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[08:14] <kokey> oring
[08:14] <kokey> morning
[08:14] <kokey> heh
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[08:19] <mfa298> moaning
[08:21] <x-f> morningish
[08:21] <mfa298> it's very quiet around these parts, almost as if people are actually doing work rather than irc.
[08:22] <arko> Supp
[08:22] <arko> Im sleeping
[08:22] <arko> Not much work
[08:22] <arko> Routed ircmto my brain so i can irc while alseep
[08:22] <arko> Pretty rad
[08:23] <x-f> moonircing
[08:24] <SpeedEvil> I'm currently trying to get up the energy to finish clearing out the greenhouse.
[08:26] <fsphil> you can't wake up from this netmare
[08:27] <arko> Ohh punny you
[08:28] <daveake> Before you try this, ask yourself a question. "Do IP in my sleep?"
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[08:37] <fsphil> you need to flush the cache very so often
[08:48] <x-f> "The problem with TCP jokes is that people keep retelling them slower until you get them."
[08:54] <oh7lzb> Ha, good. Now, I need an SCTP variant too.
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[09:02] <zyp> the problem with SCTP jokes is that nobody is telling them
[09:07] <costyn> heh... network jokes, liking these so far :)
[09:07] <oh7lzb> SCTP, I get notified if you don't get them.
[09:08] <eroomde> asleeeep
[09:08] <eroomde> but good morantron
[09:09] <oh7lzb> Made a merge request for SCTP+IPv6 patches and other SCTP fixes to the net-tools netstat command the other day, https://github.com/ecki/net-tools/tree/hessu/topic-sctp
[09:09] <oh7lzb> hoping for them to end up in distributions eventually, now my netstat doesn't show my SCTP connections. :(
[09:11] <mfa298> at least TCP jokes are better than UDP ones which dont always
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[09:49] <mgaerospace> hi
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[09:52] <mgaerospace> i wanted to know what is the maximum altitude reached by a high altitude balloon from which a photo was taken
[09:52] <mgaerospace> thankyou!
[09:56] <x-f> 42545m
[09:57] <x-f> at least in the UK - http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
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[10:06] <eroomde> that was good
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[10:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello fellas
[10:40] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[10:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi malgar
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[10:47] <malgar> hi Lunar_Lander
[10:48] <Lunar_Lander> OK let's try this
[10:48] <Lunar_Lander> Come stai?
[10:48] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[10:50] <malgar> bene grazie, parli italiano? :)
[10:51] <malgar> Ich spraeche ein bisschen Deutsch
[10:54] Action: Geoff-G8DHE
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander> cool :)
[10:54] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I just tried out google translate ;)
[10:54] <malgar> baaaah :P
[10:55] <costyn> BrainDamage is Italian... and the hueueueue guy... (don't remember his nick)
[10:56] <malgar> hueueueueue? :D
[10:56] <eroomde> anerDev
[10:56] <malgar> I talk to BrainDamages months ago
[10:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[10:57] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: could you suggest me a good computer store in germany? I know computeruniverse.net
[10:58] <Lunar_Lander> there is also http://www.alternate.de/html/index.html
[10:58] <Lunar_Lander> even has an italian site (check the flags at the bottom of the site)
[10:58] <malgar> ok! I was searching in Germany because there I could find a lot more shops selling pc without SO
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> or http://www.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp (you can switch the site to english)
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> SO?
[10:59] <costyn> huh? this is not #pchelp
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> you mean a computer without Windows?
[10:59] <malgar> sorry, OS
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:59] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: yes
[10:59] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, yea
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> I want to say that I am happy about Arduino
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> without Arduino I couldn't have launched my balloon
[11:00] <Lunar_Lander> so thank you Arduino Team and Italy :)
[11:00] <malgar> I'm happy too about arduino :)
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> and Italy makes the Ariane 5 boosters and the greater part of the Vega rocket
[11:01] <Lunar_Lander> which will fly on May 4
[11:04] <x-f> with ESTcube, that will test the electronic sail
[11:04] <x-f> electric sail*
[11:05] <costyn> x-f: sounds cool... link?
[11:06] <x-f> http://www.estcube.eu/
[11:06] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: and a lot of ISS modules has been built in Italy.. but it's about good projects/companies not about a good nation :P
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> oh and Cassini's antenna dish
[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:06] <malgar> yes
[11:08] <malgar> in May the astronaut Parmitano will fly to ISS for some months
[11:08] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: and what about your nickname?
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea I once chose that because I like Apollo and the probe Lunar Prospector
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:09] <HixWork> LEM ;p
[11:09] <malgar> I lovo Lunokhod
[11:09] <malgar> love
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> because back then, when I went to school, Lunar Prospector was the last probe to the moon to that date
[11:09] <Lunar_Lander> I think the next one was Smart-1
[11:10] <malgar> Prospector isn't a lander
[11:16] <Lunar_Lander> I know
[11:16] <Lunar_Lander> but it is called "Lunar"
[11:16] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[11:17] <SpeedEvil> doesn't prospector 'land'?
[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> ?
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[11:17] <Lunar_Lander> it searched the moon for water with the gamma-ray spectrometer
[11:19] <SpeedEvil> most lunar missions are crashed afterwards. simply as there are no stable lunar orbits.
[11:19] <Lunar_Lander> that is true
[11:20] <SpeedEvil> well, technically, I am in a stable lunar orbit.
[11:21] <malgar> in italian there isn't a word for "to land" or better.. it refers to the word "terra->earth": atterrare. So we have to use a different word for each celestial body: allunare(moon), ammartare(mars). But usually I don't care about this and I always say "atterrare"
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[12:52] <WILLdude> Hi
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[12:57] <WILLdude> /window 5
[12:57] <WILLdude> Fail
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[14:24] <malgar> how do you measure the desired volume of the balloon when inflating helium?
[14:25] <costyn> malgar: by measuring the 'neck-lift', how much the balloon is lifting
[14:26] <costyn> malgar: http://habhub.org/calc/ here you can see how much neck-lift you need to lift a certain payload weight to a certain height
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[14:53] <Darkside> hrm
[14:53] <Darkside> hey
[14:53] <Darkside> vk3yt: hey
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[14:56] <Laurenceb> attn Darkside
[14:56] <Laurenceb> http://www.equestriadaily.com/
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[14:59] <Darkside> Laurenceb: i am well aware of this website
[15:01] <costyn> what's this? bronies in our midst?
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[15:03] <Darkside> costyn: >_>
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[15:03] <Darkside> costyn: do you have a problem with that?
[15:04] <costyn> well... not really. Just surprising
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[15:10] <HixWork> Brace, you about?
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[15:16] <Brace> HixWork: yup
[15:21] Nick change: GeekShad1w -> GeekShadow
[15:22] <HixWork> Brace, seen this http://goo.gl/5tN3O - madness
[15:22] <Brace> the Everest thing?
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[15:23] <Brace> yeah, it's interesting to say the least
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[15:24] <HixWork> It's not like Jon and Uli are likely to be acting like tourist fools
[15:25] <Laurenceb> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/90985/1366360847/KWOPR1.jpg
[15:25] <Brace> Simone Moro isn't a slouch either ;)
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[15:25] <Brace> two of the best alpinists in the world and one of the best climbing photographers (who's a pretty decent alpinist himself)
[15:27] <Brace> Ueli climed with a sherpa last year as well, just together as mates, so I find it rather odd, that someone who knows in great detail what the sherpas do and has a lot of respect for them could get in such a situation
[15:27] <Brace> but it's happened so there we go
[15:27] <HixWork> Yup, didn't recognise Simeone's name, bu tI know the face. Jon is a really nice guy aswel as being both an excellent photog and climber
[15:28] <Brace> he climbed Gasherbrum II in the winter last year
[15:28] <Brace> he's pretty damn hardcore
[15:29] <Brace> Everest 4 times and Makalu in the winter as well
[15:30] <HixWork> pah, I'd do it in me vest and pants ;p
[15:32] <Brace> 8000ers (and Himalayan stuff in general) is just stupidly scary
[15:32] <Brace> I wouldn't go near it at all
[15:32] <Brace> 4000ers in the Alps is necky enough for me
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[15:34] <HixWork> I'd love the opportunity, 4000ers are exhillirating, but I've been lucky to never really suffer from any inkling of AMS
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[15:35] <HixWork> interesting to see how hard it gets up there
[15:37] <Brace> I know a mate who did Mera Peak, he's a pretty good climber and done a fair bit around the place, he found that really quite hard
[15:37] <Brace> http://www.summitpost.org/mera-peak-nepal/795888
[15:38] <Brace> and that's only 6000M or so
[15:38] <HixWork> I'm assuming by the looks of the flag that is his report?
[15:39] <Brace> yeah, that's his report
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[15:43] <HixWork> hmm, I'll give it aproper read sometime, looks pretty comprehensive
[15:43] <Brace> oh yeah, make sure you've got a spare 20 minutes
[15:43] <Brace> it's a massive report
[15:43] <HixWork> over a pint sound good :)
[15:43] <HixWork> *sounds
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[16:27] <arko> mornig
[16:27] <arko> morning*
[16:28] <eroomde> do you have jaffa cakes in the US?
[16:29] <Upu> they have Oreos
[16:29] <arko> yes we have Oreos (my favorite)
[16:29] <eroomde> what are you doing here and where is GoT
[16:29] <eroomde> also hello
[16:29] <arko> and yes to jaffa cakes.. but only at this one store i go to who sell EU candy and food
[16:29] <arko> so not really
[16:30] <arko> Game of Thrones?
[16:30] <Upu> just popped on about to go to the pub
[16:30] <eroomde> Upu is the great provider whose patience i test with my unappreciate demands
[16:30] Action: Upu waves
[16:31] <eroomde> like an irc Sodom or Gomorrah
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[16:31] <arko> oh damn i forget that bot does that every time
[16:31] <eroomde> i don't think its explanation is very helpful
[16:32] <arko> lol
[16:32] <arko> ok, im going to try jaffa cakes
[16:32] <arko> next time im at that store
[16:36] <nick_> Do they charge sales tax on jaffa cakes in the US?
[16:38] <arko> yep
[16:38] <nick_> No stupid exceptions for "essential" items like cake?
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[16:39] <arko> nope :/ no write offs either
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[17:03] <eroomde> cakes are essential
[17:08] <S_Mark> Hi all, write up, photos and video of our first launch last weekend are now available stratodean.co.uk!
[17:13] <cuddykid> nice write up
[17:14] <malgar> costyn: but pratically how do you measure the neck lift?
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[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:16] <S_Mark> Cheers cuddykid!
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[17:17] <eroomde> good writup S_Mark
[17:17] <S_Mark> Ah cheers
[17:18] <griffonbot> @stratodean: OK, at last! Video and Photos of our first launch are available on http://t.co/LmyeaNpiOk! #ukhas #coleford #forestofdean #stratodeanlaunch [http://twitter.com/stratodean/status/328921218512191488]
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[17:23] <arko> nice work S_Mark :)
[17:23] <arko> aww he's not here
[17:24] <S_Mark> Hi
[17:24] <S_Mark> Thanks very much arko
[17:24] <arko> he is!
[17:24] <S_Mark> I am
[17:24] <arko> <-- didnt scroll down enough
[17:25] <S_Mark> Took ages to get it all together and that video was a mission, but came together in the end. Annoyed at the fogging - but know what to do for next time
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[17:26] <malgar> S_Mark: great flight!
[17:26] <nosebleedkt> hi all
[17:26] <S_Mark> Thanks malgar
[17:26] <arko> was it a gopro?
[17:26] <arko> err, with the case?
[17:26] <nosebleedkt> oh new flight?
[17:27] <S_Mark> Yes and yes and yes no case next time! Lesson learned.
[17:27] <arko> :)
[17:28] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, can i see the video/pics ?
[17:28] <arko> i really like how the canon chdk worked btw
[17:28] <S_Mark> With the anti-fog inserts for added foggy
[17:28] <S_Mark> Yeah some real good pics
[17:28] <S_Mark> stratodean.co.uk
[17:28] <S_Mark> Gunna put that on the side I think next time. £40 ebay camera
[17:28] <arko> yep!
[17:29] <arko> we put it in our payload and it worked just fine stock
[17:29] <arko> no mods
[17:29] <arko> other than chdk of course
[17:29] <S_Mark> yeah same, real impressed on the quality.
[17:29] <S_Mark> Hopefully will get a clearer day next time
[17:29] <arko> :)
[17:30] <nosebleedkt> lol
[17:30] <nosebleedkt> how UK language sounds
[17:30] <S_Mark> Haha how people from the Forest of Dean sound more like lol
[17:30] <S_Mark> We have to laugh at ourselves lol
[17:31] <S_Mark> Its cringey sometimes
[17:31] <S_Mark> lol
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[17:36] <malgar> how could I measure the neck lift?
[17:36] <nosebleedkt> damn fog
[17:37] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, where are the photographs?
[17:37] <S_Mark> There is a link at the bottom of the post
[17:38] <nosebleedkt> thnx
[17:39] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, check mine?
[17:39] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, check mine
[17:39] <nosebleedkt> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.531010533579662.138394.259791880701530&type=3
[17:40] <S_Mark> wow nice day, what camera is that?
[17:40] <nosebleedkt> canon A490
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> hello nosebleedkt and S_Mark !
[17:40] <nosebleedkt> Luna !
[17:40] <S_Mark> defo putting ours on the side next time. Launch should be in the next few weeks
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> how are you all?
[17:40] <S_Mark> Hi Lunar
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[17:41] <nosebleedkt> omg .. u launch too fast
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> still recovering from surgery
[17:41] <nosebleedkt> luna are u alive?
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:41] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, I need you
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> had a spot removed from my back
[17:42] <nosebleedkt> fat?
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> no, some sort of inflammation
[17:42] <S_Mark> Yep it went quicky! Was on target at 5 m/s
[17:43] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, i mean you have missions very often
[17:43] <nosebleedkt> Luna, stay healthy!
[17:44] <S_Mark> Ah, that was only our first one. Need to do the second fairly soon as we have left over helium which is still on hire
[17:44] <nosebleedkt> and the english lang sounds like james bond movies :P
[17:44] <S_Mark> and I want better photos/videos
[17:44] <S_Mark> lol
[17:44] <nosebleedkt> S_Mark, remove the glass
[17:44] <S_Mark> yep its going defo
[17:45] <nosebleedkt> and launch from greece if you want more exotic scenery :P
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, yea
[17:46] <nosebleedkt> where is fsphil !
[17:47] <eroomde> bigger than max int overflows = let's turn to algebra
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> S_Mark, do you have a youtube link handy to your launch video?
[17:47] <Lunar_Lander> I kicked flash from my PC today, so embedded vids don't work anymore
[17:47] <S_Mark> ah ok
[17:47] <S_Mark> 1 sec
[17:48] <S_Mark> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1rgpJFRp1I
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[17:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
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[17:53] <mclane> hi Lunar_Lander
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[17:53] <mclane> fine so far
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> nice to hear
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> you are preparing PYSY 5 I think?
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:54] <mclane> yes sir
[17:54] <eroomde> he's got a file on you
[17:54] <Lunar_Lander> xD no
[18:03] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, you got the camera module running well?
[18:04] <mclane> you mean the uart camera?
[18:04] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:06] <mclane> see here: http://www.pirnay.com/index.php/de/home/m-blog/91-2-2-2013-kamera-tests
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> that I know
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:06] <Lunar_Lander> so you can take pictures and save them on an SD?
[18:06] <mclane> yes
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[18:07] <mclane> its not the nicest picture of myself ;-)
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[18:07] <Lunar_Lander> I hope I get this thing to work one day too
[18:08] <mclane> its not that difficult
[18:09] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:10] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VXbbEGK9oMI
[18:10] <eroomde> better late than never
[18:15] <x-f> 33 seconds of history
[18:16] <arko> wow
[18:16] <arko> was that manned?
[18:16] <nigelvh> Video isn't available now.
[18:16] <fsphil> removed
[18:16] <arko> ha!
[18:16] <arko> just happened too
[18:16] <arko> i watched it, refreshed
[18:16] <arko> then its gone
[18:19] <arko> neat: http://spaceweather.com/images2013/28apr13/pop_slomo2.gif?PHPSESSID=guif0ljlbhgt7sv50kmrsugbs5
[18:19] <eroomde> nice arko
[18:19] <arko> so was there a person inside the craft?
[18:20] <arko> im not sure since the last time they killed 3 people
[18:20] <arko> :(
[18:20] <eroomde> http://www.parabolicarc.com/2013/04/29/pictures-of-spaceshiptwos-first-powered-flight/
[18:20] <eroomde> they've never killed anyone flying
[18:21] <eroomde> i think they've only killed people by being confused about what to do with a supercritical fluid
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[18:22] <nigelvh> I'll admit that I'd be confused about what to do with a supercritical fluid.
[18:22] <eroomde> drink it
[18:22] <nigelvh> Good to know.
[18:23] <eroomde> i think that's what they do with N20 at noisebridge
[18:23] <arko> hahahaha
[18:23] <arko> oh
[18:23] <arko> i didnt know that
[18:23] <arko> so it was a chemical accident?
[18:23] <arko> <-- doesn't keep up with virgin galatica at all
[18:25] <eroomde> yes their staorage tank blew during some tests
[18:25] <eroomde> storage*
[18:25] <fsphil> I thought that project was grinding to a halt, quite pleased to see something happening
[18:26] <eroomde> i think 99% of it has been hybrid problems
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, what was it btw?
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> the youtube video
[18:26] <arko> ohhh
[18:26] <arko> wow i really should read more
[18:26] <arko> that pretty sad regardless
[18:27] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, "B-Roll Footage of Virgin Galactic breaking the speed of sound in first rocket-powered flight of SpaceShipTwo"
[18:27] <fsphil> shame it can never reach orbit
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:27] <arko> 1 accident can kill a company
[18:27] <fsphil> guess that's for SpaceShipThree
[18:27] <arko> i fear for spacex...
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[18:27] <arko> 1 failure and cost will skyrocket and regulations will get tighter
[18:27] <arko> promise that
[18:28] <arko> looks like the spaceshiptwo was manned.. thought it was autonomous for some reason..
[18:29] <fsphil> two pilots
[18:29] <arko> yeah
[18:29] <arko> ok
[18:29] <arko> new rule
[18:29] <arko> no more "Sign up to go space today!" adverts for these companies
[18:29] <arko> seriously.. they can bearly break the sonic barrier...
[18:30] <arko> barely*
[18:30] <fsphil> >100km is certainly space, but they should have to make it clear it's sub-orbital
[18:30] <eroomde> i think they get to about mach 4
[18:30] <eroomde> which is more than barely breaking it
[18:31] <arko> ok
[18:31] <eroomde> mach 3 even
[18:31] <fsphil> spaceshipone got to mach 3 according to wikipedia
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[18:31] <arko> im probably more upset that its not really "visiting space"
[18:31] <arko> or going to space... it's more tickling space
[18:31] <eroomde> it is. for about 2 minutes :)
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[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[18:32] <arko> fair enough
[18:32] <fsphil> space joyride
[18:32] <arko> morning tom
[18:32] <arko> i'd still go
[18:32] <fsphil> I'd still pay it :)
[18:32] <fsphil> far cheaper than orbit
[18:32] <eroomde> space vomit
[18:32] <eroomde> right i'm off for sportiness
[18:32] <eroomde> ttyl
[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pliki/bohr.jpg can't stop laughing ;-)
[18:32] <fsphil> take a balloon with me. "alright media, here's your damn space balloon"
[18:33] <arko> later ed
[18:33] <fsphil> I'm debating between a cycle, or eating biscuits
[18:34] <arko> cycle!
[18:34] <fsphil> not an easy choice
[18:34] <arko> both
[18:34] <arko> at the same time
[18:34] <fsphil> hmmm yes. I like your thinking on this issue
[18:34] <arko> i want to go on the vomit comit
[18:34] <fsphil> Ryanair?
[18:35] <arko> wat?
[18:35] <fsphil> (realise local reference, you won't get it)
[18:35] <fsphil> it's a budget airline
[18:35] <arko> :P
[18:35] <fsphil> very budget
[18:35] <arko> gotcha
[18:35] <arko> lawn mower engine and some cardboard?
[18:36] <fsphil> http://youngadventuress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Cabin-seats.jpg
[18:36] <arko> but anyway, good on Virgin Galatic
[18:36] <arko> lol
[18:37] <fsphil> actually this one is worse: http://i.imgur.com/5jaSIJV.jpg
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[18:40] <arko> omg
[18:40] <arko> Ozzy has gotten really old...
[18:40] <arko> wow
[18:41] <lz1dev> was thinking the same thing
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[18:43] <fsphil> http://www.universetoday.com/101837/warning-shot-a-bullet-hole-on-the-iss/
[18:44] <arko> oh thats scary
[18:45] <fsphil> right. cycle, then biscuits
[18:46] <arko> s/then/while/
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[19:12] <arko> anyone here have experience with Microsoft SQL Server?
[19:12] <griffonbot> @petegow1: RT @stratodean: OK, at last! Video and Photos of our first launch are available on http://t.co/LmyeaNpiOk! #ukhas #coleford #forestofdean #& [http://twitter.com/petegow1/status/328949970470313985]
[19:19] <fsphil> only a little bit arko
[19:20] <arko> im having all sorts of issues shrinking/truncating a transaction log
[19:20] <arko> MS really made this stupid
[19:20] <fsphil> yep, they did
[19:20] <arko> any recommendations as to how to shrink a log file?
[19:20] <arko> and keep it small
[19:21] <arko> the DB is like 4TB
[19:21] <fsphil> I can't remember how exactly I did it. In the database properties there is a section on the files used by the DB, and a value of how big they are allowed to grow to
[19:21] <arko> log is like triple that
[19:21] <arko> yeah
[19:21] <arko> i found that
[19:21] <arko> hmmm
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[19:22] <fsphil> you may have to take it offline
[19:22] <fsphil> remove the file, then create a new one with limits
[19:22] <arko> yeah
[19:23] <fsphil> but I'm pretty sure I did it online
[19:23] <arko> shrink is really messy
[19:23] <arko> like.. really messy
[19:23] <fsphil> my DB is nowhere near that big though
[19:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi daveake :-)
[19:23] <arko> yeah, these db's are huge
[19:23] <arko> insanity i tel you
[19:24] <arko> this was just dropped on my lap.. boss came in "hey you know this db stuff, fix it"
[19:24] <arko> "sure i do.. oh crap MSSQL.. ffuuuuuuu"
[19:26] <fsphil> MSSQL is easly annoyed
[19:26] <fsphil> we've had a couple of issues with it just randomly failing
[19:27] <mfa298> easy solution to that is replace it with some other DB (As long as it's not Access)
[19:28] <fsphil> the ironically named access
[19:28] <nigelvh> MSSQL is terrible
[19:28] <fsphil> still better than access
[19:29] <nigelvh> That doesn't mean it's good.
[19:29] <mfa298> although at least access most people expect to be poor (unless you're only storing a small amount of data)
[19:29] <nigelvh> The whole deal with the logs being essential is crap, and the management is not well thought out.
[19:30] <nigelvh> *Disclaimer: I'm a Linux Sys Admin and have been on occasion forced to work with the Microsoft Server products.
[19:31] <fsphil> imagine a fairly heavly used system running from an MDB file in a windows share :)
[19:31] <mfa298> I've only really had bad experience with MSSQL - although I've only had it installed as part of WSUS
[19:32] <fsphil> imagine how happy I was we finally got MSSQL running :)
[19:32] <fsphil> *when we
[19:32] <nigelvh> I'm not fond of IIS, and Exchange can similarly be a pain.
[19:32] <nigelvh> The problem is these services are huge and valuable to users, but for Sys Admins they can be a huge issue.
[19:32] <fsphil> exchange hasn't bothered me too much. I don't like it, but it works
[19:32] <mfa298> I'm mostly in the same position as nigelvh - Linux Sys Admin although I've dabbled with windows - partly as a know thy enemy exercide
[19:33] <fsphil> IIS is useless though
[19:33] <fsphil> I don't think anyone uses that by choice
[19:33] <nigelvh> I know a few...
[19:33] <mfa298> luckily I've only had to touch exchange at the network layer when playing with NLBs
[19:34] <nigelvh> I once had an exchange DB get corrupt, which still managed to work fine for exchange, but would cause a crash if you tried to back it up.
[19:34] <mfa298> I've seen a few people who've chosen IIS, although I think that's because the liked ASP.Net
[19:34] <fsphil> someone liked asp.net?
[19:36] <mfa298> apparently some people like such things. I assume they just havn't been enlightened into the Linux/Unix way of doing things
[19:36] <nigelvh> I certainly prefer the *nix side.
[19:36] <nigelvh> Though I suppose that's given away by what I do.
[19:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Matt "[UKHAS] ESRB thank you"
[19:42] <griffonbot> Received email: STRATODEAN "[UKHAS] Re: STRATODEAN Launch 10am 21/04/13 from Coleford, Forest of
[19:42] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] MONDO launch"
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[20:40] <domlin> morning
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[20:44] <Steffann> morning.
[20:45] <SpeedEvil> moaning
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[20:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.b3tards.com/u/037e58b9e054b3c8dd7b/montgolf.gif
[20:55] <chrisstubbs> Does anyone have a link to the page that outlines how to connect a GPS to the UART whilst still being able to program via it
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> using resistors
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> Upu sent it to a few people a while ago
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[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, http://www.billporter.info/2011/06/26/how-to-add-multiple-uart-connections/
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> perfect, cheers Lunar_Lander
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hi Lunar_Lander :-)
[21:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> chrisstubbs: You Can also try MAX3100
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[21:14] <Willdude123> Hola.
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[21:15] <Willdude123> Oh, he's back.
[21:15] <Willdude123> Hi Upu
[21:15] <Willdude123> How was your trip?
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[21:17] <JimmyBob73> I need upu
[21:18] <Willdude123> Erm. OK. Bit weird
[21:18] <JimmyBob73> I NEED UPU
[21:19] <Willdude123> !op ^
[21:19] <JimmyBob73> UPU
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[21:20] <Willdude123> Can someone ban him?
[21:20] <Laurenceb_> TrollBob
[21:21] <Willdude123> TrollBob?
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> Evening domlin
[21:22] <domlin> ite son
[21:22] <Willdude123> Evening chris
[21:24] <Laurenceb_> http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/500/Troll_s_Brain_and_memory.gif
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[21:24] <griffonbot> @morsey44: RT @stratodean: OK, at last! Video and Photos of our first launch are available on http://t.co/LmyeaNpiOk! #ukhas #coleford #forestofdean #& [http://twitter.com/morsey44/status/328983246689939456]
[21:26] <Willdude123> Bear in mind you have been banned before for trolling children.
[21:26] <Willdude123> :-P
[21:27] <Laurenceb_> its past your bedtime
[21:27] <Willdude123> How do you know that?
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[21:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[21:35] <cuddykid> anyone know how rocketboy gets such smooth camera hole/curve insets? http://www.flickr.com/photos/16828840@N07/8455732839/in/photostream
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[21:38] <eroomde> probably just hotwire
[21:39] <cuddykid> ah yes
[21:39] <SpeedEvil> http://brainsciencepodcast.com/bsp/edward-taubs-revolutionary-approach-to-stroke-rehabilitation.html
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> on a more sane brain science resource
[21:40] <SpeedEvil> a fascinating podcast
[21:41] <Willdude123> Urgh. My parents won't let me build a pc.
[21:42] <cuddykid> why not?
[21:44] <Willdude123> They think I'll spend £600 on components and then discover they 'won't work'
[21:44] <SpeedEvil> sigh
[21:45] <SpeedEvil> what's the proposed alternative?
[21:46] <Willdude123> Buy one.
[21:46] <Willdude123> But custom built ones with the spec I'm going for is near impossible.
[21:47] <domlin> what spec you looking at?
[21:47] <Willdude123> 6 core FX-6300 with 7950 radeon and 8 gigs of RAM
[21:48] <qyx_> O_o
[21:48] <domlin> stay away from AMD :p
[21:48] <Willdude123> Why?
[21:48] <qyx_> thats the first point
[21:48] <qyx_> the other is.. what for?
[21:48] <mfa298> if you want custom spec look at pcspecialist.co.uk
[21:48] <domlin> AMD might be cheap but they just dont compare to intel in a lot of cases
[21:48] <Willdude123> Looked there. It's was more expensive and less cool custom built.
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[21:49] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[21:49] <Willdude123> AMD does better graphics.
[21:49] <domlin> ati cards ?
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> perhaps start more modest
[21:50] <mfa298> if you want good cpu power go intel. If you want the ability for huge amounts of memory (and possibly lots of cores) go AMD (Huge memory is into 64GB or more and lots of cores being >8)
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> get a 100 quid PC with case from eBay
[21:50] <SpeedEvil> that you can upgrade part by part
[21:50] <mfa298> from what I know of graphics it really depends on what you want to do
[21:50] <qyx_> i bought dual core i3 & 4G ram & ssd for 380e last year, better spend the rest for something more useful
[21:51] <domlin> Willdude123: have a read of this :) http://shintai.ambition.cz/hardware.html
[21:51] <Willdude123> I'll start from scratch I think.
[21:52] <Willdude123> AMD is in my opinion the best value option.
[21:52] <domlin> goes into detail of different chipsets, cpus, etc
[21:53] <mfa298> also £600 is quite a bit to spend on a machine. I think my "server" has cost ~£800 and that's an i7, server mobo, 16G ram and full hardware raid (and the raid makes up £200 of that) - That's also on prices from a couple of years ago
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> quite
[21:54] <Willdude123> domlin, tl;dr
[21:54] <mfa298> AMD is cheap, but I think Intel i5 probably works out best bang for buck.
[21:54] <domlin> AMD arent worth buying.
[21:54] <Willdude123> I'm sticking with AMD.
[21:54] <qyx_> why?
[21:55] <Willdude123> Idk.
[21:55] <domlin> because he doesnt like good computers
[21:55] <mfa298> what is it you're wanting to do with this machine
[21:55] <qyx_> noone buy amd nowadays
[21:55] <Willdude123> mfa298: Maybe bitcoin mining with the GPU, minecraft, a lot of it, skyrim maybe, FSX.
[21:56] <qyx_> not worth even 100e :X
[21:56] <mfa298> The only reasons I've come accross buying AMD is if you want a workstation with huge memory (getting more and 64GB in an intel workstation is difficult)
[21:56] <mfa298> for the gaming you might find i5 is better, lots of cores are unlikely to help.
[21:57] <griffonbot> @joelnorris7: RT @stratodean: OK, at last! Video and Photos of our first launch are available on http://t.co/LmyeaNpiOk! #ukhas #coleford #forestofdean #& [http://twitter.com/joelnorris7/status/328991379600584704]
[21:57] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[21:57] <Willdude123> Can I have an intel processor, with amd graphics.
[21:57] <domlin> yes
[21:57] <mfa298> you might also want to decide if you want to prioritise bitcoin or gaming (from a bit of reading recently nvidia seems to be better for gaming, ati for mining)
[21:58] <Willdude123> Btc probably.
[21:58] <mfa298> unless you can spend mega bucks I'm not sure how much worth there is in btc. It takes a lot of effort to get any coins.
[21:58] <qyx_> keep in mind that it is designed to be hard to mine
[21:58] <mfa298> it looks like mining is moving towards asic based miners
[21:59] <qyx_> parents will se it on electricity consumption :X
[21:59] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[22:00] <qyx_> you cannot mine for nothing (by design)
[22:00] <Willdude123> So what could I replace the fx6300 with?
[22:00] <qyx_> the more you mine, the lower the value is
[22:00] <Willdude123> It's not going to be a major thing.
[22:00] <mfa298> or when the electricity company suspects something dodgy is happening due to the power usage http://blogs.computerworld.com/18335/bitcoin_miners_busted_police_confuse_bitcoin_power_usage_for_pot_farm
[22:02] <mfa298> in the intel cpu range I think the best bang for buck option is the i5.
[22:03] <Willdude123> Can I keep the same RAM, GPU, Case etc..
[22:03] <domlin> intel are more expensive then amd but you really do get what you pay for
[22:03] <domlin> youll need a different motherboard
[22:03] <domlin> which might effect the RAM that you need
[22:03] <domlin> and case, and GPU
[22:03] <mfa298> you'll need a mobo that supports intel, which might affect the ram choice
[22:04] <Willdude123> I wanna keep it sub 580.
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[22:05] <mfa298> if you want to overclock you probably want the K version of an i5 and a better cooler. If you're not overclocking the stock fan shoudl be fine
[22:06] <Willdude123> I'll stick with AMD, because with intel, the specs are less scary/awesome/amazing
[22:06] <domlin> but will out perform amd in reality
[22:06] <Willdude123> And the price is good.
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[22:08] <mfa298> it's not just about the cpu speed. You can only really compare that within a single architecture
[22:08] <Willdude123> Unless I can get an intel setup with as good a gpu (that's good for mining and gaming), I am sticking with amd
[22:08] <Willdude123> *for less
[22:08] <mfa298> you should be able to stick any GPU into amd or intel
[22:09] <mfa298> the only time you might find limits is it you want to SLI/Crossfire in which case I think you need a suitable mobo (which will be true for amd or intel)
[22:10] <Willdude123> Good intel for sub 100?
[22:10] <mfa298> From my experience choosing a suitable mobo is the hardest part.
[22:11] <Willdude123> i5s are a lot
[22:12] <Willdude123> What about mobo ram cpu combos?
[22:12] <mfa298> also compare the price of the mobo.
[22:13] <Willdude123> It's evidently going to cost shitloads more.
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> pentium 4
[22:13] <Willdude123> No thanks.
[22:13] <mfa298> what amd cpu, mobo and gfx are you looking at ?
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> sorry aha, the i5 is a nice investment
[22:13] <Willdude123> I'll get the spreadsgeet I made
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[22:14] <chrisstubbs> you can get bundles on ebay, at least that way you know it should all be compatible so not a bad idea
[22:14] <chrisstubbs> however most of the bundles i have seen are AMD FX series, which appears to rate farily badly
[22:15] <Willdude123> Argh.
[22:15] <Willdude123> I like this amd setup.
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> too many options
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> talk to they guys on #hardware too
[22:15] <mfa298> novatech are also pretty good for bundles (you can get a cpu/mobo/ram bundle which is tested as compatible)
[22:17] <Willdude123> I have an Asus AMD gamer bundle from dabs
[22:17] <Willdude123> And a 7950
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[22:17] <mfa298> do you have a link / item code for the bundle on dabs ?
[22:18] <Willdude123> chrisstubbs, they are wayyyyyyy too expensive.
[22:19] <Willdude123> http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-amd-gamer-bundle--includes-m5a97-r2-0--amd-fx-4170---8gb-corsair-vengeance-lp-memory--8H7T.html
[22:19] <Willdude123> Intel might be a bit better, but is way too expensive.
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[22:21] <Willdude123> O.O
[22:21] <Willdude123> http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-Quad-Core-Freezer-Elite-8GB-Asus-z77-Gaming-Barebones-PC_43449.html
[22:22] <Willdude123> What wou
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[22:23] <Willdude123> Would I need to add?
[22:24] <mfa298> Graphics, Hard Drive, DVD/bluray, OS
[22:24] <mfa298> which you'de need to add to the dabs bundle as well (as well as a case)
[22:25] <Willdude123> I have a dvd drive.
[22:26] <Willdude123> Graphics would be 7950, which is 220.
[22:27] <Willdude123> Jesus.
[22:28] <mfa298> if you got the dabs bundle you'll need a decent case and a good PSU with that which it looks like the Intel bundle already has
[22:29] <Willdude123> I wouldn't waste a processor though.
[22:29] <mfa298> how do you mean ?
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> overclock link looks pretty tasty actually
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> im off, night
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[22:32] <Willdude123> This is doing my head in.
[22:32] <mfa298> what did you mean about wasting a processor ?
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[22:35] <Willdude123> The intel bundle, has a mobo and processor.
[22:35] <Willdude123> So there'd be no point sticking th amd stuff in it,
[22:36] <mfa298> with the intel bundle you probably want to add the amd graphics card (if that's the one you want) and the onboard graphics aren't that good
[22:37] <mfa298> it's the same thing in the amd bundle, that also has mobo and processor
[22:37] <craag> 7950 is a ridiculously powerful card btw, you could save a bit of cash by going for something a little less powerful.
[22:37] <mfa298> CPU is not the same as GPU.
[22:37] <Willdude123> I know
[22:37] <Willdude123> Yeah.
[22:37] <Willdude123> 7870 would be good
[22:38] <craag> I have a 6770 which is roughly half the power and have never felt it reach it's limits.
[22:39] <mfa298> remember you can always buy a cheap gpu for now and upgrade later.
[22:40] <Willdude123> I can't find a good barebones one though.
[22:41] <mfa298> I found this which compares the two CPUs http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/440/AMD_FX-Series_FX-4170_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-3570K.html the only thing the fx4170 cpu wins on is price, in some cases it's a lot worse at processing stuff than the i5.
[22:42] <mfa298> Willdude123: that overclock intel bundle looks pretty nice, it's got the top i5 processor in it
[22:42] <Willdude123> This is reallty doing my head in.
[22:42] <Willdude123> Which one?
[22:42] <mfa298> the one you linked to earlier
[22:43] <Willdude123> Oh ueah
[22:43] <Willdude123> Err.
[22:43] <Willdude123> Right.
[22:44] <craag> Looks good to me too.
[22:44] <Willdude123> 460+176+50=686 fucking great fucking british fucking pound
[22:44] <craag> What's the 176 and 50?
[22:44] <mfa298> That bundle has mobo, CPU, RAM, case and big PSU so you'll probably be fine with most GPU's
[22:44] <craag> I'm guessing 50 is hdd.
[22:45] <Willdude123> 7870 and seagate.
[22:45] <craag> That would be a pretty sweet machine.
[22:45] <Willdude123> Not for 686 pounds
[22:46] <mfa298> that's a nice machine for 686
[22:46] <Willdude123> I think I might stick with AMD now.
[22:46] <Willdude123> 686 is way outta budget.
[22:46] <craag> What's your budget?
[22:48] <Willdude123> 580
[22:48] <Willdude123> http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/AMD-Bulldozer-FX-42GHz-Freezer-Elite-8GB-Gaming-Barebones-PC_44736.html
[22:49] <Willdude123> Not bad.
[22:49] <Willdude123> All this is completely doing my damn head in.
[22:50] <Willdude123> Seriously.
[22:51] <craag> It's tough choosing.
[22:51] <Willdude123> It's so fucking confusing.
[22:53] <Willdude123> ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
[22:54] <craag> Personally I'd go for the intel cpu, and a cheaper graphics card for now.
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[22:55] <mfa298> I don't like that site for some options, you cant see what CPU is in the bundles
[22:55] <mfa298> I had seen http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Intel-Core-i5-30Ghz-Quad-Core-8GB-DDR3-1600MHZ-RAM-USB30-VGASoundLAN-Motherboard-T1-Mini-Tower-Barebones-System-Kit_45325.html
[22:56] <Willdude123> Nah fuck this I'm buying a pc.
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[23:02] <mfa298> Willdude123: you might find the chart on here is useful http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
[23:04] <mfa298> The i5-3570k is in the top box, The AMD's you're looking at are in the 3rd or 4th box (and are mostly compared to an older generation intel cpu)
[23:05] <mfa298> skimming the rest of the article AMD is suggested in the super cheap rigs, intel wins out when you spend a bit of money.
[23:05] <mfa298> also if you're buying a cheap CPU option you may not get the full potential from a top of the range gpu/
[23:06] <Willdude123> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-253-OE&groupid=43&catid=2475
[23:06] <Willdude123> Not bad.
[23:08] Action: mfa298 wonders how that PSU would cope (430W for a big AMD and GPU doesn't seem enough)
[23:13] <mfa298> I tried looking up that the 4770 gpu. I'm just finding reviews from 2009.
[23:13] <craag> It's a corsair psu, so it'd be fine I reckon.
[23:14] <mfa298> if it's that old you might do as well with the onboard graphics of the i5 bundle.
[23:14] <craag> It's a 7770 GPU
[23:14] <craag> ?
[23:15] <craag> So the upgraded equivalent of what I've got, powerful enough for everything I've done.
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[23:15] <mfa298> I must have misread, although I'm sure I read it several times and it said 4770
[23:15] <mfa298> 7770 would be more like it
[23:16] <craag> Willdude123: That's a good deal.
[23:17] <craag> If you really want it to fly, grab a cheap 32GB SSD as well for your OS.
[23:17] <Willdude123> So run the os on that?
[23:18] <mfa298> spec for the 7770 says 500W or greater PSU so I think a 430 might be pushing it but it would probably survive if you don't overclock it and don't push it to the limits too much
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[23:18] <mfa298> Willdude123: what OS are you planning to run ?
[23:18] <craag> mfa298: That does assume worst-case scenario for th rest of the system.
[23:18] <Willdude123> Linux, till I can afford otherwise.
[23:19] <mfa298> craag: well from most of the amd cpu's I looked at they do seem to be more power hungry than intel.
[23:19] <Willdude123> Does permanent damage occur if you don't give it enough power?
[23:19] <mfa298> Linux should be happy on a 32G SSD.
[23:20] <craag> Then store your data on the 500GB hdd.
[23:20] <craag> (documents, etc)
[23:20] <mfa298> Windows seems to grow quite big as it get's updates etc. - it looks like it stores every possible version of every dll in the windows folder.
[23:21] <Willdude123> How much would a 32 gig ssd be?
[23:21] <mfa298> Seeing how windows grows I think I'd want it on at least a 60G drive to give it space to grow and still keep the used space under 80%
[23:21] <Willdude123> It'd be a pain to fit.
[23:22] <Willdude123> I'm not planning on major bitcoin mining, just enough to do gambling with it.
[23:22] <mfa298> My only real experience of having an underpowered PSU was on a pretty old machine and it led to data corruption on the drives. It's possible other nasty things could happen.
[23:23] <Willdude123> The way I see bitcoin, is that it's overpriced monopoly money.
[23:27] <Willdude123> BitVegas is pretty epic,
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[23:35] <mfa298> hmmm, that's not a good sign. I've got an old nvidia gpu and theres and odd smd component in the anti stat bag with it
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