receivers are
[12:40] <Randomskk> this whip is truly awful
[12:40] Nick change: Upu -> Upu_M0UPU
[12:40] <G8KNN> signal is not as strong as I would expect from here
[12:40] <Randomskk> I can't hear a thing and I'm at the same distance as you
[12:41] <Nerdsville> Great, I got a huge source of QRM centred on 434.4 :-(
[12:41] <eroomde_> go and kill them
[12:41] Nick change: eroomde_ -> eroomde
[12:41] <G8KNN> Cheapo was weak on its last flight as well :(
[12:42] <Maxell> Only CHEAPO? :o
[12:42] <Maxell> no XABEN?
[12:43] <Upu_M0UPU> XABEN not launched yet
[12:43] <Randomskk> weird. I can hear it with hpol
[12:43] <Randomskk> but not vpol
[12:43] <Randomskk> might just be the null in the antenna pointing away from it
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[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well its track has just turned 90 degrees asw ell ;-)
[12:45] <Upu_M0UPU> what balloon is that using ?
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[12:46] <Chrisstubbs> Ebay mil surplus
[12:47] <Chrisstubbs> 300g
[12:49] <mattbrejza> Randomskk: decoding yet? i have it in soton
[12:49] <Randomskk> >:|
[12:49] <Randomskk> no, my antenna in cambridge can only just pick it up if I wiggle it around and point it just so
[12:50] <Maxell> now I wait till the blue line hits my town :P
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[12:51] <Upu_M0UPU> quite a weak signal
[12:51] <Upu_M0UPU> predictor is set for 32km Chrisstubbs
[12:54] <Chrisstubbs> More like 21 for us upu
[12:54] <Upu_M0UPU> ok I'll amend
[12:54] <Chrisstubbs> We better go chase the thing :P
[12:54] <Chrisstubbs> Cheers
[12:55] <Upu_M0UPU> is your antenna made from wet string Chrisstubbs ? :)
[12:56] <[1]chrisstubbs> lol, may as well be
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[13:00] <steve_____> Hello
[13:00] <steve_____> Is CHEAPO flying atm
[13:00] <[1]chrisstubbs> yeah
[13:00] <steve_____> cool
[13:00] <[1]chrisstubbs> 434.395
[13:00] <steve_____> let me see if I can hear it!
[13:01] <Laurenceb_> very low wind speed
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[13:06] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: you're probably glad you've got ASTRA down here....
[13:06] <GMT> just about audible in W London, getting a few partial decodes
[13:07] <Maxell> Noting here yet in .nl
[13:07] Action: cm13g09 notes Upu_M0UPU has turned on the live prediction
[13:08] <[1]chrisstubbs> m0upu have you set the predicter for 21 :)
[13:08] <steve_____> nothing in Camberley yet either..
[13:08] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: looks like it from what's on Spacenear
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just starting to get partial decodes on the South Coast
[13:08] <cm13g09> saying Predicted burst at 20913m
[13:08] <cm13g09> in about an hour
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[13:09] <[1]chrisstubbs> PERFECT, gives us time to eat our sandwiches :)
[13:10] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: Heading for March if the live prediction is anything to go by
[13:10] <cm13g09> (well, just north of
[13:11] <[1]chrisstubbs> we're headed for Whittlesey
[13:11] <steve_____> Is the red target on space near.us the predicted landing zone?
[13:11] <cm13g09> steve_____: yeah
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[13:11] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: right direction
[13:11] <steve_____> oh I can see the burst as well :)
[13:12] <cm13g09> you'll end up needing to drive the Wisbech road towards Guyhirn a bit if the live predict is right
[13:12] <g4fui> Just emerging from the noise in Penrith
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[13:13] <Maxell> Why is CHEAPO so hard to hear?
[13:13] <cm13g09> clue is in the name, isn't it [1]chrisstubbs?
[13:14] <Maxell> :(
[13:14] <cm13g09> Maxell: you may pick it up when it gets a bit higher...
[13:15] <cm13g09> I can only guess that the output power isn't necessarily quite as much as some of the others
[13:15] <[1]chrisstubbs> perhaps the swr of the phone cable antenna isn't quite perfect ;)
[13:15] <Maxell> [1]chrisstubbs: hey, we used cat5e that worked flawlessly
[13:15] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: If that's your car on Spacenear.... I sure hope you're not where it says you are
[13:16] <Maxell> lol
[13:17] <[1]chrisstubbs> NSEMOB?
[13:17] <cm13g09> yeah
[13:17] <steve_____> lake
[13:17] <malgar> is there a webpage about this flight?
[13:17] <malgar> who has managed it?
[13:17] <cm13g09> you were down the lake
[13:17] <[1]chrisstubbs> heading N up the M11
[13:17] <cm13g09> A1(M) I hope
[13:19] <[1]chrisstubbs> A1 sorry
[13:20] <[1]chrisstubbs> website is chris-stubbs.co.uk
[13:20] <cm13g09> yeah - I see your route. Whittlesey may be a bit too far West...
[13:20] <steve_____> my location is within the green circle now and I can't hear a thing - I just have a cheap dongle and mini arial - its that to be expected or am I doing it wrong :)
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[13:20] <steve_____> sorry 1st attempt at tracking
[13:20] <cm13g09> steve_____: you'll need a reasonable antenna
[13:20] <cm13g09> if you've just got a dongle + shipped antenna
[13:20] <steve_____> yes
[13:20] <cm13g09> it may not be able to pick up very well
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[13:20] <Maxell> steve_____: also, cheapo is rather difficiult for some reason
[13:21] Action: cm13g09 thinks [1]chrisstubbs needs to slow down....
[13:21] <cm13g09> 116.1km/h is a bit fast!
[13:22] <[1]chrisstubbs> must be a gps error...
[13:22] <cm13g09> yeah
[13:22] <Maxell> steve_____: my setup is also a dvb-t dongle, habamp (the filter/amplifier) and a Diamond x-50n. Nothing here yet and well inside the horizon.
[13:22] <cm13g09> M0NSA had fun when he was over in France on an HST
[13:23] <steve_____> is the habamp a commercial product?
[13:24] <GMT> my phone gps worked on a flight back from the far-east
[13:24] <PE2G> Hi all, current dial for CHEAPO pls?
[13:24] <GMT> 434.395
[13:24] <malgar> xaben and cheapo.. what are these? two radios on the same balloon?
[13:25] <PE2G> Thanks
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[13:26] <GMT> malgar: separate flight
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[13:28] <Chrisstubbs> Just pulled over for lunch
[13:28] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: ok
[13:28] <cm13g09> looks like you won't have to worry about trees :P
[13:28] <Chrisstubbs> Yeah the signal is still a bit pants
[13:29] <malgar> GMT, so why I see just a balloon in spacenear.us?
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[13:29] <Maxell> PE2G: it's very hard to hear. I have not heard a thing yet.
[13:30] <GMT> each transmitter usually has its own balloon symbol on Spacenear
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[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> <malgar> Click "Path" and "Follow" under Cheapo thenyou will see track as well
[13:30] <PE2G> Maxell: Nothing here yet
[13:31] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: I'm just hoping that you get an easier reocvery than it might be at the moment
[13:31] <Chrisstubbs> Uh. Oh
[13:31] <cm13g09> (there looks to be a railway that could get in the way...
[13:31] <Chrisstubbs> Where is that?
[13:31] <cm13g09> it's OK, it's been receding back south of it slowly
[13:32] <cm13g09> and now it's clear according the prediction
[13:32] <cm13g09> heading for a river now... :(
[13:32] <Chrisstubbs> Lol
[13:32] <malgar> did you ever visually tracked a balloon using a telescope?
[13:32] <Chrisstubbs> Ping m0psx
[13:32] <Maxell> PE2G: PD4KDZ_klaas and PA3WEG
[13:32] <Maxell> didn't hear anything yet, too
[13:33] <GMT> malgar, youd need a good 'scope for that, it's currently about 50,000 feet!
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[13:33] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: it seems that this direction, while clear of trees, has its own set of fun...
[13:33] <cm13g09> afternoon daveake
[13:34] <daveake> afternoon
[13:34] <daveake> Is cheapo a bit weak? Can't see it at all here
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[13:34] <cm13g09> interesting email from yourself yesterday
[13:34] <daveake> oh yeah that :)
[13:34] <Chrisstubbs> Yeah a bit weak
[13:35] <Chrisstubbs> A little better than last flight though
[13:35] <daveake> I've only got the yagi in the loft so that doesn't help
[13:35] <cm13g09> Looks like it's trying to find the most inaccessible places in the fens to land...
[13:36] <cm13g09> based on the live predict...
[13:36] <Chrisstubbs> Ah we like a challenge
[13:36] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: looks like you might get one
[13:36] <cm13g09> it's back off towards to railway again...
[13:37] <Chrisstubbs> Could someone do me a favour and find a postcode near predicted landing
[13:37] <cm13g09> hang on a sec Chrisstubbs
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[13:37] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: PE15 0AG
[13:37] <PE2G> I have a weak signal on 434.3969
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> That the one
[13:38] <Chrisstubbs> Thanks
[13:38] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: when you get there... you'll want to follow the Whittlesey Road
[13:38] <cm13g09> because that postcode is ~500m down the road from predicted landing...
[13:39] <Chrisstubbs> Satnav kernel panic
[13:39] <cm13g09> if not more
[13:39] <Chrisstubbs> That's a new one
[13:40] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: PE15 0AP is closer
[13:41] <cm13g09> although you may want to stop around the earlier postcode, as you may need to end up the other side of the Nene
[13:41] <cm13g09> Live predict keeps jumping around
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[13:41] <Chrisstubbs> Right gonna head off over there then
[13:41] <Chrisstubbs> Passenger will be on the laptop :)
[13:42] <cm13g09> I'll try and keep you posted as the live predict updates
[13:42] <malgar> GMT, given a distance of 50 km and a diameter of 5 m, the balloon should appear about 0°0'20" degrees.. that is somethinki like the size of saturn
[13:42] <malgar> and you can see saturn as a small disk even in small telescopes
[13:42] <malgar> something
[13:42] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: is this the laptop user with Chrisstubbs I wonder?
[13:43] <cm13g09> ~6 mins to burst (or so says SpaceNear)
[13:43] <GMT> Malgar, you'd be searching for a tiny white speck in a blue sky, or (more likely) above the cluds
[13:43] <WILLdude> Hello.
[13:44] <WILLdude> I've decided to stop trying to track flights till I get a proper antenna.
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[13:45] <malgar> GMT, you know 1) your position 2) the balloon position 3) the balloon height. Is easy to set the telescope to the right elevation/azimuth values :)
[13:45] <Maxell> WILLdude: whats the setup now?
[13:45] <GMT> malgar: ... but accurately enough? can it see through clouds?
[13:45] <m0psx> Hi Chris. Not managed to hear a thing here. Must be doing something wrong.
[13:46] <malgar> yes accurately enough.. but the clouds are obviously a problem
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[13:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[13:46] <[1]chrisstubbs> cheapo is putting out a pretty weak signal, so may not get much
[13:46] <malgar> why the car is not moving?
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[13:47] <chrisg7ogx> very weak on the south coast
[13:47] <cm13g09> malgar: probably slightly naff car tracker
[13:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA-1/seba-2-found.jpg but not recovered yet :-(
[13:47] <PE2G> Becoming weaker, or is it me?
[13:47] <cm13g09> SP9UOB_Tom: Ah, you have the problem craag_ keeps having...
[13:47] <WILLdude> Maxell: I have an Upu-made quarter wave, holding out of my window doesn't get good LOS. Apparently, there's some sale of equipment near me soon.
[13:48] <chrisg7ogx> no i agree becoming weaker
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[13:48] <qyx_> SP9UOB_Tom: quite accessible tree
[13:48] <GMT> Tom: you did remember to pack the chainsaw didn't you?
[13:48] <malgar> SP9UOB_Tom, how do you plan to recover it?
[13:48] <[1]chrisstubbs> rocketboy, hows yours going?
[13:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> malgar: yes, but i need fishing rod
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[13:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> GMT: ;-)
[13:49] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: looks like you may be on for a bit more of a flight than bargained... it's on its way to 22k...
[13:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> its about 18 meters
[13:50] <[1]chrisstubbs> yay, thought it would burst ages ago, as we're using a really old balloon
[13:50] <g4fui> Interesting, after that deep fade it seemed to come back stronger - I _nearly_ had a decode!
[13:51] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: nope... evidently not. 22k and still going up
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[13:53] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: this is turning into a very approximate 21k....
[13:54] <NickB1> is the CHEAPO transmitter lower power?
[13:54] <GMT> the higher it goes, the further north it will land (in theory)
[13:54] <Maxell> NickB1: yes, and cheapo antenna
[13:54] <cm13g09> GMT: in theory....
[13:54] <Maxell> NickB1: no decodes from overseas
[13:55] <Maxell> NickB1: you are not the only one ;-)
[13:55] <cm13g09> theory and practise.... don't necessarily reflect each other....
[13:55] <GMT> what kind of ant on CHEAPO ... wet string?
[13:55] <Maxell> wow that 90 degrees!
[13:55] <Maxell> :P
[13:55] <NickB1> ah ok
[13:55] <Maxell> still not burst
[13:55] <NickB1> Xaben will be normal transmitter?
[13:55] <Maxell> I hope so :P
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[13:56] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs, Chrisstubbs: Heads up that you're likely to be a bit far south now....
[13:57] <cm13g09> I'll give an update when the burst happens
[13:57] <[1]chrisstubbs> cheers cm13g09
[13:58] <Maxell> 24,3 km now
[13:58] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: you should still be in roughly the right area...
[13:58] <qyx_> brust
[13:58] <cm13g09> yup
[13:59] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs, Chrisstubbs: Burst - so on its way down....
[13:59] <[1]chrisstubbs> falling fast
[13:59] <Maxell> burst
[13:59] <cm13g09> once live predict updates
[13:59] <cm13g09> I'll grab you a postcode
[13:59] <[1]chrisstubbs> cheers
[14:01] <iain-G4SGX> seems a bit stronger coming down! still only faint 4 me..
[14:01] <cm13g09> Upu_M0UPU: I've lost the prediction....
[14:01] <Upu_M0UPU> still on mine
[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Gone on mine
[14:02] <cm13g09> Upu_M0UPU: I'm seeing an error in the log
[14:02] <cm13g09> "data: "{"warnings":[],"errors":["Assertion `(lon >= 0.f) && (lon < 360.f)' failed."]}""
[14:03] <Upu_M0UPU> corrupt data being uploaded
[14:03] <Upu_M0UPU> ?
[14:03] <Upu_M0UPU> its spinning
[14:03] <Upu_M0UPU> aim for half way between Whittlesey and March
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[14:04] <Upu_M0UPU> very weak signal
[14:04] <[1]chrisstubbs> will do, cheers
[14:04] <Upu_M0UPU> what transmitter is it Chris ?
[14:05] <[1]chrisstubbs> rfm 22b
[14:05] Action: cm13g09 doesn't understand why he's not seeing a prediction....
[14:06] <WILLdude> Urgh. Just tried downloading a huge torrent and realized how little space I have on this ubuntu installation.
[14:07] <cm13g09> Upu_M0UPU: predict ias back
[14:07] <Upu_M0UPU> don't think it ever went :)
[14:07] <cm13g09> lol
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> IT RETURNED HERE AS YOU SAID THAT!
[14:07] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: PE13 4BH
[14:08] <Upu_M0UPU> you know when M0DTS is the only one RXing you're in trouble :)
[14:09] <[1]chrisstubbs> thanks cm13g09
[14:09] <[1]chrisstubbs> upu, we have the yagi if we need it
[14:10] <Upu_M0UPU> you will :)
[14:10] <homewld> very week fading signal here in Lowestoft!
[14:10] <[1]chrisstubbs> :)
[14:10] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd just park up for a bit Chris
[14:11] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: Upu_M0UPU probably has a point
[14:11] <Upu_M0UPU> chasing the prediction rarely works
[14:12] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: you're in roughly the right area now
[14:12] <[1]chrisstubbs> parking up
[14:12] <Upu_M0UPU> you're in the right area
[14:12] <Upu_M0UPU> I'd break the yagi out now whilst others still have it
[14:12] <cm13g09> there's still ~1hr to go
[14:12] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah slow decent
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[14:13] <Chrisstubbs> We have good decodes on the magmount
[14:13] <malgar> [1]chrisstubbs, will you catch it on the fly?
[14:13] <malgar> :)
[14:14] <Chrisstubbs> Yeah of course!
[14:14] <Chrisstubbs> Steve showed us his interesting "throw the payload" launch technique
[14:14] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: it keeps wandering further and further N#orth
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[14:15] <cm13g09> woah - that was special...
[14:16] <Chrisstubbs> ?
[14:16] <cm13g09> it just went around in a very tight spiral.... could be GPS, but doesn't look like it
[14:16] <cm13g09> and it's off again
[14:17] <bertrik> cm13g09: it's attracted by the sea ... :)
[14:17] <cm13g09> XABEN has turned up :)
[14:20] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: I see you actually ended up at the last locationm I gave..
[14:20] <eroomde> tight spirals usually occur where there's lots of shear
[14:20] <eroomde> i.e. between layers of atmosphere going in different directions
[14:20] <eroomde> so it's not surprising that the spiral was on the tun
[14:20] <Chrisstubbs> We look pretty close to the prediction wherever we are!
[14:21] <cm13g09> yep
[14:21] <malgar> what's the distance from the predicted landing site at launch?
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[14:22] <cm13g09> malgar: looks like ~50km based on a quick glance at a zoomed out map
[14:22] <cm13g09> at least, straight line distance
[14:22] <eroomde> i think he meant difference between prediction at launch and prediction now
[14:22] <cm13g09> oh lol
[14:22] <cm13g09> yeah
[14:22] <cm13g09> misread
[14:23] <malgar> cm13g09, is this beacuse the burst has happened at higher altitude?
[14:23] <cm13g09> malgar: my figure is wrong
[14:23] <malgar> :P
[14:23] <Chrisstubbs> Nice and flat round here for LOS
[14:23] <cm13g09> I worked out the distance from launch to predicted land now
[14:23] <Chrisstubbs> Great 3g too I must say
[14:24] <cm13g09> not predicted land to new predicted land
[14:24] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: it's seemingly moving in on you a bit as well
[14:24] <WILLdude> When web hosts say 'No Warez' does that just mean no illegal software?
[14:24] <Upu_M0UPU> warez means copied software WILLdude
[14:25] <[1]chrisstubbs> :)
[14:25] <WILLdude> So it doesn't include slightly less than legal music?
[14:25] <WILLdude> :P
[14:27] <cm13g09> CHEAPO is about to do a fly-by of the predicted XABEN landing site....
[14:27] <cm13g09> which currently looks a little damp based on live predict....
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez <WILLdude>
[14:28] <malgar> I still don't understand because xaben has been not launched
[14:28] <malgar> :)
[14:28] <WILLdude> [1]chrisstubbs: Why the [1]?
[14:28] <Chrisstubbs> Thought we saw it then, just birds :P
[14:29] <Chrisstubbs> That's other Chris on my laptop helping with tracking
[14:30] <WILLdude> Same surname?
[14:30] <iain-G4SGX> Do the sigs always drift about like its seeming to, or is it my rx stability? AFC doesnt work cos its so weak.
[14:30] <WILLdude> :P
[14:30] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: you have ~40 mins until landing
[14:30] <Chrisstubbs> Nah :P
[14:30] <bertrik> will cheapo do the same kind of hairpun curve as it did on ascent?
[14:30] <g4fui> LOS in Penrith practically bang on the blue (circle) line ...
[14:30] <Upu_M0UPU> iain-G4SGX depends on the transmitter and insulation
[14:30] <Upu_M0UPU> generally yes
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Drift
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> is d
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> ow
[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> n t
[14:30] <Upu_M0UPU> this is a very weak signal wait for Xaben should be much easier to decode
[14:30] <cm13g09> to make matters worse, Chrisstubbs, you've got another Chris here ;)
[14:31] <chrisg7ogx> and here
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> drift is down to temp. variations and insulation
[14:31] <chrisg7ogx> somebody had a bike
[14:31] <cm13g09> it's almost as bad as when I was at secondary school.... we had 6 Chris' in the same English classes....
[14:32] <cm13g09> didn't end well!
[14:32] <Chrisstubbs> What kinda altitude are clouds at?
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[14:32] <Upu_M0UPU> depends if they are high or low clouds :)
[14:32] <Upu_M0UPU> generally the thicker ones are about 2000 feet
[14:32] <Upu_M0UPU> or they used to be when I parachuted
[14:33] <WILLdude> Parachuted?
[14:33] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[14:33] <WILLdude> Like skydiving?
[14:33] <Upu_M0UPU> exactly like that
[14:34] <WILLdude> Upu_M0UPU: Have I told you I might be allowed to attend a foundation course?
[14:34] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: your vehicle is jumping about the map a bit....
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> awesome WILLdude
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[14:34] <chrisg7ogx> so xaben1 is still tethered?
[14:35] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: Waiting for CHEAPO to land #ukhas http://t.co/23MXpvRfPG [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/331054510048960512]
[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> I would assume so
[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> very slow decent this
[14:35] <WILLdude> Urgh. Ubuntu installation got messed up.
[14:36] <WILLdude> Backing up the stuff I want to keep is difficult.
[14:36] <cm13g09> Chrisstubbs: its on its way in
[14:36] <Chrisstubbs> Yay
[14:36] <cm13g09> 5.8k up still
[14:37] Action: cm13g09 watches for it to land atop Chrisstubbs' car....
[14:38] <[1]chrisstubbs> save us some hassle
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[14:42] <malgar> :D
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[14:44] <[1]chrisstubbs> nearly killed a couple of partridges
[14:45] <cm13g09> lol
[14:45] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: I just hope it misses the A47....
[14:46] <[1]chrisstubbs> yeah... and all the pylons surrounding it!
[14:46] <cm13g09> ah yeah
[14:48] <cm13g09> no.... don't do that you stupid balloon....
[14:48] <cm13g09> (it just changed course for the river....)
[14:49] <eroomde> it may swing to the left as it descends
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[14:49] <eroomde> left relative to looking down its predicted flight path
[14:49] <cm13g09> eroomde: here's hoping
[14:50] <eroomde> they usually do thanks to coriolis being less coriolisy at lower altitudes
[14:50] <cm13g09> fair enough
[14:50] <eroomde> but not normally until the final few hundred meters
[14:50] <malgar> is that the right car position?
[14:50] <cm13g09> malgar: no - it's jumping around a bit
[14:51] <[1]chrisstubbs> we're on gull road
[14:52] <malgar> is that a river? oO
[14:52] <eroomde> nein
[14:53] <eroomde> take pictures of it in the air nsemob_chase
[14:53] <cm13g09> 1.9k to go
[14:54] <cm13g09> and it all looks a bit wet up there....
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> <eroomde> they usually do thanks to coriolis being less coriolisy at lower altitudes
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> wut
[14:54] <Laurenceb_> i think you mean drag from the ground
[14:54] <eroomde> wind travels more directly along the pressure gradient near the ground
[14:54] <eroomde> thnaks to turebulence
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[14:55] <eroomde> rather than across it due to coriolis, which it does more at high altitudes
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> yes
[14:55] <Laurenceb_> but the coriolis effect is still the same
[14:55] <GMT> If you're on Gull Road, prediction say it will land south of A47/Fen Rd
[14:55] <eroomde> oh sure, i was being sloppy
[14:56] <eroomde> you'll tell me next coriolisy isn;t a word
[14:56] <Laurenceb_> nmv :P
[14:56] <cm13g09> seems eroomde has a point
[14:56] <eroomde> he often does
[14:56] <cm13g09> just need a bit more kick left... though
[14:57] <eroomde> it'll get it probably, right in the last 300m or so
[14:57] <malgar> -5 min?
[14:57] <cm13g09> malgar: yeah
[14:57] <eroomde> woah, interesting new prediction
[14:57] <eroomde> guess the prediction doesn;t really know the descent rate?
[14:58] <cm13g09> maybe not
[14:58] <eroomde> Real Soon Now
[14:58] <eroomde> actually that area is pretty much sea level isn;t it
[14:59] <bertrik> descent is slowing it seems
[14:59] <cm13g09> eroomde: yeah
[14:59] <[1]chrisstubbs> time to move closer
[14:59] <cm13g09> it'a actually sub-sea in some areas....
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[14:59] <eroomde> so now is the time for left-swinging
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[15:01] <cm13g09> looks clear of the wet stuff
[15:01] <bertrik> cm13g09: if you look in satellite view, I think you can actually make out the old sea flows in the color of the soil
[15:01] <cm13g09> bertrik: yes,
[15:01] <[1]chrisstubbs> ok, gonna wait for it to land, don't think we can pull up on the A road
[15:01] <malgar> landed?
[15:02] <eroomde> bertrik: fascinating!
[15:02] <malgar> no
[15:02] <malgar> 130
[15:02] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: OK, its all up to you now :)
[15:02] <[1]chrisstubbs> 75m
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[15:03] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: should've landed....
[15:03] <[1]chrisstubbs> landed?
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[15:04] <[1]chrisstubbs> yeah, think batteries popped out
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nice layby in Street view as well
[15:04] <[1]chrisstubbs> will go and look
[15:05] <steve_____> It looks like xaben is flying now as well :)
[15:05] <cm13g09> yup
[15:06] <cm13g09> with the teo being on similar freqs
[15:06] <cm13g09> *two
[15:06] <cm13g09> actually...
[15:06] <cm13g09> probably watching the landing of CHEAPO before launching XABEN
[15:11] <G8KNN> 434.248
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[15:14] <iain-G4SGX> getting a sig but seems to wide to be inside cursors.. strange
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[15:14] <G8KNN> Adjust your shift to about 700Hz
[15:15] <G8KNN> XABEN is way way stronger than CHEAPO was
[15:15] <iain-G4SGX> where's shift?
[15:16] <G8KNN> Right click on RTTY in bottom left corner
[15:16] <GMT> 'SGX, right-click on RTTY in bottom left cortner
[15:16] <G8KNN> The select Custom shift and adjust as appropriate
[15:17] <G4MYS> anyone like to tell me the frequency cant hear a thing in Southampton! Andy G4MYS
[15:17] <GMT> 434.248
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[15:17] <iain-G4SGX> sorted. tnx
[15:17] <G4MYS> many tnx Andy
[15:18] <GMT> 'SGX: while you're in there, open up the filter bandwidth (bottom slider) to abt 200
[15:18] <GMT> SGX: you're c/s appears on the list
[15:19] <iain-G4SGX> WAY stronger.. full decode
[15:19] <[1]chrisstubbs> can someone convert 52.6054,0.02249 to OS 6 fig coords please
[15:19] <jcoxon> iain-G4SGX, finally a tracking station in norfolk :-p
[15:19] <jcoxon> we've been doing this for quite a while and never get a tracking station in norfolk despite 50% of balloons landing there
[15:20] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: TF 3705802767 is the OSGB36 ref
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[15:21] <iain-G4SGX> Strange, loadsa interest from chaps I've been boring the pants off about it locally!
[15:21] <jcoxon> iain-G4SGX, well we often do floating flights out towards denmark etc
[15:21] <jcoxon> you'll be very well placed to track far into the north sea
[15:23] <iain-G4SGX> I know chaps with yagi's on the coast would be better, my antenna very low cos I live in a 'difficult' village..
[15:24] <jcoxon> :-)
[15:24] <jcoxon> the more the merrier when tracking
[15:25] <cm13g09> [1]chrisstubbs: when you said 6-figure grid ref, what were you after?
[15:25] <cm13g09> because I have a 12-figure....
[15:26] <cm13g09> sorry, 10-figure
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[15:26] <iain-G4SGX> Seems to be fading a bit, lost decode
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[15:33] <[1]chrisstubbs> off to find the payload, seems quite a trek
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[15:34] <iain-G4SGX> Watch out for ditches...
[15:36] <g4fui> Yay! first decode of the day :-)
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[15:38] <Maxell> Strong QRM here at XABENs freq.
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[15:40] <Maxell> PE2G: time to wake up :-)
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[15:41] <Maxell> PD4KDZ_klaas: you should also be able to hear it.
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[15:41] <Maxell> brb, noms
[15:42] <PE2G> Maxell: Thanks, actually I was not asleep, I am cooking :)
[15:42] <PD4KDZ_klaas> Yep i was cooking too.;-)
[15:42] <PD4KDZ_klaas> ...tuning
[15:43] <PE2G> Is it still on .248 ?
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[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> No wonder I couldn't see it on the waterfall!
[15:46] <PD4KDZ_klaas> jcoxon what is the freq?
[15:47] <jcoxon> PD4KDZ_klaas, not sure, not listening personally
[15:47] <PD4KDZ_klaas> nothing @ 434.300 here
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[15:48] <PD4KDZ_klaas> i'm of for 45 mins
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[15:49] <Laurenceb_> lol theres a village called warboys
[15:52] <PE2G> PD4KDZ_klaas: it's on 434.2484
[15:53] <SpeedEvil> third channel. anyone happen to know the power use of beagle bone black on idle?
[15:55] <Laurenceb_> over 100ma iirc
[15:55] <PE2G> Good decoding at 464 km
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[15:56] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: sigh.
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[15:57] <SpeedEvil> working power save would be awesome
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm getting it on 434.247.6
[15:57] <Laurenceb_> yeah
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[15:57] <Laurenceb_> there is another way...
[15:57] <Laurenceb_> someone got uclinux to boot on F4discovery
[15:57] <Laurenceb_> with no extra ram
[15:58] <Laurenceb_> using romfs and XIP
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> hah:-)
[15:58] <SpeedEvil> that is maybe a little extreme
[15:59] <Laurenceb_> as soon as you add external ram, current draw tends to creep up
[15:59] <Laurenceb_> sleeping sdram to get low current draw is hard
[16:00] <Laurenceb_> the newer stm32F4 has sdram interface
[16:01] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[16:04] <PE2G> http://s11.postimg.org/nfu8jfjer/Screen848.jpg
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> hah - typos.
[16:05] <SpeedEvil> someone just advertised on a local group a Stargate.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> I'd definitely arrange to collect one of those free.
[16:06] <SpeedEvil> stairgate, not so much.
[16:06] <GMT> what's the postage rate?
[16:06] <eroomde> i'd use it for long distance shipping
[16:07] <GMT> ed, what was your earlier comment about the water-levels dropping? had some rain?
[16:10] <Laurenceb_> was CHEAPO a bit cheapo?
[16:10] <Laurenceb_> XABEN has way more receivers
[16:10] <eroomde> GMT: in france, our village flooded
[16:10] <eroomde> or rather a bit of it did
[16:11] <eroomde> we live where a valley meets a plain, several weeks of rainfall found its way into the stream by our house
[16:11] <eroomde> and that blew a couple of days ago
[16:12] <eroomde> this is a picture of a bit of the cellar at 4pm on friday. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mr4oye5d9je0qeo/2013-05-03%2014.53.56.jpg
[16:12] <eroomde> for ref the cellar is about a tennis court of floor space, ceiling is about 12-15ft high
[16:12] <eroomde> and i took the photo half way down the stemps into it
[16:13] <eroomde> this is the view down onto the steps where i took the first photo, from ground level, 2 hours later
[16:13] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2g7ge02o9ikbh2/2013-05-03%2018.35.36.jpg
[16:13] <eroomde> thankfully it's beginning to drain now, the water level is at the 3rd step down now
[16:14] <eroomde> who knows what state the wine will be in
[16:14] <eroomde> our neighbours are producers and their barrel cellar got similarly flooded
[16:20] <eroomde> also the cess tank is flooded and water has got into the buried oil tank, brutally murdering the boiler
[16:20] <Maxell> PE2G: meh, whats the dial now?
[16:21] <eroomde> but with enough charcuterie and cheese and bread and (bought in an emergency from the local town) wine, we will survive
[16:21] <Maxell> so much QRM :P
[16:22] <PE2G> 434.2490
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[16:24] <pws> pe2g: is it Mark or Space?
[16:24] <PE2G> Mark
[16:25] <pws> pe2g: tnx from Kiel...
[16:26] <PE2G> pws: Correction, 434.2490 is the space freq
[16:28] <pws> pe2g: O.K. ~150km to horizon...
[16:28] <PE2G> The freq is stable, some fast fading, not to deep
[16:29] <PE2G> too deep
[16:30] <jcoxon> pws, :-D should be able to get it when its a bit higher
[16:30] <jcoxon> is steve pushing altitude records again do we think?
[16:30] <iain-G4SGX> Well i discovered my co-linear has a deep null between 8 and 13 degrees elevation. Fades but now back very strong..
[16:30] <RocketBoy> na just a simple flight to 33Km
[16:31] <RocketBoy> can some one stick that in the tracker predictor
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[16:35] <GMT> Chrisstubbs: what news of the recovery of CHEAPO?
[16:35] <Laurenceb_> predicted pop at 33km?
[16:35] <Chrisstubbs> Got it1
[16:36] <RocketBoy> yeah 33km
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[16:37] <pa3weg> hi all
[16:37] <fsphil> xaben's quite weak here
[16:37] <pa3weg> just happen to be at work location: what frequency is XABEN on?
[16:37] <pa3weg> 434.300 is quiet
[16:37] <fsphil> 434.250ish
[16:37] <fsphil> yea I was watching 434.300 for ages
[16:37] <PE2G> 434.2490
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[16:38] <pa3weg> ah, loud signal now
[16:38] <pa3weg> spacenear.us shows 300
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[16:39] <PE2G> pa3weg: they tend to drift a bit
[16:40] <pa3weg> but not that much! 50kHz
[16:41] <pa3weg> anyway, S9 here
[16:41] <pa3weg> lots of fading
[16:42] <fsphil> fixed the frequency on spacenear
[16:42] <fsphil> signal still quite weak here
[16:42] <fsphil> but nice and steady
[16:42] <fsphil> I fancy pizza, brb
[16:42] <daveake> I only spotted it earlier because it was just in range of the FCD
[16:43] <pa3weg> I fancy a pizza to, but have to go home to bake one soon ;)
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[16:47] <Maxell> bertrik: $$XABEN16"V12:$,Y.lCy!9K!*2XC-
[16:48] <Maxell> XABAN,EKk%c9$4t9 etc
[16:48] <PE2G> The band is beautifully quiet here (for a change)
[16:49] <f5ct> good here but i am not on the map...
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[16:49] <pws> 100km to horizon...
[16:50] <Maxell> PE2G: heh. http://i.imgur.com/hmY2r8m.png
[16:51] <steve_____> hmmm 0/2 today need better kit!
[16:51] <Maxell> :( http://i.imgur.com/zyTyclD.png
[16:52] <Maxell> bertrik: like that
[16:52] <PE2G> Maxell: Do you know the noise source?
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[16:53] <Maxell> PE2G: I have never seen it before.
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[16:54] <Maxell> PE2G: I'll check later this week if it's still there
[16:56] <iain-G4SGX> f5ct; did you put your longtitude and latitude into fldigi/
[16:57] <PE2G> f5ct: Configure > Operator > DL Client > Location > enter your decimal coordinates
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[16:58] <PE2G> And click Save
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[17:00] <PD4KDZ_klaas> PA3WEG @ the roof?
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[17:02] <PE2G> Almost no fading anymore
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[17:03] <Maxell> $$XABEN1,680,1:02<u4,d.4728<-0.05s79,32087*6A4
[17:03] <Maxell> meh
[17:04] <g4fui> PET2G: Interesting, deep fading here!
[17:04] <iain-G4SGX> I find it interesting that it fades so some but not others. Do you think its from the antenna swinging about or local atmospheric absorption variations?
[17:04] <G8KNN> burst
[17:05] <PD4KDZ_klaas> tropo ducting?
[17:05] <g4fui> Noticed a frequency wobble here as it went
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[17:08] <Maxell> bertrik: nope, strong QRM makes it very difficult even to spot the signal. http://i.imgur.com/Rmg6ich.png
[17:09] <PE2G> Maxell: I finally got some noise too ;) http://s24.postimg.org/9n7tqn0ad/Screen849.jpg
[17:09] <Maxell> PE2G: thats a bit much shift isnt it?
[17:10] <f5ct> Thanks you G4SGX and PE2G. OK
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[17:11] <iain-G4SGX> G7VRK in Norfolk also tracking but not on map yet
[17:12] <arko> morning
[17:12] <arko> nice XABEN1 is landing
[17:14] <pws> congrats; no trace here at Kiel, only 60km to horizon...
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[17:15] <jcoxon> pws, maybe next time
[17:17] <pws> tnx; missing my old antenna: http://www.df3lp.de/misc/ham/df3lp_mb-ant2s.jpg
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[17:17] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:17] <arko> wow thats a hell of a setup
[17:17] <jcoxon> pws, nice
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[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> I just got a strange result
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> I tried to figure out why our payload fell so slow at the end
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> slower than calculated for this parachute
[17:18] <PE2G> pws: Fantastic!
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> so I solved for C_D
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> and got about 2.5
[17:18] <Lunar_Lander> that seems insane
[17:19] <PE2G> I lost it at alt.~13 km. Goodbye all.
[17:19] <PD4KDZ_klaas> bye
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[17:23] <arko> eroomde: did your fpga board come with a super short power plug cable?
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[17:24] <pa3weg> back inside
[17:24] <pa3weg> still tracking
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[17:26] <pa3weg> lots and lots of QRM now...
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[17:29] <pa3weg> anyway, have to run home now
[17:29] <pa3weg> cheers all
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[17:29] <PD4KDZ_klaas> pa3weg @home? or @delft
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[17:32] <arko> try a / before quit
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[17:33] <fsphil> yay
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[17:36] <arko> sup fsphil
[17:37] <fsphil> had pizza
[17:37] <fsphil> which is both good and bad
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[17:38] <arko> good ol pizza
[17:38] <cm13g09> looks like XABEN is going to land in a sensible place as well :)
[17:38] <arko> i just woke up had some tea and cheese+muffin, good way to start the morning
[17:38] <arko> wow nice, hopefully not in that water channel though
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[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi fsphil and arko
[17:41] <iain-G4SGX> gone here now
[17:41] <fsphil> howdy kev
[17:41] <cm13g09> arko: shouldn't do if it does similar to CHEAPO
[17:41] <arko> sup
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[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> did you read what I wrote on the parachute calculations?
[17:42] <arko> 10points if it lands on that roof
[17:43] <arko> oh wow touchdown is close to water :-!
[17:43] <cm13g09> arko: the alt. is too high for landing
[17:43] <cm13g09> that area is ~0m above sea level
[17:43] <arko> hmm
[17:43] <arko> there you!
[17:43] <arko> 1m
[17:43] <cm13g09> yeah
[17:43] <arko> haha
[17:44] <cm13g09> that.... was close....
[17:44] <arko> :)
[17:44] <iain-G4SGX> altitude 1M !
[17:44] <arko> who's is xaben?
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[17:44] <fsphil> ah man couldn't get better than that
[17:44] <cm13g09> nope
[17:44] <fsphil> it was RocketBoys
[17:44] <cm13g09> you can't beat that
[17:44] <arko> right off the road
[17:44] <cm13g09> VERY close to water
[17:44] <cm13g09> but missed
[17:46] <G4MYS> Very good interesting flight thanks Lads lets have another go soon Andy in sunny Southampton
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[17:47] <GMT> any news from the NSE team?
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[17:50] <RocketBoy> got it
[17:50] <pws> great flight; hopefully not dropped into the overhead power line...
[17:51] <m0psx> Enjoyed that - My first time tracking a balloon. Expect a write-up and some vide at www.essexham.co.uk very soon!
[17:52] <daveake> good job RocketBoy
[17:52] <arko> congrats RocketBoy :)
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[17:56] <RocketBoy> :-)
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[18:02] <g4fui> Interesting comparison - CHEAPO, not a single successful decode; XABEN, hardly any dropouts when in range.
[18:04] <qyx_> are there any known regulations regarding party balloons? :X
[18:04] <qyx_> with payloads of around ~10g
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[18:07] <GMT> I *think* is less than 2m in any direction, no NOTAN req'd for launch
[18:08] <GMT> is=if
[18:08] <jonsowman> fits within a 2m sphere _for the entire flight_
[18:08] <GMT> NOTAN=NOTAM
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[18:08] <mrShrimp> Hello, is anyone willing to help me troubleshoot a gps unit?
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[18:08] <qyx_> hm, is that EU global?
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[18:09] <mrShrimp> It was working fine 3 or so months ago (which was the last time I tested it) but now, with the same code, it does not work.
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[18:11] <mrShrimp> I am testing it with my Arduino Uno right now using the code from my previous attempts at getting it to work: http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,132132.0.html Nothing seems to be coming out of the data pin on the GPS though. Could this be a broken GPS?
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[18:12] <qyx_> check it with led or scope
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[18:13] <mrShrimp> On a voltmeter it stays at a constant 11mV
[18:13] <mrShrimp> I can try with an led.
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[18:14] <qyx_> ttl-level async serial idles at vcc, you should see 3.3V or 5V on it
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[18:17] <mrShrimp> The GPS unit is hooked up to the 5v pin on the Arduino.
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[18:18] <qyx_> i assume that also GND is connected
[18:19] <qyx_> yesterday someone asked if he should connect gnd
[18:21] <mrShrimp> Yes
[18:21] <mrShrimp> 0.0
[18:21] <mrShrimp> GND is connected as well
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[18:22] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: SSDV radio circuitry soldered up and cutdown control prototype board built - ready for testing #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/331111599454687233]
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[18:22] <mrShrimp> I am not getting anything from the LED
[18:23] <mrShrimp> The GPS unit feels a bit warm, but that might be an illusion.
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[18:26] <G4MYS> what voltage are you putting on the LED? and remember they only work one way!
[18:29] <qyx_> mrShrimp: is there any indicator of activity on the unit?
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[18:29] <qyx_> some of them have internal led
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[18:31] <mrShrimp> There is no internal LED, so the only way I have of measuring activity is via the output. I am hooking up the negative side of the LED to the TTL output and the positive side to different things on the Arduino. The TTL output appears to be connected to the GND in the GPS unit, because I am getting a strong (5v) light when I connect the positive end of the LED to the 5v rail.
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[18:32] <mrShrimp> I forget exactly how I measured the output last time... :P
[18:33] <Chrisstubbs> Tried to tweet our recover pic about 6 times now, silly phone
[18:34] <eroomde> mrShrimp: does the GPS have a PPS?
[18:34] <mrShrimp> Yes, and an RS-232 output
[18:35] <mrShrimp> Should I test those?
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[18:35] <G4MYS> Bear in mind LEDS work off about 2 volts and would usually be connected through a resistor, the valve depends on the colour of the LED and its size, you would be advised to connect via a 250 ohm 1/4 watt resistor for starters or you could neuk the LED!
[18:35] <eroomde> see if there is a pps on the pps line
[18:36] <eroomde> that should mean it's doing *something* to do with running code internally
[18:36] <eroomde> also which gps unit are you using?
[18:36] <mrShrimp> Trimble Copernicus 2
[18:37] <mrShrimp> http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,132132.0.html
[18:37] <eroomde> hipster gps
[18:38] <eroomde> nice
[18:40] <mrShrimp> What is the best way to measure the PPS output? LED?
[18:40] <eroomde> a multimeter would do if it's not too slow
[18:40] <eroomde> or a cope
[18:40] <nigelvh> LED aught to work fine. A digital multimeter is probably too slow
[18:40] <eroomde> scope*
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[18:45] <mrShrimp> When I hook up the PPS output to the 5v rail with a resistor and LED in the middle, the LED lights up very bright (brighter than with the TTL output at least).
[18:46] <mrShrimp> It does not change intensity.
[18:46] <mrShrimp> Am I measuring the right thing?
[18:46] <nigelvh> Connect the other end of the LED to ground.
[18:46] <eroomde> possibly
[18:46] <nigelvh> the PPS signal general rests low and goes high for the PPS.
[18:46] <eroomde> but better to do PPs---resistor---led----gnd
[18:47] <mrShrimp> When I do that, nothing happens D:
[18:47] <nigelvh> Watch the LED very carefully, the blink may be very short.
[18:50] <mrShrimp> Nope
[18:50] <mrShrimp> I am pretty sure there is no blink.
[18:50] <nigelvh> Then there could be an issue with your GPS or it's power supply.
[18:51] <mrShrimp> Power supply is steady 5v from arduino.
[18:51] <mrShrimp> It has worked for me in the past.
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[18:51] <mrShrimp> I don't see how the GPS could have gotten damaged though. I left it and didn't touch it.
[18:52] <eroomde> presumbly you've tried seeing if the arduino can see serial
[18:52] <mrShrimp> Yes, no results.
[18:53] <mrShrimp> Are there any other ways I could test the GPS?
[18:53] <nigelvh> You can try the same LED setup on the GPS's TX line.
[18:54] <nigelvh> See if the led blinks indicating the GPS is sending data.
[18:54] <mrShrimp> I connect the LED to GND on the Arduino side?
[18:55] <eroomde> the gps's tx line
[18:55] <eroomde> the arduino's rx line
[18:55] <eroomde> on the anode
[18:55] <eroomde> and then the other end to gns vias a resistor
[18:55] <eroomde> resistor can be eithers die
[18:55] <eroomde> side*
[18:57] <mrShrimp> Do I need a resistor inbetween?
[18:57] <mrShrimp> I have never used one before.. Maybe that is why it doesn't work now.
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[19:00] <eroomde> you need a resistor in series the the led
[19:00] <eroomde> it can be either side of the led
[19:00] <eroomde> so power-resistor-led-gnd, or power-led-resistor-gnd
[19:00] <nigelvh> mrShrimp, here's some good reading on how to set up LEDs and resistors.
[19:00] <nigelvh> http://learn.adafruit.com/all-about-leds
[19:01] <mrShrimp> Oh I thought you meant the LED on the Arduino.
[19:01] <G4MYS> resitor can be either side it does not matter for what your up too it goes in series not across the LED, do you g have a couple of AA or AAA batteries , hold them together in series with the resistor and LED it will light if youve not neuked it and the batteries are OK
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[19:05] <mrShrimp> When I connect an LED from the tx line on the GPS to the rx line on the Arduino Uno, it lights up. I don't think that is from data coming through though.
[19:07] <mrShrimp> When I test it on a multimeter, it shows up as the same voltage as on the power rail.
[19:07] <nigelvh> No. GPS TX LINE -> RESISTOR -> LED -> GND.
[19:08] <mrShrimp> Oh sorry. I am getting nothing with that set up.
[19:08] <nigelvh> Is the LED in the right direction. Try the other direction to make sure.
[19:09] <nigelvh> If you don't see anything, your GPS isn't sending anything.
[19:09] <mrShrimp> I am under a metal roof, which was a problem in the past with receiving data. The GPS should be sending signals regardless though, right?
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[19:10] <mrShrimp> So it is probably a malfunctioning GPS?
[19:10] <nigelvh> Yes, if the GPS isn't sending anything either the power is bad, or the GPS is broken.
[19:10] <mrShrimp> OK
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[19:11] <mrShrimp> I will contact the person I bought it from. If it comes to buying a new one, what is a good GPS that I can use as a replacement?
[19:12] <nigelvh> Most people use the ublox 6
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[19:12] <nigelvh> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=68
[19:12] <nigelvh> This is a good one from Upu.
[19:14] <mrShrimp> Wow, this Copernicus II module is quite a bit bigger, and was more expensive as well. -_-
[19:17] <gonzo_mob> the ublox have a lot of han flights to their name
[19:17] <gonzo_mob> eve peeps btw
[19:17] <eroomde> solo flights too
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[19:18] <mrShrimp> Great, thanks! Is a secondary GPS necessary as well? I've heard people talk about the need for redundancy, but I don't think I can cash out on two GPS unit.
[19:19] <eroomde> 99% don't bother
[19:19] <nigelvh> Most people just use one system.
[19:19] <daveake> and Habba the Jutt
[19:19] <mrShrimp> OK, thanks a bunch!
[19:22] <gonzo_mob> people tend to fly a second trusted simple tracker if they are trykng out something new and untested
[19:23] <nigelvh> Assuming they have a second trusted simple tracker.
[19:23] <gonzo_mob> tis the case
[19:24] <gonzo_mob> or see if someone else has and wants to piggy back your flight
[19:25] <nigelvh> Or if you can piggyback on theirs.
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[19:29] <mrShrimp> I'm in the U.S. so I don't know how many other people with the UKHAS setup I could find. I could find people with APRS for sure, but I feel like it is an outdated system, for HAB at least.
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[19:30] <eroomde> it has some advantages over our system
[19:30] <eroomde> number of listeners (not that that's a huge problem for us anymore) and power/range
[19:30] <SpeedEvil> however outdated it is matters not if it is widely deployed
[19:31] <gonzo_mob> the mode is very inefficient. but thry have the afvantage of being able to fly AR kit
[19:32] <gonzo_mob> so the rf power and freqs are easy
[19:32] <gonzo_mob> you can buy a new chinese hheld for less than a radiometrix block
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[19:40] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: Recovered! #UKHAS http://t.co/dtjSPBDj7H [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/331131345403256833]
[19:41] <fsphil> nice
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> the rubber on british stamps has an energy of 5.9 calories, that of german only 2, just read that
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> or germany: 8.2 Joules, Britian: 24,19 J
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> *24.19
[19:43] <SpeedEvil> rubbish
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> that's well over a gram
[19:44] <SpeedEvil> the stamp doesn't weigh a tenth of that
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:45] <SpeedEvil> I would go and weight a stamp. but...
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[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah no problem
[19:49] <chrisstubbs_> Evening all
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> fat is eight calories per gram. carbs 4
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[19:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> I've just made two pressure sensors comparsion : http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA-1/czujniki.png
[19:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> two sensors into two payloads - very accurate:-)
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[20:02] <arko> nice data!
[20:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> arko: thank You :-)
[20:08] <fsphil> nice that they both go down to zero
[20:08] <fsphil> and indeed below zero in one case
[20:10] <eroomde> i think Darkside saw that before
[20:11] <eroomde> the big error at low pressures
[20:11] <eroomde> that could just be a rollover or something
[20:11] <fsphil> it looks like it
[20:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> CHEAPO Object Movie is at http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/CHEAPO/CHEAPO20130505.html and the Pano from Burst is at http://360.g8dhe.net/default.php?HAB
[20:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> XABEN49 Object Movie is at http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN49/XABEN49.html and the same as above for the Pano
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[20:22] <SP9UOB_Tom> i dont like HP03SA, it requires lots of math, and external clock
[20:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> but it looks better :-) BMP085 also have "rollover" problem
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> what do you mean?
[20:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: i mean, that i do not like HP03SA :-)
[20:26] <fsphil> 255 + 1 = 0
[20:26] <fsphil> that's a rollover problem
[20:27] <nigelvh> Yay binary math!
[20:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> no, 0-1 = 255 :-)
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[20:27] <fsphil> 255+255 = 254
[20:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> yeah :-)
[20:27] <fsphil> love it
[20:28] <daveake> There are 3 math errors in software ... overflows, divide by zero, and out by 1
[20:28] <daveake> that was supposed to be "2" math errors
[20:28] <daveake> dammit
[20:28] <eroomde> i was gonna say
[20:28] <eroomde> aspergers win
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[20:28] <fsphil> lol
[20:28] <daveake> :)
[20:28] <fsphil> you just can't help being right
[20:29] <daveake> hah
[20:29] <gonzo_mob> nope that was a case in point
[20:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> daveake: there are 10 errore in software ;-)
[20:29] <daveake> :)
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[20:34] <arko> :O
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[20:34] <arko> i just discovered a Milka Oreo bar in my desk
[20:34] <arko> forgot all about it
[20:34] <fsphil> love it when that happens
[20:34] <nigelvh> OOOOH
[20:35] <fsphil> actually
[20:35] <arko> my gf brought some for me last time she was in austria
[20:35] <arko> expires 19/07/13
[20:35] <fsphil> you've just reminded me there's a toffee crisp bar downstairs
[20:35] <arko> which is funny, because there is no such thing as a 19th month
[20:35] <nigelvh> I'm watching packets come in from inside my freezer. Nice and cold.
[20:35] <arko> so this ever expires!
[20:35] <nigelvh> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=K7NVH-9
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[20:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: i did the same :-)
[20:37] <nigelvh> Probably get some dry ice later. I'm too lazy to go down to the University and use the thermal chambers to get colder.
[20:39] <arko> err
[20:39] <arko> should i open it?
[20:39] <arko> its my last bar
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> pity dry ice is virtually impossible to source in the UK
[20:40] <arko> really?
[20:40] <arko> why?
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> dunno
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> no-one uses it
[20:40] <arko> meat markets?
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> fairly easy to get LN2 tho :P
[20:40] <Laurenceb_> never seen it used
[20:41] <arko> i always get dry ice from my local meat market
[20:41] <fsphil> I tried drying ice once but it just melted
[20:43] <Laurenceb_> lol
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[20:44] <Laurenceb_> i think everyone seems to use either very cold freezers or LN2 over here
[20:44] <nigelvh> Yeah, I assume I can find some at the local grocery store.
[20:44] <chrisstubbs> Looks like xaben got a couple more listeners than cheapo then :P
[20:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: use comperssed position and telemetry: http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=SP9UOB-11
[20:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: frames are shorter
[20:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> full frame with pos and telemetry: 2013-05-04 13:36:02 CEST: SP9UOB-11>APDST2,qAo,SQ3KAQ:!/4uhOSB>AO/I>/A=021542|%gK[<OEgAt!)!$|
[20:45] <nigelvh> Yes, I agree the frames are shorter, but if you don't have APRS.fi in front of you, just a packet decoder, it's harder to get the info.
[20:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: i have my own decoder :)
[20:46] <nigelvh> I am considering moving to a position packet and a telemetry packet to get shorter packets.
[20:46] <nigelvh> But I haven't had too much issue with this setup.
[20:46] <oh7lzb> ah, but you can download a packet decoder which does that for you.
[20:47] <oh7lzb> Having two packets will increase overhead even more.
[20:47] <nigelvh> Likely so.
[20:47] <nigelvh> There's relatively little traffic where I fly, so it's generally not an issue to have longer packets.
[20:47] <nigelvh> Excepting the transmission reliability.
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> arko, milka + oreo is awesome
[20:48] <oh7lzb> Get a bit wrong and CRC check will fail, resulting in a dropped frame.
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> Laurenceb_, no dry ice at uni?
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> at the biology department?
[20:48] <nigelvh> Yes, that's the bit about the reliability.
[20:48] <fsphil> you could slap some RS codes onto the end of an ax.25 frame. which I believe someone did
[20:48] <fsphil> but probably isn't supported by anyone
[20:49] <fsphil> fx.25
[20:49] <oh7lzb> at that point it would make sense to just scrap the whole ax.25 and aprs nonsense, and do something that is not silly :)
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[20:49] <fsphil> 10 years ago
[20:50] <fsphil> in saying that I'm currently using a mode developed before the second world war
[20:51] <nigelvh> RTTY is simple and useful. Why change what works?
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[20:52] <fsphil> true
[20:52] <oh7lzb> Hmm. A little advance in technology is sometimes nice.
[20:53] <nigelvh> APRS and AX.25 is a bit complicated, but it seems to work, and for us american's it's a glorious pile of free infrastructure.
[20:53] <nigelvh> I would drop it in a second for your RTTY system, but it's what we've got.
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[20:54] <gonzo_mob> ax25 has the advantage of working with fm rx
[20:54] <KT5TK> oh7lzb: How would something more advanced than ax25 look like?
[20:54] <oh7lzb> It might be a cool project to encode a little more data in a WSPR-kind of super-slow HF modem, and transmit floater balloon positions using that. Might be received really, really far away.
[20:54] <nigelvh> FM is nice as long as you have an abundance of power.
[20:55] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, you will like the onboard flight video from today ;)
[20:55] <gonzo_mob> which the us have
[20:55] <nigelvh> Yes, we do.
[20:55] <gonzo_mob> so jelous
[20:55] <nigelvh> Not probably a good option for the UK guys with 10mW
[20:55] <nigelvh> 250mW, now FM makes sense.
[20:56] <oh7lzb> KT5TK: Using a better modem than bell AFSK, and adding a bit of FEC on top would be a nice start (and would not exclude using AX.25 below that actually).
[20:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> oh7lzb: im working on WSPR
[20:57] <oh7lzb> SP9UOB_Tom: Oh, excellent.
[20:57] <gonzo_mob> o'd guess the ratio of stations with fm vs ssb radios is summut like 10:1
[20:57] <gonzo_mob> so more gnf stations
[20:57] <nigelvh> I got wspr working as well, but there's not a lot of room to include data.
[20:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> ...and GPS controlled frequency calibration
[20:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: qth locator is enough
[20:58] <nigelvh> If you do two packets you can do a six char position locator, which is pretty good for a floater
[20:58] <KT5TK> Wouldn't it be a good start to do some GFSK on 70cm that still ties in into the APRS-IS stream?
[20:58] <oh7lzb> Yup, WSPR as such won't do, will need a protocol extension to put more data than the callsign.
[20:58] <nigelvh> Single packet gets only the four position which is fairly wide.
[20:59] <oh7lzb> KT5TK: Yeah, there are other modems which will work with a FM radio.
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, why exactly?
[21:00] <nigelvh> Anyway, I think I'm off to the store to grab a bit of dry ice.
[21:01] <KT5TK> For the 2 transmission WSPR you'd get at least a 6 digit locator. You could also encode an approximate altitude in the power field (which is not of much use in a balloon anyways)
[21:02] <Laurenceb_> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/harry_potter_metadata.jpg
[21:03] <KT5TK> I like #Horror :)
[21:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> Firemans has recovered SEBA-2 from the tree :-)
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> great
[21:04] <KT5TK> Congrats! Did you take pictures?
[21:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA-1/IMG_1895.JPG
[21:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA-1/IMG_1897.JPG
[21:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/SEBA-1/IMG_1898.JPG
[21:05] <KT5TK> Nice ladder
[21:08] <arko> haha
[21:09] <arko> thats very nice of them
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[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyway, do You know polish ;-) ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnN79SPAh2U
[21:10] <chrisstubbs> Evening RocketBoy
[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dSevdHPXE
[21:11] <RocketBoy> yo chrisstubbs - did you get it back? 
[21:11] <arko> askjfalehfaef Balloon ajfdieogj;eoijg Stratosphere alsf;jeifoeaija
[21:11] <arko> :) cool clip
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> Yeah nice easy recovery!
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> pulled into a cafe and walked down a footpath :P
[21:13] <arko> ahh the sweet sound of RTTY
[21:13] <chrisstubbs> thanks again for helping us out at the launch
[21:13] <RocketBoy> np
[21:13] <arko> chrisstubbs: you guys got it back?
[21:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: no ladder ;-) It's doesnt count ;-)
[21:13] <RocketBoy> mine was an equally easy recovery
[21:13] <chrisstubbs> Got some great photos too!
[21:13] <arko> :) epicccc
[21:13] <chrisstubbs> RocketBoy, yours looked very close to that river
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> thought it has floated down it the way it followed it
[21:14] <RocketBoy> it was - very very close
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> haha
[21:14] <RocketBoy> ihang on
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> how did the uni guys one go?
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> arko yeah all went pretty well! the signal was pretty pants again
[21:14] <RocketBoy> they lost one - don;t know about the other
[21:15] <chrisstubbs> but strong enough for us to get about 50% of the strings from it
[21:15] <arko> oh good
[21:15] <chrisstubbs> Ah man thats bad news
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> just uploading some photos and video now
[21:19] <RocketBoy> lucky lucky landing :- http://imagebin.org/256609
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> blimey
[21:20] <RocketBoy> we were on the other side of the drainage ditch and saw it land - no pics though :-(
[21:20] <RocketBoy> I really thought it was going in the water
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> We tried to get in position to see ours land but didnt quite work our :P one day
[21:21] <KT5TK> So who was swimming to the other side?
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, yeah that is lucky, comparing to my landing two months ago :)
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> naah
[21:21] <RocketBoy> oh weah
[21:21] <RocketBoy> yeah
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> there was that hanging on a tree over the river
[21:21] <RocketBoy> i remember
[21:21] <RocketBoy> james c's
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> BallastHalo 4
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> couple of years ago
[21:22] <RocketBoy> yeah that was even luckier
[21:26] <RocketBoy> bbl
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[21:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[21:32] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: A small selection of photos from CHEAPO today: http://t.co/bnz6Tqlgi7 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/331159414847467520]
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[21:37] <Upu_M0UPU> evening
[21:37] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[21:37] <Upu> that was close RocketBoy :)
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> Hey Upu
[21:37] <Upu> hey chrisstubbs
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> you did well getting cheapo again today
[21:37] <Upu> yeah something up with that its most definetely not 10mW
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> last time it was set to 12mw output in the software
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> this time i set it to 25mw just to be sure
[21:38] <Upu> well might be in software not in reality
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> still not even close to 10mw erp
[21:38] <Upu> 19 element yagi into a HABAmp into an FCD with the gain set to +30dB
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> i think that board needs setting up to 100mw and sending off to its grave in the skies
[21:39] <Upu> normal 1/4wave ?
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> Yeah
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> solid core wire
[21:39] <Upu> probably the RFM22B
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> in straws this time so the radials didnt bend
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> could be a faulty module yeah
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> know who to speak to about that dont i :P
[21:40] <Upu> can't really test them though thats the issue
[21:40] <Upu> lol
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> haha no problem
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/sets/72157633427283826/
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> the antenna got a bit... flattened... on landing
[21:40] <Upu> yes just looking through them nice pics
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> took me standing on a fence with the yagi for about 10 mins to get a decode on the ground
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> cheers :) very happy with the ones from the cannon
[21:41] <Upu> Well as I said when M0DTS is the only one receiving you have issues
[21:42] <Upu> there was nothing wrong with the signal just wasn't much of it
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> Think it could have been my home etched board casuing problems
[21:42] <Upu> still you got it back congrats :)
[21:43] <Upu> well possibly
[21:43] <Upu> did you do it in Eagle ?
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> yeah we stuck pretty close to it so got some good signals with the 5/8 magmount and yagi
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> yeah i did
[21:43] <Upu> mail me the eagle files
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> made it a bit smaller and double sided to send to hackvana at some point
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> shall i send you old and new?
[21:44] <Upu> yes pls
[21:44] <chrisstubbs> cheers :)
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> Upu: http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/eagle/
[21:46] <Upu> ta
[21:47] <Upu> yeah that transmission line is far from ideal from the RFM22B output
[21:48] <Upu> and don't send that double sided one :)
[21:49] <Upu> the chip antenna will struggle like that
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[21:50] <chrisstubbs> ah ok
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> thanks for checking it out
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> how can I improve?
[21:50] <Upu> I'll have a good look tomorrow
[21:50] <Upu> and give you some ideas and pointers
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> perfect, thank you
[21:51] <Upu> but in short anywhere RF is involved should be straight not convoluted generally
[21:51] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/8710972065/in/set-72157633427283826
[21:51] <arko> thats a cool one
[21:51] <Upu> but yes we can go through it tomorrow
[21:51] <Upu> yeah I liked that one too
[21:52] <chrisstubbs> Sooo cool and fluffy.. i wonder whats in there:
[21:52] <chrisstubbs> http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/8710970485/in/set-72157633427283826/
[21:52] <chrisstubbs> uh oh
[21:52] <chrisstubbs> lol
[21:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] Flight Announcements - Elsworth launch fest
[21:53] <arko> nice
[21:53] <arko> sailing on fluffy clouds
[21:53] <chrisstubbs> Cheers dude
[21:54] <chrisstubbs> the camera got really fogged on the way down, but not on the way up
[21:54] <arko> reminded me of this video http://vimeo.com/channels/light/19430252
[21:54] <arko> oh good
[21:55] <chrisstubbs> was cool to see some of the rockets go up from EARS
[21:55] <arko> did your hab capture them launching?
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> Afraid not
[22:01] <arko> Upu: i found a pcb manufacturer that does pink pcbs, 5 of my pico boards will cost $87, but it gets much better with more units
[22:01] <Upu> lol
[22:01] <arko> im so tempted
[22:01] <arko> neon pink almost
[22:02] <Upu> pic ?
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[22:03] <arko> hmm
[22:03] <arko> afraid not
[22:03] <arko> they didnt show examples, but the guy said they are close to neon pink
[22:03] <arko> http://www.mos-electronic.com/en/index.htm
[22:03] <arko> like that company
[22:04] <chrisstubbs> Things like that should not be allowed to be made :P
[22:05] <arko> 100% disagree
[22:05] <chrisstubbs> hahaha
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[22:06] <arko> :P
[22:06] <arko> i figured Upu would appricate pink pcbs
[22:06] <adambro> anyone know the latest regarding the ICSEDS balloons ?
[22:06] <Upu> loads of detail in their product catalogue
[22:07] <arko> yeah
[22:07] <arko> they have like impedance measurements
[22:07] <arko> tables upon tables
[22:07] <Upu> no idea it wasn't really a UKHAS launch adambro
[22:07] <Upu> I heard some chirping around 434.650 when it was meant to be up
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[22:09] <adambro> okay cheers Upu. Just saw they were thought to have landed near Peterborough and I'm in that general area so was wondering if they'd been picked up yet
[22:09] <fsphil> I didn't realise there was a third launch today
[22:09] <Upu> yeah Imperial College but no idea what telemetry they were using
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> They had a mobile phone and an NTX2 on breadboard from what i saw
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> not RTY afaik
[22:10] <Upu> I heard something giving 1 second chirps
[22:11] <chrisstubbs> I have had a proper lunar_lander moment http://bit.ly/13iqbmv
[22:11] <fsphil> what is it with schools and doing things ackward? :)
[22:12] <fsphil> well this is the last straw
[22:12] <fsphil> I hope
[22:12] <Upu> no idea
[22:12] <Upu> universities really
[22:12] <Upu> trying to improve the wheel
[22:12] <Upu> generally failing
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[22:14] <chrisstubbs> "I think this is called a hail mary, becuase you need a bit of a prayer"
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> stever reassuring words seconds before lobbing our payload into the air
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> very effective method actually
[22:15] <Upu> oh his over arm technique ?
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> yeah
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[22:16] <Upu> right bed time for me night all
[22:16] <chrisstubbs> Night upu!
[22:16] <Upu> congrats on the launch chrisstubbs
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> Thanks!
[22:19] <nigelvh> Alrighty, back with dry ice, and managed to kill my lipo like many of you guys have experienced. Guess my payloads never got that cold.
[22:21] <nigelvh> http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&call=K7NVH-9
[22:22] <nigelvh> Where it starts getting positions is where I took it out of the freezer and stuck it in a cooler on top of a block of dry ice.
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[22:22] <nigelvh> Now using the ultimate lithiums
[22:25] <chrisstubbs> What is the "RF" field on your APRS?
[22:26] <nigelvh> I've got a directional coupler on the board, and it feeds into an ADC channel. In summary, it's proportional to the RF power output.
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[22:26] <nigelvh> It is reading right now about 116, and normally when I measure it I get about 250mW, so there's that.
[22:27] <nigelvh> Also, temperature is in Fahrenheit because I'm weird and grew up in a different place.
[22:27] <chrisstubbs> yeah i was thinking earlier why your frezer only goes down to 3 haha
[22:28] <nigelvh> Yeah, 2-3 in Fahrenheit is a lot colder than 2-3 Celsius
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[22:41] <chrisstubbs> Im off now, Night"
[22:41] <nigelvh> Evening
[22:41] <nigelvh> I'm going to watch cold stuff.
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> aha enjoy
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> use the internal resistance of the battery to heat it up
[22:42] <nigelvh> Yes, shorting the battery is obviously the best solution.
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> lol
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> good luck
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[22:44] <Laurenceb_> attn eroomde
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> http://www.quantumg.net/mockingbird.pdf
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