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[03:00] <heathkid> wow...
[03:00] <heathkid> a C64 makes a better synth than a computer...
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[05:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrew Myatt "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement of AURA Saturday 20th April 11:15am"
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[05:58] <eroomde> morning all
[05:58] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/gZ7SkOb.jpg
[05:58] <Darkside> shinies
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[05:59] <eroomde> very!
[05:59] <eroomde> do they have a specific flight alloted to them?
[06:00] <Upu> shiny :)
[06:00] <Darkside> nah
[06:00] <arko> wow
[06:00] <Darkside> though i hope to do a pico launch this weekend
[06:00] <arko> nice pictures
[06:00] <Darkside> i've got 4 boards made up, and have parts to make up another one at 3.3v
[06:00] <Upu> work calls...
[06:00] <eroomde> it's 7am!
[06:00] <eroomde> it's dressing gown and radio 3 time
[06:00] <Darkside> lol
[06:00] <Upu> I know I also have PCB's the make up :)
[06:01] <eroomde> whatcha making?
[06:09] <eroomde> silencio
[06:10] <Darkside> he is making silence
[06:11] <eroomde> sounds like the premise of a Dr Who episode
[06:11] <Darkside> yep
[06:11] <Darkside> the silence is coming
[06:11] <eroomde> an alien disguising himself as the boss of a victorian toy factory
[06:11] <arko> wow
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[06:12] <arko> i can actually see that as an episode
[06:15] <eroomde> indeed
[06:16] <eroomde> arko: today i make an fpga blinken the led
[06:16] <eroomde> this will be a day of days
[06:16] <arko> haha
[06:16] <arko> nice
[06:17] <eroomde> i'm also layout out a replacement for this: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10981
[06:17] <eroomde> because they are bonkerly expensive
[06:18] <arko> :O
[06:18] <arko> woah
[06:18] <arko> i've always wanted one of those
[06:18] <arko> cost wayyy to much
[06:18] <eroomde> have one of mine!
[06:18] <arko> especially since i dont need it
[06:18] <arko> yet
[06:18] <arko> ok!
[06:18] <arko> i'll totally dish out if it's under 300
[06:18] <Darkside> eroomde: using a NEO-6T?
[06:18] <Darkside> or LEA
[06:18] <eroomde> will also have aheader breaking out the digitised i and q and clk for fpga use
[06:18] <Darkside> oh wait
[06:18] <Darkside> nope
[06:19] <arko> nice!
[06:19] <arko> im working on some decoders right now on an fpga
[06:19] <eroomde> and clock input for driving multiples front ends coherently
[06:19] <eroomde> for gps attitude
[06:20] <arko> :)
[06:20] <eroomde> cratching my own itch
[06:20] <eroomde> s
[06:21] <arko> what clk speed is required?
[06:21] <eroomde> it's varible but the defaul is 16.xxxmhz
[06:22] <eroomde> i forget the xxx
[06:22] <arko> hmm
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[06:24] <arko> you can clock at different rates to get the gps signal?
[06:24] <arko> i dont know very much about gps (since i never had the hardware to play with it)
[06:26] <eroomde> the clock just defines the adc sample speed really
[06:26] <arko> oh
[06:26] <arko> nvm
[06:27] <eroomde> for a given clock and given config bits, you can specifiy a downconcerted centre frequency and sample speed
[06:27] <arko> is the rate at which the code is transmitted constant?
[06:29] <eroomde> yep
[06:29] <eroomde> fixed frequency and phase across all sattelites
[06:29] <eroomde> yay for atomic clocks
[06:30] <eroomde> that's your key assumption so you can conclude things from the incoming freq and phase of the signals you receive from each sat
[06:31] <arko> ok, that makes sense
[06:31] <arko> i gotta read more about GPS one of these days
[06:31] <arko> so much to learn, no damn time
[06:32] <eroomde> tell me about it
[06:32] <eroomde> the oppressive list of textbooks on my shelf still to work through
[06:32] <eroomde> Thermodynamics, optimal control, SICP (REALLY MUST DO THIS!)
[06:33] <arko> :(
[06:33] <arko> same here, the book next to my bed
[06:33] <arko> so many...
[06:33] <arko> http://www.amazon.com/Global-Navigation-Satellite-Systems-Hardcover/dp/B00C2DGW6E/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366093947&sr=1-5&keywords=GPS
[06:33] <arko> ah
[06:33] <arko> thats a nice book
[06:34] <arko> that i will never buy
[06:34] <arko> because it's $1500
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[06:36] <arko> well, time to get some rest, crazy day tomorrow, FPGA lab in the morning, giving a talk at school about HABEX2, then class, then HABEX2 party :P
[06:37] <eroomde> that sounds like a good party
[06:38] <arko> if it can survive the edge of space, it can probably...er not.. survive drunk people
[06:38] <arko> man, i feel stupid everytime i think about GPS
[06:38] Action: arko puts his head down in shame
[06:39] <nigelvh> In summary, it's some magic with time and radios.
[06:39] <nigelvh> Done.
[06:39] <arko> heh, night!
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[06:52] <number10> some of the guys I am working with took yesterday off to go to the marathon.. not good
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[08:02] <kokey> I totally need to find/encourage an incarnation of Upu in South Africa
[08:08] <UpuWork> wut ?
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[08:17] <x-f> habhub has that nifty /calc that lz1dev made
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[08:20] <HixWork> eroomde seen this? http://worldphoto.org/worldphotolondon
[08:20] <x-f> he's not here, HixWork
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[08:22] <x-f> the devil
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[08:32] <UpuWork> I think we had a blip x-f
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[08:43] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
[08:44] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement Saturday 13/04/13"
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[08:47] <HixWork> cheers x-f
[08:47] <HixWork> eroomde seen this? http://worldphoto.org/worldphotolondon
[08:47] <HixWork> or has he vanished again?
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[09:01] <HixWork> Hi International Rescue radim_OM2AMR :) Good job Sir!!
[09:01] <radim_OM2AMR> heh :-) Thanks ! You know - team work
[09:02] <HixWork> :D Lookd like my kind of place to go for a big walk
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[09:11] <UpuWork> it did look absolutely awesome
[09:11] <UpuWork> might go on holiday there some time :)
[09:16] <HixWork> Austria is an awesome contry, been there a few times. Great landscapes, and the beer is good too :)
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[09:24] <eroomde> HixWork: that looks great thanks
[09:24] <eroomde> i shall go
[09:24] <eroomde> new gps software has a position
[09:25] <eroomde> about 50cm accurate if google earth is to be believed
[09:25] <eroomde> yippeee
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[09:26] <fsphil> that's rather good
[09:27] <eroomde> that's averaged over a second
[09:28] <eroomde> the 3 sigma varience is more like 10m
[09:28] <eroomde> but that's with old testament phase-locked-loop tracking
[09:28] <eroomde> gonna bake in kalman filter tracking shortly
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[09:31] <SpeedEvil> this is SDR?
[09:35] <eroomde> yus
[09:37] <Laurenceb_> eroomde: do you have ionospheric correction?
[09:38] <Laurenceb_> i get annoying vertical offsets of a few meters (but variable)
[09:39] <Laurenceb_> and can't find nice documentation for the ionospheric correction data
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[09:53] <griffonbot> @daveake: RT @Raspberry_Pi: New post: the ballooning Pi, a new record, and photos and data from the aftermath. http://t.co/1560pFd0qJ #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/324098111280664576]
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[09:54] <eroomde> no bothered with vertical
[09:54] <eroomde> i say 'not bothered', i mean i didn't make a function to calc the stats
[09:54] <eroomde> yes to ionospheric correction
[09:55] <Laurenceb_> using ephemeris?
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[09:57] <Laurenceb_> nice, where did you find nice documentation?
[09:59] <Laurenceb_> bbl
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[10:16] <eroomde> Laurenceb: Kaplan
[10:16] <eroomde> my fpga dev board just arrived
[10:16] <eroomde> too much fun being had
[10:20] <Darkside> which one did you get?
[10:20] <Darkside> i recently got a digilent ATLYS board for a friend
[10:21] <eroomde> digilent nexys 2
[10:21] <Darkside> k
[10:21] <eroomde> the biggest spartan 3 dev board basically
[10:21] <Darkside> ahh
[10:21] <Darkside> shenki (the friend) is doing HDMI stuff
[10:21] <eroomde> which is the limit of what i can use with the free xilinx tools as i understand it
[10:21] <Darkside> yeah i dunno what hes planning on using
[10:21] <cuddykid> seems like the great cost of balloons is the damn shipping cost.. just had a quote from pawan for 10 of their 850g balloons: balloons are just $25 each but shipping is $195!
[10:22] <Darkside> cuddykid: yep
[10:22] <Darkside> think of the weight
[10:22] <UpuWork> just get them through Steve
[10:22] <cuddykid> true, but still, it's less than 10kg
[10:22] <cuddykid> UpuWork: sold out of the ones I need and I need a lot
[10:22] <UpuWork> oh yeah
[10:22] <Darkside> >_>
[10:22] <Darkside> why do you need 10?
[10:22] <UpuWork> just don't get them from Scientific Sales in the US
[10:22] <eroomde> use a bigger one
[10:23] <cuddykid> http://www.diven60.org/
[10:23] <cuddykid> ^ for that .. they're doing balloon releases along with the diving
[10:23] <Darkside> oooooohay
[10:23] <Darkside> ookay
[10:23] <UpuWork> yeah that was my response too :)
[10:23] <cuddykid> yeah, extremely ambitious
[10:24] <UpuWork> you know the adage where there is an advertising company with money to burn : take it
[10:24] <Darkside> and you're going to get autohorization to launch at all the places?
[10:24] <cuddykid> Darkside: I'm just sorting out payloads and balloons for them
[10:24] <Darkside> right
[10:24] <Darkside> so they know how to track?
[10:24] <Darkside> :P
[10:24] <cuddykid> well.. haha
[10:24] <Darkside> so they don't care about getting the payloads back then i guess
[10:25] <Darkside> launching balloons to a set time is always a bad idea
[10:25] <Darkside> you end up with really crappy flight paths
[10:25] <cuddykid> I spoke to them about that - they're not planning on getting payloads back unless they put cameras in them
[10:25] <Darkside> then why bother launching
[10:25] <Darkside> 'scientific data'?
[10:25] <cuddykid> yeah
[10:25] <cuddykid> they're creating their own web app thing - pulling the data from habitat and displaying it in their own formate
[10:26] <kokey> can the bot tell me when last SamSilver was online?
[10:27] <kokey> cuddykid: thanks ;)
[10:28] <kokey> you'd think having been on irc since 1993 I would remember most common bot commands
[10:29] <cuddykid> unbelievable how much scientific sales charge for balloons
[10:29] <eroomde> i might have misread the above
[10:29] <eroomde> but they know that they need a notam right?
[10:30] <cuddykid> I think so
[10:30] <Darkside> at multiple places around the world
[10:31] <cuddykid> and they want to do this in june
[10:31] <cuddykid> I think they're involving Steve
[10:32] <cuddykid> this came about via Josh Taylor - eroomde's best friend
[10:33] <daveake> nooooooooooooo
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[10:33] <cuddykid> lol
[10:33] <daveake> I predict a sharp rise in eroomde's blood pressure
[10:33] <cuddykid> probably already exploded
[10:34] <Darkside> i could hear the explosion here in australia
[10:34] <x-f> what happened to fsphil?
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[10:34] <UpuWork> lol
[10:35] <Darkside> bahha
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[10:36] <Darkside> hey cuddykid
[10:36] <Darkside> you should get josh to come on irc
[10:36] <Darkside> so we can ask him questions
[10:36] <fsphil> yes. questions.
[10:36] <daveake> such as ... why?
[10:37] <daveake> and wtf?
[10:37] <cuddykid> :)
[10:37] <Darkside> and can we please have some of the money
[10:37] <cuddykid> I think he's too busy with his own projects ;)
[10:37] <Darkside> heyyyy, get htem to buy some of my payloads
[10:37] <Darkside> >_>
[10:37] <daveake> He does have his own projects he gets other people to do projects for him
[10:37] <Darkside> send me monies plox
[10:37] <daveake> doesn't
[10:38] <cuddykid> very true
[10:38] <cuddykid> which is why I believe he roped me and a few others in after hearing that they wanted him to construct the payloads
[10:39] <cuddykid> wonder what these Pawan 850g balloons will be like.. yet to try out my replacement 1200g
[10:39] <daveake> Hah just realised something
[10:39] <daveake> I made space art :p
[10:39] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/raspberry_in_space.jpg
[10:39] <Darkside> haha
[10:39] <Darkside> SELL IT
[10:39] <Darkside> for big monies
[10:39] <UpuWork> i really like that picture
[10:40] <cuddykid> that was a great shot
[10:40] <UpuWork> you could just sh*t all over it and then sell it
[10:40] <x-f> sunflower
[10:40] <UpuWork> I think thats what Josh did
[10:40] <cuddykid> lol
[10:40] <Darkside> also make sure to tell richard branson
[10:40] <UpuWork> who ignores him
[10:40] <UpuWork> did you see that picture of him trying to get close to him ?
[10:40] <UpuWork> very lol
[10:40] <Darkside> no?
[10:41] <cuddykid> "JoshingTalk Projects are creative adventures, inspiring innovation and stimulating global awareness by social entrepreneur, Josh Taylor." :)
[10:41] <UpuWork> let me check "social entrepreneur"'s website
[10:41] <eroomde> he is such a c*nt
[10:42] <UpuWork> I can't find it
[10:42] <UpuWork> but if anyone wants a print : http://www.joshingtalk.com/2012/11/joshingtalk-space-art-prints-on-sale.html
[10:43] <cuddykid> I should have put a cut down on that flight - oops, it seemed to separate mid flight
[10:46] <Brace> he's 22
[10:46] <Brace> I had moments of being a dick when I was 22
[10:47] <Darkside> 'moments'
[10:47] <Brace> I don't know the guy (and I get the impression there's some history there) but at least he's trying stuff, who knows it might even work
[10:48] <Darkside> there is a bit of history
[10:49] <Darkside> eroomde could fill you in maybe
[10:49] Action: UpuWork gets the pop corn
[10:49] <griffonbot> Received email: Costyn van Dongen "Re: [UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
[10:49] Action: Darkside steals some of UpuWork's popcorn
[10:50] <Brace> mmmm
[10:50] <Brace> popcorn
[10:51] <Brace> you don't have to fill me in, I was just rambling, putting off fixing some stuff
[10:51] <Darkside> hmm i'd better do some dishes
[10:52] <eroomde> it's ok, i usually give people a chance
[10:52] <eroomde> but he really is without redemption
[10:52] <eroomde> i say this as someone a similar age to him
[10:53] <cuddykid> a simple #highaltitude log search for his name brings up some interesting reading if you're interested Brace
[10:53] <eroomde> not really worth it i'm sure
[10:54] <eroomde> just trust, he's a huge stain and i could bore you with a million reasons why, but you'll have to trust me
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[10:59] <Brace> I strongly doubt I'll ever meet him tbh
[10:59] <Brace> I can't see that I'll end up putting up loads of flights to be honest, just one or two, get some nice photos and that'll probably be me :D
[11:00] <daveake> That's what I thought before my first :p
[11:03] <Babs> I can't go to his entrepreneurial google group thing as I am over 30 :-(
[11:04] <fsphil> do what everyone does in the internet, lie :)
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[11:04] <Babs> fsphil. I clearly can't use the internet, I was born before 1980.
[11:05] <Brace> Babs: it's like Logan's run
[11:05] <Brace> they chase you down on your 30th birthday
[11:06] <Babs> That being said, my first computer does age me somewhat http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/82/Apple_II_tranparent_800.png/300px-Apple_II_tranparent_800.png
[11:06] <Brace> and nick your router
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[11:08] <Babs> My Mom did ask me at Christmas "Richard, can you teach me how to ipad?" - I have similar IT disregard for her as Josh has for me.
[11:09] <Brace> I've been very impressed with my mum since she got her iphone, she's figured it all out
[11:09] <Brace> quite happily
[11:10] <fsphil> my mum now complains about the internet being slow. I guess that makes her an expert
[11:11] <Babs> fsphil - arf
[11:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement Saturday 13/04/13"
[11:12] <griffonbot> Received email: Ed Moore "Re: [UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
[11:25] <cuddykid> quote for BOC H2 reg: £102 + vat - better than I was expecting
[11:27] <daveake> not bad
[11:27] <gonzo_> look on ebay for an acetylene reg. Should be the same bottle fitting
[11:37] <cuddykid> got them down to $23.75 per 850g balloon - not too bad :)
[11:42] <HixWork> AA metting https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH02wQzCMAEkdQV.jpg:large
[11:42] <eroomde> i should proof-read my emails
[11:43] <eroomde> Babs: there's a hard age requirement?
[11:44] <cuddykid> ordered my H2 reg :) one step closer!
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[12:33] <willdude123> Afternoon.
[12:34] <willdude123> How's stuff guys?
[12:42] <cuddykid> installed the iPad mount - great recommendation daveake :) http://i.imgur.com/E7HnPvA
[12:43] <daveake> ah good :)
[12:43] <daveake> great aren't they?//
[12:43] <cuddykid> yep, very secure and easy to fit
[12:43] <daveake> Now you just need a real car :p
[12:43] <cuddykid> yep!
[12:43] <daveake> That toy's waaay too small
[12:44] <cuddykid> it took a beating whilst chasing HABE 5 last summer
[12:44] <cuddykid> did a bit of off-roading and almost got stuck in a big ditch
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[12:48] <willdude123> Wow.
[12:49] <willdude123> Port 4200 isn't blocked.
[12:49] <willdude123> I could use the lynx browser here.
[12:49] <willdude123> I wonder if PIE5 will turn up.
[12:50] <willdude123> Who were the cameras filming for?
[12:50] <daveake> Bloomberg. Same answer that I gave you when you asked on Saturday morning :)
[12:50] <cuddykid> buy raspberry pi shares now!
[12:51] <daveake> It's a charity they don't issue dividends!
[12:51] <fsphil> buy raspberry pis now!
[12:51] <cuddykid> buy everything now!
[12:51] <cuddykid> before the bubble (balloon) bursts
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[13:01] <Babs> eroomde: sorry, was off for lunch. Yes, google group thing is only open to those edit age 18-30
[13:02] <Babs> EDIT: worry not, you can still attend and receive his inspirational quotes:
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[13:08] <griffonbot> @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/324147178060791809]
[13:13] <griffonbot> @diodesign: RT @daveake @Raspberry_Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/RpMpFs7DgN #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/diodesign/status/324148572138381312]
[13:15] <griffonbot> @Raspberry_Pi: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/324148919883931650]
[13:17] <eroomde> nice article
[13:17] <griffonbot> @daveake: PIE/AVA launch video #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi http://t.co/c880zNdTHk [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/324149566280695808]
[13:18] <griffonbot> @davidjhinson: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/davidjhinson/status/324149717707669507]
[13:19] <griffonbot> @themadone: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/themadone/status/324150039331078148]
[13:19] <eroomde> can we maybe start filtering RTs from griffonbot
[13:19] <eroomde> it's getting silly
[13:19] <daveake> It is I did suggest this a while back
[13:20] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/324150265076936704]
[13:20] <Darkside> :P
[13:20] <griffonbot> @someotherboy: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/someotherboy/status/324150278758731778]
[13:20] <Darkside> sorry
[13:20] <daveake> hah
[13:20] <griffonbot> @darksidelemm: Spamming the #UKHAS twitterbot just for fun. [http://twitter.com/darksidelemm/status/324150361055174656]
[13:20] <daveake> People will start seeing red
[13:21] <daveake> (They show red for me anyway)
[13:21] <griffonbot> @drgeraint: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/drgeraint/status/324150483692433409]
[13:21] <daveake> Now we just need Josh to start tweeting and eroomde will explode
[13:21] <UpuWork> just boot griffonbot from the channel for a few hours
[13:21] <daveake> sounds fair
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[13:23] <DrLuke> maybe griffonbot should filter out RTs
[13:23] <HixWork> heh
[13:23] <UpuWork> I think its mean too
[13:23] <mfa298> failing all that we just need daveake to only tweet between midnight and 6am
[13:23] <HixWork> I've got no access to the CAD server. This is a really fun and interesting day in the office
[13:24] <daveake> aww
[13:24] <griffonbot> @Raspberry_Pi: RT @daveake: PIE/AVA launch video #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi http://t.co/c880zNdTHk [http://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/324151336130183169]
[13:24] <griffonbot> @charliemuppet: RT @daveake: Raspberry Pi space jaunt ends in dramatic mountain rescue http://t.co/QGDlfdQlN8 via @regvulture #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/charliemuppet/status/324151383848804352]
[13:24] <daveake> I think I may need to make myself scarce soon ...
[13:25] <UpuWork> want me to shut the bot down for a bit ?
[13:25] <daveake> I do yes :)
[13:25] <Brace> so is someone with ops going to boot griffonbot off then?
[13:25] <mfa298> although at least getting griffonbot to rate limit the RTs would be good
[13:25] <UpuWork> give me a mo
[13:25] <eroomde> that's not really a solution
[13:25] <daveake> I see no point in it doing RTs
[13:25] <HixWork> kick in the bot
[13:25] <eroomde> kicking it doesn;t fix the problem
[13:26] <HixWork> pah
[13:26] <x-f> pacifist :P
[13:26] <HixWork> have you tried it yet eroomde :)
[13:26] <eroomde> i have kicked
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[13:26] <HixWork> heh
[13:26] <Brace> thanks eroomde
[13:26] <eroomde> wasn't me
[13:27] <UpuWork> I'll turn it back on later and speak to Daniel about fixing the RT
[13:27] <mfa298> I can see there might be some interest in seeing how far tweets go but a summary of RTs would be enough.
[13:27] <eroomde> i suspect upu killed her from her server
[13:27] <HixWork> Upu good work
[13:27] <Brace> ahhh
[13:27] <UpuWork> twas me
[13:28] <HixWork> I think i'm bored of the internet. This is the problem with having 0 to do at work
[13:33] <eroomde> tronics design
[13:36] <Brace> do some programming?
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[13:45] <eroomde> arko:
[13:45] <eroomde> i need you
[13:46] <fsphil> I knew it would happen
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[13:59] <HixWork> PDM installation research it looks like. On Oracle database, hmmm
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[14:10] <mfa298> Oracle database? run away fast, I'm sure the only reason people choose Oracle is for job security.
[14:13] <HixWork> it's integrated, unfortunately
[14:13] <HixWork> Oracle==Evil in my experience
[14:15] <eroomde> oh you can do copy and paste of layout and schematic properly in eagle now
[14:15] <eroomde> without the breaking consistency bodge
[14:15] <eroomde> that's very good news
[14:16] <HixWork> have they embraced th e90's at last?
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[14:17] <mfa298> Im sure there are some good reasons for Oracle but my experience is that most places have it as their Corporate Database platform because it's what they've always used so you spend ages trying to get things to work with it rather than using something that's supported by the software you're installing
[14:17] <eroomde> than can also do meanders automatically to ensire differential pairs are the same lengthj
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[14:30] <HixWork> ping eroomde
[14:30] <mfa298> daveake: if you do another pie flight with ssdv maybe you should add a black helicopter to one of the images (just seen the reg comments)
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[14:31] <daveake> Weren't the UFOs enough then? :p
[14:31] <mfa298> I just saw which image you'd linked to
[14:32] Action: mfa298 should have read the other comments and followed the links
[14:32] <daveake> :)
[14:32] <mfa298> although a black chopper on a real pic from >30K could be good for the tin foil hat brigade
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[14:33] <eroomde> HixWork: pong
[14:33] <HixWork> Saw this for sale / swap on london hackspace Rigol DS1052E 50Mhz DSO Dunno if any use to you, didn't you mention Rigol t'other day?
[14:34] <eroomde> i mentioned them in the context of them being decent
[14:34] <eroomde> and you can do a fairly simple mode to increase the bandidth to 100MHz
[14:34] <HixWork> Thought you were after a home one, they did mention easily hacked to 100MHz
[14:35] <eroomde> i have my own one
[14:35] <eroomde> i'd like the brand new rigol if someone wanted to give me one :)
[14:35] <HixWork> Ah oki, thought I'd let you know
[14:35] <HixWork> heh
[14:35] <eroomde> ty though :)
[14:35] <HixWork> nps
[14:35] <eroomde> Upu should buy it
[14:35] <HixWork> was Chrisstubbs after one?
[14:36] <eroomde> Upu was
[14:36] <UpuWork> how much is it ?
[14:36] <HixWork> Dont know Upu - http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/User:B3cft
[14:37] <HixWork> is yer man
[14:37] <UpuWork> ta
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[16:03] <arko> eroomde: sup
[16:07] <eroomde> s'ok
[16:07] <eroomde> xilinx tools on ubuntu
[16:07] <eroomde> u tried?
[16:07] <eroomde> regardless i think i need to redownload and try a different way
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[16:10] <arko> I HATE ISE
[16:10] <arko> sorry
[16:10] <arko> but it's not much better on windows
[16:11] <arko> i cant compile on the 64bit edition, but can compile on 32bit
[16:11] <arko> if it try to copy paste code onto my word document lab report in 32bit, it crashes
[16:11] <arko> but doesn't crash on 64bit
[16:11] <arko> that's my current problem for the day
[16:11] <fsphil> sounds 68% awful
[16:11] <arko> it's garbage
[16:12] <arko> and to update, you need to download a 5GB file
[16:12] <arko> EVERYTIME
[16:12] <nick_> eroomde: I was asked to spam people about the intelligent front end school this summer.
[16:12] <arko> they update nearly every other week
[16:12] <nick_> Consider yourself spammed.
[16:12] <arko> and if you use their in program updater for 14.4, it downgrades you to 14.3 and says you are up to date
[16:12] <arko> then when you boot up 14.4, it says you are out of date!!!
[16:13] <fsphil> 86% awful then
[16:13] <arko> eroomde: in short, no i have not used the ubuntu version
[16:16] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Arko, you are pasting code into MS WORD or ?
[16:16] <arko> eroomde: redownload is like 5GB :(
[16:16] <arko> Wolfy yeah
[16:16] <arko> for a school lab report
[16:16] <arko> we need to paste code
[16:16] <eroomde> nick_: noted
[16:16] <eroomde> arko:fibre internet connection at home
[16:16] <eroomde> takes about 20 mins
[16:16] <arko> :O
[16:16] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I know MS Word tends to insert things in the background... have you tried notepad or something similar ?
[16:16] <eroomde> paste code!?
[16:16] <arko> we are so behind here in the states
[16:17] <eroomde> MS word?
[16:17] <eroomde> what kind of madness?
[16:17] <nick_> (If you email the guy about getting the cheap local rate mention that I told you about it)
[16:17] <eroomde> god invented latex for a reason
[16:17] <arko> :'( i cry everytime
[16:17] <arko> so that people cant have kids that will one day grow up to be professors who require code to be copy pasted into ms word?
[16:17] <Wolfy-K4GHL> MS Word is BAAAADDDDDD for trying to save things when you want WYSIWYG ... cause it aint the case...
[16:18] <arko> the clipboard literally crash both MS word and ISE
[16:18] <arko> it's insane
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[16:18] <arko> and crashes explorer too
[16:18] <arko> WINDOWS *thumbs up*
[16:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Try wordpad or notepad...
[16:18] <nick_> arko: just put a link to a repository instead of the code.
[16:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I want to say its something about the encoding process that buggers everything up
[16:19] <arko> i dont think this professor know how to handle that
[16:19] <nick_> Then give the professor a D.
[16:19] <arko> Wolfy" very likely
[16:19] <arko> the Data?
[16:20] <Wolfy-K4GHL> its been over 15 years since I worked at microsoft ... I have forgotten a lot since then since I dont use it every day
[16:21] <Wolfy-K4GHL> arko where you from?
[16:21] <arko> los angeles
[16:21] <Wolfy-K4GHL> i'm sorry (roflmlwao)
[16:22] <arko> ?
[16:22] <chrisstubbs> My friend lent me some jeppesen air navigation charts to take a look at, so much on there it took me a good 5 minuites to figure out what way round to hold it :P
[16:23] <Wolfy-K4GHL> LA is in californication... one of the few states I never lost anything in that i wanted back bad enough to go there and get it...
[16:23] <arko> chrisstubbs: http://skyvector.com/
[16:23] <eroomde> i like california
[16:23] <arko> me too
[16:23] <eroomde> i shall move there one day
[16:23] <number10> its a great state
[16:23] <arko> eroomde: hell yeah
[16:24] <nick_> CA is cool, LA not so much
[16:24] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah for taxes, restricted rights, traffic jams...
[16:24] <arko> oh no
[16:24] <Wolfy-K4GHL> go buy a 30 round mag for an AR... let alone buy an AR
[16:24] <arko> DAMN IT
[16:24] <arko> i was about to say
[16:24] <arko> let me guess, gun nut
[16:25] <nick_> (I say that mostly from my friend's experience who managed to escape to Pittsburgh since I've only been at LAX)
[16:25] <eroomde> guns and dogs and trucks?
[16:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> oddly though... a guy sells 80% finished AR lowers from there... cheap
[16:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yup
[16:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> :D
[16:25] <nick_> s/Pittsburgh/Philly
[16:25] <arko> yeah yeah
[16:25] <arko> too kerrr jerbs
[16:25] <arko> blah blah
[16:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> own a 2002 Freightliner Classic, 01 Dodge Ram, 99 Durango, have 5 pups, and over a dozen weapons... and a couple dozen radios... :)
[16:26] <arko> taxes suck sure, guns (bought my ammo and stuff years ago) i dont even go shooting its been many many years, and traffic jams are only for people who dont know how to drive in LA ;)
[16:27] <eroomde> or people who drive
[16:27] <arko> ^^
[16:27] Action: eroomde wears his smug road-bike hat
[16:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ROFL
[16:27] <arko> wear it proud
[16:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Californication.. the only place where drugs are legal and guns aint .... /ponder
[16:28] <arko> oh who cares
[16:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Rules for driving in LA 1) Dont drive - problem solved
[16:29] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I got a friend from china who lives there.. either LA or San Fran... he loves it there.. does stock trading for a living...
[16:29] <arko> at least there are things to do here
[16:29] <arko> every time i go anywhere outside of LA, SF, NY i'm bored the next day
[16:29] <arko> other than europe and stuff, which i get to find out soon :)
[16:30] <arko> im pretty sure i will like europe
[16:31] <nick_> Go somewhere cool in Europe.
[16:31] <arko> Vienna!
[16:31] <arko> im looking forward to eating those bread, hotdog, cheese things
[16:32] <arko> mostly thinking about food
[16:32] <eroomde> there is lots of it
[16:32] <arko> oh man, Los Angeles is awesome for food
[16:32] <arko> everything you can think of
[16:32] <arko> SF and NY too
[16:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Shoot I got bored in Vegas after 3 days...
[16:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> and won a bunch of money too... brought it all home...
[16:33] <arko> oh Vegas is lame, i only go for DEFCON
[16:34] <eroomde> you spent it on guns, dogs, and trucks. and the rest you squandered?
[16:34] <arko> lol
[16:35] <Wolfy-K4GHL> bought a pickup when i got home :)
[16:35] <arko> trucks are nice
[16:36] <arko> glad our roads support them
[16:36] <arko> eroomde: prepare yourselves http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j-BPWQv-yRk
[16:36] <arko> forgot who sent me this on this channel, but i love i
[16:36] <arko> t
[16:36] <Upu> it was me :)
[16:36] <arko> <3
[16:36] <arko> the best
[16:37] <Upu> sweary words in video btw
[16:37] <arko> oh yeah
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[16:38] <cuddykid> arko: did you find your payload at the weekend?
[16:38] <arko> :) yes
[16:39] <cuddykid> excellent
[16:39] <arko> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEX2#Launch_.26_Recovery
[16:39] <Upu> me and Arko are joint leaders in "most scenic place to land a playload"
[16:39] <Upu> payload..
[16:39] <arko> indeed
[16:39] <arko> next time, hawaii
[16:39] <arko> i need an excuse to travel to that land we took over
[16:39] <cuddykid> very cool
[16:40] <arko> :)
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[16:40] <arko> i must say, the Slovak recovery team looks bad ass
[16:40] <arko> especially that dude in camo
[16:40] <arko> bah, language
[16:41] <Upu> lol
[16:41] <Morseman> Hummm, so how do you turn Conference Mode back on, or is it something the channel operators have set?
[16:41] <arko> the guy looks like he's out of a Bond film
[16:41] <arko> "no mr bond, i expect to recover that hab"
[16:42] <eroomde> Morseman: as far as I can see 'COnference Mode' is a term made up by chatzilla
[16:42] <cuddykid> trying out a whole new payload setup with this 'lab' payload - got a camera boom that sits above the payload box - cameras mounted on either end and windows in the payload box :)
[16:42] <Morseman> "The name's Bond, HAB Bond"
[16:42] <eroomde> it's a client specific thing
[16:42] <eroomde> we have no power over it
[16:42] <arko> irc hasn't been updated since like 1997
[16:42] <arko> good times
[16:43] <Morseman> Yes eroomde, but I can't figure out what I did to turn it off :)
[16:43] <eroomde> Morseman: http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#conf-mode
[16:44] <Morseman> AH! "The Conference Mode limit can be set on the Appearance tab in preferences for Global Settings, an entire network, or for a single channel. "
[16:44] <arko> eroomde: whats your downspeed at home?
[16:45] <eroomde> >50Mb/s, <100Mb/s
[16:45] <Wolfy-K4GHL> is there any issue with external cams at high altitude or is it all reliant on the power itself ie: batteries freezing?
[16:46] <eroomde> they cameras usually dissipate enough power to keep themselves fairly warm
[16:46] <Morseman> And this is why only this channel "By default, this occurs only in channels with more than 150 users."
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[16:48] <arko> eroomde wow
[16:49] Action: cuddykid cracks out the uno for some prototyping
[16:52] <chrisstubbs> watcha working on cuddykid?
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[16:52] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: interfacing pi with flight computer (arduino based)
[16:52] <cuddykid> send ssdv photos from pi -> flight computer for transmitting
[16:52] <arko> lol bitcoins are at $80
[16:53] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid, Nice :) I guess your geeping the AVR to do the GPS/TX side of things incase the pi craps out?
[16:54] <chrisstubbs> *keeping
[16:54] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: yeah, will be running the same board you recovered :) - save me having to interface GPS & radio with pi
[16:54] <cuddykid> did think of sticking an ntx2 on the pi and keeping the two separate, that's the backup plan
[16:55] <cuddykid> depends how reliable this software serial is going to be
[16:56] <chrisstubbs> If i get NSE back come this weekend i will rip the ntx2 off that and put it on my pi. threw toghether a python script to do the nmea parsing and compile the telemetry string the other night
[16:56] <chrisstubbs> would like to play with SSDV too
[16:57] <cuddykid> it's nice being able to code a flight computer in python
[16:57] <chrisstubbs> never used it before since this, but its not bad to use
[16:59] <chrisstubbs> ah softwareserial, that could be painful sending a whole image?
[16:59] <chrisstubbs> or would the buffer cope with a packet at a time?
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[17:05] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: yeah, just a packet at a time
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[17:12] <cuddykid> woo, got serial comms from arduino -> pi, now just need to reverse it :)
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[17:24] <fsphil> seems a shame connecting an arduino to such a powerful computer :)
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[18:02] <willdude123> Evening guys.
[18:03] <willdude123> I hate to sound sexist, but do many women do High Altitude Ballooning?
[18:07] <arko> willdude123: it truely is unfortunate, but not a lot of women are in engineering.
[18:07] <arko> especially electrical and aerospace
[18:07] <arko> enourage more to join has always been my motto
[18:08] <arko> stratodean has one i believe i've seen who had a woman on the team
[18:09] <arko> has been the only one i believe*
[18:09] <Randomskk> asking if many women do HAB isn't sexist
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[18:09] <Randomskk> CUSF generally have a few women a year on the team
[18:09] <arko> actually, we had a few now that i think about it on ours
[18:09] <arko> :P
[18:11] <arko> i just looked around our FPGA lab right now, 6 girls 16 guys, which i must say, isn't bad
[18:12] <willdude123> Right. I need to start with making my own RTTY code. I really wish the arduino could handle python. :(
[18:15] <arko> as much as i want to agree, learning C and how microcontrollers optimize and compile is very important
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[18:16] <fsphil> yes
[18:16] <chrisstubbs> yeah once you know C you can get to grips with most other things
[18:18] <willdude123> K.
[18:18] <willdude123> So where do I start? :)
[18:19] <chrisstubbs> you got anthony's code working
[18:19] <chrisstubbs> ?
[18:20] <willdude123> Yep.
[18:20] <chrisstubbs> well your off to a pretty good start! what do you want to make it do?
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[18:28] <willdude123> GPS
[18:28] <willdude123> And radio.
[18:28] <willdude123> Basically as a payload would do.
[18:28] <chrisstubbs> accidental payload construction
[18:29] <chrisstubbs> well different people here prefer different ways of doing it. I use the TinyGPS library to handle the GPS side of things
[18:30] <chrisstubbs> there is also another mode for the ublox where you ask it for the coordinates, and it replies. However i have no experience with that
[18:30] <willdude123> I've heard you can either poll the gps for the required data, or let it send everything out and parse it with tinygps.
[18:31] <willdude123> Shall I use softwareserial?
[18:31] <chrisstubbs> yep thats it
[18:31] <chrisstubbs> if you want, but prepare for IRC war :P
[18:31] <chrisstubbs> may as well use hardware serial if you can
[18:32] <chrisstubbs> SS seems to cause no end of problem for some, and just work for others
[18:32] <cuddykid> new blog post - http://habe.acudworth.co.uk/blog/ :)
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[18:41] <cuddykid> daveake - your chase car setup gets a mention in my latest blog post :)
[18:41] <cuddykid> inspiring all HABists
[18:41] <daveake> hah
[18:41] <cuddykid> it's quite a sight
[18:44] <daveake> I now have a tablet where that scanner was
[18:44] <cuddykid> yeah, I saw that a while back - couldn't find the new pic though
[18:45] <cuddykid> ah, got it
[18:45] <cuddykid> my slow internet not loading up photos
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[18:46] <cuddykid> http://www.daveakerman.com/?attachment_id=904 have you customised the dashboard too as that looks like some sort of kit you'd find in an airplane?!
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[18:47] <daveake> Oh the compass/altimeter/falling-over-meter?
[18:47] <daveake> Nah that's standard
[18:48] <cuddykid> nice
[18:48] <cuddykid> an out of the factory chase car
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[18:48] <daveake> It left the factory 16 years ago ...
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[18:49] <cuddykid> ah, you see they knew HAB would be the next big thing 16 years ago :)
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[18:51] <daveake> hah
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[18:59] <Ijon_Tichi> yay i got my LC-Meter kit today and it works fine ^^
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[19:01] <Ijon_Tichi> but im a little bit afraid to dare sorting the ca. 1.5Kg of ceramic and foil capacitors in my "random parts box" xDDD
[19:02] <bertrik> build a sorting machine :)
[19:02] <Upu> 1.5kg :)
[19:03] <Upu> if thats SMD's I suspect you're going to be busy
[19:03] <Ijon_Tichi> hehe, would be much more frustrating than just do it by hand (based on the hundrets of formfactors xD)
[19:03] <Ijon_Tichi> no, just "old radio" stuff
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[19:04] <Ijon_Tichi> mostly radial foil-caps
[19:04] <Ijon_Tichi> and ceramics
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[19:15] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: Getting bits together for our launch re-take this weekend http://t.co/LiPhO4S9D6 #ukhas #check #check #checklist http://t.co/QaZq3S8z9I [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/324239640783626240]
[19:15] <willdude123> Hi Upu.
[19:15] <Upu> evening Will
[19:18] <willdude123> I've decided to start coding for my tracker.
[19:18] <willdude123> So I'll start from scratch somehow.
[19:18] <willdude123> I don't really know where to start.
[19:19] <fsphil> a blinking LED
[19:19] <fsphil> always a good first program :)
[19:20] <willdude123> Been there done that.
[19:20] <fsphil> the make it blink morse code
[19:20] <fsphil> then*
[19:20] <willdude123> :(
[19:20] <willdude123> Fine.
[19:20] <willdude123> I have a gps and an ntx2 on my breadboard atm.
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[19:22] <Wolfy-K4GHL> step 1) hire someone to program for ya 2) pay them 3) say you did it yourself :D
[19:22] <Wolfy-K4GHL> now THATS the American way!
[19:23] <fsphil> HELL YEAH
[19:23] <chrisstubbs> YOUUU ESSSS AYYYY
[19:24] <Ijon_Tichi> pro level: hire an asian to code for you and hang out on the interwebz all day
[19:24] <fsphil> I'm sure I read about someone doing that recently
[19:24] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Hmmmm Chris when you say it like that it sounds... mexican....
[19:24] <Ijon_Tichi> pay him $1 per hour and earn $50 per hour
[19:25] <Ijon_Tichi> fsphil: yep someone done this and got bustet a few weeks ago
[19:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Thats the problem here in the US Ijon... its cheaper for us to import items from china for that reason .. down side is that when the imports stop, we have no infrastructure to do what we didnt want to do... has happened a few times particularly with the military vehicles and parts...
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[19:26] <Ijon_Tichi> the got him as they noticed suspicious acceses to the intranet from asia, and then found out that the guy gave him intranet acces to work for him ^^
[19:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> shameful really..
[19:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> oops... hehehe
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[19:27] <Ijon_Tichi> Wolfy-K4GHL: i saw some major problems also in your energy distribution over there in my 2 visits
[19:28] <willdude123> fsphil: This will take a while. :C
[19:28] <fsphil> rtty would actually be simpler to do than morse tbh
[19:28] <Upu> it took me a year and a half Will
[19:28] <willdude123> fsphil: Am I allowed to cheat a little and make my PC send the morse code over serial.
[19:29] <DrLuke> nickjohnson: are you home yet? :P
[19:29] <willdude123> ?
[19:29] <DrLuke> whoops wrong channel, lol
[19:29] <Ijon_Tichi> i am a bit related to the energy stuff as my dad works as a technican for a major energy corp. here
[19:30] <Ijon_Tichi> and what ive seen over there let me thought "OMFG its pure luck that souch infrastructure actually does "anything""
[19:33] <fsphil> willdude123: up to you. depends how much you what to do in one go
[19:33] <fsphil> no point rushing :)
[19:33] <willdude123> Hmm.
[19:34] <fsphil> send it . and - symbols maybe
[19:35] <willdude123> http://code.google.com/p/arduino-morse/
[19:35] <willdude123> There. :)
[19:35] <willdude123> Lol.
[19:37] <fsphil> now get it working with the ntx2 :)
[19:38] <Wolfy-K4GHL> What do you mean Ijon?
[19:38] <chrisstubbs> :D fixed my calculator watch!
[19:39] <Ijon_Tichi> Wolfy-K4GHL: i mean the whole quality of the power lines for example
[19:39] <Wolfy-K4GHL> erf? such as? the type of wire or size or?
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[19:40] <fsphil> most of the power lines are underground here
[19:41] <Ijon_Tichi> mostly wooden poles with "pot"-transformers which looked kinda randomly scattered on this or that pole
[19:41] <Wolfy-K4GHL> i'll give ya that one..
[19:41] <Wolfy-K4GHL> the transformers are scattered depending on the power need
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[19:42] <Wolfy-K4GHL> and i have heard before that they made a mistake running it over land... but cost wise its cheaper to do that and keep fixing poles
[19:42] <Ijon_Tichi> the problem is just that if something breaks its like a chain effect there
[19:42] <Ijon_Tichi> as assume on what i saw
[19:44] <Wolfy-K4GHL> up north in new england ... Maine New Hampshire Vermont Mass Connecticut NY where the snow flys often, they should have run stuff underground.. down here in the south in North Carolina we get ice storms that weigh heavy on the trees and they come down and take out the lines.. rarely do the lines themselves snap, but the poles do
[19:47] <Ijon_Tichi> i think controlling the load and feed in this net will be a horror for the staff in the near future
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[19:48] <Ijon_Tichi> here in germany we have problems like wind parks and solar power which are very variable feeders but the voltage have to be held constant
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[19:51] <willdude123> fsphil: I have got a and b in morse code.
[19:51] <Ijon_Tichi> one day as i was visiting the loal grid controll, we had very strong winds and the staff just hit the ceiling because they didnt know where to get rid of all the energy
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[19:51] <willdude123> I have 2 functions, dit and dah, but I have to call them manually atm.
[19:52] <Ijon_Tichi> willdude123: maybe make something like a lookup table?
[19:55] <Wolfy-K4GHL> willdude123 have you seen http://arduino.cc/en/Hacking/LibraryTutorial ?
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[19:57] <Wolfy-K4GHL> looks like at the bottom of the page is a morse.zip file ....
[19:58] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I figure why rewrite something if someone has already done it... /shrug
[20:00] <fsphil> to learn
[20:01] <Upu> to understand
[20:01] <Upu> also use other peoples you'll end up with some dumb error *cough* int altitude a la Trackuino
[20:01] <nigelvh> Yeah
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[20:04] <willdude123> How do you iterate through a string, so I have an array of the letters, written in morse in the form ".-", etc.
[20:05] <willdude123> I want to make it call the functions dit and dah.
[20:07] <mfa298> assuming the arduino is doing standard C stuff then a string is an array of characters
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[20:08] <fsphil> it is
[20:08] <fsphil> if you have a string s
[20:08] <willdude123> Yeah.
[20:08] <fsphil> the first character is s[0]
[20:08] <fsphil> you'll know you've reached the end when you find one that == 0
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[20:10] <mfa298> and if you want to do it properly you also want to check you've not looked at more characters than can fit in the string
[20:11] <mfa298> (although the easiest check to do first is end when the character matches '\0')
[20:11] <mfa298> (or == 0)
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[20:17] <LokisSword> evening gents :)
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[20:19] <fsphil> ello
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[20:19] <LokisSword> got my pcr-1000 :)
[20:21] <fsphil> nice. got it wired up yet?
[20:25] <LokisSword> yup - just scanning through some AM stuff
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[20:29] <fsphil> there's a surprising amount of stations in the MW band
[20:29] <LokisSword> Hopefully pick up a Diamond X50 some payday for tracking stuff....
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[20:30] <LokisSword> Might build my own discone for broadband scanning
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[20:44] <cm13g09> I know this might not be the best place to ask, but could people do me a favour and suggest which PCB houses they've used with success in the past
[20:45] <cuddykid> anyone know when .space gTLDs are available?
[20:45] <craag> cm13g09: Hackvana
[20:46] <craag> http://www.hackvana.com/store/
[20:46] <craag> Also check out #hackvana
[20:47] <nigelvh> I've used oshpark and pcbfabexpress
[20:47] <Wolfy-K4GHL> You guys want a laugh... check out these idiots.. http://11foot8.com ... an 11 foot 8 bridge with BIG warning signs that truck drivers of all kinds cant seem to see...
[20:48] <Upu> raising a hand for hackvana also
[20:49] <cm13g09> ok, cheers guys
[20:49] <cm13g09> I take it the shipping on Hackvana isn't insane
[20:49] <Upu> no
[20:49] <cm13g09> awesome
[20:49] <Upu> its a fraction more than Seeed
[20:50] <cm13g09> I'm usually a PCBtrain user
[20:50] <Upu> about $18 for 10 x 50mm x 50mm delivered
[20:50] <Upu> price may vary depending where you are
[20:50] <Upu> and sometimes he's a little slow to respond
[20:50] <cm13g09> okie dokes
[20:50] <Upu> but you can go talk to him, #hackvana called cryptically "hackvana" is real name is Mitch
[20:51] <cm13g09> these are slightly larger boards (of the 150mm x 99mm flavour)
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[21:18] <alexb_> Check this at 2.47: http://www.channel4.com/news/whatever-happened-to-global-warming
[21:19] <alexb_> Sorry 2:57, Is that Steve Randall?
[21:19] <Upu> looking
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[21:20] <Upu> yep
[21:20] <Upu> that had a bit more gas in it that ours did
[21:20] <alexb_> Was that last weekend?
[21:20] <Upu> don't think so
[21:20] <Upu> he does quite a bit of TV work
[21:21] <alexb_> I guess you would have noticed the TV being there :)
[21:21] <alexb_> Same car as in your pics though
[21:21] <Upu> well wasn't mine :)
[21:21] <Upu> I did a James May launch with him and Rob
[21:22] <alexb_> Got a link?
[21:22] <Upu> but Steve did that James May glider one too
[21:22] <Upu> err yeah 1 sec
[21:22] <Upu> https://plus.google.com/photos/118244444241111963790/albums/5635427279414187281?banner=pwa
[21:23] <alexb_> Top gear?
[21:23] <Upu> Man Lab
[21:23] <Upu> http://www.randomengineering.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/News.html
[21:23] <craag> Upu: Very cool! What was that yellow pole for btw?
[21:24] <Upu> haha
[21:25] <craag> It's huuuuge!
[21:25] <Upu> thats Robs tree / pylon extraction device
[21:25] <Upu> its mean for power lines
[21:25] <craag> huh
[21:25] <craag> fibreglass?
[21:25] <Upu> don't recal but its rated for touching live power lines
[21:26] <craag> Nice. All I can think of is that it'd make a decent antenna mast :P
[21:26] <chrisstubbs> http://bit.ly/ZYKikZ is that a big peperami stuck in a mag-mount in the middle?
[21:26] <Upu> haha
[21:26] <Upu> copper pipe
[21:26] <Upu> antenna for something
[21:26] <chrisstubbs> oh lol
[21:27] <chrisstubbs> thats seriously the only thing i thought it could be
[21:27] <craag> Looks like an antenna designed for 2KW!
[21:27] <Upu> tbh I think a 3G dongle sat at the top of it but it had snapped off
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[21:30] <cm13g09> Upu: I replied in #hackvana to your earlier question
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[21:32] <alexb_> night
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[21:33] <Upu> sounds like a plan
[21:33] <Upu> night all
[21:33] <chrisstubbs> night upu
[21:33] <chrisstubbs> hey mark
[21:33] <S_Mark> hey
[21:34] <chrisstubbs> hows it goooin?
[21:34] <S_Mark> Just made another video lol
[21:34] <S_Mark> Uploading
[21:34] <chrisstubbs> aha how longs it going to be?
[21:34] <S_Mark> might me a tomorrow job
[21:35] <S_Mark> be*
[21:35] <S_Mark> very serious :p
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> ahh fair enough
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> will give me somthing to do at college
[21:37] <chrisstubbs> Going to have another go at practicing our RDF skills with the DIY yagi tommorow with domlin. Will probably do a quick pre flight vid then too
[21:38] <S_Mark> It's not very long. Ah sounds good, we are going without a yagi - will see how sensible that decision is on the weekend!
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> i dont think we have much of an advantage. Last time we tested this thing it wasnt at all directional haha
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> made from scraps of copper cable, wood and tape. lots of tape
[21:40] <S_Mark> yeah i would defo make one myself if we needed it
[21:41] <S_Mark> can be pricey cant they
[21:42] <LokisSword> hmm ok, SDR dongle was nice, but playing with a real radio is a lot more fun :)
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> there is a nice one by lprs for about 40 quid they like on here, but i ordered this last week: http://bit.ly/XPYfHz
[21:44] <mfa298> if the gps is working and you get data from a low altitude that's probably more accurate and quicker than using a yagi.
[21:45] <mfa298> yagi is likely to help if you're not getting a good enough signal to get the telemetry, or you're not getting valid data
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> all things that could well happen
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> with any luck it will go smoothly though :)
[21:48] <SpeedEvil> just switch bands.
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> if you put a quarter wave'longwave antenna on, it will stick up over the trees.
[21:49] <chrisstubbs> ahah
[21:49] <craag> SpeedEvil: This comes back to, why don
[21:49] <craag> 't we use 136KHz :P
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> I wonder how long it will be until upu starts using pink wire in his payloads too
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> and pink boards
[21:50] <mfa298> need a very long wire for 136khz
[21:51] <craag> Yep!
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> it's not that long
[21:51] <mfa298> hmmm, payload, 500m cable to small balloon, then string to a balloon to give the lift
[21:51] <S_Mark> that is pretty cheap!
[21:51] <SpeedEvil> it's only about a kilometer
[21:52] <SpeedEvil> half for a earthed quarter wave
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> however
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> you would need to aim it out to sea
[21:53] <SpeedEvil> it would find a power line
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[21:54] <mfa298> end fed 1/2 wave could get nasty as it's high impedance feed, although I wonder how a 3/4 would work.
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[21:55] <craag> Seriously though, we are planning to try some 27MHz stuff, which may work a bit better on the ground than 70cm.
[21:55] <mfa298> 1/2 would work with a suitable matching network and I think as it's high impedance you can ignore the other side
[21:56] <mfa298> 27Mhz does seem like a good idea.
[21:57] <craag> Dipole isn't that bad, only 2x 2.5m. Chase car antennas are perfectly manageable as well.
[21:57] <SpeedEvil> mfa298: I was meaning mid-fed half wave
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> balloon, 500m wire, payload, ...
[21:58] <mfa298> mid fed would work although you might find your sitting on half the antenna - but should still get some power out
[21:59] <SpeedEvil> how half the antenna?
[21:59] <mfa298> and chase car for 27Mhz is very easy, it could even double up as inter car comms on 10m/cb :p
[21:59] <craag> 136KHz is an amateur band though, I was joking about it. Although of course once the payload is down you can start transmitting down, while you still have 500m of antenna in the air!
[21:59] <mfa298> need to find some 500m high trees to land in though :p
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> ahhh man got a reply abouth the £30 mobile phone watch. No android. No java apps :(
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> habwatch is out of the question
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> I was looking at the motoactv
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> it is basically the same chioset as the Nokia n900
[22:01] <SpeedEvil> but no phone
[22:01] <mfa298> could go for a slightly shorter antenna with 6765 MHz - although that's with a useful 42dBA/m @ 10m
[22:01] <craag> mfa298: :/
[22:02] <craag> like your path loss do you?
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[22:03] <chrisstubbs> SpeedEvil, that things pretty cool, not sure about the price though
[22:03] <chrisstubbs> anyway i better go, laters guys
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> yeah, silly price
[22:03] <mfa298> sorry that should have been 6765KHz
[22:04] <mfa298> also known as 6.765 MHz
[22:04] <mfa298> brain and hands wern't workign togther there
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