highaltitude.log.20130404

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[00:36] <dshaw_> hey guys. does anyone else have experience with SDR#?
[00:38] <nigelvh> Not with SDR#, but are you still working on the same issue as before?
[01:05] <dshaw_> Yeah, I am, but it's been a late night at school and will just have to return tomorrow and address the problem when I have more time.
[01:05] <dshaw_> Thanks all
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[06:03] <arko> wee
[06:05] <nigelvh> weeeee
[06:07] <arko> started a new project for fun tonight
[06:07] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/ujFll2w.jpg
[06:08] <nigelvh> So what is it supposed to be predicting?
[06:08] <nigelvh> Also, what's with the red line...
[06:08] <arko> oh it's just a demo right now
[06:09] <arko> just got the application started is all
[06:09] <arko> wanted to test the google map api
[06:09] <nigelvh> What's the goal?
[06:09] <nigelvh> cover land with water at the predicted rates?
[06:09] <arko> its for predicting floating boat/beacons
[06:09] <arko> say you throw a beacon to float around in the sea
[06:09] <nigelvh> Oh, so really more of a current predictor then.
[06:09] <nigelvh> (surface currents)
[06:09] <arko> yeah
[06:10] <arko> i should change the name :P
[06:10] <nigelvh> Probably
[06:11] <nigelvh> It would be interesting to see how accurately you can do the predictions. KT5TK did a floating beacon once here off the coast of washington.
[06:11] <arko> yeah
[06:12] <nigelvh> Granted it didn't go too far. He released it somewhere near the marker on this map: https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=48.295985,-123.033142&hl=en&sll=48.173412,-122.980957&sspn=1.566033,3.526611&t=h&mra=mift&mrsp=1&sz=9&z=9
[06:12] <nigelvh> And a few days later it washed ashore in Sequim
[06:12] <nigelvh> But that's a rather close release, and a rather enclosed area of water.
[06:15] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/ObUHXhN.jpg
[06:15] <arko> there we go
[06:15] <nigelvh> Yes, much more accurate.
[06:15] <arko> with todays technology you can track where your message in a bottle goes :P
[06:17] <nigelvh> mmhmm
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[06:35] <arko> web2py.excitedbit.com/ocean_current_predictor
[06:35] <arko> http://web2py.excitedbit.com/ocean_current_predictor
[06:35] <arko> there we go
[06:40] <arko> cleaned it up a bit
[06:40] <arko> now i can work on the part where i get actual data :P
[06:45] <nigelvh> Exactly
[06:45] <nigelvh> I assume excitedbit.com is one of yours?
[06:45] <arko> hahaha
[06:45] <arko> http://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/dataset/OSCAR_L4_OC_third-deg
[06:45] <arko> it's hosted on a jpl site
[06:46] <nigelvh> I wonder how fast the currents change. With a 120 hour latency, that's not exactly "the future"
[06:47] <arko> yeah
[06:47] <arko> this is all new to me
[06:47] <arko> i guess i'll just find out :P
[06:47] <nigelvh> True enough
[06:48] <eroomde> heh
[06:48] <eroomde> i love rss readers
[06:48] <nigelvh> Send one up here to me.
[06:48] <arko> send what?
[06:48] <nigelvh> A floating beacon.
[06:48] <arko> oh
[06:48] <arko> totally
[06:48] <nigelvh> To test your predictor
[06:48] <arko> :)
[06:48] <eroomde> a small little electronics blog i subscribed to that announced the end in 2009
[06:48] <eroomde> a PhD student working on medical devices and instrumentation
[06:49] <eroomde> anyway, a thing popped up saying 'back from the dead' this morning
[06:49] <eroomde> which is great news at it was very good
[06:50] <arko> hehe
[06:50] <arko> morning eroomde
[06:51] <eroomde> morn!
[06:51] <arko> wassup
[06:52] <eroomde> gastrobug still
[06:52] <eroomde> no more detail required
[06:52] <eroomde> but otherwise alright
[06:52] <eroomde> you?
[06:52] <arko> oh no! that sucks
[06:53] <arko> im good
[06:53] <arko> got my dl-fldigi station setup
[06:53] <arko> but it's sad since there isn't anything to pick up
[06:53] <arko> then got this ocean current predictor setup
[06:53] <arko> not bad for like 2 hours of messing around
[06:54] <nigelvh> Man, that sucks!
[06:54] <arko> hell it must be
[06:56] <eroomde> you should fedex a receiver to the uk
[06:56] <eroomde> and stream the audio back
[06:56] <eroomde> then you could play
[06:56] <arko> hahaha!
[06:57] <nigelvh> Yes, fedex a reciever, 3g modem, antenna, and battery all set up
[06:57] <arko> and a tape recorder
[06:57] <eroomde> in a peli case
[06:57] <arko> i have all of those!
[06:57] <eroomde> oh thank god
[06:57] <eroomde> weather improving next week
[06:57] <eroomde> or at least getting warmer
[06:58] <arko> nice
[06:58] <arko> its like perfect here
[06:58] <arko> like always
[06:58] <eroomde> mmm
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[06:58] <eroomde> i am nearer moving than you might realise
[06:58] <arko> did i mention the weather
[06:58] <arko> ?
[06:59] <arko> we have jpl too
[06:59] <arko> it's a pretty cool place
[06:59] <nigelvh> Yeah yeah... Washington has cool stuff too.
[06:59] <arko> good food
[06:59] <arko> washington does have cool stuff
[06:59] <arko> btw, one of my friends is thinking about doing his degree at UW
[07:00] <arko> can i point him your way, i think he had some questions
[07:00] <nigelvh> Yeah, I don't have a degree, but I did spend some time at UW, so I'll answer what I can.
[07:00] <arko> ohh
[07:00] <arko> i thought you were enrolled for some reason
[07:01] <nigelvh> I volunteer with a couple classes.
[07:01] <nigelvh> Not entrolled.
[07:01] <eroomde> inc rockets?
[07:01] <nigelvh> Yep
[07:02] <eroomde> awesome :D
[07:02] <nigelvh> Yep, the rockets and balloons classes
[07:03] <eroomde> that's pretty cool
[07:03] <eroomde> i'd like to do something like that
[07:04] <arko> woah awesome
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[07:04] <arko> oh man, im starting to plan the EU trip
[07:04] <nigelvh> I enjoyed the classes when I was enrolled, so I continue to volunteer
[07:04] <arko> this is going to be insane
[07:04] <M0TVU> Good morning
[07:04] <arko> nigelvh: neato!
[07:04] <arko> was it expensive?
[07:04] <eroomde> a grand tour of everywhere?
[07:04] <arko> morning
[07:05] <nigelvh> Was what expensive?
[07:05] <arko> vOv
[07:06] <nigelvh> vOv?
[07:06] <arko> it's a dude shrugging
[07:06] <nigelvh> I see...
[07:07] <eroomde> well that ended the conversation
[07:07] <arko> haha
[07:07] <arko> im looking forward to breakfast
[07:07] <nigelvh> That happens sometimes.
[07:08] <eroomde> i am having breakfast
[07:08] <arko> mmm
[07:09] <arko> i should sleep now so i can travel time to the future where i can eat breakfast
[07:09] <nigelvh> Haha
[07:09] <nigelvh> someone's rather excited.
[07:09] <eroomde> what are you going to have for breakfast?
[07:09] <arko> going to meet some friends for breakfast at my favorite place
[07:09] <eroomde> ah nice
[07:09] <arko> gotta contact family in austria and coordinate
[07:10] <arko> want to get tickets to eu soon
[07:10] <eroomde> i would like the world to shift into a more breakfast-socialising-accomodating place
[07:10] <arko> and talk to upu
[07:10] <eroomde> i.e., going for brunch with friends before going to work would be allowed
[07:10] <arko> yeah!
[07:10] <arko> so my new schedule allows that
[07:10] <eroomde> i guess it's allowed now but there is still the expectation that clients can call you up at 9
[07:10] <arko> we all have class later in the day
[07:10] <eroomde> maybe i should say they can only talk to me in afternoons
[07:10] <arko> so we are getting bfast at 9 or 10ish
[07:10] <arko> then class
[07:11] <arko> then working on projects
[07:11] <arko> then work the next morning
[07:11] <arko> good times
[07:11] <arko> rinse and repeat
[07:11] <arko> dude
[07:11] <arko> clients calling early in the morning
[07:12] <arko> is the worst, i usually feel better answering after coffee
[07:12] <eroomde> i have a customer whose finance department rings up constantly, despite me saying that i'd really only like to take calls for importnant stuff and that 99% of problems can wait half a day for my to reply by email
[07:12] <eroomde> they say 'well, it's important to us'
[07:12] <eroomde> usually just asking what our reference number for a proforma is or something. which i'm sure they don;t need
[07:14] <arko> >_<
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[07:18] <arko> ok, time to do research on eu, either google or watching euro trip, one way or another i'll figure this out
[07:18] <arko> bbrrb
[07:20] <eroomde> be right back right right baby right back
[07:24] <arko> man
[07:24] <arko> i totally know that whole "well, it's important to us" thing
[07:24] <arko> >_>
[07:25] <arko> we're software engineers, not tech support!
[07:25] <arko> bah
[07:26] <eroomde> it's always important to them
[07:26] <eroomde> just tell them adjectives are for idiots
[07:26] <eroomde> give it the importance a value from 1-10
[07:26] <eroomde> tell them you can only call above 8
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[07:27] <arko> they will say 11
[07:27] <eroomde> tell them the contract value increases by 30% unless the distribution of requests you receive follows a normal distribution
[07:27] <arko> lol
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[07:39] <cuddykid> morning all
[07:39] <cuddykid> go pro for some reason is refusing to turn on.. not a good sign!
[07:40] <cuddykid> replacing battery has done the trick thankfully :)
[07:42] <costyn> cuddykid: you're launching today right?
[07:42] <cuddykid> costyn: planning to
[07:43] <cuddykid> wind is bad here
[07:43] <costyn> steve is also launching again I read
[07:43] <fsphil> baked beans?
[07:43] <cuddykid> skies are grey too :( was nice and clear yesterday
[07:43] <costyn> fsphil: haha
[07:43] <cuddykid> lol
[07:43] <costyn> snowing (again!) her
[07:43] <costyn> here
[07:43] <fsphil> we had summer yesterday
[07:43] <costyn> when will the madness end!
[07:43] <cuddykid> predictions have held pretty much constant
[07:43] <fsphil> all down hill from here
[07:44] <costyn> we have only ourselves to blame ... effects of global warming if you ask me
[07:46] <M0TVU> 11 weeks time the dark nights start drawing in again
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[07:51] <costyn> M0TVU: well thanks for the downer :(
[07:52] <M0TVU> lol
[07:52] <costyn> actually, I don't care... moving to the carribean in july for 3 years, so nanananana!
[07:53] <M0TVU> Really? - I have a house there.
[07:53] <costyn> we're going to Curacao... where's your house at?
[07:53] <M0TVU> Ooops sorry still asleep I was dreaming
[07:53] <costyn> hehe
[07:53] <M0TVU> How the other half live eh
[07:54] <M0TVU> Be lucky to get to bognor for a couple of days...
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[07:56] <M0TVU> off to other computer back in a bit
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[08:00] <fsphil> might drop in sometime costyn :)
[08:09] <costyn> fsphil: you'd be welcome... we'll have a house big enough for guests
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[08:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Nathan Bookham "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN45 - Thurs 4th."
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[08:17] <nbookham> Morning all
[08:18] <fsphil> morning nbookham
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[08:18] <nbookham> Does anybody know what time XABEN1 will launch today?
[08:19] <fsphil> steve doesn't rush these things, anytime between 11:00 and 13:00
[08:19] <nbookham> A balloon just appeared on my map!
[08:19] <nbookham> Ok, cheers. This will be my first tracking session!
[08:19] <fsphil> that's a test
[08:19] <fsphil> I'll delete that in a minute
[08:20] <nbookham> Ok
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[08:21] <M0TVU> Back again
[08:21] <fsphil> M0TVU: you're appearing on the map. can you test offline today :)
[08:21] <M0TVU> oops sorry
[08:22] <fsphil> with three payloads it's going to get busy today
[08:22] <nbookham> on dl-fldigi, when I click on the waterfall, it sets what looks like a min/max. Does that affect tracking?
[08:22] <M0TVU> Er .... Hopefully that's fixed it
[08:23] <fsphil> ta
[08:23] <costyn> fsphil: when are we getting a test spacenearus?
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[08:23] <fsphil> nbookham: the RTTY mode uses two frequencies to transmit data
[08:23] <fsphil> the two lines you see are where fldigi expects them to be
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[08:24] <fsphil> you'll need to click them so they match the real signal
[08:24] <nbookham> Ok, do I set that when I get a transmission. I guess I can see it on the waterfall, is that correct?
[08:24] <fsphil> costyn: not sure
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[08:24] <fsphil> it would be nice
[08:25] <fsphil> nbookham: yea, you'll see the signal appear as two yellow lines
[08:25] <fsphil> hopefully
[08:25] <M0TVU> Red lines on a yellow background in my case
[08:25] <nbookham> On my scanner, what kind of volume level do I want it to be set to?
[08:26] <fsphil> M0TVU: possibly volume too high
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[08:26] <mfa298> nbookham: that might be a case of trial and error. if you're using a line in try normal listening volume
[08:26] <mfa298> if it's a mic input you might need the volume down really low.
[08:27] <nbookham> Cheers, I guess the best way is just to experiment.
[08:27] <mfa298> there's also a volume control on windows for the input level which you might want to adjust (it's usually hidden away somewhere)
[08:28] <M0TVU> even with it turned down they are two red lines an a yellow background
[08:28] <nbookham> I've turned that up to max, then I can just use the radio's control.
[08:28] <nbookham> That's what i've got.
[08:29] <mfa298> you might also find the listen to this device feature useful if you can't hear the audio directly from the radio.
[08:29] <M0TVU> Oh I see it turns yellow when you mouse over exactly
[08:31] <nbookham> This is what I get: http://oi49.tinypic.com/b5qtlx.jpg
[08:31] <fsphil> I have my volume set to something similar to this: http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/guides:dlfldigi4.jpeg
[08:31] <fsphil> yea that's too loud
[08:32] <fsphil> is your receiver in FM mode or USB?
[08:32] <fsphil> also don't use fldigi's RTTY option, use USB
[08:32] <fsphil> and turn SQL off (bottom right)
[08:32] <nbookham> I'm just using a line in, so should I use FM
[08:33] <fsphil> the actual radio needs to be USB
[08:33] <fsphil> in fldigi, the mode should be the same
[08:34] <nbookham> Sorry, so I just select USB?
[08:34] <fsphil> even though it doesn't control the radio, it tells it which way to expect the two frequencies
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[08:34] <fsphil> yep
[08:34] <fsphil> both the radio and fldigi
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[08:34] <fsphil> I'm assuming your radio can do USB on 434mhz?
[08:35] <daveake> "USB" is Upper Side Band - nothing to do with the USB port (your comment about using "line in" made me wonder if that caused some confusion)
[08:35] <fsphil> aah
[08:35] <fsphil> indeed
[08:35] <nbookham> I've just realised that *Doh*!
[08:36] <nbookham> It don't have a mode to switch it to USB, it's just a scanning receiver
[08:36] <daveake> oh :(
[08:36] <nbookham> Does that mean it won't work?
[08:36] <fsphil> if it only does FM then you can't use it for this
[08:36] <daveake> What scanner? Some do have USB though it's rare
[08:37] <nbookham> A handheld NetSet Pro 44. I also have another desktop model in the cupboard.
[08:38] <fsphil> AM/FM from the looks of it
[08:38] <nbookham> I guess
[08:38] <nbookham> It does UHF and VHF
[08:39] <daveake> Those are the wavebands; AM/FM/USB/LSB are modes
[08:39] <daveake> So we'd need UHF and USB/LSB
[08:39] <costyn> nbookham: what about the desktop model?
[08:40] <daveake> and without those sadly it won't work
[08:40] <nbookham> Nooooooooo!
[08:40] <nbookham> I'll have a look at the other one. Give me a mo!
[08:41] <cuddykid> shouldn't have to travel too far today :) http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=f990dffee404f95dbfa6bb215145184b20104f05
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[08:44] <M0TVU> Does anyone have any good designs for a small 70cm yagi before I dig out the ARRL handbook?
[08:44] <fsphil> I just bought one :)
[08:44] <nbookham> It's a Realisic PRO-2022. And I have a funny feeling it won't work
[08:44] <M0TVU> bought one?
[08:45] <fsphil> yep, with monies
[08:45] <M0TVU> I have loads of aluminium rod here fsphil - I can't bring myself to buy one
[08:45] <Brace> I found one of these Baofeng dual band transcievers on ebay the other day, anyone used on (I have a Ham callsign)
[08:45] <costyn> nbookham: doesnt seem like it, can't find anything on google that says it will
[08:46] <fsphil> yea google is telling me AM/FM for this too
[08:46] <Brace> really regret selling my icom now
[08:46] <costyn> thats an old beast :)
[08:46] <nbookham> That's a shame! Are there any cheep recievers that would do the job?
[08:46] <M0TVU> Baofeng good at what they do. Useless for anything serious
[08:46] <costyn> nbookham: cheapest is a usb (computer usb) DVB-T stick
[08:46] <Brace> M0TVU: could it be used for tracking?
[08:46] <costyn> nbookham: with an amplifier and proper antenna
[08:47] <M0TVU> Brace - No
[08:47] <nbookham> I've got a decent ant with the PRO-44. That looks like it might work
[08:47] <M0TVU> No sideband
[08:47] <Brace> ahhh
[08:47] <costyn> Upu: do you not sell dvb-t sticks any more?
[08:47] <nbookham> Any specific brand?
[08:48] <M0TVU> buy a second hand 817 you'll never regret it
[08:48] <S_Mark> nbookham, http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/the-receiver-and-antenna.html
[08:48] <costyn> nbookham: http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[08:48] <fsphil> second hand 817's are as expensive as new ones :p
[08:48] <nbookham> cheers
[08:48] <GMT> TVU: I made a yagi for 70cms ... length of wood batten, choc-block connectors, old wire coat-hangars ... change out of £5 - cheap enough?
[08:48] <costyn> M0TVU: they're quite expensive
[08:48] <M0TVU> They are now
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[08:49] <M0TVU> It's mad - For what I bought mine new for you can't get a good one 2nd hand
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[08:49] <M0TVU> I do a fair bit of SOTA. I have used all sorts of stuff including the baofeng. The 817 just does what it says on the tin.
[08:50] <M0TVU> In my opinion an excellent radio
[08:50] <fsphil> it is that
[08:50] <costyn> gosh... 2nd hand NDs go for $500 on ebay
[08:50] <fsphil> and I'll never part with mine
[08:51] <nbookham> I've found the list of device that supposedly work. Which one is the best.http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sdr_tracker
[08:51] <M0TVU> I used an Elecraft KX3 the other day - nice but the extra cost wow! - and no VHF UHF module yet. Sorry just too expensive for the 1/2 an S point.
[08:52] <gonzo_> they are only going to offer a 2mtr module aren't they?
[08:52] <M0TVU> rumours are both
[08:53] <costyn> nbookham: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/New-Style-FM-DAB-USB-DVB-T-RTL2832U-R820T-w-MCX-antenna-/170942168690?pt=UK_Computing_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item27ccf27e72
[08:53] <nbookham> Woah! That's cheep!
[08:53] <costyn> nbookham: sorry now in English: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Style-FM-DAB-USB-DVB-T-RTL2832U-R820T-w-MCX-antenna-/170942168690?pt=UK_Computing_Video_Capture_TV_Tuner_Cards&hash=item27ccf27e72#ht_8273wt_1144
[08:54] <nbookham> Will I need an amplifier or another antenna?
[08:55] <costyn> nbookham: yes it is... ordered min on the 21st of march, got it yesterday (3rd) from Hong Kong
[08:55] <M0TVU> nbookham - Find a local club and get yourself an M3 or is it M6 now ham radio callsign. If you go to the radio rallies yo can pick bits up really cheap. Of course you don't need a callsign to go to the rallies.
[08:55] <S_Mark> nbookham, ive been tracking using that link that I have sent you, got a full setup for £60
[08:55] <costyn> nbookham: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=73 you'll want this amplifier as well
[08:55] <S_Mark> portable too, laptop and dongle and aerial
[08:56] <costyn> nbookham: this is the cheapest route to get into listening to HABs
[08:56] <nbookham> Nice
[08:56] <GMT> nbookham: you can also try a company called Cosy Cave (easy to find in Google) in the Channel Islands who sell these 'dongles' and might even arrive quicker than from far east
[08:56] <nbookham> Cosy cave is down!
[08:56] <costyn> nbookham: you'll need a MCX to SMA cable as well between the dongle and the habamp
[08:56] <fsphil> yea I got mine from cosy cave
[08:57] <costyn> yea cosy cave is down for maintenance (lame!)
[08:57] <costyn> nbookham: antenna, depends on what you have now?
[08:58] <nbookham> Thanks for all your help. I'll have to consider as I'll need time to set up, and I'm getting busier recently, so I might not have time for now.
[08:58] <cuddykid> going to give the launch site an inspection to see if it's too windy there
[08:58] <nbookham> daveake: You going to Egham on the 14th?
[08:59] <fsphil> Egg ham?
[08:59] <fsphil> sorry I've nothing more useful to contribute to the current conversation :)
[08:59] <nbookham> http://eghamraspberryjamapril-es2005.eventbrite.com/
[09:02] <daveake> nbookham probably ...was hoping to launch but there are other flights
[09:02] <nbookham> Awesome! I've got a demo prepped - just.
[09:05] <GMT> For dongles you can also get them thru Amazon, just don't pay any more than about £15!
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[09:07] <Maxell> You'd need to get some kind of antenna - or build one yourself. The default DVB-T antenna is crap :-)
[09:07] <GMT> any news on XABEN45 for today, or even HABE/HABEB?
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[09:10] <M0TVU> GMT - I have made quite a few like that.
[09:11] <GMT> TVU: also investigate an 70cms 'Moxon' and something called an 'IOio' - all made with cheap wire, each cost less than £5
[09:12] <M0TVU> Looking through my antenna book at present
[09:13] <M0TVU> My problem is neighbours or i'd be putting up an array :-)
[09:13] <M0TVU> I upset the neighbours a while ago with 4 6 ele jaybeam quads for 2m
[09:14] <M0TVU> They didn't like it :-( or the council
[09:14] <GMT> I just googled them, made some copies of web-pages, and got the bits
[09:14] <cuddykid> hm, very windy but going to give it a shot at the launch site
[09:14] <GMT> cuddy, what time? HAB-ish 11.30?
[09:15] <cuddykid> hopefully, I think it will end up being more 12ish
[09:15] <M0TVU> I have loads of bits lying around. I make an alternative SOTA beam so loads of ally here
[09:15] <S_Mark> cuddykid, windy and rain in the Forest of Dean
[09:15] <cuddykid> started snowing here too :(
[09:15] <daveake> You haven't lived till you've launched in a blizzard :p
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[09:15] <cuddykid> did that last feb (2012) :P
[09:15] <cuddykid> that was awful
[09:15] <daveake> :)
[09:16] <fsphil> yea that's no fun
[09:16] <daveake> This one had a cast of millions (well, 18) dependent on me launching
[09:16] <fsphil> which is why I planned this years launch for March
[09:16] <daveake> Yeah March is always much better ...................
[09:19] <GMT> daveake: any news from that group that launched a hedgehog toy? has it been recovered?
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[09:28] <daveake> Not heard any news no
[09:28] <cuddykid> off to the launch site - later people :)
[09:28] <daveake> good luck :)
[09:29] <cuddykid> cheers - going to need it in this wind!
[09:29] <GMT> try and stay warm!
[09:29] <daveake> Don't overfill; you might get carried away :p
[09:30] <fsphil> getting carried away will cause him to get carried away?
[09:30] <daveake> The HABber my friend will be blowing in the wind
[09:31] <fsphil> please end this flight of fantasy
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[09:32] <S_Mark> cuddykid, bright an no rain here now - not far from your landing site
[09:33] <fsphil> he's gone
[09:33] <S_Mark> lol too late
[09:34] <S_Mark> What's the second transmitter he's testing, whats different?
[09:34] <Maxell> The freqency! :P
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[09:36] <fsphil> xaben's on the map
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[09:37] <willdude123> Good Morning,
[09:37] <willdude123> *.
[09:37] <Maxell> meurning
[09:37] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Morning all
[09:37] <fsphil> good notevening
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[09:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Like the prediction for HABE one day they will land at the take off point!
[09:39] <fsphil> that's my dream flight :)
[09:39] <fsphil> plenty of time for a BBQ
[09:39] <willdude123> xaben's predicted path goes right over my village.
[09:39] <willdude123> Twice infact.
[09:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN45 - Thurs 4th."
[09:40] <willdude123> Oh no, different Oakley.
[09:41] <fsphil> Oakley dokely
[09:42] <willdude123> This is the only true Oakley
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[09:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ugh 434.4 smack in the middle of interference :-( http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/habe/
[09:50] <fsphil> the curse of the license exempt band
[09:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite umm and XABEN is flying at 11.15 as well busy day!
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[10:13] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: 11:15 is quite precise for Steve
[10:13] <costyn> doubt he'll make it :P
[10:13] <fsphil> ISH is assumed :)
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> I know :-)
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> But he does have the balloon out in the field at the moment!
[10:18] <fsphil> this is true, ahead of schedule
[10:18] <willdude123> I couldn't decode recordings of RTTY on windows for some reason, but I can on linux. Would this be the same when I am actually receiving?
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> He's up!
[10:19] <G0DJA> Should I decode HABE or HABEB - decissions decissions
[10:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do them all
[10:19] <fsphil> whichever doesn't break :)
[10:19] <G0DJA> Not enough time to set up second antenna to feed the DVB-T
[10:19] <LazyLeopard> Balloon on its way :)
[10:20] <fsphil> willdude123: not sure what would cause that
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only need 1 I'm feeding three dl-fldigi at the moment from the same setup
[10:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> provided they are all in the same 2MHz band
[10:21] <G0DJA> Just about audible here
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[10:23] <M0TVU> whats the shift etc for xaben
[10:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yesterday it was about 640Hz
[10:23] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Are you using sdr-radio for rx?
[10:23] <craag> With multiple vfos?
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[10:24] <GMT> The shift on XABEN is about 610
[10:24] <cuddykid> problems with the backup tracker - probably won't fly
[10:24] <costyn> cuddykid: darn
[10:24] <M0TVU> 434.250?
[10:24] <GMT> getting signals here, but no decodes yet
[10:24] <cuddykid> will leave it off
[10:24] <GMT> TVU: yes
[10:25] <costyn> cuddykid: ah but flying the main payload?
[10:25] <cuddykid> hopefully - I can't decode the main tracker for some reason - tried rv
[10:25] <G0DJA> dial set at 434.248.55 here
[10:25] <fsphil> not a good sign cuddykid
[10:26] <G0DJA> good decodes - seems to be settling down but occasional interference on freq
[10:26] <M0TVU> Cant hear it :-(
[10:26] <fsphil> give it time
[10:26] <GMT> TVU, you may need to tne up and down a few khz
[10:27] <GMT> TVU: whereabouts are you?
[10:27] <M0TVU> Sutton coldfield with a crap antenna
[10:27] <G0DJA> From Bar Beacon you should hear it!
[10:27] <M0TVU> Not a susage
[10:27] <M0TVU> sausage even
[10:28] <G0DJA> Crap antenna wont help though...
[10:28] <GMT> okay, can you even hear the signal?
[10:28] <GMT> what RX?
[10:28] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/9jcY6nE.png
[10:28] <cuddykid> any ideas?
[10:28] <M0TVU> 817nd
[10:28] <cuddykid> got it
[10:28] <M0TVU> crap antenna though
[10:28] <cuddykid> 7 bits not 8 bits
[10:28] <cuddykid> not sure why that though
[10:29] <G0DJA> 7.020!?
[10:29] <costyn> cuddykid: shift looks off?
[10:29] <cuddykid> all good
[10:29] <fsphil> you should manage something with an ft817
[10:29] <costyn> cuddykid: oh you mean your own payload?
[10:29] <fsphil> even if the antenna is just a 16.4mm wire
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh and the HABE has appeared
[10:30] <M0TVU> It's my 2m antenna on the side of the house
[10:30] <M0TVU> nothing for 70 here yet
[10:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> on the tracker
[10:30] <S_Mark> lets hope it misses the M50/M5 lol
[10:30] <craag> M0TVU: I'm using a 2m slim-jim, working great!
[10:30] <fsphil> M0TVU: oh. it may have a filter
[10:30] <M0TVU> It's a ringo ranger very old
[10:31] <M0TVU> Just serviced it though bank hol monday
[10:31] <willdude123> Seems to be going very close to the prediction.
[10:33] <M0TVU> How weird. I would have thought i'd have heard that
[10:33] <fsphil> worth trying another antenna
[10:33] <fsphil> even in the house
[10:34] <G0DJA> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vygqhnalrtb1b0p/XABEN45.JPG
[10:34] <craag> A bit of wire in the antenna socket on an upstairs windowsill should get you somwthing!
[10:34] <craag> (facing the balloon)
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[10:37] <M0TVU> It helps if you have it switched to the correct antenna socket ....
[10:37] <PE2G> Hi, How is XABEN's signal compared to yesterday?
[10:37] <craag> ah.. working now?
[10:38] <craag> PE2G: Looking just as strong here.
[10:38] <PE2G> Great!
[10:38] <GMT> woohoo, now decoding
[10:38] <fsphil> M0TVU: hah. been there done that :)
[10:39] <M0TVU> What a donkey ... Eeeee oooorrrr
[10:39] <G0DJA> PE2G good signal here and steady
[10:39] <costyn> M0TVU: you're not the first :)
[10:40] <G0DJA> and you wont be the last...
[10:40] <G0DJA> Dial freq here is 434.248.55 MHz
[10:40] <M0TVU> Ok whats the baud/bits
[10:41] <fsphil> if you select the payload from the list in dl-fldigi and hit Autoconfigure
[10:41] <PE2G> G0DJA: Thanks for the dial
[10:41] <G0DJA> That puts the lower trace at 1000Hz
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[10:41] <fsphil> it'll set all the RTTY settings for you
[10:41] <M0TVU> Getting signal and green band but nothing in the decode window
[10:41] <craag> M0TVU: XABEN45 from the Flight dropdown.
[10:41] <G0DJA> I've set the shift to 620Hz which seems best from here
[10:42] <M0TVU> Got it
[10:42] <M0TVU> Thanks ...
[10:42] <fsphil> yea you often need to adjust the rtty shift manually
[10:42] <fsphil> it can change during flight
[10:42] <GMT> TVU, youre on the map display as having decoded it
[10:42] <craag> M0TVU: You're uploading :)
[10:42] <M0TVU> Oooh :-)
[10:42] <M0TVU> lovely
[10:43] <G0DJA> M0TVU will soon join the growing band of people who decode more lines than I do ;)
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[10:43] <M0TVU> I doubt it
[10:44] <mfa298> G0DJA: don't worry you can probably hear things I can't (I've got no chance with flights on the east side of the country.
[10:45] <M0TVU> Is there a way to monitor the rtty without pulling the plug from the 817?
[10:45] <mfa298> M0TVU: there's often a setting in windows to let you listen to the input
[10:46] <G0DJA> mfa298 I'm waiting for the better weather (sic) so I can change polarisation to vertical or put the vertical collinear back up
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[10:46] <M0TVU> Just wondered if there was something in the software
[10:46] <fsphil> M0TVU: if you take the audio from the socket at the back, the radio's own audio isn't muted
[10:46] <fsphil> -'
[10:46] <mfa298> I think you need to bring up the list of audio devices and then configure the input you're using
[10:46] <G0DJA> get/make an audio splitter?
[10:46] <fsphil> M0TVU: but you'd need the proper mini-din cable
[10:47] <mfa298> M0TVU: but ultimately do what fsphil said, use the 6 pin mini din socket on the back of the radio
[10:47] <M0TVU> I have one of those. I made a bigger display with a pic for mine ... i'll make up something for the future
[10:47] <G0DJA> Ah forgot that FT817 does that fsphil and I have a data cable for mine!
[10:48] <G0DJA> Do we know if XABEN is intended to float or go up, burst and come straight down again
[10:48] <GMT> the latter, not a floater
[10:49] <G0DJA> Thanks GMT
[10:49] <mfa298> G0DJA: I'm assuming that it's an up, burst, down flight. that's what they usually do
[10:49] <craag> And as it's steve's, it's probably carrying a fair few gopros, I don't think he would want it to float :)
[10:50] <G0DJA> They certainly seem to have nailed the frequency stability!
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes set and forget very nice
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[10:51] <GMT> the 2-day floater a few weeks ago was also v.stable
[10:51] <G0DJA> Ooops - DL-FLDigi has just crashed
[10:53] <G0DJA> And we're back in the room
[10:55] <fsphil> urg, crash
[10:55] <fsphil> any indication what caused it?
[10:56] <G0DJA> No, but I sent an error report
[10:58] <G0DJA> Group of us seem to get dropped off the decode list at times as well. Some of mine are bad decodes but that many loosing all at once?
[10:58] <GMT> it doesn't show all the callsigns, it cycles around them
[10:59] <PE2G> First successful decode at dx 482 km, alt 14 km. Nice!
[10:59] <PE2G> http://gyazo.com/81adc0e4f1326e4336e7047ac2428d59
[11:00] <G0DJA> Did the small "w" at the start really spoil this decode? w$$$$$XABEN1,373,10:58:57,52,17971,-0.44151,14209*C770
[11:01] <GMT> possible ... I didn't get the 'w'
[11:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> GE Flight path http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN45/
[11:02] <craag> G0DJA: Shouldn't have, only the text between the last $ and the * is checksummed.
[11:02] <G0DJA> Some errors creeping in - saw why that last one failed - got a z in place where a : should have been
[11:03] <G0DJA> craag that's what I thought but it failed for some reason
[11:03] <craag> G0DJA: THeres a comma in the latitude, not a '.'
[11:04] <G0DJA> PE2G your audio input seems a bit high. The little diamond is yellow not green on your picture
[11:04] <G0DJA> AH! thanks craag - I see it now
[11:05] <craag> G0DJA: Probably just a single bit error, annoying that it invalidates so much data, but that's why we have the distributed system :)
[11:06] <PE2G> G0DJA: yes, you're right, I'lll adjust thtat
[11:08] <eroomde> it has the normal reaction to bedford
[11:08] <costyn> can anyone explain whats going on here? http://i.imgur.com/NqDRoMt.png the signal looks strong enough, yet it seems distorted
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[11:08] <costyn> we're using SDR
[11:09] Action: Maxell thinks it's gqrx stressing out. The machine has extreame load due teeamviewer.
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Given its a very stable signal worth reducing the bandwidth and noise a bit
[11:09] <Maxell> gqrx is recieving sampled over the netweork.
[11:09] <PE2G> G0DJA: this is better: http://gyazo.com/671371b633aa4b18e6275f9082541fe8
[11:09] <costyn> Maxell: but why would gqrx be distorting the signal?
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[11:10] <cuddykid> given a dodgy helium cylinder - there is not enough helium in it
[11:10] <cuddykid> extremely slow ascent
[11:10] <cuddykid> backup tracker not on it
[11:10] <GMT> PE2G: that's a lot better, in my display it is mostly blue with yellow where the signal is found
[11:10] <mfa298> costyn: if the cpu is heavily used you might find things stuggle to decode (I found that with dl-fldigi on an old mini-itx pc)
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thats a bugger
[11:11] <cuddykid> majorly slow ascent
[11:11] <G0DJA> 22 monitoring stations just then!
[11:12] <Maxell> costyn: it's very sensative for timing
[11:12] <mfa298> that does look like a slow ascent
[11:12] <G0DJA> Yes PE2G that looks better
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> If your in Windows up the priority for those programs
[11:13] <GMT> HABE prediction has it going down to France!
[11:13] <x-f> cuddykid, do you have a cutdown on it?
[11:13] <mfa298> if you're streaming it over the network you might also find if there's congestion you're loosing packets.
[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> <cuddykid> It might float at this rate 1.5m/s
[11:14] <PE2G> Turned the audio further down: http://gyazo.com/3a682aa911afa04ec27ae7202da8812f
[11:14] <HixWork> Oh no. HABE is looking like HABasque
[11:16] <LazyLeopard> Lots of trackers on XABEN, not so many on HABE.
[11:16] <craag> LazyLeopard: It's not high enough for most of us yet.
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[11:16] <cuddykid> no cutdown :(
[11:16] <craag> I'm listening for it!
[11:16] <LazyLeopard> True.
[11:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its not high enough for many of us to see it yet
[11:16] <G0DJA> Has HABE launched?
[11:16] <cuddykid> yep
[11:17] <cuddykid> nightmare
[11:17] <cuddykid> was horrific launching too
[11:17] <cuddykid> so windy
[11:17] <cuddykid> absolutely no gas left in cylinder
[11:17] <M0TVU> cuddykid - what's the tx freq?
[11:17] <M0TVU> 434.330?
[11:17] <cuddykid> yep
[11:17] <cuddykid> 328
[11:17] <cuddykid> bbl
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[11:18] <G0DJA> Ah - yes it's climbing now
[11:18] <G0DJA> are they using the 434.400 one as well or instead of?
[11:18] <M0TVU> Do I select habe7 from the drop down?
[11:19] <G0DJA> Loathed to swap from XABEN when sigs so good
[11:19] <G0DJA> and as I said that they started to drop
[11:20] <G0DJA> AH! needed to tweek the beam heading
[11:21] <craag> G0DJA: You need habrotate :)
[11:21] <mfa298> looks like HABE has sped up a bit now, prediction has moved back to the UK (for now at least)
[11:21] <M0TVU> I can't hear habe at all
[11:21] <G0DJA> craag - Yes ;)
[11:22] <GMT> I'm waiting for HABE sigs to appear, just out of range at the moment
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[11:23] <HixWork> Cuddykid, sending it to Daveake now?
[11:23] <M0TVU> I'm just up the road and at 1392m I'm suprised
[11:24] <M0TVU> XABEN is still ok when I tune around
[11:25] <daveake> haha
[11:25] <G0DJA> Nothing on 434.400 or 434.330 (tuned up and down a bit) from HABE or HABEB here
[11:25] <LazyLeopard> I'm seeing a very faint RTTY trace with the disl on 434.328, with a shift of 380
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[11:26] <GMT> at the speed its travelling HABE will land sometime tomorrow
[11:26] <LazyLeopard> ...or I was...
[11:27] <G0DJA> Even A-CUD hasn't updated in last few mins
[11:27] <craag> cuddykid: Are you still receiving habe?
[11:27] <daveake> I can't hear it yet but my yagi is pointing ast XABEN and that's 90 degrees to HABE
[11:29] <mfa298> not seeing anything via the FCD+ yet, although I'm not sure if it's over the horizon yet for me
[11:29] <willdude123> Eagerly anticipating a parcel containing a HABamp, FCD and Antenna.
[11:29] <craag> mfa298: Nothing seen here yet.
[11:30] <mfa298> I'm pondering whether to plug the 817 in instead and see if I hear anything.
[11:31] <daveake> I'll shift the aerial
[11:31] <cuddykid> I can hear it - one sec, moving out to garden with yagi
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[11:32] <M0TVU> Still getting XABEN but nothing from HABE
[11:32] <cuddykid> this whole launch is turning out to be a cock up
[11:32] <Upu> both transmitters up ?
[11:32] <mfa298> nothing heard on the 817 either
[11:33] <Upu> back in 20
[11:34] <G0DJA> XABEN very loud here
[11:34] <cuddykid> only 434.33 is up
[11:34] <cuddykid> 434.4 left behind
[11:34] <daveake> Not seeing it
[11:35] <daveake> Aerial pointing straight at it
[11:35] <M0TVU> Nothing here
[11:35] <craag> Still nothing in soton.
[11:35] <cuddykid> altitude 3006
[11:35] <PE2G> XABEN is a bit weaker than it was here, and more fading
[11:35] <LazyLeopard> The very faint RTTY-ish trace I'm seeing has shift about 370, but isn't readable. Is that it, or some other signal?
[11:36] <LazyLeopard> Dial on 434.328.38
[11:36] <G0DJA> Peaking S5 on meter and don't normally get a S reading from balloon flights with horizontal polarisation!
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[11:37] <G0DJA> And that's without a preamp as well
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[11:37] <GMT> I'm within the blue circle, but no sgnal found
[11:37] <cuddykid> LazyLeopard: should be
[11:37] <cuddykid> signal is odd here
[11:37] <cuddykid> (on yagi)
[11:38] <craag> cuddykid: odd how?
[11:39] <GMT> some kind of wierd pulsing
[11:39] <LazyLeopard> 8N1 50baud?
[11:39] <G0DJA> I see G8KNN has gone for a swim again
[11:40] <LazyLeopard> down at 0,0?
[11:40] <Brace> HABE is going to be passing over me pretty much
[11:40] <griffonbot> Received email: Michael Castle "Re: [UKHAS] Digest for ukhas@googlegroups.com - 8 Messages in 4 Topics"
[11:41] <mattbrejza> is this the payload with the stub antenna or standard antenna?
[11:41] <gonzo_> hmmm
[11:41] <craag> Should be the one with the standard, backup was stub on .400 iirc.
[11:42] <mfa298> oh wow, I think this fcd+ might be more sensitive than the 817! I'm getting xaben and I'm not sure I could even hear it on the 817 (same antenna)
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[11:43] <gonzo_> the por+ os a good improvement ovber the rev1
[11:43] <gonzo_> pro+
[11:43] <G0DJA> XABEN still going up at quite a rate
[11:43] <craag> mfa298: They do seem extremely sensitive. 20db preamp and 70cm saw filter builtin.
[11:44] <mfa298> I wasn't expecting it to be better than the 817nd - although it's possible that i just didn't hit the right frequency on the 817 - it's a very weak signal here
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[11:44] <craag> If a local ham transmits nearby though, that's the 817 wins out.
[11:44] <craag> *when the
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[11:44] <mfa298> out of interest what dial frequency are people getting for xaben that's known to be reasonably accurate
[11:45] <cuddykid> very clear now on 32
[11:45] <G0DJA> here it's been steady on 434.248.55
[11:45] <cuddykid> *325
[11:45] <craag> burst
[11:46] <craag> dang, that was a while ago..
[11:46] <G0DJA> I think it's getting a bit too high for my antenna
[11:46] <S_Mark> i can hear habe
[11:46] <craag> S_Mark: are you stratodean?
[11:47] <gonzo_> with a habamp it's not supprising that a FCD beats an 817. Std radios are not actually that sensitive
[11:47] <cuddykid> 434.325 here
[11:47] <S_Mark> yes
[11:47] <craag> S_Mark: Great, can you decode it?
[11:47] <LazyLeopard> LSB or USB?
[11:47] <cuddykid> lsb
[11:48] <S_Mark> not yet! very faint
[11:49] <S_Mark> 300 shift seemed like
[11:49] <craag> gonzo_: I have habamp => fcd pro plus set up here, so got saw filter => preamp => fcd saw filter => fcd preamp :P
[11:49] <craag> or might be filter, preamp, preamp ,filter
[11:50] <mfa298> craag: I'm not sure you have enough pre-amps there!
[11:50] <M0TVU> XABEN still ok here off to find HABE
[11:50] <craag> mfa298: Unfortunately I need the habamp saw filter or it gets overloaded by GB3IW, so have to powerup that preamp as well.
[11:50] <gonzo_> as long as the lna's dont saturate with local noise, a bit of extra gain is not a prob
[11:51] <gonzo_> habamps are lna->saw->radio
[11:51] <gonzo_> otherwise the loss of the filter would cripple the NF of the system
[11:51] <gonzo_> But after the LNA it's ok. As long as the LNA is not saturated
[11:52] <gonzo_> anyone seen habe?
[11:52] <craag> gonzo_: 1st gen habamps are the other way round.
[11:52] <craag> As they were designed to be used on prependicular antennas to 2m tx.
[11:52] <craag> 2nd gen by upu though, do have the lna first.
[11:52] <gonzo_> ah. Recon it would be worth adding the extra LNA up front
[11:53] <cuddykid> dial: 325.95
[11:53] <GMT> HABE, just a very faint signal, not enough to decode; on .325
[11:53] <G0DJA> I think I have a mkI habamp - would it be a good idea to get a new one?
[11:54] <S_Mark> yeah i cant hear it now
[11:54] <M0TVU> Not a sausage
[11:54] <cuddykid> can't get a full decode
[11:55] <craag> G0DJA: Probably not really unless you really want the extra couple of dB for near-horizon tracking.
[11:55] <cuddykid> I can see it clearly on the waterfall
[11:56] <G0DJA> OK craag - I'll put the one I have in the box when I get round to drilling the holes!
[11:57] <mfa298> craag: i think I'm starting to see something on the waterfall that might be HABE. no decodes yet but it sounds like 50bd rtty
[11:57] <willdude123> Upu: Your Google Groups profile picture is scary.
[11:57] <gonzo_> a habamp v1 would be ok with a lna on the front
[11:58] <gonzo_> the extra gain means you can use crappy cable
[11:58] <daveake> cuddykid what freq/shift? Havnig trouble deciding which lines are the right ones
[11:58] <gonzo_> or just move the filter to afterwards
[11:59] <cuddykid> daveake: 434.325 here - shift ~440
[11:59] <gonzo_> no signs of habe here. But that direction is dircetkly into rock for me
[11:59] <daveake> tvm
[12:00] <GMT> is HABe 7N1, 8N1, 7N2, or what?
[12:01] <Upu> I see Habe @ 434.323
[12:01] <Upu> very weak though
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[12:01] <daveake> I've got an FCD wound up to max gain + HABAmp + Yagi pointing the right way and I'm not decoding anything
[12:01] <LazyLeopard> There's a signal at 434.325.6 (spot frequency, NOT dial) that might be one half or the other of a RTTY signal, but other half could be either side, or it could be a stray PSK31 thrown in for confusion...
[12:03] <Upu> what happened to backup cuddykid ?
[12:03] <cuddykid> so odd - I can hear it relatively clearly here - clear solid lines on waterfall but just not decoding properly (cuts out mid-sentence)
[12:03] <cuddykid> Upu: wasn't transmitting properly - and soon as I saw how under filled the balloon was I cut it off
[12:03] <M0TVU> Well this proves what I have always known. Forget any kin of communications to the S/W from my QTH
[12:04] <mfa298> hmmm, I think autoconfigure got the wrong settings for HABE
[12:04] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:04] <Upu> go pro ?
[12:04] <cuddykid> 7 bit
[12:04] <mfa298> needs 7N1
[12:04] <mfa298> getting partials now :D
[12:04] <cuddykid> Upu: yup :( and A570
[12:04] <cuddykid> excellent
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[12:04] <Upu> ouch
[12:05] <HixWork> GMT Habitat says 8N1
[12:05] <mfa298> didn't pass checksum but: $$$$$HABE,319,12:04:23,51.9583186,-3.0054673,6339,19,3*6F0
[12:05] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/6Dud4id.png
[12:05] <mfa298> HixWork, GMT Habitat seems to be wrong
[12:05] <cuddykid> I would have thought it could decode that :S
[12:05] <cuddykid> cheers mfa298
[12:05] <GMT> thanks Hix, just manually changed it to 7n1, now waiting for sig to improve
[12:06] <Upu> looks like you need to turn the gain down cuddykid
[12:07] <cuddykid> Upu: noise of it?
[12:07] <HixWork> does adding more $$ to the sentence give more chance to get a good decode after delay();
[12:07] <M0TVU> Got it VERY weak on 324.15
[12:07] <Upu> make the back ground blue
[12:07] <Upu> not yellow
[12:07] <cuddykid> will try, cheers
[12:07] <cuddykid> clearer here now
[12:08] <cuddykid> much better - cheers upu
[12:08] <HixWork> when testing often sentences were droppped as $$ was missed off at start after a slight drift in between sentences
[12:08] <Upu> the diamond bottom right should be green
[12:09] <cuddykid> decode!
[12:09] <LazyLeopard> HixWork: Any extra pre-amble helps after there's been a gap...
[12:09] <GMT> well done first update for over 30 mins
[12:10] <Upu> as soon as I loose XABEN I'll swing the beam round cuddykid
[12:10] <HixWork> ah oki LazyLeopard I'll add some more to my string
[12:10] <cuddykid> taa Upu
[12:10] <HixWork> small tradeoff for longer sentnce time
[12:10] <Upu> but its very weak from here
[12:10] <Upu> antenna damaged ?
[12:11] <LazyLeopard> HixWork: five or six $s is usually plenty.
[12:12] <HixWork> I'll try 4. I'm going to try and get chrisstubbs to track me from a kite as he's not very far away, should be a reasonable test
[12:12] <mattbrejza> best to have a couple of null characters before the $$s
[12:12] <cuddykid> ah yes, it got damaged on take off - slammed into ground despite me charging across the field when the wind died down
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[12:12] <mattbrejza> ideally UUU <null> <null> $$ id say
[12:13] <S_Mark> just realised where it is, over the black mountains
[12:13] <cuddykid> 7257m altitude
[12:13] <mattbrejza> UUU is 0101010 and so has lots of transitions to help lock on
[12:13] <HixWork> ahh, that's useful to know mattbrejza
[12:14] <mattbrejza> although fldigi might not care so much for bit sync, but might help the afc
[12:14] <HixWork> and null is entered as you typed it <null>
[12:14] <mattbrejza> null is 0x00
[12:14] <HixWork> ah oki, I'll not this all down
[12:14] <mfa298> HABE seems to be a lot weaker here again :(
[12:14] <Brace> S_Mark: yeah, it's just under Waun Fach on the map
[12:14] <HixWork> better, I'll extract the log to my HAB dropbox
[12:15] <Brace> somewhere over the woods
[12:15] <mattbrejza> which is interesting when you try to program it, as 0x00 is end of string in c. However if you enter it as 0x80 and send 7 bits then itll send 0x00
[12:17] <G0DJA> XABEN too weak to decode here now
[12:17] <G0DJA> Any sign of HABE?
[12:18] <mfa298> G0DJA: it's around but seems to be weak signals
[12:18] <Upu> 434.324
[12:18] <mattbrejza> (the reason for sending nulls is that it allows fldigi to identify the correct start bit)
[12:18] <Upu> but very weak
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[12:20] <WillDuckworth> how are the flights going?
[12:20] <Brace> looks like XABEN is down
[12:20] <Upu> HABE is so weak
[12:20] <Brace> in a field again if that posn is right
[12:21] <Upu> it is
[12:21] <Upu> Steve is picking it up from the car
[12:21] <daveake> Lucky Steve is lucky :)
[12:21] <Upu> again
[12:21] <mattbrejza> habe is 8n1?
[12:21] <Upu> zen ballonism
[12:21] <daveake> He is with the wind
[12:21] <G0DJA> seeing something very weak on correct freq and heading but much too weak to decode
[12:21] <Upu> autoconf ia 8N1 mattbrejza
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[12:21] <daveake> er, at one with the wind :)
[12:22] <Upu> lol
[12:22] <mfa298> mattbrejza: i think the autoconf was wrong.
[12:22] <HixWork> 7N1 mattbrejza
[12:22] <HixWork> apparently
[12:22] <mattbrejza> ah :)
[12:22] <M0TVU> Nothing here again. Found it for a few mins then gone
[12:23] <mfa298> I was getting HABE earlier with 7n1 and 460 shift
[12:24] <mattbrejza> habe is at 17dB SNR or so
[12:24] <G0DJA> I make this signal 460 shift as well - changed to 7n1 now
[12:25] <Upu> cuddykid what balloon is it ?
[12:25] <mfa298> getting stronger again now :)
[12:26] <Babs> mattbrejza - can you post a complete string with the nulls and extra $$$ that you recommend if you get a moment? I was having the same issue with FL-digi not locking onto the string promptly enough for it to fully decode - would be good to see one that has been roadtested. Thanks.
[12:27] <mattbrejza> well it changes depending on how im feeling, but something like UUUUnn$$ should be fine
[12:27] <mattbrejza> or even nnnnn$$ if you dont want Us all over the place
[12:28] <mattbrejza> it could be that fldigi has the squetch on too
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[12:28] <LazyLeopard> ...but the UUUs are easier for the tracker to see coming in.
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[12:29] <mattbrejza> on the decoder that i wrote UUUs will be much better than nnn, but for fldigi its just a case of whether you want them showing up really
[12:29] <G0DJA> Ooo - $$$AB that time
[12:29] <S_Mark> sorry had to go back to work so no more stratodean tracker
[12:30] Action: LazyLeopard is getting occasional random characters from HABE
[12:30] <Babs> mattbrejza: As in UUUUnn$$HABE,319,12:04:23,51.9583186,-3.0054673,6339,19,3*6F0 (check digit wouldn't work there, its just a modified c+p from above) ?
[12:30] <G0DJA> Not helping when there's a slow sweeping signal going through as well! (It's not the continual tone on HABE - I can see that as well)
[12:31] <mattbrejza> yea that should be fine Babs
[12:31] <LazyLeopard> ...but its signal is giving the auto-follow trouble 'cos it's so weak.
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[12:32] <Babs> Awesome - thanks
[12:32] <mattbrejza> brb, i hope you insulated your payload well cuddykid as ASTRA doesnt control the radio from fldigi
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[12:35] <cuddykid> not that well insulated - big gaping hole where go pro is :S
[12:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "[UKHAS] Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[12:35] <cuddykid> lol
[12:35] <cuddykid> Upu: Hwoyee 800
[12:37] <cuddykid> extremely faint here now
[12:38] <WillDuckworth> is it one of those stubby antennas?
[12:38] <fsphil> it's doing a hadie:2 :(
[12:38] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: ditched that payload - this one is 1/4 wave but smashed into the ground on take off
[12:38] <WillDuckworth> ouch
[12:38] <cuddykid> WillDuckworth: cylinder only had ~1.7m3 of helium in rather than 3.6
[12:38] <cuddykid> nightmare
[12:39] <cuddykid> was awful trying to launch too - so windy
[12:39] <daveake> 1/64th wave
[12:39] <cuddykid> only just cleared trees
[12:39] <cuddykid> can someone update the live predictor for burst alt ~33km?
[12:39] <daveake> Burst? You're optimistic :p
[12:40] <cuddykid> lol
[12:40] <daveake> floaty float float
[12:40] <cuddykid> have to be
[12:40] <Upu> yeah
[12:40] <cuddykid> that might actually be better - hopefully make it to france rather than ditching in north sea
[12:40] <cuddykid> / belgium
[12:41] <Upu> done
[12:41] <cuddykid> it's got gsm backup - hope that works in foreign countries!
[12:41] <cuddykid> cheers Upu
[12:41] <cuddykid> on a tesco mobile sim
[12:41] <cuddykid> oh poo, hope it floats
[12:41] <cuddykid> unless someone has a sniper?
[12:42] <costyn> cuddykid: bullets don't travel that far
[12:42] <costyn> cuddykid: you need anti-aircraft
[12:42] <cuddykid> true
[12:42] <cuddykid> :P
[12:42] <cuddykid> call the raf
[12:42] <costyn> scramble scramble scrambl!
[12:42] <Brace> cuddykid: it's over the valleys
[12:42] <Brace> there's bound to be someone with an airgun
[12:43] <S_Mark> Brace, lol
[12:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Signal is just about becoming readable here, its clear on the waterefall
[12:43] <Maxell> R.I.P. HABE
[12:43] <S_Mark> Ok, so what's ASTRA? Southampton Uni?
[12:43] <costyn> Maxell: that's not very nice
[12:44] <Maxell> >:D
[12:45] <mfa298> S_Mark: it's on one of the Uni buildings and mattbrejza is usually in control of it
[12:45] <mfa298> it seems to have a good location for a lot of payloads
[12:45] <eroomde> that's not the happiest flight path
[12:45] <S_Mark> Ah cool, yeah working well isnt it
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[12:46] <eroomde> it's flight path goes directly above us
[12:47] <Brace> it's just changed to bursting over Basildon and coming down on land
[12:48] <Brace> fingers crossed
[12:48] <eroomde> still within 1 mile of us
[12:48] <eroomde> overhead
[12:48] <S_Mark> could do with an early burst if you want that gopro back
[12:48] <eroomde> could shoot it down if the flight path takes it to london
[12:48] <Brace> it's got a go pro in it? :(
[12:49] <eroomde> who you gonna call?
[12:49] <Maxell> outch
[12:49] <daveake> Ghostly Signal Busters?
[12:49] <mattbrejza> mclane: do you have a recording of your payload?
[12:51] <GMT> cuddy, what HAB-magic do you use to make it change direction at that exact point? 8-)
[12:51] <eroomde> that's going to be violent as all hell
[12:51] <eroomde> massive sheer in the jet stream there
[12:51] <mfa298> hmmm, there appears to be white stuff falling outside the window.
[12:52] <GMT> same here in London
[12:52] <eroomde> hope the payload can take a bit of a pointing!
[12:52] <eroomde> pounding*
[12:52] <number10> would be great to get a novie as it goes into the jet stream
[12:52] <number10> movie
[12:52] <Upu> how is Astra decoding that on a colinear ? :)
[12:52] Action: mfa298 wonders when the south coast moved oop norf
[12:52] <eroomde> have done number10
[12:52] <eroomde> 1 sec
[12:52] <number10> great
[12:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wow its getting dizzy up there http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/HABE/index.php?ind=1
[12:53] <eroomde> http://vimeo.com/1598522
[12:53] <eroomde> this was in the sheer layer there
[12:53] <mfa298> I just moved my dipole slightly and i'm getting partial decodes again
[12:53] <Upu> $$$HCBE,451\12:52:47,51.6917330,-3.509691,:9769,9,3*12C
[12:53] <mattbrejza> its only a 817
[12:53] <mattbrejza> and a little bit of coax
[12:53] <Maxell> Upu: noes
[12:53] <eroomde> well a bit higher as it was summer
[12:54] <mattbrejza> it is on top of a building though which probably helps somewhat
[12:54] <number10> thats getting thrown around quite a bit
[12:54] <Upu> its very windy up north
[12:54] <number10> I am sure steve is trying to land a balloon on me
[12:55] <Upu> wow look at that turn around
[12:55] <Upu> that wasn't subtle
[12:56] <daveake> Maybe it caught site of Port Talbot
[12:56] <daveake> sight
[12:57] <S_Mark> is cuddykid chasing?
[12:57] <cuddykid> S_Mark: no - going to leave it for now
[12:58] <costyn> why has HABE got so few listeners? Something wrong with the payload?
[12:58] <costyn> cuddykid: did you really send your new go pro with it?
[12:58] <fsphil> very weak signal
[12:58] <cuddykid> not going to risk travelling all the way only for it to ditch in the sea or go to belgium
[12:58] <cuddykid> costyn: yup
[12:58] <costyn> cuddykid: ouch :(
[12:58] <cuddykid> yeah, the antenna got smashed on takeoff - it was rough to put it nicely
[12:59] <costyn> cuddykid: ah yes, been there done that
[12:59] <cuddykid> hopefully it will land on land (fingers crossed!)
[12:59] <x-f> why there be dragons on the spacenear.us logo?
[12:59] <cuddykid> got a gsm backup in it too
[12:59] <fsphil> hah
[12:59] <costyn> cuddykid: if it lands in Belgium I'll go look for it
[12:59] <cuddykid> cheers costyn
[12:59] <Upu> ahah someone noticed :)
[12:59] <Upu> <3 x-f :)
[12:59] Action: fsphil stops the timer
[12:59] <cuddykid> i spotted that earlier
[13:00] <x-f> heh, but why? :)
[13:00] <Upu> because spacenear.us moved hosts in the night
[13:00] Action: costyn doesn't see it
[13:00] <Upu> and to remind me which was which I changed the logo to have a tiamat dragon in the back ground (server = tiamat.habhub.org)
[13:01] <x-f> oh, clever
[13:01] <Upu> bottom left costyn where it says powered by spacenear.us
[13:01] <costyn> looks like the regular earth balloon to me
[13:01] <Upu> hmm your DNS hasn't updated
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> almost looks like it caught a wind in the valley!
[13:01] <mfa298> I've only just got the dragon after forcing a refresh
[13:01] <costyn> Upu: ah
[13:01] <costyn> mfa298: tried that
[13:01] <costyn> mfa298: didn't work
[13:02] <costyn> ah, now finally
[13:02] <GMT> heavy snow in London - me no likee!
[13:02] <GMT> siga from HABE now improving
[13:02] <fsphil> sunshine here... for now
[13:02] <Upu> yeah agreed
[13:02] <S_Mark> this is good that its just hanging around in the valleys
[13:02] <Brace> it's getting blown around in a little circle around the valleys
[13:02] <Upu> just as local QRM starts
[13:03] <S_Mark> more chance of uk landing
[13:03] <fsphil> which transmitter is still going?
[13:03] <fsphil> flying even
[13:04] <cuddykid> fsphil: backup is here on the ground only 434.33 is flying
[13:06] <fsphil> not hearing it, but not unexpected
[13:06] <eroomde> wow look at that track
[13:07] <eroomde> that would have violent as all hell
[13:07] <Upu> woo decode
[13:08] <eroomde> that's just the projection in 2d of what would be some very 3d spirals
[13:08] <mattbrejza> welcome to the club Upu
[13:08] <Upu> I have you now
[13:08] <gonzo_> trace of tty but still too weak here
[13:08] <Upu> indeed
[13:08] <mclane> Mattbrejza : I will send one as soon as possible
[13:08] <mattbrejza> :)
[13:09] <cuddykid> still can't believe BOC gave me a bad cylinder!
[13:09] <Brace> have a whinge at them, you might get the money back on the gas at least
[13:10] <daveake> cuddykid You now have 2 receivers :)
[13:10] <Upu> dave got one
[13:10] <Upu> 3
[13:10] <daveake> Sorry was in a meeting
[13:10] <daveake> Just popped up in the loft to aim the yagi better
[13:11] <S_Mark> I was having a dicussion about helium cylinders the other day. Although the cylinder is pressurised, is it even possible to empty tge heluim into the balloon without the air pressure equalising?
[13:11] <fsphil> S_Mark: not without a pump
[13:12] <cuddykid> cheers daveake :)
[13:12] <gonzo_> the pressure in the balloon is only going to be slightky above atmosphereic eventually
[13:12] <cuddykid> ahhh, you know what - the cylinder didn't have the usual cap on - it must have been a used one
[13:12] <mfa298> I seem to be so close to a good decode. but every sentence seems to have an error in it somewhere
[13:12] <fsphil> I'm not even getting a hint of a signal
[13:13] <S_Mark> so how much could you fill realistically, 3/4 of the tank?
[13:13] <craag> Nothing here.
[13:13] <S_Mark> without pump
[13:13] <cuddykid> it's started the great whiz over to the east coast :(
[13:14] <eroomde> i'm not sure it's going 'to' the east coast
[13:14] <eroomde> i think it will fly past it so quickly it'll barely see it
[13:15] <cuddykid> probably
[13:15] <S_Mark> cuddykid, waterproof case on the gopro?
[13:16] <cuddykid> S_Mark: no
[13:16] <cuddykid> naked
[13:16] <cuddykid> horrific consequences
[13:16] <LazyLeopard> ...especially given te blanket of snow clouds over this way...
[13:17] <S_Mark> ah ok, why naked, better images, no fogging?
[13:18] <cuddykid> yup
[13:18] <cuddykid> usually fly them naked
[13:18] <cuddykid> hardly going to be calm seas either like mr josh taylor
[13:18] <cuddykid> just have to hope it floats and heads for belgium or drops early
[13:18] <LazyLeopard> Aye.
[13:19] <Upu> you're ok now F5APQ has it :)
[13:20] <cuddykid> ah excellent - nice work F5APQ
[13:21] <cuddykid> btw Upu - something funny is going on with the other tracker (one I fried the rfm) - it was playing up yday then, changed freq to a different freq and reuploaded code, then worked, but on power on today the problem was back
[13:21] <Upu> whats in the air ?
[13:21] <cuddykid> it's transmitting short bursts and breaking up all the time - also horrific noise coming from it
[13:21] <Upu> RFM ?
[13:21] <mattbrejza> hmm i think its getting too high for me
[13:21] <cuddykid> Upu: yep
[13:21] <Upu> on the plus side its stable :)
[13:21] <cuddykid> left the dodgy board on the ground
[13:22] <cuddykid> yeah, very stable
[13:22] <cuddykid> surprised as theres a big hole in the payload
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[13:23] <mfa298> nice fail on BT's advertising that just came through the door. If I go for their broadband I could get access to the new BT cloud which allows me to backup and share up to 2MB of data.
[13:23] <mfa298> yes a whole 2MB!
[13:24] <cuddykid> lucky you
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[13:25] <craag> mattbrejza: Will the maths building be locked this week?
[13:25] <mattbrejza> probably not
[13:26] <mattbrejza> its not a closure day any more
[13:26] <craag> ah, course not.
[13:26] <cuddykid> where's kim jong un's misiles when you need them - instead of annoying the whole world he could put them to better use by shooting down HABE
[13:26] <craag> Might take a wander with the fcd and see how habe looks from up there.
[13:27] <mattbrejza> dotn suppose you have a yagi?
[13:27] <craag> I do, a 5 ele.
[13:28] <Upu> mattbrejza is that on a colinear ?
[13:28] <mattbrejza> yea
[13:29] <Upu> impressive
[13:29] <Upu> I've even removed my splitter to decode this
[13:29] <mattbrejza> now its getting higher its beginning to get worse though
[13:30] <cuddykid> Upu: thanks for helping decode :)
[13:31] <cuddykid> I thought the guy got the cylinder from the wrong area yday
[13:31] <Upu> more than welcome
[13:31] <cuddykid> usually they get them from the front, this guy went to the back
[13:31] <Upu> you never know it might burst its only an 800
[13:31] <cuddykid> hopefully
[13:31] <Upu> have you run the burst calc on it ?
[13:31] <cuddykid> yep - 33km
[13:32] <eroomde> payload mass?
[13:32] <Upu> inland now btw for that alt
[13:32] <cuddykid> approx 850g
[13:32] <Upu> I think that will burst
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[13:32] <eroomde> as if it was 2m/s ascent like that it might not be particularly filled
[13:32] <cuddykid> as low as 800g, as high as 900g
[13:32] <cuddykid> it's had around 1.7m3 I think
[13:32] <eroomde> and often the ascent rate pics up a bit at higher alts as the shape of the balloon gets stiffer
[13:32] <cuddykid> should have had 3.6
[13:32] <daveake> indeed
[13:32] <cuddykid> hopefully :)
[13:32] <daveake> (indeed it may speed up)
[13:33] <Upu> Helium ?
[13:33] <cuddykid> might be doing a daveake special and having chips whilst watching the tide bring it in
[13:33] <cuddykid> yep
[13:33] <daveake> hah
[13:33] <daveake> It was cold then too
[13:33] <cuddykid> hands were freezing earlier - awful awful launch
[13:33] <eroomde> there's the classical hero of literature way too
[13:33] <cuddykid> guessing the go pro will cease recording around now
[13:34] <eroomde> to stand on a shingle bank on the norfolk coast, saluting out to see as you see a spec drop 1km away
[13:34] <cuddykid> been on since ~11:30
[13:34] <cuddykid> lol
[13:34] <eroomde> sea*
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[13:38] <gonzo_> looks like HABE has cleared the local obstructions for me. Good decodes now
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[13:44] <HixWork> cuddykid, if that predictions holds, I can retrieve after work for you, it's hovering around my neck of the woods
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[13:46] <Babs> Afternoon again - could someone give me a quick pointer about how the inflight predictor works? Is it as simple as taking the current altitude (be it 10, 15km or whatever), ascent rate, plugging in the burst altitude and subbing it all back into http://habhub.org/predict/
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[13:46] <Babs> or is there some whizzo other page that my search skills have failed to locate?
[13:47] <number10> cuddykid: when did yoy realise you were short of gas - was it too windy to tell on filling?
[13:47] <number10> you
[13:48] <cuddykid> cheers HixWork
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[13:48] <cuddykid> number10: yeah, we were all holding it firmly down because of the wind - it wasn't until launch when I noticed
[13:49] <cuddykid> well, it seemed a little odd during filling as it slowed down quickly - then stopped completely (never had that before)
[13:49] <number10> oh thats a shame
[13:49] <cuddykid> yep, no 'new cap' (one you snap off) on either
[13:49] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "[UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[13:50] <number10> thats not good
[13:52] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[13:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[13:53] <fsphil> it's bad when the philip's gang up
[13:53] <craag> heh fsphil
[13:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Objective Movie of the flight path for XABEN45 http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/XABEN45/XABEN45.html
[13:56] <mfa298> If they're changing their minds on lauch location this close to launch I wonder what they're doing about notams.
[13:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[13:56] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN45 - Thurs 4th."
[13:57] <craag> :(
[13:57] <Upu> why oh why oh why
[13:57] <Upu> sigh :/
[13:57] <fsphil> noooo
[13:57] <fsphil> it's not going to work
[13:57] <mfa298> well it's a Uni team, why would they doing something sensible
[13:57] <DanielRichman> heey
[13:57] <Upu> this is true
[13:57] <daveake> deja vu all over again
[13:57] <cuddykid> ha
[13:57] <Upu> another pile of sharp idea
[13:58] <DanielRichman> I hope they have a notam
[13:58] <mfa298> DanielRichman: I'm ignoring the sensile uni teams that live in this channel.
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> I suspect that a lot think that the extra power makes a difference on 868MHz
[13:58] <mfa298> DanielRichman: I'm guessing if they're deciding to change launch location at this point having just done a site visit they might not have one
[13:59] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: not at the bitrate these modems use
[13:59] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: I doubt they've even thought tht far.
[13:59] <fsphil> it just won't work past a few km
[13:59] <fsphil> if even that
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> quite and the data speed that last used - assuming the recording was correct - it was a joke!
[14:00] <craag> These guys will probably be using exactly the same.
[14:01] <Upu> updating wind predicitons
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Did anyone hear if they recovered that second flight the other week ?
[14:02] <daveake> No they haven't
[14:02] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - HABE 7 - Thurs 04/04"
[14:03] <mattbrejza> https://twitter.com/marsballoon Geoff-G8DHE
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[14:03] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[14:05] <Upu> latest winds loaded up
[14:05] <Upu> still in land
[14:05] <cuddykid> excellent - thanks
[14:05] <cuddykid> over £500 worth of stuff on board
[14:06] <number10> oh - worth me popping out for a drive ;)
[14:06] <daveake> with chase car app off :p
[14:07] <cuddykid> lol
[14:07] <M0TVU> What's the comms for habe again? 7n1?
[14:07] <cuddykid> yep
[14:07] <M0TVU> baud?
[14:07] <cuddykid> 50
[14:07] <Upu> 8n1
[14:08] <Upu> sorry
[14:08] <cuddykid> Upu: really? I had to change the autoconfig to 7n1
[14:08] <Upu> 7N1
[14:08] <cuddykid> not sure why though - it worked fine using autoconfig yesterday during testing :S
[14:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Heron "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[14:09] <M0TVU> It's very weak with me but I found it again
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right I thought it was 8n1
[14:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> and now it decodes
[14:10] <cuddykid> definitely need a cutdown on the next flights
[14:10] <cuddykid> not having this again!
[14:12] <M0TVU> This can't be you ....
[14:12] <M0TVU> I'm seeing something on 434.322 very weak
[14:13] <Upu> 434.323Mhz 7N1 shift is 470
[14:13] <Upu> signal is much better now than it was
[14:13] <M0TVU> It's drifting all over the place though
[14:13] <Upu> that either isn't it or its your end as its rock solid here
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[14:15] <M0TVU> It's getting better
[14:16] <cuddykid> ascent has picked up a little
[14:16] <M0TVU> S/W is a no no from my QTH
[14:16] <M0TVU> Once it moves further east I hope to track it better
[14:17] <cuddykid> ground speed is picking up
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[14:21] <S_Mark> going to fly over this http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/02/night-sky-photos-2.html in a minute
[14:21] <S_Mark> shame its cloudy
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[14:27] <cuddykid> the only way is essex clearly
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[14:31] <Upu> whats battery life cuddykid ?
[14:32] <cuddykid> 4AAs - should be well over 24hrs
[14:32] <Upu> yeah easily
[14:32] <HixWork> or the channel, dependin on the blip that keeps showing it over the coast
[14:32] <cuddykid> probably over 48hrs
[14:32] <cuddykid> definitely an 'on the edge of the seat' flight!
[14:32] <HixWork> if that prediction holds up, it should be very easy for me to retrieve (subject to total avoidance of Epping Forest)
[14:33] <cuddykid> this was mean to be a relatively easy one too
[14:33] <cuddykid> :D
[14:33] <cuddykid> certainly been on a tour of the UK
[14:33] <cuddykid> got it's moneys worth
[14:33] <HixWork> maybe the april fools predictors werent really a joke :)
[14:34] <cuddykid> :P
[14:34] <cuddykid> love how it plans on travelling over 100miles in 30mins
[14:39] <cuddykid> ah, thought we were on UTC, makes sense now
[14:44] <M0TVU> Lost it again :-(
[14:44] <M0TVU> I haven't managed a decode yet
[14:45] <mfa298> M0TVU: I think that's a popular club to be in. I've had lots of very close sentences but I don't think I've managed a decode
[14:47] Action: craag is now setup in a high building, but can't see it. What's the dial freq again?
[14:47] <M0TVU> 434.322
[14:47] <M0TVU> at this end but i'm really struggling
[14:48] <cuddykid> swinging north
[14:48] <GMT> I'd love to be 'struggling' I'm getting 'nothing'
[14:48] <M0TVU> I almost had a sentence then
[14:49] <Brace> the prediction has gotten a lot better since I last looked
[14:49] <cuddykid> yeah
[14:49] <Brace> which is good
[14:49] <cuddykid> ascent rate is v slowly increaasing
[14:49] <cuddykid> tempted to head out - but HixWork has chelmsford region covered I think :)
[14:50] <cuddykid> if it drops near high wycombe I'll go
[14:50] <cuddykid> pulling NE which is good :)
[14:51] <M0TVU> Getting a much better signal now
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. Here, too.
[14:51] <HixWork> back to me
[14:51] <LazyLeopard> It got a lot more solid shortly after it turned this way...
[14:52] <GMT> if it drops bnear High Wycombe I'll race Cuddy to it
[14:52] <cuddykid> it will take me ~2hrs to get to High Wycombe from here
[14:52] <GMT> getting decodes now, not complete, but the first stuff since 11.30am
[14:52] <GMT> it will take be 25 mins to H/W
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[14:52] <cuddykid> still too much of a risk though to head out now incase it doesn't pop
[14:53] <GMT> the wind at low-level is from the east, so once it gets down low it will start heading back westwards
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[14:54] <Geoff-G8DHE__> signal strength dropped suddenly then ?
[14:55] <GMT> yes
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[14:55] <M0TVU_> Back again. - Its certainly drifting all over the place for me
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[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE__> Drifting downards 100Hz/min or so
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[14:56] <cuddykid> yeah, so much for being on 434.33 :P
[14:57] <M0TVU_> Battery?
[14:57] <cuddykid> should be fine for days
[14:57] <M0TVU_> During testing I saw that when the battery was dying
[14:57] <cuddykid> I would expect it to transmit at least until tomorrow evening
[14:57] <M0TVU_> I have no idea - newbie never done this
[14:58] <M0TVU_> I take my hat off to those that have
[14:58] <cuddykid> should really hook up some wires to monitor batt voltage
[14:58] <cuddykid> but wasn't anticipating a long flight
[14:58] <M0TVU_> It's definately drifting though
[14:58] <mfa298> woot! I got a green decode - only taken ~ 3 hours from the first sentence I almost got
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[14:59] <S_Mark> whats the procedure for a central london landing?
[14:59] <GMT> it has to pay the congestion charge
[14:59] <M0TVU_> Pray no one eats your go pro - lol
[15:00] <M0TVU_> Funny lot dahn sarf
[15:00] <fsphil> S_Mark: panic
[15:00] <GMT> dunno about 'there be dragons here' on the map, worse in London
[15:00] <craag> mfa298: Nice one.
[15:01] <craag> I can't see it up here, wonder if my yagi's faulty.
[15:01] <M0TVU_> If it would stay in one place long enough I might get a decode ... - lol
[15:02] <mfa298> I've even got it going through a BNC T piece so I could put the 817 on as well - and I dont think that brought much loss in when I tested having it in or not
[15:02] <M0TVU_> Is there a way that dl-fldigi will track the drift like DM-780?
[15:03] <chrisstubbs> is HABE far off 434.330 then?
[15:03] <cuddykid> quite far off
[15:03] <chrisstubbs> i cant see it anywhere
[15:03] <M0TVU_> Oooh this could be it ....
[15:03] <M0TVU_> Ahhh failed
[15:04] <M0TVU_> Very close then
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[15:04] <M0TVU_> $$HABE,786,14:51:43,51.8633910,-1.835984.739,3*1Bq1162!y29<2759,3*014A
[15:04] <GMT> is it far off .330 .... its on about .322
[15:05] <M0TVU_> 321.3 for me and slowly drifting down
[15:05] <Upu> 321.50
[15:05] <mfa298> M0TVU_: dl-fldigi can track the drift but it might need a stronger signal to lock onto
[15:05] <cuddykid> travelling very quick
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[15:06] <M0TVU_> Yeah i think its the weak signal
[15:06] <cuddykid> ~120mph
[15:06] <GMT> do you think it will get higher than XABEN earlier today?
[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> dl-fldigi will follow the tones but it you need a compatible rig to adjust the Rx freq. itself SDR's won't work that way :-(
[15:06] <cuddykid> predictions are for around 33km burst (if it does)
[15:07] <cuddykid> originally planned just under 28km
[15:07] <chrisstubbs> is that outside the limits of the habamp upu?
[15:07] <Upu> wut ?
[15:08] <Upu> is what outside the limits ?
[15:08] <chrisstubbs> 321.5mhz
[15:08] <chrisstubbs> for the 434mhz filter
[15:08] <fsphil> 430-440mhz
[15:08] <chrisstubbs> aha thats why im not getting anything then
[15:08] <Upu> oh sorry thats 434.312
[15:08] <Upu> oh sorry thats 434.321
[15:08] <fsphil> the payload isn't 100mhz out is it?
[15:08] <Upu> its well within
[15:08] <fsphil> phew
[15:08] <cuddykid> on the upside, I've spotted a bug in the iOS app
[15:09] <chrisstubbs> yeah thought 321 was a bit out :P
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[15:15] <chrisstubbs> ok i can hear it now, but far too faint to decode atm
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[15:17] <Upu> my rotator is rotating now
[15:19] <eroomde> what is a rotator when it's not rotating?
[15:19] <daveake> A potential rotator
[15:19] <Upu> unusual for it to move alot during a launch though
[15:19] <Upu> but as this one is now moving quickly @_
[15:20] <Upu> err :)
[15:20] <cuddykid> this one has gone to extremes!
[15:20] <daveake> *ABBA
[15:21] <daveake> Hope it doesn't land at Waterloo
[15:21] <mfa298> I think this is now heading too far east for me to get much more now. which judging by the amount of white stuff outside might be a good thing as I can close the window up
[15:21] <cuddykid> over 30km!
[15:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> the drift seems to have stopped and maybe reversed as well
[15:23] <craag> mfa298: Weather getting worse :P
[15:23] <craag> And I've just got a broken yagi up here :(
[15:23] <navrac_work> whats the dial for habe?
[15:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.322
[15:24] <M0TVU_> Just out of interest - Has anyone toyed witht the idea of a remote controlled either gas release valve or Balloon release?
[15:24] <navrac_work> oh dear - in which case my aerial is broke
[15:24] <cuddykid> as in, uplink to balloon to cut payload away?
[15:25] <craag> M0TVU_: Yes, darkside did a demo of his system at the last ukhas conference.
[15:25] <M0TVU_> Coool
[15:25] <GMT> yay for me, first complete decode of HABE
[15:25] <cuddykid> :)
[15:26] <M0TVU_> I was thinking of uplink whislt building my prototype
[15:26] <M0TVU_> and speaking of UKHAS conference where and when is it?
[15:26] <chrisstubbs> if the landing prediction moves east by 35ish miles i will open my window and let it in
[15:27] <M0TVU_> I've lost it now Geoff
[15:28] <craag> M0TVU_: Not yet determined afaik. There'll be emails on the mailing list when people start to plan.
[15:28] <M0TVU_> I think it's a must attend for me. - lol
[15:28] <cuddykid> come on HABE - give in and burst
[15:28] <M0TVU_> pmsl
[15:29] <M0TVU_> sorry bad language but that was funny
[15:29] <M0TVU_> pray for burst .... - lol
[15:29] <cuddykid> lol
[15:29] <M0TVU_> oooh yeah drift IS moving the other way
[15:29] <M0TVU_> how weird
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Temperature maybe
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> which radio module is it ?
[15:30] <M0TVU_> I have no idea but it's definately evident
[15:30] <mfa298> I think it was drifting a bit on the way up and the drift did reverse as if found different winds
[15:30] <M0TVU_> brb taking daughter to work
[15:30] <cuddykid> rfm22b
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> right
[15:30] <cuddykid> should be heating up now at that alttidue
[15:31] <cuddykid> does look like ascent rate is slowing :(
[15:31] <cuddykid> don't you dare float!
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid is anyone going to collect this?
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> if it lands in the uk?
[15:32] <cuddykid> not sure yet - HixWork say he may depending on where it lands
[15:32] <cuddykid> I'm not chasing
[15:32] <cuddykid> (yet)
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> yeah im in chelmsford, essex
[15:33] <cuddykid> good stuff :)
[15:33] <chrisstubbs> yeah same depending where it is i can go have a hunt for it
[15:33] <cuddykid> get ready with the bow & arrow to shoot it out the sky
[15:36] <WillDuckworth> odds on a floater people?
[15:36] <cuddykid> slowed in the last few minutes - not looking too good
[15:36] <RocketBoy> just powering up the HF laser
[15:36] <cuddykid> :)
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[15:37] <GMT> very odd, considering how close it is to me, hardly any signal at all
[15:37] <cuddykid> I had a Pawan too - should have flown it and it would've burst at 23km!
[15:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> The signal strength is varying for me too, about 30 minute ago great now its hardly decoding anything
[15:38] <daveake> Thought it might speed up (vertically) but it hasn't
[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> just faded out
[15:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> gone even from the waterfall ...
[15:39] <Upu> look at the speed now :)
[15:40] <HixWork> hI chrisstubbs I'm at work in Bas Vegas at the mo, though home is Waltham Abbey / Epping so depending on where it is we can make a call between us
[15:40] <cuddykid> next 10/15mins going to be the moment of truth
[15:40] <HixWork> if that suits you cuddykid
[15:40] <cuddykid> yes please HixWork / chrisstubbs :)
[15:40] <HixWork> nps
[15:40] <chrisstubbs> HixWork yeah ok
[15:40] <HixWork> want it fake tanned then cuddy ;p
[15:41] <cuddykid> lol
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh and now its back quite strong again
[15:41] <cuddykid> it's blue atm
[15:41] <griffonbot> Received email: Nicole Blake "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> its that or it will get filled with drugs and sent off back your way
[15:41] <cuddykid> ha
[15:41] <HixWork> or vagazzled
[15:42] <GMT> due north of me now, and hardly any signal at all, even pointing my beam at it.
[15:42] <chrisstubbs> expected time from burst to landing?
[15:42] <cuddykid> probably 45 mins
[15:42] <cuddykid> to an hour
[15:42] <GMT> typical, type that last msg, then get a clean decode
[15:42] <chrisstubbs> woah its coming in quick, but i still dont have any signal!
[15:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> its got a deep fade on it lasting about 30 seconds
[15:43] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... It's exactly the wrong direction for my antenna. Lots of house ans solar panels in the way...
[15:43] <craag> Sooo theres no 434 tracker on this wusat launch??
[15:43] <GMT> bearing 358 degrees, distance 37kms, of which 32 are straight upwards
[15:43] <S_Mark> m25
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> nope and the 868 was 38Kbps last time the flew .....
[15:44] <chrisstubbs> oo i see it now
[15:44] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: :((
[15:44] <Upu> ascent rate slowing
[15:44] <cuddykid> yeah :(
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> one burst every 4 seconds as well
[15:44] <craag> I would turn up with my real 868 tracker if it wasn't so far away.
[15:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[15:45] <cuddykid> bet alarms are being raised in MI5 or wherever they track such objects
[15:45] <GMT> won't be the first to overfly London
[15:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> ow nearly back to decode strngth
[15:46] <cuddykid> must show up on the radar with the size of the balloon
[15:46] <cuddykid> true GMT
[15:46] <chrisstubbs> autoconfig was wrong ASCII-7
[15:46] <GMT> ballon won't show on radar
[15:46] <chrisstubbs> good decodes here now
[15:46] <costyn> GMT: signals would pass right through I would think?
[15:46] <GMT> correct ... probably wouldn't even detect a mylar balloon
[15:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> curved surface isn't good for radar either
[15:47] <cuddykid> ah good
[15:47] <mfa298> looks like the WUSAT team might have a notam (after the earlier discussion)
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[15:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi all
[15:48] <cuddykid> any moment now..
[15:48] <HixWork> hi Tom
[15:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> someone can approve flight docs ?
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[15:48] <costyn> SP9UOB_Tom: ask on #habhub
[15:48] <GMT> Bang! ... what was that?
[15:48] <chrisstubbs> is HABEB transmitting too, or just HABE?
[15:48] <gonzo_> even a radar reflector would need to be quite big for an ATC radar to see it
[15:48] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: just HABE
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[15:48] <chrisstubbs> ah ok
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[15:49] <cuddykid> breached the 33km barrier
[15:49] <craag> I googled for cattraq, and one of the top results is ChrisH's blogsite, I wonder who's advising them then...
[15:50] <mattbrejza> yea there was a previous email exchange when that was made obvious
[15:50] <GMT> for a cheaper cattraq, take a helium balloon and attach to moggie's tail
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[15:51] <chrisstubbs> is the thick cloud and snow affecting the signal?
[15:51] <cuddykid> damn, slowing right down
[15:52] <costyn> do you think it'll burst or float?
[15:52] <daveake> [13:40] <daveake> floaty float float
[15:52] <cuddykid> hm
[15:52] <daveake> ^^ my considered opinion :p
[15:52] <M0TVU_> Back - Is it still going?
[15:52] <cuddykid> needs to hurry up and decide, running out of UK
[15:53] <costyn> cuddykid: what is the payload weight?
[15:53] <daveake> You might be lucky; it's over 33km now
[15:53] <cuddykid> ~850g
[15:53] <costyn> my bet is on burst then :)
[15:53] <gonzo_> are we betting for hab-points?
[15:54] <costyn> gonzo_: as always
[15:54] <cuddykid> fast running out of land
[15:54] <costyn> anybody calculate the speed it's going east?
[15:54] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid welcome to my world, im supposed to be launching from essex. destination: sea
[15:55] <cuddykid> costyn: it was around 120mph earlier
[15:55] <mattbrejza> some km / short time = very
[15:55] <navrac_work> looks like its burst from that packet
[15:55] <Babs> The predicted landing location as it stays up there is tracking the M25 with uncanny accuracy
[15:55] <Upu> I amended precition to assume 34km burst
[15:55] <cuddykid> cheers
[15:55] <Upu> much less brown trousers
[15:55] <Upu> 34km is good
[15:55] <chrisstubbs> ill give the seppd calc a go
[15:55] <HixWork> Babs its following VFR protocol
[15:55] <HixWork> :)
[15:56] <Upu> burst ?
[15:56] <Upu> sounds wobbly
[15:56] <cuddykid> hopefully
[15:56] <Upu> yep
[15:56] <Upu> its burst
[15:56] <costyn> THAR SHE BLOWS
[15:56] <cuddykid> yes!
[15:56] <navrac_work> dont think so - just getting noisdy decodes
[15:56] Action: costyn high-fives cuddykid
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4Kms/min
[15:56] <chrisstubbs> 24 seconds
[15:56] <chrisstubbs> 0.9482 km
[15:56] <x-f> woo!
[15:56] <cuddykid> excellent - cheers for the tracking guys!
[15:57] <navrac_work> it looks burst though
[15:57] <daveake> <daveake> bursty burst burst
[15:57] <GMT> it aint over yet!
[15:57] <S_Mark> good work
[15:57] <costyn> daveake: oh no you dont
[15:57] <daveake> ^^ I may have edited my opinion there, slightly :p
[15:57] <costyn> daveake: I win this round :P
[15:57] <gonzo_> you chasing?
[15:57] <gonzo_> (the launch team I mean)
[15:57] <costyn> gotta be someone on here thats closer?
[15:58] <Upu> who is NSE ?
[15:58] <chrisstubbs> me
[15:58] <costyn> chrisstubbs: well get in your car then!
[15:58] <Upu> updated prediction
[15:58] <chrisstubbs> ooooh yeah
[15:58] <Upu> 10 miles due north
[15:58] <chrisstubbs> right ill get the mag base
[15:58] <costyn> chrisstubbs: it might just land in your backyard actually
[15:58] <Upu> take it back
[15:58] <Upu> prediction is all over the placde
[15:59] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: can you grab a photo of where it landed etc if you find it? cheers
[15:59] <chrisstubbs> when the lat gets low i will go
[15:59] <cuddykid> thanks
[15:59] <chrisstubbs> domlins not around to be my co driver
[15:59] <Babs> It's not planning to stay long in the Colchester region. Nice to see the 1st example of Artificial Intelligence incorporated into a tracker.
[15:59] <S_Mark> chrisstubbs, practice for next week
[15:59] <chrisstubbs> ;)
[16:00] <costyn> chrisstubbs: if you have a smartphone, turn on the mobile tracker
[16:00] <cuddykid> I'll text the gsm backup and let you know co-ords
[16:00] <Upu> Going to walk the dog back soon
[16:00] <mattbrejza> with the low signal strength ull probably want to be near it when it comes down
[16:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> wow is that drifting upwards!
[16:01] <mfa298> its seems to much prefer that circular car park that goes all the way around london.
[16:01] <costyn> lol
[16:01] <HixWork> what's expected descent time? ~40 mins?
[16:01] <cuddykid> less, about 35
[16:02] <cuddykid> coming down quite fast
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Decode
[16:02] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid, PM
[16:03] <costyn> chrisstubbs: if you get in your car soon, you might see it land
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[16:05] <HixWork> Hmm, I might hit it on the way home if that prediction keeps up on the M25 ;p
[16:05] <costyn> ooh it's *exactly* on the M25 now
[16:06] <HixWork> I'll try and catch it from the moving car - how many HAB points for that ;p
[16:06] <eroomde> less than the number of penalty points you'd also win
[16:06] <costyn> HixWork: 10 million
[16:06] <daveake> 1000 HAB points and 6 more from plod?
[16:07] <eroomde> for once I was the quicker pistol
[16:07] <GMT> the real bummer on that part of the M25 is not enough motorway exits
[16:07] Action: eroomde remembers this moment
[16:07] <cuddykid> lol
[16:07] <HixWork> there is a service road i think
[16:10] <costyn> heading for stapleford airfield
[16:10] <GMT> prediction now showing landing on Stapleford airfield
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[16:12] <HixWork> damn, a lot of the fileds around stapleford are fairly well flooded
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> aha
[16:13] <chrisstubbs> yeah better get the wellies
[16:15] <eroomde> might hit the M11 at this rate
[16:16] <HixWork> HOPEFULLY PASSES IT THEN RECOVERY WILL BE EASIER
[16:16] <HixWork> Ahh sorry CAD mode
[16:16] <HixWork> I've got eVent trousers and jacket but just trainers - gonna get wet muddy feet
[16:17] <GMT> probably the best that I could do would be to get there sometime after 8pm, it will be dark
[16:17] <HixWork> though I have no receiver and just a rubber duck andd dongle/ laptop
[16:17] <HixWork> chrisstubbs, did you make a yagi?
[16:18] <HixWork> ahh, win, I have my tracker in laptop bag so can use that for ublox gps
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[16:18] <HixWork> hopefully they agree with each other
[16:19] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: make sure you have a chasecar app. Its required for our amusement
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> hix i did but i have no sma connectors left to connecto it to the radio :(
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> yeah its on now
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> well trying to get a fix
[16:19] <mattbrejza> :D
[16:19] <cuddykid> chrisstubbs: android or ios?
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> andorid
[16:19] <cuddykid> gotya
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> its on
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> east hanningfield, only like 3 miles out
[16:19] <GMT> and make sure that somebody here knows your mobile number so we can talk you in
[16:19] <chrisstubbs> right screw it im off
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> get some wellies
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> antenna
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> laptop
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> radio
[16:20] <GMT> good luck carruthers
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> anything else i need?
[16:20] <GMT> bottle of wine
[16:20] <willdude123> Hi.
[16:20] <chrisstubbs> lol
[16:20] <HixWork> I'm about to leave, I'll try and chack irc in the car.
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Porters
[16:20] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
[16:20] <GMT> car
[16:21] <GMT> odd how I'm now getting perfect decodes from HABE
[16:21] <eroomde> the churn and shear at the interface between the oppositly moving layers might shake things up a bit
[16:21] <eroomde> and shift the predicted landing spot
[16:21] <eroomde> better hope it's no violet enough to collapse the chute though
[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Me too the signal strength has increased a hell of a lot
[16:21] <eroomde> violent*
[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> reckon screening from cloud ?
[16:21] <GMT> 'churn and shear' ... I think I used to drink in that pub
[16:21] <daveake> was it mauving quickly then?
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[16:22] <eroomde> Geoff-G8DHE: it's still at almost 20000ft
[16:22] <eroomde> so probably still above most of the cloud
[16:23] <GMT> nse-mob is on the map
[16:25] <HixWork> Right I'mm off.
[16:25] <HixWork> try recover this flight
[16:25] <GMT> suggest going to Stapleford airfield
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[16:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes but the signal has to come down thru the cloud between me and itself somewhere
[16:27] <chrisstubbs> hix will see you around, im off too
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[16:27] <chrisstubbs> thats my box
[16:27] <chrisstubbs> mob
[16:28] <cuddykid> HABE braces for it's compulsory spray tan :)
[16:28] <chrisstubbs> keep me updated man
[16:28] <cuddykid> will do
[16:28] <cuddykid> good luck!
[16:28] <chrisstubbs> will go a12, m25 towards ongar
[16:28] <chrisstubbs> and await further instructions
[16:28] <Upu> A113 london road
[16:29] Nick change: chrisstubbs -> csaway
[16:29] <GMT> suggest A12, but turn north on A128, avoid M25
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[16:30] <Chrisstubbs1> Dial?
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> almost back to 434.33
[16:31] <GMT> abt 434.327
[16:34] <costyn> landing soon
[16:34] <G8KNN-Jon> lost it
[16:35] <GMT> gone from here too
[16:35] <G8KNN-Jon> $$4$$HABE,1054,16:34:11,51.690817V0.2405129,79x,10,3*8FE4
[16:35] <cuddykid> in touch with gsm tracker
[16:35] <S_Mark_> it working?
[16:35] <cuddykid> yeah, will request a location in a couple of mins
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[16:36] <Chrisstubbs1> Chase
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[16:36] <cuddykid> waiting for it to text back..
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[16:37] <eroomde> Little End on the A133 looks like the most promising place
[16:37] <eroomde> as there are junctions and presumably places to pull over
[16:38] <cuddykid> got a location
[16:38] <cuddykid> one sec
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[16:38] <Chrisstubbs> Postcode
[16:38] <cuddykid> 1 min
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[16:39] <eroomde> CM5 9PN
[16:39] <GMT> somewhere on (or near) the A113 London Road, south of Chiiping Ongar
[16:40] <eroomde> that'll get you close enough for jazz
[16:40] <Chrisstubbs> Ok cool
[16:40] <Chrisstubbs> Pulled over
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[16:41] <costyn> mobile tracker isn't updating much
[16:41] <GMT> google earth shows plenty of fields in that area
[16:42] <Chrisstubbs> Ok satnav programmed
[16:42] <cuddykid> right, got this, but when I convert, has it in the north sea so I'm doing something wrong
[16:42] <cuddykid> 00013.7287,E
[16:43] <cuddykid> 5140.9797,N
[16:43] <Chrisstubbs> Call me with updates, driving again
[16:43] <cuddykid> will do
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[16:44] <mattbrejza> 51.682N
[16:45] <mattbrejza> 0.2286E
[16:45] <cuddykid> cheers :)
[16:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Tomasz Brol "[UKHAS] Launch annoucement SP9UOB / SR0FLY"
[16:46] <mfa298> cuddykid: I think you're coords put it just north of little end on the A113
[16:46] <S_Mark_> Just off the side of the road
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice field there
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[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> to the West of the village
[16:47] <costyn> anyone have google maps link?
[16:47] <mattbrejza> 51.682995, 0.22881166 more digits
[16:47] <mattbrejza> just put that into google maps ^
[16:47] <cuddykid> thanks mattbrejza
[16:47] <costyn> mattbrejza: got it thx
[16:47] <cuddykid> trees
[16:47] <cuddykid> ahh
[16:47] <costyn> spot on where the preidctor said it would be
[16:47] <S_Mark_> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.682995,0.22861166&hl=en&sll=51.682029,0.228653&sspn=0.068224,0.114841&t=m&z=16
[16:47] <mattbrejza> CM5 9PH Chrisstubbs
[16:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bit close to the trees on the North edge now
[16:48] <cuddykid> look quite big on street view
[16:50] <mattbrejza> well it seems to have landed on a nice grassed area
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[16:50] <costyn> cuddykid: any more texts?
[16:50] <costyn> cuddykid: perhaps slightly differen coordinates?
[16:50] <Morseman> Which one was this?
[16:50] <costyn> cuddykid: otherwise I'd say you're probably ok
[16:50] <cuddykid> one sec, I'll request another
[16:50] <costyn> Morseman: HABE
[16:50] <Morseman> Good grief!
[16:50] <mfa298> google earth would appear to have it just inside the tree line
[16:51] <cuddykid> got a different co-ord
[16:51] <mfa298> cuddykid: I don't suppose you get a height as well ?
[16:51] <cuddykid> 00013.7300,E
[16:51] <cuddykid> 5140.9779,N
[16:51] <mattbrejza> im sure Chrisstubbs should be able to hear it and get a good position if its not obvious when he looks in that field
[16:52] <cuddykid> mfa298: unfortunately not I think
[16:52] <Morseman> That was quite a flight
[16:52] <cuddykid> yep
[16:52] <mfa298> that still looks to be in the same field as the other coords so hopefully it's not in the trees
[16:52] <daveake> Hearing may be the issue because of the signal strength - he may need to get fairly close
[16:52] <mattbrejza> 51.682965, 0.2288333333333
[16:53] <daveake> Any more 3333s?
[16:53] <Morseman> I see I didn't copy it though LOL
[16:53] <mattbrejza> there were a few more i didnt copy daveake
[16:53] <cuddykid> looks safeish
[16:53] <costyn> cuddykid: I think you're ok
[16:53] <cuddykid> fingers crossed
[16:53] <cuddykid> though approaching from North so might not be
[16:54] <S_Mark_> Those trees aren't much ;) https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.682995,0.22861166&hl=en&ll=51.682817,0.230198&spn=0.002132,0.003589&sll=51.682029,0.228653&sspn=0.068224,0.114841&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.68282,0.230309&panoid=LbYtQXA-xB8FZBoLgc1X6A&cbp=12,296.35,,0,1.88
[16:54] <cuddykid> eek
[16:54] <mfa298> google earth has that about 10m from the trees, question is how accurately places are the trees
[16:54] <cuddykid> hexacopter job!
[16:55] <S_Mark_> that is the question lol
[16:55] <S_Mark_> hexacopter with a winch
[16:55] <cuddykid> yeah, worrying that it was coming from the north too, if it had landed in that position it must have been extremely close to tree line
[16:56] <Chrisstubbs> Eta 10m
[16:56] <S_Mark_> we worried about that power/telephone line running through the field too? lol
[16:56] <cuddykid> should be ok, runs by the road
[16:57] <S_Mark_> picture if you can Chrisstubbs, we all been looking out for this all day
[16:57] <S_Mark_> lol
[16:57] <cuddykid> epic flight
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[16:57] <S_Mark_> defo
[16:58] <mfa298> with the direction it was coming in from it looks like the trees might be shorter than the ones by the road
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[16:58] <costyn> mfa298: north
[16:58] <Hix> right heard nothing from car so gone home to get AR8000 and yagi
[16:59] <costyn> Hix: you'll have to be quick, Chrisstubbs is gonna be there in 10
[16:59] <Chrisstubbs> 5
[16:59] <Hix> ah oki
[16:59] <Hix> lemme know if you need a hand
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[16:59] <costyn> you can see the shadow of the google streetview camera if you look north
[17:00] <costyn> http://goo.gl/maps/3kqCe
[17:00] <Hix> what was last lat lon?
[17:00] <Hix> internet is screwed
[17:00] <cuddykid> 51.682965, 0.2288333333333
[17:00] <Hix> cheers
[17:01] <Morseman> That lookslike a 240v single phase spur from the 3 phase line a bit further down the road - hope it's not caught in that
[17:02] <cuddykid> another hex job :)
[17:03] <Morseman> Looks like the 240v spur goes through the trees
[17:04] <Morseman> Probably feeds the farm on other side
[17:04] <Morseman> scrolling along the road can see the wooden poles
[17:06] <Chrisstubbs> I have rtty
[17:06] <Morseman> Yay
[17:06] <cuddykid> :)
[17:07] <Chrisstubbs> Ok I'm at littlebury hall
[17:07] <Administrator__> Chrisstubbs, need me to come over with a yagi?
[17:07] <Chrisstubbs> Where do I go
[17:07] <S_Mark_> Need to go to Church Road
[17:07] <gonzo_> 240V feeds ate often insulated. Though don't take that as gospell!
[17:08] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: go back onto the A113 and turn left onto it
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[17:08] <csltp> 0013.7287
[17:08] <csltp> oops
[17:08] <csltp> $$$$$HABE,92,17:07:34,51.6829550,0.2288358,33,8,3*F8BA $$$$$HABE,93,17:07:58,51.6829560,0.2288354,33,8,3*4DF8
[17:08] <csltp> can you see me on chase car still?
[17:09] <cuddykid> csltp: turn left onto A113 then go for about 800m
[17:09] <csltp> the app crashed on the a12 somewhere
[17:09] <mattbrejza> it reset?
[17:09] <mattbrejza> (the ayload)
[17:09] <cuddykid> csltp: no update
[17:09] <S_Mark_> Yeah you'll pass a farm on your right as you are going south down the A113
[17:09] <Morseman> gonzo belive me *THEY ARE NOT*
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[17:09] <cuddykid> yeah, csltp pull over about 100m on the right after 'bridge farm' on your right
[17:10] Action: mfa298 doesn't believe the current chase car position (unless csltp is going off roading to get there)
[17:10] <cuddykid> (after tree line, which is after what looks like a small stream)
[17:10] <costyn> mfa298: it doesn't update very often
[17:10] <Morseman> I was an electrical engineer with MEB for number of years and most 240/415 volt on wooden poles like that are not insulated - DONT TOUCH!
[17:10] <S_Mark_> (farm has 30mph sign next to it)
[17:11] <mfa298> costyn: the current position seems to be on some grassland so I'm guessing no lock
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[17:11] <gonzo_> Morseman, I stand corrected
[17:11] <S_Mark_> (you'll see a sign for Stanford Rivers)
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[17:11] <S_Mark_> (Maybe a sign saying fresh eggs)
[17:11] <cuddykid> csltp: after you enter the 30mph zone - go around the bend and pull over on the right after tree line
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[17:12] <cuddykid> joys of google street view - what did we do without it
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[17:12] <S_Mark_> I know!
[17:12] <S_Mark_> looks like you can walk straight onto the field
[17:12] <S_Mark_> this looks easy assuming no 240v and no trees lol
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[17:13] <Chrisstubbs> hello
[17:13] <S_Mark_> hello
[17:14] <Chrisstubbs> I'm on gsm
[17:14] <Chrisstubbs> Am I in the layby on tracker?
[17:14] <Hix> Chrisstubbs: need me to come over with yagi?
[17:14] <Chrisstubbs> chase car
[17:14] <Chrisstubbs> I have good signal on radio thanks hix
[17:14] <Chrisstubbs> are you close?
[17:14] <Hix> ok, let me know if you need
[17:14] <S_Mark_> your car says you are next to m25
[17:14] <fsphil> you got a position Chrisstubbs?
[17:15] <Hix> I'm at J26 M25
[17:15] <S_Mark_> hope thats wron
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[17:16] <Chrisstubbs> bear with
[17:16] <mfa298> Chrisstubbs: you might need to get the phone with the mobile tracker in a better location. it looks like it's using network location rather than gps
[17:16] <S_Mark_> agreed
[17:17] <Hix> some twat has managed to bork the home network, but strangely nobody has done anything today :/
[17:17] <Chrisstubbs> 51.654629 , 0.197339
[17:17] <Chrisstubbs> Is that in the lay by? Or network location still?
[17:17] <cuddykid> motorway
[17:17] <cuddykid> oh no
[17:17] <cuddykid> network location
[17:17] <S_Mark_> looks like network
[17:17] <cuddykid> middle of a field
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[17:18] <Chrisstubbs> daveake what's the app that navigates you to coords
[17:18] <Chrisstubbs> for android
[17:18] <S_Mark_> on ios geosearcher if that helps
[17:19] <mattbrejza> doesnt google maps do it now?
[17:19] <Morseman> Looks like getting closer - need to go south past farm on right
[17:19] <mfa298> Chrisstubbs: looks like we have a better location for you now
[17:19] <S_Mark_> keep going and look for sign Stanford Rivers
[17:19] <S_Mark_> pull in before you get to the houses on the left
[17:20] <willdude123> I hate windows.
[17:21] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: if you have TOmTom nav app you can input coordinates
[17:21] <willdude123> Does anyone know why (except antivirus stuff) windows would not load any pages except google on any browser?
[17:22] <cuddykid> willdude123: no network connection and google is cached?
[17:22] <cuddykid> sometimes happens to me
[17:22] <willdude123> Nope, it's working on linux.
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[17:23] <mattbrejza> you can put directions into google maps, although next time getting an offline map app (*cough* my one) would probably be best
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[17:25] <cuddykid> just spoke to chris - I think he's found the field
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[17:26] <costyn> nice
[17:26] <S_Mark_> good
[17:27] <arko> Yyeessss its breakfast time
[17:27] <arko> time travel was successful
[17:27] <costyn> arko: :)
[17:27] <costyn> arko: you're joining us at the most exciting time
[17:28] <costyn> arko: Chrisstubbs is in a field looking for cuddykid's payload
[17:28] <willdude123> I don't get how IRC is working but I can't get any pages loading on the internet.
[17:28] <arko> Yeah! Was following on twitter
[17:29] <mfa298> willdude123: have you tried different web browsers
[17:29] <arko> Willdude123 aliens
[17:29] <mfa298> also check proxy settings
[17:29] <willdude123> Yep, Yep.
[17:29] <Morseman> cant find geosearcher on Play SWtore - is it Apple only?
[17:29] <willdude123> Pings on command line get a reply.
[17:29] <Morseman> Store - even
[17:29] <costyn> Morseman: can't find it for apple either
[17:29] <daveake> Chrisstubbs Sorry was away ... Ham GPS
[17:30] <willdude123> Reset internet settings.
[17:30] <cuddykid> Chris has found the field :)
[17:30] <willdude123> This is really annoying me now.
[17:30] <costyn> cuddykid: woot
[17:30] <costyn> now if only he had a ustream livestream going :)
[17:31] <daveake> I was just thinking that :)
[17:31] <LazyLeopard> Hope the weather there is better than it is here, or it'll be buried in snow...
[17:31] <cuddykid> hopefully put an end to a mad flight :P
[17:31] <Morseman> I think I have Ham GPS already
[17:31] <daveake> works well
[17:31] <cuddykid> partly cloudy here - better than this morning
[17:31] <LazyLeopard> Actually, I think it may have almost stopped snowing...
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[17:32] <costyn> cuddykid: do you have him on the phone?
[17:32] <cuddykid> just spoke to him yeah
[17:32] <cuddykid> not on the phone atm
[17:32] <costyn> ah
[17:32] <Chrisstubbs> Ok
[17:32] <S_Mark_> ...
[17:32] <costyn> !
[17:32] <Chrisstubbs> blue foil balloon up a tree
[17:32] <mfa298> willdude123: (if it's installed on your pc "telnet hostname 80" and hit enter a couple of times can be a useful test
[17:32] <Chrisstubbs> is that is?
[17:32] <cuddykid> not foil, but payload is blue
[17:32] <costyn> blue?!
[17:32] <HixPad> What's happening
[17:32] <Chrisstubbs> what does the payload look like
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[17:32] <Chrisstubbs> ok that's a. Coincidence
[17:33] <Chrisstubbs> I heard shotgun shots earlier now
[17:33] <S_Mark_> parachute colour?
[17:33] <costyn> wtf
[17:33] <Chrisstubbs> will follow the treeline further
[17:33] <cuddykid> blue styrofoam about 30cm by 30cm - with a plastic rod sticking out one side holding piece of cardboard :P
[17:33] <cuddykid> parachute - green & orange
[17:33] <Chrisstubbs> ok
[17:33] <willdude123> mfa298: Telnet isn't a recognised command
[17:33] <Chrisstubbs> this treeline, is there a road running direcly next to it
[17:33] <Chrisstubbs> or am I on the wrong side of the field
[17:34] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: well a tractor track
[17:34] <mfa298> willdude123: if you're on W7 or W8 it might be a feature you need to install.
[17:34] <willdude123> I am able to use IRC, so I don't know what the problem is.
[17:34] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: tree line should be heading away from road
[17:34] <cuddykid> (to the right)
[17:34] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: on the south side there's Church Road
[17:34] <daveake> willdude123 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc771275(v=ws.10).aspx
[17:34] <cuddykid> and should bend around to the right slightly
[17:34] <costyn> oh livestream would be so useful now :)
[17:35] <daveake> a radio and yagi would too
[17:35] <arko> eroomde: http://www.imgur.com/BOUiuT5.jpeg
[17:35] <Chrisstubbs> Lol
[17:35] <HixPad> I'm on standby, so ping me if you need. I've got memory Map with me and a yagi
[17:35] <willdude123> daveake: That'd be great if my internet was working to open it.
[17:35] <arko> Did you find it Chris?
[17:35] <number10> a handheld walking gps would be better
[17:35] <mfa298> why did MS decide not to include telnet by default - it's such a useful test tool!
[17:35] <Chrisstubbs> intersection between church road and London road
[17:35] <daveake> pkgmgr /iu:"TelnetClient"
[17:35] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: you're on the south side of the field
[17:35] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: on the wrong side :)
[17:35] <willdude123> I have putty, does that work?
[17:35] <Chrisstubbs> ok that's what I needed
[17:35] <cuddykid> yeah, Chrisstubbs - head back up to car
[17:35] <daveake> yes
[17:36] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: until you are just past the buildings on the right side, then stop and get out
[17:36] <willdude123> I've telnetted to google, but nothing is displayed.
[17:36] <cuddykid> need to follow tree line (where entered field) away from road
[17:36] <mfa298> willdude123: you can do the same test in putty but you'll want to set the option so it doesn't automatically close the window
[17:36] <mfa298> willdude123: make sure the port is set to 80 and hit enter a couple of times
[17:36] <willdude123> How?
[17:37] <Chrisstubbs> Lol disaster
[17:37] <cuddykid> oh no
[17:37] <willdude123> mfa298: Pressed enter twice.
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[17:37] <willdude123> Still nothing.
[17:38] <Chrisstubbs> No I was walking there
[17:38] <mfa298> willdude123: Hostname: www.google.com, Connection type: telnet, Port: 80, Close window on exit Never. press open then press enter a couple ot times
[17:38] <Chrisstubbs> back In the cat
[17:38] <Chrisstubbs> car
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[17:38] <costyn> well this is exciting :)
[17:38] <costyn> willdude123: try typing something like GET / and then pressing enter
[17:39] <S_Mark_> when you went into that field were the trees on your right or left
[17:39] <mfa298> willdude123: if that's not connecting it suggests something is blocking outgoing web connections (so it's a lower issue than web browser) - make sure you were using port 80 though!
[17:39] <willdude123> Yep.
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[17:39] <willdude123> Disabling firewall didnn't help
[17:40] <willdude123> HTTPS is on a different port is it?
[17:40] <costyn> willdude123: 443
[17:40] <mfa298> At that point my guesses would be virus (or other malware) - possibly that's been removed since
[17:40] <S_Mark_> 443
[17:40] <willdude123> Should I do a scan?
[17:40] <Chrisstubbs> Old rectory road
[17:40] <S_Mark_> could check your etc/hosts file
[17:40] <Chrisstubbs> am I closer
[17:40] <Chrisstubbs> Map would be useful, can you text me latest coords
[17:41] <willdude123> mfa298: What should I do about that though?
[17:41] <S_Mark_> its in that field between old rectory road and church road
[17:41] <mfa298> that test probably won't work that well for https (unless you can do pki in your head)
[17:41] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: 51.682965, 0.228833
[17:41] <willdude123> So how can I test if https is working?
[17:41] <Chrisstubbs> Can't copy text please
[17:41] <willdude123> What if I boot into safe mode?
[17:42] <mfa298> willdude123: it could be worth a simialr test using an ip rather than a hostname (e.g. 212.58.244.70)
[17:42] <costyn> cuddykid: you have Chrisstubbs phone number right?
[17:42] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: I've text you latest co-ords
[17:42] <S_Mark_> C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts - willdude123 what is in there
[17:42] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: actuallyou're going the wrong way
[17:42] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: old rectory road is further south
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[17:42] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: get back to that bungalow - field entrance is directly opposite
[17:42] <mfa298> the other issues you might have are the router blocking things
[17:43] <mfa298> or some corruption in the tcp driver stack
[17:43] <Chrisstubbs> That's where I was parked
[17:43] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: literally face that bungalow, then walk the complete other way :)
[17:43] <Chrisstubbs> then walk down to the tree line along rectory road?
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[17:43] <cuddykid> so walk away from bungalow into field opposite
[17:43] <Chrisstubbs> or tree line at the back of the field?
[17:43] <cuddykid> tree line runs along a stream
[17:43] <cuddykid> at back of field
[17:43] <S_Mark_> yes
[17:44] <Chrisstubbs> Where is it in the field? The middle?
[17:44] <cuddykid> something like -----|
[17:44] <cuddykid> where | = road
[17:44] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: you don't have a google maps app on your android?
[17:44] <cuddykid> along the tree line - after about 50/100m
[17:44] <cuddykid> just before the treeline bends slightly round to the right
[17:45] <cuddykid> yeah so ---treeline---|road| bungalow
[17:45] <arko> Bahaha
[17:45] <cuddykid> probably won't show up on mobile though
[17:45] <arko> Using ASCII maps
[17:45] <arko> I love rhis
[17:45] <arko> This
[17:45] <cuddykid> lol
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[17:46] <Chrisstubbs> Gsm is so bad
[17:46] <cuddykid> tree line is 90 degrees to road
[17:46] <Chrisstubbs> Tue bungalow is no 65 right?
[17:46] <GMT> it would be a lot easier if we didn't have somebody trying to fix his windows problems!
[17:46] <Chrisstubbs> I passed a few
[17:46] <HixPad> What are latest lat lon I
[17:46] <HixPad> I'll get an os map up
[17:46] <Chrisstubbs> Cheers his
[17:46] <costyn> GMT: indeed
[17:46] <cuddykid> too dark on street view to see
[17:47] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: should have a white fence and inset gate
[17:47] <daveake> Yeah well it is evening now ... :p
[17:47] <cuddykid> separate detached garage
[17:47] <cuddykid> couple of trees in front garden
[17:47] <Chrisstubbs> Cream paint Brown door 3 windows (not including porch)
[17:47] <Chrisstubbs> Wrong bungalow then, I know where you mean now
[17:48] <cuddykid> correct Chrisstubbs
[17:48] <cuddykid> white pillars either side of door
[17:48] <cuddykid> chimney in-between two velux windows :P (with satellite dish attached) haha
[17:49] <arko> I smell a recovery
[17:50] <Chrisstubbs> Found bungalow
[17:50] <fsphil> sorry, that was me
[17:51] <arko> fsphil lol
[17:51] <cuddykid> ok, opposite bungalow should be a tree line leading away from road
[17:51] <Morseman> Looks like wooden footpath sign pointing right way as well
[17:51] <Chrisstubbs> Negative
[17:51] <Administrator__> http://i.imgur.com/O9u6Tmc.png OS Version of them lat lons
[17:52] <HixPad> Top left of the info box is the coord
[17:52] <fsphil> anyone got coordinates from the ground?
[17:52] <cuddykid> ok, Chrisstubbs if you're looking at the house, is there a track to the left of the house?
[17:52] <cuddykid> i.e. no more houses on it's left
[17:52] <HixPad> Chrisstubbs: Can you hear ratty?
[17:52] <HixPad> Heh
[17:52] <HixPad> Rtty
[17:52] <HixPad> Or moley
[17:53] <Chrisstubbs> No there is no track
[17:53] <cuddykid> wrong bungalow then :P
[17:53] <Chrisstubbs> MOT test place to the left
[17:53] <cuddykid> no
[17:53] <costyn> so on the opposite side of the road to the bungalow, there should be a gate leading into a field
[17:53] <Chrisstubbs> But it has pillars and treea
[17:53] <cuddykid> let me have a look on street view
[17:53] <Morseman> Does the bungalow have a garage to the left as you look at it?
[17:54] <S_Mark_> but isnt it in the field opposite the houses?
[17:54] <HixPad> cuddykid: That Imgur I posted is that correct? Could be a difference with google
[17:54] <Chrisstubbs> no garage on the right
[17:54] <S_Mark_> betwee the farm
[17:54] <Chrisstubbs> bugger
[17:54] <gonzo_> is it poss to restart your chase car app so we see an updated posn?
[17:54] <cuddykid> yeah, looks it HixPad
[17:54] <costyn> Chrisstubbs: no way to enter coords into a nav app?
[17:54] <eroomde> it's 7!
[17:54] <Morseman> My streetview is saying 29 London Road
[17:54] <costyn> gonzo_: good idea
[17:54] <eroomde> it's light!
[17:54] <eroomde> we should have best the whole time
[17:54] <Chrisstubbs> Not enough signal
[17:54] <eroomde> bst*
[17:54] <fsphil> eroomde: not sure that would work
[17:55] <HixPad> Chrisstubbs: http://i.imgur.com/O9u6Tmc.png top left of info box should be it
[17:55] <HixPad> Can you open it on phone?
[17:55] <fsphil> so I'm not really following this. is the payload still transmitting?
[17:56] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: try and get back to the 30mph signs saying "stanford rivers"
[17:56] <willdude123> This is weird/
[17:56] <cuddykid> fsphil: correct, it's landed
[17:56] <costyn> fsphil: probably, but we have coords from a gps/gsm tracker
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[17:56] <fsphil> cuddykid: has coordinates been decoded?
[17:56] <fsphil> ooh
[17:56] <daveake> So do you have accurate co-ords or not?
[17:56] <fsphil> backup
[17:56] <Chrisstubbs> Ok
[17:56] <HixPad> I'm trying to find out, I've got laptop memory map radio and yagi in car ready to go
[17:56] <cuddykid> fsphil: yep, we know where it is - just trying to relay that info
[17:56] <willdude123> Some program is blocking port 80 connections on my laptop.
[17:57] <fsphil> what are the coordinates?
[17:57] <gonzo_> did chris not post some coords rxed from rtty when it was on the ground?
[17:57] <daveake> So can't he enter co-rds into a phone or sat nav then follow the arrow?
[17:57] <cuddykid> fsphil: 51.682965, 0.2288333333333
[17:57] <daveake> I'm kinda struggling to understand why it's such a struggle
[17:57] <HixPad> Chrisstubbs: Link to OS here http://i.imgur.com/O9u6Tmc.png
[17:57] <costyn> daveake: me too
[17:58] <eroomde> i think you just specified it to about 0.2mm longitude cuddykid
[17:58] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: yeah, get back to around 29 London Rd
[17:58] <HixPad> Should work on android
[17:58] <cuddykid> eroomde: :)
[17:58] <costyn> daveake: you can enter coords into a google maps app on android too right?
[17:58] <fsphil> yep
[17:58] <daveake> Well I use Ham GPS then I get a nice arrow and distance
[17:58] <daveake> Follow arrow till distance=0 trip over payload sorted
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[17:58] <costyn> heh
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[17:59] <daveake> If it's trickky to get to then a proper GPS with mapping, like the OS one number10 has, is invaluable
[17:59] <GMT> do we actually have an 'on the ground' position, or just a 'last known, near the ground' position?
[17:59] <cuddykid> GMT: on the ground - 51.682965, 0.2288333333333
[17:59] <costyn> GMT: on the ground pos
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[17:59] <costyn> daveake: to be fair, Chrisstubbs wasn't prepared to go chasing
[17:59] <HixPad> I've sent a link to an os daveake can someone txt Chrisstubbs it
[17:59] <daveake> No, sure
[18:00] <fsphil> http://goo.gl/maps/BFqWW
[18:00] <Morseman> Which is in a field, next to a footpath opposite 29 London Road...
[18:00] <fsphil> it's near a line of trees
[18:00] <HixPad> If no joy soon I'm heading over
[18:00] <Chrisstubbs> 29 London road
[18:00] <Chrisstubbs> thank you
[18:00] <Chrisstubbs> will go there
[18:00] <fsphil> actually it must have *just* missed those trees
[18:00] <costyn> HixPad: how far are you
[18:00] <fsphil> it's nowhere near 29 london road
[18:01] <cuddykid> opposite 29 london road
[18:01] <Morseman> Sorry - that's what Google view said
[18:01] <cuddykid> according to Gmaps
[18:01] <HixPad> Costyn prob get there in 30 mins
[18:01] <HixPad> Tops
[18:01] <fsphil> gmaps picks a nearby address (at random it seems)
[18:01] <fsphil> put an @ before the coordinates
[18:01] <daveake> yup
[18:01] <fsphil> the green arrow points ot the payload
[18:01] <arko> Go chrissubbs!
[18:02] <Chrisstubbs> 13 London road is the closest I can park
[18:02] <Chrisstubbs> Ok so facing away from 29 London road
[18:02] <Chrisstubbs> in that field
[18:02] <cuddykid> from google maps, yes
[18:02] <cuddykid> but that 29 is an estimate
[18:03] <fsphil> a bad estimate
[18:03] <Morseman> Wish I could make out the name on the white fence at the front
[18:03] <daveake> yup
[18:03] <cuddykid> should be a cream bungalow - detached garage - track to it's left (when facing it)
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[18:03] <cuddykid> gone down a load of houses and still can't make out an address
[18:03] <fsphil> it's about 200m away from no.29
[18:03] <fsphil> north
[18:04] <S_Mark_> why are we talking houses, I thought it was in that field??
[18:04] <fsphil> S_Mark_: it is
[18:04] <Morseman> We want him to get to the right place oposite the entrance to the field
[18:04] <HixPad> Am I correct in that the footpath to the left of the road, payload is about 200m along that then 200m due suth?
[18:04] <HixPad> On the os I sent
[18:04] <Morseman> HixPad that's what the co ordinates suggest
[18:05] <S_Mark_> well he drove past the farm and the Standford Rivers sign, pull in in small track with cattlegrid and cross the road...
[18:05] <HixPad> Chrisstubbs: Look for a public footpath and go west on it
[18:05] <cuddykid> it's about 200m north of number 6
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[18:05] <fsphil> green arrow at the top of the image: http://i.imgur.com/AfH2rqk.jpg
[18:05] <fsphil> thar be payloads, arr
[18:06] <gonzo_> yep, that bloody big green arrow should be visible. It must be at least 100mtrs long on my map!
[18:06] <HixPad> There's a stream on the OS Chrisstubbs follow that west
[18:06] <costyn> gonzo_: :)
[18:06] <fsphil> hah
[18:07] <daveake> lol
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[18:07] <Chrisstubbs> Stream with dotted green
[18:07] <Chrisstubbs> line
[18:07] <Morseman> The wooden footpath sign should be a give away
[18:07] <HixPad> Yes path follows stream
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[18:07] <Chrisstubbs> I see parachure
[18:08] <Chrisstubbs> parachute
[18:08] <HixPad> Nice
[18:08] <cuddykid> woo!
[18:08] <daveake> woohoo
[18:08] <S_Mark_> wooohoo
[18:08] <cuddykid> in a tree? or on ground?!
[18:08] <daveake> How tall is the tree it's on top of? :p
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[18:08] <Morseman> Yay
[18:08] <GMT> did you bring a chainsaw?
[18:08] <fsphil> there's a powerline in that field
[18:08] <HixPad> I forgot have climbing harness in car too :)
[18:08] <HixPad> And 60m rope
[18:09] <fsphil> prepared for everything
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[18:10] <HixPad> Supposed to climb last night
[18:10] <gonzo_> and a pair of rubber gloves, if the chainsaw is used on those fully straight trees
[18:10] <HixPad> Heh
[18:10] <Chrisstubbs> Got it
[18:10] <fsphil> yay!
[18:10] <Chrisstubbs> perfect
[18:10] <HixPad> Sweet
[18:10] <daveake> woohoo
[18:10] <GMT> well done
[18:10] <cuddykid> nice job!
[18:10] <Morseman> :)
[18:10] <Chrisstubbs> nice one guys heading back to car now
[18:10] <eroomde> congrats Chrisstubbs!
[18:10] <cuddykid> excellent work Chrisstubbs - cheers!
[18:10] <fsphil> Chrisstubbs: shame about the missing gopro *hint*
[18:11] <daveake> lol
[18:11] <cuddykid> lol
[18:11] <eroomde> shame the gopro was missing from it when you found it tho hey?
[18:11] <Chrisstubbs> sent you an MMS cuddy
[18:11] <eroomde> one of those things
[18:11] <daveake> How's the aerial?
[18:11] <eroomde> oh shit i was too slow again
[18:11] <Upu> nice one Chrisstubbs
[18:11] <eroomde> back to being the slow pistol
[18:11] <eroomde> fml
[18:11] <fsphil> sorry ed lol
[18:11] <HixPad> Ketchup ed
[18:11] <mattbrejza> sorted it mclane
[18:12] <Upu> cuddykid you are one lucky soab :)
[18:12] <daveake> hah
[18:12] <cuddykid> haha yeah, very lucky!
[18:12] <fsphil> Chrisstubbs: I've a payload in yorkshire if you fancy a look sometime
[18:12] <WillDuckworth> what's the latest news on the payload?
[18:12] <HixPad> I safe for a pint now ;) cheers Chrisstubbs
[18:12] <mattbrejza> dunno it kinda cancels out considering the half empty cylinder
[18:12] <S_Mark_> good work Chrisstubbs
[18:12] <fsphil> WillDuckworth: recovered
[18:12] <cuddykid> just been recovered WillDuckworth
[18:12] <cuddykid> what a flight!
[18:12] <WillDuckworth> excellent
[18:12] <S_Mark_> lets have a look at that pic!
[18:13] <daveake> Get half your money back ck
[18:13] <cuddykid> this was meant to be one of the easier ones too
[18:13] <cuddykid> haven't received the pic yet
[18:13] <HixPad> Mms around there is gonna be iffy as hell cuddykid
[18:13] <cuddykid> yeah
[18:13] <HixPad> From being there gsm is crack
[18:13] <Chrisstubbs> Ok
[18:13] <HixPad> Cack
[18:14] <Chrisstubbs> give me a payload contents checklist
[18:14] <Chrisstubbs> make sure I have it all
[18:14] <HixPad> No gopro Chrisstubbs ;)
[18:14] <cuddykid> Chrisstubbs: gopro, backup tracker, tracker, A570 (ontop)
[18:14] <cuddykid> those are the main ones I think
[18:15] <GMT> length of string, parachute, more string, burst balloon
[18:15] <Chrisstubbs> yup all there dude
[18:15] <HixPad> Missing helium
[18:15] <cuddykid> excellent!! Thank you Chrisstubbs!
[18:15] <Chrisstubbs> cannon cam was broken off payload tho
[18:15] <GMT> don't forget the string, most important, needed for next flight
[18:15] <cuddykid> lol
[18:16] <S_Mark_> whats happening now, you collecting or posting?
[18:16] <cuddykid> was the plastic rod + laminated card still intact Chrisstubbs ?
[18:16] <GMT> Ebay!
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[18:16] <cuddykid> heh, highest bidder
[18:16] <fsphil> no fair, upu lives up a mountain
[18:19] <Chrisstubbs> Yeah
[18:19] <Chrisstubbs> on the way home now
[18:19] <Chrisstubbs> cuddykid pm me please
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[18:24] <willdude123> Can anyone help me with SDR on an FCD using SDR#?
[18:25] <mfa298> willdude123: how far have you got ?
[18:25] <willdude123> Playing it.
[18:25] <willdude123> But I can't get the frequency.
[18:26] <mfa298> it might be worth tuning to a local radio station first (probably without the habamp connected)
[18:26] <willdude123> Do FCDs let you do that?
[18:27] <mfa298> willdude123: just checking but I think so
[18:27] <mfa298> FCD+ will do that
[18:27] <willdude123> There is no VFO selector in my version of SDR#
[18:27] <daveake> Yes it'll do it
[18:28] <GMT> get a local broadcast station first, then try one of the aviation weather broadcasts
[18:28] <fsphil> FCD will but it just won't sound great
[18:28] <willdude123> I can't tune it.
[18:28] <mfa298> for broadcast fm you'll need to set it to WFM
[18:28] <willdude123> Because there is no VFO selector in my version of SDR#
[18:29] <fsphil> I'm not familiar with that
[18:29] <mfa298> willdude123: if you've got the latest nightly build you can adjust the frequency displayed at the top
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[18:33] <mfa298> willdude123: this is what sdr# looks like with an FM station with my FCD+ http://i.imgur.com/YZWWbgf.jpg
[18:33] <willdude123> I'll get that then.
[18:33] <willdude123> I have the stable.
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[18:34] <willdude123> mfa298: Imgur is blocked by my parental control system.
[18:34] <mfa298> the stable version might have the frequency controls in the side menu somewhere
[18:34] <mfa298> willdude123: can you see stuff on dropbox ?
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[18:36] <willdude123> I get no peaks.
[18:37] <mfa298> what frequency is it tuned to ?
[18:37] <willdude123> 98000000
[18:38] <willdude123> But I can't see any peaks and the pnly value displayed at the bottom of the graph is 98.000mhz
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[18:38] <fsphil> are there any local radio stations on 98mhz?
[18:39] <fsphil> you need to tune to a frequency with a station
[18:39] <mfa298> you might need to tune up and down, an FM station takes up most of the bandwidth the FCD can handle
[18:39] <fsphil> yea
[18:39] <willdude123> I'm trying to think of local frequencies, but I can't zoom out enough to see the peaks.
[18:40] <mfa298> (I'm assuming the FCD has the same 192KHz bandwidth as the FCD+)
[18:40] <fsphil> FCD has 96khz
[18:41] <willdude123> Found one/
[18:41] <mfa298> which probably means an FM station will use the whole bandwidth
[18:41] <fsphil> yea the FCD hasn't got enough bandwidth to decode it properly
[18:41] <fsphil> it'll sound very fuzzy
[18:41] <fsphil> radio stations where they are talking will sound better
[18:42] <willdude123> Interestingly, it only works when the anyenna is in a specific place.
[18:42] <mfa298> willdude123: that could be down to the black magic of rf
[18:42] <willdude123> Any payloads to track?
[18:42] <fsphil> everything is down
[18:43] <mfa298> the antenna UPU made for you isn't ideal for FM but FM is usually strong enough to test with.
[18:43] <fsphil> you might get some audio chatter around 446.050 mhz
[18:43] <fsphil> that's where the little walkie talkies work
[18:43] <fsphil> though it depends on the area
[18:43] <mfa298> the other place you'll find some data is 144.800 (NFM)
[18:44] <fsphil> that depends on the area too
[18:44] <fsphil> 144.800 is dead here
[18:44] <mfa298> but you'll need different software for that
[18:44] <Upu> try find your local 2 meter repeater
[18:44] <fsphil> or 70cm repeater too
[18:45] <Upu> haha like people use 70cms
[18:45] <fsphil> even if nobody is talking, it will transmit an ident very so often
[18:45] <fsphil> I've heard people on 70cm :)
[18:45] <willdude123> AFK dinner.
[18:45] <fsphil> you might occasionally hear the space station on 145.825
[18:47] <mfa298> oooh, looks like there's a new sdr
[18:47] <mfa298> sdr# nightly
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[18:54] <csaway> back
[18:54] Nick change: csaway -> chrisstubbs
[18:54] <fsphil> re
[18:54] <fsphil> well that was fun :)
[18:54] <chrisstubbs> and the award for most uncoordinated balloon recovery goes to
[18:54] <fsphil> lol
[18:55] <fsphil> you where being sent everywhere
[18:55] <chrisstubbs> the house number and road name tied me to the map niceley
[18:55] <chrisstubbs> that was good practice
[18:55] <chrisstubbs> next time i need better means of communication and a decent gps
[18:55] <chrisstubbs> HTC desire hd gps is s***
[18:55] <chrisstubbs> going to go grab my dinner, brb
[18:56] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: I think that's a well deserved dinner
[18:56] <mfa298> well done
[18:56] <costyn> cuddykid: congrats
[18:57] <fsphil> cuddykid: you mentioned earlier you where having trouble decoding the signal before launch. was that the main payload?
[18:57] <costyn> chrisstubbs: good work
[18:58] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - HABE 7 - Thurs 04/04"
[18:59] <fsphil> strand-1 satellite seems to have stopped working
[18:59] <mattbrejza> jonsowman and Randomskk must be distraught
[19:00] <daveake> I bet they could scream :p (sorry)
[19:01] <mfa298> but not in space
[19:01] <mfa298> (or can they, maybe we'll never know)
[19:02] <fsphil> I was looking forward to pics
[19:02] <chrisstubbs> back
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[19:02] <fsphil> that was quick
[19:02] <chrisstubbs> beer and chicken pie
[19:02] <chrisstubbs> its been in the oven for 2 hours
[19:02] <daveake> You didn't need directions to find it then
[19:03] <fsphil> it's to the left of the fridge
[19:03] <fsphil> no my left
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> shut
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> up
[19:03] <daveake> if you're facing the oven
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> lol
[19:03] <fsphil> I'm not sure I'd like to use google glasses after seeing where it thought those coordinates where
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> the cream oven
[19:03] <chrisstubbs> with the blue door
[19:04] <daveake> pay the troll then cross the bridge
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> haha
[19:04] <daveake> your payload is in a maze of twisty passages, all the same
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> ok if i had downloaded ham tracker or whatever it was before that would have been handy
[19:04] <arko> chrisstubbs: congrats dude!!
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> could not get it over GSM
[19:04] <daveake> Ham GPS <-- get this
[19:04] <anerDev> hey hey guys !
[19:04] <chrisstubbs> the OS map was useful, and the house number and road names. "near a tree" was not :P
[19:04] <daveake> lol
[19:04] <fsphil> I said "line of trees" :p
[19:05] <fsphil> lucky it missed those trees from the looks of the satellite photo
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> there were lines of trees everywhere :P
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[19:05] <arko> Nice work. Recover pictures yet?
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> hey domlin
[19:05] <domlin> who am i
[19:05] <domlin> oh
[19:05] <domlin> hey
[19:05] <fsphil> trick question?
[19:05] <chrisstubbs> needed you as co driver dude that was painful
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[19:06] <chrisstubbs> hey anerDev
[19:07] <willdude123> Does the ntx2 need an antenna for local testing?
[19:07] <domlin> i drive into lakes quite often
[19:07] <fsphil> willdude123: nah
[19:08] <willdude123> Right, so now to build the ntx2 ircuit.
[19:08] <mfa298> having two people in the car trying to find a payload helps a lot. Otherwise you end up stopping lots to check IRC/maps
[19:08] <fsphil> yea
[19:08] <Upu> well first you need to work out what value those resistors are
[19:08] <fsphil> I couldn't possibly chase on my own
[19:08] <chrisstubbs> is cuddykid still here?
[19:09] <fsphil> I need someone else to drive
[19:10] <willdude123> Upu: I can determine that from the color code.
[19:10] <mfa298> I can see that three people could be even more useful. trying to follow maps, irc and payload data can still be a lot to juggle (although I was trying to do that with a netbook which makes it even worse
[19:10] <Upu> correct
[19:11] <fsphil> a proper laptop makes it a lot simpler
[19:11] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "Re: [UKHAS] AVA Launch Saturday 6th"
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> i had a proper laptop, but no 3G
[19:11] <fsphil> though I might try using a usb keyboard next time, and hide the laptop somewhere
[19:11] <chrisstubbs> google maps and streetmap would have been awesome
[19:11] <fsphil> just to there's less cables sitting on my lap
[19:11] <fsphil> to/so
[19:12] <mfa298> I've got one of those now - it can actually run sofware. netbooks are good for being lightweight but the small screens and low power are a pain
[19:12] <daveake> I have a touchscreen mounted to the dashboard, and a radio keyboard/trackpad, in the 4x4
[19:12] <fsphil> I've a pico car
[19:12] <daveake> Try and keep all the wires out of the way
[19:12] <willdude123> 2600 ohm?
[19:12] <fsphil> there really isn't anywhere I can hide a computer
[19:12] <mfa298> after todays testing with sdr-radio and the fcd+, I'm not sure I'd need to take anything else now.
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[19:12] <fsphil> mfa298: I had only the fcd+ on my last two flights
[19:13] <daveake> fsphil Uou could probably hide a Pi :)
[19:13] <fsphil> definitely room for a Pi
[19:13] <fsphil> mhmmm
[19:13] <daveake> Always room for a pie
[19:13] <daveake> er
[19:13] <daveake> pi
[19:13] <willdude123> Upu: Are these 2600 ohm?
[19:13] <chrisstubbs> you just have to reinstall the OS every time it goes wrong
[19:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> mention of SDR-Radio ... Is it possible to tune in 10Hz steps or is 100Hz the minimum, ? I can't find anything to reduce the step size but worth asking!
[19:14] <mfa298> need some software to run on a the pi though.
[19:14] <fsphil> I think it depends on the radio Geoff-G8DHE
[19:14] <mfa298> thinking of that though I wonder how well matt's app works on the pi.
[19:14] <fsphil> I know the FCD has limits on how much it can step
[19:14] <mfa298> need a flight to test it ...
[19:14] <chrisstubbs> my recovery video is fantastic
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[19:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> RTL8332U/E4000 but I'll investigate the radio setup screen I was looking more on the Consle I must admit
[19:15] <fsphil> android on the Pi
[19:15] <fsphil> oooh
[19:15] <chrisstubbs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGpgelrBtko
[19:15] <Upu> no will :)
[19:15] <Upu> should be 4k7 and 22k
[19:15] <chrisstubbs> "ohhhh theres the bungalow you were directing me to"
[19:15] <Upu> work out which I need to afk back much later
[19:15] <cuddykid> hi chrisstubbs :)
[19:15] <cuddykid> back
[19:16] <cuddykid> thanks for recovering once again!
[19:16] <fsphil> blair witch style
[19:16] <cuddykid> nice landing position!
[19:16] <chrisstubbs> hahaha
[19:16] <cuddykid> looks like it had a tough landing
[19:16] <fsphil> very good
[19:16] <willdude123> Okay.
[19:17] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: ping for a quick pm
[19:17] <cuddykid> ah, I see where you were now!
[19:17] <Upu> hmm ?
[19:17] <chrisstubbs> haha
[19:17] <chrisstubbs> the MOT place
[19:17] <cuddykid> I can't pm you back for some reason chrisstubbs
[19:17] <willdude123> Upu: I think i've identified them.
[19:17] <cuddykid> let me quit this IRC client and reload it
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[19:17] <chrisstubbs> you said between those two road names, which is where i went :P
[19:18] <chrisstubbs> but obviously wrong field
[19:18] <cuddykid> oh no, me being stupid
[19:18] <willdude123> Upu: I'm really confused.
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[19:19] <willdude123> There are 3 types of resistor.
[19:19] <willdude123> That you've given me.
[19:19] <TKoenig> hey guys, I'm new to the dl-fldigi program and was wondering why dl-fldigi is generating random characters when I don't have it connected to my SDR program
[19:20] <Ciemon> NNO
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[19:21] <Ciemon> Noise coming in througb your mic
[19:21] <bertrik> TKoenig: possibly it's picking up audio noise and trying to decode that
[19:21] <willdude123> Upu: The ones on the strip are 4.7k
[19:21] <TKoenig> is there a way to filter it out so its not interfering with the signal from my VAC
[19:22] <willdude123> I'm still unsure if I've got the right one.
[19:22] <willdude123> Can I test them with an arduino? That's an idea.
[19:24] <Ciemon> TKoenig: try muting your mic to see if that helps.
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[19:26] <chrisstubbs> ping Hix
[19:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ok yes there is a method of tuning in 10/1Hz steps on the SDR-Radio, bit messy but it does work.
[19:28] <TKoenig> can someone explain to me how I calculate what my carrier shift needs to be if I'm operating in the custom RTTY mode?
[19:28] <TKoenig> please
[19:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> You need to set it to the shift of the signal either you know it or watch the two marker lines on the waterfall, as you move the shift slider with the mouse
[19:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN45 - Thurs 4th."
[19:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Sry not a slider click the buttons
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[19:32] <TKoenig> ok thank you!
[19:32] <HixPad> Yo chrisstubbs
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> hey hix
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> cheers for the map, very helpful
[19:33] <HixPad> Howzit goin
[19:33] <HixPad> Nps
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> took about 5 mins to download over GSM though :P
[19:33] <HixPad> OS is your friend
[19:33] <HixPad> Yeah signal round them thar parts is shite
[19:34] <HixPad> Google maps suck compared to OS
[19:34] <HixPad> Think bing zooms into land ranger now too
[19:34] <HixPad> One thing MS did properly. ever
[19:36] <chrisstubbs> yeah i will give them that
[19:36] <TKoenig> I also saw the gqrx program running on macs where when the mouse was dragged over a certain area on the spectrum analyzer, a second audio box would show up on the side so the two spikes could be seen that can't be seen from the normal spectrum analyzer. I was wondering if there was a way to do that in SDR#?
[19:36] <HixPad> One thing I will deffo be using for my recovery is gps linked into memory map
[19:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> <TKoenig> In dl-fldigi you can click the button on the the far lower left it will be either "WF"/"FFT"/"SIG" then you have all three possible views one at a time
[19:39] Nick change: azend -> unrobo
[19:40] Nick change: unrobo -> azend
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> In SDR# you can Zoom the FFT display in a long way and you will see the two spikes asw ell.
[19:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> * well
[19:42] <M0TVU_> Hi all, was HABE found?
[19:43] <mfa298> M0TVU_: yep, it was collected by chrisstubbs
[19:43] <TKoenig> thank you
[19:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> [20:15] <chrisstubbs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGpgelrBtko
[19:43] <M0TVU_> Awsome ....
[19:43] <chrisstubbs> pics to follow soon
[19:43] <TKoenig> Geoff-G8HDE: thank you
[19:43] <chrisstubbs> the girl i spoke to also sais she knew about HABS
[19:43] <chrisstubbs> as the local school does it!
[19:43] <chrisstubbs> small world
[19:43] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Cudworth "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - HABE 7 - Thurs 04/04"
[19:44] <HixPad> Can I offer up a proposal for recovery helpings?
[19:44] <chrisstubbs> go for it
[19:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> <TKoenig> No prob's, I have just switched to SDR-Radio so exploring that myself still ;-)
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[19:45] <TKoenig> is the carrier shift in dl-fldigi the same thing as the filter bandwidth if I'm in USB mode in SDR#?
[19:45] <HixPad> I reckon peeps should adopt a principle of bearing and distance.
[19:46] <HixPad> A std pace is approx 1m and most smartphones have a compass non reliant on GPRS
[19:46] <fsphil> TKoenig: no
[19:46] <fsphil> shift is the distance between the two lines on the waterfall
[19:46] <HixPad> So in conjunction with a look at an os map
[19:46] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening :-)
[19:46] <M0TVU_> So, - Does anyone want a backup transmitter for a future launch - or put anotherway - prototype transmitter seeks balloon for uplifting adventure ....
[19:46] <fsphil> howdy SP9UOB_Tom
[19:47] <fsphil> sneaky M0TVU_
[19:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> all payloads ready for saturday :-)
[19:47] <HixPad> You should be able to guide people fairly accurately
[19:47] <M0TVU_> I think so
[19:47] <M0TVU_> :-)
[19:47] <fsphil> I wish I was launching. it's been too long
[19:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: try to listen @ 50 MHz :-)
[19:47] <fsphil> oooh you're doing 50mhz SP9UOB_Tom?
[19:47] <HixPad> What say ye all? Ukhas std guiding protocol?
[19:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> right
[19:47] <SP9UOB_Tom> 1 Watt output
[19:47] <fsphil> I certainly will
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> hix i was thinking a simalar thing
[19:48] <M0TVU_> Now I can do 50mhz - I have a proper beam for that band
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> nice and straightforward
[19:48] <HixPad> It's the way everything else works in s&r
[19:48] <fsphil> none of my antennas are for 50mhz
[19:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> M0TVU_: sat @9:00 UTC
[19:48] <fsphil> but I'm sure I can make something up
[19:48] <chrisstubbs> if i had an OS map and a bit of time i would have gone to the corssing of the stream and the road and got my bearings
[19:48] <M0TVU_> i'll be listening
[19:48] <fsphil> don't cross the streams
[19:48] <M0TVU_> lol
[19:48] <fsphil> I've heard it's bad
[19:49] <M0TVU_> how bad?
[19:49] <HixPad> Was my theory chrisstubbs find stream go west
[19:49] <mfa298> HixPad: the other useful alternative would be to go for 6fig grid ref (or even 8 fig for the daring)
[19:49] <fsphil> every atom in the universe exploding at the speed of light bad?
[19:49] <mfa298> especially as on android there's an app that has OS maps on it
[19:49] <M0TVU_> Listen! - Don't cross the streams
[19:49] <HixPad> mfa298: Yes yes yes. Unfortunately most people use decimal lat lon
[19:49] <fsphil> love that movie
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[19:50] <chrisstubbs> lat/lon dont convert to OS map grid refs too easily
[19:50] <M0TVU_> Right i gotta go whilst there's still furniture in the house
[19:50] <HixPad> I'm thinking of non GPRS reliance mfa298
[19:50] <chrisstubbs> without the internet at least
[19:50] <fsphil> decimal coordinates are fine
[19:50] <M0TVU_> nite nite
[19:50] <chrisstubbs> night!
[19:50] <fsphil> nite!
[19:50] <HixPad> Distance and bearing from a vrp
[19:50] <mfa298> HixPad: with RMAPS on android you can get OS maps and download an area for offline useage.
[19:50] <HixPad> Best way
[19:51] <M0TVU_> Glad that Habe was found safe and sound .... Even though I never decoded any of it
[19:51] <HixPad> Sure mfa298 but in chrisstubbs case that wasn't going to br practical
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[19:51] <HixPad> People with net can guide using maps giving approx distance and approx bearing
[19:51] <mfa298> true, in this case. although most of the time we didn't know where chrisstubbs was so bearing might have been tricky as well
[19:52] <Brace> did HABE come down ok then/
[19:52] <Brace> ?
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[19:52] <mfa298> Brace: down and collected
[19:52] <HixPad> mfa298: I was referring to a bearing from a vrp such as intersectin of road and stream
[19:52] <willdude123> Can anyone help me link an arduino to an ntx2?
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> brace, yeah i went and recovered it
[19:52] <Brace> great, that's good to hear
[19:53] <chrisstubbs> with about 2 hours of confusing directions on IRC :P
[19:53] <mfa298> HixPad: true that should work.
[19:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: nest launch (end of may) will be @21 MHz :-) You MUST receive it :-)
[19:53] <HixPad> Hey brace, discussing using os maps and distance and bearing
[19:53] <HixPad> For guiding peeps, kinda figure you'll be on my track
[19:53] <HixPad> Pun intended
[19:53] <Brace> heh
[19:53] Action: mfa298 wonders if the conference will need sessions on bearings, and grid references
[19:53] <HixPad> Hos the ice
[19:54] <Brace> well I think that using lat long seems more accurate than using even 6 figure grid refs
[19:54] <HixPad> Would be a good idea mfa298 I'd be willing to help on that
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[19:54] <jigoe> Has anyone here use APM?
[19:55] <jigoe> I have just been looking at using APM on a glider with a high altitude baloon.
[19:55] <x-f> willdude123, have you seen Upu's tutorial on the wiki?
[19:55] <HixPad> Talking about guiding people in blind with no gps or net brace
[19:55] <Brace> ahhh well in that case, yeah that would be handy
[19:55] <mfa298> 6fig grid reference is 100m from what I remember and works with an OS map.
[19:55] <HixPad> Yup
[19:55] <fsphil> SP9UOB_Tom: I definitely have an antenna for 21mhz
[19:55] <fsphil> and the qrm isn't too bad at that frequency
[19:55] <chrisstubbs> 6fig isnt bad, its just a case ofhaving the maps for where it lands
[19:56] <HixPad> Though as chrisstubbs said it took an age to dl a png of a small area
[19:56] <Brace> you can buy them off OS
[19:56] <fsphil> jigoe: what is that?
[19:56] <willdude123> Where do I go from here http://imageupload.co.uk/viewer.php?file=2gckjj2153lkey0bpiaq.jpg ?
[19:56] <willdude123> x-f Yes but I'm a bit stuck.
[19:56] <jigoe> fsphil, It's an auto pilot for rc planes.
[19:56] <Brace> or get online OS maps which you can then print off
[19:56] <HixPad> North north east 300m ;)
[19:56] <jigoe> fsphil, The same one used in James mays program
[19:56] <mfa298> that#s where you need to be prepared in advnace (android, rmaps and select OS maps)
[19:56] <fsphil> you gone through this willdude123? http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[19:56] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, do you have some jumpers or bits of solid core wire
[19:57] <griffonbot> Received email: mclane "[UKHAS] Re: PYSY-4 Launch Pre-Announcement April 6th, 2013"
[19:57] <HixPad> Brace, I was specifically referring to guiding a finder in using just irc
[19:57] <willdude123> chrisstubbs: Yep.
[19:57] <willdude123> Got my resistors also
[19:57] <chrisstubbs> follow the ukhas guite
[19:57] <chrisstubbs> guide
[19:57] <mfa298> NGR would probably be more useful for the person on the ground to give for their location (assuming they can find their location on a map)
[19:57] <HixPad> So for conf, should we think about something on the theme
[19:57] <fsphil> jigoe: certainly would be cool. there's a few people here working with parafoils
[19:58] <HixPad> Ooh foils
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[19:58] <willdude123> chrisstubbs: I'm trying to.
[19:58] <willdude123> There is no pin labelled RX on the diagram.
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> TXD 1
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> RXD1
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> sorry
[19:59] <chrisstubbs> bottom right
[19:59] <jigoe> Yeah well there have been people at university who have done HAB so I may get in touch with them. The main problem I have thought of is that it's impossible to tune it before the launch day.
[19:59] <jigoe> Unless we stick a motor on it, but we don't really need one.
[20:00] <fsphil> technically gliders are not legal from balloon altitudes
[20:00] <HixPad> Nor I suspect motorised foils
[20:00] <jigoe> Really?
[20:00] <willdude123> chrisstubs:Also, which resistors in the image are 22k and which are 4.7k?
[20:00] <willdude123> *chrisstubbs
[20:00] <HixPad> willdude123: Google resistor colour codes
[20:01] <jigoe> Damn that sucks.
[20:01] <HixPad> You'll get a handy chart from image search
[20:01] <fsphil> it does
[20:01] <HixPad> Or blows fsphil
[20:01] <willdude123> And why are there 3 resistors being used?
[20:01] <fsphil> parafoils are sorta parachutes
[20:01] <willdude123> The list of stuff only had 3
[20:01] <willdude123> *2
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> woah 21gb of video on that gopro
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> 3 hrs 42 mins total cuddykid
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[20:03] <chrisstubbs> 1 x 20k resistor
[20:03] <chrisstubbs> 2 x 4.7K resistor
[20:03] <jigoe> fsphil, So it's 100% out of the question then? Caa won't give permission at all?
[20:03] <chrisstubbs> willdude123. sorry ablut the multilines
[20:04] <willdude123> What are the yellow things?
[20:04] <HixPad> jigoe: Pretty much
[20:04] <chrisstubbs> just bits of wire
[20:04] <willdude123> Oh ok.
[20:04] <jigoe> HixPad, How come UKHAS has a glider project listed then?
[20:05] <HixPad> Legacy I believe
[20:05] <jigoe> Ahh k, did they change laws then?
[20:05] <HixPad> cuddykid: Is your man for that
[20:05] <willdude123> I can't really see which is which.
[20:05] <HixPad> I believe they clamped down on wordings, from my forays into the idea
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[20:06] <jigoe> Damn, the ardupilot stuff is so cheap now. £120 for the whole system.
[20:07] <HixPad> Really, where? Including imu?
[20:07] <HixPad> In the uk?
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, follow tthe circuit diagram then
[20:07] <jigoe> http://www.unmannedtechshop.co.uk/ardupilot-mega-apm-2-5-kit.html
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> the blue ones are 4.7 k and yellow 20k
[20:07] <HixPad> Ahh yeah cuddykid got his there, never in stock though
[20:07] <willdude123> I have only got 2 blue ones.
[20:08] <jigoe> In stock atm
[20:08] <willdude123> 2 sets of.
[20:08] <HixPad> Bugger, skint ATM
[20:08] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, http://www.csgnetwork.com/resistcolcalc.html
[20:09] <HixPad> Right oym off now. Laters potatoes
[20:09] <willdude123> They are 5 band though.
[20:09] <chrisstubbs> sorry the yellow one was 4k7. just follow the circuit diagram. i know thats right
[20:10] <chrisstubbs> never works for me
[20:10] <chrisstubbs> laters hix :)
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[20:11] <fsphil> jigoe: parafoil might be ok
[20:11] <fsphil> I'm not too familiar with the rules
[20:11] <fsphil> but it's basically a chute right
[20:11] <chrisstubbs> brb better go de-HAB the car before work tommorow
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[20:13] <willdude123> I've figured out one that's 20k
[20:13] <willdude123> But the rest I can't figure.
[20:13] <domlin> chrisstubbs: did you hit any badgers this time?
[20:14] <jigoe> Umm, fsphil wouldn't that need a motor on for a long period of time though?
[20:14] <jigoe> fsphil, Or couldn't we have a plane and parachute?
[20:15] <jigoe> Parachute down to the legal height then release.
[20:15] <willdude123> Arrgh.
[20:15] <willdude123> I can't find the right resistors.
[20:15] <mfa298> willdude123: for resistors you need to read off the coloured bands and they should give you the value. for five bands I think you get three numbers and then a multiplier (the number of zeros)
[20:16] <willdude123> I found the 22k.
[20:16] <willdude123> But there are no 4.7ks
[20:16] <mfa298> 4.7k will be 4700 ohms so you'll likely have bands for 4 7 0 and x10
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[20:17] <willdude123> Well I'm screwed then, because Upu gave me none like that.
[20:17] <mfa298> the last band usually gives a tollerance (how close to the value it will be)
[20:17] <mfa298> what are the colours you see on the one you're looking at
[20:18] <willdude123> Gold, Goldish Brown, Black, Brown, Brown
[20:19] <willdude123> He's given me 3 types of resistor for some reason.
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[20:19] <fsphil> jigoe: you'd have to be within sight of it even when it's closer to the ground
[20:20] <jigoe> Ahh, that scuppers that then.
[20:20] <fsphil> yea. the only option seems to be unpowered descent
[20:20] <TKoenig> hey I was wondering if we are suppose to format the string in a specific way when we send the image in SSDV string to the radio so dl-fldigi knows it needs to decode an image when its receiving the signal from an SDR
[20:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> <willdude123> serious point have you ever had a colour blindness test ? it took ages once to realise that a person I was teaching the colour code to was colour blind !!#
[20:22] <mfa298> willdude123: the gold band will be the tolerance value (5%) so should be on the right hand side
[20:22] <fsphil> TKoenig: dl-fldigi will detect an ssdv packet automatically
[20:22] <willdude123> Nope I'm not.
[20:23] <mfa298> so you want to match the colours against the colour code chart starting with the brown
[20:23] <willdude123> I have the right ones I think.
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[20:24] <mfa298> if you've not found a good one this looks like a reasonable chart http://www.elexp.com/t_resist.htm
[20:24] <TKoenig> fsphil: I know SSDV takes the jpeg and packetizes in 256 B chunks.but when we are sending it, we are reading in a byte at a time from the output.bin from SSDV and sending that until it has looped through all bytes in output.bin, is this okay?
[20:24] <fsphil> I'm rubbish at reading resistors
[20:25] <willdude123> Now to plug them in. :C
[20:25] <fsphil> TKoenig: that's fine. the only restriction is no gaps during each 256 byte packet
[20:25] <fsphil> you can however transmit stuff between packets
[20:25] <jigoe> I usually just measure them with a multimeter
[20:25] <fsphil> I normally transmit a line of telemetry between the image packets
[20:26] <willdude123> This is so hard.
[20:26] <willdude123> I have a completely different breadboard.
[20:27] <fsphil> the basic idea of every breadboard is the same
[20:27] <willdude123> It's really hard to see where stuff's going.
[20:27] <mfa298> agreed on the use of a MM, for odd resistors that's what I tend to do, reading the codes seems to be one of those things that needs practice and good light
[20:28] <fsphil> the two rows at the top and bottom go horizontally
[20:28] <willdude123> I'm trying to figure where the 20k ohm resistor goes.
[20:28] <fsphil> and the rest are wired vertically
[20:28] <willdude123> It's hell.
[20:28] <fsphil> it's not that bad, just a bit odd at first
[20:29] <fsphil> to connect something to any of the ntx2 pins you only need to put it into the same vertical row
[20:29] <chrisstubbs> are the burst latex balloons supposed to stink of fox wee?
[20:29] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: lol
[20:29] <chrisstubbs> or do i need to throw that payload box away?
[20:29] <fsphil> yea they really do stink
[20:29] <willdude123> So where does the 20k ohm resistor go?
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[20:30] <fsphil> you put one end onto the same row as the ntx2's TXD pin
[20:30] <fsphil> and the other, just put it out somewhere empty for the moment
[20:30] <willdude123> Where is the txd?
[20:30] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:ntx2.png?id=guides%3Alinkingarduinotontx2
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[20:32] <chrisstubbs> woah i can see why there were antenna issues with HABE today. it hit the ground very hard on take off!
[20:33] <willdude123> Got it.
[20:33] <willdude123> Where does it go to?
[20:33] <daveake> Just follow the circuit diagram
[20:33] <x-f> isn't it marked on the Arduino?
[20:33] <willdude123> It doesn't look like it goes anywhere.
[20:34] <willdude123> This is so bloody hard.
[20:34] <fsphil> the RXD1 is just a label. think of it as a shortcut, you'll use it later
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[20:34] <fsphil> the picture futher down on that page is great
[20:34] <willdude123> Isn't it TXD it connects to?
[20:35] <fsphil> it shows almost exactly what you want, on breadboard
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[20:35] <fsphil> one side connects to TXD on the ntx2
[20:36] <fsphil> the other side you'll use later
[20:36] <willdude123> The resistor on TXD goes to an empty space, right?
[20:36] <fsphil> exactly
[20:36] <willdude123> For what purpose?
[20:36] <fsphil> you'll use it later
[20:36] <x-f> "Ascent rate should be about 1 cuddykid (2m/s)", hahaa :)
[20:37] <fsphil> 1 cuddykid got him to about 3 lunars
[20:37] <daveake> Yes we have some new standard units for the wiki
[20:38] <chrisstubbs> "Im having a chrisstubbs" = "Im hopelessly lost and the payload has been right infront of me for 2 hours"
[20:39] <fsphil> I had a chrisstubbs moment on my 3rd flight
[20:39] <fsphil> only it was above me
[20:39] <chrisstubbs> hah
[20:40] <x-f> "as easy as Steve" - "parked, watched the payload land, picked it up from the field"
[20:40] <daveake> lol
[20:41] <fsphil> excellent
[20:42] <mfa298> it does seem like Steve needs to add some extra challenge to his flights, he seems to be doing well at watching the payload landing
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[20:42] <lz1dev> randomize coordinates to cover 2 square miles
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[20:43] <willdude123> So do I still do nothing with the 20k resistor?
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[20:44] <fsphil> not as part of step 1
[20:44] <fsphil> you're thinking too far ahead :)
[20:44] <fsphil> just follow that picture as a guide
[20:45] <number10> dont rush the resistor connecting up thing willdude123... try to understand a little bit more first
[20:45] <number10> you dont have to get it going today
[20:45] <willdude123> I think I've got it.
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[20:49] <mfa298> for a totally different topic, what's the recommended software for decoding aprs on windows these days (I'm not sure I fancy the pain of agwpe to use ui-view)
[20:50] <willdude123> Great.
[20:50] <willdude123> Done.
[20:50] <willdude123> Getting it to puls.
[20:51] <lz1dev> mfa298: if you find any alternatives
[20:51] <lz1dev> ill love to hear about them
[20:51] <mfa298> lz1dev: I know people have suggested something but I can't remember what it was
[20:52] <willdude123> Will other people hear me when I'm testing?
[20:52] <mfa298> willdude123: they'de have to be fairly close to hear it
[20:53] <mfa298> the normal use for devices on this frequency and power level are things like remote temperature sensors and car key fobs
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[21:00] <jiffe99> anyone launch in the rain?
[21:00] <fsphil> yea. don't recommend it
[21:01] <jiffe99> yeah, was wondering what effect that would have
[21:02] <fsphil> didn't seem to cause the balloon any trouble
[21:02] <fsphil> electronics will obviously not like it
[21:03] <willdude123> I am tuned into the right frequency but it doesn't sound like RTTY.
[21:03] <willdude123> And there are 5 lines going down on SDR#
[21:03] <fsphil> you have it all wired up already?
[21:04] <fsphil> you will get some harmonics, tune to the biggest
[21:04] <fsphil> in USB mode
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[21:04] <willdude123> Ph it might not be on a PWM pin.
[21:05] <fsphil> if it's not on a digital pin, you should get a mostly steady tone out of the radio
[21:05] <willdude123> Doesn't it need to be on a PWM pin because it needs to jump between 2 frequencies.
[21:05] <willdude123> Doesn't look like the code does that though.
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[21:05] <willdude123> Got something that sounds like RTTY.
[21:05] <fsphil> moce
[21:05] <fsphil> nice even
[21:06] <mfa298> willdude123: I think the example just needs a digital pin, the resistor setup gives the different tones
[21:06] <mfa298> (I could be wrong as I've not checked the examples for a while)
[21:06] <fsphil> yea
[21:06] <fsphil> the pin has two states, on and off (5v and 0v)
[21:06] <willdude123> Oh OK.
[21:07] <fsphil> the resistors change the voltages
[21:07] <willdude123> Is that where the 22k ohm resistor comes in?
[21:07] <fsphil> yea. without the resistors, the shift would be huge
[21:07] <fsphil> about 25khz
[21:07] <fsphil> which is slightly too much :)
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[21:08] <willdude123> So did I miss the bit that said what to do with the 22k ohm resistor.
[21:08] <willdude123> ?
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[21:09] <willdude123> Where does it go?
[21:09] <fsphil> did you follow the entire guide?
[21:09] <fsphil> it says
[21:09] <daveake> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[21:09] <daveake> It goes to a pin that you waggle in the code
[21:10] <daveake> The experts wiggle pins, but for now waggling is enough
[21:10] <willdude123> I must have missed that/
[21:11] <willdude123> Oh so it goes through that before pin 13?
[21:13] <chrisstubbs> cuddykid, HABE launch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mycr0AZXraA&feature=youtu.be
[21:13] <cuddykid> cheers
[21:14] <chrisstubbs> god launching looks like chaos
[21:14] <bertrik> seems a bit ... uncontrolled :)
[21:14] <willdude123> I can't hear anything on the frequency now.
[21:15] <willdude123> It's supposed to be 434.075 right?
[21:15] <daveake> ouch!
[21:15] <daveake> Take a look on the label on the NTX2
[21:15] <willdude123> I can see a spike, but it's not on 434.075.
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> amazing gopro stills though, and it got recovered so well done cuddykid!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/8620578078/in/photostream
[21:16] <willdude123> Yep it is.
[21:16] <willdude123> I think I've got this wrong.
[21:16] <cuddykid> oh god - that launch is a mess
[21:17] <chrisstubbs> came close to those trees on the way up too!
[21:17] <chrisstubbs> but nice work, all paid off
[21:17] <cuddykid> wicked - that still is great chrisstubbs! Didn't realise it would still capture footage that high up
[21:17] <cuddykid> very close to the trees yep
[21:18] <willdude123> There is a line at 434.070, but I'm not transmitting.
[21:18] <fsphil> ooch
[21:18] <chrisstubbs> willdude123, did you upload the code to the arduino?
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[21:20] <willdude123> Yep.
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> and the radio is connected to the arduino on pin D13?
[21:20] <willdude123> Via a 20k ohm resistor.
[21:21] <willdude123> But it's going between on and off, not between 2 frequencies.
[21:21] <daveake> Then you've wired to the enable line not the data line
[21:23] <willdude123> So I can cycle it, without a resistor, but not with a resistor.
[21:24] <daveake> No. IF the NTX2 is switching off, THEN you need to look at what the Enable pin is wired to. Should be Vcc.
[21:24] <daveake> The data line (the pin nearest the edge) changes the frequency. It cannot turn the transmitter off.
[21:25] <daveake> Without the resistors that frequency change would be enormous; with them it should be (IIRC) 425Hz
[21:26] <daveake> Make sure the Enable pin (4th one in) is wired to Vcc (3rd pin in)
[21:26] <fsphil> it's the voltage going into txd that controls the frequency
[21:26] <fsphil> it's not a pwm thing
[21:26] <willdude123> Yep, it is.
[21:27] <willdude123> It goes along the negative line, like in the pictures.
[21:27] <willdude123> And goes to vcc, via that.
[21:28] <willdude123> Would it help to take a photo?
[21:28] <daveake> Just compare what you've done with the schematic
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[21:31] <M0TVU> Have any HABE pics been processed yet?
[21:31] <cuddykid> yep
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[21:31] <cuddykid> M0TVU: //www.flickr.com/photos/68579973@N02/with/8619452561/#photo_8619452561
[21:36] <M0TVU> Nice. I sooo want to d this but lots to learn
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[21:38] <M0TVU> Has anyone ever done a night flight? There must be some great pics at night
[21:38] <jonsowman> M0TVU: dawn launches, yes
[21:39] <jonsowman> launch to catch sunrise at 20km
[21:39] <jonsowman> immensely difficult and stressful
[21:39] <M0TVU> I was thinking more night sky and star constellations
[21:39] <jonsowman> the platform moves around too much
[21:39] <M0TVU> but sunrise must be a nightmare
[21:39] <jonsowman> you need such a long exposure that you just get blurs
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[21:40] <M0TVU> Yeah that makes sense
[21:40] <jonsowman> sunrise, if timed right, gets you thigns like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cuspaceflight/3740112703/in/set-72157621752577188/lightbox/
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[21:41] <M0TVU> Stunning
[21:41] <daveake> Lower res but I got some decent sunset images on one flighthttp://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/snap156.jpg
[21:41] <M0TVU> A good night flight might get the moon?
[21:41] <jonsowman> if you're up for a challenge, they're good fun
[21:42] <daveake> You can get the moon in daytime
[21:42] <jonsowman> but filling in the dark is hard
[21:42] <M0TVU> Yes true
[21:42] <daveake> Not a Photoshop :-) http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Buzz-Moon-2-1024x576.jpg
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> haha thats cool
[21:43] <chrisstubbs> anyone had a HAB photo printed on a barclays perosonalised card yet?
[21:43] <M0TVU> I'm kinda guessing you have
[21:44] <daveake> My favourite moon HAB pic http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/IMG_8435-1024x768.jpg
[21:44] <M0TVU> These are great photos guys. I hope to get some myself one day
[21:44] <jonsowman> M0TVU: absolutely, go for it
[21:44] <daveake> indeed
[21:44] <jonsowman> getting the pics for yourself is much more rewarding
[21:44] <daveake> Your own photos are always much better than anyone else's :)
[21:45] <jonsowman> true
[21:45] <M0TVU> I will but theres a lot to learn first. A lot of balloon / hellium research next
[21:45] <jonsowman> oh yes
[21:45] <fsphil> even if there's a straw in every shot
[21:45] <jonsowman> it's not a trivial exercise by any means
[21:45] <jonsowman> it wouldn't be fun if it were
[21:45] <daveake> hah
[21:45] <daveake> nope
[21:45] <M0TVU> I'm thinking of flying the transmitter from a kite or maybe some foil ballons on a long string to see how it performs.
[21:47] <M0TVU> I have also sketched up a balloon release mechanism that I might get on th elathe and turn up.
[21:47] <M0TVU> Maybe elctro magnet but interference might be a problem not to mention weight
[21:49] <M0TVU> .
[21:49] <jonsowman> we had an awesome release mech for one of the apex launches
[21:49] <jonsowman> it was made from lego and had a timer and a huge 7-seg
[21:50] <anerDev> good night guys !
[21:50] <fsphil> nite anerDev
[21:50] <M0TVU> nite
[21:50] <M0TVU> jonsowman - how did it release?
[21:51] <jonsowman> M0TVU: just a lego arm
[21:51] <M0TVU> lol - great idea
[21:51] <jonsowman> we didn't use it in the end
[21:51] <jonsowman> but the timer was cool
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[21:51] <jonsowman> that was a dawn launch so everything was a bit frantic
[21:51] <anerDev> daveake http://www.daveakerman.com amazing site !!!
[21:51] <anerDev> ;=)
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[21:51] <daveake> ta
[21:52] <daveake> er
[21:52] <daveake> bye
[21:52] <M0TVU> Im thinking receiver latching out relay and releas somehow
[21:52] <fsphil> he's fond
[21:52] <priyesh> jonsowman: haha - that dawn launch
[21:53] <priyesh> tl;dr : don't shop at wilko for hab stuff
[21:53] <jonsowman> haha
[21:53] <jonsowman> :X
[21:53] <priyesh> i still watch the video sometimes
[21:53] <jonsowman> haha
[21:53] <jonsowman> boing
[21:53] <priyesh> andrew's epic dive
[21:54] <jonsowman> haha
[21:54] <M0TVU> Right bed time nite all
[21:55] <priyesh> looks like we took the sound out of the vimeo version
[21:55] Action: priyesh finds source files on HDD
[21:55] <jonsowman> haha
[21:55] <jonsowman> there was some mild swearing
[21:57] <priyesh> found it
[21:58] <priyesh> github fixed
[21:59] <jonsowman> someone forgot to feed the hamsters
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[22:02] <TKoenig> fsphil: sorry to be getting back to you so late. you mentioned that for sending ssdv there cannot be any gaps during each 256 byte packet, but i wasn't sure exactly what that means
[22:03] <fsphil> each byte must follow the previous one immediatly
[22:04] <fsphil> +e
[22:04] <daveake> Does the decoder assume a gap means end-of-packet?
[22:05] <fsphil> if the gap is long enough the receiver will pad it with zeros, assuming a byte was lost
[22:05] <daveake> OK
[22:05] <daveake> No advantage to putting a gap between packets then?
[22:06] <fsphil> no disadvantage either
[22:06] <TKoenig> so it should be okay if i read in a byte, send it in a 8N1 format, move to the next byte, send it in a 8N1 format, etc, etc until all bytes of the output.bin from SSDV are sent?
[22:07] <fsphil> TKoenig: it might be better take the entire packet, and pass that to the OS in one go
[22:07] <daveake> At the mo, in my Pi tracker there'll be a short delay as iit gets the next packet from the binary file. In my Pi/Arduino tracker there's almost no gap
[22:07] <TKoenig> and if i can amend another question to that, i'm reading in the output.bin file as read-binary, converting it to string, and then send that via wiringpi-python. does this seem OK? thanks for all your support and help
[22:07] <fsphil> I'm new to python, but I think that's fine. I'm not familiar with wiringpi at all
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[22:08] <daveake> Just 2 things that might be an issue. One is that it's happy with 8-bit characters in strings; second that a null doesn't signify the end of a string.
[22:08] <fsphil> my first flight had gaps between packets, I was using timer-based rtty
[22:08] <daveake> I think it'll be fine but think about those
[22:09] <fsphil> TKoenig: I'd also recommend using 2 stop bits. fldigi seems to be happier with it
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> Im off guys, thanks for the recovery directions
[22:09] <daveake> The one I fell into with my Pi tracker written in C was that Linux was doing LF --> CR LF conversions. Not good on binary data
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> i enjoyed it!
[22:09] <daveake> nn
[22:09] <fsphil> so did we chrisstubbs. nite :)
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> night
[22:09] <TKoenig> fsphil, daveake: those are good points. i guess i need to sort out radio issues first, though, and sending telemetry data before i get to SSDV/JPEG issues xD
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[22:10] <fsphil> I kept getting shorter packets than I expected in the earliest versions
[22:10] <fsphil> before I realised fldigi wasn't processing 0x00 bytes
[22:10] <daveake> Yes. I had telemetry working first, and that doesn't have issues with newline conversions of nulls, so even if that works SSDV might not
[22:10] <daveake> s/of/or/
[22:12] <TKoenig> fsphil: i'll try using 2 stop bits, but right now wiringpi-python is 1 stop bit, and i'm not sure if i have the technical expertise to alter that
[22:12] <fsphil> there's a lot of legacy baggage on linux serial
[22:12] <daveake> sure is
[22:13] <fsphil> TKoenig: you could try using serial in python directly
[22:13] <TKoenig> fsphil: good point. any other serial python serial libraries that you know of that may work?
[22:13] <fsphil> it's very easy
[22:13] <fsphil> pyserial
[22:13] <fsphil> it *seems very easy
[22:13] <daveake> hah
[22:13] <fsphil> I've gotten python as far as reading a packet and parsing the header
[22:15] <willdude123> I gave up on the NTX2 for tonight. Thanks for all your help and sorry for getting stressy. I'll talk to Upu about it tomorrow I think.
[22:15] Action: Upu pats willdude123
[22:15] <Upu> take your time Will :)
[22:15] <fsphil> nobody ever gets it working the first time :)
[22:15] <fsphil> it's like the jump in the matrix
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[22:15] <Upu> haha
[22:16] <Upu> I just got back btw
[22:16] <Upu> not been ignoring you
[22:16] <Upu> speak to me tomorrow about it
[22:16] <JamieCH> Hey guys, is this a reasonable antenna to get for tracking other balloons? http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/433MHz-YAGI-antenna-124505
[22:16] <willdude123> I figured which resistor was which.
[22:16] <Upu> hey JamieCH yeah should work
[22:17] <Upu> good someone teach you resistor bands ?
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[22:17] <willdude123> Yep.
[22:17] <Upu> thought you have to point that one
[22:17] <daveake> JamieCH That's fine, and useful for direction-fiding or picking up a weak signal.
[22:17] <Upu> JamieCH if its for a stationary listening station get a colinear instead
[22:17] <daveake> finding
[22:17] <daveake> whs
[22:18] <Upu> diamond x-50 or Watson W-50
[22:18] <daveake> and a magmount for the car
[22:18] <JamieCH> I'm going to use it for stationary listening to start with to practice, but I do want to use it for my own (theoretical) launch eventually
[22:18] <Upu> In that case Will your half way there
[22:18] <JamieCH> But I shall practice with listening for all your balloons first :D
[22:18] <Upu> as long as you realise you're going to have to point it
[22:18] <Upu> where the balloon is
[22:18] <Upu> which is hard to do without a rotating mount
[22:18] <willdude123> Upu: Just snapped a radial off the antenna.
[22:18] <daveake> colinear is handy because you don't have to point it the right way. cuddykid's flight today went from N to W to N to E and I got fed up pointing the yagi at it!
[22:19] <willdude123> It's okay though.
[22:19] <Upu> thats why I gave you 4 spares willdude123
[22:19] <daveake> :)
[22:19] <willdude123> The loop was too big.
[22:19] <arko> Upu are you launching today?
[22:19] <willdude123> I'll just make it smaller and screw it back on tommorow.
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[22:19] <daveake> Upu gets other people to launch for him :p
[22:19] <Upu> No Saturday, Dave is launching one of my payloads in a little joint experiment
[22:19] <arko> nice!
[22:20] <Upu> we are trying a few new ideas and the MAX-7C
[22:20] <Upu> Will book mark this for tomorrow http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:linkingntx2-2.jpg
[22:20] <Upu> and go to bed
[22:20] <Upu> its got to be past your bedtime as its past mine
[22:21] <S_Mark> Um had a bit of a problem, dropped my tracker and now all I get is this $$SDEAN,6,198:96:7,99.99999,99.99999,0,0,99,5.0... any quick suggestions off the top of your heads?? Standard NTX2 and uBlox GPS with arduino. Correct voltage getting to GPS, having a bit of a panic, planning to launch next week!
[22:21] <willdude123> Yup.
[22:21] <arko> night peeps
[22:21] <S_Mark> Realise that its late so will look fully tomorrow
[22:21] <Upu> S_Mark
[22:21] <Upu> I've seen that do me a favour can you wire it direct to the Arduino RX/TX and just dump the NMEA out of it ?
[22:22] <Upu> I'll put money you've damaged the antenna
[22:22] <daveake> Sounds very likely
[22:22] <Upu> don't panic though I can fix it
[22:22] <Upu> they don't take well to being dropped for some reason
[22:22] <griffonbot> @NSEballoon: Good deed done for the day. Enjoyed going out to recover HABE after its awesome flight! @adamcudworth #ukhas http://t.co/Iav8MKWTCr [http://twitter.com/NSEballoon/status/319938068540952576]
[22:22] <TKoenig> Upu: with that jpg link, are you using a raspberry pi?
[22:22] <S_Mark> OK I shall do that tomorrow
[22:22] <S_Mark> Thanks
[22:22] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: RT @NSEballoon: Good deed done for the day. Enjoyed going out to recover HABE after its awesome flight! @adamcudworth #ukhas http://t.co ... [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/319938171842473984]
[22:23] <Upu> TKoenig no it's just an article I and a number of others wrote about linking to Arduino where Ardunio could = another microcontroller or pI
[22:23] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
[22:24] <TKoenig> Upu: ahh thanks. i was just wondering the resistor values so that i could try matching them
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[22:24] <Upu> its on the article
[22:24] <Upu> 22k & 4K7
[22:24] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/_detail/guides:ntx2.png?id=guides%3Alinkingarduinotontx2
[22:24] <Upu> with the maths behind it
[22:25] <griffonbot> @willdude567: On my way to High Altitude Balloon tracking thanks to the very nice people at #ukhas [http://twitter.com/willdude567/status/319938731463294976]
[22:25] <Upu> would suggest you try it on a µC like Arduino or PIC
[22:25] <Upu> Pi is a different beast
[22:25] <Upu> well try it on those first
[22:25] <Upu> understand it then move to Pi
[22:26] <Upu> when are you launching S_Mark ?
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[22:27] <TKoenig> Upu: I thought the only think you had to compensate with the Pi is the 3.3V logic rather than the 5v?? and so change the resistor values, right??
[22:27] <Upu> well yes and no
[22:28] <S_Mark> Everything was heading towards a 14th April launch
[22:28] <S_Mark> week sunday
[22:28] <Upu> yes but the Pi is a multitasking computer so getting timing right can be problematic
[22:28] <willdude123> Could'nt griffon bot be made to spam the channel with loads of tweets?
[22:28] <Upu> whereas the Arduino and PIC's are real time
[22:28] <Upu> yes willdude123
[22:28] <Upu> I believe daveake utilised the hardware UART on the Pi to get the timing right
[22:29] <daveake> I believe so too
[22:29] <Upu> which then means you need to link to the GPS via I2C
[22:29] <Upu> which isn't supported properly
[22:29] <daveake> also true
[22:29] <Upu> S_Mark ok I get get it fixed by then
[22:29] <TKoenig> Upu: interesting, well right now i have the ability to hook up my pi serial port to my computer and see the serial data i'm seeing. it is sending it correctly. so, should i be OK to assume that it is correct for the radio? hope this makes sense
[22:30] <mfa298> willdude123: we just hope that daveake doesn't post too much about Pi's and then there's less twitter messages to worry about :p
[22:30] <Upu> yeah should be ok but you need to consider how you're going to connect the GPS
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[22:30] <daveake> also true mfa298 :)
[22:30] <daveake> Just wait for the hit when I fly the Pi camera :)
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[22:31] <TKoenig> Upu: I'm actually using an adafruit GPS that is compatible with the Pi's USB port. so hopefully i'm OK there xD
[22:31] Action: mfa298 might look up the /ignore option before that happens
[22:31] <Upu> well not really
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[22:31] <Upu> they don't work above 27km
[22:31] <willdude123> daveake: When are you launching Upu's payload on his behalf?
[22:31] <S_Mark> Upu, just looked at it closely now, without doing any software, I think the top of the supporting bits to the gps antenna, where they overlap, are cracked. There is defo more play in the aerial than there was before! Oh no!!
[22:31] <daveake> Whenever he and I said it would be in the mailing list :)
[22:31] <Upu> hey thats a point daveake could just wire a FTDI board into the USB port
[22:31] <daveake> Sat
[22:32] <daveake> yes can do
[22:32] <Upu> S_Mark ok post it back on Monday I'll fix it
[22:32] <daveake> However ... on the B I used by USB ports
[22:32] <Upu> yeah
[22:32] <Upu> just an idea
[22:32] <daveake> and on the model A I chopped the socket off to save weight :p
[22:32] <daveake> Yes it'd work
[22:32] <Upu> the Adafruit module doesn't work above 27km I had the only one they'd done that worked above and I threw it in the English channel
[22:33] <daveake> it stopped working then too
[22:33] <Upu> no it worked all the way to 38km
[22:33] <Upu> but there was only one in existence with that firmware on it
[22:33] <daveake> yes but it stopped when it hit the channel
[22:33] <Upu> oh yes
[22:33] <Upu> in fairness so did the ublox
[22:33] <daveake> useless junk :p
[22:34] <Upu> lol
[22:34] <daveake> indeed
[22:34] <TKoenig> Upu: interesting, think the datasheet says otherwise. BUT those aren't always the most reliable and i've never flown so i need to figure that out haha
[22:34] <daveake> Real shame the Rockblock didn't save the day
[22:34] <Upu> definitely doens't work TKoenig, Limor from Adafruit asked me to amend the Wiki as people were getting confused
[22:35] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:adafruitugps
[22:35] <TKoenig> Upu: so the adafruit ultimategps works at what altitude then??
[22:36] <Upu> currently 27km
[22:36] <Upu> then it stops
[22:36] <Upu> starts working again as it drops below 27km
[22:37] <Upu> they put on their site >25Km altitude
[22:37] <willdude123> Upu where can I familiarize myself with interfacing with the Ublox gps?
[22:37] <Upu> which is entirely true
[22:37] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?id=levelconvertor
[22:37] <willdude123> Are ther any tutorials I can read?
[22:37] <Upu> the uBlox modules work up to 50km
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[22:40] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/picobreakout.jpg
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[23:09] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN45 - Thurs 4th."
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[23:25] <willdude123> Night all.
[23:25] <arko> night
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[23:32] <willdude123> Anyone notice the spam on Upu's wiki?
[23:32] <willdude123> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/wiki/doku.php?do=index&id=start
[23:32] <arko> go to sleep!
[23:32] <arko> :P
[23:34] <willdude123> It's quite important though,there are loads of spam pages.
[23:34] <arko> yeah, good point though
[23:35] <arko> nothing a few spam filter extentions and some user account regulation cant fix
[23:35] <willdude123> Anybody have admin status except him?
[23:35] <arko> dunno
[23:38] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch announcement - WUSAT - Sat 6th - near Welshpool"
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