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[03:30] <heathkid> who's attending Dayton this year?
[03:31] <heathkid> I'm planning a very high profile HAB launch... but have NO IDEA what I'm doing... (will do a test launch prior to Dayton)...
[03:31] Action: heathkid needs help...
[03:31] <heathkid> :)
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[03:34] <SpeedEvil> what country?
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[04:26] <heathkid> Indiana, USA
[04:26] <heathkid> going to do a very high profile APRS launch at the Dayton Hamvention this year (at least that's the goal)....
[04:27] <Darkside> nice
[04:27] <heathkid> largest Amateur Radio event of the year in the world
[04:27] <Darkside> the best i've done is a repeater launch at the WIA agm
[04:28] <heathkid> the last time I did a launch I was about 13 and the FAA got involved and I spent some time in a police car...
[04:28] <heathkid> seems they don't like kids launching weather balloons at an airport with incoming planes....
[04:29] <heathkid> actually shut down Chicago's O'Hare Internation for a bit
[04:29] <heathkid> oooops....
[04:29] <heathkid> ;)
[04:29] <heathkid> live and learn
[04:29] <SpeedEvil> unless they shoot you in the head.
[04:30] <heathkid> I don't think they did that
[04:31] <heathkid> this time... even though <4 lbs. I plan to file a NOTAM just because of where I'll be (a bit close to Wright Patterson...)... seems a good idea in ANY case. right?
[04:32] <heathkid> wouldn't like my FIRST *real* HAB shot out of the air... LOL
[04:33] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[04:33] <heathkid> going to use a Kaymont 1500... fast ascent to burst
[04:33] <heathkid> haven't decided if I want to *TRY* the parafoil yet though...
[04:33] <heathkid> maybe after a few dozen launches! lol :)
[04:34] <heathkid> trying to land back at the launch site at the Dayton Hamvention may be a bit over the top considering I've really never done this before...
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[04:35] <heathkid> which is why I'm looking for help in the Indiana/Ohio area...
[04:35] <heathkid> or Illinois
[04:35] <heathkid> wherever... I just need some help
[04:35] <heathkid> I don't even know how much Helium it'd take to fill a Kaymont 1500 and no one will tell me...
[04:36] <heathkid> party tank or do I need a "real" tank"?
[04:36] <SpeedEvil> you generally don't 'fill' balloons
[04:36] <heathkid> I know....
[04:36] <SpeedEvil> the lift is about a kilo per cubic meter of gas
[04:36] <heathkid> I want to inflate it to about a 6 ft. diameter
[04:36] <heathkid> maybe a bit more for a faster ascent
[04:37] <heathkid> heh
[04:37] <heathkid> we screwed up a Mars mission converting metric...
[04:37] <heathkid> stupid US
[04:38] <heathkid> we should have gone metric a LONG time ago
[04:38] <heathkid> a kilo per cubic meter of gas?
[04:38] <SpeedEvil> about
[04:38] <heathkid> that's a start
[04:38] <SpeedEvil> it's more like 1.3 at sea level IIRC
[04:39] <heathkid> I am planning a test launch before the convention
[04:39] <SpeedEvil> there is a cal ulator on the wiki
[04:39] <heathkid> eh... it'll be around 700-900 ft. above sea level
[04:39] <heathkid> want that in nanometers?
[04:39] <heathkid> ;)
[04:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:balloon_data
[04:40] <heathkid> I'm planning a test...
[04:40] <SpeedEvil> see the calculator halfway down
[04:40] <heathkid> ok
[04:40] <heathkid> thanks
[04:41] <heathkid> ANYONE within a few hundred miles of me... and is a ham... please contact me!!! :)
[04:41] <heathkid> I'm hoping to get both Yaesu and Kenwood involved in live tracking in their booths...
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[06:51] <ibanezmatt13> Good Morning :-)
[06:51] <arko_> good morning
[06:52] Nick change: arko_ -> arko
[06:52] <ibanezmatt13> i would just like to give a massive thank you to every body who helped me set up my camera yesterday. fswebcam is now working perfectly taking and saving an image under a different name every 30 seconds using python
[06:53] <ibanezmatt13> id better get ready for school though nlw :-( see you all
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[08:06] <costyn> morning
[08:09] <UpuWork> morning
[08:09] <daveake> morning
[08:13] <Morseman> Evening
[08:13] <Morseman> (Old joke alert)
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[08:14] <fsphil> moaning (it sounds like french but it isn't, lol)
[08:16] Nick change: MichaelC1 -> MichaelC
[08:18] <costyn> fsphil: somehow I always think of the fake gendarme in Allo Allo who says in his fake french accent 'gut merning'
[08:19] <fsphil> that's it :)
[08:20] <Morseman> Officer Crabtree
[08:20] <costyn> ah yes
[08:20] <costyn> http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp166/D4RKL1NG/OfficerCrabtree250.jpg
[08:23] <eroomde> morning
[08:23] <eroomde> at work
[08:23] <eroomde> pcbs still not here
[08:23] <eroomde> what to do what to do
[08:23] <fsphil> minesweeper
[08:24] <eroomde> c
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[08:24] <costyn> fsphil: that's oldsklool
[08:25] <costyn> -l
[08:25] <eroomde> wait for the building to heat up is probsbly the better thing
[08:25] <eroomde> it's had a weekend soak at 0C
[08:25] <fsphil> I bought an electric blanket yesterday. which probably means summer starts within a week
[08:26] <eroomde> for beds?
[08:26] <costyn> fsphil: well good for you, someone had to do something drastic
[08:26] <eroomde> or a tartan one for your lap as you sit in your home waiting to die?
[08:26] <fsphil> the first one
[08:26] <fsphil> but it may double for the other one too
[08:26] <LazyLeopard> Hmmmm... Colder here this morning than it was yesterday at the same time....
[08:27] <daveake> It's too cold to be the autumn of his years
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[08:38] <M0TVU> A question - Can the Spacenear.us tracker software b used to track nay balloon?
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[08:39] <fsphil> as it is right now it'll track any payload transmitting a UKHAS standard string
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[08:40] <M0TVU> Hmm obviously a bit early
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[08:40] <M0TVU> oops
[08:40] <M0TVU> I was abit quick
[08:40] <fsphil> there's a few brave folk awake this early :)
[08:41] <eroomde> f-off John from RS
[08:41] <eroomde> you cannot help me with my order
[08:41] <fsphil> also angry folk
[08:41] <fsphil> popup?
[08:41] <eroomde> unless you can re-write your whole website
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[08:41] <M0TVU> what is the UKHAS string? - My transmitter is currently sending station ident followed by time, lat, long, altitude
[08:41] <fsphil> M0TVU: http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[08:41] <M0TVU> I can of course configure it to send anyting
[08:42] <fsphil> what kind of setup do you have M0TVU?
[08:42] <fsphil> and are you aware you can't use amatuer radio from a balloon in the UK?
[08:42] Nick change: daveake1 -> daveake
[08:42] <M0TVU> Hi. I have a lassen SK8 hooked up to a PCB I made myself running a PIC 16f648A
[08:43] <fsphil> the software we use is dl-fldigi, a modified version of fldigi that uploads those strings to the map
[08:43] <M0TVU> I saw that. It looks great.
[08:43] <fsphil> it's worked really well
[08:44] <fsphil> quite impressive what can be done with 10mw RF power
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[08:44] <M0TVU> I thought last night that if something like DM780 can decode the RTTY then why hasn't some bright spark took the string and passed to the google api. - And then there it was !
[08:45] <M0TVU> why fsphil?
[08:45] <daveake> Fortunately we do have some bright sparks here
[08:45] <daveake> (and no I don't mean me!)
[08:45] <fsphil> M0TVU: the license doesn't allow you to use amateur radio equipment in an aircraft
[08:46] <M0TVU> Then how do the UK balloon flights transmit data?
[08:47] <fsphil> in the UK we are limited to license-exempt radio modules
[08:47] <fsphil> the main one is the NTX2 on 434mhz
[08:47] <fsphil> brb
[08:47] <M0TVU> Oh i see - Yeah that's what i'm using
[08:49] <M0TVU> I'll be testing the beacon from the top of Fort Dunlop central Birmingham today around 11:00 am - 434.650 - 8 data, 2 stop, 170 shift and 50 baud.
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[08:53] <fsphil> M0TVU: yea good to get a range test
[08:53] <fsphil> faulty antennas have hit a few flights before, including one of my own
[08:54] <M0TVU> I have a few friends at varying distnaces that will be listening just to see who can hear what.
[08:54] <daveake> and the wrong sort of SMA plug in my case :p
[08:55] <M0TVU> I have a lot to learn about this stuff but I find it VERY interesting
[08:55] <fsphil> it is that
[08:55] <M0TVU> I hope to have something up and running in the summer
[08:56] <fsphil> the ntx2 does drift a bit so make sure those receiving it know they might have to tune around a bit
[08:56] <M0TVU> In the meantime I am following the progress of a local school in Walsall.
[08:56] <fsphil> sadly birmingham is a bit far for me while it's on the ground :)
[08:57] <M0TVU> I noticed that. Especially when the battery starts to die
[08:57] <fsphil> yea it races of the screen
[08:57] <M0TVU> BTW what do most people use to pwer their payload?
[08:57] <fsphil> the low temperatures at high altitude will cause it to drift a lot unless you have it well insulated
[08:57] <fsphil> check your GPS works above 18km too, some do not although I believe the lassens all do?
[08:58] <M0TVU> At present I am running from a small 12v slab. It's one of those tiny ones.
[08:58] <fsphil> I've not used one
[08:58] <daveake> The Lassen IQ is fine without any special settings
[08:58] <daveake> However not all Lassens do
[08:59] <daveake> What was that one the students used a few weeks ago thatfailed above 18km
[08:59] <M0TVU> This all started thanks to the GPS module I picked up from the hangar sale rally at nantwich a few weeks back. I thought that looks interesting. I'm sure I could interface that with a PIC. A lot of sleepless nights later i'm ready to test the transmitter
[08:59] <daveake> Found it - Condor C2626
[09:01] <M0TVU> I haven't looked at the right GPS to use yet. The copper one thing looks good but i'm still testing software and hardware designs at the moment
[09:01] <fsphil> all of these will work: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_60
[09:02] <fsphil> well except the last two
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[09:06] <M0TVU> Right i'd better get on with some work. If anyone is around the Birmingham ish area i'd love any reports if you can hear the beacon - Laters - Paul
[09:07] <fsphil> good luck
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[10:52] <HixWork> hmm 100% over the water predictions now http://goo.gl/vIn5P
[10:53] <costyn> HixWork: bah
[10:54] <HixWork> meh
[10:54] <costyn> HixWork: everything ready for launch then?
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[10:55] <HixWork> err no. tracker is made and working, though it had a weird start to life so questions hanging over it now
[10:55] <HixWork> need to do some environmental testing
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[10:56] <mfa298> you could always do some environmental testing by putting it under a balloon, although that depends on how much you want to get it back
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[11:07] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] Launch announcement: WASP-1, UK, 26th March"
[11:07] <Spoz> blergh, still no luck getting the hourly predictions working
[11:08] <Spoz> updated the json file, rerun the fetch cronjobs and I succeeded in getting the default track to disappear but not display mine
[11:18] <cuddykid> ping UpuWork
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[11:22] <mfa298> Spoz: am I correct in remembering your in australia ?
[11:22] <mfa298> You might need to change a line in one of the scripts as by default I think it grabs wind data for the UK
[11:23] <mattbrejza> oo a balloon launch, havnt had one of those for a while
[11:23] <Spoz> I did change the grabber script with my coords
[11:23] <Spoz> unless there are two places that need modifying?
[11:24] <HixWork> mfa298, the fact that I'm launching cameras with my tracker means I would like it back :)
[11:24] <mfa298> Spoz: in that case you've probably got it
[11:24] <mfa298> it's scripts/grabdata-cronjob.sh that needed a line editing from my notes
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[11:25] <Spoz> yeah thats the one
[11:25] <x-f> Spoz, checked both logfiles? do you have the /web/data folder with fresh data?
[11:26] <mfa298> thats the only extra thing I know of that needs changing (although there might be more)
[11:29] <Spoz> no I havent x-f, thanks
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[11:31] <mfa298> you might find it useful running the data download and prediction processes seperately. The grab data seems to be most problematic and when working takes a while to run (usually 15 minutes or more)
[11:31] <Spoz> hmm I dont have a web dir
[11:31] <Spoz> yeah I have let it run
[11:32] <mfa298> if its taking a while to run then it's probably working (at least for the grabdata part)
[11:32] <mfa298> did you install it from the notes or did you grab the vm image ?
[11:33] <Spoz> VM image
[11:33] <Spoz> from chris
[11:33] <x-f> Spoz, it's /web/hourly-predictions/data, my mistake
[11:33] <Spoz> yeah there wasnt even a web dir in this image
[11:33] <costyn> it's in /opt I think?
[11:33] <Spoz> oh
[11:33] <mfa298> the web dir should be in /opt/cusf-landing-prediction
[11:34] <Spoz> ah youre right
[11:34] <Spoz> the instructions Ive got dont say that
[11:34] <mfa298> there's two sets of logs
[11:34] <mfa298> /opt/landing-prediction-data/logs/
[11:34] <mfa298> has the data download stuff in it
[11:34] <HixWork> /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions
[11:34] <Spoz> yep, got that
[11:35] <mfa298> and the one HixWork just mentioned has the predictor logs
[11:35] <Spoz> erm, what command to open it to view it?
[11:35] <Spoz> (linux noob)
[11:35] <costyn> less
[11:35] <HixWork> the data spoz?
[11:35] <mfa298> I'd recommend less
[11:36] <costyn> Spoz: you can use tab-completion to make it easier to get the name of the log right
[11:36] <Spoz> hm crap, I broke it
[11:36] <mfa298> whilst things are running "tail -f logfile" is also useful - it displays the new content in the file as it arrives
[11:36] <Spoz> now I've just got "hello ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (end)
[11:36] <costyn> mfa298: or just use less and hit shift-f (works as tail)
[11:37] <Spoz> hm, "waiting for data"
[11:37] <mfa298> costyn: useful to know
[11:37] <UpuWork> Hey cuddykid
[11:37] <costyn> mfa298: yea less has some nice keyboard shortcuts... stuff to search with, go to beginning or end of file
[11:38] <mfa298> I know most of the scrolling around stuff with less but didn't know about the shift-f
[11:38] <Spoz> ok, Im somewhere where I dont know where I am
[11:38] <HixWork> spoz o'reilly Unix in a nutshell book here http://goo.gl/hq9Hl
[11:39] <mfa298> if you want to work out what directory your in use "pwd"
[11:39] <costyn> Spoz: type 'pwd' to see your 'present working directory'
[11:39] <costyn> it actually stands for 'print working directory' I see :)
[11:40] <Spoz> hm, root@localhost web
[11:40] <Brace> another useful command 'watch $command' and it'll update the command, useful to run something like say 'ls' to see what's happening to files in a directory
[11:40] <Spoz> I seem to have ended up somewhere else entirely
[11:41] <mfa298> Spoz: at a guess your in /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/
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[11:41] <Spoz> well thats where I was
[11:41] <mfa298> which holds the hourly predictor install
[11:41] <mfa298> from there logs are in hourly-predictions/logs
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[11:42] <ibanezmatt13> Good Morning :)
[11:43] <Spoz> there appears to be nothing in logs
[11:44] <Spoz> Ive had too big a day for this, I think I need to go to bed
[11:44] <mfa298> Spoz: can you try running: "ls -l /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/hourly-predictions/data/ | wc"
[11:44] <Spoz> sure
[11:44] <HixWork> I know the feeling spoz
[11:45] <ibanezmatt13> I am planning to use a Ublox GPS in one of my HAB projects. I have found that I must connect the GPS module to my Raspeberry Pi using the TXD and RXD Serial pins. However, I will be using the serial pin for transmitting over radio. So how can I make sure that I have it all working?
[11:45] <mfa298> ls is directory listing, wc is word count, the full command just says how many items are in that folder
[11:46] <daveake> ibanezmatt13 There are some options
[11:46] <daveake> First you can share the serial between GPS and NTX2. Ugly but works
[11:46] <Spoz> no data directory
[11:46] <ibanezmatt13> Morning Daveake. I think that I should probably take the route which works best for my project
[11:47] <daveake> Second you could use a GPS with an I2C connection and talk to the GPS via that (which is what I do now)
[11:47] <daveake> Third you could use a USB-serial adapter to connect to the GPS
[11:47] <mfa298> Spoz: it might be worth running the set of mkdir commands listed on http://hab.yapd.net/setup.html
[11:47] <mfa298> it sounds like some of them might have gone missing
[11:47] <ibanezmatt13> I think i2c is probably the better idea. Which GPS module do you use for i2c?
[11:48] <mattbrejza> 4th use an external mux (switch) to choose between gps comms and radio comms
[11:48] <mattbrejza> controlled by a gpio
[11:48] <daveake> 5th use an Arduino
[11:48] <mattbrejza> 6th put the radio on the gpio and wonder why it doesnt work well
[11:49] <daveake> (several options there - e.g. Arduino does the radio and GPS, Pi does the imaging only)
[11:49] <ibanezmatt13> Yeah, I think I'll stick with the Pi because it's better for my style of programming. What GPS module would be best for use with i2c
[11:49] <daveake> ping Upuwork
[11:49] <UpuWork> hi ibanezmatt13
[11:49] <ibanezmatt13> thanks. Are there any tutorials or is it fairly straigjhtforward?
[11:49] <ibanezmatt13> Hi upuWork
[11:49] <HixWork> ooh, that's a handly link mfa298
[11:50] <UpuWork> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=51
[11:50] <HixWork> not seen that before
[11:50] <UpuWork> has I2C broken out
[11:50] <daveake> Beware though - the Pi i2c doesn't work with the ublox GPS. So I used some "bit-banging" i2c code which does work fine
[11:50] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: not really straightforward. there are a bunch of tutorials on getting it to work on arduino, not many on RPi
[11:50] <ibanezmatt13> ah i see
[11:50] <mfa298> HixWork: you might have seen it but I added more formatting to it when others started looking at it (when chris made his vm)
[11:51] <HixWork> ahh, oki
[11:51] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: I managed to get fswebcam working!
[11:51] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: most of us here are used to working with arduino, few of the more enterprising people here have started using Pi's, but it's more complicated than Arduino
[11:51] <ibanezmatt13> I used a python script which loops every 30 seconds
[11:51] <mfa298> it was just a mass of text before in a <pre> block
[11:51] <daveake> oh good - what was the issue?
[11:52] <daveake> ok I still don't know why bash wouldn't work
[11:52] <ibanezmatt13> I think I messed up the file system. After a quick reflash of the card, no problems at all :)
[11:52] <mattbrejza> using something like the 74hct137 might be easier than bitbanging serial, but you can always borrow dave's code for that
[11:52] <daveake> ah cool
[11:52] <daveake> You had quite a few people scratching their heads with that one
[11:52] <ibanezmatt13> yeah i know, sorry ;)
[11:52] <daveake> s'ok we like a challenge :)
[11:53] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: no problem with getting people head scratching like that
[11:53] <mfa298> it's always a good learning experience for all involved
[11:53] <daveake> We're just relieved to get proper questions from someone who's making an effort :)
[11:53] <ibanezmatt13> Thanks daveake. This Alinco radio receiver I was on about yesterday, I found that it can do 434 MHZ on LSB and USB band which I beleieve is part of SSB
[11:54] <daveake> perfect
[11:54] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[11:54] <daveake> Just to explain ... SSB isn't a "band" it's a "mode"
[11:54] <ibanezmatt13> oh right.
[11:54] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: yep USB and LSB are both SSB
[11:54] <ibanezmatt13> excellent :)
[11:55] <mfa298> USB (Upper Side band), LSB (Lower Side Band) both of which are SSB (Single Side band)
[11:55] <ibanezmatt13> by the way, when these HAB payloads are decending, how do we know if it's gonna hit an aircraft?
[11:55] <ibanezmatt13> This is why I am amazed that we can getpermission
[11:55] <gonzo__> we get a clenching sensation in the lower abdomen
[11:55] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: you don't: http://imgur.com/a/8JY4w#19
[11:56] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: that's why afterwards you're like... oh ok that was kinda close
[11:56] <daveake> The 1's and 0's in your code end up as high and low voltages going to the NTX2, which is an FM transmitter so it converts those into 2 slightly different frequencies. An SSB receiver converts those into 2 different audio frequencies, and then the PC decoder converts those into 1s and 0s again
[11:56] <mfa298> presumably we know when the payload suddenly starts moving along a flight path rapidly
[11:56] <costyn> mfa298: haha
[11:56] <costyn> mfa298: or descending faster and faster as it's been clipped from its chute
[11:57] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: I see, thanks.
[11:57] <ibanezmatt13> I can't wait to give this a shot this summer!
[11:57] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: it's very exciting :)
[11:57] <daveake> Well, patience is good but it seems you're learning fast :)
[11:57] <gonzo__> the chance of a hab and plane coming into contact is minimal. There are a lot of birds in the world, but bird strikes are rare occurancies
[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, I think it's a good idea to get everything set up early so that there is more time to troubleshoot ;)
[11:58] <daveake> plus we try to make payloads small and light so they're likely to disintegrate if they do get hit
[11:58] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: there'll be a lot of that ;)
[11:58] <ibanezmatt13> What is the chance of me never seeing my Raspberry Pi again?
[11:58] <daveake> Low
[11:59] <daveake> However you may only see it in a tree
[11:59] <costyn> haha
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> The North Sea fishing boats seem to bring a load in each year ;)
[11:59] <gonzo__> ibanezmatt13, what country are you in?
[11:59] <daveake> So long as the prediction is nicely inland, and you fill the balloon properly, you should be OK
[11:59] <ibanezmatt13> gonzo__: uk
[12:00] <daveake> The sea doesn't always win - http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=220
[12:00] <ibanezmatt13> There is a strong chance that we will intercept the International Space Station seen as my Dad is helping me with the project. He said that he wants to get the biggest ballon possible, fill it with Hydorgen and then mix it with Liquid oxygen and create a rocket!
[12:01] <ibanezmatt13> It's bound to go wrong :) haha
[12:01] <fsphil> yea, don't do that :p
[12:01] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[12:02] <daveake> I like the sound of your Dad, however, please ignore him this time :)
[12:02] <ibanezmatt13> yeah, don't worry
[12:03] <ibanezmatt13> So, would I connect the TXD pion on the NTX2 to my Pi's TXD serial pin, then excecute the code you provided yesterday; will that honestly send a letter over the radio>
[12:03] <ibanezmatt13> ?
[12:03] <daveake> yep
[12:03] <ibanezmatt13> i am amazed!
[12:04] <daveake> All that Arduino stuff you saw was just doing in software what a UART does for you in hardware
[12:04] <ibanezmatt13> it may be worth getting a model A Pi, the smaller one I believe. Maybe I could have the smaller Pi do the GPS and the other pi do the radio
[12:04] <ibanezmatt13> i'm just thinking of a way to get around having the gps and radio share the same pi
[12:04] <ibanezmatt13> n
[12:04] <daveake> Well then you'd need to connect the 2 Pi boards together and do some comms
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> oh I see.
[12:05] <daveake> GPS/radio on same port does work - 3 of my Pi flights did it
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> how do you do that? Is it to do with different addresses
[12:05] <ibanezmatt13> ?
[12:07] <mattbrejza> na, the ublox just ignores the 50 buad serial
[12:07] <daveake> No. It's a bit of a cheat but it works. The GPS connects to your Pi RX pin (this pin isn't used for tranmsmitting), so to receive a position you just open the port, set the baud rate, listen and decode.
[12:07] <mattbrejza> it might get a bit pissed off and send you 'wtf was that messages', but itll still work fine
[12:07] <jonsowman> lol
[12:07] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks
[12:08] <ibanezmatt13> So would I use a breadboard to connect both components to the same pin?
[12:08] <daveake> There's a small amount of stuff you need to send to the GPS (e.g. to put it in flight mode) but who cares if that goes out over the radio? It's only done at startup
[12:08] <costyn> mattbrejza: so what does the NTX do with the 9600 baud data that is sent by
[12:08] <daveake> For testing a breadboard is fine, but not not not never ever for flyijng
[12:08] <daveake> costyn it whistles
[12:08] <costyn> daveake: heh ok
[12:09] <costyn> basically just a bit of extra noise on the channel
[12:09] <ibanezmatt13> so shall i solder onto stripboard for my fligjht?
[12:09] <daveake> it doesn't care and no-one else does either
[12:09] <daveake> Well it's only at startup
[12:10] <fsphil> would be super interesting for someone with a high gain antenna to try and decode the 9600 baud data :)
[12:10] <costyn> daveake: but what about when you poll your GPS? or do you let it print out NMEA strings?
[12:10] <daveake> I use NMEA. I switch off all the sentences I don't want then I leave it to send the others (GGA and RMC) every second
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> When I send the GPS position data over radio, is it just a case of sending the string or do Ihave to convert it?
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> i mean sending the string to the serial pin
[12:11] <mattbrejza> can the pi GPIO go Hi-Z? if so you would only need one resistor to make a crude disable signal for the GPS serial
[12:11] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: you should convert it to a string that everyone can decode
[12:11] <costyn> ibanezmatt13: there's a standard
[12:11] <ibanezmatt13> a standard?
[12:12] <daveake> matbrejza yes you can sey a pin as i/p and switch off the pull-up
[12:12] <daveake> set
[12:12] <daveake> standard-ish
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> i see
[12:12] <daveake> everyone changes it a bit to add temperature etc - whatever they're interested in
[12:12] <costyn> UKHAS standard :)
[12:12] <ibanezmatt13> I'll stick with the standard
[12:13] <fsphil> makes sense, means we can all help with the tracking
[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks fsphil
[12:13] <fsphil> and you get to use the super funky live tracker
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[12:13] <ibanezmatt13> shall i register with ukhas then?
[12:13] <daveake> It's a flexible standard, so you can add extra fields to it as you wish
[12:14] <jonsowman> ibanezmatt13: sign up to the mailing list if you've not alrady
[12:14] <jonsowman> *already
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> I'll do that
[12:14] <ibanezmatt13> what's the mailing list?
[12:14] <mattbrejza> ibanezmatt13: daveake http://imgur.com/zSD1Ulo - setting pin 2 to high disables data to the GPS, setting pin 2 as input enables it
[12:14] <jonsowman> fine zeusbot
[12:14] <jonsowman> hate you too
[12:14] <jonsowman> >.>
[12:14] <HixWork> heh
[12:14] <jonsowman> ibanezmatt13: http://groups.google.com/group/ukhas
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[12:15] <HixWork> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/ukhas
[12:15] <HixWork> ahh
[12:15] <daveake> mayybrejza That is a nice idea
[12:15] <ibanezmatt13> I'll have a look at all this stuff definitel
[12:15] <daveake> And let me know what CAD software you used :p
[12:15] <mattbrejza> heh
[12:15] <costyn> haha
[12:15] <jonsowman> haha
[12:16] <mattbrejza> much quciker than opening eagle
[12:16] <daveake> I bet
[12:16] <jonsowman> that's poor even by your standards mattbrejza
[12:16] <jonsowman> you could've at least used the rectangle tool
[12:16] <mattbrejza> na thats about usual jonsowman
[12:16] <jonsowman> lol
[12:16] <daveake> It's the 5:1 ratio between resistor sizes :)
[12:17] <mattbrejza> im using a ball mouse, thats why...
[12:17] <Spoz> weee, squiggly http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=9b8eff7a9718d6fa4a3717cad405770e3be49a1b
[12:17] <jonsowman> you're using _paint_, that's why
[12:17] <jonsowman> Spoz: very typical path shape
[12:17] <jonsowman> skewed 'S'
[12:18] <Spoz> hm, my last one was a straight line
[12:18] <mattbrejza> im not entirely sure a predictor is needed in aus, its not as if youll hit the sea
[12:18] <daveake> Get an Etch-a-Sketch
[12:18] <Spoz> we have some strict air traffic control obligations
[12:18] <jonsowman> tell that to Darkside mattbrejza
[12:19] <HixWork> heh
[12:19] <ibanezmatt13> may I ask, what does the checksum do?
[12:19] <mattbrejza> well unless it floats
[12:19] <mattbrejza> also is he on the coast?
[12:20] <jonsowman> everyone in aus in on the coast, since the middle is inhospitable desert
[12:20] <HixWork> ibanezmatt13, "The integrity of the data can be checked at any later time by recomputing the checksum and comparing it with the stored one. If the checksums match, the data was likely not accidentally altered"
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> so it's a form a parsing the data?
[12:20] <jonsowman> it's a form of error checking
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> i see
[12:20] <ibanezmatt13> thansk
[12:20] <jonsowman> you receive your string
[12:20] <jonsowman> then you compute its checksum
[12:21] <jonsowman> then you see if it matches the checksum that was sent with the string
[12:21] <jonsowman> if it doesn't, then either a) your string was received incorrectly and you should not trust it, or b) your checksum was recieved incorrectly
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> i see, thanks for the info
[12:21] <ibanezmatt13> thanks
[12:21] <jonsowman> however if they match, you can be more confident that the data in your telemetry is 'as sent'
[12:22] <mattbrejza> yea some bits of inland aus are somewhat greener than others
[12:22] <ibanezmatt13> I'm gonna have to sign out now guys. End of a free period in school, got to do some physics now :) Speak soon, thanks again :)
[12:22] <jonsowman> see you
[12:22] <daveake> Obligatory Note: The CRC-16 checksum is waaaaay more likely to find errors and not allow through errors than XOR-8
[12:22] <jonsowman> yes you might as well not bother with XOR-8
[12:22] <jonsowman> waste of everyone's time
[12:23] <daveake> I think I said that :)
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[12:24] <daveake> Perhaps "If you use XOR-8 your payload will spontaneously combust"?
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[12:33] <DanielRichman> If you use xor, I will find you (at the next conference) and
[12:34] <jonsowman> :)
[12:34] <mattbrejza> quietly remove the open from genpayload
[12:34] <mattbrejza> *option
[12:34] <jonsowman> the latter part of that sentence has been redacted
[12:35] <DanielRichman> we have had actual strings (like, it's not just us moaning) where the stars aligned, and the xor checksum passed a string which clearly had errors, yet the errors happened to leave it parsable (and the data vageuly plausible)
[12:35] <UpuWork> meh to xor
[12:35] <jonsowman> many times
[12:36] <Darkside> urgh, XOR
[12:36] <DanielRichman> mattbrejza: will do that at some point
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[12:37] <fsphil> You won't find me if I use XOR, my coordinates will be wrong and you won't be able to tell. Muhgahaha!
[12:37] <DanielRichman> https://github.com/ukhas/genpayload/issues/22
[12:37] <DanielRichman> tad.
[12:37] <DanielRichman> uh
[12:37] <DanielRichman> *tada
[12:38] <jonsowman> "It's silly"
[12:38] <jonsowman> nice
[12:39] <mattbrejza> oh no!
[12:39] <mattbrejza> im out of biscuits
[12:39] <jonsowman> you could do some work instead
[12:39] <jonsowman> :p
[12:39] <mattbrejza> ssh
[12:39] <mattbrejza> almost lunchtime
[12:39] <jonsowman> lol
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[14:14] <M0TVU> Good afternoon. This mornings test from Fort Dunlop went well with a few local amateurs picking up the signal.
[14:15] <fsphil> sweet
[14:15] <fsphil> what sort of ranges?
[14:16] <M0TVU> About 3 miles
[14:16] <M0TVU> was the furthest
[14:16] <fsphil> what sort of gain did they have? at that range it shouldn't need much at all
[14:17] <M0TVU> Another Question : - I plan to use dl-fldigi tonight. can i adjust the configuration so that I just run it in sort of 'offline' mode. I just want to test that I have a correct datastring without plottingit on the map
[14:17] <fsphil> in offline mode it will basically work the same as fldigi
[14:18] <M0TVU> The guy furhest away was just unsing a simle co-linear white stick arrangement
[14:18] <costyn> M0TVU: be aware that some functions, like downloading payload configurations, do not work in offline mode
[14:18] <M0TVU> Does that mean I can see the datastring ....
[14:18] <costyn> M0TVU: yes, you'll be able to see it
[14:18] <fsphil> you will see it yea
[14:19] <M0TVU> That's fine for testing
[14:19] <fsphil> if you want you can also create a payload document in habhub
[14:19] <M0TVU> I'll give that a go tonight. I have to adjust the pic code to reflect the UKHAS protocol
[14:19] <M0TVU> What's habhub?
[14:20] <costyn> ukhas master control center :P
[14:20] <M0TVU> lol
[14:20] <M0TVU> ok
[14:20] <costyn> M0TVU: our central server
[14:20] <fsphil> it's the engine behind spacenear.us
[14:20] <fsphil> http://habitat.habhub.org/
[14:20] <costyn> M0TVU: habhub.org
[14:20] <fsphil> habitat is its proper name
[14:20] <M0TVU> Ok. I just wanted to make sure I was doing things right
[14:20] <fsphil> you're quite far ahead already from the sounds of it :)
[14:21] <M0TVU> I didn't want to add something that wasn't actually in flight. It's just a test to make sure software and hardware are behaving
[14:22] <costyn> M0TVU: yea most of us have that problem... there's an idea floating around to make a test spacenear.us which only shows test payloads, but not sure of the status of that
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[14:22] <M0TVU> I have a LOT of work to do in both. Although everything is working there is currently no fail safe. I use the voltage divider method for the NTX2 and keep the transmitter always enabled. I plan t move this to a pin on the pic to enable only when sending
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[14:23] <fsphil> might I suggest keeping the radio on all the time
[14:23] <costyn> M0TVU: it makes it easier to track if it's on all the time
[14:23] <fsphil> it makes it vastly easier to track
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[14:23] <cuddykid> new styrofoam legs on the hexacopter - almost ready for flight 3 :) wonder what I can destroy this time..
[14:23] <fsphil> ideally between strings you transmit a very long stop bit
[14:23] <M0TVU> I also want to test comms from the GPS. At present if the GPS doesn't respond then the code sits waiting for an answer. I need a timeout.
[14:23] <fsphil> or keep transmitting 0x00
[14:24] <fsphil> timeouts are good yea
[14:24] <M0TVU> Also I want to use something to test for low voltage - and report this. If the battery is about to die I get a message etc....
[14:25] <costyn> M0TVU: well not much you can do about low voltage if you do get that message.
[14:25] <costyn> M0TVU: you are using a voltage divider right?
[14:25] <M0TVU> I'm just trying to make things more robust.
[14:25] <costyn> M0TVU: you can inlcude your battery voltage in the string you send out
[14:25] <M0TVU> Yes voltage divider
[14:25] <costyn> M0TVU: then you can know your voltage at all times
[14:25] <M0TVU> I was going to do that witht he pic
[14:26] <fsphil> yea I've setup my board to be able to sense battery voltage
[14:26] <costyn> M0TVU: but really, unless you're doing a floater, batteries are of little concern... they will last vastly longer than your flight
[14:26] <M0TVU> I think it makes sense
[14:26] <fsphil> switching the ntx2 off will cause a really big shift when you power it back up
[14:26] <fsphil> and the AFC in fldigi will wander away from where the signal is
[14:27] <fsphil> so each string would require manual retuning
[14:27] <M0TVU> Mmmm. Ok - As a radio ham it just made sense to let go over the PTT once in a while. Would save battery too :-)
[14:28] <M0TVU> over* of
[14:28] <fsphil> with a better radio it would be a good idea :)
[14:28] <fsphil> or maybe if the flight is going to last for a few days
[14:28] <M0TVU> MaybeI need to design a new NTX2 lol
[14:29] <fsphil> if you made a better NTX2 you'd be very popular :)
[14:29] <M0TVU> :-)
[14:29] <M0TVU> You never know ....
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[14:29] <mattbrejza> http://dx.com/p/cc1101-wireless-module-w-external-antenna-blue-160898
[14:29] <mattbrejza> somewhat more effort though
[14:30] <costyn> mattbrejza: looks nice, but what advantage does this offer over an RFM22b?
[14:31] <mattbrejza> the rfm has internal caps for the oscillator which means when the IC heats up and cools when you power cycle the crystal drifts
[14:31] <mattbrejza> also its just something different
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[14:32] <mattbrejza> and comes with a SMA connector, which are like £3 for a start
[14:32] <costyn> mattbrejza: yea, but in practice it's 'good enough' right
[14:32] <mattbrejza> so cheaper than the rfm :)
[14:32] <costyn> true
[14:32] <costyn> might be interesting for pico's
[14:32] <mattbrejza> also the rfm has reliably issues at low temperature
[14:32] <mattbrejza> not to say that doesnt might it might not
[14:32] <costyn> say what
[14:32] <costyn> oh that $7 unit
[14:33] <mattbrejza> yea that almost made sense
[14:33] <M0TVU> I notice most of you guys seem to use the Arduino. I come from a PIC background and have developed my own board. I hope to have a few prototype PCB's made soon if anyone fancies testing one?
[14:33] <mattbrejza> eww PIC :P
[14:33] <fsphil> I started of with PICs, long time ago :)
[14:33] <costyn> M0TVU: you won't find many people enthuisiastic about PIC here, unfortunately for you :)
[14:33] <jonsowman> s/here//
[14:33] <mattbrejza> raw avr / msp430/ arm
[14:34] <costyn> jonsowman: lol
[14:34] <mattbrejza> also eww arduino but lets not start that now
[14:34] <fsphil> but being able to write programs with GCC brought me over to AVRs
[14:34] <fsphil> as much as I like assembly
[14:34] <M0TVU> Wow - the Arduino is strong with yo ..... lol
[14:34] <fsphil> yea I'm not an arduino fan either :)
[14:34] <fsphil> but I see why people like it
[14:35] <M0TVU> I'll soldier on with my PIC solution
[14:35] <fsphil> steve uses PICs iirc
[14:35] <costyn> well it's just that the learning curve is nice and easy for AVRs. I'm sure you guys are right about ARM being much better, but it's a lot to learn :)
[14:36] <fsphil> I'm lazy, and the toolchains for AVR are already packaged up for fedora, and flashing it is just a matter of running avrdude
[14:36] <mattbrejza> http://dx.com/p/rf1100-232-cc1101-433mhz-wireless-rf-transceiver-module-154571
[14:37] <fsphil> I suspect arm will become that easy soon
[14:37] <mattbrejza> reprogram that AVR, attach a GPS and you have a payload
[14:37] <M0TVU> Has anyone done anything with Rasperry Pi?
[14:37] <costyn> mattbrejza: which AVR does it have?
[14:37] <costyn> M0TVU: yes, daveake has
[14:37] <fsphil> M0TVU: http://www.daveakerman.com/
[14:37] <M0TVU> I have an idea of streaming via slowscan TV for the ascent.
[14:38] <fsphil> I made a system that sends images over RTTY
[14:38] <mattbrejza> not syre costyn
[14:38] <fsphil> called SSDV
[14:38] <M0TVU> I don't hold much hope for it but it would be cool to see what you could do with a webcam and a Raspberry Pi sending slowscan
[14:38] <mattbrejza> costyn: its a atmega48
[14:39] <costyn> mattbrejza: intersting
[14:39] <mattbrejza> i also spy a 6 pin header
[14:39] <mattbrejza> http://www.marcmart.com/ebay/o/OT126/OT126-3m.jpg
[14:39] <costyn> mattbrejza: gonna be tough to get tracker code into 4K
[14:40] <mattbrejza> na easily doable
[14:40] <mattbrejza> just dont use "tiny"GPS
[14:40] <costyn> :)
[14:41] <UpuWork> or software serial
[14:43] <fsphil> 4K is huge :)
[14:44] <jonsowman> just remove that avr and whack a 328 on
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[14:45] <mattbrejza> i would question the need
[14:45] <jonsowman> well, if you did need/want to
[14:45] <jonsowman> it wouldn't be hard
[14:46] <mattbrejza> yea but then might as well get the one without the avr
[14:46] <jonsowman> true
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[14:48] <mattbrejza> when the new max7s come out you wouldnt even need a regulator
[14:50] <UpuWork> yep
[14:50] <UpuWork> 1.6-3.7v
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[14:54] <M0TVU> xx
[14:55] <M0TVU> oops
[14:58] <M0TVU> Question: - What connectors should be used to connect GPS antenna?
[14:59] <UpuWork> depends the passive ones just solder on
[14:59] <M0TVU> If when I stick it all in a box what connector is most common
[14:59] <UpuWork> if you're using an active one an SMA
[14:59] <UpuWork> The passive ones are fine
[14:59] <UpuWork> which GPS are you using ?
[15:00] <M0TVU> Lassen SK8 at the moment but version 2 will use the trimble corpy thingy
[15:00] <UpuWork> an old one ?
[15:00] <UpuWork> Trimble Lassen IQ ?
[15:00] <M0TVU> I'm going to remove the connector from the SK8 and take it to a connector on the box
[15:01] <M0TVU> Trimble Lassen SK8
[15:01] <UpuWork> does that work above 18km ?
[15:02] <M0TVU> I think not hence version 2
[15:03] <M0TVU> copernicus II - http://www.trimble.com/embeddedsystems/copernicus2.aspx?dtID=overview&
[15:04] <UpuWork> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:gps_modules
[15:05] <UpuWork> why not use a uBlox ?
[15:05] <UpuWork> Trimble Copernicus does work if you have one
[15:05] <UpuWork> just make sure its in air mode
[15:05] <UpuWork> for antenna depends what your antenna is, I use a SMA if I'm doing active antennas
[15:05] <UpuWork> nice and solid
[15:05] <UpuWork> the u.Fls can be a little fragile
[15:07] <M0TVU> I can get the trimble ones at a 'mates rate' ;-)
[15:09] <fsphil> still not much good if it stops working half way :)
[15:09] <fsphil> although it would probably start working again on the way down
[15:11] <UpuWork> the ublox are only £14 :)
[15:11] <HixWork> that how much 7s are gonna be?
[15:11] <UpuWork> well £15.95 ex VAT use the voucher
[15:11] <UpuWork> same
[15:11] <UpuWork> they are the same cost price
[15:11] <HixWork> ahhh
[15:12] <HixWork> k
[15:12] <UpuWork> unless I buy 500
[15:12] <HixWork> any idea when they drop
[15:12] <HixWork> as in arrive not in price
[15:12] <UpuWork> I've put an order in for some 6Q's or 7C's
[15:12] <UpuWork> just waiting to see what turns up
[15:12] <HixWork> 6's i'll bet
[15:12] <UpuWork> yep
[15:12] <HixWork> heh
[15:13] <HixWork> have you asked mitch about sourcing stuff?
[15:13] <HixWork> surely he's got contacts over there
[15:17] <UpuWork> ublox aren't made in china
[15:18] <UpuWork> but I have asked him he doesn't seem interested
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[15:31] <HixWork> ahh oki.
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[16:18] <arko> morning
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[16:19] <chrisstubbs> afternoon
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[16:27] <Willdude123> Good afternoon.
[16:28] <chrisstubbs> i would love to know how daveake manages to make cutouts for components in his foam so neatly
[16:28] <chrisstubbs> trying to do it with a stanley knife is messy!
[16:28] <arko> i want to know where he buys the foam
[16:28] Action: Willdude123 points to daveake
[16:29] <daveake> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNDERFLOOR-HEATING-INSULATION-Under-Floor-Ins-x-10mm-/230404484256?ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:3160
[16:29] <chrisstubbs> yes it seems to be a little more dense and pink then loft insulation foam
[16:29] <chrisstubbs> aha there we go ;)
[16:29] <arko> ohh
[16:30] <daveake> There's pink or blue. Same stuff essentially different manufacturers
[16:30] <arko> cool
[16:30] <daveake> Much much better than the white-gets-everywhere stuff
[16:30] <arko> i need to find some us suppliers now :P
[16:30] <arko> off to google
[16:30] <arko> now that i know what it is
[16:30] <chrisstubbs> I got some orange stuff from wickes
[16:30] <chrisstubbs> how do you make the cutouts daveake?
[16:31] <chrisstubbs> for ntx2 etc
[16:31] <daveake> sharp knife
[16:31] <daveake> The type where the blades are in snappable sections
[16:31] <number10> be carefull of fingers
[16:31] <daveake> ahem
[16:31] <chrisstubbs> any method for making the bottom flat? or just gouge it?
[16:31] <chrisstubbs> oiii none of that ;)
[16:31] <daveake> Yes use thin sheets then stick them together with UHU glue
[16:32] <arko> smart
[16:32] <chrisstubbs> Ah i see! shame mine is 30mm or so thick :(
[16:32] <chrisstubbs> might have another go at hot wire cutting if need be
[16:43] <fsphil> layering it is vastly easier than cutting out the cavities like I do
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> i may have built the perfect tool
[16:44] <chrisstubbs> time to give it a try
[16:44] <gonzo_> don't use sealent like I did. Otherwise the enclosure will be twice the weight you planned
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[16:45] <arko> http://codepen.io/stuffit/pen/KrAwx
[16:45] <arko> neato
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[16:49] <chrisstubbs> http://flic.kr/p/e5YXrz this may need some refinment
[16:50] <Willdude123> I need to make a list of stuff to buy if I'm making a tracking station.]
[16:50] <number10> Willdude123: dont spend too much
[16:51] <number10> try one of those dongles from cosycave
[16:52] <Willdude123> I'll make a spreadsheet .
[16:52] <Willdude123> Listing the items I'll need.
[16:52] <UpuWork> a) Antenna on roof
[16:52] <mfa298> In terms of tracking, some sort of reciever (sdr dongle is a cheap starting point) and an antenna (which you can make fairly cheaply)
[16:52] <UpuWork> thats it
[16:52] <UpuWork> afk
[16:52] <number10> well I think wire for 1/4 wave, some coax and the donglr ... job done
[16:52] <Willdude123> UpuWork: I can't.
[16:53] <Willdude123> What's the best Yagi tutorial?
[16:53] <number10> dont worry about a yagi yet
[16:53] <Willdude123> Just wire?
[16:54] <number10> make a 1/4 wave antenna from 5 bits of wire @16.5cm
[16:54] <mfa298> Willdude123: if you want to start off with a simpler antenna look at somthing like a dipole or 1/4 whip
[16:54] <number10> google 1/4 wave
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[16:54] <Willdude123> Bear in mind I'm never going to make a tracker.
[16:54] <number10> do you have a soldering iron?
[16:54] <Willdude123> I need a HABamp from Upu.
[16:55] <Willdude123> My granddad has one, I can borrow that.
[16:55] <number10> thats good
[16:55] <mfa298> For antennas I'd suggest start with something simple (1/4 wave or dipole) and then worry about more complex antennas (yagi) later
[16:55] <number10> ask him if he has any old copper wire Willdude123
[16:56] <Willdude123> mfa298: Will one pick anything up?
[16:56] <mfa298> a lot of it is down to location
[16:56] <number10> I still track with a simple 1/4 wave
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[16:57] <number10> same sort of thing that you have on the balloon
[16:57] <Willdude123> I live in Basingstoke, Hampshite, is there much to pick up there?
[16:57] <mfa298> the pico that was flown a month ago I was getting with a simple home made dipole for a different band until it went below the horizon
[16:57] <Willdude123> *Hampshire LOL
[16:57] <mfa298> a yagi would probably only have gotten me a few more packets as it was getting lower
[16:57] <Willdude123> I'll order one soon, they're cheap.
[16:58] <number10> Willdude123: once someone launches - if its in the south of england and up at 10km you will receive it (as long as you are not inside a tin shed)
[17:00] <Willdude123> Okay. I wanna get daveake's Pi images, any chance of that?
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[17:00] <Willdude123> So how do I arrange this copper wire?
[17:01] <number10> do a google search how to make 1/4 wave antenna
[17:01] <Willdude123> Oh.
[17:02] <Willdude123> First result is a forum, not looking good.
[17:02] <anerDev> hey hey guys !
[17:02] <number10> well you have only spent 1 minute looking - try a little more
[17:03] <Willdude123> Any good? http://www.timzaman.com/?p=1888&lang=en
[17:04] <number10> it worked
[17:04] <HixWork> Willdude123, looks like this http://i.imgur.com/djBPnIj.png
[17:05] <Willdude123> So solder 4 wires together?
[17:05] <HixWork> where the vertical bit is soldered to the core of the coax
[17:05] <HixWork> and the 4 radials are connected to the sheath
[17:05] <Willdude123> I am going to need a stick.
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> hard at work HixWork ;)
[17:05] <HixWork> its CAD aint it
[17:06] <HixWork> just so happens that the thing i'm working on happens to share a massive resemblance to a 1/4 wave on some pvc pipe
[17:06] <HixWork> honest guv
[17:06] <mfa298> generally you have one piece of wire connected to the centre of the coax sticking up and then more bits of wire connected to the braid sticking out (or even down slightly) (these are the ground plane)
[17:06] <chrisstubbs> catia does simulation right?
[17:07] <HixWork> can do, what sort of sim you mean though
[17:07] <chrisstubbs> RF :P Get the virtual SWR meter up and tune that thing
[17:07] <HixWork> it can simulate being a cad package on a good day :)
[17:07] <mfa298> 4 bits of wire on the ground plane is fairly common (less gives a slighlty odd reception pattern, more ground plane wires help a bit but not much)
[17:08] <HixWork> no RF as far as i know chrisstubbs
[17:08] <Willdude123> I'll need 434mhz so... 16.4cm length and the same for each radial?
[17:08] <HixWork> thats left to the magic smoke sector of rng
[17:08] <HixWork> *eng
[17:08] <HixWork> yup Willdude123
[17:08] <Willdude123> What materials will I need?
[17:09] <Willdude123> Just wire and a stick?
[17:09] <Willdude123> :)
[17:09] <Randomskk> not that the radial length is super critical
[17:09] <HixWork> some pvc pipe [cheap as chips, may get some free off a plumber] and some copper wire
[17:09] <number10> get some old tv coax - (its 75 ohm instead of 50 ohm ) but will work ok
[17:09] <Randomskk> only the driven element needs to be 16.4
[17:09] <HixWork> free off a sparkie - think ~2.5mm twin and earth flex
[17:09] <Willdude123> Driven element?
[17:09] <HixWork> ther pointy uppie part
[17:10] <number10> the bit connected to the core
[17:10] <HixWork> that too :)
[17:10] <mfa298> personally I'd steer clear of TV coax, it's super lossey!
[17:10] <Willdude123> What should I use?
[17:10] <number10> it wont matter for a first cheap hab tracker
[17:10] <HixWork> you can get RG58 super cheap Willdude123
[17:10] <HixWork> <£1/m
[17:11] <Willdude123> Maplin might do it?
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> its even reasonable at maplin (1.50/m)
[17:11] <HixWork> screwfix prob do it cheaper Willdude123
[17:11] <HixWork> they're everyfrikkinwhere
[17:11] <chrisstubbs> if screwfix do rg58 my life is complete
[17:12] <HixWork> heh
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> toolstation dont though, i love toolstation
[17:12] <Willdude123> chrisstubbs: Maplin have asked me how their site can be improved. Any ideas? :)
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> pdf
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> or flash
[17:12] <chrisstubbs> what else do we hate about the internet
[17:13] <HixWork> they can halve their prices on the site tell em Willdude123
[17:14] <number10> Willdude123: If you dont have much money to spend try experimenting with stuff you can get for free, and then you can always experiment and improve things
[17:14] <number10> -- experiment
[17:14] <number10> or ++ in my case
[17:15] <Willdude123> I'll order a dongle, buy some RG58 from Maplin and get a HABamp from Upu, might talk to him about the ordering options for that.
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> i tracked my first flight with a DIY yagi made from scraps of copper cable, some TV 75 ohh coax (not good) and no habamp
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> and i still loved it
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> 0 decoded strings, but i was close on 1!
[17:15] <Willdude123> Didn't find it then?
[17:16] <number10> tracking other people balloons first is a good idea
[17:16] <chrisstubbs> oh no sorry i was tracking someone elses
[17:16] <number10> +s
[17:16] <chrisstubbs> :P
[17:16] <Ciemon> Willdude123: what dongle are you after?
[17:16] <HixWork> go to cosycave for that
[17:16] <Ciemon> I have a funcube dongle sat here doing nothing.
[17:17] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/AMsmQ
[17:17] <HixWork> oh, that'd be better then
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[17:19] <HixWork> flight report cuddykid
[17:19] <Ciemon> HixWork: was that you answering for Willdude123?
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[17:19] <cuddykid> HixWork: didn't fly in the end - having a problem with one of the ESCs - not spinning the motor (same as before) - sending it back and they're going to swap it out
[17:19] <HixWork> i posdted a link then saw you were offering a fcd
[17:19] <HixWork> ah bad break cuddykid
[17:20] <cuddykid> HixWork: stuck some styrofoam legs on to raise it off the ground a bit more and hopefully cushion the crash landings a bit
[17:20] <Ciemon> Ahh ok. Guessing how short for cash Willdude123 might be I thought I'd offer it.
[17:21] <HixWork> yup, kinda thought that, just timed my post badly :)
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[17:25] <Willdude123> Ciemon: Nah thanks, they're quite cheap, it's just a case of convincing my parents.
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[17:26] <Ciemon> Willdude123: do you want the FCD?
[17:26] <Ciemon> It's one of the first.
[17:27] <Willdude123> FCD?
[17:27] <Ciemon> Sorry, funcube dongle. Cheaper than that other bit of kit
[17:30] <daveake> I've had great results with my FCD
[17:30] <Willdude123> According to pisg, 40% of my messages are questions.
[17:30] <Willdude123> https://www.cosycave.co.uk/product.php?id_product=287
[17:31] <Willdude123> That any good?
[17:31] <Ciemon> daveake: do you think that Willdude123 would get on with it OK?
[17:31] <Willdude123> FCDs are expensive.
[17:32] <mfa298> If the FCD+ works as well on 434MHz as it did on HF it's going to be much better than a rtl-sdr
[17:32] <Willdude123> But they are >100!
[17:32] <Ciemon> Willdude123: If you want this one it's your's for free
[17:33] <Ciemon> s/you's/yours
[17:33] <Ciemon> heh, even hosed that
[17:34] <Ciemon> Willdude123: nothing weird with me offering, I'm a radio ham, I've had it for ages and I don't use it. I'd rather give it to someone who needs it and is interested...
[17:34] <Ciemon> than put it on ebay.
[17:34] <Willdude123> IDK, it's quite expensive to give away, so my parents will probably think it's dodgy.
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[17:35] <Willdude123> I understand that, but they won't.
[17:35] <Randomskk> not to suggest you go behind your parent's backs but they don't need to know how much it costs
[17:35] <Willdude123> I guess.
[17:35] <Randomskk> parents', even. I'm a terrible example
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[17:35] <Willdude123> Ciemon: They wouldn't let UpuWork give me stuff.
[17:36] <Willdude123> I meant Upu.
[17:36] <Willdude123> Stupid tab complete.
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[17:36] <Randomskk> are there any teachers at school who might be able to get involved and could give you the stuff by proxy, plus possibly help with the project?
[17:36] <Ciemon> OK Willdude123, I can appreciate that. This is a second hand FCD, it's a couple of years old, and is worth £10. You can buy it from me if you'd like to.
[17:37] <Willdude123> Do you have paypal?
[17:37] <Willdude123> Does it work well?
[17:38] <Ciemon> Yes I have paypal... it works fine. If you bought it, and didn't like or want it, then I'd give you a full refund.
[17:38] <Willdude123> Does it work better than a cosycave thingy?
[17:38] <Willdude123> Sure, I'll pester my mother about it :). Though she might still say no.
[17:39] <Ciemon> I guess it probably would work better than theh cosycave thing.
[17:39] <daveake> Yes it works much better
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[17:40] <Willdude123> Be happy to accept that.
[17:40] <mfa298> you could also describe it as a specialist radio reciever rather than mentioning HAB specifically.
[17:40] <Ciemon> Excellent.
[17:40] <Willdude123> Ciemon: I'll ask my parents and if they say yes, I'll PM you about it.
[17:40] <mfa298> I was using mine last week to listen to stuff on one of the HF amateur bands
[17:41] <Willdude123> When she said I could follow along with HAB stuff but not do it she thought I'd interpret that as sitting in my bedroom and googling.
[17:41] <Willdude123> Not true.
[17:41] <Willdude123> :)
[17:41] <Ciemon> :) What operating system do you use?
[17:42] <mfa298> it may (or may not) help if you can show you can use it for much more than just hab
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[17:43] <Willdude123> Like watching porn on my laptop!
[17:43] <Willdude123> Kidding.
[17:43] <Ciemon> Lots to be learned from listening on the ham and broadcast bands
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[17:43] <Ciemon> All the data modes etc
[17:43] <Willdude123> Yeah.
[17:44] <Elijah___> What's to dislike about HAB? There are a lot worse things you could be doing :-)
[17:44] <mfa298> with the shortwave bands you can claim your learning about science and how the ionsphere works with propogation whilst improving your foreign language skills by listing to foreign radio
[17:44] <Willdude123> I was talking about SSDV to my dad and a load of other acronyms and he said 'There's an STFU.'
[17:46] <Upu> FCD for £10 ? Bargin
[17:46] <Upu> mega bargin take it and run before he notices he's sold it for £10 :)
[17:47] <Willdude123> Need to talk to parents :(
[17:47] <Randomskk> Upu: it was going for free :P
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[17:47] <Upu> oh even better value
[17:49] <Elijah___> Why don't you have him mail it to your school or something?
[17:49] <Willdude123> IDK.
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[17:49] <Elijah___> Then they don't need to worry about giving out your personal address
[17:49] Nick change: Elijah___ -> Elijah_
[17:49] <Willdude123> I don't really mind doing that.
[17:50] <Elijah_> I can't imagine why else they'd object to getting something for free
[17:51] <Ciemon> I don't mind either :)
[17:51] <Willdude123> I might be able to give you my address.
[17:52] <number10> well.. you do have to listen to parents as Randomskk said, so dont get into trouble
[17:52] <number10> they just want to make sure you are safe
[17:52] <HixWork> the world really has become an uptight place hasn't it. Everyone is deemed to be a wrongun unless proven otherwise. Its a sad refelection on society
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[17:53] <Upu> Ask your parents Will
[17:53] <Upu> eventually they will say yes
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[17:53] <HixWork> Will, show them project Horizon
[17:54] <Upu> at the end of the day they said you couldn't launch
[17:54] <Upu> never said you couldn't listen on other peoples launches
[17:54] <Upu> and its educational
[17:54] <Upu> wait till you "see" whats out there in the radio spectrum :)
[17:55] Nick change: Elwell_ -> Elwell
[17:55] <HixWork> Willdude123, http://horizon.qmgs.walsall.sch.uk/index.html show em this, it shows how educational HAB can be
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[18:07] <Willdude123> Would a helium filled airtight payload be any good?
[18:08] <mfa298> I think in general you need something that can expand with the gas as it gets higher (i.e. a balloon)
[18:09] <mfa298> payloads in the neck of the balloon have been tried by some people
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[18:11] <ibanezmatt13> hi, i am running a python script which uses fswebcam as an executable by running ./program.py however, the program seems to stop running after some time
[18:11] <ibanezmatt13> does anyone know why this is?
[18:12] <Willdude123> Can you upload your script?
[18:13] <Willdude123> Or is it a built in one?
[18:13] <ibanezmatt13> it may take me a few mins but yeah sure, its my own script
[18:14] <Willdude123> Okay.
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[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> http://pastie.org/7114237
[18:16] <ibanezmatt13> its a little rough seen as i had to type it on an android tablet
[18:17] <ibanezmatt13> even as executable it stops afternsome time
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[18:19] <ibanezmatt13> does anybody know how to run python executables in the background from startup on a pi
[18:19] <mfa298> stick an & at the end of the line
[18:19] <mfa298> e.g. ./script.py &
[18:19] <mfa298> works for anything on linux
[18:20] <ibanezmatt13> will that run it in background?
[18:20] <mfa298> the & means run it in the background
[18:20] <Randomskk> though if you close the shell it'l still quit
[18:20] <mfa298> it's similar to hitting ctrl-z and typing bg
[18:20] <ibanezmatt13> thanks. how do i run it from startup?
[18:21] <mfa298> can be worth sticking nohup at the start to stop what Randomskk said
[18:21] <mfa298> e.g. nohup ./script.py &
[18:21] <ibanezmatt13> thanjs guys will try that
[18:22] <mfa298> a better option is to write your script as a daemon - standard approach would be to fork just before the loop and and have the parent exit - but I don't know if you can do that in python
[18:23] <ibanezmatt13> when i eventually send this thing up on a balloon. is the best way to start the program to ssh into the pi? you see, as soon as i disconect the ssh, it stops anynprogram i was running
[18:23] <mfa298> nohup and putting it into the background will stop that happening.
[18:23] <mfa298> but it's probably better to have everything you want running to start at boot
[18:24] <mfa298> it's always possible it will reboot midflight
[18:24] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks for the nohup and & info mfa298 and ra domskk. see you :-)
[18:24] <mfa298> for testing stuff if you want to keep stuff running but disconnnect from the pi look at learning about "screen"
[18:25] <ibanezmatt13> whats screen?
[18:25] <mfa298> it's a small programme that allows you to connect and disconnect from a terminal session
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[18:25] <mfa298> it can also have multiple terminal sessions
[18:26] <ibanezmatt13> ill take a look. where ca n i get it?
[18:26] <mfa298> (a lot of seasoned irc users often use a text based irc client and screen on a unix server)
[18:26] <ibanezmatt13> sorry for the rubbish text, im on a tablrt
[18:26] <mfa298> should be in apt
[18:26] <mfa298> "sudo apt-get install screen" i think
[18:27] <ibanezmatt13> ok, thanks mfa298. i appreciate the help
[18:27] <mfa298> or however you prefer to install packages on rasbian
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[18:38] <ibanezmatt13> after running a program by going nohup ./program.py & how do you terminate the program?
[18:39] <mfa298> kill %1 (if it's the only process like that)
[18:40] <mfa298> although that's only if you're still on the same terminal
[18:40] <ibanezmatt13> is there a way to terminate it more specific to this program. im running several at one time
[18:40] <mfa298> jobs will show everything started from that terminal
[18:40] <ibanezmatt13> if i am not on the same terminal?
[18:40] <mfa298> otherwise you're into finding it from a process listing "ps -ef"
[18:41] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: Where are you going to launch if you do one?
[18:41] <mfa298> and then "kill pid"
[18:41] <mfa298> where pid is the process id from the ps -ef
[18:42] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298 i know how to do that. thanks for reminding me. willdude123. im not sure, maybe somehwere in the middle of the uk near no airports
[18:42] <ibanezmatt13> any launch location ideas. i live in northwest uk near Manchester
[18:42] <Willdude123> Cool. Just wondering if I'd be able to receive your telemetry.
[18:43] <ibanezmatt13> if i can work out how to do that, of course you can
[18:43] <Willdude123> ibanezmatt13: How old are you? How would your school feel about letting you launch from their grounds (if you go to school)?
[18:44] <mfa298> ibanezmatt13: if you find you want to terminate processes like that a lot it could be worth having the script print out its process id when it starts up (or write the process id to a file)
[18:44] <ibanezmatt13> im 15. our school is right below Manchester's transatlantic flight path. they fly over at 6000 ft
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[18:45] <ibanezmatt13> mfa298 thats a good idea. ill look into that
[18:46] <Willdude123> When I do sudo git submodule init from http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi:build-ubuntu, I get "fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git"
[18:46] <ibanezmatt13> i must go now, revision to do. thanks for the help :-)
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[18:46] <Willdude123> Anyone have any ideas, should I just run the windows one with wine?
[18:47] <Randomskk> what
[18:47] <Randomskk> uhm
[18:47] <mfa298> Willdude123: I don't think that's where the git repositry is, I think that's just a document about how to build it
[18:47] <Randomskk> what operating system are you on
[18:48] <Randomskk> I mean the direct answer is it sounds like you need to cd into the dl-fldigi repo after cloning it before you can do the submodule init
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[18:48] <Randomskk> but it's not clear that you should be compiling it yourself to start with
[18:49] <mfa298> also: don't try to build dl-fldigi on a pi (just in case that's what you were planning - I don't think you are)
[18:49] <Willdude123> Nope, I'm not.
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[18:50] <mfa298> hang on I think I might know what's happening.
[18:50] <Willdude123> Anyone got any RTTY samples?
[18:50] <mfa298> did you download the .zip file of the source code ?
[18:50] <Randomskk> Willdude123: what operating system are you on, and do you have a specific reason to try and build it yourself?
[18:50] <Willdude123> Don't I need to?
[18:50] <Randomskk> no, it is already built for a range of operating systems
[18:50] <Randomskk> like windows, OS X, ubuntu
[18:50] <mfa298> if so I think the git commands do fail as it doesn't have the bits for git to be happy
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[18:53] <eroomde> prototype assemble!
[18:53] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/o7t3ERt.jpg
[18:53] <jonsowman> that is very pretty
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[18:55] <Randomskk> eroomde: oh lovely
[18:56] <Randomskk> how are the vertical PCBs supported/connected/
[18:56] <Upu> damn thats neat
[18:56] <Upu> did you get a stencil ?
[18:56] <Upu> must have
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[18:56] <jonsowman> stuff with lots of parallel channels always looks great
[18:56] <eroomde> Randomskk: with those pladtic standoffs
[18:56] <eroomde> 20mm ones
[18:57] <Upu> deliberate solder joins on the big IC ?
[18:57] <eroomde> same as the ones on the bottom but the tesselating ones
[18:57] <eroomde> no not deliberate, i haven't gone round to touch up yet
[18:57] <Upu> rgr
[18:57] <Upu> looks great
[18:57] <Randomskk> eroomde: huh? to hold the pressure sensor daughterboards to the main pressure sensor board?
[18:57] <eroomde> i've just been soldering continuously since lunch and have a badminton match soon so thought i'd take a break now and take a photo of it incase i f it up
[18:57] <eroomde> Randomskk: oh sorry
[18:57] <eroomde> solder
[18:58] <Randomskk> slots in the flat pcb?
[18:58] <eroomde> you can see the fingers on the bottom of the far daughter board
[18:58] <Randomskk> yea
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[18:58] <eroomde> that is soldered to matching fingers on the holder board underneath, with little solder fillets
[18:58] <Willdude123> Upu: Have you got any RTTY samples? I'm bored and want to test my new linux setup.
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[18:58] <Randomskk> ah, nice
[18:58] <eroomde> Upu: yes stnecil
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[18:58] <Randomskk> got it
[18:58] <eroomde> otherwise i'd still be doing it :)
[18:58] <Upu> yeap 1 sec Willdude123
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[18:59] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/files/launch_recordings/
[18:59] <Upu> take your pic
[18:59] <Upu> use http://ava.upuaut.net/files/launch_recordings/uxaben-15122012.wav
[18:59] <Upu> its nice and clear
[18:59] <Upu> thats an actual flight
[19:00] <Upu> could do with trimming that
[19:00] <Upu> there is 3 hours of white noise
[19:00] <Willdude123> It's a 3 hour recording?
[19:00] <Upu> yeah
[19:00] <Upu> its not massive
[19:01] <mfa298> i suspect it's worth running dl-fldigi in offline mode otherwise balloons might appear on spacenear.us and people get confused.
[19:01] <Willdude123> It is, I think.
[19:01] <Upu> 249Mb
[19:01] <Willdude123> How do I check?
[19:01] <Willdude123> 249mb on my internet=10 minutes.
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[19:02] <Willdude123> How do I put it in offline mode?
[19:03] <Upu> Menu bar
[19:03] <Upu> Dl-client -> uncheck Online
[19:03] <Willdude123> Not checked anyway.
[19:03] <Willdude123> I'll configure dl-fldigi while I wait. What are the settings for it?
[19:04] <mfa298> you might find you need to start dl-fldigi in hab mode to get the right features (which I thought defaulted to being online)
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[19:04] <Willdude123> Oh and disable online?
[19:05] <Willdude123> If I put it on online mode, will it upload everything?
[19:05] <Willdude123> How do I start it in hab mode? I'm running it under wine?
[19:05] <mfa298> yep, online mode it starts uploading packets to the central server
[19:06] <Willdude123> So I'm stuck really.
[19:06] <Randomskk> I wouldn't run it under wine
[19:06] <Randomskk> are you on ubuntu?
[19:06] <mfa298> I think you need "--hab" on the command line
[19:06] <fsphil> why are you running it in wine?
[19:06] <Willdude123> Yep.
[19:06] <Randomskk> just install the ubuntu version
[19:06] <Willdude123> Okay.
[19:06] <Randomskk> don't compile it yourself
[19:06] <Randomskk> it's already built and ready for ubuntu
[19:07] <Randomskk> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:simrunbasuita/dl-fldigi
[19:07] <Randomskk> sudo apt-get update
[19:07] <Randomskk> sudo apt-get install dl-fldigi
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[19:09] <G0DJA> That was fun. Clicking on link to the audio brought up a QuickTime error and, on trying to download QuickTime update Firefox crashed...
[19:09] <fsphil> quicktime is useless
[19:09] <Willdude123> So can I run in HAB mode and disable online and then get the configuration for Uxaben and use it?
[19:10] <Upu> it will already be in there
[19:10] <G0DJA> I agree fsphil but without it couldn't/can't get those files - Mind you, I've lost the links now so probably a moot point
[19:11] <Upu> just set RTTY 50 baud 7 bits 2 stop bit manually
[19:11] <fsphil> G0DJA: vlc
[19:11] <Upu> when you have it running we'll tell you how to do it
[19:12] <chrisstubbs> it shocks me people still use realplayer
[19:12] <Willdude123> 170 shift?
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[19:12] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: really?
[19:12] <mfa298> you might also have to do some some trickery to get audio into dl-fldigi - I can't help there, don't need sound on servers which is where my linux knowledge is best
[19:13] <mfa298> you mean realplayer (or even quicktime) still exists ?
[19:13] <fsphil> wine's audio support is iffy at time
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[19:13] <fsphil> use the linux version of dl-fldigi :)
[19:13] <Willdude123> I've checked playback.
[19:13] <Willdude123> And loaded it.
[19:13] <Willdude123> Now what?
[19:13] <Upu> can you see 2 lines on the waterfall ?
[19:13] <Willdude123> I can see 2, but they aren't solid.
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[19:14] <Willdude123> Oh yeah, they shouldn't be solid.
[19:14] <Upu> no they won't be
[19:14] <Upu> ok
[19:14] <Upu> two yellow bars that move with your cursor in the water fall
[19:14] <Upu> place them over the two bars
[19:14] <Willdude123> Yep.
[19:14] <Willdude123> THey aren't far enough apart.
[19:15] <Upu> click Op Mode -> RTTY -> Custom
[19:15] <Upu> Select custom shift
[19:15] <Upu> adjust shift till they match
[19:15] <Upu> and set 50 baud
[19:15] <Upu> 7 bits(ascii)
[19:15] <Upu> and 2 stop bits
[19:15] <Upu> save apply
[19:15] <Upu> name
[19:16] <Upu> ignore name thats me missing Eagle again
[19:17] <eroomde> :wq
[19:17] <Willdude123> Done.
[19:17] <Upu> yes that one eroomde
[19:17] <Upu> ok is it decoding ?
[19:17] <Willdude123> Yes!!
[19:17] <Willdude123> $$uXABEN,774,18:18:43,52.97225,2.36155,4279,1.77,1.80,1.41*8B96
[19:18] <eroomde> nice work
[19:18] <Upu> super
[19:18] <Randomskk> Willdude123: is that in wine?
[19:18] <Willdude123> No.
[19:18] <Randomskk> cool
[19:18] <Willdude123> What does each value mean?
[19:18] <Upu> count,time, long , lat, alt
[19:18] <Willdude123> Is there a way to put it on a map locally.
[19:18] <Upu> no idea what the rest are Steve transmits stuff
[19:19] <Upu> google maps -> 52.97225,2.36155
[19:19] <Randomskk> put @ in front
[19:19] <Randomskk> or it'l give you the nearest database entry, not the point
[19:19] <Upu> lol
[19:19] <Upu> nearest point of interest
[19:20] <Upu> North Sea
[19:20] <Upu> guess where that one was going
[19:20] <Willdude123> Denmark?
[19:20] <Upu> probably I couldn't track it all the way as it went out of my range
[19:20] <bertrik> google's predictive reverse geocoding
[19:20] <Upu> you can hear it getting quieter
[19:21] <Willdude123> I can't hear it.
[19:22] <Willdude123> Accidentally closed. :(
[19:22] <Willdude123> Oh no, I didn't.
[19:23] <Willdude123> Was this a floater?
[19:24] <Willdude123> Can I make it fast forward? :)
[19:26] <Upu> can't recall
[19:26] <Upu> back later on need to get food on
[19:27] <Willdude123> Anyone got SSDV recordings?
[19:27] <number10> that looks nice eroomde , I am sure you have not completed it yet, but are these s/c ? http://i.imgur.com/gdjIln7.jpg
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[19:27] <mfa298> I never even got playback in dl-fldigi to work - I think for that I've played back in something else and routed audio through to dl-flgi
[19:28] <eroomde> about half of them are
[19:28] <eroomde> as i mentioned to upu, have yet to go round with the wick
[19:28] <number10> ah apologies didnt read back all the thread
[19:28] <eroomde> np!
[19:28] <eroomde> i have some history with that chip
[19:29] <eroomde> it's much finer pitch than the usual tqfp, it does tend to bridge quite readily
[19:29] <jonsowman> what is it? lqfp?
[19:30] <Randomskk> l just means 'low'?
[19:30] <jonsowman> hmm what do I mean
[19:30] <jonsowman> can't remember
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[19:31] <Randomskk> fqfp?
[19:32] <Randomskk> but really any qfp might have any pitch
[19:32] <Randomskk> it's another part of the package spec that's not generally in the name
[19:32] <jonsowman> yeah
[19:32] <Randomskk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Flat_Package has some other variants :P
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[19:32] <number10> eroomde: its Symmetry ids pleasing to the eye
[19:32] <number10> -d
[19:33] <chrisstubbs> need to bring the golden ratio into PCB design
[19:33] <eroomde> number10: yes, i'm looking forwards to seeing 4 instances of that stacked vertically
[19:33] <eroomde> for another dimension of symmery
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[19:35] <eroomde> right gtg
[19:35] <eroomde> sorry jonsowman missed that
[19:36] <eroomde> it's <= 0.5mm pitch, can't remember exactly otoh
[19:36] <jonsowman> :)
[19:36] <jonsowman> looks great though
[19:36] <eroomde> noticely narrower than a tqfp avr anyway
[19:36] <Randomskk> tqfp avr is huge
[19:36] <jonsowman> bit of braid and you'll be fine
[19:37] <eroomde> indeed
[19:37] <eroomde> right, gotta go play some sport
[19:37] <eroomde> bbl
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[19:46] <fsphil> Willdude123: http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/ssdv/ssdv-sample-20120916.zip
[19:47] <fsphil> check the readme for settings
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[19:50] <Willdude123> fsphil: Getting nothing but random rubbish.
[19:52] <fsphil> click view > ssdv rx
[19:52] <Willdude123> Still nothing.
[19:52] <fsphil> what is decoded in the normal window is the image data, but as text
[19:52] <fsphil> 300 baud?
[19:52] <Willdude123> Yep.
[19:53] <fsphil> 8-bit, 2 stop bits?
[19:54] <Willdude123> Yeah. I set the carrier shift to 350hz but they aren't far enough apart.
[19:54] <fsphil> the lines should be quite wide compared to 50 baud
[19:55] <Willdude123> But they aren't.
[19:55] <fsphil> are you still playing the 50 baud sample?
[19:55] <Willdude123> Nope.
[19:56] <Willdude123> There's only one red thing as well.
[19:56] <Willdude123> I've gotta do some homework now.
[19:58] <fsphil> it should look something like http://i.imgur.com/ohaFamx.png
[19:58] <fsphil> ignore the blue "decoded packet" bits, that's not in the current version
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[20:02] <Willdude123> Still close together.
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[20:03] <mfa298> are you sure its playing back the right file
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[20:04] <mfa298> the 300baud rtty will sound very different to the 50baud
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[20:05] <Willdude123> Yep.
[20:06] <fsphil> can you take a screenshot?
[20:06] <Willdude123> Sure.
[20:07] <Willdude123> Nope.
[20:07] <Willdude123> Give me a little time and I'll do a screenshot.
[20:07] <mfa298> if you've got the shift right you might also need to increase the recieve filter bandwidth
[20:10] <Willdude123> http://i.imgur.com/ozg1bDW.png?1
[20:11] <mfa298> try changing the recieve filter bandwidth up to around 300
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[20:13] <fsphil> yea that's the bandwidth for 50 baud. I thought that would have changed automatically
[20:14] <fsphil> also turn the SQL off
[20:15] <Willdude123> SQL?
[20:15] <jonsowman> squelch
[20:15] <jonsowman> bottom right
[20:16] <fsphil> man my internet is crawling tonight
[20:16] <Willdude123> Still same problem.
[20:16] <fsphil> it takes about 10 seconds for it to decode anything
[20:17] <Willdude123> The lines are still not far enough apart.
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[20:17] <fsphil> also you are in BPSK31 mode
[20:17] <fsphil> you need to be in RTTY
[20:17] <fsphil> that's why the lines are too close
[20:18] <Willdude123> How do I change mode?
[20:18] <fsphil> in Op Mode
[20:18] <fsphil> select any of the rtty ones
[20:18] <fsphil> you'll need to reset the 300 baud, 8-bit, 2 stop bit settings
[20:19] <fsphil> it's a little flaw in fldigi, if you press apply in the rtty page it doesn't actually change mode
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[20:19] <Willdude123> Yes!
[20:22] <Willdude123> dl-fldigi is so good!
[20:23] <Willdude123> Whoever wrote it deserves a nobel prize in CS to be created for them.
[20:24] <mfa298> I think fldigi has a few people behind it and a big following, the dl- version then has a few hab bits added in by some of the people on here
[20:25] <Willdude123> dl-fldigi on a pi wouldn't work would it?
[20:25] <fsphil> the pi is a bit too slow
[20:25] <mfa298> it doesnt seem to work
[20:25] <Willdude123> What about a beagleboard?
[20:25] <mfa298> although I've seen reports of people running fldigi on a pi successfully
[20:26] <Willdude123> I wonder if an algorithm could be made to prioritize images for ssdv.
[20:29] <fsphil> how so?
[20:29] <mfa298> seems to be a bit of a challenge getting specs for the beagle board but from what I see it looks like it doesn't have much more cpu power than the pi
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[20:30] <mfa298> with some re-writing it might be possible to improve the performance in dl-fldigi but it might be easier to do something new.
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[20:41] <Elijah_> hi there nick
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[20:50] <ibanezmatt13> good evening all :)
[20:51] Action: fsphil waves
[20:53] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[20:54] Action: mfa298 hides (I'm sure I've talked to much this evening already)
[20:54] <ibanezmatt13> I'm looking on the HAB supplies online store at some GPS components. Hmm, what to get?
[20:54] <ibanezmatt13> hi mfa298, indeed you have ;) thanks for the help
[20:56] <mfa298> no problem with that (it's ok I won't hide too much)
[20:57] <ibanezmatt13> :)
[20:58] <Upu> I think you should buy one of everything ibanezmatt13
[20:58] <Upu> but then I am biased
[20:59] <daveake> lol
[20:59] <daveake> only 1?
[20:59] <ibanezmatt13> It's a good idea, but not economically practical for me. haha :)
[20:59] <mfa298> if you're lucky Upu will let you use the CANHAZ4FREE coupon
[20:59] <mfa298> * note that may not work
[20:59] <Upu> the normal 3.3v with the Sarantel will work with a Pi and has I2C
[20:59] <daveake> No, it's PINKROOLZ
[20:59] <Upu> use coupon code UKHAS at check out for 10% off
[21:00] <ibanezmatt13> I'm trying to find a GPS module that will work well with my Pi, but like you say daveake, It may be good to get 2
[21:00] <Upu> I like you Dave
[21:00] <daveake> No get that one
[21:00] <daveake> lol
[21:01] <ibanezmatt13> what do you think of the GPS modules on HAB supplies?
[21:01] <Upu> I can't answer that one
[21:01] <daveake> They're great buy lots
[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> are they all pretty similar?
[21:02] <Upu> I basically sell 3
[21:02] <daveake> Seriously though, get the one with serial and i2c
[21:02] <Upu> Pico one with a chip antenna which is very light but only has serial
[21:02] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: I'll definitely do that
[21:02] <daveake> then you can change your mind later if you want
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[21:02] <Upu> you don't need the 5V version
[21:02] <Upu> Evening Babs
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> how's this one: Assembled uBLOX MAX-6 Breakout With Sarantel Antenna. It is £30 and has TXD, RXD, SCL and SDA. That's serial and i2c sorted
[21:04] <Upu> yep
[21:04] <Upu> thats the one you want
[21:04] <ibanezmatt13> excellent, I'll bookmark it for later
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[21:06] <ibanezmatt13> do you think it would be better to use i2c to get the GPS data and use serial for the radio OR shall I just use serial for both?
[21:08] <Upu> best ask daveake
[21:08] <ibanezmatt13> daveake: do you think it would be better to use i2c to get the GPS data and use serial for the radio OR shall I just use serial for both?#
[21:08] <Upu> lol
[21:10] <ibanezmatt13> ive just been running fswebcam. It seems to have gotten through over an hour but the whole Pi seems to have frozen. I can't see how, it wont let me ssh so something catestrophic has developed
[21:11] <daveake> Either will work I'd go with serial for now
[21:12] <ibanezmatt13> for both gps and radio??
[21:12] <daveake> Re freezing - does your Pi have the USB fuses?
[21:12] <daveake> yes for both
[21:12] <ibanezmatt13> I may sound a little stupid here, what are USB fuses? :|
[21:13] <daveake> freezing is usually a power issue
[21:13] <ibanezmatt13> oh right. Well I usually run with a powered hub, but I thought I'd try it without the hub to simulate a flight. So, in the USB ports I have a wifi dongle and my webcam
[21:14] <fsphil> definitly power
[21:14] <mfa298> agreed with power being likely
[21:14] <ibanezmatt13> how do I avoid this issue?
[21:14] <fsphil> try running the wifi dongle on a powered hub
[21:14] <mfa298> I had issues with a wifi dongle in one of mine
[21:15] <ibanezmatt13> I'm just thinking, in the payload, I won't have a hub, will I?
[21:15] <fsphil> I wouldn't recommend it
[21:15] <daveake> no :)
[21:15] <mfa298> but then you don't need a wifi dongle either
[21:15] <ibanezmatt13> How do you manage power then?
[21:15] <fsphil> the pi can usually power the webcam directly
[21:15] <ibanezmatt13> oh of couse, no need for a wifi dongle in flighjt
[21:15] <mfa298> it might be worth looking at the watchdog stuff on the pi for a flight (assuming it actually works)
[21:16] <daveake> See http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=592 some info there
[21:16] <ibanezmatt13> thanks daveake
[21:17] <ibanezmatt13> you mention that you solder the power connectors onto the pi. What are the names of the places where you solder the wires to?
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[21:19] <ibanezmatt13> oh i see, TP1 AND T2
[21:19] <ibanezmatt13> TP2*
[21:22] <ibanezmatt13> I understand how to send data to the Raspberry Pi's serial pin for radio transmission. However, are there any tutorials available for receiving on the serial pins?
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[21:25] <ali__> hi all, got WASP in final test. Will it show up on spacenear.us now?
[21:26] <fsphil> have you made a flight doc?
[21:27] <ali__> y, should be ok
[21:27] <ali__> upu did approval
[21:27] <fsphil> should be all good theb
[21:27] <Upu> well not me
[21:27] <fsphil> n
[21:27] <Upu> Adam did it
[21:27] <Upu> I'll sort spacenear.us out shortly sorry just a little busy atm
[21:27] <ali__> ok
[21:28] <ali__> getting lots of greens on fl-digi
[21:28] <fsphil> love those :)
[21:28] <daveake> You don't have a gps fix yet
[21:28] <ali__> i do now
[21:29] <ali__> i sent the girls outside :-)
[21:29] <ali__> too cold for me!
[21:29] <daveake> ding :)
[21:29] <ali__> yay!
[21:29] <fsphil> lol
[21:30] <ali__> sn not great. maybe because of buildings etc
[21:30] <ali__> i hope
[21:31] <fsphil> it should be pretty good nearby
[21:31] <daveake> ali__ start time tomorrow?
[21:31] <ali__> but people's bodies make good absorbtion attenuators
[21:32] <ali__> i hope to be there a little after 9, daveake
[21:32] <daveake> ta
[21:32] <ali__> i will text to eta
[21:32] <daveake> cheers
[21:32] <ali__> quite excited
[21:33] <ali__> well, at least the temp readings are roughly correct
[21:34] <ali__> how do i get the variables out of habitat?
[21:36] <mfa298> http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[21:36] <Willdude123> If daveake's launch is going to be when spring comes, I've got plenty of time to build a tracker.
[21:36] <Willdude123> :)
[21:36] <mfa298> although that seems a little bit blank for wasp-1
[21:37] <ali__> hmm
[21:37] <ali__> why is that?
[21:37] <ali__> is that you said you'd do upu?
[21:38] <ali__> is that you said you'd do upu ?
[21:39] Action: Willdude123 wonders if anybody else noticed how the above message sounds weird.
[21:39] <cuddykid> HABHUB iOS app update has been approved at last :)
[21:39] <ali__> this payload is indoors, and still getting gps
[21:39] <Willdude123> :)
[21:39] <ali__> there is a window in the room
[21:39] <ali__> but a bit ambitious!
[21:40] Action: Willdude123 realizes nobody did get that
[21:41] <mfa298> ali__: it might be that now it's got the almanac it works better inside (although I don't know that much about gps so could be wrong there)
[21:41] Action: Willdude123 was about to make a joke about doing Upu but realized it's not worth it.
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[21:41] <ali__> y, i figured that it is probably easier to get updates, than the initial lock
[21:41] <ali__> also, through one window, it will be 1-D :-)
[21:42] <mfa298> I think you've got to download the almanac first which is easier with a good signal (and possibly more sats)
[21:42] <ali__> y
[21:43] <ali__> right, time to clear up the table and get ready for tomorrow
[21:45] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: status bar info/animations have been enabled for v1.3 - live in the App Store now: https://t.co/pyFJeejWfW #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/316304911887372288]
[21:46] <Upu> right spacenear.us
[21:46] <Upu> approx launch time Ali ?
[21:47] <arko> jcoxon:
[21:47] <Upu> est burst and ascent rate as well
[21:47] <arko> around?
[21:47] <Upu> its ok Ali sorry its in your mail
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[21:59] <Upu> All yours Ali
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[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[22:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB_Tom
[22:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> 1 Watt 50 MHz tracker is ready to launch :-)
[22:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi Lunar_Lander
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[22:11] <arko> are you launching now?
[22:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: fine, as always :-)
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[22:11] <SP9UOB_Tom> arko: April, 6 at 11 am
[22:12] <arko> awesome!
[22:12] <arko> good luck :)
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[22:12] <arko> i hope, with the help of jcoxon, my hab launching this weekend on spacenear.us
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> and I hope for a good exam on wednesday
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:13] <SP9UOB_Tom> arko: good flight
[22:13] <arko> thanks man, you too
[22:13] <Lunar_Lander> good flights to you two
[22:14] <arko> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=5bcbcc6067e0e02a85c3c8aa275d0f887ff0ddd8
[22:14] <arko> hoping to not hit the only water in 100's of miles
[22:14] <arko> or those mountains
[22:15] <arko> Lunar_Lander: how close did you hab land to the originally predicted spot?
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> good question
[22:16] <Lunar_Lander> let me check
[22:16] <arko> how close were you to your necklift target?
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> I think we had some more lift than planned
[22:17] <arko> ok
[22:17] <Lunar_Lander> as we didn't take measured ballast but a wine bottle which was about 100 g heavier
[22:17] <arko> gotcha
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[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> and the descent was slower than planned somehow
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> so it landed more due to east
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> in the prediction it would have landed well west of the river
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[22:19] <arko> estimate km's?
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> maybe 10 km
[22:21] <arko> oh wow
[22:21] <arko> that's pretty close
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:25] <mfa298> I think the predictions have been fairly decent when the winds are being sensible and you get the ascent/descent rates right
[22:25] <arko> yeah
[22:25] <arko> our estimates are close
[22:25] <arko> the descent rate is scary though
[22:25] <arko> 6.37m/s
[22:26] <arko> my hope is the aerodrag of the box will save it
[22:26] <arko> lower it down but who knows
[22:26] <arko> until we test this weekend
[22:26] <arko> this week*
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[22:29] <eroomde> arko: yo
[22:29] <arko> sup dude
[22:29] <eroomde> sleepy
[22:29] <eroomde> been sporting
[22:30] <eroomde> assembling pcbs all day before that
[22:30] <arko> woo!
[22:30] <arko> busy busy
[22:30] <eroomde> got a layer of the new multichannel pressure logger made up
[22:30] <arko> sweet
[22:30] <arko> tested too?
[22:30] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/o7t3ERt.jpg
[22:30] <eroomde> no not tested yet
[22:30] <eroomde> tomorrow
[22:30] <arko> :O
[22:30] <eroomde> + another 3 layers like that
[22:30] <arko> that's artwork
[22:31] <arko> that's going to look so cool with tubes going every which way
[22:31] <eroomde> i'm sure the customer will appreciate that 'it doesn't do anyhthing but.... it's artwork'
[22:32] <eroomde> 'invoice is in the post'
[22:32] <eroomde> it will looks cool with tubes yep
[22:32] <arko> hahaha
[22:32] <arko> use different colors for different banks!
[22:32] <arko> "we call this one 'Rainbow Vomit'"
[22:32] <mfa298> if you could persaude someone its art you could probably make more money from it :p
[22:33] <arko> haha
[22:33] <eroomde> sadly true
[22:33] <eroomde> marketing not my thing
[22:33] <arko> same here
[22:33] <arko> it's boring anyway
[22:35] <eroomde> hardware usually markets itself quite well, i find
[22:35] <eroomde> just put something with blinked leds on the table
[22:35] <eroomde> works on other engineers anyway
[22:36] <mfa298> blinken lights always work well
[22:36] <mfa298> especially with sysadmins and network admins
[22:36] <Willdude123> How did badminton go?
[22:37] <eroomde> 3/1 for
[22:37] <eroomde> better than usual
[22:37] <eroomde> we have something which works ultra well
[22:37] <eroomde> whivh my boss made
[22:37] <eroomde> it's a eurocard full of leds and transforms and analog pwer stuff
[22:38] <eroomde> it takes 12V in and converts it into 400hz AC sine
[22:38] <eroomde> and it's to run 3 of these
[22:38] <eroomde> http://www.aeroconsystems.com/electronics/gyros.htm
[22:39] <eroomde> the rate they output is an inductive pickoff whose phase relative to the input ac is properotional to the angular rate
[22:39] <arko> oh hey!
[22:39] <arko> i have those!
[22:39] <eroomde> anyway, you turn it on and these three gyros gradually whir up to about 20,000rpm with the most wonderful 'the bombomb is about to go off' noise
[22:39] <eroomde> bomb*
[22:40] <eroomde> and then they just sit there singing at 20krpm
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[22:40] <arko> electronic goldmine sells them btw
[22:40] <eroomde> they were interesting at the time
[22:40] <eroomde> but mems is better nowadays
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[22:54] <Laurenceb_> yo eroomde
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> if you arent ban happy i have a helpful link
[22:54] <eroomde> i am never ban happy
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/7982
[22:55] <Laurenceb_> one god gyro for you
[22:56] <eroomde> that does look hecka impressive
[22:57] <eroomde> vibration tolerance will be the thing it lives or dies by for me
[22:57] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[22:59] <eroomde> ty for that
[22:59] <Laurenceb_> np, im using on latest workproject
[23:00] <Laurenceb_> will see how good it is - they have free samples
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[23:14] <arko> eroomde: sorry, work stuff pulled me away
[23:16] <eroomde> it does that
[23:19] <jarod> Can some one help: around 4:00 http://audioboo.fm/boos/1099993-gesprek-verkeerstoren-schiphol-en-piloten-klm-garuda#t=3m54s - he was inbound for the center, and he was uh continuing his decent to through the 3000 down to 2000 feet and all of a sudden he <what does he say last?>
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[23:56] <ali__> right! I think we have it all done!!
[23:56] <ali__> ready to rock and roll
[23:56] <ali__> WASP is GO!
[23:57] <arko> launching it now?
[23:57] <arko> wait it's night time
[23:57] <arko> im guessing tomorrow
[23:57] <arko> good luck!
[23:57] <ali__> I hope y'all will be listening. I can't vouch for the listening station at the school. I've got 2 students on duty, and neither of them have even seen fldigi working
[23:57] <ali__> no no
[23:57] <ali__> tomorrow morning
[23:57] <ali__> about 10:30 am UK time
[23:57] <ali__> I hope
[23:58] <ali__> a bit windy, but it should be possible
[23:59] <arko> oh fun
[23:59] <ali__> yep
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