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[03:51] <tim_> hello again
[03:51] <tim_> would an arduino uno micro controller be any good for a HAB
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[04:16] <KF7FER> hey tim... you mean an actual uno?
[04:20] <KF7FER> stupid question I know... but sure, check out http://www.trackuino.org/. One of their reference designs is a shield for any Arduino
[04:21] <KF7FER> personally I'd rather not have the weight and would use a custom PCB but it's certainly usable
[04:24] <tim_> ive found an arduino board i have used, and it is an uno
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[04:36] <tim_> KF7FER: ??
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[04:53] <X-Scale> http://youtu.be/rpBnurznFio
[04:55] <X-Scale> http://rcexplorer.se/projects/2013/03/fpv-to-space-and-back/
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[05:29] <Upu> morning
[05:29] <Darkside> morning Upu
[05:29] <Darkside> still no antennas :(
[05:29] <Upu> going to be a while I suspect
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[05:48] <Upu> hey arko
[05:48] <Upu> talk to me about labels when you're back
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[06:25] <fsphil> KF7FER: you can't use trackuino in the UK
[06:25] <fsphil> not in the air anyway
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[06:30] <Maxell> It is APRS?
[06:30] <fsphil> yea
[06:31] <Maxell> 'MURICA just launches it and doesn't care? :-)
[06:32] <nigelvh> 'MURICA is allowed to do ham in the air
[06:32] <Maxell> Oh nice.
[06:33] <fsphil> yep
[06:33] <nigelvh> It is indeed.
[06:33] <Maxell> And portugal/brasil?
[06:33] <Maxell> FCC is a pain in the but with the LPD/ISM 434-ish band
[06:33] <Maxell> s/but/butt/ ;)
[06:33] <nigelvh> Why are they a pain about it?
[06:34] <Maxell> Limited duty cycle of 2%
[06:34] <Maxell> pretty strict rules iirc
[06:34] <nigelvh> Oh, I think that's pretty reasonable. Considering it's unlicenced and has to be shared by EVERYONE.
[06:35] <nigelvh> Doesn't matter though, stick a ham callsign on it and you can blast 100% all you want.
[06:35] <Maxell> http://www.afar.net/tutorials/fcc-rules
[06:35] <Maxell> lol netherlands does 100% duty cycle I think
[06:35] <nigelvh> Netherlands is also MUCH smaller
[06:35] <Maxell> I've seen things o_o
[06:36] <Maxell> and agentschap telecom (dutch FCC) is a joke :P
[06:36] <nigelvh> And may have different power limits.
[06:37] <Maxell> wat, FCC allows up to 1 watt being fed into the antenna for ISM user
[06:37] <Maxell> WAT
[06:37] <Maxell> :P
[06:37] <nigelvh> Yes, so 2% duty cycle keeps things from being bad.
[06:37] <nigelvh> Because it has to be shared.
[06:37] <Maxell> :)
[06:37] <nigelvh> If it were smaller power, then I can see larger duty cycles.
[06:37] <Maxell> .nl has <10 mW
[06:38] <nigelvh> But, again, ham license trumps the ISM band.
[06:38] <nigelvh> 1500W 100% duty cycle? Sure. As long as you've got the license and want to burn the power.
[06:38] <Maxell> Yeah, I should call agentschap telecom if I am allowed to pump full blast rtty if i get a ham licence
[06:40] <x-f> wouldn't it be limited by LOS anyway?
[06:41] <Maxell> 100 mW is full foce :P
[06:41] <nigelvh> In theory. But if you can manage to haul batteries and an amp, in the US you could do 1500W from a balloon with a ham license.
[06:41] <nigelvh> Not that I'd condone that... ;)
[06:44] <Maxell> 434 is also in dutch ham 70 cm band
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[07:53] <eroomde> morning alles
[07:55] <Maxell> hai
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[07:56] <eroomde> hai Maxell
[07:56] <eroomde> all well?
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[07:58] <Maxell> Yeah, I'm fine. Going to be great tomorrow!
[07:58] <eroomde> you're launching/graduating/marrying?
[07:58] <eroomde> /haveing a weekend?
[07:59] <Maxell> You did not saw the list of all the ballons launching?
[07:59] <Maxell> *LAUNCH-O-GEDDON WEEKEND* :D
[08:00] <eroomde> so it is
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[08:00] <eroomde> the skies above britain will be full of balls
[08:00] <Maxell> huge, latex balls
[08:00] <daveake> The plan is to get as many balloons as possible to fly past LL without him noticing
[08:00] <Maxell> Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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[08:01] <Maxell> daveake: I think the key part of the two trackers at the time is the SDR app to support running twice on the same radio.
[08:01] <Maxell> gqrx locks the device, iirc.
[08:01] <Maxell> same for SDR#
[08:01] <Maxell> rtl_tcp only allows one user :(
[08:01] <daveake> Ah shame
[08:02] <fsphil> I've not tried gqrx multiple times yet
[08:02] <Maxell> Yeah, it would be easy-peasy otherwise.
[08:02] <daveake> Darkside recommended "SDR Radio" which apparently allows for 2 LOs in the one instance of the program. Not tried it myself.
[08:02] <Maxell> Yeah, but I find it to be a steep learning curver
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[08:05] <Maxell> I'm going to try two SDR# now.
[08:06] <Darkside> sdr-radio v2
[08:06] <Darkside> well worth using
[08:07] <Maxell> Nope. SDR# tells me it's not connected or the driver is borken.
[08:07] <eroomde> CS is at its most satisfying when putting some memory allocation outside a loop instead of inside makes your program 100x faster
[08:07] <mfa298> +1 for sdr-radio v2 (up to 6 vfo's) in the one app and easy tosend to different sound cards
[08:09] <mfa298> I was using sdr-radio with VAC last weekend and it worked well
[08:09] <fsphil> eroomde: anything that makes the program 100x faster would have that effect :)
[08:10] <craag> Hmm, do I use the funcube for better performance on the ssdv, or the rtlsdr to listen to all the flights..
[08:10] <fsphil> 3) more antennas and both :)
[08:10] <craag> Darn you're right.
[08:12] <craag> I might see how much it screws up if I just use a t-piece after the habamp though..
[08:12] <mfa298> craag: I did that last week with the fcd and 817 and didn't notice much difference
[08:13] <mfa298> with the rtlsdr it might be better if it's really a 75R impedance (like most tv)
[08:13] <Darkside> its not
[08:13] <Darkside> the rtlsdr's input is actually 50 ohms
[08:16] <mfa298> Useful to know (I've never trusted that cheap electronics like that would follow a standard spec)
[08:16] <fsphil> well it isn't, it's suppose to be 75 ohm :)
[08:17] <mfa298> true, although I was expecting a random number between 30 and 50K
[08:20] <eroomde> :)
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[09:19] <HixWork> any tree based joy cuddykid?
[09:19] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: HABHUB v2.1 is out. New toggle to disable automatic sleeping & distance to payload bug fix #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/322640041811783680]
[09:19] <cuddykid> HixWork: yeah, managed to get a local tree surgeon to climb up and get it before the rain arrived :)
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[09:20] <HixWork> cool, phew. Lives to CFIG another day :)
[09:20] <cuddykid> it's back flying now! Damage wasn't as bad as I thought it would be - only 1 broken arm (all motors in tact)
[09:22] <griffonbot> @DutchMillbt: RT @pd3em: This Saturday: RT @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/8ibMirIZcj #ukhas [http://twitter.com/DutchMillbt/status/322640803312857088]
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[09:43] <griffonbot> @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/aprsfi/status/322646126010462208]
[09:48] <griffonbot> @iw9fra: RT @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/iw9fra/status/322647485707337729]
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[09:50] <fsphil> here we go
[09:50] <UpuWork> uh oh
[09:51] <Darkside> lol
[09:56] <Maxell> spread it like a wildfire!
[09:57] <oh7lzb> 8]
[09:57] <oh7lzb> What's the APRS callsign+SSID for that thing?
[09:58] <craag> M0UPU-11 I believe
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[10:08] <chrisg7ogx> hope its like this tomorrow
[10:10] <Maxell> UpuWork: about the geofence colours, what do the different colours mean? I can only find out what red means at http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=471
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[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> <Maxell> I seem to recall Yellow wasn't known and Green was OK for APRS, Red of course not allowed.
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[10:29] <Maxell> I.e when in France the call sign of the balloon should be F/M0UPU.
[10:29] <Maxell> But it's not known if it's allowed in France?
[10:31] <fsphil> it won't be doing aprs over france
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[10:44] <griffonbot> @jyrmakin: RT @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/jyrmakin/status/322661465238683648]
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[10:47] <fsphil> European Tour or Splash
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[10:51] <tim_> heyy guys
[10:52] <tim_> the cent os offered on the wiki , what is the username and password?
[10:52] <fsphil> where's that at?
[10:52] <tim_> the hourly predictor
[10:53] <tim_> on the vmware player with centos server
[10:53] <tim_> fsphil: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:hourlypredictor
[10:54] <fsphil> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/12/pi_camera_launch/
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[10:55] <fsphil> good question tim_
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[10:55] <tim_> why is it not in the setup
[10:55] <Darkside> haha i love the pic
[10:55] <HixWork> hello tim_
[10:56] <tim_> so i could do it with a raspberry pi :D
[10:56] <tim_> HixWork: hello
[10:56] <fsphil> you could, but it's not easy
[10:56] <HixWork> The wiki is WIP the reason the login info is not there is that the image is from another user and I believe the details are his actual logins
[10:56] <tim_> fsphil: but ive found an arduino uno board laying around im yet to use :D
[10:56] <fsphil> perfect!
[10:56] <HixWork> Once there is a generic login, i shall update the wiki
[10:57] <tim_> when will that be?
[10:57] <griffonbot> @daveake: This weekend's European float attempts written up at The Rgister http://t.co/IycGYdpmMF #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/322664827698962432]
[10:59] <tim_> by the way does CAA also get in touch and put out an alert to any millitary ATC in the area?
[11:00] <tim_> i live near a small RAF airfeild
[11:00] <daveake> The CAA issue a NOTAM; the RAF will get that
[11:00] <daveake> You may need to call ATC just before launch
[11:01] <tim_> thats good then the last thing i want on a first launch is a downed RAF glider on my hands
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[11:03] <M0TVU> 'noon
[11:04] <HixWork> tim_ not sure, unfortunately
[11:04] <HixWork> ping chrisstubbs
[11:04] <HixWork> you near Little Rissington tim_?
[11:05] <tim_> i live near liverpool
[11:05] <HixWork> ah oki
[11:06] <tim_> and i do get airtraffic overhead heading to the west from manchester
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[11:07] <tim_> another thing about centos why is it still running linux kernel 2.6? hasnt anyone updated or it is for a specific purpose?
[11:07] <Darkside> likely hasnt been updates
[11:07] <tim_> just saying 3.5 has been out for a while :D
[11:07] <Darkside> because it serves a specific purpose and works
[11:07] <craag> tim_: Centos is a very stable OS.
[11:08] <craag> It runs heavily tested kernels.
[11:08] <tim_> craag: i know im a linux fanboy
[11:09] <craag> It's based on redhat, of which the latest version, 6.4 runs 2.6.32
[11:09] <HixWork> tim_, I reckon you're going to have a hard time getting a NOTAM around your way it's very busy airspace http://i.imgur.com/c6oWP9G.png
[11:09] <HixWork> most transatlantic stuff routes anlong the channel that runs north west in the image
[11:10] <tim_> are green heavy airspace?
[11:10] <tim_> is*
[11:10] <HixWork> green is surface to flight level indicated
[11:10] <HixWork> i.e SFC-3500 ft
[11:11] <HixWork> blue areas i.e 4500-FL195 is 4500' to 19,500'
[11:11] <tim_> sorry i dont live directly in liverpool near to me is around 20 miles away
[11:12] <tim_> southport to be more exact
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[11:12] <HixWork> i think htat area is going to be difficult even within 20 miles. Upu may be better situated to advise, i believe he has launched near Sheffield
[11:12] <HixWork> a trip to wales could work
[11:13] <tim_> theres no hard in asking CAA right?
[11:13] <tim_> harm*
[11:13] <tim_> wow grammar is bad today :D
[11:13] <HixWork> nope, worth a shot
[11:14] <HixWork> my typing is always terrible worry not :)
[11:14] <tim_> even if i do itll be a tight launch
[11:15] <HixWork> ausops@caa.co.uk
[11:15] <HixWork> is the contact there
[11:16] <tim_> contact saved :)
[11:16] <tim_> how long have you guys been doing this?
[11:17] <HixWork> I've been here ~1year still not launched. Others for a good few years, think since
[11:17] <HixWork> ~2008
[11:17] <eroomde> 2006
[11:17] <HixWork> there you go :)
[11:17] <HixWork> guru spoken
[11:18] <tim_> is the website a work in progress?
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[11:18] <HixWork> UKHAS?
[11:18] <tim_> yeah
[11:18] <HixWork> the wiki is constantly changing and being added to
[11:18] <eroomde> the wiki is a special thing that can take a bit of getting used to
[11:19] <eroomde> there is lots added to it by lots of people, without any particuarly set of agreed namespacing standards or anything
[11:19] <HixWork> community populated and maintained
[11:19] <eroomde> so it can take a bit of poking around to find stuff
[11:19] <eroomde> but there is a lot there
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[11:20] <HixWork> the search function normally gets you exactly what you want
[11:20] <craag> Subsequently some articles are a bit rough around the edges (like your issue with the centos password). But there is an enormous amount of useful information on there.
[11:20] <tim_> i found it tricky to get to information
[11:20] <HixWork> or you can just use google with "inurl:ukhas.org.uk searchterm"
[11:21] <tim_> would you guys be interested in a navigation menu for the site
[11:22] <eroomde> if someone wants to go through an categorise everything more sensibly, that would probably be very well received
[11:23] <tim_> im an it student studying currently level 4 hnc and i do some building of webpages if you guys ever want any help
[11:23] <eroomde> i think it's more a librarian job than a code job
[11:23] <eroomde> but all help is appreciated
[11:23] <craag> tim_: You can create an account on it, it's a wiki, so anyone can edit once approved.
[11:24] <craag> I think we'd like to keep it as a wiki without any backend code changes though, for maintainability.
[11:24] <tim_> was thinking you could put a navigation border in css in an ordered list in the left side of the page and link the hyper-text to the other pages
[11:24] <cuddykid> argh, balloonhelium.co.uk are being anal about this 1/2 empty cylinder they gave me (well, BOC did) - won't refund because it says in their t&cs apparently "do not accept cylinder with blue seal missing" despite the guy who got the cylinder testing out numerous filling kits on it before he gave it me
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[11:25] <tim_> cuddykid: ouch
[11:26] <cuddykid> I've told them that clearly somewhere the numbers aren't going to add up - hired the cylinder out twice and only filled it up once
[11:27] <HixWork> tim, the sitemap sort of does what you are on about http://ukhas.org.uk/start?do=index
[11:27] <HixWork> the actual design is a generic
[11:27] <HixWork> from dokuwiki https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki
[11:28] <griffonbot> @VK2MB: RT @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/ZkRSwzdmWQ #ukhas [http://twitter.com/VK2MB/status/322672472707194881]
[11:28] <tim_> HixWork: its not very obvious though
[11:28] <Darkside> goddamnit
[11:28] <Darkside> now we have VK's tweeting it
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[11:28] <Darkside> i need to bug terry to do more launches
[11:28] <Darkside> juxta: oy
[11:28] <HixWork> its an acquired thing tim_ after a while you'll learn to love it ;)
[11:28] <Darkside> more launches, stat
[11:29] <HixWork> where is VK Darkside ?
[11:29] <Darkside> Australia
[11:29] <HixWork> ahh
[11:29] <Darkside> Aussie land
[11:29] <Darkside> the land down under
[11:29] <Darkside> home of the young and free
[11:29] <HixWork> strewth
[11:29] <Darkside> blimey!
[11:29] <HixWork> that colony?
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[11:31] <HixWork> that looks like ti could improve nav on the wiki https://www.dokuwiki.org/template:navigation#lightbox/0/
[11:33] <craag> That does look good. Although I'd worry about how big/crowded the sidebar could become.
[11:34] <Brace> craag: it's just dokuwiki right? easiest way is just to get a different template
[11:34] <Brace> but the idea fo dokuwiki is that you just use the sitemap
[11:35] <tim_> thats a good template
[11:36] <tim_> craag: well if the border of the navbox is set to auto it should auto-ajust to your display settings
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[11:37] <tim_> craag: or do you mean the content?
[11:38] <cuddykid> daveake / UpuWork is this the correct warning notice for carrying H2? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAGNETIC-SIGN-FLAMMABLE-GAS-WARNING-SIGN-100MM-X-100MM-/110538287301?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item19bc9868c5
[11:39] <daveake> yep
[11:39] <cuddykid> good stuff
[11:40] <HixWork> just added airspace charts to the wiki on http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality?&#airspace_charts
[11:40] <HixWork> should help with NOTAM planning
[11:40] <daveake> and https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAQ60IjA7p0SLidZ3vAnpnDeBZql6GbzhMuv2ZJp-oW2kWjy77aw
[11:40] <cuddykid> ha
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[11:40] <cuddykid> getting a fire extinguisher too just in case :P
[11:41] <fsphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8BCFLO9AM
[11:41] <fsphil> important safety video
[11:41] <cuddykid> may aswell go all out and get one of those hazmat suits lol
[11:41] <cuddykid> that would really make people stand back
[11:41] <daveake> Yes I got a powder one
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[11:42] <daveake> Get from screwfix much cheaper than Halfords etc
[11:42] <fsphil> everywhere is cheaper than halfords
[11:42] <daveake> true
[11:42] <oh7lzb> you're getting some social media love
[11:42] <x-f> fsphil, nice video :)
[11:43] <HixWork> nearly fsphil http://www.london.mclaren.com/
[11:43] <fsphil> hah
[11:43] <fsphil> I retract my previous statement about Halfords
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[11:46] <cuddykid> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1KG-DRY-POWDER-ABC-FIRE-EXTINGUISHER-CAR-TAXI-HOME-WORK-/260740432179?pt=UK_Fire_Extinguishers&hash=item3cb5574133 not too expensive
[11:46] <HixWork> cuddykid, just rpint one out and stick inside window http://pixabay.com/en/safety-gas-warning-hazard-43935/
[11:46] <cuddykid> yeah, good idea
[11:46] <HixWork> bottom left there's a download button and you can get a vector imjage
[11:46] <cuddykid> save a few quid :)
[11:46] <HixWork> just get inkscape free and you can scale it to what size you want
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[11:47] <HixWork> https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Finkscape.org%2F&ei=O_RnUb_pNLSV0QWtv4DYBA&usg=AFQjCNGCchLbgftx2yrfVoTKJ2b9dGh6pg&sig2=WchHGQDP49a-pY8t1uXRQw&bvm=bv.45175338,d.d2k
[11:47] <HixWork> damn you google
[11:47] <HixWork> http://inkscape.org/
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[11:54] <griffonbot> @sycophantic: RT @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/sycophantic/status/322679027129262081]
[11:54] <HixWork> cuddykid, A4 pdf for ya
[11:54] <HixWork> http://stratosvision.com/img/FlammableGas.pdf
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[11:55] <cuddykid> cheers HixWork
[11:55] <HixWork> nps
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[11:59] <G0DJA> Shouldn't you use the international standard ones? http://www.onsafelines.com/new-international-coshh-symbols.html#.UWf2zEo9-So
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[12:03] <tim_> this may seem crazy for an idea but what launching a HAB with a server and have a multiplayer game of tic tac toe?
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[12:05] <lz1dev> make it chess
[12:05] <lz1dev> make the payloads two
[12:05] <lz1dev> the one that loses, cuts down without a parachute
[12:05] <Brace> HAB pong
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[12:10] <tim_> HAB snake :D
[12:12] <fsphil> only if it's written in Python
[12:13] <tim_> someones got to do it itll make for one hell of a youtube video :D
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[12:20] <mfa298> tim_: only read some of the scroll back but for the hourly predictor if you want to do your own there are some notes on what to do for CentOS at: http://hab.yapd.net/setup.html
[12:21] <mfa298> there are some more packages I should add into that (means there's less installed by pip)
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[12:21] <mfa298> at some point I plan to make some RPMs as well for the bits from source but that's work in progress
[12:24] <tim_> how come its been chosen has centos and not debian or ubuntu?
[12:24] <tim_> as*
[12:24] <mfa298> you can do it on CentOS
[12:24] <tim_> fair enough
[12:24] <mfa298> sorry, Ubuntu
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[12:24] <mfa298> I documented on CentOS as that's what I know and what I was able to get working.
[12:25] <tim_> ive allways prefered debian based OS's
[12:25] <fsphil> yea it'll work fine on either
[12:25] <mfa298> I did try Ubuntu at first but when I was hanging everytime I tried to shutdown/restart the VM it was on I gave up.
[12:25] <fsphil> I'm on centos too
[12:25] <fsphil> still annoying. pleaseeee change soon: http://hourly.sanslogic.co.uk/
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[12:25] Action: mfa298 never gets on too well with Ubuntu, it doesn't seem to like IPv6 that much
[12:26] <fsphil> I quite like raspbian on the pi
[12:26] <fsphil> but generally not a debian fan
[12:26] <tim_> fsphil: that is a wild flight isnt it :D
[12:27] <mfa298> I've tried ubuntu a couple of times and both times (with different versions) I've had issues with it and IPv6 :(
[12:27] <fsphil> yea. I'm sure the scottish highlands are a lovely area, but I suspect they're payload eaters
[12:27] <mfa298> the only times I've had issues with IPv6 on Redhat/Fedora is when the linux kernel support was very new
[12:27] <fsphil> there's still an upper stage of a rocket lost somewhere in the highlands
[12:28] <tim_> im using ubuntu desktop as my main OS from personal experience ive never really had a problem which is why i prefer debain
[12:28] <fsphil> why not debian?
[12:29] <fsphil> I like Mint too, but not enough to switch from fedora
[12:29] <craag> tim_: Yeah, I meant crowding of content in the navbar, there's a very wide variety of stuff on the wiki.
[12:29] <tim_> i guess i like how ubuntu is built and ive used it since i started so i never really had the thought to change
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[12:29] <tim_> craag: yeah that would be problematic
[12:30] <fsphil> yea it's personal preference. the distros are all pretty similar these days
[12:30] <tim_> fsphil: yeah unless your a bsd guy :D
[12:31] <fsphil> there are still bsd guys?
[12:31] <fsphil> :)
[12:31] <mfa298> Ubuntu didn't exist when I started on linux (back in those lovely kernel 2.2 days)
[12:31] Action: mfa298 is also a Solaris guy - One of the best filesystems and been good for IPv6 since before linux)
[12:32] <mfa298> although driver support for Solaris isn't so fun - I wouldn't run it on a desktop (unless it's a sparc desktop)
[12:32] <fsphil> the first server for my website was solaris
[12:32] <fsphil> years ago now
[12:32] <tim_> i remeber playing with solaris os what a headache
[12:33] <fsphil> I didn't have to admin it, so I quite liked it :)
[12:33] <mfa298> for what it does Solaris is very good, but trying to do other stuff can be tricky
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[12:34] <mfa298> I've got two Solaris VM's one as a Fileserver and one routing IPv6 and acting as a NIS server.
[12:34] <Brace> mmmmm ZFS
[12:35] <mfa298> I'm not sure anything beats ZFS at the moment - and it's so easy to use.
[12:36] <tim_> so when is the estimated finish of the hourly predictor for cent?
[12:36] <mfa298> in what way ?
[12:36] <tim_> the final release or when there is a generic login
[12:36] <Brace> mfa298: I've not yet worked up the guts to use it in production yet
[12:37] <Brace> messed with it a bit tho and it seems nice
[12:37] <Brace> Smart OS also looks dead nifty
[12:39] <mfa298> tim_: I'm not sure what's happening with that image - someone else did that (based on the notes I wrote)
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[12:39] <mfa298> I'm planning on packaging up the various bits (and setting up a repositry) so it's easier to keep them all up to date
[12:40] <tim_> good idea
[12:40] <mfa298> I might then look at creating a small vm image using OVF as I think that's a bit more cross platform.
[12:40] <craag> The predictor is due to be rewritten soon(tm). So I think some people are waiting for that.
[12:40] <mfa298> I think there's also a lot of other stuff that's not needed in the existing image
[12:40] <oh7lzb> I love ZFS.
[12:41] <mfa298> there's also the possible re-write of the predictors although I'm not sure when that's happening (or if it will)
[12:42] <tim_> i think the generic ISO file format would be best cross platform since if you do it only in vm then people are forced onto that piece of software while iso as far as im aware works on all vm's
[12:42] <tim_> vmware*
[12:43] <oh7lzb> Does anyone need a Solaris desktop? I could sell mine, preloaded with Solaris 10. Cheap. Dual CPUs and all!
[12:43] <mfa298> that's why I was thinking ovf as that's supposed to be an open standard (although I'm not sure how many vendors support it_
[12:43] <tim_> oh sorry i maybe mistaken
[12:43] <tim_> i thought you meant souly vmware image
[12:43] <mfa298> I've not actually checked who supports OVF so it might be vmware only.
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[12:44] <mfa298> although it's still better than the current 7z file - It doesn't run on my vmware server (ESXi)
[12:44] <tim_> i pretty sure Virtual box supports OVF
[12:44] <mfa298> I had a feeling if someone did virtual box might.
[12:44] <mfa298> but that's why I'd also like to do a set of packages and repo as then you just need to add the repo and use standard tools.
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[12:45] <mfa298> image then is only for the people that don't like linux at all
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[12:47] <tim_> what about making a boot usb image
[12:48] <oh7lzb> There, real Sun system with ZFS and Elite 3D graphics, buy buy buy: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37346897/u10-front.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37346897/u10-back.jpg
[12:48] <mfa298> I'll probably leave that for someone else. Having it packaged is my first aim as that is useful for any other image (means they can all get updated)
[12:50] <fsphil> I must get my amiga online some day
[12:50] <mfa298> Not sure I'd want an Ultra 10, although I've got a SGI Indigo 2 I should probably do something with
[12:50] <tim_> what about making in the future a UKHAS desktop distro with all the software you need? though i think im jumping the gun here yet again :D
[12:50] <mfa298> that can't be a proper Sun, it doesn't have a 13W3 connector :p
[12:51] <fsphil> tim_: better to make an android app at this point I suspect
[12:51] <fsphil> which happly enough there is
[12:51] <mfa298> tim_: there's nothing to stop you if you want to
[12:52] <mfa298> all we need now is a windows mobile app :p
[12:52] <tim_> ill give it a thought if i get fully into the project
[12:52] <oh7lzb> Also, no SBUS
[12:52] <fsphil> mfa298: lol
[12:52] <fsphil> and a windows mobile user
[12:52] <tim_> mfa298: dont bothered they are hardly selling and not worth the license fees if you charge for the software
[12:53] <tim_> i used to have a windows phone untill it started breaking
[12:53] <mfa298> fsphil: true we need one of them first (MS probably want one as well!)
[12:54] <Laurenceb> so i looked up the current spacenear listeners
[12:54] <Laurenceb> http://ni9y.tripod.com/ni9y.html
[12:54] <fsphil> our sales guys used to use windows phones. they where pretty awful, but where quite reliable
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[12:54] <fsphil> it's all android and iphone now
[12:54] <Brace> does anyone actually know someone who has a windows mobile phone?
[12:54] <Brace> I don't
[12:55] <fsphil> nope
[12:55] <oh7lzb> Some colleagues have them. But maybe that's a geographical thing here in Helsinki.
[12:56] <mfa298> I know people that had old ones (when they were the only smartphones)
[12:56] <tim_> my main problems with the winphone was that it refused to tell me how much batteray power was left, refused to end calls that wasted my money and tripled any music i uploaded to it
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[12:57] <oh7lzb> And I (rarely) go to meetings with the chairman of Nokia's board of directors, he hangs around the office sometimes.
[12:57] <fsphil> it's a real shame what's happened to nokia
[12:58] <tim_> something happened to nokia?
[12:58] <Brace> tim_: they got crap
[12:58] <fsphil> very
[12:58] <fsphil> I always had nokia phones, right from my first mobile
[12:59] <oh7lzb> I suppose the very basic phones are still about as good "normal" phones as before.
[12:59] <oh7lzb> The smartphones, however...
[12:59] <tim_> what happened to the billion MS gave them?
[13:01] <fsphil> temporarly plugging the huge sales leak I suspect
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[13:03] <oh7lzb> Huawei conveniently is setting up a mobile R&D center in Helsinki, at the same time with Nokia letting go a lot of engineers...
[13:03] <fsphil> smart move
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[13:07] <Brace> tim_: they built some really crap phones with the money
[13:07] <Brace> and probably don't have much now
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[13:08] <tim_> shame i loved there pure linux phones
[13:08] <fsphil> I so wanted one of those
[13:08] <tim_> like meego and symbian
[13:09] <tim_> i got the last linux phone nokia made before they switched to windows phone
[13:09] <tim_> the nokia n9
[13:09] <tim_> best phone ive ever had! period!
[13:09] <x-f> maemo anyone?
[13:10] <mfa298> woohoo, hanging onto random plugs has paid off, I have a bnc plug that looks to have been designed for the cable on the mag mount antenna for the rtlsdr
[13:11] Action: mfa298 breaks out the soldering iron.
[13:11] <oh7lzb> Posted Upu's blog post on FB 2 hours ago. "1,787 people saw this post"
[13:12] <tim_> maemo :D
[13:12] <tim_> nokia n900
[13:13] <x-f> oh7lzb, "i'll alert the media" (quote from some movie)
[13:13] <x-f> tim_, i have n770 :) i don't use it anymore though
[13:14] <tim_> good times when i loved nokia before they fired there linux staff :/
[13:15] <oh7lzb> A friend worked there, Linux/meego power management stuff. Now works on some win8 phone things I suppose.
[13:15] <oh7lzb> Not everyone got fired, luckily.
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[13:18] <tim_> but for now android will have to do to fill the linux phone gap
[13:18] <Upu> haha
[13:18] <Upu> thx oh7lzb :)
[13:18] <oh7lzb> I have to recycle your news since I don't have anything of my own to announce. :)
[13:19] <Upu> well its good for adding twitter users
[13:19] <oh7lzb> Those flights are so cool, they deserve to be followed.
[13:19] <Upu> trouble is now I have to tweet things that are interesting :)
[13:21] <daveake> :)
[13:22] <tim_> by the way if i do get all the parts for a HAB would someone be willing to show me how to put the wiring together
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[13:26] <fsphil> wiki :)
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[13:26] <tim_> every time i hear wiki i think of wikipedia instantly :)
[13:26] <daveake> Everything you need to know is in the UKHAS wiki*
[13:27] <daveake> *except for one thing. Which is how to find what you're looking for
[13:28] <fsphil> for that, there is zeusbot
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[13:31] <fsphil> and oh7lzb was enlightened
[13:32] <oh7lzb> hello?
[13:33] <oh7lzb> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:jimbob:bob would have been the answer.
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[13:43] <Maxell> oh7lzb: "My Yaesu VR-500 receiver does not seem to be the best at cleanly decoding as I had mirrors of the signal in several places."
[13:43] <Maxell> Hmm, I think it's just overloaded.
[13:44] <Darkside> sounds like it
[13:44] <G0DJA> Upu "trouble is now I have to tweet things that are interesting" - Why? No one else does...
[13:44] <Upu> true :)
[13:47] <daveake> So what's wrong with "I made a ball. It's pink. It has a face drawn on it" ? :)
[13:47] <G0DJA> !googlr ukhas+payload+names
[13:47] <G0DJA> oops
[13:47] <mfa298> Maxell: I'mnot sure how well handhelds like that work for HAB work. I've got a similar kenwood hand held and it's not been that good when I've tried it.
[13:48] <G0DJA> zeusbot doesn't seem to be able to find that
[13:49] <Maxell> mfa298: tried? On a HAB in the sky or with the transmitter at home?
[13:49] <Maxell> Did you tried with the stock antenna?
[13:49] <mfa298> I've tried using the kenwood to recieve balloons but it's not as sensitive as the 817
[13:50] <G0DJA> Is there a list of the names for payloads already used?
[13:50] <mfa298> that's both with the rubber duck and a better antenna
[13:50] <mfa298> it does work though so can be used
[13:50] <G0DJA> Which Kaenwood mfa298 ?
[13:50] <G0DJA> Kenwood - even
[13:50] Action: G0DJA is all fingers and thumbs today!
[13:51] <mfa298> can be helpful for finding the payload when it's landed based on signal strength
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[13:51] <mfa298> G0DJA: TH-7F I think
[13:51] <G0DJA> Not tried that one
[13:51] <G0DJA> I have a TS2000X which seems to be OK
[13:52] <mfa298> sorry, TH-F7 (I had the right characters just not necessarily in the right order)
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[13:52] <mfa298> G0DJA: I've also got the TS2000 and I think it's similar to the FT817 for recieving habs.
[13:53] <Maxell> G0DJA: you can see in dl-fldigi all the payloads.
[13:53] <Maxell> Menu > DL Client
[13:53] <Maxell> Configuer > all payloads (testing)
[13:54] <G0DJA> Is that all that have ever been used?
[13:55] <Maxell> I think that are all the payloads that have ever been trough the habitat database
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[13:55] <G0DJA> I'm thinking of using my grandaughters name but not sure if it's already been used or not?
[13:56] <tim_> just ran a simulation if i was to deploy a HAB it would land in hull!!
[13:56] <G0DJA> Looks like I'm OK from that list anyway
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[13:57] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: RT @daveake: This weekend's European float attempts written up at The Rgister http://t.co/IycGYdpmMF #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/322710075502370816]
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[13:57] <mfa298> well two radios on one antenna with a T connection seemed to work, I wonder how well three will work.
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[14:00] <Maxell> heheha
[14:00] <Maxell> needs moar splitters
[14:00] <Maxell> -- nobody
[14:01] <mfa298> it probably means I'll move further away from having a good match to the antenna but I'm not sure it means that much loss
[14:03] Action: mfa298 now needs better weather to test things
[14:03] <mfa298> so much for the good weather arriving
[14:03] <G0DJA> How high to most foil balloons go?
[14:05] <Darkside> 4-5km i think
[14:05] <Dave77> saw the register article.. can u take a canon 60D up on one of these ballon things?
[14:05] <mfa298> I think it's 4-5 if your lucky, some don't even get that high
[14:06] <Darkside> Dave77: not really
[14:06] <Darkside> not unless you replace all the lubricants with ones that won't freeze
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[14:06] <G0DJA> Thanks - but they don't usually burst do they? So would need to figure out slower decent rate for CUSF
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[14:06] <Darkside> Dave77: we've investigated (and almost did) flying a canon 7D
[14:06] <mfa298> G0DJA: they can burst, it's all down to how heavy the payload is and how much gas you put in
[14:07] <griffonbot> @paulbrichardson: RT @daveake: This weekend's European float attempts written up at The Rgister http://t.co/lr9F3twG40 #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS #citizenscience [http://twitter.com/paulbrichardson/status/322712670224666624]
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[14:10] <eroomde> Randomskk: since iain has arrived i have undertaken to use vim properly. i.e. no cursor keys or insert mode
[14:10] <eroomde> it has taken a bit of sweat
[14:10] <Randomskk> no insert mode?
[14:10] <Randomskk> and do you still use hkjl ever?
[14:11] <eroomde> but, i now present to you how to convert matlab vecotr indexing (eg 'a(3)') into numpy (i.e. 'a[2]')
[14:11] <eroomde> :%g/([0-9]\+)/exe "normal \<C-x>"|s/(\([0-9]\+\))/[\1]/g
[14:11] <Randomskk> wow
[14:11] <Darkside> magic
[14:12] <eroomde> spent about ten minutes working that one out
[14:12] <Darkside> thats excellent
[14:12] <eroomde> but just think how much time it will never save me in the future
[14:13] <eroomde> Randomskk: minimal insert mode*
[14:13] <Randomskk> I'd have just done like, idk
[14:14] <Randomskk> qa/(\d\+)<enter>l/^xq100@a or something
[14:14] <Randomskk> gotta make sure you count properly though
[14:14] <Randomskk> still
[14:14] <Randomskk> macros are awesome
[14:14] <Randomskk> \d is quicker than [0-9] fwiw
[14:15] <eroomde> indeed yes
[14:15] <eroomde> should probably internalise that
[14:15] <eroomde> that doesn't replace the round brakets with square ones though?
[14:15] <Randomskk> oh yea, true
[14:15] <Randomskk> more like...
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[14:16] <Randomskk> qa/(\d\+)<enter>r[l/^xt)r]q100@a or something
[14:16] <Randomskk> downside is it'l wrap around if you have fewer than 100, I think there's a good way to count finds though
[14:18] <Randomskk> right, you can just :%s/(\d\+)//gn to get the count without doing anything, then run @a that many times
[14:18] <Randomskk> your way is neater but more annoying to type :P
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[14:32] <eroomde> Randomskk: neater:
[14:32] <eroomde> %s/n(\([0-9]\+\))/\='n['.(submatch(1)-1).']'/g
[14:33] <eroomde> james understands vim, it turns out
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[14:34] <Randomskk> why the n prefix there?
[14:34] <Randomskk> before ( etc
[14:34] <Randomskk> just working on n(12) -> n[11]?
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[14:38] <eroomde> oh sorry yes
[14:38] <eroomde> array was called n
[14:38] <Randomskk> right, cool
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[14:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Stubbs "[UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of NSE1 13th April 2013 9AM"
[14:43] <SpooHaHa> exit
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[14:44] <HixWork_> chrisstubbs, yo!!
[14:44] <chrisstubbs> Hey Hix
[14:44] <Upu> cheers Chris amended Spacenear.us
[14:44] <HixWork_> dunno why you postponed
[14:44] <chrisstubbs> lol
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[14:45] <chrisstubbs> thanks upu, fingers crossed next time. Looking forward to having a go at tracking daves ssdv :)
[14:45] <chrisstubbs> Hix looks like stratodean will be coming your way: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9eecdc6984069d815d1e2d20677646b358084405
[14:46] <Upu> I would suggest they don't launch that
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> yeah maybe a little close to london
[14:46] <Upu> and Stanstead
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> oh i did it for the 13th and they are the 14th
[14:46] <HixWork_> Ware's it going ;p
[14:46] <HixWork_> Sun even more windy
[14:46] <chrisstubbs> Gloucestershire to enfield pretty much
[14:47] <HixWork_> Ahh, I'll get in touch and nimonate for recovery
[14:47] <HixWork_> nimonate? Nominate maybe
[14:47] <chrisstubbs> woahh yeah its going to hull if they launch sunday :P bit of a longer drive for you hix
[14:48] <HixWork_> chrisstubbs, the hourly image and the wiki
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[14:48] <HixWork_> I didn't put login details on there as I have a; forgotten
[14:48] <HixWork_> b: concerns that you probably didn't want logins on a website
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[14:49] <chrisstubbs> let me change the ones on mine first... :P
[14:49] <HixWork_> yeah, that's what i was going to ask. Then the wiki can have a set of credentials that people can use
[14:51] <chrisstubbs> done
[14:51] <chrisstubbs> chris/habhub1 root/habhub1
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[14:51] <chrisstubbs> worth advising to change the passwd when they install
[14:53] <mfa298> ideally you want a firstboot style system where it prompts for settings when they first turn it on
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[14:54] <mfa298> If I get around to creating a VM image I'll probably do something like that
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[14:54] <chrisstubbs> yeah with a little script to update the launch coords etc would be cool
[14:55] <mfa298> I need to learn how to create packages first though. If I push out a VM I want something that can be easily be updated
[14:57] <chrisstubbs> yeah, there are the failed remanats of my second predictor i tried to install alongside that one still on the VM
[15:00] <eroomde> for anyone who is interested in the history of the predictor
[15:00] <eroomde> http://starlogs.net/#jonsowman/cusf-standalone-predictor
[15:01] <jonsowman> hah
[15:01] <Randomskk> should drop merge commits and put author on :P
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[15:03] Action: priyesh makes repository with actual star wars wording in each commit message
[15:04] <eroomde> too late
[15:04] <mfa298> hmmm, not sure I can include it in quite that format in an RPM
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> this is not the repository you are looking for.
[15:04] <HixWork_> Wiki updated for hourly http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:hourlypredictor
[15:04] <HixWork_> tim_, ^^
[15:04] <eroomde> http://starlogs.net/#s-t-a-r-w-a-r-s/episode-iv
[15:04] <priyesh> haha
[15:05] <tim_> HixWork_: thanks dude
[15:05] <priyesh> it breaks if you move to another tab and come back a while later
[15:05] <eroomde> good work Hix
[15:05] <HixWork_> thank chrisstubbs tim_ he did the work initially and mfa298 and any others
[15:06] <HixWork_> not sure how many involved
[15:06] <tim_> chrisstubbs: thanks
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[15:06] <chrisstubbs> mine was all based around the work of mfa298
[15:06] <chrisstubbs> :P but i hope you find it useful
[15:08] <mfa298> and my stuff was based on other peoples notes, bash history and chats on here.
[15:08] <HixWork_> this is like the oscars :)
[15:08] <mfa298> I think I was just the person to write it up in a coherent way and without all the steps of experimentation.
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[15:09] <mfa298> I'd claim it as a team effort, although the real congrats probably should go to the people that wrote the code.
[15:09] <chrisstubbs> probably easier to understand than my rambling, pixelated video tutorial
[15:09] <chrisstubbs> yeah, that code scares me
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[15:13] <eroomde> Randomskk: something wonderful to have in your life if it's not there already
[15:13] <eroomde> %lprun
[15:13] <eroomde> needs install seperately
[15:13] <eroomde> but it's prun with line by line breakdown
[15:13] <Randomskk> oh nice
[15:13] <eroomde> you have to specify exactly which function you want it to do line-by-line in though
[15:13] <Randomskk> I recently discovered prof (as an alternative to gprof)
[15:13] <chrisstubbs> daveake, are you around?
[15:13] <eroomde> so for example
[15:14] <Randomskk> it's really nice
[15:14] <eroomde> %lprun -f my_dsp.my_inner_loop crunch_my_data(mydataset)
[15:14] <Randomskk> yea, reading up on it now
[15:14] <Randomskk> mprun also looks nice
[15:15] <eroomde> where the arguement after -f is the function you want to see the breakdown of line by line, and the last argument is just the global thing tou want to run, much like %prun crunch_my_data(mydataset)
[15:15] <willdude123> Anyone know how to setup a second virtual audio cable?
[15:15] <daveake> I'm round
[15:15] <daveake> +a
[15:16] <chrisstubbs> daveake, I was thinking today at work, could you not just use a USB>TTL converter to connect the GPS to the PI
[15:16] <chrisstubbs> or even the USB funtions of the ublox NEO-6
[15:16] <mfa298> willdude123: if you fire up the VAC control panel app there should be an option in there
[15:16] <chrisstubbs> instead of i2c?
[15:16] <willdude123> Oh Wow.
[15:16] <willdude123> That looks complicated.
[15:17] <mfa298> I think you can ignore most of it.
[15:17] <mfa298> in driver paramaters just change the number of cables.
[15:17] <mfa298> then I think you need to hit set and then restart
[15:18] <mfa298> (you might need to do a right click and run as administrator if you get errrors)
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Unless you already have a VAC running
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> in that case stop them first
[15:18] <daveake> chrisstubbs Yes you could and that would work
[15:18] <chrisstubbs> might have a play around with that then :)
[15:18] <tim_> does centos have the sudo command?
[15:19] <chrisstubbs> did you go for i2c as it just eliminates the need for extra components?
[15:19] <HixWork_> tim su root
[15:19] <Randomskk> you can install sudo
[15:19] <Randomskk> why would you use centos to make the hourly disk image :(
[15:19] <mfa298> sudo exists but it's not setup in the same way as Ubuntu
[15:20] <mfa298> room normally has a password on CentOS / RHEL
[15:20] <tim_> ohh
[15:20] <chrisstubbs> Randomskk, becuase thats what mfa298 did ;)
[15:20] <Randomskk> pfft :P
[15:21] <mfa298> I used CentOS as ubuntu never agrees with me (Every time I've used ubuntu I've had to hack it around for IPv6)
[15:22] <chrisstubbs> yeah ubuntu hates me too, anything past 9.10 just wont install
[15:22] <Randomskk> probably why centos does then
[15:22] <Randomskk> :P
[15:23] <willdude123> I was wondering, how does a quarter wave antenna actually work?
[15:23] <Randomskk> it depends on what you mean by 'actually work' and how much hand waving you will accept
[15:23] <mfa298> last time I used ubuntu it wouldn't shut down or restart cleanly (I *always* had to pull the virtual power lead)
[15:23] <Randomskk> the quick version is that the ground radials look like a big mirror that reflects the driven element, so the whole thing looks like a dipole
[15:24] <Randomskk> and dipoles work
[15:24] Action: daveake awaits next question ...
[15:24] <Randomskk> there are a number of further questions
[15:24] <Randomskk> like "how do dipoles work" and "why is a ground plane like a mirror" and "how do four radials make a ground plane"
[15:25] <Randomskk> it's a deep rabbit hole
[15:25] <mfa298> can't you simplify it down to: How antennas work == Black Magic
[15:25] <tim_> none of the commands are working
[15:25] <willdude123> daveake: I am the winner on pisg for the highest number of questions?
[15:25] <willdude123> Is that not cool?
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[15:25] <Randomskk> willdude123: does that roughly answer your question or did you want more details?
[15:26] <willdude123> I wonder how many lines I have typed in this channel?
[15:26] <willdude123> And how many are questions?
[15:26] <willdude123> Randomskk: It's ok.
[15:26] <willdude123> Randomskk: I'll do some googling.
[15:26] <tim_> mfa298: how come the commands dont work from the wiki?
[15:26] <chrisstubbs> yeah i winder that about myself willdude123, there should be a stats counter for sentances ending in ?
[15:27] <chrisstubbs> *wonder
[15:27] <mfa298> tim_ which commands are you looking at ?
[15:27] <costyn> chrisstubbs: should be retreivable from the zeusbot logs
[15:27] <tim_> mfa298: scroll down http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:hourlypredictor
[15:27] <tim_> like fetch-run
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[15:28] <mfa298> as far as I know they should run
[15:28] <costyn> willdude123: indeed. haha Willdude123 didn't know that much either. 32.3% of his/her lines were questions.
[15:29] <mfa298> I think on my install I change to the /opt/cusf-landing-prediction directory and then run the scripts as ./scripts/fetch-run-cronjob.sh
[15:29] <HixWork_> tim_, to run type ./fetch-run
[15:29] <mfa298> depending on how the image is setup you might need to do it as root
[15:29] <HixWork_> ....
[15:29] <HixWork_> su root
[15:29] <HixWork_> then password from wiki
[15:29] <HixWork_> habhub1
[15:30] <griffonbot> @willduckworth: RT @daveake: This weekend's European float attempts written up at The Rgister http://t.co/IycGYdpmMF #Raspberry_Pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/willduckworth/status/322733478779158529]
[15:30] <tim_> still not working
[15:30] <willdude123> costyn: I intend to get that up to at least 40% ?
[15:30] <mfa298> what errors do you get ?
[15:31] <costyn> willdude123: well don't force it :P
[15:31] <HixWork_> tim where are you when you run them as in pwd
[15:31] <willdude123> Why do we need pisg?
[15:31] <willdude123> :) ?
[15:31] <tim_> in root
[15:31] <willdude123> Sorry, I'll stop trolling now.
[15:31] <HixWork_> you'll need to cd to the right place unless you spec the correct path
[15:32] <HixWork_> i.e cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction
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[15:33] <HixWork_> tim_, cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/scripts
[15:33] <HixWork_> then ./fetch-run-cronjob.sh
[15:33] <tim_> allready tried didnot work
[15:34] <HixWork_> you are root yes?
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[15:34] <tim_> oh wait
[15:35] <tim_> looks like its doing something
[15:35] <mfa298> if it's working it will take a while to run
[15:35] <tim_> vmware adapter going crazy
[15:35] <tim_> got an empty line
[15:35] <tim_> must be doing something
[15:35] <HixWork_> cd to /opt/landing-prediction-data/gfs
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[15:36] <HixWork_> then look for the latest date i.e gfs_1366405200_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[15:36] <HixWork_> then tail -f gfs_1366405200_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[15:36] <tim_> im not able to type any command yet
[15:36] <HixWork_> should show you progress
[15:36] <HixWork_> new ssh
[15:36] <HixWork_> putty etc
[15:37] <HixWork_> normally takes at least 15 mins upto an hour if you're unlucky
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[15:37] <tim_> what are cron jobs?
[15:38] <HixWork_> jobs that are timed to run afaik
[15:38] <mfa298> cron is an automatic scheduler
[15:38] <HixWork_> think it comes fron chronos
[15:38] <tim_> ok i take it its pulling info from a server?
[15:38] <HixWork_> yes
[15:38] <HixWork_> NOAA iirc
[15:39] <HixWork_> did you open a new ssh and do the tail -f thing?
[15:39] <mfa298> the idea is you can set it up to download the data and run the predictions on a regular basis
[15:39] <HixWork_> you should see it all in progress
[15:40] <tim_> i have no idea how to do that in vmware
[15:40] <tim_> first time ive used vmware to be hinest
[15:40] <tim_> hinest*
[15:40] <HixWork_> what are you running as an os
[15:40] <tim_> honest**
[15:40] <HixWork_> Ubuntu?
[15:40] <tim_> yeah
[15:41] <HixWork_> so you need the ip of the CentOS installation and putty
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[15:41] <HixWork_> then you just localy remotely ssh into it
[15:41] <HixWork_> if you know what i mean :)
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[15:42] <mfa298> if you're running the command from the console (what appears in the VMWare window you should also be able to get other screens (virtual terminals) with Alt+F<n>
[15:42] <mfa298> where <n> is 1-6
[15:42] <tim_> ive never sshed either
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[15:42] <HixWork_> putty makes it simple
[15:42] <tim_> and also first time in using a server os
[15:42] <HixWork_> its just another term
[15:42] <chrisstubbs> bbl
[15:43] <HixWork_> seeya chrisstubbs
[15:43] <chrisstubbs> laters man
[15:43] <mfa298> tim_: it shouldn't be that different to any other linux, there's not really server or desktop versions (people do use CentOS for desktops as well)
[15:45] <HixWork_> tim_, here - i'm logged into mine from windows using putty, but its the same as ubuntu
[15:45] <HixWork_> http://i.imgur.com/sUGED9g.png
[15:54] <tim_> ive cd into gfs
[15:56] <HixWork_> ok so just ls
[15:56] <tim_> ahh
[15:56] <HixWork_> select latest file i.e gfs_1366405200_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[15:56] <HixWork_> then tail -f gfs_1366405200_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[15:56] <HixWork_> you should then see it working away like a boss
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[15:58] <HixWork_> pants cd to /opt/landing-prediction-data/logs
[15:58] <HixWork_> then tail -f fetchdatalog-2013.04.12-12:00:01 or whatever
[15:58] <HixWork_> my bad
[15:59] <HixWork_> sorry - it is friday and i am in the office :)
[15:59] <HixWork_> ooh cinqe heures, not for long then
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[16:00] <tim_> got it
[16:00] <HixWork_> sweet
[16:01] <tim_> says unable to find the server?
[16:01] <HixWork_> hmm, you could have the issue i had, look on wiki for resolv.conf
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[16:04] <tim_> the dns name server
[16:05] <HixWork_> theres only [1]... chrisstubbs
[16:05] <HixWork_> tim_, yep
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[16:05] <HixWork_> vi resolv.conf
[16:05] <HixWork_> set to 8.8.8.8 then :w
[16:05] <HixWork_> :q to exit
[16:06] Action: mfa298 wonders if there's something odd in that resolv.conf if two people are having issues with it
[16:06] <tim_> how do i get out of unresponive command
[16:06] <HixWork_> mfa298, think its using 192.168.1.254 but some routers are borking it so we went with 8.8.8.8
[16:06] <HixWork_> googles dns resolver as far as i remember
[16:07] <HixWork_> ctrl c
[16:07] <HixWork_> right i'm escaping the office, biab
[16:07] <mfa298> I'm wondering if the vm image is not using the dns settings from dhcp so it having issure
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[16:08] <tim_> so do i need to set it at 8.8.8.8?
[16:08] <mfa298> tim_: that's worth trying, that's one of the google dns servers so should work
[16:09] <tim_> great -,- im not able to type
[16:09] <Randomskk> why don't you just use dhcp
[16:09] <Randomskk> it has a hardcoded 192.168.1.254?
[16:09] <Randomskk> that's not a normal dns server address even for local networks
[16:10] <mfa298> Randomskk: pass, I'm not sure what that image does (I can't run it as it's not compatible with my VMWare setup)
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[16:10] <mfa298> I would hope that it's getting dns from dhcp but with two people having issues it might be doing something odd.
[16:11] <mfa298> tim_: if you've not used vim before you might find it easier to use nano instead (hopefully its installed)
[16:11] <mfa298> (vim is well worth learning though)
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[16:24] <tim_> vim is a pain in the arse
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[16:25] <mfa298> tim_: careful saying that in here :p
[16:25] <mfa298> vim is really good when you know how it works, but it's a steep learning curve
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[16:26] <tim_> yes a very steep learning curve when told to add 8.8.8.8 and its duplicating telling me to add ! to overide
[16:26] <tim_> what the heck!
[16:27] <arko> http://www.glendalenewspress.com/news/tn-818-0411-officials-tranquillize-fairly-large-mountain-lion-in-la-crescenta-for-relocation,0,7453652.story
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[16:27] <arko> neat, they caught that up the street from me
[16:28] <mfa298> tim if you want to exit without changing anything hit escape a few times (changes to command mode) and then type :q!
[16:28] <mfa298> then use nano to edit the file instead.
[16:29] <mfa298> otherwise you can move to the right place in the file, hit i to go into insert mode, enter what you want to change, then hit escape and then type :wq
[16:30] <Randomskk> tim_: really there are much better editors to use if you don't know vim, for that purpose
[16:30] <Randomskk> "nano /etc/resolv.conf" might be much easier
[16:32] <tim_> is nano default in centos?
[16:33] <Randomskk> I would hope so or centos is even worse than I already thought :P
[16:33] <oh7lzb> 2,756 people saw this post, 52 likes, 24 shares
[16:33] <oh7lzb> 8.8.8.8 is yet another way to sell your soul, but might work
[16:34] <tim_> i had to install it
[16:34] <Randomskk> haha wow centos
[16:34] <Randomskk> good going
[16:35] <lz1dev> oh7lzb: you can always go with 4.2.2.2
[16:35] <mfa298> nano is on my hab vm and that was a pretty minimal install
[16:35] <tim_> well the nameserver is set to my router
[16:36] <tim_> not sure if i need to change it or not?
[16:37] <lz1dev> tim_: can you resolve?
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[16:43] <arko> hah nice, aprs.fi just posted a pink payload on facebook, im like "that looks like an Upu payload" .. it totally is
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[16:44] <lz1dev> smily face :D
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[16:44] <HixPad> Sorted tim_ ?
[16:44] <arko> lz1dev: was it you who runs aprs.fi?
[16:45] <arko> i get callsigns mixed up all the time
[16:46] <lz1dev> nope
[16:47] <Upu> lol
[16:48] <arko> i need to figure out my sleep schedule so i can be awake for the habs
[16:49] <arko> more fun to watch live
[16:49] <tim_> im just not sure if i should change the name server of my home router ip to 8.8.8.8
[16:49] <HixPad> tim_: ? Did you do resolv.conf?
[16:49] <tim_> yes
[16:49] <HixPad> No joy?
[16:50] <arko> Upu: got a question for ya, did you change 3VTX to RX and 3VRX to TX on the gps breakout board?
[16:50] <tim_> im looking at it now with nano
[16:50] <HixPad> Ok
[16:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Solar Balloonman "[UKHAS] Members in the Wellingborough area."
[16:50] <HixPad> Can you ping www.google.com from centos?
[16:51] <tim_> first how do i exit nano
[16:51] <Randomskk> it says at the bottom
[16:51] <HixPad> I'm guessing :q
[16:51] <Randomskk> :q is vim
[16:51] <Randomskk> ctrl+x exits from nano
[16:51] <HixPad> Not used nano
[16:52] <HixPad> Second port of call I was gonna go for :)
[16:52] <lz1dev> <ctrl+x>n
[16:52] <tim_> i can ping google
[16:52] <HixPad> And what is the error when you run fetch-run....
[16:53] <tim_> i was able to run command to get data
[16:54] <tim_> but when i trail -f .dat says could not connect if i remember rightly
[16:55] <HixPad> I screwed that bit. Cd to logs instead of gfs
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[16:55] <HixPad> And tail -f not trail unless that was typo
[16:56] <tim_> typo
[16:56] <HixPad> K
[16:56] <tim_> sorry long day no sleep
[16:56] <HixPad> Nps
[16:56] Nick change: HixPad -> typoking
[16:56] <typoking> Heh
[16:56] <typoking> Normally me :)
[16:56] <tim_> can you give me the cd dir to the logs please
[16:57] Nick change: typoking -> HixPad
[16:57] <HixPad> From gfs do cd..
[16:57] <cuddykid> took the hex out for a flight - dropped out the sky mid-way through an auto mission - turns out to be esc/motor failure
[16:57] <HixPad> Then you'll see it when you os
[16:57] <HixPad> Ls
[16:57] <HixPad> Damn you apple
[16:58] <cuddykid> fortunately nothing damaged as landed in long grass - extremely lucky!
[16:58] <HixPad> You're running out of lives cuddykid
[16:58] <HixPad> ;p
[16:58] <cuddykid> HixPad: yep!
[16:58] <cuddykid> can't believe one of the motors just stopped spinning
[16:58] <cuddykid> was waiting for it to pull up and regain altitude but it never happened
[16:59] <HixPad> They don't like crashes
[16:59] <cuddykid> was travelling fast sideways too - so just sort of drove itself into the ground
[16:59] Nick change: dl5sfi -> DL5SFI_Steffen
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[16:59] <HixPad> tim_: When you pod where are you?
[16:59] <HixPad> Pwd gfs
[16:59] <HixPad> Ffs
[17:00] <cuddykid> however, the motor is occasionally spinning and esc is making very odd noises
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[17:00] <cuddykid> I'll upload a vid
[17:00] <HixPad> Vertical?
[17:01] Action: mfa298 appears to have created a working rpm (Pydap-3.0.1) - Now to create fix the bits that aren't quite right in it
[17:01] <Randomskk> why does it need an rpm vs just pip installing it?
[17:02] <HixPad> tim_: What you get from pwd?
[17:02] <mfa298> Randomskk: I wanted to make something that can potentially be more easily upgraded - especially when people start using my destructions.
[17:03] <tim_> i forgot the dir with the logs
[17:03] <HixPad> But where are you when you pwd?
[17:03] <mfa298> plus I wanted to learn about packaging software and this seemed like a good way.
[17:03] <HixPad> I've not got access to ssh on pad so if you are near to it can guide you easily
[17:04] <HixPad> If you are in gfs then just cd../logs
[17:04] <tim_> im in scripts
[17:04] <HixPad> Right go to /opt
[17:05] <HixPad> Then le
[17:05] <HixPad> Ls
[17:05] <HixPad> Landing-prediction.... Forgt rest
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[17:05] <HixPad> Not one of the cusf folders
[17:06] <tim_> landing-prediction-data?
[17:06] <HixPad> Yup
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[17:06] <HixPad> Then ls what do you see?
[17:06] <tim_> would helped if i typed in vmware -,-
[17:07] <cuddykid> HixPad: the weird goings on now from the motor/esc combo in question: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ktblutlgys0i43/IMG_0076.MOV
[17:07] <tim_> there it is i found logs
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[17:08] <HixPad> Ok then find latest date log select it then type tail -f right click paste log
[17:08] Nick change: Morseman_ -> Morseman
[17:09] <tim_> its downloading data
[17:09] <HixPad> If it doesn't update then it's just the last job it did, when did you kick off last job?
[17:10] <tim_> a while back
[17:10] <HixPad> cuddykid: Pad no likely that vid, how big?
[17:10] <cuddykid> HixPad: as in file size? less than 1mb
[17:11] <HixPad> Probably just the last job then tim_ try kicking off a new one then do tail again
[17:12] <HixPad> cuddykid: It's vertical again? :)
[17:12] <cuddykid> HixPad: yeah :( sorry!
[17:12] <HixPad> eroomde: Might say something :P
[17:12] <cuddykid> just quickly snapped it on the iphone
[17:12] <HixPad> Heh
[17:12] <cuddykid> yeah, don't notify eroomde haha
[17:12] <HixPad> Nope chrome not liking it
[17:13] <HixPad> !summ...... Nah ;)
[17:13] <tim_> what exactly am i downloading?
[17:13] <HixPad> Weather data for the prediction ;)
[17:13] <HixPad> I hope
[17:13] <tim_> ohh right
[17:13] <tim_> global?
[17:13] <HixPad> Pass
[17:13] <HixPad> Don't think so
[17:14] <HixPad> Think they restrict output as everyone hammers their servers
[17:15] <HixPad> Seems a chrome issue cuddykid wasn't one borked before the off
[17:16] <mfa298> by default it only grabs an area around the uk, you can change what it grabs in one of the scripts
[17:16] <cuddykid> HixPad: different one
[17:16] <HixPad> hmm
[17:16] <cuddykid> all were working perfectly before
[17:16] <HixPad> Tried recal?
[17:16] <cuddykid> I did notice on boot up today that an esc made a funny noise, but then a rebooted and all was fine
[17:16] <cuddykid> going to try that later
[17:17] <cuddykid> I tried disarming and arming a few times after then got it back working and flying, then it just failed again mid-flight (low alt this time)
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[17:18] <HixPad> Anything on rcgroups forums like that?
[17:19] <HixPad> Prob pretty common
[17:20] <tim_> ermm the downloading seems to have stopped?
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[17:21] <cuddykid> HixPad: going to have a look
[17:21] <HixPad> So in browser enter the ip of centos
[17:21] <tim_> just says gfs/gfs_lognumbers*.dat
[17:21] <HixPad> Not gfs you should be in logs
[17:22] <dshaw_> using http://habhub.org/calc/ to find out how much gas I need to purchase. Would like to try hydrogen rather than helium. When I switch between the two gases, though, I'm getting that I need the same amount of volume of both helium and hydrogen. I expected beforehand that these numbers would differ >.< Anyone had experience using hydrogen?
[17:24] <tim_> i am in logs
[17:24] <lz1dev> dshaw_: yes, since you start from altitude you want to reach
[17:24] <lz1dev> if you use ascent rate, the amount would differ
[17:25] <fsphil> the amount will not differ a huge amount
[17:25] <tim_> it says writing output... writing gfs/gfs_1366426800_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[17:26] <dshaw_> lz1dev, fsphil: it seems that the only quantities changing when switching between helium and hydrogen are ascent rate, neck lift, and time to burst. meanwhile the volume metrics stay the same (L, m^3, ft^3)
[17:26] <HixPad> Starts fetchdatalog-2013.04.12-18:.....
[17:27] <dshaw_> lz1dev, fsphil: i'll probably give kaymont a call to confirm, but figured you guys may also have experience with using hydrogen
[17:27] <HixPad> Ah oki so it's working, just keep watching and it'll update tim_
[17:27] <tim_> its just seemed to have stopped though
[17:27] <HixPad> How long has it been hung for?
[17:27] <tim_> a while
[17:28] <HixPad> Piece of string
[17:28] <HixPad> Rough time?
[17:28] <HixPad> I units of time :)
[17:28] <lz1dev> dshaw_: its not supposed to change
[17:29] <tim_> this process needs to be automated
[17:30] <lz1dev> dshaw_: try matching the ascent speed
[17:31] <tim_> im getting no traffic threw the network adapter
[17:31] <HixPad> It is tim you are just manually running it
[17:31] <tim_> the process must of stopped
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[17:31] <HixPad> It's probably processing, what does last linen of tail say?
[17:31] <HixPad> Patience is your friend ;p
[17:32] <tim_> writing gfs/gfs_1366426800_52.0_0.0_10.0_10.0.dat
[17:32] <dshaw_> lz1dev: I will try doing that, what if I don't care about the ascent speed, though?
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[17:33] <dshaw_> lz1dev: or should I be matching them?
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[17:34] <dshaw_> lz1dev: when using the form, I'm trying to target a burst altitude rather than an ascent speed, but maybe this isn't the way I should be approaching the project
[17:34] <HixPad> tim_: Mine is on same, maybe server is holding up their end
[17:34] <lz1dev> dshaw_: ascent rate is more important imo
[17:34] <geepee> hi all. i'm working on an arduino project as a tracker and i'm wondering if there's a faster way to transmit than rtty. Currently the program has to wait for the string to transmit but then I can't log my other data to SD with the frequency I want
[17:35] <lz1dev> dshaw_: a low ascent speed, might create floater
[17:35] <dshaw_> lz1dev: I'm very new to high altitude balloon...so maybe you could explain why you believe ascent rate is more important :D
[17:35] <Randomskk> geepee: use interrupts on the arduino
[17:35] <dshaw_> lz1dev: ahhh, I see
[17:35] <geepee> won't that malform the tx on the radio?
[17:36] <lz1dev> dshaw_: best practicde is to aim for 5m/s ascent rate
[17:36] <HixPad> geepee: www.engblaze.com/microcontroller-tutorial-avr-and-arduino-timer-interrupts/
[17:36] <lz1dev> and control the estimated burst altitude with balloon and payload size
[17:36] <dshaw_> lz1dev: when using 70,000 feet as my target burst altitude, 6lbs payload weight, and kaymont 600 I receive hydrogen 6.74 m/s and helium 6.18 m/s...do you believe these to be too high?
[17:37] <HixPad> 6lbs?
[17:37] <geepee> thanks, i will have a read of that
[17:37] <dshaw_> lz1dev: ft and lbs coverted to m and grams, of course
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[17:38] <lz1dev> dshaw_: as i said, best practice would be to aim at 5m/s
[17:38] <lz1dev> you can use the mouse scroll wheel over inputs to see how it affects the calcualtion
[17:38] <dshaw_> lz1dev: thanks for your help. i'll definitely spend more time calculating before purchasing my gas
[17:41] <lz1dev> dshaw_: try out different values to get a feel what affects what
[17:42] <lz1dev> then you can run a prediction http://habhub.org/predict/
[17:43] <dshaw_> lz1dev: the calc and predict pages for habhub are both super helpful, so thanks if anyone in this IRC worked on those pages. For my project, I'm aiming for a burst altitude of ~70,000 ft and for a 6lbs payload (FAA weight limit on ballooning)
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[17:45] <HixPad> Where are you dshaw_ arko US HAB alert
[17:45] <dshaw_> HixPad: sorry, but what does ark US HAB alert mean?
[17:45] <arko> ?
[17:46] <HixPad> dshaw_: Arko is a US jabber
[17:46] <HixPad> Habber grrr apple
[17:46] <tim_> ill be a senoir when this finishes
[17:47] <dshaw_> HixPad: Guess I'm just a little confused :(. I'm launching from Missouri ,USA
[17:47] <HixPad> You can prob just leave it tim_ seems to work, check the ip in your browser later
[17:47] <HixPad> Nps dshaw_ bit far from arko I think
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[17:49] <arko> woah Missouri is a bit more than far :P
[17:50] <mfa298> tim_: has it been going over an hour ?
[17:50] <arko> im in los angeles
[17:50] <tim_> feels like it :D
[17:50] <HixPad> Only a few timezones arko ;)
[17:51] <HixPad> mfa298: Mine is hung on same data set
[17:51] <mfa298> if it has been then something might have gone wrong, for a reasonable machine it should be 15-30 mins
[17:51] <HixPad> Seems weird that 2 different systems hand on exactly same data set
[17:52] <mfa298> that said my cron job started at 18:30 and is still going
[17:53] <dshaw_> May be a stupid question, but the best way to minimize the length between launch and landing would be burst altitude...correct?
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[17:53] <mfa298> mine looks to be downloading data still
[17:53] <mfa298> INFO: Downloading data for Tue Apr 16 15:00:00 2013.
[17:53] <HixPad> My bad, last line is April 20th
[17:53] <HixPad> tim_: Enter ip of centos in your browser and see
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[17:54] <tim_> how do i ifconfig while console is busy
[17:54] <HixPad> New ssh window tim_
[17:54] <mfa298> you can use alt-F2 to get to a differnet console
[17:55] <HixPad> Does that work on a vm mfa298
[17:55] <mfa298> should do
[17:55] <HixPad> Ok
[17:56] <mfa298> it's exactly the same as if it was on a real pc.
[17:56] <mfa298> the vm window is like a physical monitor
[17:56] <HixPad> I just use putty
[17:57] <tim_> it comes up with google maps
[17:57] <HixPad> Ah wait, the image chrisstubbs did was minimal install I think
[17:57] <mfa298> putty is usually better, I don't often connect to the console on my vm's
[17:57] <HixPad> tim_: Is there a trace on the map and info bottom left?
[17:57] <tim_> yeah
[17:57] <HixPad> Like flight-predictor.widerimage.co.uk
[17:57] <HixPad> Then you're sorted
[17:58] <tim_> yeah
[17:58] <HixPad> Did you update the Json file for locations and ascent rate etc?
[17:58] <tim_> dont think so
[17:58] <HixPad> Wiki tells you locn and file to edit
[17:59] <HixPad> But just leave fetch to cron then
[17:59] <mfa298> I'm not sure it was that minimal, I had a feeling it ended up being bigger than my image - I probably ought to try and persaude it to install - it might make helping others easier
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[18:00] <HixPad> When I use it on my server it's just a terminal, no desktop etc
[18:00] <mfa298> he may have just turned that off
[18:01] <HixPad> Ok
[18:01] <S_Mark> This is running on a raspberry pi http://predictor.stratodean.co.uk/
[18:02] <HixPad> Hi S_Mark looking a bit iffy for tomorrow. If you launch I can retrieve as right near me.
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[18:02] <tim_> so what can i do now with this server?
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[18:03] <HixPad> Set up a port forward on router and use it a
[18:03] <S_Mark> Hey, the original plan was sunday as we cant do tomorrow! Sunday is worse, might be looking at an abort for this weekend, but still fingers crossed
[18:03] <HixPad> S a web page
[18:03] <HixPad> Yeah Sunday looks like hull
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[18:03] <S_Mark> You can say that again lol
[18:04] Nick change: MoALTz_ -> MoALTz
[18:04] <HixPad> Or hell ;)
[18:04] <tim_> so i how show in real time my HAB if i wanted to?
[18:04] <HixPad> Spacenear tim_ as long as you have trackers
[18:05] <tim_> awesome
[18:05] <HixPad> Search tracking on wiki
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[18:05] <S_Mark> Would be prepared for a higher ascent rate but it is looking rainy now
[18:05] <S_Mark> !
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[18:06] <HixPad> chrisstubbs: Called his off too
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[18:07] <S_Mark> Ah did he
[18:07] <S_Mark> Yeah was wondering what he was doing
[18:07] <HixPad> Yup look 86.159.4.121
[18:08] <HixPad> If you go for launch in the morning lemme know, it's predicted near me so can collect and post
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[18:09] <nosebleedkt> fsphil,
[18:09] <nosebleedkt> do you have a link
[18:09] <S_Mark> Ok thanks. We would like to chase as it's our first one, but IF we did do it and needed a hand we would defo let people know
[18:09] <nosebleedkt> with the live images
[18:09] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[18:09] <HixPad> Nps S_Mark
[18:09] <fsphil> it's also linked from the top of the spacenear tracker
[18:10] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, what was your freq and power?
[18:10] <S_Mark> Thought it was going to be a nice weekend!
[18:10] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, I dont see any of your images
[18:10] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: oh you mean previous images?
[18:10] <fsphil> one sec
[18:10] <nosebleedkt> yes from past missios
[18:10] <HixPad> Only for fish mark
[18:11] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fsphil/tags/ssdv/
[18:11] <fsphil> 10mw, 434mhz
[18:11] <fsphil> 300 baud
[18:12] <nosebleedkt> I have some clever person that tells me with 500mw I can hardly get 2km range ..
[18:12] <nosebleedkt> and i want to show him your stuff
[18:14] <lz1dev> did he offer you a solution in the range of lb4000 ?
[18:14] <fsphil> 500mw would be very nice
[18:14] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: he might be talking about those hardware modems like xbee
[18:15] <fsphil> the range of those seems to be about 30km-ish line of sight
[18:15] <nosebleedkt> i cant get my UHF radios working
[18:15] <nosebleedkt> and im now looking for new radio
[18:15] <nosebleedkt> found this
[18:15] <nosebleedkt> http://www.futurlec.com/Radio-433MHZ.shtml
[18:16] <fsphil> those where with an NTX2, and either an FT817 or Funcube Dongle receiver
[18:16] <fsphil> that looks a bit too basic
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[18:18] <fsphil> one of the advantages of doing it the NTX2 way is being able to use a much more sensitive receiver
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[18:19] <arko> woot!
[18:19] <arko> HABEX2 recovery team leaves tonight
[18:19] <fsphil> good luck!
[18:19] <arko> :)
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[18:20] <fsphil> this is a kind of recovery I'll never need to head out to :)
[18:20] <arko> it's good to note that reaching out to your local search and rescue is always a good idea
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[18:20] <arko> hehe
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[18:20] <fsphil> yea I've been considering meeting the local coastguard crew :)
[18:21] <fsphil> it's far too simple to land in the ocean here
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[18:21] <arko> im confident in the math, it's just the worry if the hab actually didn't deviate from it
[18:21] <arko> yeah, lots of water there
[18:21] <arko> im just worried about being able to see the payload
[18:21] <arko> it's pink as all hell
[18:22] <arko> 35cm x 35cm x 60cm
[18:22] <arko> er 50cm
[18:22] <arko> so it's fairly large
[18:22] <fsphil> yea pink is not a colour normally associated with a desert
[18:22] <arko> not sure how easy it will be able to spot from 0.25km away
[18:23] <fsphil> be interesting if any animals have had a go at it
[18:23] <fsphil> they might think it's food
[18:26] <arko> THANKS
[18:26] <arko> that makes me feel good
[18:26] <arko> :P
[18:27] <fsphil> glad to be of help :)
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[18:30] <griffonbot> Received email: STRATODEAN "[UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of STRATODEAN 14th April 2013 10AM"
[18:30] <S_Mark> OK STRATODEAN launch is postponed this weekend, new date of next Sunday 21st.
[18:30] <S_Mark> Too much heavy wind and rain predicted
[18:30] <tim_> why does my hourly predictor say its in chelmsford?
[18:32] <mfa298> that might be the default location for it
[18:32] <tim_> how do i change the default location?
[18:32] <mfa298> you need to edit /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions/scenario-template.json
[18:33] <jonsowman> and say a spell and sacrifice a goat
[18:34] <mfa298> you should then be able to just run:
[18:34] <tim_> in nano?
[18:34] <mfa298> cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction && ./scripts/hourly-predictions-cronjob.sh
[18:34] <mfa298> any editor you want
[18:34] <mfa298> it's just a text file
[18:34] <mfa298> the script I just mentioned will re-do the predictions without spending ages downloading the data
[18:36] <S_Mark> exit
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[18:41] <tim_> im still getting chelmsford
[18:42] <fsphil> you need to re-run the prediction
[18:42] <mfa298> did you run the script I suggested above
[18:42] <mfa298> cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction && ./scripts/hourly-predictions-cronjob.sh
[18:42] <tim_> i ran it
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[18:44] <tim_> cd
[18:45] <mfa298> if you've updated the lat/long values in the scenario-template.json file and run hourly-predictions-cronjob.sh you should have new predictions.
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[18:45] <tim_> how do i update scenario
[18:46] <mfa298> that's the file I said to edit just now (/opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions/scenario-template.json)
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[18:46] <mfa298> it contains the flight params (launch location, ascent rate and descent rate)
[18:48] <tim_> with nano im getting blank
[18:49] <mfa298> if you havn't it might be easiest to do the following
[18:49] <mfa298> cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions
[18:49] <mfa298> nano scenario-template.json
[18:50] <tim_> im on it
[18:51] <mfa298> do you see stuff in there now ?
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[18:53] <mfa298> it should look something like http://hab.yapd.net/hourly/scenario-template.json
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[18:54] <tim_> which way is latitude and longitude?
[18:55] Nick change: HixPad_ -> HixPad
[18:55] <fsphil> latitude is up and down
[18:56] <fsphil> or more correctly, north and south :)
[18:56] <mfa298> up and down isn't a bad description
[18:56] <HixPad> Up down left right lat lon
[18:57] <fsphil> you can remember it by it being similar to altitude (up and down), just the first two letters backwards
[18:57] <mfa298> tim_: if you're uk the your own lat and long shouldn't be that different to what's already in there
[18:58] <HixPad> Go to google maps click your location and choose what's here, you'll have your lat lon
[18:58] <mfa298> if you're not in the UK you'll need to edit another file (and download the wind data again)
[18:58] <HixPad> He's near Liverpool mfa298
[18:59] <HixPad> Near ~20miles
[18:59] <tim_> what file format ?
[18:59] <HixPad> For what tim_ ?
[19:00] <tim_> scenario-template.json
[19:00] <tim_> nano is asking a file format for saving
[19:00] <HixPad> To edit it?
[19:00] <HixPad> .json
[19:00] <HixPad> Prob easier to vi it
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[19:01] <mfa298> does it give you choices for file format (I just tried editing it with nano here and it just worked
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[19:02] <mfa298> no questions about file format
[19:02] <HixPad> Did think it was weird
[19:02] <HixPad> You're not saving as are you tim_ .
[19:03] <tim_> apparently it saved but it hasnt made any changes
[19:03] <mfa298> I'd really like to sort out a vm image that has a nice interface for editing these things.
[19:03] <mfa298> you'll need to re-run the predictions for the map to update
[19:03] <mfa298> cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction && ./scripts/hourly-predictions-cronjob.sh
[19:03] <HixPad> Or just leave it to cron
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> gedit is a nice interface :P
[19:04] <mfa298> just copy and paste my last line
[19:04] Action: mfa298 suspects gedit doesn't work on a terminal
[19:04] <HixPad> I just used vi
[19:05] <HixPad> It's ugly but functional
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> quite possibly not
[19:05] <tim_> oh dear
[19:05] <HixPad> Sup?
[19:05] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: I'm also thinking an interface that requires little or no linux knowledge to configure the hourly predictor
[19:05] <tim_> my coord are set next to the netherlands
[19:05] <HixPad> Rite of passage?
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> yeah an automated script wouls be cool
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[19:10] <HixPad> tim_: www.nearby.org.uk/coord.cgi
[19:11] <tim_> i think i fixed my problem
[19:12] <tim_> i dont think i put a minus on longitude
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[19:13] <mfa298> that would do it
[19:14] <mfa298> the problem with living close to the prime meridian
[19:14] <HixPad> Heh, I'm pretty much on it
[19:15] <tim_> the tab still says chelmsford
[19:15] <HixPad> Well 0.03E
[19:15] <chrisstubbs> tim you need to change the <title> in the html file
[19:15] <HixPad> You'll have to edit the actual page tim_
[19:15] <chrisstubbs> thats where the tab title is set
[19:16] <tim_> wow i am that tired!
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[19:19] <griffonbot> @IK6REB: RT @aprsfi: This Saturday: @AnthonyStirk: AVA APRS is ready to fly European Tour or bust : http://t.co/D6ShFOjTlk #ukhas [http://twitter.com/IK6REB/status/322791162383568896]
[19:24] <tim_> where the index page located?
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[19:43] <tim_> can someone tell me please where the index.html page is located please?
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[19:44] <chrisstubbs> sure tim will just check for you
[19:45] <chrisstubbs> i think: /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web
[19:45] <tim_> cheers
[19:45] <chrisstubbs> might be another folder called hourly inside that
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[19:47] <tim_> thats index.php that just says hello!
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[19:48] <chrisstubbs> cd hourly-predictions
[19:48] <dharnke> i had a quetion on equipment to use in launch, how to construct the payload to include balloon and chute, is there a beginners tutorial?
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> index.html is in there
[19:49] <tim_> found it
[19:49] <chrisstubbs> :)
[19:49] <tim_> atlast
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[19:49] <chrisstubbs> once you have cd'ed though all the folders a few hundred thousand times you will remember :P
[19:50] <tim_> after this i will finally have my predicter up and running
[19:51] <tim_> perfect
[19:51] <tim_> thanks gents
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[19:51] <chrisstubbs> no problem :)
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> dharnke, this diagram from stratodean may help: http://bit.ly/17vNU5o
[19:53] <chrisstubbs> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon shows how to seal the balloon and attatch the payload line
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[19:57] <dharnke> thanks
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[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> when is the flight tomorrow?
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> probably I will be here :)
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[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, the GPS arrived _9
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[20:08] <fsphil> ah sweet Lunar_Lander
[20:09] <griffonbot> @BalloonAdvice: Simple latex balloon servo helium vent video: http://t.co/FJLrAuPDKe #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/BalloonAdvice/status/322803780255105025]
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[20:11] <dharnke> if i want to launch, how long before do i have to let Habitat-HabHub to use their Spacenear Map service?
[20:11] <eroomde> depends who is on irc :)
[20:12] <eroomde> make the flight doc and pop into #habhub, ask them to authorise it
[20:12] <eroomde> then you're good to go
[20:18] <dharnke> ok, so if i wanted to launch tomorrow, ill make the flight docs and i can ask them to authorise it straight away?
[20:20] <lz1dev> probably, but best to do it a bit before the launch
[20:20] <lz1dev> just in case
[20:20] <lz1dev> just ask in #habhub to get your flight doc id approved
[20:22] <dharnke> ok thanks
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[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> so when is the flight tomorrow?
[20:35] <fsphil> not sure
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah
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[20:37] <fsphil> saturday morning is as accurate as it gets :)
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[20:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> k;a
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[20:42] <willdude123> Evening.
[20:43] <Upu> evening Will
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[20:53] <willdude123> Upu: What metal is the central plate of the quarter wave antenna ?
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[20:53] <willdude123> Just wondering if it will be difficult to solder to.
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[20:53] <Upu> shouldn't be
[20:54] <Upu> I don't know what its made from but you'll need a powerful iron to get enough heat into it
[20:54] <Upu> its a SO259 panel mount socket
[20:56] <mfa298> if it's attaching cables to the outer part of a so239 it might be easier to solder to a washer and then use a nut and bolt to join the bits together.
[20:57] <Upu> yeah thats not a bad idea
[20:57] <Upu> how many radials have you snapped Will ?
[20:58] <willdude123> All.
[20:58] <willdude123> Except the psares.
[20:58] <Upu> yeah they are fragile when you bend them round like that
[20:59] <willdude123> Well, they are all on there so I migh as well atempt to solder them there.
[20:59] <willdude123> Forgot to put a washer on a few of them,
[20:59] <willdude123> Wait, does that matter much?
[21:01] <mfa298> i think you'd struggle to solder directly onto the so239 it's going to require a lot of heat.
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[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> You will need a minimum of a 50watt iron and 75-100watt won't do any harm!
[21:02] <willdude123> Okay.
[21:02] <Geoff-G8DHE_> And the largest bit you have 5mm or bigger as that holds a reserve of heat as well
[21:03] <willdude123> I'll see how powerful it is.
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> preheat helps
[21:03] <Upu> be aware
[21:03] <mfa298> soldering onto something smaller that you can bolt on would probably be easier (like a washer)
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> heat to 100c first
[21:03] <Upu> the SO259 is a chinese one and the center insulator will probably melt
[21:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yes that can be a problem on cheap sockets :-(
[21:06] Action: SpeedEvil wonders where his gallium is.
[21:06] <willdude123> Upu: I'm having second thoughts now.
[21:07] <Upu> soldering to a washer is a good idea
[21:08] <mfa298> that's the method I use to join the coax to my DIY dipole and it seems to work well (making sure it's done up tightly)
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> just use a bit of copper tape
[21:09] <mfa298> you can also solder onto a wing nut
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> backing the washer
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> steel, or worse, stainless is hideous at ref
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> RF
[21:12] <willdude123> Meh.
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[21:14] <pk-is-not-an-ava> Hi! Is the rtty downlink fm/afsk or ssb/fsk?
[21:15] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ssb/fsk
[21:15] <pk-is-not-an-ava> Thanks. So my ht will not help, gotta get my ssb rig ready.
[21:16] <Upu> Found the guide on the wiki and got dl-fldigi pk-is-not-an-ava ?
[21:16] <Upu> interesting name btw
[21:16] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Yup, the RF frequency changes.
[21:16] <pk-is-not-an-ava> Whats the expected reception radius with a groundplane?
[21:16] <Upu> at altitude ~ 600km +
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[21:17] <pk-is-not-an-ava> Oh, thanks!
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, the GPS arrived _9
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:17] <pk-is-not-an-ava> Good bye, see you tomorrow!
[21:17] <Upu> see you tomorrow :)
[21:18] <Upu> cheers for letting me know Lunar_Lander
[21:18] <Upu> have fun with it
[21:18] <cuddykid> looks like someone put a tardis up there before daveake - this person only lives minutes away from me, anyone know if they hang out on here? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/261431757/tardis-the-edge-of-space-project-ii?ref=live
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> you're welcome
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> as I said there might be another chip GPS order soon xD
[21:18] <Upu> keep 'em coming :)
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:19] <Upu> So yeah
[21:19] <Upu> expect an influx of people on here tomorrow
[21:19] <Upu> there may be alot of sensible questions
[21:19] <Upu> there may be some dumb ones
[21:19] <Upu> if a few of you could answer questions on the batc.tv stream as well I'd appreciate it
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:20] <eroomde> nominate Lunar
[21:20] <Lunar_Lander> did you read that things have changed and I might possibly be here?
[21:20] <Upu> I would but there is a launch on so he won't be here
[21:21] <cuddykid> going to be a busy day!
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[21:21] <cuddykid> good luck Upu
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[21:23] Action: Upu pats Lunar_Lander
[21:23] <HixPad> Heh
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> once again the best moment in german TV
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> http://youtu.be/sNtQkuoDe40?t=9m29s
[21:31] <Upu> cheers cuddykid
[21:32] <arko> 123 people in here now
[21:33] <arko> pretty wild
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:33] <arko> exciting weekend :) launch-o-geddon and there is a very good chance we will recover our hab by saturday
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> and I can tell one detail on the Stormwalker II board
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander> one small detail
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> addon boards
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:35] <bertrik> some of this weekend's balloons will fly over the netherlands, right?
[21:40] <fsphil> should do
[21:40] <fsphil> or very nearly
[21:41] <bertrik> cool, I hope there's someone available at our hackerspace in the hague to help monitor on saturday
[21:41] <jcoxon> evening all
[21:42] <fsphil> howdy jcoxon
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[21:43] <jcoxon> all set for tomorrow then?
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[21:44] <wilsog> yep, just waiting now.
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[21:45] <fsphil> extra monitor setup and all :)
[21:45] <jcoxon> hehe i'm away for the weekend
[21:46] <jcoxon> visiting eroomde
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[21:52] <oh7lzb> 3,334 people saw this post
[21:53] <arko> oh yeah! it's oh7lzb!
[21:53] <arko> that runs aprs.fi
[21:53] <arko> i knew the callsign looked familiara
[21:53] <fsphil> there are 20 people watching the live image page atm
[21:53] <arko> link?
[21:53] <fsphil> http://ssdv.habhub.org
[21:54] <fsphil> you won't like it
[21:54] <arko> aww
[21:54] <arko> no data yet
[21:54] <arko> haha
[21:54] <oh7lzb> Just got back from downtown, went to see Boston Promenade. https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/564311_10201090911458581_1483108350_n.jpg
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[21:57] <arko> looks classy
[21:57] <arko> nice
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[22:04] <daveake> 22 people on the batc feed
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[22:08] <griffonbot> @Daniel_Richman: http://t.co/U0lERvwJtb: State of the art http://t.co/1D7HoAhCHP server monitoring (preparing for a highly publicied launch tomorrow) #ukhas [http://twitter.com/Daniel_Richman/status/322833598556295168]
[22:08] <daveake> :)
[22:09] <fsphil> it takes a lot of work to make something look so simple
[22:10] <Randomskk> hehe
[22:10] <oh7lzb> hah
[22:10] <Randomskk> plenty of detailed stats behind the short answer ;)
[22:10] <DanielRichman> argh, a spelling mistake.
[22:11] <Randomskk> http://randomskk.net/u/habhub_servers_20120412.png :D
[22:11] <daveake> Twitter does that
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> it is funny
[22:11] <griffonbot> @Daniel_Richman: http://t.co/U0lERvwJtb : State of the art http://t.co/1D7HoAhCHP server monitoring (for a highly publicised launch tomorrow) #ukhas [http://twitter.com/Daniel_Richman/status/322834501476704256]
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> you talk in IRC about something you consider important and you tell people you release a small bit of info as a preview
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> and this is quite good, no one listens
[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:12] <mfa298> im sure that sort of monitoring should be a plugin for icinga
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[22:37] <arko> haha
[22:37] <arko> saw the kraken car
[22:37] <arko> 108km/hr i was like damn they are speeding
[22:37] <arko> then realized its not mph
[22:37] <arko> >_<
[22:38] <arko> btw, if HABEX2 is recovered tomorrow night there will be an unboxing around 6:00UTC, i'll livestream it likely
[22:42] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[22:45] <TheKidWhoWantsPi> Hello?
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[22:48] <arko> hi
[22:48] <arko> aw you are gone
[22:48] <mfa298> well he hung around a long time
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[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:52] <N9JCA> just got a note about the balloon launch for Sat @ 5am ( CDT USA ) will this work with an FM Receiver and Xastir Tracking Program?
[22:52] <arko> oh?
[22:53] <arko> launch location?
[22:54] <N9JCA> doesn't say where launch point is but is expected to float easward over Europe
[22:55] <N9JCA> I thought some might be interested, meant to mention it tonight: Dave Akerman is flying a Raspberry Pi under a High Altitude Balloon again tomorrow. This time's a little different however, as the balloon will not be configured to burst, but instead float slowly East over Europe at an altitude of around 30km. Launch is planned for about 11am BST.
[22:55] <daveake> Launch location is secret so we don't have a hoard of RPi fanboys descend on us!
[22:55] <N9JCA> this is from the IVARC Radio Club
[22:55] <daveake> If I say it's "in Cambs" then regulars can have a guess
[22:56] <daveake> ta
[22:56] <daveake> To track you need an SSB receiver and dl-fldigi software
[22:58] <N9JCA> well I have fldigi but not SSB for 440 darn the bad luck:(
[22:58] <fsphil> you'd also need line of sight to the balloon
[22:58] <fsphil> where abouts are you?
[22:59] <mfa298> also not that dl-fldigi is slighlty different to the regular fldigi
[22:59] <N9JCA> 2 weeks a go I was involved with an HAB locally in Indiana USA and the balloon reached 108,000 +/- before bursting
[23:00] <Morseman> I don't think you will hear it in the USA N9JCA ...
[23:00] <daveake> good point :p
[23:01] <daveake> stupid round earth
[23:01] <N9JCA> mayb not but worth a try eh?
[23:01] <Morseman> If the APRS gets digipeated via an iGATE you may be able to see it
[23:01] <daveake> 10mW ... er no I wouldn't bother
[23:01] <fsphil> EEME -- extreme earth-moon-earth
[23:01] <Morseman> Otherwise spacenear.us/tracker is your best bet :)
[23:01] <daveake> or a globaltuner
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[23:04] <N9JCA> is everyone here in UK or world-wide?
[23:04] <Morseman> Mostly Europe with a few statesiders and one or two Aussies
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[23:07] <Morseman> Some of us log in twice - I have this downstairs and G0DJA upstairs in shack
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[23:08] <N9JCA> any one know the Call Sign/Name for the balloon tomorrow
[23:08] <Morseman> If you put spacenear.us/tracker in a browser you will see a list
[23:09] <Morseman> But, here's a grab - LAUNCH-O-GEDDON WEEKEND
[23:09] <Morseman> Saturday 13/04/2013 Cambridge, UK 1000 UTC
[23:09] <Morseman> Live Stream from Launch / SSDV Images
[23:09] <Morseman> AVA 434.450Mhz 7N2 50 baud
[23:09] <Morseman> PI Dual TX 434.068/434.074Mhz 8N1 300 baud
[23:09] <Morseman> XABEN 434.350 7N1 50 baud
[23:09] <Morseman> Regensburg, Germany 0730 UTC
[23:09] <Morseman> PYSY 434.650Mhz 7N2 50 baud
[23:09] <N9JCA> G0DJA I think we have connected with APRS be4
[23:10] <Morseman> BATC stream at http://www.batc.tv/ch_live.php?ch=3&id=1010
[23:10] <Morseman> I did use APRS but was a long time ago now
[23:10] <N9JCA> I run an APRS I-GATE here si it might pop up
[23:11] <lz1dev> N9JCA: most likely M0UPU-10
[23:12] <N9JCA> used to connect with a Staion nr B"ham name was Dave used to connect/chat while I was driving my Lorry across the US samll world
[23:12] <mfa298> or more technically ??/M0UPU-10 where ?? depends on which country its over
[23:13] <mfa298> but APRS will only run some of the time as not all of europe allows use of amateur radio when airborne
[23:14] <arko> http://mysolaralerts.blogspot.com/2013/04/m33-solar-flare-from-sunspot-1718-april.html
[23:14] <arko> heads up
[23:16] <arko> G2 but eh
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[23:21] <Morseman> N9JCA small world, I was born and lived in Birmingham for 20 years but got into APRS much later when I lived in West Yorkshire...
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[23:21] <Morseman> There were a couple of SIDs yesterday arko
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[23:22] <N9JCA> Morseman did you ever make a trip to US about 7/8 years ago and go to the HAM STaion in Evans ville Indiana ?
[23:22] <Morseman> Took my 22.4kHz RX out a couple of times
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[23:24] <Morseman> No, I've been to USA twice - Once for Hamvention in Dayton in 2010 and a year later for a trip to Tampa and the Keys - but no radio with me then
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[23:25] <griffonbot> @daveake: Pi In The Sky box now ready for the flight, just 5 hours before I have to get up to go launch! http://t.co/q2E58YhGLN #UKHAS #Raspberry_Pi [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/322853021090459652]
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[23:25] <N9JCA> wish I could remember the guy's name he has an APRS network IRLP to in/near B"ham
[23:26] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] WASP-1 in the local rag"
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[23:40] <N9JCA> I have just informe the HAB Group from local University they may join in/ watch the websites for tomorrows Launch
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[23:57] <griffonbot> @daveake: RT @Daniel_Richman: http://t.co/U0lERvwJtb : State of the art http://t.co/1D7HoAhCHP server monitoring (for a highly publicised launch t ... [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/322861004205719552]
[23:57] <Maxell> hmm
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