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[04:57] <arko> ooooo
[04:57] <arko> get the watch the new doctor who soon
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[05:42] <eroomde> morn
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[06:49] <arko> mornin
[06:49] <arko> watched new doctor who
[06:49] <arko> good feelz, totally lost with questions
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[07:14] <fsphil> arko: yea good episode
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[07:20] <cm13g09> morning all
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[07:24] <fsphil> morn
[07:27] <Babs> Morning - lets look at the flight schedule today then
[07:28] <Babs> Chrisstubbs will be taking off from Gate 1 in Chelmsford at 9am.
[07:28] <craag> morning cm13g09
[07:30] <Babs> and I think thats it
[07:30] <Babs> I'm off to Dixons duty free to buy a neck pillow and a money belt before take off
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[07:30] <craag> Yeah, chrisstubbs wasn't sure about the prediction last night (landing inside M25), but no news this morning might be good news.
[07:32] <craag> Running his simulation again now however still shows a landing just inside M25 near Orpington, although that bit really isn't that built up.
[07:33] <craag> http://www.suws.org.uk/predict/#!/uuid=ace2f945e396270b4339495e5129ef97481c5dd2
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[07:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[07:38] <mclane> hi Lunar_Lander
[07:38] <mclane> whats new?
[07:39] <Lunar_Lander> I got the HIH-61XX series library which is new on the arduino website to work
[07:39] <Lunar_Lander> and you?
[07:39] <mclane> working on PYSY5
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[07:39] <mclane> Launch planned next Saturday
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[07:41] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[07:42] <Lunar_Lander> what is on the flight?
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[07:46] <mclane> Only a tracker plus backup GPS/GSM
[07:46] <malgar> how to follow chrisstub's launch?
[07:46] <malgar> is it tracked?
[07:46] <mclane> we want to get as high as possible
[07:46] <arko> said snoop dogg
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[07:47] <number10> malgar: if it launches here http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[07:48] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[07:50] <Lunar_Lander> wb mclane
[07:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello arko
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[07:50] <arko> sup
[07:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah well I'm up dressed but not fed yet, hope CHEAPO isn't to late flying ;-)
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[07:53] <arko> i had the best indian food today
[07:54] <gonzo_> curry for breakfast?
[07:54] <number10> american indian - or asian?
[07:54] <arko> dinner
[07:54] <arko> im in the US
[07:55] <gonzo_> no excuse for stopping up so late!
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[08:18] <Lunar_Lander> morning
[08:18] <Hix> hi Lunar_Lander
[08:19] <Hix> docs go ok the other day?
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[08:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> morning all
[08:19] <Hix> hey SP9UOB_Tom
[08:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hix: how's my pizza ;-) ?
[08:19] <steve_____> mo
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[08:20] <steve_____> morning
[08:20] <Hix> just waiting for a kabanos topping :)
[08:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL, i hope GPS GP antenna is still working
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[08:22] <Hix> SP9UOB_Tom: regret to inform, gone all posh :D http://stratosvision.com/img/TrackerComplete.jpg
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[08:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hix: wow...
[08:23] <SP9UOB_Tom> is HUGE ;-) http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico1.jpg
[08:24] <SP9UOB_Tom> just kidding :-) good work :-)
[08:24] <Hix> yeah, not really bothered about the weight seeing as throwing a gopro and a camera up with it
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[08:25] <Hix> please with it though, first pcb, first smd, it works too ;p
[08:25] <steve_____> It looks great
[08:25] <Hix> cheers steve_____
[08:25] <steve_____> is it two layer
[08:26] <Hix> yup
[08:26] <Hix> ATMega on reverse
[08:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> this was my first: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/traker.jpg
[08:26] <steve_____> and you sent away to get it made?
[08:27] <Hix> yes steve_____ have a look on #hackvana ~$19 for 10x5cm^2 boards delivered
[08:27] <Hix> he's used by a lot of guys on here
[08:27] <Darkside> hackvana is awesome
[08:27] <steve_____> thats really cheao
[08:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> and final APRS: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/hab1.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/hab2.jpg
[08:27] <steve_____> cheap
[08:28] <Darkside> great quality manufacturing too
[08:29] <steve_____> what have you got sticking out the top?
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[08:29] <Hix> that first one is huge SP9UOB_Tom was it progammed with punched cards ;p
[08:29] <steve_____> I assume the socket on the right is an aerial
[08:29] <pb0ahx> gm t all
[08:29] <Hix> steve_____: top is GPS antenna
[08:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hix: almost ;-)
[08:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> Anyway it's design is based on dsPIC and also include APRS and PSK31 decoding on board
[08:30] <Darkside> decoding!
[08:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have we heard from chrisstubbs this morning at all I see he left the IRC around 05:00 this morning ?
[08:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> im thinking about WSPR implementation
[08:31] <Darkside> SP9UOB_Tom: do you mean encoding
[08:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> Darkside: DECODING and DEMODULATION
[08:31] <Darkside> you can't get enoughd data through WSPR
[08:31] <Darkside> i've had a look at that
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[08:31] <Darkside> might be ok for transatlantic / pacific floaters though
[08:31] <Darkside> to get a very rough locator
[08:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> Darkside: http://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsp9uob.verox.pl%2Fdstnc.html&act=url
[08:32] <Hix> oh is CHEAPO going up today?
[08:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> sorry for google-translate but no time
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[08:32] <Herman-PB0AHX> gm to all
[08:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> Darkside: yeah, in fact APRS coverage ends at Poland, and begins again in Japan
[08:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> He siad it was yesterday https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ukhas/-YxbFwx8nGc
[08:34] <Hix> hmm tracker needs a bit of housekeeping
[08:35] <costyn> Hix: rather :)
[08:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> It does rather going to get confusing if CHEAPO appears!
[08:35] <steve_____> yeah it loads over Australia !
[08:35] <costyn> Hix: it did yesterday too
[08:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> Darkside: if i have receiver onboard (id BAOFENG) i can command my payload via APRS Network, even via APRS-IS - just sent aprs message to it
[08:36] <Darkside> k
[08:36] <GMT> who does the housekeeping on the Spacenear site?
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[08:37] <Hix> ive asked on #habhub
[08:37] <lz1dev> i've cleared some
[08:38] <jonsowman> shall I just nuke the lot?
[08:38] <lz1dev> can you honestly nuke ESRB ?
[08:38] <lz1dev> really? such a nice flight path
[08:39] <jonsowman> it is cool
[08:39] <GMT> you can get rid of PSB
[08:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> I have the KML file for ESRB just can't work out where to position the camera to make it look good!
[08:39] <cm13g09> lol
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[08:39] <lz1dev> jonsowman: http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/?nyan
[08:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: You can alco clear SP9UOB's
[08:40] <lz1dev> try it in nyan mode
[08:40] <lz1dev> SP9UOB_Tom: both of them?
[08:40] <Hix> who's was ESRB?
[08:40] <jonsowman> that's beautiful
[08:40] <cm13g09> Hix: I'm not sure we know
[08:40] <Hix> right near me and knew nowt about it
[08:40] <steve_____> it was posted on the mailing list
[08:40] <steve_____> flew yesterday
[08:40] <cm13g09> steve_____: it was?
[08:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: yeah, that was final tests before capsule sealing
[08:41] <steve_____> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/VrYU2peOlK4
[08:41] <lz1dev> ok, cleared
[08:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Stubbs "[UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - NSE2 - Sunday 28th April 2013 - 9AM"
[08:41] <Hix> cheers
[08:41] <Hix> lz1dev: is the mobile tracker real then?
[08:41] <craag> :( no launch today
[08:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> oh well back to bed in that case
[08:41] <lz1dev> Hix: what do you mean?
[08:41] <cm13g09> :(
[08:41] <malgar> scrub?
[08:42] <GMT> indeed ... CHEAPO is scrubbed
[08:42] <craag> malgar: Predicted to land in london, so cancelled
[08:42] <Hix> lz1dev: first ive heard of spacenear mobile
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[08:42] <number10> not sure what happened to mondo either
[08:42] <malgar> craag: :D in london! cool :P
[08:43] <lz1dev> Hix: its not widely used, but its been up for some months now
[08:43] <steve_____> bum - there were so many golf courses around the predicted landing zone it had to hit one of them
[08:43] <Hix> excellent, great work
[08:43] <lz1dev> it was aimed at mobile devices, but it does all now
[08:44] <Hix> to be fair CHEAPO was a little near Gatwick http://86.173.241.252/
[08:45] <Hix> its really nice lz1dev is it done in python?
[08:46] <lz1dev> erm no, its just a frontend, uses the same backend as spacenear
[08:47] <steve_____> oh well - speak you guys next weekend
[08:48] <steve_____> have a good week
[08:48] <lz1dev> u2
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[08:49] <Hix> who runs spacenear and where do you find documentation on it?
[08:49] <Darkside> documentation?
[08:49] <Darkside> hah
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[08:50] <Hix> is it another hourly Darkside
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[08:52] <KF7FER> SP90UOB isn't your chip antenna upside down?
[08:53] <KF7FER> I ask because I just did that on my latest board and I'm pretty sure it's not right
[08:53] <KF7FER> I couldn't get a fix anyways :-)
[08:53] <KF7FER> until I flipped it over
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[08:55] <lz1dev> documentation, good one :)
[08:55] <Hix> who owns spacenear lz1dev ?
[08:55] <jonsowman> the domain name?
[08:55] <jonsowman> or the server?
[08:55] <jonsowman> or..?
[08:56] <Hix> the non documented backend
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[08:56] <jonsowman> it was originally written by natrium42
[08:56] <Hix> ah oki
[08:56] <jonsowman> it now runs on a ukhas server, tiamat
[08:56] <jonsowman> and has been tweaked a lot by #habhub people
[08:57] <Hix> is it on github?
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[08:57] <jonsowman> i don't think it was ever open sourced
[08:57] <Hix> right
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[09:00] <jonsowman> for reasons that escape me
[09:00] <Herman-PB0AHX> any balon today up ??
[09:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nothing announced any longer one has been scrubbed
[09:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> WOW! What a nice payload: http://www.aprs.org/balloons/balloon2/Balloon2-in-bottle%20022xx.JPG
[09:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> really cool
[09:02] <Herman-PB0AHX> nice pic
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[09:05] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[09:07] Action: SP9UOB_Tom is thinking about ocean bouy since 2 years, but the ocean is too far :-)
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[09:08] <lz1dev> flight a balloon, cutdown the bouy into the ocean
[09:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> buoy with WSPR and solar power
[09:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: not that easy, its Asia on the way
[09:11] <lz1dev> blacksea then ?
[09:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: i have one of my payloads already in Black Sea :-)
[09:12] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[09:12] <Hix> SP9UOB_Tom: check out #sealevel
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[09:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: this one: https://maps.google.pl/maps?q=http://sp9uob.verox.pl/balon/sp9uob-2.kml
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[09:17] <lz1dev> got the the baltic
[09:18] <lz1dev> its great, i went for swim once
[09:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: Baltic is so small, and dosent have currents
[09:20] <malgar> SP9UOB_Tom: from poland to the black sea? jet stream?
[09:20] <malgar> :D
[09:21] <x-f> at least we have sandy beaches in Baltic :)
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[09:21] <malgar> and what about a submarine?
[09:21] <malgar> :)
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[09:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[09:25] <SP9UOB_Tom> malgar: yeah, and floating
[09:25] <malgar> craag: are you there
[09:25] <SP9UOB_Tom> malgar: data transmission form submarine is difficult - must use VLF
[09:25] <malgar> ?
[09:26] <malgar> sonar
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Launch a balloon from the sub ;-)
[09:26] <malgar> wooah
[09:26] <malgar> :D
[09:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> Geoff-G8DHE_: its called missle ;-)
[09:27] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Only if rocket shaped !
[09:27] <malgar> caves!! into the caves
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[09:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok, bye for now :-)
[09:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> CUL
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[09:51] <Hix> grrrr my ISP has blocked my IP for failed SSH login, expected unlock time ~4 hours, pants!!!
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[09:56] <craag> malgar: pong
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[10:01] <malgar> craag: I was thinking about your payload on the tree.. What about an arrow shot by a bow?
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[10:03] <craag> If you could slice the string hunger games-style that would be perfect
[10:03] <craag> But anything short of that isn't going to bring it down.
[10:04] <malgar> it could move it and let it fall down
[10:05] <malgar> or break the branch
[10:05] <craag> It's in a flimsy jiffy bag though, so it would shred it well before it moved it enough
[10:05] <malgar> a water jet?
[10:05] <craag> hehe
[10:05] <craag> That would work
[10:06] <craag> But how is the real question..
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[10:06] <craag> I'm planning to trek back there in a couple of weeks
[10:07] <malgar> ask to the firefighters
[10:07] <craag> Plan B is ask the estate, they might chop the tree down for me if they're feeling generous.
[10:09] <craag> It's their land, so I'd need to get them involved anyway. (Plus there's a few 'No Trespassing' signs around)
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[10:12] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, where in Italy do you live again?
[10:13] <craag> I getting some serious high-altitude-video envy, hoping the microSD is still intact when I do get it down.
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[10:15] <Lunar_Lander> craag, of the 808?
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[10:16] <craag> Yeah, won't be amazing, but the first and only time I've flown a camera
[10:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[10:29] <gonzo_> no flights today?
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[10:33] <malgar> Lunar_Lander: here http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=46.066&mlon=11.139&zoom=8&layers=M
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[10:35] <chnsa> we will be tracking a balloon next weekend in australia using aprs as primary tracker. IS there a way we can add our balloon and chase cars aprs locations to spacenear.us ? Who can I contact ?
[10:38] <malgar> chnsa: I don't know.. anyway very interesting
[10:38] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, thanks
[10:38] <craag> chnsa: Yes that can be done. Try asking on #habhub
[10:39] <chnsa> ok thank you
[10:40] <malgar> you?
[10:41] <malgar> anyway I really want to think about a solution to avoid craag's situation
[10:42] <malgar> ideas: smooth payload could help.. but the string+ balloon could be the real problem
[10:46] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, I am in Osnabruck, north-west germany
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[10:48] <malgar> and could you receive from there the signals from UK balloons?
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[11:03] <craag> malgar: Long string between payload and parachute raises the chances of at least something being reachable.
[11:03] <craag> Mine was a pico (<2m restriction), hence that wasn't an option.
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[11:06] <Lunar_Lander> malgar, yes, once when a balloon drifted across the netherlands and germany
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[13:05] <malgar> could you help me to find the code of the busrt calculator on github?
[13:05] <malgar> burst
[13:08] <malgar> found
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[16:37] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:37] <lz1dev> hey lunar
[16:38] <chrisstubbs> afternoon
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[16:40] <Steffann> chrisstubbs, (not sure if you already found it but, ) the guy you asked about yesterday ( the one who's baloon landed near your house ) DID announce the launch on the mailing list :)
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> Yeah i found it :P
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> I never notice things on the mailing list for some reason!
[16:41] <Steffann> You don't read the messages for that bot here?
[16:41] <chrisstubbs> Yeah I get the e-mail and skim over it, must have been half asleep reading that one!
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[16:43] <Lunar_Lander> why are administrations crazy sometimes?
[16:45] <Steffann> No one should trust people like you :P
[16:45] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[16:46] <Steffann> Oh, different kind of crazy. What kind of crazy you're talking about?
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> for example
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> there is a town where there was a malfunction at the train station toilet
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> which caused the toilet to flush all the time
[16:46] <Lunar_Lander> for a year
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> and then the water bill came and said that 3.7 million liters of water had been used
[16:47] <Lunar_Lander> and no one like saw the error before
[16:48] <cm13g09> If anyone wants crazy... try looking up Vodafone, Southampton and Falcon in the same search term....
[16:48] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, haha
[16:49] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: you've found it then?
[16:49] <cm13g09> we're now about to hit week 3
[16:49] <chrisstubbs> yup, couldn't resist!
[16:49] <Lunar_Lander> what happened?
[16:50] <cm13g09> Peregrine falcon nests atop Vodafone mast, mast develops fault, Vodafone cannot repair it
[16:50] <cm13g09> due to the bird being protected
[16:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[16:50] <chrisstubbs> cm13g09, invest in some crow scarers, then tell vodafone the falcon left
[16:50] <Steffann> LOL cm13g09
[16:50] <cm13g09> chrisstubbs: lol
[16:51] <cm13g09> I thought that would generate some entertainment
[16:51] <cm13g09> the question is how much of a bill Vodafone are going to end up with
[16:51] <cm13g09> (I know they're in for a ~£200 bill from me at BEST, and it could be far worse)
[16:52] <Steffann> Things like that not only happen in the UK cm13g09
[16:52] <cm13g09> I'm sure it happens all over the place
[16:52] <Steffann> We have that issues with for example Beech martens
[16:52] <cm13g09> but this is the first time I've heard of it happening
[16:53] <Steffann> *we = dutchland
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> on the teleshop you can buy a CD with bird sounds
[16:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:54] <fsphil> I saw an owl today, lovely bird
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[16:55] <fsphil> first one I've seen outside a zoo
[16:55] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> tested out the d-lenp 430mhz yagi today and it worked pretty well!
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> worth the £17!
[16:59] <chrisstubbs> too many !!!!!!
[17:02] <fsphil> never!!!!!!!
[17:03] <fsphil> what did you get?
[17:03] <fsphil> oh yea
[17:03] <chrisstubbs> http://bit.ly/12PAHRn
[17:03] <eroomde> leaving makerfair
[17:03] <chrisstubbs> stupid n type connector on like 2 ft of cable
[17:03] <eroomde> grand tour of the M1 paert deux
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> eroomde, oo how was it?
[17:04] <eroomde> not bad
[17:04] <eroomde> lots of 3d printing and mechatronicsy things
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> worth the journey up there?
[17:05] <eroomde> yes, had fun
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> nice :)
[17:05] <eroomde> was displaying tho so might have been different as a visitor
[17:06] <fsphil> it's nice being behind the scenes sometimes
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[17:07] <cm13g09> eroomde: if it's any consolation - I'm doing a complete lap of the M25 today
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[17:08] <cm13g09> The joys of Southampton -> Essex and back
[17:09] <eroomde> that's little consolation
[17:10] <cm13g09> lol
[17:10] <cm13g09> Why? M1 worse than the M25?
[17:11] <eroomde> longer
[17:11] <eroomde> newcastle -> oxford
[17:11] <cm13g09> AH ok
[17:12] <cm13g09> fair enough
[17:12] Action: cm13g09 understands that eroomde might have a point
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[17:43] <eroomde> arko: noisebridge sounds extraordinally bad
[17:43] <eroomde> i had a few people warn me off going when i was in sf
[17:46] <jigoe> cm13g09, You live in soton?
[17:47] <jigoe> Where you by any change of the physoc launch team?
[17:47] <jigoe> Were*
[17:47] <jonsowman> jigoe: that would be mattbrejza and benoxley
[17:47] <jigoe> Cool.
[17:47] <jonsowman> both regulars in this channel
[17:47] <jigoe> Interesting.
[18:09] <Randomskk> eroomde: more like dramabridge amirite
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> cm13g09, I remember another thing
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[18:22] <Babs> Afternoon all - does anyone here have any magical video tips to take three video files and mix them into one video file with the three screens viewable side by side? I have done some stability tests on BABSHAB and it would be cool to be able to view them side by side in real time.
[18:23] <Babs> ie there might be an online video editor somewhere, I just can't find one
[18:23] <Babs> Ta
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[18:28] <eroomde> it sounds like the kind of thing ffmpeg can do with the right incantation
[18:28] <eroomde> but i'm not sure what incantation that would be
[18:28] <Babs> oops did i miss anything? got cut off by the fiance watching Big Fat Gypsy Wedding (hopefully not taking any tips)
[18:28] <eroomde> nope
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[18:29] <Babs> ffmpeg sounds like a frustrating program just by its name
[18:30] <Babs> I might not actually fly this, just retire it to the Smithsonian http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/8685754749/in/photostream
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[18:30] <Lunar_Lander> cm13g09, still on?
[18:31] <eroomde> gorgeous
[18:31] <Babs> the good thing is, the spinning gyros actually have an impact (or appear to have anyway)
[18:32] <Babs> I'll splice the vids together - I have a no counterweight, a counterweight (not spinning) and a counterweight (spinning) video.
[18:34] <mfa298> I was thinking it's the sort of thing that vlc or ffmpeg might do with the right incantation - but I'm not sure what that incantation might be
[18:35] <eroomde> that's exactly what i just said almost to the word
[18:35] <Babs> thanks mfa298. found a vid using microsoft movie maker but the group IT policy won't let it on my computer FFS
[18:35] <Babs> or FFS FFMPEG as the case may be
[18:36] <Babs> I'll have a look at an Ipad app, there is sure to be one i reckon. thanks everyone
[18:38] <eroomde> road signs here advertise 'machester hull, The SOuth'
[18:38] <eroomde> i really am too far north
[18:38] <eroomde> 'Manchester, Hull, The South'*
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[18:41] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, lol
[18:42] <eroomde> you a laughing at jokes about the geography of a foreing country, Lunar_Lander
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> well you said you are in Scotland
[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> I can imagine why they say "The South"
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[18:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening All :-)
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB_Tom
[18:47] <eroomde> i am not in scotland
[18:47] <eroomde> i have not been in scotland for about a year
[18:47] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> then you are in the north of England?
[18:48] <eroomde> or 'aboot eh yer', as they say in newcastle (where i have just been)
[18:48] <eroomde> this sounds like an untrue story but it is a true story, genuinely - a blacked up guy handcuffed to a dwarf threw up at my feet last night in the centre of the city
[18:48] <eroomde> thus curtailing my night out
[18:49] <eroomde> yes
[18:50] <cm13g09> Lunar_Lander: about to hit the road
[18:50] <cm13g09> what/s up?
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> in the same category as I was talking about was the "crash house" or "accident house"
[18:50] <Lunar_Lander> that was a house next to a road curve
[18:51] <cm13g09> ah lol
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> and since the 1970's about 30 cars impacted the garden or the house itself
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[18:51] <cm13g09> right - I better get moving
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> well not funny really
[18:51] <cm13g09> no
[18:51] <cm13g09> not at all
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:51] <cm13g09> but I need to go brave the '25
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> one car almost hit the bedroom of the owner's mother
[18:52] <cm13g09> oh dear
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:52] <cm13g09> see you all in ~3 hours
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[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> cu
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> north of england
[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> Cumbria is there right?
[18:53] <eroomde> yes, north west
[18:53] <eroomde> newscastle is north-east
[18:54] <Laurenceb_> how is england formed?
[18:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:55] <mfa298> acording to some people down here oxford is up north as well.
[18:55] <Laurenceb_> lol
[18:55] <mfa298> apparently its on the wrong side of the M3
[18:56] <daveake> and the M4
[18:56] <daveake> and the Thames
[18:56] <eroomde> i am south of the thames
[18:56] <eroomde> by about 4 meters
[18:57] <daveake> :)
[18:57] <Laurenceb_> or not...
[18:57] <daveake> I was about to withdraw that last one :)#
[18:57] <Laurenceb_> problem is the vertical displacement
[18:57] <eroomde> anyway i'm originally from chichester which is southier than southampton
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> and I know one city in Cumbria I think
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> Spadadam
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> Spadeadam
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> or so
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> where the Blue Streak rocket was tested
[18:59] <eroomde> that's not a city it's an pld rocket site
[18:59] <eroomde> old*
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:00] <eroomde> now raf
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:00] <Lunar_Lander> and I read they once considered launching to orbit from there
[19:01] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/IR5QO7n.png
[19:02] <Laurenceb_> i thing they are only maximising in one axis
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[19:56] <SpeedEvil> Laurenceb: related
[19:57] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TssbmY-GM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[19:58] <chrisstubbs> zero gravity is the best kind of mic stand
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[20:30] <arko> tweet all the things
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> hey arko
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[20:30] <arko> sup
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[20:31] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[20:31] <arko> pretty good, watching some crazy lady across the street yell at cars
[20:31] <arko> an average day in Los Angeles
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> I watched Ep. 208 of big bang theory
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> to find out what happened after howard crashed the rover
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[20:33] <arko> investigations?
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:33] <arko> court trial?
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> ah they don't find out that he had been it
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> because he wiped the harddrives
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> but on TV they say that the rover could detect traces of potential former life on mars in that slit the rover got stuck in
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> but due to the data loss, no one could be associated to that discovery
[20:34] <arko> wow
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> and howard is like
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> wait
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> let me check what he says
[20:35] <arko> that's strightup fraud
[20:35] <fsphil> has obama been notified?
[20:35] <arko> distruction of extremely valuable government property
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> "oh damned shit"
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:36] <arko> in america we call that a free ticket to gitmo
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> did the guy who got Spirit stuck get that?
[20:36] <fsphil> poor lad
[20:36] <arko> well no
[20:36] <fsphil> he'll never walk properly again
[20:36] <arko> hahaha
[20:37] <arko> mars mafia "took gentle care" of his knee caps
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[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> I don't want to be the guy who has to code curiosity for a drive
[20:39] <arko> i do
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[20:39] <arko> i'll take that job any day
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[20:39] <fsphil> heck yea
[20:39] <arko> uhh
[20:39] <fsphil> you mean you wouldn't?
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> if you mistype a character and the thing goes to waste
[20:39] <arko> driving robots on another planet
[20:39] <arko> nah, there's lots of checking
[20:39] <fsphil> simulation dude
[20:39] <BrainDamage> there are simulators
[20:39] <arko> peer review
[20:39] <arko> simulation
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> I did enough coding errors on balloon testing
[20:40] <fsphil> they don't just fire up random commands :)
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:40] <arko> then the rover does it's own checking
[20:40] <arko> makes sure you werent telling it something stupid
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:40] <arko> all sorts of safety
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> I forgot it is like a semi-KITT
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:40] <arko> yah
[20:40] <fsphil> they also use the backup rover
[20:40] <BrainDamage> it basically collects data around environment, discard it, and drives up nearest rock
[20:40] <fsphil> the one eroomde stalked
[20:40] <arko> also, if you crash it.. dont commit a felony and erase the HD
[20:40] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:41] <arko> oh Maggie
[20:41] <fsphil> one of the russian lunar rovers was crashed
[20:41] <arko> she's a nice rover
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> you mean the first attempt on which the Proton rocket exploded?
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> or the second rover which was driven into a crater and dust fell on the solar panel
[20:41] <arko> ?
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil mentioned the soviet Lunokhod rovers
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> there were two russian rovers on the moon in the 1970's
[20:42] <fsphil> they had two rovers, one had an accident
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> they had direct control
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> someone with a joystick was driving on earth
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:43] <fsphil> yep
[20:44] <fsphil> longest robotic drive on another planet, 37km
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> and I think Opportunity is close to get that world record
[20:44] <arko> it is the world record
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:45] <fsphil> worlds record
[20:45] <arko> nice
[20:45] <arko> haha
[20:45] <fsphil> I don't think I've ever seen an image from those rovers
[20:45] <fsphil> I see mention of a panorama
[20:45] <arko> http://marsrover.nasa.gov/mission/tm-opportunity/images/MERB_Sol3185_1.jpg
[20:45] <arko> of which ones?
[20:45] <fsphil> ah, thanks google
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> but I read since Curiosity landed, Opportunity wasn't moved that much
[20:45] <arko> well, distance wise no
[20:46] <arko> it reached the peak of a small hill it wanted to go to
[20:46] <fsphil> http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/l2_d01_p12m_crop.png
[20:46] <arko> ohh!
[20:46] <arko> the russian one
[20:46] <fsphil> why are these rovers not better known
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_2
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> I got to know them on the BBC Series "The Planets"
[20:47] <arko> fsphil: americans rocked it harder
[20:47] <arko> they sent people instead :P
[20:47] <fsphil> yea well actual people is better
[20:47] <arko> i agree
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> but the soviets did put up something with the E-8 program
[20:47] <arko> it blew my mind when i found out about these rovers
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> probes to send back lunar dust
[20:48] <arko> oh idea time
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> and their landing stage was used for Lunokhod
[20:48] <arko> going to make this in kerbal space program now
[20:48] <arko> :P
[20:48] <fsphil> http://koleso.topof.ru/files/6447539e6125.gif
[20:48] <arko> haha
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> and the Lunokhod without wheels were also Lunar orbiters
[20:48] <arko> google image search result?
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[20:49] <fsphil> yep
[20:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.hamradiopodcast.com/three-437-mhz-ham-radio-balloons-to-launch-from-poland/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=three-437-mhz-ham-radio-balloons-to-launch-from-poland
[20:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL :-)
[20:49] <arko> nice
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:50] <arko> man it blows my mind
[20:50] <arko> that opportunity is still running
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> on The Planets one of the guys said that E-8 was made to beat the americans on a special way
[20:51] <arko> http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/3257/1N417335707EFFBXX9P1962L0M1.JPG
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> to get lunar dust without risking lives
[20:51] <fsphil> I bet the designers and builders are chuffed too :)
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> ten years now!
[20:51] <arko> yeah, it's mentioned a lot at jpl
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[20:51] <fsphil> those panels still look nice and clean
[20:51] <arko> it's like our new slogan
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> and what did they hope for?
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> six months
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[20:51] <arko> 90 sols
[20:51] <fsphil> 60 days
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> whoa
[20:51] <arko> yeah
[20:52] <arko> it was designed for double
[20:52] <arko> 180sols
[20:52] <arko> now it's sol 3292
[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> so it runs about 20 times longer than designed
[20:52] <fsphil> not sure where I got 60
[20:52] <arko> fsphil: it's a common one
[20:52] <arko> close enough
[20:52] <arko> 2-3 months was expected
[20:52] <fsphil> the battery is li-ion
[20:52] <fsphil> I'm amazed that bit still works
[20:52] <arko> yes
[20:53] <arko> yeah, they arent regular ones though
[20:53] <arko> custom made at jpl
[20:53] <arko> funny story
[20:53] <arko> i met the battery designer at lunch once, then asked him how to get maximum battery life out of my laptop
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[20:53] <arko> he said discharge fully to 40% then recharge to top
[20:54] <arko> still do it to this day
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[20:54] <arko> the li-poly's on the MER rovers were special in that they were doped with other things, not your average lipo
[20:54] <fsphil> was gonna ask if that works, but that's kinda tricky to know
[20:54] <arko> but still, exteremely impressive
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:55] <arko> i can't believe those solar panels still work
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> I just wondered if a rover mission could "visit" the crash site of MPL
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> or the russian landers, Mars 3 and Mars 6
[20:55] <arko> so far apart
[20:55] <Lunar_Lander> but probably no because of instrument contamination risk?
[20:55] <arko> yeah that too
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> :(
[20:56] <fsphil> not much to be learned though?
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> at least MRO photographed Mars 3
[20:56] <arko> it's sad, the only rover ever capable of finding other things is curiosity, which i hope one day will gun it to find something else, but that will likely never happen
[20:56] <arko> fsphil?
[20:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:56] <arko> what do you mean?
[20:56] <fsphil> landing at a crash site
[20:57] <fsphil> or roving to a crash site
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> well
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> I would like to find out why exactly Mars 3 died after 18 seconds
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> it landed in the dust storm, yes
[20:57] <arko> im sad we didnt get to see the reckage of the skycrane
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> but what caused it to fail
[20:57] <Lunar_Lander> because of the fuel plume?
[20:58] <fsphil> the engine may not have shut down correctly
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[20:58] <fsphil> something could have gone pop
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> well
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> it was opened up
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> it was broadcasting a photo from the camera
[20:59] <arko> the dust storm probably didnt help much
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> what I mean by opened up: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_3#Mars_2_und_3
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> check on the right
[20:59] <arko> you can get damaged very easily
[21:00] <arko> oh yeah
[21:00] <arko> MRO
[21:00] <arko> oh crap! i forgot to pick up my print
[21:00] <arko> i had a high res image from MRO's HiRISE printed
[21:00] <arko> to frame and put up in my room
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> I wonder
[21:00] <arko> wow that's mind blowing
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> can russia claim the first mars landing?
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> Mars 2 crashed
[21:01] <fsphil> crashing is a kind of landing
[21:01] <arko> not really
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> Mars 3 landed but failed after 110 seconds
[21:01] <arko> :P
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> well back in 1959 it was THE thing when Lunik 2 crashed into the moon
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[21:01] <fsphil> have to say that so Beagle2 counts :)
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> because the russians were the first to send an object to another world
[21:01] <arko> hahaha
[21:01] <arko> poor beagle
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:02] <Lunar_Lander> but I like the thing that Viking 1 landed exactly 7 years after Apollo 11 :)
[21:02] <arko> i hope one day we can send people/rovers to investigate these sites
[21:02] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: they landed on venus before mars
[21:02] <arko> i'd love to see Viking 1 in a muesum on mars some day
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[21:04] <arko> or see either MER or MSL rovers again
[21:04] <arko> i'll probably be an old fart by then
[21:05] <arko> but to see them again would be an amazing feeling
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> a friend actually thought it funny that they painted the stars and stripes on Viking
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> but I always thought that was looking nice
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:06] <fsphil> I'd like to see what happened Sojourner after the main platform failed
[21:06] <fsphil> iirc it was programmed to circle it
[21:06] <arko> !!
[21:06] <arko> i didnt know that!
[21:06] <arko> really?
[21:06] <fsphil> checking now, I'm full of false info :)
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> arko, can you ask someone at MRO to point it at Pathfinder?
[21:07] <arko> aww now im sad, it probably drove around thinking "wake up daddy, please wake up, i want to do fun things!"
[21:07] <arko> :(
[21:07] <arko> Lunar_Lander: if they haven't already :P
[21:07] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/166943main_pia09105-parts-200.jpg
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> :( no chance to see the rover
[21:08] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/pia09105.html
[21:08] <arko> very unlikely
[21:09] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/166945main_pia09105-parts.jpg
[21:09] <arko> heh very cool
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[21:10] <arko> i really wish they would land something near by so we could see them again
[21:10] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/166947main_pia09105-topo-browse.jpg
[21:10] <arko> hahaha
[21:11] <arko> <---- Sojourner?
[21:11] <fsphil> "The mobile robot rover, Sojourner, may still be working but it relies on the lander to send information back to mission control. Scientists instructed it to circle the lander so that it is not too far away if contact is re-established so even now it may be trundling round and round on autopilot."
[21:11] <arko> http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/08/us/lacking-signal-mars-vehicle-is-left-to-be-roving-in-circles.html
[21:11] <fsphil> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/22010.stm
[21:11] <fsphil> knew I wasn't imagining that
[21:12] <arko> :)
[21:12] <arko> this made me happy
[21:12] <Laurenceb_> heh i remember visiting the page back in 1996/7
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[21:12] <Willdude123> Evening guys.
[21:12] <arko> evening will
[21:12] <arko> how goes it?
[21:13] <fsphil> there where quite a few big rocks around pathfinder, so I doubt it moved too much
[21:13] <arko> yeah
[21:13] <arko> no vision
[21:13] <arko> probably hit a rock in it's first foot of travel
[21:13] <arko> i like that top view
[21:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> in a book I once read that they thought of driving to "Twin Peaks"
[21:15] <Willdude123> arko, OK.
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> on the panorama I can see two hills in the distance
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> but I think there would have been no way of getting there
[21:16] <Willdude123> My granddad is going to take me to a ham radio course in the Autumn, hopefully.
[21:16] <arko> :)
[21:16] <arko> woo!
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> there is no way to drive to Twin Peaks!
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> not with the radio range or the max. speed of Sojourner
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> what is next
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> only two years left until we finally get to see Pluto
[21:23] <craag> Willdude123: :)
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[21:23] <arko> yeah
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> and then they make it a planet again because if not Clyde Tombaugh will get angry
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:23] <arko> i remember being in high school watching the launch, and thinking how old i will be when new horizon arrives
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:24] <Babs> Mars 3 was only 4650g
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> and you know what?
[21:24] <arko> times moves fast
[21:24] <arko> wow thats light
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> Dawn will beat New Horizons in terms of "reaching a dwarf planet"
[21:24] <Babs> I now have only 1050 grams to play with on BABSHAB to make that step from the upper atmosphere to Mars
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> it was?
[21:25] <Babs> according to wiki
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> here I see that Mars 3's lander was 1.2 tons and the module was 358 kg
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> ah you missed out the kg
[21:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[21:27] <Babs> I thought that weight looked suspect
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[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:27] <Babs> shouldn't be that difficult to make the leap then, any fool knows that the hard part is getting through the thick side of the atmosphere
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> yea I never got that
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> there is a monograph by Perminov he wrote for NASA
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> and he said that the lander had to be made heavy for the martian atmosphere
[21:29] <Babs> In all seriousness, I wonder what the straight line performance of the NTX-2 arduino setup is with a conventional receiving station (ie just a standard ham set up)
[21:29] <Babs> everyone on here is effectively horizon limited
[21:29] <Babs> rather than range limited
[21:32] <fsphil> in terms of speed?
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> you mean the speed of the signal?
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[21:32] <fsphil> well, data rate not speed
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:32] <fsphil> speed is rather constant :)
[21:32] <fsphil> well mostly
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:33] <fsphil> one of the many bits of physics I don't get
[21:33] <Babs> No, in terms of just how far it would have to get before the signal faded to something so small that you couldn't pick it up with a general home set up rather than something Jodrell Bank-esque
[21:34] <Willdude123> I need a good foundation license book.
[21:34] <Babs> inverse square law etc.
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, well speed of light in materials is mostly c_Mat = c/n
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> WILLdude, "Foundation licence NOW!"
[21:35] <Babs> Willdude123 - you can have mine if you want (and if I can find it)
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> with n being the index of refractivity
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> was given to me as part of the foundation course
[21:35] <Willdude123> What is it? Babs
[21:35] <Babs> *looks up* Willdude - I have the one chrisstubbs just referenced
[21:35] <fsphil> that's a good question Babs
[21:36] <Babs> Willdude123 - "Foundation licence NOW!"
[21:36] <Willdude123> Great.
[21:36] <Willdude123> Can I have it please?
[21:37] <Babs> although given your parent's questions about the people on here they might not like us sending you stuff!
[21:37] <fsphil> amazon.co.uk
[21:37] <Willdude123> I'll ask my parents about it tomorrow.
[21:37] <Babs> You are very welcome, PM me your parents address and i will send it to your folks to keep them happy
[21:38] <Babs> fsphil is also right, its only £6 or so
[21:38] <Willdude123> Babs: they were just being cautious they let me accept an FCD and a whole load of stuff from upu.
[21:38] <Willdude123> Thanks Babs.
[21:38] <Willdude123> Just for reference, what's your real name?
[21:38] <Babs> The guy who wrote it was co-incidentally the guy who taught me on my foundation course, Alan Betts
[21:39] <Babs> Richard Babington
[21:39] <Willdude123> Should I send you some money via paypal for postage?
[21:39] <Babs> I'm real http://www.nbgipe.com/directors/#richardbabington_
[21:40] <Babs> No, don't worry about that
[21:40] <fsphil> nice action photo
[21:40] <Babs> Have it gratis
[21:40] <fsphil> you look like you're about to press a really important button
[21:41] <Babs> I was trying to strike a balance between "come and invest with me" and "don't even think about messing me around in negotations"
[21:41] <Willdude123> It's cheap though.
[21:41] <fsphil> I think you hit it perfectly
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[21:42] <fsphil> for some reason unexplained to me all the contact photos on our website are greyscale
[21:42] <Babs> fsphil - that button in full http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/9/2/2/large2/22953413.jpg
[21:43] <Babs> i spend that much time in the office there is not much difference between my natural skin tone and a greyscale skintone
[21:44] Action: cm13g09 emerges.....
[21:44] <cm13g09> in Southampton
[21:45] <Babs> Just like Matt Le Tissier in 1987
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> arko, mars rovers are awesome
[21:47] <Lunar_Lander> and now good night :)
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[21:48] <arko> yes they are
[21:48] <fsphil> the RT news channel really has a grudge against the US
[21:48] <arko> aw man
[21:48] <arko> just got an email saying the phonesats burned up as expected
[21:48] <chrisstubbs> Totally OT but does anyone have any experience with Xeon processors?
[21:48] <fsphil> already??
[21:48] <arko> yeah
[21:49] <fsphil> but .. pictures
[21:49] <arko> they were suppose to last 2 weeks or so
[21:49] <arko> :(
[21:49] <arko> http://www.phonesat.org/pictures.php
[21:49] <arko> they burned up yesterday
[21:49] <arko> "our next versions launching late this year so stay tuned."
[21:49] <fsphil> yea only two pictures
[21:50] <fsphil> though a rather interesting way of transmitting them
[21:50] <arko> time to get my setup ready
[21:50] <arko> im thinking about building a dish on motors
[21:51] <qyx_> some sort of progressive wavelet or dct transform?
[21:52] <qyx_> what did they use?
[21:52] <fsphil> lots of little webp images
[21:52] <qyx_> uh, simpler solution
[21:52] <fsphil> each packet contained a full webp image, which itself was a smaller part of the larger image
[21:52] <fsphil> at various resolutions
[21:52] <fsphil> they manually reconstructed it
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[21:54] <fsphil> an interesting method but they'll need to automate it if they want to do a longer mission
[21:54] <fsphil> or more than one image per satellite
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[21:56] <qyx_> hm, actually webp uses both transforms, just reading about it on wiki
[21:56] <Babs> fsphil - in a sentence or two so as not be too onerous a request, how exactly were they using the smartphone? Presumably none of the transmission stuff, just basically as a compact and cheap all round processor, camera etc.?
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[21:58] <fsphil> one of the nasa news items on it mentioned only adding a better battery, and transmitter
[21:58] <fsphil> so it seems the phone was doing all the work
[21:58] <fsphil> though it didn't really have much to do
[22:00] <Babs> OK, that's what I thought.
[22:00] <Babs> I quite like the challenge of putting something in a defined 10x10x10 cube
[22:00] <fsphil> yea I bet it's good fun doing one of these
[22:01] <Babs> I remember we had a competition at school where you had to see what you could get in a matchbox
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[22:01] <fsphil> many matches?
[22:02] <Babs> Although there was a simple solution to that particular constraint http://www.robertdyas.co.uk/P~107247~Bryant-and-May-Long-Cooks-Matches
[22:02] <Babs> I did a crystal radio
[22:02] <nigelvh> What size of matchbox, kitchen matches, or a small box?
[22:03] <fsphil> I wanted to make a radio in my tech class but the teacher wasn't interested at all
[22:03] <Babs> nigelvh. They never did specify.
[22:03] <fsphil> later realised he probably didn't have a clue how to
[22:04] <Babs> Cue lots of moaning by the parents who hadn't thought to get their kids some long cooks matchboxes
[22:04] <nigelvh> These days a lot of the pico trackers would fit in one of the small matchboxes.
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[22:05] <Babs> Always a winner http://www.papercraftsforchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Match-box-finger-4.jpg
[22:05] <Babs> nigelvh. Yes, reading Daveakes blog about the sarental antenna being the single heaviest thing on his pico tracker is crazy
[22:06] <nigelvh> A number of the guys have very impressive pico trackers. Having whole payloads including batteries being measured in just a few grams is extremely impressive.
[22:06] <Babs> fsphil - teachers often don't like you acting outside the box (no pun intended)
[22:06] <fsphil> yep, sadly true in many cases
[22:07] <Babs> which is a shame. its teaching for passing exams sake rather than learning.
[22:07] <fsphil> pun somewhat intended
[22:07] <Babs> although that is a whole different thread
[22:07] <chrisstubbs> night all!
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[22:07] <Babs> fsphil - has anyone on here ever done the whole sky anchor thing for a long duration flight?
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> ?
[22:08] <fsphil> I'd only heard about that idea recently
[22:08] <Babs> I read about it too. Looked excellent.
[22:08] <Babs> Part of me is also keen on building my own balloon out of polythene. A mahusive one.
[22:09] <Babs> and going for some height record.
[22:09] <Babs> well - in amateur terms anyway
[22:10] Action: SpeedEvil looks at his roll of thin polythene
[22:11] <Babs> Do it speedevil. I made some big (well, 6 foot diameter) tissue paper hot air balloons when i was little, I guess its just a matter of upping the size of the template
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> it weighs about 20kg
[22:12] <Babs> and finding some slightly better way of joining the petal shapes together than pritt stick
[22:12] <Babs> speedevil. that would be one big balloon.
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> I think I'd just be going witrh a big square bag
[22:12] <Willdude123> Babs, I might just buy that book. It'd save you hassle.
[22:14] <Babs> Its no hassle Willdude123, just let me know either way. I was told to get it from the radio society though, as they do an up to date copy (some of the regs change from time to time, but the electromagnetic spectrum stays the same (unless you are in that ridiculous sci-fi series Revolution thats on at the mo)
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> or a quadroo
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> quadroon
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/273/
[22:14] <SpeedEvil> only reference you need
[22:15] <Babs> Quadroo? http://tinyurl.com/bszoepn
[22:16] <Babs> Quadroon? If you google image that the second picture is one of Atomic Kitten?
[22:16] <SpeedEvil> err, not that
[22:16] Action: SpeedEvil tries to remember the term
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[22:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[22:18] <SpeedEvil> tetroon
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tetroon&safe=off&client=tablet-android-asus-nexus&hl=en&rlz=1Y3NDUG_enGB499GB499&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PKB9UbXIKsqJhQe2woDoBQ&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=600&bih=904
[22:20] <Willdude123> Urgh.
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[22:21] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[22:21] <Babs> That is a serious one at the bottom of this page http://www.piccard.info/gore_tetroon1.htm
[22:21] <Willdude123> How much will basic ham equipment cost?
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> £100 ish
[22:22] <nigelvh> Depends on what you want to accomplish
[22:23] <nigelvh> If you just need to receive a balloon, then yes, 100 is accurate.
[22:23] <Laurenceb_> you can launch wheely bin liner hot air balloons easily
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[22:25] <Babs> wheely easily?
[22:25] <Babs> or just easily?
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> lol
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> ive done it using meths burners
[22:26] <Laurenceb_> with a 1.2GHz camera on the bottom
[22:26] <Babs> (no joke) I put my Mom in hospital with 1st degree burns using a meths burner and a hot air balloon when I was 9.
[22:28] <Babs> drippy meths burner + nylon tights = burnt legs
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[22:31] <Willdude123> Psk chatbots ftw!
[22:32] <Willdude123> There should so be some of them.
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[22:38] <Laurenceb_> Babs: oops
[22:39] <Laurenceb_> if you were 9 years only tho ... it wasn't really your fault
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> childhood - something special to be treasured. you're only below the age of criminal responsibility once.
[22:41] <Laurenceb_> hehe
[22:42] <Willdude123> What is it?
[22:43] <Willdude123> I've been a naughty boy, bitcoin gambling.
[22:43] <Laurenceb_> you're not the messiah
[22:46] <Willdude123> I noticed, Laurence
[22:46] <Willdude123> :-)
[22:48] <Willdude123> Are there any good things to read about ham radio on the internet, like practise quizzes?
[22:48] <nigelvh> I don't know about the UK setup, but there are EXCELLENT online quizzes for the US tests.
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[22:56] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[22:56] <craag> Willdude123: Some useful links: http://www.suws.org.uk/Foundation_Syllabus
[22:56] <K9JKM> Also www.rsgb.org is a starting point in the UK
[22:57] <K9JKM> RSGB even has a web shortwave receiver under the myRSGB tab
[22:58] <K9JKM> Daily ham radio news is at www. southgatearc.org
[22:58] <K9JKM> That southgatearc.org news even mentions balloon flights
[23:00] <Willdude123> I think people should start playing their music on random frequencies, and hope some ham on that frequency runs a record label.
[23:01] <K9JKM> Heh, if I tried to sing or play the trombone on the air the cops would come for public nuisance
[23:01] <K9JKM> Of course, if I could sing and play the trombone at the same time I may stand a chance?
[23:02] <K9JKM> ... sort of like being able to whistle and brush your teeth at the same time
[23:08] <K9JKM> Just got 200 km altitude on radio
[23:08] <K9JKM> ISS packet radio on 145.825 MHz
[23:09] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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