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[00:12] <Morseman> The more the merrier N9JCA - please let us know of any launches from your location as well.
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[02:03] <arko> Upu: you around?
[02:03] <arko> seeing how it's 3am i would assume not
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[02:19] <KF7FER2> arko: I wish. I'm having MAX-6 issues and I know he'd know the answer to my problem
[02:19] <arko> haha
[02:19] <arko> same here
[02:19] <Darkside> heh
[02:19] <Darkside> what issues?
[02:19] <arko> but i think i figured it out
[02:19] <arko> well, i can't get the gps to shut up
[02:20] <arko> to put it blut
[02:20] <arko> blunt*
[02:20] <Darkside> sending the right NMEA sentences?
[02:20] <KF7FER2> me.... I'm trying to switch to flight mode. Will I still get NMEA data afterwards?
[02:20] <arko> yeah
[02:20] Nick change: KF7FER2 -> KF7FER
[02:20] <Darkside> KF7FER2: if you're sending the UBX string, then yes, you will
[02:20] <arko> i have it in flight mode, im gettin data
[02:20] <Darkside> theres a bunch of NMEA strings which turn off various NMEA strings
[02:21] <arko> btw, the ubx string is on page 117 of the datasheet
[02:21] <arko> at least the one Upu links on his site
[02:21] <Darkside> theres also example code on the ukhas wiki
[02:21] <Darkside> heaps of it
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[02:21] <KF7FER> <sigh> I used the UKHAS examples so I'm pretty sure the code is right
[02:21] <KF7FER> I'm trying to add MAX-6 support to Trackuino
[02:21] <Darkside> oh
[02:21] <arko> what wrong with it?
[02:21] <Darkside> i've done that already
[02:21] <Darkside> well
[02:21] <arko> hahaha
[02:22] <arko> wow i really should ask more here
[02:22] <Darkside> in our fork of it
[02:22] <Darkside> which is quite old
[02:22] <KF7FER> oh? Well the XMIT LED is on constantly after I switch to flight mode. Doesn't function normally
[02:22] <arko> thats what im working on too
[02:22] <KF7FER> I'm using the 1.4 base
[02:22] <KF7FER> but I've modified it to run under 1.x
[02:22] <KF7FER> Arduino 1.x
[02:22] <arko> same
[02:22] <Darkside> https://code.google.com/p/project-horus/source/browse/trunk/trackuino/gps.cpp
[02:22] <arko> got trackduino to compile in 1.0
[02:23] <Darkside> you'll note the additions in gps_setup
[02:23] <KF7FER> arko: I don't understand why they didn't do it before. There is a minimal use of the serial object
[02:23] <arko> srsly
[02:23] <arko> i keep getting interrupts from the gps right now though
[02:23] <Darkside> that copt of trackuino works on 1.0 too
[02:23] <arko> even if i do "NoInterrupts();"
[02:23] <arko> oh nice
[02:23] <arko> man, im torn
[02:23] <arko> use working code or figure it out on my own....
[02:23] <Darkside> it has some nasty hardcoded telemetry stuff though
[02:23] <arko> the fun is the code
[02:23] <Darkside> but its not that bad
[02:24] <Darkside> theres a hardcoded callsign in the aprs.cpp file
[02:24] <arko> huh?
[02:24] <Darkside> static uint8_t telem_param[] PROGMEM = ":VK5ZM-11 :PARM.Battery,IntT,ExtT,NumSat,,GPSFix,Chut,,,,,,\0";
[02:24] <Darkside> static uint8_t telem_units[] PROGMEM = ":VK5ZM-11 :UNIT.mV,degC,degC,sats,,LOCK,OPEN,,,,,,\0";
[02:24] <arko> the config.h has a define yo!
[02:24] <Darkside> static uint8_t telem_coeff[] PROGMEM = ":VK5ZM-11 :EQNS.0,6.445,1350,0,1,-128,0,1,-128,0,1,0,0,0,0\0";
[02:24] <Darkside> static uint8_t telem_bits[] PROGMEM = ":VK5ZM-11 :BITS.11111111,Project Horus HAB\0";
[02:24] <arko> XP
[02:24] <Darkside> yeah
[02:24] <Darkside> i didn't write this part
[02:24] <arko> haha
[02:24] <Darkside> we havent bothered to update it since it works well
[02:25] <arko> nice
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[02:25] <Darkside> https://code.google.com/p/project-horus/source/browse/trunk/trackuino/aprs.cpp
[02:25] <Darkside> quite a few additions in there
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[02:25] <Darkside> and loads of comments
[02:25] <arko> the humanity
[02:26] <arko> it's very nicely commented ya
[02:26] <arko> :)
[02:26] <KF7FER> ugh. Ok FWIW my code is at http://pastebin.com/ykbAgBme#
[02:27] <Darkside> yes
[02:27] <Darkside> ok i need to head off
[02:27] <arko> thanks Darkside
[02:27] <KF7FER> thanks for the code Darkside... I'll look at what you've done
[02:27] <Darkside> np, ill be back on later
[02:28] <KF7FER> well I see I messed up parsing the satellite data <sigh>
[02:29] <KF7FER> my code:
[02:29] <KF7FER> void parse_num_sats(const char *token) {
[02:29] <KF7FER> new_num_sats = atof(token);
[02:29] <KF7FER>
[02:29] <KF7FER> and new_num_sats is defined as an int
[02:30] <KF7FER> wonder what that was doing?
[02:31] <KF7FER> and Darkside - why is new_satellites a char? To save space? Damn... of course!
[02:31] <KF7FER> why make it an int when it's value will be less than 255?
[02:31] Action: KF7FER talks to myself lots
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[02:43] <KF7FER> so arko you're using Trackuino w/ 1,x? I was worried I was missing something
[02:43] <arko> yeah
[02:43] <arko> its nice
[02:43] <arko> took a few mods if i recall
[02:44] <KF7FER> Yeah the typical. But I stuck with 23 because of the warnings from the Trackuino guys. And my board has no serial interface so I always had to compile and manually use avrdude to download to my board. Is much easier with 1.x
[02:44] <arko> yeah same
[02:44] <arko> im gonna go through the warmings soon
[02:45] <KF7FER> well they just stated that it was non-trival to port to 1.x (check the bugs/issues)
[02:45] <arko> renaming WProgram.h to Arduino.h was it if i recall
[02:45] <KF7FER> and it was certainly trivial. Yes, exactly. A bit more work if you want to keep compatibility with pre 1.x releases
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[02:45] <KF7FER> use an ifdef with an else - nothing difficult
[02:46] <arko> UGGG
[02:46] <arko> now it doesnt make sense
[02:46] <arko> i plug in my logic analyzer to see if there is data between the gps and micro
[02:46] <arko> it works, not even sampling
[02:46] <arko> if it remove it, the aprs packets get corrupt
[02:47] <arko> the circuit will just start the aprs packet, glitch then continue
[02:47] <KF7FER> odd
[02:47] <arko> if i just connected the logic analyzer, it works perfectly
[02:47] <arko> if i comment out all GPS serial code, it works
[02:47] <arko> >_>
[02:47] <arko> maybe i need some pullups or pulldowns
[02:48] <KF7FER> on the serial line?
[02:48] <nigelvh> Is this an i2c connection?
[02:48] <arko> UART
[02:48] <arko> TX/RX
[02:49] <KF7FER> running the cpu at 3.3v?
[02:49] <KF7FER> or doing level conversion?
[02:49] <nigelvh> Hmm, unless you've specifically modified the pin configurations after defining the serial port, the pins should have the pullups/downs enabled already.
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[03:57] <KF7FER> so arko... any luck? That stupid 'atof' instead of 'atoi' seemed to be my biggest problem. I've now got my board switching the MAX-6 to flight mode and it still runs!
[03:58] <arko> oh i was eating dinner
[03:58] <arko> no luck yeah
[03:58] <arko> i cant seem to figure out why the radio keep glitching
[03:58] <nigelvh> Are you using software serial?
[03:58] <arko> yes
[03:59] <KF7FER> seems odd. The HX1 has always been rock solid. But I don't use Software Serial either
[03:59] <arko> i think it's teh software serial
[03:59] <arko> pretty sure it s
[03:59] <nigelvh> Have you tried hardware serial? I've had timing issues with APRS when using software serial
[03:59] <KF7FER> btw the two boards on the left are what I've been debugging my new code on https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8240668/images/currentRun.JPG
[03:59] <arko> i want to have serial data feedback too
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[03:59] <KF7FER> so use SS on the debug side
[03:59] <nigelvh> GPS only needs one pin, so you can still TX out from the arduino to your computer.
[04:00] <KF7FER> nigelvh: unless you want to put your MAX-6 in flight mode ;-)
[04:00] <nigelvh> Or you don't use a max6
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[04:01] <KF7FER> yup
[04:01] <nigelvh> Say a GPS that doesn't need to be set into flight mode to work.
[04:01] <nigelvh> Or you use a max6 on i2c
[04:02] <KF7FER> I should try the MAX-6 with i2c... I've just kept with serial because my previous gps, the SkyTraq SUP500R/F didn't need any init strings to work
[04:03] <KF7FER> but should you be ok to put the debug port on SS?
[04:03] <KF7FER> I haven't tried it
[04:03] <nigelvh> Assuming you don't close the port when not in use (SS still uses interrupts when not recieving data) and you avoid writing during a transmission.
[04:04] <nigelvh> Assuming you DO* close the port
[04:04] <KF7FER> never mind then
[04:04] <KF7FER> seems like a hassle
[04:04] <nigelvh> It is, but that's the reality.
[04:04] <KF7FER> need a cpu with 2x serial ports
[04:05] <nigelvh> I've been fond of using the 1280 or the 2560 for that reason.
[04:05] <nigelvh> It's got four.
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[04:05] <KF7FER> expensive cpu.. The 328 is under $2
[04:05] <KF7FER> but I'm rethinking things because of issues like that
[04:06] <nigelvh> yes, the 1280 is much more expensive than a 328
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[04:06] <nigelvh> Though you've also got a LOT more IO available as well as a LOT more program space.
[04:06] <nigelvh> If those were needed.
[04:07] <nigelvh> If I were designing a max6 board, I'd go i2c and stick with a 328.
[04:07] <KF7FER> I've been using the trackuino source and I'm about 1/3 the program space and still have some free memory
[04:07] <KF7FER> I will certainly consider i2c for future boards - I like the idea of having the serial port free
[04:08] <KF7FER> at no real hardware cost
[04:08] <KF7FER> thanks for the idea. So I do have to ask - have you ever used the MAX-6 with i2c?
[04:08] <KF7FER> not that it matters, just curious
[04:09] <nigelvh> I have not. I haven't used a max6 at all. I tend to use modules that don't require config to work at high alt. I do believe some of the UK guys who frequent the channel may have used i2c though.
[04:09] <nigelvh> Perhaps check with Upu
[04:09] <KF7FER> I will. So what gps do you use? I fell in love with the MAX-6 because it's so small... seems to make programming a minor hassle
[04:11] <nigelvh> I generally have used this one: https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=144&osCsid=1r5em3ojplsfnbp7keahp3iem3
[04:11] <nigelvh> However they're out of stock and have been for a bit, so I may need to find another option soon.
[04:13] <KF7FER> interesting. thanks for the tip, I like buying from Argent Data. That have some cool stuff.
[04:13] <arko> blarrggg
[04:14] <arko> hardware serial would work fine
[04:14] <arko> the only way i can think of getting this to work with software serial is really stupid
[04:14] <arko> open serial, get data, close serial, send aprs, repeat
[04:14] <arko> very dumb
[04:15] <nigelvh> Yep, that's what I did when I tried software serial
[04:15] <arko> seems like a bad idea for flight software
[04:16] <KF7FER> so arko - do you disable all the extra NMEA sentences?
[04:16] <arko> yeah
[04:16] <arko> only GGA
[04:16] <KF7FER> do you see a big delay at startup?
[04:16] <arko> yeah
[04:16] <arko> it's not a huge delay
[04:16] <KF7FER> like 10+ seconds?
[04:16] <arko> hmm
[04:16] <arko> nah
[04:16] <arko> 2seconds
[04:17] <KF7FER> @#$@!@##$@@#$@##%^@!#$
[04:17] <KF7FER> <sigh>
[04:17] <KF7FER> ok thanks
[04:17] <arko> heh
[04:17] <arko> i know the feel
[04:17] <KF7FER> sorry... so close
[04:17] <arko> hah
[04:18] <KF7FER> going to run outside to see if my board can get a fix - it looks like it's working (but no HX1 attached). I see the "heartbeat"
[04:18] <arko> nice
[04:18] <arko> good luck
[04:18] <KF7FER> I was lucky and put a 2nd LED on pin 9 and I simply switch the buzzer to that pin and I get a free fix LED
[04:18] <KF7FER> thanks
[04:22] <arko> i need a shower
[04:22] <arko> im doing begin, query gps, end, send aprs, repeat
[04:22] <arko> it works
[04:23] <arko> but it feels so wrong >_<
[04:23] <KF7FER> begin/end?
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[04:23] <arko> software serial
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[04:24] <nigelvh> Software serial is really a resource suck
[04:24] <nigelvh> disabling it when you don't need it is good.
[04:24] <arko> yeah i know
[04:24] <arko> i feel bad using it anyway
[04:24] <KF7FER> oh... you dirty boy
[04:25] <arko> >_> awkward
[04:25] <KF7FER> me I've still got a problem - my delay only appears when I call 'sendUBXMessage' repeatedly
[04:25] <KF7FER> sorry
[04:25] <arko> lol
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[05:40] <eroomde> morn
[05:40] <Darkside> morning eroomde
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[05:41] <daveake> morning
[05:41] <nigelvh> Evening
[05:41] <DL5SFI_Steffen> good Morning
[05:42] <daveake> time to go seey'all later
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[05:45] <arko> mroning
[05:45] <arko> morning*\
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[05:51] <pe2bz> Good morning...
[05:52] <pe2bz> Would there be any details about the launch time(s) ?
[05:53] <Darkside> 10AM UTC
[05:53] <Darkside> according to spacenear.us/tracker/
[05:53] <Steve_P> daveake said 10.30 (ish) a few minutes ago on http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3&id=1010
[05:53] <Darkside> ahh ok
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[05:55] <pe2bz> Thanks, that gives me some time for shaving and shopping...
[05:55] <pe2bz> Good luck to all !!
[05:55] <DL5SFI_Steffen> ;-)
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[05:59] <recantha> Good morning
[05:59] <arko> i think i'm gonna stay awake to watch :)
[05:59] <arko> morning
[05:59] <x-f> mmorning
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[06:28] <pe2bz> @arko: Stay awake ? Where (about) are you located ? Over here (holland) we just woke up...
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[06:31] <recantha> Good morning, Alex :)
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[06:51] <recantha> Is there any reason why someone wouldn't be able to type any chat in?
[06:51] <eroomde> there shouldn't be
[06:52] <eroomde> recantha: where are they based?
[06:52] <recantha> UK.
[06:53] <recantha> In that case, is there any other way apart from using the webchat client to connect to the channel?
[06:53] <eroomde> recantha: are they trying to get into this channel or another one
[06:53] <eroomde> ?
[06:53] <recantha> This channel - it's RasPiTV - he keeps connecting but is unable to actually enter any chat.
[06:53] <eroomde> recantha: any desktop IRC client should do the job
[06:53] <recantha> What server/port is it? irc.freenode.net?
[06:54] <eroomde> eg mIRC or xchat or a number of others
[06:54] <eroomde> irc.freenode.net
[06:54] <eroomde> #highaltitude
[06:54] <eroomde> ports should just be defaults
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[06:54] <recantha> Ta
[06:56] <recantha> Ah. He's actually in Poland, I forgot about that.
[06:56] <recantha> On holiday
[06:57] <eroomde> should still be ok. we dont have any particular ip-based restrictions on this channel or anything like that
[06:57] <eroomde> all welcome :)
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[06:59] <eroomde> RasPiTV: greetings. can you speak?
[06:59] <Upu> morning all
[06:59] Nick change: Upu -> M0UPU
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[07:00] <craag> morning
[07:02] <eroomde> morning craag
[07:03] <arko> sup eroomde
[07:03] <eroomde> greetings arko
[07:03] <eroomde> gave up with my fpga board layout yesterday
[07:03] <arko> aww
[07:03] <eroomde> just bought a dev board for the same price as getting the 4-layer board i was going to build fabbed
[07:03] <eroomde> it's more likely to Just Work too
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[07:04] <arko> which model?
[07:04] <Maxell> morning!
[07:04] <arko> suppp
[07:04] <recantha> Ah. There we go. mIRC _does_ work. Awful interface, but it does work.
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[07:04] <eroomde> arko: Digilent Nexys 2
[07:05] <arko> oh nice
[07:05] <arko> did you get the edu discount?
[07:05] <eroomde> the biggest spartan 3 bord i can find
[07:05] <arko> yeah
[07:05] <eroomde> no... but I am not a student
[07:05] <arko> aww
[07:05] <arko> dude, i could have totally gotten you a discount
[07:05] <arko> i just bought a spartan 3e starter board for class
[07:05] <arko> o well
[07:05] <eroomde> it would be a bit cheeky. + it was like $150 which is sort of beneath the noise floor for work tool purchases
[07:06] <eroomde> (i.e. it's not me paying)
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[07:06] <arko> ahh
[07:06] <eroomde> recantha2: is RaspiTV having any luck, do you know?
[07:06] <eroomde> arko: well above the noise floor is we're test driving a hameg 350MHz/4ch scope. It's really pretty good! I'm impressed.
[07:07] <arko> woah
[07:07] <eroomde> i'd love to be able to get something like that for personal use
[07:07] <arko> nice dude, yeah, color screen 4 channel
[07:08] <arko> whens the first launch btw?
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[07:09] <arko> PYSY
[07:09] <arko> i believe
[07:09] <raspitv2> mIRC FTW :)
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[07:09] <raspitv2> morning all. Couldn't get in with browser FF or Chrome
[07:09] <eroomde> raspitv2: that's very odd
[07:10] <eroomde> how are you connecting currently?
[07:10] <raspitv2> I am in Poland, tried a UK proxy as well - no dice. Using mIRC now - just installed
[07:10] <M0UPU> morning Alex
[07:10] <eroomde> oh well, as long as it works
[07:10] <recantha2> Ah, you made it. Good morning :)
[07:10] <eroomde> is anyone else connecting via the webchat interface successfully? speak now lurkers!
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[07:10] <raspitv2> Hi Dave :) How's the weather
[07:10] <M0UPU> Anthony :)
[07:10] <M0UPU> its nice
[07:11] <M0UPU> I see some sheeps in a field
[07:11] <recantha2> I _was_ on the web interface but switched to mIRC for convenience.
[07:11] Nick change: Administrator__ -> HixServer
[07:11] <eroomde> ok. as long as it works. Otherwise it could be a long morning.
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[07:13] <arko> hey it's Upu
[07:13] <M0UPU> tis
[07:14] Action: fsphil rubs eyes
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[07:14] <fsphil> why so early on a saturday :p
[07:14] <craag> Up to 55 viewers currently on spacenearus already..!
[07:14] <arko> NOT EARLY ENOUGH
[07:14] <raspitv2> predictions probably
[07:14] Action: arko sips his scotch
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[07:15] <craag> lol arko what's the local time there?
[07:15] <arko> 12:15am right now
[07:15] <arko> gonna try to stay awake
[07:15] <arko> watch as many as i can while working on my pico
[07:15] <arko> call it a good evening ;)
[07:15] <craag> :)
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[07:17] <craag> You can log onto a globaltuner and have a go at receiving.
[07:17] <arko> woah!
[07:17] <arko> link to one?
[07:17] <arko> not sure where to look
[07:17] <craag> http://www.globaltuners.com/\
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[07:18] <craag> Dokkum DX is perfectly placed.
[07:18] <craag> And the owner has tracked several balloons himself.
[07:18] <arko> w00t, get to pretend im in the eu
[07:19] <craag> I might put my websdr up too..
[07:20] <craag> Anyway bbl, breakfast time here!
[07:20] <arko> mine here is ready
[07:20] <arko> for any floaters
[07:20] <arko> bring it on
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[07:21] <eroomde> I suspect today might be a record-breaker for the number of people in the channel
[07:21] <arko> started at 123
[07:21] <arko> from earlier today
[07:21] <arko> :)
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[07:23] <raspitv2> @eroomde - I think that's a given :)
[07:23] <eroomde> onwards and upwards
[07:24] <raspitv2> what's Anthony's handle?
[07:24] <eroomde> M0UPU:
[07:25] <raspitv2> lol I thought that was Dave
[07:25] <eroomde> that's daveake but he's not here currently
[07:25] <raspitv2> morning Anthony :)
[07:26] <eroomde> M0UPU is his amatur radio callsign (he is usually just Upu on the channel)
[07:26] <eroomde> there seems to be a fashion for changing your nick to a callsign when in flight mode
[07:26] <Hix> Morning all
[07:26] <eroomde> like putting on your iron man suit
[07:27] <Morseman> Or using one on one PC and something else on another... ;)
[07:27] <arko> hehe
[07:27] <raspitv2> What's the current prediction for the one that was supposed to get to Polska?
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[07:31] <eroomde> raspitv2: I believe so, broadly
[07:31] <eroomde> certainly still shooting out towards Holland and Germany, I'm not sure of the direction after that
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[07:33] <mfa298> I think the prediction a few days ago had it heading south in germany, over the alps and then heading west. But that could have changed.
[07:34] <KD7OUP> web interface seem to work fine
[07:35] <fsphil> indeed
[07:35] <raspitv2> @KD7OUP - GRRRRRRRRRRRRR ;)
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[07:36] <KD7OUP> well im on comcast in the us
[07:36] <Hix> too early for soldering, I can barely see what i'm doing
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[07:36] <KD7OUP> so early I should be asleep
[07:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Dmitry Lityagin "[UKHAS] Nmea parser from UKHAS wiki"
[07:37] <eroomde> i need to make some pastry
[07:37] <fsphil> yes silly timezones, this isn't a great time for those over the pond
[07:37] <fsphil> I'm gonna have some toast shortly
[07:37] <fsphil> and a glass of pure orange
[07:38] <eroomde> juiced or just in solid form?
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[07:38] <KD7OUP> -7 or -6 GMT I forget which it changes when we try and save daylight
[07:38] <fsphil> eroomde: juiced
[07:39] <eroomde> and we're not on GMT either at the moment, just to confuse things
[07:39] <fsphil> oh man that gps parser code is interesting
[07:39] <recantha2> I can hear the conversation now: "Let's save daylight by confusing the hell out of everyone"
[07:39] <fsphil> that's about it
[07:39] <KD7OUP> im on MDT or mountain daylight time
[07:40] <fsphil> we've got the optimistically titled BST, or "British Summer Time"
[07:41] <G0DJA> I call it British Silly Time
[07:41] <KD7OUP> save day light put people in the dark in the morning kill the brain cells so the politcan can play golf in the evening ;)
[07:41] <x-f> is it dark in the morning? sun rises at 6am
[07:42] <fsphil> there wouldn't be much difference here if they got rid of DST
[07:42] <KD7OUP> it was nice when they move it to start a month earlier and end a month lateer a few years ago made the it more fun
[07:42] <fsphil> I don't think anyone would notice
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[07:42] <KD7OUP> sun rises at 7:15 am when they start it
[07:43] <KD7OUP> here
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[07:43] <KD7OUP> we could solve all this with a little blue box
[07:43] <x-f> what's in the box?
[07:44] <fsphil> a delorian
[07:44] <x-f> hehe
[07:44] <KD7OUP> lol
[07:44] <Morseman> Back when had to keep a logbook for Amateur Radio having a clock on UTC used to confuse non-Radio Amateur visitors to stations at JOTA, which was always held just before clocks went back again
[07:44] <KD7OUP> tardis
[07:44] <Morseman> Who?
[07:44] <KD7OUP> exactly
[07:45] <fsphil> which is on tonight. nice!
[07:45] <raspitv2> That's Dr Who to you Morseman ;)
[07:45] <Morseman> I missed last weeks and not had chance to watch on iPlayer yet
[07:45] <x-f> well, we had one experimental year without DST here, got sunrise at 4am in the middle of summer, and the evenings were short, was not impressed
[07:45] <Morseman> :) raspitv2
[07:45] <KD7OUP> the doctor is on later to nigt BBC America
[07:45] <KD7OUP> no iplayer in us
[07:45] <recantha2> I still prefer David Tennant to Matt Smith.
[07:45] <fsphil> raspitv2: no no, it's just The Doctor :)
[07:46] <Morseman> My Dad used to tell me about double summer time in UK
[07:46] <KD7OUP> what is double summer time ?
[07:46] <Morseman> He got told off for staying out late when he got home at 9pm because it felt like 7pm...
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[07:46] <Morseman> Move clocks forward by 2 hours KD7OUP
[07:47] <KD7OUP> oh
[07:47] <fsphil> urg, that would be awful
[07:47] <KD7OUP> twice the insanity
[07:47] <KD7OUP> double round of golf
[07:47] <Morseman> Was supposed to help farmers but most round here just seem to work at any time of day or night and not to any 'clock' setting anyway
[07:48] <raspitv2> KD7OUP can't you proxy?
[07:48] <KD7OUP> think how the farners feel cow don't make the change
[07:48] <KD7OUP> no have not found one that works and is free
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[07:48] <raspitv2> I use my own web server :) It ain't free though
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[07:49] <KD7OUP> it is better than when we only had pbs and had to wait 2 years
[07:49] <Morseman> BBC Radio 4 now *off* - Man they do go on about here
[07:49] <Morseman> her
[07:50] <KD7OUP> it was a year wait a few years ago
[07:50] <KD7OUP> I love to see the doctor hack a raspberry pi
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[07:51] <arko> muhaha!
[07:51] <arko> my pico is alive!
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[07:51] <fsphil> that evil laugh deserves a flash of lightning
[07:51] <fsphil> and dramatic music
[07:52] <ZioAldo> hi any
[07:52] <fsphil> morning ZioAldo
[07:52] <KD7OUP> I have one a pi callig me to come play i just need to find some time to go to my room in the basement and experment
[07:53] <Morseman> Don't go into the basement KD7OUP !!
[07:53] <ZioAldo> at which time is the launch?
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[07:53] <Morseman> 10 ish
[07:53] <Randomskk> 1000UTC
[07:53] <fsphil> expect it to be later
[07:53] <Randomskk> hehe
[07:53] <eroomde> 10.30BST approximately
[07:53] <KD7OUP> why is there an angel weeping over my PI ?
[07:53] <ZioAldo> something between 1 or 2 hours?
[07:54] <eroomde> ZioAldo: yes
[07:54] <fsphil> KD7OUP: ah man, you blinked didn't you?
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[07:54] <Randomskk> hits on the cache are already ramping up
[07:54] <Randomskk> http://stats.habhub.org/dash/#dashboard=Varnish&timeFrame=3h
[07:54] <KD7OUP> almost I got something in my eye
[07:55] <KD7OUP> silly me
[07:55] <KF7FER> arko: so are you calling getUBX_ACK? and if so, actually checking the return value?
[07:55] <fsphil> PYSY should be launching very shortly
[07:55] <arko> yeah im checking
[07:56] <ZioAldo> very excited, this is the first launch I follow
[07:56] <KD7OUP> balloon in poland in the sky
[07:56] <arko> good luck ZioAldo
[07:56] <KF7FER> arko - ok. Seems to be my problem. Like I'm timing out or something
[07:56] <KD7OUP> google is fun
[07:56] <arko> hmm
[07:56] <arko> how are you listening for it?
[07:57] <ZioAldo> in the afternoon I'm going to fly, but fl1000 is a little bit high for me
[07:57] <KF7FER> something like this:
[07:57] <KF7FER> sendUBX(setNav, sizeof(setNav)/sizeof(uint8_t));
[07:57] <KF7FER> getUBX_ACK(setNav);
[07:57] <KF7FER>
[07:57] <KF7FER> while (!gps_status && (gps_retries < 3)) {
[07:57] <KF7FER> gps_status = getUBX_ACK(setNav);
[07:57] <KF7FER> gps_retries++;
[07:57] <KF7FER> }
[07:57] <arko> woah
[07:58] <arko> pastebin that stuff :)
[07:58] <KF7FER> oops sorry
[07:58] <eroomde> ZioAldo: you could chase it!
[07:58] <fsphil> why why / sizeof(uint8_t);
[07:58] <KF7FER> of course the frist getUBX_ACK shouldn't be there
[07:59] <KF7FER> first even
[07:59] <KD7OUP> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[07:59] <ZioAldo> I'll fly northern italy alps, too southish it seems
[07:59] <Randomskk> if sizeof(uint8_t) is not 1 you have serious problems
[07:59] <fsphil> some predictions have it heading towards you ZioAldo
[07:59] <fsphil> but it's quite uncertain
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[08:00] <ZioAldo> ok, i'll ask a scuba diver my friend to give me its oxygen kit, i'll try to climb to FL800 at least :)
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[08:01] <KF7FER> Randomskk: Even if setNav is a uint8_t?
[08:01] <ZioAldo> it would be a great experiment, recover the baloon inflight!!
[08:01] <Hix> might need more than a wetsuit at FL800 ;p
[08:01] <fsphil> lol ZioAldo
[08:01] <fsphil> that would be a first
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[08:01] <Randomskk> KF7FER: yes...
[08:02] <Randomskk> dividing by sizeof(uint8_t) shouldn't ever do anything
[08:02] <Randomskk> sizeof(uint8_t) is 1
[08:02] <ZioAldo> I have no idea, what size is the baloon?
[08:02] <Randomskk> if it is ever not 1, you should be failing the "checking build environment is sane..." check ;)
[08:03] <KF7FER> I hate when that happens
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[08:03] <Randomskk> hehe
[08:03] <Upu_M0UPU> morning
[08:03] <Upu_M0UPU> stream up ?
[08:04] <x-f> yup
[08:04] <mfa298> Upu_M0UPU: it's working
[08:04] <Upu_M0UPU> cool
[08:04] <arko> Upu_M0UPU: looks good from the other side of earth
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[08:05] <KD7OUP> night all time to get some sleep
[08:05] <fsphil> fake. there's blue sky
[08:06] <KD7OUP> not in the us
[08:06] <arko> it's a sound stage in burbank
[08:06] <arko> how do i change my name in the channel?
[08:06] <KF7FER> isn't that where the moon landing was filmed?
[08:06] <arko> SHHHHH
[08:07] <arko> totally not
[08:07] <craag> arko: /nick name
[08:07] <ZioAldo> at which speed does it travel?
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[08:07] <arko> oh no, i mean at batc.tv
[08:07] <fsphil> arko: same
[08:07] <craag> same!
[08:07] <arko> woah cool
[08:07] <craag> It's almost irc, but without a nice client :|
[08:08] <fsphil> yea the client is very poor
[08:08] <arko> right
[08:08] <arko> hah
[08:08] <fsphil> wish they'd let me hack it :)
[08:08] <arko> i'll just chill here
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[08:09] <arko> launching a camera too?
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[08:09] <fsphil> there's the Pi camera
[08:09] <fsphil> sending down images during the flight
[08:09] <arko> woah neat
[08:10] <arko> is that ssdv link?
[08:10] <Upu_M0UPU> going to be a while waiting o steve
[08:10] <fsphil> yea
[08:10] <pablophg> http://ssdv.habhub.org
[08:10] <fsphil> nothing there just yet
[08:10] <arko> woot
[08:10] <arko> cool
[08:10] <arko> launch is 10utc?
[08:10] <fsphil> hmm.. I thought 10 bst
[08:10] <fsphil> which is 9 utc
[08:11] <arko> oh
[08:11] <fsphil> but not sure
[08:11] <arko> damn im confused now
[08:11] <craag> 11 bst I believe
[08:11] <fsphil> timezones!!111
[08:11] <arko> my clock says 9:31
[08:11] <arko> am
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[08:11] <arko> for your guys time
[08:11] <craag> erm 9:11
[08:11] <fsphil> anthony trying to fly there
[08:11] <arko> 9:11 right
[08:11] <mfa298> spacenear says 10utc and batc says 1030utc
[08:11] <arko> watch him do a mary poppins
[08:12] <x-f> it's windy there
[08:12] <craag> updated is 1030 utc, so 1130 bst.
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[08:12] <arko> ok, yeah i have utc
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[08:12] <craag> 2 hours 20 minutes from now :)
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[08:13] <craag> And we already have > 100 viewing on spacenearus
[08:13] <mclane> PYSY lost
[08:13] <fsphil> wot?
[08:13] <fsphil> what happened?
[08:14] <Upu_M0UPU> lost ?
[08:14] <mclane> GPS not working
[08:14] <fsphil> ack
[08:14] <mclane> stuck at a certain position
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[08:15] <fsphil> hopefully unsticks before landing
[08:15] <mclane> we can still receive telegrams but always the same
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[08:15] <SpeedEvil> very tall tree?
[08:15] <mclane> the same data
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[08:16] <G0DJA> Gotta go - good luck with the flights
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[08:21] <raspitv2> LO winkleink :)
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[08:21] <test____> has it launched or when is it scheduled?
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[08:22] <craag_M0DNY> morning G8GTZ
[08:22] <fsphil> scheduled for 10:30 BST
[08:22] <test____> thanks
[08:23] <G8GTZ> Morning - just getting set up...
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[08:23] <fsphil> right, gonna get some breakfast before the fun begins
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[08:27] <Morseman> fsphil I made that mistake as well - I think they are saying 10:30 UTC...
[08:27] <Morseman> so 11:30 BST
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[08:31] <Hix> grrr SOT23 Vreg flown across room, never to be seen again
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[08:32] <jcoxon> morning al
[08:32] <Hix> morning jcoxon
[08:33] <Morseman> Hix SMD ? I hate them
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[08:34] <Hix> yup, especially when they ar 14p and farnell want min order of £20
[08:34] <Jim> Jim
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[08:41] <Gadget-Mac> Morning all
[08:41] <test____> afternoon here
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[08:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> Pysy lost?
[08:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> what QRG?
[08:42] <Hix> hi SP9UOB_Tom think it lost GPS
[08:43] <Upu_M0UPU> stream ok ?
[08:43] <raspitv2> yay stream is working for me in PL now :) wasn't earlier. Hi Liz, Hi Eben :)
[08:43] <Gadget-Mac> Upu_M0UPU: Looks good here.
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[08:44] <Hix> whats the plan with XABEN today? Floater too?
[08:45] <arko> Woah nice, raspberry pi just tweeted about this
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[08:45] <Hix> arko look on Rpi's front page
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[08:46] <WillDuckworth> yep - they're all over it :)
[08:46] <Gadget-Mac> Be interesting to see how long the BATCstreams hold up
[08:46] <arko> Woah awesome!
[08:48] <arko> I should at least stay awake for launch
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[08:51] <Hix> eroomde: whats your roadie supplies company called again?
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[08:53] <craag_M0DNY> Grr where's that darn male to male bnc adaptor...
[08:53] <Gadget-Mac> Is it a He or H flight ?
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[08:54] <Hix> H2 by looks of cylinder
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[08:54] <arko> H2, just posted by rpi
[08:54] <Gadget-Mac> Just checking :)
[08:55] <arko> Raspberry Pi (@Raspberry_Pi) tweeted at 1:49 AM on Sat, Apr 13, 2013:
[08:55] <arko> Eben and @daveake, complaining about the weight of the hydrogen. http://t.co/r5htjVBeTU
[08:55] <arko> (https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/322994948549009408)
[08:55] <arko> Woah odd copy paste on this tablet
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[08:56] <raspitv2> 70 kilos that cyclinder
[08:57] <raspitv2> who's that next to Anthony? Is it JamesH?
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[08:59] <craag_M0DNY> fsphil: They were looking for someone to take on the chat interface back in october (the batc)
[09:00] <fsphil> ah
[09:00] <fsphil> anyone step up?
[09:00] <Hix> do it fsphil
[09:00] <jcoxon> SP9UOB_Tom, you launching today?
[09:00] <jcoxon> fsphil, make it a irc backend
[09:00] <Gadget-Mac> Got to love threads in multiples chat platforms
[09:00] <jcoxon> then we can just have it on here
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[09:01] <Gadget-Mac> jcoxon: just this irc as the backend :)
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[09:01] <jcoxon> well a bit of flexibility for other people
[09:01] <jcoxon> :-p
[09:01] <Hix> couldn't ukhas have its own streaming?
[09:02] <Randomskk> woo http://stats.habhub.org/dash/#dashboard=Parser&timeFrame=3h
[09:02] <craag_M0DNY> fsphil: No. I suggested using irc as a backend and they didn't like it.
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[09:03] <fsphil> craag_M0DNY: odd, it would be perfect. what they have now is so similar
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[09:03] <craag_M0DNY> Yeah, you'd need some bots to handle auth of the channels, but that's it really.
[09:03] <Hix> the flash thing is a bit pants too, lot of devices dont support it
[09:03] <Darkside> hah sho is in the suit
[09:03] <Hix> surely it could be html5?
[09:04] <Gadget-Mac> hehe
[09:04] <craag_M0DNY> But they wanted someone to 'take responsibility' for it. Which I didn't have the time to do.
[09:04] <craag_M0DNY> Hix: It's backed by Flash Media Server atm.
[09:04] <craag_M0DNY> But they're moving to wowza
[09:04] <Hix> ahh bugger
[09:04] <craag_M0DNY> Which will make html5 a possibility.
[09:04] <arko> Im so sleepy..
[09:04] <fsphil> if they could stream it over http then html5 would be perfect
[09:04] <Hix> cool
[09:05] <Hix> more scotch arko!!!
[09:05] <fsphil> a combination of h.264 and webm could cover every browser that supports the video tag
[09:05] <craag_M0DNY> Last I heard they had the new server racked, and were soak-testing it.
[09:05] <arko> Hix i was fooled!
[09:05] <Hix> batc broken into punnage
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[09:05] <arko> Scotch turned its back on me, and now im sleepy
[09:05] <fsphil> oh dear
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[09:06] <Hix> meths it is then arko :)
[09:06] <arko> Lol
[09:06] <arko> Whens the next launch?
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[09:07] <Hix> 10:30 Zulu
[09:07] <arko> 20mins away?
[09:07] <Hix> ~90 mins
[09:07] <arko> Awww darn
[09:07] <fsphil> you can do it arko!
[09:07] <Hix> must. stay. awake :)
[09:07] <fsphil> you can ..zzzzzzzz
[09:07] <arko> Thats 3:30am..
[09:07] <Hix> its the weekend
[09:08] <Hix> even in the US ;p
[09:08] <fsphil> sleep is wasted time!
[09:08] <arko> Lol, not when there is piles of hw/labs tomorrow
[09:08] <Hix> eww
[09:08] <arko> And likely recovery of my hab
[09:08] <Hix> yay
[09:08] <arko> Fsphil i agree
[09:08] <fsphil> yea you need sleep for that
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[09:08] <arko> Weel, the search and rescue team does
[09:09] <arko> I cant go
[09:09] <Hix> ArduSAR
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[09:09] <arko> Heh ya
[09:09] <Hix> kraken needs ArduSAR
[09:09] <Randomskk> pysy still not launched huh?
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[09:09] <toca> hello
[09:09] <arko> Night yall! Good luck to everyone!
[09:09] <fsphil> g'nite!
[09:09] <Hix> bye arko
[09:09] <mclane> PYSY launched, but probs with tracker
[09:09] <fsphil> Randomskk: it did, gps failed
[09:09] <mclane> no data updates
[09:09] <Randomskk> fsphil: oh bummer
[09:10] <fsphil> indeed
[09:10] <mclane> maybe even a sw bug
[09:10] <mclane> we can still receive it
[09:10] <Hix> so is there sound on batc?
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[09:10] <fsphil> no sonud
[09:10] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[09:10] <fsphil> sound too
[09:10] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry
[09:11] <Hix> thought not, someone said they had sound
[09:11] <Hix> streamis solid though Upu_M0UPU
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[09:12] <Upu_M0UPU> 3G is great here
[09:12] <Hix> Upu_M0UPU: camera - shouldnt you be lurking in the background :)
[09:13] <fsphil> lol
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[09:14] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: In a field launching @Raspberry_Pi with @daveake #ukhas http://t.co/lhkguzXHiS [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/323001336402698241]
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[09:16] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: Good luck! RT @AnthonyStirk: In a field launching @Raspberry_Pi with @daveake #ukhas http://t.co/fXAhiEBhYH [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/323001663524843520]
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[09:18] <costyn> morning all
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[09:18] <lz1dev> moring costyn
[09:18] <Hix> hi costyn & chrisstubbs
[09:18] <chrisstubbs> allritee
[09:18] <S_Mark> Hello
[09:18] <Hix> looks like it was a nice morning to launch chrisstubbs
[09:19] <Hix> if it didnt end up in the north sea
[09:19] <costyn> hmmm I wonder why not more people are using ustream since it has sound :)
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[09:19] <chrisstubbs> yp predictor still says north sea :P
[09:19] <fsphil> batc can have sound too
[09:20] <fsphil> they've not enabled it
[09:20] <costyn> fsphil: ah
[09:20] <costyn> fsphil: just it seemed to please people during my launch :)
[09:20] <Hix> suppose it eats precious bandwidth
[09:20] <Hix> especially on 3G
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[09:20] <costyn> I guess so... mine was streaming through wifi at our launch site
[09:20] <fsphil> can't have the bad language either :)
[09:20] <costyn> quality of batc is better over 3G than ustream
[09:21] <mfa298> I keep wondering how it works for 3G as most of it is upstream bandwidth and I'm not sure if 3G options count all data or just downstream
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[09:22] <chrisstubbs> right i have jobs to do! be back in a bit for lift off ;)
[09:22] <Hix> I've got to sort someones wifi out at 11:00 :/
[09:23] <Hix> might be a bodge job :)
[09:23] <fsphil> ethernet :)
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[09:23] <mfa298> Hix: surely you have the incentive to get it working so you can get the streams up, then they can repay you with beer and you use their internet to watch the streams
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[09:23] <Hix> dont think their phones have cat5 fsphil :)
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[09:24] <Hix> mfa298: I will be paid in beer anyhow, though I'll be getting out of there ASAP
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[09:24] <WillDuckworth> thought steve was there too
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[09:27] <willdude123> Hi, what are the freqs for PIE5?
[09:27] <Hix> AVA 434.450Mhz 7N2 50 baud
[09:27] <Maxell> willdude123: check the spacenear.us/tracker
[09:27] <Hix> PI Dual TX 434.068/434.074Mhz 8N1 300 baud
[09:27] <Hix> XABEN 434.350 7N1 50 baud
[09:27] <number10> look at spacenear
[09:27] <willdude123> K
[09:27] <Maxell> Here we go! vennootschap
[09:28] <Maxell> lol, clipboard fail
[09:28] <Maxell> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[09:28] <fsphil> images!
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[09:29] <costyn> Maxell: is the habtrackerpc on ?
[09:29] <fsphil> partial image anyway :)
[09:29] <fsphil> looks like 3G has died
[09:30] <fsphil> and back
[09:31] <Maxell> costyn: it is and I'm ready to tune
[09:31] <Maxell> it's already tuned
[09:31] <mediaing> Hi guys how often do launch events like the one in camebridge happen. Just stumbled uppon this through the raspberry pi blog. The tracking network ist quite fascinating.
[09:31] <Maxell> costyn: audio stream:
[09:31] <Hix> right, I'm gonna see if i can turn up early for this wifi job
[09:32] <Hix> get back for launch
[09:32] <fsphil> it depends on the weather mediaing
[09:32] <Maxell> http://[2001:610:76a:0:85eb:330e:c014:7f9d]/
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[09:32] <mfa298> are others finding the BATC feed is lagging lots ?
[09:32] <costyn> Maxell: nice one
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[09:33] <bubblegum> not at all mfa298
[09:33] <mediaing> fsphill would have setup a tracker radio if i knew this earlier. defenitly will do for the next event. the radio will be in berlin
[09:33] <gonzo_mob> anything up yet?
[09:33] <fsphil> not yet
[09:34] <bubblegum> another hour (just under) til launch due
[09:34] <mfa298> mediaing: there's not always flights from the cambridge area but there are similar flights from other places in the UK and around europe fairly regularly.
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[09:35] <gonzo_mob> ta. should be home in time for AOS
[09:35] <Hix> right all clear to turn up early, biab
[09:36] <costyn> Maxell: cool... stream works
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[09:36] <griffonbot> @willdude567: Dangling an antenna out of my sister's bedroom to track the #raspberrypi balloon. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/willdude567/status/323006869784379392]
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[09:38] <fsphil> nice one willdude123
[09:39] <mfa298> hmmm, I think I need to find more monitors, this screens getting crowded and I dont have sdr-radio or dl-fldigi running yet
[09:40] <costyn> mfa298: more people here are having that prolbem :)
[09:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> we have pysy in Polsnd
[09:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> R$$$$PYSY,755,06:34:33,49.03124,11,91966,453,8,135, 20.7, 13.6,0*E2D0
[09:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> $$$$$PYSY,756,06:34:33,49.0312411.91966,453,8,1375, 20.3, 13.6,0*62F5
[09:40] <fsphil> still no GPS lock :*
[09:40] <fsphil> :(
[09:41] <costyn> that sucks
[09:41] <costyn> did it have it at launch?
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[09:42] <fsphil> not sure, mclane?
[09:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> $$$$$PYSY,803,06:34:33,49.03124,11.91966,453,8,1375, 20.3, 13.6,0*FD00
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[09:43] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: how can those temperature readings be correct?
[09:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> $$$$$PYSY,810,06:34:33,49.03124,11.91966,453,8,1375, 20.3, 13.6,0*E142
[09:44] <costyn> it seems like it's sending the same string again and again, only changing the counter
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[09:45] <Maxell> The 'PI Dual TX' is the same signal but on different freqencies and but they do not sync so theire can be gps data while the other one is recieving SSDV?
[09:46] <costyn> Maxell: as far as I understand it yes
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[09:46] <fsphil> both are sending ssdv
[09:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> R$$$$PYSY,817,06:34:33,49.03124,11.91966,453,8,1375, 20.3, 13.6,0*7ED5
[09:46] <Maxell> But they are not in sync.
[09:46] <Maxell> Ok, good.
[09:46] <fsphil> nope
[09:46] <fsphil> each sends different data
[09:46] <Maxell> Hmm?
[09:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> still green
[09:46] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: it's the exact same string every time... it's a bug in the code :(
[09:46] <fsphil> the position telemetry will be transmitted between ssdv packets
[09:47] <willdude123> daveake: Say there
[09:47] <willdude123> *saw
[09:47] <willdude123> there were tv cameras there.
[09:47] <Maxell> fsphil: so what freq should I tune? 434.068 or 434.074Mhz
[09:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> costyn: i dont know, seq number is incerasing, also CRC is correct
[09:47] <mfa298> looks like they have one of those glowing yellow orbs in the sky over there looking at the shadows on the ground
[09:47] <Geoff-G8DHE__> Surely the GPS has frozen on PSYS
[09:47] <willdude123> What were they filming for?
[09:47] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE__ -> Geoff-G8DHE
[09:47] <fsphil> Maxell: either. or both if you can :)
[09:47] <daveake> Nice and sunny here
[09:47] <Maxell> Ok
[09:48] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: It looks like a bug... we'll have to wait for mclane to appear here, maybe he can post his code
[09:48] <daveake> Suppose we should launch sometime :)
[09:48] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: maybe it only updates the string when it has a gps lock
[09:48] <mfa298> daveake: can you send the sun to the west please
[09:48] <costyn> daveake: weather looks awesome yes
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[09:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> costyn: i dont know - ask mclane :-)
[09:49] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: I will :)
[09:49] <costyn> unbelievable amount of people online at the batc channel
[09:49] <Maxell> Only 165 chatters in IRC. Spam IRC more!
[09:49] <mclane> we think that the tracker is stuck in the loop
[09:50] <costyn> mclane: seems so... do you have your code online anywhere?
[09:50] <mclane> due to a loss of connection of one of the temp sensors
[09:50] <costyn> mclane: shame
[09:50] <DanielRichman> hey daveake - when you launch, be sure to tweet the spacenearus link. Only 150 people viewing it atm; we can do better than that
[09:50] <mclane> no code is not online and I do not have access actually
[09:51] <mclane> I have to analyze the DallasTemp library
[09:51] <DanielRichman> (tiamat is fine - buckets and buckets of capacity left)
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[09:52] <Maxell> DanielRichman: we can fix that >:)
[09:52] <WillDuckworth> are you cloudifying spacenear?
[09:52] <DanielRichman> we moved it to better hardware a little while ago
[09:52] <griffonbot> @willdude567: Sister just told me to enjoy "spying on people's birthday balloons" #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/willdude567/status/323010773842530305]
[09:52] <DanielRichman> it doesn't need to be cloudified
[09:52] <DanielRichman> we also put a cache infront of it
[09:52] <DanielRichman> the load on the server is <0.1
[09:52] <Maxell> The cloud - now with more buzzwords
[09:52] <WillDuckworth> cool - decent server (not windows)
[09:53] <bubblegum> Eh? Is this launch to celebrate the 101st birthday of the dead Nork leader?
[09:53] <DanielRichman> it's the network that will fill first
[09:53] <Maxell> It's on 100/100 mbits?
[09:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: very stable signal, maybe its laying on tge ground somewhwer near me :-)
[09:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> somewhere
[09:53] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: heheh
[09:54] <costyn> Maxell: unlikely
[09:54] <DanielRichman> Maxell: unfortunately yes
[09:54] <costyn> oh
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[09:54] <fsphil> new image data
[09:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> also SP9RQA (about 100 km east) doesnt receiving at all
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[09:55] <DanielRichman> however it's about at about 3% capacity at the moment - we'll be fine
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[09:55] <DanielRichman> we can take a _lot_ more visitors than we have currently
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[09:55] <costyn> fsphil: sortof
[09:56] <Vertigo1> so hi every one
[09:56] <NauticalUpu> filling
[09:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> PYSY's signal is fading by now
[09:56] Nick change: NauticalUpu -> Upu_M0PU
[09:56] <costyn> NauticalUpu? whaddupwitdat?
[09:56] <Upu_M0PU> no idea
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[09:56] Nick change: Upu_M0PU -> Upu_M0UPU
[09:56] <costyn> Upu_M0PU: practical joke by someone?
[09:57] <mfa298> 100mb should handle a lots of users, the only time bandwidth becomes an issue is when you have video streaming on that server
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[09:57] <DanielRichman> mfa298: things get interesting when there are a lot of people on the map and a lot of people opening and closing the tracker
[09:57] <DanielRichman> but yes, we will be fine
[09:57] <DanielRichman> *points on the map
[09:57] <willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: What were the TV cameras filming for?
[09:57] <costyn> shame we don't have more german trackers
[09:58] <recantha2> SkyTV, apparently WillDude
[09:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> costyn: poles does the job :-)
[09:58] <willdude123> O.O
[09:58] <mclane> if you can receive it in Poland it must be really high!
[09:58] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: yep you guys compensate nicely
[09:58] <Maxell> mclane: it's going to float over .de and .pl :P
[09:58] <mclane> (which was the target)
[09:58] <Maxell> famous last words
[09:59] <mclane> Prediction was a flight over south of Czech Republic / Austria
[09:59] <daveake> willdude123 Bloomberg
[09:59] <mclane> we still have a nice signal with a small 7 element yagi on the terrasse
[10:00] <costyn> mclane: is there a backup tracker?
[10:00] <costyn> mclane: were there plans for recovery?
[10:00] <mclane> no
[10:01] <mclane> we planned for a recovery; but without coords that is not feasible
[10:01] <costyn> indeed
[10:01] <mclane> we can still receive it here in Regensburg
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[10:02] <bubblegum> how much planning goes into things like this?
[10:02] <mclane> nicely; using a 7 elem. Yagi / habamp/ Yaesu VR500
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[10:02] <costyn> bubblegum: for your first balloon, you're usually working on it about a year (in your spare time)
[10:02] <costyn> after you have experience it goes quicker
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[10:03] <Maxell> Or reuse hardware :P
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[10:03] <costyn> Maxell: yep, which is why for our next one we only have to make the camera platform
[10:04] <Maxell> :P
[10:04] <costyn> "only" :)
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[10:04] <raspitv2> Hi Liz
[10:04] <test____> whats the internet connection being used to stream the data from the ground base
[10:04] <test____> ?
[10:04] <Darkside> some 3g connection
[10:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: still stable signal
[10:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> mostly green
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> ok fill time
[10:05] <mclane> yea, I also receive it
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> stream still ok ?
[10:05] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: yep, ssdv not so much
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> ok yeah rx issues
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> * flat batteries on Daves reciever
[10:05] <costyn> heh
[10:06] <DanielRichman> Upu_M0UPU: do you want live predictions?
[10:06] <Upu_M0UPU> no
[10:06] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[10:06] <DanielRichman> okay
[10:06] <Maxell> nks? :P
[10:07] <recantha2> Ah there goes the gas
[10:07] <griffonbot> @gidauria: RT @daveake: This weekend's European float attempts written up at The Rgister http://t.co/IycGYdpmMF #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/gidauria/status/323014665124855808]
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[10:10] <mclane> do you still see it in Poland?
[10:11] <mclane> signal gets weak here
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[10:12] <mclane> burst?
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[10:14] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: yes, but signal is fading
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[10:15] <DL5SFI_Steffen> is it too windy?
[10:15] <Darkside> hah no
[10:15] <fsphil> that's not bad compared to some launches :)
[10:15] <costyn> almost ready to go
[10:15] <mclane> yea drifting downwards in freq
[10:16] <chrisstubbs> lol dave's shirt
[10:16] <Darkside> we've done launches where the balloon train was down to about 30 degrees off the deck
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[10:16] <Darkside> with the balloon almost hitting the ground
[10:17] <cuddykid> lots of people here this morning :)
[10:17] <DL5SFI_Steffen> is the "AVA" balloon fly with APRS?
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes when over countriees that allow it
[10:18] <fsphil> yes
[10:18] <chrisstubbs> DL5SFI_Steffen, yes it is, but only in countries which allow it
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[10:19] <DL5SFI_Steffen> very nice APRS on 144.800 Gates there are plenty of
[10:19] <Maxell> also in .de?
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[10:21] <M0TVU> moaning
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[10:21] <DL5SFI_Steffen> in Germany, but Amateur Radio APRS on 144.800 made hi
[10:21] <costyn> M0TVU: good moaning to you too
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[10:21] <M0TVU> what's the shift for AVA?
[10:22] <craag_M0DNY> DL5SFI_Steffen: Yep, the transmitter is on 144.8
[10:22] <Upu_M0UPU> filling no2
[10:22] <Upu_M0UPU> will launch together
[10:22] <Darkside> k
[10:22] <craag_M0DNY> :D
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[10:22] <GMT> will you 'launch when ready', or wait until they're all ready and do a mass launch?
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[10:23] <willdude123> Camera needs to be moved :(
[10:23] <test____> balook outside field of view
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[10:23] <costyn> Maxell: http://goo.gl/maps/S3sLm
[10:23] <fsphil> 105 packets.. this image is *huge*
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[10:24] <costyn> Maxell: green countries is where APRS is turned on
[10:24] <test____> rotate the camera!
[10:24] <Maxell> red is off, and yellow is?
[10:24] <fsphil> they're not launching just yet
[10:24] <G0TDJ> Hi Folks
[10:24] <costyn> Maxell: yellow is status unsure, so it's off afaik
[10:24] <craag_M0DNY> Maxell: Yellow is unknown, so off. Red is known to be not allowed.
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[10:24] <Maxell> Why didn't we put more pressure on the yellow ones?
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[10:25] <test____> another launch at the same time?
[10:25] <fsphil> both are being launched at the same time
[10:25] <craag_M0DNY> Maxell: A lot of people don't actually know..
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[10:25] <craag_M0DNY> The law tends to be quite unclear.
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[10:25] <Maxell> meh
[10:25] <costyn> I think they're hoping to get pictures of AVA being taken by PIE on the way up
[10:25] <diodesign> hello
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[10:26] <costyn> diodesign: hi
[10:26] <willdude123> Doubt I'll receive anything.
[10:26] <Darkside> heh
[10:26] <Darkside> costyn: heh
[10:27] <Darkside> like our double launch last year
[10:27] <Maxell> fsphil: 126 packets and counting...
[10:27] <fsphil> at the speed ssdv works, it's optimistic :)
[10:27] <costyn> Darkside: yea, I'm sure daveake can't resist to try that again
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[10:27] <Maxell> Did you time when it started transmitting? How long does one image take?
[10:27] <GMT> willdude: a launch from the same site lasy week was heard/decoded from Southampton
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[10:27] <willdude123> Who's G8GTZ
[10:27] <fsphil> time for image depends on the complexity of the image
[10:27] <willdude123> He's near me on the map.
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[10:27] <LokisSword> I'm looking forward to seeing if I can get anything on my SDR
[10:28] <fsphil> images taken on the ground tend to be large because of all the details (grass, trees, etc)
[10:28] <mclane> Tomek, do you still receive PYSY??
[10:28] <willdude123> O.O Kempshottian.
[10:28] <willdude123> :)
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[10:28] <costyn> heh... daveake's HABmobile
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[10:28] <costyn> test____: hehe
[10:29] <costyn> test____: good point
[10:29] <Maxell> fsphil: needs moar jpeg compression
[10:29] <Maxell> and less pixels :P
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[10:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.qrz.com/db/G8GTZ <willdude123>
[10:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: yes
[10:29] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: mostly green
[10:29] <Hiena> And that somebody use a decent camera mount or tripod.
[10:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane:$$$$$PYSY,1002,06:34:33,49.03124,11.91966,453,8,1375, 20.3, 13.6,0*A7E6
[10:30] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: G8GTZ lives in Basingstoke
[10:30] <willdude123> Cool, I do too :)
[10:30] <mclane> cool - its a pitty since we think that the balloon went quite high
[10:30] <m0psi> hi all, a bit out of touch; i only see one balloon on the spacenear.us map. is daveake and upu still flying today?
[10:30] <craag_M0DNY> He's got quite an eviable setup on top of a hill as well :P
[10:30] <craag_M0DNY> *enviable
[10:30] <m0psi> is there a tv feed somewhere?
[10:30] <craag_M0DNY> m0psi: batc.tv/streams/ukhas
[10:30] <costyn> m0psi: http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3&id=1010
[10:30] <willdude123> craag_M0DNY: Is he on IRC?
[10:31] <m0psi> thanks
[10:31] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: Yep, he doesn't tend to watch it much though, and is playing with SDR Radio at the moment.
[10:31] <willdude123> craag_M0DNY: I didn't think anyone near me cared about hab.
[10:31] <willdude123> :)
[10:31] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: He's helped me out on a couple of my pico launches, but doesn't have much time to track the regular flights.
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[10:32] Action: willdude123 wonders if there's a basingstoke ham club
[10:32] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: THere is!
[10:32] <craag_M0DNY> Basingstoke ARC
[10:32] <craag_M0DNY> A warning though, their mean age is quite high.
[10:32] Action: daemoneye now wishes he had packet radio setup
[10:33] <willdude123> craag_M0DNY: The website is donw :(
[10:33] <test____> http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3&id=1010
[10:33] <GMT> I would expect the 'mean age' of most radio clubs to be quite high, but they always welcome newcomers
[10:33] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: So it is...
[10:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> mclane: is out
[10:34] <GMT> daemoneye: this isn't using packet radio
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[10:34] <G8GTZ> Hi Willdude - I'm in Kempshott
[10:34] <mclane> ok, I still receive it but no decodes
[10:34] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/BasingstokeARClub/
[10:34] <G8GTZ> Anyone got a frequency check?
[10:35] <Maxell> DanielRichman: http://habhub.org/istiamatdeadyet lies
[10:35] <Maxell> Oh, it works again :-)
[10:35] <GMT> GTZ: not laucnhed yet, but 434.450 for one flight
[10:35] <fsphil> tiamat is just fine :)
[10:35] <daemoneye> woops... misread the page earlier
[10:35] <costyn> weird... some of my chat messages on the batc channel aren't getting through
[10:35] <DL5SFI_Steffen> APRS station is not yet online? M0UPU-11 is still in Bradford! :)
[10:36] <costyn> DL5SFI_Steffen: it'll only turn on once above NL
[10:36] <fsphil> APRS won't be enabled until it's outside UK airspace
[10:36] <craag_M0DNY> costyn: me too :|
[10:36] <willdude123> craag_M0DNY: Thanks, but yahoo groups is blocked for me.
[10:36] <DanielRichman> Maxell: we have loooots of omonitoring
[10:36] <DanielRichman> tiamat's just fine right now
[10:36] <G0TDJ> G8GTZ de G0TDJ - Info on: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/12/pi_camera_launch/
[10:36] <GMT> update: Tiamat, still fine ...
[10:36] Last message repeated 3 time(s).
[10:36] <DL5SFI_Steffen> ok fine
[10:36] <fsphil> how's it now GMT?
[10:37] <GMT> wait, I will check ...
[10:37] <GMT> update: Tiamat, still fine ...
[10:37] <fsphil> ah phew
[10:37] <costyn> geez... 390 people on the batc chat
[10:37] <GMT> I knew you'd be worried about it!
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[10:37] <costyn> how did this get so popular?!?
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[10:37] <PierreS> hi
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[10:38] <costyn> Upu please point the camera for uS!!!!
[10:38] <G0TDJ> @costyn I think it's because of the 'Pis popularity
[10:38] <GMT> Costyn: if we don't have anything interesting to talk about we default to checking on Tiamat
[10:38] <x-f> costyn, oh7lzb posted it on facebook yesterday
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[10:38] <costyn> YES YES
[10:38] <costyn> thanks Upu
[10:38] <daveake> About to launch
[10:38] <Maxell> AWWWW RIGHT
[10:39] <G0TDJ> Here we go!
[10:39] <bubblegum> +1 ty
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[10:39] <costyn> daveake: 390 people watching
[10:39] <fsphil> don't trip
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[10:39] <costyn> focus!
[10:39] <costyn> down in front!
[10:39] <costyn> (sorry)
[10:39] <Maxell> :P
[10:39] <Maxell> costyn: look at the pixel there
[10:39] <Maxell> :P
[10:39] <bubblegum> moving camera *really* brings action to life
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[10:41] <costyn> crappy wind
[10:41] <G0TDJ> Very gusty!
[10:42] <G0TDJ> What's the bearing of the wind?
[10:42] <chrisstubbs> NW by the looks of it
[10:42] <costyn> Darkside: you were saying about the low angle of dangle? :P
[10:42] <Darkside> yeah
[10:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> there is a particular reason why aprs is only turned on outside the UK?
[10:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> want to save electricity? :)
[10:42] <Darkside> i think we'r ebreaking BATC
[10:42] <G0TDJ> Cheers Chris
[10:42] <costyn> Darkside: looks horrific
[10:42] <Darkside> DL5SFI_Steffen: regulations
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[10:42] <test____> pi in the air!
[10:43] <fsphil> the angle of the dangle? likely to mangle?
[10:43] <costyn> wheeeee
[10:43] <M0TVU> Is it normal to have the balloons under filled like that?
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[10:43] <G0TDJ> And there off!
[10:43] <costyn> M0TVU: for floaters yes
[10:43] <M0TVU> oh i see
[10:43] <bubblegum> woooo :P
[10:43] <fsphil> ava updated on the map
[10:43] <fsphil> PIE too
[10:43] <G0TDJ> Tracking on http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:43] <costyn> now give us SSDV plox
[10:43] <Maxell> zomg
[10:44] <fsphil> and already G8KNN receiving
[10:44] <DL5SFI_Steffen> good fligh
[10:44] <fsphil> still an image from the ground
[10:44] <costyn> Upu looks pleased
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[10:44] <Darkside> jeez thats a slow ascent rate
[10:44] <Darkside> thatll be going for a while
[10:45] <fsphil> it'll speed up a bit
[10:45] <Darkside> yah
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[10:45] <fsphil> maybe
[10:45] <costyn> Darkside: heh... well considering what happened last weekend I don't blame them
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[10:45] <Upu_M0UPU> up
[10:45] <Darkside> i think the horizontal speed is faster than the vertical speed
[10:45] <Upu_M0UPU> that was so slow ascent
[10:45] <willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: Ready to track here...
[10:45] <daveake> In one case, very small value of "up"
[10:45] <Upu_M0UPU> nearly hit streems
[10:45] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: you guys had to run like mad?
[10:45] <Darkside> Upu_M0UPU: we saw
[10:45] <Upu_M0UPU> trees
[10:46] <willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: I'm dangling an antenna out of my sister's bedroom.
[10:46] <Darkside> lol AVA has a negative ascent rate
[10:46] <Darkside> jeez
[10:46] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: there are like close to 400 people on the livestream... nuts
[10:46] <willdude123> Upu_M0UPU: She's not too happy about that.
[10:46] <fsphil> oh wow, that is slow
[10:46] <Darkside> that wind is keeping them down
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[10:46] <Darkside> too much drag
[10:46] <Darkside> oh man
[10:46] <Darkside> seriousl
[10:46] <fsphil> ava's floating already :)
[10:46] <Darkside> AVA is goign almost horizontal
[10:46] <fsphil> and comign down
[10:46] <costyn> wtf
[10:46] <Darkside> oh dear
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[10:47] <Darkside> might want to chase after that one
[10:47] <eroomde> jcoxon: does this bring back memories? :)
[10:47] <costyn> measuring necklift must've been a chore with that wind
[10:47] <fsphil> yea steady descent
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[10:47] <costyn> eek
[10:47] <m0psi> yes, seems like someone needs to get into a car!
[10:47] <Darkside> wind is overpowering the lift
[10:47] <G0TDJ> Can anyone say Tripod....
[10:47] <fsphil> pull up!
[10:47] <Darkside> oh sheeeeet
[10:47] <bubblegum> I've got a sinking feeling
[10:48] <Darkside> now its going back up a little
[10:48] <Darkside> >_>
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[10:48] <fsphil> lol
[10:48] <Darkside> wow
[10:48] <fsphil> and again
[10:48] <Darkside> thats a bit scary
[10:48] <jcoxon> hey eroomde
[10:48] <eroomde> yo
[10:48] <jcoxon> windy launch?
[10:48] <fsphil> I think Upu_M0UPU may just have had a panic attack :)
[10:48] <costyn> jcoxon: very
[10:48] <x-f> thanks to whoever operated the camera this time!
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[10:49] <jcoxon> eeek
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[10:49] <eroomde> jcoxon: letting go and having it be slightly negative
[10:49] <eroomde> and having to chase after it
[10:49] <G0TDJ> Anyone else having problems with the streaming video?
[10:49] <m0psi> looks like a FID (free induction decay) :-)
[10:49] <jcoxon> and that sinking feeling...
[10:49] <mfa298> I guess there could be some interesting thermals around making it drop
[10:49] <Darkside> G0TDJ: theres a LOT of people watching
[10:49] <SpeedEvil> is there any terrain around ava?
[10:49] <Maxell> G0TDJ: not loading here too
[10:49] <Darkside> thats a better ascent rate for ava..
[10:49] <fsphil> and now it's going faster than PIE
[10:49] <costyn> G0TDJ: stream is off
[10:49] <costyn> G0TDJ: not much point in any case
[10:49] <G0TDJ> @Darkside OK Not getting a thing here at all
[10:49] <jcoxon> data says it high enoughto be safe
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[10:50] <fsphil> it's rather cool seeing two images coming in at the same time
[10:50] <costyn> jcoxon: unless it meets some high power lines?
[10:50] <SpeedEvil> woodpecker on payload
[10:50] <Darkside> i think the SSDV payload needs an uplink
[10:50] <jcoxon> wrong direction if i remember correctly
[10:50] <Darkside> so you can tell it to skip the current image
[10:50] <Upu_M0UPU> phew
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[10:50] <jcoxon> power lines are to the south
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[10:50] <Darkside> Upu_M0UPU: that was a bit freaky
[10:50] <fsphil> Darkside: or code to detect launch
[10:50] <Darkside> fsphil: yeah
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[10:50] <Darkside> or a button
[10:50] <Darkside> to have it take a new picture
[10:51] <Darkside> press it just before launch
[10:51] <Upu_M0UPU> didn't like that
[10:51] <costyn> still transferring the old pic?
[10:51] <Darkside> yup
[10:51] <fsphil> costyn: yea
[10:51] <fsphil> looking much healthier now
[10:51] <fsphil> Upu_M0UPU: breath in. breath out
[10:51] <costyn> lol
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[10:52] <fsphil> the altitude difference is changing the course of both
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/
[10:52] <costyn> think it would still be nice to have a predicted path on the tracker
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[10:53] <m0psi> what are the urls for the streams?
[10:53] <fsphil> looking at the ascent rate, I don't think I'm gonna be receiving either payload here :)
[10:53] <willdude123> fsphil: Me neither.
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[10:53] <fsphil> you should be in range willdude123
[10:53] <fsphil> it might just take a while
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[10:53] <Upu_M0UPU> stream is down atm
[10:54] <Maxell> ah
[10:54] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry we thought we were going to have to chase a ball of h2 bouncing on the ground
[10:54] <fsphil> JPEG does not like trees
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[10:54] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: haha
[10:54] <fsphil> the PiCam must definitely have an IR filter in it -- the grass is the correct colour
[10:54] <fsphil> on my cameras green plants appear red
[10:54] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: You may not get anything until you're inside the green circle, I don't from here.
[10:55] <m0psi> upu_m0upu: do you have the phone number bomb disposal squad
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[10:55] <Upu_M0UPU> coming down again :/
[10:55] <willdude123> Fuck.
[10:55] <willdude123> My internet's down.
[10:55] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: just some thermals again perhaps?
[10:55] <Darkside> too floppy
[10:55] <mclane> signal gone finally
[10:55] <fsphil> willdude123: no it isn't
[10:55] <vk4tec> not moving on aprs
[10:55] <willdude123> Well, port 80
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[10:55] <mfa298> looking at how the rate is changing I'm guessing thermals or similar
[10:55] <Darkside> vk4tec: they can't use APRS in the air in the UK
[10:55] <fsphil> vk4tec: aprs won't operate inside the UK
[10:55] <halli-crazy> Is that google earth data available to us?
[10:55] <willdude123> For some damned reason .
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[10:56] <Darkside> vk4tec: <- VK5QI, Project Horus
[10:56] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, DNS
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes lower right hand corner of tracker window
[10:56] <mfa298> rough prediction for PIE based on current ascent rate http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=0fb3755fb74f16560b847de2f1fb0224b9850e39
[10:56] <willdude123> Damn thing.
[10:57] <halli-crazy> Great! I missed that! :)
[10:57] <costyn> mfa298: thanks!
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[10:57] <Pi____> Hi
[10:57] <costyn> hmmm those trees are gonna take a while eh
[10:57] <fsphil> and going up again
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[10:58] <fsphil> image 5 is nearly done, image 7 will start after
[10:58] <fsphil> the beauty of dual channels
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[10:58] <Darkside> fsphil: ohhhhhh
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[10:58] <Darkside> fsphil: i was wondering how you were doing that
[10:58] <Darkside> fsphil: hows he doing the dual outputs, ftdi?
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[10:58] <fsphil> he has a small arduino board acting as a multiplexer
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[10:58] <Darkside> fsphil: lol
[10:59] <willdude123> chrisstubbs: It's working, but the map isn't loading.
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[10:59] <willdude123> Any suggestions?
[10:59] <chrisstubbs> kick router :P
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[10:59] <Pi____> Pie currently going over A1123
[11:00] <willdude123> :(
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[11:00] <willdude123> Fuck my laptop.
[11:00] <chrisstubbs> restart it
[11:00] <Darkside> willdude123: each to his own
[11:00] <willdude123> That wasn't an instruction.
[11:00] <cmfredys> try to zoom out
[11:00] <willdude123> Tried.
[11:00] <Pi____> PIE Time: 2013-04-13 10:59:49 Position: 52.33271,-0.04931 Altitude: 1333 m Rate: 1.5 m/s Max. Altitude: 1333 m Heading: 28° Speed: 35 km/h Satellites: 11 Receivers: G8KNN
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[11:01] <Darkside> Pi____: you do not need to post that in here
[11:01] <costyn> impressively low ascent rates
[11:01] <jcoxon> shall we clear some of the map?
[11:01] <jcoxon> unless SP9UOB_Tom is planning to launch?
[11:01] <Darkside> fsphil: uhm
[11:01] <willdude123> Fucking laptop.
[11:01] <Darkside> i think somethign broked
[11:01] <fsphil> Darkside: um indeed
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[11:02] <Darkside> fsphil: get on it :P
[11:02] <jcoxon> willdude123, language please
[11:02] <Darkside> haha image 7 is on the ground too
[11:02] <Darkside> aww
[11:02] <costyn> aargh
[11:02] <Maxell> noez
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[11:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: im not launching
[11:03] <NickSF> will the camera have cached a half dozen images to send back? of which most will be on the ground...
[11:03] <mfa298> I think daveake said it choose an image out of all the ones taken since the previous one started
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[11:03] <Darkside> it choses the image with the most detail
[11:03] <jcoxon> can we clear your tracker?
[11:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: just testing my sputnik - im offline by now
[11:03] <mfa298> when it chooses an image it moves all the other options into a different folder
[11:03] <SP9UOB_Tom> jcoxon: as of me - sure
[11:04] <mfa298> so the next images should be in the air
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[11:04] <craag_M0DNY> SO basically, it's been programmed to choose the one with the most trees...
[11:04] <cmfredys> ^^
[11:04] <x-f> HABs like trees
[11:04] <costyn> x-f: hehe
[11:04] <SP9UOB_Tom> but HABbers dont
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[11:05] <costyn> mclane: not muhc point in keeping pysy on the map any more is there?
[11:05] <costyn> mclane: anybody still receiving it?
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[11:05] <Maxell> costyn: what freq should we monitor? SSDV or go for a gps location stream?
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[11:05] <LokisSword> Anyone else receiving anything from Pie or AVA?
[11:05] <cmfredys> mhh, they said they're nearly out of batteries...
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[11:05] <jcoxon> 200!
[11:05] <fsphil> hah
[11:05] <costyn> Maxell: errr... afaik they're interspersed... so you get both in 1 stream
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> No that was there receivers on the dround
[11:06] <fsphil> congrats jcoxon :)
[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> *ground
[11:06] <mfa298> Maxell: on PIE the telem and the images are on the same freq
[11:06] <Maxell> Ah, i'll just tune what comes by first
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[11:07] <mfa298> PIE has two streams both with images and telem, and they're close together so you should be able to get both with a single sdr
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[11:08] <wdb> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=0fb3755fb74f16560b847de2f1fb0224b9850e39
[11:09] <craag_M0DNY> Here's me all set up watching the waterfall, I'd forgotten how slow they were going to ascend. Time for a cup of tea!
[11:09] <mclane> costyn: you can remove PYSY
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> <LokisSword> Wait for the Green circle to get close to you that's the radio horizon
[11:09] <LokisSword> <Geoff-G8DHE> Thank you - first time tracker :)
[11:10] <fsphil> You don't have to put the <> around nicks btw :)
[11:11] <Darkside> Geoff-G8DHE: blue circle is radio horizon
[11:11] <Darkside> green circle is where the payload is 5 degrees above the horizon
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[11:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your using only a simple aerial then you will need to wait for a the green in many cases! ;-)
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[11:12] <willdude123> Doesn't look like I'll be receiving anything.
[11:12] <Maxell> Not may people picked up the signal yet :)
[11:13] <G8GTZ> Is the pie on .068 just sending sstv - strong signal but no decodes...
[11:13] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: Be patient for the green circle, then take a look.
[11:13] <willdude123> Might as well give up now.
[11:13] <willdude123> Does it expand?
[11:13] <Maxell> As it moves up.
[11:13] <craag_M0DNY> Yes, as the balloon goes up.
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[11:14] <craag_M0DNY> As these are going to float, they are unusually (and painfully) slow at going up :)
[11:14] <G8GTZ> Got it already and been getting decodes on ava for last 10 mins...
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[11:14] <craag_M0DNY> G8GTZ: :P
[11:14] <G8GTZ> so the answer on pie decodes was?
[11:14] <mfa298> craag_M0DNY: although possibly not as painful for us as it was for Upu_M0UPU
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[11:14] <LokisSword> G8GTZ: What radio / antennae setup have you got?
[11:15] <craag_M0DNY> mfa298: Indeed not :P
[11:15] <craag_M0DNY> G8GTZ: It should be 300 baud rtty.
[11:15] <G8GTZ> 19 ele tonna - sub 1dB noise figure - ft 897
[11:15] <craag_M0DNY> ^^ and on top of a massive hill
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[11:16] <costyn> gee... pics still coming in very slowly, even at 300baud
[11:16] <M0TVU> almost - $$&RAFa,577,11:152.38384,-0209x,|
[11:16] <costyn> jcoxon: mclane said we could remove PYSY and chase can from the tracker as well
[11:17] <Upu_M0UPU> APRS works :)
[11:17] <lz1dev> \o/
[11:17] <Upu_M0UPU> tx twice as it was bouncing on the ground
[11:18] <Darkside> lol
[11:18] <costyn> bouncing...
[11:18] <costyn> aargh
[11:18] <Upu_M0UPU> shut down now though
[11:18] <Darkside> only 6 sats?
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[11:19] <costyn> how come so little listeners? there are enough within range
[11:19] <Maxell> costyn: I wonder the same
[11:20] <chrisstubbs> i got nout in chelmsford as of yet
[11:20] <costyn> maybe the 300 baud is hard
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[11:20] <lz1dev> Upu_M0UPU: is ava reporting sats only when APRS is on ?
[11:20] <craag_M0DNY> It's still not high at all, and there aren't many listeners aroudn there.
[11:20] <fsphil> G8GTZ: the ssdv data will appear as gibberish
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[11:20] <fsphil> you should get a string of text every 30 seconds or so
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[11:21] <Maxell> costyn: we'll see as soon as it can be heard from revspace
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[11:21] <costyn> Maxell: 300 is going to be tough though
[11:21] <willdude123> Why does it take so slong to get high?
[11:21] <willdude123> *long
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[11:21] <lz1dev> willdude123: thats the magic of floaters
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[11:22] <Maxell> costyn: I have faith in this one
[11:22] <G8GTZ> Habrotate auto tracker working well ;-)
[11:22] <craag_M0DNY> :)
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[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> <willdude123> Less lift in the balloon so it won't burst but keep flaoting, hence longer to wait for it to rise higher
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[11:23] <G8GTZ> Pie is loud but no decodes ;-(
[11:23] <Maxell> G8GTZ: sweet!
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[11:24] <Maxell> G8GTZ: wait 30 seconds, SSDV packets look like gebberish
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[11:24] <craag_M0DNY> G8GTZ: Have you opened the Receive filter up to ~320 hz?
[11:24] <costyn> fsphil: is there checksums being done on ssdv images?
[11:24] <red7> hi guys
[11:24] <fsphil> costyn: yes
[11:24] Nick change: mike -> Guest96456
[11:24] <just> hi
[11:24] <craag_M0DNY> G8GTZ: To widen the red bars.
[11:24] <G8GTZ> aah 8n1 - flidigi sets it to 8n2 by default
[11:24] <costyn> fsphil: by dl-fldigi or the server?
[11:24] <fsphil> costyn: dl-fldigi
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[11:25] <fsphil> costyn: well both
[11:25] <costyn> ah
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[11:26] <fsphil> is that steve in image 6?
[11:26] <costyn> are both the PIE streams at 300 baud?
[11:26] <fsphil> yes
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[11:26] <willdude123> This will take a while :(
[11:26] <costyn> willdude123: yep, likely the rest of the day
[11:26] <willdude123> Doubt the green ring will ever come over me.
[11:27] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: I'm further south-west than you! I've got longer to wait...
[11:27] <costyn> willdude123: it'll be a couple hours before they reach a significant height
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[11:27] <Maxell> costyn: ready to rock \o/
[11:27] <mfa298> remember they're still only about 1/10 the height they'll go to
[11:28] <costyn> Maxell: good :)
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[11:28] <fsphil> here we go
[11:28] <fsphil> image 8
[11:28] <lz1dev> new image
[11:28] <lz1dev> !
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[11:28] <fsphil> clouds
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[11:28] <costyn> looks like a bouncy take-off image
[11:28] <lz1dev> first one to guess whats on it gets free hab poitns
[11:28] <fsphil> it does
[11:28] <costyn> motion blurred
[11:28] <fsphil> lz1dev: clouds :)
[11:28] <fsphil> it might not be actually
[11:29] <G8GTZ> still no pie decodes...
[11:29] <fsphil> hmm
[11:29] <costyn> as always F5APQ is the proverbial early bird :)
[11:29] <fsphil> G8GTZ: have you the rtty parameters correct?
[11:29] <lz1dev> ahh
[11:29] <lz1dev> the good ol' trees
[11:29] <PyPi> It looks like the camera was against someones clothes
[11:29] <G8GTZ> 300 baud 8n1 600 spacing
[11:29] <Jonners> Newbie Question, why is the AVA APRS not being tracked on here? http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[11:30] <costyn> Jonners: APRS is not on yet
[11:30] <fsphil> Jonners: aprs is not enabled until it reaches europe
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[11:30] <costyn> Jonners: only when outside UK airspace
[11:30] <fsphil> we're not allowed to use amateur radio from a balloon in the UK
[11:30] <Jonners> Doh! thank you
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[11:30] <lz1dev> looks like an UFO
[11:30] <lz1dev> :P
[11:30] <fsphil> I give up lol
[11:30] <fsphil> no idea
[11:30] <Maxell> lz1dev: it's still a UFO
[11:30] <Maxell> :P
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[11:30] <Maxell> you guys didn't guessed yet!
[11:31] <fsphil> maybe it's AVA
[11:31] <costyn> I think PyPi is right
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[11:31] <costyn> looks like Dave's white shirt and dark pants
[11:31] <lz1dev> /o\
[11:31] <Upu_M0UPU> steve is just setting up to launch Xaben
[11:32] <costyn> this image selection algorithm neends some tweaking
[11:32] <fsphil> lol
[11:32] <griffonbot> @VK2MB: RT @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/VK2MB/status/323035888563138561]
[11:32] <Maxell> PI Dual TX 434.068/434.074Mhz 8N1 300 baud
[11:32] <fsphil> I'm surprised it choose that image
[11:32] <Maxell> autoconfigue gives me 8N2
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[11:32] <PyPi> It must have been just before launch when the payload was being handled.
[11:32] <fsphil> 8N2
[11:32] <fsphil> yes please use autoconfigure
[11:33] <fsphil> select the correct payload, and just press that button
[11:33] <G8GTZ> says 8n1 in box on spacenearus...
[11:33] <lz1dev> ok my guess is, a crotch
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[11:33] <fsphil> G8GTZ: likely a typo
[11:33] <Maxell> fuckt
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[11:33] <Maxell> :(
[11:33] <Maxell> grrrmbl
[11:34] <fsphil> fldigi works better with two stop bits
[11:34] <fsphil> at the higher bit rates anyway
[11:34] <G8GTZ> still no decodes not even garbage - using fldigi for hab right...
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[11:34] <fsphil> G8GTZ: can you take a screenshot please
[11:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> dl-fldigi for HAB
[11:34] <G8GTZ> Aaaah just got a red bad decode ;-)
[11:35] <costyn> I think we need to give PIE a Bayesian classifier algorithm. Train it with lots of pics with examples of what we want and ones we don't want
[11:35] <Maxell> All Dutchies: incoming!!1
[11:35] <fsphil> G8GTZ: also make sure SQL is off in the bottom right
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[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Trinagle in lower right corner in the green as well
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[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> *Triangle
[11:36] <PE2G> Hi, I'm confused, is PIE setting 8n1 or 8n2?
[11:36] <fsphil> 8N2
[11:36] <chrisstubbs> 8n1
[11:36] <fsphil> use autoconfigure
[11:36] <costyn> lol
[11:36] <chrisstubbs> oops yeah sorry
[11:36] <fsphil> I'll fix spacenear
[11:36] <PE2G> OK, Thanks
[11:36] <Gareth79> ah, I've got a slow chirp here on 434.070/074
[11:36] <pebkac> I am confued too- can someone post a URL where i can track the flight please?
[11:36] <costyn> so yea, it was dave's shirt/pants on this pic
[11:37] <PyPi> Pictures coming faster now.
[11:37] <costyn> pebkac: spacenear.us/tracker
[11:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[11:37] <pebkac> yeah - but that only shows text to me!
[11:37] <costyn> pebkac: didyou try zooming out?
[11:37] <pebkac> 'Launch o geddon weekend' etc
[11:37] <pebkac> no map to zoom
[11:38] <pebkac> just some text
[11:38] <costyn> pebkac: not seeing the zoom slider on the left?
[11:38] <lz1dev> pebkac: try http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
[11:38] <pebkac> no
[11:38] <costyn> pebkac: what browser?
[11:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> What browser are you using ?
[11:38] <fsphil> it might not work so well in older versions of IE
[11:38] <pebkac> THANKYOU
[11:38] <G0TDJ> pebkac - Try switching to Sattelite and back to map
[11:38] <PyPi> Use Chrome
[11:38] <Brot_> the pics on http://ssdv.habhub.org/ seem to be a bit broken & i don't understand why... how are they streamed? ;)
[11:38] <pebkac> IE - pah i have fedora mozilla
[11:38] <fsphil> Brot_: via rtty :)
[11:38] <lz1dev> dont use IE :)
[11:38] <fsphil> they'll improve as the altitude gets better
[11:39] <fsphil> pebkac: nice one :)
[11:39] <G8GTZ> Averaging 23 dB s/n - don't know what you need for 300 baud rtty?
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[11:39] <fsphil> G8GTZ: also make sure RV is not enabled
[11:39] <fsphil> but a screenshot would really help
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[11:39] <lz1dev> fsphil: its clearly a crotch
[11:39] <lz1dev> a close up
[11:39] <fsphil> yes
[11:39] <geo> Anyone knows the range of those 2 NTX2 transmitters? They are pretty cheap at around £20 each aren't they?
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[11:40] <fsphil> no doubt now
[11:40] <G8GTZ> Got a screen shot - here?
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[11:40] <Darkside> geo: at these baud rates, line of sight
[11:40] <Brot_> thx, got to google it... ;) :D
[11:40] <fsphil> G8GTZ: a screenshot of your screen
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[11:40] <costyn> geo: well official range is only few hunderd meters
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[11:40] <G8GTZ> yes - I've got it, and...
[11:40] <costyn> geo: we've been able to hear them at 700+ KM
[11:40] <x-f> 800*
[11:41] <costyn> geo: but that's mostly due to very good antenna/radio setups
[11:41] <Hix> sodding typical, a 30 min job turns into the whole house needs computers sorting out, 2 hours later and i've missed launches
[11:41] <fsphil> wb Hix :)
[11:41] <Hix> grrrrr
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[11:41] <costyn> x-f: was it 800 what OZ1SKY managed?
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> G8TGZ post the screen grab and we will remote diagnose
[11:41] <Hix> still it earned me 10 pints and 200 cigarettes :)
[11:41] <x-f> costyn, yep
[11:41] <Hix> not bad for helping a mate out
[11:42] <Hix> timing was cack tohugh
[11:42] <Hix> *though
[11:42] <fsphil> he's trying to kill you?
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> G8GTZ post the screen grab and we will remote diagnose
[11:42] <Brot_> are the ballons focused to end up at a special destination? or are there andy calculations?
[11:42] <Hix> I do a good job of that myself fsphil
[11:42] <Hix> :D
[11:42] <fsphil> lol
[11:42] <Hix> mostly on roads :D
[11:42] <G8GTZ> OK - I'll have to find out how to post ;-)
[11:42] <fsphil> Brot_: these are floaters, there's no targe
[11:42] <fsphil> target*
[11:42] <willdude123> This is gonna be a lonnng day.
[11:42] <fsphil> G8GTZ: use imgur
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[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Brot_ see here http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=0fb3755fb74f16560b847de2f1fb0224b9850e39
[11:43] <Brot_> oh, yeah, of course :D
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[11:43] <geo> Im confused, so line of sight/500m with a basic coat hanger antenae on the receiver, and many km when using a massive ground antenae?
[11:43] <M0UPU> xaben up
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[11:43] <Brot_> thx 4 the link :)
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[11:43] <Darkside> geo: its all about data rate
[11:44] <Darkside> the higher the data rate, the lower the range
[11:44] <Darkside> also bandwidth
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[11:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Probably be tracking uXABEN47 before Pie ;-)
[11:44] <Maxell> costyn: it's in dl-fldigi already
[11:44] <Maxell> omg
[11:44] <costyn> Maxell: nice
[11:44] <geo> Darkside: so say the lowest rate (Just a ping) how far?
[11:44] <G8GTZ> learnt something new - it's on imgur...
[11:44] <Hix> AVA on 434.450 or drifted?
[11:44] <Darkside> geo: the othe rthing here its being received with a sensitive amateur rario receiver
[11:44] <fsphil> now we need a link G8GTZ :)
[11:44] <Darkside> radio*
[11:45] <G0TDJ> I have M0UPU-1 1 on APRS.fi
[11:45] <Darkside> not a paired NRX2
[11:45] <G8GTZ> durrr.... http://i.imgur.com/hbAJw3s.jpg
[11:45] <costyn> Maxell: I can hear it on the audio stream
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Make the Rx bandwidth in dl-fldigi wider so that the red bars link up
[11:46] <fsphil> G8GTZ: that looks fine
[11:46] <fsphil> the signal might just be a bit too weak atm
[11:46] <G8GTZ> yep - but no decodes...
[11:46] <Darkside> geo: its related to the shannon hartley theorem
[11:46] <Darkside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem
[11:46] <Maxell> MP3 audio stream from RevSpace, The hague: http://[2001:610:76a:0:85eb:330e:c014:7f9d]/
[11:46] <WillDuckworth> no aerial images yet...
[11:47] <costyn> you need to open that URL in vlc to hear it
[11:47] <fsphil> nearly done with daves' trousers
[11:47] <x-f> lol
[11:47] <fsphil> hopefully an aerial photo next
[11:47] <Maxell> also lol ipv6
[11:47] <WillDuckworth> thats the prob with large pics
[11:47] <fsphil> quite a few dropped packets
[11:47] <G0TDJ> ...I haven't got enough monitors for this LOL
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[11:48] <fsphil> lol
[11:48] <costyn> fsphil: are those gonna lessen when we have more listeners?
[11:48] <fsphil> join the club G0TDJ
[11:48] <fsphil> costyn: hopefully
[11:48] <geo> Darkside: interesting thanks. Maybe in the future satellite comms would be a good idea for this. Btw the campera on the pi looks excellent, nicely balanced images colour wise
[11:49] <geo> If its cheap enough i guess
[11:49] <Darkside> geo: sat comms cost too much for image transfer
[11:49] <Darkside> way too much
[11:49] <Darkside> the main problem in th eUK is not being able to use amateur radio transmitter airborne
[11:49] <geo> Yep, ive looked into it, its pay as you go, and the cost of transmitter a few hundred at the moment
[11:49] <Darkside> here in australia we can just fly a 5W TV transmitter
[11:49] <Darkside> and problem solved
[11:49] <Darkside> in the UK, flying such a transmitter woul dbe illegal
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/index.php?ind=6
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[11:50] <G0TDJ> M0UPU-11 no longer showing up on ARPS.FI
[11:50] <Darkside> G0TDJ: its not transmitting
[11:50] <geo> Darkside: amazing considering power limitations
[11:50] <Darkside> G0TDJ: it transmitted while on the ground
[11:50] <G0TDJ> It was for a while
[11:50] <G0TDJ> I had a track
[11:50] <Darkside> G0TDJ: yes, it transmitted as it bounced
[11:50] <Darkside> that was it
[11:51] <G0TDJ> OK
[11:51] <willdude123> Arrh, I don't think I'll ever get a signal.
[11:51] <Darkside> geo: its amazing what the UK gusy get out of 10mW, thats for sure
[11:51] <Darkside> in australia we use 25mW for our main telemetry
[11:51] <SP9UOB_Tom> the storm is comming :-(
[11:51] <x-f> is uXABEN intended as a floater too?
[11:51] <Darkside> nope
[11:51] <Darkside> altitude record
[11:51] <willdude123> Arrh, I don't think I'll ever get a signal.
[11:51] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://www.industry.siemens.com/services/global/de/blids/service/spion/Seiten/spion_pl.aspx
[11:52] <willdude123> Oops.
[11:52] <G0TDJ> Darkside, wheres' the UK border where it will TX? half way across the channel?
[11:52] <PyPi> New Image
[11:52] <x-f> great, at least something different :)
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[11:52] <willdude123> :(
[11:52] <Darkside> G0TDJ: when it gets into germany i think
[11:52] <G0TDJ> OK cool
[11:52] <Darkside> G0TDJ: there are lots of licensing restrictions
[11:52] <willdude123> It'll be gone by the time I can receive anything
[11:52] <G0TDJ> Yes, I can imagine
[11:52] <willdude123> :-((
[11:52] <PyPi> It might be a sky image now
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[11:53] <G0TDJ> That's definitley sky in the beginning of taht image
[11:53] <G0TDJ> *that
[11:53] <lz1dev> my money is on sky
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[11:53] <G0TDJ> Much better signal integrity
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[11:54] <willdude123> Annoyed at how slowly they are going up:-(
[11:54] <G0TDJ> I;'m amazed how different the two first tracks are since they were launched together
[11:54] <Darkside> G0TDJ: AVA descended a bit afte rlaunch
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[11:54] <Darkside> and was in a different wind statum for a bit
[11:55] <Darkside> stratum*
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[11:55] <G0TDJ> Yes, I saw. 500m between them
[11:56] <Laurenceb__> why no SSDV images?
[11:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha PIe coming into view just
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[11:56] <chrisstubbs> awesome i can hear pi now :)
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[11:57] Nick change: Laurenceb__ -> Laurenceb_
[11:57] <nommo> Looks like AVA is heading for a view of Swaffham wind farm, while PIE prefers a view of Thetford forest ;)
[11:57] <Laurenceb_> why no SSDV images?
[11:57] <Hix> I could only just hear uXABEN but not even registering on dl-fldigi
[11:58] <S1NPS> PIE really motoring along now...
[11:58] <x-f> Laurenceb_, http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[11:58] <Laurenceb_> yeah but no new images
[11:58] <x-f> there is one comming down right now..?
[11:58] <geo> Is it using the new camera board or some custom camera?
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[11:58] <willdude123> AFK for FSX.
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[12:00] <Hix> uploaded this for posterity, how many Rx? http://i.imgur.com/Z5bxPEB.jpg
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[12:01] <Laurenceb_> so why are there no recent SSDV images?
[12:02] <__mike__> Nice image #9
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[12:02] <Laurenceb_> oh wait
[12:02] <Laurenceb_> its working now
[12:02] <x-f> oh, above clouds, pretty
[12:02] <Laurenceb_> :P
[12:02] <nommo> Yes - that's a nice shot of the clouds
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[12:03] <nommo> No missing packets so far...
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[12:03] <x-f> JPEG loves clouds :)
[12:04] <gonzo_> seeing traces of sig but far too weak to decode
[12:04] <PyPi> Here comes a new image!!!!
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[12:05] <G8GTZ> Swapped rxrs and got an instnt decode on pie ;-)
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/AVA_20130413/index.php?ind=8
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[12:06] <nommo> Is there a high altitude lingo glossary anywhere? :)
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[12:07] <CHRISG7OGX> LOST ava
[12:07] <CHRISG7OGX> last TX rx here #859
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> wait wtf
[12:08] <Laurenceb_> is it sending 2 images at a time?
[12:09] <jcoxon> yup
[12:09] <jcoxon> 2 radios
[12:09] <jcoxon> has Ava gone?
[12:09] <James-in-berks> I remember when downloading porn was like the SSDV image download :)
[12:09] <PyPi> Fast images!
[12:10] <Maxell> WOOOOOT RevSpace got a decode! 220 KM!
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[12:10] <CHRISG7OGX> no AVA on the south coast no sigs whatsoever
[12:11] <S1NPS> PIE at 182 km/h
[12:11] <G0TDJ> I have had a listen here (Near Dartford South of R.Thames) Unsurprisingly nothing heard.
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[12:11] <mfa298> nommo: if you're not sure about something the best thing is to ask.
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[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA is alot lower still than PIE
[12:12] <mattbrejza> hmm another rfm22b failure?
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[12:13] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, eek if it is
[12:13] <jcoxon> i guess we'd find out if the aprs works
[12:13] <mattbrejza> *cough* cc1101 *cough*
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[12:13] <Maxell> RevSpace should now do steady decodes - s/n 24 dB
[12:13] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, hehe - suprisingly no update for the cc1101
[12:14] <jcoxon> its so old
[12:14] <CHRISG7OGX> advice please, stay on AVA or switch to a life of PIE?
[12:14] <mlysia> Can it cross the sea?
[12:14] <craag_M0DNY> mlysia: That's the plan!
[12:14] <Maxell> (for Pi)
[12:14] <nommo> mfa298: cheers - trying to get my head around IRC (it's been a while!) and lots of new acronyms!
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[12:14] <mattbrejza> jcoxon: cc1101 old?
[12:14] <mlysia> impress with the speed 17+km/h
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[12:15] <mattbrejza> also my java decoder beat fldigi again 108-100
[12:15] <James-in-berks> Is it me or has AVA stopped sending tracking info at 1206
[12:15] <lz1dev> ava is going 50m/s
[12:15] <WillDuckworth> is that cc1101 an all-in-one unit?
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[12:15] <jcoxon> James-in-berks, appears to
[12:15] <G8GTZ> still getting jpeg decodes from pi ;-)
[12:15] <mattbrejza> the cc1101 is a stand alone radio, the cc430 is a msp430 and cc1101 in one
[12:16] <M0TVU> Almost there with xaben -
[12:16] <M0TVU> $$$$$uXABEN,312,12:15:25,52.40446,0.18320,5264,1.79,18.2,10,02F085F18
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[12:17] <mlysia> 196km/h...that is some speed
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[12:17] <mattbrejza> dial for ava?
[12:18] <S1NPS> PIE just broke 200 km/h (over 120 mph)!
[12:18] <PyPi> Pie will be in the sea within 3 mins!
[12:18] <Gareth79> hopefully not IN the sea :(
[12:19] <PyPi> Woops umm on or over the sea|!
[12:19] <Laurenceb_> eek
[12:19] <Laurenceb_> did AVA die?
[12:20] <mlysia> if PIE drops. is it for free?
[12:20] <G0TDJ> What freq. is PIE on?
[12:20] <mlysia> yay!
[12:20] <mlysia> haha
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[12:20] <PyPi> 1 Min until sea voyage for PIE!
[12:20] <M0TVU> yay! - Finally got a good one
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[12:21] <mlysia> lets go!
[12:21] <PyPi> Pi is now officially over the sea!
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[12:21] <PyPi> !!
[12:22] <PE2BZ> I have lost reception on the PIE at 434.070 and 434.110
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[12:22] <junderwood> Pie is alive and well at 434.073
[12:22] <PyPi> Pie is still going strong
[12:22] <nommo> You may now release your safety belts and purchase duty free items from the cabin crew
[12:23] <G0TDJ> YAY I've got PIE on 434.073MHz :D
[12:23] <PE2BZ> @junderwood: what is your location ?
[12:23] <PyPi> 1 Costa Cappucino please!
[12:23] <junderwood> Bicester (Oxford)
[12:23] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
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[12:23] <mlysia> hahaha
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[12:24] <PE2BZ> @m0jcu: I did receive PIE until 15 minutes ago. Now it's gone (on both receivers) but perhaps the signal returns...
[12:25] <mlysia> do we need approval from air traffic controller or something?
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[12:25] <dj2sea> What is your location @PE2BZ?
[12:26] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, i'm not sure if it is an issue with rfm22, it should have reset (i think upu uses a hardware reset)
[12:26] <craag_M0DNY> mlysia: They already have permission from the CAA for the launch.
[12:26] <mlysia> thanks craag
[12:26] <mattbrejza> i suppose it could have lost power or something
[12:26] <PE2BZ> @dj2sea I am at jo21cx (near Hook of Holland)
[12:27] <mattbrejza> or been reset and not come on again
[12:27] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:27] Action: jcoxon hopes the aprs works
[12:27] <craag_M0DNY> I did notice AVA was using the battery connectors that caused a problem on a previous flight due to a loose terminal.
[12:27] <dj2sea> OK, seems a signal is rising on 434.074 MHz here in JO30CS. No decode though ...
[12:27] <mattbrejza> but then i would have thought later resets might have got it
[12:29] <jcoxon> its worth people monitoring the frequency then
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[12:29] <jcoxon> i would say its probably out to sea by now as well
[12:29] <jcoxon> would have hit the jetstream
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[12:29] <jcoxon> and due to its slow ascent rate would have sat in it
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[12:30] <jcoxon> bbl
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[12:32] <mattbrejza> xabens having issues
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[12:32] <Robint91> Hi all
[12:32] <mlysia> speed pie dropping
[12:32] <mlysia> still high altitude
[12:32] <mlysia> hi robin
[12:32] <Robint91> I'm hearing at the 70CM frequencies of the PIE
[12:33] <Robint91> and I hear some interference with the APRS messages
[12:33] <craag_M0DNY> mattbrejza: What kind of issues?
[12:33] <mattbrejza> gps lock issues
[12:33] <mattbrejza> and lack of
[12:34] <craag_M0DNY> :( MAX-7 not looking so good.
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[12:35] <mattbrejza> last flight it lost lock at 8300, today 7600
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[12:36] <craag_M0DNY> Huh, some altitude related bug, but not a definite ceiling.
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[12:36] <Darkside> so ava has died too?
[12:37] <cuddykid> maybe temp related?
[12:37] <PyPi> Got to go but should be back later!
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[12:37] <craag_M0DNY> Oh, the max-7c doesn't have the tcxo does it?
[12:37] <craag_M0DNY> It just has a plain crystal.
[12:37] <Darkside> uh oh
[12:38] <eroomde> correct
[12:38] <pippo> following the pi is simply amazing
[12:38] <CHRISG7OGX> tried dave's very informative instructions for dual receive but i think i need two dongles to acheive it
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[12:38] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[12:38] <craag_M0DNY> CHRISG7OGX: Yeah, his instructions weren't correct, you do need 2x dongles for that method to work.
[12:38] <Darkside> use SDR_Radio V2
[12:38] <Hix> hi Lunar_Lander UK is invading Europe ;p
[12:38] <Darkside> that has multiple VFOs
[12:39] <craag_M0DNY> YOu can use SDR Radio V2 to get multiple VFOs on one dongle though
[12:39] <Lunar_Lander> xD yeah I just saw it
[12:39] <eroomde> but ther sdr's just have the one gain control though?
[12:39] <CHRISG7OGX> m0dny thanks thought i had missed something can i not receive SSDV then ?
[12:39] <Laurenceb_> is uXABEN alive?
[12:39] <Darkside> eroomde: yes.
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[12:39] <eroomde> though i guess the balloons being the same Tx power and physically close shouldn't have wildly different received signal strengths
[12:39] <Darkside> eroomde: for this flight it might be ok
[12:39] <Darkside> if it goes about 40dB differenve you'll have problems
[12:39] <Hix> did AVA die again?
[12:39] <craag_M0DNY> CHRISG7OGX: You can receive one stream ro the other with SDR#.
[12:40] <CHRISG7OGX> M0dny i get fault message that fcd pro plus is already in use
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[12:40] <Darkside> CHRISG7OGX: ahh your using a FCD++
[12:40] <mfa298> CHRISG7OGX: sdr-radio just acts as a replacement for sdr# as the radio reciever
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[12:40] <Lunar_Lander> is everything workign?
[12:40] <Darkside> use SDR-RadioV2 then
[12:40] <Lunar_Lander> *working
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[12:40] <Darkside> CHRISG7OGX: http://www.ham-radio.ch/kits/sdr-radio.com/2.0/SDR-RADIO-Pro_v2.0b1315.exe
[12:40] <PE2G> Good signal form PIE, but not one single decode. Any comments on my waterfall?
[12:41] <PE2G> http://gyazo.com/0829de3b8f1a75b749243636999dfa68
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> can someone give me a short heads up on what balloon is supposed to cross to the continent?
[12:41] <Darkside> PE2G: filter bandwidth is off
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> PIE definately but I think AVA also, right?
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> XABEN too?
[12:41] <Hix> AVA PIE and uXABEN Lunar_Lander
[12:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA the lowest of them at present
[12:41] <Lunar_Lander> ah, all of them then
[12:41] <mfa298> you can also get some extra files that allow sdr-radio v2 to work with the rtlsdr dongles, but I'm not sure you can put in a frequency correction
[12:41] <Hix> jah
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[12:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes you can correct
[12:42] <Laurenceb_> is uXABEN alive?
[12:42] <CHRISG7OGX> cheers darkside have that sdr on first channels so put sdr# on other channels??
[12:42] <Laurenceb_> no updates..
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[12:42] <craag_M0DNY> Laurenceb_: GPS has lost lock.
[12:42] <Maxell> PE2G: weird. Hmm
[12:42] <Laurenceb_> :-S
[12:42] <Darkside> CHRISG7OGX: no
[12:42] <Hix> are they all flying uBlox7?
[12:42] <Darkside> CHRISG7OGX: sdr-radio V2 can do multiple VFOs
[12:42] <Darkside> and set them to output on different sound cards
[12:42] <PE2G> Darkside: Thanks, I have decodes now :-)
[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its lovely running 4 channels here
[12:43] <Darkside> CHRISG7OGX: read the manual
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[12:43] <Hix> Wow!!!! 227 users
[12:43] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: is that a case of you can add a freq correction on sdr-radio v2 (in which case can you point me in the direction of that setting?)
[12:43] <Hix> gotta be record
[12:43] <Hix> *a
[12:43] <mlysia> printscreen Hix!
[12:43] <Hix> heh
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[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> yes its in the RADIO CONFIG other option
[12:43] <Hix> did that with tracker http://i.imgur.com/Z5bxPEB.jpg
[12:44] <Maxell> Hix: jpeg? Damn girl
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[12:44] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/5D5e0Yk.png
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[12:45] <Hix> Maxell, a: imgur did it i just pasted print screen
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[12:45] <Hix> bennn: I'm a bit hairy to be a girl :)
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[12:45] <mlysia> haha
[12:45] <Hix> *b:
[12:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/SDR-RADIO_correction.jpg
[12:45] <mattbrejza> seems odd the ublox has died again, steves insulation is usually very good and upu's ublox 7 that ended up in france was fine
[12:46] <craag_M0DNY> Grr I've had a ghost of PIE on the waterfall now for about 2 hours, but it's keeping the same elevation, just below my horizon!
[12:46] <Hix> 231 users now
[12:46] <Hix> screengrab defunct already
[12:46] <Maxell> Hix: yeah, needs moar cropping!
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[12:46] <jonsowman> Hix: pisg will get it
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[12:46] <Hix> ah oki jonsowman
[12:46] <Hix> forgot statbot
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[12:47] <Hix> any updates on kraken?>
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> <mfa298> did you find it ?
[12:47] <Hix> easier than switching and asking the same people :)
[12:47] <Darkside> mattbrejza: so the consensus is its because of the non-TXCO crystal?
[12:47] <Robint91> w00t
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[12:47] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: I can't spot that.
[12:47] <Robint91> I'm recieving PIE
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[12:47] <Robint91> in JO21PC
[12:48] <Hix> so AVA and uXABEN have bost lost lock?
[12:48] <Robint91> Decoded image packet. Callsign: PIE5, Image ID: 11, Resolution: 816x528, Packet ID: 17
[12:48] <Hix> *both
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[12:48] <mattbrejza> Darkside: this is also the max7 that might have been abused somewhat, tbh a freezer should go a good enough job of cooling it to find out
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> <mfa298> Click on HOME, then right hand end RADIO CONFIGURATION
[12:48] <Darkside> yup
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[12:48] <PE2G> Maxell: my receive filter bandwidth Auto was off. I'm decoding PIE now.
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[12:49] <mattbrejza> there are txco max7s, but they dont have the 1.8-3.6V op range
[12:49] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: thanks, I was obviously being blind
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[12:49] <Darkside> ahh thats the problem
[12:49] <willdude123> Given up tracking now. :(
[12:49] <Darkside> the MAX-6G is TXCO though i thought
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[12:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its easy, there is a lot to see - I customise it
[12:49] <Darkside> and that was 1.8v capable
[12:49] <willdude123> Maybe PIE6 will be better for me.
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[12:49] <mattbrejza> but lots of gps units are flown, but i cant imagine all of them have tcxos
[12:49] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, can you get uXABEN?
[12:50] <mattbrejza> they mostly die due to the 70kft limit?
[12:50] <willdude123> Nope.
[12:50] <Darkside> mattbrejza: ahh the MAX-6G (1.8v) does have a TXCP
[12:50] <Darkside> TXCO*
[12:50] <Hix> willdude123: did you make a 1/4 wave?
[12:50] <craag_M0DNY> willdude123: I'm having the same issues, PIE is on the wrong side of the country, and heading very fast in the wrong direction :(
[12:50] <Maxell> PE2G: Ah, yeah. Toppie
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[12:51] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: yes, it's a bit more of a learning curve than sdr# (took me a few days to work out how to layout the interface as I wanted) but so much more useful than sdr# for multiple payloads.
[12:51] <Darkside> mattbrejza: oh that sucks, yeah, the 1.8v MAX-7 doesnt have a TXCO
[12:51] <Darkside> thats a pain
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[12:51] <Darkside> will have to stick to 3.3v when i start using the MAX-7s
[12:52] <raspitv2> what's up with AVA?
[12:52] <Hix> Darkside: that is TXCO?
[12:52] <dj2sea> At the moment I receive two weak AFSK signals in JO30CS. One is at 434.071 MHz, the other at 434.074 MHz. Both to weak to decode, but the S/N is rising for both. Guess it is the PIE.
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[12:52] <mattbrejza> AVA's radio is dead
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[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> <mfa298> If your running multipile Rx's then set priority high for each process if your using windows
[12:52] <Hix> *what Darkside
[12:52] <Darkside> Hix: temperature controlled crystal oscillator
[12:52] <Darkside> compensateD*
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[12:53] <Hix> oh wow
[12:53] <Darkside> not controlled
[12:53] <Hix> never knew it had
[12:53] <Darkside> not an oven
[12:53] <Hix> heh
[12:53] <G0TDJ> Recieving packets with FLDigi. Surprised I can still hear it.
[12:53] <G8GTZ> willdude123 we should meet up
[12:53] <Hix> uOxen
[12:53] <Darkside> its basicallt a VCXO with the control voltage varing with temp
[12:53] <Hix> giving up typing
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[12:53] <Hix> ah nice!
[12:53] <Robint91> dj2sea, I'm recieving PIE also, but the signal are fading a lot, 22db s/n to 5db s/n
[12:53] <Darkside> ok im going to sleep nwo guys
[12:53] <Darkside> nn
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[12:53] <Robint91> but I tis better now
[12:53] <Hix> seeya Darkside
[12:54] <mattbrejza> would be impressive if a max6 had an oven one in it
[12:54] <Hix> heh
[12:54] <mlysia> ; P
[12:54] <Hix> lock 'n'cook
[12:54] <dj2sea> @Robin91: Yes, there is some strong QSB on the signal at 434.071 MHz. Maybe the PIE is rotating?
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[12:54] <Robint91> dj2sea, thinking something like that also
[12:55] <Robint91> dj2sea, I'm in JO21PC
[12:55] <nbookham> Some of the pictures are looking great!
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[12:56] <raspitv2> in case anyone missed it, I recorded the launch stream and dumped it on youtube youtu.be/Yef_EToqMXQ
[12:56] <eroomde> nbookham: just wait until it gets really high :)
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[12:56] <Hix> skills raspitv2
[12:56] <Robint91> how is the antenna of the PIE mounted?
[12:56] <eroomde> when the sky really starts to turn black
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[12:56] <raspitv2> Hix it's really low res, but it's there
[12:56] <dj2sea> @Robin91, OK, so you are roughly 50 km closer to the music than I am ...
[12:57] <Hix> nbookham: but not this black http://gallery.apexhab.org/Apex-III/Launch-1/Flight?page=13
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[12:58] <G8GTZ> pie getting weaker but still decoding
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[12:58] <dj2sea> @Robin91 Good thing is, PIE is heading in our direction...
[12:59] <Robint91> dj2sea, yeah
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[12:59] <raspitv2> what was the max number of people who logged in?
[12:59] <Hix> 233 iirc
[13:00] <Hix> oh, on btac?
[13:00] <raspitv2> both
[13:00] <Hix> don't know that one
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[13:00] <raspitv2> 233 for this chat room?
[13:00] <eroomde> 228 according to me
[13:00] <eroomde> or at least my client
[13:01] <eroomde> which is certainly a record
[13:01] <raspitv2> ok so we'll say ~230 :)
[13:01] <eroomde> the power of Pi
[13:01] <raspitv2> it was always on the cards after front page of Pi site
[13:01] <eroomde> indeed
[13:01] <eroomde> it was 5 people when I first started doing balloons
[13:01] <James-in-berks> and the register :)
[13:02] <Hix> raspitv2: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html for UKHAS stats
[13:02] <raspitv2> When my stuff gets featured on Pi front page it's usually good for about 3-4k views per day while it's up there
[13:02] <G8GTZ> habrotate auto direction tracking working well today - tnks M0DNY ;-)
[13:02] <Robint91> $$PIE,593,13:01:51,52.01500,2.43312,17128,65,70,9*F25F
[13:03] <raspitv2> So I reckon the Pi front page gets at least 50k views per day, probably nearer 100k
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[13:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> what happened to AVA?
[13:04] <raspitv2> dead radio
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[13:04] <Robint91> http://i.imgur.com/8r6BL9D.png
[13:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> :-(
[13:05] <Elmar_PD3EM> will it be possible that the APRS radio will wake up?
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[13:06] <raspitv2> 3050 different nicks - sounds about right from the figures I quoted you before I looked :)
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[13:06] <SP9UOB_Tom> what was happen to AVA ?
[13:06] <Upu2> whats happended with ava ?
[13:06] <craag_M0DNY> Upu2: SP9UOB_Tom GPS lost lock
[13:06] <Upu2> still txing ?
[13:07] <Upu2> still tx though ?
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[13:07] <mattbrejza> nope, ava has stopped tx
[13:07] <mattbrejza> xaben has lost gps
[13:07] <craag_M0DNY> oh darn
[13:07] <craag_M0DNY> wrong one my bad
[13:07] <mlysia> long ago
[13:07] <Upu2> damn
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[13:07] <SP9UOB_Tom> what a pity
[13:07] <costyn> wheee... decoding PIE with imgur.com/nN9OuUS
[13:08] <Upu2> hopefully its the rfm
[13:08] <Upu2> aprs should kick i
[13:08] <Upu2> n
[13:08] <craag_M0DNY> Is aprs being plotted on spacenear
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[13:08] <craag_M0DNY> ?
[13:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> nice costyn!
[13:08] <Upu2> no
[13:08] <Upu2> not yet
[13:09] <Upu2> getting food
[13:09] <Hix> raspitv2: 231 was highest i saw after posting my screengrab
[13:09] <mlysia> hungry!
[13:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> can the aprs wake up?
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[13:09] <Upu2> once it hits nl
[13:09] <Hix> 231 currently
[13:09] <CHRISG7OGX> costyn like the way you have trained the children to ensure a level site!
[13:09] <Elmar_PD3EM> ok hope it will Upu2 !
[13:09] <Robint91> finally manage to upload a packet
[13:09] <Robint91> I'm ON8RTH
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[13:09] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/cMBgZjm.png
[13:10] <raspitv2> what are the predictions for PIE then?
[13:10] <bertrik> dl-fldigi in hab mode won't start anymore on my windows 7 PC, any ideas?
[13:10] <Hix> it takes an age on mine bertrik
[13:10] <Hix> ~1.5 mins
[13:10] <Hix> 7X64
[13:10] <mattbrejza> :/
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[13:11] <bertrik> it looks like I see a window appear and then it disappears again directly after appearing
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[13:11] <chrisstubbs> Hix nice boat ;)
[13:11] <costyn> Elmar_PD3EM: it's quite clear
[13:11] <cuddykid> looks like the european cost line in image 20
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[13:11] <costyn> CHRISG7OGX: yes, they're doing their best
[13:11] <cuddykid> perhaps not
[13:11] <Hix> chrisstubbs: CADing up a Volvo Ocean 70
[13:12] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/2UWoPXD.png
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[13:13] <eroomde> Hix: why are you doing such foolfish?
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[13:14] <Robint91> PIE is getting stronger
[13:14] <Hix> eroomde: ? Vo70? just in case there is a #highaltitude/#sealevel microtransat interest
[13:14] <eroomde> make the Pie higher
[13:14] <eroomde> i'm surprised no one has said that yet
[13:14] <eroomde> unless they have
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[13:15] <Robint91> dj2sea, It seems now that I have a constant stream of packets
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[13:15] <M3IXS> Hi just joined and noticed that 2 of balloons are not updating, just wondered why this is.
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[13:16] <dj2sea> Robin91, I still see the AFSK signals but cannot decode them, yet. Hope it will become better once PIE is closer to my QTH.
[13:16] <cuddykid> M3IXS: lost GPS lock
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[13:16] <chrisstubbs> M3IXS, the transmitter on AVA died and the GPS died on uXABEN
[13:17] <cuddykid> was it an rfm on AVA?
[13:17] <mattbrejza> yep
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[13:17] <SP9UOB_Tom> also PYSY was dead
[13:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> HAB-disease
[13:18] <costyn> gosh... bad HAB luck today
[13:18] <eroomde> it travels with the wind across the seas
[13:18] <eroomde> like dutch elm disease
[13:18] <SP9UOB_Tom> but PIE does the job :-)
[13:18] <Hix> beat me eroomde
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[13:18] <DL5SFI_Steffen> called the Ava could come back? or no more channels can not operate APRS?
[13:19] <costyn> UpuWork: is the RFM resetting every x strings?
[13:19] <mattbrejza> is there a pin to reset of is it via spi?
[13:19] <mattbrejza> *or
[13:19] <M3IXS> Thanks of the info, lets hope the pi keeps going. Do you think that all 3 are in the same location.
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[13:20] <chrisstubbs> mattbrejza, you put SDN high for a few ms to reset
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[13:20] <PE2BZ> which one is at 434.352 RTTY ?
[13:20] <chrisstubbs> costyn, every 20 strings if i remember correctly
[13:21] <mattbrejza> hmm might not be the rfm then
[13:21] <chrisstubbs> PE2BZ, that would be uXABEN with the dead gps
[13:21] <chrisstubbs> i thought it uses the RFM for RTTY and the radiometrix for aprs?
[13:21] <costyn> something happened last time to XABEN didn't it?
[13:21] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: it does I think
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[13:22] <costyn> chrisstubbs: indeed, but aprs isn't activating until it reaches Netherlands
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[13:22] <PE2BZ> OK, signal is coming in at this moment with FCD and 5/8 wave groundplane (jo21cx)
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[13:22] <chrisstubbs> oh sorry i see what you mean, the problem may not be with the RFM
[13:23] <mattbrejza> isnt it active over the sea?
[13:23] <costyn> cool... got some antenna's in Germany too
[13:23] <costyn> mattbrejza: not sure
[13:23] <chrisstubbs> it wasnt last time
[13:23] <costyn> mattbrejza: it wasn't last time
[13:23] <mattbrejza> it didnt have aprs last time
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[13:23] <chrisstubbs> the status was not to transmit over the sea if i recall
[13:24] <mattbrejza> maybe...
[13:24] <griffonbot> @RiK_Tripp: http://t.co/IQxHlI32zR @daveake @Raspberry_Pi tracking via my smart TV. Bon voyage #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/RiK_Tripp/status/323064125196476416]
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[13:24] <DL5SFI_Steffen> nice :)
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[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> yay more germans like me
[13:25] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[13:26] <craag_M0DNY> Yeah it'll only transmit APRS when it hits the coast.
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[13:29] <PE2BZ> uXABEN,6Ø4,1Y:31:21,Ø.ØØØØØ,Ø.ØØØØØ,2V1.78,-16.9,Ø,ØØ34*
[13:29] <PE2BZ> Indeed no GPS data.....
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[13:30] <Laurenceb_> wonder what gps it uses?
[13:30] <craag_M0DNY> Laurenceb_: New MAX-7
[13:30] <PE2BZ> And no 470 Hz shift in DigitalMaster.... Have to decode on 825 Hz
[13:30] <Laurenceb_> thats not encouraging
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[13:30] <Laurenceb_> maybe something broke power supply wise?
[13:31] <craag_M0DNY> No, we reckon it could be due to the lack of a TCXO in the 1.8V version.
[13:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Pie_Dual/index.php?ind=17
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[13:31] <Laurenceb_> hmm
[13:31] <craag_M0DNY> But unsure, will be confirmed with freezer tests on the ground sometime.
[13:31] <Laurenceb_> so low temperature screws it up?
[13:31] <craag_M0DNY> Possibly
[13:32] <G8GTZ> just playing with sdr radio v2 - how do you enter a freuency?!
[13:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Several ways Clicvk the VFO-TUNING button then cursor over and click/roll digits
[13:32] <Laurenceb_> it should warm up as it gets higher
[13:32] <Laurenceb_> might wake up again
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[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> or Frequency Explorer | Direct Tab and enter the frequency and apply
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[13:33] <Laurenceb_> having said that
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> it should be at ~25Km now
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mouse over the main dial and left click
[13:33] <Laurenceb_> so should be warmer
[13:34] <mattbrejza> xabens at -12.5C
[13:34] <mattbrejza> and falling
[13:34] <G8GTZ> ummm - found those I was looking for keyboard entry...
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Frequency Expoloreer and key in the number
[13:35] <Dutch-Mill> Hi all what is PIE's real shift ?
[13:35] <willdude123> Yo.
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[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> OIE shift is 600Hz make sure your bandwidth is very very wide to decode
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[13:36] <Dutch-Mill> Oke thankz Geoff WIDEFM ?
[13:36] <Dutch-Mill> SSB..
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> No Rx bandwidth wide so that the Red bars almost meet in centre
[13:37] <G8GTZ> Ah found it ;-)
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[13:37] <costyn> Dutch-Mill: that's for people using SDR, which you aren't right
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> <G8GTZ> Yes multipile ways to do everything ....
[13:37] <Graham_G3VZV> is anyone seeing the pie pictures from flight?
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup
[13:38] <slacko24903> me too
[13:38] <Dutch-Mill> nope a FT817
[13:38] <Dutch-Mill> but still no decode ?
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[13:38] <G8GTZ> Yup
[13:38] <G0TDJ> G3VZV Yes, I'm still getting packets direct
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[13:39] <G8DSU> SSDV image: Does n missing packets mean n lost so far or total? Assuming 'so far' from what I see.
[13:39] <Graham_G3VZV> thanks..not strong enough here really...
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[13:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> <G8DSU> So Far but unless someone plays it back later and decodes then really its total on that frame
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[13:41] <willdude123> Is APRS legal in the netherlands?
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[13:42] <tim__> hi guys how do you update the hourly predictor?
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[13:42] <Dutch-Mill> yep decoding...
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[13:43] <eroomde> tim__: cron job should get the data automatically, settings file should specifiy the flight parameters
[13:43] <eroomde> at least this was the case the last time i ran it
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[13:43] <tim__> oh ok i just seems the red dots hasnt moved from yesterday
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[13:44] <mfa298> tim__: it's possible on that vm image the cronjob isn't enabled by default.
[13:45] <tim__> what do you mean?
[13:45] <mfa298> if chrisstubbs did it the same way I did there should be a file in /etc/cron.d called hab
[13:45] <chrisstubbs> yes i did
[13:46] <chrisstubbs> it should be enabled
[13:46] <chrisstubbs> can you check by: cd /etc/cton.d
[13:46] <chrisstubbs> ls
[13:46] <chrisstubbs> ?
[13:46] <mfa298> this should show if it exists and when it's supposed to run
[13:46] <mfa298> cat /etc/cron.d/hab
[13:46] <chrisstubbs> ^use mfa298's method :P
[13:47] <willdude123> Is APRS legal in the netherlands?
[13:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> yes
[13:47] <PE2G> But is airborne APRS legal?
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[13:48] <Elmar_PD3EM> Yes it is. Nowhere excluded
[13:48] <PE2G> OK, I see.
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[13:48] <tim__> i carnt find cton.d
[13:48] <Steffann> cron i guess :)
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[13:48] <Steffann> not cton
[13:49] <Elmar_PD3EM> be back later...
[13:49] <tim__> but when i do cat i get
[13:49] <DL5SFI_Steffen> says her Ava and Xaben are still out?
[13:49] <mfa298> tim__: if you just copy and paste the cat ... line I posted above that should either display an error or give you the contents
[13:49] <mfa298> 14:46 < mfa298> cat /etc/cron.d/hab
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[13:49] <Robint91> mhh the APRS on PIE is making interference on the 70cm signal
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[13:49] <tim__> 0 */3 *** root cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction && ./scripts/fetch-run-cronjob.sh
[13:50] <mfa298> that should be running it every three hours then
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[13:50] <tim__> thats what i got from the cat
[13:50] <DL5SFI_Steffen> what? I just thought AVA APRS on 144.800 on board
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[13:50] <mfa298> the 0 is minutes, the */3 means every three hours.
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[13:50] <tim__> ohh
[13:50] <tim__> thanks
[13:50] <tim__> so its running as normal
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[13:51] <mfa298> you might want to check the logs like you did yesterday to see if there were errors
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[13:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hi all
[13:52] <tim__> its in cusf-landing-prediction logs isnt it?
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[13:53] <mfa298> there's logs for downloading the data in /opt/landing-prediction-data/logs/
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[13:54] <mfa298> and logs for the prediction software in /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions/logs/
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[13:54] <Dutch-Mill> Hi Wouter
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[13:55] <CHRISG7OGX> checking my dongle freq, would anyone disagree that XABEN is on 435.445?
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[13:56] <tim__> copy and paste a line into vmware?
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[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> I get 434353200 for the lower freq.
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[13:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can´t wait untill they fix the antenna placement permission in my building
[13:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> RXing PIE here, but only just
[13:59] <RocketBoy> 434.3539 as the centre frequency for XABEN
[13:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> using balcony mounted X50 on the wrong side of the building
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[13:59] <G0TDJ> I can still hear it but all packets have bad checksums.
[13:59] <CHRISG7OGX> cheers rocketboy
[13:59] <Robint91> data is streaming good here of the PIE
[13:59] Nick change: SteveS__ -> Darkstar
[13:59] <AndrewS> The pictures from PIE are really good :)
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[14:00] <AndrewS> Has AVA stopped transmitting?
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[14:01] <DL7AD> Does the PIE still transmitting ATV pictures? The stream doesn't load at me.
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> <AndrewS> yup sometime ago, might come back on APRS when over a suitable country
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[14:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> <DL7AD> Its sending two streams of SSDV see images here http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[14:03] <raspitv2> AndrewS - Mr Scheller?
[14:04] <costyn> lol... new Dutch station... PB.NER
[14:04] <costyn> you can fill in the . :)
[14:04] <chrisstubbs> lol regret changing the passowrds for hourly last night, cant login now
[14:04] <costyn> close to me and Dutch-Mill
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[14:05] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: if you get really stuck you should be able to boot into single user mode and change the password
[14:06] <test____> where is the pi now?
[14:06] <AndrewS> How come "PIE5 image 29" is listed three times on the SSDV page?
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[14:07] <chrisstubbs> mfa298, lol i will download my own houry image again and use that :P
[14:07] <fsphil_> Database oddity
[14:08] <mfa298> booting into single user mode is probably quicker - but re-downloading your image also works
[14:08] <fuddle> a few decodes now being received in Dusseldorf - jo31. s/n remains below 20dB and I have severe "low power device" interference on 434.068 and .074
[14:09] <Robint91> is the a rescue action in the netherlands for the PIE?
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[14:09] <costyn> fuddle: is there error correction in the image data? cause getting more green decodes with image data than the telemetry
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[14:10] <costyn> err
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[14:10] <costyn> fsphil_: ^^ tghat was for you
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is FEC in th SSDV but only parity in telelmetry
[14:10] <fsphil_> Yes, reed Solomon codes
[14:10] <M0RBD> hey
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[14:10] <costyn> aha
[14:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> @costyn recovery plans? @all, landing predictions?
[14:11] <M0RBD> I'm getting the XABEN telemetry but it seems to be "frozen" on 12:31 and 00000 in pos?
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[14:11] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: it should float and reach poland, so no, not recovering hopefully
[14:11] <fuddle> mostly I receive "toast" with the odd burt of PIE and its lat/ling
[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> GPS froze ... again its a new chip being tried out
[14:11] <AndrewS> What do the blue and green circles on the tracker page indicate?
[14:11] Nick change: Wolfy -> Guest80303
[14:12] <G0TDJ> Tracking M0UPU-11 on http://aprs.fi
[14:12] <raspitv2> If it gets to Zgierz, I'll bring it back on Tuesday (LOL - fat chance)
[14:12] <M0RBD> Geoff-G8DHE: ah, so it still in progress... Out of intrest where is the estimate of its location?
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[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Blue 0 degree horizon, Green is 5 degree
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[14:12] <Lunar_Lander> OK let's try if PIE can be heard here
[14:12] <PE2G> Robint91: yes, I'm standby in case it lands in the east of NL.
[14:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> <M0RBD> somehwere over the rainbow - or more likely the North Sea
[14:12] <Robint91> PE2G, nice
[14:12] <DJ2SEA> Thanks Geoff. Was wondering all the time what the meaning of the two lines is. :-)
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[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> hello to all the germans
[14:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> If you hover Mouse carefully over the rings it tells you ;-)
[14:13] <M0RBD> Geoff-G8DHE: aha :D Well I'm surprised I can hear it considering I'm using a horiztally polarized 5ele in my attic
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. DF3EY, DJ2SEA, DL5SFI_Steffen, DL7AD :)
[14:13] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: but sure, if it lands somewhere close I'll go get it
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[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> I am a german too btw
[14:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[14:13] <Robint91> somethign happend
[14:14] <DJ2SEA> Hi Lunar_Lander. Still waiting for first decode of PIE. So far I only got decodes with bad checksum.
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[14:14] <Lunar_Lander> on which frequency, 068 or 074?
[14:14] <Robint91> strong signals
[14:14] <fuddle> lunar_lander ---I find the better frequency is 074
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[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> I think I can hear something in the noise on 068
[14:15] <Robint91> what kind of transmitter do they use for the 70cm?
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> but probably that is my imagination only
[14:15] <DJ2SEA> I receive sigs on 434.071 and 434.074 MHz.
[14:15] <AndrewS> Sorry, what does "5 degree horizon" mean?
[14:15] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: link http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[14:15] <MasterZap> So this has probably been asked a thousand times, but I just connected. How come PIE is so much further/Higher than the other two?
[14:15] <raspitv2> the other two stopped transmitting
[14:15] <costyn> APRS is working, nice
[14:15] <DJ2SEA> Strong QSB on both frequencies though. Looks like the PIE is spinning ...
[14:15] <Lunar_Lander> AndrewS, I think that you can like think of it that the balloon is 5 degrees above your horizon
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> MasterZap, as far as I got it, AVA malfunctioned
[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> and XABEN too, but it never was designed for a very high flight
[14:16] <MasterZap> Oooh I see
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[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> 5 degree horizon from the viewpoint of balloon, is a circle 5 degrees below horizontal
[14:16] <costyn> fsphil_: can we import the APRS data into spacenear.us?
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[14:16] <Lunar_Lander> I think it is a Pico type flight in which you use small balloon to reach about 8 km
[14:16] <DJ2SEA> Bloody LPDs spamming the frequency ... :-(
[14:16] <Maxell> DJ2SEA: \o/ woot licence free
[14:17] <AndrewS> Ah :)
[14:17] <Robint91> the S meter moved
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[14:17] <Lunar_Lander> hey radim_OM2AMR
[14:18] <Wolfy77> Does anyone know what happened to the USA flight that was supposed to go today? Last night it was showing (i guess from a test) and on a refresh a few minutes ago its no longer there? Good job for yall with the ones in the air.. hope its got its passport :)
[14:18] <radim_OM2AMR> Hello Lunar_Lander ! XD
[14:18] <G8GTZ> Ummm ironic LPDs are interferring - cos that's exactly what PI is using!
[14:18] <costyn> UpuWork: here?
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[14:19] <DJ2SEA> Maxell, I have a bunch of LPDs somewhere in the neighborhood sending strong burst transmissions. Wireless temperature sensors or whatever. They are disturbing reception of both PIE frequencies.
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[14:19] <Maxell> DJ2SEA: ai ai :-(
[14:19] <tim__> do i have to change the burst altitude manually?
[14:19] <Maxell> Bummer.
[14:19] <RocketBoy> i think upu is scoffing food in mk
[14:19] <Rob_m0dts> AVA on 144.800 is good signal but no decode here on TS-2000 built in tnc.
[14:19] <costyn> RocketBoy: ah, well AVA is APRSing
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[14:19] <RocketBoy> :-)
[14:20] <mfa298> tim__: that's one of the settings in the config file you edited yesterday
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[14:20] <tim__> can someone make an easier interface for the web interface
[14:20] <DJ2SEA> G8GTZ, sure. But there are good and bad LPDs. In this case it is up to us to decide which category they are in. ;-)
[14:20] <tim__> i can see it being a pain in the future
[14:21] <G8GTZ> DJ2SEA ;-)
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[14:21] <CHRISG7OGX> i use google chrome a friend uses IE, why can't he see the balloons please?
[14:22] <Gadget-Mac> tim__: For the tracker ?
[14:22] <mfa298> tim__: I'm thinking of doing some things to make it easier to setup the settings for the hourly predictor
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[14:22] <Wolfy77> Use firefox Chris...
[14:22] <RocketBoy> ooo xaben is thawing out
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[14:22] <DJ2SEA> CHRISG7OGX The page is working well on Firefox and Chrome here. Must be an issue with the IE.
[14:22] <CHRISG7OGX> xaben good sigs here
[14:22] <tim__> its a pain having to go into nano everytime just to changed a few settings
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[14:23] <CHRISG7OGX> Tchus Wolfy77
[14:23] <jcoxon> hey all
[14:23] <tim__> Gadget-Mac: no the hourly predictor server
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[14:23] <Gadget-Mac> Ah ok.
[14:23] <RocketBoy> well if it gets a bit warmer before it bursts the gps may come back online
[14:23] <jcoxon> so ava has appeared on aprs
[14:24] <costyn> jcoxon: can we port the data to the spacenear.us page?
[14:24] <mfa298> tim__: that is the linux way, I don't think that predictor was designed for such wide spread use.
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=https:%2F%2Fraw.github.com%2FUpuaut%2FAPRS_Projects%2Fmaster%2FData%2FEurope.kml&hl=en&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.622047,20.083008&t=h&z=3
[14:24] <jcoxon> costyn, yeah should be able to
[14:24] <jcoxon> on the case
[14:24] <costyn> cool
[14:24] <Wolfy77> Could be a java issue with Internet Exploder... IE is famous for disabling things when it shouldnt...
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[14:24] <mfa298> hmmm, loading up a new spacenear.us window is slow, not sure if that's the amount of data, the amount of people or my internet
[14:25] <mfa298> CHRISG7OGX: it's possible you're seeing the same issue as I seem to have - just that it's being slow due to something
[14:25] <jcoxon> mfa298, its the volume of points
[14:26] <Lunar_Lander> why do people still use IE?
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[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA is keeping pace with PIE then
[14:26] <mfa298> jcoxon: that's what I was suspecting (although my internet could also have been to blame, it was being slow earlier)
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[14:26] <gonzo_> wow, I got an image packet!
[14:26] <Wolfy77> the KC5NXD balloon just appeared again for those interested....
[14:26] <G8GTZ> Cos it's on every Windows PC without having to download anything....
[14:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh uXABEN47 changes
[14:26] <CHRISG7OGX> mfa298 yes tks compatability sorted it out
[14:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> the only thing I use IE for is downloading firefox
[14:27] <costyn> G8GTZ: well then you're just being lazy :P
[14:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> getting better decoding here now
[14:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I put my notebook in the car with a mag-mount antenna
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[14:28] <Wolfy77> I used to use IE only when a customer had issues with it.. and I used to support it for MS... rofl .. used a mozilla variant on my MS machines at work... they didnt like it but wouldnt stop me
[14:28] <tim__> weather has been updated
[14:29] <G8GTZ> No - I didn't say I used it, I just answered your question ;-)
[14:29] <Grant__> Can I assume the uXABEN and AVA Gps has packed up?
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[14:29] <nosebleedkt> finally
[14:29] <nosebleedkt> got UHF transmitting
[14:29] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: receiving the first direct APRS packets from #HAB AVA at 23k alt #UKHAS http://t.co/okYy2FEmDt [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/323080588955377666]
[14:29] <Maxell> rofl, s/n ratio 29 dB
[14:30] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, ssdv question
[14:30] <costyn> Maxell: well it's only 50KM from us
[14:30] <AndrewS> lol, a UFO has shot a purple laser at PIE ;)
[14:30] <RocketBoy> the xaben gps has packed up - but may come back on if the payload warms another few degrees
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> hello nosebleedkt
[14:30] <Lunar_Lander> YAY
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[14:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> <Grant__> No uXABEN GPS packed up temperature ? AVA still flying and transitting on APRS with GPRS
[14:30] <nosebleedkt> hi Lunar_Lander
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[14:30] <costyn> I'm going to visually look for AVA as it comes over
[14:31] <costyn> should be right over my head
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> *GPS
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[14:31] <nosebleedkt> wtf
[14:31] <DJ2SEA> Hey, I can copy XABEN47 on 434.353.5 MHz -- $$wXABEN,851,q2:31:21,0.00000,0.00000,0,1.78,-1.7,0,0834*54BD
[14:31] <nosebleedkt> mission?
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[14:31] <RocketBoy> DJ2SEA: yep thats it
[14:32] <willdude123> AVA has very few listeners.
[14:32] <willdude123> Is the Radio broken?
[14:32] <Grant__> Thanks <Geoff_G8DHE> and <RocketBoy>
[14:32] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, drifting to Europe with SSTV I think
[14:32] <mattbrejza> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=9&call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[14:32] <willdude123> Or have I not refreshed the page?
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[14:32] <RocketBoy> np
[14:32] <nosebleedkt> oh
[14:32] <nosebleedkt> thriller
[14:32] <mfa298> willdude123: AVA radio broke early on but it's now transmitting APRS
[14:33] <willdude123> xaben's did too I presume?
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[14:33] <RocketBoy> xaben is still transmitting fine
[14:34] <mfa298> willdude123: look at http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=10800&tail=10800 for the APRS data AVA
[14:34] <RocketBoy> just the gps froze
[14:34] <willdude123> Oh OK.
[14:34] <jcoxon> 256!
[14:34] <willdude123> What is APRS used for in the UK?
[14:34] <RocketBoy> (uBlox max7 test_
[14:34] <costyn> jcoxon: nice... its there
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[14:35] <mfa298> willdude123: APRS is an amateur radio tracking thing, some people use it in their cars.
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> WOW we got ops in the channel
[14:35] <DJ2SEA> RocketBoy I'm copying XABEN at a steady 20 dB S/N ratio in JO30CS. No idea though where the guy is ...
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> that is like
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> the first time I see this
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[14:35] <mfa298> willdude123: it's doing something similar to what we do with RTTY with HAB's but has been around much longer (I think I first came accross it at least 10 years ago)
[14:35] <RocketBoy> thanks DJ2SEA - keep on it the gps may come back soon
[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD there are two PIE balloons on the map
[14:36] Action: willdude123 wonders why. Loads of people have been kicked or banned by eroomde (fairly)
[14:36] <RocketBoy> just a few more degrees
[14:36] <Wolfy_K4GHL> yall dont use any HF transmitters on the Euro balloons do you?
[14:36] <Rob_m0dts> M0UPU-11/WIDE1-1/WIDE2-1>APRS>UI,?,F0: !/4/*:OMLbO /A=079372|![|PA/M0UPU,1585,16
[14:36] <slacko24903> ava has just appears on spacenear.us
[14:36] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: >100 new people (wonderful!) so it's just incase. not that i could imagine there being any issue.
[14:37] <willdude123> Will xabens GPS un-freeze?
[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not two PIE the coders are linjing AVA & UPU-11 together
[14:37] <mfa298> willdude123: if you tuned your FCD to 144.800 and set it to NFM you'll hear APRS data - you then need some other software to decode it (not sure what's recommended these days though)
[14:37] <jcoxon> eroomde, on the train
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[14:37] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, so we are famous now because we got 260 people :)?
[14:37] <eroomde> Wolfy_K4GHL: can't speak for the eu as it's lots of different countries but in the UK we can't use any amatuer bands at amatier powers
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[14:37] <eroomde> we can just take advantage of the license exemption on 70sm for <10mW
[14:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> They linked it
[14:37] <RocketBoy> willdude123: may unfreeze - just my guess
[14:38] <RocketBoy> if it don't pop 1st
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[14:38] <eroomde> jcoxon: cool
[14:38] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ahhhh thanks...
[14:38] <eroomde> where abouts?
[14:38] <raspitv2> Ooh - got another balloon Moupu is that AVA?
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[14:38] <jcoxon> slough
[14:38] <jcoxon> awesome
[14:38] <vcazan> omg this is amazing, I was planning to launch a weather balloon in june but how do you use this service to track your ballon, I was planning on using a cheap cell gps
[14:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah 434 MHz radiometrix transmitters :)
[14:39] <vcazan> looks like I need to find an amature radio club
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> <vcazan> http://ukhas.org.uk/start
[14:39] <vcazan> thanks!
[14:39] <eroomde> vcazan: we use a system we've designed as hobbyists using amatuer-radio type techniques
[14:40] <raspitv2> uXABEN too now?
[14:40] <DJ2SEA> Where are you from @vcazan?
[14:40] <vcazan> im from ontario canada
[14:40] <bertrik> PIE is now at nearly 33 km, will it float?
[14:40] <raspitv2> will it blend?
[14:40] <eroomde> you basically set up your payload to transmit in a cwertain way, and enthusiasts with receivers and the right bit of modem software on their pc can decode the messages and upload them automatically to the web
[14:40] <RocketBoy> xaben just burst methoinks
[14:40] <Maxell> 32702 m :l
[14:40] <willdude123> vcazan: Gsm GPS transmitters are unreliable.
[14:40] <Graham_G3VZV> ooh xaben just did a funny doppler wiggle and big fade
[14:40] <vcazan> I have been flying rc for years now but I want to go higher! i've been obsesed with space the last year
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[14:41] <vcazan> I know they drop at 60,000 feet, I also have a video transmitter with on screen display of GPS
[14:41] <Lunar_Lander> yay more Canadians!
[14:41] <vcazan> but I want THIS!
[14:41] <DL7AD> I guess PIE will not float because its ascending too fast.
[14:41] <eroomde> some gps units do vcazan
[14:41] <eroomde> but not all
[14:41] <DJ2SEA> Graham_G3VZV, yes frequency is going down for me too.
[14:41] <eroomde> we use ones which work >60,000ft
[14:41] <Wolfy_K4GHL> Looks like they have launched KC5NXD supposedly tx between 14.103 and 14.104 mhz out of Mississippi USA
[14:42] <willdude123> Man I want to build an arducopter. Can't afford it though :(
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[14:43] <willdude123> We should make a balloon that flies a small rc plane or helicopter, and make it fly to a point where we can fetch it.
[14:43] <willdude123> On landing.
[14:43] <Maxell> willdude123: "we"?
[14:44] <willdude123> Generic we.
[14:44] <vcazan> what my ultimate goal is to launch a glider and then fly it down
[14:44] <mfa298> vcazan: there are often a few people from the US and canada on here who can probably help. I'm not sure the frequencies the UK use are legal over there unless you have a Radio License, but there are a few radio options that might work
[14:44] <vcazan> but that will take some practice
[14:44] <eroomde> vcazan: that's been done before - by a canadian infact!
[14:44] <willdude123> The legality of gliders are messy.
[14:44] <NickSF> @willdude123 that was done by Flitetest a while ago
[14:44] <Maxell> bertrik: nope, I see a bend in the altitude graph
[14:44] <Maxell> looks good so faw
[14:44] <willdude123> What about an ardupilot glider?
[14:44] <vcazan> mfa298: thanks yeah I am aware of the differences, but im sure the tech is all the same
[14:45] <willdude123> NickSF: Was it towed up by a plane?
[14:45] <vcazan> that would work but wouldn't be as fun lol
[14:45] <NickSF> willdude123by balloon - just finding the link
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[14:45] <costyn> woa... elevation 61 degreees
[14:46] <mfa298> vcazan: yes, you can do similar things to what we do in the UK - I think most of the USA habbers use APRS but that generally needs a Radio License (and we can't legally use it in it's normal form for some of europe)
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[14:46] <NickSF> http://youtu.be/DQMi6Jk38g0 - its a long video
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[14:46] <willdude123> Is it legal to fly quadrocopters where you cant see them?
[14:47] <vcazan> willdude123: nope
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[14:47] <Maxell> costyn: it's crazy.
[14:47] <raspitv2> not int he UK willdude
[14:47] <willdude123> That sucks.
[14:47] <AndrewS> So does the balloon use GPS to work out where it is and then turn on or off APRS based on that?
[14:47] <vcazan> willdude123: not in the usa or canada, what is worse in canada we cant launch a ballon bigger then 115 cubic feet
[14:47] <jcoxon> i think it still applies in the UK about RC stuff
[14:47] <mfa298> AndrewS: that's what AVA is doing
[14:47] <NickSF> damn - that was the wrong link :( try http://youtu.be/rpBnurznFio
[14:47] <Graham_G3VZV> xbaben qsying down in frequency very quickly now
[14:47] <Maxell> costyn: it's now kinda in the blind spot of revspace. But lol 60 degrees
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[14:48] <costyn> hhe
[14:48] <mfa298> AndrewS: if you look at the plot on aprs.fi you should also see the country prefix in the comments (so currently I think it's PA/M0UPU-11)
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[14:48] <AndrewS> So it needs some kind of big "am I in a APRS area" lookup table?
[14:49] <PE2BZ> xaben +40 dB and currently stable on freq in JO21CX
[14:49] <vcazan> are alll those radio towers on the map set up by people or are they real radio towers
[14:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> does AVA still RTTY ?
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[14:49] <raspitv2> So is APRS allowed in Holland and Germany? What about Poland?
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[14:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> raspitv2: its legal airborne
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> <vcazan> just receiving stations radio amateurs /listners etc
[14:50] <mfa298> AndrewS: yep it's got some boundaries in the code so it can detect where it is
[14:50] <raspitv2> Is PIE on APRS as well?
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> No
[14:50] <DJ2SEA> APRS is allowed in Germany
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[14:51] <DL5SFI_Steffen> Hallo Aachen :)
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[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> APRS Boundaries RED -NO / GREEN-YES Yellow- don't know yet https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=https:%2F%2Fraw.github.com%2FUpuaut%2FAPRS_Projects%2Fmaster%2FData%2FEurope.kml&hl=en&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.622047,20.083008&t=h&z=3
[14:51] <vcazan> Geoff-G8DHE: Wow thats amazing
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Click each aeriqal tower and you will see their details
[14:52] <DJ2SEA> Hallo Steffen! Gruß nach Leonberg ...
[14:52] <AndrewS> Cool
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[14:52] <Maxell> It's still going up quite fast.
[14:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> is there now any need to gate the APRS traffic?
[14:52] <costyn> been looking for PIE above me, but can't see it unfortunately
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hover mouse of balloon track to see which stations recived telelmetry at that point
[14:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> fo far been listening for PIE
[14:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> fo = so
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> and I am from Osnabruck
[14:52] <jcoxon> Maxell, when it slows it'll do it quickly
[14:52] <Lunar_Lander> and we had a balloon too on March 5 :)
[14:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: im using HF :-)
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[14:53] <fsphil> hiya nosebleedkt
[14:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: mostyl 10m band
[14:53] <nosebleedkt> fsphil,
[14:53] <nosebleedkt> question
[14:53] <nosebleedkt> for ssdv
[14:53] <Sven_> i see
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[14:53] <Sven_> thats how tee is smuggled into the netherlands these days
[14:53] <fsphil> fire away
[14:54] <nosebleedkt> I have 48bytes of jpeg. After your ssdv code, how many bytes do i have?
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[14:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: is KC5NXD working with RTTY ?
[14:54] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: 256 bytes. can you even have a 48 byte jpeg?
[14:54] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom any luck with it? I have heard the band open recently... Not that i have heard yet...
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[14:54] <DL5SFI_Steffen> the "AVA" is too north :)
[14:55] <nosebleedkt> 48 bytes is the amount I can transmit through radio
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[14:55] <costyn> lol... dl-fldigi reports 84 elevation
[14:55] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: look at http://www.arhab.org/ records -> telemetry -> HF :-)
[14:56] <Maxell> costyn: ok, blind spot i think
[14:56] <Wolfy_K4GHL> I am between Charlotte NC and Greensboro so not sure if I will hear it yet... I will thx
[14:56] <Maxell> almost no s/n ratio lest
[14:56] <fsphil> costyn: take cover
[14:56] <AndrewS> Yay, made it over the sea :)
[14:56] <costyn> fsphil: been trying to spot it... it's slightly hazy but otherwise blue
[14:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> are the APRS signals AFSK 1200bd or APRS packets over RTTY?
[14:56] <fsphil> we need the camera to point down a little more
[14:56] <raspitv2> yep AndrewS looks like over the Hague now
[14:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: i have nothing on 20meters
[14:57] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> trying to spot here as well
[14:57] <raspitv2> bit high isn't it?
[14:57] <Maxell> costyn: 7 minutes no packets
[14:57] <craag_M0DNY> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: AFSK 1200 baud
[14:57] <craag_M0DNY> on 144.800
[14:58] <chrisstubbs> oh my god, those PL2303 usb<ttl converters are complete s**te
[14:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> oh, real APRS
[14:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I thought 70cms
[14:58] <Maxell> costyn: LOLOLOLOL, it was ABOVE RevSpace
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[14:59] <craag_M0DNY> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: There is a 70cm transmitter as well, but that failed earlier and as far as I know hasn't recovered.
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[14:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> ah, OK, plenty of 144.800 IGates here
[14:59] <jcoxon> worth listening for Ava's 70cm signal though
[14:59] <costyn> Maxell: hehehe
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[14:59] <craag_M0DNY> The real APRS is only allowed in a few countries though, and *not* the UK.
[15:00] <Maxell> lol, revspace https://revspace.nl/images/5/5a/Screenshot_from_2013-04-13_16-58-01.png
[15:00] <Wolfy_K4GHL> I am hearing some data on 14.103.74 but nothing is translating
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[15:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> although going to the UK quite frequently, I did not know that!
[15:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> thanks
[15:01] <MasterZap_> its a pity the camera isnt angeled like 45 degrees down
[15:01] <fsphil> indeed
[15:01] <DL5SFI_Steffen> new position from m0upu-11 :)
[15:01] <Maxell> and it did not get picked up!
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[15:01] <MasterZap_> view right now is kinda.... underwhelming :)
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[15:01] <mfa298> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: it's allowed on the ground but UK rules don't allow amateur radio from airborne
[15:01] <Graham_G3VZV> aprs is ok here on land and sea its just not ok when flying!
[15:01] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ok, how do you reply so someones nick shows without having to type it? man its been a long time since I used IRC
[15:01] <MasterZap_> still awesome that we get ANYTHING but....
[15:02] <fsphil> Wolfy_K4GHL: type a few letters and press tab
[15:02] <Wolfy_K4GHL> fsphil: thanks
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[15:02] <RocketBoy> loosing xaben here
[15:02] <Graham_G3VZV> xaben now much much weaker and no longer decoding:(
[15:02] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: did you get my last?
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup uXABEN47 dropped for e as well :-(
[15:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: 14.103.74 is the dial frequency ?
[15:03] <Rob_m0dts> if the Aurora sparks up later maybe something in the photos?!
[15:03] <Wolfy_K4GHL> afirm... got something on 14.104.94 now
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[15:04] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: could be Winlink email from the sounds of it though
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[15:04] <Graham_G3VZV> xaben now gone here
[15:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> going QSY to the car RX, checking on the inverter battery levels and putting APRS RX in
[15:04] <DL5SFI_Steffen> AVA is not updated on Near Space. On APRS.FI gabs ne position at 17:01:05
[15:04] <fsphil> Rob_m0dts: was wondering that
[15:05] <Rob_m0dts> yeah, camwea might not be sensitive enough for it though..
[15:05] <Rob_m0dts> *camera
[15:05] <costyn> lol... S/N of 33
[15:05] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: from what i have read, it will be between 14.103 and 14.104 somewhere....
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[15:05] <Maxell> costyn: ok, RevSpace is recieving again; $PIEl;09,15:05:12,51.99775,4.16305,36310,1
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[15:05] <Maxell> 04,119,9*1E16
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[15:06] <Maxell> costyn: it was too strong
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[15:06] <Maxell> with habamp
[15:06] <Maxell> :S
[15:06] <costyn> Maxell: no it was overhead I think
[15:06] <costyn> Maxell: kind of a null area
[15:06] <ve1tv> Wolfy: RTTY right?
[15:06] <Maxell> could be too
[15:06] <Maxell> insane high s/n :P
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> does someone have a dial frequency?
[15:06] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ve1tv: aye... and the software shows one other as well...
[15:06] <Lunar_Lander> for PIE
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[15:07] <DJ2SEA> Lunar_Lander: 434.0735 MHz
[15:07] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[15:08] <Wolfy_K4GHL> This is my first time using this software and trying this, so I am not sure what I am listening for... I am watching the circle on the map as well as scanning the dial trying to find that sweetspot :)
[15:08] <DJ2SEA> Lunar_Lander: 434.0697 MHz is the second qrg I can copy
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[15:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
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[15:10] <oh7lzb> Is the upu balloon going to transmit in the yellow countries, or just the green ones? Finland would have been fine.
[15:10] <costyn> I see PB0NER is receiveing too... lol
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[15:11] <costyn> oh7lzb: the yellow ones he didn't have any info for, so not transmitting
[15:11] <oh7lzb> 8(
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[15:11] <pws> df3lp, Kiel, Baltic Sea: just heared 434.073, usb, rtty, very weak on balcony, hand-held
[15:11] <oh7lzb> I had forgottone about Wassenaar treaty, had to look it up, since it's heading that way.
[15:12] <oh7lzb> On international waters... could transmit. :)
[15:12] <Lunar_Lander> costyn, XD
[15:12] <tobydj> The pie just passed over my house :-) Didn't see though, didn't look !
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[15:13] <costyn> tobydj: I've been looking a lot, haven't spotted it
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[15:13] <costyn> tobydj: too small and some high clouds
[15:13] <Elmar_PD3EM> Pi is heading straight to me but waaaayyy to high to take a photo ;-)
[15:13] <costyn> tobydj: passed over my house too
[15:13] <Lunar_Lander> damn I receive nothing
[15:13] <tobydj> 37km is to far to see.
[15:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> even with my 1000 mm zoom it's impossible to find it up there ;-)
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[15:15] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ve1tv: have you done this before?
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[15:16] <ve1tv> 1st time I tried to use the software
[15:16] <vcazan> If I purchase a simple APRS trasmitter with GPS can I use aprs.fi to find it, or would I need my own station
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[15:16] <ve1tv> don't know my digi sigs
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[15:17] <mfa298> vcazan: you're own recieving station is useful but for APRS if the local network is good you migt not need it. You will need someone with an Amateur Radio license though (if you don't have one yourself)
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[15:17] <Wolfy_K4GHL> should get Ham Radio Deluxe, the free version, and listen.. I can identify some of the sigs... that and look into WINLINK radio email...
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[15:18] <vcazan> mfa298: so just to turn on a transmitter you need a licence eh?
[15:18] <oh7lzb> yes
[15:18] <Wolfy_K4GHL> hey yall... The big blue circles that are shown on the map, is that the line of sight of the ballon?
[15:18] <mfa298> ARPS uses amateur radio frequencies so will need a license
[15:18] <oh7lzb> in many places, to possess a transmitter you need a license
[15:18] <vcazan> mfa298: are they hard to get? Im looking at ways to go around it but it seems like the best bet is to go
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[15:19] <oh7lzb> on most places, getting a license is pretty easy these days, the requirements have been lowered a lot
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[15:19] <mfa298> the system used by PIE (and documented on the ukhas wiki) uses an ISM band which doesn't require a license (but is very restrictive) but that's europe and I'm not sure the same ISM band applies in canada
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[15:20] <mfa298> vcazan: best thing to do is to find the local amateur radio club and talk to them. You might find someone that's interested that would join your team
[15:20] <vcazan> I found a local club that has classes but they take 3 months and I was planning on launching sooner
[15:20] <ve1tv> Wolfy_K4GHL mouse over the circles
[15:20] <mfa298> but they can also tell you what you need to do for the license yourself
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[15:21] <mfa298> and will probably know more about the local regulations.
[15:21] <vcazan> mfa298: oh so I just need someone there with me with a licence thats another good idea
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[15:21] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ve1tv: ahhh thx
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[15:22] <Robint91> PIE is turning to my direction
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[15:23] <Wolfy_K4GHL> Man there is some seriously over powered idiots on 14.103 doing winlink email... why dont folks learn to turn their power down when doing digital....
[15:23] <ve1tv> is winlink the pulsed one? I am watching on a SDR-IQ
[15:23] <PE2BZ> Robint91: Catch him if you can ;-)
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[15:24] <Wolfy_K4GHL> winlink uses bursts of data then the soflware sends an ack, then another set, rinse repeat...
[15:24] <PE2G> Robint91: Where are you?
[15:24] <tobydj> What is the burst altitude of the pie?
[15:25] <Robint91> JO21PC
[15:25] <Wolfy_K4GHL> usually its a long burst followed by a short then a long and the end is finished with CW ID
[15:25] <WB8ELK> Hearing KC5NXD HF balloon from Mississippi on 14.104 MHz USB here in Alabama...curious if anyone in Europe can hear it
[15:25] <craag_M0DNY> tobydj: Ideally it won't have one :)
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[15:25] <Wolfy_K4GHL> WB8ELK: thanks for the freq.. been hunting it
[15:25] <craag_M0DNY> It's configured to just float
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[15:26] <Wolfy_K4GHL> I am picking up a sig but no decoding of it yet...
[15:26] <WB8ELK> if you tune 14.104 MHz USB the signal is centered aroun 1700 Hz in the waterfall display
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[15:26] <WB8ELK> It sends CW, DominoEX16 followed by 110 baud ASCII RTTY each minute
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[15:27] <AndrewS> "configured to float" ?
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[15:27] <Robint91> PE2BZ, PE2G I have now a constant good stream of packets
[15:27] <PE2G> Nice.
[15:27] <AndrewS> How's that work?
[15:28] <Ro_> 38Km!
[15:28] <James-in-berks> So if its just going to float, how does it come down - gas leakage?
[15:28] <tobydj> Ah I see it's pretty much floating now.
[15:28] <Elmar_PD3EM> still having problems decoding PIE....
[15:28] <PE2G> Incredible, it really seesm to float...
[15:28] <craag_M0DNY> James-in-berks: Yeah, that or the latex slowly degrades in the sun and eventually bursts.
[15:29] <James-in-berks> How far can a float ballon last?
[15:29] <PE2BZ> Robint91: About 30 dB above noise level, with FCD and 5/8 wave vertical at 12 m asl
[15:29] <Wolfy_K4GHL> WB8ELK: what radio are you using ?
[15:29] <craag_M0DNY> As far as I understand it there is only just enough helium for ascent, and eventually the latex is compressing the helium enough that it equalises with the outside presssure, so you have no more lift, so it just stays there.
[15:29] <Robint91> PE2BZ, I have something like that also
[15:29] <tobydj> To infinity and beyond.
[15:29] <Laurenceb_> M0UPU-11 is APRS?
[15:29] <Robint91> It is cool that it crossed the channel
[15:29] <ON5RZ> hey elmar - just got online and decoding - seems to drift towards limburg .. s9+ herein antwerp
[15:29] <AndrewS> hydrogen ;)
[15:30] <PE2G> Elmar_PD3EM: Receive filter bandwidth on Auto?
[15:30] <K9JKM> Just copied KC5NXD ... good signals on 14.104 with a dipole in Chicago area
[15:30] <oh7lzb> James-in-berks: Several days if you're lucky - it will burst eventually due to the latex not liking UV radiation from the sun
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[15:30] <Robint91> Hi ON5RZ, fellow belgain :p reporting from limburg
[15:30] <Laurenceb_> the hydrogen seems to protect the latex
[15:30] <James-in-berks> thanks
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[15:30] <Dogcow> Peeking at 38K
[15:30] <oh7lzb> James-in-berks: When it's that high, the atmosphere doesn't provide too much shielding from UV
[15:30] <Laurenceb_> probably as its a reducing agent
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[15:30] <Laurenceb_> He and latex doesnt seem to last as long
[15:30] <craag_M0DNY> Yay globaltuner gives me my first decoded packet :D
[15:30] <AndrewS> Rub it with suncream? ;-)
[15:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> PE2G: thanks! Was at abt 120 widht..
[15:31] <PE2BZ> Elmar_PD3EM: I'm not trying to decode right now, just recording with SDR-Radio V2. Will install the software to try decode later and then be ready to give it a realtime try the next launch.
[15:31] <PE2G> Had that problem too a while ago.
[15:31] <S1NPS> Presumably it's a set level of buoyancy, which should level out before the ballon bursts due to pressure (which is what the balloons going for altitude do)
[15:31] <geo> Wow i never expected it to go south so much. because wind is predicted to be north, im guessing different altitudes different direction
[15:31] <Elmar_PD3EM> getting much better now ;-)
[15:32] <mfa298> someone spoke too soon, it looks like pie has started going up at >1 m/s again.
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[15:32] <ON5RZ> angle is to steep from here elmar :-)
[15:32] <WB8ELK> thanks for the report K9JKM
[15:32] <ve1tv> :(
[15:32] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hey Raf ON5RZ
[15:33] <Elmar_PD3EM> Earlier it was gone as it was floating straight over ;-)
[15:33] <ON5RZ> hey robin - i'm in antwerp looking NE ..
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[15:33] <Wolfy_K4GHL> WB8ELK: are you listening on USB or Dig mode?
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[15:34] <Elmar_PD3EM> now waiting for AVA to return on APRS....
[15:35] <Dogcow> Has xaben made it across the sea, does anyone knoe?
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[15:35] <ProPi> Hi, I just joined. Can someone tell me why the live pictures looks like shit now? :P Btw, is it the new pi cam module?
[15:36] <Dogcow> And what about AVA? No reports for half an hour?
[15:36] <Robint91> what is the transmitter of the PIE made of
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[15:36] <Robint91> a simple PMR radio + software modulation
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[15:36] <Robint91> or something more integrated?
[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> I don't think the Camera had the dynamic range of a standard photo camera and hence the contrast is all over the place
[15:36] <AndrewS> I wonder if the next pie-balloon could be fitted with solar panels, to extend the battery life? Or would they add too much weight?
[15:36] <mattbrejza> ntx2 modules Robint91
[15:37] <mfa298> Robint91: it's a raspberry pi, Arduino and a pair of NTX2 transmitters
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[15:37] <eroomde> Robint91: not PMR so much. it's an fm module in the 10mW license exempt band on 434MHz
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[15:37] <gonzo_> 2x radiometrix NTX2 modules I believe
[15:37] <eroomde> it has a VCO on the input, so the pie generates one of two voltages to give the mark and space frequencies
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[15:37] <Robint91> okay
[15:37] <Robint91> nice
[15:37] <Robint91> works quite well
[15:38] <mfa298> hows that, four answers for the price of one!
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[15:38] <eroomde> Robint91: you can read about it here: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[15:38] <Robint91> :p
[15:38] <ProPi> Thx
[15:38] <Wolfy_K4GHL> lost KC5NXD on my beam...
[15:39] <Dogcow> AVA is heading back out to sea again??
[15:39] <AndrewS> Robint91: http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=1005
[15:39] <eroomde> that looks a bit suspect AndrewS
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[15:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> must be a delayed packet..
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[15:39] <eroomde> yep, or given it's passed the checksum maybe the flight computer has misunderstood the gps
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[15:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> AVA is back!
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[15:41] <Dogcow> Yeah it's ashore alright (SIGH)
[15:41] <Defhammer> looks like it is lvling out
[15:41] <DL5SFI_Steffen> welcome "AVA" _:-)
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[15:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> But strange thing with the two German APRS stations on the APRS packet when I digipeat a position...
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[15:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Elmar, I can´t figure it out either
[15:42] <DL5SFI_Steffen> in PA are many APRS Igates online :)
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[15:42] <Elmar_PD3EM> 15:42:06 (RF) Received packet: "APRS 0M0UPU ;WIDE1 1WIDE2 1<03><F0>!/4.g{Od<WO /A=103889|!e|PA/M0UPU,1918,0".
[15:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> maybe it is somehow invalid and no gated?
[15:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> because I think I heard tons of TXs on 144.800 but my D72 would not decode them as APRS
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[15:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> also, I RXd FLD on a rubber ducky out on the street, so there is some DX
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[15:44] <Wolfy_K4GHL> anyone hearing KC5NXD and if so what freq?
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[15:44] <bertrik> hm, something more interesting is appearing on PIE SSDV
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[15:44] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: me dont
[15:44] <Ro_> Image 54 loadung now looks interesting
[15:44] <oh7lzb> http://aprs.fi/stats/daily - getting some additional traffic here...
[15:45] <DL5SFI_Steffen> funny no PA STation shows the APRS
[15:45] <AndrewS> fireworks? ;)
[15:45] <Wolfy_K4GHL> I can hear some dig stuff out in the noise but nothing thats showing....
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[15:46] <Wolfy_K4GHL> my last decode was half hour ago
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[15:46] <oh7lzb> DL5SFI_Steffen: I'm sure a lot of PA stations hear it, but duplicate packet filtering in APRS-IS drops the copies so we don't know which ones hear it
[15:46] <willdude123> Should I put ads on my blog?
[15:46] <DL5SFI_Steffen> dann mthen the German stations have the faster line into the net :)
[15:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> indead, but that also means that the data streams to PA from APRS-IS probably have more latency
[15:47] <MasterZap_> Are we gonna hit Germany?
[15:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Steffen, indeed!
[15:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> It might be the way that APRS-IS is organized
[15:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> dial freq for PIE pls
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[15:48] <DL5SFI_Steffen> one is still in PA with 56k modem on the road?
[15:48] <DL5SFI_Steffen> :-X
[15:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> haha 56k6 modems...good old times
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[15:48] <MasterZap_> Hey, I've used a 1200 baud modem
[15:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> PA has the most glassfiber in EU
[15:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> MasterZap_: me too :-)
[15:49] <MasterZap_> No wait, actually, I've *seen* an acoustically coupled 300 baud modem used. LONG ago.
[15:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> same here
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[15:49] <MasterZap_> I can't say "I" used it, but....
[15:49] <costyn> looks like a nice float
[15:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> I did use hayes 9600 for quite some time
[15:49] <MasterZap_> So will PIE hit Germany perhaps?
[15:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> <SP9UOB_Tom> 434.068 and 434.073
[15:49] <PE2BZ> Then I'm old. I have used an acoustic coupled 300 baud modem....
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[15:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> car-rx is missing packetsq, going down to check
[15:50] <craag_M0DNY> MasterZap_: Looks like it.
[15:50] <costyn> wonder where daveake and Upu are hanging out
[15:50] <daveake> home
[15:50] <AndrewS> Anybody else see a dog face in Image 54? :)
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[15:50] <daveake> well I am
[15:50] <daveake> Upu is on his way home
[15:50] <DL5SFI_Steffen> [APRS via PA1PAS-9,PD0HRY-2,WIDE2*,qAR,PD0HRY-2] very nice
[15:50] <daveake> Images a bit erm shit
[15:50] <MasterZap_> Then Austria?
[15:50] <MasterZap_> Then THE WORLD [mouhahahaha]
[15:50] <daveake> I see AVA is saved by APRS. cool
[15:50] <craag_M0DNY> daveake: Are you saving full quality ones on the sd card?
[15:50] <ON5RZ> who it seems to have already decode some 13 photo's ;-)
[15:50] <costyn> craag_M0DNY: there's no point
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[15:50] <costyn> craag_M0DNY: no recovery
[15:50] <DL5SFI_Steffen> yes hello dave
[15:50] <Wolfy_K4GHL> i think i got it again 14.104.85
[15:51] <daveake> No same resolution but lots more of them
[15:51] <daveake> However it's not a lack of resolution
[15:51] <MasterZap_> Camera... angled down.... 45 degrees... next one? :)
[15:51] <craag_M0DNY> Yeah it looks like too much compression to me.
[15:51] <K9JKM> 20M is in a fade at the moment in Chicago
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[15:51] <daveake> too much contrast for it I think
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[15:52] <craag_M0DNY> That's a shame.
[15:52] <Wolfy_K4GHL> K9JKM: it was strong in NC then went poof... then back great.. now silent
[15:52] <daveake> Well the pics on the ground didn't suffer from too much compression, so I don't think it's that either
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[15:53] <Wolfy_K4GHL> back again....
[15:53] <costyn> daveake: it is a difficult place to take pictures
[15:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: whats the freq ?
[15:53] <costyn> especially if there's clouds below
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[15:53] <AndrewS> daveake: congrats on the launch and live-downloading images :)
[15:53] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: 14.104.85
[15:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: this is the dial frequency ?
[15:54] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: yes
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[15:54] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
[15:54] <K9JKM> For comparison I tuned down to regular RTTY on 14.080 but QSB there too ... seeing if I can use MMTTY to catch balloon telemetry
[15:54] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, recieved anything?
[15:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: it is transmitting continiuosly?
[15:54] <Robint91> PIE is comming closer
[15:54] <Wolfy_K4GHL> SP9UOB_Tom: no... i get it coming and going...
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[15:55] <ve1tv> Wolfy_K4GHL: where on the waterfall when at 14104.85?
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[15:55] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: Yes, PIE is coming in very fine on 434.073 at the moment. 22 dB S/N
[15:55] <Wolfy_K4GHL> ve1tv: about 1850 centered
[15:55] <Wolfy_K4GHL> Transmitting now
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[15:56] <MasterZap_> Clearly, PIE is being beamed aboard an alien craft as I type
[15:56] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: And it's coming closer. Distance at the moment ~ 100 km
[15:56] <Wolfy_K4GHL> or i should say something is
[15:56] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, distance 65km here
[15:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> Wolfy_K4GHL: no traces at all
[15:57] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, 28dB S/N
[15:57] <nosebleedkt> Robint91, :)
[15:57] <daveake> I hope everyone is still watching the SSDV at 9pm UK time tonight, when the camera will switch to a special mode ......
[15:57] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: 98 km, 24 dB
[15:57] <MasterZap_> Man, had I written the sofware for PIE, I would have had it illicitly composite in UFO's on random frames.
[15:58] <Graham_G3VZV> are the SSDV pictures being stored and can we look at them over the internet?
[15:58] <Wolfy_K4GHL> sounds like a busy signal... bawwwmmmmmp bawwwwwmmmppppp over and over
[15:58] <craag_M0DNY> Graham_G3VZV: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[15:58] <costyn> daveake: just broadcast a stored image I guess? :)
[15:58] <Graham_G3VZV> tnxs!
[15:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> hi G
[15:58] <daveake> I'm saying nothing
[15:58] <Wolfy_K4GHL> FT-897D on digital mode....
[15:58] <craag_M0DNY> G8GTZ: Still going strong I see!
[15:59] <costyn> daveake: could be a great opportunity for a 'shock site' pic from 40k haha
[15:59] <daveake> Wait and see
[15:59] <tobydj> Looks to be heading to Aachen. If it's lucky it might do 3 countries in as many mins.
[15:59] <DL5SFI_Steffen> DJ2SEA_:: zieh dein Kopf ein - der fliegt ja genau auf dichzu :)
[16:00] <cuddykid> oh dear, what have you done now daveake haha :P
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[16:00] <GMT> you will have to wait until 9pm
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[16:00] <DJ2SEA_> Oh, I see. No wonder the signal is going up. PIE is heading in my direction now. :-)
[16:00] Action: mfa298 assumes it will be some form of habbers shock site from ~40km
[16:01] <Robint91> 39877 meters now
[16:01] <griffonbot> @daveake: Video of Pi In The Sky 5 (and AVA) launch #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi https://t.co/lT5o2gtgF5 [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323103680926732289]
[16:01] <PE7ER> hi all, question can i get fldigi to save the ssdv pic locally too?
[16:02] <AndrewS> Is there a reason for PIE being so much higher than AVA or is it just due to the randomness of the wind?
[16:02] <daveake> Yes there's an option in the config form
[16:02] <PE7ER> tnx Dave
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[16:02] <daveake> PIE had a slightly higher ascent rate that's all
[16:02] <goodnessgracious> Why is PIE the only one giving speed over ground?
[16:02] <daveake> AVA was slower than planned
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[16:02] <Lunar_Lander> hi daveake
[16:03] <daveake> Because I like to transmit that and most people don't bother
[16:03] <Robint91> 39929 metesr
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> does someone have another dial frequency for me?
[16:03] <daveake> Lunar!!
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> I got nothing
[16:03] <daveake> You realise there are flights up don't you?
[16:03] <daveake> You should be close enough
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> I got my Yaesu here
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> on USB
[16:03] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: very strong on 434.073 MHz. Should be possible to receive it in D'dorf ...
[16:03] <AndrewS> Was that because AVA had less hydrogen?
[16:04] <harpo-fr> it's going down
[16:04] <Robint91> it is going down
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[16:04] <daveake> That means it's floating
[16:04] <costyn> Robint91: only slightly
[16:04] <costyn> means its floating
[16:04] <daveake> It'll drift up and down
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[16:04] <Wolfy_K4GHL> Lunar_Lander: where are you located?
[16:04] <Lunar_Lander> Osnabrück
[16:04] <craag_M0DNY> When it bursts, it'll do ~20m/s down or faster.
[16:05] <craag_M0DNY> *if
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[16:05] <DJ2SEA_> Are you guys really using hydrogen?
[16:05] <costyn> DJ2SEA_: yes
[16:05] <daveake> yes
[16:05] <Robint91> nice
[16:05] <costyn> DJ2SEA_: cheaper than helium and a renewable source, unlike helium
[16:05] <PE2G> Impressive, a floater at 40 km!
[16:05] <Lunar_Lander> AVA switched to APRS completely?
[16:06] <DL7AD> i guess not
[16:06] <Defhammer> I am glad you are using hydrogen we have such limited amounts of helium
[16:06] <craag_M0DNY> Lunar_Lander: The 70cm tx failed.
[16:06] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: if it's above a country where it's allowed yes
[16:06] <DJ2SEA_> costyn: Wow. We didn't dare when we used a baloon to pull up our antenna during the 160m CQ WW SSB in February. BTW hydrogen cost more or less the same as helium here at our source.
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[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> well
[16:07] <Lunar_Lander> either I am again the stupidiest champion or my simple extendable antenna is too bad
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[16:08] <GMT> whats the APRS tx freq on AVA?
[16:08] <costyn> DJ2SEA_: the guys using hydrogen are quite experienced in sending up HABs; they know what the risks are with hydrogen and what precautions to take
[16:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> 144.8
[16:08] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: Antenna is not that critical. My X-50 is installed under the roof.
[16:08] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: likely your antenna
[16:08] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: do you have a magmount antenna for on your car?
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I just got the simple whip antenna connected to the BNC of the FT-790R
[16:08] <Lunar_Lander> sadly not
[16:09] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: then you can do what P2EG did and sit in the car :)
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[16:09] <craag_M0DNY> Lunar_Lander: Do you have line-of-sight out to where the balloon is?
[16:09] <Lunar_Lander> no, not really
[16:09] <Wolfy_K4GHL> anyone hearing KC5NXD on HF?
[16:09] <craag_M0DNY> That may be the issue with a small antenna, can you go outside and try?
[16:09] <mfa298> If it's a mag mount antenna sitting it on something that it sticks to could help as well - gives it more of a groundplane
[16:10] <Lunar_Lander> that is difficult because I am like on the first floor and just got the desktop computer here
[16:10] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: you can't be sitting inside, that doesn't work unfrotunatley
[16:10] <PE2G> costyn: Well, I'm actually at home.
[16:10] <DL5SFI_Steffen> I hear with my DVB-T stick anything: (
[16:11] <craag_M0DNY> Lunar_Lander: Any way to put the antenna out of the window, or go to a window facing the balloon?
[16:11] <Robint91> does someone have an indication where it is going to land?
[16:11] <Lunar_Lander> trying the first idea now
[16:12] <goodnessgracious> Is uXABEN moving very slowly?
[16:12] <Dogcow> Land? What land?
[16:12] <DJ2SEA_> DL5SFI_Steffen: You are probably too far away.
[16:12] <costyn> Robint91: no idea... it'll probably float through the night, might burst at sunrise, might not... no idea where it might be at that moment
[16:12] <craag_M0DNY> goodnessgracious: uXABEN had a GPS fault, so stopped updating it's position.
[16:12] <DJ2SEA_> DL5SFI_Steffen: Couldn't decode anything for a long time, too.
[16:12] <costyn> Robint91: could be Hungary, could be Romania
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[16:12] <Robint91> costyn, okay, how long will be the batteries last?
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[16:13] <costyn> Robint91: not sure, daveake how long are the batteries gonna last?
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[16:13] <DL5SFI_Steffen> I think I have in SDRSharp not set correctly.
[16:13] <griffonbot> @daveake: RT @PD3EM: Good luck! RT @AnthonyStirk: In a field launching @Raspberry_Pi with @daveake #ukhas http://t.co/fXAhiEBhYH [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323106737819373569]
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[16:14] <mfa298> i think it was ~24 hours of batteries in pie
[16:14] <G0TDJ> Gotta go guys - Cheers!
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[16:14] <bam_> no solar pannels on borad?
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[16:14] <Robint91> did it cross the magical border of 40k?
[16:14] <DJ2SEA_> DL5SFI_Steffen: DVB-T sticks tend to have a significant offset in frequency. Before you rely on the indicated frequency, you should compensate the offset against a station of known frequency. E.g. a local radio broadcast station etc.
[16:14] <ON5RZ> no decoding with s9++ - is pi really on 8n2 300bd ?
[16:15] <daveake> batts 24-27 hours
[16:15] <Defhammer> out of curiosity will the camera survive looking directly into the sun
[16:15] <Robint91> ON5RZ, using dl-fldigi?
[16:15] <ON5RZ> yep
[16:15] <daveake> Yes 8N2 300
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[16:15] <ON5RZ> bizare
[16:15] <daveake> I'm not sure the camera /has/ survived that
[16:15] <PE7ER> autoconfig works fine here
[16:15] <DJ2SEA_> ON5RZ: dl-fldigi is deconding with the presets like a charm.
[16:16] <daveake> certainly should do
[16:16] <ON5RZ> it used to do so until 15 mins ago ..
[16:16] <daveake> Try the RV button
[16:16] <ON5RZ> idd tried it alread
[16:16] <daveake> well turn it off :)
[16:16] <DJ2SEA_> ON5RZ: are you sure you are really receiving PIE and not some other signal?
[16:16] <DL5SFI_Steffen> DJ2SEA: das hab ich gemacht , die lokalen Relais passen alle von den Frequenzen
[16:17] <ON5RZ> nope PIE on 434.072 on 20 elements to its current position ;-)
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[16:17] <DJ2SEA_> DL5SFI_Steffen: Bist du Nähe Stuttgart? Dann wird das wohl nichts ohne größere Antenne.
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[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> nothing
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> or as you say in GER
[16:18] <Lunar_Lander> nix
[16:18] <pa3hdm> zie alleen onzin in het scherm
[16:18] <DL5SFI_Steffen> ja wahrscheinlich bin ich noch zu weit weg
[16:18] <costyn> ON5RZ: you tried using the autoconfigure in dl-fldigi?
[16:18] <ON5RZ> yup
[16:18] <Robint91> ON5RZ, LSB <-> USB?
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[16:18] <ON5RZ> usb
[16:18] <costyn> pa3hdm: klopt, dat is image data. maar af en toe zit er een telemetry string in
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[16:19] <costyn> pa3hdm: en dl-fldigi zou af en toe groen moeten zijn en zeggen dat het gelukt is
[16:19] <Pata> Temp sensor would nice to have, now with the sun in the camera.
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> ach ja leute
[16:19] <ON5RZ> idd elmar maar zelf die decode hij niet meer .. tja ..
[16:19] <costyn> Pata: not going to make much difference
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> sind wir eig. auf USB oder LSB?
[16:19] <Maxell> lol, nederlands?
[16:19] <ON5RZ> signaal genoeg jammer
[16:19] <slacko24903> 40km!
[16:19] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: USB
[16:19] <Dogcow> PIE at 40 km and passing into Germany!
[16:19] <mclane> was gibts Lunar?
[16:19] <Robint91> 40037
[16:19] <costyn> cool
[16:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[16:19] <pa3hdm> waar staat die auto knop
[16:20] <daveake> Ah, new highest "live image" record lol
[16:20] <Robint91> now on telemetry
[16:20] <Lunar_Lander> joa das funkgerät steht im offenen fenster
[16:20] <Wolfy_K4GHL> Go PIE go!!!!
[16:20] <Lunar_Lander> aber es kommt nix an
[16:20] <DJ2SEA_> Welcome to Germany, PIE.
[16:20] <daveake> No I don't want it higher! Might burst
[16:20] <costyn> pa3hdm: je moet dl-fldigi in HAB mode opstarten.. is een van de 2 shortcuts die tijdens install worden neergezet
[16:20] <bertrik> More receivers are needed in Germany it seems
[16:21] <mclane> du brauchst ne gescheite Antenne, Lunar
[16:21] <costyn> bertrik: poland is coming into reach... and they're ready :)
[16:21] <Lunar_Lander> ja
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[16:21] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, how close is PIE now?
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[16:22] <griffonbot> @daveake: PIE5 breaks 40km whilst sending live images. #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323108825295122432]
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[16:22] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: Still 57 km away
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[16:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> mhhhh
[16:22] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: Interesting thing is: the signal doesn't go up ...
[16:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> mass kick
[16:22] <Wolfy_K4GHL> wow... everyone go poof
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[16:23] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, it is only 10mW
[16:23] <pa3hdm> gedaan nu en wat moet ik dan doen
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[16:23] <mfa298> I would guess it's a freenode server dying
[16:23] <Maxell> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: 'Ping timeout: 245 seconds' I think the webinterface-server failed.
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[16:23] <Defhammer> i am still here
[16:24] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:24] <craag_M0DNY> lol, if we are responsible for that... it would be awesome! (in a way)
[16:24] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: that's qrpp :-)
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[16:24] <mfa298> yep, they all look to be web/freenode
[16:24] <Wolfy_K4GHL> lots of timeouts from diff IPs...
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[16:24] <Dogcow_> Everybody quiet, else we die again...
[16:25] <chrisstubbs> oh wow python is easy
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[16:25] <chrisstubbs> its like vb, but you dont have to arse around downloading .net stuff all day
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[16:25] <chrisstubbs> and it actually works
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[16:26] <pws> de df3lp, Kiel: constant copy now @ 434.073, high baud rate?
[16:26] <pa3hdm> gebeurd niks
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[16:26] <nommo> chrisstubbs: Hehe - that's a QOTD candidate :)
[16:26] <mfa298> looking at the other channels I'm in there aren't many (if any disconnects) so we could have one of the higher number of web interface users
[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be interesting at about 18:30-19:00UTC when sunsets! http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/Pie_Dual/index.php?ind=54
[16:26] <goodness> Sorry, paused to get a French and German linguist.
[16:26] <daveake> Doing 165km. Pretty quick
[16:26] <daveake> 165kph that is
[16:26] <daveake> Must be over an autobahn
[16:26] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[16:27] <Maxell> :P
[16:27] <ON5RZ> bingo
[16:27] <griffonbot> @_smstext: RT @daveake: Video of Pi In The Sky 5 (and AVA) launch #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi https://t.co/lT5o2gtgF5 [http://twitter.com/_smstext/status/323110155954839553]
[16:27] <daveake> floaty float float. excellent
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[16:27] <tobydj> Is there a distance record for this sort of thing?
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[16:27] <daveake> Yes but this won't get it
[16:27] <pws> de df3lp: copy by ears only; was not prepared for that...
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[16:28] <griffonbot> @_smstext: RT @daveake: PIE5 breaks 40km whilst sending live images. #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/_smstext/status/323110324104466432]
[16:28] <tobydj> Thanks Dave. Quick response there.
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[16:30] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, it is coming awfully close to you
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[16:31] <slacko24903> AVA into Germany too...
[16:31] <Pata> Some one know how to clear the qwebirc irc screen ?? So the text start from top again, insted of logout and login.
[16:31] <zulla> live images are low resolution
[16:32] <tim__> how do i port forward my predictor?
[16:32] <daveake> yes very disappointing
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[16:32] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: 45 km. I guess that is as close as it gets...
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[16:32] <chrisstubbs> tim__ go to your routers IP address and log in
[16:32] <costyn> DJ2SEA_: went overhead here by a few hundred meters :)
[16:33] <navrac_home> some nice floating going on today
[16:33] <chrisstubbs> either or
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[16:33] <chrisstubbs> cd Desktop/python
[16:33] <chrisstubbs> oops
[16:33] <tim__> ive forgotten my login details for my router
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[16:33] <pa3hdm> can you shoot that baloon
[16:33] <goodness> daveake: Well done on altitude of transmission!
[16:34] <chrisstubbs> probably written on a sticker tim__ if not, factory reset
[16:34] <daveake> cheers shame about the images
[16:34] <daveake> Hope it's still in range at 9pm UK time
[16:34] <tim__> ive changed the password since i first got it
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[16:34] <chrisstubbs> google how to factory reset the model number
[16:35] <Wolfy-K4GHL> well that works... been a long time since I have used mIRC...
[16:35] <pa3hdm> nothing decoding
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[16:35] <ON5RZ> getting some static crashes - only lightning in poland for the moment
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[16:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> <daveake> Strange the lower freq. Tx is driffting a bit more than the other ?
[16:37] <pws> de df3lp: freq. seems to go down, now ãpprox. 434.0725
[16:37] <goodness> daveake: Getting any images from 40 KM up and a few hundred KM away is an achievement from such a tiny bit of kit.
[16:37] <mlysia> gonna be a great fall
[16:37] <daveake> Geoff-G8DHE How far apart are they now?
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[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.068.200 and 434.072.300
[16:38] <Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-04-13--16-15-00-PIE5-A3.jpeg?u=71
[16:38] <Laurenceb_> nice
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[16:38] <Laurenceb_> troposphere, stratosphere perhaps?
[16:38] <ON5RZ> waaw
[16:39] <griffonbot> @sende_ac: Just receiving live pictures from a #raspberrypi that is passing my place at an altitude of 40 km. @Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/sende_ac/status/323113097533472768]
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[16:39] <Maxell> RevSpace is not decoding anymore. It seem to be too feint
[16:39] <Felix___> wow
[16:39] <Felix___> that is amazing
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[16:40] <ON5RZ> it's going to fly over .. Effelsberg
[16:40] <Felix___> what do you think the equipment would cost, if I want to to something similar?
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[16:40] <futurity> Hi, About to start tracking (joining the game late), which payload and frequency is strongest to the uk?
[16:40] <ON5RZ> can't we get them to track it
[16:40] <Lunar_Lander> BBC estimates are about 2 million british pounds
[16:41] <griffonbot> @fakanelo: RT @daveake: PIE5 breaks 40km whilst sending live images. #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/fakanelo/status/323113637495599104]
[16:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> PIE5 is sending SSDV on two channels 434.068.200 and 434.072.300
[16:41] <griffonbot> @rafvz: PIE5 breaks 40km whilst sending live images. #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi http://t.co/cFT5bIpbqU [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/323113776222175233]
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> just gone down another 100Hz - 434.068.100 and 434.072.300
[16:43] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Anyone in the US have an ear on KC5NXD?
[16:43] <pb0ner> PIE5 decodes on 432.072.300 just fine in Holland (near Rotterdam)
[16:43] <costyn> futurity: only PIE is hearable
[16:43] <costyn> futurity: AVA radio crashed
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[16:44] <futurity> costyn: Just picked up PIE on 434.069
[16:44] <costyn> futurity: cool
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[16:44] <futurity> normal HAB fldigi software?
[16:44] <daveake> yup
[16:44] <futurity> sounds different to norml
[16:44] <futurity> l
[16:44] <daveake> Just choose payload as normal
[16:44] <daveake> Yes it's 300 baud
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[16:44] <costyn> futurity: it's 300
[16:45] <DJ2SEA_> Robint91: now the distance to PIE is increasing again: 49.8 km
[16:45] <futurity> that explains it
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[16:45] <costyn> pb0ner: I have to ask, you chose your callsign on purpose that way right?
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> aprs is working well
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[16:45] <arko> Morning
[16:45] <futurity> morning
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> whats the aprs setup?
[16:45] <Laurenceb_> power etc?
[16:45] <pa3hdm> i hear the sound but no decoding\
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[16:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> You might need to set the Modem Rx fliter wider as well ....
[16:45] <Robint91> DJ2SEA_, I stopped recieving it, my antenna isn't in the right position to recieve good signals from that part of germany
[16:46] <costyn> pa3hdm: you're using dl-fldigi in hab mode and used auto-configure?
[16:46] <costyn> Maxell: I think we might be on the wrong side of the A12 to continue listening
[16:46] <pa3hdm> how to find autoconfigure
[16:46] <costyn> pa3hdm: it's on the right side in the GUI
[16:47] <RocketBoy> what call sign is UPU using on APRS - just want to look on aPRS.fi
[16:47] <daveake> M0UPU-11
[16:47] <DJ2SEA_> pa3hdm: Here's a guide for the setup http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
[16:47] <costyn> pa3hdm: http://ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:selecting.jpeg?cache= 3rd arrow
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[16:47] <Laurenceb_> what is the APRS setup?
[16:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> costyn, same problem here
[16:47] <Laurenceb_> power, frequency etc?
[16:47] <Maxell> RocketBoy: Ping timeout: 245 seconds
[16:47] <Maxell> RocketBoy: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[16:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> getting weaker
[16:47] <DJ2SEA_> pa3hdm: It's at the end of the side
[16:48] <Maxell> costyn: yeh
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[16:48] <futurity> on the waterfall i'm seeming a number of vertical lines that come and go and look like stepping stones
[16:48] <futurity> 6 lines
[16:49] <pb0ner> I am using the acc port on a IC-910-H direct into the line-in on a MacbookPro (good quality adio). I have no pre-amp and a Diamond X-5000, between radio and antenna is 30m Aircell-7
[16:49] <futurity> no idea which to put the monitoring lines on lol
[16:49] <RocketBoy> cheers
[16:49] <daveake> These are continuous transmissions
[16:49] <goodness> Must leave now. Well done. Good luck.
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[16:50] <pb0ner> @futurity reduce volume, you should have twoo lines, about '1000' apart
[16:50] <pb0ner> and make sure you are on USB
[16:50] <daveake> stop going up, Pi
[16:50] <pa3hdm> nothing ggrr
[16:50] <DL5SFI_Steffen> I think my problem is the attitude of the SDR Stick is here for RTTY reception
[16:50] <DJ2SEA_> daveake: 40.165 km
[16:50] <pb0ner> still receiving & decoding
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[16:51] <pb0ner> Dinstance to my QTH 236.8km
[16:51] <pa3hdm> auto configure is grey\
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[16:51] <DJ2SEA_> daveake: 40.176 km
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[16:51] <DJ2SEA_> daveake: any idea where it will burst?
[16:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> <pa3hdm> Browse all select PIE5 then Auto-config
[16:52] <daveake> never
[16:52] <daveake> :)
[16:52] <daveake> no no idea
[16:52] <DJ2SEA_> daveake: ok, so no worry ... ;-)
[16:52] <PE7ER> ooh the b word!
[16:52] <daveake> Best guess: tomorrow morning when sun comes up.
[16:52] <daveake> Yes, please no "b-word" during s floating flight
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[16:52] <daveake> batteries will last till about midday tomorrow
[16:52] <Lunar_Lander> I switched off dl-fldigi
[16:53] <DJ2SEA_> daveake: ok. why is the morning sun critical? thermal load?
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[16:53] <daveake> sun warms balloon which goes up
[16:53] <pa3hdm> aah green
[16:53] <daveake> Also more UV = weaker balloon
[16:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> POP
[16:53] <daveake> nooo
[16:53] <mlysia> aha
[16:53] <ON5RZ> PIE is now flying right above the Effelsberg 100-m Radio Telescope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effelsberg_100-m_Radio_Telescope
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[16:53] <costyn> hahah
[16:54] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: Have you tried to received the other baloon? uXABEN?
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[16:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> too bad it is not optical ;)
[16:54] <Lunar_Lander> no
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[16:54] <futurity> can someone tell me the carrier shift they find works the best
[16:54] <pa3hdm> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr programs stuck
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[16:54] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: was much stronger here and easier to decode than PIE. You should give it a try.
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[16:55] <ON5RZ> 600 hz
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[16:55] <pa3hdm> it comes automatic online???
[16:55] <costyn> was expecting more Polish listeners by now
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[16:56] <costyn> pa3hdm: if you filled in your callsign
[16:56] <SWISS_> which kind of material we need to build a transmitter?
[16:56] <costyn> in the config
[16:56] <Laurenceb_> image66 is hawt
[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> only some strange carrier signals around that frequnency
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[16:56] <costyn> SWISS_: see http://ukhas.org.uk/general:beginners_guide_to_high_altitude_ballooning
[16:56] <SWISS_> (reciever i whould say)
[16:56] <PE7ER> (nice flare FX picture's)
[16:56] <SWISS_> ok thk
[16:56] <DJ2SEA_> Laurenceb_: yes indeed
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[16:57] <costyn> SWISS_: for recieving http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide
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[16:57] <arko> daveake: how much longer do you expect them to?
[16:57] <pa3hdm> i see green and there in packet id -5
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Now do I go watch Doctor Who or keep tracking.... takes laptop and VNC's bac in ....
[16:57] <daveake> expect what to what?
[16:57] <arko> To run
[16:57] <arko> Habs
[16:58] <daveake> Oh till midday UK time tomorrow
[16:58] <costyn> SWISS_: if you want to go cheap (do not have radio equipment yet) http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[16:58] <daveake> AVA should run for a week or so
[16:58] <arko> Wow
[16:58] <arko> What about the balloon?
[16:58] <daveake> Well most often they burst next morning
[16:58] <pa3hdm> is he sending the data automatic?
[16:58] <arko> Possible to go trans altlantic?
[16:58] <costyn> arko: no
[16:58] <arko> Aww
[16:58] <M0UPU> no arko its going to circle round
[16:58] <M0UPU> but
[16:58] <KT5TK> Congrats to the two Channel crossers!
[16:59] <costyn> arko: well, from where you are maybe
[16:59] <M0UPU> wihtout RTTY we are unlikely to know where it is
[16:59] <daveake> I believe they will loop round over Spain them come back to UK :)
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[16:59] <arko> Haha
[16:59] <arko> Awesome
[16:59] <daveake> Sure would be
[16:59] <arko> That would be epix
[16:59] <costyn> daveake: any idea if they'll keep this heading?
[16:59] <griffonbot> @rafvz: this is amazing - seeing and receiving live images from a balloon +40 km above the earth on 434.072 Mhz http://t.co/RMOA0CZ7Dh #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/323118283396091904]
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[16:59] <daveake> Believe they will turn south then west, but I don't know when
[16:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello WB8ELK
[16:59] <daveake> Upu will know
[17:00] <costyn> interesting
[17:00] <arko> M0UPU and daveake: congrats :)
[17:00] <willdude123> Good evening.
[17:00] <daveake> ping M0UPU Best prediction?
[17:00] <M0UPU> best = don't care as long as we receive it
[17:00] <daveake> :)
[17:00] <M0UPU> down south of france
[17:00] <M0UPU> northern spain
[17:00] <M0UPU> back up
[17:00] <daveake> current speed 146kph
[17:00] <geo> Are we doing a guessing game now, where will it land
[17:01] <WB8ELK> KC5NXD HF balloon has landed....the HF transmitter and APRS stopped at burst as the balloon burst way early at about 66,000 feet. However the APRS just came back on in a tree. It will be awhile before they get it out of the tree so take a listen to 14.104 MHz USB to see if you hear the HF telemetry
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[17:01] <pa3hdm> how can i see that my program send the data
[17:01] <arko> I should be at my lab soon, so if anyone wants me to take over a station im down
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[17:02] <arko> WB8ELK awesome!!
[17:02] <Defhammer> I wonder how far PIE will go
[17:02] <arko> The moon
[17:03] <geo> Anyone who of a site where there is a good wind prediction for europe, or sat radar images?
[17:03] <ON5RZ> http://www.wetterzentrale.de/
[17:03] <G8IAN> Are any of them available on the tracking map?
[17:03] <M0UPU> both in float
[17:03] <M0UPU> wooopie woopie woo
[17:04] <PE2G> pa3hdm: It is sending data, your c/s showed up on the tracker screen
[17:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> aaaaaaaand its gone here
[17:04] <pa3hdm> it works
[17:04] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: 2 monitors for covering #HAB tracking is not enough :-( Still decoding APRS and SSDV from AVA & PIE above DL #UKHAS http://t.co/ZzD0yhIxUM [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/323119470367346688]
[17:04] <pa3hdm> i dont see me on the map?
[17:04] <pb0ner> PA3WEG, Here still going strong
[17:04] <willdude123> M0UPU: Congratulations!
[17:05] <pa3hdm> can i see my self on the map?
[17:05] <G8IAN> I cant see anything on the map!
[17:05] <SWISS_> costyn: I live in geneva, PIE seems to flight in my way. Should i try something? I have maybe a pinnacle pctv pci reciever somewhere in my house...
[17:05] <G8IAN> Except fo the RX stations
[17:05] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> @pb0ner: your antenna is actually above stuff :D
[17:05] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Yes, you shlould. Where are you?
[17:05] <craag_M0DNY> pa3hdm: Have you put an latitude, longitude and altitude in?
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[17:06] <Wolfy-K4GHL> Not hearing it in North Carolina
[17:06] <tim___> ok guys im in my router how do i port forward my predictor to access on the internet?
[17:06] <pa3hdm> location Triemen
[17:06] <griffonbot> @daveake: AVA now floating at 36km over Oberhausen, with PIE5 at 40.3km near Koblenz. #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/323120081473257472]
[17:06] <costyn> SWISS_: sure, you can try it, but you don't have a good antenna so you're unlikley to hear it unless it comes very close
[17:06] <pb0ner> pa3weg, yep I'm amazed how this works out with my set-up
[17:06] <pa3hdm> but i see only dokkum a receiver also mine receiver on global tuners
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[17:07] <pa3hdm> no coordinates
[17:07] <costyn> tim___: private message
[17:07] <griffonbot> @teknoteacher: RT @daveake: AVA now floating at 36km over Oberhausen, with PIE5 at 40.3km near Koblenz. #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/teknoteacher/status/323120285261918208]
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[17:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> still seeing the signals on the waterfall...but no decoding anymore
[17:08] <pb0ner> PIE5 now 278.4 km, bearing 133.3
[17:08] <ON5RZ> for wind prediction http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rjma243.html
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[17:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> maybe the car-rx is still getting it, but I doubt it
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[17:08] <pa3hdm> where i need to bring in my coordinates
[17:09] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Configure > Operator > DL Client > Location > enter your decimal coordinates
[17:09] <Maxell> pb0ner: nice nice
[17:10] <M0UPU> top
[17:10] <G8IAN> Help: Why do I see nothing on the tracker map?
[17:11] <pa3hdm> i see only qth not locatiuon
[17:11] <DJ2SEA_> G8IAN: using Internet Explorer?
[17:11] <G8IAN> Yep
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[17:11] <DJ2SEA_> G8IAN: Can you try Firefox or Chrome?
[17:11] <pb0ner> @PA3WEG, have not seen your car uploading anything ...
[17:11] <pb0ner> for a while now
[17:11] <G8IAN> Not really, is that the only other options?
[17:11] <costyn> pa3hdm: have you looked through http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:tracking_guide ?
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[17:12] <costyn> pa3hdm: there it shows in the configure window how to set your location
[17:12] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Did you select tab: DL Client?
[17:12] <geo> ON5RZ: how do you tell direction from that chart?
[17:12] <DJ2SEA_> G8IAN: Well, there were some guys here in the IRC already having issues with the IE.
[17:12] <SWISS_> costyn: mmh i will try, nice challenge :)
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[17:12] <costyn> pa3hdm: again, make sure you have dl-fldigi... fldigi does not have this functionality
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[17:12] <DJ2SEA_> G8IAN: Seems to be a general issue.
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[17:13] <G8IAN> DJ2SEA Thanks for info - I will persist.
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[17:13] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Here you can find your decimal coords: http://www.mcaviglia.ch/gmap/get_coor_ext.asp
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[17:14] <pb0ner> dl-flgigi seems not to upload all decoded packages
[17:14] <DJ2SEA_> Signal is going down again. It seems that I'm loosing the contact to PIE. :-( Was a great afternoon. Thanks for your efforts!
[17:14] <costyn> pb0ner: if there's a checksum error it doesn't upload
[17:15] <jiffe1> the ssdv balloon still ascending?
[17:15] <navrac_home> upu -you around?
[17:15] <ON5RZ> by following the isobars ..
[17:15] <costyn> navrac_home: he's under M0UPU
[17:15] <pb0ner> No checksum errors. green bar decoding data eveny ~ 50s
[17:15] <navrac_home> m0upu are you about?
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[17:16] <M0UPU> jsut navrac_home
[17:16] <M0UPU> PM
[17:16] <griffonbot> @rafvz: RT @PD3EM: 2 monitors for covering #HAB tracking is not enough :-( Still decoding APRS and SSDV from AVA & PIE above DL #UKHAS http: ... [http://twitter.com/rafvz/status/323122461791109121]
[17:16] <pebkac> G8IAN: tracker website has been very flakey for me - using firefox and Konqueror
[17:16] <pb0ner> Image 72 will be interesting
[17:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> Costyn and Martijn, do you realize how close we all are ;)
[17:17] <pb0ner> 2.99.8km ....
[17:17] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: indeed
[17:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> well, martijn (PB0NER) is in pijnacker
[17:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> and yes, he did choose the call on purpose to anwer your earlier question
[17:18] <pws> de df3lp @ 54.37N 10.14: 434.073, rtty, high shift & baudrate, very weak; nothing around 434.45...
[17:18] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]1: ah ok... :D
[17:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> getting back the signal here BTW
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[17:19] <mivance> if any ops are awake akawaka has sorted his connection issues and would like to be unbanned
[17:19] <pb0ner> I'm not sure, what are the distances to the PIE5.. (it seems to have stopped moving...) here still 299.8km
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[17:20] <DJ2SEA_> Interesting. While PIE was approaching, the signal from the TX on the upper frequency (434.074 MHz) was stronger. Now that it passed the reception of the other TX (434.070 MHz) is stronger. Any explanations?
[17:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> if you are not decoding TLM, the distance does not update
[17:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> and the images are separate from the TLM
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[17:21] <GMT> which signal has the TLM?
[17:21] <pb0ner> 312.6km
[17:21] <fsphil> telemetry? both
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[17:21] <DL5SFI_Steffen> ist das rtty sendesignal eigentlich permanent ?
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> DJ2SEA_, I think it is too slow to think about Doppler, right?
[17:22] <DJ2SEA_> DL5SFI_Steffen: Are you still online? PIE is moving in your general direction.
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[17:22] <GMT> okay ... I see plenty of 'stuff' which is the pictures, but no lat/long/alt/etc strings
[17:22] <fsphil> you decoding Lunar_Lander?
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> DL5SFI_Steffen, wie meinst du das genau?
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> den carrier?
[17:22] <DJ2SEA_> Lunar_Lander: Doppler should affect both frequencies in the same way.
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[17:22] <DL5SFI_Steffen> ja sendet er dauernd ?
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, no I switched dl-fldigi off
[17:22] <costyn> GMT: the telemtry goes by pretty fast but it's there
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> DL5SFI_Steffen, normalerweise hast du nach jeder zeile eine kurze pause
[17:22] <pa3hdm> coordinates inserted now
[17:22] <fsphil> why?
[17:23] <pa3hdm> but nothing on the map
[17:23] <Laurenceb_> PB0NER <- lol callsign
[17:23] <WB8ELK> KC5NXD HF signal is back on again on 14.104 MHz USB...it is in a tree in Mississippi and it will take awhile to get it out of the tree so you might be able to hear it for the next hour or so.
[17:23] <pa3hdm> weet iemand hoe dat kan
[17:23] <Maxell> APRS is working great! http://aprs.fi/#!mt=terrain&z=7&call=a%2FM0UPU-11&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[17:23] <pb0ner> @costyn I missed the question about my call sign. Indeed it was done on purpose. I get a lot of positive reactions....:-)
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, cause there is absolutely no signla
[17:23] <Lunar_Lander> signal
[17:23] <costyn> pa3hdm: it usually takes a few minutes
[17:23] <pa3hdm> ik kom niet in die kaart
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[17:23] <costyn> pb0ner: made me laugh in any case :)
[17:24] <pa3hdm> ok
[17:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:24] <pa3hdm> dokkum is it not
[17:24] <PE7ER> try locator?
[17:24] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: ah. bad antenna?
[17:24] <costyn> pa3hdm: but you are close to dokkum?
[17:24] <Lunar_Lander> yeah a normal whip
[17:24] <pa3hdm> 10 km way
[17:24] <Maxell> pb0ner: do you get a lot of people that do not believe it's a real callsign?
[17:24] <pb0ner> @LAurenceb_ @costyn /Good! that was the reason... more laughs... on this world
[17:25] <jiffe1> what kind of battery is the PIE setup running off of?
[17:25] <cuddykid> jiffe1: 4AAs
[17:25] <pb0ner> @Maxell eh no, USA are amazed it is allowed...
[17:25] <pa3hdm> trhat receiver is also mine is active on globaltuners
[17:25] <costyn> jiffe1: likely energizer lithiums
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[17:26] <Laurenceb_> image 72 looking epic
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> interesting lens artifacts
[17:26] <PE7ER> a 'sunflower'
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[17:26] <costyn> Laurenceb_: that little loop on the right?
[17:26] <df3lp> no signal anymore in Kiel; bye bye...
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> thats probably muck
[17:26] <pb0ner> I Expected image 72 to be nice...
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> i meant the sun reflections
[17:26] <Laurenceb_> 12 of them
[17:27] <pb0ner> it seems to rotate a bit
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[17:27] <pa3hdm> zal eens een ballon met atoomenergy maken
[17:27] <pb0ner> look at 6=74 coming...
[17:27] Action: Wouter-[pa3weg] QRV from car
[17:27] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> RX was lost in AFC
[17:28] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Did you follow these instructions?
[17:28] <pb0ner> @PA3WEG... indeed you are showing up again
[17:28] <PE2G> Configure > Operator > DL Client > Location > enter your decimal coordinates
[17:28] <costyn> pa3hdm: does it say 'uploaded listener telemetry' at the bottom?
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[17:28] <Laurenceb_> niceeee
[17:28] <Laurenceb_> looks like troposphere and stratosphere there
[17:29] <pa3hdm> coordinaten staan ver in pe2g
[17:29] <pb0ner> 332.3km
[17:29] <DutchTaurus> Oh dear...PIE5 is at it agan....+2.0m/s
[17:29] <griffonbot> @gidauria: RT @daveake: AVA now floating at 36km over Oberhausen, with PIE5 at 40.3km near Koblenz. #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/gidauria/status/323125792815071232]
[17:29] <pb0ner> elevation ... 5.5
[17:29] <pa3hdm> zie ook geen afstand
[17:29] <pb0ner> and sinking...
[17:30] <daveake> This is OK floats do this
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> btw I like the language mix
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[17:30] <daveake> AVA did it at launch ....
[17:30] <griffonbot> @gidauria: RT @daveake: Video of Pi In The Sky 5 (and AVA) launch #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi https://t.co/PDm5BIFmNk [http://twitter.com/gidauria/status/323126083081887744]
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> DF3EY, DL5SFI_Steffen wo seid ihr eigentlich her? stuttgart wurde vorhin gesagt?
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[17:31] <griffonbot> @PD3EM: losing the signal on PIE but AVA is still decoding on 2m APRS! #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/PD3EM/status/323126211570176000]
[17:31] <griffonbot> @gidauria: PIE5 breaks 40km whilst sending live images. #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi http://t.co/2Fj2bHJ4uH [http://twitter.com/gidauria/status/323126235960070144]
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[17:31] <costyn> pa3hdm: ok i'm not sure whats going on... just make sure you do everything on the guide on the wiki.
[17:31] <navrac_home> thats a pretty strong signal daveake
[17:31] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Did you click Save at the bottom of the Location tab?
[17:32] <daveake> navrac_home Yes I noticed you were still receicing - impressive!
[17:32] <daveake> Just NTX2s and 1/4 wave
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[17:33] <navrac_home> still very strong - and my aerials only half up because of the wind
[17:33] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ok, giving up on the car-rx here, it is raining now as well..
[17:33] <Laurenceb_> anyone else see image 75 three times?
[17:33] <navrac_home> 514Km andcounting apparently
[17:34] <daveake> pretty good esp for 300
[17:34] <costyn> Laurenceb_: yep... server bug according to fsphil
[17:34] <daveake> Yeah apparently a race condition server-side
[17:34] <pb0ner> My station is not showing on the tracker either
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[17:36] <Maxell> pb0ner: do you have a GPS location in there?
[17:36] <pb0ner> Yes I dit fill it in, and just checkd
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[17:38] <DL5SFI_Steffen> the frequenz for PIE is 434.074 ?
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[17:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> daveake: what is the balloon size ?
[17:38] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> 434.075 and 434.068
[17:38] <Laurenceb_> def 2 layers in atmosphere
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[17:38] <fsphil> yes that's a lovely layer
[17:38] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> but adjust according to your audio filters
[17:39] <costyn> pb0ner: it is showing on the ssdv livestream
[17:39] <costyn> pb0ner: there's seomthing funny going on because of the 2 payloads or something else
[17:39] <Laurenceb_> image75 looking good
[17:39] <pa3hdm> nog niks te zien in de map
[17:40] <costyn> pa3hdm: you're there!
[17:40] <costyn> pa3hdm: I see you now
[17:40] <pa3hdm> ah
[17:40] <pa3hdm> aah yeswssss
[17:40] <pa3hdm> thanks
[17:40] <costyn> pa3hdm: and you're uploading decoded strings too!
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[17:40] <costyn> pa3hdm: I just saw you listed as a receiver
[17:40] <Graham_G3VZV> saqdly the remote receiver station at Strasbourg appears to be switched off today:(
[17:40] <pa3hdm> y7es i see it
[17:41] <costyn> pa3hdm: as well on the ssdv stream
[17:41] <costyn> pa3hdm: welcome! :)
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[17:41] <pa3hdm> 424.2km distance
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[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[17:42] <pa3hdm> thanks
[17:42] <Lunar_Lander> for some reason my dl-fldigi has no option to enter my GPS coordinates
[17:42] <pa3hdm> the dokkum receiver is also mine
[17:42] <Defhammer> it looks like PIE is heading to the mediterian
[17:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> mhhh, too bad Graham
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[17:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]1> also no ShackCam?
[17:43] <PE2G> pa3hdm: Congratulation.What is your antenna height?
[17:44] <pb0ner> anyone know how to enter position data in fldigi...? I have no 52.0036 is that format correct?
[17:44] <ON5RZ> it's heading for the Adriatic
[17:44] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: dl client -> configure -> location
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[17:44] <pa3hdm> pb0ner heb je een tom tom??
[17:45] <pb0ner> @pa3hdm ik weet mijn coordinaten wel, maar niet HOE ik ze moet invullen
[17:45] <pb0ner> en nee ik heb geen tomtom
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[17:45] <pa3hdm> ohok
[17:45] <JFS1> This is probably a redundant question, but has anyone put out a message for receivers in the Switzerland/Austria area?
[17:45] <Lunar_Lander>