[00:00] <G4SGX> I've written code for micro-controllers and linux platforms for many years, some interfacing with RF units but know nothing of 'flight dynamics'. Alot to learn but all very exciting.
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[00:00] <willdude123> Has AVA lost signal?
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[00:01] <griffonbot> @grandmasterhack: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/grandmasterhack/status/323224436109103104]
[00:02] <mfa298> G4SGX: I think a lot of it is fairly simple if you know how code for microcontrollers and there are lots of arduino/avr examples on the ukhas wiki
[00:02] <arko> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:02] <willdude123> Did AVA stop transmitting or domething?
[00:02] <arko> Search and rescue have found it!!!!
[00:02] <mfa298> arko: congratulations
[00:02] <nigelvh> Nice dude
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[00:03] <arko> Im jumping around like a kid
[00:03] <mfa298> willdude123: the rfm22 in ava seems to be dodgy, it works occasionally
[00:03] <Wolfy-K4GHL> way to go!!!!
[00:04] <willdude123> mfa: Is the aprs dead too?
[00:04] <mrvica> haha, great
[00:04] <Morseman> arko - Good news! Bet that was some story about search and rescue!
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[00:04] <arko> :)
[00:04] <arko> im so happy right now
[00:04] <mfa298> the aprs has been working but i dont think its always picked up (when its in a suitable country)
[00:04] <mrvica> :D
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[00:05] <G4SGX> mfa298: I think because the Rasberry Pi can run Linux (reduced) it really opens up new new possibilies in terms of interfacing and software control.
[00:05] <mrvica> I guess that this was already asked, but what's with the pictures on http://ssdv.habhub.org/ ?
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[00:06] <Morseman> mrvica some of them were pre-programmed to be transmitted as well as camera shots
[00:06] <willdude123> G4SGX: What's the opposite of day?
[00:07] <willdude123> wrong person
[00:07] <willdude123> Sorry
[00:07] <willdude123> mrvica: What's the opposite of day?
[00:07] <arko> 50m east of predicted landing site
[00:07] <arko> thanks to all the predictor devs!!!
[00:07] <mfa298> G4SGX: for HAB i think the pi is a mixed bag, it gives a broader rangle of languages to code in, but you loose some of the benefits of a micro-controller
[00:07] <mrvica> haha, that is what I thaught
[00:07] <mrvica> :D
[00:08] <mfa298> I dont thinkbit banging rtty at 50bd on a gpio worked well as other processes on the cpu mess up the timing
[00:09] <willdude123> He couldbe making it transmit really high res images instead.
[00:10] <Morseman> arko 50m seems well within the GPSR 'ballpark' even after they took away selective random error...
[00:11] <arko> hehe
[00:13] <Morseman> arko Glad to hear payload recovered, especially given where it dropped. Good luck with interrogating the memory to get back as much info on the flight as you can.
[00:14] <arko> :)
[00:14] <arko> yep!
[00:14] <mrvica> willdude123, did you think I were a bot? :D
[00:14] <mrvica> *I was
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[00:15] <willdude123> mrvica: No, I was going to proceed to say that at night, you can't see the sun, and above the clouds it'd be black. So he sends his nice screensavers instead.
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[00:17] <mrvica> :D
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[00:17] <mrvica> I thaught it was funny :D
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[00:18] <vk2io> Does PIE have an APRS call?
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[00:19] <G4SGX> PIE heading due south now.
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[00:20] <arko> ok, time to upgrade my server, g2g!
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[00:22] <Randomskk> arko: nice!!
[00:22] <Randomskk> 50m from the predicted landing spot, wow
[00:23] <arko> i know right!>
[00:23] <arko> :D
[00:23] <Randomskk> that's excellent
[00:23] <Randomskk> congrats!
[00:23] <Randomskk> pics! :P
[00:23] <arko> SOON!
[00:23] <arko> search and rescue is on their way back now
[00:23] <griffonbot> @fakanelo: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/fakanelo/status/323229993859698688]
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[00:25] <griffonbot> @rafvz: RT @AnthonyStirk: AVA's 70cms transmitter just came back to life, 434.450Mhz ish over central Germany #ukhas [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/323230524711788544]
[00:25] <G4SGX> mfa298: In that case maybe use a PIC for the RTTY and I/O and a Rasberry for the rest? I think its possible to make a custom kernel to avoid those sort of timing errors though maybe.
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[00:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Jules "[UKHAS] BONZO6 Launch Announcement 14/04/2013"
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[00:55] <Wolfy-K4GHL> erf?? they launching one tomorrow?
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[01:08] <griffonbot> @LarsTHansen: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/LarsTHansen/status/323241409115217920]
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[01:17] <KT5TK> PIE climbing over really high mountains now
[01:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> i bet it lands in italy :)
[01:21] <KT5TK> I only fear that we 'll not have listeners South of the mountain range.
[01:21] <KT5TK> Other than that, chances are good that it'll survive the morning
[01:22] <Dan-K2VOL> looking good
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[01:23] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/tUaG0dM.jpg
[01:23] <arko> KT5TK :)
[01:23] <arko> thats awesome
[01:26] <Dan-K2VOL> is the in-flight predictor still not working?
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[01:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> when is sunrise there in UTC?
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[01:38] <Sweeper__> Hello, I was directed here from the guide to using the NTX2 with an arduino and I was just looking to see if anyone has any experience or possibly any tips on using the tr2m with an arduino
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[01:38] <Dan-K2VOL> Sweeper__ you'll find more people that are active in here in the daytime of Europe, starting in about 6 hours from now
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[01:39] <Dan-K2VOL> that know just what you need
[01:39] <Dan-K2VOL> also see http://ukhas.org.uk for tutorials with what you need
[01:39] <Sweeper__> Alright, that sounds good. Yeah I've been scavenging that sight for information
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[01:40] <Sweeper__> trying to get this transceiver to work with my arduino and I'm just running into a mess of problems
[01:40] <Sweeper__> is there anyone in particular I should ask for at that time or like now just ask a broad question?
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[01:42] <Darkside> you said TR2M?
[01:43] <Darkside> din't know anything about those
[01:43] <Darkside> i think RocketBoy used onw
[01:44] <Darkside> you'd be wanting to use the AF input i guess
[01:44] <Darkside> not the digital in
[01:45] <Darkside> AF in would be the equivalent of the NTX2's TXD pin
[01:46] <Sweeper__> yeah, thats what I'm using, like I have the physical connections I think
[01:46] <Sweeper__> I'm just having a hard time interfacing it with an arduino
[01:46] <Darkside> can't really help with that
[01:47] <Sweeper__> thats fine, thanks for the attempt anyways, greatly appreciated
[01:48] <Wolfy-K4GHL> did you look at http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
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[01:50] <Darkside> Wolfy-K4GHL: not applicable
[01:50] <Darkside> its not a TNTX2
[01:50] <Darkside> NTX2*
[01:50] <Darkside> well, only partially applicable
[01:50] <Darkside> i'm guessing his problem si more with programming the TR2M for the right frequency
[01:51] <Sweeper__> yeah, like I have the frequency that I need and I understand how to get it set up with the transmitting functionality but the receiving concept is still what I'm working with
[01:51] <Darkside> oh
[01:51] <Sweeper__> this is also in conjunction with using ax25 packets
[01:51] <Darkside> i wouldn't receive on the TR2M
[01:51] <Darkside> well
[01:51] <Darkside> nobody here has used those modules to receive data
[01:52] <Sweeper__> i used that tutorial to get ahold of the transmission and it greatly helped
[01:52] <Darkside> the modules have only been used as they are a way of getting an agile, frequency-stable payload working
[01:53] <Wolfy-K4GHL> http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/tr2m.pdf
[01:53] <Darkside> Wolfy-K4GHL: i'm pretty sure he has the datasheet already
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[01:54] <Wolfy-K4GHL> shrug
[01:54] <Sweeper__> yeah I've been working with that.
[01:56] <Sweeper__> Thing is I'm comfortable with the arduino but I'm new to using the radio, like from the radio I have TXD/RXD/RSSI/SQF/AFOUT and AFIN and from my arduino I have Data IN/DataOut/Power (turns on/off)/ and sqf
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[01:56] <Sweeper__> and hooking them together I got that but programming the functionality I'm just confused on some things
[01:57] <Darkside> so you want to use the TX2D as a receiver?
[01:57] <Darkside> im not sure how well that'd work
[01:58] <Darkside> i guess if it has a 1200 baud modem in it it should be able to decode AX25 packets
[01:58] <Darkside> well, decode the bitstream anyway
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[01:58] <Darkside> then you have to de-manchester it and decode it
[01:59] <Wolfy-K4GHL> de-manchester??
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[02:01] <Darkside> Wolfy-K4GHL: ahh hang on, AX25 isnt manchester encodes is it
[02:01] <Darkside> its something else
[02:01] <Darkside> NRZI
[02:01] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-return-to-zero
[02:03] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Ahhhh ... used in 10baseT ... NOW i get it :) thanks
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[02:24] <Guest35747> watching pie...what a great ride!
[02:24] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah... its fascinating...
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[02:25] <Acton> still up and running?
[02:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yup
[02:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> headed for either italy or eastern france
[02:25] <Wolfy-K4GHL> bearing 227 moving 42kph
[02:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> 27.8km height
[02:26] <Acton> wow
[02:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> what time is sunrise in that area? in UTC?
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[02:29] <Guest35747> how long are the batteries expected to last for pie?
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[02:34] <Guest35747> Geneva Sunrise: 4:50 UTC (6:50AM Local)
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[02:39] <Wolfy-K4GHL> thanks guest
[02:39] <Wolfy-K4GHL> about 2 hours or so from now then right?
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[02:44] <Guest35747> yup...its 4:44am now local
[02:44] <Guest35747> in geneva...
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[02:46] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I am in the USA in North Carolina :) and a bit lazy to look it up... thanks for the info :)
[02:46] <AndrewS> PIE still floating nicely over Switzerland then? Looks like it's trying to avoid Italy? ;)
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[02:53] <Wolfy-K4GHL> it does dont it...
[02:57] <Wolfy-K4GHL> looks like its flying VFR now over the road :)
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[03:02] <arko> Gonna have a livestream of the HABEX2 unboxing in an hour or so.. stand by for links
[03:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> COOL arko
[03:07] <arko> :)
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[03:17] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I think PIE is trying to come home... ROFL
[03:17] <Wolfy-K4GHL> now THAT would be funny
[03:19] <Wolfy-K4GHL> anyone know what happened to AVA?
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[03:25] <AndrewS> Oooh, faint traces of sunlight on the SSDV!
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[03:42] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Andrew, is there a website for seeing them?
[03:44] <Wolfy-K4GHL> arko whats the website for the HABEX2 ?
[03:50] <Guest35747> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
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[03:50] <F6AIU> PIE problem from 05:43 utc
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[03:54] <F6AIU> PIE correction problem from 03:43 utc
[03:56] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Thanks Guest
[03:58] <Wolfy-K4GHL> F6AIU what does that mean?
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[04:06] <arko> HABEX IS HERE!!
[04:06] <arko> :)
[04:06] <arko> sorry no livestream we got carried away
[04:06] <arko> uploading to youtube now
[04:08] <Wolfy-K4GHL> awww man... :D
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[04:10] <geneva_bed> Any idea where PIE is?
[04:10] <Wolfy-K4GHL> F6AIU I take it PIE quit transmitting or is it out of range
[04:11] <Wolfy-K4GHL> geneva you see the last known of it?
[04:11] <Wolfy-K4GHL> or no
[04:12] <geneva_bed> Around Gstaad?
[04:12] <Wolfy-K4GHL> it was headed 297 at 20kph 28km in height for Lausanne Switzerland... but stopped
[04:12] <Wolfy-K4GHL> about a half hour ago
[04:13] <Wolfy-K4GHL> and the only APRS station i see on the map shows last online 6 hours ago
[04:13] <Wolfy-K4GHL> just south of Lac de Tseuzier
[04:16] <F6AIU> I posted the message on the list of hunters radiosondes and balloons for gonio
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[04:25] <ark0> http://imgur.com/a/Apq3r
[04:25] <ark0> WOOO!!!!
[04:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> WOOT... whats the item in the pic with the bottle cap?
[04:30] <geneva_bed> Is it possible tu see PIE with naked eye due to the sunrise?
[04:30] <ark0> http://imgur.com/a/Du3vZ
[04:31] <ark0> HABEX2 Pictures!!!
[04:31] <geneva_bed> Thats beautiful here: absolut no clouds!
[04:32] <geneva_bed> Amazing pictures :)
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[04:34] <griffonbot> @pchandyman: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/pchandyman/status/323293050816323584]
[04:34] <Wolfy-K4GHL> nice pics Ark0
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[04:35] <ark0> thanks :)
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[04:35] <Wolfy-K4GHL> what was the total cost of the flight.. any idea?
[04:36] <ark0> http://imgur.com/a/oksYX
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[04:40] <F6AIU> PIE we know battery life ?
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[04:42] <geneva_bed> I See à strange white point here... ballon or not?
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[04:43] <tim__> hello
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[04:45] <Defhammer> well it was launched at 10:00 yeaterday and they said it had enough battery power for 24 hrs
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[04:46] <Defhammer> so we probably have about 6hrs left give or take a couple of hours
[04:48] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I just had a thought... I wonder if the CME the other day had anything to do with these being silent....
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[05:01] <Wolfy-K4GHL> The G2-Moderate Geomagnetic Storm Watch is still in effect for 13-14 April. The initial shock from the coronal mass ejection observed on 11 April was reflected at our own Boulder magnetometer (shown above) around 6:55pm ET (22:55 GMT). Magnetometers around the world measure the change in Earth's magnetic field and register the sudden impulse at different strengths depending on location
[05:01] <Wolfy-K4GHL> and sometimes geological factors. The storm has its own magnetic field, and like two bar magnets, if the storm's magnetic field is opposite the Earth's magnetic field they connect well and the effects observed here on Earth are enhanced (i.e. better aurora viewing opportunities!). We are still waiting for the main driver of the storm and expect to see an increase in geomagnetic field
[05:01] <Wolfy-K4GHL> activity over the next several hours if the storm connects well. Keep an eye out in the Northern tier states around local midnight if you have clear skies, you just might get to see the light show.
[05:03] <Wolfy-K4GHL> from the FB page for spaceweather
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[05:05] <DL7AD> i can hear AVA very weak in berlin!
[05:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> WOOOT!!!!!
[05:06] <DL7AD> yes buts its so weak i cant decode it
[05:07] <DL7AD> unfor. i have no yagi
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[05:08] <jp123> Nothing heard from PIE for some hours, I gather?
[05:08] <Wolfy-K4GHL> make one... quick and simple... google Tape measure beam foxhunting
[05:08] <Wolfy-K4GHL> nothing jp123
[05:09] <Wolfy-K4GHL> in the US we use the tape measure beams on 146.565 mhz but it will pick up the third harmonic in the 440 range quite well
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[05:15] <DL7AD> i can decode AVA
[05:15] <DL7AD> from berlin
[05:16] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Very cool!
[05:16] <daveake> Hah great!
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[05:17] <Wolfy-K4GHL> oh yeah it just jumped on the map :D
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[05:18] <daveake> Amazing
[05:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> its over the czech republic now
[05:18] <daveake> So it's gone a very different direction to PIE
[05:18] <daveake> Those 2 balloons were launched from the same place at the same time
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[05:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> 23km height, rising 2.4m/s
[05:19] <Wolfy-K4GHL> shows DL7AD as the only receiver :P
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[05:20] <griffonbot> @daveake: PIE5 last received 90 minutes ago over Switzerland; AVA just been received over Czech Republic! #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323304779382145024]
[05:21] <alexb_> Are there no receivers in range of PIE?
[05:21] <daveake> Well they're probably all asleep
[05:21] <DL7AD> yeeah. the signal is not very strong
[05:21] <daveake> Hopefully we can get someone receiving soon
[05:21] <Wolfy-K4GHL> last i heard here was it was transmitting a solid carrier and no data
[05:22] <daveake> What PIE?
[05:22] <DL7AD> where is the PIE probably now?
[05:22] <daveake> Heading into France from Switzerland probably
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[05:23] <DL7AD> i may know someone in france let me his business card
[05:23] <DL7AD> i am going to call him today
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[05:24] <jp123> Is it likely the PIE batteries might be too low by now, if it became too cold at altitude overnight? Or they would definitely last 24 hours?
[05:24] <daveake> I think they should be fine
[05:24] <griffonbot> @vextasy: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/vextasy/status/323305862762467330]
[05:25] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO6 Launch Announcement 14/04/2013"
[05:27] <tobydj> Mornin all,what has happened to the PIE ?
[05:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> went dark hour and a half ago
[05:28] <Defhammer> I guess the battery died
[05:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> no F6AIU said the RTTY quit and was transmitting a solid carrier
[05:29] <geneva_bed> Somebody have contact info of this guy http://www.hb9bza.net/
[05:29] <geneva_bed> ?
[05:29] <daveake> OK if the rtty quit then the processor probably stopped
[05:29] <Defhammer> that means the RPI is off?
[05:30] <daveake> That's most likely
[05:30] <griffonbot> @vextasy: @daveake Will PIE5 and AVA now lose altitude or is there a chance they will ascend again as the temperature rises? #raspberry_pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/vextasy/status/323307322837458944]
[05:31] <Defhammer> how long will the ballon last at this point?
[05:32] <F6AIU> PIE loss received carrier for me now, my position 47.67/5.75 (decimal degres) there were also who followed HB9TQJ
[05:32] <griffonbot> @ukscone: RT @daveake: PIE5 last received 90 minutes ago over Switzerland; AVA just been received over Czech Republic! #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/ukscone/status/323307857464422401]
[05:33] <daveake> OK well please do try for a little longer in case it starts up
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Geneva_bed rchalmas@users.ch admin-fname: Robert
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-lname: Chalmas
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-street: 20, Bd des Promenades, CP 1225
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-city: Carouge GE
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-zip: CH-1227
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-country: CH
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-phone: +41.228200505
[05:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> admin-email: robert.chalmas@edu.ge.ch
[05:34] <tobydj> Does this mean that it now lost? Or is there a possibility that it will restart when it gets a bit warmer?
[05:34] <Wolfy-K4GHL> based on the whois of his domain name.. not sure how accurate it is
[05:34] <daveake> There's a chance it will start as it warms up in the sun
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[05:35] <daveake> Defhammer We don't know - it may burst after it ascends or it could keep going for another day
[05:35] <Wolfy-K4GHL> if it stayed on the same path, and same speed or close to it, then it should be over lake geneva
[05:36] <tobydj> Lets hope so
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[05:36] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I think it wants to go home... ROFL
[05:39] <griffonbot> @daveake: Photos from the PI5/AVA/uXABEN launch #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS http://t.co/yBQyCfx1TX [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323309611333591040]
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[05:44] <Wolfy-K4GHL> neat pics of the prepping Dave
[05:45] <alexb_> Eben Upton was there :)
[05:47] <Wolfy-K4GHL> man that thing needs to warm up and show where it is.. i'm tired an its 0145 here... hehehe
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[05:47] <DL7AD> i relocaed my transceiver so the cable attenue is not as high as before.
[05:50] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Hey Sven was reading your QRZ page... thats cool on how much you can hit when in the air...
[05:54] <MasterZap_> So do we have a number on how long the flight was (so far) ... both in distance and time?
[05:54] <DL7AD> i dont know:D unfor the airplane is broken currently
[05:55] <DL7AD> i have now a steady signal of AVA
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[05:55] <DL7AD> set up a yagi
[05:55] <MasterZap_> Seems 17 hours duration recorded by PIE, am I counting that right (until last data received)?
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[05:56] <MasterZap_> AVA is back again? Well at least it had the good decency of fly where there were some actual RECEIVERS :)
[05:57] <Wolfy-K4GHL> what ya make it out of Sven?
[05:57] <DL7AD> the output frequency.
[05:58] <DL7AD> and the yagi
[05:58] <Wolfy-K4GHL> where did you get the yagi?
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[05:58] <DL7AD> ehm i will hold the contact steady but im going to call some operators having better location
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[05:58] <DL7AD> i had one in the garage an set it up portable
[05:59] <Wolfy-K4GHL> MasterZap there are 4 folks hearing it now
[05:59] <DL7AD> but the cable is broken a bit.
[05:59] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ahhh ok
[05:59] <Wolfy-K4GHL> man that stinks ...
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[05:59] <DL7AD> but it works right now as good that we can use it
[05:59] <MasterZap_> The PIE?!!?
[06:00] <Wolfy-K4GHL> PIE is still silent..
[06:00] <DL7AD> the frequency of the AVA is descending meanwhile
[06:00] <Wolfy-K4GHL> we are talking about his antenna
[06:00] <Wolfy-K4GHL> whats that mean?
[06:01] <DL7AD> the frequency is descending slowly
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[06:03] <Wolfy-K4GHL> its going lower in freq? whats that a sign of?
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[06:04] <DL7AD> yes. correct. sign of that the ballon is getting warmer maybe.
[06:04] <HB9DTX> test
[06:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> its working HB9DTX
[06:06] <DL7AD> whats working?
[06:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ahh cool... its after sunrise there isnt it?
[06:06] <HB9DTX> Thanks
[06:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> he said test so i told him it worked
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[06:07] <DL7AD> ahhh :D
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[06:09] <Wolfy-K4GHL> welp... yall have fun.. its 0200 here and I am headed to bed... i gonna leave this up just so i can hopefully catch what ever convo happens should PIE decide to wake up... maybe its over the med and having a vacation or something :) yall have a great day and maybe will see ya in a few hours
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[06:12] <Robint91> hi all
[06:12] <Robint91> PIE seems to be lost?
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[06:13] <daveake> Yes seems batteries got too cold
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[06:15] <HB9DTX> Regarding PIE, I've a strong carryer at S9+ with LNA. Might be a birdie, I alsmost never listen to this part of the band ?
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[06:15] <Defhammer> well it lasted a while and it gave us some nice pics
[06:15] <HB9DTX> Anyway if it can help, I am in JN36LX and the carier is at 434.070 coming from west.
[06:15] <daveake> If it's PIE there'll be 2 carriers about 4kHz apart
[06:16] <HB9DTX> Don't hear the 2nd carrier
[06:16] <daveake> ok ta
[06:18] <OM1ATS> Good morning boys, I have clear and strong AVA signal
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[06:19] <Robint91> PIE is considered lost?
[06:19] <daveake> I think most likely it's lost now but it's worth listening out for it in case it start up again in the sun
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[06:21] <griffonbot> @hansolo_: RT @PD3EM: The PIE High Altitude Balloon is still floating. Listeners in F, HB9 and I appreciated! See http://t.co/7wDftLWw48 #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/hansolo_/status/323319997277560832]
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[06:26] <PE2BZ> Looks like the PIE is going on it's way back to England ;-)
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[06:30] <x-f> good morning
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[06:30] <x-f> AVA came back to life, nice
[06:31] <daveake> Indeed!
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[06:31] <Pyropetepete> Morning all
[06:31] <daveake> It has quite a lot more battery life than PIE had (or did)
[06:31] <Upu> WOAH
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[06:31] <daveake> haha
[06:31] <daveake> he wakes
[06:31] <Upu> how did it get htere :)
[06:31] <daveake> GOOD morning :)
[06:31] <Pyropetepete> Yeah my batteries ran out
[06:31] <Pyropetepete> How's everything looking
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[06:32] <nigelvh> Evening
[06:32] <Upu> PIE still being RX'd ?
[06:32] <daveake> No
[06:32] <daveake> Apparently it dropped to carrier only
[06:32] <Pyropetepete> PIE down or offline?
[06:32] <daveake> offline
[06:32] <Upu> wow you nearly got sunrise
[06:32] <daveake> It'll still be up
[06:32] <daveake> yes nearly
[06:33] <Upu> batteries or no rx ?
[06:33] <Pyropetepete> Wil it fire back up?
[06:33] <daveake> Might do
[06:33] <sp6ryd> AVA Team - good work :-) still on fly
[06:33] <Upu> and its going backup nicely
[06:33] <daveake> Amazing how different the flight paths are considering they were launched at the same time and place
[06:33] <Upu> yep
[06:34] <Upu> APRS isn't working
[06:34] <Upu> shame
[06:34] <daveake> oh, shame
[06:34] <nigelvh> That stinks.
[06:34] <Upu> hang on let me check code
[06:34] <Upu> well APRS counter is going up so
[06:35] <Upu> yeah its enabled for .cz
[06:35] <Pyropetepete> David, whats needed to make it better and better
[06:35] <Upu> haha awesome
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[06:35] <Robint91> high power and FEC in the telemetry
[06:35] <Robint91> I would say
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[06:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: AVA RST=539 in Gliwice :-)
[06:37] <Pyropetepete> I can do long range wifi @ 150mbpsover 2,4Mhz so far i've had 24 miles
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[06:37] <Upu> Looks like AVA decided Germany was pants and thought Poland looked like a bette roption
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[06:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: btw shift is 470 Hz not 500
[06:39] <Upu> SP9UOB_Tom that fact it has a shift at all is amazing :)
[06:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL
[06:39] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Good morning balloon fans AVA is awake and transversing the Czech Repulic yay :) #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/323324639164125186]
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[06:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: anyway, You should QSY to 437.xxx short after leaving UK - there is no QRMs at all
[06:41] <Upu> ok will bear in mind for next time
[06:41] <Robint91> mhh carrier around 437.069
[06:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: and there is no power restrictions
[06:42] <Robint91> *434.069
[06:42] <Pyropetepete> can i do anything via websdr?
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[06:42] <Upu> well 10mW doesn't seem to be doing too bad :)
[06:42] <Robint91> could be PIE
[06:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> Good Morning
[06:42] <Upu> 300 baud can look like carrier if its very weak
[06:42] <Upu> morning DL5SFI_Steffen
[06:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> Robint91: Im using 437.600 - in sattelite segment
[06:42] <Upu> my feeling is PIE may have swung round over France
[06:43] <x-f> two Polish hams receiving it on the edge of the radio horizon
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[06:43] <Upu> morning James :)
[06:43] <jcoxon> morning
[06:43] <jcoxon> whats the update?
[06:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> ballon is almost sattelite :-)
[06:43] <jcoxon> looks like i've missed lots
[06:43] <Upu> AVA is till up :)
[06:43] <jcoxon> amazing
[06:43] <Upu> climbing back up over .cz
[06:44] <jcoxon> rfm22?
[06:44] <Upu> yeah it came back to life
[06:44] <Upu> APRS seems to have died
[06:44] <Upu> oddly
[06:44] <Pyropetepete> what is APRS?
[06:44] <jcoxon> going to need so thought
[06:44] <Upu> though it did work for most of yesterday
[06:44] <jcoxon> yeah i saw
[06:44] <jcoxon> and PIE?
[06:44] <Upu> not sure possibly no receivers
[06:44] <Upu> shame as it was just getting sunrise
[06:44] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[06:44] Action: jcoxon goes a hunting
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[06:45] <Robint91> http://i.imgur.com/lpvqIjd.png
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[06:46] <DL7AD_> are there receivers in HB9 for PIE?
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[06:47] <jcoxon> Upu, dangerous time for ava
[06:47] <jcoxon> post sunrise
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[06:51] <DL5SFI_Steffen> as was the frequency of AVA? Baud?
[06:52] <DL7AD_> 434.500mhz 50bd
[06:52] <Robint91> what is the APRS callsign of the PIE?
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[06:53] <jcoxon> Robint91, no aprs on PIE
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[06:53] <Robint91> ah
[06:53] <hello> good morning all
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[06:56] <jcoxon> and predictions on the direction of PIE?
[06:57] <mfa298> prediction i tried last night had it going near geneva and lyon, but that seemed to travel much faster than reality.
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[06:58] <DL5SFI_Steffen> oh i heard with s/n 5db
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[06:59] <eroomde> morning jcoxon
[07:00] <mfa298> if it continued west and hasnt lost much height it could still have LOS from the uk south coast
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[07:00] <jcoxon> hehe hey eroomde
[07:00] <jcoxon> mfa298, if its still up it'll be approaching max altitude
[07:01] <eroomde> upstairs or downstairs?
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[07:01] <jcoxon> down
[07:02] <Upu> needs to settle into a float now
[07:02] <jcoxon> mfa298, http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=ef7dad2901a6ea40bf3ffc2c8fb1aefa812862ab
[07:02] <mfa298> jcoxon: true that, we could do with mattbrejza and astra
[07:02] <raspitv> Morning all
[07:02] <Upu> morning
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[07:03] <Upu> and I really have to take the dog out
[07:03] <raspitv> You guys been up all night?
[07:03] <Upu> grr
[07:03] <PD3EM> Morning all
[07:03] <Upu> back soon
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[07:04] <WillDuckworth> how are things looking this morning
[07:04] <WillDuckworth> ?
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[07:05] <raspitv> Love the TARDIS pic daveake
[07:05] <Morseman> M0UPU-11 seems to be time travelling...
[07:06] <tobydj> Good morning Alex, I went bed for 4 hours. Got up early only to find that the PIE is lost :-(
[07:06] <PD3EM> Just sent an email to the Toulouse area for PIE ;-)
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[07:07] <stedge> AVA has just passed into Austria
[07:07] <stedge> I am a total noob to this, the AVA balloon seems pretty fast? about 90 km/h? is it in the jetstream?
[07:07] <raspitv> I read Dave's tweet. Lasr rx over Switzerland
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[07:08] <sp6ryd> almost 37000 up
[07:08] <SP9UOB_Tom> Hi sp6ryd :-)
[07:08] <WB8ELK> Hi Tom
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[07:08] <tobydj> They hope that it will restart when it warms up.
[07:08] <sp6ryd> Hi
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[07:09] <arko_> woot
[07:09] <WB8ELK> UOB....I saw on my data from last August that you received my 20m signal on my 25th Anniversary flight?
[07:09] <arko_> how's everyone?
[07:09] <sp6ryd> Tom, maby in SP someday
[07:09] <eroomde> arko_: alright
[07:09] <arko_> :)
[07:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: right but with WEBsdr
[07:09] <eroomde> ava still going
[07:10] <arko_> so crazy cool
[07:10] <eroomde> pie presumably still going but no frogs to listen out for it
[07:10] <DL5SFI_Steffen> DL7AD : wie gut hörst du AVA mit was für Antennen und RX ?
[07:10] <WB8ELK> Which WEBSDR site were you using?
[07:10] <raspitv> why no frogs?
[07:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: it was long ago - i cant recall
[07:10] <WB8ELK> I'm working on using WSPR mode for a balloon flight soon
[07:10] <mfa298> eroomde: it sounded like pie changed to carrier only
[07:10] <raspitv> Don't they do radio?
[07:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: me too :-)
[07:11] <eroomde> ah right, i have not been keeping up
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[07:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: please let me know when Tou launch :-)
[07:11] <WB8ELK> Been testing my transmitter with 20 milliwatts and also 200 milliwatts....it was received in Europe on 20 mW and in Australia with 200 mW
[07:11] <sp6ryd> WB8ELA you don't afraid about doppler in WSRP ?
[07:11] <WB8ELK> I will do that
[07:11] Nick change: geneva_bed -> geneva
[07:11] <arko_> eroomde: i got my hab back :)
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[07:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: I want to deploy ocean buoy with WSPR :-)
[07:12] <mfa298> it sounded like the pie might have died so no data for the arduino to send
[07:12] <WB8ELK> Getting the frequency stable with temperature drift is the hardest thing
[07:12] <eroomde> arko_: fantastic!
[07:12] <sp6ryd> ok on 20m it's no problem probablly
[07:12] <WB8ELK> I'm also working on a buoy with an Iridium modem
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[07:12] <backstube> hi there, stumbled in a few minutes back right onto the map. Looks cool - do you guys have a home page or such telling what gear is on the ballons? RasPi at least. What else?
[07:12] <eroomde> ah yes i can see on fb
[07:12] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: also, WSPR can encode 6 chars QTH locator, which is enough to locate balloon
[07:12] <eroomde> awesome photos
[07:12] <arko_> :)
[07:12] <WB8ELK> Since I've dropped many payloads into the Atlantic trying to cross the Ocean, I figured I should make them float as a buoy
[07:13] <x-f> backstube, http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1052
[07:13] <jcoxon> WB8ELK, whole seperate chat channel for sea buoys
[07:13] <jcoxon> :-)
[07:13] <jcoxon> #sealevel
[07:13] <WB8ELK> It takes two transmissions to get the 6 char grid square though...wish there was a way to do 6 chars in one transmission
[07:13] <WB8ELK> Hi James....didn't know that
[07:14] <arko_> eroomde: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/sets/72157633237341531/
[07:14] <WB8ELK> Yes...within 2.5 by 5 mile position
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[07:14] <arko_> that's the whole flight
[07:14] <backstube> thanks man!
[07:14] <WB8ELK> great to see AVA still flying
[07:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: the problem is: i have about 2000km ti the nearest ocean :-)
[07:15] <WB8ELK> Floating at peak altitude in August would be the time to do that Tom
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[07:16] <arko_> ugg this smell of hab balloon reaks
[07:16] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: How do You modulate WSPR ? DDS or varicap diode ?
[07:16] <arko_> cant get the smell out of my nose
[07:16] <WB8ELK> 20m or 30m WSPR seems to be the best options due to propagation and number of receive stations
[07:16] <WB8ELK> Actually I use a VCXO
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[07:17] <WB8ELK> which is the reference oscillator to my synthesizer
[07:17] <WB8ELK> Going to try a TCVCXO next to get more temperature stability
[07:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: at 28MHz my (1 Watt) beacon was received and decoded in Canada (VA3NCD) also was received in Texas but not decoded
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[07:17] <WB8ELK> I had my 200 mW received in Australia at 11,000 km
[07:17] <WB8ELK> and 20mW made it 7000 km
[07:17] <WB8ELK> on 20m and 30m
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[07:18] <WB8ELK> Had great results with 20 milliwatts
[07:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: but im saying about RTTY from HAB :-)
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[07:18] <WB8ELK> Oh...that's a nice distance for RTTY
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[07:19] <WB8ELK> Have you tried DominoEX...that works with far weaker signals on HF than RTTY
[07:19] <sp6ryd> WB8ELK: it'spossible to use ROS in US ?
[07:19] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: not yet, but I have plans :-)
[07:19] <WB8ELK> KC5NXD flew a DominoEX transmitter on 20m on his balloon earlier today...I never missed a transmission here
[07:19] <WB8ELK> ROS?
[07:20] <Robint91> isn't something like psk31 better?
[07:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> Anyway, the problem with Poland is - we are too far to east, and there is no infrastructure to receive telemetry
[07:20] <sp6ryd> http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
[07:20] <WB8ELK> Actually DominoEX is better than PSK31 by a bit
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[07:20] <eroomde> for a fixed power, FSK is better than PSK
[07:20] <WB8ELK> and faster
[07:20] <eroomde> vice versa for fixed bandwidth
[07:20] <SP9UOB_Tom> so if i want to do tranasiatic flight - i must be prepared :-)
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[07:21] <SP9UOB_Tom> ...and Domino doesnt require linear PA
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[07:21] <eroomde> and that
[07:22] <SP9UOB_Tom> BRB
[07:22] <WB8ELK> The best thing about DominoEX is that it is very tolerant of frequency drift....not so with PSK31
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[07:23] <x-f> looks like AVA leveled out
[07:23] <WB8ELK> I was hoping AVA would level out....this is the time you have to worry
[07:23] <WB8ELK> whether it will or not
[07:23] <raspitv> SP9UOB_Tom: whereabouts in PL are you?
[07:23] <Robint91> WB8ELK, just reading the specs from DominoEX seems nice, is FEC a wide thing on this mode
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[07:24] <arko_> unboxing our hab video from a few hours ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJO5F0anwJs&feature=youtu.be
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[07:25] <WB8ELK> I've found that you really don't need FEC for DominoEX....it would be better to just send two repeat strings of DominoEX without FEC
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[07:26] <futurity> Morning. Is AVA still up?
[07:26] <Robint91> WB8ELK, oh okay, what mode did you used?
[07:26] <WB8ELK> DominoEX is fairly easy to encode on a microcontroller....some of the other modes that are similar are difficult.
[07:26] <WB8ELK> DominoEX16 works well on HF
[07:26] <SP9UOB_Tom> raspitv: Gliwice, Silesia
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[07:26] <WB8ELK> Also have tried 110 baud RTTY, CW and Hellscreiber
[07:26] <jcoxon> you can listen to ava on global tuners - the vienna stations
[07:26] <raspitv> futurity: yep
[07:27] <WB8ELK> Great...I'll check out GlobalTuners...which one are you on James?
[07:27] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: CW is hard to automatic decode
[07:27] <jcoxon> WB8ELK, oh i've come off it
[07:27] <jcoxon> it was the pcr1500 in vienna
[07:27] <x-f> anybody going to alert the mailing list with the current info?
[07:28] <WB8ELK> I send 27 wpm CW with just my callsign and altitude and use that to keep a quick check on my altitude by hand decoding.
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[07:28] <WB8ELK> then I follow that with DominoEX telemetry
[07:28] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: nice idea
[07:28] <WB8ELK> Never had much luck getting a computer to decode CW without lots of errors
[07:29] <WB8ELK> I can be chasing in my car and listening to the CW and know if the balloon has burst yet or not
[07:29] <Darkside> aha its WB8ELK!
[07:29] <Darkside> the original and the best
[07:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: clever :-)
[07:30] <Darkside> we just have a program that monitors the RTTY and beeps at us if its descending
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[07:30] <WB8ELK> Thank you Darkside...not sure about the "best" part though :-)
[07:30] <Darkside> well, beeps when burst occurs
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[07:30] <WB8ELK> I like that Darkside....nice idea
[07:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> Darkside: decoder on neurons doesnt require batteries :-)
[07:31] <Darkside> SP9UOB_Tom: yes, but it requires me to know morse
[07:31] <WB8ELK> but it does require hamburger recharges
[07:31] <Darkside> also if you're listening to teh telemetry, and are directly underneath, you can hear burst anyway
[07:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> LOL :-)
[07:31] <Darkside> you hear the doppler as it starts to fall
[07:31] <WB8ELK> I just listen for that tell-tale flutter
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[07:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: also pizza ;-)
[07:32] <WB8ELK> pizza is the best...quick recharge
[07:32] <Darkside> heh
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[07:33] <WB8ELK> Had a nice flight a week ago sending SSTV after my APRS and RTTY transmissions
[07:33] <Darkside> WB8ELK: you've done 70cm ATV, right?
[07:33] <jcoxon> is it worth removing some flights from the map
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[07:33] <WB8ELK> yes...many times on 70cm ATV
[07:33] <Darkside> WB8ELK: what TX power
[07:33] <nigelvh> ATV is a good one
[07:33] <Darkside> and what channel did you run it on? 444?
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[07:34] <WB8ELK> my first flight in 1987 was with the world's smallest tube TV camera actually
[07:34] <WB8ELK> 434 MHz here in the US
[07:34] <Darkside> ah
[07:34] <nigelvh> We tend to use 1Watt
[07:34] <Darkside> we have repeaters all through there
[07:34] <Darkside> i think our local channel is 444, but you need to be careful with the bottom sideband
[07:34] <WB8ELK> 1 watt works well for 434 MHz ATV
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[07:34] <Darkside> else you start interfering with repeaters around 439MHz iirc
[07:34] <WB8ELK> I use a cloverleaf "wheel" antenna on the balloon
[07:35] <WB8ELK> There are quite a number of ATV folks in VK-land
[07:35] <Darkside> yeah i know
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[07:35] <Darkside> not many in VK5 though
[07:35] <Darkside> the ones that are, are already in project horus anyway :P
[07:35] <Darkside> (VK5GR)
[07:35] <WB8ELK> I have some subscribers there still
[07:35] <WB8ELK> www.atvquarterly.com
[07:35] <Darkside> yep
[07:35] <Darkside> so what transmitter would you recommend?
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[07:35] <g4mys> one of you asked why no frog listening? Amaatur radio does not seem to be a popular hobby in France, and those who are French seem to prefur to hang around the calling frequencies not obsure ones like we are using, the best chance will be X pat Brits who seem to have a graeter interst in technicial matters
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[07:36] <WB8ELK> Something like the PC Electronics KPA5-RC...but think he has discontinued that one
[07:36] <Darkside> mm
[07:36] <Darkside> theres a local guy that has a kit
[07:36] <Darkside> VK5EME
[07:36] <WB8ELK> the newer one that he sells puts out up to 5 watts but works best at 1 watt
[07:36] <Darkside> only 100mW output on his kit though
[07:36] <Darkside> and im not sure how well the mitsibishi blocks will work
[07:36] <WB8ELK> 100 mW won't do so well...you usually need at least 1 watt
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[07:37] <WB8ELK> I've flow 3 watts with great results but you have to mount the heatsink so that the fins are exposed
[07:37] <Darkside> yeah
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[07:37] <Darkside> we were thinking 3-5W
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[07:37] <Darkside> somewhere around there
[07:37] <nigelvh> We've used the VM-70X, but it's kind of spendy.
[07:37] <WB8ELK> use a nice gain antenna on the ground with a preamp
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[07:37] <jcoxon> ping RocketBoy
[07:37] <Darkside> hm
[07:38] <Darkside> http://www.minikits.com.au/electronic-kits/amateur-television/70cm-AM-Video-TX
[07:38] <Darkside> thats the oe
[07:38] <WB8ELK> I've flown the VM-70X but it does like to be at 1 watt not higher power even with a good heat sink
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[07:38] <Darkside> we'll have to use a helical filter on th eoutput to attenuate the LSB well enough
[07:38] <nigelvh> I've run mine at higher powers, but you need a REALLY good heatsink.
[07:38] <RocketBoy> pong jcoxon
[07:38] <WB8ELK> It's not really all that power efficient compared to other designs I've seen so it generates a lot of heat
[07:38] <nigelvh> I have some server processor heatsinks that have huge amounts of copper that I mount mine to.
[07:39] <Darkside> Small adjustable 0 to 5 Watts pep 4 channel (426.25, 427.25, 434.0 439.25 MHz)
[07:39] <Darkside> bloody useless
[07:39] <Darkside> none of those frequencies are suitable for us
[07:39] <Darkside> we lost 420-430 at the start of the year
[07:39] <WB8ELK> At least with the older designs you can order a custom crystal for other frequencies
[07:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> Seems AVA going to Hungary
[07:39] <WB8ELK> AVA is making quite a journey
[07:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyway i've successfully recovered from Hungary :-)
[07:40] <jcoxon> RocketBoy, can we remove uxaben?
[07:40] <RocketBoy> sure
[07:40] <PE2G> Goodmorning all, had a couple of AVA decodes at dx 737 km, I can hardly believe it myself.
[07:40] <PE2G> http://gyazo.com/0f5b23eaa0b73e1da1107053af271c36
[07:40] <WB8ELK> I sure wish I could get that huge of a following here in the US when flying 434 MHz stuff
[07:40] <jcoxon> WB8ELK, kc5nxd? still need it?
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[07:40] <DL5SFI_Steffen> good Morning PE2G
[07:41] <PE2G> Gutenmorgen DL5SFI_Steffen
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[07:41] <WB8ELK> I usually get just a few that can copy 434 MHz here
[07:41] <mclane> good morning!
[07:41] <Robint91> PE2G, do you also recieve a signle carrier for the PIE?
[07:41] <Darkside> WB8ELK: thats because everyone is boring and just soes APRS
[07:41] <mclane> Got AVA!!
[07:41] <WB8ELK> James...you can remove KC5NXD...I did a screen capture already
[07:41] <nigelvh> WB8ELK, yep, that's exactly why I built my APRS board, just to get a listener network.
[07:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> WB8ELK: You should see how many Polish listeners is when i'm launching :-)
[07:41] <PE2G> What is the current dial pls
[07:41] <costyn> morning all
[07:42] <WB8ELK> I get quite a few when flying 2m and HF though
[07:42] <costyn> mclane: nice :)
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[07:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> PE2G: 434.449.80
[07:42] <costyn> Upu: congrats on AVA still being alive :)
[07:42] <WB8ELK> but no where near the number you have right now
[07:42] <PE2G> OK thanks
[07:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi radim_OM2AMR :-)
[07:42] <Robint91> PE2G, I'm something around 434.069 for PIE
[07:42] <Upu> and seemingly back in a float :)
[07:42] <Upu> ping RocketBoy I won't be asking for my money back on this balloon :)
[07:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> I'm going to replace the stick - HAMA DVB-T <> FuncubeDonglePro
[07:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> let's see if it brings something
[07:42] <radim_OM2AMR> hi tomek, just arrived to my second qth and turned AVAradio on :-D
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[07:42] <PE2G> Robint91: OK
[07:43] <WB8ELK> UPU...what balloon did you use on this one and how heavy is the flight train?
[07:43] <Upu> 1600g H2 ~ 200g
[07:43] <RocketBoy> yeah - the recent set of Hwoyee 1600s have been fine
[07:43] <Upu> initial ascent was scary low
[07:43] <Upu> aimed for 1.5m/s
[07:43] <Upu> got -1m/s
[07:43] <RocketBoy> ill second that
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[07:43] <Darkside> haha negative..
[07:43] <arko_> eroomde: http://23b.org/gallery/v/23b_members/Arclight/places/habex2/
[07:44] <fsphil> "ascent"
[07:44] <costyn> daveake: nice one on the surprise pics :) very funny
[07:44] <Upu> was windy so was very tricky to weigh
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[07:44] <Darkside> WB8ELK: strong winds on the ground caught the baloon and pushed it down
[07:44] <Darkside> didn't hit the ground though
[07:44] <fsphil> looks like ava's going for another day
[07:44] <arko_> Upu: nice work man! almost 24 hours now?
[07:44] <RocketBoy> arko_: really impressive HABEX flight
[07:44] <arko_> :) thanks
[07:44] <Upu> coming up to it
[07:45] <Upu> RocketBoy http://i.imgur.com/EJvszI0.jpg
[07:45] <costyn> arko_: ow dude you got your payload back!? I missed that... congrats! :D
[07:45] <nigelvh> Upu, how long AVA's batteries good for?
[07:45] <Upu> HABEX recovered
[07:45] <RocketBoy> yeah - thats how i remember it
[07:45] <Darkside> Upu: wilson?
[07:45] <fsphil> nice one arko_
[07:45] <arko_> costyn: thanks :)
[07:45] <Upu> well if the APRS is still drawing current 5-6 days
[07:45] <RocketBoy> scary
[07:45] <arko_> Upu :) yes
[07:45] <Upu> probably 2 weeks
[07:45] <nigelvh> Do you downlink voltage?
[07:45] <number10> any ideas why the tx failed and then restarted after such a time Upu ?
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[07:46] <arko_> fsphil: thnx dude!
[07:46] <Upu> well not sure number10 but I think the radio reset code is the best investment in code ever this morning
[07:46] <arko_> http://23b.org/gallery/v/23b_members/Arclight/places/habex2/P5140169.JPG.html
[07:46] <arko_> pink took a hit with 2 weeks in the desert
[07:46] <fsphil> no bite marks? :)
[07:47] <Upu> just noticed on the pic I didn't tape up the battery connector oh well
[07:47] <costyn> arko_: 2 weeks eh... I guess a dry desert is good sometimes not completely destroying your payload like our wet climate would
[07:47] <PE2G> Robint91: Nog signal found around 434.069
[07:47] <arko_> costyn: heh yeah
[07:47] <costyn> PE2G: dude you weren't seriously expecting that were you?
[07:47] <Upu> Darkside just some random smily face :)
[07:47] <WB8ELK> what batteries did you use UPU?
[07:47] <costyn> PE2G: wait... no signal or still signal?
[07:48] <Upu> 6 x AA pairs in series 3.6v
[07:48] <arko_> i just noticed the second balloon in that picture next to Upu's hand
[07:48] <Upu> the main board is a 1.8V one with power saving
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[07:48] <costyn> DL5SFI_Steffen: you have a FCD? That's a lot better than the dvb-t stick :)
[07:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: step-down ?
[07:48] <PE2G> costyn, Nos ignal from PIE. I just had AVA at dx 737 km
[07:48] <Upu> well its a step up actually but yes its stepping down
[07:48] <PE2G> http://gyazo.com/0f5b23eaa0b73e1da1107053af271c36
[07:48] <costyn> PE2G: that's ridiculous
[07:49] <Upu> step down for 1.8v board , stepping up for the 5V APRS one
[07:49] <Upu> lol
[07:49] <DL5SFI_Steffen> costyn yes ... fcd und fcdpro+ :)
[07:49] <Upu> thats probably a record PE2G
[07:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: same as mine
[07:49] <Upu> ignoring Brians tropo
[07:49] <PE2G> costyn: I can hardly blelieve it myself
[07:49] <costyn> DL5SFI_Steffen: cool so trying to listen for PIE now?
[07:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: stupid radiometrix ;-)
[07:49] <Upu> lol
[07:49] <Upu> could be the power
[07:49] <Upu> or something else
[07:50] <costyn> PE2G: that elevation!?!
[07:50] <Upu> could do with getting it back :)
[07:50] <Darkside> costyn: ducting
[07:50] <Darkside> receiving below the horizon is nothing new
[07:50] <costyn> Darkside: ok, but still cool :)
[07:50] <Darkside> oh yes :-)
[07:50] <Upu> Apex Alpha ’ OZ1SKY - 775.6 km (22/10/2011)
[07:50] <Upu> thats your record
[07:50] <arko_> hmm, is the camera still transmitting?
[07:50] <Upu> to beat
[07:51] <DL5SFI_Steffen> because I probably need to change the settings ... I try it
[07:51] <DL5SFI_Steffen> the fcdpro is so narrow bandwidth of the
[07:51] <Upu> the 800km one was "cheating" :)
[07:51] <costyn> Upu: cheating how?
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[07:51] <Upu> the balloon was at 23km high at the time and he got one packet
[07:51] <mfa298> also the blue circle is only a guide to radio horizon. If you're above see level the horizon is likely to be a bit further than indicated
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[07:51] <fsphil> any flight in an atmosphere is cheating a bit Upu :p
[07:52] <Upu> I mean it wasn't cheating but it wasn't a direct TX
[07:52] <griffonbot> @JarjarTee: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/JarjarTee/status/323342973637103616]
[07:52] <Upu> awesome images Arko
[07:52] <arko_> :) thanks Upu
[07:52] <fsphil> shame PIE is quiet
[07:53] <Upu> yeah
[07:53] <fsphil> it was just about to get interesting
[07:53] <raspitv> is it lack of listeners or have the batts died?
[07:53] <Upu> well if daveake's battery predictions are correct its about time for them to go flat
[07:53] <Upu> most likely still up there though
[07:53] <Upu> why didn't we strap that PAVA on it daveake :/
[07:53] <arko_> video of our reactions upon seeing pictures http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnkytLnb7O0&feature=youtu.be (slight language)
[07:54] <arko_> rip headphone users
[07:54] <fsphil> what?
[07:54] <Upu> are the images online as well ?
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[07:54] <arko_> mine?
[07:54] <Upu> yeah
[07:54] <Upu> from payload
[07:54] <PD3EM> is AVA doing some APRS again later?
[07:55] <fsphil> that bit where you put the SD card into computer -- scary
[07:55] <arko_> Upu: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/sets/72157633237341531/
[07:55] <Upu> no I think APRS transmitter died
[07:55] <arko_> yeah
[07:55] <jcoxon> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/
[07:55] <arko_> fsphil: totall!!
[07:55] <arko_> y
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[07:55] <PD3EM> :-(
[07:55] <Upu> it should be TX APRS now
[07:55] <arko_> Upu: not bad photos for bursting early at 21000m
[07:55] <PD3EM> you'll need listeners in Hungary and Serbia Upu
[07:55] <arko_> faulty balloon has been confirmed
[07:55] <Upu> yeah those are lovely
[07:55] <fsphil> arko_: ooooh
[07:55] <arko_> :)
[07:55] <jcoxon> eroomde, http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.012.png
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[07:56] <Upu> not sure why the APRS has packed up
[07:56] <fsphil> yea that's hard to explain
[07:57] <Upu> the PCB is very prototype as jcoxon will testify too
[07:57] <jcoxon> hehe
[07:57] <Upu> so its possible one of the "fixes" as come off
[07:57] <fsphil> eek
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[07:58] <number10> I think its you added intermittent operation function - just to make things more dramatic
[07:58] <number10> +r
[07:58] <raspitv> that's an "undocumented feature"
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[07:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> Bye for now
[07:59] <radim_OM2AMR> bye tom
[07:59] <raspitv> bb Tom
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[07:59] <WB8ELK> Amazing....can't even hear it on the Vienna GlobalTuner radio but I can see it in my waterfall and getting partial decodes
[07:59] <arko_> Photos of our unboxing that happened a few hours ago http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkorobotics/sets/72157633242316496/
[08:00] <WB8ELK> UPU....nice to be receiving your signal using the Vienna GlobalTuner
[08:00] <eroomde> arko_: very funny video
[08:00] <DL5SFI_Steffen> no chance - the drivers for FCD and DVBT-Stick (Zadig) do not work together
[08:00] <arko_> :)
[08:00] <arko_> yeah, good group of folks
[08:00] <fsphil> and pizza
[08:00] <fsphil> mmmm
[08:00] <fsphil> if only it wasn't 9am
[08:01] <arko_> hah, its 1am here
[08:01] <arko_> pizza is perfect
[08:01] <arko_> i forgot to eat it :(
[08:01] <arko_> was so excited
[08:01] Action: fsphil keeps checking on PIE
[08:02] <Upu> awesome WB8ELK
[08:02] <Robint91> WB8ELK, you did balloons with HF transmitters, what band did you use? 20M?
[08:03] <GMT> Theres a GlobalTuner in north western Italy ... if it helps for PIE
[08:04] <WB8ELK> $$$$AVA,6541,08:03:14,48.2240,15.56186,38922,9,0,OE,518*0A97
[08:04] <WB8ELK> from the Vienna GlobalTuner
[08:04] <WB8ELK> 20m 30m 40m 15m and 10m
[08:05] <PE2G> DL5SFI_Steffen: Did you have decodes from PIE this morning?
[08:05] <WB8ELK> 20m and 30m gives you the best round the clock coverage however
[08:05] <Robint91> WB8ELK, nice, what did work best?
[08:05] <Upu> if you can upload WB8ELK that would be super
[08:05] <Robint91> WB8ELK, oh okay
[08:05] <arko_> my bet is that PIE does a loop and lands in Germany
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[08:05] <radim_OM2AMR> burst ?
[08:05] <arko_> my hope is that it does that in the uk instead
[08:05] <arko_> oh wow it burst
[08:05] <fsphil> ah man
[08:05] <Upu> haha
[08:06] <arko_> vienna!
[08:06] <WB8ELK> I haven't gotten one without one error in it as yet
[08:07] <arko_> anyone out there going to be able to recover it?
[08:07] <fsphil> I hate that
[08:07] <WB8ELK> dang...it's coming down
[08:07] <Upu> ah well still a result
[08:07] <daveake> oh burst
[08:07] <arko_> :)
[08:07] <daveake> yes excellent result
[08:07] <Upu> loading up live prediction
[08:08] <WB8ELK> amazing since those GlobalTuner radios usually are pretty numb and use a discone omni antenna
[08:08] <arko_> mountains dont seem too bad
[08:08] <g4vxe> Great flight!
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[08:08] <eroomde> maybe one of the slovakian trackers fancies a day-trip?
[08:09] <WB8ELK> I can see the flutter in the waterfall display
[08:09] <fsphil> there we go
[08:09] <Upu> prediction up
[08:09] <fsphil> near the border
[08:09] <x-f> OE6RKE is con\
[08:10] <arko_> wow thats quite a distance
[08:10] <x-f> ..viently placed
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[08:10] <WB8ELK> Getting perfect copy on it now but running the .29 HAB version on this machine since this one is never hooked to my radio
[08:11] <WB8ELK> $$$AVA,6572,08:09:49,48.15861,15.58686,29534,7,0,OE,521*6B5D
[08:11] <x-f> Upu, what is the "status" field for?
[08:12] <raspitv> has AVA gone bang?
[08:12] <arko_> Upu: were these floaters neck lift measured under wind?
[08:12] <fsphil> indeed
[08:12] <fsphil> returning to earth
[08:12] <Pata> Then it's burst.. is it the altitude meter that take the parachute out ??
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[08:12] <eroomde> Pata: the parachute is already out
[08:12] <eroomde> it's pre-deployed
[08:13] <Jokull_> Can I see PIE's landing prediction?
[08:13] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, we are thinking about AVA rescue :-D
[08:13] <x-f> Pata, this is AVA - http://i.imgur.com/EJvszI0.jpg
[08:13] <fsphil> Jokull_: it's stopped transmitting
[08:14] <Pata> Okey.. thanks :)
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[08:14] <Jokull_> fsphil: yes, I read you and upu predicted it landing near the border. Or was that about AVA?
[08:15] <eroomde> ava
[08:15] <fsphil> yea that was ava
[08:15] <Jokull_> okay, thanks!
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[08:16] <Upu> lol radim_OM2AMR entirely your choice I don't expect it but that would be quite amazing
[08:16] <Upu> plus I'd love to know what was up with the HX1
[08:16] <Upu> yes arko_ it was very windy
[08:17] <Upu> http://raspi.tv/2013/pie5-pi-balloon-launch-3g-video
[08:17] <radim_OM2AMR> we will do reverse engineering :-D just kidding, we will see where it will land
[08:17] <Upu> x-f status is a bitfield status
[08:17] <WB8ELK> UPU...just loaded .50 HAB fldigi but it doesn't decode as well as the older .29 HAB version for some reason
[08:17] <Upu> basically if = 0 all good
[08:17] <WB8ELK> I get perfect frames on the .29 version but not nearly as good on the .50 <sigh>
[08:17] <Upu> odd
[08:18] <Upu> F5APQ's sonde parachute is working well
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[08:18] <Upu> he sent me a few
[08:18] <WB8ELK> very frustrating...gets within one character of being perfect then takes a fade at the wrong moment
[08:19] <Pata> Some one have a calc for ETA for AVA ??
[08:19] <arko_> Upu: cool, so its possible to do a floater with windy filling/weighing conditions
[08:19] <Upu> well arko_ I wouldn't recommend it launch was very sketchy
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[08:19] <Upu> wouldn't do it again
[08:19] <arko_> kk
[08:19] <WB8ELK> about a 1 second periodic fading
[08:19] <WB8ELK> a slow spin
[08:20] <arko_> we are going to have a hotel to fill in
[08:20] <Upu> thats going to come in very gently
[08:20] <arko_> big room, then moving it outside
[08:20] <arko_> looks like AVA wants to recreate the sound of music
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[08:20] <Upu> yeah it was near impossible plus daveake's filling rig weighs more than twice the required lift
[08:21] <x-f> ah ha, was wondering where did you get the white chute
[08:21] <arko_> oh wow
[08:21] <arko_> yet you guys managed to get two floaters!
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[08:22] <Upu> yeah F5APQ recovered PAVA from france last weekend and sent it back with 6 radiosonde parachutes
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[08:22] <WB8ELK> how do you keep it so temperature stable Anthony?
[08:23] <mclane> ha it still works with my lousy equipment to receive ava!
[08:23] <WB8ELK> ah...as I said that it started to drift downward
[08:24] <DL5SFI_Steffen> whether it still makes crossing the border? :)
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[08:24] <Upu> WB8ELK its quite well buried in a poly ball
[08:25] <Upu> See http://ava.upuaut.net/
[08:25] <WB8ELK> drifting down now
[08:25] <Upu> be interesting to see if the APRS bursts back into life
[08:25] <WB8ELK> love the "friendly" smiling face on the payload
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[08:25] <Upu> fsphil's idea :)
[08:25] <fsphil> LAUNCH-O-GEDDON was a success then :)
[08:25] <Upu> WB8ELK http://i.imgur.com/EJvszI0.jpg :)
[08:26] <Upu> big success :)
[08:26] <WB8ELK> if it weren't for the periodic 1 second fades I'd be getting perfect copy
[08:26] <Dutch-Mill> ..and a tracking station record
[08:26] <Upu> look at the decent rate lol
[08:26] <fsphil> I love Steve's posture in that picture
[08:26] <arko_> :) super awesome launch-o-geddon indeed
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[08:27] <fsphil> next time we should do a race. I'll launch one here, when it's over there you launch :)
[08:27] <WB8ELK> now it's starting to drift upwards
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[08:27] <WB8ELK> in frequency
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[08:28] <WB8ELK> That one looked perfect...wonder why it didn't decode as Green??: $$$$$AVA,6656,08:27:41,8.12856,15.63263,14619,8,0,OE,529*DBAA
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[08:29] <backstube> how is the predicted landing spot being calculated? here: AVA's
[08:29] <fsphil> one of the numbers must be wrong
[08:29] <Upu> missing lat
[08:29] <fsphil> or the checksum itself
[08:29] <Upu> 48
[08:29] <Upu> not 8
[08:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA heading for Austria for breakfast I take it, and PIE sitting in the Alps
[08:29] <Upu> yeah Geoff :)
[08:29] <DL5SFI_Steffen> :)
[08:29] <WB8ELK> UPU...Finally got a Green one !!!!!
[08:29] <Upu> haha
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[08:29] <WB8ELK> I've officially uploaded a report
[08:30] <Upu> longest TX ever :)
[08:30] <Upu> RX even
[08:30] <fsphil> hah
[08:30] <fsphil> interesting method of propagation that :)
[08:30] <Upu> well its safe to say the parachute is working
[08:31] <Pata> Good batteries :)
[08:31] <arko_> when did the camreas die? or are they?
[08:31] <x-f> backstube, using the same technique that's behind habhub.org/predict, just using the latest data from the payload
[08:31] <Upu> no issue with batteries Pata :)
[08:31] <WB8ELK> Another Green report YAY: $$AVA,6670,08:30:41,48.10133,15.65372,13212,7,0,OE,531*6BEC
[08:32] <WB8ELK> The signal is actually improving at the Vienna PC1500 GlobalTuner radio
[08:32] <DL5SFI_Steffen> which receiver do you use?
[08:32] <Upu> sure you're online WB8ELK not seeing your call sign
[08:32] <DL5SFI_Steffen> Viena ok
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[08:33] <WB8ELK> Yes...it says it uploaded successfully
[08:33] <Upu> ah yes I see it
[08:33] <WB8ELK> It periodically pauses between transmission...
[08:33] <DL5SFI_Steffen> i have a live signal with 5db s/n of 434.446
[08:33] <radim_OM2AMR> AVA/RFM is getting colder, freq is shifting up
[08:33] <WB8ELK> is that when it sends APRS?
[08:33] <Upu> well APRS doesn't seem to be transmitting not sure why
[08:33] <Upu> the counter is still going up though
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[08:34] <radim_OM2AMR> WB8ELK, pause between 20 sentences
[08:34] <Upu> yeah the radio reboots every 20 telemetry lines
[08:34] <Upu> which I can advise is the best six lines of code in existence anywhere ever
[08:34] <Robint91> LOL
[08:35] <Robint91> aren't those RFM based on the SI443x chips?
[08:35] <jcoxon> bbl
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[08:35] <Upu> yeah
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[08:36] <jonsowman> morning
[08:36] <jonsowman> still going is it?
[08:36] <jonsowman> nice
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[08:37] <WB8ELK> More perfect reports on the Vienna radio...getting stronger actually: $$AVA,6670,08:30:41,48.10133,15.65372,13212,7,0,OE,531*6BEC
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[08:38] <WB8ELK> good idea on the 20-line reboot
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[08:39] <WB8ELK> just got 10 reports good in a row
[08:39] <WB8ELK> had to play around with the filter width on the new .50 dl-fldigi
[08:40] <WB8ELK> also not fading anymore so getting into thicker atmosphere
[08:40] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, that's uBlox in AVA is the 7 one you promissed to me ? :-D
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[08:41] <radim_OM2AMR> so I have to pick up my parcel XD
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[08:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> n what frequency you are receiving now?
[08:42] <radim_OM2AMR> 434.457
[08:42] <radim_OM2AMR> oops 451
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[08:43] <nosebleedkt> Hi
[08:44] <nosebleedkt> How was the flight?
[08:44] <radim_OM2AMR> AVA is descending now after wonderful float
[08:44] <nosebleedkt> what?
[08:44] <Upu> lol no radim_OM2AMR :)
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[08:45] <nosebleedkt> Upu, you got it ?
[08:45] <tim__> where did AVA take off from?
[08:45] <Upu> UK
[08:45] <eroomde> close to Cambridge
[08:45] <x-f> nosebleedkt, it's coming down in Austria
[08:45] <tim__> i mean exactly in uk :)
[08:45] <Upu> sorry what eroomde said :)
[08:45] <nosebleedkt> lol
[08:45] <nosebleedkt> so you still dont know where it is
[08:46] <nosebleedkt> Upu, why its still on air/
[08:46] <nosebleedkt> ?
[08:46] <Upu> AVA ? Its floating down under a parachute over Austria right now nosebleedkt
[08:46] <RocketBoy> so why do you want to know exactly tim__
[08:46] <tim__> was just curious
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> excuse me. Who as flying yesterday?
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> PIE or AVA
[08:47] <eroomde> you can zoom in on the beginning of the flight path tim__ :)
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> im confused
[08:47] <x-f> both
[08:47] <nosebleedkt> OK
[08:47] <Upu> both PIE & AVA
[08:47] <Upu> launched at the same time yesterday
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[08:47] <nosebleedkt> from same site?
[08:47] <Upu> http://raspi.tv/2013/pie5-pi-balloon-launch-3g-video
[08:47] <Upu> yep
[08:47] <Upu> they were literally next to each other
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[08:47] <mclane> what is the web sdr you are using wb8elk?
[08:48] <WB8ELK> The Vienna PCR1500 GlobalTuner radio
[08:48] <WB8ELK> it's only 30 km from the balloon and a nice signal
[08:48] <G8DSU> Does predicted landing point take into account ground elevation? Not much of a problem in UK but Austria is a bit hilly!
[08:48] <Upu> landing spot doesn't look particularly accessible :/
[08:48] <nosebleedkt> Upu, what is that live stream?
[08:48] <Darkside> oh wow ava has burst
[08:48] <Upu> that was a live stream from yesterday nosebleedkt
[08:48] <NickSF> WB8ELK
[08:49] <nosebleedkt> live from what device?
[08:49] <Upu> yeah Darkside climbed at sunrise
[08:49] <Darkside> mm
[08:49] <Upu> my netbook with a webcam
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[08:49] <NickSF> WB8ELK: i cant find that radio on globaltuner?
[08:49] <Upu> didn't settle back into a float and popped
[08:49] <nosebleedkt> Upu, and was uploading where?
[08:49] <Upu> batc.tv
[08:49] <Upu> http://www.batc.tv/streams/ukhas
[08:49] <nosebleedkt> i can do that too ?
[08:50] <Upu> yeah if you have a member ship or use ustream
[08:50] <nosebleedkt> membership means money?
[08:50] <Upu> the u is short for adverts
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[08:50] <Upu> yeah but its not expensive
[08:50] <nosebleedkt> how much
[08:50] <Jonners> What happened to the PIE image stream? It seems to have stopped early this morning.
[08:50] <Upu> £4 a year or something
[08:50] <nosebleedkt> ah ok
[08:50] <Laurenceb_> pie batteries ran out?
[08:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wow thats a fast descent with a nice parachute save http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/index.php?ind=17
[08:50] <Upu> Jonners batteries probably
[08:50] <WB8ELK> upu...wonder why my reports aren't showing up in the telemetry box on Spacenear on your flight?
[08:51] <Upu> I keep seeing WB8ELK-MAC pop up
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[08:51] <Upu> by fast you mean slow Geoff-G8DHE :)
[08:51] <WB8ELK> that's me
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[08:51] <nosebleedkt> and one more question
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[08:51] <WB8ELK> I dont see it on spacenear though
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> what was the radio module for live streaming?
[08:52] <WB8ELK> but there is about a 15 second delay via the web
[08:52] <Upu> Was streamed via a 3G connectioned
[08:52] <Upu> thats probably the issue Bill as newer reports will have come in before yours gets there
[08:52] <WB8ELK> I do have slow internet
[08:52] <Upu> however keep at it pls
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[08:52] <WB8ELK> gotcha
[08:52] <WB8ELK> that is probably it
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> Upu, 3G on stratosphere?
[08:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> I've not seen a descent with a curve like that before, there normally flatter ...
[08:52] <Upu> no on the ground nosebleedkt
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> lol
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> i mean
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> the radio module on payload
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> oh sweet
[08:52] <WB8ELK> the Vienna receive is about 50 km away and getting nice and strong
[08:52] <Laurenceb_> theres a dawn photo
[08:52] <Upu> two radios, HX1 and a RFM22B
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> which was streaming the vga images
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[08:53] <nosebleedkt> aha
[08:53] <Upu> yeah that looks really nice what little there is of it
[08:53] <nosebleedkt> RFM22B chip Si4431?
[08:53] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[08:53] <Upu> I believe so
[08:53] <nosebleedkt> I have the same radio then
[08:53] <nosebleedkt> with PA
[08:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah just relaised it started at 40Km not 30Km!
[08:53] <nosebleedkt> and that radio is strange
[08:54] <WB8ELK> I'm on GlobalTuners.com
[08:54] <nosebleedkt> Upu, do u haveany bad experience with it ?
[08:54] <Upu> yeah its crap and keeps breaking
[08:54] <nosebleedkt> lol
[08:54] <nosebleedkt> well, i try to manage it right now
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[08:54] <Upu> make sure you put regular reboots of the radio in
[08:54] <nosebleedkt> w00t
[08:55] <lz1dev> what happened to ava?
[08:55] <nosebleedkt> yesterday i manages to send 991 bursts of 48 bytes each
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[08:55] <nosebleedkt> every how you reboot it Upu ?
[08:55] <Upu> lz1dev its just burst and about to land in Austria
[08:56] <lz1dev> awww :(
[08:56] <Upu> I reboot it every 20 telemetry lines
[08:56] <nosebleedkt> lol
[08:56] <Upu> well not really lz1dev what a sucess!
[08:56] <nosebleedkt> wait upu
[08:56] <nosebleedkt> you launched yesterday from UK and its landing now in Austria?
[08:56] <Robint91> nosebleedkt, yes
[08:56] <nosebleedkt> wtf
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[08:56] <nosebleedkt> balloon didnt want to explode ?
[08:57] <lz1dev> Upu: it was an interesting flight indeed
[08:57] <Robint91> nosebleedkt, it has floaten http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[08:57] <Upu> it floated over night
[08:57] <nosebleedkt> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:57] <Robint91> nosebleedkt, http://ssdv.habhub.org/ search for ON8RTH
[08:57] <nosebleedkt> why? you wanted that?
[08:57] <x-f> nosebleedkt, it was meant to not explode
[08:57] <nosebleedkt> hmmm
[08:57] <nosebleedkt> chinese brand of balloon?
[08:57] <x-f> some people do that kind of launches too
[08:58] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: those ssdv images where sent over an ntx2
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[08:58] <Robint91> it would be cool if a HAB could contain a repeater
[08:58] <nosebleedkt> so the RFM22B radio was for telemetry?
[08:58] <WB8ELK> I've flown repeaters many times...lots of fun
[08:58] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: the PIE flight only had two ntx2s
[08:58] <WB8ELK> a simplex repeater is an easy way to do that
[08:59] <fsphil> AVA has the rfm22b and HX1
[08:59] <nosebleedkt> ok,
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[08:59] <nosebleedkt> Hx1 rulez
[08:59] <fsphil> the hx1 isn't transmitting :)
[08:59] <nosebleedkt> w00t
[08:59] <fsphil> though it could be software, not sure
[08:59] <Upu> hardware I think
[08:59] <nosebleedkt> damn@
[08:59] <Upu> APRS counter is still incrementing
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[08:59] <Upu> but could be power
[09:00] <nosebleedkt> Robint91, prepare your self
[09:00] <nosebleedkt> I will send my balloon over hour house
[09:00] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: another few hours of float and AVA would have been in range of you :)
[09:00] <nosebleedkt> :P
[09:00] <nosebleedkt> also put some TNT and send it to athenian parliament
[09:00] <WB8ELK> drifting down in frequency again
[09:01] <DL5SFI_Steffen> we know already who is looking for AVA?
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[09:01] <Upu> no one at th emoment DL5SFI_Steffen
[09:02] <Laurenceb_> ava heading for a pine forest
[09:02] <number10> satalite view over landing area isnt brillian
[09:02] <junderwood> 3100m altitude. 1800 m above the ground
[09:02] <Upu> no doesn't look that accessible
[09:02] <Upu> haha really wow
[09:02] <PD3EM> will be a nice hike if someone wants to recover ava ;-)
[09:02] <fsphil> oh man
[09:02] <junderwood> look at terrain view. It has contours
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[09:03] <Upu> lots of roads around it
[09:03] <fsphil> this puts my "mountain" landing into context
[09:03] <lz1dev> on a tree on a mountain
[09:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA landing area http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/index.php?ind=18
[09:03] <fsphil> surrounded by a fence with a sign "beware of the leopard"
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[09:04] <lz1dev> what happened to PIE ?
[09:04] <Upu> batteries
[09:04] <Upu> probably
[09:04] <lz1dev> nooes
[09:04] <junderwood> There's a 1500m mountain ahead of it. Not sure it will clear it
[09:04] <fsphil> either the RPi got too cold, or the batteries
[09:04] <Upu> -3.6m/s
[09:04] <Upu> nice :)
[09:04] <fsphil> Upu: pah, sunday landers
[09:04] <WB8ELK> The Vienna globatTuner radio is only about 10 km away
[09:04] <Upu> so "ground" is 1800 m
[09:04] <DL5SFI_Steffen> Our rescue dog is unfortunately not trained on balloon :)
[09:04] <WB8ELK> turns out that Globaltuner radio is 50km south of Vienna
[09:04] <fsphil> if it lands in a tree on a part of the mountain facing the receiver
[09:04] <Upu> keep listening WB8ELK you may even get it on the ground if it lands on the righr side of the hill
[09:04] <lz1dev> haha
[09:05] <backstube> RPI too cold? What's bad with that?
[09:05] <Upu> cold does bad things to electronics
[09:05] <Upu> very cold
[09:05] <fsphil> backstube: the processor could fail
[09:05] <junderwood> 1000m AGL
[09:05] <Upu> 800m above ground ?
[09:05] <backstube> when too cold?
[09:05] <fsphil> backstube: yea. cold being -40c
[09:05] <junderwood> just crossed the 1400m contour
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[09:06] <WB8ELK> getting weak though: $$$$$A^A,6825,09:03:26,47.57481,15.89393,2759,7,0,OE,746*64AB
[09:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA might see some updrafts in that valley ?
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[09:06] <Sweeper__> Hello, I was directed here from the guide to using the NTX2 with an arduino on the ukhas.org website and I was just looking to see if anyone has any experience or possibly any tips on using the tr2m with an arduino
[09:06] <Laurenceb_> might drift to north
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[09:06] <junderwood> 600m AGL
[09:07] <junderwood> 1560 m ground level
[09:07] <MasterZap__> So no reconnection to the PIE? But I see AVA is goin' dowwnzorz!
[09:07] <WB8ELK> can see it on the waterfall but no longer able to copy it
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[09:07] <junderwood> less than 200m
[09:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Going for the ridge
[09:08] <x-f> touchdown?
[09:08] <Sweeper__> ack I got dc'd :\ i asked before and I hope no one answered while I was dc'd "Hello, I was directed here from the guide to using the NTX2 with an arduino and I was just looking to see if anyone has any experience or possibly any tips on using the tr2m with an arduino"
[09:08] <Sweeper__> a radiometrix tr2m*
[09:08] <Upu> and I think thats it
[09:08] <junderwood> perfect direction for OM1ATS - straight up the valley
[09:08] <Laurenceb_> hit the top?
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[09:09] <Laurenceb_> looks like it
[09:09] <Upu> that looks scarily inaccesible
[09:09] <junderwood> ground level at the lat position is 1560m
[09:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/index.php?ind=19
[09:09] <fsphil> there are roads not far from it
[09:09] <Upu> OM1ATS has it gone ?
[09:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> but in the valley bottom not on the ridge line!
[09:10] <Upu> Well that was a success :)
[09:10] <Upu> Thank you everyone :)
[09:10] <daveake> Indeed :)
[09:10] <backstube> someone on-site to pick it up?
[09:10] <junderwood> On the top of a "big hill" sitting in a snow drift
[09:10] <Upu> no backstube
[09:10] <Upu> its probably not accessible
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[09:10] <KT5TK> Congrats for a great floater flight!
[09:10] <PE7ER> good job !
[09:10] <Upu> however should still be transmitting
[09:10] <raspitv> Well done Anthony :)
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[09:10] <Upu> cheers all
[09:11] <number10> looks like a nice footpath there if it were summer http://www.bing.com/maps/#JnE9LjQ3JTI1NDAyNTY0NDYlMjUyYzE1JTI1NDAyOTE0NzIlN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NTguNDE4Nzc0OTAyNzcyOCU3ZTE1Ljc4MzczNTE1NjI1JTdlNDcuNjcyNTI2Mjg1MDY3OCU3ZS0xOC43MTMzMzUxNTYyNQ==
[09:11] <WB8ELK> Can still see the signal in the waterfall display
[09:11] <DL5SFI_Steffen> congrats and thanks
[09:11] <Upu> right back to reality got to go shopping
[09:11] <WB8ELK> but no copy
[09:11] <daveake> Shopping for balls or batteries?
[09:11] <g4vxe> Congrats! Thanks for a fascinating few hours
[09:11] <Upu> both :)
[09:11] <fsphil> hah
[09:11] <WB8ELK> Same here....great fun being able to decode it
[09:11] <WB8ELK> I still see the signal
[09:12] <Upu> if anyone is in Austria on the off chance it should be transmitting for another 4 days probably more
[09:12] <Upu> be nice to get a final position on it
[09:12] <Sweeper__> what do you have transmitting? a Balloon? Sat?
[09:12] <Jokull_> You made my day... and my night! Congratulation!
[09:12] <WB8ELK> I think the GlobalTuner radio is only about 10 km away
[09:12] <WB8ELK> I'll see if it gets strong enough to copy
[09:12] <Upu> Balloons Sweeper__
[09:12] <Upu> ok thanks Bill
[09:12] <Upu> right I'll be back in an hour or so
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[09:12] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, we will try it, if there is nobody from Austria
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[09:13] <PE2BZ> Upu: Shopping for new parts ?
[09:13] <radim_OM2AMR> you know, hot blooded SLovaks :-)
[09:13] <Upu> ok thanks radim_OM2AMR :)
[09:13] <x-f> Sweeper__, this http://i.imgur.com/EJvszI0.jpg from UK just landed in Austria - http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[09:13] <WB8ELK> It is starting to drift back up in frequency...very weak but clearly visible in the waterfall
[09:13] <g4vxe> OM2AMR: LOL! FB!
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[09:13] <Sweeper__> oh sweet. I just got my HAM license. I'm working on a pico satellite but once I'm done with this I'd love to work on a ballon
[09:13] <Sweeper__> Balloon*
[09:14] <fsphil> WB8ELK: anything that looks like the string?
[09:14] <DL5SFI_Steffen> the signal heard by om1ats ?
[09:14] <fsphil> wonder if we could average a couple of them out
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[09:14] <WB8ELK> Not strong enough to copy any telemetry but do see the signal yet
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[09:15] <Pata> Some one have the flight time ??
[09:15] <WB8ELK> I'll see how far this radio is away...I think it is pretty close to the landing site
[09:15] <radim_OM2AMR> Dano OM1ATS is still receiving AVA, so probably on the hill or tree...
[09:15] <Sweeper__> I'm trying to work on my pico sat with a radiometrix tr2m transceiver, has anyone ever used one in conjunction with an arduino or pic? or even used one at all?
[09:15] <fsphil> WB8ELK: vienna 1 or 2?
[09:15] <Gadget-Mac> daveake: Was the Pi awake for the whole flight ?
[09:16] <WB8ELK> Vienna 2....it is located 50 km south of Vienna very near the landing site
[09:16] <PE2G> Upu: Congratulations, and thanks for the flight, Anthony. It provided me exceptional DX.
[09:16] <daveake> Gadget-Mac No it stopped Txing telemetry this morning
[09:17] <Jokull_> @PE2G Goede morgen. So, what you final distance decode record?
[09:17] <Gadget-Mac> daveake: Ok, but it was powered up all the time, no clever sleep and wake with an AVR ?
[09:17] <raspitv> daveake: do you think the batteries on PIE are dead by now?
[09:17] <PE2G> Jokull_:737 km for AVA this morning: http://gyazo.com/0f5b23eaa0b73e1da1107053af271c36
[09:17] <OM1ATS> uf still hear him, is probably the hill...
[09:17] <WB8ELK> probably on a mountaintop and I see see the signal
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[09:18] <daveake> No nothing clever like that I only intended it to last for yesterday anything more was a bonus
[09:18] <WB8ELK> so looks like it is still transmitting and is getting out quite a ways...I'm checking now to see how far this Internet radio is from the landing zone
[09:18] <PE7ER> very good @ PE2G !
[09:18] <Jokull_> @PE2G Terrific!
[09:18] <daveake> Yes batteries probably got cold enough to lose efficiency
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[09:19] <jarod> anyone here still have sdrsharp build 1114?
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[09:20] <DL5SFI_Steffen> that would be something for oe6rke, seeing it is the closest there geographically
[09:20] <Maxell> jarod: I recently downloaded the latest, it could be?
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[09:21] <raspitv> Well congrats on the live pictures altitude record. And I think you've raised the profile of HAB "quite a bit". Let us know when the Bloomberg item comes out :)
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[09:21] <daveake> will do :)
[09:21] <Maxell> jarod: ah, latest is not 1114, let me check what version I'm on.
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[09:21] <Darkside> lol did ava land on a mountain
[09:21] <fsphil> yep!
[09:21] <fsphil> a really big one
[09:22] <WB8ELK> I think OM1ATS may have copied the final landing spot...descent rate was -0.1 m/s
[09:22] <Darkside> still being heard?
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[09:22] <radim_OM2AMR> yep! we will go to rescue it :-)
[09:22] <Darkside> niiiice
[09:22] <fsphil> still being heard but not strong enough to decode
[09:22] <daveake> yes that's the landing posn
[09:22] <x-f> good luck, radim_OM2AMR!
[09:22] <Darkside> this is excelent
[09:22] <radim_OM2AMR> tnx!
[09:22] <WB8ELK> yes... I still see it in the waterfall from the globalTuner which is 50 km south of Vienna
[09:22] <Darkside> an international effort!
[09:22] <PD3EM> Great flight Upu ! Steady now just below the top of that hill now ;-)
[09:22] <daveake> highest landing ever?
[09:22] <fsphil> actually it might be
[09:22] <DL5SFI_Steffen> OM2AMR: Thanks for Rescue
[09:23] <WB8ELK> It must be right on top of a mountain
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[09:23] <Maxell> jarod: nope, 1136 here
[09:23] <daveake> At launch it didn't look like it'd ever get as high as 1570m lol
[09:23] <fsphil> lol
[09:23] <jarod> Maxell 1128 is latest
[09:24] <PE2BZ> jarod
[09:24] <PE2BZ> jarod: 1113 won't do ?
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[09:24] <WB8ELK> nice going OM1ATS...about 110 km from the landing spot !!
[09:24] <OM1ATS> fresh packet $$$$$AVA,6922,09:23:42,47.56394,15.91594,1589,5,0,OE,555*6751
[09:25] <Maxell> hehe it's still alive!!1
[09:25] <Laurenceb_> heh
[09:25] <Laurenceb_> maybe in a tree?
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[09:25] <WB8ELK> It is still alive...I still see it in the waterfall...temperature is now stable
[09:25] <PE2BZ> jarod: Do you happen to know about the date of 1114 ? I did save most of the downloads but they all have zip as name
[09:25] <WB8ELK> that's a nice high landing spot
[09:25] <OM1ATS> maybe :(
[09:25] <daveake> I just called Upu to let him know :)
[09:25] <fsphil> oh nice
[09:26] <fsphil> definitly in a tree then :)
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[09:26] <OM1ATS> AVA is now hangmann :)
[09:26] <daveake> Now we just need PIE to land in front of a Pi owner
[09:26] <fsphil> lol
[09:27] <Grant_> Shame it didn't make Italy
[09:27] <Jonners> Is there a limit on how ling PIE will
[09:27] <Jonners> stay afloat?
[09:27] <raspitv> daveake: that would make the story complete and perfect :)
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[09:27] <fsphil> Jonners: difficult to say. if it didn't burst at dawn, it'll likely continue floating until tomorrow morning
[09:27] <fsphil> but I suspect it did burst and is now on the ground
[09:27] <PE2BZ> daveake: What's the global cost when not recovering for a flight like this ? And is there a "donate" button on a page somewhere ?
[09:28] <daveake> my guess too
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[09:28] <daveake> I've not added it up, and no there's no button :p
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[09:28] <fsphil> all donations for dave to be sent via phil@ ... :)
[09:28] <daveake> lolo
[09:29] <fsphil> the local BOC dealer gets uneasy every time I ask about H2
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[09:30] <PE2BZ> fsphil: If you ask about H2, is that with a high pitch voice ?
[09:30] <raspitv> see you all - it's been a lot of fun
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[09:30] <fsphil> in hushed tones PE2BZ
[09:30] <fsphil> cya raspitv !
[09:31] <junderwood> Photo from close to landing site
[09:31] <junderwood> http://www.panoramio.com/photo/31160091?source=wapi&referrer=kh.google.com
[09:31] <junderwood> It's in the trees behind the fence
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[09:31] <fsphil> snow!
[09:31] <griffonbot> @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA flight has landed now atop a 1-mile-high hill in Austria with data still being received by radio! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323367927820730369]
[09:31] <WB8ELK> The Vienna 2 GlobalTuner I'm using is 40 km from the balloon landing site
[09:31] <junderwood> (it's an old photo)
[09:32] <junderwood> Now. If you had been streaming SSTV ....
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[09:33] <fsphil> it's strong enough for fldigis AFC to follow it, but not getting any decodes at all
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[09:34] <fsphil> actually this is where dominoex would have come in useful
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[09:37] <nommo> Morning :)
[09:38] <Maxell> fsphil: dominoEX can handle fading better?/
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[09:38] <nommo> I am now left wondering how I can set up a receiver rig without alerting my wife to another potentially expensive & time consuming hobby ;)
[09:39] <fsphil> Maxell: it generally works better with weak signals. actually olivia would probably be better again
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[09:39] <fsphil> nommo: hah. keep it in the attic, remote controlled from the PC :)
[09:39] <x-f> nommo, software defined radio is pretty cheap
[09:40] <andytherocketeer> been meaning to have a play with that myself. might have to think about defecting from launching rockets.
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[09:41] <nommo> fsphil, x-f: Hehe - loft might do it - she never goes up there... and can you get a decent antenna wired up to one of those SDR USB things?
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[09:42] <Maxell> nommo: yeah, or just solder directly on the pcb
[09:42] <fsphil> ideally you'd want something on the roof
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[09:43] <nommo> I was into CB back in the 80s - damn it - I thought about Radio HAM but I didn't go for it...
[09:43] <Maxell> nommo: noes :(
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[09:43] <Maxell> fsphil: yeah, but olivia is damn slow :P
[09:43] <Maxell> and huge ass
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[09:43] <Maxell> spectrum
[09:43] <fsphil> that's true
[09:44] <nommo> I am in a pretty good elevated position here atop a hill in the Cotswolds - I reckon I could get something on the roof
[09:44] <Maxell> Would be intresting to implement it on a arduino tough
[09:44] <Maxell> nommo: or at leasy on top of :)
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[09:45] <fsphil> a little colinear antenna would be ideal
[09:45] <nommo> Any pointers to a cheap but effective SDR setup on the interwebs?
[09:45] <tim__> what do i need for an SDR?
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[09:46] <fsphil> the CB antenna wouldn't work very well on 434mhz
[09:46] <fsphil> they're designed for 29mhz
[09:46] <fsphil> well, 28
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[09:46] <x-f> fsphil, is there such thing as "little colinear"? the ones i've seen are about two meters long
[09:46] <Darkside> i have a diamond one about 1.5m long
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[09:46] <nommo> fsphil: Ahh - I have much to learn thanks!
[09:46] <Darkside> oh wait
[09:46] <Darkside> maybe a bit longer
[09:46] <fsphil> x-f: that is little :)
[09:46] <Darkside> Diamond X-50 i think
[09:47] <x-f> ok then :)
[09:47] <fsphil> mine is the X-50 too
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[09:47] <fsphil> it's about my height
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[09:47] <fsphil> maybe a little bigger
[09:48] <RocketBoy> fsphil: tell them its for a fuel cell generator
[09:48] <fsphil> 1.7m
[09:48] <RocketBoy> (the H20
[09:48] <Maxell> This diamond x-50n is ~1,80m https://revspace.nl/images/e/e2/XOABzL1.png
[09:48] <fsphil> is that a diamond Maxell?
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[09:48] <fsphil> mine didn't come with such large radials
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[09:49] <Maxell> https://revspace.nl/images/5/53/IMAG0864.jpg it's decent
[09:49] <fsphil> RocketBoy: good plan. do BOC deliver to the depot or is it the depot's job to order it?
[09:49] <Maxell> fsphil: yes, the x-50n
[09:49] <fsphil> Maxell: interesting. mine isn't the N version
[09:49] <fsphil> annoyingly
[09:50] <Darkside> Maxell: aha thats the one i have too
[09:50] <Darkside> though mine isnt on my roof yet
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[09:50] <fsphil> large radials too Darkside?
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[09:50] <Darkside> fsphil: not that large
[09:50] <Darkside> maybe 30cm
[09:50] <RocketBoy> my local depot just keep a load of everything and then you just phone and pick it up
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[09:51] <Maxell> https://revspace.nl/images/9/93/LUsffcP.png heh
[09:51] <x-f> nommo, a selfmade 1/4 wave ground plane is small, number10 and some others use that for HAB tracking with good results
[09:51] <Guest44371> exit
[09:51] <fsphil> RocketBoy: ah. my local don't keep H2
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[09:51] <RocketBoy> if its out of stock they get some more and let you know when its in
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[09:51] <Hix> Today is treecam install day :)
[09:51] <RocketBoy> its quite a large depot at ipswich
[09:51] <Sweeper__> Does anyone know if on a radiometrix transceiver data out/data in are serial or a bitstream?
[09:52] <nommo> x-f: Thanks! I'll try to decode that! ;)
[09:52] <fsphil> oooh nice Hix
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[09:52] <fsphil> my box has had a few more visits today
[09:52] <Sweeper__> Been trying to play with this thing for hours but just can't get a handle on the type of information its sending when it refers to data in/out
[09:52] <Hix> though I've net seen much activity around the normaly favoured location this year
[09:52] <fsphil> http://webcam.sanslogic.co.uk/box1
[09:52] <RocketBoy> even the smaller air products reseller seems to keep H2 and He in stock
[09:52] <Hix> Sweeper__: have you seen the guide on the wiki?
[09:52] <fsphil> got it online but the odds of catching them is low
[09:53] <x-f> nommo, http://www.sbrac.org/files/quarter-wave-gp.png
[09:53] <fsphil> there's no local air products reseller here :/
[09:53] <fsphil> nearest one is a fair drive away
[09:53] <Hix> sweet fsphil that streaming through vlc?
[09:53] <RocketBoy> bbl
[09:53] <Sweeper__> yeah, the guide is using an NTX transmitter and I'm working with a transceiver with my arduino and Pics to encode/decode AX25
[09:53] <fsphil> Hix: a poorly written program of my own
[09:54] <nommo> x-f: Ah yes - little thing - we used to call something similar a 'biscuit tin' I think
[09:54] <Hix> oh, even nicer. does the job :)
[09:54] <Sweeper__> so I kind of understand how to work with the transmit side but the receiving side is what I'm having trouble with, like what should my arduino be interpreting
[09:54] <fsphil> some day I'll tidy it up and put it on github
[09:54] <fsphil> is this for a balloon flight Sweeper__?
[09:55] <Sweeper__> pico sat
[09:55] <fsphil> you probably don't want to use an arduino as a ground station
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[09:55] <Sweeper__> I just got my license and I got sponsored for a launch and the set up I'm going for I'm having trouble with :\ I spent alot of time programming applications on the arduino now I'm working on transceiver control on the arduino
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[09:56] <Sweeper__> oh no its not ground station its whats on the actual sat
[09:56] <fsphil> aah gotcha
[09:56] <Sweeper__> using an arduino mini
[09:56] <fsphil> I misunderstood
[09:56] <Sweeper__> doing a tube sat
[09:56] <fsphil> I've not used that radio but my understanding is the modulation is the same as the NTX2, but there is a serial interface to set the frequency
[09:56] <Sweeper__> if i was able to use a cube sat i wouldve used a beagle board and with linux all my troubles wouldve drifted away, I could just use the audio signals and work with that for the ax25
[09:57] <fsphil> ax25 isn't too difficult to do from an avr
[09:57] <nommo> brb
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[09:57] <Sweeper__> yeah from what I'm seeing I can set the channel on the transceiver with 3 on/off switches on the TR2M to adjust my frequency band
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[10:00] <MissDee> so, 3:43, Pie went pop?
[10:00] <fsphil> there isn't a huge amount of frequency choices for that radio
[10:00] <fsphil> MissDee: either the batteries or the raspberry pi failed
[10:00] <MissDee> oh yeah, or that :)
[10:00] <fsphil> it likely stayed afloat until sunrise
[10:01] <Sweeper__> yeah, well for now I'm not worried about the selection, just worried about the control on the arduino
[10:01] <fsphil> really impressive flight
[10:01] <fsphil> Sweeper__: could you use a simpler radio?
[10:01] <MissDee> I wonder if it can log battery voltage next time?
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[10:01] <Sweeper__> Like turning off the TX is a simple setting the pin to High or low, and setting the PTT isnt difficult either its the other options that I'm baffled about
[10:01] <fsphil> battery voltage and temperature would have been interesting
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[10:02] <MissDee> RPi has analogue input IIRC
[10:02] <Sweeper__> unfortunately not this late in the game :\ my budget isnt able to buy another radio or get new PCBs made
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[10:02] <fsphil> brb
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[10:06] <PD3EM> it's a pitty that OM2AMR hasn't been using APRS recently...
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[10:12] <nommo> Can anyone tell me what frequency ranges would be required for SDR kit to track HAB - or even better recommend a dongle or board to get me started?
[10:12] <Darkside> the stuff on Upu's store is good
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[10:12] <Darkside> hrm
[10:12] <Darkside> he doesnt have them
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[10:12] <Darkside> Upu: what happened?
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[10:14] <nommo> Darkside: Thanks - I found this page http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr#Specifications but I'm still a bit sleepy ;) I'll check out Upu
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[10:14] <Darkside> hold on nommo
[10:14] <Darkside> Upu used to sell one of the sdr dongles
[10:14] <Darkside> that worked well
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[10:15] <S_Mark> nommo: http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/the-receiver-and-antenna.html
[10:15] <S_Mark> This is what I did, hope that helps
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[10:16] <Darkside> yup
[10:16] <Darkside> everyone loves my HABAmp
[10:16] <Darkside> :P
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[10:16] <S_Mark> They sure do lol
[10:16] <nommo> S_Mark: Cool thanks - a recipe is what I needed :D
[10:16] <craag_M0DNY> Darkside: Upu isn't selling the dongles any more as you can get them just as cheap elsewhere
[10:16] <Darkside> ahh ok
[10:16] Nick change: craag_M0DNY -> craag
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[10:17] <S_Mark> Yeah, he did the useful thing of soldering on an sma connector, so now if someone buys one elsewhere then they'd have to do that themselves
[10:17] <S_Mark> But thats the only diff
[10:17] <Darkside> mm
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[10:19] <DL5SFI_Steffen> in close proximity to the last position of AVE is an inn
[10:19] <DL5SFI_Steffen> https://plus.google.com/107144856046626493355/about
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[10:22] <DL5SFI_Steffen> http://www.loipeninfo.at/default.asp?id=60473&sstr=familie%20leopold
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[10:27] <nommo> Is this the badger? http://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=287
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[10:28] <Upu> haha love how spacenear.us still thinks its airborne :)
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[10:28] <isasha> Ping rbckman
[10:28] <jcoxon> Any update
[10:28] <DL5SFI_Steffen> UPU: in the near auf AVA is
[10:28] <DL5SFI_Steffen> https://plus.google.com/107144856046626493355/about
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[10:28] <DL5SFI_Steffen> http://www.loipeninfo.at/default.asp?id=60473&sstr=familie%20leopold
[10:29] <DL5SFI_Steffen> i see of aprs.fi
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[10:29] <Maxell> nommo: well, you'd need to be able to recieve 434 MHz well, so any rtl-sdr dongle will do fine
[10:29] <isasha> I saw your messages in #posttenebraslab, I'm really sorry that no one helped you out from there. There is a SDR in Lausanne, about ~50 KM away at the Fixme hackerspace (#fixme).
[10:29] <Maxell> and 434 MHz antenna
[10:30] <Maxell> The diamond x-50n is dual band 2 meters & 70 cm, 144-146 and 430-440 MHz
[10:30] <isasha> rbckman: you can find more details here https://fixme.ch/wiki/SDR
[10:30] <jcoxon> Ping upu
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[10:31] <nommo> Maxell: Thanks - I need to read a primer or two before I think about spending any money
[10:31] <Maxell> Most sdr dongles are bout 10 euro.
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[10:31] <Darkside> get something like an EzCap dongle, and a habamp
[10:32] <Darkside> you may have to do some modding of the EzCap dongle to be able to use the habap
[10:32] <Maxell> But since you got your amateur licence a 2meter/70cm antenna is a good start :P
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[10:32] <Darkside> replace the connector on it, etc
[10:32] <Upu> hey jcoxon
[10:32] <jcoxon> Down?
[10:32] <Darkside> down down
[10:32] <Darkside> deeper and down
[10:32] <Upu> yep
[10:32] <Darkside> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKe2OfXLxuc
[10:32] <Darkside> relevant
[10:32] <Upu> 1 mile up a mountain still being RX'd :)
[10:33] <Upu> in Slovakia :)
[10:33] Action: Darkside rocks out
[10:33] <nommo> Maxell, Darkside: Thanks (hehe - I'll look into the amateur license ;))
[10:33] <Darkside> o/
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[10:33] <Upu> hmm why is Radmin chase car on the map is he really going after ?
[10:33] <Upu> lol
[10:34] <PD3EM> he said so
[10:34] <x-f> \
[10:34] <Upu> hah I'm going to owe him so many beers
[10:34] <Darkside> Upu: yes he is
[10:34] <PD3EM> lol
[10:34] <Darkside> and yes
[10:34] <Darkside> you will
[10:34] <DL5SFI_Steffen> om2amr said he rescue him
[10:34] <Upu> lol
[10:34] <DL5SFI_Steffen> he is on the way there
[10:35] <Upu> claiming highest landing record
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[10:35] <Upu> thats a long way
[10:35] <x-f> [=====
[10:35] <mdav> om2amr_chase on the move to AVA? http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:35] <Darkside> mdav: yes
[10:36] <Maxell> nommo: ah, I tought I read you alrady got one :P
[10:36] <mdav> cool!
[10:36] <Upu> you know whats midly amusing
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[10:36] <Upu> the tracker hasn't switched to pedestrian mode as its > 1000 meters :o)
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[10:36] <craag> heh
[10:37] <nommo> Maxell: No - stupidly abandoned radio after CB as a teenager... started an obsession with the internet shortly after
[10:37] <Maxell> Yeah, hmm. For recieving you don't need one
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[10:37] <Maxell> I'm also looking into it since sdr got me sucked in
[10:37] <Upu> it looks like its only 200 meters from a road
[10:37] <Maxell> (I'd never done CB before)
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[10:38] <Maxell> 133.344 km/h... Hes speeding!
[10:38] <nommo> Maxell: Yes - I got a little sucked in yesterday... :)
[10:38] <andytherocketeer> 200m but looks pretty steep if it's far from the ridge. looks reasonbly accessible.
[10:38] <PD3EM> he wants to get back before dinner ;-)
[10:38] <andytherocketeer> assuming the snow has gone ;)
[10:39] <Maxell> :P
[10:40] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: AVA has landed a mile up a mountain in Austria is still being received in Slovakia #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/323385185875927040]
[10:40] <Maxell> nommo: yep. costyn had done a balloon before and I got intrested in the radio beacon that flies with it. So we setup an antenna and sdr dongle at out local hackerspace for this kind of events.
[10:40] <DL5SFI_Steffen> about 1km from a pension
[10:40] <Maxell> Now we are planning on adding another antenna, a discone.
[10:41] <DL5SFI_Steffen> and is a skiresort !
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[10:42] <tim__> would i be able to use my wifi card as a reciever?
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[10:43] <tim__> for dl-fidgi
[10:43] <Darkside> no
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[10:43] <Upu> by my calcs the greater circle is about 1256km ?
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[10:43] <nommo> Maxell: Cool! Where abouts is your hackspace? I came to this via being a Pi dabbler...
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[10:44] <nommo> tim__: You're probably at the same stage as me in terms of wondering how to get started :)
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[10:45] <nommo> tim__: This is the page I am starting with http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[10:45] <willdude123> Morning.
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[10:47] <nommo> I found an EZCap RTL2832U/E4000 dongle - but it's 3x more expensive than the RTL 2832U / R820T
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[10:47] <Darkside> thats because they are rare now
[10:47] <Maxell> nommo: https://revspace.nl/Main_Page The hague, Netherlands
[10:47] <Darkside> an R820T tuner is fine nommo
[10:47] <Darkside> its the 'new' E4000
[10:48] <Maxell> Yeah, it has less noise spikes, no huge thick noise line in the middle and it's more sensative
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[10:48] <Maxell> watch out with pager networks, r820t doesn't like very strong signals
[10:48] <Darkside> thats what the HABAmp is for
[10:48] <Maxell> Yep!
[10:48] <Darkside> gets rid of the out-of-band crap
[10:48] <griffonbot> @jdtanner: RT @AnthonyStirk: AVA has landed a mile up a mountain in Austria is still being received in Slovakia #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jdtanner/status/323387377781456896]
[10:48] <nommo> Maxell, Darkside: Thanks - I think I've got myself a kit list :D
[10:49] <Maxell> Oh the r820t uses more power, so it gets more hot and it needs a while to stabilize
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[10:49] <Maxell> nommo: note, check for a mini r820t
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[10:49] <tim__> nommo: yes i am at your stage
[10:49] <DL5SFI_Steffen> I think they have to run out there and then! http://maps.google.at/maps?q=47.573659,15.908375&num=1&vpsrc=6&hl=de&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.579305,15.942535&spn=0.138957,0.205994&z=11&source=embed
[10:50] <Maxell> nommo: like these http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-USB-2-0-DVB-T-STICK-RTL2832U-R820T-TV-DVD-MPEG-2-FM-radio-DAB-radio-WMA-/221175422651
[10:51] <Maxell> It uses more power (gets hotter and may need an active usb hub) but has far less random spikes
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[10:51] <nommo> Maxell: Cor - tiny!
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[10:52] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-13--18-26-36-PIE5-C5.jpeg?u=74
[10:52] <Upu> thats ace
[10:53] <Maxell> nommo: yep, 2cm × 2 cm.
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[10:53] <Upu> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-14--03-34-24-PIE5-114.jpeg?u=29 sunrise :)
[10:53] <Upu> sort of
[10:53] <Maxell> Upu: nope :P
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[10:54] <fsphil> I like the sunrise pic
[10:54] <Maxell> I think thats still the sun going down
[10:54] <nommo> Maxell: and it's possible to get the HABamp working with it and have an adaptor for antenna etc?
[10:54] <Upu> this is the beer I'm going to owe Radim : http://www.columbusunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/world-of-beer.jpg
[10:54] <x-f> Maxell, it's about an hour before the sunrise (local time)
[10:54] <Maxell> Most of the R820T tuners have a MCX female on one side. You could use a MCX <--> SMA pigtail for tha.
[10:55] <Upu> just a word on the R820T's
[10:55] <Upu> I have one from CozyCave
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[10:55] <Upu> and its useless
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[10:55] <fsphil> the annoying thing about http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-13--18-26-36-PIE5-C5.jpeg is the little glimps of ground detail at the bottom right
[10:56] <nommo> Upu: Cheers - defective or just a useless?
[10:56] <Upu> yeah
[10:56] <Maxell> nommo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/20in-SMA-male-plug-to-MCX-right-angle-male-Jumper-pigtail-RG316-cable-/160962340354 like that
[10:56] <g4sgx> On the map, whats the smaller green circle ? I take it the blue is the TX footprint.
[10:56] <Upu> well not sure someone else has an issue
[10:56] <Upu> its just deaf as a post to quiet signals
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[10:56] <Maxell> Upu: thats useless about them?!
[10:57] <Upu> doesn't work for HAB
[10:57] <x-f> g4sgx, where it's five degrees above horizon
[10:57] <Maxell> oh it doesn't pick up anything
[10:57] <Upu> even with a HAB amp
[10:57] <Upu> switch it out for an original E4000 without a hab amp and no issues
[10:57] <Maxell> welp, mine (mini 'edtion') worked perfectly. Even without habamp.
[10:57] <Upu> yeah might be fault
[10:57] <Upu> faulty
[10:57] <nommo> Oh - my whippet is giving me puppy eyes - I'm going to have to take him out for a walk... thanks for all the tips - I'll prob be back in a little while with more n00b questions!
[10:58] <Maxell> OK, for sdr qestiopns you can check ##rtlsdr
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[10:58] <Maxell> note the two ##
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Objective Movie of AVA's flight Path http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/AVA-TET.html
[10:59] <nommo> Maxell: Cheers
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[10:59] <fsphil> hah, AVA is still being decoded
[11:00] <tim__> is this good enough for an sdr reciever?
[11:00] <tim__> http://www.ecrater.co.uk/p/17593589/realtek-rtl2832u-elonics-e4000-usb?gps=1
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that's all I'm using, same chip set at least
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you check around someone is doing them with the standard TV software as well ob mini cd
[11:01] <tim__> so it will track HAB's with that antena?
[11:02] <andytherocketeer> how do i find what chip, without smashing it apart?
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> No you need something a litte better! I'm using a very old (25 years) WX1 just a 2m/70cms white stick
[11:02] <andytherocketeer> found an ancient lite-on one in my box of bits
[11:03] <tim__> ok but the chip is fine?
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> get the aerial out in the clear and I was copying and decoding PIE5 pictures last night until just under 600Km from the South Coast
[11:03] <cuddykid> fsphil: is there any documentation around your ssdv command line tool?
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[11:03] <fsphil> cuddykid: not much beyond ssdv --help, or asking me :)
[11:03] <nosebleedkt> Hi all
[11:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup RTL2832U/E4000 is the one you want
[11:03] <fsphil> but it's very simple
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[11:03] <nosebleedkt> I just transmitted VGA from Si4431 chip.
[11:03] <nosebleedkt> :D
[11:03] <fsphil> nice!
[11:04] <nosebleedkt> no resets and stuff
[11:04] <cuddykid> fsphil: haha :D - what's the e and d flags?
[11:04] <fsphil> encode, decode
[11:04] <fsphil> tells it which way it's working
[11:04] <cuddykid> ah, I see
[11:04] <Maxell> tim__: the supplied antenna is worthless. It's not for the same freqency made as we wan't to recieve and HABs require line of sight, so unless you can mount it on your roof it won't do much.
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[11:04] <cuddykid> fsphil: and t? percentage of what :P
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[11:04] <fsphil> test mode, when decoding it drops a % of packets
[11:04] <cuddykid> ah I see, nice
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[11:04] <Maxell> E4000 will work just fine.
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[11:06] <lbm> morning habsters :-)
[11:06] <fsphil> afternoon :)
[11:07] <lbm> well, even afternoon here in denmark ;-)
[11:08] <chrisg7ogx_> what fantastic balloon flights, Congratulations!
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[11:08] <fsphil> they where both really fascinating
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[11:09] <fsphil> Now just have to see if AVA is recoverable. Upu just can't get rid of these things
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah one of my favorite images from PIE5 last night http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-13--23-30-45-PIE5-EC.jpeg?u=89
[11:09] <tim__> the seller is from china :/
[11:09] <tim__> i dont want to be paying extra for customs
[11:09] <lbm> i'm just getting into amateur radio, inspired by the cheap rtl usb dongles and the hab community
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> upu send out a new balloon and ask them to launch it again from where it landed ;-)
[11:10] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: yes it took a detour :)
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[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Quick loop around Moon ;-)
[11:10] <rbckman> do you think there's any hope for the PIE still or is it dead?
[11:10] <fsphil> batteries will be flat by now
[11:11] <lbm> got an r820t from china, played around with ads-b and aprs, fun stuff
[11:11] <fsphil> and it's almost certainly sitting in a field in france now
[11:11] <rbckman> there's some guys at Lausanne with a receiver
[11:11] <lbm> now onto my original inspiration, hab
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[11:12] <fsphil> there will no doubt be more flights out to europe, so the more receivers the better :)
[11:12] <rbckman> ok
[11:12] <lbm> just ordered a yagi for the 70 cm band, fme connector on the antenna itself, fme in both ends of the included coax cable
[11:12] <rbckman> :)
[11:12] <Darkside> eew FME
[11:12] <Darkside> thats used for mobile phones
[11:12] <Darkside> and not much else
[11:12] <Darkside> you want somethign like BNC or SMA
[11:13] <fsphil> or even N
[11:13] <Darkside> yeah
[11:13] <Darkside> though N is a little bit overkill
[11:13] <fsphil> bnc is handy though
[11:13] <Darkside> nice connector though
[11:13] <Darkside> yep, bayonets
[11:13] <Darkside> what works for warfare works for RF
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[11:13] <Darkside> but yeah, FME is a crap choice
[11:14] <lbm> my question is, can you recommend a mcx-fme converter or pigtail? what are the arguments? any difference in performance?
[11:14] <Maxell> desolder it and hook up s pigtail with someting more decent on it
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[11:15] <x-f> rbckman, you can join UKHAS mailing list for launch announcements - https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas
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[11:18] <lbm> must of the danish radio amateur shops are going for fme apparently, as well as this bargain yagi antenna also mentioned yesterday: http://www.thiecom.de/aby7lb-70cm-band-richtantenne.html
[11:18] <Darkside> whic his silly
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[11:18] <Darkside> no commercial rigs use FME
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[11:18] <Darkside> its all either BNC, SO239, or N
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[11:19] <Darkside> using FME is akin to vendor lock-in
[11:20] <Darkside> kind of
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[11:20] <lbm> i see, i'm trying to keep the expenses and soldering/crimping to a minimal for my first setup :-)
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[11:22] <lbm> so, fme it is for this antenna and cable
[11:22] <Darkside> er
[11:22] <Darkside> BNC is easy
[11:22] <Darkside> srsly
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[11:23] <AndrewS> Morning folks. Has PIE's batteries given up then? :(
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[11:24] <lbm> should i go for a converter or pigtail to do the conversion from mcx to let's say bnc? ;-)
[11:25] <cuddykid> fsphil: does ssdv do any compression stuff or should that be done before encoding?
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[11:26] <fsphil> cuddykid: it sets an upper limit, anything above 55% will come out at about the same size
[11:26] <fsphil> percentage being the jpeg compression level
[11:26] <AndrewS> Are any Austrians out hunting for AVA? :)
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[11:27] <Maxell> lbm: a pibtail takes off any extra stress
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> As to BNC's bulkhead mount fits nicely http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/Picture%2047.jpg
[11:28] <cuddykid> fsphil: so it's fine just to do say: ssdv -e -c HABE test.jpeg some_output_file ?
[11:28] <Maxell> AndrewS: no, I think it's just out of range for eveyrone
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[11:28] <Darkside> theres a slovakian enroute to AVA now
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[11:28] <griffonbot> @OK1RIG: RT @daveake: Video of Pi In The Sky 5 (and AVA) launch #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi https://t.co/lT5o2gtgF5 [http://twitter.com/OK1RIG/status/323397458489139200]
[11:29] <fsphil> cuddykid: yes, if the jpeg is within the limits (resolution multiple of 16, and not progressive)
[11:29] <OM1ATS> Chase car is on the way...
[11:29] <AndrewS> Maxell: Aww, must be really frustrating
[11:29] <fsphil> the batteries will be flat by now
[11:29] <x-f> AndrewS, Slovaks are on the hunt for AVA :)
[11:29] <lbm> Maxell: yes, and the extra set of connectors doesn't impact performance?
[11:29] <cuddykid> got it, thanks fsphil
[11:29] <fsphil> but from the sounds of it the Pi failed last night (either due to low battery or low temperature)
[11:29] <fsphil> (or both)
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[11:30] <AndrewS> I wish the Slovaks luck :-)
[11:30] <fsphil> this is like an extreme version of SOTA
[11:31] <Maxell> lbm: if you get fme <--> bnc and connect that to bnc <---> bnc it would hurt much
[11:31] <OM1ATS> haha thanks, signal is still strong
[11:31] <Maxell> But better would be replacing the fme conenctor, ofc.
[11:31] <AndrewS> Ah cool, there's a path on the chase car now - it's left Abu Dhabi
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[11:33] <AndrewS> Looks like you've got quite some drive ahead of you
[11:33] <Robint91> mhh
[11:33] <Robint91> -81.3dbm is s9 on my ft817
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[11:33] <Darkside> lol
[11:33] <Darkside> it should be -72dBm
[11:34] <Darkside> (or is it -73?)
[11:34] <Darkside> definitely not -81 though
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[11:34] <Darkside> i can't talk my FT-7's S-meter is horrifically nonlinear
[11:34] <Robint91> and I still can recieve -140dBm
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[11:34] <Maxell> Most of those S meters are bs
[11:34] <Robint91> on 434Mhz
[11:34] <Darkside> theres a reason why its a 'guess-o-meter'
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[11:35] <OM1ATS> http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/1395/avagj.jpg
[11:35] <Robint91> and S1 is around -108.2dBm
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[11:35] <Robint91> I like my R&S SMY01
[11:35] <Darkside> i bet you do
[11:35] <Darkside> :P
[11:36] <Darkside> the sig-gen at uni is out of calibration by about 2-3dB
[11:36] <eroomde> wow you lucky thing
[11:36] <eroomde> having R&S stuff
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[11:36] <willdude123> Have AVA and PIE landed? Do they have backup trackers?
[11:36] <lbm> Maxell: but no noticeable performance difference with converter vs. pigtail?
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[11:37] <Darkside> lbm: you'll get slightly more loss with a pigtail
[11:37] <Darkside> due to the little bit of cable loss
[11:37] <Darkside> its not really going to be significant though
[11:37] <Darkside> just do what you can to relieve stress on the MCX connector
[11:37] <Darkside> as thats where things are goign to fail
[11:38] <lbm> Darkside: thanks, i will think about converting to bnc after fme being flamed ;-)
[11:38] <Darkside> :-)
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[11:38] <Robint91> mhh in FM mode I can get a nice output on 434MHz with 1khz modulation from around -119.4dBm
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[11:39] <Robint91> S9 is around -100dBm on FM
[11:39] <Robint91> what!
[11:39] <Darkside> oh
[11:39] <Robint91> silly 817
[11:39] <Darkside> you're measuring on FM
[11:39] <Darkside> and on UHF
[11:39] <Darkside> yeah ojk
[11:39] <Darkside> thats different
[11:39] <Darkside> lemme check what it should be
[11:40] <Robint91> first I was doing SSB
[11:40] <Robint91> now FM
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[11:40] <Darkside> its different for UHF/VHF than for HF
[11:40] <Darkside> i was quoting -73dBm = S9 for HF
[11:40] <willdude123> Have AVA and PIE landed? Do they have backup trackers?
[11:40] <Darkside> ok, so on VHF/UHF, S9 = -93dBm
[11:41] <Darkside> try doing the SSB test on UHF
[11:41] <Darkside> using that scale
[11:41] <Darkside> so -93dBm = S9, -99dBm = S8, so on
[11:41] <Darkside> 6dB per S-division
[11:41] <Robint91> mhh
[11:42] <M0RBD> AVA just deployed a parachute on the map I'm watching
[11:42] <M0RBD> :P
[11:42] <craag> AVA is on the ground
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[11:43] <M0RBD> ah
[11:43] <Darkside> the gps altitude is quite noisy
[11:43] <craag> But still being received, as it's on a mountainside.
[11:43] <Darkside> tbh single-frequency GPS altitude accuracy is a bit questionable in general
[11:43] <Darkside> i really want to fly a dual frequency GPS, or do some postprocessing on a flight with some raw data
[11:43] <Darkside> and figure out how accurate it really is
[11:43] <Maxell> lbm: I do not think so.
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[11:44] <craag> It's supposed to go into a 'pedestrian mode' on the GPS to reduce noise, but that's triggered by altitude <1000m, which it isn't!
[11:44] <Darkside> hehe
[11:44] <willdude123> So ava is just on really high ground?
[11:44] <Darkside> yes
[11:44] <Darkside> on a mountain
[11:44] <willdude123> Heh.
[11:44] <willdude123> What about PIE?
[11:44] <Darkside> PIEs battery is dead
[11:44] <Darkside> its probably burst and landed by now
[11:44] <Darkside> given how AVA went
[11:45] <Darkside> no backup tracker
[11:45] <Darkside> wasnt going to work so well across different countries anyway
[11:45] <M0RBD> It might be in a Swiss bankvault
[11:46] <Hix> fsphil: set up and ready to go http://i.imgur.com/ZuHZv3G.jpg
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[11:47] <AndrewS> According to the "Terrain" view on the google maps tracker, looks like AVA is at 1560m
[11:47] <fsphil> that's a great looking nest Hix
[11:47] <Hix> its been used a couple of years runnig, hopefully third time luck too
[11:47] <Hix> *lucky
[11:48] <AndrewS> RIP, PIE
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[11:49] <OM1ATS> AVA Chase car = OM1AMJ in APRS
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[11:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[11:50] <Lunar_Lander> so do I get it right that AVA landed in Austria?
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[11:51] <tim__> yes it did
[11:51] <AndrewS> Yup
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[11:51] <tim__> anything new with PIE?
[11:51] <Lunar_Lander> well done Upu
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[11:52] <ON5RZ> AVA just a few 100 meters away from Steyersberger Schwaig Familie resto +43 664 3760711 on the beginning of a skislope ..
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[11:53] <Upu> haha
[11:53] <Upu> nice
[11:53] <Upu> afk for a bit
[11:53] <Upu> will wait for news from Radim
[11:54] <craag> I wanted to go skiing for a year. I'll have to set off quickly to still use the AVA receovery as an excuse though!
[11:54] <craag> *this year
[11:54] <JFS1> Brilliant flight Anthony - hope you're pleased with it.
[11:54] <ON5RZ> mhh... only 10 cm of snow on 10 march so ...
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[11:55] <JFS1> Has anyone been able to check the height of the terrain where AVA landed?
[11:55] <ON5RZ> 1570
[11:56] <JFS1> Amazing - so it's not in a tree then!
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[11:57] <ON5RZ> it's in a valley just zouth of a peak of the mountain - the valley is facing NW to the ground
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[11:57] <geneva> So they have a blue car and you drive backwards? :)
[11:58] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[11:59] <tim__> is it possible to get a RC plane up to 70,000 ft?
[11:59] <PD3EM> chase car via APRS: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FOM1AMJ&timerange=3600&tail=3600
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[12:00] <Maxell> PD3EM: it's not very real time
[12:00] <edjuh> good flights this weekend
[12:00] <MissDee> has AVA actuially landed yet?
[12:00] <MissDee> tracker just lists predicted landing
[12:00] <PD3EM> he's using the VX-8 HT
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[12:00] <pberrett> hi all
[12:01] <edjuh> dag meneer pberrett
[12:01] <craag> MissDee: It's landed, on a mountainside.
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[12:01] <pberrett> dag, ik ben hier nieuwe
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[12:01] <MissDee> ohhhh
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[12:01] <pberrett> sorry dat mijn nederlandse is niet zo good
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[12:02] <Maxell> pberrett: so keep it English, pleae :)
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[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:02] <pberrett> ok thats fine
[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> yesterday we had a funny language mix
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[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> German, Dutch, English
[12:02] <edjuh> pberrett: it is english on this channel, just greeting you in $default language
[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:02] <pberrett> its my native language anyway
[12:02] <pberrett> lol
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[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi geneva
[12:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi to CH
[12:03] <pberrett> are you guys following the ballon launches across europe?
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> so we got ON5RZ , that's Belgium?
[12:03] <geneva> hi
[12:03] <ON5RZ> yup
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> pberrett, that's what we do
[12:03] <pberrett> vk3pb here
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:03] <edjuh> pberrett: correct
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> we got Swiss, Belgians, VK is australia?
[12:03] <pberrett> vk = australia
[12:03] <pberrett> yes
[12:03] Nick change: edjuh -> pe5ed
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> dutch as well
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[12:03] <pberrett> are most of you guys hams?
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> we miss people from luxemburg xD
[12:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I am not, but many should be
[12:03] <pe5ed> dutchies brits, germans no lx or ct idd
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[12:04] <pberrett> hi vk2io
[12:04] <x-f> here was one from Hungary, too
[12:04] <pberrett> de vk3pb
[12:04] <pe5ed> I guess a lot of SP# as well, but not sure
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[12:04] <vk2io> hi!
[12:04] <pberrett> so you guys have heard of amateurlogic?
[12:04] <ON5RZ> pic from googleearth http://s22.postimg.org/colpagclt/ava.jpg
[12:04] <Lunar_Lander> and hello to PD3EM and MissDee
[12:05] <AndrewS> Wow, chunky textures!
[12:05] <pe5ed> Lunar_Lander: you are a mooner ? ;)
[12:05] <nommo> I'm back from a bracing walk!
[12:05] <pe5ed> ON5RZ: bien merci
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD I am like a space flight fan :)
[12:05] <MissDee> Lunar_Lander: thanks :)
[12:05] <pberrett> amateurlogic featired a balloon launch a few months ago
[12:05] <nommo> Is the person behind Stratodean still about? (sorry I forgot your nickname)
[12:05] <vk2io> Back on after 9 hrs. Looks like we still have some action!
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> MissDee, are you the woman from the STRATODEAN team?
[12:05] <ON5RZ> wow - iI speak Flemish no Frenchies
[12:05] <MissDee> nope
[12:05] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:06] <pe5ed> That will be a hell of a climb, does it apply for an sota location
[12:06] <Maxell> pberrett: I'm not a HAM (yet?!)
[12:06] <MissDee> I joined after the RPi launch and just satyed watching :)
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> but I think you are only the third woman to be here
[12:06] <pe5ed> ON5RZ: excusez ;)
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[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> after a chemistry student and daveake's wide
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> *wife
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:06] <MissDee> hhe
[12:06] <MissDee> kinds' interested in SDR though
[12:06] <pberrett> for those that are interested I help make an amateur radio vidcast called amateurlogic http://www.amateurlogic.tv
[12:06] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:06] <x-f> nommo, S_Mark
[12:06] <pe5ed> we need a more femenine touch here ( as everywhere )
[12:07] <pberrett> anyway that's not why im here
[12:07] <Maxell> lol, on the internet?
[12:07] <pberrett> i have a question
[12:07] <pe5ed> 42
[12:07] <pberrett> which of the 3 balloons is carrying the raspberry pi?
[12:07] <pe5ed> that is always the answer to such questions
[12:07] <Maxell> PIE is :)
[12:07] <MissDee> PIE
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[12:07] <nommo> x-f: Cheers - I just noticed while reading his recipe that he's not far from me :)
[12:07] <Lunar_Lander> MissDee, do you plan to make a balloon too?
[12:07] <MissDee> nooo
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[12:07] <pberrett> yes amateurlogic is available on the internet
[12:08] <MissDee> not enough motivation/money/knowledge :)
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[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> but you are from the UK?
[12:08] <MissDee> I am
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> I am from germany actually
[12:08] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Wow i stayed connected... MORNIN yall from North Carolina USA :)
[12:08] <Lunar_Lander> and I took five years from start to launch XD
[12:08] <pe5ed> missdee, we once had a rocket program here for 16 year olds
[12:08] <MissDee> wow, impressive
[12:08] <pe5ed> so you're argument is void
[12:08] <MissDee> successful?
[12:08] <pe5ed> yes
[12:08] <pberrett> PIe - i see the one over Helvetia
[12:09] <pe5ed> all 10 groups even, distance over 15 km
[12:09] <MissDee> pberrett: no contact since ~4AM GMT
[12:09] <pberrett> oh that's no good
[12:09] <nommo> S_Mark: If you're around - I'm over near Cheltenham (up the hill towards Ciren)
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[12:09] <MissDee> "It's not rocket science"? :)
[12:09] <pberrett> it was at 28k high
[12:09] <pberrett> so possibly frozen
[12:09] <Lunar_Lander> MissDee, my balloon was successful
[12:09] <pberrett> you need to include a reserve system
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> it landed right in a river
[12:10] <MissDee> or battery died maybe
[12:10] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[12:10] <pe5ed> historical question
[12:10] <pberrett> what excatly is the pi doing on the balloon? what software is it running?
[12:10] <craag> pberrett: It acheived it's goal, and it was known that recovery was unlikely.
[12:11] <Wolfy-K4GHL> At 0341 UT PIE went to transmitting a steady carrier and stopped tx RTTY according to the last contact with it which was F6AIU so they told me
[12:11] <pe5ed> was this channel also in use when captain slow made his balloon run ?
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[12:11] <MissDee> pberrett: IIRC, it was an experiment in live video
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[12:11] <MissDee> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:11] <pberrett> using a Pi?
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[12:11] <pberrett> but the camera isnt available yet?
[12:11] <craag> yes
[12:12] <craag> no, but he got one early from eben
[12:12] <MissDee> it was :)
[12:12] <pberrett> aha
[12:12] <MissDee> the RPi team were at the launch
[12:12] <pberrett> so it was transmitting amateur television?
[12:12] <craag> pberrett: Check out twitter.com/daveake
[12:13] <craag> No, it sent a live picture down every couple of minutes by RTTY.
[12:13] <craag> As we aren't allowed to use Amateur Radio airborne in the UK.
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[12:13] <PE7ER> also : http://youtu.be/Yef_EToqMXQ
[12:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:13] <PD3EM> hi Lunar_Lander
[12:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi PD3EM
[12:13] Nick change: pe5ed -> PE5ED
[12:13] <Lunar_Lander> we didn't talk since my flight didn't we?
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[12:14] <PD3EM> it has been a while
[12:14] <griffonbot> Received email: Matt "[UKHAS] ESRB - Proposed launch 27th April 10AM"
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[12:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:14] <Lunar_Lander> the flight was OK, despite of the splashdown in a river xD
[12:15] <pberrett> we can use amateur radio in the air here
[12:15] <pberrett> we use it to send aprs
[12:15] <pberrett> on 2m
[12:15] <PD3EM> wet landings are the worst ;-)
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> yeah :)
[12:15] <craag> gonzo_: How's prep going?
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> it was good that some workers were nearby
[12:15] <lz1dev> pberrett: where you at?
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> they could retrieve it with their boat
[12:15] <pberrett> melbourne, australia
[12:15] <lz1dev> ah ok :)
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> pberrett, we met three hams at our landing
[12:15] <pberrett> cool
[12:15] <Lunar_Lander> and one guy talked about that we could take up an ATV xmitter
[12:16] <pberrett> yes you can use a g1mfg board
[12:16] <pberrett> relatively cheap
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[12:16] <pberrett> soem versions have 1 watt output on 23 cm
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[12:18] <pberrett> http://www.mobicomm.net/
[12:18] <Robint91> mhh, this http://www.rfmd.com/CS/Documents/RFMD2080DS.pdf + http://www.rfmd.com/CS/Documents/RF6886DS.pdf + STM32F3 would make a great telemetry board
[12:18] <ON5RZ> OM1AMJ already on ring road around Vienna
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[12:20] <ON5RZ> 105 km to drive to AVA http://goo.gl/maps/lkT8h
[12:21] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
[12:21] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
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[12:22] <Wolfy-K4GHL> WB8ELK are you still here?
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[12:24] <pberrett> dag alles
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[12:25] <AndrewS> It's been fun watching the progress of the balloons. Bye everyone!
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[12:25] <Lunar_Lander> this was awesome!
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[12:25] <x-f> Bonzo is still for launch today?
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> sad that most people don't stick around after a long-range flight
[12:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> LL I just skimmed through the last 6 hours of chat.. sad that PIE hasnt come back .. but its cool they know where AVA is... I find this very interesting...
[12:26] <Lunar_Lander> that is true
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I like that you can see PIE dropping by 10 km during sunset
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> and also the superpressure effect when the balloon's altitude is almost constant
[12:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> how often are these launched?
[12:27] <Wolfy-K4GHL> where are you seeing that part?
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> such long-range flights?
[12:27] <Lunar_Lander> seldom
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> you have the spacenear page in front of you?
[12:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> aye
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> click on the Tabs on the top
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> where it says PIE
[12:28] <Lunar_Lander> you get a time-altitude plot
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[12:28] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah
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[12:29] <PD3EM> can the OM2AMR chase car be linked to OM1AMJ on APRS?
[12:29] <JFS1> Wolfy-K4GHL: Flights are when people feel like doing them - for launch dates see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas
[12:29] <Wolfy-K4GHL> thanks JFS1
[12:30] <tim__> itll be good if PIE and AVA are near to each other
[12:31] <oe6rke> i wonder if the chaser can get to the balloon, because last week i drove through there have been still half meter of snow..:/
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[12:31] <PD3EM> oe6rke: oww doesn't sound good...
[12:31] Nick change: peter_ -> Guest66255
[12:32] <OM1ATS> Yes OM1AMJ is passenger in chase car
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[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> hi oe6rke
[12:32] <Darkside> OM1ATS: you stopped updating?
[12:32] <oe6rke> hi lunar
[12:32] <Lunar_Lander> are you just a ham or are you with one of the Austrian balloon teams?
[12:32] <OM1ATS> Radim doesn`t have data in Austria
[12:32] <gonzo_> craag, just setting up tha ballon
[12:33] <OM1ATS> updating ?
[12:33] <PE2G> Hi, this may be old news: Swiss Strato up
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[12:33] <oe6rke> there is no dedicated ballooning team in austria, but i conducted several chasing operations for wx and strastosphere balloons., so kinda some experiance ;)
[12:33] <PE2G> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FHB9IAC-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[12:34] <OM1ATS> I send still data from fldigi
[12:34] <PE2G> http://www.swiss-strato.com/strato-2/
[12:34] <Lunar_Lander> oe6rke, cool
[12:34] <Lunar_Lander> but there was an austrian at HAM RADIO 2010 who participated in the balloon flight
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> and I think his team name was Passepartout or so
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> from Graz
[12:35] <ON5RZ> call +43 664 3760711 to ask if the road is open
[12:35] <Lunar_Lander> PE2G, cool!
[12:35] <oe6rke> correct.. unfortunately passepartout were stolen before recovery have been on side... bummer..
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[12:36] <S_Mark> Hello
[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> that linear transponder
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[12:36] <Lunar_Lander> IIRC they even chartered a sport plane to look for it
[12:37] <csaway> afternoon S_Mark
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[12:37] Nick change: csaway -> chrisstubbs
[12:37] <nommo> S_Mark: Hey! I've just been scouring your blog... :)
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[12:38] <nommo> S_Mark: Not sure if you saw my earlier msg :If you're around - I'm over near Cheltenham (up the hill towards Ciren)
[12:38] <S_Mark> Sorry Sunday lunch called! Ah cool not far away then
[12:38] <S_Mark> I'm just writing the GPS tracker post
[12:39] <S_Mark> which I should have done ages ago
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[12:39] Action: fsphil had scrambled eggs on baps
[12:39] <fsphil> mm
[12:39] <nommo> S_Mark: Yes - shame about the weather for today, but like I said on twitter - might give me time to scrape together some RTL-SDR kit to track it!
[12:39] <oe6rke> do the collegues form om need further assistance? if yes let me know to inform local people
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[12:40] <eroomde> fsphil: went with jcoxon and helen (his gf) to Oxfork
[12:40] <eroomde> mega brunch of hapines
[12:40] <eroomde> s
[12:40] Action: fsphil googles
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[12:41] <fsphil> ooh looks great
[12:41] <ON5RZ> the nearest live webcam near AVA http://www.skiresorts-test.com/webcams/arabichl-kirchberg-am-wechsel/the-village.3777.html
[12:41] <eroomde> it's lovely. homemade everything
[12:41] <eroomde> baked beans, sourdough toast, sausages
[12:42] <S_Mark> nommo: ah that would be great yeah. The main thing with the SDR tracker is you must get a good aerial
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[12:42] <fsphil> I had some baked beans recently, after ages without. they're actually really good
[12:42] <Upu> at least no snow ON5RZ :)
[12:42] <fsphil> not sure why I stopped getting them
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> HI UPU
[12:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[12:42] <Upu> hey Lunar
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[12:43] <nommo> S_Mark: That seems to be the most expensive item in my kit list so far - possibly the deal breaker as far as my wife is concerned ;)
[12:43] Action: bertrik built a simple coaxial folded dipole, taped it to the window, and actually received some PIE packets with that antenna + RTLSDR/R820 receiver
[12:43] <ON5RZ> AVA is 4 klicks to the SW of webcam
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[12:43] <fsphil> we had a huge number of people receiving image packets
[12:43] <Maxell> bertrik: yeah, but what was the most distance you DX'd?
[12:43] <fsphil> I must do a count
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[12:44] <bertrik> only 60 km or so ...
[12:44] <Maxell> Put it in a PVC pipe and mount it on your roof!
[12:45] <S_Mark> Yeah it is, but without it none of it works!
[12:45] <S_Mark> There maybe cheaper and/or DIY alternatives
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[12:45] <M0RBD> bertrik/Maxell my 5ele 70cm in indoors in the attic! Managed to get them all while over North Sea/continental Europe...
[12:46] <Maxell> M0RBD: diy?
[12:46] <M0RBD> Yes
[12:46] <Maxell> Nice!
[12:46] <Maxell> Is it directional?
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[12:46] <M0RBD> Yeah, It's on a rotator and everything but in doors
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[12:46] <nommo> S_Mark: Aye - although I think I can probably find something 2nd hand but not DIY by next weekend...
[12:46] <M0RBD> indoors evn.. With a 2m 5ele below :D
[12:46] <Maxell> Hmm
[12:47] <Maxell> :P
[12:47] <S_Mark> That MR-77 has a magnet for mounting on top of our chase car
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[12:48] <nommo> S_Mark: And works OK indoors too?
[12:48] <S_Mark> Yep works great
[12:48] <S_Mark> Usually in a window sill
[12:48] <nommo> S_Mark: Looks tiny in the pic!
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[12:49] <fsphil> 62 individual callsigns in the ssdv receiver list
[12:49] <nommo> S_Mark: Perhaps I can scale down from a X-50N ;)
[12:49] <fsphil> sorry 63
[12:50] <fsphil> PE2G received most, 2908 packets
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[12:50] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Man yall need to figure out how to put HF transmitters on the balloons... I just worked Australia on 20 meters from the US.. 10,000 miles
[12:51] <Upu> We aren't allowed in the UK Wolfy-K4GHL
[12:51] <fsphil> Wolfy-K4GHL: some already do
[12:51] <fsphil> just not in the UK :)
[12:51] <tim__> good enough for an antenna? http://www.fruugo.co.uk/2m70cm-minaret-antenna/p-1581738?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product%2Bsearch
[12:51] <S_Mark> nommo: Ah which pic you looking at - the original one was the first one I could lay my hand on - I cobbled it together from my wireless router - very innapropriate!
[12:52] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I know.. yall need to figure out how to so we can hear them in the US :)
[12:52] <S_Mark> The second one http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/the-receiver-and-antenna.html under the 'Antenna' section is like 2 feet
[12:53] <nommo> S_Mark: Yes - that's the one... maybe you've got a big table though :)
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[12:53] <S_Mark> its 20", haha yeah maybe perspective
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[12:54] <Ijon_Tichi> hay
[12:54] <nommo> S_Mark: I'm planning to have a fixed base - either in the loft or mounted on chimney stack... any tips for decent-but-cheap antenna appreciated
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[12:55] <PE5ED> oh, how I love justin bieber !
[12:55] <S_Mark> ah ok! For a fixed base one maybe you could get something a bit more substantial - but like you said costs could be prohibitive.
[12:56] <PE5ED> sjips, ewindow !
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[12:56] <griffonbot> @eddolife: RT @AnthonyStirk: @Raspberry_Pi @daveake Say cheese :) #ukhas http://t.co/SOge3oIzbZ [http://twitter.com/eddolife/status/323419517319528448]
[12:56] <Ijon_Tichi> I just noticed about the recent launch and want to ask: what is going on with M0UPU-11? it shows a time that is in the future in the tracking system and it just hangs there like pinned on at the about 30Km
[12:57] <ON5RZ> fsphil where can I see these packets
[12:57] <fsphil> ON5RZ: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:58] <fsphil> if you mean the stats, http://ssdv.habhub.org/stats.php
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[12:58] <ON5RZ> thx - was already looking for some 10 mins .. ;-)
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[12:59] <__mike__> Ijon_Tichi: Aliens captured it an transported it into the future? ;-)
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[13:00] <ON5RZ> this project is nice for omni 70 sat-antenna http://n2ulf.com/2009/12/08/building-a-70cm-eggbeater-ii/
[13:02] <Maxell> ON5RZ: "The results were pretty disappointing. Even during the peak of the passes (sometimes as high as 65°) I couldnt copy the downlink. I could tell there was something there, but it wasnt intelligible."
[13:02] <ON5RZ> with the eggbeater ?
[13:02] <Maxell> Right at the bottom of the blogpost.
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[13:02] <nommo> "preamp is a necessity"
[13:03] <Maxell> "This leads me to believe that a preamp is a necessity. Fortunately, I was planning to build one anyway! Once that project is complete, Ill update my results."
[13:03] <ON5RZ> ah ok - probably he did something wrong :-) and idd simple preamp at the base is a big +
[13:03] <Maxell> Those are amateur statallitles?
[13:03] <Maxell> satellites
[13:03] <eroomde> amateur whats?
[13:03] <Maxell> lol
[13:04] <ON5RZ> just in the 70cm range idd
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[13:05] <ON5RZ> AVA is just 10km east of OE6XTR ..
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[13:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> woot!
[13:06] <PD3EM> ON5RZ: unfortunately its not an echoling gateway...
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[13:07] <g4sgx-iain> This has really inspired me to build a flight computer. Was thinking of using a PIC as I have worked with them a lot previously. Am I making life difficult for myself by not using an arduino based system you think?
[13:07] <ON5RZ> PD3EM nope but there are three other calls on QRZ - they probably live nearby
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[13:07] <Ijon_Tichi> __mike__: that explain the strange SSDV pic from 20:43 yesterday xD
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[13:09] <craag> g4sgx-iain: Some people do use PICs, but I would highly suggest an arduino if you're willing to try it.
[13:10] <__mike__> :-)
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[13:11] Action: cardre is playing catchup
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[13:11] <cardre> So am I right in assuming PIE ran out of battery and therefore now considered 'lost'
[13:11] <craag> cardre: yep
[13:12] <eroomde> g4sgx-iain: use a pic if you know how to use them
[13:12] <cardre> such a shame, oh well. All part of the game...
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[13:12] <eroomde> we suggest arduinos to people who don;t really know electronics yet. as we can help more
[13:13] <eroomde> but if you know what you're doing already then there's barely anything in it
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[13:13] <eroomde> it's all pretty trivial stuff - uart comms with gps, 50hx pulsing a pin for rtty
[13:13] <Wolfy-K4GHL> cardre PIE went to transmitting a steady carrier at 0341Z and hasnt updated since
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[13:15] <cardre> I hope if PIE is found someone will appreciate what it is and notify someone...
[13:15] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah me too...
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[13:15] <Ijon_Tichi> yep i hope for you guys too
[13:15] <daveake> Well I never expected to get PIE back, but yes that would be awesome
[13:15] <Wolfy-K4GHL> it was headed for Lake Geneva at last plot ... I think it got lonely and headed back for home! hehe
[13:16] <Ijon_Tichi> by the way: what is the aproximately price of souch baloon inclusive the gas fill? (I mean just the baloon itself without the actual payload)
[13:17] <g4sgx-iain> @eroomde: I still got a promate programmer somewhere, used to interface PICS with radio modems via rs232 etc by Uart so got a head start. Found one with 4 Uarts. Hmmm
[13:17] <eroomde> grand. if this stuff is not new to you then you'll be fine
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[13:17] <craag> Ijon_Tichi: http://randomsolutions.co.uk/Random_Aerospace/Balloons.html
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[13:18] <Wolfy-K4GHL> daveake was PIE yours?
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[13:18] <eroomde> Ijon_Tichi: about 100 euros for the balloon
[13:18] <Lunar_Lander> daveake ROCKS
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[13:18] <eroomde> the fill depends on the gas. hydrogen is now much cheaper than helium
[13:18] <gonzo_> bonzo6: we have lock and ballkoons are filled. will head out to the launch field
[13:19] <daveake> Wolfy Yes that's mine
[13:19] <craag> gonzo_: :)
[13:19] <Upu> done a fligth doc gonzo_ ?
[13:19] <craag> Where are you launching from?
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[13:19] <Wolfy-K4GHL> did it have any other transmitters onboard or just the one?
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[13:19] <gonzo_> http://goo.gl/maps/eCNel
[13:19] <daveake> Good luck gonzo_ :)
[13:19] <gonzo_> that field
[13:19] <gonzo_> ta dave.
[13:19] <cardre> daveake what markings/messages are on PIE should a person stumble across it? Do you have a photo of it at launch?
[13:20] <craag> gonzo_: Great, I'll start up the receiver, good luck!
[13:20] <Ijon_Tichi> ah thanks :)
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[13:20] <gonzo_> filled for 3-4g free lift. so poss float? bayload is ferkin heavy at 98gm thouggh
[13:20] <daveake> It has my email addy and a request to contact me so it can go home :)
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[13:20] <daveake> 98gm? I've done latex flights with smaller payloads :p
[13:21] <Ian_> Did they use Solar Power to Trickle Charge the Batteries during Flight ? - I have designed and constructed a Control Board now under test, after the last 24Hrs it is still supplying power. The Batteries cannot discharge through the Solar Panels during the night or low light flights. The controller Board stops this from happening.
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[13:21] <NealG> cadre: Pics of PIE are on http://www.daveakerman.com/ - it looked good
[13:21] <Wolfy-K4GHL> daveake if you would, my email is K4GHL1@gmail.com .. if you hear from it again would you mind please emailing me .. i sure would be curious to know if its ever found
[13:21] <craag> Ian_: Solar power has been used in the past. But rechargeable batteries don't work very well at low temperatures.
[13:21] <costyn-mob> afternoon all. what happened to AVA?
[13:22] <Upu> hey costyn
[13:22] <Wolfy-K4GHL> its being recovered
[13:22] <Upu> AVA is a mile up a mountain
[13:22] <Upu> still TXing
[13:22] <Upu> still being RXd
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[13:22] <Upu> and currently Radim is en route
[13:22] <costyn-mob> Upu, ah interesting :-)
[13:23] <daveake> Pic of the payload http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/8647095188/in/set-72157633235481283
[13:23] <geneva> craag, and with supercaps?
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[13:23] <costyn-mob> does it look accessible on the mountain?
[13:23] <Upu> yes actually
[13:23] <Upu> roads very close
[13:24] <Upu> and some tracks with 10 meters
[13:24] <craag> geneva: Some people have used supercaps, I think they worked quite well.
[13:24] <costyn-mob> cool
[13:24] <Upu> though
[13:24] <Upu> http://binged.it/14mV1OY
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[13:24] <Morseman> Launching today gonzo_ ?
[13:24] <Upu> trees
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[13:24] <Ian_> Good question Craag, however if insulated would that be better ?
[13:24] <ON5RZ> OM1AMJ is out of APRS coverage
[13:25] <costyn-mob> how long a drive for Radim?
[13:25] <craag> Ian_: Maybe, but even with insulation it's going to eventually cool down with -50 atmosphere :)
[13:25] <Morseman> What frequency gonzo_ ?
[13:26] <gonzo_> 434.070 at mo
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[13:26] <Ian_> The Controller Board does generate a small percentage og heat - perhaps that could be used in minimising the extream low temprature ?
[13:26] <Morseman> OK - Ta
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[13:28] <craag> Ian_: But then you're spending power budget on heating, when you could just use less non-rechargeable batteries. For <24 hours flight it's not really worth it, doesn't stop people experimenting though :)
[13:30] <fernandoxd99> Is Pie alive?
[13:30] <Upu> Pie is dead sadly
[13:30] <Upu> batteries have expired
[13:30] <fernandoxd99> :(
[13:31] <gonzo_> forgot the payload doc!
[13:31] <gonzo_> can someone approve 814cd17837fbf994eb034ffc47456b2c please
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[13:31] <ON5RZ> AVA is moving again !
[13:31] <Wolfy-K4GHL> daveake very interesting site of yours!!!
[13:31] <danielsaul> gonzo_: One sec
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[13:32] <Ian_> Ok Craag - I will look further into this low temp problem further, hopefully with some good answeres, thanks for the input 73, for now
[13:32] <ON5RZ> IT is going up flying again !
[13:32] <danielsaul> gonzo_: approved
[13:32] <fernandoxd99> What happend to AVA?
[13:33] <Wolfy-K4GHL> she came down and apparently has been recovered
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[13:34] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrew Myatt "[UKHAS] Fwd: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
[13:34] <daveake> That looks like GPS noise to me
[13:35] <craag> Ian_: Heating the batteries before charging them at sunrise is the solution I've discussed with people. But you really need a flight of 2 days+ to make it worth it :) 73s
[13:35] <Upu> AVA is possibly being recovered
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[13:35] <G0DJA> gonzo_ what baud rate, shift and bit settings for FLDigi please
[13:35] <ON5RZ> idd going down again - but bigger than before
[13:35] <Upu> normally when the tracker gets below 1000m alt it switches to pedestrian mode to get a more accurate reading and minimise the GPS noise
[13:35] <daveake> 1000m you say ....
[13:35] <Upu> however when I programmed that I never took into account landing a mile up a hill
[13:35] <daveake> ... didn't think that one through :)
[13:35] <daveake> lol
[13:36] <ON5RZ> recoveryteam isn't there yet ..
[13:36] <Wolfy-K4GHL> hehehe
[13:36] <craag> G0DJA: It's BONZO6 in the autoconfigure
[13:36] <G0DJA> Thanks craag
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[13:36] <PD3EM> Radim and Juraj arwe getting close to AVA
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[13:37] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Dave does that have an Ardunio onboard?
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[13:38] <daveake> yes
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[13:38] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
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[13:40] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I am talking with VERY little experience with them if any at all, but isnt there a kit for those that does distance measuring? I have seen the kits in the store .. was wondering if it could be incorporated to echo off the ground and if a sig is received at a certain distance to ground that it could be set to put it into ped mode?
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[13:41] <Darkside> Wolfy-K4GHL: not much point
[13:41] <Wolfy-K4GHL> which would compensate for higher than the 1km height?
[13:41] <Darkside> its only rare cases when this happens
[13:41] <Darkside> and would cost too much money
[13:41] <daveake> and weight
[13:41] <Darkside> another way would be to just switch it into pedestrian mode if ite been stationaty for a while
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[13:41] <daveake> yep
[13:41] <Darkside> far simpler
[13:42] <Wolfy-K4GHL> swinging in a tree?
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[13:42] <Darkside> depends on your definition of stationary
[13:42] <Darkside> you'd allow for gps noise
[13:43] <Wolfy-K4GHL> does it have a parachute that is deployed or ? how is it returned to earth?
[13:43] <Darkside> eh?
[13:43] <Darkside> the balloom bursts
[13:44] <Darkside> balloon
[13:44] <Darkside> the parachute is just sitting in the line, already unfurled
[13:44] <Darkside> it does nothign on the way up
[13:44] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ahhh
[13:44] <g4sgx-iain> What is pedestrian mode? not GPS pedestrian mode i take it.
[13:44] <Darkside> willdude123: http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/25.html
[13:44] <Darkside> Wolfy-K4GHL:
[13:45] <eroomde> g4sgx-iain: indeed, it's a gps setting
[13:45] <eroomde> it means the gps can make ceertain assumptions about your dynamics, to help improve its position estimate
[13:45] <eroomde> eg you will be below a certainly altitude, speed, and acceleration
[13:46] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ahhhh neat pic thanks
[13:46] <eroomde> the positions the gps units output are not the exact ones calculated from the gps signals, because there is a moderate amount of random error on those. instead it collects a few of them and uses then in conjunction with an internal dynamics model to answer the question 'what is my most likely position given these noisy gps signals and what i know about how i can move'
[13:47] <g4sgx-iain> OK, I thought that was just for journey times. Tnx
[13:47] <Wolfy-K4GHL> too bad you couldnt put the balloon under the chute so the chute basically holds the balloon...
[13:47] <daveake> balloon is waaaay too big
[13:48] Nick change: csaway -> chrisstubbs
[13:49] <Ian_> Nice Job Darkside
[13:49] <Darkside> >_>
[13:49] <Ian_> The Pic looks good
[13:49] <Darkside> oh
[13:49] <Darkside> thanks
[13:50] <Ian_> Have you used a cheaper Parachute /
[13:50] <Darkside> we generally don't lose them
[13:50] <Darkside> unlike these UK groups
[13:50] <Darkside> :P
[13:50] <Wolfy-K4GHL> who do yall have to coordinate with as far as aerospace folks prior to launch?
[13:50] <Darkside> i think we've lost 3 out of the 30 launches we're doen in australia
[13:51] <Darkside> in australia, we coordinate with CASA - the Civil Aviation Safety Authority
[13:51] <Darkside> lots of legalese to go through just go get approved to launch in teh first place
[13:51] <Darkside> and we have to issue a NOTAM for each launch of course
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[13:52] <fernandoxd99> ._. CASA is spanish for HOUSE
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[13:52] <Darkside> heh
[13:52] <Darkside> anyway, bedtime for me
[13:52] <Ian_> I have looked at some cheaper Parachutes due to to the Coast Line around the UK - Only a Small Island ?
[13:53] <Wolfy-K4GHL> I may be wrong, but I think I remember in the US it has to have a remote "bring it down now" system in case of interference ... I may have made the mistake of informing a friend of mine about these cause last night he was talking about wanting to do this.. I fear I may have created a monster...
[13:53] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Thanks Darkside... yall have a great evening
[13:53] <kiilo> the PIE is run out of power but position is still send?
[13:54] <kiilo> how come?
[13:54] <Wolfy-K4GHL> PIE has been silent since 0341 Z when it started sending a solid carrier
[13:54] <Wolfy-K4GHL> almost 11 hours now
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[13:55] <kiilo> so what I see on the map is a simulation? ;-)
[13:55] <Wolfy-K4GHL> last known position
[13:55] <kiilo> or real data
[13:55] <qyx_> hi all
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[13:55] <qyx_> is anyone going to grab AVA?
[13:55] <Manati> hi
[13:55] <qyx_> i am looking on mat right now
[13:55] <qyx_> it seems to have already landed
[13:55] <Wolfy-K4GHL> they said the recovery team is on the way for AVA
[13:55] <kiilo> meeh woud be nice to see how fae it goes ...
[13:56] <kiilo> far
[13:56] <qyx_> because it is 150km from here
[13:56] <Wolfy-K4GHL> should be at it or fairly close .. its on a mountain side
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[13:56] <qyx_> Wolfy-K4GHL: oh, so they are on the way
[13:56] <Wolfy-K4GHL> aye its whats been said here
[13:56] <qyx_> ok, thanks for the info
[13:57] <Manati> <Lunar_Lander> hi
[13:57] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[13:58] <Manati> <Lunar_Lander> so we have to talk strictly in english?
[13:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that's preferred here
[13:58] <gonzo_p> is bonzo6 on the map with a updated pos?
[13:59] <Upu> OM1AMJ on spacenear.us isn't a balloon its Radin
[13:59] <Upu> Radim
[13:59] <craag_web> gonzo_p: Yep, at the park
[13:59] <Upu> Bonzo on map
[13:59] <Upu> and updating
[13:59] <PD3EM> they're close! Going further by foot
[13:59] <gonzo_p> ta, can't getthe browser running here
[13:59] <gonzo_p> ok will release
[13:59] <craag_web> :D
[14:00] <qyx_> PD3EM: AVA?
[14:00] <cr0n> man this is tough to follow for someone who knows nothing other than "theres a balloon in the sky being tracked" :p
[14:00] <Upu> yep qyx_
[14:00] <Upu> yeah its a little busy on the map sorry
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[14:00] <Upu> quick debrief : PIE is missing batteries dead presumed lost
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[14:01] <Upu> AVA has landed in Austria and is hopefully being recovered by OM1AMJ
[14:01] <cr0n> was PIE the only one uploading photos to http://ssdv.habhub.org/ ?
[14:01] <gonzo_p> ok, should pass to the west of the airfield
[14:01] <Upu> BONZO6 is just launching from the UK
[14:01] <gonzo_p> fingers crossed
[14:01] <Upu> PIE was the one uploading yes
[14:01] <Upu> in fact last image was the sun coming over the horizon
[14:01] <Wolfy-K4GHL> whats the payload on BONZO6 ? anything interesting?
[14:02] <cr0n> Upu: awesome, thanks for that :)
[14:03] <cr0n> Upu: what do these "receivers" look like, are they all various types ? huge outside antennas? like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Ham_Radio_Antenna.JPG ?
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[14:03] <Upu> well
[14:03] <Upu> some do :)
[14:03] <ON5RZ> ON1AMJ has the icon of PIE on spacenear ..
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[14:04] <Upu> Hello Radim ?
[14:04] <Wolfy-K4GHL> cr0n http://pipe2.darklomax.org/pics/2012-10-07_Horus_29/Pages/25.html
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[14:04] <Upu> most just have Watson W50 or Diamond X50's
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[14:04] <g4sgx-iain> .Im amazed its still being received with 10mW at ground level.
[14:04] <cr0n> Wolfy-K4GHL: so awesome!
[14:04] <ON5RZ> cr0n http://www.pe1rqm.nl/images/forum/antennebouw/100_0411_small.jpg
[14:04] <Upu> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63720513/Images/HAM/Rotator/IMG_0796.JPG
[14:05] <Upu> thats mine with a Watson at the top
[14:05] <mfa298> cr0n: that's what some of us wish we had
[14:05] <daveake> "ground level" is a variable :)
[14:05] <junderwood> g4sgx-iain, it's probably still line of sight
[14:05] <chrisstubbs> cr0n this is my set up: http://flic.kr/p/dREGAM but i have difficulty when payloads start getting as far as france
[14:05] <Upu> https://plus.google.com/photos/118244444241111963790/albums/5866449031725163409?banner=pwa some pictures from yesteday, Dave has some as well
[14:05] <daveake> Just uploading some more now
[14:06] <cr0n> can't believe the distance these signals are received from!
[14:06] <junderwood> Bonzo is on the way up
[14:06] <Upu> Yeah Bonzo is in the air
[14:06] <mfa298> cr0n: in reality this is what I use https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijcx5khbifcfofb/2013-04-06%2014.19.09.jpg
[14:06] <junderwood> :( and going down again
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[14:07] <Upu> new receiver on AVA
[14:07] <Upu> they must be close
[14:07] <cr0n> mfa298: wow.. looks so simple yet so powerful?
[14:07] <Upu> uh its doing what mine did yesterday
[14:07] <Upu> up damn you
[14:07] <cuddykid> awesome setup Upu
[14:08] <junderwood> going for jcoxon's record for the shortest flight ever?
[14:08] <daveake> Upu when you launched did you think it'd ever reach 1500m? :)
[14:08] <Upu> lol no
[14:08] <Upu> technically your fault as you put the gas in
[14:08] <mfa298> I can hear stuff that's line of site
[14:09] <mfa298> should soon be decoding BONZO4 with it
[14:09] <cr0n> mfa298: what exactly is "heard" ?
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[14:09] <daveake> Ah but I inflated it for my payload :p
[14:09] <Upu> I'll let you off though I think we need a lighter filling rig for these flights
[14:09] <OM1ATS> Ok Radim is ready for attack :)
[14:09] <Upu> can you see it OM1ATS ?
[14:09] <daveake> We do and I'll make one
[14:09] <junderwood> Bonzo is now going up nicely
[14:09] <Upu> take many pictures pls :)
[14:10] <g4sgx-iain> So, how long til the first trans-atlantic then guys? :)
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[14:10] <Upu> been done g4sgx-iain
[14:10] <Upu> K6RPT-11
[14:10] <PD3EM> OM1ATS: Do you have contact with him via his HT?
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[14:10] <junderwood> never been done East to West :)
[14:10] <junderwood> (nor likely to be)
[14:10] <mfa298> It might even be BONZO6 I can hear,
[14:11] <OM1ATS> Yes I have contact with Radim via OM0OUB repeater
[14:11] <PD3EM> great!
[14:11] <PD3EM> Still snow there or not?
[14:11] <OM1ATS> Yes still is snow
[14:12] <nommo> My height above sea level is 213m - that'll be a good thing for HAB tracking right?
[14:12] <junderwood> nommo, not if you're in a valley between 300m hills :)
[14:12] <Robint91> what are the specs of BONZO6
[14:12] <nommo> LOL - no - we're at the top of a hill in low lying area (Gloucestershire)
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[14:13] <nommo> I think the average height above sea level round here is pretty low... major towns like Cheltenham, Gloucester, Stroud are all much lower
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[14:14] <mfa298> BONZO is on 434.071 (according to the FDC+), 370 shift,
[14:15] <nommo> I'm still looking at cheap antenna for the loft or roof (loft will be easier)
[14:15] <Upu> nommo you can make a 1/4 wave out of old tv coax
[14:15] <junderwood> OM1AMJ is walking
[14:15] <junderwood> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=16&call=a%2FOM1AMJ&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[14:15] <Upu> willdude123 got a picture of that one I sent you ?
[14:15] <ON5RZ> OM1AMJ seems to be on foot going up the hill
[14:15] <mfa298> nommo: if you want cheap you can make various things cheaply
[14:16] <Upu> OM1AMJ is being imported to spacenear.us
[14:16] <junderwood> Does that hurt?
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[14:16] <nommo> Upu: Ah - there's some old coax up there already
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[14:17] <nommo> mfa298: Yes - money is a bit of an object
[14:17] <Upu> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3380705199_e6f4b71366.jpg
[14:17] <Upu> make that
[14:17] <Upu> the wires are 164mm long
[14:17] <Upu> job done
[14:18] <nommo> Sounds/looks easy and cheap
[14:18] <g4sgx-iain> Cant tear myself away to eat, hardly slept, buying 70cms gear online..what have you done! he he.
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[14:18] <fsphil> haha g4sgx-iain
[14:18] <fsphil> welcome to the 1st spending stage :)
[14:19] <eroomde> tracking - the gateway drug
[14:19] <cr0n> lol
[14:19] <gonzo_p> missed the airfield by more margin than last time!
[14:19] <cr0n> best i not ask where to buy/search more then :p
[14:19] <nommo> g4sgx-iain: Hehe... I kindof know how you feel. My allotment has been neglected... as have my wife and dog.
[14:19] <gonzo_p> still closer than the predict
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[14:20] <Ijon_Tichi> is it arranged with the airfield guys? ^^
[14:20] <fsphil> is that flying gonzo_p? or trailing along the gronud?
[14:20] <fsphil> ground*
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[14:21] <nommo> BTW - I've gotta say that is the best Google Maps mashup I've seen. Really impressive - makes the whole thing very accessible
[14:21] <fsphil> spacenear, and the predictor, are just brilliant
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[14:21] <fsphil> this would be voodoo without them
[14:21] <Upu> well the habhub team are gods umongst men
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[14:21] <Robint91> does someone know to rules to let HAB up in belgium?
[14:21] <Robint91> ON5RZ, ^
[14:22] <raspitv> anyone retrieving AVA?
[14:22] <cr0n> how on earth are the predictions made/calculated? i noticed the predication paths on spacenear earlier
[14:22] <MissDee> fsphil: seconded
[14:22] <Upu> Yep raspitv
[14:22] <MissDee> raspitv: yep, on their way now
[14:22] <raspitv> excellent
[14:22] <mfa298> nommo: What upu linked to is probably the easiest and cheapest. There's rough instructions for building the DIY Dipole I'm using at http://m1ari.co.uk/node/10
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[14:22] <nommo> fsphil: Totally. And it make the cooperative effort even more impressive - makes you want to track
[14:22] <Upu> cr0n it uses NOAA GFS data on globa weither patterns
[14:22] <MissDee> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FOM1AMJ&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[14:22] <MissDee> and also tracked on spacenear
[14:23] <eroomde> charlotte green reads the wikipedia entry on rachmaninoff
[14:23] <eroomde> i hate this
[14:23] <eroomde> society is crumbling
[14:23] <Upu> lol
[14:23] <S_Mark> nommo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lqPHSRWtvmH3bfLb1oQcKNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[14:23] <ON5RZ> nope - PD3EM ?
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[14:24] <S_Mark> This hasn't flown yet - but thats coax like Upu mentioned
[14:24] <PD3EM> ON5RZ: flying a balloon in ON? I don't know...
[14:24] <cr0n> Upu: ah wow, and i noticed earlier... so accurate!
[14:24] <nommo> mfa298: Cheers - I'll check it out
[14:24] <Upu> global weather
[14:24] <Upu> my typing is dire
[14:24] <eroomde> join the club
[14:24] <eroomde> i have said i want to unlearn ; instead of ' (eg don;t vs don't)
[14:24] <eroomde> for about 2 years now
[14:25] <Upu> brain works faster than my fingers
[14:25] <eroomde> and yet I have not
[14:25] <nommo> S_Mark: Is that your payload?
[14:25] <mfa298> nommo: the one pictured and the lengths are for a different band (although it seems to work well for 70cms as well - it's what's out the window at the moment
[14:25] <mfa298> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijcx5khbifcfofb/2013-04-06%2014.19.09.jpg
[14:25] <S_Mark> Yes will be
[14:25] <cuddykid> daveake Upu - is that a 10x10m tarpaulin sheet you used yesterday? Looks nice and big :)
[14:25] <Upu> yeah its mine
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[14:26] <Upu> From B&Q
[14:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Ok heres a question for yall... Should I put a rig in the air from the USA, I would plan to use HF for tracking, but how does that affect it should it do what I want and go transatlantic ? Should it also have a 70cm transmitter onboard as well?
[14:26] <Upu> and the wet didn't leak though it which was a bonus
[14:26] <cuddykid> I'll have a look for one - I'm in need of upgrading from a bed sheet I currently use lol
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[14:26] <junderwood> daveake, you should have Bonzo any time now.
[14:26] <mfa298> eroomde: tracking isn't just the gateway drug, it's also the point you realise you need more monitors.
[14:27] <nommo> mfa298: Cool - I was watching this while eating my lunch :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcO5WAiksNI
[14:27] <eroomde> mfa298: and that
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[14:28] <Morseman> Is BONZO6 away? at 0.9 m/s I'm not sure
[14:29] <Morseman> Ah! 1.3 is a bit better
[14:29] <mfa298> Morseman: it's travelled a long way horizontally
[14:29] <Morseman> LOL
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[14:29] <Upu> As someone said to me yesterday up is up
[14:30] <mfa298> although if it doesn't go up much I could probably see if go overhead as it passes southampton
[14:30] <fsphil> Wolfy-K4GHL: you'd need to make sure whatever country you pass through allows HF from a balloon
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[14:30] <Morseman> It'll need a bit more height before I get a chance to hear it
[14:30] <Ijon_Tichi> hm, i bet that one of the both new ones will pass my QTH exactly at the time i have to sit bored in the school xDD
[14:31] <fsphil> bored in school? bah ;)
[14:31] <Upu> haha check spacenear.us out you can see Radim walking up the path :)))
[14:32] <Upu> 1 mph hard going
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[14:32] <Ijon_Tichi> but I will take my dual band handy, 1/4 stick and the adapter cable for smartphone-aprs with me :P
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[14:34] <JFS1> Is Bonzo6 434.075 ?
[14:34] <Wolfy-K4GHL> fsphil thanks...
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[14:34] <Ijon_Tichi> Upu haha and I thougt it were already up and just starving ^^
[14:34] <MissDee> I love how AVA's predicted landing site keeps changing (dramatically)
[14:35] <mfa298> JFS1: it's been drifting down in frequency
[14:35] <mfa298> try around 434.070
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[14:35] <JFS1> Thanks.
[14:35] <fsphil> that may be the highest landing so far
[14:35] <MissDee> suddenly went from a few 100m from it's real landing point to many miles away in the other direction
[14:35] <on3ptz> Bonzo6 at 1000 meters
[14:35] <mfa298> possibly just under that
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[14:36] <mfa298> now that I've got a decent antenna on the rtl-sdr it actually works pretty well - not quite as sensitive as the FCD+ though
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[14:37] <junderwood> BONZO on 434.068
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[14:38] <Morseman> I guess it's a bit breezy on the south coast?
[14:38] <fsphil> it's really breezy here
[14:38] <gonzo_> we have some launch video
[14:38] <fsphil> very strong gusts
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[14:38] <gonzo_> will post soon
[14:38] <on3ptz> wich program for recieving SSDV immages ?
[14:39] <mfa298> looks like it can't decide which way in frequency to drift now
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[14:39] <fsphil> on3ptz: dl-fldigi
[14:39] <on3ptz> tnx
[14:39] <PD3EM> They're just 800m away from ava
[14:39] <daveake> great can't wait :)
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[14:39] <Wolfy-K4GHL> WOOT PD3EM
[14:39] <Ijon_Tichi> gonzo is there an website/blogpost on which frequencys and modes your payload transmits?
[14:40] <gonzo_> 434.070
[14:40] <gonzo_> 50db 7n1
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[14:41] <Graham_G3VZV> just detecting bonzo in Milton keynes
[14:41] <Ijon_Tichi> ok, thanks :)
[14:41] <on3ptz> do they also use the ssdv channel for transmitting the position ?
[14:41] <Jokull_> Hi there. Interesting view on http://spacenear.us/tracker/.... Was om2amr_chase going to AVA, but then OM1AMJ was some much closer that then went for it?
[14:41] <fsphil> on3ptz: yes
[14:42] <Jokull_> A newbie question/interpretation, I admit :)
[14:42] <PD3EM> Jokull_: they seem to be together ;-)
[14:42] <Graham_G3VZV> bonzo shift is nearer 400 hz
[14:42] <ON5RZ> on3ptz hey bram
[14:42] <on3ptz> last time i used APRS ....
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[14:44] <Jokull_> @PD3EM makes sense... This is my first ever witnessing of a balloon launch... I find the community interest and work on this amazing!
[14:44] <Upu> refresh spacenear.us I've fixed Radims' icon
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[14:45] <on3ptz> best would be 433 mhz / 10mw since transmitting from in the air is illegal in belgium
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[14:45] <PD3EM> LOL Upu !!!!
[14:45] <NealG> upu: LOL
[14:45] <Morseman> Is it a bird? LOL
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[14:46] <Wolfy-K4GHL> ROFL ...
[14:46] <nommo> Upu: I did an actual LOL
[14:46] <Upu> afk
[14:46] <g4sgx-iain> Whats are the ASTRA and ATRA_NOT_FLDIGI receivers?
[14:46] <Wolfy-K4GHL> send it to find PIE next would ya?!?!?!
[14:46] Action: fsphil hums the superman theme
[14:46] <Morseman> Are there many phone boxes in that area?
[14:46] <mfa298> that icon it up there with the icon for PIE on the mobile tracker page
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[14:46] <PD3EM> Jokull_: it is an amazing hobby ;-) Where're you from?
[14:47] <mfa298> g4sgx-iain: I think the ASTRA_NOT_FLDIGI is running a java decoder app
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[14:47] <on3ptz> BONZO6 is so slow, is that a regular baloon ?
[14:48] <fsphil> HAB of steel
[14:48] <g4sgx-iain> Go superman!
[14:48] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:49] <craag> on3ptz: No, it's 2x foil party balloons.
[14:49] <Jokull_> PD3EM: I am in Zurich, Switzerland. I was monitoring PIE5 coming south from Holland in the afternoon, and got more and more excited seeing it coming my way, ultumatelly actually passing less than 15 km away from my place :)
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[14:50] <daveake> nice
[14:50] <number10> on3ptz: its a couple of small 36 inch balloons I think
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[14:51] <Jokull_> Funnily, ma father's hobby was amateur rocket launching in Belgium when I was 10ish, and my recent hobby has been the RaspberryPi.... which got me back here
[14:52] <Robint91> on3ptz, so 433MHz 10mW is max in belgium? Are there any rules on letting up a HAB in ON?
[14:52] <PD3EM> nice Jokull_ !
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> Jokull_, cool!
[14:52] <on3ptz> the rule is that you may not transmit while airborne
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[14:53] <Upu> hey on3ptz thx for confirmation it was disabled in my code however I will post it on here : http://ukhas.org.uk/general:aprs_legislation?s[]=aprs
[14:53] <Upu> can you link me the relevant regulation ?
[14:53] <on3ptz> and a balloon is also a unmanned station, so it needs a special licence
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[14:54] <craag> float for bonzo?
[14:55] <gonzo_> I hope so
[14:55] <craag> as if in, it may have reached it.
[14:55] <mfa298> -0.1 looks like it might have reached it
[14:56] <on3ptz> You can allways bend the rules :) if the ballon is dropping from the air it is not flying :)
[14:56] <Upu> This just in from Radim explaining why its moving all over the place : http://i.imgur.com/uMG0nov.png
[14:56] <on3ptz> so then you can transmit :)
[14:56] <cuddykid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fja3qfm7rwU
[14:57] <Ijon_Tichi> lol, OM1AMJ is still hiking ^^
[14:57] <Upu> Source image if you're not getting it : https://plus.google.com/photos/118244444241111963790/albums/5866449031725163409/5866449172647436210?banner=pwa
[14:57] <Upu> thats what Radim is looking for
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[14:58] <PD3EM> Upu: lol!
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[14:58] <Upu> looks like hard work OM1ATS
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[14:59] <junderwood> about 500m to go (+100m altitude)
[14:59] <OM1ATS> hehe nice icon in tracker
[14:59] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: A busy HAB weekend: OM1AMJ and OM2AMR are recovering AVA in OE and the next balloon is airborn! #UKHAS http://t.co/b8sORUcwhy [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/323450457014030337]
[14:59] <Upu> he deserves it :)
[15:00] <qyx_> omg satellite images here are wery low resolution
[15:01] <fsphil> the signal was wery wery qwuiet
[15:01] <Upu> try Bing maps
[15:01] <number10> look on bing
[15:01] <Upu> much better for that region
[15:01] <daveake> Climb ev'ry mountain
[15:01] <daveake> Decode ev'ry stream
[15:01] <daveake> Follow ev'ry payload
[15:01] <daveake> 'Till you find your dream
[15:02] <Upu> you can just tell how steep that is by his zig zagging
[15:02] <daveake> indeed
[15:02] <Upu> lol Dave
[15:02] <nommo> Is anyone here using a Raspberry Pi for SDR? Like this: http://www.hamradioscience.com/raspberry-pi-as-remote-server-for-rtl2832u-sdr/
[15:02] <__mike__> :-)
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[15:03] <mfa298> nommo: if that's running rtl_tcp on a pi then a few people have tried it
[15:03] <PD3EM> any predictions/expectations on Bonzo?
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[15:03] <mfa298> I think that's what Maxell is doing with the the hackerspace there
[15:03] <PE2BZ> nommo: yes, I am (locally, from my internal network)
[15:04] <mfa298> nommo: it needs a good network connection though - suggestion is wired ethernet not wifi
[15:04] <on3ptz> robint91, if you use 433 mhz / 10 mw then it is ISM band , and then you don't need a licence .... does someone know how much power now is used ?
[15:04] <nommo> PE2BZ: Cool - I am thinking that this would be a good thing to do in my loft
[15:04] <Upu> BONZO in a float
[15:05] <Upu> quite low should last for a while
[15:05] <nommo> mfa298: Thanks - need the USB bandwidth for the Tuner I guess?
[15:05] <PD3EM> then I'll have some time before it will come in range ;-)
[15:05] <Robint91> on3ptz, 10mW
[15:05] <Robint91> on3ptz, which is enough if you use slow data rates
[15:06] <Robint91> but if you want to experiment with some higher rates you need more power
[15:06] <PE2BZ> nommo: I am going to locate one at 26 meter antenna height within a month or two, still thinking about Wifi connection (I have a line of sight to the antenna location at my job) and the best samplerate.
[15:06] <mfa298> nommo: for the 2M samples rate I think it's something like 30mbit/s which can be pushing the limits of wifi
[15:06] <Jokull_> I understood that baloons are located on http://spacenear.us/tracker/ by continuously transmitting their payload GPS'ed coordinates via a 70cm emittor, which is gathered on gound by internet-connected 70cm receiver. But how is OM1AMJ reporting is own location live to spacenear.us? Via a special app on his smartphone?
[15:06] <Upu> Jokull_ he's got an APRS transmitter on him
[15:06] <Upu> and we are importing it from APRS
[15:07] <on3ptz> why not use APRS for the recovery teams ?
[15:07] <Upu> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FOM1AMJ&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[15:07] <daveake> There are also some apps for phone/tablet/PC that will upload your position to spacenear
[15:07] <nommo> PE2BZ: Nice! Have you blogged about your setup?
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[15:07] <raspitv> nommo: that link looks interesting - love the idea of the Pi in a balloon on a string aerial :)
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[15:08] <nommo> mfa298: Ahh actual bandwidth issues, rather than the USB
[15:08] <PD3EM> on3ptz: when I'm using APRS beaconing in my car I'll miss a few characters from the payload reception on 70cm
[15:08] <on3ptz> this was my attemt for getting some space pictures : http://vimeo.com/37648816
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[15:09] <nommo> raspitv: Yes - I am doubly excited about assembling a cheap tracking rig
[15:09] <PE2BZ> nommo: Take a look at www mycallsign dot nl If you contact me by mail for any quesitions I will try to help you out. I can translate parts of my website to english if required.
[15:09] <on3ptz> PD3EM , i know that is why my APRS text is shorter than i can fill in
[15:09] <Laurenceb_> why superman?
[15:09] <ON5RZ> on3ptz idd no license for 433 but also no /am if i'm not mistaken
[15:09] <PE2BZ> nommo: My email adres is my callsign at mycallsign dot nl
[15:10] <nommo> PE2BZ: Thanks very much - I may well be in touch :)
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[15:11] <on3ptz> on5rz , well they use 868 for in air collision warning systems , so i gues there is no problem for 433
[15:11] <ON5RZ> hehe
[15:11] <PD3EM> on3ptz: a APRS beacon is interfearing with the RX on 70cm. Two antenna's on the car just 1.5 m apart.... Tried it ;-)
[15:12] <Jokull_> Upu, Daveake: Thanks. That APRS network seems amazing too!
[15:12] <Upu> thats a radio amateur thing
[15:12] <craag> PD3EM: You need a habamp :)
[15:13] <on3ptz> aprs is nice for recovery , if you have a AVMAP GPS or similar
[15:13] <ON5RZ> on3ptz this one ? http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/fileadmin/mobiledevices/opensensor/literature/NRF905_data_sheet.pdf
[15:14] <on3ptz> i need to go , have to install some antenna's
[15:14] <craag> bonzo appears to have taken the stairs..
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[15:14] <PD3EM> craag: lol.. no, won't work at the same time
[15:15] <Upu> thats what it was designed for PD3EM
[15:15] <on3ptz> hmmm this chip is also used in wireless alarm systems with confirmation camera
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[15:16] <OM1ATS> AVA tracker have 10mW ?
[15:16] <PD3EM> simple RF interferance with TX power so close to RX on other band. Or you need to install decent bandfilters ;-)
[15:17] <Upu> yes OM1ATS
[15:17] <craag> PD3EM: The HABamp has a SAW filter in the input, it was designed to allow APRS tx nex to 70cm rx.
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[15:18] <PD3EM> okay, i missed that part of the design Upu and craag
[15:18] <PD3EM> They must have visual on AVA!!
[15:20] <Wolfy-K4GHL> tell them to be sure to take pics! PD3EM
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[15:20] <PD3EM> I'm not in direct contact with them Wolfy-K4GHL but OM1ATS is
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[15:22] <daveake> fail____
[15:22] <griffonbot> Received email: boyercam "[UKHAS] Re: BONZO6 Launch Announcement 14/04/2013"
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[15:22] <Laurenceb_> fort boyer?
[15:23] <g4mys> anyonee know what the signals are on 434.068 very strong in Southern England My somputers audio n board has blown up thus cant resulve audio
[15:23] <mfa298> g4mys: it's BONZO6
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[15:23] Action: nommo has to tear himself away to go and pick daughter up
[15:23] <mfa298> launched in poole and heading towards reading
[15:23] <eroomde> nommo: she can wait i'm sure
[15:24] <g4mys> OK Many thanks its good and strong wherever it is!
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[15:24] <nommo> eroomde: I am getting grief from my better half
[15:24] <g4mys> would be nice had weve of known!!!!
[15:24] <Laurenceb_> wow that ascent is slowwww
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[15:25] <mfa298> g4mys: there's a mailing list where such launches are advertised
[15:25] <nommo> bbiaw :)
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[15:25] <AndrewS> Hi again. How's the AVA recovery going?
[15:25] <Upu> hard work it seems
[15:25] <mfa298> g4mys: launches are normally announced on http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[15:25] <g4mys> and lads do we know what happend to PIE? Andy
[15:25] <Upu> zoom on on the super man @ www.spacenear.us/tracker
[15:26] <Upu> PIE's batteries died missing in action
[15:26] <PD3EM> from the APRS positions it looks like a recovery now but maybe OM1ATS can confirm?
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> is bonzo a latex balloon?
[15:26] <Wolfy-K4GHL> g4mys PIE went dark at 0341z and transmitted a constant carrier according to F6AIU who was the last to hear her
[15:26] <Upu> foil I suspect
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[15:26] <g4mys> many thanks for the launch info Andy
[15:26] <AndrewS> Oooh, looks like they're really close!
[15:26] <mfa298> Laurenceb_: a pair of foil party balloons
[15:26] <Laurenceb_> ah
[15:27] <OM1ATS> I don`t have contact for this moment.
[15:28] <g4mys> Wolfy shame it was interesting to listen to I heard it well into Germany amazed at how far 30 mW goes!
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[15:28] <PD3EM> AVA is moving with them so a 100% recovery!!!!
[15:28] <Upu> wait PD3EM :)
[15:28] <Upu> when it comes down the mountain
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[15:29] <Upu> 10mW g4mys
[15:29] <Wolfy-K4GHL> i know right... it was headed to lake geneva and should have been like 2 hours from it when it went dark...
[15:29] <mfa298> g4mys: it was probably only 10mW - and you can pretty much get line of sight with it.
[15:29] <AndrewS> I'm guessing that OM1AMJ is a handheld radio and they haven't driven the car all the way up the mountain? ;)
[15:29] <MissDee> PD3EM: woo!
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[15:29] <Wolfy-K4GHL> way to go PD3EM and company
[15:29] <Upu> hang on
[15:29] <Upu> recovery not confirmed yet
[15:29] <PD3EM> thats true Upu
[15:29] <Upu> may be just normal GPS jitter
[15:29] <Upu> though if he can't see it ...
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[15:30] <wilsog1> hi, been watching all day, really excelent work. bing maps has much better satellite picture than google.
[15:30] <junderwood> OM1AMJ Altitude = 1581. AVA altitude = 1600.
[15:30] <Upu> yeah...
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[15:30] <junderwood> It would be a shame if it was in a 19m tree after all that effort
[15:30] <daveake> hah
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[15:30] <PD3EM> Wolfy-K4GHL: I'm not out there with them... I'm at home in my shack ;-)
[15:31] <Upu> oh wait
[15:31] <Upu> 1579 AVA 1580 Radim
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[15:31] <OM1ATS> gps altitude is accuracy
[15:31] <ON5RZ> that's it
[15:31] <daveake> close enough :)
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[15:31] <daveake> Oh must be there now
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[15:32] <OM1ATS> oh is not accuracy..
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[15:32] <Laurenceb_> and its in a tree?
[15:32] <Upu> we wait news...
[15:32] <daveake> Just need a good message from Radim :)
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[15:32] <AndrewS> Exciting... :)
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[15:33] <junderwood> ... or some non-random movement of AVA
[15:33] <daveake> Afternoon Steve looks like Radim is next to AVA now
[15:33] <cuddykid> hi RocketBoy - do you know when you'll be getting more H1000g in stock?
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[15:33] <PD3EM> http://i.imgur.com/3rvCLzi.jpg
[15:33] <daveake> Either a message or seeing the AVA walk back down the hill ...
[15:34] <Laurenceb_> if we see the balloon moving...
[15:34] <RocketBoy> probably a couple of months - don't think they are in production at the mo - on the +ve side the 1200s are back in stock early
[15:35] <RocketBoy> oooo - can't wait
[15:35] <Guest1546> The altitude of AVA is changing. looks good
[15:35] <PD3EM> hope they sent out an APRS text message to confirm the recovery
[15:35] <AndrewS> daveake: Your blog has a description of the PIE hardware - is there a description / photos of the AVA hardware/payload somewhere?
[15:36] <daveake> ping Upu ^^
[15:36] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net
[15:37] <AndrewS> Great ta
[15:37] <g4sgx-iain> Tense..
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[15:38] <OM1ATS> ok i have good info ava is recovered
[15:38] <Upu> YES!
[15:38] <PD3EM> GREAT!!!!
[15:38] <Upu> amazing
[15:38] <g4sgx-iain> YAY
[15:38] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Fantastic!!!!!
[15:38] <Upu> pass my thanks to Radim !
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[15:38] <PD3EM> 2013-04-14 17:37:04 CEST: OM1AMJ>OM6JK: vela snehu-mame balon
[15:38] <eroomde> quicker than fedex and no customs
[15:39] <Upu> lol
[15:39] <Upu> just have to climb a mountain to get it
[15:39] <daveake> WOOHOO
[15:39] <RocketBoy> bing maps has way bertter Imagry of the landing site
[15:39] <PE7ER> Nice!
[15:39] <RocketBoy> look like it landed in the open
[15:39] <Upu> 1 mile up a mountain RocketBoy
[15:40] <GMT> on BONZO6, are the lat/long details correct?, they give odd bearing/distance values for me
[15:40] <g4sgx-iain> Hope Radim took a pic.
[15:40] <Upu> my pedestrian mode didn't kick in as it was over 1000 meters
[15:40] <Upu> sure he will have pics
[15:40] <Graham_G3VZV> bonzo is working for me..heading almost stright towards me
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[15:40] <GMT> what about the distance and bearing values in dl-fldigi?
[15:40] <RocketBoy> upu - yeah - I heard (saw) it off the vieinna gt
[15:41] <Upu> quite awesome
[15:41] <willdude123> Hi Upu.
[15:41] <Upu> hey Will
[15:41] <willdude123> School tomorrow. :C
[15:41] <qyx_> PD3EM: they are from slovakia? vela snehu? :)
[15:42] <Upu> Yes they are from Slovakia driven into Austria to recover
[15:42] <GMT> will: you will have something to tell them tmrw
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[15:42] <OM1ATS> vela snehu is more snow cca 40-50cm
[15:42] <willdude123> GMT: Huh?
[15:42] <Upu> is it snowing OM1ATS ?
[15:42] <qyx_> dont think so
[15:42] <qyx_> it is sunny in bratislava
[15:43] <GMT> will: when they ask what u did at weekend, tell 'em about the balloon and the tracking
[15:43] <willdude123> They won't.
[15:43] <OM1ATS> in bratislava is sunny
[15:43] <PD3EM> qyx_: they-re Slovak hams who drove to Austria to recover!
[15:43] <qyx_> OM1ATS: are you here also?
[15:44] <griffonbot> @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323461794612011010]
[15:45] <daveake> +i
[15:45] <PE7ER> lol
[15:45] <daveake> Upu made the pic not my work :)
[15:45] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/323462010312462336]
[15:45] <jcoxon> bonzo might have sprung a leak
[15:45] <griffonbot> @rafvz: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/323462121922908161]
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[15:46] <craag> jcoxon: looks that way :(
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[15:46] <Graham_G3VZV> GMT - I see what you mean on dl-figi yes bearing and range wrong but the tracker is shwoing the correct posit
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[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[15:46] <Upu> blimey BONZO went along way
[15:46] <AndrewS> LOL at the pic
[15:46] <Lunar_Lander> the country is called AUSTRIA
[15:46] <jcoxon> craag, 2 balloons?
[15:46] <OM1ATS> tracker were on the ground, not in tree
[15:47] <GMT> okay, I feel happier now! Maybe I will go look for BONZO as it seems to be coming down.
[15:47] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: yes. yes it is
[15:47] <craag> jcoxon: Yeah, gonzo_ 's
[15:47] <Upu> OM1ATS tell Radim to come down from the hill safely now please :)
[15:47] <jcoxon> more then 1 balloon is tricky
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> COOL WELL DONE Upu YOU MADE IT
[15:47] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:47] <fsphil> I didn't expect it to be on the ground
[15:47] <craag> jcoxon: I think he was trying the pipe-between-them again
[15:47] <Upu> Cheers Lunar but there are alot of contributions in there from alot of people here
[15:48] <PE7ER> better start ordering that beer :P
[15:48] <Upu> indeed how much does a truck of beer cost these days
[15:48] <OM1ATS> ok i tell him
[15:48] <GMT> BONZO signal now VERY LOUD
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[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, yea
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[15:49] <OM1ATS> only 1000 beers :)
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:49] <craag> bonzo gone from solid decode to no trace in about 20 seconds here.
[15:49] <craag> (soton)
[15:49] <daveake> Yes Lunar_Landr sometimes I miss out leters
[15:49] <junderwood> That's about right.
[15:49] <junderwood> horizon problems
[15:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[15:49] <daveake> X
[15:49] <Upu> OM1ATS are you down in the valley ?
[15:50] <jcoxon> hopefully it'll clear high wycombe
[15:50] <junderwood> big hills near there
[15:50] <craag> junderwood: To be honest, I was impressed how far I got it, I usually only manage inside the green circle.
[15:50] <fsphil> a badly named town
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[15:51] <junderwood> going up again
[15:51] <jcoxon> haha
[15:51] <jcoxon> go Bonzo!
[15:51] <craag> junderwood: Just re-appeared on the waterfall :P
[15:51] <junderwood> :)
[15:51] <Upu> pull up pull up
[15:51] <Upu> lol
[15:51] <Upu> thermal ?
[15:52] <junderwood> rain?
[15:52] <jcoxon> urban heat island
[15:52] <fsphil> likel
[15:52] <fsphil> +y
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[15:52] <Upu> right back soon
[15:52] <willdude123> Upu, I've been playing FSX most of today and the pull up pull up guy deserves a kick.
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[15:52] <AndrewS> daveake: Would adding solar panels to the next Pi-balloon (if there is one) help with longer battery life, or would they be too heavy?
[15:53] <willdude123> Trying low flying stunts in an airbus a380 is never a good idea.
[15:53] <fsphil> you'd need fairly good panels to power a Pi and camera
[15:53] <JB2Cool> batteries may last longer but whole payload would weight more
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[15:54] <schmidp> has AVA already been recovered?
[15:54] <qyx_> yep
[15:54] <craag> schmidp: Yep!
[15:54] <PD3EM> You're leaving to order a truckload of beer Upu ?
[15:54] <fsphil> willdude123: I was in an a380 that had to do a really tight turn around a thunderstorm. was good fun :)
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[15:55] <mfa298> willdude123: you should have been tracking balloons, BONZO probably went right over you so you should have been able to recieve it
[15:55] <JB2Cool> AVA still broadcasting the same position. There is someone on-site but looks like AVA may be stuck in a tree
[15:55] <fsphil> JB2Cool: it's been recovered, was on the ground
[15:55] <K9JKM> Expensive too ... solar panels on a cubesat are around $6000 US for one side of the cube
[15:55] <Wolfy-K4GHL> This may sound like a stupid question, but has anyone launched two or more balloons on a single payload ? and is there any disadvantage to doing that?
[15:55] <JB2Cool> ok, cool. Good job
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[15:56] <fsphil> Wolfy-K4GHL: when one bursts, the other won't be enough to keep it up- slow ascent
[15:56] <AndrewS> K9JKM: gulp
[15:56] <fsphil> descent even
[15:56] <fsphil> slow descents are risky and bad
[15:56] <fsphil> with a fully inflated balloon
[15:56] <fsphil> which might have H2 in it :)
[15:56] <GMT> DaveAke: if I go look for BONZO, can I call u for directions when I get close?
[15:56] <kokey> testing123
[15:56] <gonzo_> back with you all.
[15:56] <mfa298> Wolfy-K4GHL: it's done with small foil party balloons sometimes (like the current BONZO flight)
[15:56] <schmidp> to bad I just found out about this 10 minutes ago. it landed about and hour of driving from my home.
[15:56] <gonzo_> H2 !? I could not comment
[15:56] <MissDee> AndrewS: re solar panels, also note that it was dark for half its flight
[15:56] <willdude123> mfa298: Never mind, is it still flying?
[15:56] <Wolfy-K4GHL> kokey it works
[15:57] <griffonbot> @daveake: Full set of our photos from PIE5/AVA/uXABEN Launch http://t.co/vnWbwaCGvi #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323464989769867266]
[15:57] <mfa298> willdude123: it looks to still be flying
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[15:57] <oe6rke> wolfi: i remember such setup two years ago . ended in a particulary burst and loss of payload...:(
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[15:57] <willdude123> mfa298: Damnit.
[15:57] <willdude123> mfa298: I think it's landed.
[15:58] <mfa298> although i think it's now north of you - still flying but coming down slowly
[15:58] <kokey> Wolfy-K4GHL: thanks :)
[15:58] <willdude123> But that did go right over me.
[15:58] <Graham_G3VZV> re solar cells - 25%+ efficient cheap ones for a balloon flight are available and have almost zero mass but are very fragile unless on a backing plate..then they get heavy
[15:58] <CHRISG7OGX> lost Bonzo6 on the south coast
[15:59] <jcoxon> there is also a argument about temperatures of the solar cells
[15:59] <willdude123> mfa298: 500m or so now, but never mind.
[15:59] <GMT> how much of a backing-plate - sticky-back plastic any good?
[15:59] <jcoxon> there have been flights with cells that have melted
[15:59] <Wolfy-K4GHL> got a friend and fellow ham on the phone and am sending him the photo links and all and we are discussing using two weather balloons in hopes of getting a payload over the big pond into Europe :)
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[15:59] <junderwood> Re: multiple balloons:
[15:59] <junderwood> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cornu.eu.org/images/lacher10_1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cornu.eu.org/news/audouin-dollfus-s-est-envole-pour-la-derniere-fois&h=498&w=326&sz=21&tbnid=bXav8I8jMhN-tM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=60&zoom=1&usg=__zGRCGoRmfLoGKuhh5wjlyyvCs3M=&docid=gWVCXiUA-4wctM&sa=X&ei=R9JqUY-CPZCr0AWExoD4Ag&ved=0CFEQ9QEwBA&dur=382
[15:59] <jcoxon> Wolfy-K4GHL, i'd avoid 2 balloons
[15:59] <mfa298> willdude123: this one never was a high flight - max was around 2km.
[15:59] <AndrewS> Right, so extra batteries is probably a better solution to longer transmit-time than adding solar panels?
[15:59] <GMT> still an S9+ signal from BONZO
[16:00] <gonzo_> yep, gently coming down.
[16:00] <Graham_G3VZV> Proper ones wouldnt have melted:)
[16:00] <gonzo_> It did far better than my previous foils
[16:00] <jcoxon> gonzo_, you need to go for 1 balloon next time...
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[16:00] <GMT> gonzo, if you PM me your phone number I will go look for it
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[16:01] <gonzo_> ah, great. Will do
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[16:01] <Graham_G3VZV> can we have a prediction for BONZO's landing?
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[16:01] <junderwood> fading
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[16:02] <daveake> GMT Sure
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[16:03] <gonzo_> jcoxon, that was two balloons with a linking tube.
[16:03] <jcoxon> gonzo_, oh right, so not a good idea...
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[16:03] <jcoxon> i wonder if the balloons collapse on themselves
[16:03] <jcoxon> or trap gas
[16:03] <Graham_G3VZV> going up
[16:04] <gonzo_> the prob was, they were infalated quite heavilly, as the payload ended up being close on 100gm
[16:04] <AndrewS> Looks like Superman's heading back down the mountain - has AVA been switched off?
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[16:04] <griffonbot> @OK1RIG: RT @daveake: Full set of our photos from PIE5/AVA/uXABEN Launch http://t.co/vnWbwaCGvi #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/OK1RIG/status/323466807019196417]
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[16:05] <SpooHaHa> Is it me, or does tracking on PIE seem to have stopped a bit ago? Outside range of the towers, perhaps?
[16:05] <fsphil> SpooHaHa: it failed just before sunrise
[16:05] <fsphil> either because of batteries or the cold
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[16:06] <Defhammer> I wonder how long it will be before someone finds it
[16:06] Action: mfa298 is starting to think we need a simple payload status page
[16:06] <craag> bonzo does not want to land
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[16:06] <fsphil> mfa298: or a balloon icon to indicate no new data for >30 min
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[16:07] <x-f> we need a simple "last transmitted XX:XX ago" field on spacenear.us
[16:07] <fsphil> Time: does that
[16:07] <fsphil> below each payload name
[16:07] <x-f> last received
[16:07] <x-f> fsphil, yes, but different timezones etc.
[16:07] <SpooHaHa> Right, I was trying to do the time math from here in the states and apparently failed at GST to GMT
[16:07] <gonzo_> jcoxon, when I was inflating them, I left an oppen straw in each on the necks, and connected the fill tube as req. there seemes to be none coming out, as it was all gathering at the top. So I assume if a split was low down, they could still keep some gas above the split?
[16:08] <mfa298> someitnh that could also include a short statement would be useful as well (like: failed due to battery/cold)
[16:08] <lbm> what is the difference between the green and blue circles on the spacenear.us tracker?
[16:08] <fsphil> all times on the tracker are UTC
[16:08] <SpooHaHa> *CST
[16:08] <Wolfy-K4GHL> x-f there is one
[16:08] <fsphil> lbm: inside the green circle, the payload is >5 degrees from the horizon
[16:08] <fsphil> the blue circle is >0 degrees
[16:08] <fsphil> so this is the payloads own horizon
[16:09] <Wolfy-K4GHL> if you are running windows 7 you can add an additional time clock to your regular clock so when you mouse over it it will show UTC as well as local time
[16:09] <bishop123> upu, dave: just quick question - where do you get these nice polystyrene balls from?
[16:09] <griffonbot> @RasPiTV: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/RasPiTV/status/323468113486163968]
[16:09] <x-f> fsphil, i know, but i'm in GMT+3, so i have to check the time on the page, calculate it just to know is the payload still alive
[16:10] <Graham_G3VZV> still detecting bonzo
[16:10] <SpooHaHa> ah, good call. I also just noticed the other trackers had much more recent timestamps. That should have been a clue :P
[16:10] <Graham_G3VZV> 228 metres
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[16:10] <craag> Ground elevation at bonzo is 190m
[16:10] <james_in_berks_> Looks like Darvils wood then :(
[16:11] <x-f> Wolfy-K4GHL, thanks, but i'm on OSX, besides that would be an individual fix, not for every bypasser, as we get a lot of newsbies here during big launches :)
[16:11] <craag> yep :/
[16:11] <junderwood> finally lost it
[16:11] <raspitv> wow that griffonbot's fast
[16:11] <Graham_G3VZV> gone now
[16:11] <AndrewS> I think the clue is in the "bot" ;)
[16:11] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah would be nice if UTC was posted on the tracker page
[16:11] <fsphil> it is
[16:12] <fsphil> oh you mean current UTC?
[16:12] <Wolfy-K4GHL> yeah
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[16:12] <junderwood> Last partial was #127: +5144.10593,-00040.53196
[16:12] <fsphil> not a bad idea
[16:12] <craag> GMT: You'll need a receiver btw.
[16:12] <Graham_G3VZV> final validish looking data I got was +5144.10593 -00040.5x196 at 225 metres
[16:12] <fsphil> or at least, after the timestamp, say something like: (x minutes ago)
[16:12] <Wolfy-K4GHL> that way no matter if you are in europe or the usa or where ever there would be no guessing
[16:12] <x-f> fsphil, what i said :)
[16:12] <Jokull_> BONZO's going to Papworth :)
[16:13] <x-f> ooh, AVA recovered! great news, pretty illustration and congrats to hot-blooded Slovaks! :)
[16:13] <fsphil> x-f: ah, so you did!
[16:13] <fsphil> I can't read
[16:13] <mfa298> although before we get more on the tracker page it would be useful to be able to hide some of whats there. On smaller screens it can be a challenge to see the balloons at times
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[16:13] <gonzo_> the ground is at 180M asl at the current bonzo location. so it;'s not gi9t far to go
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[16:14] <x-f> payload and chase car boxes should be collapsible, imho
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[16:14] <SpooHaHa> So is MouPu still going? The timestamps look current but i can't see the previosu path. I thought the AVA line might have been hiding it but it seems not.
[16:14] <craag> gonzo_: Yep, we reckon darvi's wood or thereabouts
[16:14] <craag> Hard to tell exactly as the descent was by no means constant :P
[16:14] <Wolfy-K4GHL> would be nice to minimize the track boxes on the left as well as have a note about <recovered at XX:XX UTC> or similar
[16:14] <fsphil> SpooHaHa: that one's a bit weird, parts of the path are in different callsigns
[16:15] <Wolfy-K4GHL> on the minimized bar
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[16:15] <Wolfy-K4GHL> mopu has been MIA for 19 hours
[16:15] <gonzo_> yep, craag, or brays wood. As it still had some altitude to play with.
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[16:16] <fsphil> AVA/M0UPU-11 was the one just recovered in Austra
[16:16] <fsphil> they's the same payload, just different callsigns
[16:16] <gonzo_> thanks to all trackers. good flight
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[16:16] <fsphil> 're
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[16:16] <Wolfy-K4GHL> they were one in the same?
[16:17] <fsphil> yep
[16:17] <fsphil> it was transmitting rtty and aprs, different callsign on each
[16:17] <Wolfy-K4GHL> so it had two transmitters on board?
[16:17] <fsphil> yes
[16:17] <fsphil> thankfully
[16:17] <lbm> fsphil: thanks, most of the uk balloons sent up yesterday just touched the area where i'm stationed (midwest of denmark). how often is it seen hams receiving this far away?
[16:17] <kokey> ok, if I downloaded dl-fldigi 3.1 about 2 months ago, should I download anything newer?
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[16:18] <craag> gonzo_: Still, the recovery will be a doddle by todays standards :)
[16:18] <daveake> hah
[16:18] <x-f> Denmark, the land where the legendary OZ1SKY comes from :)
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[16:18] <craag> ello g8gtz
[16:18] <fsphil> lbm: Brian tracks a fair few of our flights from denmark
[16:19] <g8gtz> ello - just realised maybe stuff happening ;-(
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[16:19] <jcoxon> lbm, quite a few flights go towards denmark
[16:19] <jcoxon> especially the low altitude 'pico' flights
[16:19] <craag> g8gtz: Yeah, happened. Just a little pico flight up from Poole.
[16:19] <jcoxon> and we are always keen for people to help track
[16:19] <lbm> okay, this is very exciting :-)
[16:19] <Graham_G3VZV> bad luck Noel...
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[16:20] <g8gtz> OK - looks like it went over my head ;-)
[16:20] <Graham_G3VZV> actually I was hoping it would last a few more minutes so i could foto it going over
[16:20] <g8gtz> bad luck??
[16:20] <jcoxon> lbm, recommend signing up to the mailing list
[16:20] <jcoxon> for launch announcements
[16:21] <g8gtz> Umm maybe I ought to join as well...
[16:21] <craag> g8gtz: For missing it.
[16:21] <james_in_berks_> What is the mailing list signup page
[16:21] <craag> g8gtz: Yes you should :P
[16:21] <G8IAN> Is someone looking for Bonzo?
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[16:21] <chrisstubbs> james_in_berks_, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/ukhas
[16:21] <jcoxon> http://nstar.org/GFS/10mb/10mb.012.png
[16:21] <lbm> jcoxon: yes, i did that this morning, can't wait to receive my antennas from germany :-)
[16:21] <jcoxon> oops
[16:22] <jcoxon> https://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
[16:22] <james_in_berks_> thanks
[16:22] <jcoxon> thats the correct link
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[16:22] <lbm> but it seems i'll need an habamp for my rtl usb dongle
[16:23] <jcoxon> lbm, they certainly help
[16:23] <jcoxon> but aren't vital
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[16:24] <lbm> fsphil: brian, do you have any contact information on him?
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[16:25] <lbm> jcoxon: okay, i'll give it a try without, thanks
[16:25] <fsphil> lbm: don't, other than his callsign OZ1SKY
[16:25] <fsphil> he's in here sometimes
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[16:26] <jcoxon> lbm, http://oz1sky.smart-tech.dk/
[16:26] <lbm> so you were talking about the same person, thanks
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[16:26] <fsphil> ah yes sorry
[16:26] <MissDee> ohh!
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[16:27] <lbm> no problem, the small community phenomenon
[16:27] <MissDee> bonzo went about past about 15 miles from my house!
[16:27] <lbm> :-)
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[16:28] <MissDee> well, bonzo6
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[16:30] <kokey> $$KOKEY1,19,16:30:18,-2520.07760,01818.07276,3888.810,*0CEF
[16:31] <kokey> That's Cape Town for me
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[16:35] <kokey> $$KOKEY1,19,16:30:18,-2520.07760,01818.07276,3888.810,*0CEF
[16:35] <pjm_> just offloading the launch video for bonzo6
[16:35] <kokey> $$KOKEY1,39,16:35:18,-3126.22788,01513.06488,5781.766,*9022
[16:36] <kokey> ok, it's either moving fast or I've done something wrong
[16:36] <eroomde> yes was just thinking that
[16:37] <kokey> 33° 55' scramjet 1 22' E
[16:37] <kokey> ok wtf I have no idea how 18 degrees turned into 'scramjet'
[16:37] <kokey> 18° 22' E
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[16:38] <kokey> oh now it's spitting out the right coordinates
[16:38] <jcoxon> kokey, is that a ublox gps?
[16:38] <kokey> dunno if it's the ublox taking a while to figure itself out
[16:39] <jcoxon> you communicating with it in UBX format?
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[16:39] <kokey> lemme look, I coded this in november and haven't looked at it again
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[16:40] <jcoxon> basically the ublox will give you crazy data until it gets a lock
[16:40] <fsphil> the twist-on pl-259 plugs. how much do you twist them?
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[16:41] <eroomde> might be worth collected other stats about the lock before trusting it
[16:41] <eroomde> eg if you have an onboard landing prediction algorithm...
[16:41] <jcoxon> i think it doesn't report any sats until its got a lock
[16:41] <kokey> // send on demand query to GPS
[16:41] <kokey> GPS.println("$PUBX,00*33");
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[16:42] <kokey> ah thanks, yeah that does seem to make sense
[16:43] <kokey> cool, I'll check how many sats
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[16:44] <eroomde> jcoxon: am watching 24HIA&E
[16:44] <kokey> another strange thing, since the ublox now doesn't spit out junk any more, the rfm22 also stopped drifting
[16:44] <eroomde> quite enjoying it
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> Erm, just seen this notam: http://notaminfo.com/explain?id=119216
[16:44] <cuddykid> daveake: is it the size K hydrogen cylinder you get?
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> think that will pose a problem?
[16:44] <Lunar_Lander> back again
[16:44] <eroomde> kokey: that's an odd phenomenon
[16:44] <jcoxon> eroomde, hehe - it is interesting
[16:44] <jcoxon> obviously all condensed - its usually very boring
[16:45] <daveake> cuddykid yes
[16:45] <eroomde> if you wanted a hypothosis for the sake of it, *possibly* that the ublox uses more current in aquisition mode (and less once locked) and the higher current draw is affecting your VCC voltage
[16:45] <eroomde> and that's causing the rfm22 to wander around a bit
[16:45] <cuddykid> daveake: wow, that's heavy :P guessing a two person job to get into car
[16:45] <kokey> eroomde: I've just switched it on from scratch, so perhaps it's just gotten to a stable temperature
[16:46] <eroomde> or that
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[16:46] <eroomde> :)
[16:46] <daveake> On grass yes, 2 people. On a solid surface you can move it yourself by spinning on its base. Well I can; you might need to put on a bit of weight :p
[16:46] <cuddykid> haha
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[16:47] <kokey> anyway, everyting seems to be working sweet after it spent about a month on a container on a ship
[16:47] <daveake> Consider getting a cylinder truck or sack truck
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[16:48] <cuddykid> daveake: might be a good idea - then again, doubt it's even going to fit in the mini..
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[16:48] <daveake> mini? Er, no :)
[16:49] <cuddykid> nah, there's no way
[16:49] <cuddykid> will have to use the x1
[16:49] <kokey> got myself an estate car
[16:49] <daveake> An estate or largish 4x4 will work
[16:49] <kokey> but I have a feeling recovery around here will require a 4x4 and some hiking boots
[16:50] <daveake> The 2-wheel-drive cars had a bit of trouble leaving the launch site yesterday
[16:50] <daveake> So did my 4x4 till I put it in 4-wheel-drive mode :p
[16:50] <eroomde> ears can be nasty
[16:51] <eroomde> have often had to get a bit of speed up very gradually to make it up the bank onto the track
[16:51] <DL5SFI_Steffen> oh how I see Superman has found the balloon? :))
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[16:51] <daveake> eroomde Yes that was the technique needed :)
[16:51] <kokey> I suspect the ham radio guys I will have to lure into helping me track all have off road vehicles of some sorts
[16:51] <cuddykid> I'm guessing that h2 cylinder was enough for all 3 balloons?
[16:51] <daveake> Well I took 2 cylinders :p
[16:51] <daveake> I had a half-ish full one to use
[16:52] <daveake> But yes we could have done all 3 with 1 I think
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[16:52] <daveake> 2+2+3 m^3 roughly
[16:52] <eroomde> we got a landrover stuck in scotland for the rocket
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[16:52] <eroomde> had to winch it out with another one
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[16:53] <daveake> hah
[16:53] <eroomde> broke 2 ropes
[16:53] <daveake> eek
[16:53] <daveake> I just have a strap, no winch
[16:54] <eroomde> we made a rope in the end from lots of lengths of kevlar and some knot work
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[16:54] <andytherocketeer> sounds like fun
[16:55] <eroomde> the owner of the other landrover was a rocketeer called Andy, as it happens
[16:55] <andytherocketeer> got 1 car stuck in scotland retrieving rockets. slid in a ditch
[16:55] <andytherocketeer> norrie?
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[16:55] <eroomde> yes
[16:55] <andytherocketeer> know him well.
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[16:56] <eroomde> we owe him one :)
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[16:57] <eroomde> are you Andy Hugh?
[16:57] <andytherocketeer> nope
[16:57] <andytherocketeer> moore
[16:58] <andytherocketeer> (yet) another ukra guy
[16:58] <eroomde> oh
[16:58] <eroomde> tat's my surname too
[16:58] <andytherocketeer> i guessed
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[16:59] <eroomde> i guess it's not that heavily encrypted
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[16:59] <eroomde> andytherocketeer: found your website
[17:00] <eroomde> great stuff
[17:00] <eroomde> quite a fleet!
[17:00] <andytherocketeer> jeez that site needs a massive overhaul
[17:00] <andytherocketeer> it's a bit 1990's still
[17:01] <g4sgx-iain> Sorry, been away, have they recovered Bonzo? I see the recovery car is parked
[17:01] <eroomde> i'm a fan of content and unobtrusive presentation
[17:01] <andytherocketeer> me 2
[17:02] <DL5SFI_Steffen> are sure to have a drink in the pub
[17:02] <DL5SFI_Steffen> yes they have also earned
[17:02] <lbm> what is the callsign naming convention for hams without license?
[17:02] <eroomde> no such thing really
[17:02] <eroomde> i think you need a license to be a ham
[17:02] <eroomde> but you can call your payload whatever you'd like
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[17:03] <lbm> i forgot to mention for /receiving/ hams without license :-)
[17:03] <eroomde> oh i see. well from the point of view of dlfldigi you can call yourself anything
[17:04] <eroomde> but to have a recognised callsign you need to have some kind of ham license
[17:04] <eroomde> the foundation one is very easy and i'd recommend it
[17:04] <lbm> okay, so i guess the irc nick is sufficient
[17:04] <eroomde> in the UK you'd get a license starting with M6
[17:04] <eroomde> then 3 letters of your choosing (provided they're not already taken)
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> most of them now are
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> :(
[17:04] <andytherocketeer> always thought about doing that. but, then not being in the UK boogers things up a bit
[17:05] <eroomde> where are you?
[17:05] <andytherocketeer> unless the german equivalent is easy peasy too, and in english?
[17:05] <lbm> i'm from denmark though, currently investigating the requirements :-)
[17:05] <eroomde> you'd have to ask some of the germans! I'd imagine they're not too dissimilar though
[17:05] <andytherocketeer> actually. might enquire at work. think they have a radio club.
[17:06] <eroomde> but to receive, as you realise you don't need any license. it can be quite useful though. Especially for chasing
[17:06] <eroomde> in the uk at least, using a mobile phone while driving is banned but operating an amateur radio is allowed
[17:06] <lbm> exactly
[17:07] <lbm> oh :-)
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> andytherocketeer, the german ham radio exam seems to be easy
[17:07] <andytherocketeer> might look in to it
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> did you study physics?
[17:08] <andytherocketeer> normally they're a bit more strict.
[17:08] <andytherocketeer> electronics
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:08] <andytherocketeer> about 20yrs ago
[17:08] <griffonbot> @chunger0923: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/chunger0923/status/323482853855858688]
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> the technical part then is absolutely no problem
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> something about resistors and capacitors in series and parallel and stuff
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[17:10] <jcoxon> gmt_chase car is confusing me
[17:10] <chrisstubbs> has anyone picked up on that GPS jamming NOTAM before?
[17:11] <jcoxon> chrisstubbs, yeah
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[17:11] <jcoxon> gonzo keeps track usually
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[17:11] <jcoxon> and posts to the mailing list
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> ah ok just checking, think it will pose a problem to HABbing?
[17:11] <jcoxon> nah
[17:12] <jcoxon> he says...
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> haha okay, must have missed that on the mailing list then
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[17:15] <gonzo_> I get the alerts from ofcom, rather than notams
[17:15] <gonzo_> not been any for a while
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[17:16] <GMT64> yo, what are last lat/long for BONZO
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[17:17] <chrisstubbs> gonzo_, interesting, i came accross this one for the 15-25th april: http://notaminfo.com/explain?id=119216
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[17:17] <jcoxon> GMT64, 51.729268,-0.680361
[17:18] <lbm> i've bought a yagi and a magnetic antenna (2 m/70 cm), both for mobile use. i'm stationed at second floor with a pole just free of the roof, which stationary antenna can you recommend (2 m/70 cm)?
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[17:18] <jcoxon> lbm, i've got a colinear
[17:18] <gonzo_> I'll check that I've not dropped off the jamming mailing list
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[17:18] <eroomde> lbm: the watson W-50 colinear is popular around here
[17:18] <griffonbot> @DomasoFan: RT @daveake: Full set of our photos from PIE5/AVA/uXABEN Launch http://t.co/vnWbwaCGvi #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/DomasoFan/status/323485535249248256]
[17:19] <griffonbot> @DomasoFan: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/DomasoFan/status/323485586268762112]
[17:19] <jonsowman> hahah ^
[17:19] <GMT64> tried to call you Gonzo, no answer
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[17:21] <eroomde> and with that, he despaired and exited stage left
[17:22] <lbm> jcoxon, eroomde: thanks, they're quite discrete which is good in an apartment complex :-)
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[17:23] <jcoxon> lbm, yeah i have one up in london, no one has taken issue to it
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> andytherocketeer, if I may ask, whereabouts in germany are you?
[17:24] <lbm> and for colinear antennas, the longer the better?
[17:24] <eroomde> the more the gain is concentrated out towards the horizon
[17:25] <eroomde> so yes i guess, though really reception of habs is a sort of binary function of Line of Sight
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[17:26] <lbm> okay, so say i'm only going to be receiving in the foreseeable future, a 100 cm. colinear antenna should be sufficient?
[17:26] <Robint91> did someone try 2.4Ghz in HABs? those low power 802.15.4
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[17:26] <eroomde> lbm: yep
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[17:27] <eroomde> Robint91: 2.4GHz is not a great frequency for hab
[17:27] <eroomde> generally the path loss goes up with the square of frequency, everything else being equal, but also 2.4GHz gets absorbed by water
[17:27] <eroomde> of which there's quite a lot in the atmosphere!
[17:27] <lbm> eroomde: thanks, this is really appreciated!
[17:27] <Robint91> eroomde, oh, okay, just wondering
[17:27] <eroomde> lbm: it's what i have. people have got >500km reception with them
[17:27] <eroomde> they're good antennas
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[17:30] <mfa298> I think the allowed power for airborne use with 2.4GHz is fairly low in the uk
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[17:31] <mfa298> some guys from dropbox tried using 2.4GHz wifi in the states but I don't think it was that successful
[17:31] <Geoff-G8DHE_> chrisstubbs gonzo_ With regard to GPS Jamming I keep this map updated from the OfCom announcments for another group http://goo.gl/maps/tbPu0
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[17:32] <Geoff-G8DHE_> There haven't been any new announcments appear for a month or two ....
[17:34] <griffonbot> @linuxnet_ch: RT @daveake: PIE5 has cross Lake Zurich and is starting to head south west towards France, floating at 29km. Only 2 trackers left! #Ras ... [http://twitter.com/linuxnet_ch/status/323489444269277184]
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[17:37] <Tc_> Has AVA been found yet?
[17:37] <fsphil> yep!
[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Its gone down the hillside to the local town for a meal by the looks of it ;-)
[17:38] <Tc_> It must be hungry all that travelling
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[17:46] <DL7AD> Did OM1AMJ get the payload?
[17:46] <Upu> yes Om1AMR actually but yes
[17:46] <Upu> err OM2AMR
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[17:47] <arko> Hahaha!! Sound of music photoshop is awesome
[17:48] <griffonbot> @arkorobotics: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/arkorobotics/status/323492963265175552]
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[17:49] <arko> Oh wow the bot caught that
[17:49] <jonsowman> anything with #ukhas
[17:49] <Ijon_Tichi> lol, AMJ just followed the highway xD
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[17:50] <arko> I just woke up.. did PIE stop transmitting?
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[17:50] <eroomde> yus
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[17:51] <arko> Awww
[17:51] <arko> Twas an excellent flight
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[17:51] <arko> :) congrats to the team
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[17:52] <halli-crazy> Is PIE still going?
[17:52] <Ijon_Tichi> is it normal that AMJ and BONZO6 made souch short travel?
[17:52] <DL7AD> no the batterys are dead
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[17:53] <Ijon_Tichi> meh :/
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[17:53] <Ijon_Tichi> ah you mean PIE
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[17:55] <mfa298> Ijon_Tichi: BONZO was a much smaller balloon (a pair of foil party baloons) so doesn't go as high and there's more chance ofthe balloons spliting (they don't expand like larger latex balloons)
[17:55] <Ijon_Tichi> ah ok
[17:55] <Ijon_Tichi> is there a pic of the baloons anywhere? :)
[17:56] <raspitv> everywhere :)
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[17:56] <mfa298> if you're looking at OM1AMJ that was a person, who went to collect AVA from where it landed
[17:56] <raspitv> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/sets/72157633235481283/
[17:56] <mfa298> I'm not sure there are any pictures of the BONZO6 balloons or payload.
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[17:57] <raspitv> Ijon_Tichi: oh sorry I thought you meant the others
[17:58] <Upu> Ijon_Tichi https://plus.google.com/photos/118244444241111963790/albums/5866449031725163409/5866449172647436210?banner=pwa
[17:58] <Upu> thats what Radim collected from a hill
[17:58] <Ijon_Tichi> im just curious about the party baloons ^^
[17:58] <Ijon_Tichi> sounds funny
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[17:58] <Ijon_Tichi> ill look :)
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[17:59] <Upu> Ijon_Tichi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADms_0dCKvI&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A&index=3
[17:59] <Upu> is me launching one
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, how do you feel now
[17:59] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[17:59] <Upu> I'm good
[18:00] <Upu> looking forward to chatting to Radim :)
[18:00] <Upu> however have to give the wife some time, she's been balloon widow this weekend
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> that doesn't sound good
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[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> I don't even have a wife
[18:00] <Lunar_Lander> not good either
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[18:02] <Ijon_Tichi> Lunar_Lander: so at least you dont have to justify your spare time actions to your wife, if you dont have one ^^
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[18:05] <griffonbot> @fourcornerskw: RT @daveake: PIE5 has cross Lake Zurich and is starting to head south west towards France, floating at 29km. Only 2 trackers left! #Ras ... [http://twitter.com/fourcornerskw/status/323497123008110592]
[18:05] <nommo> Upu: My wife's just this second been telling me off for making her a balloon widow... I've not even bought any kit yet ;)
[18:05] <Upu> haha
[18:06] <Ijon_Tichi> hm, i still have some 27MHz crystal oszilators and 1:1 transformers... ...might be funny to launch one assebled as an CW-beacon on the 11m band ^^
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[18:09] <griffonbot> @G0TDJ: RT @daveake: Full set of our photos from PIE5/AVA/uXABEN Launch http://t.co/vnWbwaCGvi #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/G0TDJ/status/323498378669486082]
[18:12] <griffonbot> @andrewhood: RT @daveake: Full set of our photos from PIE5/AVA/uXABEN Launch http://t.co/vnWbwaCGvi #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/andrewhood/status/323499071924998144]
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[18:16] <raspitv> nommo: not a good sign :(
[18:18] <nommo> raspitv: Hehe - to her it's just another excuse for me to sit at the laptop all day/night... she prefers me to be in the house really, rather than out at the allotment, the woods or at the archery range ;)
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[18:43] <griffonbot> @MkHeck: RT @daveake: @AnthonyStirk 's AVA has been recovered from a hill in Austra! This is from the landing site http://t.co/BMfcKgeTBI #UKHAS ... [http://twitter.com/MkHeck/status/323506822730371072]
[18:43] <eroomde> this i suspect is like a lot of the hab trackers after a long weekend on spacenear.us
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[18:43] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/mPBc3i7.gif.jpg
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[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> Ijon_Tichi, xD
[18:46] <Lunar_Lander> Ijon_Tichi, where are you from btw?
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[18:50] <SQ5NWI> Just joined again after whole day and see that OM1AMJ probably did recover AVA, right?
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[18:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:57] <griffonbot> @candtalan: RT @daveake: Flight profile of PIE5 so far: Launch then float over 40km, fall from sunset to float at 29km. #raspberry_pi #UKHAS http:/ ... [http://twitter.com/candtalan/status/323510408440844289]
[18:57] <pjm_> http://pjm.dyndns.org/twtr/bonzo6.jpg bonzo6 + gonzo at launch site
[18:59] <pjm_> http://pjm.dyndns.org/twtr/bonzo6a.jpg and launch
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[19:05] <craag> bonzo recovered?
[19:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Stubbs "[UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
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[19:17] <g4sgx-iain> Been selecting a PIC MCU, found a beauty AND I found my old Promate. Happy days..
[19:17] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[19:18] <Lunar_Lander> g4sgx-iain, can I ask a stupid question?
[19:18] <g4sgx-iain> certainly! lol
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> on arduino you can like program the AVR with commands like Serial.begin(9600)
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[19:19] <Lunar_Lander> is there something like that for a PIC or do you need to program PICs in assembler or so?
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[19:20] <nosebleedkt> fsphil,
[19:20] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: there are C compilers for pics
[19:20] <Robint91> nosebleedkt, why aren't you on skype?
[19:20] <nosebleedkt> xaxaxaxaxa
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[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> hm
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[19:21] <Jokull_> Looks like Superman has made his way back home with AVA... Diner with the wives first, or online posting of AVA pics first? :)
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> so
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> Serial.begin(9600) is something like PORTB >> 3 or something like that in reality?
[19:22] <eroomde> well, all microcontrollers are made up of registers
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[19:23] <eroomde> they are parts of the memory that configure the peripherals
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> ok
[19:23] <g4sgx-iain> As far as serial comms go, yes, depending on your language but you have to setup the port first etc. Assembler is best if you runing out of program memory & on some routines, depends on your compiler.
[19:23] <eroomde> you have to write numbers to these memory locations to configure the different things
[19:23] <eroomde> this is true for AVRs and PICs
[19:23] <eroomde> and all microcontrollers
[19:24] <mattbrejza> an example for setting up the serial port is : UCA0MCTL = (defUCBRSh << 1) | defUCOS16 | (defUCBRFh << 4); UCA0CTL1 = (defUCCSEL << 6);
[19:24] <mattbrejza> (actually msp430 but meh)
[19:24] <eroomde> what arduino does it it wraps all that up in a library
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> ohhhh
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:24] <eroomde> so you don't have to face dealing with registers
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:25] <eroomde> it's designed to make it easy, but it's less flexible too
[19:25] <eroomde> so when you start looki