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[00:17] <chrisstubbs> nice work getting WASP on the tracker m0psi
[00:18] <m0psi> thanks chrisstubbs for your help
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[00:19] <chrisstubbs> no worries! I leave you in safe hands for sorting ouut your flight doc (if anyone is still akwake) haha
[00:19] <chrisstubbs> night all
[00:19] <m0psi> nn
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[00:23] <m0psi> upu: you still here?
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[04:47] Action: arko sips is wine while studying
[04:47] <arko> mmm quite
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[04:48] <nigelvh> Sir Arko
[04:49] <arko> yes?
[04:49] <nigelvh> No, just a statement
[04:49] <arko> ahh yes, quite
[04:50] <nigelvh> Indubitably
[04:50] <arko> something about listening to chiptune while working on transistor logic
[04:50] <arko> good feel
[04:50] <nigelvh> You know anything about magic (RF)?
[04:51] <arko> a little
[04:51] <arko> whats up
[04:52] <nigelvh> I've been trying to make a small, low power amplifier for HF with some 2N2222's, and it keeps kicking my ass. I just want a few milliwatts out, but the best I've managed is just over 1mW
[04:53] <arko> hmm
[04:53] <nigelvh> People obviously more in tune with magic have had success with 2N2222's at like 500mW
[04:53] <arko> how are you biasing it?
[04:54] <nigelvh> Resistor divider
[04:54] <arko> yes but what config?
[04:54] <nigelvh> Fiddling with values around 4.7k and 1k plus or minus a bit.
[04:54] <arko> hmm
[04:54] <nigelvh> Just to get it carrying a bit, and let the RF modulate it.
[04:54] <arko> so you have a voltage divider on the base?
[04:55] <nigelvh> Yes
[04:55] <arko> how about your collector and emitter?
[04:55] <arko> hmm
[04:55] <nigelvh> RF is AC coupled into the base as well. Emitter is to ground through a 10ohm resistor, and collector is through a tapped coil to +V. The tap is the RF output.
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[04:56] <arko> hmm ok
[04:56] <arko> this is HF right?
[04:57] <arko> derp
[04:57] <arko> yeah
[04:58] <arko> do you have a circuit diagram?
[04:58] <arko> also, whats V+?
[05:00] <nigelvh> ideally 12V, but my understanding is most any voltage should work as long as there's headroom to get the RF output you want.
[05:01] <arko> are there any caps on the output?
[05:02] <arko> connecting to emitter or collective?
[05:02] <nigelvh> Not presently.
[05:02] <arko> hmm
[05:02] <arko> this is black magic dude
[05:02] <nigelvh> I fucking know
[05:02] <arko> lol
[05:03] <arko> i cant conceptually solve
[05:03] <arko> :(
[05:03] <nigelvh> I'll keep fiddling. My guess is it's coil related and probably less transistor related, but coils are equally magic.
[05:04] <arko> yeah, also, matching to your antenna
[05:04] <arko> unless it's going right into a power meter
[05:04] <arko> but matching that output impedance is key
[05:04] <nigelvh> Yes, I've been loading the output with 50 ohms, and reading the power on an oscilloscope, so I get what the realistic power would be
[05:04] <arko> ok
[05:05] <arko> i got no clue
[05:05] <nigelvh> At least it's good to have an inkling that I'm not just stupid.
[05:05] <arko> i would just get a fixed inductor
[05:06] <arko> and one fixed cap from C to E
[05:06] <arko> and variable cap in parallel with the coil
[05:07] <nigelvh> Yeah, in theory that would be good, but I don't have time to order parts.
[05:07] <arko> aww
[05:07] <nigelvh> I need this done by friday.
[05:08] <arko> make a capacitor from aluminum foil and wax paper
[05:08] <nigelvh> haha
[05:08] <arko> macgyver it
[05:08] <arko> :P
[05:08] <nigelvh> I'm trying. But I'm not quite as awesome as Macgyver.
[05:09] <nigelvh> Macgyver would manage it with a few paperclips and a pencil lead, but I don't have paperclips either...
[05:18] <nigelvh> I may just settle for 0.256mW
[05:18] <nigelvh> UltraQRP
[05:19] <arko> what
[05:19] <arko> DONT GIVE UP
[05:19] <arko> BE A CHAMPION
[05:20] <nigelvh> HAHAHAHA
[05:20] <arko> how many of these circuits do you have?
[05:20] <arko> if you have a throwaway one, just experiment
[05:20] <nigelvh> Which circuits?
[05:20] <nigelvh> the 2N2222s?
[05:20] <arko> yeah
[05:20] <nigelvh> I'm just trying things on a breadboard.
[05:20] <arko> worst case you cook one
[05:20] <nigelvh> I've got a number of them.
[05:21] <nigelvh> Thoughts on coupling multiple stages? just an AC couple?
[05:21] <arko> hmm
[05:21] <arko> ac couple v+ to C , and C to E
[05:21] <arko> tune V+ to C
[05:21] <nigelvh> Part of my issue may be that I'm expecting a LOT of gain from a single stage.
[05:22] <arko> sounds like it's possible to get better based on others
[05:22] <nigelvh> They may be using more input power
[05:22] <arko> hmm
[05:22] <arko> maybe bias the base differently, perhaps your input power isn't enough to get near turn-on
[05:23] <arko> then again, you wont get anything out if it wasn't
[05:23] <arko> or maybe just equal power
[05:23] <nigelvh> Yes, the problem then becomes how heavily do you bias, and then it just becomes power you're burning.
[05:23] <arko> is this for a hab?
[05:24] <arko> well, you wont know the answer to that question unless you calculate or prototype/measure right?
[05:24] <nigelvh> No, I'm going down to the desert in nevada in a couple days and am making a WSPR beacon.
[05:24] <arko> oh sweet
[05:24] <nigelvh> We're doing rockets.
[05:24] <nigelvh> The FAST habs.
[05:24] <arko> lol
[05:24] <arko> nice
[05:25] <nigelvh> We've got one going this year that if it doesn't totally destroy itself could get above mach 3.
[05:25] <nigelvh> Another that's a rocket launched glider.
[05:25] <nigelvh> Another that's hoped to plow into the ground at Mach 2ish and we're going to see if anything survives.
[05:26] <nigelvh> In summary, loads of fun.
[05:28] <arko> :)
[05:28] <arko> cool
[05:28] <arko> i need to get back to studies
[05:28] <arko> good luck!
[05:28] <nigelvh> Have fun!
[05:28] <nigelvh> (Look out for K7NVH-9 on APRS, I'll be doing that too)
[05:29] <arko> neat!
[05:29] <arko> when?
[05:29] <nigelvh> We start driving at 6AM on saturday, and I'll be heading back midday on Wednesday
[05:30] <arko> where is thiis again?
[05:30] <arko> oh nevada
[05:30] <nigelvh> The Black Rock Desert
[05:30] <arko> come down to LA
[05:30] <arko> it's like 4 hour drive
[05:30] <nigelvh> North Western Nevada
[05:30] <arko> ish
[05:31] <nigelvh> Unfortunately we'll be a bit busy to head off for such an excursion.
[05:31] <arko> psshhh
[05:31] <arko> is this company? public event? private?
[05:32] <nigelvh> It's a "whatever" I volunteer with UW up here, so it's a class of students that made the rockets, but we're pretty open.
[05:32] <arko> oh sweet
[05:33] <arko> awww
[05:33] <arko> it's too far noth
[05:33] <arko> north*
[05:33] <nigelvh> It's just barely in nevada
[05:33] <arko> it's like 2.5 LV's
[05:33] <arko> yeah
[05:33] <nigelvh> and we just cut the tip of california on the drive down.
[05:34] <arko> just the tip
[05:34] <nigelvh> Yep
[05:34] <arko> anyhoo
[05:34] <arko> o well, good luck!
[05:34] <nigelvh> Thanks, enjoy your studies!
[05:34] <arko> heh, thanks!
[05:34] <arko> peace
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[07:04] <nigelvh> arko, progress made. I've got 13dBm now, which I think is reasonable and I can live with.
[07:04] <arko> what was the fix?
[07:05] <nigelvh> Really my calculation is giving me 21-22mW into a 50 ohm load, but I'm rounding down to 13dBm
[07:05] <nigelvh> I fiddled quite a bit more with my bias, and I fiddled some with the coils.
[07:06] <nigelvh> Dumped the tap on the coil, just taking the AC coupled signal straight from where the coil and the C meet, and getting better results.
[07:06] <arko> oh
[07:07] <arko> i thought thats where the output was???
[07:07] <nigelvh> No, there had been a tap on the coil I was taking from (as had been suggested by random internet designs)
[07:09] <nigelvh> I think I'll try one more bit of fiddling (replacing the coil with a larger or smaller one) to see what that does.
[07:10] <nigelvh> Especially seeing as how my current coil is the opposite of science. I took some magnet wire, used a screwdriver as a form, and made about 8 turns.
[07:10] <nigelvh> I'll try with four and twelve and see if it really makes any difference in this application.
[07:10] <eroomde> mornotron
[07:10] <eroomde> or rather,
[07:10] <eroomde> Zulu Felicitations!
[07:10] <nigelvh> Eveningalator
[07:11] <eroomde> the timezine agnostic greeting we invented
[07:11] <nigelvh> I like it
[07:12] <nigelvh> I've been playing with black magic
[07:12] <eroomde> oh?
[07:12] <eroomde> you've now got a tail?
[07:13] <nigelvh> Something like that
[07:13] <nigelvh> If tail in british translates to RF in american
[07:13] <arko> omg
[07:13] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[07:13] <arko> awesommeee
[07:14] <nigelvh> Yes?
[07:14] <arko> i'm going to go on the set of the new COSMOS that is being filmed
[07:14] <arko> next week
[07:14] <nigelvh> Sweet
[07:14] <arko> meet Neil T
[07:14] <arko> DT*
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[07:14] <nigelvh> OMG!!!
[07:14] <nigelvh> NdGT IS LORD OF NERDS
[07:15] <eroomde> PUT A PICTURE OF IT ON REDDIT
[07:15] <arko> NO
[07:15] <nigelvh> You win the internet
[07:15] <arko> i almost dont want to take a picture
[07:15] <arko> just as a f u to reddit
[07:15] <nigelvh> Please please do take a photo
[07:15] <arko> i will
[07:15] <arko> but
[07:15] <arko> i need to ask first
[07:15] <arko> i dont want to reveal the set
[07:15] <nigelvh> Of course
[07:15] <arko> im sure it's regulated
[07:16] <arko> turns out the back to the future guy who produced the restoration
[07:16] <arko> his boss is brandon braga
[07:16] <eroomde> entitle the picture 'look who i met today...'
[07:16] <arko> eroomde <_< oh god
[07:16] <eroomde> and all the comments will be 'oh cool, you met some white guy!'
[07:16] <arko> "KARMA, NOW"
[07:16] <eroomde> the old reddit digereedo
[07:16] <arko> right!
[07:16] <arko> hahaha
[07:16] <arko> same bs
[07:17] <arko> im not posting to reddit
[07:17] <arko> i will share with friends if the pics are ok to release, for sure
[07:17] <arko> oh man im stoked
[07:17] <eroomde> they might be ITAR controlled
[07:17] <arko> LOL
[07:17] <eroomde> neil is a gift from space
[07:17] <eroomde> NTRS is down because of ITAR
[07:17] Action: eroomde is not happy
[07:17] <arko> he's a saint to reddit
[07:18] <arko> i like him because i watched him on nova
[07:18] <arko> pbs show
[07:18] <arko> and he inspires others
[07:18] <arko> which is +++++ in my book
[07:18] <nigelvh> NdGT is a bastion of science and common sense. We need more of him. Plus he's funny.
[07:19] <arko> :)
[07:19] <arko> exactly
[07:19] <eroomde> joshingtalk inpires others
[07:19] <eroomde> he 'inspires their passion'
[07:19] <eroomde> which he claims is english
[07:19] <arko> ok, i'll share, i get to find out this week when it is, thankfully it's right on my spring break before my hab launch
[07:20] <arko> ok, back to studying
[07:21] <nigelvh> Have fun!
[07:21] <nigelvh> I'll keep on with my incantations.
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[07:29] <daveake> eroomde Is it good for your blood pressure and general health to be thinking of J*** this time ni the morning, where the solace of a nice glass of red wine is many hours away?
[07:29] <arko> blah i cant study no more
[07:29] <arko> it's becoming repetitive
[07:30] <nigelvh> I hearz ya
[07:30] <arko> eroomde: dont like neil?
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[07:43] <UpuWork> morning all
[07:44] <daveake> morning
[07:48] <costyn> meuning
[07:53] <number10> morning
[07:55] <arko> morning
[07:58] <x-f> morning
[08:02] <eroomde> arko: nothing againt neil
[08:02] <arko> :P
[08:03] <arko> alright, time to get some sleep in before the last final tomorrow
[08:03] <arko> night!
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[08:05] <costyn> arko: good luck!
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[08:20] <fsphil> morning
[08:20] <fsphil> oh, too late
[08:21] <costyn> there's a typo here http://habhub.org/calc/ it says ballon instead of balloon
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[08:35] <fsphil> how did everyone miss that
[08:35] <costyn> I wonder that myself :)
[08:38] <daveake> Hope that's fixed son
[08:38] <fsphil> its above the thrshold for English FEC anyway
[08:38] <costyn> :D
[08:39] <daveake> Was it the work of number1 ?
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[08:48] <craag> I can't find that on the UKHAS github repos..
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[08:50] <craag> Ah, found it in the js.
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[08:50] <number10> could have been - I spell it like that quite frequently
[08:50] <costyn> it's the Dutch spelling :)
[08:51] <costyn> stress on the 2nd syllable, and there you have the Dutch way of saying it :)
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[09:01] <fsphil> balune?
[09:03] <lz1dev> âîçäóøíûé øàð?
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[09:04] <number10> I dont seem to have that font
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[09:06] <fsphil> putty actually rendered that, surprising
[09:07] <daveake> putty has the knowledge of all fonts
[09:08] <gonzo_> groan
[09:08] <daveake> it's early :)
[09:09] <daveake> Not that I'm promising or even suggesting an improvement through the day
[09:09] <gonzo_> glad to hear it. We would be worried othgerwise
[09:10] <lz1dev> number10: still living in pre-unicode era?
[09:10] <daveake> He's a character set in his ways
[09:10] <gonzo_> what's unicode?
[09:10] <daveake> see :)
[09:11] <gonzo_> ascii what you mean
[09:12] <number10> I am living in the past a bit - i am not even running a cha
[09:12] <number10> t prog
[09:13] <lz1dev> you netcat'd to the irc server?
[09:13] <gonzo_> manual serial, keep touching the wires together man!
[09:13] <lz1dev> thats way back
[09:13] <number10> I am here - whatever this is: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=highaltitude
[09:14] <gonzo_> web is witchcraft
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[09:52] <fsphil> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21866464
[09:52] <UpuWork> apparently Voyager hasn't left the solar system
[09:53] <daveake> :(
[09:53] <eroomde> it's been maybe leaving vor a while now aiui
[09:53] <fsphil> very odd sentence in that, where they differentiate between the "western" and russian space missions
[09:53] <eroomde> but no one is really sure what 'left' means
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[10:31] <Laurenceb_> hi
[10:31] <Laurenceb_> some people on here need a sense of humour transplant
[10:31] <Laurenceb_> and its not me
[10:32] <UpuWork> you need to stop trolling Laurenceb and posting silly usually offensive links
[10:32] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: I'm afraid it is you
[10:32] <costyn> (offtopic too)
[10:32] <eroomde> sorry
[10:33] <eroomde> you can't tell 12 year olds that they should get a girl friend when they ask what they should do
[10:33] <eroomde> that's not a sense of humour, it's bullying
[10:33] <eroomde> and it won't happen on here
[10:34] <eroomde> if you have a prblem with that then your time here has come to an end
[10:35] <Laurenceb_> well he's old enough too see sense and get his life in order
[10:36] <Laurenceb_> and not spend his time being a humorless admin on irc
[10:36] <eroomde> orthogonal to anything I just said
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> anyway, i have work to do
[10:37] <eroomde> fine. you can reconnect from notts from 6pm today
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> your choice of words exemplifies my point
[10:37] <Laurenceb_> i can reconnect when i want
[10:39] <Laurenceb_> pointless attempting a ban
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[11:07] <HixWork> hey UpuWork what you been up to? http://www.cruiser-connection.com/11-1-CCM-Cabin-Systems.html
[11:09] <UpuWork> lol
[11:09] <UpuWork> just let them try steal my domain name
[11:09] <HixWork> can you sort me a discount, that's the nuts
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[11:11] <daveake> "the road opener" .. you'll be cutting ribbons one day then :)
[11:19] <HixWork> ping costyn
[11:21] <costyn> HixWork: pong
[11:21] <HixWork> did I pass you the info on that 817 to ipad interface i spoke of?
[11:21] <costyn> HixWork: yea, but it's for an ND which I don't have
[11:22] <jonsowman> does it definitely only work on the ND?
[11:22] <HixWork> ah oki, couldn't remmeber, just found it in my post it list
[11:22] <HixWork> jon http://www.zindello.com.au/wordpress/shop/817ipad-interface-complete/ ask here
[11:23] <HixWork> its zindello from #hackvana
[11:23] <costyn> HixWork: hmm that page says it's for the original 817 too
[11:23] <jonsowman> ta HixWork
[11:24] <HixWork> nps
[11:24] <costyn> HixWork: it comes with an app as well? (don't see it mentioned)
[11:24] <HixWork> thought it would appeal to habbers
[11:24] <HixWork> pass
[11:24] <costyn> HixWork: might to types like daveake who integrate everything but the kitchen sink into their cars ;)
[11:25] <HixWork> heh, daveake you need upuaut vehicle, comes with sink and 130l water tank too
[11:25] <costyn> HixWork: lol
[11:25] <daveake> don't give me ideas :p
[11:26] <HixWork> I'm guessing you're not an apple kind of bloke though anyhow
[11:26] <costyn> kitchen sink would be useful, can make your own cuppa and buttie
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[11:36] <Spoz> launch next weekend, eep
[11:36] <Spoz> maybe this time I'll get a packet uploaded to habitat
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[11:49] <HixWork> costyn: "<zindello> Infact, it works on the FT-817, 857 and 897"
[11:50] <HixWork> "zindello> jonsowman: Works on both the ND and the non ND verions"
[11:50] <jonsowman> yeah I saw, thanks :)
[11:57] <HixWork> sorry jonsowman was for costyn, forgot it'd highlight you :)
[11:57] <jonsowman> ah ok, sorry
[11:57] <jonsowman> my mistake
[11:57] <HixWork> we'll call it quits :)
[11:57] <jonsowman> :)
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[13:49] <HixWork> interesting http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21880147
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[14:15] <Randomskk> have we heard from these guys? https://twitter.com/marsballoon
[14:16] #highaltitude: mode change '+o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[14:16] <fsphil> don't believe so
[14:16] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - Horizon 2 Launch 23/03/13 1000ISH from Walsall, UK
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[14:17] <fsphil> interesting pacman logo
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[14:19] <Randomskk> http://twitpic.com/cce99s hmm
[14:20] <costyn> they're launching tommorow ?
[14:20] <costyn> "dual HAB launch tomorrow by Bristol space engineers to let UK students test how everyday things will survive on Mars." ?
[14:22] <fsphil> wonder what they're launching and how they're tracking
[14:23] <costyn> fsphil: 10 euro's on GSM/GPS tracker
[14:23] <Randomskk> they do at least appear to have a notam
[14:23] <jonsowman> there are a non-zero number of phones in that picture
[14:23] <Randomskk> and nov
[14:23] <jonsowman> *is
[14:25] <Randomskk> @marsballoon not forgetting the exciting work this week implementing the balloon's tracking system. Perhaps should publish frequency etc?
[14:25] <Randomskk> @jtorbett #marsballoon Good point James; we will publish the balloons' predicted trajectory and frequency before so that others can track it
[14:25] <jonsowman> hmm
[14:26] <fsphil> fingers crossed it isn't 144.800
[14:26] <Randomskk> lot of "in space" going on
[14:26] <Randomskk> no website so far as I can discern
[14:27] <fsphil> even I have one of those
[14:27] <fsphil> and I'm terribly disorganised
[14:27] <Randomskk> https://twitter.com/jtorbett/status/309374132880019456/photo/1
[14:28] <fsphil> oh ceramic gps
[14:28] <fsphil> stripboard
[14:28] <fsphil> I like the foam
[14:28] <fsphil> but I can't see it being a great insulator
[14:28] <costyn> fsphil: nor very strong
[14:28] <fsphil> looks like the air will pass through it
[14:29] <fsphil> hoping that's not a reset button on the right :)
[14:29] <fsphil> it's a rule, unnecessary buttons will get pressed at the most inappropriate time
[14:29] <jonsowman> true
[14:31] <Randomskk> predictions look good for them at least
[14:31] Action: HixWork fires up RDC to see what this is all about as twit is banned at work
[14:31] <fsphil> if that foam gets set into a polystyrene box, that'd be quite nice
[14:36] <HixWork> from the look of that GPS I'm guessing they aren't going for >18km???
[14:37] <costyn> why is the E4000 RTL-SDR usb tuner the sdr tuner of choice when the R820T seems to perform better?
[14:37] <HixWork> i just bought both for <£20 :D
[14:38] <costyn> our experience is that the e4000 has a nasty noise spike right in the center on the tuned frequency
[14:38] <UpuWork> define better costyn ?
[14:38] <UpuWork> ah ok
[14:38] <costyn> the R820T doesn't
[14:38] <UpuWork> I can't tell the difference tbh
[14:38] <UpuWork> thats the DC bias ?
[14:38] <costyn> UpuWork: you've played with both?
[14:38] <UpuWork> yeap
[14:38] <UpuWork> and the R00013
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[14:38] <UpuWork> I think the benefit of the E4000 is the greater range
[14:39] <UpuWork> which doesn't matter for what we do
[14:39] <costyn> yea
[14:39] <costyn> ok
[14:39] <HixWork> they both allow me to get R4 at work, so a very worthwhile investment :)
[14:39] <mattbrejza> the e4000 is zero IF and the R820T is low-IF?
[14:40] <mattbrejza> so no LO leakage
[14:40] <mattbrejza> (so no DC offset)
[14:44] <UpuWork> I'll check that
[14:44] <Maxell> Peeps told me to get the E4000. But the R820T seems to much nicer.
[14:45] <UpuWork> well R820T will work and is cheap
[14:45] <UpuWork> E4000 based boards are hard to get hold of
[14:45] <UpuWork> I think
[14:45] <UpuWork> I heard the chinese were making boards based on them again
[14:46] <Maxell> Ok, it drifts a lot more based on the temprature, and it uses more power. But hey, much less nasty spikes and lower noise floor.
[14:46] <UpuWork> R820T drifts like a bugger
[14:46] <UpuWork> way more than the E4000
[14:46] <UpuWork> it has to warm up before its usable
[14:46] <UpuWork> I put one in a box ready for next launch : http://imgur.com/a/Zx7Nr
[14:46] <mfa298> early on I think the E4000 was going out of production as the SDR side took off.
[14:47] <UpuWork> nah mfa298 Elonics who made it went bust
[14:47] <UpuWork> there are alot of the chips still around but the recievers wouldn't let them go
[14:47] <UpuWork> its viable these have started to find their way to the market
[14:48] <UpuWork> s/viable/likely
[14:48] <mfa298> ah that might have been it. I know they were getting harder to get.
[14:49] <mfa298> although the demand from people going for that one due to the better range could also have helped that
[14:50] <Maxell> UpuWork: mine is in a aluminimum velleman enclosure. No habamp, yet a nice little bnc connector on top
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[14:50] <Maxell> Wont all the heat build up? dunno it has been running for a while now, the last few weeks
[14:51] <Maxell> and itls alu, so like a huge heatsink
[14:51] <Maxell> fill it with heatsink compound!
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[14:54] <eroomde> someone fly the flag for hammond boxes
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[14:54] <eroomde> they've existed since the dawn of history
[14:54] <eroomde> cave men used to put their projects in hammond boxes
[14:54] <eroomde> they're actually mined rather than manufactured
[14:54] <eroomde> you find whole seams of hammond enclosures in the ground
[14:55] <UpuWork> Oh I like Hammond enclosures
[14:55] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/HAB%20Filter/IMG_0843.JPG
[14:55] <HixWork> they them old skool diecast housings
[14:55] <costyn> UpuWork: nice
[14:57] <HixWork> ah yup
[14:59] <staylo> Some theorise that the neanderthals were wiped out because they were hoarding all the shiny translucent blue hammond enclosures
[15:01] <gonzo_> were they not thje shells of prehistoric creatues?
[15:03] <eroomde> i like the ones with flanges
[15:03] <eroomde> you can screw them onto things
[15:03] <eroomde> gonzo_: i think you're correct
[15:05] <gonzo_> I use a lot of them
[15:05] <gonzo_> very good for RFv screeniong
[15:05] <gonzo_> RF
[15:06] <gonzo_> and utterly rugged
[15:07] <eroomde> like the 4th plinth at traffalgar square, there is a space that needs to be filled
[15:07] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/gs4wOa3.png
[15:08] <UpuWork> why do your boards always look so neat :/
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[15:08] <eroomde> this one is a bit messier than usual I though. the problem with lots of littl signle function bits
[15:08] <eroomde> and the wiznet is a bit of a pain to route nicely on 2 layers
[15:09] <gonzo_> the only prob I ever have is, the slight taper on the sides. If they were pll sided that would be excellent
[15:09] <eroomde> but to asnwer your question, ensuring the schematic is arranged with the layout in mind helps a lot
[15:09] <eroomde> eg kigging the schematic so those lines from the xmega to the backpane connector on the right are quite easy to route and don't involves lots of crossing over
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[15:17] <HixWork> doe sthe schematic in eagle affect the airwire positions then?
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[15:18] <eroomde> yes, in that in the schematic you say 'i want to connect this to this' which in reality means 'pin 27 of this chip to pin 64 of this chip'
[15:19] <eroomde> so when for example you have a microcontroller with lots of general purpose io pins, you can decide how to connect it up based on the physical location of the pins it has to connect to on a connector or on another chip or whatever
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[15:19] <HixWork> ahh getcha
[15:20] <cuddykid> where's the next gen web tracker located? I've used the grey balloon icon in the iPhone app and now need a slightly bigger version for iPad app but forgot the link
[15:22] <Randomskk> www.habhub.org/mt
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[15:24] <cuddykid> Randomskk: not the one I was thinking of - the one with the pinky/grey balloons iirc
[15:25] <craag> cuddykid: This one? https://github.com/ukhas/habitat-tracker
[15:25] <cuddykid> found it
[15:25] <cuddykid> http://spacenear.us/test/
[15:25] <cuddykid> craag: ^
[15:25] <cuddykid> http://spacenear.us/test/images/markers/balloon-gray.png <- that's what I'm using
[15:26] <craag> Ah cool. Very snazzy.
[15:27] <UpuWork> cuddykid
[15:27] <UpuWork> give me a moment I have the original PSD artwork
[15:27] <cuddykid> UpuWork: cheers :D
[15:27] <cuddykid> who designed it originally?
[15:27] <UpuWork> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/Spacenear.us/balloon.psd
[15:27] <UpuWork> err
[15:27] <UpuWork> natrium42 ?
[15:27] <cuddykid> thanks
[15:28] <UpuWork> I have the parachute ones and cars etc
[15:28] <UpuWork> but they are smaller
[15:28] <HixWork> just been looking at Daveake's Pi giude
[15:28] <HixWork> "If you have a beard and sandals"
[15:29] <HixWork> so hipsters are accomplished unix gurus too then?
[15:29] <HixWork> o rhave they moved to an OS that isn't heard of as yet
[15:31] <costyn> HixWork: haha
[15:31] <cuddykid> that's better, bigger balloon for iPad screen :)
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[15:33] <HixWork> cuddykid, can ios handle vector images for apps?
[15:33] <HixWork> saves double efforts
[15:33] <cuddykid> believe so
[15:34] <cuddykid> however I just have an if_ipad() & display balloon_ipad.png.. else, display balloon.png
[15:34] <HixWork> k
[15:34] <cuddykid> https://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/314761541985644544/photo/1
[15:35] <lz1dev> cuddykid: i have hi-res icons for the tracker if you want
[15:35] <mattbrejza> or make your own :)
[15:35] <cuddykid> lz1dev: should be ok for now thanks :)
[15:36] <cuddykid> yes, or that mattbrejza :P
[15:36] <mattbrejza> eg https://github.com/mattbrejza/rtty_modem/blob/master/path3015.png
[15:37] <mattbrejza> although the transparency means the balloon is hard to spot on the map
[15:37] <mattbrejza> and i cba to correct
[15:37] <mattbrejza> /improve
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[16:21] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:41] <HixWork> hey Lunar_Lander
[16:41] <HixWork> & chrisstubbs
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> Afternoon guys
[16:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[16:44] <chrisstubbs> Hows life?
[16:45] <HixWork> I am no longer deemed a biohazard, but as such am back at work
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> aha
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> good to hear :)
[16:47] <HixWork> first bit is, second not so much
[16:48] <chrisstubbs> any idea what the differnce between blue and green on u-centers satelite signal chart is?
[16:49] <HixWork> friend or foe ;p
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[16:50] <UpuWork> green means strong enough to get positional information from
[16:50] <UpuWork> blue means not so
[16:50] <chrisstubbs> ok cool :)
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[16:52] <chrisstubbs> Hows it going UpuWork?
[16:54] <UpuWork> not bad just making a payload container
[16:55] <HixWork> http://imgur.com/HJyqa4T chrisstubbs
[16:56] <chrisstubbs> thanks HixWork :)
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[16:57] <chrisstubbs> need to start reading manuals..
[16:57] <chrisstubbs> well i have. whenever im sitting there doing nothing at work i often pull up an atmel datasheet to look busy ;)
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> Is that another pico one or a big one UpuWork?
[16:59] <UpuWork> pico floater
[16:59] <UpuWork> afk driving home
[16:59] <chrisstubbs> Cool :)
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[17:09] <chrisstubbs> HixWork any board updates?
[17:11] <HixWork> awaiting solderpaste not trying any more ublox until then
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.uni-osnabrueck.de/ have a look at the top post :)
[17:11] <Lunar_Lander> (german only, sorry)
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[17:13] <fsphil> the most famous straw in the world :) I want its signature
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> so im guessing the uBlox was difficult to hand solder?
[17:14] <chrisstubbs> like, extremley difficult
[17:14] <fsphil> you can't use hot air on it
[17:14] <HixWork> no?
[17:14] <HixWork> its a bitch chrisstubbs
[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, xD
[17:14] <HixWork> Lunar_Lander, is there a river Osna?
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> no
[17:15] <fsphil> can't be too bad to solder (I've not tried it yet)
[17:15] <chrisstubbs> hm i have that to look forward to when my neo6 comes.... if it ever comes...
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> the river in our city is called Hase
[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:17] <HixWork> isn't Osnabrueck bridge over the osna?
[17:17] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, why can you not hot air it?
[17:17] <chrisstubbs> becuase of the metal case?
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[17:17] <HixWork> Upu said only way to remove was hot air
[17:18] <HixWork> DVLA>= bastards!!
[17:19] <HixWork> scuse my gaelic
[17:19] <HixWork> anymore CFIG's cuddykid ?
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> HixWork, the name comes from the river crossing, yes
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> but it was about oxes which crossed the river
[17:22] <Lunar_Lander> and from the old word for ox and the old word for bridge, the name was formed
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[17:23] <HixWork> so you are on oxbridge? that beats cambridge and oxford then :)
[17:23] <HixWork> *in
[17:24] <cuddykid> HixWork: CFIG?
[17:24] <cuddykid> just had first successful (mini) hexacopter flight!
[17:24] <HixWork> controlled flight into ground ;p
[17:24] <cuddykid> oh lol
[17:24] <cuddykid> well& earlier I almost had my head chopped off by it
[17:24] <Lunar_Lander> HixWork, xD
[17:25] <cuddykid> was testing in my room then forgot that if I turn the controller off without disarming it basically reverts to medium throttle& next thing I know the hex is ascending in my tiny room!
[17:25] <cuddykid> fortunately crashes into the wardrobe and breaks a prop
[17:25] <cuddykid> could have been a lot worse
[17:26] <cuddykid> but - just tested outside and even with a little wind it flew very well :D
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> James May never answers Twitter, does he?
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[17:29] <cuddykid> well, he probably answers 1 in 1000 questions
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> @MrJamesMay Your show was one of the factors to send my own stratosphere balloon to 74042 ft in Germany on March 5
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[17:32] <HixWork> ahh, you mentioned Germany Lunar_Lander ;p
[17:33] <Lunar_Lander> is Germany a keyword for "move to trash bin"?
[17:33] <HixWork> Clarkson probably monitors his replies
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD I am scared now
[17:35] <Lunar_Lander> what if he replies
[17:36] <HixWork> he will be berated on TopGear for fuelling Germany's next air invasion :)
[17:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[17:36] <HixWork> though kudos for using Ft, you'd have flummoxed him with metres
[17:38] <Lunar_Lander> :P
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[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> who is Erik Noblett?
[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[17:40] <Lunar_Lander> probably spam
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[17:40] <HixWork> heh
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[17:40] <Adam012> Good afternoon all.
[17:41] <HixWork> hey Adam, launchj tomorrow?
[17:41] <HixWork> no news on payload mk1?
[17:41] <Adam012> Is anyone available to help with tracking on Saturday?
[17:42] <Adam012> No, I think Horizon 1 saw its end in a Reading bin.
[17:42] <HixWork> i'll be listening, whats prediction though?
[17:42] <HixWork> blighters
[17:43] <Adam012> We're hoping that the weather will have calmed a bit by midday Saturday. Predicted landing is just North of Roland water.
[17:43] <Adam012> Roland=Rutland
[17:43] <HixWork> que, ahh
[17:43] <HixWork> Roland water is infested with rats
[17:44] <chrisstubbs> Will tune in if i am in range :)
[17:44] <Adam012> It'll be <2hrs drive so we May even get to see it land.
[17:44] <HixWork> timt to go time
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[17:45] <Adam012> We're fairly confident in our antenna design after the last launch so the signal should reach most corners of England at 10km.
[17:45] <Adam012> Bye Hix!
[17:45] <chrisstubbs> Where are you launching from?
[17:45] <chrisstubbs> Im not far form Hix btw, Chelmsford Essex
[17:46] <Adam012> There will be a live stream of the launch on our website on Saturday: horizon.qmgs.walsall.such.uk We're based in Walsall.
[17:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah definately was a spammer
[17:48] <chrisstubbs> Adam is that link live now?
[17:48] <Adam012> Saturday is the last day of our launch window and with a change in insurance provider coming up this may be our last chance to fly. It's going to be down to the weather on the day as to whether we can launch.
[17:49] <Adam012> The website is up but the live stream will be embedded on the day.
[17:49] <chrisstubbs> i got "server not foung"
[17:49] <chrisstubbs> found
[17:49] <chrisstubbs> sch.uk gotcha
[17:49] <Adam012> @Lunar_Lander: spammer?
[17:50] <Lunar_Lander> at twitter
[17:50] <Adam012> Oops, sorry I got caught by predictive text: sch.uk
[17:51] <Adam012> We've been deleting/reporting a lot of twitter spam recently.
[17:51] <Adam012> It seems to have surged over the last couple of months.
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:52] <chrisstubbs> My e-mail spam has gone through the roof this week
[17:52] <Lunar_Lander> oh
[17:52] <chrisstubbs> doesnt even go into junk mail anymore
[17:54] <Adam012> Do you run an intelligent management system? If it gets really bad you could resort to a white list. It's not a long term solution but it might help while you sort out a management system.
[17:56] <chrisstubbs> i started blacklisting the common ones a while ago
[17:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[18:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi mclane
[18:05] <mclane> hi ll
[18:06] <mclane> whats up?
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[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah just had to kick a spammer from twitter
[18:10] <Lunar_Lander> and you?
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[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> wow
[18:16] <Lunar_Lander> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/350
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[18:36] <fsphil> chrisstubbs: well I guess if you're careful with the hot air. if it gets too hot the internal components will desolder
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[18:42] <cuddykid> hey WillDuckworth
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[18:45] <griffonbot> @stratodean: Our Payload Part 2 post and video is now up, in case you missed it earlier! http://t.co/SyHQjfBMkT #forestofdean #ukhas [http://twitter.com/stratodean/status/314810004291067904]
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[19:51] <chrisstubbs> Hey again Upu
[19:51] <barnacle_> Evenin' Upu
[19:53] <x-f> hi, Upu
[19:54] <cuddykid> I'll add to the greetings, hi Upu
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[19:57] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "Re: [UKHAS] Gas Cylinder Safety considerations"
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[20:03] <arko> http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/f1_sls.html
[20:03] <arko> Neat
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, still on?
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[20:06] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Gas Cylinder Safety considerations"
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[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu and SP9UOB_Tom
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi Lunar_Lander
[20:34] <Lunar_Lander> how's life?
[20:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: not bad. The winter wont go away...:(
[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[20:36] <Willdude123> Hi.
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[20:38] <Willdude123> UpuWork: You must work really long hours...
[20:38] <Willdude123> :-)
[20:39] <UpuWork> I'm at home :)
[20:39] <UpuWork> oh
[20:39] <UpuWork> interesting
[20:39] Nick change: UpuWork -> Upu_
[20:39] <Upu_> My connection at work has stolen my nik
[20:39] <Upu_> nick
[20:39] <lz1dev> muhahah
[20:40] Nick change: Upu -> UpuWork
[20:40] <UpuWork> evil work client
[20:40] Nick change: Upu_ -> Upu
[20:41] <Willdude123> I am in a strangely OK mood.
[20:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> all: what is smallest size of hydrogen cylinder available in UK ?
[20:41] <Willdude123> Considering I've had a rubbish day. #
[20:41] <chrisstubbs> disposable 30
[20:41] <Willdude123> Odd.
[20:41] <daveake> 1.8 m^3
[20:41] <chrisstubbs> or xsmall at 1.8mcubed
[20:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> hydrogen ?
[20:41] <Willdude123> Still looking at robot projects.
[20:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> or helium ?
[20:41] <Upu> strangely ok ?
[20:41] <Upu> why rubbish Will ?
[20:41] <daveake> chrisstubbs you mean He surely?
[20:42] <chrisstubbs> oh sorry i read helium :P
[20:42] <Upu> Hydrogen is in 2 cylinders
[20:42] <chrisstubbs> disposible hydrogen :P
[20:42] <Upu> one is quite small the other is frikkin huge and heavy
[20:42] <daveake> 7.2m^3, 70kg
[20:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: here in Poland is only 50 liter cylinder - about 75 kg :-(
[20:43] <Upu> B * K
[20:43] <Upu> B and K
[20:43] <Upu> B is 16kg , K is 65kg and the one we generally use
[20:43] <Upu> from BOC anyway
[20:43] <daveake> B = not Big, K = f**K**g huge
[20:43] <Upu> yep
[20:44] <daveake> Air Products do a siomilar size to the K
[20:44] <Upu> I asked for some Party Hydrogen but they just looked at me funny
[20:44] <daveake> lol
[20:44] Action: SP9UOB_Tom is looking for something like 30 kg helium
[20:44] <Willdude123> Upu: I got an after school detention for coughing, made a rude gesture directed, (but not seen) at the teacher and I'm kinda in a lot of trouble for it.
[20:44] <daveake> You will need a big wallet
[20:44] <Upu> oh to be young again :)
[20:45] <Willdude123> Upu: My days aren't normally OK, that's what I meant.
[20:45] <Willdude123> I am feeling strangely OK despite the rubbish day.
[20:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> daveake: only cylinder size - 20 litres: http://airproducts.com.pl/balloon_gas/Hel_balonowy/images/ballon.gif
[20:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> daveake: but with hydrogen
[20:46] <Upu> good well no chance of detention here, eroomde isn't about
[20:46] <Willdude123> Upu: I suppose at least that got the message to him, but it probably wasn't the best way to handle it.
[20:46] <Upu> well it was his first infraction
[20:47] <Upu> name
[20:47] <Upu> window focus...
[20:47] <Willdude123> What?
[20:47] <Upu> for bonus points guess which program I'm using
[20:48] <Lunar_Lander> trouble in school for coughing in class?
[20:48] <Willdude123> Yep.
[20:48] <Upu> were you cough because you need too or because you were being cheeky ?
[20:49] <Upu> coughing
[20:49] <Willdude123> Needed to.
[20:50] <Willdude123> He had previously told me to stop, but it became unbearable.
[20:50] <Upu> oh well
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[20:51] <Upu> what you learnt today is life isn't fair and some people are arseholes
[20:51] <Upu> important life lesson
[20:51] <Upu> one which I suspect will be repeated many times
[20:51] <Willdude123> Yep.
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[20:53] <Willdude123> I tried to remain emotionally stable and keep replying with "I'd be happy to do so sir" to all requests, and then I just lost it and stabbed my wrist, which he noticed. He got what he wanted, he upset me.
[20:55] <Upu> stabbed your wrists with what ?
[20:55] <Willdude123> A pen.
[20:55] <Upu> I wouldn't do that if I was you
[20:55] <Upu> might hurt
[20:56] <Willdude123> Nah. Really?
[20:56] <Upu> Illegitimi non carborundum
[20:56] <Upu> or don't let them wind you up either
[20:56] <daveake> Much better to stab your crotch with an electric drill, isn't that right Upu?
[20:56] <Upu> yeah
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> jesus
[20:57] <daveake> It was an accident :p
[20:57] <Upu> interesting story that the resulting advice is don't use cheap drill bits from Tescos 2 inches from your testicles
[20:57] <chrisstubbs> what were you drilling?
[20:57] <Upu> but seriously Will try not to get upset like that, speak to someone if you can
[20:57] <Upu> long story
[20:58] <daveake> Yeah excuse my OT-ic-ness
[20:58] <Willdude123> Did it function after the accident?
[20:58] <Upu> tl;dr version : I have 2 Snap on screw drivers that about 10 years old, one is a stubby one is normal . The small magnet in the long one fell out and managed to find its way into the stubbly and stick to the magnet in there
[20:58] <Upu> Snap on kindly repaired the big one
[20:59] <Upu> but I now have a stubby where the bits won't go in as there are 2 magnets in there
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[20:59] <Upu> Fortunately the drill snapped and the remaining bit got tangled up in my jeans
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[21:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: im looking for ava2.lbr at http://ava.upuaut.net but no luck :-(
[21:09] <fsphil> I joined this conversation at the wrong moment
[21:09] <daveake> There wasn't a right moment
[21:10] <fsphil> ah, feel better than
[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> ava or ava2 ?
[21:10] <fsphil> +e
[21:10] <Upu> https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries
[21:10] <Upu> that one
[21:10] <Upu> back in a few need a brew
[21:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: thank You
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[21:26] <cuddykid> first hex flight earlier! http://youtu.be/Z5pZ94cbC8g
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[21:26] <cuddykid> sorry about the horrific portrait video
[21:27] <fsphil> won't you please think of the puppets!
[21:27] <cuddykid> well.. it's not really a 'flight', more an up and down
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[21:27] <fsphil> as long as it went up under its own power, that counts :)
[21:27] <cuddykid> just about :P
[21:28] <fsphil> youtube isn't working for me atm
[21:29] <cuddykid> it's nothing exciting
[21:29] <cuddykid> about 2 secs in the air haha
[21:30] <fsphil> got it. that's a cool looking thing
[21:30] <fsphil> and definitly flight :)
[21:30] <cuddykid> yeah, cool but scary when it's close by!
[21:30] <cuddykid> a flying lawn mower
[21:30] <cuddykid> I hardly gave it any throttle and it shot up initially
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[21:31] <fsphil> yea that first leap was quick
[21:31] <fsphil> I was waiting for a gentle rise
[21:31] <cuddykid> need to master it so I can perform tree recoveries if needed
[21:32] <cuddykid> get some sort of winch/grapple system going
[21:32] <fsphil> use the props to cut the cord
[21:32] <fsphil> what could possibly go wrong
[21:32] <cuddykid> ha
[21:32] <fsphil> you may need a second copter to recover the first
[21:33] <cuddykid> indeed
[21:33] <cuddykid> I had a 2nd brief flight after the 1st one, the accelerometers & gyros do a super job of keeping it stable even in windy conditions
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[21:34] <fsphil> is this a kit?
[21:34] <fsphil> or a custom build?
[21:36] <cuddykid> using ardupilotmega as the 'autopilot'
[21:36] <cuddykid> and then 3D robotics hex frame
[21:36] <cuddykid> it still took ~10hrs of build time
[21:36] <cuddykid> + calibration etc
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[21:38] <griffonbot> @daveake: Blog post on my lightweight #raspberry_pi model A tracker with pre-production Pi camera #UKHAS http://t.co/LPE38gLjt6 [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/314853528428490752]
[21:42] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: @daveake puts the @Raspberry_Pi model A on a diet and plays with the new pre production camera http://t.co/GWpwMOx4Nb #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/314854651033972737]
[21:43] <Upu> if this isn't the best payload ever I'm a Yorkshireman : http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/pie5-778x1024.jpg
[21:44] <Randomskk> oh that's fantastic
[21:45] <Upu> daveake have you got the inside shot ?
[21:45] <daveake> erm not sure just a mo
[21:46] <griffonbot> @teknoteacher: RT @daveake: Blog post on my lightweight #raspberry_pi model A tracker with pre-production Pi camera #UKHAS http://t.co/LPE38gLjt6 [http://twitter.com/teknoteacher/status/314855445175091200]
[21:46] <Upu> let the spam begin!
[21:46] <daveake> lol can griffonbot be asked to ignore retweets?
[21:46] <Randomskk> daveake: it will ignore actual retweets
[21:47] <Randomskk> but not the people doing the stupid manual RT thing
[21:47] <daveake> ah
[21:47] <Randomskk> could ignore tweets with "RT" in them, but that'd probably go wrong
[21:47] <Randomskk> "ARTEMIS launched!"
[21:47] <daveake> lol
[21:47] <Upu> lol
[21:47] <daveake> SPACE ART
[21:47] <daveake> hmmm....
[21:47] Action: Randomskk gets right on it
[21:47] <daveake> lol
[21:47] <fsphil> you need to put a big "WARNING: DO NOT EAT" on it
[21:48] <daveake> True. It might land in Norfolk
[21:48] <fsphil> "NOT A REAL RASPBERRY"
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[21:49] <number10> credits please daveake..." meaning a good chance of beating the live picture altitude record and perhaps the highest pictures record too."
[21:49] <fsphil> lol
[21:49] <daveake> hah can do :)
[21:49] <fsphil> then it'll just be the pictures record
[21:49] <daveake> Got a web site?
[21:50] <mfa298> is this going to be a battle of who get's re-tweeted more ?
[21:50] <Upu> it will be Dave
[21:50] <number10> lol
[21:50] <daveake> yes but which one? :P
[21:51] <Upu> you linked that inside pic the other day I think Dave
[21:51] <daveake> yeah just putting it up now
[21:51] <Upu> did you cut that by hand ?
[21:51] <daveake> Printed the raspberries
[21:51] <daveake> Then cut with scissors
[21:51] <number10> daveake: having the BBC claim my record. I may be compelled to do a website... maybe
[21:51] <daveake> then glued to foam
[21:52] <daveake> then cut the foam with hot wire
[21:52] <Upu> ah ok
[21:52] <griffonbot> @cymplecy: RT @daveake: Blog post on my lightweight #raspberry_pi model A tracker with pre-production Pi camera #UKHAS http://t.co/LPE38gLjt6 [http://twitter.com/cymplecy/status/314857076885164032]
[21:52] <daveake> I'm going to be unpopular here soon :p
[21:53] Action: daveake awaits cries of "what do you mean soon?"
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[21:54] <griffonbot> @fsphil: @daveake Doing *another* Pi flight. Sheesh. http://t.co/6xYObnMNTS #ukhas [http://twitter.com/fsphil/status/314857523096190976]
[21:54] <Upu> lol
[21:54] <chrisstubbs> haha
[21:54] <daveake> lol
[21:57] <daveake> ok added http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/P1070588-1024x768.jpg :)
[21:57] <Upu> thats ace
[21:58] <daveake> Because it's pink on the inside? :)
[21:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> WOW
[21:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> :-)
[21:58] <Upu> that is a bonus :)
[21:58] <daveake> lol
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[21:59] <chrisstubbs> the tardis now this, i wonder what daveake has up his sleeve next
[21:59] <daveake> Ted Bull
[22:00] <daveake> Like Felix but less temperamental
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[22:00] <daveake> and less Austrian
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[22:10] <chrisstubbs> im off
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> todays programming progress: 0 lol
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> night all
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> good night chrisstubbs
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[22:18] <Randomskk> a few minutes early, how generous of you :P
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[22:18] <Randomskk> don't forget the other two blines
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[22:19] <lz1dev> daveake: is that for your next flight?
[22:20] <daveake> yes
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[22:20] <lz1dev> i feel the urge to bite it
[22:21] <daveake> It may ripple
[22:21] <Randomskk> still got two blines up eroomde
[22:21] <jonsowman> oh god what's going on
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[22:22] <jonsowman> oh we're just unbanning, ok
[22:22] <Randomskk> evening jon
[22:22] <jonsowman> hello :)
[22:22] <jonsowman> how's it going?
[22:22] <Randomskk> oh god
[22:22] <jonsowman> coursework?
[22:23] <Randomskk> ayup
[22:23] <Randomskk> t-17.5hrs
[22:24] <jonsowman> is it er, going ok?
[22:24] <Randomskk> well I haven't exactly started writing
[22:24] <Randomskk> so
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[22:24] <Randomskk> no
[22:24] <jonsowman> ah
[22:24] <jonsowman> still, 17.5 hours is a long time
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[22:25] <eroomde> laptop battery about to go
[22:25] <lz1dev> daveake: whats the flight date?
[22:25] <daveake> no idea :)
[22:25] <eroomde> let's hope it's a peaceful night
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[22:26] <jonsowman> i'll be around eroomde
[22:26] <daveake> Some of the RPi people will be coming, so I need to find a date that suits them as well as having a good prediction
[22:26] <Willdude123> Ed: Did you ban anyone with names begging with lay?
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[22:31] <gonzo_> all this talk of cylinder safety, good job they don't see the things I do!
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[22:44] <griffonbot> @PyPool: RT @daveake: Blog post on my lightweight #raspberry_pi model A tracker with pre-production Pi camera #UKHAS http://t.co/LPE38gLjt6 [http://twitter.com/PyPool/status/314870105928499201]
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[22:47] <griffonbot> @whaleygeek: RT @daveake: Blog post on my lightweight #raspberry_pi model A tracker with pre-production Pi camera #UKHAS http://t.co/LPE38gLjt6 [http://twitter.com/whaleygeek/status/314870989689339904]
[22:49] <m0psi> hi all, for our WASP payload, on spacenear.us there is a great big red line because i mistakenly swapped long and lat, and ended up near somalia! is there a chance anyone can reset the view. it's a bit annoying :-)
[22:50] <Upu> I'll sort it
[22:50] <m0psi> thanks upu
[22:51] <Upu> done
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[22:51] <m0psi> so, it will appear again next time i test the tracker?
[22:52] <m0psi> (not the line, the balloon)
[22:55] <Upu> yep
[22:56] <m0psi> http://8bc.gotdns.com:8080/hourly/#
[22:56] <m0psi> so far, our tue launch is looking good
[22:56] <m0psi> BUT, there could be high winds :-(
[22:56] <m0psi> no point of looking yet, as the forcast is still 4 days ahead
[22:57] <m0psi> equally, i don't want to land on LGW approach!
[22:57] <m0psi> which is what a 12pm launch would give us!
[22:58] <Upu> give us a shout before you launch Ali so we can double check your predictions etc
[22:58] <m0psi> i was just thinking exactly that
[22:58] <m0psi> also, happy to adjust the ascent rate to give a better landing spot
[22:58] <m0psi> so, will do that in the last hours
[22:59] <Upu> yep but if there is any chance of it going near Gatwick I'd probably abort it
[22:59] <Upu> whats your balloon ?
[22:59] <m0psi> for sure
[22:59] <m0psi> 1000 H
[22:59] <Upu> should be ok
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