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[00:09] <KF7FER> So arko... if you're around, the fix to the LED issue I mentioned is http://pastebin.com/bGC8cDfQ (specifically it's in the else clause)
[00:09] <arko> ah cool
[00:09] <arko> thanks :)
[00:09] <KF7FER> no problem. I solved my problem too; I must have done something stupid because I started over with a fresh copy of the code and everything works
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[00:15] <KF7FER> btw arko - are you using an LM60 temperature sensor? And you said you're running your board at 3.3v?
[00:15] <arko> yeah
[00:15] <arko> i think i will be adding that
[00:15] <arko> and something for voltage sensing
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[00:16] <KF7FER> ok. I'm doing voltage sensing and you'll need to modify the code (it's hardcoded for 5v) in sensors_avr.cpp
[00:16] <KF7FER> but the temperatures reported by the LM60 seem off
[00:18] <KF7FER> FWIW http://pastebin.com/29iuyEUp has the fix for reporting VIN (it's the F_CPU check)
[00:18] <KF7FER> seems to work for 5v and 3.3v boards (as you'd hope ;-) )
[00:19] <KF7FER> well it works if you're running your 3.3v board at < 16MHz
[00:21] <arko> oh i was going to write my own sensor part
[00:21] <arko> code*
[00:21] <KF7FER> oh ok. Well the code does support reporting VIN already
[00:22] <KF7FER> seems to work ok
[00:31] <KF7FER> or maybe you were talking about a different temperature sensor?
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[01:36] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/SHXzsA1fgx Experimenting with lift for PicoHorus-2 #projecthorus #ukhas [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/325422679249268737]
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[03:45] <heathkid> are we doing temp sensing inside the paylod or outside?
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[04:18] <Darkside> ?
[04:18] <Darkside> heathkid: in
[04:24] <arko> Darkside: had a video conference with my friend in OZ
[04:25] <arko> you're in Adelaide right?
[04:27] <arko> well i said i've seen a few people launch from there, and he was like "thats 900 miles away mate"
[04:27] <arko> didn't realize OZ is freakin huge >_> that teaches me to do my own geography
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[05:02] <nigelvh> How's the evening treating you arko?
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[05:03] <Darkside> hey all
[05:04] <Darkside> lol arko
[05:04] <Darkside> yep
[05:04] <nigelvh> Yo
[05:04] <nigelvh> How's the <INSERT_TIME_HERE> treating you Darkside?
[05:04] <Darkside> lol
[05:04] <Darkside> look on spacenearus
[05:04] <Darkside> lanch in progress
[05:04] <Darkside> launch
[05:05] <nigelvh> Which one?
[05:05] <nigelvh> Horus?
[05:05] <Darkside> yes
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[05:05] <nigelvh> I see that one getting updates
[05:05] <Darkside> single foil
[05:06] <Darkside> floated for a little bit
[05:06] <Darkside> now is descending
[05:06] <Darkside> we should be able to recover it
[05:06] <nigelvh> I'm planning on doing a pico with some foils here at some point. Haven't actually gotten around to it yet, but you know how it goes.
[05:07] <nigelvh> H2 or He?
[05:08] <nigelvh> Also, one of y'all's recievers has a particularly long callsign. VK5FSCK
[05:08] <nigelvh> though I am fond of the fsck bit.
[05:10] <nigelvh> Also looks like your chase car isn't terribly close...
[05:11] <nigelvh> Ah, looks like you're on some ridge thingy. Seems like a good place to recieve from.
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[05:24] <nigelvh_> Ah, the internet, allowing my to contemplate other people's driving from across the world.
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[05:38] <nigelvh> Looks like a potentially easy recovery to me...
[05:40] <arko> nice!
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[05:40] <arko> tonight, no more working, im getting drunk and playing Kerbal Space Program like a gentlemen
[05:40] <Darkside> we see it
[05:40] <Darkside> its on a fence
[05:40] <arko> !!!
[05:40] <nigelvh> Nice
[05:40] <arko> nice!!
[05:40] <Darkside> going to speak to the landowners now
[05:40] <arko> :)
[05:41] <arko> take pictures
[05:41] <Darkside> electric fences everywhere
[05:41] <arko> congrats
[05:41] <nigelvh> Indeed
[05:41] <arko> yikes
[05:41] <arko> was this one meant to test anything?
[05:41] <Darkside> nah
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[06:03] <arko> mmm Jim Croce is perfect for building rockets
[06:05] <Darkside> all recoveres
[06:06] <Darkside> pic incoming
[06:06] <arko> nice!!
[06:06] <arko> congrats :)
[06:07] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/fIEIz5rcaI PicoHorus-2 recovered! #projecthorus #ukhas [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/325490759493107713]
[06:07] <arko> balloon still inflated?
[06:09] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: http://t.co/ArRPMsrUu3 Foil balloon tear. #projecthorus #ukhas [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/325491291678978048]
[06:10] <arko> well that explains that
[06:10] <arko> nice!
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[06:13] <Darkside> hey james
[06:13] <Darkside> just did a pico
[06:14] <jcoxon> yeah i saw
[06:14] <jcoxon> how did it go?
[06:15] <Maxell> Isn't it like 06:15 over there in the UK?
[06:16] <jcoxon> 0716
[06:18] <Maxell> ah, you guys only use UTC when it's winter :P
[06:18] <jcoxon> yup
[06:19] <Maxell> Freaking timezones at it again >:(
[06:19] <Maxell> Timezones. Not even once.
[06:19] <arko> crazy kids and your time
[06:21] <jcoxon> Darkside, what sort of ascent rate did you get?
[06:25] <Darkside> too high
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[06:25] <Darkside> ruptured at 4.9km
[06:25] <domlin-Xperia> morning all! :)
[06:26] <Darkside> alaobgps had issuea
[06:26] <Darkside> also
[06:26] <Darkside> gps went in and out of lock
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[06:26] <Darkside> anyway
[06:26] <jcoxon> Darkside, just launch again :-p
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[06:26] <Darkside> the balloon heated up i think
[06:26] <Darkside> lol
[06:26] <jcoxon> the joy of picos
[06:26] <Darkside> no
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[06:26] <Darkside> gas is at hackerspace
[06:26] <Darkside> we are not
[06:26] <jcoxon> oh
[06:26] <jcoxon> fair enough
[06:27] <jcoxon> yeah temperature is such an issue
[06:27] <jcoxon> when working on such a small scale
[06:27] <Darkside> yup
[06:27] <Darkside> lots of helium left in it
[06:27] <Darkside> been ringing people with helium voice
[06:28] <Darkside> bbl
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[06:31] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/zziA4HC.jpg
[06:32] <arko> haha, "hey we have helium left" "**we can talk like this**"
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[06:38] <Upu> morning
[06:38] <cshome> YPY
[06:38] <cshome> UPU
[06:38] <cshome> morning
[06:38] <cshome> our time is 63800 instead of 063800
[06:38] <cshome> habitat wont parse
[06:41] <Upu> will see if someone is awake to do a hot fixc
[06:41] <cshome> cheers man
[06:41] <cshome> :)
[06:42] <Upu> what payload name can you paste line of telemetry here ?
[06:42] <cshome> $$$$CHEAPO,101,64221,51.709179,00.575880,68,6,1*DC9F
[06:43] <cshome> how the hell did i manage to set time as an integer?
[06:43] <cshome> *long
[06:45] <cshome> NSE is working fine, we are going to go and get ready now
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[06:46] <griffonbot> @vk5akh: RT @darksidelemm: http://t.co/fIEIz5rcaI PicoHorus-2 recovered! #projecthorus #ukhas [http://twitter.com/vk5akh/status/325500616686317569]
[06:46] <Upu> don't hold up the launch for it
[06:46] <Upu> if its transmitting
[06:46] <Upu> and attached to the other balloon go
[06:46] <cshome> ok cheers man
[06:46] <Upu> good luck
[06:46] <Upu> afk walking dog
[06:46] <cshome> Thanks :)
[06:47] <cshome> you can rip me for the programming fail later
[06:47] <Upu> testing fail.. :)
[06:48] <cshome> domlin will be on irc in the car
[06:48] <cshome> laters
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[07:00] <arko> morning Upu and cshome
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[07:04] <arko> i have found a silly hat!
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[07:12] <nigelvh> A silly hat eh?
[07:12] <arko> yes
[07:12] <arko> its a tiger
[07:12] <nigelvh> Not a liger or a tiliger?
[07:14] <arko> tiger
[07:15] <nigelvh> Then it's got room to be cooler.
[07:16] <arko> im not sure how to take a picture
[07:16] <arko> plus it will look weird
[07:17] <daveake> and this is a surprise??
[07:17] <arko> not really
[07:17] <daveake> good :)
[07:17] <arko> it's a tiger hat
[07:17] <arko> :P
[07:17] <daveake> It's also USA-been-drinking-all-Friday-evening time :)
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[07:18] <nigelvh> If I were to have been drinking, yes, presently would be that time.
[07:18] <daveake> OK, so you don't have that excuse for the tiger hat
[07:19] <nigelvh> I don't have the tiger hat.
[07:19] <daveake> oh sorry wasn't reading :)
[07:19] <nigelvh> So I have the biggest excuse there is.
[07:19] <daveake> true
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[07:19] <Upu> cshome say thanks to DanielRichman :)
[07:20] <arko> i think i got it
[07:20] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/OZWsOyS.jpg
[07:20] <arko> hat!
[07:20] <arko> it was around the office
[07:21] <nigelvh> I could potentially see that as a fox as well.
[07:21] <Upu> ahah
[07:21] <Upu> nice ark
[07:21] <arko> it's cozy :P
[07:21] <arko> and it's smiling, how do you not wear that?
[07:22] <nigelvh> Plus it goes with your beard.
[07:22] <arko> dude, im shaving this thing tomorrow
[07:22] <eroomde> that should be your launch hat
[07:22] <arko> i've never had a beard before
[07:22] <arko> eroomde: done
[07:22] <arko> i will wear it at the launch
[07:22] <nigelvh> Then you will be easy to find in the photos.
[07:23] <arko> "that dude with the tiger"
[07:23] <nigelvh> "on his head"
[07:23] <arko> "oh wasn't what i thought.."
[07:23] <arko> heh
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[07:23] <arko> ISE iMPACT keeps crashing >_< uggg
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[07:25] <eroomde> is that the jtagy squirter?
[07:25] <arko> ?
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[07:26] <eroomde> for squirting stuffs into fpgas and so on
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[07:26] <arko> woah
[07:26] <arko> squirting?
[07:26] <eroomde> downloading
[07:26] <arko> oh of course
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[07:27] <eroomde> i had a read about jtag yesterday
[07:27] <eroomde> it has always been a bit of a black box to me
[07:27] <arko> odd choice of words they have
[07:29] <eroomde> i only ever really thought of it as a more complicated way of flashing chips
[07:29] <eroomde> and sometimes the friendly IDE had a friendly debug which was friendly
[07:29] <eroomde> and used jtag
[07:29] <arko> this is garbage, nothing works right
[07:29] <eroomde> but basically was a mystery. but it's quite cool
[07:29] <arko> i bet it's win8
[07:29] <arko> man i hate this os
[07:30] <S_Mark> Anyone know how ChrisStubbs is getting on?
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[07:30] <M0UPU> not in the air yet
[07:31] <arko> any habs today?
[07:31] <eroomde> a few
[07:31] <eroomde> that's why people are powering up
[07:32] <eroomde> http://moffling.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/iron-man-briefcase-gif.gif?w=500
[07:32] Nick change: eroomde -> M0TEK
[07:32] <M0TEK> when you change your nick to your callsign you become IronHam
[07:32] <S_Mark> Is chris doing two payloads on one balloon or two balloons?
[07:32] Nick change: daveake -> NoHam
[07:33] <NoHam> Next month guys :)
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[07:33] <M0UPU> that gif is exactly what happens here Ed
[07:33] <NoHam> then I get upgraded
[07:33] <M0TEK> i know M0UPU!
[07:33] <M0TEK> and the yagi rotator flings around like a battle ship's artillery canon locking on
[07:33] <M0UPU> to the sound of classical gas
[07:33] Nick change: arko -> N6ARA
[07:33] <N6ARA> IRON MAN
[07:34] <N6ARA> what time is the first launch?
[07:34] <M0UPU> 34 mins ago
[07:34] <N6ARA> 0800UTC?
[07:34] <S_Mark> lol
[07:34] <S_Mark> 9am BST
[07:34] <N6ARA> wait what, my tracker must be out of date
[07:34] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:34] <M0UPU> morning jcoxon
[07:35] Action: jcoxon is at the new london hackspace
[07:35] <M0TEK> jcoxon: oyu have to power up
[07:35] <jcoxon> very nice
[07:35] <M0TEK> you're naked at the moment
[07:35] <M0UPU> lol
[07:35] Nick change: jcoxon -> M6JCX
[07:35] <M0UPU> boom
[07:35] <M6JCX> happy now
[07:35] <M0TEK> POWEEER
[07:35] <M0TEK> now we're like the avengers
[07:35] <N6ARA> WELCOME TO NERDFEST 2013
[07:35] <M0TEK> let's track that alien shit until it never tries to attack earth ever again
[07:35] <M0UPU> it does look neater until one of those pesky Slovaks comes in with their 6 character calls signs
[07:36] <N6ARA> M0TEK: ironman is what we think, but reality: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1DZbtT82CXQ/TM3ukx6haPI/AAAAAAAAAAQ/tWwlgvC0h5s/s1600/worldofwarcraftnerd.jpg
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[07:36] Nick change: M6JCX -> jcoxon
[07:37] <N6ARA> READY FOR HABING http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/12/500x_the_ham_car.jpg
[07:37] Nick change: NoHam -> daveake
[07:37] <N6ARA> GOT THIS GUHYS
[07:37] <M0UPU> cshome you seem to be still on the ground, can you rectify this situation forthwidth
[07:37] <griffonbot> Received email: John Couto "[UKHAS] Re: Altitude control with valve"
[07:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[07:37] <M0TEK> we should deny the poles a character
[07:37] <M0TEK> like hitler in 1939
[07:37] <N6ARA> lol
[07:38] Nick change: S_Mark -> SMARK
[07:38] <SMARK> thats the closest I can get to a callsign
[07:38] <M0TEK> SM4RK
[07:38] <M0TEK> no one will know
[07:39] <SMARK> Good idea
[07:39] Nick change: SMARK -> SM4RK
[07:39] <SM4RK> Chris isn't due for 20 mins is he
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[07:39] <SM4RK> And do we know if its one balloon or two?
[07:40] <N6ARA> wait really though, when does this launch? not sure if i should crash out or wait
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[07:40] <SM4RK> its 0800UTC, 0900BST
[07:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Altitude control with valve"
[07:40] <N6ARA> time right now is 8:40 right?
[07:41] <M0TEK> correct
[07:41] <N6ARA> cool
[07:41] <N6ARA> im gonna hang out then :)
[07:42] <M0TEK> N6ARA: you're probably (well definitely) much more advanaced than me in matters of hardware language and will think this all quite simple but i've found fpga4fun.com
[07:42] <M0TEK> and it's great!
[07:42] <M0TEK> i'm going into work today to spend the day playing
[07:42] <N6ARA> oh it's my favorite
[07:42] <N6ARA> great place
[07:42] <N6ARA> lots of fun games there
[07:42] <N6ARA> and projects
[07:42] <M0TEK> my dev board has 8 binary switching, 8 LEDS, and 4 push buttons
[07:42] <M0TEK> i think their means i can make an altair 8800 on it
[07:42] <N6ARA> Basys?
[07:43] <M0TEK> Nexys2
[07:43] <N6ARA> ah!
[07:43] <N6ARA> nice
[07:43] <N6ARA> digilent
[07:43] <N6ARA> i had to buy a spartan3e starter board for class
[07:43] <M0TEK> and my GPS board signals breakout header wis cooinceidently a compatible pinout to the nexys 6x2 breakout headers
[07:43] <N6ARA> but im stuck in hell because one day i thought the idea of installing win 8 would be a good idea >_<
[07:43] <M0TEK> 2 power, 2 gnd, 8xi/o
[07:44] <M0TEK> this is spartan 3e
[07:44] <M0TEK> the nexys2
[07:44] <M0TEK> and ise works quite happily on ubuntu
[07:44] <M0TEK> and the digilent tools work fine for jtag, though i am going to switch to FPGALink
[07:44] <M0TEK> because it looks fantastic
[07:44] Nick change: number10 -> M0MDB
[07:45] <M0TEK> so it's basically jtag using the common cypress chips, then provides some vhdl and host pci api to do high speed comms over usb once you've configured
[07:45] <M0TEK> up to about 35MB/s
[07:45] <M0TEK> which is perfect for raw gps logging and so on
[07:46] <N6ARA> yeah, im not shocked it works fine, im 100% sure now it's an os issue for me
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[07:47] <N6ARA> oh nice
[07:47] <N6ARA> :)
[07:47] <N6ARA> whats the gps rf front end going to be?
[07:47] <M0TEK> 16GB when installed though!
[07:47] <N6ARA> or is it gps data from a ublox?
[07:47] <N6ARA> yeah
[07:47] <N6ARA> its stupid
[07:47] <M0TEK> it won't be going in an ubuntu VM on my macbook air
[07:47] <M0TEK> the front end chip is the max2769
[07:47] Nick change: RichiH_ -> RichiH
[07:48] <M0TEK> it basically is a local oscillator which downconverts to a centre freq of about 4MHz (but adjustable)
[07:48] <M0TEK> has a few bandpass filter options
[07:48] <M0TEK> and samples it at up to 3bits
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[07:48] <N6ARA> OMG!
[07:48] <Robint91> what are the launch projectories for NSE and CHEAPO?
[07:48] <N6ARA> ubuntu!
[07:48] <N6ARA> i should run ise on ubuntu
[07:48] <N6ARA> does it work well?
[07:49] <M0TEK> yes
[07:49] <N6ARA> omg
[07:49] <jcoxon> Robint91, i'll turn on the predictor
[07:49] <M0TEK> it runs fine
[07:49] <N6ARA> this whole time i thought i was talking to UPU
[07:49] <M0TEK> tar -xvf Xilinx_blah_blah.tar
[07:49] <N6ARA> forgot it's Ed
[07:49] <M0TEK> sudo ./install
[07:49] <N6ARA> damn coloring
[07:49] <M0TEK> job's a good'n
[07:49] <Robint91> M0TEK, making a GPS recieveR?
[07:49] <M0TEK> yes
[07:49] <N6ARA> wait thats it?
[07:49] <M0TEK> well, made
[07:49] <M0TEK> this is hardware v2
[07:49] <N6ARA> really?
[07:49] <M0TEK> yes
[07:49] <Robint91> M0TEK, nice, with what?
[07:50] <M0TEK> that's all i did
[07:50] <M0TEK> well i had to install the digitelnt jtag stuff
[07:50] <M0TEK> but that was similarly easy
[07:50] <N6ARA> does it work over vmware?
[07:50] <M0TEK> Robint91: a maxim front end chip
[07:50] <Robint91> M0TEK, mhh really nice, I guessed you used an FPGA?
[07:50] <N6ARA> i have tons of problem with vmware and usb drivers
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[07:50] <M0TEK> N6ARA: not tried but always find low level usb stuff can be problemsatic when trying to get out of a vm
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[07:51] <jcoxon> clear day for launching
[07:52] <Robint91> M0TEK, do you have info about your implementation? (on a website/blog?)
[07:52] <M0TEK> Robint91: well for v1 i just built a breakout board for the front end chip and grabbed all the bits with my logic analyser
[07:52] <M0TEK> and then wrote the receiver in numpy
[07:52] <N6ARA> uggg damn
[07:52] <Darkside> jcoxon: http://i.imgur.com/oUCX3em.jpg
[07:52] <M0TEK> (offline, just gets a lock from about 30s of data)
[07:52] <N6ARA> gonna try anyway
[07:52] <Darkside> thats how we found it
[07:53] <fsphil> is this amateur day?
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[07:54] <M0TEK> Robint91: but the v2 will be a bit nicer. I'm making a little usb stick digital front end and rewriting the software to make it work real time (but on a laptop or something)
[07:54] <M0TEK> http://i.imgur.com/BOpB0uI.png
[07:54] <M0TEK> that's how far i've got with the layout (just the usb chip end layed out so far really!)
[07:55] <Robint91> M0TEK, nice I guess it will use a FPGA/CPLD and FT2232H?
[07:55] <Robint91> or something more microcontrollery?
[07:55] <M0TEK> i am more interested in offline reconstruction because you can get 1kHz positions out, and do sensor fusion with inertial and other nice things
[07:55] <N6ARA> oh
[07:55] <N6ARA> which one is the fpga?
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[07:55] <M0TEK> Robint91: yep, and FT232H, and the thing in the middle is a cpld that just repacks the gps front end chip output to somethat that plays nicely with the FT232's FIFO parallel interface
[07:56] <M0TEK> top right is the front end chip, bottom right is an xmega which i'm actually not using because i can do the spi config of the front end chip with the ft232 in spi mode
[07:56] <M0TEK> so that's going to go
[07:56] <Robint91> M0TEK, very nice, will this get more performance as a intergrated module?
[07:56] <M0UPU> balloons up
[07:56] <M0TEK> Robint91: i certainly hope so!
[07:57] <Robint91> M0TEK, very nice
[07:57] <M0TEK> we're implementing more sophisticated tracking than you usually get on integrated modules
[07:57] <Robint91> M0TEK, I'm building a SDT for 70cm for ballooning
[07:57] <Robint91> with a STM32F4 and a http://www.rfmd.com/CS/Documents/RFMD2081DS.pdf
[07:58] <N6ARA> oh neat
[07:58] <N6ARA> starting xilinx download now
[07:58] <M0TEK> kalman filters instead of PLLs to track the frequency and code phase, and then a kalman filter to use the fact that you know what to expect from each of the sats relative to the other sats (IN TERMS OF TIMINGS)
[07:58] <jcoxon> launch!
[07:58] <N6ARA> wow
[07:58] <N6ARA> dude thats cool!
[07:58] <Robint91> M0TEK, cool
[07:58] <N6ARA> M0TEK: you gotta document!
[07:58] <Robint91> ^ this
[07:59] <M0TEK> I will
[07:59] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[07:59] <M0TEK> i am hoping to make this all open hardware and software
[07:59] <N6ARA> :)
[07:59] <M0TEK> though the gucci inertial and gps fusion stuff we might try and use it consulting for a bit
[07:59] <N6ARA> also, yay launch!
[08:00] <M0TEK> i quite want to make the sample gatherer open and easy to buy because this is needlessly expensive:
[08:00] <M0TEK> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10981
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[08:00] <M0UPU> anyone got a dial ?
[08:00] <M0TEK> and has some flakey windows only inertface
[08:00] <N6ARA> yeah, that's a stupid cost
[08:01] <M0UPU> junderwood_M0JCU got a dial ?
[08:01] <M0TEK> i was *maybe* (might be a Robint91 that chip looks amazng
[08:01] <G8KNN-Jon> 434.646
[08:01] <M0TEK> er
[08:01] <M0UPU> ta
[08:01] <GMT> dial for NSE is about 434.067
[08:02] <M0TEK> Robint91: that chip looks amazing
[08:02] <GMT> sorry 434.647
[08:02] <cshome> hi gusy
[08:02] <cshome> guys
[08:02] <cshome> good launch
[08:02] <cshome> gonna retune sdr then go chase
[08:02] <cshome> hows cheapo?
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[08:02] <M0UPU> no data since 7.45
[08:03] <SM4RK> no update
[08:03] <cshome> upu did you have any luck witht he time issue?
[08:03] <Robint91> M0TEK, yeah, It is kinda a power hog but the F range is awesome, I have now from microcontroller 8 PSK63 carriers
[08:03] <Robint91> M0TEK, In about 3kHz bandwidth, all working async
[08:03] <M0TEK> wow
[08:03] <M0UPU> yes its fixed we think
[08:04] <M0TEK> which micro?
[08:04] <M0TEK> oh f4
[08:04] <Robint91> M0TEK, I'm now trying to make a dominoEX mode
[08:04] <M0TEK> you said
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[08:04] <cshome> perfcet cheers man,
[08:04] <Robint91> yeah
[08:04] <SM4RK> update now cshome
[08:04] <M0TEK> nice
[08:04] <M0TEK> which f4 - stm?
[08:04] <cshome> just tuned into it for a few strings :)
[08:04] <Robint91> M0TEK, the F4 is awesome, a STM32F407VG, I like the FPU/DSP instructions in it
[08:04] <cshome> right chase time
[08:04] <cshome> will be back on irc 3g shortly
[08:04] <cshome> l8RZ
[08:05] <M0TEK> Robint91: indeed. i've only played with the discovery f4 board but it looks extraordinarily powerful
[08:05] <N6ARA> woah, two balloons crash!
[08:05] <N6ARA> :P
[08:05] <GMT> any predicted flightpath for NSE?
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[08:06] <M0TEK> Robint91: have you a website?
[08:06] <Robint91> M0TEK,yes http://www.on8rth.be/ but it isn't very updated
[08:07] <G0DJA> How wide is the shif on NSE please?
[08:07] <Robint91> M0TEK, that is something that I need to do, sometimes when I have time
[08:07] <M0TEK> i need to just get a website full stop
[08:07] <N6ARA> is this meant to be a floater?
[08:07] Nick change: fsphil -> MI0VIM
[08:07] <SM4RK> no, was just about to say
[08:08] <N6ARA> ah
[08:08] <SM4RK> according to the group, target assent is 6
[08:08] <N6ARA> underfilled or heavy
[08:08] <MI0VIM> it might not even float with that ascent rate
[08:08] <GMT> 'DJA: the shift is abt 400
[08:08] <MI0VIM> depends on the balloon
[08:09] <G0DJA> Thanks GMT - I'm seeing 2 lines about 800 shift, so that's not it
[08:10] <N6ARA> is there going to be a predictor running with this?
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[08:11] <M0UPU> YEah I'll sort predictor
[08:11] <M0MDB> thats caught me out - a launch on time
[08:11] <GMT> 'DJA: looking on my SDR theres only 1 signal anywhere near .650 ... actually .647-ish;
[08:12] <GMT> look for 2 narrow yellow lines in FLDIGI
[08:12] <G4GUO> Yes and the shift is 400 Hz rather than 425
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[08:12] <G0DJA> 434.646.94 on dial here (1000Hz)
[08:13] <G4GUO> Sorry I meant 350
[08:13] <m1afy> shame, no sign here at IO82WL
[08:13] <G0DJA> GMT I've played the game before :-)
[08:13] <G0DJA> I've set to about 380 here
[08:14] <GMT> m1afy: remind me where io82wl is!
[08:14] <G0DJA> Signal OK but errors stopping full decode
[08:14] <G0DJA> Nothing on 434.300
[08:14] <m1afy> Midlands,, however ill take that back,, very weak near to Birmingham
[08:15] <M0UPU> yeah I can't see anything on 300
[08:15] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: NSE and cheapo are in the air! I'm bursting with excitement #ukhas [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/325522995634372608]
[08:15] <G4GUO> I am watching NSE on 434.645 (dial reading)
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[08:15] <SM4RK> lets hope it doesn't land in the channel
[08:15] <G0DJA> Fading at times right in middle of transmissions
[08:15] <m1afy> NSE 434.646.46 on the dial
[08:15] <G4GUO> Morning Geoff
[08:15] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: This has really lifted my mood #ukhas [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/325523173409955840]
[08:16] <jcoxon> tight flight path
[08:17] <GMT> any chance or removing the red and blue chase cars from the display?
[08:17] <G0DJA> Got a decode but it didn't update the bearing/distance boxes in FLDigi :(
[08:17] <GMT> not displaying on mine either
[08:18] <M0UPU> chase cars removed
[08:18] <GMT> TVM
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[08:19] <M0UPU> well f5apq has CHeapo
[08:19] <M0UPU> morning f5apq
[08:19] <f5apq> morning all
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[08:19] <M0UPU> what frequency d you have CHEAPO on f5apq
[08:19] <M0UPU> ?
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[08:20] <f5apq> 434.298
[08:20] <M0UPU> merci
[08:20] <domlin-chase> !
[08:20] <domlin-chase> hello :)
[08:20] <jcoxon> M0UPU, we should probably add the elsworth launches as well
[08:20] <jcoxon> to the list
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[08:21] <GMT> and remove HORUS?
[08:21] <M0UPU> yes will do shortly jcoxon
[08:21] <domlin-chase> M0UPU: could you enable live predictions please?
[08:22] <M0UPU> refresh
[08:22] <M0UPU> its on
[08:22] <domlin-chase> thank you :)
[08:22] <G0DJA> Really must put a vertical up - these fades are killing the decodes
[08:23] <domlin-chase> how do you think it's looking?
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[08:23] <GMT> IHOP, mmmmm
[08:24] <G8KNN-Jon> CHEAPO probably 20dB weaker than NSE
[08:24] <M0UPU> ah thats why I can't see it
[08:25] <M0UPU> was getting confused
[08:25] <M0UPU> oh I see it
[08:25] <M0UPU> wow that is faint
[08:25] <M0MDB> I tuned into cheapo a little earlier - would decode with default settings
[08:25] <M0MDB> not sure if that was just me
[08:25] <domlin-chase> those predictions do not look good.
[08:25] <G0DJA> Decode but again no dist/bearing display in FLDigi so don't know if I'm point antenna in right deirection :(
[08:25] <LokisSword> G0DJA: where are you? I'm in wolves, but got nothing...
[08:25] <G0DJA> pointing
[08:26] <G0DJA> I'm in Bolsover, Derbyshire LokisSword
[08:26] <arclight23> good evening/morning/etc from USA
[08:26] <M0TEK> zulu felicitations
[08:26] <M0UPU> morning arclight23
[08:26] <M0TEK> ^ the timezone agnostic greeting
[08:26] <LokisSword> Ah sorry, it was m1afy who said they were in Birmingham, sorry!
[08:26] <G0DJA> LokisSword I'm the 'tower' symbol just next to Sheffield in Tracker http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:27] <G0DJA> I was in Brum yesterday, visiting my Mum
[08:27] Nick change: N6ARA -> arko
[08:28] <arclight23> indeed...looks like some nice launches today.
[08:28] <arclight23> Good flying weatherin UK?
[08:28] <GMT> superb blue sky all over the southern UK
[08:29] <arko> Arclight?
[08:29] <arko> Dude!
[08:29] <GMT> prob raining 'oop north'
[08:29] <arclight23> arko: yo!
[08:29] <arko> Dude you're hereZ
[08:29] <arclight23> correct
[08:30] <arko> Everyone, arclight23 was they guy who got the search and rescue team together to recover HABEX2
[08:30] <arko> :)
[08:30] <arko> So is this one flying right now doomed?
[08:31] <domlin-chase> i hope not
[08:31] <arko> :p
[08:31] <arko> Predictor looks better now
[08:32] <M0TEK> arclight23: nice work
[08:32] <M0MDB> its going up a bit slow - should have had a few stirks
[08:32] <M0TEK> very different to the ava recovery that happened at the same time
[08:32] <arclight23> thanks! ours had to sit in the desert for 2 weeks first...
[08:32] <arko> Getting a tan
[08:32] <arclight23> what's the config of the current balloon?
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[08:33] <Robint91> what are the blue/green cirkels?
[08:33] <arko> domlin-chase good luck!
[08:33] <arko> Robint91: visual and radio horizon
[08:33] <M0UPU> added Elsworth flights jcoxon
[08:33] <Robint91> ah okay
[08:33] <Robint91> arko, so blue = radio and green visual?
[08:34] <M0UPU> prediction updated with 20km burst if thats what it bursts at with that ascent rate
[08:34] <Maxell> whats going on "$$$$NSE,622,083257,51.476952,00.352490l8987,11,58,1,5*698B"
[08:34] <arko> I think so
[08:35] <GMT> Are NSE and CHEAPO attached to the same balloon?
[08:35] <mfa298> Robint91: blue is roughly when it's on the horizon, and green is 5degrees above the horizon
[08:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Altitude control with valve"
[08:35] <arko> Yes
[08:35] <x-f> Robint91, they indicate area where it is 0 and 5 degrees above horizon
[08:35] <arko> Is this a pico?
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[08:36] <arko> x-f: oh really? Not sure where I got my info theb
[08:36] <arko> Then
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[08:37] <mfa298> if you hover your mouse on the green/blue circles it tells you what they are (and which balloon)
[08:37] <M0UPU> NSE just gone very weak for me
[08:38] <domlin-chase> poo may have hit a fan
[08:38] <domlin-chase> currently at the dartford tolls getting stared at
[08:38] <Robint91> NSE is showing up in JO21PC
[08:38] <Robint91> but still no decode
[08:38] <GMT> that's the people of Dartford for you!
[08:39] <domlin-chase> whats everyones dial freq for NSE
[08:39] <M0UPU> 434.646
[08:39] <Robint91> 434.646
[08:39] <M0MDB> same
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[08:40] <arclight23> did your balloon pay the toll already?
[08:40] <domlin-chase> yes
[08:40] <G0DJA> 434.647 (lower tone at 1000Hz)
[08:41] <GMT> your toll rate depends upon yuour weight ... how much NSE weigh?
[08:41] <domlin-chase> about half a kilo :p
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[08:41] <Robint91> w00t copy from NSE
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[08:42] <GMT> but the helium makes it negative weight, so surely they should pay you?
[08:42] <G0DJA> My decode count is not going to be good today
[08:43] <GMT> Domlin: recommend A21 for best route down to projected landing site
[08:43] <G0DJA> Audio is fluctuating wildly here
[08:43] <Robint91> 350km
[08:43] <Robint91> nice
[08:43] <griffonbot> @zerojinx: RT @NSEballoon: NSE and cheapo are in the air! I'm bursting with excitement #ukhas [http://twitter.com/zerojinx/status/325530247627935744]
[08:45] <G0DJA> Robint91 is your FLDigi calculating and shiowing ditance and bearing and, if so, which version please?
[08:45] <G0DJA> showing
[08:45] <G0DJA> distance
[08:45] <domlin-chase> G8KNN-Jon: whats your dial freq for cheapo? :)
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[08:46] <Robint91> G0DJA, yes, 3.21.50 on windows but you need to select the correct balloon or it doesn't do it
[08:46] <G8KNN-Jon> 434.295 but very weak
[08:46] <G0DJA> I did :(
[08:47] <G0DJA> NSE1: CHEAPO, NSE selected
[08:47] <arclight23> do y'all mostly use omnis for receiving?
[08:47] <M0MDB> most not all
[08:47] <Hix> there seem to be a mix arclight23
[08:47] <GMT> 'Flight' box should say NSE1: CHEAPO, NSE and 'Payload' box should say NSE (NSE)
[08:47] <G0DJA> AH! forgot the Payload option!
[08:47] <MI0VIM> the ascent rate has improved a bit
[08:48] <GMT> DJA: I will let you into a secret ... somebody else here did the same also! Doh!
[08:48] <G0DJA> That's sorted it thanks for the reminder Robint91
[08:48] <G0DJA> arclight23 I use a 14 ele beam
[08:49] <Robint91> what it the power of NSE?
[08:49] <Robint91> 10mW
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[08:50] <G0DJA> My problem is that it's horizontally polarised...
[08:50] <MI0VIM> yea 10mW
[08:50] Nick change: MI0VIM -> fsphil_MI0VIM
[08:50] <Robint91> the stablilty of the transmitter isn't that good
[08:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> they're sensitive to temperature changes
[08:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> there must not be enough insulation on this one
[08:51] <Robint91> also I find that a shift of 340Hz decodes better
[08:51] <Robint91> instead of the 350Hz
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[08:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea the shift changes too :)
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[08:52] <fsphil_MI0VIM> though not very much
[08:52] <arclight23> is it one of those SAW oscillator modules?
[08:52] <domlin-chase> i think we may be underneath the balloon
[08:52] <M0UPU> close domlin-chase
[08:52] <M0UPU> what balloon is it ?
[08:54] <G0DJA> Strange - on good decoades the boxes with lat/long change but the dist and bearing seem stck on same values
[08:54] <G0DJA> decodes
[08:54] <G0DJA> stuck
[08:54] <domlin-chase> howoyee 300
[08:54] <G0DJA> AH! changed that time so probably heading away from me on same heading each time
[08:55] <S_Mark> dial for NSE?
[08:55] <M0UPU> 434.646
[08:55] <Maxell> 434.648340 Hz here
[08:55] <Maxell> could be my dongle being off :-)
[08:56] <GMT> Maxell, is that plus or minus anything?
[08:56] <G0DJA> Maxell depends where in waterfall you like the sigs to be as well
[08:57] <domlin-chase> haha the predicted landing site seems to be wet
[08:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> IsCHEAPO running on 434.3 ?
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[08:57] <G0DJA> Best decodes here seem to be when lower tone is on 1000Hz but others seem to prefer different settings
[08:57] <domlin-chase> Geoff-G8DHE: yeah :)
[08:57] <G0DJA> So my dial freq is 434.647.68 at the moment
[08:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Strange NSE pounding in but not cheapo
[08:58] <M0UPU> I can't even see Cheapo but NSE is very strong
[08:58] <domlin-chase> gotta love the ntx2
[08:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right not just me then - I'm out mobile so thinking something wasn't working
[08:59] <Robint91> mhh
[08:59] <Robint91> NSE looses GPS it gps signal
[09:00] <Robint91> *looses its gps gisnal
[09:00] <Robint91> *signal
[09:00] <arko> Whybare the two reading different alt?
[09:01] <M0UPU> no reading from CHEAPO for 10 mins
[09:01] <arko> Ah
[09:01] <arclight23> very long cord?
[09:01] <arko> Haha, 2000m cord
[09:02] <Robint91> HABLAB at 600baud later today?
[09:02] <Robint91> are those floaters?
[09:02] <M0UPU> no
[09:02] <M0UPU> GPS has stuck
[09:02] <arko> arclight23: are you still at the shop?
[09:02] <M0UPU> at 16km
[09:02] <M0UPU> really ?
[09:02] <M0UPU> fligth mode ?
[09:02] <arclight23> arko: no, back home
[09:02] <arko> Ah
[09:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh no!
[09:02] <fsphil_MI0VIM> schoolboy error?
[09:02] <M0UPU> really really ?
[09:02] <M0UPU> oh no
[09:02] <M0UPU> wait up
[09:02] <arko> Uh oh
[09:02] <M0UPU> this is wierd
[09:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> working again
[09:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> er no
[09:03] <M0UPU> lol
[09:03] <M0UPU> still going up
[09:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm not properly awake
[09:03] <M0UPU> GPS is stalling alot
[09:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> cheapo is the one stick
[09:03] <fsphil_MI0VIM> stuck*
[09:05] <NickSF> NSE went on abit of a mission?
[09:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> AH, cheapo updated
[09:05] <fsphil_MI0VIM> these are weird flights
[09:05] <arko> Ascent rate looks better
[09:05] <arko> Closer to 5
[09:05] <arko> That was the target right?
[09:06] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 434mhz is a good deal noiser than usual today
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[09:06] <gonzo_> any clues whey cheepo is so weak?
[09:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Much quieter here in the country side than at home!!
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[09:07] <fsphil_MI0VIM> almost always faulty antenna or antenna connection
[09:07] <gonzo_> what's the tx?
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[09:07] <M0UPU> 434.646
[09:08] <gonzo_> sorry, meant what tx module
[09:08] <Willdude123> Not even bothering to try to receive anything.
[09:08] <M0UPU> try AURA when its up Willdude123
[09:08] <GMT> Why not Will? at least check on your SDR dongle to see if there any trace of a signal
[09:09] <Willdude123> Okay. Which heading is it?
[09:09] <LokisSword> looking forward to AURA only ~40 miles away from me
[09:09] <Willdude123> As in what direction will I need to point my antenna?
[09:09] <GMT> Will, prob due east
[09:09] <Willdude123> *put
[09:09] <M0UPU> "up" Willdude123 :)
[09:09] <M0UPU> you don't point that antenna
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[09:10] <gonzo_> nse is strong sig, you should see that
[09:10] <fsphil_MI0VIM> pointing it would be the worse option :)
[09:11] <Robint91> le drift of NSE
[09:11] <Robint91> http://i.imgur.com/lcRlW3O.png
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[09:12] <Darkside> wobblewobble
[09:12] <arko> Weird
[09:12] <Willdude123> Can google earth show headings towards places?
[09:12] <Willdude123> Is there a compass or something?
[09:12] <Darkside> wibbly wobbly
[09:12] <Darkside> timey wimey
[09:12] <Darkside> Willdude123: the measure tool can give you a bearing between 2 points
[09:13] <jcoxon> what balloon size is this?
[09:13] <Hix> 300 jcoxon
[09:13] <Hix> I'm getting NSE cutout on every line just before checksum?
[09:14] <Robint91> this isn't a thermal drift http://i.imgur.com/Dg4ZUPE.png
[09:14] <Robint91> could be possible changing bat voltage?
[09:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Draw a line in GE and it will give you the bearing either that or load a Compass rose
[09:14] <Willdude123> Where is aura's launch site?
[09:14] <jcoxon> Robint91, often its spin
[09:14] <GMT> RobinT91: I'm not seeing that effect, maybe poor signal to your location
[09:14] <jcoxon> as in the payload is roating
[09:15] <jcoxon> rotating*
[09:15] <fsphil_MI0VIM> spin can be the cause of all sorts of problems
[09:15] <Robint91> I have 18db S/N
[09:15] <GMT> just ask the government
[09:15] <Hix> I have a hangover that would make Keith Floyd proud
[09:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> WHAT?
[09:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm why does my position not show on the map ? Uploading data, appearing in Rx list but my location isn't shown ?
[09:16] <fsphil_MI0VIM> is it true that loud noises hurt when you've a hangover?
[09:16] <Hix> heh, not a noise sensitive one, just a very fuzzy one fsphil_MI0VIM
[09:16] <Willdude123> Right 320 degrees.
[09:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> What have I missed?
[09:17] <GMT> UPU, r u there?
[09:17] <Hix> weird, strong signal but not one decode due to missing checksum on virtually every sentence
[09:17] <jcoxon> Hix, tighten your filters
[09:18] <jcoxon> or expand them
[09:18] <Hix> how?
[09:18] <fsphil_MI0VIM> no signal here, and I suspect they're not long until bursting
[09:18] <jcoxon> in modem config
[09:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Drag the markers
[09:18] <jcoxon> or that
[09:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> on the SDR radio or SDR#
[09:19] <jcoxon> also on dl-fldigi the receive fliter bandwidth
[09:20] <domlin-chase> this better bloody burst :|
[09:20] <Hix> got recieve filter bandwidth but cant find t'other
[09:20] <arko> :| YIKES
[09:20] <arko> oops caps lock
[09:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> prediction near Bewl Water
[09:21] <Hix> ahhh general
[09:21] <fsphil_MI0VIM> which looks like a crack in the earth
[09:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just love the name of "Snodland" :-)
[09:21] <jcoxon> good chasing going on here
[09:21] <GMT> I still reckon they should have gone down the A21
[09:21] <Willdude123> I'll try having it outside my window.
[09:22] <arko> domlin-chase: looks like youve got some decent playroom
[09:22] <domlin-chase> nah this is the best route.
[09:22] <domlin-chase> btw i'm basing this on the fact that ive never been to kent, or on the m20
[09:22] <domlin-chase> or the a229
[09:23] <jcoxon> f5apq, good work on tracking cheapo
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[09:23] <Hix> nope filters not affecting things
[09:23] <Hix> maybe its just a lack of bacon
[09:23] <jcoxon> thats always a chance
[09:23] <domlin-chase> yeah f5apq thanks very much we cant eeven get cheapo and we're underneath it
[09:23] <Hix> bacon fixes everything
[09:24] <Willdude123> I have a bedroom with about 180 degrees visibility for my quarter wave, with a midpoint of 282 degrees. Will I be in a good position to get AURA?
[09:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> crows keep dropping baps into my back garden
[09:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> normally it's me throwing bread at them
[09:24] <arko> Looks like it if bursts at 30km you still could recover
[09:24] <M0MDB> do you look hungry
[09:24] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I am a bit, now that someone mentioned bacon
[09:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Willdude123 what part of country are you, its about 94 degrees from Wiltshire
[09:24] <domlin-chase> recover from the sea?
[09:24] <f5apq> cheapo not vy strong difficult to decode
[09:25] <M0MDB> domlin-chase: any cameras onbaord
[09:25] <Hix> shouldnt have shouted at me fsphil_MI0VIM ;p
[09:25] <fsphil_MI0VIM> lol
[09:26] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this is a good altitude for such a small balloon, and two payloads
[09:26] <Willdude123> Geoff-G8DHE: Oakley, Hants
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> You will be a little less then about 85 degrees
[09:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Due east for all practical purposes
[09:27] <domlin-chase> M0MDB: yep should have about 40-50 minutes of footage from the launch
[09:27] <domlin-chase> so would really like to recover haha
[09:27] <fsphil_MI0VIM> wait what
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[09:28] <Hix> fsphil_MI0VIM: http://i.imgur.com/l35nYRO.jpg
[09:28] <Willdude123> Geoff-G8DHE: That's on the opposite side of my house. :(
[09:28] <fsphil_MI0VIM> what's with the sudden turn north?
[09:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Launches from Elsworth Today"
[09:29] <Hix> SQL thats what was killing things
[09:29] <Hix> decode every line now :D
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[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well that shouldn't make much difference on a dry dy like this unless your at ground level
[09:29] <fsphil_MI0VIM> Hix: very nice. how often are they at it?
[09:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> my rial is just a little whip at 6 foot of the grounf
[09:29] <Hix> nothing there yet, its been used past two years, this yesar with a camera, seems abandoned, sods law
[09:29] <arko> Doesnt seem likemit will landnin water
[09:30] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm not sure this sudden turn north is real
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[09:30] <Willdude123> Geoff-G8DHE: Google earth says the heading is 320 degrees.
[09:31] <domlin-chase> we've just seen quite a lot of helicopters in the sky around us... this could be fun
[09:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> heading south again
[09:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> man that is just odd
[09:31] <fsphil_MI0VIM> the winds up there must be really interesting
[09:31] <M0UPU> wierd :)
[09:31] <Willdude123> It's not due east I don't think.
[09:31] <Willdude123> Wait.
[09:31] <Willdude123> Errgh.
[09:32] <G0DJA> I seem to be missing from list of receivers even when I get a good decode...
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[09:32] <M0UPU> if you're upload is delayed G0DJA it may be superceeded by a newer string
[09:32] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @NSEballoon: NSE and cheapo are in the air! I'm bursting with excitement #ukhas [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/325542584866975744]
[09:33] <Willdude123> Should be in view.
[09:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> NSE now on my waterfall
[09:33] <GMT> 'DJA: I can do some magic and probably make you appear ...
[09:33] <M0UPU> thats got to burst soon
[09:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yea
[09:33] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I didn't expect to see it at all
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[09:34] <jcoxon> i like the way that it appears cheapo just took a shortcut
[09:34] <Hix> isnt the ascent rate a little low for a burst?
[09:34] <G0DJA> GMT :)
[09:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> 5m/s is fine
[09:34] <M0UPU> 300g balloon hix
[09:34] <M0UPU> going to burst
[09:34] <Hix> don't they normally go about 7m/s
[09:34] <M0UPU> nah
[09:34] <fsphil_MI0VIM> most aim for 5
[09:35] <GMT> 'DJA appears on the Receivers list
[09:35] <Hix> yes, i meant they speed up just before burst
[09:35] <Hix> to about 7 iirc
[09:35] <GMT> UPU: ping
[09:35] <M0UPU> hello
[09:36] <G0DJA> BVurst?
[09:36] <GMT> did you see about Rockblock selling off some cheap GPSs?
[09:36] <Hix> strange, anyone else notice 6 lines at same altitude there?
[09:36] <G0DJA> Burst? (even)
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[09:36] <M0UPU> don't think so
[09:36] <G0DJA> Hix - Yes but not all decoded OK
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[09:36] <M0UPU> nope GMT - link ?
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[09:36] <Hix> mine all decoded
[09:37] <M0UPU> GPS seen to be sticking between lines
[09:37] <henk_> hi
[09:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> starting to get partial decodes
[09:37] <Hix> then 3@26637
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[09:37] <M0UPU> hi henk_
[09:37] <domlin> 3G swap wasnt very smooth :P
[09:37] <GMT> UPU: pm
[09:37] <henk_> iv hear rtty on 434.647.4
[09:37] <fsphil_MI0VIM> this is one of the few cases where I don't *want* to decode, I'd rather it burst :)
[09:38] <Hix> NSE henk_
[09:38] <G0DJA> $$$$NSE,903,093426,51.274261,00.526890,25977,11,56,1,5*D7E7
[09:38] <G0DJA> $$$$NSE,94,093426,51.274261,00.526890,25977,0,56,1,4*850E
[09:38] <G0DJA> $$$$NSE,905,093426,51.274261,00.526890,25977,0,57,1,5*55F4
[09:38] <G0DJA> $$$$NSE,906,093426,51.274261,00.526890,25977,0,56,1,5*403B
[09:38] <G0DJA> $$$$NSE,907,093426,51.274261,00.526890,25977,0,56,1,5*2AB1
[09:38] <henk_> i frorgot how to see my waterfall
[09:38] <Hix> yup s'what i got
[09:38] <arko> Burst?
[09:38] <M0UPU> negative
[09:38] <Willdude123> Gerring something.
[09:38] <Hix> nope
[09:38] <M0UPU> ah
[09:38] <fsphil_MI0VIM> signal too steady
[09:38] <M0UPU> yes
[09:38] <Willdude123> But very week.
[09:38] <Willdude123> *weak
[09:39] <M0UPU> burst I think
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[09:39] <M0UPU> no
[09:39] <Hix> sounds like it just did
[09:39] <M0UPU> wierd
[09:39] <M0UPU> yeah it did
[09:39] <M0UPU> I think its burst
[09:39] <M0UPU> gps is just stuck
[09:39] <fsphil_MI0VIM> c'mon telem
[09:39] <M0UPU> its burst sure
[09:39] <Robint91> It is falling I guess
[09:39] <fsphil_MI0VIM> you listening in arko?
[09:39] <G0DJA> Stuck on 27642 now
[09:39] <fsphil_MI0VIM> oh wow, signal disappeared here already
[09:40] <Willdude123> I can see soemthing, but it's tiny and not decodable.
[09:40] <Robint91> http://i.imgur.com/yv1KOLV.png
[09:40] <Hix> lots of GPS weirdness of late
[09:40] <M0UPU> dum dee dum :)
[09:40] <Robint91> mhh
[09:40] <fsphil_MI0VIM> it's falling quite quickly
[09:40] <arko> Nah, could find a glonalntuner
[09:40] <M0UPU> burst confirmed
[09:40] <G0DJA> Now dropping
[09:40] <Willdude123> When's aura going up?
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[09:40] <M0UPU> anytime they want really
[09:40] <Hix> about 11:30 Willdude123
[09:41] <arko> Ok time to sleep
[09:41] <Hix> you got your wish domlin
[09:41] <M0UPU> 27km from a 300g
[09:41] <fsphil_MI0VIM> nite arko!
[09:41] <arko> Good luck domlin-chase
[09:41] <arko> Nite!
[09:41] <domlin> i did it burst :D
[09:41] <Hix> bye arko
[09:41] <Hix> yup
[09:41] <M0UPU> nght arko
[09:41] <domlin> do you guys think we should go for the predicted landing site? thats where we are currently heading
[09:42] <fsphil_MI0VIM> never bet on a howyee's burst altitude
[09:42] <M0UPU> keep going south for a bit domlin
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[09:42] <M0UPU> aim fro Hursts Green
[09:42] <M0UPU> you'll get there before the balloon
[09:43] <jcoxon> prob worth getting on to the A21
[09:43] <jcoxon> quite a spin going on
[09:43] <henk_> i hear the signaL but no decoding
[09:43] <M0UPU> yeah fingers cross the parachute doesn't tangle up
[09:43] <M0UPU> not looking like it at the moment
[09:44] <G0DJA> Similar effects here Robint91 http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/8665359480
[09:44] <domlin> this is very exciting haha
[09:44] <henk_> how can i see my blue waterfall screen\
[09:45] <M0UPU> drag the divder up up henk_
[09:45] <M0UPU> sometimes it hides
[09:45] <domlin> -5m/s sounds like the chuts working
[09:45] <M0UPU> -24.5m/s
[09:45] <M0UPU> no
[09:45] <M0UPU> that sounds like you're dragging a split balloon
[09:45] <domlin> oh
[09:46] <Hix> though it seemed a wee bit rapid
[09:46] <M0UPU> mind you with the GPS the telemetry is a little all over the place
[09:46] <M0UPU> -10m/s @ 20km
[09:46] <M0UPU> how big is the parachute ?
[09:47] <domlin> 80cm di
[09:47] <domlin> lmao just saw --34m/s
[09:47] <henk_> i see to vertical red things
[09:47] <henk_> thats all
[09:47] <M0UPU> how heavy is the payload ?
[09:47] <domlin> 450g
[09:47] <M0UPU> I think you're bringing some balloon back with you which is slowing it down
[09:47] <M0UPU> possibly
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[09:48] <domlin> slowing it down??
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[09:48] <M0UPU> yeah
[09:48] <M0UPU> thats a reasonable parachute
[09:48] <Hix> arrrgh, there is no bacon, I'm doomed
[09:48] <M0UPU> not sure lets see
[09:49] <Hix> dosn to -12.9 domlin
[09:49] <Hix> *down
[09:49] <x-f> CHEAPO updated
[09:50] <Hix> how come Alan is the only receiver for CHEAPO?
[09:50] <M0UPU> very weak signal
[09:50] <M0UPU> he's the only person who seems to be able to get it
[09:50] <fsphil_MI0VIM> also he's really good at this
[09:50] <x-f> he likes the challange
[09:50] <GMT> has a large beam ant pointing at balloon
[09:50] <Hix> odd, maybe the sea is amplifying it :)
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[09:50] <M0UPU> and F5APQ isn't Alain its Jacques
[09:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> confusign
[09:51] <Hix> yup, my bad alan is AGV
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[09:51] <M0UPU> isn't Herstomnceux where they launch the met sondes from ?
[09:51] <fsphil_MI0VIM> I'm really bad with names, so you can imagine what I'm like with callsigns
[09:51] <GMT> UPU, yes
[09:51] <M0UPU> apt :)
[09:52] <domlin_> we've temprarily stopped
[09:52] <PE2G> M0UPU they use 404.800 MHz
[09:52] <domlin_> going to watch it for a bit, see what our plan of action should be
[09:52] <M0UPU> http://files.qrz.com/q/f5apq/f5apq.jpg :)
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[09:53] <M0UPU> many many big antennas
[09:53] Nick change: domlin_ -> domlin
[09:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Herstomnceux its an observatory might launch as well
[09:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> wow
[09:53] <Hix> nearly everyone in France and Belgium has a wanadoo address
[09:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> yagi envy
[09:53] <fsphil_MI0VIM> my neighbours would just love that. tempting :)
[09:53] <M0UPU> lol
[09:53] <domlin> M0UPU: what was the name of the place you said we should go to? :)
[09:54] <M0UPU> at the moment Eastborne lol
[09:54] <GMT> Domlin: I'd suggest about 10km further south on A21 ... Robertsbridge
[09:54] <domlin> i dont think its going to be able to go that far haha
[09:55] <M0UPU> yeah I'd start to roll down the A21
[09:55] <domlin> already down to 13k
[09:55] <M0UPU> yeah but decent rate will fall now
[09:55] <M0UPU> ~ 4m/s at landing is my guess
[09:55] <G0DJA> Freq dropping as well
[09:55] <M0UPU> I'd go to Hurst Green
[09:55] <Hix> Got to Battle domlin , it's nearish the path and a nice place to wait
[09:56] <Hix> oh, no don't its coming up short of there now
[09:56] <f5apq> sorry i stop decode cheapo to weak now
[09:57] <jcoxon> lots of drift
[09:57] <M0UPU> yep
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[09:58] <S_Mark> domin is your gps gprs backup tracker on board?
[10:00] <Robint91> mhh
[10:00] <Robint91> It is me or is NSE gone?
[10:00] <M0UPU> its you
[10:00] <Robint91> Hix nope
[10:00] <M0UPU> :)
[10:00] <G0DJA> Robint91 getting weaker here
[10:00] <domlin> S_Mark: yep it is!
[10:01] <domlin> we're heading to robertsbridge on the a21 now
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[10:02] <M0UPU> fading here
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[10:03] <jcoxon> ooo just got better for me
[10:03] <M0UPU> that is one slow decent
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[10:04] <M0UPU> got to be balloon with it
[10:04] <M0UPU> PAVA did this
[10:04] <M0UPU> and then as it hit the clouds the balloon collapsed and it came down like a brick for the last 2000m
[10:04] <M0UPU> err 1000
[10:05] <M0UPU> it seems fairly consistent now domlin so would probably aim for Brightling
[10:07] <domlin> okay thanks M0UPU
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[10:08] <domlin> where is brightling haha
[10:08] <domlin> is it near robertsbridge?
[10:08] <M0UPU> lol
[10:08] <M0UPU> come down A21
[10:09] <domlin> we are :)
[10:09] <M0UPU> past Hursts Green
[10:10] <domlin> okay thanks :)
[10:10] <M0UPU> there is a roundabout with RObersbridge Historic Village
[10:10] <GMT> I'd suggest into Hurst Green, then right on A265 towards Heathrfield
[10:10] <M0UPU> turn right there
[10:11] <Robint91> when is AURA going up?
[10:11] <M0UPU> or at Hursts Green A265
[10:11] <M0UPU> either or
[10:11] <Robint91> nevermind
[10:11] <Robint91> 14:30UTC
[10:11] <Robint91> or 10:15UTC
[10:11] <Robint91> in a few minutes
[10:12] <x-f> Robint91, when NSE lands, as they both are on the same frequency
[10:14] <M0UPU> they can launch now it won't be an issue
[10:14] <M0UPU> right domlin :)
[10:14] <domlin> we're heading for the predicted landing site
[10:14] <M0UPU> yeah probably best
[10:15] <Willdude123> I know I have few friends when the first thing on my facebook news feed is MIT reporting a gunman.
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[10:16] <henk_> grrrrrrrrrrr still no waterfall screen
[10:17] <M0UPU> screen shot it henk_ ?
[10:17] <S_Mark> domlin can you check the backup sim card works - even if its an even recovery - we are flying the same backup tracker tomorrow
[10:17] <M0UPU> lets see whats going on
[10:18] <M0UPU> hey Habjoe
[10:18] <S_Mark> easy*
[10:18] <GMT> henk: configure ... waterfall ... check setting for 'height in pixels'
[10:18] <M0UPU> you're good to go if you're ready
[10:18] <M0MDB> S_Mark: what backup tracker are you using
[10:18] <G0DJA> Is the AURA shift correct in Autoconfigure? 900Hz !!
[10:18] <Habjoe> Hi all - small technical issue this morning....!!! Now sorted -AURA will start later at about 12noon - subject to previous launches finishing.
[10:19] <domlin> sure S_Mark we will use it to help us locate
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[10:19] <S_Mark> M0MDB, http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/backup-tracker-just-in-case.html
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[10:20] <henk_> iheight in pixels is 125 i see
[10:20] <M0MDB> I have used one a couple of times before - but forgot to try it as the radio recovery was so good S_Mark
[10:20] <M0UPU> Habjoe you can launch if you want
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[10:20] <M0MDB> was never sure weather to activate it before launch or when it was comming down
[10:21] <G0DJA> GMT can't find a setting for 'height in pixels' in Waterfall tab
[10:21] <S_Mark> ah ok cool
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[10:21] <henk_> HEIGHT IN PIXELS IS 125
[10:22] <henk_> OOPS CAPS LOCK
[10:22] <domlin> erm guys, i've just realised that we arent actually chasing the balloon
[10:22] <domlin> its chasing us
[10:22] <G0DJA> I have, however, found out how to get the RF frequency at top of scale instead of the audio :)
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[10:25] <jcoxon> domlin, wonder if its worth stopping and having a look for it
[10:25] <jcoxon> such clear skies
[10:25] <GMT> domlin: suggest continue on A265 until nearly Burwash, take a sharp left turn southeast towards Brightling
[10:25] <G0DJA> Which version of FLDigi are you using henk_ ?
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[10:26] <henk_> 3.21.50
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[10:27] <domlin> jcoxon: good idea we may try that when we can stop with no trees around us
[10:27] <domlin> and GMT thanks will do!
[10:27] <Hix_> domlin: you in two different cars?
[10:27] <Hix_> ahh update lag
[10:28] <domlin> no, we thought we'd confuse everyone and run the app twice
[10:28] <G0DJA> henk_ same here but can't see the height in pixels setting ?
[10:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> You might find a little change in course as it goes over the Northdowns ridge ....
[10:28] <henk_> ok
[10:29] <domlin> we've discovered theres a rather large antenna somewhere round here which is interfearing nicely with our decodes
[10:30] <G0DJA> Found it! Not in Display, it's in FTT processing !!
[10:30] <henk_> ah
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> You have the Heathfelkd TV mast not that far off
[10:30] <M0UPU> just look up domlin
[10:30] <M0UPU> :)
[10:31] <M0UPU> actually domlin
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[10:31] <M0UPU> burwash common looks like a hill
[10:31] <M0UPU> get to the top of that
[10:31] <M0UPU> and it might come in underneth you
[10:31] <domlin> yes M0UPU ? :)
[10:32] <domlin> we're on a very big hill at the momeny
[10:32] <domlin> moment*
[10:32] <M0UPU> ok
[10:32] <M0UPU> look north
[10:32] <M0UPU> and up
[10:32] <G0DJA> I've set mine to 160 (max) and closed and restarted program and don't notice any difference...
[10:33] <henk_> hmm maybe has this version no waterfall anymore
[10:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> does anyone have a dial freq for Aura? The radio will be unattended so I'm hoping it will catch it on the way up
[10:33] <GMT> I'm using same version; has waterfall
[10:33] <G0DJA> Dropping to 100 makes a slight difference so guess the range is not that great?
[10:33] <mfa298> henk_: are you starting the HAB version instead of the non HAB version
[10:33] <Willdude123> In the java decoder, is it possible to change the input without it crashing now?
[10:33] <Hix_> 434.650 junderwood_M0JCU
[10:33] <M0UPU> domlin I'd head back up to the A265
[10:33] <junderwood_M0JCU> That accurate? Wow
[10:34] <henk_> hab version yes
[10:34] <M0UPU> via Willingford lane
[10:34] <M0UPU> henk_ did you post a screen shot ?
[10:34] <G0DJA> henk_ you should see a waterfall
[10:34] <henk_> no\
[10:35] <GMT> Domlin: go northwest on Willingford Lane, back to A265
[10:37] <G0DJA> http://www.flickr.com/photos/62825935@N00/8664331831/
[10:37] <GMT> Domlin: to Burwash Weald on A265, turn right (east!) and landing sight is right there!
[10:37] <gonzo_> is steve launching today?
[10:38] <jcoxon> gonzo_, yup
[10:38] <gonzo_> pft, ok, have read the email
[10:38] <gonzo_> that's the trouble with daily dighests. they are always a day too late!
[10:38] <henk_> i you have the frequency in sight
[10:38] <henk_> not me
[10:39] <GMT> I think that NSE has landed
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[10:39] <craag> yep landed.
[10:40] <cuddykid> looks like it's picked a nice landing spot :)
[10:40] <henk_> on the police station landed hiohhihi
[10:40] <craag> Payload Altitude: 92m, Ground Elevation according to Gmaps API: 87.5m :)
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[10:40] <GMT> next to bog wood!
[10:40] <domlin> how the hell are we still decoding with no waterfall haha
[10:42] <jcoxon> now everyone turns their antennas towards Malvern...
[10:42] <henk_> na still no waterfull
[10:42] <henk_> fall
[10:42] <henk_> then not
[10:42] <cuddykid> probably be able to hear it from here (north of worcs) - I'll tune in
[10:42] <Steffanx> LOL, that sounds way too dutch henk_ "then not" :P
[10:43] <jcoxon> henk_, we need a screenshot really to help you
[10:43] <GMT> just checked NOTAMs ... NSE launch will only take place if balloon/payload goes northeast! Errrm!
[10:43] <henk_> haha
[10:44] <mfa298> well if you read your compass backwards that's close to north east :p
[10:44] <jcoxon> GMT, not much we can do now i guess
[10:44] <henk_> i have the program not on this pc
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[10:45] <jcoxon> henk_, windows?
[10:45] <cuddykid> ha, yeah, could plead ignorance - I thought the north arrow was south
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[10:46] <gonzo_> the OS maps show ASL as 90mtrs at the NES landing site. So looks like it's on the ground. Not in a tree
[10:46] <henk_> windows xp
[10:46] Nick change: Willdude123 -> willdude123_WILL
[10:46] Nick change: willdude123_WILL -> willdude123
[10:47] <henk_> the older versions worked fine dl fl digi
[10:48] <gonzo_> my notal had similar type restrictions. And the surface winds were acceptable. High up it was a different matter. But as the restriction was to avoid local airspace, I expected that a chang in direction aove that airspace was not an issue
[10:48] <jcoxon> henk_, does printscreen still work?
[10:48] <Morseman> henk_ I use dropbox to move screenshots between PCs
[10:49] <GMT> Just phoned Domlin and gave him details of landing spot; they're still receiving signal and just driving to landins spot
[10:49] <Morseman> In fact, thinking about it, I didn't have to use Flickr. I could have posted the dropbox URL on here - DOH!
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[10:50] Nick change: willdude123 -> willdude123_WILL
[10:50] <henk_> ok
[10:51] <mfa298> or upload directly to something like imgur
[10:52] <willdude123_WILL> So is this thing gonna launch?
[10:52] <willdude123_WILL> :P
[10:52] <Morseman> henk_ email it to me at dave at g0dja.co.uk (use @ instead of at of course) and I will post a URL link from my dropbox account
[10:53] <mfa298> willdude123_WILL: you just have to be patient, assuming no major problems it will launch at some point.
[10:53] <GMT> UPU: ping
[10:54] <griffonbot> @stratodean: Going through all our last minute checks ready for the big day tomorrow! #stratodeanlaunch #ukhas [http://twitter.com/stratodean/status/325563108087197696]
[10:54] Nick change: willdude123_WILL -> WILL
[10:55] Nick change: WILL -> Guest86505
[10:55] Nick change: Guest86505 -> W1LL
[10:55] <fsphil> will is a registered nick, you won't be able to use it :)
[10:55] <W1LL> Thought so.
[10:56] <W1LL> Never mind.
[10:56] <W1LL> Willdude123_WILL is a bit lengthy anyway.
[10:56] <fsphil> w1ll is too, but it doesn't seem to be protected
[10:57] <W1LL> Maybe it expired?
[10:57] <mfa298> you don't have to change your nick to match what's in dl-fldigi, only a few people do that
[10:57] <W1LL> But I prefer W1ll.
[10:57] <mfa298> I think by default registered nicks aren't protected, it's something you have to turn on
[10:58] <W1LL> So how do I steal it?
[10:58] <W1LL> :)
[10:59] <fsphil> registered 5 years ago, last used 18 weeks ago
[10:59] <fsphil> so you can't :)
[10:59] <mfa298> read the freenode FAQ, however if it's not being used you have to wait until its expired. If it is being used you'll find you get kicked off next time the person logs in
[11:00] <SpeedEvil> or pay the person
[11:00] <qyx_> just choose something else
[11:00] <W1LL> We consider IRC nicks expired after they have not been used for 10 weeks plus (at staffer discretion) one additional week per full year of registration, up to a maximum of five additional weeks. Nicks which are at least two weeks old and which were last used less than two hours after their creation are also considered to be expired.
[11:01] <W1LL> Sorry for the long paste.
[11:01] <W1LL> So it should have expited.
[11:01] <henk_> ggrrrrrrrrrrrr mail is not send dam
[11:01] <W1LL> *expired.
[11:02] <fsphil> there you go, worth asking
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[11:03] <mfa298> The key phrase in there is "We consider". i.e. they might consider it expired but the system may not. I think there's another entry about what to do if you want to take over a nick that is considered exired
[11:04] <mfa298> I think the actual DB is only cleaned up from time to time so it might require a manual process to actually expire it
[11:04] <Steffanx> Yeah, that's the next question mfa298 :)
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[11:04] <Steffanx> *hm, the one after that
[11:04] <chrisg7ogx> after logging in here is there a way to read the previous text?
[11:05] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx: either get a proper IRC client and leave it logged in all the time, or look at the irc logs for this channel on habhub
[11:05] <chrisg7ogx> tks mfa298
[11:06] <SpeedEvil> you need to get an admin to drop it
[11:07] <SpeedEvil> it's a manual process
[11:07] <chrisg7ogx> going to have a go with, mIRC
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[11:08] <M0TEK> i think looking at the habhub logs might be easier for you in principle though
[11:08] <M0TEK> they're at habhub.org/zeusbot
[11:09] Nick change: M0TEK -> eroomde
[11:10] <chrisg7ogx> m0tek tks yes easy! I'm concious of asking stuff that was probably asked 10 minutes ago and am trying to avoid repetition
[11:11] <GMT> 'OGX, I use mIRC ... good prog
[11:11] <eroomde> it's the sign of wisdom and seniority :)
[11:12] <WILLdude> You could try Irssi, if you have a server?
[11:13] <WILLdude> Just discovered MemoServ.
[11:13] <WILLdude> Happy Day.
[11:13] <chrisg7ogx> great weather here
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[11:15] <chrisg7ogx> can't find highaltitude
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[11:16] <eroomde> chrisg7ogx: it's definitely connected to irc.freenode.net ?
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[11:18] <M0UPU> back GMT
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[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> How's AURA doing ?
[11:20] <M0UPU> afk getting a bite to eat
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[11:21] <GMT> UPU, that URL for cheap GPSs ...
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[11:21] <jcoxon> we should have a setting on spacenear.us that turns off the horizon lines for landed payloads
[11:22] <chrisg7ogx> yes gets a bit cluttered
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[11:22] <cuddykid> etl for Aura?
[11:22] <mfa298> possibly even the ability to hide a lot of the info boxes. it get's quite cluttered - especially on a netbook screen
[11:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Perhaps under client control
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[11:25] <S_Mark> any news on Aura?
[11:25] <cuddykid> Habjoe: any updates?
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[11:28] <domlin-Xperia> Recovered :)
[11:28] <cuddykid> excellent
[11:28] <S_Mark> good work
[11:28] <mfa298> domlin-Xperia: congratulations
[11:28] <GMT> excellent! hope my phone call didn't surprise you
[11:28] <domlin-Xperia> Thank you guys!
[11:29] <domlin-Xperia> Haha we initially thought you were someone that had found it gmt :p
[11:29] <domlin-Xperia> But thank you very much for the help :)
[11:31] <Morseman> henk_ problems with email? Not seen anythning in my inbox yet
[11:33] <henk_> yes he says server refuse the mail adress
[11:33] <henk_> send a mail to pa3hdm@home.nl
[11:34] <chrisg7ogx> any news for Habjoe and Aura? Need to work chores around balloons!!
[11:35] <henk_> i hear nothing on the 70 cm
[11:35] <M0UPU> oh yes GMT link ?
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[11:36] <Morseman> OK henk_ email sent
[11:36] <M0UPU> NSE / cheapo recovered ?
[11:36] <x-f> yep
[11:36] <henk_> yes got your mail
[11:36] <domlin-Xperia> Yes M0UPU :)
[11:36] <M0UPU> super
[11:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've done my Camper chores, tryin to work out wether to have a sandwich before the next flight ;-)
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[11:37] <GMT> UPU: here, or private chat?
[11:37] <M0UPU> I pmd you
[11:38] <chrisg7ogx> need to cut meadow that is called a lawn!
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[11:39] <Morseman> henk_ I've sent an email from my gmail email address instead of my at g0dja.co.uk one
[11:41] <henk_> ok
[11:42] <jcoxon> shall we clear aura, as there are a lot of points of it just on the ground
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[11:43] <GMT> clear HORUS, NSE (recovered!), NSE_chase, and the chase car in central London?
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[11:44] <jcoxon> GMT, you'll need to refresh spacenear.us
[11:44] <jcoxon> only 3 things on it now
[11:44] <G4MYS> Is there any evidence AURA is airbourne? I hear noting and the map is fairly stationary Andy G4MYS
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[11:45] <craag> G4MYS: Not yet.
[11:45] <Morseman> henk_ can you send a screen shot of the FLDigi screen showing the waterfall problem please?
[11:45] <henk_> dam screenshot not working
[11:46] <cuddykid> up
[11:46] <cuddykid> I think
[11:46] <cuddykid> listening in here
[11:47] <G4MYS> CRAAG See AURA seems to be on the move many thanks
[11:47] <Morseman> Take a picture with camera and send that - May be easier?
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[11:47] <mfa298> that looks a bit like it could be a launch
[11:48] <cuddykid> got AURA
[11:48] <cuddykid> USB 650.35
[11:49] <M0UPU> still on the ground cuddykid :)
[11:49] <cuddykid> nope
[11:49] Nick change: M0UPU -> Upu_M0UPU
[11:49] <cuddykid> thinks it's up
[11:49] <Upu_M0UPU> so it is
[11:49] <S_Mark> i have it
[11:49] <cuddykid> 425 shift
[11:50] <cuddykid> lots of noise here
[11:50] <Upu_M0UPU> proper ascent rate :)
[11:50] <cuddykid> decoding :)
[11:50] <mfa298> i think I can see it starting to appear in southampton
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Solid here, not suprising !
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[11:51] <cuddykid> so much noise here
[11:51] <cuddykid> which now seems to have stopped
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> can see it
[11:51] <mfa298> just partials at the moment but its getting stronger
[11:51] <S_Mark> woohoo aquafresh tracker
[11:52] <G4MYS> getting sigs on 434.651.8 MHz cant yet sesolve southsmpton
[11:53] <cuddykid> can't believe I can't get a proper decode here - looks solid on the waterfall
[11:54] <G0DJA> Looks like AURA is nearer 410 than the 900 autoconfigure set...
[11:54] <cuddykid> 450
[11:54] <cuddykid> 425 rather
[11:54] <mfa298> G4MYS: you should be able to soon, I've jsut started getting good decodes but I think I might have a few meters of height to help
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[11:54] <G4MYS> I can hear it but cant decode it!! Andy G4MYS Southampton
[11:54] <G0DJA> Problems with fading again
[11:54] <cuddykid> argh, the local noise has come back
[11:55] <GMT> good decodes, but all the numbers are 'wrong'
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> NMEA syle lat long
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh no intger lat/long style
[11:56] <GMT> so all the bearing and distance stuff is screwy
[11:56] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[11:57] <Babs__> Is Aura still on 434.651.8 MHz or has it drifted?
[11:57] <fsphil> nmea style needs to be burned with fire
[11:57] <griffonbot> @gonbuddie: RT @stratodean: Going through all our last minute checks ready for the big day tomorrow! #stratodeanlaunch #ukhas [http://twitter.com/gonbuddie/status/325578952376713216]
[11:58] <cuddykid> Babs__: 650.70 here
[11:58] <G4MYS> very strong on 434.652.290Mhz but cant resolve in southampton radio is Fairhaven and WX1 colinear at 35fft
[11:58] <mfa298> G4MYS: if you havn't already you might need to change the shift manually, the setting in autoconfig is much too wide.
[11:58] <G0DJA> Something wrong with the Longitude?
[11:59] <S_Mark> he's missing the decimal points?
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434,649,600 for me
[11:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> drifitng high
[11:59] <S_Mark> should be 52.12 and -2.31
[11:59] <S_Mark> or no?
[11:59] <G0DJA> No decimal points - FLDigi giving weird dist/bearing calcs!
[11:59] <fsphil> it's the nmea format
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[12:00] <S_Mark> super strong signal
[12:00] <WILLdude> Anyone know what this could be http://imageupload.co.uk/viewer.php?file=oss2731zx0g12mrv5gdq.png
[12:00] <G0DJA> AH
[12:00] <fsphil> local noise WILLdude
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[12:01] <Babs__> Thanks cuddykid and geoff-g8dhe
[12:01] <mfa298> it looks like a mirror of whats on a higher frequency
[12:01] <cuddykid> something dodgy is going on around me today - unusual as there's never normally anything around here
[12:01] <henk_> hmm maybe vwireles weather station
[12:01] <fsphil> probably out of band
[12:01] <fsphil> strong out of band signals can show up like that
[12:01] <Randomskk> ugh, I wish I still had my colinear
[12:01] <Randomskk> not a peep here, but G8KNN is getting it :|
[12:02] <cuddykid> right over head - wonder if Habjoe can see it
[12:02] <fsphil> this one is nearer me, hopefully will get a good signal from it
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[12:02] <henk_> no signal here yet
[12:02] <kpiman> how do i get location to show on map?
[12:02] <mfa298> at first I thought it hadn't moved on the map, but now I see it doubled back on itself
[12:03] <G4MYS> theres all sorts in this band, Hams military car fobs temp sensors meter readers you name it it lurks hear all jabbering away!
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[12:03] <Chrisstubbs> Hey all!
[12:03] <Chrisstubbs> great success for NSE :)
[12:03] <WILLdude> Hi Chris.
[12:03] <mfa298> well done Chrisstubbs
[12:03] <Upu_M0UPU> hey kpiman fill in the operator information in dl-fldigi
[12:03] <Upu_M0UPU> its under DL Client -> Configure
[12:03] <S_Mark> Well done Chrisstubbs
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> It also takes a while to appear at least it did for me this morning ....
[12:04] <Chrisstubbs> cheers guys :) few hiccups but ok in the end, sitting in the pub with Dom now watching the 808 footage back
[12:04] <jcoxon> dial freq?
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[12:04] <WILLdude> As the green circle slowly approaches me, I wonder if I'll ever receive it.
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434,650,400
[12:04] <WILLdude> How high will this one go?
[12:05] <mfa298> WILLdude: the only way to find out is to try
[12:05] <mfa298> if you're in the blue circle it should be possible to recieve it
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[12:05] <Upu_M0UPU> will dude you're on the wrong frequency
[12:05] <WILLdude> Can't see a blue one.
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[12:06] <mfa298> WILLdude: the blue circle is approaching france
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[12:06] <WILLdude> I was looking at the green one.
[12:06] <WILLdude> What's the green one.
[12:06] <S_Mark> anyone know what balloon aura is?
[12:06] <mfa298> blue is the horizon, green is 5 degrees above the horizon
[12:06] <G0DJA> I'm getting it on 434.652.87 here !!
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[12:07] <Habjoe> Sorry about that folks ... moreproblems than I could shake a stick at....! Thanks for Tracking.
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[12:08] <Robint91> is NSE retrieved?
[12:08] <WILLdude> Also
[12:08] <WILLdude> http://www.imageupload.co.uk/viewer.php?file=lindtufq6mgth1ylvssd.png
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[12:08] <WILLdude> What's that?
[12:08] <WILLdude> Local interference again?
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[12:08] <G0DJA> Still lots of bad decodes here - I'm obviously doing something wrong - appart from the cross polarisation of course. :(
[12:09] <mfa298> WILLdude: it's hard to tell from just a screen shot.
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[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is the audio level OK, Triangle lower right corner should be green
[12:09] <G0DJA> That's not it WILLdude
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[12:10] <Habjoe> Hi - how is the signal is it bad?
[12:10] <GMT> Will, click on 'Correct IQ' to see if it makes the central peak disappear
[12:10] <G0DJA> Geoff-G8DHE yes and yes
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sql turned off, AFC on ?
[12:10] <G0DJA> Random decode errors all the time
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[12:10] <GMT> Habjoe: signal here in London is nice and clear, steady, not drifting too much.
[12:11] <G0DJA> Geoff-G8DHE agan yes and yes
[12:11] <G0DJA> again
[12:11] <Babs__> GMT - where are you located/how high is your antenna?
[12:11] <Habjoe> Ok thanks
[12:11] <Babs__> or is the clue in the callsign?
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[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shift set correct ? Othewise it might just be spikey noise ?
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[12:11] <GMT> Babs: I'm in Hayes, ant is colinear at 6 metres
[12:11] <henk_> no signal here in nl
[12:12] <kpiman> detail entered in stationary listener but still not visible
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[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> It took 30+ mintes to log me this morning at a new location
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[12:12] <Habjoe> The problems I had this morning were with the transmitter. So a little nervious....!
[12:13] <G4MYS> sometimes only a reset does it decodeing OK now G4MYS
[12:13] <Babs__> I'm getting something here in Fulham, but struggling to decode. I'll give it a few minutes
[12:13] <fsphil> reload dl-fldigi, it uploads the position on startup
[12:13] <GMT> Habjoe, the lat/long figures don't have decimal places
[12:13] <fsphil> also the map doesn't update listeners instantly
[12:13] <G0DJA> I've used custom to set the shift
[12:13] <GMT> Babs, what antenna?
[12:13] <mfa298> Habjoe: it's been pretty good during the flight so far, nice strong signal
[12:13] <Habjoe> yes, they are corrected by Spacenear us.
[12:14] <Upu_M0UPU> could have flown this and NSE together :)
[12:14] <GMT> Habjoe: makes fl-digi show odd values, your alt is 1127160
[12:14] <GMT> elevation from me is -81
[12:15] <cuddykid> looks like it's going to land near where my balloons often land - it's lovely around chipping norton - perfect HAB landing territory
[12:15] <mfa298> G4MYS: if you put your lat, long, altitude and callsign into dl-fldigi you should appear on the map as well.
[12:15] <Hix> Chrisstubbs: recovered? IRC failed here
[12:15] <Chrisstubbs> Robint91 yes we have nse
[12:15] <fsphil> receiving aura
[12:15] <g4fui> Loud and clear in Penrith, telemetry solid
[12:15] <Chrisstubbs> yeah hix
[12:15] <Robint91> Chrisstubbs, nice and cheapo?
[12:15] <Hix> cool, nice one
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[12:16] <G0DJA> Here's a screenshot showing some of the nearly ut not quite decodes https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65397105/AURA%20200413%20Decodes.JPG
[12:16] <Randomskk> dial f?
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[12:16] <kpiman> restart has done it thanks. (Doncaster)
[12:16] <Babs__> 70cm colinear
[12:16] <Babs__> gmt
[12:18] <Habjoe> ... rate of ascent is reducing...!
[12:18] <Habjoe> ...!
[12:18] <G0DJA> Only takes one small fade to ruin the decode - Must get the vertical back up in the air!!
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[12:19] <henk_> found it morseman it is work again the waterfall
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks very fluttery signal
[12:19] <fsphil> stable here
[12:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> compared to mine here on a smal vertial
[12:19] <fsphil> a bit wobbly but not unusually so
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[12:20] <Babs__> Bingo. Receiving Aura.
[12:20] <henk_> antenna diamond x 5000 14 meters above the ground receiver kenwood ts-790e
[12:20] <Randomskk> dial freq for aura anyone?
[12:20] <fsphil> 434.650ish :)
[12:20] <GMT> ... gotta go out for a few hours, will leave everything running
[12:21] <fsphil> my sdr is on 651
[12:21] <fsphil> but I don't believe it's very accurate
[12:21] <Babs__> 651.95
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[12:21] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.652
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[12:23] <fsphil> I can hear it now
[12:23] <Hix> I'm getting AURA on 434.653 here
[12:23] <fsphil> and got a decode
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[12:24] <fsphil> right, heading out for lunch
[12:24] <WILLdude> Still nothing of AURA.
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[12:25] <G0DJA> 434.653.54 (1100 Hz up)
[12:25] <fsphil> if there's one thing I've learned about dial frequencies, is they're so inaccurate as to be useless
[12:25] <Upu_M0UPU> where is your antenna WILLdude ?
[12:25] <mfa298> WILLdude: you probably want the antenna out the north or west side of the house, and look around 434.653 for a signal
[12:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> fsphil, it depends on the radio
[12:25] <junderwood_M0JCU> for FCD - yes
[12:25] <fsphil> don't tune your SDR directly to the frequency
[12:26] <fsphil> tune it +/- some amount
[12:26] <junderwood_M0JCU> for a decent amateur rig they're pretty good
[12:26] <fsphil> junderwood_M0JCU: true. this is an fcd
[12:26] <fsphil> right, bbl
[12:26] <mfa298> with the sdr's the dial freq shouldn't be needed as much, you should be able to go to the general area and see it on the waterfall
[12:27] <WILLdude> Upu: Out of my window.
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> see PM WILLdude
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[12:28] <WillDuckworth> ok - firing up radio
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[12:31] <cuddykid> afternoon Will
[12:31] <WillDuckworth> hiya
[12:31] <henk_> hi
[12:32] <eroomde> Upu_M0UPU / arko: you have to watch this.
[12:32] <eroomde> tacked onto the end of a mike electric stuff teardown video of a specan
[12:32] <eroomde> http://youtu.be/eyA2lWQrxwg?t=16m50s
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[12:34] <Upu_M0UPU> watching
[12:34] <ON5RZ> starting to hear AURA here in JO21ed
[12:35] <henk_> nothing in jo33bg
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[12:36] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[12:36] <Upu_M0UPU> pentagrams and 666's
[12:36] <eroomde> amusing
[12:37] <WillDuckworth> what are the settings for this flight? the shift seems weird
[12:37] <nommo> afternoon all
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[12:37] <Upu_M0UPU> shift is 390
[12:39] <henk_> good afternoon
[12:41] <nommo> looks like AURA is just going to avoid the airspace above my house :)
[12:42] <Robint91> whzt id
[12:42] <Robint91> what is the f for aura?
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[12:43] <henk_> weak signal is coming in in the noise
[12:43] <g4fui> I have 434.6544
[12:44] <cuddykid> slightly odd ascent rate - seems to be slowing as the flight goes on
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[12:47] <G4MYS> currently have it as 434.654.027 +- dial calibration S meter starting to rise in Southampton G4MYS
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[12:47] <nommo> is there a blog post about AURA anywhere?
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[12:49] <Hix> AURA seems pretty strong and very stable
[12:49] <Hix> my yagi is pointing through the room again, so got most of the house to travel through
[12:50] <henk_> decoding now
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[12:52] <WILLdude> No signal :(
[12:54] <PE2G> DX 575 km, I think: http://s9.postimg.org/4462pdnlr/Screen809.jpg
[12:55] <jcoxon> any ideas for trailer mounted masts that could be used at hte hackspace
[12:55] <henk_> gaat mooi pe2g
[12:55] <PE2G> Indeed
[12:56] <Hix> ping Upu_M0UPU
[12:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.tennamast.com/en/ are good
[12:57] <Hix> Got some size issues with replacing the RF connector on my E4000 dongle http://i.imgur.com/FOjFQBQ.jpg
[12:58] <Hix> is there a BNC equiv i could use instead?
[12:58] <Darkside> you want the long connectors
[12:58] <Darkside> upu sells them
[12:58] <Maxell> So many people decoding :-) G4FUI, ASTRA, ASTRA_NOT_FLDIGI, 2E0KPI, M0JCU, PA3HDM, APEXHAB, RevSpace, MI0VIM, G4GUO, M0UPU-1, M0UPU, F5APQ, PE2G, G8KNN-1, G6SUQ, G0DJA, M1ARI, M0MDB, G8KNN, Hix, G8DHE-M, A-CUD
[12:58] <Darkside> Hix: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_66&product_id=72
[12:58] <Hix> it's the width thats the issue
[12:58] <Maxell> lol higlihg
[12:58] <Darkside> scrape off the soldermask
[12:59] <Darkside> and solder it down
[12:59] <Hix> they seem to have the E400 chip in them too http://i.imgur.com/tnNTTLY.jpg
[12:59] <Darkside> e4000 isn't the be all and end all
[12:59] <Darkside> R820T is better afaik
[12:59] <Darkside> ayway
[12:59] <Darkside> anyway
[12:59] <Hix> the one I use is R820T
[12:59] <Darkside> you can scrape off the soldermask and get to the ground plane easy enough
[13:00] <Hix> i heard E4000 was better, bought both for <£20
[13:00] <Hix> so you're saying not to worry about the sides not being mounted Darkside
[13:00] <Hix> i could epoxy it to secure it
[13:00] <Darkside> you want the ground connections soldered down, of course
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[13:01] <Hix> sure on the end but the sides are a few mm away from the connector
[13:01] <Darkside> what i'm saying is to do that, you scrape the soldermask off where the ground pins go, and soldered them down
[13:01] <Darkside> thats why ou use the long conenctor
[13:01] <Darkside> so it protrudes out the case
[13:01] <Hix> just epoxy the sides to secure?
[13:01] <Darkside> http://rfhead.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/hwnbQ.jpg
[13:01] <Darkside> look at what i do there
[13:01] <Hix> I've got an SMA-BNC which extends it enough
[13:01] <Darkside> similar idea
[13:03] <Hix> AURA is really stable and the signal is excellent must be well insulated
[13:04] <ON5RZ> decodng at last ..
[13:05] <jcoxon> Randomskk, found your colinear in teh hackspace
[13:05] <Randomskk> jcoxon: oh haha
[13:05] <Randomskk> when was that?
[13:05] <Randomskk> and which hackspace?
[13:05] <jcoxon> london - new
[13:05] <Randomskk> oh cool
[13:05] <Randomskk> it got moved huh
[13:05] <Randomskk> was there a big coil of coax near it perchance? :P
[13:05] <jcoxon> yeah but with n-type
[13:05] <Randomskk> yea
[13:05] <Randomskk> the colinear is n-type too
[13:05] <jcoxon> i was going to use it but it won't attach
[13:06] <Randomskk> that's also my coax :P w103
[13:06] <jcoxon> to my yagi
[13:06] <Randomskk> ah
[13:06] <jcoxon> hehe
[13:06] <Maxell> ai, ai.. '$$$$AurA,1140,13:05:15,5206219,-178893,2616350,20,160,0,247,9*2D0'
[13:06] <Randomskk> there should have been an n-pl256 adapter on it, but idk what happened to that
[13:06] <Randomskk> when was that?
[13:06] <jcoxon> i'm here now
[13:06] <Randomskk> oh cool
[13:06] <Randomskk> neither end of the coax has the adapter on?
[13:07] <jcoxon> it has an adapter but its still n-type
[13:07] <jcoxon> is it a filter perhaps
[13:07] <Randomskk> might be an n-n coupler
[13:07] <jcoxon> yeah
[13:07] <Randomskk> yea that was for sticking together lengths of coax
[13:07] <Randomskk> oh well, shame the n-pl259 adapter isn't on it
[13:08] <Randomskk> is it safe? I should really go pick it up some time
[13:08] <Randomskk> not sure how it's not been thrown out yet
[13:08] <jcoxon> yeah its safe
[13:08] <Randomskk> sweet
[13:08] <jcoxon> i'd offer to take it home for you but i don't think helen will appreciate another antenna in the house
[13:09] <Upu_M0UPU> hey Hix
[13:09] <Randomskk> jcoxon: hehe np, I'm sure I'll be checking out the new space one day soon
[13:09] <jcoxon> i've also learnt that the hackspace's north wall is very radio-opaque
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[13:15] <Hix> Hi Upu_M0UPU the other dongle from cozycave it is an E4000
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[13:15] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/tnNTTLY.jpg#
[13:15] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/tnNTTLY.jpg
[13:15] <Hix> oops
[13:15] <Upu_M0UPU> fair enough see how you get on with it
[13:17] <Robint91> mhh 5777km DX to aura
[13:17] <Robint91> mhh something is off here
[13:17] <Upu_M0UPU> yes.. :)
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[13:17] <Hix> just hope i can mod it before AURA bursts, a great signal to test with
[13:17] <Upu_M0UPU> its because of the telemetry format
[13:18] <Robint91> Upu_M0UPU, what is the format?
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> its the format that comes off the GPS chip raw
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> without any formating
[13:18] <Robint91> ah okay
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> when you're not using NMEA
[13:20] <henk_> 8618 km hahhahahahha
[13:20] <henk_> he is drunk\
[13:20] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o8TssbmY-GM
[13:21] <Robint91> henk_,
[13:21] <Robint91> 1.492e+004km
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> burst
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> possibly ?
[13:22] <ON5RZ> yup
[13:22] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[13:22] <ON5RZ> going down
[13:22] <Hix> shi&%^$
[13:22] <Hix> nearly there too
[13:23] <jcoxon> send eroomde to recover
[13:24] <eroomde> eroomde is about to go to the seaside
[13:25] <gonzo_> sounds like a good place to recover
[13:26] <eroomde> from a hangover maybe
[13:26] <henk_> yep still good signal
[13:29] <henk_> now no decoding anymore
[13:31] <ON5RZ> idd henk still audible but no decoding here in antwerp
[13:31] <henk_> ok
[13:33] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[13:33] <henk_> nothing then noise now
[13:33] <Upu_M0UPU> there are a few more going up in an hour or so
[13:33] <ON5RZ> nothing but ;-)
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[13:38] <Hix> Right dongle done, pics to follow
[13:38] <Hix> anyone here use SDR#?
[13:38] <Hix> Realtek 2832U not showing up in SDR#
[13:38] <Hix> images of the mod;
[13:38] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/WpZEFYJ.jpg
[13:38] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/s05EcqD.jpg
[13:38] <mfa298> Hix: have you added the extra files
[13:39] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/Zw4pqWe.jpg
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[13:39] <Hix> mfa298: extra files?
[13:39] <mfa298> I've used sdr-nightly, sdr-nightly-rtl and theres another dll from something else you need as well
[13:40] <mfa298> if you havn't already you'll also need to do drivers with zadig
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> SDR-Raduio is much nicer ! I switched about a month ago well worth it
[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> *Radio
[13:40] <Hix> i've set up the Newsky TV28T RTL 2832U / R820T
[13:40] <Hix> which works fine so believe I've added everything
[13:40] <mfa298> I'm mostly using sdr-radio as well these days,
[13:41] <Hix> though there may be different files for the 2832 / E4000?
[13:41] <mfa298> Hix: that probably means you've got all the bits for sdr#
[13:41] <Hix> is that win compatible?
[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its the multi-channel aspect that wins it for me
[13:41] <mfa298> but you might need to use zadig to setup new drivers for the e4000
[13:41] <Hix> ah yes win comp
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[13:41] <mfa298> sdr-radio is windows only
[13:41] <G0DJA> I'm not showing up on receivers again. I think spacenear.us has me black listed :)
[13:42] <Hix> I'll try that, do i need to do anything else on sdr-radio?
[13:42] <Hix> in a bit of a hurry so i can catch flights to test
[13:42] <mfa298> the multiple vfo's and being able to change sound card on the fly are the best features in it.
[13:42] <craag> wow. so. many. trackers!
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ypu need the normal viag loader to put the DLL in place that's all
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[13:42] <G0DJA> What's up with the height and seial numbers? Did it reset or go round the clock on serial numbers?
[13:42] <g4fui> Aura gone now - horizon plot pretty well spot on!
[13:43] <Hix> viag loader Geoff-G8DHE ?
[13:43] <G0DJA> FLDigi reckons that it's at 752730 !!
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> To put the USB interface software in place same as SDR#
[13:43] <mfa298> Hix: what ever software you use you'll need to do the drivers with zadig (and that will be per device), for sdr-radio you'll need the software and from the same site some files for the rtl dongle
[13:44] <Babs__> quick one - hab antennas - any advantage for braided over solid core wire?
[13:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> My error yes its zdiag
[13:44] <Hix> ok, cheers for the pointers
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[13:44] <mfa298> craag: looking at the stats earlier Ithink I counted 40 trackers and at least 4 differnt countries
[13:44] <eroomde> Babs__: on the ballon itself? not particuarly from an rf pov
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[13:44] <eroomde> mechanically, flexibility obviously
[13:44] <G0DJA> AH! I think the other PC lost connection to the router...
[13:45] <mfa298> Hix: I suspect the zadig bit is the the issue if you've not run it for this dongle.
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[13:45] <Hix> ok, looking now, forgotten what i did when i installed the other one
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[13:46] <craag> mfa298: Incredible. Should give steve's 600bd payload a chance though!
[13:47] <Babs__> eroomde, yes on the balloon. I didn't think so either but thought I'd check - these are for the radials, I was going to do the antenna in braided anyway given i will bend and tape in the horizontal plane until launch, and wouldnt want it fracturing when i unwound it
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[13:48] <Babs__> going to use something along the lines of the eroomde (TM) cable tie/pipe cladding move when I am out in the field
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[13:48] <G0DJA> Signal lost here just now
[13:48] <eroomde> it works. and it's non-stabby
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[13:49] <RocketBoy> any guys from aura on here
[13:49] <RocketBoy> ?
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> you should be ok RocketBoy
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> its nearly down
[13:50] <RocketBoy> we are planning to launch in about 30 min
[13:50] <RocketBoy> cheers
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> will be fine you could go sooner
[13:50] <x-f> very fast descent for AURA :/
[13:50] <RocketBoy> i noticed
[13:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> 863m and falling
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> in fact you can go now its down
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> in a crater somewhere
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[13:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> Gone
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[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Me too
[13:51] <junderwood_M0JCU> A parachute might have been a good idea for that one
[13:51] <G0DJA> Is HabLab really going to be an 850Hz shift? !
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[13:51] <Upu_M0UPU> right back in 30 then
[13:51] <number10_M0MDB> have we got any frequencies yet for xaben RocketBoy
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[13:51] <craag> G0DJA: It's 600 baud, so needs a >=600 shift.
[13:52] <mfa298> looking at the graph it looks like decsent was slowing down and then sped up again at around 6km
[13:52] <G0DJA> It also says 7N1 on the tracker, but autoconfigure says 7N2 ?
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[13:52] <junderwood_M0JCU> Looks like Aura has phoned home
[13:52] <G0DJA> AH, OK Craag haddn't spotted the higher baudrate !
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[13:53] <craag> Yeah, 600 baud is fun :D
[13:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> Easy recovery in Churchill, south of Chippy
[13:53] <G0DJA> Are those flights from Elsworth still on?
[13:54] <G0DJA> Not keen on 600 baud - twice the number of no decodes LOL
[13:54] <RocketBoy> its 434.650 for the queen mary flights - 1st one in 20 mins
[13:54] <number10_M0MDB> ok
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[13:59] <jcoxon> thats going to be a nice recovery
[14:00] <jcoxon> no trees, near the road
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[14:01] <Darkside> you see, we though tthat about the launch 2 weekends go too
[14:01] <Darkside> but then we found out the sat imagery was 4 years old
[14:01] <Darkside> and there was a new gum plantation there
[14:02] <jcoxon> not expecting a gum plantation :-)
[14:02] <jcoxon> Darkside, could you add your pico data to the pico data wiki page
[14:03] <Darkside> i did
[14:03] <nommo> n00b question: how is AURA calling home? HABJOE-GPRS is the receiver - so I am guessing via GPRS somehow?
[14:03] <jcoxon> Darkside, thanks!
[14:04] <jcoxon> interesting that gas was still inside
[14:04] <Darkside> it was fun though
[14:04] <Darkside> i got to make a bunch of phone calls with helium voice
[14:04] <jcoxon> need to get 0.8m/s
[14:04] <Darkside> the tear was tiny
[14:04] <Darkside> i put a pic on twitter
[14:05] <Darkside> maybe 6mm long, near the neck
[14:05] <jcoxon> i guess just enough to release the pressure
[14:05] <Darkside> yup
[14:05] <jcoxon> then slow descent
[14:05] <Darkside> and drop the neck lift just below the weight of the payload i guess
[14:06] <Darkside> the balloon got a bit of rough handling on the way to the launch site
[14:06] <Darkside> filled on level 9 of a building (hackerspace)
[14:06] <Darkside> walked to the car, then driven to the launch site
[14:06] <Darkside> problem was we couldn't move the damn helium cylinder out of hackerspace
[14:06] <Darkside> G cylinder..
[14:06] <Darkside> won't fit in any of our cars
[14:07] <jcoxon> yeah i've had that problem before
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[14:08] <Darkside> payload was tiny :-)
[14:08] <Darkside> 20.9 grams
[14:08] <jcoxon> nice work
[14:08] <jcoxon> you going to try again?
[14:08] <Darkside> yeah, i have a few more foils
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[14:08] <Darkside> they have a different neck though
[14:09] <Darkside> look more like the one on the pico 'guide' page
[14:09] <Darkside> i couldn't get gas into the with the party balloon filler i was using
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[14:09] <Darkside> into them*
[14:09] <Darkside> so switched to the green shiny foils
[14:09] <Darkside> which i still had one of
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[14:10] <Hix> strange, i needed to use a different usb port that the other dongle then it was recognised
[14:11] <mfa298> Hix: sounds like windows driver fun and games
[14:11] <Hix> pita
[14:12] <mfa298> I think I've got at least 5 FCD line in's now depending on which usb port or which usb hub I'm using.
[14:13] <Darkside> sleep time for me
[14:13] <Darkside> nn
[14:13] <Hix> bye Darkside
[14:14] <Hix> just need a balloon now to get the offset right again, that was a chore last time i do remember
[14:15] <mfa298> I've tried tuning against different things and found I've needed different offsets.
[14:16] <mfa298> although a couple of things have given me around 12ppm so that's what I'm sticking with on the rtl
[14:17] <Hix> none of RocketBoy's balloons showing up yet? Thought ~15mins to go
[14:19] <mfa298> seeing what most of his launches are like they'll appear on the map just before the go up.
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[14:25] <RocketBoy> delay - problems with the tx
[14:27] <RocketBoy> now decoding ok
[14:27] <RocketBoy> but not on map?
[14:27] <Upu_M0UPU> nope checking logds
[14:27] <RocketBoy> cheers
[14:28] <Upu_M0UPU> QMULS1
[14:28] <Upu_M0UPU> [2013-04-20 14:27:38,261] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: ValueError: Incorrect number of fields (got 6, expect 11)
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[14:28] <Upu_M0UPU> doc is wrong
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[14:31] <Upu_M0UPU> being looked at RocketBoy
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[14:33] <Upu_M0UPU> todays special words are "pre launch testing"
[14:33] <chrisstubbs> lol
[14:33] <chrisstubbs> Just got home, thanks for your help getting cheapo on the tracker Upu_M0UPU
[14:33] <LazyLeopard> Oops...
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> welcome chrisstubbs
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> send thanks to DanielRichman he fixed it
[14:34] <chrisstubbs> Thank you DanielRichman :)
[14:34] <chrisstubbs> last time i use integers for anything...
[14:34] <Upu_M0UPU> don't disturb him just yet he's fixing something else :)
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[14:35] <craag> chrisstubbs: What went wrong with the integers?
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[14:35] <Randomskk> just %06i instead of %i to zero pad properly
[14:35] <craag> ah zero padding
[14:35] <chrisstubbs> the time was missing the first 0 so it didnt parse, 64500 instead of 064500
[14:35] <chrisstubbs> yeah :)
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[14:36] <Upu_M0UPU> QMULS1 up RocketBoy
[14:36] <mfa298> sounds like it really needed pre-launch testing at a similar time to when the launch is planned, horrible time dependant bugs.
[14:37] <Morseman> henk_ just seen your earlier message - Glad it's working again - What was the problem?
[14:37] <g7ogxchris> he's not lying it's on the map!
[14:37] <chrisstubbs> Yes will bear that in mind, will post some pics in a sec to explain why CHEAPO was giving a bad signal
[14:38] <HixPad> Upu_M0UPU: Was that a statement or a question
[14:38] <Upu_M0UPU> which ?
[14:38] <craag> HixPad: statement, it's on the map.
[14:38] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry on the map
[14:40] <g7ogxchris> as Yoda would say on the map it is
[14:40] <HixPad> Ah cool time to go back inside and test the E4000 then 434.650 yes?
[14:41] <RocketBoy> cheers upu
[14:41] <Upu_M0UPU> get screen shots chrisstubbs will probably clear tracker this evening
[14:41] <chrisstubbs> thanks upu on the case now :)
[14:42] <g7ogxchris> g8khw has received it
[14:42] <Upu_M0UPU> thats Steve at launch location g7ogxchris
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[14:42] <RocketBoy> burst on this one is 19Km if someone wants to change the predicter
[14:42] <Upu_M0UPU> nps I'll update that now
[14:42] <RocketBoy> 5m/s each way
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[14:43] <g7ogxchris> tks upu..bearing goes to him at Felixstowe
[14:44] <Upu_M0UPU> thats his home
[14:44] <chrisstubbs> oo QMULS1 looks like it should be a close flight to me
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[14:45] <Robint91> who broke the tracker?
[14:45] <qyx_> tracker is not working
[14:45] <qyx_> yep
[14:45] <Robint91> HTTP-fout 500 (Internal Server Error)
[14:45] <Randomskk> yea on it
[14:45] <RocketBoy> its away
[14:45] <Randomskk> DanielRichman got it before me
[14:47] <G3VZV_Graham> I have just shown the current tracker anddemonstrated all the activity to a meeting of IARU VHF Managers from around Europe in Vienna - they were all very impressed at what is being achieved on 70cms:)
[14:47] <Upu_M0UPU> It was me! :)
[14:47] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry
[14:47] <Upu_M0UPU> typing too fast
[14:47] <craag> QMULS is launched.
[14:47] <g7ogxchris> wow fast ascent
[14:47] <jcoxon> G3VZV_Graham, cool
[14:47] <jcoxon> can we have our own band?
[14:48] <Randomskk> ask really nicely :P
[14:48] <Babs__> ping eroomde
[14:48] <eroomde> pong Babs__
[14:48] <Upu_M0UPU> whats dial ?
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[14:48] <G8KNN-Jon> 434.649
[14:49] <Babs__> snigger. one last naive rf question. the inner plastic shield in a coax is invisible to rf right?
[14:49] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[14:49] <G8KNN-Jon> drifting already!
[14:50] <eroomde> Babs__: from the pov of view of leaving it on the inner core to make an antenna, yep
[14:50] <Laurenceb_> thats a low predicted burst
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[14:51] <G8KNN-Jon> also suffering from deep fading
[14:52] <Babs__> cool. thanks. I have the inner core coming perpendicular out of the base of the capsule quite neatly, and its providing extra stiffness in the vertical angle. so rather than strip it back and risk me chopping the copper wire, I've leave it there. a straw fits over it quite nicely. Thanks.
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[14:53] <eroomde> That sounds like a good plan yep
[14:53] <G0DJA> I can hear it but it seems very wide spaced and not many leading $ to get a good lock
[14:53] <eroomde> i'm offline for a bit now. Driving to the norfolk coast
[14:54] <Upu_M0UPU> have fun
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[14:54] <g7ogxchris> can hear it that horizon line is spot on
[14:55] <g7ogxchris> g0dja agree vy wide
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[14:55] <Hix> getting something feint on 434.6515
[14:55] Nick change: Robin_ -> Robint91
[14:55] <Laurenceb__> lol its going in opposite direction to prediction
[14:56] <Upu_M0UPU> its on 434.650 shift is 700
[14:56] <Upu_M0UPU> wobbly signal sounds like its burst :)
[14:56] <g7ogxchris> it doesn't want to die!
[14:56] <G0DJA> Retched fades again
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[14:57] <Robint91> It looks like the prediction don't agree with the heading
[14:58] <Randomskk> give it time
[14:58] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah it will turn
[14:58] <Laurenceb__> Robint91: just a slight disagreement :P
[14:58] <Randomskk> yea! sentence received
[14:58] <Upu_M0UPU> which antenna is hthis ?
[14:58] <Laurenceb__> 180degree :D
[15:00] <G0DJA> My copy of FLDigi seems to prefere a few extra $ to lock onto
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[15:01] <chrisstubbs> G0DJA i found that i needed to adjust mu shift slightly
[15:01] <chrisstubbs> *my
[15:01] <chrisstubbs> was missing the first few chars off NSE
[15:01] <Uggy_> Hi guys.. first time I'm folowing a balloon (QMULS1) on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[15:01] <G0DJA> This is really frustrating - Nice loud signals but every decode has a false character in it
[15:02] <Upu_M0UPU> hi Uggy_
[15:02] <g7ogxchris> warning will robinson, do not rely on auto configure, it gives wrong shift. 450 instead of 700Hz
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> I think this is one of the antennas being tested
[15:03] <G0DJA> A decode :) but FLDigi boxes not updated :(
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> sounds like it could be directional
[15:03] <Randomskk> G0DJA: yea similar issue here
[15:03] <Uggy_> I received my chinese SDR yesterday :)
[15:03] <Upu_M0UPU> haha good luck :)
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> QMULS1 isn't the best one to start on
[15:04] <Uggy_> but not yet installed on linux
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> signal is a bit odd
[15:04] <Hix> is it just me or is it a bit weak?
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> they are testing antenne
[15:04] <craag> On the waterfall here in southampton, but deeep fading
[15:04] <Upu_M0UPU> antenna don't know which one
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[15:05] <g7ogxchris> sigs coming up now
[15:06] <g7ogxchris> agree by comparison weak
[15:06] <G0DJA> Is the FLDigi set up right on QMULS1? The boxes are not being populated here
[15:06] <g7ogxchris> shift is wrong
[15:09] <G0DJA> I'm not doing very well today with decodes :(
[15:09] <RocketBoy> tis a challenge to rx
[15:09] <G0DJA> Seems to have a long then a short sentence - I get more of the short than the long to decode
[15:10] <G8KNN-Jon> telemetry says launched near Histon. Is that correct?
[15:10] <Robint91> what about HABLAB ?
[15:10] Nick change: Uggy_ -> Uggy
[15:10] <G0DJA> To prove me wrong it just decoded a long but still not populated the FLDigi boxes :(
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[15:10] <Randomskk> G0DJA: did the bar at the top light up green?
[15:12] <G0DJA> Yes Randomskk (I have played this game before :) )
[15:12] <Randomskk> weird
[15:14] <G4MYS> starting to get sigs 434.652 in southampton cant decode yet
[15:14] <g7ogxchris> turned up the IF gain on funcube
[15:14] <Hix> G8KNN-Jon: Elsworth was supposed site
[15:14] <G0DJA> This is what the screen looks like (and I have retried autoconfigure then reset the shift) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/65397105/QMULS1%20decode.JPG
[15:14] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: have you selected the relevant payload?
[15:15] <G4MYS> ive selected QMLS1
[15:15] <G0DJA> I think so - There's only one available when I press 'payload'
[15:15] <G4MYS> signal is fading though
[15:15] <g7ogxchris> g0dja shift is 700Hz
[15:15] <DanielRichman> because they're using a nonstandard fields (I think they skip sentence_id) it will probably require to know the precise payload to be able to parse it
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[15:16] <G0DJA> AH! There's another one listed now!
[15:16] <DanielRichman> G0DJA: that sentence doesn't contain any telemetry
[15:16] <G0DJA> g7ogxchris _ I've got that sussed - otherwise no green decode...
[15:16] <DanielRichman> (I don't think)
[15:17] <Hix> I'm struggling to even hear this on the AR8000 and Yagi, probably no hope with dongle
[15:17] <DanielRichman> it's some stepper motor and solar panel readings or something
[15:17] <G4MYS> fading and some other QRM does not help!
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[15:17] <DanielRichman> so every other sentence won't fill the boxes
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[15:19] <G0DJA> Long sentence - so near yet so far 1 bad character
[15:19] <g7ogxchris> g0dja no decode here in bognor
[15:19] <Randomskk> ugh, getting closer to good decodes but still no
[15:20] <G0DJA> The audio fade is just too much for the long sentences here
[15:20] <Hix> is the antenna directional seems to vary as if it were rotating as the payload would be
[15:20] <G0DJA> On that last one a random } just before the 1st two $ killed it :(
[15:20] <number10_M0MDB> is the payload doc wrong - I havnt managed to upload anything?
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[15:21] <g7ogxchris> m0mdb have you text in the red band?
[15:21] <G0DJA> On this one it missed the "1" off the callsign
[15:22] <G0DJA> number10 - reload and select "Queen Mary Launch:QMULS1" from the drop down
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[15:23] <number10_M0MDB> ok thats what it was - getting decode bot not uploading
[15:23] <Randomskk> aaagh! missed one character :(
[15:23] <Randomskk> why would you put so much data in the position sentences :(
[15:24] <Randomskk> and put ".000" at the end of the time >_>
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[15:24] <chrisstubbs> there seems to be a fine line between too little 0's, and too many ;)
[15:24] <Randomskk> :P
[15:24] <g4fui> Just cleared the horizon in Penrith
[15:24] <Randomskk> yes, "just right"
[15:24] <g7ogxchris> deep qsb here
[15:25] Action: G0DJA makes note to self to add a few extra$$ before the start of check sum sentence in own payload
[15:25] <number10_M0MDB> got runtime error on decode EZ::curlError curl easy perform
[15:25] <number10_M0MDB> couldnt resolve host name
[15:25] <number10_M0MDB> any idea?
[15:27] <number10_M0MDB> Randomskk: any idea on that fldigi error ^^ ?
[15:27] <Randomskk> uhm
[15:27] <Randomskk> try going to http://habitat.habhub.org in your browser and check it works
[15:27] <Randomskk> on wifi?
[15:28] <number10_M0MDB> no at home
[15:28] <Randomskk> kind of an odd error
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[15:30] <g7ogxchris> weak TX and directional antenna?
[15:31] <PE2G> Current QMULS1 dial pls?
[15:32] <g7ogxchris> 434.648.5 drifting slowly up
[15:32] <PE2G> Thanks.
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.653
[15:32] <g7ogxchris> in freq!
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> not very easy to decode
[15:32] <g7ogxchris> a nice challenge
[15:33] <G0DJA> I'm going to try a slight amount of squelch to try to stop the extra character at the start when the audio sigs drop
[15:33] <G0DJA> Nope - that didn't work either
[15:34] <Upu_M0UPU> landing on number10's house
[15:34] <Upu_M0UPU> best thing this one can do is burst tbh :/
[15:35] <g7ogxchris> if it does, have a look and see if he has a third bedroom
[15:35] <chrisstubbs> 0 decodes from chelmsford, can only just see it fading in and out on the waterfall
[15:36] <g7ogxchris> f5apq has done well
[15:36] <Upu_M0UPU> horizontal patch apparently
[15:36] <Hix> what sort of sound should i hear from danbury repeater?
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[15:36] <G8KNN-Jon> it is a struggle to decode even here a few km from it
[15:36] <g7ogxchris> nothing unless activated
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[15:37] <G0DJA> It's teasing me now, it's waiting until just before the end of the tone to 'decode' a garbage character...
[15:37] <chrisstubbs> Hix morse idents
[15:37] <Hix> or any repeater in fact
[15:37] <chrisstubbs> or FM voice
[15:37] <Hix> ah cheers chsriss
[15:37] <Hix> hmm that worked well
[15:37] <g7ogxchris> think morse every 15 mins?
[15:37] <G0DJA> Hix - If no one is using it, probably a lot of silence...
[15:38] <g7ogxchris> still must auto ident
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[15:38] <mfa298> repeaters should ident at least every 15 minutes
[15:38] <Hix> damn, trying to tune a dongle and QMULS1 is too faint
[15:38] <G0DJA> g7ogxchris but there's a long time between each ident to wait...
[15:38] <chrisstubbs> GB3DA is used a lot at 8PM on monday night at the moment becuase GB3ER is down
[15:38] <g7ogxchris> some have robot voices..which is nice!
[15:39] <g7ogxchris> g0dja it's ok i'm married
[15:39] <g7ogxchris> used to waiting
[15:39] <G4MYS> even with robot noises the CWID is still required!
[15:39] <mfa298> Hix if you've got a good enough signal without a hab amp another place to look for signals is 144.800 NFS (which is APRS)
[15:40] <Hix> cheers
[15:40] <Hix> ah no yagi wont pick that up will it
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[15:41] <mfa298> Hix: it might be worth a try,
[15:41] <Hix> ok
[15:41] <g7ogxchris> turn it vertical
[15:41] <G0DJA> Hix why not try one of the beacons? Almost all TX continouosly
[15:41] <G0DJA> er - all the time
[15:42] <g7ogxchris> lol
[15:42] <Hix> not very clued up on HAM
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[15:42] <G0DJA> Find the ones near you at http://www.beaconspot.eu/home.php
[15:43] <mfa298> Hix: rough rule of thumb for VHF/UHF if it's NFM it's vertical, if it's SSB its horizontal (unless it's a HAB).
[15:43] <g7ogxchris> sigs in the noise now
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[15:43] <G0DJA> mfa298 unless it's a HAB planned for by Morseman that is...
[15:43] <mfa298> for finding some stuff on the ham bands you can (or could) find the band plans on the rsgb site
[15:44] <mfa298> well I was wondering how easily you could make a halo antenna to fly on a HAB to give horizontal polarisation.
[15:44] <Hix> weird randomly just picked up QMULS1 on 434.742.8
[15:44] <G0DJA> Hix Are you in/near Manchester, or is that just where your ISP is based?
[15:44] <Hix> g point for tuning
[15:45] <mfa298> but they're not as easy to make as the ground plane antennas
[15:45] <Hix> G0DJA: Essex
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[15:46] <G0DJA> That may be 'doable' on 70cm from here
[15:46] <henk_> 434.742,8 useles overhere
[15:46] <henk_> rare noise there
[15:47] <G0DJA> Ah, there you are, just off the M25
[15:47] <g7ogxchris> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu-Qq4RptS4 halo antenna
[15:47] <M0MDB> a reboot seemed to fix that Randomskk
[15:47] <G0DJA> I can run 50W to a 14 element beam, but it's horizontally polarised so you might need to make a simple dipole up
[15:48] <G0DJA> henk - 434.654.52MHz +1000Hz audio here
[15:48] <henk_> roger
[15:49] <G0DJA> henk_ but it's proving difficult to get a good decode
[15:49] <henk_> ok no signal at the moment
[15:49] <G0DJA> Any random characters before the two$ seem to kill the checksum
[15:49] <Rob_m0dts> sounds as if it's spinning at ~5hz at present!
[15:51] <PE2G> First undecodable sigs here in the east of NL
[15:51] <henk_> nothing overhere
[15:52] <G0DJA> I wonder what was wrong with this one? $$QMULS1,154954.000,5206.6325,N,00002.4866,W,1,09,0.9,14284.2,8792,9.657*355D
[15:53] <Hix> what dial is QMULS1 so i can tune properly pls
[15:53] <henk_> g0dja waterfall is working
[15:53] <henk_> hear a signal now very weak\
[15:54] <Hix> Sorry G0DJA was in SDR#land
[15:54] <G0DJA> henk_ good news :) What was wrong?
[15:54] <Hix> pretty much tuned now, randomly picked up QMULS1 at a weird frq
[15:54] <henk_> waterfall was on payze p
[15:54] <henk_> pause
[15:54] <henk_> pffffffffffffffffffffff
[15:54] <G0DJA> Shift seems narrower than before as well
[15:55] <G0DJA> Now about 580Hz
[15:55] <g7ogxchris> hix have you calibrated ur new dongle?
[15:55] <G0DJA> henk_ AH! yes that would do it...
[15:55] <henk_> my call pa3hdm
[15:55] <Hix> pretty much, im on QMULS1 @ 434.650.5 so should be close enough
[15:55] <henk_> active on hf 6 meter 2/70
[15:55] <g7ogxchris> agree have 580 Hz here, i reckon someone was left onboard!
[15:57] <PE2G> henk_ : Do you also do met sondes?
[15:57] <henk_> no
[15:58] Nick change: Upu_M0UPU -> Upu
[15:58] <G4MYS> Its just to weak with me plus I have a persoistant TICK TICK on the freq added to the drift I cant copy but the rx can hear it, Andy Southampton
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[16:01] <Hix> Upu the E4000 dongle is easily as good/bad as my crap AR8000
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[16:03] <Hix> prett tidy with an SMA-BNC adaptor too http://i.imgur.com/Zw4pqWe.jpg
[16:03] <G0DJA> Yay!
[16:04] <Maxell> Damnit, almost: $$QMULS1,160329.000,5206.9190,N,0P|0077&E,009,0.9,173891P.396*BF7B
[16:04] <Hix> guts http://i.imgur.com/s05EcqD.jpg
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[16:05] <gonzo_> that is an odd track that QMULS is taking
[16:05] <G0DJA> Looks like it may be my only 'long sentence' decode theogh LOL
[16:05] <gonzo_> is it going home?
[16:07] <Maxell> $$Q
[16:07] <Maxell> ULS1,-60.000,5.155,5.`)0.7,-31.6.-12.5*1634
[16:07] <Maxell> fuu
[16:07] <mfa298> Hix: nice job.
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[16:07] <Hix> seems to be equally as sensitive as my AR8000
[16:07] <G0DJA> Hix you may want to consider getting the HABAmp as well
[16:08] <mfa298> it's as if QMULS got lost and decided to re-trace it's steps
[16:08] <Laurenceb_> what is the stepper for?
[16:08] <G0DJA> Laurenceb walking home?
[16:09] <Laurenceb_> Stepperbattery: 9.921
[16:09] <mfa298> battery 10.6v, that's a lot of battery
[16:10] <Hix> G0DJA: plan to when I've got some HAB funding back again. Been cleared out of late
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[16:10] <qyx_> it was around 8V in the beggining, wasn't it?
[16:10] <G0DJA> Maybe they have a steppermotor to pan and tilt the camera? ;)
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> Bearing1: N
[16:11] <Laurenceb_> ^interesting
[16:11] <G0DJA> Hix - I can understand the problem...
[16:11] <qyx_> voltage is still increasing
[16:11] <craag> They have a solar panel on board
[16:11] <craag> Which may explain the battery voltage climb.
[16:12] <G0DJA> That was a weird one. got to the * in the checksum and a random 'backspace' was decoded...
[16:13] <Maxell> $$QMULS1,-s0.000,5.155,5.156,31.3,-6.3,-15.
[16:13] <Maxell> *B7A7
[16:13] <Maxell> whats wrong?
[16:13] <Maxell> :(
[16:13] <fsphil> payload troubles?
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[16:13] <Maxell> Hmmgmbl
[16:14] <Laurenceb_> "2.1008, 0.50196, 18975 m at 16:19 UTC"
[16:14] <Laurenceb_> ^wut??
[16:14] <Laurenceb_> will it really be such a low burst?
[16:14] <craag> yep
[16:14] <Laurenceb_> heavy payload?
[16:14] <craag> I'm guessing so!
[16:20] <cuddykid> anyone else notice freezing/lagging issues in latest version of chrome (26) on mac? Perhaps it's just me.. but it's gone awful recently
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[16:22] <henk_> weak audio but not possible to decode
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[16:29] <PE7ER> i got partial decodes, now very fast QSB
[16:29] <G8KNN-Jon> burst
[16:29] <Hix> sounds like its spinning away
[16:29] <henk_> no decoding
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[16:34] <Ian-2E0XOD> QMULS1 - Decending "Burst" Good attempt Guy's
[16:35] <PE7ER> for me the main problem was the heavy QSB
[16:35] <henk_> only heard an weak signal but no decoding
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[16:36] <PE7ER> lost signal now
[16:36] <henk_> ok
[16:37] <PE2G> PE7ER: Did you have any successful decod? None here.
[16:37] <PE7ER> nope, only partial decodes
[16:37] <henk_> very weak audio now
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[16:38] <henk_> gone now
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[16:40] <henk_> landing in Cambridge?
[16:40] <henk_> oh no sudbury
[16:41] <RocketBoy> just lanching hablab in 5 min - 434.075 600baud - you will need a wide filter - 400Hz or so
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[16:42] <bertrik> the FSK shift is a lot smaller here than according to autoconfigure
[16:42] <bertrik> 480 Hz or so for QMULS1
[16:43] <RocketBoy> its away
[16:43] <bertrik> suddenly got a lot weaker here too
[16:45] <henk_> he is near m0mdb
[16:45] <Hix> HABLAB Away!!!
[16:45] <Ian-2E0XOD> HABLAB - looking good
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[16:46] <Hix> what kind of antenna has HABLAB RocketBoy ?
[16:46] <RocketBoy> its a secret until after the flight (blind test)
[16:47] <henk_> i think a wooden antenna
[16:47] <Hix> ah ok, number 1 was pepsi ;p
[16:48] <craag> 1hz tracking for hablab: https://www.thecraag.com/xaben/
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> holy shit
[16:48] <Laurenceb_> its like balloons 24/7 on here
[16:49] <Laurenceb_> HABLAB another low altitude flight?
[16:49] <M0MDB> well its a little blind trying to receive a complete frame
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> slow ascent
[16:50] <Laurenceb_> could it float?
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[16:52] <M0MDB> its just stopped transmitting
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[16:52] <M0MDB> no carrier
[16:52] <G8KNN-Jon> yup, died
[16:53] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: Got around to updating the HABE Lab count down - not too long now.. http://t.co/3c8F3Q1tuN #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/325653442200731649]
[16:56] <Hix> HABLAB dead?
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[16:56] <M0MDB> no queen mary
[16:57] <M0MDB> got a good signal on hablab no decodes for some reason
[16:57] <Hix> ahhh, i've got pips every second on .075, not very annoying
[17:01] <G0DJA> Whay mode is HamLab transmitting?Doesn't sound like RTTY!
[17:01] <G0DJA> What
[17:01] <M0MDB> junderwood_M0JCU: what are your settings for hablab?
[17:01] <G8KNN-Jon> 600baud rtty
[17:01] <G8KNN-Jon> open you filters up to about 500Hz
[17:01] <G8KNN-Jon> your*
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[17:02] <M0MDB> thanks G8KNN-Jon
[17:02] <M0MDB> filters not wide enough
[17:03] <M0MDB> my filters i should say
[17:04] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/fbi_pro.gif
[17:05] <G0DJA> I can hear it and I'm getting screenloads of garbage
[17:06] <G0DJA> ooo a decode!
[17:06] <Hix> 075 is borked round my way
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[17:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> M0MDB, 800 shift & 704Hz filter
[17:08] <M0MDB> thanks john
[17:08] <G0DJA> jarod they don't do it like that on NCIS when the FBI breeze in :)
[17:08] <M0MDB> I didnt have filter wide enough
[17:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> 600 strings until I overtake Upu in the league table.
[17:09] <G0DJA> I'm getting a strike rate of about 1 in 10
[17:09] <junderwood_M0JCU> Should take about 10 minutes :)
[17:10] <G0DJA> Trouble is that the bad then clear out all the lat long and altitude boxes before I get chance to look
[17:10] <M0MDB> he has been slacking tracking lately ... doing too many launches
[17:11] <G0DJA> Is there a DL-FLDigi wish list? Could i add the retention of the last good lat/long and altitude as well as the dist and bearing boxes please?
[17:11] <G0DJA> At 600 baud it sure clears out fast!
[17:12] <fsphil> anyone know why he's using 600? or just because he can? :)
[17:12] <M0MDB> i think he said was doing some experiments fsphil
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[17:13] <junderwood_M0JCU> I think he's trying to break the tracker :)
[17:13] <fsphil> lol
[17:13] <fsphil> he'll have a hard time doing that
[17:14] <G0DJA> I'll give up on ever getting on the RX list at 600 baud
[17:14] <G0DJA> As soon as I get a good decode 5 bad ones swap it
[17:14] <G0DJA> swamp
[17:15] <fsphil> that's one of the thoughts behind 600. if you send many strings quickly, little bursts of QRM have less impact
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[17:16] <G0DJA> fsphil what seems to be happening is I get 1, maybe two or three, good in a row and then many many more bad
[17:17] <G0DJA> Ooo - 5 in a row then!
[17:18] <fsphil> hopefully this gets above my horizon. 600 is probably right on the limit of what I can decode
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[17:26] <Ian-2E0XOD> G0DJA > The corrupt Data may be due to a small Doppler effect due to the antenna design being used. The Payload is swinging around by some +/- 20 degrease. A Helix Antenna may solve the problem.
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[17:27] <G0DJA> OK Ian-2E0XOD unfortunately I don't have one lying around :)
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[17:29] <G0DJA> Tracker seems to be struggling to keep up as well. Or is the input buffered for these sorts of payloads?
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[17:29] <fsphil> there will be a 5-10 second lag due to caching
[17:30] <junderwood_M0JCU> the stats page is struggling
[17:30] <G0DJA> No, can't say I'm a fan of 600 baud
[17:31] <G0DJA> If 50 is too slow has anyone used 100 or 200 ?
[17:32] <fsphil> 300 works well
[17:33] <G0DJA> Mind you I guess it will bring up my stats count, even if I'm only decoding about 10%
[17:33] <G0DJA> I think someone used 300 a while ago fsphil ?
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[17:35] <G0DJA> When QMMOHSUL is released I will probably switch over to that one
[17:35] <Rob_m0dts> lots of bandwisth available for other things when using 600bd.. what could we fill it with?!
[17:36] <fsphil> pictures, but I'm biased :)
[17:36] <fsphil> 1200 baud and you could transmit codec2
[17:36] <fsphil> have a voice repeater
[17:36] <Rob_m0dts> true...anything else though.hmm
[17:36] <Rob_m0dts> yeah
[17:36] <fsphil> need a good recevier on the payload
[17:36] <fsphil> but I'm sure it's possible
[17:37] <Rob_m0dts> definately, there were some recent rumours of 800bps codec2..
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[17:38] <fsphil> nice. that would lave room for some FEC
[17:38] <Rob_m0dts> voide telemetry?!
[17:38] <Rob_m0dts> *voice
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[17:38] <fsphil> yep :)
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[17:39] <Rob_m0dts> cool
[17:39] <fsphil> would be a neat test. just have it transmit status messages, and pre-recorded speech at first
[17:40] <arclight23> we built a "talking tracker" that plugs into a baofeng UV3R radio
[17:40] <fsphil> sweet
[17:40] <Rob_m0dts> synthesising and encoding.. another Pi project
[17:40] <eroomde> in hunstanton
[17:40] <arclight23> uses a PIC chip, some pre-recorded samples on a EEPROM
[17:40] <eroomde> Sunny Hunny
[17:40] <fsphil> with codec2 you could even put the speech into flash memory
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[17:41] <Rob_m0dts> a modern numbers station..hi
[17:41] <arclight23> we're going to try it on the next HABEX I think. It's nice because I can jsut hand my dad a pad of paper to copy coordinates, no laptop needed
[17:41] <fsphil> haha
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[17:42] <fsphil> "5 4 point 5 6 3 7 ... the eagles fly at noon ... negative 7 point ..."
[17:42] <Rob_m0dts> ha
[17:42] <arclight23> have it play 5 seconds of Waltzing Mathilda as the start key
[17:43] <arclight23> also Arabic mode
[17:43] <Rob_m0dts> i'l look forward to that one
[17:43] <Hiena> And at the burst announced by Max Headroom's voice. ;)
[17:43] <fsphil> yea they used to have little tunes
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[17:44] <arclight23> are you limited to 10mw?
[17:44] <fsphil> on 434mhz yea
[17:44] <g4fui_> nice copy in Penrith, short sentences seem to help
[17:44] <fsphil> 869mhz allows 500mw but only 10% duty
[17:44] <fsphil> right brb, doctor who
[17:46] <arclight23> ahh. I've been playing around with the Baofeng UV3R - it's about USD35 here, and there's open firmware for it.
[17:46] <arclight23> Heavy, but has a good receiver, TX, battery, etc built in already
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[17:48] <arclight23> http://imgur.com/TPbKOz8
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[17:53] <jcoxon> arclight23, i'm interested in the uv-3r
[17:53] <jcoxon> as i've got 2
[17:53] <jcoxon> what features have you added?
[17:54] <jarod> any Virtual Radar Experts here?
[17:54] <jarod> *Virtual Radar Server
[17:55] <jarod> FL transition altitude (default set at -2000 meters) any idea what this mean and what to set it to?
[17:56] <GMT> FL trans alt should be 5000
[17:57] <GMT> 5000 feet that is
[17:57] <WILLdude> URRGH
[17:57] <WILLdude> Sorry.
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[17:58] <WILLdude> My gps code that I saved specifically because it worked doesn't work anymor.
[17:58] <arclight23> jcoxon: Haven't tried the new firmward stack, but I built a simple RDF beacon with it, sends tones and CW callsign
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[17:59] <Ian-2E0XOD> Sounds Great
[17:59] <arclight23> next, I'm going to try either morse or DTMF decoding so it can say, activate a cutdown
[17:59] <jcoxon> arclight23, awesome
[17:59] <arclight23> pastebin.com/VsZ444tb
[17:59] <eroomde> WILLdude: welcome to software :)
[17:59] <arclight23> code I've done so far, still needs some cleanup
[18:00] <WILLdude> I'm gonna have to staart again.
[18:00] <jcoxon> arclight23, i'll try that sometime
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[18:00] <eroomde> have you been playing with gps settings or something else that might cause the gps to behave differently?
[18:00] <arclight23> but that Attiny only draws about 3.5ma
[18:00] <Ian-2E0XOD> Start in small steps and build up the full working program
[18:01] <arclight23> also, found out that chip has a built-in temp sensor
[18:01] <WILLdude> Not at all eroomde .
[18:01] <WILLdude> Just saved my code, tried it again and it doesn't work.
[18:01] <Ian-2E0XOD> arclight what chip
[18:01] <eroomde> WILLdude: you're learning stuff at a massive rate at the moment and probably don;t have much spare capacity for New Stuff right now, but if you do then you might like to have a look at 'git', a version control system that is designed to help you write code by letting you take snapshots (with comments and so on) of the code at different points as you develop it
[18:02] <WILLdude> Maybe.
[18:02] <WILLdude> ARRGH/
[18:02] <WILLdude> How can I debug this?
[18:02] <eroomde> so in what way is it not working currently?
[18:02] <eroomde> what was it doing before that it isn't now?
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[18:03] <WILLdude> The arduino isn't entering into the con ditional statement of gps.available.
[18:03] <WILLdude> Could I conenct an LED to the modules TX?
[18:03] <WILLdude> Would that help diagnose it?
[18:03] <eroomde> it would certainly tell you if the module is txing something
[18:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Mike Bessant "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Altitude control with valve"
[18:04] <eroomde> alternatively you could reconnect it straight through the to serial comm on the pc like i think you did initially
[18:04] <WILLdude> Would I burtn out an led with 5v?
[18:04] <eroomde> you'd have to add the correct current limiting resistor
[18:04] <G0DJA> WILLdude - If you mean the outputs from the Arudino then yes. The LEDs should flash at the rate that the RTTY is being sent
[18:05] <henk_> strange sound on 434.075
[18:05] <eroomde> it's easy to work out the value, i can tell you how
[18:05] <WILLdude> G0DJA: It's not rtty.
[18:05] <henk_> no something else
[18:05] <G0DJA> WILLdude use a dropper resistor in series with the LED
[18:05] <WILLdude> Fuck that was bright.
[18:05] <G0DJA> WILLdude - same thing, if it takes the outputs high then low the LED will flash
[18:05] <eroomde> no resistor :)
[18:06] <eroomde> don;t do that though,, because it's basically a short circuit
[18:06] <S_Mark> Hi all, just doing some final testing before tomorrow, are there issues with spacenear at the mo?
[18:06] <eroomde> so will be bad for your gps
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[18:06] <WILLdude> I need a 260 ohm I think.
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[18:06] <PE2G> My first successful decode at dx 450 km.
[18:06] <WILLdude> 56
[18:07] <eroomde> sounds plausible
[18:09] <G0DJA> Can't remember what value I used but it also depends on the type of LED and what it's max voltage is
[18:10] <Rob_m0dts> just stick a 1k or 470r in to be wll in safe limit, for debug it does not matter how dim it is.
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[18:11] <PE2G> Fairly reliable decoding at elev 0 deg, 449 km
[18:11] <PE2G> http://s8.postimg.org/izinduib9/Screen811.jpg
[18:11] <WILLdude> Nope. I'll rebuild with some new jumper wires.
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[18:18] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> Antares might fly today
[18:19] <WILLdude> Still not working.
[18:19] <WILLdude> Rebuilt circuit.
[18:23] <WILLdude> ARRRGH!
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[18:23] <WILLdude> I think my gps unit is broken.
[18:24] <G0DJA> What type is it? Can you see any data on the output?
[18:25] <WILLdude> No, and Ublox MAX6.
[18:25] <G0DJA> This is where one of those little boxes with LEDs with resistors to Ground on all of the outputs come in useful
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[18:25] <G0DJA> Upu is your man with those units...
[18:26] <WILLdude> I know, he got me it.
[18:26] <WILLdude> Upu: Around?
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[18:31] <RocketBoy> still gaffing with QMMOHSUL
[18:31] <RocketBoy> faffing
[18:31] <WILLdude> Yay.
[18:31] <WILLdude> I got sensible rubbish.
[18:32] <WILLdude> Oh.
[18:33] <WILLdude> That's odd.
[18:33] <M0MDB> anyone chasing these RocketBoy ?
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello RocketBoy
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander> interesting balloon valve discussion in the mailing list
[18:35] <WILLdude> UURGh.
[18:35] <gonzo__> quite a wobble from hablab
[18:35] <RocketBoy> the queens guyed will chase theirs and I'll be going after HABLAB
[18:35] <WILLdude> Oh yeay.
[18:35] <WILLdude> *yay
[18:35] <RocketBoy> guys
[18:36] <pws> rtty specs of HABLAB ???
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[18:37] <PE2G> Strong local QRM started here, all decoding impossible
[18:39] <PE7ER> i got a few decodes before burst
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, how much does the assembly weigh?
[18:40] <RocketBoy> 850g,90g & 1.2Kg for the 3 flights respectivly
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[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> no your valve
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[18:42] <henk_> no decoding\
[18:42] <Lunar_Lander> that you have linked to in the mailing list
[18:44] <RocketBoy> humm - lets talk about that later - after the flights
[18:44] <PE2G> Good decoding again at 0.1 deg elevation
[18:44] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[18:53] <cuddykid> ha, too many data points on space near - freezing up chrome
[18:54] <cuddykid> won't load properly
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[18:55] <Nealg> cuddykid: try filtering which ballons to track: http://spacenear.us/tracker/?filter=QMMOHSUL;HABLAB
[18:57] <lz1dev> cuddykid: try the mobile tracker
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[18:58] <cuddykid> worked eventually - just froze it for a minute
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[19:05] <WILLdude> Anyone familiar with Pyserial?
[19:05] <RocketBoy> QQ is away
[19:06] <RocketBoy> QMMOHSUL
[19:06] <Upu> anything still up ?
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[19:07] <WILLdude> With pyserial I want it to try and parse nmea sentences.
[19:07] <Upu> oooo
[19:07] <Upu> 600 baud
[19:07] <Upu> nice
[19:07] <WILLdude> Might be impossible.
[19:08] <Upu> I quite like that baud rate
[19:08] <chrisstubbs> WILLdude, very possible
[19:10] <WILLdude> But difficult, very much so.
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> Nah i did it the other day as my first ever python project.
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> if you want some pointers switch to PM so we dont spam the channel
[19:12] <Upu> what happened with QMMOHSUL ?
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[19:14] <Upu> anyone ?
[19:14] <G8KNN-Jon> its in the air
[19:14] <Nealg> upu: It launched a few minutes ago
[19:15] <pws> pyserial for nmea: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VLF_Group/message/18957
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[19:17] <Upu> does't appear to be going up
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[19:17] <Upu> what frequency is it on ?
[19:17] <jcoxon> whats happening to qmmohsul?
[19:18] <G0DJA> What freq baud etc for QMMOHSUL
[19:18] <Upu> trying to work that out
[19:18] <Nealg> tracker says: 434.650Mhz 7N2 50 baud
[19:18] <G8KNN-Jon> 434.653
[19:18] <G0DJA> Thanks Jon
[19:19] <G0DJA> sounds like 50 baud
[19:19] <jcoxon> no altitude
[19:19] <G8KNN-Jon> 600 shift
[19:19] <Upu> Yeah RXing it
[19:19] <G8KNN-Jon> not sure what the altitude units are though
[19:19] <Upu> sounds odd
[19:20] <G0DJA> Ah, mine is much narrower than that here
[19:20] <G8KNN-Jon> wobbly
[19:20] <G0DJA> Because I was listening to something elese!
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[19:21] <WILLdude> Does the Ublox support all Nmea sentecnes?
[19:21] <ukhpr> was tracking freind's one in kansas earlier. 1 tracker died, the other reported 0m alt the entire flight.
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[19:23] <Upu> spacenear.us no longer loading ?
[19:23] <Upu> seems to be jamming in Chrome and IE
[19:23] <ukhpr> was v. slow
[19:23] <jcoxon> blame hablab
[19:23] <jcoxon> 43033 points
[19:23] <Upu> oh wait IE seems to be working
[19:23] <Upu> haha
[19:23] <ukhpr> had to hit wait about 10 times, and it loaded eventually
[19:24] <Upu> IE10 beats Chrome
[19:24] <Upu> yes loads
[19:24] <Upu> 600 baud :)
[19:24] <jcoxon> in total 59009 points
[19:24] <Upu> good job we didn't do that last Sat
[19:24] <ukhpr> 1hz data or summat on 1 track?
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[19:33] <Morseman> I presume that QMMOHSUL was launched from same place as QMULS1 ?
[19:33] <Morseman> I see I'm RXing but it's not on the tracker yet
[19:33] <M0MDB> it
[19:34] <M0MDB> seems like it has crashed
[19:34] <M0MDB> the procesor that is
[19:34] <M0MDB> just restarted
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[19:34] <Morseman> I think Hablab must have given it indigestion ...
[19:34] <M0MDB> same poor antenna as last QM
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[19:37] <M0MDB> QMMOHSUL has just hung again
[19:41] <Morseman> Yes, single very loud tone here
[19:42] <GMT> odd how the max altitude is *exactly* 10000
[19:42] <Morseman> GMT I think that was hangover from testing - I didn't get that here
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[19:44] <chrisstubbs> GMT thanks for your call today :)
[19:45] <GMT> that's okay Chris ... your chase-car icon was not updating on the map, so we didn't know where you were or how to direct you
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[19:45] <G0DJA> Last good decode was $$QMMOHSUL,19:34:00, 52.2546,-0.1354,59, 0:47851, -31072:16901:-24613, *5F46
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[19:46] <chrisstubbs> Yeah down to bloomin GSM again on both phones so didnt get much back from the tracker/IRC either
[19:46] <G0DJA> Which FLDigi decoded as 61(metres I presume) which I don't believe either
[19:46] <GMT> when I went looking for BONZO last week I had no signal so could not get position updates; v.annoying
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[19:47] <chrisstubbs> was talking to domlin after saying we should look into making up a 3G dongle with a yagi on a massive pole
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[19:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[19:49] <henk_> goodevening
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[19:49] <Morseman> Hi Tom
[19:49] <PE2G> Was QMMOHSUL launched at 20:17 BST?
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[19:51] <Morseman> About 19:06 UTC - so 20:06 BST
[19:52] <PE2G> So, 45 min airborne
[19:52] <PE2G> 2700 sec airborne
[19:53] <PE2G> cliimb 3 3m/s?
[19:53] <PE2G> 3 m/s
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[19:53] <PE2G> Would mean 8100 m alt
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[20:00] <arko> Afternoon
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> hey chrisstubbs
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[20:01] <Morseman> PE3G That would seem reasonable to me, but the transmitted altitude was never over 61 - Which I suspect means there were problems from the start
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[20:02] <fsphil> hablab's landing site seems ideal
[20:02] <fsphil> was it recovered?
[20:04] <PE2G> Morseman: You think it never really climbed??
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[20:09] <Morseman> PE2G I think it did climb, or I would not have heard it, but the GPS/TX system jammed in some way
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[20:09] <Morseman> Pity as, for once, I was getting good consistant decodes - Murphy's law in action again :)
[20:11] <chris_99> has anyone used a keychain 720p camera on a balloon out of interest?
[20:11] <PE2G> Assuming that it did climb at 3 m/s, it would be 11400 m or so by now
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[20:18] <henk_> nothing on 434.650
[20:21] <PE2G> 434.653 was last freq mentioned here
[20:22] <henk_> ok
[20:22] <henk_> dead now
[20:22] <henk_> is the balloon on air or not
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[20:24] <PE2G> Assuming climb at 3 m/s, it would be at 13700 m now, a bit low for rx in NL
[20:25] <henk_> yes
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[20:31] <Upu> can't see anything here
[20:31] <Upu> and it was reasonably strong before
[20:32] <Lunar_Lander> evening anthony
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[20:34] <Upu> hi Lunar
[20:36] <malgar> http://www.cusf.co.uk/calc/ do you know another calculator allowing smaller ballons?
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[20:36] <Upu> that goes down to 200g ?
[20:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyone was talking to uBlox over i2c?
[20:37] <Upu> yes SP9UOB_Tom, Daveake does it
[20:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> i getting ACKS but register read always returns 0xff
[20:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: thanks, i'll ash him
[20:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> ask
[20:39] <Upu> nps
[20:40] <WILLdude> Upu: Any idea why this code gets it wrong by about 4 miles West? http://pastie.org/7676198
[20:40] <Upu> no idea WILLdude but you can work through it
[20:40] <malgar> Upu: yes
[20:41] <WILLdude> Hmm.
[20:41] <Upu> stick some serial print debugging in there
[20:41] <WILLdude> Alrighty.
[20:41] <Upu> well the smallest practical latex is 100g
[20:41] <WILLdude> Upu: This is desktop code.
[20:41] <Upu> i.e print out the values of variables
[20:41] <WILLdude> Oh ok.
[20:41] <arko> How much does that cost?
[20:41] <WILLdude> Right.
[20:41] <arko> 100g latex
[20:41] <Upu> not a lot
[20:42] <Upu> <£10 I suspect, they do 21km
[20:42] <arko> Wow awesome
[20:42] <Upu> in fairness Will I'm the last person you want to ask about coding
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, can I tell will an idea what is wrong?
[20:42] <arko> Kaymont?
[20:42] <Upu> Hwoyee
[20:42] <Upu> shoot lunar
[20:43] <WILLdude> Upu: Yeah, I forgot about that.
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> WILLdude, do you live next to a longitude line?
[20:43] <WILLdude> :P
[20:43] <chrisstubbs> feel free to ask me for coding help
[20:43] Action: chrisstubbs says integers for all!
[20:43] <WILLdude> Lunar_Lander: Err.
[20:43] <WILLdude> IDK
[20:43] <malgar> Upu: I would like to try a party latex balloon with an ultra light payload
[20:43] <arko> Ah cool
[20:43] <WILLdude> What's a longitude line?
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> the uni is right next to 8°E
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> like at 8.02°E
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> and the first code dropped that 0, so it thought we were at 8.2°E
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> which is 20 km due east
[20:44] <WILLdude> chrisstubbs: See pm.
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> I meant a longitude with an whole number
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> like in my example
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[20:44] <WILLdude> Lunar_Lander: The nmea output is:
[20:44] <WILLdude> '5115.37522', 'N', '00110.24239', 'W'
[20:45] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[20:45] <Upu> malgar we launch 36" foil Qualatex balloons with small payloads on
[20:45] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=496
[20:46] <mfa298> WILLdude: If that's the raw output from the GPS the first thing I'd do is check how close that is to your location.
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[20:47] <LokisSword> evening gents :)
[20:47] <x-f> evening
[20:48] <LokisSword> how did todays launches go? successful recovery all round? I had to head out before the action happened...
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> Rendering the videos of todays flight. There was about 20 mins of me standing around in a field holding a parachute :P
[20:49] <malgar> Upu: very nice.. I'm thinking about 80g payload and about 25" latex party balloon. Do you think that it could fly?
[20:49] <malgar> :)
[20:49] <Upu> 80g is probably just a little too much
[20:49] <Upu> half that and you're in business
[20:50] <mfa298> WILLdude: if the raw data is right but what you're code displays at the end is wrong then there's an error in your code, if the raw data is wrong you might not have a good fix.
[20:50] <malgar> mmh and 30"
[20:50] <malgar> ?
[20:50] <Upu> 36"
[20:50] <Upu> I think the max lift is about 65g
[20:50] <LokisSword> I see you ended up missing the reservoir by a few miles in the end chrisstubbs
[20:50] <malgar> Upu: ok
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[20:51] <chrisstubbs> Yeah, predictions seemd to like the reservoir/sea
[20:52] <Upu> best bet is develop alight weight payload malgar
[20:52] <malgar> Upu: and if I would like a burst height at less than 10 km? I should inflate a lot the balloon, right?
[20:52] <Upu> well foils get to about 4.5km
[20:52] <Upu> and either float
[20:52] <Upu> or burst
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[20:52] <malgar> Upu: I don't want a float.. I would like a burst
[20:52] <Upu> malgar https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/yqjSc.jpg this was made by daveake
[20:52] <Upu> yeah fill it up then
[20:53] <malgar> Upu: anyway my payload will be the tk102 gps/gsm tracker.. it should be something like 40-50 g
[20:53] <Upu> I wouldn't bother with GSM
[20:53] <Upu> radio is better
[20:53] <chrisstubbs> flew a TK102 today
[20:53] <Upu> did it work ?
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> took about 20 mins to pull itself together after landing
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> sent a load of screwed up texts
[20:54] <Upu> yeah that
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> then worked :)
[20:54] <malgar> :D
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[20:54] <malgar> chrisstubbs: could you give me some info about your launch?
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> good for a disaster backup, but i would not rely on it alone
[20:55] <iain__g4sgx> Hi y'all. My PIC project coming along, was thinking of using the LMT2 Rx, does anyone have any experience with this device?
[20:55] <WILLdude> Upu: Working :)
[20:55] <Upu> Yes iain__g4sgx
[20:55] <Upu> its a superb transmitter
[20:55] <Upu> probably one of the best we use
[20:55] <WILLdude> Upu: About 70cm off, but I can live with that.
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[20:56] <Upu> 70cms is good
[20:56] <Upu> like super good
[20:56] <Upu> iain__g4sgx LMT2 RX or TX ?
[20:56] <iain__g4sgx> Tnx...lol I meant Tx. ;)
[20:56] <Upu> good :)
[20:56] <Upu> yes you can make it do RTTY
[20:56] <Upu> and its got a TCXO in it so its very stable
[20:57] <Upu> I have a circuit for it if you want to take a look
[20:57] <malgar> do you think that a NOTAM is necessary even with such small payloads?
[20:57] <malgar> like 40-80 g
[20:57] <Upu> the only downside to it is they are generally expensive however I'm working on getting them in the shop
[20:57] <Upu> malgar in the UK its the balloon size
[20:57] <iain__g4sgx> The PIC I wanna use has a programmable voltage reference out, (for A-D converters), will make a good input for the Tx and make multi modes by software possible.
[20:58] <malgar> Upu: what's the limit there?
[20:58] <Upu> if you can keep everything in imaginary 2 meter sphere you don't need a notam
[20:58] <Upu> check Wiki for rules
[20:58] <Upu> iain__g4sgx
[20:58] <Upu> yes likely if you can keep it accurate I put a DAC on mine 1 sec let me dig circuit out
[20:58] <mfa298> WILLdude: the important question is do you know why it wasn't working. (randomly changing things until it works isn't usually the right way to fix it)
[20:58] <WILLdude> Upu: Are these basically the same as ntx 2? http://www.lprs.co.uk/easy-radio/modules/
[20:58] <WILLdude> mfa298: Of course.
[20:59] <WILLdude> mfa298: But cba to explain. :)
[20:59] <Upu> no WILLdude they aren't that good, Mick Mondo used them, very drifty
[20:59] <mfa298> WILLdude: that's fair enough. The important thing is to understand it, that's how you learn.
[20:59] <Upu> malgar http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:microballoons:faq?s[]=foil
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[21:01] <Upu> iain__g4sgx https://www.dropbox.com/s/fnftmoygp97py65/Eduhab%20V1.pdf
[21:01] <Upu> DAC circuit is untested
[21:01] Nick change: WILLdude -> W1ll
[21:01] Nick change: W1ll -> GROUP
[21:01] <Upu> you're failing Will
[21:02] Nick change: GROUP -> W1ll
[21:02] <W1ll> Upu: ikr
[21:02] Nick change: W1ll -> W1lldude123
[21:02] <Robint91> mhh
[21:03] <Robint91> iain__g4sgx, that is what I want to do
[21:03] <Upu> I put the DAC on specifically so we could play with DominoEx etc
[21:03] <Robint91> iain__g4sgx, I have now a software based PSK31/63/125 and the beginnings of a DominoEX modulator
[21:03] <Robint91> for the STM32F4
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[21:03] <Upu> fsphil and I got DominoEx working on an NTX2
[21:03] <Robint91> which generates with the internal DAC's an IQ signals
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> malgar, sure, what would you like to know about the launch
[21:04] <Upu> but without the TCXO it doesn't work that well
[21:04] <Upu> chrisstubbs pics ?
[21:04] <fsphil> it does seem to be annoyingly strict regarding the frequency shift
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> video is uploading now, flickr will be ready any second
[21:04] <malgar> chrisstubbs: payload, max altitude, range
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[21:05] <Robint91> did somebody say something?
[21:05] <Upu> you didn't miss anything
[21:05] <Robint91> okay
[21:05] <Robint91> silly internetz
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[21:06] <chrisstubbs> malgar, NSE (ntx2 + ublox + atmega328), 808 camera, TK102 GSM tracker... Cheapo was an SMD board using RFM22b and ublox neo6
[21:06] <fsphil> sssh, don't insult the internet. it might hear you!
[21:06] <malgar> do you know smaller gps/gsm tracker tha the tk102?
[21:06] <chrisstubbs> malgar, got up to 27km i think (was intended to get to 21km)
[21:07] <chrisstubbs> malgar, im afriad not. if you want to get into small and light you probably want to do as upu said and go with a small homemade tracker
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[21:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> malgar: for example: http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico1.jpg http://sp9uob.verox.pl/pico/pico2.jpg
[21:08] <chrisstubbs> Photos from launch today: http://bit.ly/ZEJItG
[21:08] <iain__g4sgx> Upu: Nice one Tnx. I'm told the voltage ref are stable but only who knows don to what temp and if the steps are suitable, only 32 steps.
[21:08] <Upu> well exactly this is what needs to be tested
[21:08] <Upu> http://imgur.com/3CiBkVE
[21:08] <Upu> thats the board I did to test it
[21:08] <Upu> should land on my desk on Monday
[21:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: im impressed :-)
[21:09] <Upu> ta :)
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[21:09] <chrisstubbs> Upu, is the thing on the left the boost regulator?
[21:09] <Upu> yes
[21:09] <Upu> you clip in 2 AA's
[21:10] <chrisstubbs> are you telling me you hand solder the tiny tiny tiny little pins on that IC?
[21:10] <Upu> I do
[21:10] Action: chrisstubbs tips hat
[21:10] <Upu> I got these http://i.imgur.com/sdCzhQM.jpg
[21:10] <iain__g4sgx> Robin91: Oooh, well ahead of me then, just on paper here.. This PICS got 125K and 4 usarts. 18F67J94
[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: where do You order PCBs? Hackvana?
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[21:10] <Upu> yes SP9UOB_Tom got a pile due on Monday
[21:11] <Upu> probably going to spend next week soldering
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> cheapo was such a mess with regard to the soldering
[21:12] <fsphil> did cheapo live up to its name?
[21:12] <Robint91> iain__g4sgx, using the arm cortex m opened a HUGE world, the Floating point unit is awesome
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> kinda, R2 should be cheaper... and actually work...
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[21:13] <chrisstubbs> ugh the video is 1.2gb. looks like an overnight job
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[21:14] <malgar> chrisstubbs: tk102 used sms or gprs?
[21:15] <chrisstubbs> SMS
[21:15] <chrisstubbs> I set it up so i could call it, and it replied with SMS
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> the whole fix001n000h000m001s thing in the manual seemed totally stupid
[21:16] <malgar> chrisstubbs: did you ever tried it using gprs?
[21:16] <malgar> ops
[21:16] <malgar> try
[21:16] <malgar> sorry for my english
[21:17] <chrisstubbs> I leant it to a friend to use on his motorbike, i think he tried to set it up and never got it working
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[21:19] <chrisstubbs> im going to need to redo this video: "the camera cut out due to a flat battery in the code"
[21:19] <chrisstubbs> also domlin swears quite a lot
[21:20] <Upu> lol
[21:20] <Upu> so why was the signal from Cheapo pants ?
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[21:20] <chrisstubbs> well remember the discussion for the lengths of string between payloads/balloons
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> may have mixed that up a bit
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[21:22] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/hab/pants.png
[21:23] <chrisstubbs> notice how the radials are wrapped around the antenna
[21:23] <chrisstubbs> and the balloon is wrapped around the rest of it
[21:24] <iain__g4sgx> Has anyone tried a 5/8 wave?
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[21:26] <Upu> not on a payload
[21:27] <Upu> the 1/4wave works well and is very simple to make
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[21:30] <chrisstubbs> Upu the only thing im not sure about is if those radials got bent in flight and screwed up the signal, or just on landing
[21:31] <chrisstubbs> do you reinforce the cat5 cable you use on ava?
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[21:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[21:32] <chrisstubbs> Night!
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[21:33] <arko> woah neat
[21:34] <arko> NSE/CHEAPO landed on ground :)
[21:34] <arko> did they recover?
[21:34] <chrisstubbs> yeahhh :)
[21:34] <arko> epic
[21:34] <chrisstubbs> shame the 808 cam didnt last longer though. Guess we would have got some nice footage at 27km!
[21:35] <arko> :)
[21:35] <arko> who launched it?
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> me and domlin :)
[21:35] <arko> ah!
[21:35] <arko> i thought so
[21:35] <arko> congrats to you both
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> cheers man :) had a great day
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> still dont get how upu got more strings than us in the other side of the country, while we were driving right underneath it the whole time
[21:36] <arko> were you guys able to determine why cheapo kept breaking?
[21:36] <arko> well, depends on your antenna design
[21:37] <arko> sometimes, if you are directly under the antenna you wont pick it up
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[21:37] <chrisstubbs> i think the bad signal was down to bent radials (poor antenna design)
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> yeah thats true
[21:37] <arko> ahh
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> and it had an encoutner with some stray latex on the way down
[21:37] <arko> oh thats no fun
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> NSE worked great though. gotta rate the NTX2 and ublox from upu
[21:38] <arko> i kept myself awake to watch it pop, then almost fell asleep on my tablet
[21:38] <arko> :P
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> haha
[21:38] <arko> yeah, NSE rocked it
[21:38] <arko> :)
[21:38] <arko> gonna post pictures soon?
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> think i would have driven the car into the sea if it went in
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, did we talk about that extra battery pack on ebay?
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> arko http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/sets/72157632483902666/with/8665462939/
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, yes i think we did, but i didnt make any modifications at risk of breaking it
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[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:43] <arko> woah frozen magmount
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[21:45] <eroomde> yo arko
[21:45] <arko> sup eroomde
[21:45] <fsphil> that's a bad frost you had chrisstubbs
[21:46] <arko> well xilinx finished downloading overnight
[21:46] <arko> time to install
[21:46] <arko> ... *sigh*
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[21:46] <eroomde> downloading xilinx is one of those life events
[21:46] <eroomde> you have to plan ahead for it
[21:47] <arko> yep
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[21:47] <eroomde> chrisstubbs: good gallery
[21:47] <Upu> good pics chrisstubbs
[21:47] <arko> weddings, vacation, downloading xilinx
[21:47] <Upu> very blue skies
[21:47] <eroomde> does christabs93 mean you were born in 1993?
[21:48] <arko> wow i feel old
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[21:49] <eroomde> yeah. i think i'm at that threshold age
[21:49] <eroomde> from being the young one to the neutrally aged one
[21:49] <eroomde> i.e. 25
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> yeah i am
[21:50] <eroomde> where i start thinking policemen are getting younger
[21:50] <eroomde> and 1993 is still foetal to me
[21:50] <Upu> when you got to the doctors and he/she is younger than you is when it hits you
[21:50] <eroomde> 1993 is people bringing in their brand new baby siblings to primary school show and tell
[21:50] <eroomde> you are that baby sibling chrisstubbs
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[21:51] <number10> eroomde: you know you are old when the prime minister, and president of us are younger than you
[21:52] <eroomde> that's aaaaaaaaages away
[21:52] <eroomde> i cannot even conceive of it
[21:52] <number10> lol, it will hapen
[21:52] <eroomde> lofty middle-age like 30 seems like an epoch away
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[21:53] <number10> well you should be still fit by 30 - probably at your peak
[21:54] <number10> but you know what happens after the peak
[21:54] <ukhpr> i started counting my age in hex when i hit 33
[21:54] <ukhpr> was good to be 21 again
[21:54] <Upu> best way
[21:55] <number10> anyway I am still young and its way past my bed time gn
[21:55] <Upu> night
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[21:55] <eroomde> forever young
[21:55] <eroomde> i wanna be
[21:55] <chrisstubbs> night upu
[21:56] <Hix> gnight Upu
[21:56] <Upu> ws night to number10 :)
[21:56] <Upu> I'm still here :)
[21:56] <Hix> ha oops
[21:56] <chrisstubbs> oh sorry half ircing half videoing
[21:56] <fsphil> I thought that said icing, and had a picture of you making a cake
[21:57] <Hix> I'm half irc half trying to get an EasyCAP to work in ubuntu
[21:57] <Hix> ordeal to say the least
[21:57] <fsphil> ironic name?
[21:57] <Hix> yeah
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:58] <fsphil> I always thought Windows was an ironic name because until recently it kept breaking
[21:58] <Hix> my W2K8 server will not display video in vlc from EasyCAP so trying to get it to work on ubunutu VM
[21:58] <Hix> Win7 fine on laptop so I know hardware is fine
[21:58] <Hix> plain annoying
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[22:00] <chrisstubbs> Video is up!
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blFBZQ4j-r8
[22:00] <Hix> unless anyone else knows of a solution to stream video from a live feed to a webpage?
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> stupid movie maker didnt do 1080p, oh well
[22:00] <Hix> for win
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[22:01] <chrisstubbs> hix might be a stupid suggestion but ustream or livestream?
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[22:02] <Hix> i've not looked into them yet, but may have to
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[22:06] <Upu> take any screen shots you need chrisstubbs as going to clear tracker tomorrow morning
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[22:08] <chrisstubbs> think im done thanks upu :)
[22:08] <fsphil> the tracker shall breath a sigh of relief when cleared
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> Is the flight data stored in couchdb indefinitely?
[22:09] <fsphil> yea
[22:10] <mattbrejza> that arkward moment when you need 10mil of space but cant move anything ¬.¬
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[22:11] <Upu> hey S_Mark all ready for tomorrow ?
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[22:12] <S_Mark> Hey, Upu, yeah hope so!
[22:12] <Upu> good luck I'll clear the tracker by tomorrow morning
[22:12] <chrisstubbs> tested your code works pre-10AM? :P
[22:12] <Upu> haha
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> shows how late i get up on weekends
[22:13] <S_Mark> haha should I!? lol. Will the tracker have the predictions running?
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> didnt even consider that time as existant
[22:13] <Upu> yes S_Mark
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[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello S_Mark
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> yellow pants http://www.noz.de/lokales/71589426/osnabruecks-erstes-automatenhotel-oeffnet-ende-2013
[22:13] <chrisstubbs> Did you get my comment about the tk102 S_Mark?
[22:14] <S_Mark> Great thank you. At one point predictions were straight to Silverstone
[22:14] <S_Mark> Hhmm no Chris, what were they?
[22:14] <S_Mark> hello lunar_Lander
[22:14] <S_Mark> did it work?
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> btw the article says they are making an Automatic Hotel
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> left a comment on your stratodean blog, the tk102 worked ok but took a while to get itself into gear after landing
[22:15] <chrisstubbs> kept going to voicemail when i called it, texting back garbage. then sprang to life after like 20 mins
[22:15] <S_Mark> I see it!
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs,
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> <chrisstubbs> didnt even consider that time as existant
[22:15] <S_Mark> ah ok cool thank you for letting us know!
[22:15] <Lunar_Lander> how do you mean?
[22:15] <Upu> predictions look better for tomorrow
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[22:16] <S_Mark> Yes they do. Good day for numbers too, our 100th tweet and 3000 blog views
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> yay
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> but no Antares launch :(
[22:17] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, i hadnt tested my code before 10AM. and this morning found it didnt parse and it failed to handle the first 0 in the time eg 064500 was 64500
[22:17] <chrisstubbs> needed to pad it out
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[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> I thought you meant the thing about time as suich
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> *such
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> lol not wuite
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> I got a lecture about special relativity
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> *quite
[22:18] <Upu> chrisstubbs feel free to add that to the common (not so common!) coding errors
[22:18] <S_Mark> haha really!! thought you were joking :p
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> and first we talked about newton's laws
[22:18] <Upu> on wiki
[22:18] <S_Mark> :p
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> and then that Newton actually defined space and time
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> yes will do now ;)
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> but it is bogus
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> because he said that space and time were given by god
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> and that is an invalid argument
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> this is the kinda crap we got back from the TK102: http://bit.ly/11pWMGz
[22:18] <chrisstubbs> not sure if yours is better mark
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> the middle one was really good
[22:19] <S_Mark> haha wow yeah very useful
[22:19] <S_Mark> ah you got yours sending you a map link?
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> how it managed to put the AT commands for the GSM module into an SMS like that.. i do not know...
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> the map links never worked, dont get jel
[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> btw chrisstubbs
[22:19] <S_Mark> lol
[22:19] <chrisstubbs> why did i just say jel... need sleep...
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[22:20] <chrisstubbs> go on Lunar_Lander
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> the prof also said it is forbidden to claim that scientific results come from god if you enter a paper into a scientific journal today
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:20] <Hix> the only way chrisstubbs ;p
[22:20] <S_Mark> amazing clear skies on your pics!!
[22:20] <chrisstubbs> Hix, please, no.
[22:20] <Hix> heh
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> Yeah thats what you get if you get up early!
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> a little too early in my case
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> great conditions, very little wind
[22:21] <chrisstubbs> nice and sunny too
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> GOD!
[22:21] <Hix> i got up early, but had a hangover that would fell a tree so dozed some more
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:22] <Hix> best plan in my case
[22:22] <chrisstubbs> is that from your sdr failure induced pub trip?
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[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> british music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4BgGAL29S8
[22:22] <S_Mark> out of interest, how long was your chain
[22:22] <Hix> nope, that was a food and beer trip
[22:23] <Hix> last night was a good old fashioned binge drink
[22:23] <Hix> not wise at >30
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> S_Mark.. balloon - 10m - parachute - 5m - payload - 5m - payload
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> but dont do that
[22:23] Action: Hix never learns
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> as the balloon swung down and tangled up in the payload
[22:23] <Hix> looked a bit of a mess in the vid
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> i did exactly the opposite of what i was told to do haha
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> S_Mark,
[22:24] <S_Mark> yeah our longer one is at the bottom
[22:24] <S_Mark> Hi Lunar
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> Chain A unit of length equal to 66 feet or 22 yards (approximately 20 m). There are 80 chains in one standard mile.
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> hi
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> see there
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:24] <S_Mark> ha thanks
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> that is how the railway defines a chain
[22:24] <S_Mark> ah I see
[22:24] <S_Mark> !
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> the RAIB is funny
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> well there was an accident
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> with a young woman being hit by a train and then they decided to make people aware of not hearing trains due to headphones
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> and they got a rapper to make a TV ad
[22:25] <Hix> ddep joy - install wine and see it getting comicsans font
[22:25] <Hix> ffs
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> and the report said that
[22:25] <Lunar_Lander> and Rapper was defined at the end in the glossary
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> "Rapper - A Person who performs Rap music"
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:28] <Hix> something is going to get launched here tonight - I have a feeling it will be an EasyCAP
[22:28] <S_Mark> any other tips that you learnt today for the first time chrisstubbs?
[22:29] <Hix> launch later ;p
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> maps help
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> if there is no 3g
[22:29] <Hix> offline maps ftw :)
[22:29] <S_Mark> paper maps?
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> can I contribute something that I learned on my first flight?
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> yeah or downloaded
[22:29] <Hix> how you getting on with them chrisstubbs
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> 31/300 so far :P
[22:29] <chrisstubbs> cheers hix
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> actually what chrisstubbs meant is
[22:29] <Hix> my fat pipe eh :)
[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> take a sextant and all that stuff with you
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> get rid of that modern GPS stuff
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> eats batteries
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:30] <fsphil> smoke signals
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[22:31] <chrisstubbs> just short the lithiums in morse and hope they release enough magic smoke
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:32] <S_Mark> so just to confirm, the neck lift is correct when it 'just' lifts off the extra weight?
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> but be careful
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> wind spoils the measurement
[22:32] <S_Mark> ok
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> also, what I learned is
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> don't land in rivers
[22:33] <Hix> S_Mark, if i can I'll try and get a pdf OS 1:25k of the landing area to you
[22:33] <chrisstubbs> All my photos came out like this :( http://i.imgur.com/ESZwOE3.png
[22:33] <Hix> hopefully you can download it easily enough
[22:33] <S_Mark> that would be great Hix thank you
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, XD!
[22:33] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: but you got it recovered :p
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[22:33] <S_Mark> Ice on the straw?
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> S_Mark, yeah don't have anything in front of the camera
[22:33] <fsphil> so you've got 100% river recovery rate
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:33] <chrisstubbs> and the istockphoto watermark
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL
[22:34] <Hix> chrisstubbs, bit of t-cut on them pics and they'll be fine :)
[22:34] <S_Mark> was that camera facing out or down?
[22:34] <chrisstubbs> that was out, but it swung a lot
[22:34] <chrisstubbs> and span a lot
[22:34] <S_Mark> we have a video out and a camera down
[22:34] <S_Mark> will see what happens
[22:34] <chrisstubbs> nice plan
[22:35] <chrisstubbs> those gopros give some amazing footage
[22:35] <chrisstubbs> this 808 cam is crap in comparison
[22:35] <S_Mark> yeah, traded for weight though
[22:35] <S_Mark> getting excited now lol
[22:35] <chrisstubbs> :D
[22:35] <Hix> to be fair no housing they are pretty light
[22:36] <chrisstubbs> 40x the cost though
[22:36] <Hix> more risk to lose too
[22:36] <Hix> or get robbed if you don't recover quickly
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> by Robin Hood
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:37] <mfa298> failing the paper maps if you've got android get RMaps, select OS maps in the menus and then tell it to download the areas you're interested in (my experience is it works better on a tablet than a phone)
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[22:37] <chrisstubbs> Upu do you know what daniel had to change on habitat to get it to parse?
[22:37] <Upu> he put a hot fix in place
[22:37] <mfa298> although I do prefer real paper maps, you can see so much more on them
[22:37] <chrisstubbs> did he have to edit the proper code, or just bodge the flight doc
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[22:37] <Hix> mfa298, memory map is a good compromise
[22:37] <Upu> no there is a hot fix system in place
[22:38] <chrisstubbs> ah okay fair enough
[22:38] <Upu> which corrects errors or something don't fully understand it
[22:38] <chrisstubbs> prepared for people like me then
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[22:38] <Upu> right I'm off night all
[22:38] <Hix> right over to windows it is, biab
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[22:39] <mfa298> RMaps has the benefit of being totally free, although if you've got a good source of mapping data then that's often better
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[22:39] <chrisstubbs> night upu
[22:39] <S_Mark> night Upu, cheers for all the help, hopefully will all come together tomorrow
[22:40] <G0DJA> How come the one flight that I could copy crashes, yet the ones that everyone else receives better than I can goes on ward and up ward?
[22:40] <fsphil> I only managed NSE today
[22:41] <S_Mark> what happened with the other flights after NSE today, all ok?
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> yeah, was habjoe recovered?
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> *aura
[22:42] <G0DJA> Most of the ones I tried were either 50/50 at best or 10% - until the last one where I got nearly 100% decode until it stopped working...
[22:42] <mattbrejza> i would assume so as his gprs updater has stopped
[22:43] <mfa298> hmmm, after all the issues cuddykid had with corrupt SD cards on his Pi, I seem to have had the same issue
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> hope so
[22:45] <chrisstubbs> yeah it made one of mine just get hot
[22:45] <chrisstubbs> silly pi
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[22:50] <Hix> sodding wall warts, just cut connector off a 12V 200mA supply - its pumping out 19.88V
[22:51] <S_Mark> chrisstubbs did you find the prob with cheapo?
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[22:51] <mfa298> ouch, although some do go higher when there's no load, if it's pluged into something it go closer to 12v
[22:51] <mfa298> but that sounds very high
[22:51] <Hix> not sure I want to plug it into anything at that level
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> S_Mark: http://t.co/QWFuIB5khQ
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> Bent radials i think
[22:52] <chrisstubbs> Needed straws perhaps
[22:53] <chrisstubbs> either that or the signal was weak on the electronics side of things
[22:53] <S_Mark> haha got the dogs running around
[22:53] <S_Mark> ah yeah
[22:54] <chrisstubbs> not ours, just random dogs
[22:55] <S_Mark> lol!
[22:55] <S_Mark> such a still day
[22:56] <S_Mark> and the field - just go for it did you?
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[22:57] <chrisstubbs> on recovery?
[22:57] <S_Mark> yeah
[22:57] <chrisstubbs> spoke to the locals and they asked the landowner
[22:57] <S_Mark> ah ok
[22:57] <S_Mark> was all ok?
[22:58] <LokisSword> hmm, just found an RFM02 in the old transmitter for a energy monitor
[22:58] <LokisSword> anyone used one in a HAB?
[22:58] <chrisstubbs> LokisSword,
[22:58] <chrisstubbs> i have taken one out of an energy monitor too, but been told they are not much good for hab
[22:58] <chrisstubbs> may do a experimental flight with a few different low cost transmitters one day
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[22:59] <chrisstubbs> Its on my ideas list
[22:59] <chrisstubbs> yeah no problems mark
[22:59] <chrisstubbs> yagi would have been helpful when we were deciding where we thought it had landed
[23:00] <S_Mark> yeah what were your methods?
[23:00] <S_Mark> before the sim car
[23:00] <S_Mark> d
[23:00] <chrisstubbs> well we tried to park right under the flight path close to the landing point
[23:00] <chrisstubbs> and got it on the radio ok when it landed
[23:01] <chrisstubbs> just no 3G to look up where the coordinates were on a map. And hamGPS was pointing us in different dirrections on each phone
[23:01] <S_Mark> ah right I see.
[23:01] <S_Mark> sounds like a good plan though
[23:02] <S_Mark> We should have all networks covered, so am hoping for some 3Gness
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> we had O2 (giffgaff) and orange
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> nout on either of them in some places
[23:02] <S_Mark> Ah ok.
[23:02] <S_Mark> hmm that is the prob
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> orange did come out on top
[23:02] <S_Mark> Try living in a Forest!
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> haha
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[23:03] <S_Mark> OK, I better be off. Really glad your flight went ok. Hoping for the same with ours. Will catch everyone tomorrow!
[23:04] <chrisstubbs> Yep will make sure im up to watch the flight :)
[23:04] <chrisstubbs> im off too, night!
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[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> evening RocketBoy
[23:16] <RocketBoy> yo
[23:16] <RocketBoy> I'm knackers
[23:16] <RocketBoy> knackered
[23:16] <RocketBoy> got in about an hour ago
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> yeah can imagine that
[23:16] <Lunar_Lander> seems to have been a good flight day
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[23:22] <RocketBoy> well I got mine back at least
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[23:55] <griffonbot> Received email: Daniel Richman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: DL-FLDFIGI [Win] GPS Setvbuf error"
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