highaltitude.log.20130410

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[01:24] <arko> omg omg
[01:24] <arko> new 15 minute project
[01:24] <arko> http://spritesmods.com/?art=avrfmtx&page=3
[01:24] <arko> totally going to do that right now
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[05:35] <eroomde> morn
[05:48] <Upu> morning
[05:48] <arko> sup erromde
[05:48] <arko> eroomde*
[05:49] <arko> and upu
[05:49] <eroomde> nothing much
[05:49] <eroomde> cycing in today for the first time in many months
[05:49] <eroomde> hence up early to get some filling breakfast
[05:50] <arko> :)
[05:50] <arko> nice
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[05:50] <arko> that sounds nice
[05:50] <eroomde> unsure!
[05:50] <eroomde> will let you know by 9am
[05:50] <arko> i work 2 blocks away and i still drive >_>
[05:51] <arko> haha
[05:51] <arko> did you see the little transmitter?
[05:51] <arko> http://spritesmods.com/?art=avrfmtx&page=3
[05:51] <arko> very fun
[05:52] <eroomde> i get the impresion that if you were to cycle in LA someonewould would run over concerned on your behalf, "Dude, erm, your car seems to have been chopped in half!?"
[05:53] <Upu> haha
[05:54] <arko> lol
[05:57] <arko> it's like, woah
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[06:11] <arko> can't wait to come to eu :)
[06:11] <arko> i've been day dreaming about what to do
[06:11] <eroomde> yus!
[06:11] <eroomde> when?
[06:11] <arko> looks like August 30th
[06:11] <eroomde> a friend I made in SF is going to visit london and oxford soon
[06:11] <arko> till sept 19
[06:12] <arko> thats the window right now
[06:12] <arko> waiting for passport stuff to happen
[06:12] <arko> oh nice!
[06:12] <arko> is he coming to ukhas conference?
[06:12] <eroomde> ok will keep that window frewe
[06:12] <eroomde> she* nope
[06:12] <arko> oh snap
[06:12] <arko> nice
[06:13] <eroomde> I love edaboard
[06:13] <arko> dude, im so visiting your rocket lab
[06:13] <eroomde> so many poor happless non-native-english outsourced designers not having a clue
[06:13] <arko> i want to visit cambridge too
[06:13] <eroomde> yes, you shall visit
[06:13] <arko> meet up with jon
[06:13] <arko> aww yiss
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[06:34] <arko> man im tired
[06:34] <arko> fustrated with arduino22, forgot how crappy arduino's ide is
[06:35] <arko> if this wasnt for the public, i wouldn't use it
[06:38] <eroomde> a bit like a politician on public transport
[06:38] <arko> haha
[06:45] <arko> eroomde: how's the pressure board?
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[09:11] <HixWork> Gotta love Farnell's overzealous SMD packaging, box 300x200x150mm for a few smd bits :)
[09:14] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder. it would be sensible to do trials. do people getting bigger boxes tend to reorder more than people getting envelopes with the same stuff
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> other stupid nudges work.
[09:15] <SpeedEvil> for example, handwriting a note on the outside of the envelope makes people much more likely to pay tax prompt lay
[09:19] <HixWork> Free pre-print edition of O'Reilly Graph Databases book http://info.neotechnology.com/rs/neotechnology/images/GraphDatabases_EarlyRelease.pdf
[09:21] <eroomde> arko: it is the prettiest thing on my desk currently
[09:28] <eroomde> i cycled the 23 miles to work just now
[09:28] <eroomde> i am not fit
[09:28] <eroomde> it's quite far for the first cycle in about a year
[09:29] <eroomde> it's going to hurt a bit going home
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[09:36] <fsphil> I foolishly bought a bike on friday
[09:37] <eroomde> it's a rational thing in the longer run
[09:37] <fsphil> hope so
[09:37] <eroomde> just gotta force the intial few weeks until legs start to get used to it
[09:37] <fsphil> I've not got it yet, but planning on cycling to work and back on sunday as a practice run
[09:37] <eroomde> pain and suffering for the greater good
[09:37] <eroomde> like using vim for the first time
[09:38] <fsphil> I hated vim
[09:38] <fsphil> but it was the only thing on my machine for ages
[09:38] <fsphil> then I found nano, and liked it
[09:38] <fsphil> but quickly found I missed vim
[09:38] <fsphil> now I tolerate vim
[09:39] <mfa298> I started off on pico (similar to nano) but never got on with it as it did weird things with line wrapping.
[09:40] <mfa298> although at one point I had to use micro emacs for email and that was weird
[09:40] <jonsowman> 7 [ 0.0%]
[09:40] <jonsowman> 8 [ 0.0%]
[09:40] <jonsowman> oops
[09:40] <jonsowman> sorry
[09:40] <eroomde> htop showoff?
[09:40] <fsphil> my amiga came with a version of emacs
[09:40] <fsphil> it was horrible
[09:40] <jonsowman> this is what i meant to paste
[09:40] <jonsowman> http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/vim-koans/
[09:41] <lz1dev> haha
[09:42] <fsphil> haha, master Wq
[09:44] <jonsowman> i liked "no greatest tool"
[09:47] <jonsowman> "Come back when you have mastered emacs"
[09:47] <eroomde> jonsowman: this is verbatim transcription of what happened yesterday as iain and i were porting some matlab to python
[09:47] <eroomde> i was half teaching iain python
[09:47] <eroomde> he was manually entering spaces for indentation in gedit
[09:47] <eroomde> and then said 'Is there a better-",
[09:47] <eroomde> "VIM"
[09:47] <jonsowman> haha
[09:47] <eroomde> "... text editor?"
[09:48] <mfa298> although there is one thing that suggests vim has got too advanced http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[09:48] <jonsowman> i don't think he has much choice if he's working with you eroomde
[09:48] <jonsowman> :p
[09:48] <eroomde> or james
[09:48] <jonsowman> hah
[09:48] <lz1dev> i find myself, trying to use vim on all sort of places on winodws
[09:48] <jonsowman> it is the best
[09:48] <jonsowman> no doubt
[09:48] <lz1dev> each time i get sad :(
[09:48] <fsphil> can emacs run vim yet?
[09:49] <eroomde> i don;t want my text editor to run IRC
[09:49] <eroomde> i would get nothing done
[09:50] <fsphil> it would be a flaw
[09:50] <jonsowman> hah
[09:50] <jonsowman> yes
[09:50] <jonsowman> i don't think that'd help productivity
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[09:55] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Altitude control with valve"
[09:55] <fsphil> eroomde: cycling. gloves worth it? they seem like a good idea
[09:55] <eroomde> TOTALLY
[09:55] <eroomde> happiness on a bike is very strongly a function of the temperature of your extremities
[09:56] <HixWork> not just that, shock absorbtion too, they make a difference
[09:56] <HixWork> and for road bikes, bar tape too
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[10:10] <eroomde> yes
[10:10] <eroomde> i have two sets of gloves, one for actual cold and the other just for comfort
[10:10] <eroomde> they're a bit like weightlifting gloves
[10:10] <eroomde> padded and fingerless
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[10:14] <SpeedEvil> glove liners can make a big difference too
[10:14] <HixWork> two interesting articles on beeb
[10:14] <HixWork> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22079052
[10:14] <HixWork> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22079592
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[10:16] <Babs> Sailing gloves are an effective operation too, and last for ages
[10:16] <eroomde> HixWork: yes, i did a bit of the work on the parqchute system for those javelins
[10:17] <eroomde> the chap from BAS cycled to EARS one day saying 'i'm looking for someone who knows about parachutes'
[10:17] <HixWork> nice, looks interesting
[10:17] <HixWork> I'd love a gig withthe BAS
[10:18] <fsphil> is everyone cycling these days?
[10:18] <HixWork> the aerogel looks immense too - so many applications if it can be produced
[10:18] <HixWork> only in decent weather fsphil
[10:18] <eroomde> i think BAS is shiner on the outside than on the in
[10:18] <eroomde> but i would take anything to spend a couple of months down there
[10:19] <HixWork> that's my point, not the work, the location
[10:19] <HixWork> with a D4 and lots of memory cards preferably
[10:21] <Babs> The "classic" aerogel is a far nicer looking substance than the chinese aerogel, which IMHO looks more like a burnt muffin. The chinese are good on functionality, bad on aesthetics.
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[10:23] <Brace> fsphil: only up hills
[10:23] <Brace> roads scare me too much
[10:24] <fsphil> it's all down hill to where I work, apart from a bridge at the end
[10:24] <fsphil> the cycle home will be the tricky bit
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[10:25] <x-f> i've seen your roads from the chase live streams - they are so narrow!
[10:25] <eroomde> i kind of prefer it the other way round
[10:25] <eroomde> i loose altitude on the way home
[10:25] <eroomde> which is a bit easier
[10:25] <x-f> what's the height difference, fsphil?
[10:27] <fsphil> about 150m
[10:27] <fsphil> no, bit less. 110m maybe
[10:27] <x-f> quite
[10:28] <Babs> My daily bike commute has a peak to trough altitude difference of 5m. I think I would get a nosebleed at 110m.
[10:29] <eroomde> that's quite nice
[10:30] <eroomde> i think mine is about 150m
[10:30] <eroomde> but it's spread over 20 miles
[10:30] <x-f> when i cycle home, i have a total of 100 m climb (stretched over 55 km..)
[10:30] <eroomde> i avoid the hilly route northeast out of oxford through Brill and places
[10:30] <eroomde> and do a dog leg up to bicester and the A41
[10:30] <eroomde> avoid the worst of the hills
[10:30] <costyn> x-f: you cycle 55km home?
[10:30] <eroomde> although it adds a few miles
[10:31] <x-f> costyn, on summer and not every day
[10:31] <costyn> x-f: ah ok.. because that's some serious distance :) I assume you do it on a racebike?
[10:31] <Babs> eroomde - alongside a river. Downside: quite windy
[10:32] <eroomde> mmm. I get the headwind on the way home
[10:32] <eroomde> but it's 150m lower
[10:32] <eroomde> so much for much
[10:33] <x-f> costyn, yes, a roadbike, but i know a girl who does that distance twice a day sometimes
[10:33] <costyn> omg
[10:33] <eroomde> 55km is more than i'd be willing to do as a commute!
[10:34] <eroomde> unless i was a serious road cyclist using it as an excuse to train
[10:34] <eroomde> (of which there is little prospect)
[10:37] <HixWork> I'm not in a particularly hilly part of the world but am at the bottom of a river valley, exiting hurts before you've warmed up
[10:37] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/RD2wH
[10:37] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/gwQn8
[10:37] <fsphil> I saw people cycling up the local mountain here, 400m
[10:37] <fsphil> not gonna attempt that for a while
[10:39] <x-f> the hardest mountainbike race i've had, had only a bit more than a 300m climb..
[10:39] <x-f> i'd love to do mountainbiking in.. er.. mountains someday
[10:39] <x-f> Einstein cycled and said good things about this activity
[10:41] <Brace> it's pretty hard to cycle up actual mountains
[10:41] <Brace> I've seen a few folks manage it, but they carry their bike quite a bit
[10:43] <Brace> I normally go to places like Afan and Cwmcarn, lots of mountain biking, but it's not up mountains
[10:43] <gonzo_> bikes are ok, but only when they come with big arsed engines
[10:44] <costyn> HixWork: that 2nd BBC article with the metal lattice sitting on the dandelion...what the heck?
[10:45] <costyn> ah found it http://www.caltech.edu/content/light-feather-stiffer-board
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[10:49] <HixWork> pretty cool isnt it costyn?
[10:51] <costyn> HixWork: absolutely fascinating yes :)
[10:51] <costyn> HixWork: I'd love to play with this stuff
[11:00] <cuddykid> interesting - predictions have got slightly better for a friday flight
[11:02] <eroomde> fsphil: I'd like to build a thing at work that takes a photo of our wqhiteboard and sticks it on the network drive when we hit a button. i can do all of that no problem except i am not sure about options for cameras connected over usb and telling them to take a photo and getting a jpeg back
[11:02] <eroomde> but i know you know about that
[11:02] <eroomde> i'd like reasonably high res so not really a vga webcam. do you know of any libraries that, say, can talk directly to a decent digital camera over usb?
[11:03] <jonsowman> gphoto2
[11:04] <eroomde> Perfect!
[11:04] <eroomde> thank ye
[11:04] <jonsowman> :)
[11:05] <eroomde> gosh, this makes the whole thing a roughly 4 line bash script
[11:05] <jonsowman> --capture-image-and-download
[11:05] <jonsowman> yeah it's good
[11:06] <fsphil> or the logitech webcams are pretty good
[11:07] <fsphil> I've got a couple of Logitech Pro 9000 cameras and they've got nice resolution
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[11:19] <HixWork> Hammond enclosure about to be machined as a private at work for birdcam :)
[11:20] <fsphil> nice! I just used wood
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[11:35] <cuddykid> anyone know of an open source app for android for HAB - something along the lines of capturing photos/videos + sensor data?
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[11:37] <jonsowman> cuddykid: https://github.com/cuspaceflight/
[11:37] <jonsowman> check out the Squirrel-* repo
[11:37] <jonsowman> *repos
[11:38] <cuddykid> ah cheers - thought cusf had done something similar in the past :)
[11:38] <cuddykid> good old java
[11:38] <jonsowman> that's one way of describing it
[11:39] <daveake> 2 out of 3 ain't bad
[11:42] <jonsowman> yep
[11:43] <cuddykid> looks like squirrel captured some good shots
[11:44] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/bMAWl3T.jpg
[11:44] <Darkside> woo
[11:44] <cuddykid> I guess a decent phone nowadays would capture better shots than thte A570
[11:45] <cuddykid> nice
[11:45] <Darkside> just waiting on the gps antennas from Upu
[11:48] <jonsowman> cuddykid: yeah
[11:48] <HixWork> fsphil, http://i.imgur.com/6rH4RSo.png
[11:49] <HixWork> even looks like work as they use hammond enclosures for a lot of control stuff
[11:50] <jonsowman> i do like hammond enclosured
[11:50] <jonsowman> *s
[11:50] <HixWork> just need to make it IP rated [with silicon]
[11:50] <HixWork> hopefully before the robins move into the tree
[11:51] <jonsowman> IP ratings can always be increased by the cunning use of hot glue and gaffa tape
[11:51] <HixWork> yep :)
[11:51] <HixWork> it may become BadgerCam too as a friend has a set near him
[11:52] <jonsowman> :D
[11:52] <HixWork> low light capability from the CMOs seems pretty darn good
[11:55] <HixWork> @balloon advice posted this link on thermal engineering, pretty useful for HAB
[11:55] <HixWork> http://www.tak2000.com/ThermalConnection.htm
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[12:00] <fsphil> nice one HixWork
[12:00] <HixWork> nps, meeting bbl
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[12:05] <UpuWork> AVA recovered :) http://i.imgur.com/ms3i79k.jpg
[12:05] <craag> :)
[12:06] <fsphil> balls
[12:06] <UpuWork> 5 radio sonde parachutes as well
[12:06] <UpuWork> and radiosonde neck fillers
[12:06] <Darkside> nice
[12:07] <Babs> Excellent. Presume by the radio call sign he was tracking and looked for it rather than stumbling upon it?
[12:08] <fsphil> yea
[12:08] <UpuWork> oh he knew where it was I think he's Frances No1 sonde finder
[12:08] <UpuWork> 80 recovered in 3 years
[12:08] <jonsowman> :o
[12:09] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: AVA recovered by @F5APQ http://t.co/NBg0RLQVMy Many thanks Jacques ! #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/321957999914663936]
[12:09] <UpuWork> suppose I should have obscured his address never mind
[12:10] <Babs> 80?!? He's like the Inspector Morse of balloons
[12:10] <craag> UpuWork: A google search for his callsign brings up a scanned identical card with address, so I don't think you need to worry.
[12:10] <jonsowman> Babs: inspector RTTY you mean :X
[12:11] <craag> In fact it's his public QRZ image.
[12:11] <Babs> jonsowman - now that was good.
[12:11] <jonsowman> lol
[12:11] <jonsowman> i think you may be in a minority with that opinion
[12:12] <fsphil> Inspector Morse surely
[12:13] <Babs> Fact of the day: The beeping at the start of the theme tune to Inspector Morse often was morse code telling you who was the murderer. Although I accept that this is *slightly* off topic for the forum
[12:13] <jonsowman> I'm glad I don't know morse
[12:13] <jonsowman> or you'd've completely ruined my boxset
[12:16] <daveake> rtty did it
[12:16] <jonsowman> pretty sure it was Olivia
[12:16] <daveake> Expect a new series "Inspector Rtty" any time soon
[12:18] <jonsowman> full of shift-y 2-bit characters
[12:19] <jonsowman> you'll be anything but baud
[12:19] <fsphil> please stop bit
[12:19] <Babs> It would be awesome if they got Vic and Bob to do it, with everyone speaking normally apart from the Inspector who only spoke in beeps whilst wearing a t-shirt saying "50 baud".
[12:20] <daveake> I was going to star in this new series but I decided I'm not a telly type
[12:21] <Babs> Running score total: daveake: 2, jonsowman: 2, fsphil: 1
[12:21] <fsphil> you'll miss out on the excellent end of series parity
[12:21] <Darkside> you guys are terrible
[12:22] <daveake> The name's Space. Mark Space.
[12:23] <fsphil> I didn't ASCII
[12:23] <daveake> It'll be full of dodgy characters
[12:23] <UpuWork> I'm baudot of this
[12:24] <fsphil> this is only the start bit
[12:24] <eroomde> i thought the morse at the beginning of morse was just 'morse'
[12:24] <craag> You should all stop stop
[12:24] <Darkside> you mean: stop st
[12:25] <Babs> eroomde: http://xenaandherculesuniverse.yuku.com/topic/5529/Opening-Morse-Codes-on-JERICHO#.UWVaIJOyCHQ
[12:25] <x-f> OOK, it's funny
[12:29] <Darkside> FSK you
[12:39] <eroomde> my eyes are opened
[12:41] <fsphil> you have been enlightened?
[12:42] <jonsowman> Master Wq will be pleased
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[13:17] <eroomde> master Wq is being firm but fair with iain
[13:17] <eroomde> "no, put all those semicolons back and instead of deleting them manually we'll do it with grep"
[13:17] <eroomde> again
[13:17] <eroomde> wax on, wax off
[13:17] Nick change: MichaelC -> MichaelC|Away
[13:19] <jonsowman> lol
[13:19] <jonsowman> poor iain
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[13:30] <HixWork_> Really? have i?
[13:31] <jonsowman> you have
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[13:35] <HixWork_> hmm, i best rejoin then
[13:35] <jonsowman> just /nick
[13:35] Nick change: HixWork_ -> HixWork
[13:35] <jonsowman> are you registered with nickserv?
[13:36] <HixWork> not for HixWork just Hix
[13:36] <jonsowman> ok
[13:37] <HixWork> I'll register HixWork and set this one to auto sign
[13:39] <jonsowman> may as well :)
[13:39] <jonsowman> then you can /ns ghost when that ^ happens
[13:40] <HixWork> done!
[13:40] <jonsowman> :)
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[13:41] <jonsowman> alternatively just run something like irssi on a server somewhere and login from where you are
[13:41] <jonsowman> a lot of people (inc me) do that
[13:42] <HixWork> hmm, I'd google it but pretty much sure it'll be banned on stupid work system
[13:42] <HixWork> Royal Horticultural Society is ?!?
[13:42] <HixWork> suppose they dont want me growing food at work :)
[13:43] <jonsowman> haha
[13:43] <HixWork> oh, weird irssi isn't
[13:43] <jonsowman> have a look when you're home, it's a neat solution
[13:43] <HixWork> what a great control system they have
[13:43] <HixWork> work that is
[13:43] <jonsowman> haha
[13:43] <HixWork> he says chatting on irc
[13:44] <HixWork> but not being able to view RHS
[13:44] <jonsowman> has advantages like you're always idling in the channel, so i get emails when i get mentions/privmsg when I'm away etc
[13:44] <HixWork> ahh, useful, i just search log
[13:44] <fsphil> they want to make sure the only vegetables there are in management
[13:44] <HixWork> guess that's how !summon works
[13:44] <jonsowman> lol !summon
[13:44] <fsphil> careful with that
[13:44] <fsphil> or the Doctor will see you
[13:44] <HixWork> heh
[13:44] <jonsowman> it only summons that person if they're registered with the bot
[13:44] <jonsowman> otherwise it emails james
[13:45] <HixWork> i was last week
[13:45] <jonsowman> who inevitably turns up a bit later going "ffs guys"
[13:45] <HixWork> amusing
[13:45] <HixWork> especially when eroomde decided to play
[13:46] <fsphil> well he's perfectly capiable of changing the script to ignore unregistered users :)
[13:46] <jonsowman> he is
[13:46] <fsphil> -i
[13:47] <Randomskk> eroomde: remap ; to :!
[13:47] <Randomskk> so much happier fingers
[13:47] <Randomskk> also capslock to escape
[13:51] <fsphil> the bot never forgets
[13:51] <jonsowman> apart from when it forgets to answer people
[13:51] <jonsowman> which I'm certain is mostly me
[13:52] <jonsowman> it's held a grudge ever since I kicked it that one time, years ago
[13:52] <fsphil> haha
[13:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement Saturday 13/04/13"
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[13:57] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement Saturday 13/04/13"
[13:58] <eroomde> Randomskk: i have had that for years
[13:58] <fsphil> the fleet is nearly ready
[13:58] <eroomde> and escape to jj
[13:59] <Randomskk> fair enough :P
[14:01] <daveake> Steve may be inva... launching too
[14:01] <daveake> Dunno what he's considering flying
[14:05] <HixWork> Is Elsworth Steve's site
[14:05] <daveake> yep
[14:06] <HixWork> Is that the one with the hangar for filling?
[14:06] <daveake> nope
[14:06] <UpuWork> there is a field :)
[14:06] <HixWork> ohpe :)
[14:09] <eroomde> james coxon's house has a barn outbuilding
[14:09] <eroomde> well, his parents' house
[14:10] <eroomde> Elsworth is where the East Anglian Rocketry Society launch on the first sunday of each month
[14:10] <HixWork> the filling shed
[14:10] <eroomde> for whom steve used to be on the committee
[14:10] <HixWork> ah EARS, knew i knew of it from somewhere
[14:10] <daveake> Usually they hear of you
[14:11] <HixWork> heh
[14:11] <HixWork> or for you
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[16:23] <arko> morning
[16:23] <fsphil> close enough
[16:23] <fsphil> morning!
[16:23] <arko> hehe
[16:27] <mfa298> alternativly: moaning
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[16:34] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] PYSY-4 Launch Announcement 13.4.2013"
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[16:49] <willdude123> Hi.
[16:55] <arko> helloo
[16:57] <Upu> evening
[16:57] <Maxell> oh hai
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[17:00] <arko> this has to be one of the beautiful mornings in a long time
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> howdy
[17:00] <arko> not a cloud in the sky, perfect 20C, birds chiping outside
[17:00] <arko> and im stuck indoors coding :/
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> not been to bad here either today
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> arko how did the hike out for payload recovery go?
[17:02] <arko> this friday - sat
[17:02] <arko> we get to find out by sunday :)
[17:02] <arko> if i go crazy and write in bold, you will know
[17:02] <chrisstubbs> ah cooool :)
[17:07] <cuddykid> brought the hexacopter back to life :) few new wires, new arm, new props, new legs and it's almost ready to be broken again!
[17:08] <arko> hah
[17:08] <arko> nice, that reminds me, i should fly mine this weekend
[17:10] <cuddykid> need to upgrade the firmware on the mediatek gps module
[17:10] <cuddykid> no more auto flights at ridiculous heights for a while :P
[17:11] <Upu> cuddykid PCB's are in transit
[17:11] <cuddykid> excellent Upu :)
[17:11] <cuddykid> expecting payment any day now for all these components and then I'll get them on order
[17:11] <Upu> rgr
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[17:38] <fsphil> more launches on saturday
[17:38] <arko> woot
[17:39] <arko> flying again Upu?
[17:39] <fsphil> I feel like I need to launch something too
[17:39] <arko> heh same here
[17:39] <arko> almost obligated now
[17:39] <arko> lag all the things
[17:41] <willdude123> Why are windows VPSs so expensive?
[17:41] <willdude123> SO annoying.
[17:41] <lz1dev> because they are windows
[17:41] <willdude123> *So
[17:41] <mfa298> probably down to the licensing for windows, it's not cheap
[17:42] <willdude123> I need to collaborate with someone using visual studio and I don't think it supprots git.
[17:42] <Upu> Saturday arko
[17:42] <arko> nice
[17:42] <Randomskk> willdude123: visual studio can actually support git
[17:42] <mfa298> willdude123: I think some versions of Visual Studio have some other from of code control
[17:43] <mattbrejza> you can use git externally to the visual studio ide
[17:48] <willdude123> Oh yeah.
[17:51] <fsphil> I think future versions will support git a bit better from what I've read
[17:52] <lz1dev> any date set for that future?
[17:52] <fsphil> doomsday
[17:53] <lz1dev> not excatly ideal
[17:53] <fsphil> http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/abafc7d6-dcaa-40f4-8a5e-d6724bdb980c
[17:53] <fsphil> preview
[17:55] <HixPad> Sure there's an extension for git
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[17:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:56] <HixPad> visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/abafc7d6-dcaa-40f4-8a5e-d6724bdb980c
[17:56] <HixPad> Ah pants pistol phil again
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[17:56] <fsphil> say what now?
[17:57] <HixPad> Link duplication by me
[17:57] <fsphil> lol
[17:57] <fsphil> I do like git
[17:57] <HixPad> Not used it yet, on the todo
[18:02] <mfa298> I keep meaning to start playing with git. Hopefully I'll do better with it than svn.
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[18:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[18:17] <RocketBoy> hi
[18:19] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[18:21] <RocketBoy> fine - mostly getting everything strieght from the last 3 flights.
[18:25] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
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[18:35] <willdmob> Hey. Anyone see Steve's dainty hop on channel4
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[18:38] <cuddykid> repaired the hex successfully :D
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[18:38] <Lunar_Lander> the hex?
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> hello all
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:39] <Lunar_Lander> how is the life?
[18:39] <fsphil> yea he's mastered black magic
[18:39] <fsphil> so be nice to him
[18:39] <fsphil> howdy Dan-K2VOL
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> it's well Lunar_Lander
[18:39] <Dan-K2VOL> yours?
[18:40] <Dan-K2VOL> hi fsphil
[18:40] <willdude123> How are the PIE5 predictions looking?
[18:40] <fsphil> tasty
[18:40] <Lunar_Lander> mine is OK too, thanks
[18:40] <mfa298> does that help with recovering balloons (do they need to be black for black magic to work?)
[18:40] <Dan-K2VOL> anyone in Texas, USA around here today?
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[18:43] <fsphil> MrCraig is in Texas at the moment, but doesn't come in channel too often
[18:47] <Dan-K2VOL> cool thanks fsphil
[18:47] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm writing up an article on the UAV 'privacy' law that is being passed in Texas right now
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[18:48] <Lunar_Lander> what does it say?
[18:49] <Dan-K2VOL> it criminalizes an enormous amount of activities, including any weather balloons or rockets that have cameras, temperature sensors, radio receivers, radiation detectors or chemical sensors
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[18:49] <Dan-K2VOL> here is the text: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/83R/billtext/html/HB00912I.htm
[18:51] <fsphil> I've heard about that
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> If it passes, SpaceX's next grasshopper flight would be liable for a lot of fines if it records or transmits any information at all about any private propery
[18:52] <fsphil> it's seems a rather silly law
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> for example
[18:52] <Dan-K2VOL> it quite is, and it needs to not succeed to become an actual law
[18:53] <mattbrejza> so no more google earth?
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[18:54] <arko> well bitcoins tanked
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[18:54] <arko> that was fun
[18:59] <craag> oh wow in the last few hours..
[19:00] <arko> yeah
[19:00] <arko> http://bitcoinity.org/markets?exchange=mtgox
[19:00] <mfa298> that is quite a drop, although I hadn't realised they had got that high
[19:00] <arko> yeah last night we were opening champagen and now we are sweaping streets
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[19:01] <arko> it's fine
[19:01] <arko> they got ddos'd
[19:01] <arko> it will rise again
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[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[19:13] <Lunar_Lander> Farnell said my HIH-6121 were shipped!!!
[19:24] Nick change: jol02 -> jolo2
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[19:35] <eroomde> My new Brooks sadle has done things I can barely put into words
[19:36] <eroomde> i cant even lie on a bed without being in massive pain, let along my kitchen chairs
[19:36] <Upu> leather one ?
[19:38] <Lunar_Lander> what has happened?
[19:38] <Upu> Ed has a sore bum Lunar
[19:39] <eroomde> every time i venture into anything approaching hipsterdom it smacks me in the face
[19:39] <eroomde> i should learn
[19:40] <Upu> lol
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[19:40] <eroomde> Upu: feyman gotted. tyvm!
[19:40] <Upu> nps
[19:40] <Upu> enjoy
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> does anyone of you have experience in running two 1-wire devices at once?
[19:45] <eroomde> nein
[19:45] <eroomde> but they're adressable right?
[19:46] <bertrik> I once connected an ibutton and a ds18b20 on the same 1-wire bus
[19:46] <bertrik> worked fine
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[19:46] <bertrik> on an arduino
[19:47] <fsphil> it's no more complicated than running a single device
[19:47] <Randomskk> fsphil: except you need to actually do addressing or whatever, right?
[19:47] <Randomskk> I always just broadcast with ds18b20
[19:48] <bertrik> The arduino 1-wire lib has a discovery routine to find all devices on the bus
[19:48] <bertrik> IIRC, you can tell the device class from 1 of the bytes in the unique address
[19:48] <fsphil> yea. the discovery routing is really neat
[19:48] <fsphil> routine*
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[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> because the BMP085 and HIH-6121 have the same I2C system but different adresses
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[19:53] <fsphil> that's not 1-wire
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> ?
[19:56] <fsphil> I2C and 1-wire are totally different
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> well I mean the protocol with SDA and SCL
[19:57] <eroomde> i2c
[19:57] <eroomde> or twi it's sometimes called
[19:58] <eroomde> the clue that it's not 1-wire is that there are 2 wires
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> that is clear
[19:59] <bertrik> "X-wire" protocols usually actually need (x+1) wires :)
[20:00] <eroomde> gnd doesnt count
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> well so the arduino or the AVR has to call the two devices and operate with them
[20:03] <fsphil> I don't remember if I2C has a discovery system, you just have to know the address
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> for the BMP085 you actually had to write that adress into the code
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[20:09] <eroomde> i guess you could make a true 1-wire thing
[20:10] <eroomde> litralah only one wire
[20:10] <fsphil> wondering about that
[20:10] <eroomde> with modulated rf and some way of harvesting it, a bit like passive rfid
[20:10] <eroomde> you could, that way, embed sensors just in random bits of metal chassis maybe
[20:10] <fsphil> AC, diode and a cap?
[20:10] <eroomde> without having to run separate cables to them
[20:11] <eroomde> yeah, something like that
[20:12] <KT5TK_QRL> Then I wonder why you need one wire at all?
[20:13] <fsphil> lower losses
[20:14] <eroomde> indeed
[20:14] <eroomde> just some conductive medium
[20:14] <eroomde> like a chassis
[20:14] <KT5TK_QRL> Hmm, not sure about lower losses. Is there a physical reason for that?
[20:14] <eroomde> you could just plonk strain guages on a steel bridge in random spots
[20:15] <eroomde> KT5TK_QRL: sure - metal has a lower resistence
[20:15] <bertrik> use the line to power a sensor in a balloon and feed back some measurement to the payload box?
[20:15] <eroomde> and it's a bit easier to direct the energy
[20:16] <eroomde> bertrik: def
[20:17] <bertrik> like measuring inner and outer pressure of the balloon at the same time
[20:17] <willdude123> Anyone know who Mike Hunt is?
[20:18] <eroomde> willdude123: i think you're either trolling or are being trolled
[20:18] Action: fsphil refrains
[20:18] <Upu> yeah
[20:18] <willdude123> Oh.
[20:18] <willdude123> I see.
[20:19] <eroomde> good :)
[20:19] <willdude123> I get that now.
[20:19] <willdude123> Just got a comment from someone alleging to be Mike Hunt
[20:19] <fsphil> Joe King probably set you up
[20:19] <KT5TK_QRL> eroomde: not necessarily for RF
[20:19] <fsphil> he's always doing that
[20:19] <willdude123> fsphil: I have a friend called Joe King.
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[20:20] <eroomde> KT5TK_QRL: sure, it's very application dependant. but for what i had in mind, i'd rather use wire
[20:20] <willdude123> Who would even know where my blog is?
[20:20] <willdude123> Except from people on the channel.
[20:20] <fsphil> is it on the internet?
[20:21] <Upu> I suggest you install Recapta Pluging
[20:21] <Upu> or you'll just get spam
[20:21] <Upu> Recaptcha Plugin
[20:21] <eroomde> there are loads of bots that will just plaster that kind of thing everywhere
[20:22] <willdude123> fsphil: Yeah, but nothing links to it.
[20:22] <chrisstubbs> kraken is making some interesting patterns
[20:22] <mfa298> most of the bots just try random ip addresses
[20:22] <willdude123> Upu: I will do, will prevent Mike Hunt from appearing.
[20:23] <eroomde> for all of our benefits let us hope so
[20:24] <mfa298> hopefully when IPv6 takes over the bot's will find it a bit harder to just probe random addresses, won't stop them trying various domain names
[20:26] <willdude123> Mike Hunt is a bit of an idiot.
[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> who in the world is that guy?
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[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> let's rather say it is sad that the medical pioneer of artificial life starting has died
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> what is his name
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> Edward
[20:29] <eroomde> Moore
[20:29] <arko> the second
[20:29] <eroomde> there can be only one
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> no
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> Robert Edwards
[20:29] <Upu> ping mclane
[20:30] <arko> HIGHLANDER
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:30] <eroomde> oh, the pioneer of IVF
[20:31] <eroomde> i would have liked to be conceived via IVF
[20:31] <eroomde> can't beat a womb with a view
[20:31] <Upu> sadly I did lol slightly at that
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[20:36] <fsphil> I've discovered a flaw with hot chocolate. it's hot
[20:37] <arko> wow, the uk is just a bunch of small towns, you guys have so many fields!
[20:37] <arko> fsphil: i'll get my top scientists to confirm this discovery
[20:37] <number10> the fields are very small
[20:37] <eroomde> green and pleasent lands
[20:37] <arko> so cool
[20:38] <fsphil> sadly they'll be bulldozed soon, to make way for shopping centers
[20:38] <arko> walmarts!
[20:39] <number10> the cities are slightly bigger - but there is nothing like the sprawl of LA
[20:39] <arko> LA is just city and suburb
[20:39] <arko> but no fields
[20:39] <arko> its sad
[20:40] <fsphil> london has quite a few parks
[20:40] <mattbrejza> we also have these things that run on two metal I shaped beams so you dont have to stay trapped stationary in a little metal box
[20:40] <fsphil> there's more open land there than in my town
[20:40] <mattbrejza> useful for getting between these towns
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[20:41] <number10> arko - can you tell me if ralphs have the same advert from the 80s on TV "switch and save more than a buck a bag at ralphs"
[20:41] <mattbrejza> had you no idea what a train was that would have been a terrible description :/
[20:41] <mclane> Hi upu
[20:41] <arko> i dont think i've seen a ralphs commerical since the 90's
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[20:41] <arko> vons as well
[20:41] <Upu> hey mclane
[20:41] <arko> from the US number10?
[20:41] <Upu> is your payload call sign on Sat PYSY ?
[20:41] <mclane> yes
[20:42] <number10> ok - it was just something that stuck in my head at the time arko ... worked there for a while
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[20:42] <arko> hah nice
[20:42] <mclane> any probs with that upu?
[20:42] <Upu> nope
[20:42] <Upu> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:43] <Upu> just sorting out the launches for Sat
[20:43] <mclane> ah nice thanks
[20:43] <number10> I think I may launch a Pico - any spare trackers?
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[20:44] <mclane> just a small correction: the name of the town is Regensburg, not Resensburg
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> hey mclane
[20:44] <mclane> Hi Lunar_Lander
[20:44] <Upu> sorry
[20:44] <mclane> no problem ;-)
[20:45] <Upu> fixed
[20:45] <mclane> perfect!
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[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> mclane, I am excited to try out the HIH-6121 humidity sensors
[20:54] <Lunar_Lander> which farnell finally shipped
[20:55] <mattbrejza_> mclane: do you intend to use the android app to track?
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[21:08] <eroomde> http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files-dk/node-images/471/471873-fartkontrol.jpg
[21:08] <eroomde> the end
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[21:13] <arko> woohoo!!
[21:13] <arko> NASA budget for this next year 2014 looks great fro JPL
[21:14] <arko> for*
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[21:16] <arko> if they actually approve the darn budget
[21:16] <mclane> mattbrejza: no, still not working
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[21:17] <mattbrejza> did you try switching from lsb->msb (or msb->lsb)?
[21:17] <mattbrejza> probably a bit late to play around if youre launching on the weeked
[21:17] <mclane> yes, I tried that without success
[21:18] <mattbrejza> odd, it worked fine for me
[21:18] <mattbrejza> also you sure you have the latest version?
[21:18] <mclane> I will try to build a voltage divider to reduce input volume
[21:19] <mclane> maybe that is the issue?
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[21:19] <mclane> I have the latest version
[21:19] <mattbrejza> does the waterfall have lots of red on it?
[21:20] <mattbrejza> reducing the radio volume also has the same effect
[21:20] <mclane> no
[21:20] <mclane> radio volume is at minimum
[21:22] <mattbrejza> weird
[21:22] <mattbrejza> you could try http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mfb2g09/decoder/decoder.jar
[21:23] <mattbrejza> is the same decoder but as a desktop version
[21:23] <mattbrejza> (its a bit on the beta side)
[21:23] <mattbrejza> but you should be able to see decodes
[21:27] <mclane> no decodes
[21:28] <mclane> however, my signal is 7N2
[21:28] <mclane> decoder says /n1
[21:28] <mclane> 7n1
[21:29] <mclane> and KKKKKQ"Qb should be $$$$$PYSY
[21:30] <mattbrejza> it says 7n1 until it thinks otherwise, but itll still decode
[21:31] <mclane> yea, however, it decodes $$$$$PYSY to KKKKKQ"Qb
[21:32] <mattbrejza> on the recording i have thats reversed it decodes as KKKKKKQ"Q too
[21:32] <mattbrejza> its probably still reversed
[21:32] <mattbrejza> i could add a Rv button to the app but i didnt want to overload it with options
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[21:34] <mclane> ah, now I get decodes: switched to USB and detuned
[21:35] <mclane> however that is very strange
[21:35] <mclane> since I get perfect decodes with LSB in dl-fldigi without switching to rv
[21:35] <mclane> will get my phone to try again
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[21:36] <fsphil> in fldigi if you've selected 'RTTY' mode, it's the same as LSB
[21:36] <mattbrejza> oh yea, fldigi is a bit odd, switching to LSB invokes Rv without telling you
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[21:36] <mattbrejza> so there are in effect two Rv buttons
[21:37] <fsphil> there is an option somewhere to force USB all the time
[21:38] <mclane> ok understood. Now I also get decodes on my phone!! Thanks for the hints!
[21:38] <mattbrejza> no problem, itll be good for someone else to give it a go
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> evening jcoxon
[22:01] <mattbrejza> http://imgur.com/HjDY1hv HF SDR
[22:01] <mattbrejza> lets see if i actually get if working ever
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[22:10] <codrBlu_> Greetings. In Ohio, U.S, new to high altitude ballooning and thinking about my first flight computer. Know I could use APRS, but I'd like to learn more about directly receiving telemetry using an antenna. Considering the fairly cheap 433Mhz NTX2 radio modules, but intrigued with the more expensive 900Mhz or 2.4GHz parts. How do I decide which frequency to use for my HAB? Any good documents on non-APRS tracking in the U.S?
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[22:20] <Randomskk> codrBlu: you've come to the right place but it might be a bit quiet right now
[22:20] <Randomskk> in general it's a fun way of doing it and works well for us in the UK, but a big part of that is because so many UK users listen in to balloons so we basically have a big network
[22:20] <Randomskk> in the US you're more likely to get good tracking if you do have an APRS thing on board from what I understand
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[22:21] <codrBlu> Thanks for the tip Randomskk. Mostly UKHAS users on here?
[22:21] <Randomskk> it is fun to play with though. I'd stick with 434MHz probably as it's both easier to receive (more radios that will cover it) and also less loss
[22:21] <Randomskk> there are a fair few americans (and others) on here
[22:21] <Randomskk> depends on timezones and so forth
[22:21] <Randomskk> might be worth chatting to arko, I think he was planning something but if nothing else does fly aprs in the US
[22:22] <codrBlu> Do you know if 434MHz is a legal frequency for me to use here?
[22:22] <cuddykid> yeah, it's legal
[22:22] <Randomskk> uhm, I believe it is but haven't actually verified that mys---
[22:22] <Randomskk> there you go
[22:22] <codrBlu> Thanks kid
[22:22] <cuddykid> I believe it's legal in pretty much every country
[22:22] <cuddykid> one of those bands :)
[22:22] <codrBlu> Cuddykid, do you fly non APRS tracking in the U.S?
[22:23] <cuddykid> codrBlu: fly 434 stuff but in UK
[22:24] <codrBlu> If you do not have a HAM license, it is fairly common to get permission from someone who is, to use their callsign in your APRS transmissions?
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[22:26] <codrBlu_> /MSG NickServ identify For8two_spin
[22:26] <codrBlu_> well that was a newb mistake
[22:28] <codrBlu_> /help
[22:28] <lz1dev> /noonecanhelpyounow
[22:28] <lz1dev> :P
[22:29] <codrBlu> Guess I can't enter IRC commands on the iphone.
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