highaltitude.log.20130408

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[00:28] <arko> does dl-fldigi drop off the network after a day?
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[01:39] <nigelvh> Anyone still hanging around this afternoon?
[01:39] <arko> yep
[01:40] <arko> tis a nice afternoon
[01:40] <Darkside> tis 11am here
[01:40] <Darkside> >_>
[01:40] <arko> messing with codez
[01:40] <arko> morning darkside!
[01:40] <arko> were you guys the ones launching this weekend?
[01:40] <nigelvh> I had a question to you fellow techies. What sort of batteries do you guys have laying around?
[01:40] <Darkside> for launches?
[01:41] <nigelvh> Doesn't matter. Just what batteries do you use for whatever. I'm building a new battery analyzer product, and I want to test to ensure good performance with common potential batteries.
[01:42] <nigelvh> I figure standard lead acids, lipos, AA's/AAA's
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[01:42] <nigelvh> Anything else I should test against?
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> 18650
[02:08] <SpeedEvil> lifepo4 18650 too
[02:08] <nigelvh> Excellent one
[02:09] <SpeedEvil> and aa lithium
[02:09] <nigelvh> I don't have any of the iron ones yet, but I have tested on a lithium AA
[02:09] <SpeedEvil> don,t forget NiZn
[02:10] <nigelvh> It should be able to manage any battery up to 50V and up to 50W discharge rate.
[02:10] <nigelvh> Presently I'm just testing to make sure I get reasonable results on various tests.
[02:20] <nigelvh> Presently, I'm sucking two amps out of a NiMH AAA.
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[02:20] <nigelvh> (Because that's *totally* a reasonable discharge rate for a AAA)
[02:27] <nigelvh> AAA's get hot when you do that...
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[02:41] <jiffe1> here is the spliced version of the video
[02:41] <jiffe1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTS0wF6ZU34
[02:42] <jiffe1> I'm guessing it is so wobbly because of the single center attachment on the payload
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[03:21] <arko> wow!
[03:21] <arko> nice
[03:32] <arko> jiffe1: where was that launch?
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[03:54] <jiffe1> arko: western south dakota
[03:55] <arko> ah!
[03:55] <arko> very cool :)
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ?
[11:06] <jonsowman> ?
[11:07] <fsphil> !
[11:10] <x-f> ..
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[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> !
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> \
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[11:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[11:26] <cuddykid> odd, the A570 decided to duplicate every JPG file it saved with a corresponding CRW (raw) file.. never had that before - anyone know why?
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[11:28] <fsphil> one of the buttons enabled raw mode
[11:28] <fsphil> it's very easy to hit it by mistake
[11:28] <fsphil> I kept doing it too
[11:29] <daveake> Yes
[11:29] <daveake> You had raw file creation enabled in CHDK
[11:29] <daveake> I assume the card filled up? :)
[11:29] <x-f> CHDK has that option
[11:29] <x-f> under "RAW" section
[11:29] <x-f> first option - "Save RAW"
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[11:29] <fsphil> hmm.. irc getting laggy
[11:30] <daveake> I've not done it in a flight, but I did once when testing how long the batteries would last
[11:30] <fsphil> sounds like they where attempting images over the xbee
[11:30] <daveake> Of course the card filled up before the batteries gave up
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[11:30] <daveake> Yeah saw that
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[11:31] <daveake> some of them "almost complete" ....
[11:31] <daveake> Actually I'm surprised they did that well
[11:31] <fsphil> same here
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[11:38] <fsphil> http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/eng/meng/wusat/media/photo_gallery/539098_10151585992310225_1723784125_n.jpg
[11:38] <daveake> That's not bad
[11:38] <fsphil> not bad at all
[11:38] <daveake> What camera?
[11:39] <fsphil> doesn't mention
[11:40] <gonzo_> will be interesting to see if they had any success with telem. They obviously got the thing back.
[11:40] <fsphil> not a wide angle lens, could be the something similar to the early uart camera sparkfun had
[11:40] <fsphil> -the
[11:41] <mfa298> there's an image of their pcb stack with a couple of camera modules http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/eng/meng/wusat/media/photo_gallery/wusat-pcbs-2.jpg
[11:42] <fsphil> ah it is just a uart camera
[11:42] <daveake> That's pretty good for one of those then
[11:43] <fsphil> it seems to be the linksprite
[11:44] <fsphil> yea
[11:45] <fsphil> also annoyingly expensive, compared to Pi + PiCam
[11:46] <gonzo_> bugger budget than us
[11:46] <gonzo_> i
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[11:57] <fsphil> all uart cameras seem to share the same flaw, you talk to them too quickly or too slowly, or send something not quite right, and they'll stop talking completely or send corrupt images
[11:57] <fsphil> and really badly written datasheets
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[12:01] <cuddykid> ah, that explains it fsphil daveake - thanks :) Yup, the 4GB card filled up extremely fast!
[12:02] <daveake> ha
[12:02] <fsphil> I can't remember what the button was i kept hitting
[12:02] <fsphil> that enabled raw mode
[12:02] <cuddykid> I was hitting quite a lot of buttons in testing as it wouldn't work (my fault!)
[12:05] <cuddykid> daveake: do you have a python script that is doing the transfer of images captured by webcam -> rtty?
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[12:05] <daveake> No ... there's a tiny bash script that takes the photos and saves them to a "pending" folder
[12:06] <cuddykid> ah I see
[12:06] <cuddykid> and then another (c ?) script that outputs to ntx2?
[12:06] <daveake> Then the RTTY program, which is in C, checks that folder chooses the "best" (largest) file, runs the fsphil's lovely SSDV program to produce a .BIN file
[12:07] <daveake> It then moves all the images to a "keep" folder so they don't get considered next time, and I still have them at the end of the flight
[12:07] <daveake> And it reads the BIN file 256 bytes at a time
[12:07] <cuddykid> neat!
[12:08] <cuddykid> need to get an 8GB SD card asap to play with the pi
[12:08] <cuddykid> got the webcam :)
[12:11] <fsphil> pi cam or usb?
[12:11] <cuddykid> usb
[12:11] <cuddykid> c270
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[12:13] <craag> I've been playing with the dominoex code that's on the ukhas wiki. Have people had much luck with it in flight?
[12:13] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement - Brightwalton Saturday 13th April"
[12:13] <UpuWork> Bill Brown uses DominoEx alot
[12:13] <UpuWork> I'm trying to make a radio with enough stability to TX it
[12:13] <UpuWork> he uses FM though
[12:14] <craag> I've been trying to get the code to use the AD9850 dds.
[12:14] <craag> I've got something that looks and sounds perfectly like dominoex, but doesn't decode yet.
[12:14] <UpuWork> could try FM actually
[12:15] <UpuWork> we have enough listeners
[12:15] <mattbrejza> how did you get that module for £3 or whatever it was
[12:15] <mattbrejza> analog sell them at $14 in quantity...
[12:16] <craag> mattbrejza: ebay from hong kong
[12:17] <craag> Seems to work well. Turns out you can't really do BPSK31 on it as that requires some AM at the phase changes, otherwise you get a very splattery waterfall.
[12:17] <craag> Hence I'm trying dominoex instead.
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[12:20] <UpuWork> fsphil and I got DominoEX working
[12:20] <UpuWork> on an NTX2
[12:20] <UpuWork> but it doesn't take much to make it not decode
[12:21] <craag> Yeah, I seem to have got the IFK wrong, it produces a completely different pattern than fldigi does.
[12:21] <craag> Have you flown it at all? It sounds a great mode on paper.
[12:22] <UpuWork> no it was too unstable
[12:22] <mattbrejza> can only assume its not a legit AD9850
[12:22] <UpuWork> maybe with a TXCO
[12:22] <UpuWork> TCXO
[12:22] <UpuWork> give me a sec
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[12:22] <mattbrejza> not an issue at 27MHz though (protentially)
[12:22] <UpuWork> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1jkbar8cjuxmom6/DominoEX_2.ino
[12:23] <craag> mattbrejza: Possibly.. I haven't seen any issues yet though.
[12:23] <UpuWork> Change rtty_txstring to dominoex_txstring
[12:23] <mattbrejza> unless you were to measure performance and compare to the DS i doubt you would
[12:24] <mattbrejza> its only a DAC connected to a ROM, barely complicated
[12:24] <UpuWork> I have a tracker with an LMT2 and a DAC which I'm going to try it with
[12:25] <craag> UpuWork: Yeah it's your code off the wiki that I've basically adapted.
[12:26] <mattbrejza> i was thinking of a 100MSPS DAC -> PA thing
[12:26] <HixWork> what controls the frequency on an NTX2 and can you change them? .075 seems to be very noisy locally, seems fairly common too
[12:26] <HixWork> just wondering if it can be tweaked?
[12:26] <mattbrejza> turns out 869 is more annoying than first thought
[12:26] <UpuWork> you can slightly change it Hix (note Daves mail to the list just now)
[12:26] <UpuWork> you can also swap the crystal out
[12:26] <craag> mattbrejza: I also might try a cheap buoy on 34MHz digibuoy band with it.
[12:26] <UpuWork> which I've done
[12:27] <UpuWork> but it means a module becomes £40
[12:27] <UpuWork> which is kinda expensive
[12:27] <mattbrejza> craag: http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/300200_300299/30022001/02.04.01_40/en_30022001v020401o.pdf
[12:27] <UpuWork> LMT2 is cheaper, frequency agile and has a TCXO
[12:27] <HixWork> that's what sparked my question Upu
[12:27] <mattbrejza> has all the detail on listen before talk
[12:27] <craag> Ah thanks!
[12:27] <mattbrejza> and also stuff like DSSS
[12:27] <UpuWork> LMT2 is a lovely transmitter might start to stock them
[12:27] <HixWork> so the crystal controls the frequency?
[12:27] <UpuWork> yes
[12:27] <mattbrejza> but in the end ofcom has the final word on what you can do
[12:28] <UpuWork> the crystal is operating frequency / 5
[12:28] <HixWork> ok, do you know how the change correlates to MHz?
[12:28] <HixWork> ahh there I go :)
[12:28] <UpuWork> yep :)
[12:28] <HixWork> heh
[12:28] <UpuWork> 86.84Mhz = 434.200Mhz but there is more too it than that
[12:28] <HixWork> and shift can be tweaked with the pot
[12:28] <UpuWork> its a specific type of crystal
[12:29] <UpuWork> Mick Mondo has one I modded
[12:29] <UpuWork> but tbh just get an LMT2
[12:29] <mattbrejza> or rfm or cc1101
[12:30] <UpuWork> well RFM is ok cheap but a bit dodgy
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[12:30] <UpuWork> i.e can crash, low quality passives, dubious sheilding
[12:30] <UpuWork> I don't even think they are technically legal to use
[12:30] <HixWork> LMT2 is radiometrix
[12:30] <mattbrejza> not CE marked?
[12:30] <UpuWork> certainly haven't passed the same certifications as the radiometrix modules
[12:30] <UpuWork> EN205
[12:31] <UpuWork> etc
[12:31] <UpuWork> they aren't sheilded for starters
[12:31] <mattbrejza> well you only need that to sell as a final product
[12:31] <mattbrejza> its a oem module
[12:31] <HixWork> http://www.radiometrix.com/content/lmt2
[12:32] <mattbrejza> HixWork: http://dx.com/p/rf1100-232-cc1101-433mhz-wireless-rf-transceiver-module-154571
[12:32] <UpuWork> well it wouldn't pass EN205
[12:32] <mattbrejza> even has a avr attached
[12:32] <UpuWork> or whatever it is
[12:32] <mattbrejza> well for a start it can do 100mW so nope
[12:32] <UpuWork> I'm working on a Si4464 based module with a TCXO
[12:32] <mattbrejza> but it doesnt have to pass, if you produce a weather station with a rfm in, its up to you to make sure it passes CE before you sell it
[12:33] <UpuWork> true
[12:33] <mattbrejza> radiometrix just make the process easier for you, and appriciate that its gonna be used by hobbyists
[12:34] <mattbrejza> for example the pi wasnt gonna be CE tested because it was classed by them as a oem module
[12:34] <mattbrejza> but then farnell/rs decided they would rather have it CE tested as its more of a consumer tihng now
[12:35] <craag> mattbrejza: Hmm interesting document. I'm compliant with all except the max transmitter on-time, which seems to suggest you can use a higher duty-cycle *without* listen-before-talk.
[12:36] <mattbrejza> if you use AFA you can get more on time
[12:36] <mattbrejza> but i was hoping to use the entire 250kHz so thats fallen flat
[12:37] <mattbrejza> cant even DSSS with decent power
[12:37] <craag> Yeah.. except that's gonna really annoy any rtty listeners :P
[12:37] <mattbrejza> what DSSS? :P
[12:37] <mattbrejza> if they even notice it
[12:37] <craag> For LBT devices without
[12:37] <craag> Adaptive Frequency Agility (AFA) or equivalent techniques, the duty cycle limit applies.
[12:37] <craag> :(
[12:38] <craag> So need AFA.
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[12:39] <craag> Erm it does say you can use the 869.4 - 869.65 as '1 wideband channel for highspeed data transmission'
[12:39] <mattbrejza> yea but thatll be @ 10%?
[12:40] <mattbrejza> (DC)
[12:41] <mattbrejza> also bear in mind there is a 30dB gain for using 27MHz over 869
[12:42] <craag> Yep, 27Mhz does look better. And Dominoex16 is quite fast!
[12:43] <mattbrejza> oc loss as far as potential antenna gain goes
[12:43] <craag> Also quite cool that there's optional FEC in the standard.
[12:43] <mattbrejza> also 40MHz
[12:43] <Fail_Academy> mfsk works nicely with fldigi
[12:44] <Fail_Academy> but you need precise frequency deviation
[12:44] <craag> Fail_Academy: Yeah, dominoex is basically mfsk with some extra tweaks for drift-robustness and a different varicode.
[12:45] <Fail_Academy> hm...
[12:45] <Fail_Academy> aiui mfsk has better FEC
[12:45] <Fail_Academy> but its been a while
[12:46] <Fail_Academy> theres dominoex and mfsk on the wiki
[12:46] <craag> Fail_Academy: Yeah I'm using the dominoex example on the wiki, but with a DDS.
[12:46] <Fail_Academy> nice
[12:46] <mattbrejza> mfsk is a bit BW happy though
[12:46] <craag> Code: https://github.com/thecraag/AD9850_beacon/blob/dominoex/AD9850_beacon.ino
[12:46] <Fail_Academy> epic :P
[12:48] <craag> Ah, of course it'll be different from fldigi. I bet fldigi is transmitting it with fec..
[12:50] <craag> Ah, no it's not. That's toggle-able and is off.
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[13:06] <nosebleedkt> hi everybody
[13:06] <fsphil> howdy individual human person
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[13:07] <nosebleedkt> yesterday i managed to send data between UHF radio
[13:07] <nosebleedkt> at 433mhz
[13:07] <nosebleedkt> i will use that for live jpeg transmission :D
[13:08] <kokey> sstv?
[13:08] <nosebleedkt> no
[13:08] <nosebleedkt> raw jpeg bytes on air :)
[13:08] <fsphil> are you able to retransmit missing bits?
[13:08] <nosebleedkt> but i guess fsphil will argue now :P
[13:09] <nosebleedkt> im thinking of writing a protocol
[13:09] <nosebleedkt> for ack etc etc
[13:09] <fsphil> yea. if you can do that then straight jpeg is fine
[13:09] <jonsowman> use tcp
[13:09] <nosebleedkt> tcp is not bad
[13:10] <jonsowman> lol don't use tcp
[13:10] <fsphil> haha
[13:10] <nosebleedkt> haha
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[13:10] <nosebleedkt> well it will be something simpler and mind
[13:10] <nosebleedkt> mine
[13:11] <nosebleedkt> but im not sure if receiving and transmitting is easy through the omni antennas
[13:11] <nosebleedkt> at 500mw
[13:11] <nosebleedkt> :)
[13:12] <fsphil> or you could use ssdv ;)
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[13:12] <nosebleedkt> that's yours?
[13:12] <fsphil> yea
[13:12] <nosebleedkt> arduino ready?
[13:12] <nosebleedkt> or still .. ?
[13:12] <fsphil> yep
[13:12] <fsphil> well, avr
[13:13] <nosebleedkt> might it give it a try now that i have 14.7mhz cpu :P
[13:13] <fsphil> I've been using 7.ish mhz, and even that's more than fast enough
[13:13] <fsphil> the transmitting was still the slowest part of it, up to 2400 baud anyway
[13:13] <nosebleedkt> lol
[13:13] <nosebleedkt> that radio i have says about 128kbps
[13:14] <fsphil> that would be nice
[13:14] <nosebleedkt> let me find the website
[13:14] <nosebleedkt> http://www.uctronics.com/wireless-transceiver-module-p-831.html
[13:14] <nosebleedkt> 256kbps
[13:14] <nosebleedkt> :P
[13:15] <fsphil> yea, probably over 10 metres :)
[13:15] <nosebleedkt> and this is its chipset
[13:15] <nosebleedkt> http://gr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silicon-Labs/Si4330-B1-FM/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDT69Hefc2iSu5OX8mn%252brj
[13:16] <nosebleedkt> its probably this SI433 chip with an amplifier circuit to provide 500mw
[13:16] <fsphil> that's quite a lot of power on 434mhz. is that legal there?
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[13:17] <nosebleedkt> well who cares.
[13:17] <nosebleedkt> greece is now in illegal function anyway
[13:17] <nosebleedkt> chaos comes soon :\
[13:17] <fsphil> you'll stop thousands of people opening their cars when you fly that thing :)
[13:18] <nosebleedkt> lol
[13:20] <nosebleedkt> this time i will have 2 jpeg cams
[13:20] <nosebleedkt> 1 HD video
[13:20] <nosebleedkt> 1 canon
[13:20] <nosebleedkt> :P
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[13:20] <fsphil> those linksprites are fussy old cameras
[13:21] <nosebleedkt> they are nice :)
[13:21] <nosebleedkt> do u have anything new to suggest?
[13:21] <fsphil> don't put tomatoe sauce on breakfast cerial
[13:21] <fsphil> cereal*
[13:21] <jonsowman> :\
[13:22] <fsphil> I seem to get the occasional corrupt jpeg from the linksprite
[13:22] <fsphil> well not really corrupt, but missing bits
[13:22] <gonzo_> would that be a cross vetween cereal and serial?
[13:22] <fsphil> it's not good when your RS232 cable goes snap, crackle and pop
[13:22] <HixWork> softwareCereal
[13:23] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, i get this corrupt if i use compression or delay!=10ms or chunklength>80
[13:23] <gonzo_> would parallel transfer be when you tip the whole bowl in your mouth?
[13:23] <fsphil> Kellogs Special C
[13:24] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: interesting. I was using a block of 256 iirc
[13:24] <gonzo_> wheetabits
[13:24] <nosebleedkt> i had it running whole day taking pictures all the time
[13:24] <nosebleedkt> no corrupts.
[13:24] <fsphil> I'll try reducing it a bit
[13:24] <nosebleedkt> chunk=256?
[13:25] <fsphil> yea
[13:25] <nosebleedkt> maybe we speak of different thing
[13:25] <fsphil> I wish it had a checksum on each packet of data
[13:25] <fsphil> so I could at least request it again
[13:25] <nosebleedkt> it has a file size
[13:25] <nosebleedkt> to return
[13:25] <nosebleedkt> so you read that many bytes
[13:26] <HixWork> Shredded Wheat Bytesize
[13:27] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, http://imagebin.org/253232
[13:29] <zarya> /14
[13:29] <fsphil> I've seen the light
[13:36] <nosebleedkt> so
[13:36] <nosebleedkt> are there any new launches?
[13:36] <nosebleedkt> apart from Kevin's :)
[13:41] <fsphil> there's a few coming up at the weekend
[13:51] <cuddykid> awful predictions my end of the woods - potentially would be doing another flight this week/weekend
[13:52] <fsphil> I must apply again
[13:52] <fsphil> for there to be any chance of doing a flight in "summer"
[13:52] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, come here
[13:53] <nosebleedkt> and we launch together :P
[13:53] <fsphil> now that would be neat. too far sadly :)
[13:53] <cuddykid> arko: give me a ping when you're back online :)
[13:53] <nosebleedkt> :P
[13:54] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, how is weather?
[13:54] <fsphil> actually really nice at the moment nosebleedkt
[13:54] <fsphil> we've had a week of sunshine
[13:54] <nosebleedkt> no more dark medieval clouds?
[13:54] <x-f> i read the news this morning, that there is a storm expected in UK next weekend
[13:54] <fsphil> still clouds, but not as many
[13:55] <fsphil> it was even warm on saturday
[13:55] <fsphil> but it's got colder again
[13:55] <HixWork> x-f snow or lightning
[13:55] <nosebleedkt> ooo
[13:55] <fsphil> please say lightning
[13:55] <x-f> HixWork, what will be your choice?
[13:56] <HixWork> Lighting
[13:56] <x-f> nobody wants snow anymore :/
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> I want
[13:56] <HixWork> Lightning + Cameraaxe = Very cool
[13:56] <fsphil> I love snow
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> havent seen snow for ages :D
[13:56] <fsphil> but I prefer lightning :)
[13:56] <nosebleedkt> hahahah
[13:57] <fsphil> or, ideally
[13:57] <fsphil> thundersnow
[13:57] <x-f> nosebleedkt, right now here - http://instagram.com/p/X2Ctq9zFhn/
[13:57] <HixWork> I love snow, but we never get a proper dump
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[13:57] <HixWork> and Lightning is very rare these days
[13:57] <fsphil> lightning is soooo rare
[13:57] <nosebleedkt> ride the lightning
[13:58] <nosebleedkt> \m/
[13:59] <fsphil> I put a multimeter onto my HF antenna during the last thunderstorm, got some nice voltage spikes
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[14:02] <x-f> you are a brave soul :)
[14:02] <fsphil> it was a good few km away :)
[14:02] <x-f> FOR SCIENCE!
[14:02] <HixWork> you should have hooked up some frogs legs too
[14:04] <fsphil> would have been too shocking
[14:05] <Randomskk> a high potential for misadventure
[14:11] <fsphil> you made me spill my Leyden jar
[14:16] <daveake> You're revolting
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[14:21] <gonzo_> sounds like lunch!
[14:21] <gonzo_> that's my current theory
[14:22] <gonzo_> (I see your pun, and raise you a tangient)
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[14:35] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[14:37] Action: SpeedEvil grrs as he hooks up his solar panel to find that the grid tie inverter has died.
[14:39] <fsphil> eek
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> one from eBay
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> I should try to reverse it
[14:42] <HixWork> this is pretty cool to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xe-f4gokRBs
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> I got my new powershot A3350 today
[14:43] <Lunar_Lander> I am excited how it works once the battery is charged
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[14:57] <Lunar_Lander> some rolling stones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGe74VdiKrM
[14:58] <Fail_Academy> trolling stones
[15:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Atherton "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
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[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> new camera is cool
[15:28] <Lunar_Lander> all those buttons to set up things
[15:31] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton Saturday 13th April"
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[16:05] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton Saturday 13th April"
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[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE_> <HixWork> Is that an idea for a new cut-down method ? Scratch the glass and all is released!
[16:22] <HixWork> Heh, it's pretty amazing when you see something in the region of 1700m/s propogation speed
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[16:23] <cuddykid> nightmare - hexacopter is stuck in the biggest tree! :(
[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ouch, any video ?
[16:24] <HixWork> that'll give you a chance to practice your HAB recovery skills then
[16:24] Nick change: Geoff-G8DHE_ -> Geoff-G8DHE
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[16:24] <arko> cuddykid: sup
[16:25] <HixWork> time to go. bye
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[16:25] <cuddykid> Geoff-G8DHE: video camera flew out, just looking now
[16:25] <cuddykid> arko: give me 10/15mins and I'll PM you :)
[16:26] <arko> kk
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> That was "sort" of lucky then!
[16:31] <mattbrejza> build another one to get the first one down
[16:39] <cuddykid> yeah, I think I need to!
[16:40] <cuddykid> it was doing an 'auto' mission - doing really well until it got near the end and then decided to go off and do it's own thing - went to regain manual control but it was so high up and far away I lost orientation and flew it into tree
[16:40] <daveake> Trees are popular lately
[16:41] <cuddykid> just watched the footage back, turns out I actually accelerated it into the tree
[16:42] <cuddykid> how long is your pole daveake ?
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Amazon might help http://amzn.to/12BcVIS
[16:43] <cuddykid> I think any telescopic pole will be too short, thing is about 25m up
[16:43] <cuddykid> heh
[16:43] <daveake> Well that's a very personal question ...
[16:43] <cuddykid> lol
[16:43] <daveake> ... but the answer is 10 metres
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> But try for these as well http://amzn.to/12Bd6Ul
[16:44] <cuddykid> need one of these things http://www.nationwideplatforms.co.uk/Hire/Boom-Lifts/150HAX-Diesel-Boom-Lift-4774m/
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> No just this to help http://amzn.to/12BdCln
[16:47] <Babs> You guys are amateurs, this is the only recovery way forward ;-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/91049302@N00/7329345060/in/set-72157629918448066
[16:47] <cuddykid> shame I've lost my catapult, a big stone would probably dislodge it - came close when throwing but it's so high up
[16:48] <cuddykid> nice Babs
[16:48] <Babs> If there is one lesson in HAB land, it should be to land within 10 metres of a guy with a mahusive JCB
[16:48] <number10> or one of these http://i.imgur.com/vLTRdPK.jpg
[16:49] <Babs> Carbon fibre or not, that guy has got some kahunas to be holding that thing in clouds that particular shade of grey
[16:52] <cuddykid> ah, now that would help!
[16:53] <daveake> Ah yes, Rob's rod
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[17:05] <arko> Babs ha!
[17:05] <arko> it;s like a cat stuck in a tree
[17:08] <Babs> In reality, I started to regret asking him whether he had anything that could help when I was 15m up in the bucket and not tied on...
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[17:14] <HixPad> Is a 940nm ir led emitter suitable to use as an ir lamp or is there a difference?
[17:15] <HixPad> I also saw these on bits box circa 4 pounds each www.bitsbox.co.uk/data/AMRT4_433.pdf
[17:15] <HixPad> Could be worth a try
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[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> hello again
[17:51] Nick change: Lunar_Lander -> ApolloCM_Splashd
[17:51] Nick change: ApolloCM_Splashd -> Lunar_Lander_
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[18:00] <fsphil> woo, nest box cameras didn't explode
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[18:05] <HixPad> Mine neither :D
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[18:05] <griffonbot> @BalloonAdvice: Publicly accessible balloon flight prediction tools: http://t.co/WDjdV3lGBZ http://t.co/RTQRZPqVo7 http://t.co/58JJGXymc6 #arhab #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/BalloonAdvice/status/321322932964044800]
[18:05] <HixPad> Incidentally fsphil are ir emitters suitable for ir illumination? 940nm
[18:06] <jonsowman> @BalloonAdvice eh
[18:06] <fsphil> BalloonAdvice?
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[18:06] <HixPad> Fill em
[18:07] <fsphil> HixPad: I don't recall what nm my IR leds are. the longer the better
[18:07] <HixPad> But an emitter is the same thing no?
[18:07] <jonsowman> fsphil: ah, it's Dan-K2VOL
[18:07] <griffonbot> @BalloonAdvice: Keep up with worldwide large-scale high altitude balloon operations: http://t.co/3qVrOV3dDT and @stratoballoon #arhab #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/BalloonAdvice/status/321323515737415681]
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[18:08] <fsphil> jonsowman: phew! I had a horrible thought there briefly
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[18:08] <fsphil> HixPad: should be
[18:08] <jonsowman> fsphil: i had the same awful thought
[18:08] <HixPad> Bitsbox.co.uk are pretty good for components btw worth a look for stuff
[18:08] <jonsowman> it filled me with terror
[18:09] <mfa298> I suspect I thought the same thing but there wern't any links to his blog
[18:09] <Dan-K2VOL> haha hey @fsphil @jonsowman
[18:09] <jonsowman> hello :)
[18:09] <Dan-K2VOL> indeed, I'm going to try to separate my balloon tweets from my customer service complaint tweets :-)
[18:10] <fsphil> g'day Dan-K2VOL !
[18:10] <jonsowman> thanks for putting the cusf predictor first
[18:10] <jonsowman> ;)
[18:10] <fsphil> I kept a parts list for my box but I can't find it now
[18:10] <Dan-K2VOL> ;-) personally I like it best, and I think it's friendlier for users
[18:11] <jonsowman> haha, it should be getting even better soon
[18:11] <fsphil> will it launch for me?
[18:11] <jonsowman> (error: soon is undefined in this context)
[18:11] <Dan-K2VOL> :-)
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[18:11] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN46 - Sunday 7th."
[18:12] <jonsowman> bit late there griffonbot
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[18:16] <fsphil> annoying. I setup a raspberry pi to control the LEDs in the box and it's just stopped responding
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[18:21] <Lunar_Lander_> hm
[18:23] <arko> btw, does anyone know if it's normal for dl-fldigi to drop off the server after 24 hours?
[18:24] <Randomskk> yes
[18:24] <Randomskk> if you've not uploaded anything
[18:24] <arko> ah!
[18:24] <arko> ok that makes sense
[18:26] <Lunar_Lander_> I think I can say it now
[18:27] <Lunar_Lander_> on the payload competition for the Lake Constance HAM RADIO balloon, I came 2nd place :)
[18:27] <arko> nice!
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[18:28] <number10> what competition was that Lunar_Lander_ ?
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander_> they searched for two teams, one school level and one like higher level, who would make a sub-payload up to 150 g in weight for their balloon launch
[18:28] <Lunar_Lander_> now there is the thing
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander_> they say that the people who came 2nd can be allocated on a second launch on July 20
[18:29] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
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[18:34] <Morseman> I was at the Friedrichshafen Ham Radio show last year but they didn't have a balloon flight
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah
[18:34] <Morseman> Did see the Zepplin though
[18:34] <Lunar_Lander_> cool!
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[18:37] <Lunar_Lander_> wb number10_
[18:37] <number10_> got cut off
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[18:40] <Lunar_Lander_> did you read the description?
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[18:43] <Guest83824> Hello w Guys, what happened with uXHABEN mission? It go up to 8304 m and stop tracking.
[18:43] <Guest83824> *uXABEN, sorry
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[19:01] <willdude123> Hi.
[19:02] <Upu> evening Will
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> Guest83824, i think the GPS packed up
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> there was another tracker on the flight, not sure if it was recovered though
[19:04] <willdude123> He left chris.
[19:04] <griffonbot> Received email: Andrew Myatt "[UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> well spotted
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> just testing you, congratualtions on passing ;)
[19:04] <willdude123> Looking forward to pie5
[19:05] <x-f> yeah, sounds interesting
[19:06] <willdude123> Wonder where it will go,
[19:06] <x-f> floater, live images, and two NTX2 on almost the same frequency
[19:06] <fsphil> should manage both channels with a funcube dongle
[19:07] <willdude123> He's flying a funcube dongle?
[19:07] <fsphil> manage to receive both*
[19:07] <fsphil> sorry
[19:07] <fsphil> he's flying two NTX2s
[19:08] <willdude123> Oh okay.
[19:08] <fsphil> the frequency of both are within the bandpass of the funcube dongle, so the one receiver could in theory receive both NTX2s
[19:08] <fsphil> although it'll be tricky getting the software to do that
[19:08] <willdude123> He's making the arduino send the images somehow then?
[19:09] <willdude123> But they are taken on the Pi?
[19:09] <fsphil> yea the Pi captures and encodes the image into packets
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[19:09] <fsphil> the avr splits the packets into two channels
[19:10] <fsphil> well not really. that's a horrible description
[19:10] <willdude123> What's the difference between ssdv and sstv?
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[19:10] <fsphil> ssdv is digital, sstv is analogue
[19:10] <fsphil> they both do the same thing, send small images over the radio
[19:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
[19:12] <willdude123> Is PIE5 sstv or ssdv?
[19:12] <fsphil> ssdv
[19:12] <willdude123> There will be telemetry too, right?
[19:12] <fsphil> it basically takes a jpeg file, splits it up until little bits and sends them over RTTY
[19:13] <fsphil> yes
[19:13] <fsphil> it'll send a bit of an image, then a normal telemetry line, then another bit of image
[19:13] <fsphil> etc.
[19:13] <fsphil> the image data appears as random gibberish in the text box
[19:13] <daveake> Yeah the Pi processes 2 images and sends each image packet to the AVR with an extra header to tell the AVR which NTX2 to send it to
[19:14] <daveake> The AVR handles 4 packets at a time - 2 that it's sending and the next 2 that it will send when those have gone.
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[19:14] <daveake> End result is next to no gap between packets
[19:14] <fsphil> that's a much better description
[19:15] <daveake> :)
[19:16] <willdude123> daveake: Do you run SCCS?
[19:17] <daveake> Oh, and the telemetry is interleaved almost as fsphil said. A telemetry packet is inserted every 30 seconds roughly into each stream, and they are timed so that you get telemetry from 1 stream then 15 seconds-ish later you'll get telemetry from the other stream
[19:17] <daveake> SCCS = me
[19:17] <mattbrejza> Scottish Carbon Capture & Storage?
[19:17] <daveake> source code control system, of course, which as a programmer is basically what I am
[19:17] <mfa298> fsphil: sdr-radio can recieve multiple frequencies and if you're using VAC pipe it into different virtual sound cards and differnt copies of dl-fldigi
[19:17] <fsphil> you're a git?
[19:18] <daveake> That's been said :p
[19:18] <fsphil> lol
[19:18] <daveake> old git perhaps
[19:18] <willdude123> Hate to be pendantic, but there is a grammar mistake on http://www.sccs.co.uk/?page_id=67
[19:18] <daveake> Probably
[19:18] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN46 - Sunday 7th."
[19:18] <willdude123> there->their
[19:18] <daveake> A friend had a company YACC which was "Yea Another Computer Consultant"
[19:19] <daveake> Yet
[19:19] <willdude123> Interesting that your about us page says 'woohoo' :)
[19:19] <daveake> willdude123 That's a dormant company and the website needs anoverhaul
[19:19] <daveake> or deletion
[19:19] <daveake> :)
[19:19] <daveake> I wouldn't bother checking it out
[19:20] <cuddykid> daveake is like a patent hoarder ;)
[19:20] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
[19:20] <daveake> riiight
[19:21] <willdude123> daveake: Where is PIE5 predicted to go?
[19:21] <cuddykid> that's a good domain though
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander_> oh btw
[19:21] <daveake> PIE5 should go right over Lunar :)
[19:21] <fsphil> up
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander_> what happens if Scotland decides to split with the UK?
[19:22] <fsphil> iron brew becomes rarer
[19:22] <Upu> As long as they keep exporting Whisky no one cares
[19:22] <daveake> lol
[19:22] <Upu> willdude123 http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7d7a4a549b9918b410e1ea9be9d1c7dcd80fd672
[19:22] <willdude123> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=7d7a4a549b9918b410e1ea9be9d1c7dcd80fd672
[19:22] <willdude123> Sorry :(
[19:22] <Upu> possibly maybe
[19:22] <Upu> too early
[19:23] <willdude123> Near me, but not towards me :(
[19:23] <daveake> Well hopefully it'll burst much later in which case it'll head past Essen (on current predictions)
[19:23] <fsphil> you'll still hear it willdude123
[19:23] <daveake> But it's early days
[19:23] <fsphil> heck I'll hear it
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander_> oh a note of advice
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander_> Essen, Dortmund, Duisburg
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander_> these cities
[19:23] <fsphil> don't stick a bananna in your ear?
[19:23] <fsphil> that's good advice
[19:23] <daveake> very
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander_> the Ruhr zone is like the most dense populated area of germany
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[19:24] <daveake> Yes, I know
[19:24] <HixPad> A city called eat
[19:24] <willdude123> Can I make the debug window go away?
[19:24] <daveake> Click on "hide debug window" perhaps?
[19:24] <mfa298> skipping france I see
[19:24] <chrisstubbs> daveake, i guess pi runs on .650 and .075?
[19:24] <Lunar_Lander_> HixPad, yea it is funny if you think of it :)
[19:25] <fsphil> essen?
[19:25] <HixPad> To eat
[19:25] <daveake> No the Pi will be on 070 and 075, ish
[19:25] <Upu> thats probably why we bombed it so much in the war Lunar
[19:25] <willdude123> daveake: That's intuitive. :)
[19:25] <HixPad> Was woollen sie zu Essen
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander_> :P
[19:25] <HixPad> Damn autocorrect
[19:25] <chrisstubbs> daveake, perfect :) NSE is running on .650 and .300 on the same day :)
[19:25] <daveake> Essen is a dump
[19:26] <HixPad> Nach Essen dump
[19:26] <HixPad> Normally
[19:26] <daveake> Yes chrisstubbs I know that's why I'm not using 650 :)
[19:26] <Upu> we know chrisstubbs :)
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> HixPad, XD
[19:26] <willdude123> chrisstubbs: Have you finished the web interface?
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> there was a gag on Sarah Millican's show
[19:26] <chrisstubbs> willdude so far it goes: <html> <body>
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> First watch Jamie's 15 minute meals, then Jamie's 30 Minute dumps
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander_> XD
[19:27] <HixPad> Heh
[19:27] <willdude123> chrisstubbs: Good start.
[19:27] <jonsowman> chrisstubbs: I can tell you how it ends
[19:27] <chrisstubbs> lol not had much time to work on it, will probably do it next week :)
[19:27] <HixPad> chrisstubbs: You forgot <head>
[19:27] <chrisstubbs> jonsowman, dont ruin it for me!
[19:27] <jonsowman> and the doctype...
[19:28] <HixPad> Heh
[19:28] <HixPad> Obligatory google urchin script
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander_> btw
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> if you want to see one of the funniest moments of German Public television
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander_> http://youtu.be/sNtQkuoDe40?t=9m29s
[19:29] <willdude123> Google Maps is apparently a social networking website.
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[19:31] <Randomskk> are you banned from social networking websites?
[19:31] <willdude123> I shouldn't be.
[19:32] <fsphil> not being on facebook is probably a bonus
[19:32] <HixPad> Socks proxy
[19:32] <Upu> Norton software needs to be burnt and destroyed in the fires of hell
[19:32] <Upu> stupid useless pointless crap
[19:32] <HixPad> Nuked
[19:32] <daveake> indeed
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> well said
[19:33] <fsphil> Upu for world president
[19:33] <HixPad> Kill kill kill
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> everything would be pink...
[19:33] <fsphil> oh right
[19:33] <HixPad> Hmmm
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> all road marking would have to be repainted
[19:33] <Upu> let me show you a screen shot 1 sec see if I can find it
[19:33] <daveake> Is there room for Belkin devices too?
[19:33] <fsphil> nope
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander_> did you see the moment of german television?
[19:33] <HixPad> Thompson
[19:33] <daveake> They have to be burnt somewhere
[19:33] <fsphil> melted down and made into sticks to hit the management with
[19:33] <daveake> ah
[19:34] <HixPad> Bars not sticks
[19:34] <HixPad> Steel bars
[19:34] <HixPad> With spikes
[19:34] <fsphil> Steel bars, made of plastic
[19:34] <HixPad> Whatever but with kin big sharp spikes
[19:35] <Upu> can't find it sadly
[19:35] <HixPad> It probably quarantined it ;p
[19:36] <Upu> it was norton being doing its Buddy Jesus "everything is OK!" routine with a totally trashed browser in the back ground
[19:36] <chrisstubbs> and HP: http://bit.ly/YbkRBA
[19:36] <HixPad> Oh bitsbox have ic clips for something silly like 49p
[19:38] <HixPad> 28p bitsbox.co.uk/connectors/test_con.html
[19:38] <chrisstubbs> nice clip of domlin after the fire
[19:40] <HixPad> Ewww explosive discharge
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[19:40] <chrisstubbs> lol
[19:41] <HixPad> Nach Essen bad curry, explosive discharge
[19:41] <chrisstubbs> lol
[19:41] <griffonbot> Received email: "[UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
[19:41] <chrisstubbs> ohh man, looks like destination: north sea for NSE on saturday
[19:42] <chrisstubbs> fingers crossed the prediction changes a lot over the week
[19:43] <HixPad> Drop in and say hi to kraken
[19:43] <HixPad> Might pop over and say hi at launch time
[19:44] <chrisstubbs> your welcome to hix :)
[19:44] <HixPad> Massive journey tho ;)
[19:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Proposed launch of AURA & AURA2"
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> will post on the mailing list on friday fi we are deciding to go ahead/postpone
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[20:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "[UKHAS] Amending the UKHAS Wiki"
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[21:10] <arko> http://www.layerone.org/speakers/#arko
[21:10] <arko> woot
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[21:11] <fsphil> one-third of the space shuttle?
[21:11] <fsphil> ooh you're doing a launch
[21:13] <arko> uh oh, someone screwed up that fraction
[21:13] <arko> :P
[21:17] <arko> yeah, im gonna launch a pico right after my talk
[21:17] <jonsowman> don't land it in the middle of london
[21:17] <jonsowman> cough cough
[21:17] <arko> lol
[21:18] <Randomskk> har har
[21:18] <jonsowman> though that would be a feat from san fran
[21:18] <Randomskk> I'm never going to hear the end of that am I
[21:18] <arko> gonna fill it to be a floater
[21:18] <arko> :)
[21:18] <Randomskk> might do something much worse just so people stop reminding me of the emf one
[21:18] <jonsowman> haha
[21:18] <Randomskk> give ssadt one last flight
[21:18] <jonsowman> sans chute
[21:19] <Randomskk> avec that spare N motor
[21:19] <jonsowman> for added downwards propulsion
[21:19] <Randomskk> not that there's much point, it'l be at terminal velocity anyway
[21:19] <Randomskk> hmm though if I fire the motor late enough it should make a bit of a difference
[21:20] <Randomskk> should probably stop joking about this now
[21:20] <jonsowman> :D
[21:20] <jonsowman> what, before you do it?
[21:20] <Randomskk> haha
[21:20] <jonsowman> and these logs incriminate you
[21:20] <Randomskk> before someone mistakes my intentions
[21:20] <Randomskk> or at least before the logs count as evidence against my claims of insanity
[21:21] <jonsowman> lol
[21:21] <Randomskk> I think actually planning things like that would get you done under conspiracy to commit terrorism wouldn't it?
[21:22] <Randomskk> so, best avoided
[21:22] <jonsowman> haha maybe
[21:22] <Randomskk> that bomb tweet got taken quite seriously
[21:22] <Randomskk> the robin hood airport one
[21:23] <Randomskk> and that guy didn't even have access to a basement lab, an already made carbon fibre missile casing, etc
[21:23] <jonsowman> oh yeah
[21:23] <Randomskk> fill in "etc" as appropriate
[21:23] <Randomskk> anyway yes I'm going to go watch some television and fill in a tax return and do other good citizen things now, bbl
[21:23] <Randomskk> >_>
[21:23] <jonsowman> sure you are
[21:23] <Randomskk> actually I'm still eating easter eggs
[21:24] <jonsowman> i'm eating a grapefruit
[21:24] Action: arko wants grapefruit
[21:24] <arko> >_>
[21:24] <Randomskk> I want that mutant GM grapefruit that's sweet
[21:24] <jonsowman> if you can get here in the next 30 seconds there's a chance you might get a segment
[21:24] <arko> brb
[21:24] <Randomskk> also a land speed record
[21:25] <jonsowman> yes but, priorities
[21:26] <daveake> I wonder why it's called grapefruit
[21:26] <daveake> I mean half of that is right
[21:26] <daveake> But the other half is definitely wrong
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander_> land speed record
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander_> that is a british thing for sure :)
[21:28] <daveake> " Its current name alludes to clusters of the fruit on the tree, which often appear similar to grapes"
[21:28] <daveake> Ah, learn something new every day
[21:30] <eroomde> dislike grapefruit
[21:30] <eroomde> and marmelade
[21:30] <eroomde> my palette is too unsophisticated
[21:31] <arko> i like canalope
[21:31] <arko> and watermelon
[21:31] <arko> 2 favs
[21:31] <arko> oh and pineapple
[21:32] <fsphil> but not pinecones
[21:33] <Lunar_Lander_> I actually like the ginger marmelade
[21:34] <eroomde> euphamism alert
[21:35] <Upu> lol
[21:36] <daveake> lol
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[21:37] <Lunar_Lander_> btw once again http://youtu.be/sNtQkuoDe40?t=9m29s
[21:39] <arko> haha
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander_> xD
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[21:53] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, I got a suggestion
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander_> your shop page for the chip antenna board says it weighs 1.5 g
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander_> maybe you can give the weight of the sarantel board as well
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander_> for the customers
[21:59] <Upu> I thought I had, if not I'll correct that tomorrow
[21:59] <Upu> its 7.2g
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[22:01] <Lunar_Lander_> ah
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander_> you got the size of it
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander_> but only the 1.5 g of the chip antenna
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander_> thanks :)
[22:02] <daveake> Lunar_Lander I hope you'll have your radio with you on Saturday to track the flights coming your way!
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah should be good
[22:02] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[22:03] <daveake> Cool
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[22:04] <fsphil> I believe this will be the first floater with images
[22:04] <Upu> SSDV sunset
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[22:04] <daveake> First I know of
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander_> yeah I hope it gets in range and I hope that I can try to see the SSDV here
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[22:14] <arko> does anyone have a link to an example code of the whole NXT+ubox6+arduino functioning as a RTTY hab?
[22:14] <arko> i can find examples of testing each part individually, but nothing flight
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander_> Upu, it says 9.8 g if you add the board to the product comparison
[22:18] <lz1dev> daveake: ssdv floater? when ? :D
[22:18] <daveake> Saturday
[22:19] <arko> oops nvm
[22:19] <daveake> UK --> Holland --> Germany --> Poland, on current predictions. Hope it stays that way.
[22:19] <arko> i figured out what i was doing wrong with german
[22:19] <arko> with my code
[22:19] <arko> wow, total brain fart
[22:19] <arko> i mean to say wrong with GPS
[22:20] <lz1dev> daveake: which one?
[22:20] <lz1dev> 2013-04-13T00:00:00+01:00 NSE1
[22:20] <lz1dev> 2013-04-12T00:00:00-05:00 KC5NXD
[22:20] <daveake> PIE5. It's in the mailing list but not in Hhabitat yet
[22:20] <lz1dev> ahh
[22:20] <lz1dev> :D
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[22:45] <griffonbot> @BalloonAdvice: Things don't always work right in the bitter cold at altitude, use Dry Ice (CO2) to test your payload for a few hours before you fly. #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/BalloonAdvice/status/321393486450552832]
[22:47] <lz1dev> lol
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander_> who is the guy who tweets?
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[22:53] <nigelvh> Lunar, are you asking about griffonbot?
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander_> no, that BalloonAdvice guy
[22:53] <nigelvh> Oh, that I don't know.
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander_> oh it's Dank
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander_> :)
[22:54] <Lunar_Lander_> *Dan
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