highaltitude.log.20130503

[00:12] <arko> damn
[00:12] <arko> so im going to be on the discovery channel in canada today..
[00:12] <arko> but i dont know how to watch it from the states :/
[00:12] <nigelvh> Why you on discovery canada?
[00:12] <arko> the back to the future car restoration
[00:12] <nigelvh> Ah
[00:12] <arko> they did a piece on it
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[03:07] <eroomde> morn
[03:26] <arko> someones up early
[03:27] <arko> its like 4am
[03:27] <eroomde> 3:27
[03:27] <eroomde> am on the bus to london
[03:27] <arko> oh neat
[03:27] <arko> conference?
[03:27] <eroomde> where i have a 7am eurostar to paris
[03:27] <arko> nice!
[03:28] <eroomde> the TGV to dijon
[03:28] <arko> visiting family?
[03:28] <eroomde> then (hopefully) dad's car to beaune for a few days at the family house
[03:28] <arko> :)
[03:29] <eroomde> but yes i am a bit sleepy
[03:29] <eroomde> but the bus is almost empty and there'll be a nice sunrise
[03:29] <arko> if you are not underground when it happens
[03:30] <arko> i wish we had better public transport
[03:30] <eroomde> train is not till 7
[03:30] <eroomde> yeah the coachs ervice from lond-oxford is really great
[03:31] <eroomde> one of the best bits of infrastructure (for me)
[03:31] <arko> going for the weekend?
[03:31] <eroomde> yes
[03:31] <eroomde> it's a long weekend here
[03:31] <eroomde> am going till wed
[03:32] <arko> nice!
[03:33] <eroomde> let's hope so!
[03:37] <arko> how does cell internet work out there?
[03:37] <arko> you dont need region unlocks right?
[03:37] <arko> withing eu uk
[03:37] <eroomde> nope, everything should Just Work everywhere
[03:38] <arko> Just Work (tm)
[03:38] <eroomde> zackly
[03:40] <eroomde> i love the beginnings of the slight bandings of colour on the orizon
[03:40] <eroomde> i think the last time i saw it was going through the sierra nevadas
[03:41] <arko> have your camera?
[03:42] <eroomde> yup
[03:42] <eroomde> but not the charger, i just realised
[03:42] <eroomde> which is a bit of a fail
[03:45] <eroomde> i have packed and left a bit chaotically
[03:49] <arko> oh thats the worst
[03:49] <arko> i've done that twice while camping
[03:49] <eroomde> i think i have the spare batt
[04:09] <eroomde> within greater london
[04:09] <eroomde> quite a fast journey at stupid o'clock
[04:09] <arko> traffic is perfect :P
[04:10] <eroomde> the sun is arisin
[04:11] <arko> wow already?
[04:11] <eroomde> well no not really
[04:11] <eroomde> the sky is getting brighter
[04:11] <eroomde> sunrise is 5.30
[04:11] <eroomde> it's 5:11 now
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[04:12] <arko> ah
[04:12] <arko> yeah we lost that little bit of blue sky an hour ago
[04:13] <arko> \o/ world is round
[04:13] <eroomde> now we have proof
[04:13] <arko> woot
[04:14] <arko> im stuck here making transfer functions :(
[04:14] <arko> so tired
[04:14] <arko> only so many times can i take a rlc network and find the transfer function until im bored
[04:15] <eroomde> wax on, wax off
[04:19] <eroomde> the slayer guitarist has died
[04:19] <arko> well that sucks
[04:19] <arko> i heard like 1 of their songs
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[04:19] <eroomde> that's all of them
[04:20] <arko> yeah
[04:20] <arko> i cant tell with that genre
[04:20] <arko> i like other metal
[04:20] <arko> like viking metal
[04:20] <arko> it's not thrash metal
[04:22] <eroomde> i love london place names
[04:22] <eroomde> i'm at Shepards Bush
[04:22] <arko> lol
[04:22] <eroomde> which is like a metrololis and has a massive westfield shopping centre and so on
[04:22] <eroomde> odd that once upon a time it's most distinguishing dfeature would have been a specific bush
[04:22] <eroomde> in some sheep fields
[04:23] <arko> so people would come from everywhere around uk to see this one bush?
[04:23] <eroomde> well no, i imagine it was named back in the 1500s
[04:23] <eroomde> or 1000s or something
[04:24] <arko> people existed back then?
[04:24] <arko> here, nothing is older than like 1800
[04:24] <eroomde> 'thou continue towards the morning sun till thee reach the shapard's bush not two furlongs from here'
[04:24] <arko> so we refuse to believe anything existed before 1776
[04:24] <arko> 'come now! good morrow'
[04:25] <eroomde> 1776 is like recent history here
[04:25] <arko> :P
[04:25] <eroomde> my school was next to roman mosaics from 2 thousad years ago
[04:25] <arko> thats when we sent you guys a break up letter
[04:25] <arko> but we actually kept it here
[04:25] <eroomde> that was what you did in british history classes
[04:25] <arko> wow
[04:26] <arko> our history classes were all about how much ass we kick
[04:26] <eroomde> and then you have some dark ages, and then everyone invades
[04:26] <eroomde> vikings, saxons, normans, celts, everyone
[04:26] <arko> yeah, we heard about that
[04:26] <arko> that sucks
[04:27] <eroomde> magna carter, which is like our bill of rights, was 1215
[04:27] <eroomde> carta*
[04:28] <arko> do you guys still follow it or did you give it up like we did for our bill of rights?
[04:29] <eroomde> it's mostly been repealed
[04:29] <eroomde> some bits still exist
[04:29] <arko> neat
[04:29] <eroomde> we have no single constitution though
[04:29] <arko> it's like looking into the future
[04:29] <eroomde> just 1000 years of acts and case law
[04:30] <arko> hmmm
[04:30] <arko> i've always wondered what students in germany learn about germany in the 1930's
[04:30] <eroomde> there are debates as to whether or not it's worth writing it all down in one place
[04:30] <arko> hahaha
[04:31] <eroomde> hyde park is deserted
[04:32] <arko> woah
[04:32] <arko> for a sescond i was like
[04:32] <arko> what are you doing in la?
[04:32] <arko> also why are you in inglewood
[04:32] <arko> oh wow, it's like madison square garden
[04:33] <arko> wow it was created in 1637
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[04:34] <eroomde> i'm nearly at my stop
[04:35] <arko> nice
[04:35] <arko> that was a ride on a bus from oxford to london?
[04:36] <eroomde> yes
[04:36] <arko> oh thats like an hour twenty mins
[04:36] <eroomde> yep
[04:36] <eroomde> it's super easy
[04:36] <eroomde> 10 min walk to the bus stop from my house, and it takes me to victoria station
[04:36] <eroomde> which is v central
[04:36] <arko> translating to LA thats like 2-3hours
[04:36] <arko> fantastic
[04:36] <eroomde> isn't it!
[04:37] <eroomde> AND THERE'S FREE WIFI
[04:37] <eroomde> whoops
[04:37] <arko> hehe
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[04:37] <eroomde> right here now
[04:37] <eroomde> gtg
[04:37] <eroomde> will back back on like 7am my time probs
[04:37] <arko> cool
[04:37] <arko> see ya in a bit
[04:37] <eroomde> ttfn
[04:37] <eroomde> adlogout
[04:37] <arko> wat
[05:45] <eroomde> back
[05:45] <arko> woo
[05:50] <eroomde> that before was trying to detech from the irssi session in screen then logout
[05:50] <eroomde> except i missed the ctrl key in ctrl-a
[05:50] <eroomde> so it just came out as adlogout
[05:50] <eroomde> arko: re: german history, ask lunar
[05:57] <arko> heh good point
[05:57] <arko> oh!
[05:57] <arko> i was was wondering about adlogout
[05:57] <arko> figured
[05:58] <arko> yeah, i wonder if they go "Well in the 1930's we really f'd up"
[06:13] <arko> how's the underground choo choo
[06:14] <eroomde> overground atm
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[07:05] <steve_____> morning - who was it that wanted the Russian translation for http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[07:05] <steve_____> My friend has agreed to help
[07:06] <steve_____> He has said he will take a look this week - will that be soon enough?
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[07:08] <costyn> steve_____: sure, no hurry :)
[07:08] <costyn> steve_____: any translations we can get are great
[07:08] <steve_____> I think there was a flight planned
[07:09] <costyn> ah
[07:09] <costyn> not sure about that then
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[07:12] <x-f> the flight will be tomorrow from Poland by SP9UOB
[07:15] <x-f> i'm sure all potential trackers will figure out how to track even from the English instructions, if there will be no translation by then :)
[07:18] <x-f> i ran some predictions last night - if they were right and the balloon indeed floats, it will be quite far from the Baltics over the Belarus going ENE
[07:19] <steve_____> Well the translation will be too late then :(
[07:19] <steve_____> I shall let him know that there is no rush
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[07:25] <x-f> well, looks like Tom won't stop, there will be other flights, so the translation won't be too late, it will come in handy some other time :)
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[07:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[07:36] <x-f> morning, LL
[07:36] <Lunar_Lander> morning
[07:38] <fsphil> mor
[07:42] <daveake> ning
[07:43] <Lunar_Lander> thank you
[07:43] <Lunar_Lander> I think Tom made a mistake yesterday
[07:43] <Lunar_Lander> he said "ultracap and thyristor"
[07:43] <Lunar_Lander> I found that thyristors are for AC only
[07:45] <daveake> o rly?
[07:46] <daveake> Not that I'm suggesting using one. I think your best bet is a mosfet and 3 AAAs into a ~4 ohm 1/4w resistor
[07:48] <Lunar_Lander> yea, given that that ultracap is hard to get
[07:50] <fsphil> you should try a magnetic cut-down
[07:51] <Lunar_Lander> eletromagnets?
[07:51] <Lunar_Lander> *electromagnets
[07:51] <daveake> Still not seen that electrically releasable glue anywhere
[07:52] <Lunar_Lander> I could see problems with the rest of the electronics there
[07:54] <Lunar_Lander> but you could construct it to release on an electric pulse
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[07:58] <Lunar_Lander> when I finally can go back to the lab, I will try Steve's resistor method because his demo video looked good in terms of quick action
[07:58] <Lunar_Lander> and it is reasonably simple
[07:59] <Lunar_Lander> as you also said, dave
[08:01] <RocketBoy> a power FET is the way to go
[08:01] <RocketBoy> you want a logic level one
[08:01] <RocketBoy> (i.e. that turns on fully with logic levels)
[08:02] <RocketBoy> need one wit a low RDSon
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[08:02] <Lunar_Lander> I got one already
[08:02] <Lunar_Lander> as I had on the first flight
[08:02] <Lunar_Lander> the only change would be to exchange the kanthal wire with the resistor, right?
[08:03] <RocketBoy> sounds like it
[08:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:03] <Lunar_Lander> it's the MOSFET that sparkfun sells, a Fairchild N-Channel, 30A 60V logic-level model
[08:04] <RocketBoy> I'd have to look - whats the no? - I don't often use Sparkfun stuff
[08:04] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[08:04] <Lunar_Lander> RFP30N06LE
[08:08] <daveake> LL That looks good. So you know how to check, look at https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/General/RFP30N06LE.pdf
[08:08] <daveake> and look at the saturation chart top-right of P4
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[08:10] <RocketBoy> like most of em they really only turn on well enough with about 3V up the gate
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[08:10] <daveake> they need it up 'em
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> I got a 3.3V arduino
[08:10] <Lunar_Lander> so that should be able to work it
[08:10] <RocketBoy> yeah - that should be fine
[08:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[08:11] <Lunar_Lander> I mean it was able to do it on the ground tests
[08:11] <Lunar_Lander> so we know it experimentally and from the datasheet
[08:12] <RocketBoy> cos you will be driving an amp or so through - probably much less than on the nicrome setup
[08:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:12] <Lunar_Lander> we were talking about 0.125W resistors right?
[08:13] <Lunar_Lander> I found some 0.25W resistors on ebay, 4.7 ohm of course, are they OK too?
[08:14] <daveake> Small is good - warms up quicker and gets hotter
[08:14] <daveake> And get one rated for high temperatures - you don't want to kill it
[08:14] <daveake> (well not till the cord has melted then who cares?)
[08:14] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[08:17] <Lunar_Lander> farnell has one 4.7 Ohm, 0.125 W resistor which only runs to 155°C
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[08:19] <Lunar_Lander> welcome back Steve
[08:20] <RocketBoy> twas transporting the mac down the stairs (now just out of bed)
[08:20] <RocketBoy> tis a grand life
[08:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[08:21] <Lunar_Lander> I just said
[08:21] <Lunar_Lander> farnell has one 4.7 Ohm, 0.125 W resistor which only runs to 155°C
[08:22] <Lunar_Lander> that doesn't sound that good
[08:22] <daveake> sounds fine
[08:23] <daveake> Remember 155 is a continuous rating for a certain expected lifetime, measured in years not seconds!
[08:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[08:24] <RocketBoy> i doubt that you will find a rated resistor for these conditions
[08:24] <RocketBoy> so you will just have to try some
[08:25] <RocketBoy> personally the mf40 resistors i mentioned seem to work fine
[08:25] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[08:25] <fsphil> less worry, more experimentation
[08:25] <RocketBoy> if you want some to try ill bang some in the post
[08:25] <daveake> Promise me something, LL?
[08:26] <daveake> That we don't have this conversation again?
[08:26] <Lunar_Lander> yes OK
[08:26] <RocketBoy> ;-)
[08:26] <daveake> All a bit deja vu
[08:26] <Lunar_Lander> i know
[08:26] <daveake> Like Steve says, go try it
[08:27] <RocketBoy> déjà vu - that feeling you get when & déjà vu - that feeling you get when ... déjà vu - that feeling you get when ...
[08:27] <daveake> Get a few values either side of 4.7 too
[08:27] <Lunar_Lander> be back later
[08:27] <daveake> for recursion see recursion
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[08:27] <HixWork> s'like déjà vu all over again
[08:27] <daveake> needs cutting down
[08:28] <fsphil> lets end this with a bang
[08:28] <HixWork> cut it out
[08:28] <daveake> V/I is futile
[08:29] <HixWork> ohm my god this gets worse
[08:29] <fsphil> watt have we done
[08:29] <HixWork> i dont have the capacitance for this, so early
[08:29] <RocketBoy> darn - I need to get a round toit
[08:36] <HixWork> Software contract Edinburgh, thought I'd share http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9Gs6wknY
[08:37] <gonzo__> if you can you have déjà vu again, then there must be a first time? Is that possible?
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[09:38] <eroomde> morning
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[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> back from the doctor's
[09:38] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again RocketBoy
[09:39] <Darkside> RocketBoy: PM
[09:39] <RocketBoy> sure
[09:39] <Lunar_Lander> tomorrow I'll maybe check the local electronics store
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> I think he has all 1/4 W metal film resistors
[09:40] <Lunar_Lander> hi Darkside, can I drop you a quick question?
[09:42] <Darkside> urgh
[09:42] <Darkside> just ask
[09:43] <Lunar_Lander> about the polymer experiment on Horus 30
[09:43] <Darkside> uh
[09:43] <Darkside> wat
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[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> didn't you have that polymer experiment by Dr Kondyurin (U Sydney) on the balloon?
[09:44] <Darkside> oh yeah
[09:44] <Darkside> yeah, we did
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:44] <Darkside> no idea about the results
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> just wanted to ask how you got in contact
[09:44] <Darkside> uhm
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> did he write you or so?
[09:44] <Darkside> i didn't
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:44] <Darkside> it was vua USYD
[09:44] <Darkside> via*
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[09:44] <Lunar_Lander> maybe we will fly the same thing here in Germany in summer
[09:45] <Darkside> k
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> when he comes to visit
[09:45] <Darkside> i have no idea about it
[09:45] <Darkside> we just launched it
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> yea, would be the same here
[09:45] <Lunar_Lander> I think he is still working out the data
[09:48] <Lunar_Lander> will there be writeups on Horus 29 and 30 soon?
[09:48] <eroomde> how many mers does it take to fill a hab?
[09:48] <eroomde> A: lots.
[09:49] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: hah
[09:49] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: 'soon'
[09:49] <Darkside> i think horus 29 is done
[09:49] <Darkside> just needs some data filled in
[09:49] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:49] <Darkside> amd published
[09:49] <Darkside> lemme check
[09:50] <eroomde> it's good that you keep up good quality writeups
[09:50] <eroomde> we were a bit crap at that
[09:50] <Darkside> buffer it
[09:50] <Darkside> bugger
[09:50] <Darkside> Horus 29 is published
[09:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> the menu ends at 28
[09:51] <Darkside> http://projecthorus.org/?page_id=2372
[09:51] <Darkside> its missing some data
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[09:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[09:52] <Darkside> Horus 30 will probably have to be written by Terry
[09:52] <Darkside> plus I have no photos from it
[09:53] <eroomde> i like france
[09:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[09:54] <eroomde> people with packed lunches on the tgv here are all avocado and terrines and pates and some cheese
[09:54] <eroomde> rather than crisps
[09:54] <fsphil> there's something to be said for a crisp sandwich
[09:54] <fsphil> just lovely
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> Darkside, by the way, the way you trigger your cutdown
[09:54] <eroomde> so is terrine
[09:54] <Lunar_Lander> by sending it a message via radio
[09:54] <costyn> eroomde: where are you headed?
[09:55] <Lunar_Lander> reminds me of a flight I read about which was in the 1950's
[09:55] <Lunar_Lander> where a song from a radio station triggered a cutdown on a Skyhook balloon
[09:55] <eroomde> costyn: Dijon
[09:55] <eroomde> well, Beaune eventually
[09:56] <eroomde> which is where my family (and me by extension) are from
[09:56] <costyn> eroomde: ah cool
[09:56] <Darkside> Lunar_Lander: no
[09:56] <Darkside> we dont use radio
[09:56] <costyn> eroomde: weather (going to be) good?
[09:56] <Darkside> we use carrier pidgeons
[09:56] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[09:57] <fsphil> it's a bugger trying to train the pidgeon to enter the command into the payload
[09:57] <Darkside> we give them little spacesuits
[09:57] <Darkside> then they fly up and peck away at the balloon
[09:57] <Darkside> i have to say, went through a few pidgeons while training them
[09:57] <fsphil> oh that's better than what I was doing
[09:57] <eroomde> costyn: got a text earlier from dad saying it was raining
[09:58] <eroomde> it was quite sunny when i left london this morning too
[09:58] <eroomde> such is life
[09:58] <fsphil> grey cloud and rain here
[09:58] <eroomde> i like that parents will text solely to communicate weather
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[10:04] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/XCpG9n5.png
[10:04] <costyn> eroomde: well it is easiest thing to talk about...
[10:04] <Darkside> soooooooo
[10:05] <Darkside> apparently the horus telemetry is in malay
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[10:09] <fsphil> it's all japanese to me
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[10:18] <Darkside> oh shitballs
[10:18] <Darkside> just edited the wrong page
[10:18] <Darkside> does wordpress have an undi..
[10:18] <Darkside> undo*
[10:19] <Darkside> aaaand it doesnt
[10:19] <Darkside> goddamnit
[10:20] <Darkside> ahh yes
[10:20] <Darkside> it does
[10:20] <Darkside> excellent
[10:23] Nick change: MoALTz__ -> MoALTz
[10:27] <eroomde> it's got hists iirc
[10:27] <eroomde> oh wordpress
[10:27] <eroomde> ignore
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[10:57] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, thank you too, sorry that I had to depart so quickly
[10:57] <Lunar_Lander> was due for the doctor's
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[11:07] <daveake> np
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[11:23] <cuddykid> fire extinguisher has arrived - it's tiny
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[11:24] <cuddykid> kind of thing that would struggle to put out a match..
[11:24] <costyn> cuddykid: did you order that for H2 launches?
[11:24] <cuddykid> costyn: yep
[11:27] <costyn> only used a fire extinguisher for real once, a guy's car was on fire, well actually cardboard boxes in his boot, so I stopped and helped him out
[11:27] <costyn> was also surprised how quickly it was empty
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[11:28] <daveake> cuddykid I told you to get a 5kg one :)
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[11:28] <daveake> Either that or I poured scorn on the 1kg one
[11:28] <cuddykid> yeah, that might have been a better idea
[11:28] <daveake> Which is more pouring than you'll be able to do with that :p
[11:28] <HixWork> Babs, http://www.africam.com/wildlife/tembe_webcam
[11:29] <cuddykid> might ask the uni to see if they're throwing any out
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[11:29] <daveake> I know those ones are sold a lot for cars, but they're not even big enough for that use
[11:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hi all
[11:30] <daveake> I think mine was near £30 for 5kg powder, from Screwfix
[11:30] <daveake> Hi Tom
[11:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> aprs payload also ready: http://aprs.fi/info/a/SP9UOB-11
[11:32] <eroomde> steal one from a pub
[11:34] <daveake> Difficult to run with one. Perhaps divert their attention, by starting a fire?
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[11:42] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, told steve earlier that I will probably look at what my local electronics store has before ordering
[11:43] <daveake> ok
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> he got a shortage of 22 pF caps though
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[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> not that good
[11:44] <Lunar_Lander> well everything can be solved
[11:46] <mfa298> I think most of the training I've done with fire extinguishers is that you should only use them to aid your escape. In some instances that might just mean as a battering ram to break a window.
[11:49] <cuddykid> lol
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[12:10] <Babs> Thanks Hixwork (sorry, was away from computer) - It currently reads "Elephants have damaged the microphone at Tembe, we are working on getting it repaired"
[12:10] <Babs> Thomas Edison wouldn't have stood for that
[12:15] <SP9UOB_Tom> all: is there dedicated 64 bit version of dl-fldigi ?
[12:30] <HixWork> they have a sound hyena workikng on it, but the pics still work
[12:34] <Darkside> SP9UOB_Tom: dont think so
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[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB_Tom
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[12:36] Nick change: Upu_ -> Upu
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[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> how is your holiday?
[12:45] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[13:40] <Laurenceb> http://media.tumblr.com/af6ef07c966e2754184b6e56e64e6b24/tumblr_inline_mkn8eu4WFC1qz4rgp.jpg
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[14:19] <Babs> I thought he'd be more talkative now Spring has sprung.
[14:20] <LazyLeopard> Has Spring Sprung?
[14:21] <eroomde> it's flooded here
[14:21] <eroomde> the stream that runs by has swollen
[14:21] <eroomde> and the cellar is about 50cm deep in water and rising
[14:21] <LazyLeopard> Ugh?
[14:21] <eroomde> it's already claimed the ground-level bottle stores
[14:21] <LazyLeopard> Spring has sprung a leak...
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> fortunately, basically a kilometre wide valley needs to flood to get me underwater
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> or 110m of sea level rise
[14:22] <LazyLeopard> Here autumn has begun to show signs of dampness.
[14:28] <mfa298> according to some people we're now in summer (since 1st May) so spring was a very short (or non existant) season this year
[14:28] <eroomde> water lec
[14:28] <eroomde> level*
[14:28] <eroomde> rising
[14:28] <Randomskk> maybe do something other than tweet about it, idk
[14:30] <eroomde> i'm not tweeting
[14:30] <eroomde> i'm telling people who can help
[14:30] <eroomde> send balloons
[14:30] <eroomde> and helium
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[14:30] <eroomde> i have a plan
[14:30] <Babs> LazyLeopard - it has here in London town
[14:30] <SpeedEvil> water balloons!
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> is the habitable part of the house at risk of flooding?
[14:31] <Babs> or at least its that magic day when the girls come out wearing summer dresses, only the weather is a little too chilly for summer dresses
[14:32] <LazyLeopard> Riiiight...
[14:33] <LazyLeopard> Yesterday morning's Net got reports of 40mm and 60mm of rain overnight. here, all I could say was there was enough to fill the dog bowls...
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[14:33] <Babs> Those must be deep dog bowls
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/apps4/pvest.php
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> been doing this all day
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Markinch/hour_by_hour.html
[14:40] <LazyLeopard> I figure they only tell me we had at least 40mm here.
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[14:54] <Laurenceb> ill just leave this here
[14:54] <Laurenceb> http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~jem/images/icon.jpg
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[15:39] <WILLdude> Hello
[15:39] <cuddykid> made 2 pyro cutdowns :)
[15:39] <cuddykid> ping WillDuckworth
[15:47] <Babs> have you tested them cuddykid?
[15:47] <cuddykid> not yet Babs - need to give them a while for the epoxy to set
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[15:48] <Babs> You need to make more than two; its like playing with fireworks whichihaveneverdone
[15:48] <cuddykid> yeah, I've run out of powder, going to get some on order
[15:48] <Laurenceb> http://n-prize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=372
[15:48] <Laurenceb> i lolled
[15:49] <Babs> i have an awesome video of one going off, followed by me dropping the phone and then my fiance shouting upstairs because she thought i'd blown up the TV
[15:49] <Babs> where are you based?
[15:49] <Babs> i have loadsm i could only order it by the kg
[15:50] Action: Laurenceb hands Babs a pressure cooker
[15:50] <Babs> and in the ones i built it took no more than a gram or so per pyro
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[15:51] <Babs> Those guys were apparently throwing them out of a moving vehicle at the police
[15:51] <Babs> its sort of like an adult version of supermariokart
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[16:04] <cuddykid> Babs: worcester or nottingham :)
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[16:22] <arko> morning
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[16:28] <Babs> hmmm. I'm in London, only its not the sort of thing you can post. I travel back up there occasionally to my Mom's in Wolverhampton, but no trips planned in the near future. If you can think of a way to get someone to pick it up give me a shout, having seen what a few grams does its not reassuring to have a whole key in the house
[16:28] <Babs> !
[16:28] <Babs> cuddykid, am logging off now but will be back on over the weekend in case you find a way
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[16:41] <RocketBoy> Daveake - PM
[16:41] <daveake> ok
[16:42] <arko> neat, i was on this discovery channel http://www.discovery.ca/dp/videos/?clipid=918501
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[17:05] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Flight Announcements - Elsworth launch fest
[17:10] <gb73d> https://twitter.com/Arianespace
[17:11] <gb73d> launch windows starts 02:06z
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[17:19] <WILLdude> Is Upu back yet?
[17:21] <WILLdude> No flights near me :(
[17:22] <mfa298> WILLdude: he's probably back next week, but if you have questions chances are someone else will know the answer
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[17:32] <eroomde> right ok
[17:32] <eroomde> so it's got a bit wet here
[17:33] <arko> arrived in france?
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[17:35] <eroomde> yes to a flood
[17:35] <arko> oh fun
[17:35] <arko> wasn't oxford flooding too?
[17:36] <eroomde> 5 months ago
[17:36] <eroomde> it was quick here though
[17:38] <eroomde> so under the house we have some cellars. they are about the size of a tennis court, split into a couple of vaulted sections. they're probably 12ft from floor to ceiling. i went down to get a bottle at 3pm and noticed there were about 6 inches of water in the bottom
[17:38] <eroomde> this was taken from halfway up the stairs down into the cellar
[17:38] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mr4oye5d9je0qeo/2013-05-03%2014.53.56.jpg
[17:38] <nigelvh> That's no good.
[17:39] <eroomde> this is 2 hours later, from outside looking into the doors where the stairs are down into the cellar
[17:39] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a2g7ge02o9ikbh2/2013-05-03%2018.35.36.jpg
[17:39] <eroomde> i.e. you're looking at, just inside the doors, the 12 ft high roof of the cellars
[17:39] <eroomde> this happened in 2 hours
[17:39] <nigelvh> Wow, that's really fast.
[17:40] <eroomde> there's now a fire truck in the garden and a pump running
[17:40] <nigelvh> Just lots of rain?
[17:40] <eroomde> weeks worth
[17:40] <eroomde> it's all coming off the hills now
[17:40] <eroomde> and it's beginning to come up through the ground outside in the garden
[17:41] <arko> wow thats a lot of water
[17:41] <nigelvh> I hope you guys didn't have anything more susceptible to water than bottles down there.
[17:42] <eroomde> the electrics
[17:42] <nigelvh> For the house?
[17:42] <eroomde> it's taken out all but one of the circuits in the house
[17:42] <nigelvh> That's no good.
[17:42] <eroomde> we've got everything running off one circuit thanks to extension leads
[17:42] <eroomde> it's very ancient electrics, all being done in sept infact
[17:43] <nigelvh> Well, at least replacement was planned already.
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[17:43] <arko> are the power lines in europe all underground?
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[17:45] <nigelvh> Wish the power lines here were underground& Make the HF bands a lot quieter.
[17:45] <SpeedEvil> arko: no
[17:46] <SpeedEvil> well, in some cases
[17:46] <eroomde> yeah they're all underground here
[17:46] <eroomde> the village majoy dug up the entire village 5 years ago to sumberge power and phone lines
[17:46] <eroomde> pour l'asthetique
[17:46] <arko> ah
[17:47] <eroomde> mayor*
[17:47] <arko> but there must be flood protection right?
[17:47] <eroomde> nope
[17:47] <arko> >_<
[17:47] <eroomde> it's never flooded before in living memory
[17:47] <eroomde> hopefully the bottles will be ok
[17:47] <eroomde> as there are hundreds down there
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> bottles?
[17:47] <eroomde> of wine
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[17:47] <eroomde> in the cellar
[17:47] <SpeedEvil> empties?
[17:48] <eroomde> this is in burgundy
[17:48] <eroomde> family home
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> :)
[17:48] <eroomde> family are all wine growers/makers
[17:48] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:48] <nigelvh> Hopefully some of them are whites.
[17:48] <eroomde> both
[17:49] <nigelvh> Whites are the kind I like.
[17:49] <nigelvh> Just so you know.
[17:49] <nigelvh> :P
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[17:50] <eroomde> this is the lavoir
[17:50] <eroomde> http://www.bienvenue-a-savigny.com/images/lavoir-bourgogne.jpg
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[17:50] <eroomde> just a random photo i found on the net
[17:50] <eroomde> that's our wall and house in the bg
[17:51] <eroomde> notice the hanging baskets, the plinths, and the walkway down from the bridge to the stream where you can do your washing from the lettle stone edge
[17:51] <nigelvh> The bits are still trying to cross the atlantic to me.
[17:51] <eroomde> this is it now, taken from the bridge
[17:51] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/f2fp0b6z759wx9s/2013-05-03%2019.17.25.jpg
[17:51] <arko> woah what
[17:52] <eroomde> at about road height level
[17:52] <eroomde> and rising still
[17:52] <arko> dude
[17:52] <arko> find a kayak
[17:52] <eroomde> we've got enough cheese and wine and baguettes to survive a nuclear winter
[17:52] <eroomde> we'll just go up to the third floor
[17:52] <nigelvh> Or better, one of those floating cars that Bill Nye used.
[17:52] <arko> hahaha
[17:53] <arko> that awesome, cheese and wine
[17:53] <arko> and crackers
[17:53] <arko> that's the life
[17:53] <WILLdude> Urgh. Idiot on minecraft server thinking random roulette game has streaks.
[17:53] <eroomde> giving servers personality leads to madness WILLdude
[17:53] <WILLdude> *uncoincidental streaks
[17:53] <arko> i use to go to these art galleries i was invited to in downtown LA because there was free wine and cheese and crackers
[17:54] <fsphil> forget the wine, cheese and crackers is enough
[17:54] <WILLdude> There's an idiot on a minecraft server who thinks that random roulette games have streaks.
[17:54] <eroomde> don;t forget the wine
[17:54] <eroomde> that's what we did
[17:54] <eroomde> and now several hundred bottles are submerged in brown water
[17:54] <arko> noo!!!
[17:54] <arko> save the wine!
[17:55] <eroomde> it should survive a few days of soaking
[17:55] <eroomde> will just make the labels look all ditinguished
[17:55] <arko> fsphil: im guilty of destroying plates of cheese and crackers
[17:55] <number10_> sorry to hear that eroomde
[17:55] <WILLdude> Can someone help me explain it?
[17:55] <fsphil> water seems to like you eroomde
[17:55] <eroomde> it does doesn;t it
[17:56] Nick change: number10_ -> number10
[17:56] <eroomde> the fire service's pump is dinkey
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[17:56] <eroomde> i might get one for oxford if i stay there
[17:56] <daveake> You don't need a house, you need a mooring
[17:56] <eroomde> hoho
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[17:56] <daveake> Ed's Mooring
[17:56] <daveake> (in case you didn't already get that)
[17:56] <arko> <_<
[17:56] <SpeedEvil> you could name it after a recently departed luminary.
[17:56] <daveake> hey it's been a long week
[17:57] <fsphil> I didn't noah that
[17:57] <SpeedEvil> Patrick mooring
[17:57] <WILLdude> Hi dave.
[17:57] <eroomde> we've got some dinner on the table now. salad and cheese and charcutrie and bread and some candles
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[17:57] <daveake> hi dude
[17:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[17:57] <arko> water you guys going on about
[17:57] <arko> that sounds so french
[17:57] <fsphil> I was just sinking that
[17:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> could someone clear the map please :)?
[17:58] <nigelvh> My eyes are wet for your sorrow.
[17:58] <eroomde> yes i can imagine
[17:58] <eroomde> and we found a bottle of fizz in the garage not the cellar
[17:58] <eroomde> we're on holiday dammit
[17:58] <arko> whats fizz?
[17:58] <daveake> something to drown your sorrows
[17:58] <eroomde> champagne
[17:58] <arko> haha
[17:58] <arko> got it
[17:58] <nigelvh> I thought soda water when he said fizz.
[17:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> liquid nitrogen ;-)
[17:59] <arko> hell yeah!
[17:59] <SP9UOB_Tom> or Helium ;-)
[17:59] <arko> ohh liquid helium is interesting
[17:59] <eroomde> the silliest thing i've witnessed was when we and some other families insisted on eating alfresco in a meditteranean hail storm
[17:59] <eroomde> trying to ignore it
[17:59] <eroomde> keep calm and carry on
[17:59] <eroomde> as the glasses were getting smashed by hail stones
[17:59] <daveake> hah
[18:00] <fsphil> anyone have concusion?
[18:00] <eroomde> from the southern-french grog, possibly
[18:00] <arko> haha
[18:00] <daveake> Nice name for some cheap plonk
[18:01] <WILLdude> Selling my programming skills online is hard.
[18:01] <eroomde> yes it is
[18:01] <eroomde> but it will only get easier
[18:01] <eroomde> so look on the bright side
[18:01] <WILLdude> So I won't even try for now.
[18:01] <eroomde> have a few personal projects you can show off
[18:02] <WILLdude> Yeah good idea, but.
[18:02] <WILLdude> Personal projects?
[18:02] <WILLdude> What could I work on?
[18:02] <eroomde> mt. gox lamp
[18:02] <eroomde> hab tracker
[18:02] <eroomde> a webpage with a backend
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[18:02] <daveake> I think every actual job I got, I got because at interview I could talk excitedly about my latest personal project
[18:02] <eroomde> something that solves the algebra problems you're about to get many years-of symbolically
[18:03] <eroomde> chapter 2 of SICP is all about that actually
[18:03] <eroomde> you end up writing a symbolic algebra system
[18:03] <arko> mt gox lamp?
[18:03] <eroomde> by sybolic i mean it doesn't give you a numeric answer, it gives you the algebraic answer
[18:03] <eroomde> right it's food time
[18:03] <eroomde> ttfn
[18:03] <Upu> hey eroomde evening for you : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-d98Tugt-8
[18:03] <eroomde> ty will watch after cheese
[18:03] <Upu> nps
[18:03] <Upu> just torches
[18:04] <nigelvh> Nice flashlight upu
[18:04] <arko> it's not a fire, how is that a torche?
[18:04] <fsphil> flashing in the woods
[18:05] <Upu> it makes portals
[18:05] <arko> wow 8000 lumin is epic
[18:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hi Upu
[18:05] <Upu> daveake was so impressed he bought one too :)
[18:05] <Upu> hey Tom
[18:05] <daveake> In other news, raging forest fire in Lake District
[18:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: can You Clear the Map please ?
[18:05] <nigelvh> How's the vacation going Upu?
[18:05] <Upu> sure Tom
[18:05] <Upu> I'm back nigelvh :)
[18:05] <nigelvh> Oh, Then I hope it was a good vacation.
[18:05] <fsphil> just in time for a bank holiday
[18:06] <Upu> YEah I got sun burnt which wasn't expected
[18:06] <nigelvh> My fiancé got a pretty good burn yesterday
[18:06] <cuddykid> that torch is insane
[18:06] <nigelvh> She's one of those people who really can't get away without sunscreen and tried anyway.
[18:08] <Upu> like me
[18:08] <Upu> dunno why we forgot the sun screen
[18:08] <daveake> Need ... http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tumblr_lxnbpjdyj31qkej80o1_400.gif?w=400&h=400
[18:09] <Upu> lol
[18:09] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/TYzXYUV.jpg wasn't even super sunny
[18:09] Action: SP9UOB_Tom want to setup floater tommorow - still no trackers confirmed form East :-(
[18:09] <arko> wow
[18:09] <arko> thats some nice landscape
[18:09] <Upu> bonus points if you can spot the dog
[18:09] <fsphil> ah I saw one of those on TV once. they moved an entire row of trees in a day
[18:10] <fsphil> I see a dog
[18:10] <arko> found em!
[18:10] <fsphil> he appears to be being walked by a ghost
[18:10] <nigelvh> Yep, I see the dog too
[18:10] <arko> hahaha
[18:10] <nigelvh> Nice landscape though
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[18:10] <Upu> if you like that Arko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9D4WkFU6MA
[18:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> Asia is worse than Atlantic ;-) On atlantic are Commores at least ;-)
[18:10] <arko> where does the leash go!?
[18:10] <Upu> thats the view from the top of Coniston Old Man
[18:11] <nigelvh> The gal with you your wife?
[18:11] <Upu> yeah
[18:11] <arko> wow
[18:11] <nigelvh> Looks like a nice trip.
[18:11] <arko> is there any danger of those rocks slipping?
[18:11] <daveake> Oh look lots of people watching a HAB video :-) https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/913653_165627476935498_1938775868_o.jpg
[18:11] <Upu> not really been there a few millennia
[18:11] <arko> cool
[18:11] <arko> thats pretty sweet
[18:11] <Upu> lol daveake
[18:11] <cuddykid> picked the best week to go Upu
[18:12] <arko> i was half expecting you do basejump
[18:12] <Upu> I know cuddykid :)
[18:12] <Upu> I like that video as it has a story to it
[18:12] <daveake> Also has fsphil's burst video in it :)
[18:13] <fsphil> fame at last
[18:13] <Upu> oh one last pic : https://plus.google.com/photos/118244444241111963790/albums/5873816348570726145/5873817452677923826?banner=pwa
[18:13] <Upu> look in the distance
[18:13] <Upu> we found a star gate
[18:13] <Upu> anyway that enough off topic from me sorry
[18:14] <fsphil> silly google, requires a login
[18:14] <Upu> oh
[18:14] <nigelvh> Nice video with the snow drift.
[18:14] <Upu> try in a bit I'll fix the permissions on it still uploading
[18:14] <fsphil> google being annoying I think - they seem to require login if you have an account
[18:14] <fsphil> but let you straight through if you don't
[18:15] <Upu> still uploading I think
[18:16] <arko> eroomde: https://twitter.com/doug_ellison/status/330376580918562816
[18:16] <arko> our cities are on fire! yay! it's like 37C outside
[18:16] <fsphil> hot of the press
[18:17] <fsphil> +f
[18:17] <fsphil> only 30C hotter than here
[18:17] <nigelvh> I read this morning arko that you guys were on fire.
[18:17] <nigelvh> Remember stop drop and roll.
[18:18] <arko> yeah or something
[18:18] <arko> seeing Upu's pictures i'm getting very jealous
[18:19] <fsphil> we had sleet today
[18:19] <fsphil> that's almost snow
[18:19] <nigelvh> You could just come up to washington.
[18:19] <arko> ohh, this maybe a good time to launch a hab
[18:19] <arko> see the fires
[18:19] <arko> stop, drop, roll north
[18:19] <daveake> nice dry sunny take-the-open-top-car day here
[18:19] <arko> :)
[18:19] <nigelvh> Yeah, supposed to be about 70 today.
[18:19] <nigelvh> Here
[18:19] <Upu> fixed
[18:19] <fsphil> there's a band of rain heading your way daveake :)
[18:19] <Upu> lol fsphil is our early warning station
[18:20] <daveake> Didn't you use it all up? :(
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[18:20] <Upu> whatever hits him usually hits me a day later
[18:20] <daveake> except his flights
[18:20] <fsphil> it dumped quite a bit. I was hoping for a bit of thunder
[18:20] <arko> squrrel!
[18:20] <Upu> lol
[18:21] <Upu> you'll still be on my pics then arko ? :)
[18:21] <daveake> fsphil you need to do a floater with cutdown. See how close you can get to Upu
[18:21] <Upu> tbh with some of the winds he could just do a slow ascent
[18:21] <fsphil> hadie4 went almost directly over Upu, just burst too late
[18:21] <nigelvh> Just do a path distance, and as soon as it starts getting larger, cut down.
[18:22] <fsphil> ideally would have an uplink
[18:22] <arko> Upu: very nice landscape
[18:22] <daveake> RockBlock then
[18:22] <Upu> Lake District arko
[18:22] <Upu> or RFM22B without a boost
[18:22] <daveake> yup
[18:22] <fsphil> rockblock would be nice. could still transmit from the middle of the dales
[18:23] <fsphil> well until a tank drives over it
[18:23] <Upu> expensive though
[18:23] <arko> was that castle a hotel?
[18:23] <Upu> no Wray Castle
[18:23] <fsphil> wonder how far I could get a payload with the 600g balloon
[18:23] <Upu> http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/wray-castle/
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[18:24] <arko> oh cool
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[18:25] <fsphil> this just contains 4 transformers: http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/10378-av-tranceiver-cat5-2x-av-av16047.html
[18:25] <fsphil> how can they charge so much
[18:26] <daveake> If it was for audiophiles, and was in a wooden box, they could add a coulpe of zeroes
[18:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL
[18:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> im love audiophiles :-)
[18:27] <fsphil> haha
[18:27] <Upu> I used to be one
[18:27] <fsphil> add some gold connectors
[18:27] <Upu> just didn't have much money
[18:27] <fsphil> I've got a couple of them, got ages ago for a lot less than that
[18:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> onedirectional speaker cables rocks :-)
[18:28] <fsphil> it's just a PCB and the transformers. which sadly don't have any identificaion marks
[18:28] <arko> gold plated knobs for the wooden box
[18:28] <fsphil> or I'd be making my own
[18:28] <arko> lathe it
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[18:29] <fsphil> good advice
[18:30] <nigelvh> As a computer guy, all this stuff starting to use CAT5 cables scares me.
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[18:30] <daveake> he tries to connect but it never goes all the way
[18:30] <fsphil> video over cat5 is great
[18:30] <nigelvh> I can guarantee someone is going to plug one of these into a switch or a computer and hose it.
[18:32] <nigelvh> On the other hand, it would be interesting to *hear* ethernet.
[18:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> nigelvh: just like rtty by2 2 milions times faster ;-)
[18:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> but
[18:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> in fact 4 milions because ow Manchester coding ;-)
[18:36] <mattbrejza> i dont think ethernet uses binary signalling though
[18:36] <mattbrejza> not sure if taken into account
[18:36] <mattbrejza> or even what ethernet youre talking about :P
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[18:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> mattbrejza: plain old 10 BASE-T uses binary coded manchester
[18:39] <mattbrejza> ah
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[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:41] <codrBlu> Anyone put LEDs on their payloads to assist in locating them on the ground? If so, do you put them above the parachute to decrease likelihood that it will be covered by the chute?
[18:42] <nigelvh> I've never had a chute land directly on the payload.
[18:42] <Upu> you're better off with high vis tape and a big torch
[18:42] <nigelvh> Also, unless it's dark, I don't see that they'd be much use.
[18:42] <nigelvh> I believe some people have put buzzers on there that are activated when below a certain altitude.
[18:42] <codrBlu> I was thinking that if you never found the payload, it might lead a passerby to it at night.
[18:43] <nigelvh> If you can't find the payload, it's unlikely a passerby will be near it.
[18:43] <codrBlu> I mean if you have no idea where it is. GPS failure.
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[18:45] <codrBlu> A friend wants to fly with only cameras and a spot tracker, and I'm trying to think of other small things to increase chance of recovery if the spot doesn't work.
[18:46] <nigelvh> A radio tracker is a good thing
[18:46] <nigelvh> At minimum you can direction find.
[18:46] <codrBlu> If you had an APRS radio onboard, but the GPS failed. Could you still DF at the APRS frequency?
[18:47] <nigelvh> Yes, but it would be difficult because other people use APRS too.
[18:47] <nigelvh> For direction finding it's easiest to use a frequency nobody else is using, so when you're pointing your antennas around, it's only your payload that you're going to find.
[18:48] <codrBlu> Ah right. I guess you would need to have the software log the signal strength of only your transmissions. Could you DF this way using only one finding antenna logging the strengths and triangulating?
[18:48] <codrBlu> I mean if you plotted the strengths on a map, you could deduce the location right?
[18:49] <nigelvh> For direction finding it's best to have a handheld directional antenna. So you can swing it around and figure out a direction.
[18:49] <bertrik> if your payload radiates uniformly
[18:49] <nigelvh> A small Yagi is generally preferred.
[18:49] <Upu> fly a 70cms beacon - are you in the US codrBlu ?
[18:50] <codrBlu> I am in the US, Upu. Recommendations on a simple, cheap beacon?
[18:50] <Upu> well you can make one like the ones we use in the UK
[18:51] <Upu> they have a number of benefits, they are continuously transmitting location so you can DF them and get exact location too
[18:51] <codrBlu> Would you need something as expensive as an HX1 as a transmitter, or could you make it cheaper from caps and coils?
[18:51] <Upu> HX1 isn't that expensive if you get it from me
[18:51] <Upu> just from the US distributor its expensive
[18:52] <Upu> NTX2
[18:52] <Upu> looks like a HX1
[18:52] <Upu> about 1/2 the price
[18:52] <mfa298> for the US you need to check what frequencies you can use though. I think 434MHz isn't an ISM band there so needs a ham license (same for APRS)
[18:52] <nigelvh> Yeah, I just checked the US distributor and they wanted $70 for one.
[18:52] <nigelvh> 434 is an ISM band
[18:52] <nigelvh> You can use that here
[18:52] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=78
[18:53] <nigelvh> Generally centered around 433.92
[18:53] <Upu> and : http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=61 for the NTX2
[18:53] <mfa298> nigelvh: ah good, I thought I'd seen someone saying it wasn't a license free band over there.
[18:53] <Upu> and then
[18:53] <nigelvh> Yep, it is. Similar restrictions though, power and duty cycle
[18:53] <codrBlu> If the NTX2 and HX1 are about the same functionality, why might someone choose the HX1?
[18:54] <Upu> they aren't
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[18:54] <nigelvh> HX1 is a different frequency and allows you to do APRS
[18:54] <Upu> HX1 is a 300mW radio
[18:54] <nigelvh> Also that.
[18:54] <Upu> NTX1 is 10mW in ISM band
[18:54] <codrBlu> Ah!
[18:54] <Upu> s/1/2
[18:54] <Upu> but 10mW gets > 500 miles at altitude
[18:55] <codrBlu> Man, I've been researching HABs, and radios and GPS for a month and I still feel like I know nothing!
[18:55] <Upu> I think the only reason its not used so much over there is you don't have the network of receivers we do
[18:55] <Upu> in the UK we aren't permitted to use APRS in the air
[18:55] <nigelvh> Yes, the US guys tend to lean towards APRS because it gives us a receiver network that the UK guys have built themselves.
[18:56] <Upu> Also APRS is a passive network, the receiving stations are always on and don't need to be manned
[18:56] <codrBlu> So comparing US APRS with UK RTTY, does there end up being any real functional difference between the capabilities?
[18:56] <Upu> our system is more hands on
[18:56] <codrBlu> Oh, so HAMS aren't always listening to RTTY like they do with APRS?
[18:56] <Upu> yeah for ballooning with the network we have in the UK I'd say the system we use is better, mainly as you're getting constant updates
[18:57] <Upu> APRS you're only getting every 2 mins or so if your packet gets igated
[18:57] <daveake> and you can do SSDV over the top
[18:57] <nigelvh> Yes, and you're not sharing the channel like you have to with APRS
[18:57] <Upu> yeah we can do some funky stuff with it
[18:57] <codrBlu> Has anyone tried building an automatic RTTY to internet system similar to APRS?
[18:58] <daveake> Plus (big plus) as you get so many people actively involved, you get a *lot* of help chasing your payload down
[18:58] <Upu> also using the UKHAS protocol means you can put your payload directly on www.spacenear.us/tracker and get predictions of where you're going to land etc
[18:58] <nigelvh> However that's also possible with APRS
[18:58] <Upu> yes it is , we can import APRS into spacenear.us now
[18:58] <Upu> just let us have the call sign of the balloon
[18:58] <Upu> or you can do what I did codrBlu
[18:59] <Upu> make a tracker that transmits both APRS and RTTY at the same time
[18:59] <Upu> from the same GPS module
[18:59] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=471
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[19:00] <codrBlu> Ah, so I could use the APRS if the GPS works, but then I could use the RTTY signal to DF?
[19:01] <Upu> yeah or you can transmit RTTY continuously with location information in it
[19:01] <Upu> and then do an APRS transmission every 2 mins or so
[19:01] <Upu> or whatever is considered acceptable
[19:01] <Upu> I think 2 mins was too quick
[19:01] <nigelvh> If you've got a really short path I think 2 mins is probably fine.
[19:02] <Upu> I got alot of throttling messages when I did mine
[19:02] <Upu> let me see if I can find the raw packets
[19:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: Copernicus Project in Poland are sending frames every 25 seconds
[19:02] <codrBlu> I'm still trying to understand this whole path thing. If I use a short path, will it decrease the likelihood that my signal will get repeated enough to reach an iGate?
[19:02] <Upu> sounds too quick
[19:03] <nigelvh> 25 seconds is probably a little fast
[19:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> codrBlu: from 20 km You'll reach igate (unless You are over Russia)
[19:03] <nigelvh> codrBlue http://wa8lmf.net/DigiPaths/
[19:03] <codrBlu> Ok. :-)
[19:04] <nigelvh> In summary, you'll have good signals, and you want to keep a very short path as a longer path exponentially increases load on the APRS network.
[19:04] <Upu> http://www.upuaut.net/m0upu-11.htm
[19:04] <Upu> note rate limits
[19:04] <Upu> also note I was igated by 2 UK stations whilst over Denmark/Germany yay our laws..
[19:04] <nigelvh> Those rate limited are from other igate stations reporting their own time, but coming in late
[19:04] <nigelvh> That's not you being too fast.
[19:05] <eroomde> number10: we had mystery wine
[19:05] <eroomde> fished it out as it was floating
[19:05] <eroomde> no label
[19:06] <codrBlu> Wow. Thank you all for the great information. It has taken me awhile to get up to speed, so I don't know if my GPS would get here from you by next weekend Upu.
[19:06] <nigelvh> Upu: that happens because you're using a non timestamped position report, so the igate reports it's own time. If they're delayed or the clock is off, APRS.fi will report those errors.
[19:06] <number10> did you all agree on what it could have been eroomde
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[19:06] <Upu> codrBlu if you pay for UPS shipping yes :)
[19:06] <Upu> ah ok nigelvh
[19:06] <codrBlu> Yikes$$$
[19:07] <Upu> ironically the payload time is probably more accurate than the igate
[19:07] <nigelvh> Probably
[19:07] <nigelvh> If you want to do a timestamped position, you need to use the '@' packet rather than the '/' packet
[19:07] <eroomde> number10: no
[19:07] <eroomde> i don;t really know
[19:07] <Upu> noted might change that
[19:07] <eroomde> it was red and burgundy and oldish
[19:08] <eroomde> dad guessed partly given that he could see who it was who bottles it from the neck seal
[19:08] <codrBlu> So should I always use the @ packet?
[19:08] <nigelvh> I don't generally bother because those errors aren't a reflection of real load on the RF APRS network, so I'm doing ok.
[19:08] <nigelvh> My systems thus far use the '/' packet.
[19:08] <Upu> someone did a best practices guide for using APRS from a HAB
[19:09] <number10> i hope the cellar isnt ruined eroomde
[19:09] <Upu> which I followed let me see if I can dig it out
[19:09] <eroomde> it should be alright. the wine should be fine if it's only a couple of days of deluge
[19:09] <eroomde> the labels might go
[19:09] <eroomde> bt the wine should be fine
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[19:10] <Upu> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/6764416/243730317/name/APRS.pdf
[19:10] <Upu> I basically followed that
[19:10] <nigelvh> Yeah, that about says what we were summarizing. About once a minute or longer, and a very short path
[19:11] <codrBlu> That is a fantastic resource. Thanks.
[19:12] <Upu> I'd take your time codrBlu if you can
[19:12] <Upu> lots to learn
[19:12] <number10> can you get hold of a petrol water pump eroomde ?
[19:12] <eroomde> got 2 fire trucks in the garden
[19:13] <eroomde> and lots of firepeeps wandering around the village
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[19:15] <mfa298> reading scrollback and seeing cat5 and audiophiles mentioned reminded me of http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=Accessories%28DenonNA%29&Pid=AKDL1%28DenonNA%29
[19:15] <eroomde> they've said they'll stay all night
[19:15] <eroomde> or until the level starts to drop
[19:15] <eroomde> the rain is stopping now
[19:15] <Upu> those are the ones mfa298!
[19:15] <Upu> amazing huh :)
[19:15] <eroomde> but of course it can take a day or two to work its way into the streams
[19:16] <number10> thats good.. you will probably have to give the firemen some cheese bread and wine
[19:16] <mfa298> oddly it seems that denon have stopped sellign them
[19:17] <Upu> maybe because someone pointed out a £1 Belkin Cat5 cable does the same thing
[19:17] <eroomde> "Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."
[19:17] <eroomde> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[19:17] <Upu> and possibly they got done for making shit up /\
[19:17] <eroomde> as they say on reddit or 4chan
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[19:18] <mfa298> it looks like they also had a $100 hdmi cable
[19:20] <qyx_> surely made of oxygen free gold
[19:20] <qyx_> fith silicone isolation stable up to 800°C!
[19:20] <qyx_> *with
[19:20] <qyx_> for the harsh environment in your living room
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[19:21] <eroomde> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
[19:21] <daveake> All in the name of better quality ones and zeroes
[19:21] <eroomde> amusing reviews
[19:22] <qyx_> effects from vibration?
[19:23] <chrisstubbs> "A great dog lead!"
[19:23] <Upu> lol
[19:24] <chrisstubbs> Are you supposed to use pull up/down resistors on usb data lines?
[19:24] <qyx_> pullup on D+ to indicate that client is connected
[19:24] <number10> fires anywhere near you arko ?
[19:25] <chrisstubbs> http://i.imgur.com/HOjUfqc.jpg
[19:26] <eroomde> chrisstubbs: depends on the speed and also lots os chips have them builtin if necessary
[19:26] <chrisstubbs> Pretty much just copied from http://bit.ly/13Skr2u which didnt have any pullups
[19:26] <chrisstubbs> better read the datasheet again :P
[19:26] <qyx_> datasheet will tell you more
[19:28] <qyx_> chrisstubbs: capacitor on input of vreg is missing, also you should use ferrite bead on vbus
[19:28] <chrisstubbs> what does the cap on the vreg input actually do? i have never bothered with that before tbh
[19:29] <chrisstubbs> i guess the vreg can give a funny output if there is noise on the power input? but wont the capacitor on the output filter that anyway?
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, how's your holiday :)?
[19:30] <Upu> good thanks Lunar nice and relaxed
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> :) cool!
[19:30] <qyx_> chrisstubbs: you always have to decouple all ic's near their vdd pins
[19:30] <Upu> you been busy
[19:30] <Upu> ?
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> not really, still recovering from the surgery
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> taking it easy
[19:30] <Upu> oh yeah
[19:30] <qyx_> because of their high power demand during switching
[19:30] <Upu> went ok I guess ?
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> yes, fortunately :)
[19:30] <WILLdude> Upu!
[19:30] <WILLdude> Sup?
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, got a minute?
[19:31] <Upu> hey WILLdude
[19:31] <Upu> of course Lunar_Lander
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[19:32] <WILLdude> Anyone know how to stop a second screen from going black when I close the lid on one? (ubuntu)
[19:32] <WILLdude> I want to keep my laptop under the desk.
[19:33] <eroomde> good question. i know you can definitely do that in OSX, but that doesn;t help you much
[19:33] <eroomde> is there anything in power settings?
[19:34] <mfa298> WILLdude: that might be due to the sleep settings. Usually laptops are set to go to sleep if you close the lid
[19:38] <chrisstubbs> Upu, lots of whiskey?
[19:38] <daveake> I guess there'll be an OS setting. Always has been on Windoze laptops I've had
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[19:38] <Upu> Whisky chrisstubbs :) Put an 'e' in there and its a different ball game but yes
[19:38] <eroomde> that's 3 votes for a power management issue WILLdude. I'd start there :)
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[19:39] <Upu> Had a laphroaig 18 with me :)
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[19:45] <mfa298> oddly I found fedora on my netbook doesn't sleep by default on power. I found it had got pretty toasty the other day when i did that
[19:46] <eroomde> oddly I found fedora on my netbook
[19:46] <eroomde> http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2444/3587161476_94c94c8080_z.jpg
[19:46] <eroomde> [EOM]
[19:46] <fsphil> it happens sometimes
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[19:47] <daveake> I was expecting a red hat
[19:47] <fsphil> too difficult to boot: http://i.imgur.com/2LULuQ8.jpg
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[19:49] <lbm> got collinear, yagi and mobile antenna, rtl2832u usb dongles, amateur radio license exam tomorrow, jeenodes, battery pack and just ordered the radio and gps modules from hab supplies, exciting :-)
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> evening dave
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> just reading the writeup "dressed to chill"
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:50] <chrisstubbs> ldm sounds like your well sorted!
[19:50] <mfa298> when ubuntu starts playing nicely with IPv6 I might start using that but so far it's cost too many hours trying to debug it
[19:51] <chrisstubbs> *lbm lol cant read
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[19:52] <lbm> trying to do my part on nordic hab'ing
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> Howdy mr lunar
[19:53] <eroomde> we need more nordic habbing
[19:53] <eroomde> for sure
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[19:53] <eroomde> partly because it's lovely
[19:53] <eroomde> and partle because we should do some nightime northern-lights flights
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, lol, a friend just started to talk to me in finnish
[19:53] <eroomde> that's one for the grandkids
[19:54] <daveake> Good idea I'm in :)
[19:55] <eroomde> why did he do that?
[19:55] <eroomde> yes it should be done
[19:55] <lbm> oh, and baofeng uv-b5 handheld on it's way from china as an alternative to the rtl2832u sdr
[19:55] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: has he finished?
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> he is a big fan of Finland
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, yea xD
[19:55] <eroomde> i like wallander
[19:55] <eroomde> doesn;t mean i speak swedish
[19:55] <eroomde> i do speak passing swedish
[19:55] <eroomde> i can have entire phone calls in swedish
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> well he travelled all of continental scandinavia
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> and learned the language for 14 years
[19:56] <eroomde> 'yah.... precis....absolut....precis.... yah'
[19:56] <lbm> not bad eroomde :-)
[19:56] <eroomde> i thought so
[19:57] <eroomde> but srsly, was in uppsala for a bit and felt like i was making some progress with swedish
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[19:57] <eroomde> but it totally hasn't stuck
[19:57] <fsphil> that's quite close to my german phone call ... "ja .... ja ..... ja"
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[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:58] <fsphil> "ja? ... ja!"
[19:58] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone on who works on the habhub predictor?
[19:58] <eroomde> NEIN!
[19:58] <fsphil> only for advanced use eroomde
[19:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[19:58] <fsphil> or or if you're talking to the polizei
[19:58] <eroomde> also, don;t mention the war
[19:58] <fsphil> the robot wars?
[19:58] <fsphil> ah crap
[19:59] <fsphil> nite SP9UOB_Tom
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[19:59] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: you have recalled my memories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-DZ0KtR3RY
[19:59] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL
[20:00] <fsphil> haha
[20:00] <lbm> any tips on memorizing the common q codes? ;-)
[20:00] <eroomde> make them up
[20:00] <lbm> SP9UOB_Tom: classic!
[20:00] <eroomde> 'I'm getting loads of QPP on my QLT guys, it's crazy out here'
[20:00] <SP9UOB_Tom> yeah !
[20:00] <fsphil> qi: going to watch TV panel show
[20:01] <SP9UOB_Tom> was soooo young :-)
[20:01] <nigelvh> I only know a couple. QRM for noise, QTH for location, the rest aren't as commonly used.
[20:01] <SP9UOB_Tom> QRG
[20:01] <eroomde> M for manmade noise iirc
[20:01] <eroomde> QRN is natural noise
[20:01] <nigelvh> Yes
[20:02] <eroomde> like.... whatever
[20:02] <nigelvh> Most people don't bother to make the distinction.
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> isn't QRY "let's change to another frequency"?
[20:02] <eroomde> lightning
[20:02] <nigelvh> QSY for another freq
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: was ist los, was ist das ;-)
[20:02] <mfa298> some you just learn by hearing them used. I learnt QSY, QRZ, and QSB that way
[20:03] <mfa298> QRZ for who's calling, and QSB for fading
[20:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: long time ago i was learning german
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB_Tom, cool!
[20:03] <fsphil> QFX ... old dance music group
[20:03] <eroomde> QLT for the time you don;t get to spend with your XYL
[20:03] <fsphil> QNX - operating system nobody remembers
[20:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok, time to bed :-) Nigst all
[20:04] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok, time to bed :-) Night all
[20:04] <codrBlu> Can anyone explain what having no APRS path set in your transmission means? Does that just mean that it won't be repeated at all, so the transmission must be initially received by a device with an iGate to make it to the web?
[20:04] <nigelvh> Yes
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[20:04] <eroomde> QIF - elvis has left the DX contest
[20:04] <nigelvh> That's exactly it, so Instead of K7NVH-11>WIDE2-1>APRS just use K7NVH-11>APRS
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:04] <fsphil> QAK -- operator is a duck
[20:05] <nigelvh> QUK -- operator should seek mental treatment
[20:05] <eroomde> QNT - space artist
[20:05] <fsphil> lol
[20:05] <fsphil> QE2 -- operator is overrated
[20:06] <eroomde> QED - a debate unambiguously settled over the air
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:08] <chrisstubbs> QXD - operator is laughing
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[20:08] <codrBlu> Can I send my APRS packets exactly every 3 minutes (12:03:00, 12:06:00, 12:09:00...), or is there any reason to stagger the transmission times (12:03:30, 12:06:10, 12:09:20...)?
[20:09] <nigelvh> I wouldn't bother to time it to an actual minute, just delay by 180 seconds.
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[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, lol
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[20:09] <fsphil> QQQ - operator has a stutter
[20:09] <arko> number10: nah not really
[20:09] <fsphil> or faulty Q key
[20:09] <arko> we just joke about it
[20:09] <arko> california catches fire every summer
[20:10] <codrBlu> QQQ looks like the operator has released 3 helium balloons.
[20:10] <chrisstubbs> mind blown.
[20:11] Action: x-f bursts in laughter.
[20:11] <arko> someone flying now?
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> I repeat
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> * SP9UOB_Tom hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Confucius say: that man with four balls cannot walk!)
[20:11] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[20:13] <nigelvh> Lunar_Lander, four isn't enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8P5vGcf-NU
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[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:16] <fsphil> aaah the internet
[20:16] <nigelvh> That has to be my favorite fake commercial of all time
[20:16] <nigelvh> The ferd f-teenthousand
[20:16] <fsphil> words
[20:17] <nigelvh> The sale extends from trucktober to truckvember. You won't see another sale this good until at least next truckuary or trarch.
[20:17] <arko> http://vimeo.com/65313515
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[20:26] <heathkid> fun when the tracker *actually* does work! :) I love it!
[20:27] <heathkid> nigelvh: the problem I was having (am having) is with APRSIS32... not the trackuino code.
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[20:30] <nigelvh> Yes, that's what we were saying last night
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[20:39] <heathkid> I proved it today by taking it to work with me
[20:39] <jcoxon> evening all
[20:40] <nigelvh> Like I said, I don't think you've got APRSIS32 set up correctly to forward packets heard from the radio.
[20:40] <heathkid> right
[20:41] <nigelvh> So you'll need to look into how to get sound modem and APRSIS32 to talk.
[20:41] <heathkid> they talk... just something is messed up in the translation
[20:42] <nigelvh> K, that may be the case. I use APRSIS32 and AGWPE and it works just fine.
[20:42] <heathkid> stupid question... but how high up does a balloon have to get for 50 miles line of sight?
[20:43] <SpeedEvil> not very
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[20:43] <SpeedEvil> 3km ish I guess
[20:44] <heathkid> hmm
[20:44] <bertrik> even less I think
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[20:46] <SpeedEvil> bote says 500m
[20:46] <heathkid> I doubt my wife will let me put up a tower that tall just for testing... so I guess I'm going to have to figure out this software. :)
[20:46] <bertrik> what's the prediction for tomorrow's launch from elsworth?
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[20:53] <SpeedEvil> heathkid: modest tethered balloon
[20:53] <heathkid> :)
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[20:54] <heathkid> I'm about (well... as the balloon flies) 35+ miles from the nearest APRS repeater
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> There is always one air wire left :P
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[20:56] <chrisstubbs> Oooohhh yeah got it
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[21:03] <nigelvh> heath kid, are you sure that either you or the digipeater isn't already on a hill/mountain/tall structure?
[21:03] <nigelvh> Generally when people set up repeaters they aim for that.
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[21:09] <chrisstubbs> How do things like this keep happeneing! http://bit.ly/108hnvb
[21:10] <WILLdude> Is it weird that I really have a strong urge to use a really clean and useful api right now?
[21:10] <WILLdude> But I can't quench that thirst.
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[21:11] <WILLdude> I take that as yes.
[21:12] <heathkid> I'm in the middle of nowhere
[21:14] <heathkid> on my home from Indy (if you look at my track from today) you'll see the repeater I'm hitting. It's at 700' up on a 1200' tower.
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> heathkid, im no expert on APRS but maybe you should set one up!
[21:14] <heathkid> but I get halfway home and lose it
[21:15] <heathkid> chrisstubbs: I'm trying
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[21:15] <chrisstubbs> I say no expert, I know next to nothing about it :P
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> WILLdude, Only a little, it could be far far worse
[21:16] <heathkid> and that was using my 5/8 wave mag mount antenna (not a 1/4 wave whip)
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> cant think of any "clean" API's off the top of my head
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[21:19] <Elijah__> around here it's not uncommon to hear packets from > 300 miles away
[21:20] <Elijah__> not line of sight of course, but two hops through digipeters will get you a long ways
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[21:25] <mfa298> Is there such as think as a clean and useful api ?
[21:26] <cm13g09> mfa298: NO!
[21:26] <cm13g09> Of course not!
[21:26] <nigelvh> In theory? Yes. In reality? Probably not.
[21:27] <mfa298> WILLdude: so in summary, I don't think you'll ever find a really clean and useful api to use.
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[21:35] <arko> i wish i had my own test field
[21:36] <arko> :( la is so dense
[21:43] <zyp> mfa298, in general, you mean?
[21:46] <mfa298> zyp: I was answering WILLdude's earlier question with another question.
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[21:53] <chrisstubbs> Covered in toner
[21:54] <nigelvh> Copier explode?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> arko, remember how we talked about testing hygrometers?
[21:55] <arko> yes
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> now that I got those HIH-6121 I want to try to get into that
[21:55] <chrisstubbs> Printing some PCB transfers and it was coming out like crap
[21:56] <nigelvh> I've never had good luck with the toner transfer method.
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> took the toner cartridge out and it was full of fluff and stuff
[21:56] <nigelvh> I moved to the photoresist method.
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> I got toner transfer working OK ish for me, can be pesky though
[21:56] <arko> try it out, i'd recommend using a known working hum sensor
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> if one stage goes ever so slightly wrong you may as well start again
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> will try that arko
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[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> my prof suggested trying sulfuric acid-water mixes to generate the humidity
[21:58] <arko> psshh
[21:58] <nigelvh> Yeah, moving to photoresist was pretty inexpensive and I get really good results.
[21:58] <arko> go to a local shop and pick up a humidifer
[21:58] <arko> super cheap solution
[21:58] <arko> but watch temperature
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[21:58] <arko> it gets host
[21:58] <arko> hot*
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:58] <arko> you'll see some fun hystersis
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[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> that's the problem of humidity measurement
[22:02] <arko> yeah
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> did I tell you of the first try to get the sensor to work on the breadboard?
[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> because it isn't 2.54 mm pitch it was difficult to fit the connections and appearently they didn't fit on the first try
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[22:05] <Lunar_Lander> as the sensor gave out "Diagnostic. 99.9 124.7" as humidity and temperature
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[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> and some movement on the connection caused it to give "Normal" and then some real values
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[22:30] <arko> aww
[22:30] <arko> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UF385-100/259-1454-ND/1739059
[22:30] <arko> cute little fan
[22:31] <nigelvh> That is a tiny little fan.
[22:31] <nigelvh> Also carrying a mighty price.
[22:31] <nigelvh> $50 for that thing.
[22:32] <jcoxon> anyone experience with an Si570
[22:32] <nigelvh> I haven't used one, but I'm reasonably familiar. What you trying to do?
[22:32] <jcoxon> i've got an arduino talking to it over i2c
[22:33] <jcoxon> and can do CW
[22:33] <jcoxon> but i'm trying to get it to do RTTY
[22:33] <jcoxon> so need to get it to switch freq
[22:33] <jcoxon> at a quicker rate
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[22:33] <nigelvh> Is it that you can't send i2c fast enough, or that it's not tuning fast enough?
[22:34] <Laurenceb_> that thing sucks and blows
[22:35] <jcoxon> nigelvh, the more i look into it seems the arduino hangs
[22:35] <jcoxon> with 50 baud
[22:35] <nigelvh> The basic i2c library that comes with arduino really isn't very good...
[22:35] <jcoxon> yeah i'm beginning to get that
[22:36] <nigelvh> I might take a glance at the data sheet and see if you can directly control the i2c hardware.
[22:38] <nigelvh> Or perhaps, if you're doing any reads, avoid any that aren't essential.
[22:43] <jcoxon> oooo
[22:43] <jcoxon> this is interesting
[22:44] <jcoxon> it doesn't like changing freq unless the OE pin is pulled down
[22:45] <jcoxon> sweet
[22:45] <jcoxon> its decoding
[22:46] <gonzo__> another radio club talk odone this eve
[22:46] <gonzo__> had about 4 of them nod off
[22:47] <jcoxon> nigelvh, so i pulled OE low before i changed freq
[22:47] <jcoxon> and then pulled it high afterwards
[22:48] <jcoxon> and adjusted my delay in between
[22:48] <nigelvh> That work better for you?
[22:48] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:48] <jcoxon> it works now
[22:48] <nigelvh> Cool
[22:49] <jcoxon> awesome
[22:50] <jcoxon> hehe its so inefficient compared to CW
[22:50] <jcoxon> :-p
[22:50] <jcoxon> but dl-fldigi happily decodes it
[22:51] <nigelvh> Well, depends on what you define "efficient" as.
[22:51] <nigelvh> Spectrally efficient? No. Data transfer/time efficiency, better.
[22:52] <jcoxon> i need to rig this up to an antenna and see if its actually usuable
[22:53] <jcoxon> right time for sleep
[22:53] <jcoxon> enough hacking
[22:53] <nigelvh> Sounds good. Have a good evening.
[22:53] <jcoxon> once its up and running can get people to have a listen in for the signal
[22:54] <jcoxon> use dl-fldigi to submit reports
[22:54] <jcoxon> like a bad version of wspr
[22:54] <nigelvh> Haha
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[23:12] <arko> welp
[23:12] <arko> we joked about my part of town catching fire
[23:12] <arko> and now it did
[23:12] <arko> http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/05/03/grass-fire-breaks-out-near-134-freeway-in-glendale/
[23:12] <arko> freakin fire season sucks
[23:12] <arko> smells terrible outside
[23:13] <gonzo__> the local heathland burns down every school holiday in the summer
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[23:28] <arko> hahaha
[23:28] <arko> TRAFFIC HAZARD: FIRE
[23:28] <arko> thanks google maps traffic alert
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[23:59] <heathkid> Elijah__: I can't get to any digipeters from mere
[23:59] <heathkid> here
[23:59] <heathkid> now with 300mW on the ground anyway
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