highaltitude.log.20130426

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[02:26] <Freqhex> any sonde descent experts here?
[02:27] <Dan-K2VOL> what are you interested in/
[02:27] <Freqhex> Well i track NWS sondes
[02:27] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[02:27] <Freqhex> had one this morning get close
[02:27] <Freqhex> but lost it at 1026 m asl
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> well, get close to it ASAP before the battery dies
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> and get the final coordinates
[02:28] <Freqhex> was curious if anyone knew of a way to run a prediction for a time in the past
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, if you know the descent rate
[02:28] <Freqhex> yeah, i've recovered 10 so far
[02:28] <Freqhex> i do
[02:28] <Dan-K2VOL> cool
[02:28] <Freqhex> 2.144m/sec
[02:29] <Dan-K2VOL> sure, just run the habhub predictor and put the launch at that point and the burst altitude 1m above that
[02:29] <Freqhex> i do that
[02:29] <Freqhex> but it's no good many hours later
[02:29] <Freqhex> and you can go back
[02:29] <Freqhex> can not*
[02:29] <Dan-K2VOL> hmm that's unfortunate
[02:29] <Dan-K2VOL> well, the wind data is still available,
[02:29] <Freqhex> it's 80% of the time way off anyway
[02:30] <Freqhex> regarding the last moments prediction
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> That's usually becuase the ground level winds are usually most difficult to model
[02:30] <Dan-K2VOL> anyway,
[02:31] <Freqhex> understandable
[02:32] <Freqhex> the only alternative i've ever even read of is balloontrack, but it's quite ancient, and I never had any luck with it
[02:32] <Dan-K2VOL> you can do it manually if you want, just take the winds aloft forecast for the nearest airport
[02:33] <Dan-K2VOL> and use a simple slope formula
[02:33] <Dan-K2VOL> with your vertical speed and horizontal speed between each reported wind altitude
[02:34] <Freqhex> the decoder i have doesn't tell me that
[02:34] <Dan-K2VOL> decoder?
[02:34] <Freqhex> wish i had the NWS software
[02:34] <Freqhex> yeah i decode them in flight
[02:35] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm saying to get the published wind data from NOAA
[02:35] <Freqhex> i have aor-8600 + sdr-iq + 10ft dish steerable from PC + 30dbLNA
[02:36] <Dan-K2VOL> nice, but that's not given you any data
[02:36] <Freqhex> yeah didn't read that correctly
[02:36] <Dan-K2VOL> when was it that you lost it?
[02:36] <Freqhex> this morning
[02:36] <Dan-K2VOL> time UTC?
[02:37] <nigelvh> Freqhex, what software do you use to decode it?
[02:37] <Freqhex> 14:42:31
[02:38] <Freqhex> just a decoder some private person wrote for me to do it
[02:38] <Dan-K2VOL> location?
[02:38] <Dan-K2VOL> would be nice if you could share that open source :-)
[02:38] <Freqhex> 32.8311282 -94.7248503
[02:39] <Freqhex> i'll have to ask
[02:39] <Freqhex> 1026 meters
[02:39] <Dan-K2VOL> well I'll be darned. You're in Texas
[02:39] <Dan-K2VOL> You've got a world of hurt coming for balloons in september, if you let your senators pass HB 912
[02:40] <Dan-K2VOL> even NWS balloons will be illegal
[02:40] <Freqhex> or 3366 ft
[02:40] <Freqhex> first i've heard of it
[02:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Oh it's been pretty quiet, it's a UAV drone privacy law that as an absurdly broad definition of "imaging" that includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum
[02:41] <nigelvh> How would outlawing image capture make NWS balloons illegal?
[02:41] <Dan-K2VOL> Temperature
[02:41] <Dan-K2VOL> as well as gas sensors (odors are illegal to capture too)
[02:42] <nigelvh> Hmm. I think that's a rather broad interpretation, but I will admit I wouldn't put it past our government to interpret it that wya.
[02:42] <nigelvh> way*
[02:42] <Dan-K2VOL> Nigel, aren't you in Oregon?
[02:42] <nigelvh> Washinton
[02:42] <nigelvh> Washington*
[02:42] <nigelvh> (If I could spell this evening...)
[02:43] <Dan-K2VOL> Ah, well Oregon is trying a similar law. You should really check your state legislation - now is the time to attend the usually one public comment session before all these states pass really crappy laws
[02:43] <Dan-K2VOL> I would have come to Texas if they'd posted any notice online of the public hearing
[02:44] <nigelvh> Hmmm
[02:45] <heathkid> too many laws... they need to stop making new ones and start enforcing the existing ones!
[02:45] <Dan-K2VOL> heh
[02:45] <Dan-K2VOL> Heathkid, are you going to the academic balloon conference/
[02:45] <heathkid> never heard of it
[02:45] <heathkid> I'm going to Dayton
[02:46] <Freqhex> well thanks anyways
[02:46] <heathkid> and plan a launch there
[02:46] <Freqhex> bye
[02:46] <Dan-K2VOL> freqhex I'm looking for your data
[02:46] <Freqhex> alright
[02:49] <Freqhex> all the ones i got are sippican m2a
[02:49] <Dan-K2VOL> huh?
[02:49] <Freqhex> and just a week ago
[02:49] <Freqhex> they changed
[02:49] <Freqhex> huh? the sondes that i have recovered... are lockheed martin mark 2a's...
[02:50] <Freqhex> AKA Sippican
[02:50] <Freqhex> now they are flying a new one, so that's why i wanted to get this one
[02:50] <Freqhex> but winds are changing, and this one snuck in
[02:51] <Dan-K2VOL> well, for a start you could simply plot the last speed and descent rate
[02:51] <nigelvh> That ought to get you pretty close.
[02:51] <nigelvh> Especially if you can get close and DF
[02:51] <Dan-K2VOL> There are archives of the GFS models that you can view with a text editor, but I'm not finding the published data on the web for historic winds that I usually find
[02:51] <Freqhex> it's battery has been dead a long time by now
[02:52] <Dan-K2VOL> it's usually easier to find when it's not dead yet :-)
[02:52] <Freqhex> i don't know the speed only descent rate
[02:52] <Freqhex> i know
[02:52] <Dan-K2VOL> you know the speed from the last to position reports
[02:52] <Freqhex> but 90ft pine trees usually prohibit that :)
[02:52] <Dan-K2VOL> two
[02:52] <Freqhex> -2.144m/s
[02:53] <Dan-K2VOL> horizontal speed
[02:53] <Freqhex> 019236DB 14:42:30.995 10 32.8311978 -94.7247944 1028 -5.177 -7.631 -2.330 -2.124 241.1 2.7
[02:53] <Freqhex> 019236DC 14:42:31.993 11 32.8311282 -94.7248503 1026 -5.218 -7.712 -2.329 -2.144 241.1 2.7
[02:53] <Freqhex> but i don't know what those other numbers are
[02:53] <Freqhex> last three are
[02:53] <Dan-K2VOL> use the lat/lon and time stamp of each report to determine horizontal distance, time and therefore velocity
[02:53] <Freqhex> descent rate azimuth elv
[02:53] <Dan-K2VOL> and direction
[02:54] <Freqhex> ok
[02:55] <Freqhex> habhub had it landing in a big pasture, but i think it must have went further
[02:55] <Dan-K2VOL> why do you think that
[02:55] <Freqhex> i looked
[02:56] <Freqhex> it's not there
[02:56] <Freqhex> :P
[02:56] <Dan-K2VOL> also there's this: http://www.worldweatheronline.com/premium-weather.aspx?menu=historical
[02:57] <Dan-K2VOL> here was the ground weather for today there: http://www.worldweatheronline.com/v2/weather.aspx?q=32.8311282,-94.7248503&day=21
[03:01] <Dan-K2VOL> Interesting, this tool looks like it might allow you to explore the actual weather historical dataset files: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/mcidas/software/v/
[03:01] <Dan-K2VOL> free too
[03:06] <nigelvh> Freqhex, I'm having a hard time finding much real data on if the sondes are transmitting at 403MHz or at 1.6GHz. What's your experience?
[03:07] <Freqhex> 1680
[03:07] <Freqhex> lol 400
[03:07] <Freqhex> .eu only
[03:07] <Freqhex> 401-405
[03:07] <nigelvh> There's a good bit of conflicting info, and not really a lot available for listening in the US.
[03:08] <Freqhex> every once in awhile some hamsmaybe launch them
[03:08] <Freqhex> but usually two meter aprs
[03:08] <Freqhex> or door channel ones
[03:08] <nigelvh> Do you have any recommended resources for learning more about recieving them?
[03:08] <Freqhex> doorbell*
[03:08] <Freqhex> I got into this as a side hobby
[03:08] <Freqhex> i track satellites
[03:09] <Freqhex> and monitor GEO's
[03:09] <Dan-K2VOL> oh freqhex you might be interested in two things
[03:09] <Freqhex> all i was taught i learned in uhf-satcom
[03:09] <Dan-K2VOL> http://spaceappschallenge.org/project/falling-star-finder/
[03:09] <Freqhex> #hearsat
[03:09] <nigelvh> I used to get the APT data from the POES satellites, but haven't listed for GOES data.
[03:09] <Dan-K2VOL> which was a proposal I made for crudely getting crowdsourced sat observations automatically
[03:10] <Freqhex> but i've left that communityso
[03:10] <Dan-K2VOL> http://www.flickr.com/photos/travisgoodspeed/
[03:10] <Freqhex> i came across this channel noted somewhere
[03:11] <Freqhex> so i figured maybe someone could help me revisit some of the ones i lost
[03:11] <Freqhex> would have about 20+ by now
[03:11] <arko> wait woah
[03:11] <Dan-K2VOL> well, start by doing the method I mentioned
[03:11] <arko> ???
[03:11] <arko> you guys know travis too?
[03:12] <Freqhex> ialright
[03:12] <Dan-K2VOL> oh sure, I went to college with him and regularly do projects with him
[03:12] <arko> waaaaa
[03:12] <Dan-K2VOL> lol
[03:12] <arko> he knows me as well, not bff's but we have grabbed drinks when he's been in LA
[03:12] <arko> cool guy
[03:12] <Dan-K2VOL> cool, how did you two meet up
[03:12] <arko> very smart
[03:12] <Dan-K2VOL> sure is
[03:13] <arko> defcon
[03:13] <arko> he knows my friend Vyrus
[03:13] <Dan-K2VOL> he worked a bit on my first balloon projects at the University of Tennesse back in 2003
[03:13] <arko> Vyrus introduced me after i did some stuff with the iClickr
[03:13] <arko> ha!
[03:13] <arko> cool :)
[03:14] <arko> damn dude
[03:14] <arko> small world
[03:14] <Dan-K2VOL> I've found that interesting people tend to run into eachother, there's not all that many out there ;-)
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[03:15] <arko> sadly so
[03:15] <arko> man this Lband dish is epic
[03:16] <Dan-K2VOL> haha yeah, he was coding that sweep test remotely while he was up here visiting me last weekend
[03:16] <arko> :)
[03:16] <Dan-K2VOL> hewanted to get that nasa space apps contest to crowdsource satellite orbit processing for him ;-)
[03:16] <arko> ohh smart
[03:17] <arko> is he going to do it?
[03:17] <Dan-K2VOL> nah
[03:17] <arko> awww
[03:17] <Dan-K2VOL> we didn't find any devs interested
[03:17] <arko> aw
[03:17] <Dan-K2VOL> but I submitted the proposal anyway, as it's pretty groundbreaking to use mobile phones forautomatic all-sky cam meteor and sat spotting
[03:18] <Dan-K2VOL> using unattended longexposures
[03:18] <arko> does it actually show up?
[03:18] <Dan-K2VOL> yes, for phones that can do at least 8 to 30s exposures
[03:18] <arko> neat!
[03:19] <Dan-K2VOL> need a dev to make the app though I've just done the technical research on the feasibility
[03:19] <Dan-K2VOL> all open source
[03:19] <arko> android dev aint too bad
[03:19] <Dan-K2VOL> you get a partner to go observe a few hundred KM away, and the phones guide to you point them to the same sky area
[03:19] <arko> at least you dont have to learn objective c
[03:20] <arko> i'll beta test if you do it, gladly
[03:20] <Dan-K2VOL> ha, I'm not learning Java or obj c any time soon
[03:20] <Dan-K2VOL> thnks for offeringthough
[03:20] <Dan-K2VOL> darn it looks like my spacebar is going out
[03:22] <Dan-K2VOL> well Im heading tobed
[03:22] <Dan-K2VOL> night all
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[05:48] <eroomde> morn
[05:49] <nigelvh> Evening
[05:50] <eroomde> zulu fels
[05:51] <nigelvh> Pacific time is where it's at for limited definitions of "it"
[05:57] <arko> mornings
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[06:15] <Upu> morning
[06:17] <arko> morning Upu
[06:18] <eroomde> morning Upu
[06:19] <x-f> morning Upu
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[06:19] <Upu> holiday time off to the Lakes for a week yay
[06:20] <arko> that sounds delightful
[06:20] <x-f> where is the Lakes?
[06:20] <Upu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_District_National_Park
[06:21] <Upu> we got a cottage
[06:24] <arko> ohhh
[06:24] <arko> the north
[06:24] <arko> you guys keep callin it the dark north, looks bright to me http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Keswick_Panorama_-_Oct_2009.jpg
[06:24] <arko> :P
[06:25] <Upu> no dark north is Scotland
[06:25] <arko> SCOTLAND
[06:26] <arko> hmm, i wonder how the housing prices are
[06:27] <arko> houses in my town average $650,000
[06:27] <Upu> in Scotland ?
[06:27] <arko> 420521 pounds
[06:27] <Upu> I would say not as much as that
[06:27] <arko> nah, that lake
[06:27] <Upu> its fully of cranky Scots people you see
[06:27] <Upu> oh
[06:27] <arko> i expect London to be one of the most expensive
[06:28] <Upu> Yep
[06:28] <eroomde> yep
[06:29] <arko> yep
[06:29] <eroomde> average price for a 1 bedroom house is about $1.2M in central london
[06:29] <eroomde> ~$2M for 2 bedrooms
[06:30] <arko> wow
[06:30] <arko> brb, crossing off living in london off my list
[06:30] <arko> whats a house in cambridge average?
[06:30] <eroomde> it's like palo alto but much much bigger
[06:30] <eroomde> cambridge is cheaper
[06:30] <arko> Los Gatos more like it!
[06:31] <eroomde> but i mean people don;t live in super central london
[06:31] <eroomde> they live in zone 2
[06:31] <eroomde> which is less painful, though still painfu;
[06:32] <arko> zone 2? some creative naming they got
[06:32] <Upu> zone 2 = habitable
[06:32] <arko> "lets not hang out with those zone 3 folks, they are bad news" -zone 2 folks
[06:33] <arko> average house in cambridge is $520,285
[06:33] <arko> yikes
[06:33] <arko> not much cheaper than here
[06:36] <Upu> try center of Middlesbrough :)
[06:36] <fsphil> Stoke
[06:36] <fsphil> they've got some cheap houses :)
[06:41] <kokey> property around leicestershire is a right bargain
[06:41] <kokey> that said, sunderland is cheaper but that's going too far
[06:41] <kokey> yeah some apartments with a view in stoke
[06:41] <kokey> and entertaining neighbours
[06:42] <arko> my friend just moved to sunderland
[06:42] <arko> lots of grey
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[07:42] <arko> I should sleep, but i found a cool publication on anti blur
[07:45] <arko> www.nowozin.net/sebastian/papers/schmidt2013deblurring.pdf
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[07:47] <arko> Never thought of it this way, the information is not lost, rather its bled into neighboring pixels
[07:49] <arko> eroomde: bayes is up in this ^^
[07:52] <eroomde> yes indeed
[07:53] <eroomde> that's why you want a bit of blur on things like star cameras
[07:53] <eroomde> and the point spread function of the elns usually helps give it you - but it means you can get sub-pixel resultion on the estimate of the star position
[07:53] <eroomde> whereas if the lens was perfect you would only get the star light focussed on one single pixel and have no idea where it is within that pixel
[07:55] <arko> Woah!
[07:55] <arko> Didnt know about that
[07:55] <arko> Makes perfect sense
[07:56] <costyn> that is pretty cool
[07:58] <arko> Hmm that couldnapply to the conversation earlier with dan about the sat tracker with phones
[07:58] <arko> Interesting
[07:58] <griffonbot> Received email: NickB "[UKHAS] Falcon - Launch Annauncement (25th of May)"
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[07:59] <arko> Sometimes notation can be annoying
[08:00] <arko> Maths people love it
[08:00] <griffonbot> Received email: NickB "[UKHAS] Falcon - Launch announcement (25th of May)"
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[08:10] <eroomde> information theory is just awesome
[08:11] <eroomde> arko: get a copy of Mackay's textbook
[08:11] <eroomde> for each room
[08:11] <arko> Link?
[08:12] <eroomde> it's, for me, the sort of master textbook on all info theory, covering the basis of all of Modern ML techniques, info theory and information in noisy channels (shannon etc) and FEC (mackay invented LDPC codes which are the best error correcting codes atm) and infernece (it's the best info and treatment of montecarlo techniques i've ever read)
[08:13] <eroomde> http://www.amazon.com/Information-Theory-Inference-Learning-Algorithms/dp/0521642981
[08:13] <eroomde> pdf free on his website too
[08:13] <eroomde> but it's a very well made book
[08:13] <eroomde> woah expensive
[08:13] <eroomde> in amazon.com
[08:13] <eroomde> ok don;t buy a copy just yet
[08:14] <eroomde> OH MY GOD
[08:14] <eroomde> the video lectures are up!?
[08:14] <eroomde> arko: !!!
[08:14] <eroomde> watch these!
[08:14] <eroomde> this is like the best course i took at cam
[08:14] <eroomde> the man is a wonderful lecturer
[08:14] <eroomde> this is incredible news
[08:14] <eroomde> http://videolectures.net/course_information_theory_pattern_recognition/
[08:15] <eroomde> just watch these
[08:15] <jonsowman> ooh nice
[08:15] <arko> Done
[08:15] <arko> Thank you :)
[08:15] <eroomde> it's not the whole book if it's the same as the course i took, it's just a random walk through topics in it
[08:15] <eroomde> but it was so so fabulous
[08:15] <jonsowman> the book was so useful for F6
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[08:16] <eroomde> and his proof of the noisy channel coding theorem is good
[08:16] <eroomde> omg i am so watching these
[08:16] <jonsowman> same
[08:16] <jonsowman> but not until exams are over
[08:16] Action: fsphil bookmarks
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[08:16] <arko> Damn flash required
[08:16] <fsphil> will these require knowledge of squiggly maths?
[08:16] <arko> Emailing myself for tomorrow morning
[08:17] <eroomde> fsphil: well perhaps not so much
[08:17] <eroomde> he explains it so well
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[08:17] <eroomde> i highly highly recommend you watch them
[08:17] <eroomde> you should know what the log of a number is
[08:17] <eroomde> that's about it
[08:18] <eroomde> as that's used to define entropy which a lot of the rest is based on
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[08:19] <eroomde> this is such good news
[08:19] <eroomde> i am going to enjoy rewatching these
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[08:24] <eroomde> fsphil: srsly watch this. you've done RS coding on habs. you pass the prereqs :D
[08:26] <jcoxon> morning
[08:27] Nick change: Brace_ -> Brace
[08:27] <number10> morning
[08:32] <mattbrejza> how much would it usually cost to fedex something asap from the us?
[08:32] <mattbrejza> either way woo TI
[08:33] <eroomde> how big?
[08:33] <fsphil> planning to eroomde, though it won't be today. my list of annoying things to do is vast
[08:33] <eroomde> there are silly jokes too
[08:33] <fsphil> my kind of jokes
[08:34] <eroomde> 'we have an answer thanks to Mr. Binomial, the inventor of the distribution that bears his name'
[08:34] <arko> Sorry, i stepped away and discovered nutella in the kitchen
[08:35] <fsphil> nutella. sounds horrible yet looks nice
[08:36] <mattbrejza> not very, just has a few ICs
[08:36] <arko> Never had it?
[08:36] <eroomde> £25?
[08:36] <fsphil> nope
[08:36] <arko> :o
[08:36] <mattbrejza> hmm not too bad then
[08:36] <arko> eroomde lol mr binomial
[08:37] <eroomde> they can be not bad yep, if the sender has a decent arrangement with fedex
[08:37] <eroomde> presumably someone like TI does
[08:37] <mattbrejza> still they do much more than they need to for their customers
[08:37] <arko> Ti free samples are the best
[08:37] <fsphil> I always feel guilty ordering free samples
[08:37] <mattbrejza> and despite maxim/linear dont have a tracking number, still cant complain :P
[08:38] <fsphil> doesn't stop me though
[08:38] <arko> Lol
[08:38] <arko> Me too
[08:38] <mattbrejza> if i ever make a website, i feel i should put their logos in the sponsors bit at the bottom
[08:38] <arko> Sometimes i ask friends to order me some if i need more than 3
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[08:38] <arko> Im going to hell
[08:39] <eroomde> when i got to cambridge i tried to set up samples accounts to my college
[08:39] <mattbrejza> TI probably wont mind when you, as an engineer, decide to use their IC, and then order 10k
[08:39] <eroomde> every single manufacturer said 'this address already has an account' etc
[08:39] <eroomde> turns out henry, cusf founder and in the year above me, had got a samplea account with almost all of the 30 colleges in the first week of his first term
[08:40] <arko> Hahahaha
[08:40] <mattbrejza> cant you just add 'room 2a', therefore being a slightly different address?
[08:40] <eroomde> well it all gets delivered to the porters lodge
[08:40] <mattbrejza> is a samples account anything more special?
[08:42] <arko> "We're sorry, the department of Psychology at University of Cambridge has already been registered"
[08:42] <eroomde> yep
[08:46] <arko> Sleep time, night yall
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[09:37] <HixWork> Crap! my two dogs have had a bundle and one has ruptured the other ones eye and torn the cornea. Poor thing is in agony and the vets are doing the usual lets not really treat but sell a lot of products before fixing her
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[09:45] <fsphil> :(
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[09:50] <HixWork> Poor thing could lose her eye. They seem more iinterested in selling ointments and "wait and see what happens" than doing a full assesment of the eye
[09:50] <HixWork> If vets treated humans, I think most would be struck off
[09:53] <DrLuke> go to a different vet?
[09:53] <Gadget-Mac> Morning HA Folk
[09:54] <gonzo___> or just struck
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[10:01] <SpeedEvil> HixServer: question is - are you willing to pay the equivalent or what human treatment would cos
[10:07] <HixWork> It's not a matter of payment, its the fact that they won't properly ascess and treat until they've sold a few potions and lotions first
[10:09] <SpeedEvil> it,s also possible they are not competant to treat
[10:10] <SpeedEvil> unless actual opthalmic surgery is required - or removal of the eye - creams and antibiotics are probably about it
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> I question if many vets can do opthalmic surgery.
[10:11] <HixWork> in my experience of vets, a lot aren't.
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> consider that your vet gets similar training to your go
[10:11] <HixWork> There is a specialst opthalmic surgery in london, but they won't refer yet
[10:11] <SpeedEvil> gp
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> as I understand it' you can just self refer if you're paying
[10:12] <SpeedEvil> for animals at least
[10:12] <HixWork> hmm, will have to look
[10:12] <HixWork> cheers
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[10:57] <kokey> has someone got an email address or something for SamSilver?
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[11:49] <cuddykid> anyone from norway here?
[11:50] <Laurenceb> zyp is
[11:50] <zyp> yep
[11:51] <cuddykid> excellent
[11:51] <cuddykid> zyp: what are the procedures for getting permission to launch in norway?
[11:52] <zyp> I don't think I can answer that, I've never done one
[11:52] <cuddykid> ah ok, know anyone who has?
[11:52] <zyp> unfortunately not
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its strange you have to have permission to launch but not to land - even when going into another country ... Yet you can walk out of one country with minimum fuss but can't walk into another without checking passport etc....
[11:58] <gonzo_> suspect if it were a controled aircraft, the situation would be the same
[11:58] <gonzo_> (Same as walking)
[11:58] <zyp> cuddykid, I found some norwegian forum threads about getting permission, so I'll read through them and get back to you in a few minutes
[11:58] <cuddykid> cheers zyp!
[11:58] <gonzo_> though hopefulle when walking, you do not hit a length of concrete at 80mph!
[12:02] <zyp> cuddykid, looks like you have to contact avinor
[12:02] <zyp> https://www.ippc.no/ippc/info_nof.jsp?lang=english <- here's contact info for their notam office
[12:03] <cuddykid> thanks :)
[12:04] <zyp> cuddykid, where are you planning to launch from?
[12:05] <cuddykid> zyp: Uggdal
[12:05] <zyp> where is that? :p
[12:05] <mattbrejza> west of oslo on the coast
[12:06] <cuddykid> yeah - it's going to be just off the coast
[12:06] <cuddykid> actually launching from a boat
[12:07] <zyp> hmm, the only Uggdal I find on google maps is on the west cost south of Bergen?
[12:07] <zyp> west coast*
[12:10] <zyp> well, I guess it can be described as «west of oslo on the coast»
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[12:14] <kokey> you must have a pile of UK picos in norway
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[12:52] <WILLdude> Yoyoyo.
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[13:00] <eroomde> yo WILLdude
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[13:02] <WILLdude> How's stuff Ed?
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[14:01] <eroomde> WILLdude: sorry for the delay, was doing wiring
[14:01] <eroomde> coffee break right now
[14:01] <eroomde> i am well, about to head up to the maker faire in newcastle
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[14:25] <fsphil> nice
[14:25] <fsphil> or Champion, as the locals might say
[14:28] <russss> eroomde: we're meeting in the pub tonight if you want to come by
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[14:54] <HixWork> Looks like I have to start lirning VBA
[14:54] <HixWork> or learning, whatever
[14:55] <HixWork> it looks horrible
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[15:42] <arko> eroomde: weird, my friend just posted pictures of himself at the Newcastle railway station
[15:43] <arko> Wonder how makerfaires are out there
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[15:48] <Laurenceb> http://www.makerfaireuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/JR-domesday41-e1362149038606.jpg
[15:48] <Laurenceb> haha
[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://tinyurl.com/cfd9w6o
[15:50] <Laurenceb> ive still got a model B... somewhere
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[15:59] <eroomde> russss: where and when?
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[15:59] <eroomde> was wiring late here so we won;'t get there till about 9
[15:59] <eroomde> infact
[15:59] <russss> https://twitter.com/ukhackspaces/status/327792391656439808
[16:00] <eroomde> ah right thanks. ignore pm then :)
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[16:33] <arko> ah man i need coffee
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[16:34] <chrisstubbs> my chineese yagi came
[16:34] <Laurenceb> that sounds wrong
[16:34] <Laurenceb> *wong
[16:36] <chrisstubbs> my chinese yagi was delivered
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[16:37] <chrisstubbs> erm, aren't the elements on a yagi supposed to be different lengths?
[16:38] <Laurenceb> i lolled
[16:38] <craag> chrisstubbs: The reflector should be longer than the driven element, the directors slightly shorter.
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> ok but the directors can be the same length?
[16:39] <craag> Some cheap designs have all the directors the same size
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> yup sounds about right
[16:39] <craag> Yeah, as long as they are shorter than the driven, they'll work.
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> had to redrill the holes for the driven element and reform all the brackers
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> and the thing was delivered in a bannana shape
[16:39] <chrisstubbs> china <3
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[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[17:04] <chrisstubbs> hey Lunar_Lander
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[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs
[17:10] <eroomde> and we're finally off
[17:10] <eroomde> might get there by 11....
[17:16] <eroomde> test
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[17:20] <eroomde> ls
[17:21] <nigelvh> .
[17:21] <nigelvh> ..
[17:21] <nigelvh> test.txt
[17:22] <Laurenceb> pron
[17:23] <nigelvh> this_really_is_my_home_dir_signed_eroomde.txt
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[17:27] <arko> rm -rf /
[17:27] <arko> oops
[17:27] <craag> sudo !!
[17:27] <arko> psshh
[17:28] <arko> i sudo su'd it before
[17:28] <nigelvh> eroomde runs around as root
[17:28] <arko> real shell gangstas always run root
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:29] <eroomde> was on a dodgy pipe
[17:29] <eroomde> thought it had broken
[17:29] <eroomde> wasn't sure where i was
[17:30] <nigelvh> Now you know
[17:30] <eroomde> yes
[17:30] <nigelvh> We were glad to help
[17:30] <nigelvh> Also you've apparently been dubbed a "real shell gansta" by arko.
[17:31] <arko> eroomde is a real gangsta in general
[17:31] <arko> eroomde: take pictures of the fair
[17:31] <arko> fare*
[17:31] <arko> whatever the proper spelling is
[17:35] <eroomde> willdo tho not camera batt charger
[17:35] <eroomde> a fail
[17:35] <eroomde> faire*
[17:37] <arko> are you there?
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[17:41] <eroomde> no i am in a car arko
[17:41] <eroomde> well a campervan in milton keyenes
[17:41] <eroomde> about to join the m1 for a long (by england standards) drive into the dark north
[17:42] <arko> damn wow
[17:42] <arko> to Newcastle?
[17:42] <arko> i assume you are staying the weekend
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[17:43] <arko> oh what, thats only like a 4 hour drive
[17:44] <eroomde> tha's a long drive here
[17:45] <eroomde> yes staying till sunday eve
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[17:45] <arko> nice
[17:46] <arko> it's funny
[17:46] <arko> a close friend of mine who moved to Sunderland is somewhere around that area right now
[17:47] <eroomde> i got some wierd-ass eigenvalues here that still give me plausaible results despite looking wierd. i do not like
[17:47] <arko> Alnwick Castle or something
[17:47] <arko> eigenvalues for what?
[17:47] <eroomde> sunderland is a grey place
[17:47] <eroomde> the covarience matrix of the spread of positions
[17:47] <arko> gps?
[17:47] <eroomde> yus
[17:47] <arko> nice
[17:47] <eroomde> thought i'd have a hack while driving
[17:48] <eroomde> i am not driving, i should add
[17:48] <arko> ok
[17:48] <eroomde> am beoing driven
[17:48] <arko> was about to ask
[17:48] <arko> code+driving
[17:48] <arko> are the others in the caravan going to the makerfaire?
[17:49] <arko> found my dream home http://i.imgur.com/ktornGL.jpg
[17:49] <eroomde> i hope so
[17:49] <eroomde> otherwise they'd be in the wrong campervan
[17:49] <eroomde> wow that's nice
[17:49] <eroomde> where is it?
[17:49] <arko> i'd just get rid of that flower chandelier
[17:49] <arko> no idea
[17:49] <arko> california i believe
[17:50] <arko> i like the dinosaur on the shelf
[17:50] <arko> i'd just missing the rocket engine in the living room
[17:50] <arko> im totally restoring one
[17:50] <arko> and it will live in my living room
[17:51] <eroomde> make a chendelier out of it
[17:51] <arko> ^^^^^
[17:51] <arko> BOM
[17:51] <arko> boom
[17:51] <arko> thats it
[17:51] <arko> brilliant
[17:51] <arko> but it
[17:51] <eroomde> for our office christmas party use used an old nozzle as a vase for flowers
[17:51] <arko> but it's california, so earthquakes can ruin that
[17:51] <eroomde> and a conical flask from the propellent lab as another vase
[17:51] <arko> hahaha
[17:51] <arko> http://www.nortonsalesinc.com/pics/rocketry/rktmdl4.jpg
[17:51] <arko> that would look great in the living room, minus the meth addict looking chicken
[17:51] <arko> chick*
[17:52] <arko> too bad that costs a like half a mil
[17:52] <eroomde> cluckstal meth
[17:53] <arko> coocoo got into a bad habit.. that poor chicken
[17:53] <arko> eroomde: the pun fed agents are after you now
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[17:55] <eroomde> they'll never eggstract a confession
[17:57] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[17:57] <daveake> You'll soon be up in front of the beak
[17:58] <arko> they will scramble to figure you out
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> arko,
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> in germany there is a federal agency to test materials
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> and they test new year's fireworks
[17:58] <Lunar_Lander> and their acronym is BAM
[18:00] <arko> bad ass mofo?
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> Bundesanstalt für Materialforschung
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> (Federal Agency for Material Research)
[18:02] <eroomde> figured out why my eigenvalues were wack
[18:02] <eroomde> converted from degrees to meters with a factor that was out by an order of magnitude
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[18:03] <eroomde> and did the pca on the local tangential reference frame using the order of magnitude out conversion factor. so all my eigvalues were tiny, leading to it printing standasrd deviations of like 6mm. it's good but not that good.
[18:04] <arko> wait what
[18:05] <arko> milimeters?
[18:05] <arko> oh that makes sense now
[18:06] <arko> so what did you do, increase the precision of the conversion?
[18:06] <eroomde> make the factor right
[18:06] <eroomde> it was out by like 100
[18:06] <arko> ohh!
[18:06] <eroomde> LAT_DEG2M = xxxxx
[18:06] <eroomde> where xxxxx was out
[18:06] <arko> got it
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[18:07] <arko> i read it like "converted from degrees to meters off by a factor that was out by an order of magnitude
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[18:07] <arko> derp
[18:07] <arko> cool
[18:07] <eroomde> LON_DEG2M=LAT_DEG2M*cos(lon)
[18:07] <eroomde> and that is how you make python look likee fortran
[18:07] <arko> :P
[18:08] <eroomde> I@M SHOUTING BECAUSE I@M SO FAST AT DOING NUMERICS
[18:08] <arko> WOOOOOO
[18:09] <nigelvh> MATH!!!
[18:09] <eroomde> we had a customer come and ask us if we could supply our code in fortran
[18:09] <arko> lol
[18:09] <eroomde> my boss said, diplomatically, 'well, you see i think there's a time and a place for fortran.
[18:09] <cuddykid> a customer no more
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[18:09] <eroomde>
[18:10] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[18:10] <arko> "sorry, we only have it available in Fortress"
[18:10] <arko> troll back
[18:10] <eroomde> ' and that's between 1970 and 1978, and anywhere but here'
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[18:14] <arko> hehe
[18:18] <arko> damn, looks like im gonna need a 70cm preamp/filter
[18:18] <eroomde> wyzat?
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[18:19] <arko> for the cubesat's flying over
[18:19] <arko> my station hasn't picked up anything
[18:19] <arko> very weak
[18:21] <nigelvh> Yeah, I've heard it a few times but no decodes.
[18:21] <fsphil> any chance of receiving those with a colinear?
[18:22] <arko> oh totally
[18:22] <arko> i picked up packets with the diamond mr77
[18:22] <arko> but that was with my ham rig
[18:22] <arko> my sdr was crappy
[18:22] <arko> you can see the signal but it's very weak
[18:23] <mfa298> for the phonesat I've heard it on with a homemade 2m dipole and the TS-2000
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> Germany stinks
[18:23] <mfa298> not had a decode but I either didn't do anything for the doppler shift (or I had the antenna in the wrong socket)
[18:23] <Lunar_Lander> USA and UK open up their internet to unlimited Gigabit speeds
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> and we will get the network choke if politics will do nothing
[18:24] <fsphil> I wish Lunar_Lander
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[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> telekom claims people wear the cables so much they have to introduce limits
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[18:24] <arko> yeah i want to use the sdr because i can set a doppler shift
[18:24] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[18:24] <fsphil> it's a long way from a gigabit in most places in the UK
[18:24] <cuddykid> back in worcs I get 2mbps MAX lol
[18:24] <nigelvh> I wish gigabit were more widespread, they're bringing it to cities I don't care about. I want it at my house TODAY.
[18:24] <fsphil> howdy SP9UOB_Tom
[18:24] <arko> how well do these sdr's work with with the preamp/filter?
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> if someone with a 16 MBit line uses 75 GB, he will be slowed to 384 KBit for the rest of the month
[18:24] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[18:25] <Babs> What do you decode the phone sat signal through guys ?
[18:25] <Babs> Sorry, was just lurking
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> no shit
[18:25] <cuddykid> upload is a measly 0.3mbps& horrific in this 'cloud' age
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> back to stone age!
[18:25] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: same here
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> what?
[18:25] <cuddykid> google fiber looks awesome
[18:25] <fsphil> 75 GB/month cap is not uncommon
[18:25] <mfa298> arko looking at the SAW filter on the habamp the phonesat freq is right on the edge of it's pass filter
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> it is total crap
[18:25] <fsphil> it is
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> it endangers internet neutrality
[18:25] <fsphil> my line actually has a worse cap than that
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> because
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> if someone uses Telekom TV, that is not limited
[18:26] <mfa298> although a pure pre-amp might help (if there's not local stuff to overload it)
[18:26] <fsphil> but it's really fast. not a good mix :)
[18:26] <arko> hmm
[18:26] <fsphil> I could probably use my entire monthly quota in a day
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[18:26] <arko> wonder if there are better preamps
[18:26] <arko> i dont mind spending a bit more
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander> at least government starts to wake up
[18:26] <fsphil> though I really don't download that much
[18:26] Action: mfa298 checks the router, yup still 8mbps download speed (and I'm in a city and fairly close to the exchange)
[18:27] <fsphil> I thought the cap would be a problem but it really isn't
[18:27] <Babs> Does that work on windows or unix Lunar_Lander ?
[18:27] <arko> i've got 50down/15up unlimited datacap
[18:27] <arko> not bad
[18:27] <arko> still slow
[18:27] <fsphil> in theory I've got 80 down, 20 up. it's about 60 mbit down in practice
[18:27] <nigelvh> arko, I've used a 1.2GHz preamp from this guy: http://www.minikits.com.au/electronic-kits/rf-amplifiers/rf-preamplifiers and have been very pleased
[18:27] <arko> i use to get 850down/700up at my old office
[18:28] <arko> then again that was nasa
[18:28] Action: SP9UOB_Tom has Gigabit fiber straight to home :-)
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander> Babs, ?
[18:28] <fsphil> 850 would be nice
[18:28] <arko> it was amazing
[18:28] <nigelvh> I get 16down/3up here at home.
[18:28] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: oh shush ;)
[18:28] <arko> downloaded ubuntu in seconds
[18:28] <arko> it was like pulling from a network drive
[18:28] <fsphil> yea but then you'd have ubuntu
[18:28] <fsphil> so not all good :)
[18:28] <mfa298> arko: I've heard of somone using this for HAB stuff (he had a lot of RG58 between the loft mounted antenna and the radio) http://g0mrf.com/432LNA.htm
[18:29] <arko> lol true
[18:29] <arko> mfa298: neat!
[18:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2671521990.png
[18:31] <Lunar_Lander> Babs, can you rephrase your question please?
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[18:31] <mfa298> sounds like we should all move to Poland for good internet
[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> mfa298: i'm little bit cheating, im co-owner and CEO of ISP
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[18:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> mfa298: i have gigabit since 2008 :-)
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[18:33] <mfa298> Babs: for decoding the phonesat you'll either need a radio with a built in TNC (I was trying with my TS-2000) or you need some soundcard packet software (I think AGWPE will do at least some of what you need) - There might be something better
[18:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> Babs: You also can use my modem: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/dstnc.html (for english please use google-translator)
[18:34] <mfa298> SP9UOB_Tom: fancy providing a service to the UK.
[18:36] <Babs> Thanks mfa298 / SP9UOB_Tom
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> where in the world is Anthony?
[18:36] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[18:37] <Babs> Sorry Lunar_Lander I was getting intermittent traffic on the channel on the train I am on
[18:37] <Babs> I asked "what software do you track phonesat on"
[18:37] <Babs> And the next thing that popped up was "Germany is sh1t"
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah xD
[18:37] <Babs> And I thought "funny name for a piece of software but I'll go with it"
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea that was about the internet choke planned to be implemented in 2016
[18:37] <Babs> The boredom of a 4 hour train journey on a Friday night
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> it is like right back to the stone age
[18:37] <Babs> Ignore me
[18:37] <Lunar_Lander> does it rain?
[18:37] <eroomde> Babs: i have a 4 hour journey too
[18:38] <eroomde> where are you headed?
[18:38] <mfa298> Babs: if you're using a real radio I think you'll need something that allows you to adjust the frequency freely (rather than something that uses steps) - same might apply with an SDR (and it's FM mode, possibly even NFM)
[18:38] <eroomde> i don;t mean that in an 'omg we have so much in common!' sense
[18:38] <eroomde> just curious
[18:39] <Babs> You built a GPS , I discussed dinner plate sized Jaffa cakes all day
[18:39] <Babs> You win in terms of an interesting day
[18:40] <fsphil> I like this idea of yours Babs
[18:40] <fsphil> I wish to hear more
[18:40] <eroomde> i know which i'd rather eat
[18:40] <Babs> Preston to London
[18:40] <eroomde> i was wiring today, mostly
[18:40] <eroomde> helping a friend with their display for maker faire
[18:40] <eroomde> wqhere i'm now headed
[18:40] <eroomde> we're interested to see if i think we've made is productisable
[18:41] <Babs> It's in the shops now eroomde
[18:41] <eroomde> which is a simple daisychain bus for running multiple shields from one arduino
[18:41] <Babs> Impress your friends when you see it by pointing at it
[18:41] <eroomde> solving the problem that arduino shields don;t seem to stack nicely (i.e. they all pick the same chip-select pin or whatever)
[18:41] <arko> thought you guys might appricate this http://i.imgur.com/EW5aTch.jpg
[18:41] <eroomde> so this should let you run lots of shields from one 'duino
[18:42] <arko> my friend just got that plate
[18:42] <fsphil> geeky
[18:42] <Babs> And saying "it might look like a Jaffa cake, it might taste like a Jaffa cake, but actually it's made like a Swiss roll"
[18:42] <eroomde> let's hope his first drive with it isn't terminal
[18:43] <arko> oh man
[18:43] <fsphil> I've never seen a Swiss roll. Do they do it often?
[18:43] <arko> pun CIA is after you now
[18:43] <eroomde> they'd better be prompt
[18:43] <fsphil> we'll have to console his family?
[18:43] <arko> hahaha
[18:43] <arko> maybe you can shell out some cash and pay them off
[18:44] <eroomde> the tax man would come after me
[18:44] <eroomde> unless i made myself an offshore en-tty
[18:44] <arko> >_>
[18:44] <Babs> Enrtty surely
[18:44] <arko> im trying to not laugh during this meeting
[18:44] <fsphil> put that in your pipe and redirect it
[18:44] <Babs> Pun crossover
[18:44] <arko> haha
[18:45] <eroomde> sterr-dy on fsphil
[18:45] <arko> get a grep man
[18:45] <fsphil> I'm got sure I getty you
[18:46] <arko> sudo you know what's going on here?
[18:46] <eroomde> of course i do, du
[18:46] <arko> su what
[18:46] <eroomde> well anyway enough of that punnage
[18:47] <eroomde> where was we
[18:47] <arko> i'm dying here
[18:47] <arko> check history
[18:48] <eroomde> Babs: your work descxriptions seem quite varied - are you part of a private equity firm or something?
[18:49] <Babs> Yes, exactly . I am the devil incarnate.
[18:49] <eroomde> raping and pillaging
[18:49] <Babs> The company I was with today makes half a billion cakes a year
[18:49] <eroomde> that takes the biscuit
[18:49] <Babs> 9 for every man woman and child in the uk
[18:50] <Babs> They have their cake and eat it
[18:50] <Babs> Sadly, all companies have been raped and pillaged by now.
[18:50] <Babs> We have to make do with a small
[18:50] <Babs> Fondle from time to time
[18:51] <eroomde> a clumsy grope
[18:52] <Babs> 3 in the morning in a dodgy nightclub kind of thing
[18:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> is the googlegroup down ?
[18:52] Action: SP9UOB_Tom was posted 2 times - but no effect :-*
[18:52] Action: SP9UOB_Tom was posted 2 times - but no effect :-(
[18:53] <eroomde> probably not yet been moderated
[18:53] <eroomde> i think people are moderated by default
[18:54] <eroomde> hah, 3 bugs fixed and net total of 4 lines deleted in the commit. my kinda coding session
[18:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "[UKHAS] 3 launches announcement from Gliwice/Poland 1,4 may 2013"
[18:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "[UKHAS] 3 launches announcement from Gliwice/Poland 1,4 may 2013"
[18:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> :-)
[18:54] <mattbrejza> i assume only the latest one is needed?
[18:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> mattbrejza: right
[18:55] <mattbrejza> deleteed the other
[18:55] <SP9UOB_Tom> thanks
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[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> my arduino mega still can be programmed by ISP
[19:14] <Lunar_Lander> so probably the USB connection is dead
[19:17] <eroomde> you might have overwritten something it needed to boot over usb if you have been using isp
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander> hm OK
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> I only like tried the "upload with programmer" feather
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> feature
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> and I uploaded several variations of Blink
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> or did I try avrdude on it too...
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> can't recall :(
[19:21] <eroomde> see if you can find the arduino bootloader image and program it on with isp
[19:22] <eroomde> that might fix it
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[19:23] <Willdude123> Hi.
[19:23] <Willdude123> Urghh.
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, OK
[19:24] <mfa298> Willdude123: I think he's away for about a week
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[19:24] <Willdude123> How can I stop my parents from thinking all HABers and Hams are paedophiles?
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> so he doesn't take Orders as well?
[19:24] <craag> No sharp launch tomorrow :(
[19:26] <mfa298> craag: I can't say I'm surprised, it seems they're better at not launching than they are at launching
[19:26] <craag> mm
[19:26] <craag> Gusts are too strong at their hilltop launch site
[19:27] <Willdude123> Any ideas?
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[19:27] <eroomde> well, it would be very improbable that they would be
[19:27] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, he went on holidays to the Lakes National Park
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> (bad for me now that I got my money, I wanted another chip antenna GPS)
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:27] <eroomde> so it's not really a sensible proposition in the first place
[19:28] <Willdude123> eroomde: I've tried that point.
[19:29] <Babs> Willdude123: - tell them that if you are going to take dodgy pictures , then doing it from 30km up isnt the best place to start
[19:29] <Willdude123> I'll just have to wear Chinos and superdry t-shirts while listening to the charts on full volume, with my headphones leaking noise out to everyone in the world.
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> Willdude123, loud music?
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rqismqvBA
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:30] <Willdude123> Well they want me to be 'normal'
[19:31] <Willdude123> Meh.
[19:31] <eroomde> i wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it. you're allowed to have hobbies.
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[19:32] <x-f> ZOMG - https://twitter.com/SGSPhysics/status/327522811277094912/photo/1
[19:32] <x-f> the new Kraken
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[19:32] <craag> x-f: With glow-in-the-dark eyes!
[19:32] <Willdude123> Hmm.
[19:32] <fsphil> unless your hobby is worrying
[19:33] <x-f> craag, even scarier
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> looks like Robot Wars
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[19:35] <x-f> Willdude123, have you considered it doing as a school project with your classmates and teachers?
[19:35] <cuddykid> "Willdude123: How can I stop my parents from thinking all HABers and Hams are paedophiles?" that has to be one of the best lines I've seen on this channel for a while
[19:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hi x-f, are You from Lativia ?
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[19:36] <x-f> hi, Tom, yes
[19:36] <fsphil> irrational fears are rarely solved with logic
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[19:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> x-f: look :-) http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=00ee0176bcdbcba570a6d34c277028403004a2d1
[19:38] <Babs> Agreed cuddykid , genius from WILLdude
[19:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> x-f: heading to You :-)
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB_Tom, that looks like a close shave with a landing at Belarus' border
[19:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> yeah. Strange country, even stranger than Poland ;-)
[19:41] <eroomde> I am in The North
[19:41] <Babs> Is it like Game of Thrones up there eroomde ?
[19:42] <fsphil> technically I'm more norther than you
[19:42] <eroomde> it's a bit less rapey so far
[19:43] <Babs> Wait until you go out in the Bigg Market
[19:43] <fsphil> actually no, looking at the map you're northerer
[19:44] <x-f> SP9UOB_Tom, could you launch the 1600g balloon on that day instead of the small one, please? :) this one sadly will be just below the horizon - http://i.imgur.com/ttqW44z.png
[19:44] <eroomde> i'm not in newcastle yet fsphil
[19:44] <fsphil> ah
[19:44] <eroomde> just gone thorugh sheffield
[19:44] <eroomde> lots of driving still to do
[19:45] <fsphil> oh man
[19:45] <fsphil> half way
[19:45] <fsphil> no
[19:45] <fsphil> man my sense of geographic scale sucks
[19:45] <eroomde> barely there really
[19:46] <eroomde> the M1 is on a log scale
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> thats some distance to drive
[19:46] <Laurenceb_> M1 is the most boring road ever
[19:47] <fsphil> gonna be dark when you get there, you'll not see the angel of the north. or as my cousin called it, the angle of the north
[19:47] <Laurenceb_> .... concrete bridge..... concrete bridge....
[19:48] <fsphil> the bit between newcastle and edinburgh is nice
[19:48] <eroomde> 90 degrees isn;t it?
[19:48] <fsphil> indeed, I measured it when I was there
[19:49] <eroomde> i'm going to get rich enough to comission a 200ft tall protractor
[19:49] <eroomde> and put it on a hilltop next to the M1
[19:49] <eroomde> then your cousin can be justified
[19:49] <fsphil> perfect
[19:51] <eroomde> richard littlejohn - the Engels of the north
[19:52] <eroomde> i don;t mean that at all
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> btw you know what is the solution for long drives?
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> KNIGHT RIDER
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:52] <eroomde> i think i meanr arthur scargill
[19:52] <fsphil> knightrighherrrr
[19:54] <fsphil> http://spaceinimages.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2013/04/facing_enceladus/12636285-1-eng-GB/Facing_Enceladus.png
[19:54] <fsphil> love it
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> AWESOME
[19:56] <fsphil> there's a camera 1047185094km away, and it's taking pictures and we can see it
[19:58] <eroomde> yeah but i bet they couldn;t do it with a 10mW ntx2 eh fsphil
[19:58] <fsphil> true, it is nuclear powered
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD yea
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[20:04] <fsphil> 20 watts apparantly
[20:04] <fsphil> with a nice high gain antenna
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[20:10] <fsphil> closer to home
[20:10] <fsphil> http://www.phonesat.org/pictures.php
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[20:15] <lz1dev> nice
[20:16] <eroomde> v nice
[20:17] <lz1dev> what are they using
[20:17] <fsphil> can't find any info
[20:17] <lz1dev> i see mixed compresison
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[20:17] <fsphil> "Both backgrounds received 100%, now receiving medium and high resolution packets"
[20:17] <lz1dev> some wierd tiled progressive compression
[20:18] <lz1dev> ahhh
[20:18] <fsphil> looks a bit jpeg2000-y
[20:18] <fsphil> or some kind of wavelet forma
[20:18] <fsphil> t
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> yay SPAAAAACCCCEEE
[20:19] <Spiruel> Hello, my brother is testing out a radio chip. Every time he uses it on his computer the drivers seem to crash. Is this assume known problem that anybody could help solve?
[20:19] <Spiruel> Is this a known problem* sorry, autocorrect
[20:19] <fsphil> lz1dev: webp
[20:19] <fsphil> http://www.phonesat.org/packet_description.php
[20:19] <mfa298> Spiruel: it might help if you told us what sort of radio chip
[20:20] <Spiruel> The radio chip seemed to work fine for ~20 minutes and now doesn't work
[20:20] <Spiruel> Sure, trying to find out now
[20:20] <fsphil> it's lots of little webp images
[20:20] <mfa298> Spiruel: do you mean one of the rtl-sdr devices ?
[20:20] <lz1dev> webp is google's format
[20:20] <lz1dev> iirc
[20:20] <fsphil> yep
[20:21] <Spiruel> Its ' VB-T dongle based on the Realtek RTL2832U' find out specific name now
[20:22] <fsphil> not sure what the per-image overhead of webp is
[20:22] <mfa298> Spiruel: It might be a case of re-installing the drivers with the zadig tool. If you use a different USB socket it might revert back to the TV drivers rather than the SDR drivers
[20:24] <lz1dev> fsphil: heh, they dropped encoding on phonesat 2
[20:24] <lz1dev> i wonder why
[20:24] <Spiruel> 'DVB-T USB TV RTL-SDR FM+DAB Radio Tuner Receiver Stick Realtek RTL2832U+R820T'
[20:24] <fsphil> it's base85 encoded :/
[20:25] <Spiruel> It's been tested on three different computers, and Linux
[20:25] <eroomde> Spiruel: have you been plugging antennas in and out of it?
[20:25] <Spiruel> It did initially work on windows then drivers crashed after thirty minutes of use
[20:26] <mfa298> Spiruel: what do you mean by the drivers crashing ? any error messages ?
[20:26] <Spiruel> Eroomde: yup, it seems like the drivers are not picking up the device
[20:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> x-f: was AFK. No i cant, but 1600 will be launched 3 days later
[20:26] <Spiruel> Mfa298: no errors on windows. On linux there were some messages
[20:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did you install the drivers usig the zadig tool ?
[20:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> *using
[20:27] <Spiruel> No error message on windows*
[20:27] <Spiruel> Yes, we did
[20:27] <mfa298> Spiruel: on linux does it show up at all in dmesg/lsusb, on windows does it show up at all in Device Manager
[20:28] <lz1dev> fsphil: not, i mean telemetry
[20:28] <Spiruel> Mfa298: it showed in device manager as unknown device. If i run zadig again, and reinstall winusb it appears properly but sdr sharp says it cannot lock onto it...
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[20:29] <mfa298> with sdr sharp have you added all the extra files it needs for the rtl-sdr devices.
[20:30] <Spiruel> Mfa298: i used the auto installer which installed both as recommended on the wiki
[20:31] <mfa298> I've only done it manually (not used to auto-installer), hopefully it does the right thing
[20:31] <mfa298> on windows in device manager after re-doing the drivers with zadig what does it show up as ?
[20:32] <Spiruel> OK, thanks for your help. It's hard to type on this mobile device so I'll try again tomorrow ;)
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[20:53] <eroomde> impressed i've had pretty much full signal hsdpa+ all the way up the m1
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[21:03] <arko> woot!
[21:04] <arko> almost there?
[21:04] <arko> like an hour left right?
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> oops
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> bit of a mix up on the flight doc (again)
[21:08] <chrisstubbs> will the flight doc use the most recent payload config doc?
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[21:14] <arko> yikes
[21:14] <arko> try #habhab ?
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> good plan ;)
[21:14] <arko> man, people love commenting "hey you got a haircut!"
[21:14] <arko> im like "ORLY!? I was wondering why someone cut my hair and robbed me"
[21:15] <eroomde> arko: 30 mins
[21:15] <eroomde> saved too?
[21:15] <arko> woot
[21:17] <eroomde> shaved*
[21:19] <arko> yes
[21:19] <arko> i look normal now
[21:20] <arko> no longer are people stopping me in the streets asking where the nearest sinagoga is
[21:20] <eroomde> :)
[21:20] <arko> YESS IT'S THE WEEKEND NOW
[21:20] <arko> as soon as im out around 5:30
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> I am thinking
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> shall I make the new balloon board or shall I fly the old one one more time
[21:22] <arko> progress
[21:22] <arko> new board
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:22] <arko> why do the same thing again
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> true
[21:22] <arko> nasa doesn't get ahead doing that
[21:22] <arko> oh wait..
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:22] <arko> damn heritage hardware
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> the only thing I could have thought of would have been to get a HIH-5031 and replace the HIH-4030 with it
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> but the new board should be able to implement the HIH-6121
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> btw what was the thing with curiosity's driving patterns now?
[21:23] <arko> ?
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> I was told that the pattern resembles a penis
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> and that this like crashed NASAs website
[21:24] <arko> that was Spirit back in 2003
[21:24] <arko> around sol 51
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> and then someone at orbiter-forum posted a segment of big bang theory
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> where like howard watches TV and there is a newscast about "the mars rover's malfunction" and he looks like "oh shit"
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> and Penny was like "Didn't you tell me, if we would go out, I could drive a car on Mars?"
[21:26] <arko> wow these articles are stupid
[21:26] <arko> they keep saying it's Curiosity
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[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> arko, yea http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/24/mars-rover-penis-nasa_n_3144656.html?1366792449&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> there is the MER solar panel visible at the edge of that black cutout
[21:28] <arko> 2004 i meant
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> ah "The twin exploration vehicles Spirit and Opportunity were launched nine years ago, in an effort to search the surface of Mars for signs of water erosion and possibly even life."
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> "It's not clear which of the rovers drew the shape, or even when it was made."
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> also curiosity's tires are much wider, should have come to my mind earlier
[21:30] <arko> drive was around Sol 51
[21:30] <arko> pictures around Sol 58
[21:30] <arko> http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p058.html
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2mLMQLSjp_s
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> so this is really sleepy media
[21:31] <arko> people just want something to talk about
[21:32] <eroomde> it is darker up north
[21:32] <arko> well, it's 10:30pm
[21:32] <eroomde> possibly it may be to do with the sun setting during the journey
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> arko, a question
[21:32] <eroomde> regardless
[21:32] <arko> hehe
[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> who decides where and how Curiosity will drive?
[21:33] <arko> a big team
[21:33] <arko> scientists ask engineers to drive and do things
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[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:33] <arko> its a large group of folks
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> what if someone does a mistake?
[21:33] <arko> mistake like?
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[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> the rover getting stuck
[21:34] <eroomde> they send you up to pull it out Lunar_Lander
[21:34] <arko> lol
[21:34] <arko> Mars_Lander
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:34] <eroomde> and the offending driver gets sent to guantanamo
[21:35] <arko> it's a team of engineers doing nav/etc
[21:35] <arko> lol
[21:35] <eroomde> they'll find a scapegoat
[21:35] <eroomde> it's the way of beurocracies
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> what happened when Spirit got stuck?
[21:40] <eroomde> on the tyne bridge
[21:40] <eroomde> am here
[21:40] <eroomde> weee
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[21:49] <arko> woot!
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[21:54] <Laurenceb_> fresh prince of.... tyneside
[21:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Stubbs "[UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - NSE2 - Sunday 28th April 2013 - 9AM"
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[22:10] <Babs> Bigg Market
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[22:10] <Babs> eroomde plus Bigg Market = destiny
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[22:20] <arko> anyone here have experience with curses?
[22:21] Action: jonsowman swears at arko
[22:22] <arko> great!
[22:22] <jonsowman> lol
[22:22] <arko> you are experienced
[22:23] <mattbrejza> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/application-note/an118fa.pdf
[22:24] <mattbrejza> when engineers 'go off on one'
[22:24] <mattbrejza> starts as a nice app note but kinda descends after appendix B into a bit of a rant
[22:24] <mattbrejza> http://i.imgur.com/o2Wfap4.png
[22:25] <malgar> hello
[22:25] <malgar> just arrived the tk102-2
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[22:25] <malgar> weight is about 60g battery included
[22:26] <malgar> I read that I could go down to 35g
[22:26] <malgar> if I remove plastics
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[22:40] <arko> whats it transmitting on?
[22:40] <arko> cell?
[22:40] <arko> sat?
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[22:43] <chrisstubbs> tk102 is GSM
[22:47] <malgar> yes! my first launch will be GSM.. I know that could be problematic but at the moment I haven't hardware for receive 434mhz and in this mountain area I think that gsm has a better coverage at ground level
[22:48] <malgar> this first try will be as much simple as possible and economic
[22:48] <malgar> I mena cheap
[22:48] <malgar> mean
[22:50] <arko> ah
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