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[01:55] <arko> woot mr77 aquired
[01:56] <arko> acquired
[02:00] <KT5TK_QRL> Sorry my ignorance. What is mr77?
[02:07] <KT5TK_QRL> You mean the 2m/70cm Antanna with Magnetic Base?
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[02:28] <arko> yes
[02:28] <arko> i should be more specific :P
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[03:20] <nigelvh> You still 'round KT5TK_QRL?
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[04:46] <nigelvh> Evening KT5TK
[04:46] <KT5TK> Hi Nigel
[04:46] <nigelvh> Welcome back
[04:46] <KT5TK> I'm back in Houston
[04:47] <nigelvh> How was the trip?
[04:47] <KT5TK> Tnx for your progress
[04:47] <KT5TK> Nice, but cold
[04:47] <KT5TK> We had 4 inch of snow when I left Berlin
[04:48] <nigelvh> I've heard that from the other #highaltitude inhabitants.
[04:48] <nigelvh> Frankly, I'm missing the snow. We had a pretty weak winter this year.
[04:50] <KT5TK> I made a nice flight around Berlin with a Piper: http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FDL4MDW-1&timerange=604800&tail=10800
[04:50] <arko> wow!
[04:50] <arko> nice
[04:50] <nigelvh> Fancu
[04:50] <nigelvh> Fancy*
[04:50] <arko> should have written your name :P
[04:50] <KT5TK> A young ham took me with him
[04:50] <arko> must have been beautiful
[04:51] <KT5TK> I'll post some pics later
[04:51] <nigelvh> Those would be well recieved.
[04:52] <KT5TK> Just have to push them over from my camera and sort them
[04:52] <nigelvh> Which is a trek in itself
[04:52] <KT5TK> We also tried 20m ssb from the plane
[04:52] <nigelvh> Yeah?
[04:53] <KT5TK> but my FT817 with 5W was not successful
[04:53] <nigelvh> Yeah, sometimes QRP makes you try a bit harder.
[04:53] <KT5TK> Also I had just an inside antenna
[04:53] <nigelvh> That probably had a big impact.
[04:56] <KT5TK> Yes, the plane was made of aluminum. The other plane with glass fiber enforced plastic was under maintenance
[04:56] <nigelvh> The second one sounds much better for RF.
[04:58] <nigelvh> Speaking of HF, In a couple weeks I'm gonna be down in the desert in nevada, I'm hoping to set up some WSPR on 15m.
[04:58] <nigelvh> I'll let you know when we head down so you can listen.
[04:59] <KT5TK> Yes, sounds good.
[04:59] <KT5TK> I can simply switch over my WSPR rx on 15
[04:59] <KT5TK> Are you launching something?
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[05:00] <nigelvh> Rockets.
[05:00] <nigelvh> The desert's a good place to do so.
[05:00] <KT5TK> Do they have enough time for one WSPR cycle?
[05:01] <nigelvh> No, they're pretty quick, nor a lot of space for an HF antenna.
[05:02] <KT5TK> :) That's what I thought. Sounds like fun anyways
[05:02] <nigelvh> Yeah, we generally use 600 baud RTTY to get data back from the rockets.
[05:02] <nigelvh> But I plan on trying to run some WSPR while down there, as well as some APRS for the drive down, and maybe weather reports while there.
[05:03] <KT5TK> Did you ever try Wifi?
[05:03] <KT5TK> on a rocket
[05:03] <nigelvh> Not wifi in particular, but we have used 2.4GHz security cameras.
[05:03] <KT5TK> Not as a tracker but maybe for video
[05:04] <KT5TK> The distance should be close enough
[05:04] <nigelvh> Yeah, it works alright for the video.
[05:05] <nigelvh> Just a moment.
[05:05] <nigelvh> Back
[05:05] <KT5TK> On 5.7 GHz you may even send high resolution videos
[05:06] <KT5TK> and antennas are small
[05:06] <nigelvh> That's an excellent point. Mostly for videos what we've done is just stick those little keychain cameras on them.
[05:09] <KT5TK> I think there are quite a few wifi cams for 2.4 GHz available today. Boost the signal with a little amp and go
[05:10] <nigelvh> Yeah. That may be something we'd have to look into. Grab something like one of the Ubiquiti bullets as a base station to give good power for a reliable link.
[05:12] <KT5TK> Or simply an old android phone
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[05:12] <nigelvh> As the base?
[05:12] <KT5TK> as cam and wifi
[05:12] <nigelvh> Ah yes
[05:13] <KT5TK> there is some cam webserver app
[05:14] <KT5TK> don't need to be a phone with a contract if you use wifi
[05:14] <nigelvh> Yeah, plus no cell service out there
[05:18] <nigelvh> Ill be using my ic706 for the wspr and aprs, but im hoping to generate them with an arduino
[05:19] <nigelvh> APRS as you know is working, but wspr is in progress
[05:21] <KT5TK> WSPR tx with Arduino and a DDS worked fine for me for a couple of weeks
[05:22] <KT5TK> I believe I've burnt a RF6886 by abusing a PecanTurbo for shortwave
[05:23] <nigelvh> With the 706 all i need to do is generate the tones with the arduino
[05:23] <KT5TK> I have to analyze the details, but the chip got quite hot and it is silent now
[05:23] <KT5TK> That should work too
[05:24] <KT5TK> but the DDS is cheap and it doesn't block a real radio
[05:24] <nigelvh> So you were trying to use the 6886 on hf?
[05:24] <KT5TK> yest 7...30 MHz
[05:25] <nigelvh> That below spec?
[05:25] <KT5TK> seemed to work
[05:26] <KT5TK> maybe I should have used a cooler
[05:26] <nigelvh> Why do you think it burnt?
[05:26] <KT5TK> for the rf amp chip
[05:26] <KT5TK> I'll have to investigate
[05:27] <KT5TK> maybe because the rf choke in the supply line was too small
[05:27] <KT5TK> in uH
[05:28] <KT5TK> so that too much rf current was flowing
[05:28] <nigelvh> Seems possible
[05:28] <KT5TK> or it was too much capacitive
[05:29] <arko> nigelvh: 2-1
[05:29] <KT5TK> so that it was also swinging at vhf frequencies
[05:29] <arko> checked just now
[05:29] <nigelvh> Good plan arko
[05:32] <KT5TK> BTW I've set up a WebSDR in Berlin also. http://dl4mdw.no-ip.org:8901/
[05:33] <nigelvh> That sounds handy for balloons if it goes up to uhf
[05:33] <KT5TK> It's frequency agile and I can change it to any frequency between 1.8 ... 50 MHz remotely
[05:34] <nigelvh> Not quite UHF, but pretty good.
[05:35] <KT5TK> I have also a RTL dongle in that computer but I haven't figured out how to make it usable with websdr
[05:35] <nigelvh> That would be a good reciever for that.
[05:35] <KT5TK> I could stream the IQ with rtl_tcp
[05:35] <nigelvh> You said you used that sparkfun DDS for the WSPR transmission?
[05:36] <KT5TK> but I'm not sure if that's fast enough for transatlantic
[05:36] <nigelvh> Depends on the bandwidth you have available at that computer.
[05:37] <KT5TK> DSL
[05:37] <KT5TK> I believe 2mbit
[05:37] <nigelvh> Probably not much upstream then.
[05:38] <KT5TK> websdr doesn't accept tcp afaik
[05:39] <nigelvh> I haven't played with the WebSDR software at all. Though I've been looking at options to get my HF rig here at home online.
[05:39] <KT5TK> maybe I can stream some audio file format with rtl_fm
[05:39] <KT5TK> you need a SDR
[05:40] <nigelvh> Yeah, I've been thinking about getting a softrock kit sometime.
[05:40] <KT5TK> Yes, such kits are just a few $$s. Not worth designing your own
[05:41] <nigelvh> Yeah, definitely
[05:41] <KT5TK> I used a DDS-60 like http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/
[05:42] <KT5TK> Not the sparkfun DDS
[05:42] <nigelvh> Oh, I thought you had said you used this one: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9169
[05:42] <KT5TK> I used that one for PSK
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[05:43] <KT5TK> It might also work for WSPR, but only up to 15m or so
[05:43] <nigelvh> I suppose I don't see why it wouldn't work for WSPR
[05:44] <KT5TK> There are plenty of cheap AD9850 modules on ebay
[05:45] <nigelvh> Problem is that we're less than two weeks away, so I don't have time for shipping from china
[05:48] <KT5TK> http://www.ebay.com/itm/40MHz-DDS-Function-Generator-Module-AD9850-based-miniDDS-Digital-Waveform-USA-/160744182494?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256d1992de
[05:48] <KT5TK> in NY
[05:48] <KT5TK> just restrict your search to the US
[05:48] <nigelvh> Ah yes.
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[05:56] <nigelvh> What did you use for an amp on your PSK setup?
[05:57] <KT5TK> I made a push pull amp from bipolar transistors
[05:58] <nigelvh> I may have to do something like that if I go this route.
[06:01] <KT5TK> This is the circuit I used: http://www.sm0vpo.com/tx/qrp-hf1.htm
[06:01] <KT5TK> You may also use some FET amp
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[06:07] <nigelvh> Hmm. I don't have anything in the way of toroids, but the rest looks like stuff I've got around.
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[06:08] <nigelvh> Maybe if I'm lucky radio shack will have some small toroids...
[06:08] <KT5TK> Every old computer board has some usable toroids for this
[06:08] <KT5TK> They're not critical.
[06:09] <nigelvh> I'll have to see what I can dig up.
[06:09] <KT5TK> Mine worked right away with some toroids from the junk box
[06:10] <nigelvh> Hmm. HF is so much easier than VHF.
[06:10] <KT5TK> The interesting about this circuit is the biasing with a simple Si diode
[06:12] <nigelvh> I also wonder if you can get more power by putting more of the transistors in parallel than the two he's got on each side.
[06:13] <KT5TK> remember you need the right drive power for that. But you could try
[06:13] <nigelvh> Yes.
[06:13] <nigelvh> Things to play with
[06:13] <KT5TK> and also the reactance should match
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[07:19] <eroomde> hypothosis: 1 years worth or nectar points (£70/wk petrol, weekly food shop) has accrued a quantity of points whose monetrary value is less than then extra food cost of the energy spent carrything the mass of the nectar card, + the time lost to 'do you have a nectar card?' interactions, accounted at the minimum wage
[07:20] <eroomde> worth of*
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[07:45] <Elwell> eroomde: but the extra data gathered on you (spending history, products etc) has contributed to hardware (disk, cpu), software (algorithms) and wetware (analysts and sales droids) economy
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[07:46] <eroomde> true dat
[07:47] <eroomde> i should stop being so selfish
[07:49] <kokey> I spend in SA on my UK card a lot
[07:50] <eroomde> is that not chargy?
[07:50] <eroomde> i guess not
[07:50] <kokey> I don't pay fees, but the exchange rate could be better
[07:50] <eroomde> yes, only getting worse too
[07:51] <kokey> I have the option of say getting a credit card that earns me air miles
[07:51] <kokey> or getting a card that gives me a better exchange rate
[07:51] <kokey> but I think the savings I'll make with a better exchange rate would allow me to earn more flights I just pay with the savings
[07:51] <kokey> chargy?
[07:52] <eroomde> fees
[07:52] <kokey> ok define:chargy on google gives me the urban dictionary result for skippy peanut butter
[07:53] <eroomde> comes with charges
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[11:03] <cuddykid> ping Upu
[11:03] <UpuWork> hola Adam
[11:03] <cuddykid> hiya, pm
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[11:33] <griffonbot> @stratodean: Just waiting for these badboys to come back into stock... #coiledspring #ukhas http://t.co/SkNj8ZKduu [http://twitter.com/stratodean/status/311802072846704641]
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[11:39] <UpuWork> Should be in stock today i think
[12:00] <kokey> reminds me, need to find totex in south africa
[12:00] <kokey> but it looks like a like weather bureau guy is selling it, or at least his number is listed under some engineering supplies
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[12:21] <kokey> I registered screamgoatmail.com a few days ago
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[12:29] <costyn> kokey: wat
[12:29] <fsphil> as you do
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[12:41] <kokey> needed a domain name for some outgoing mail servers
[12:41] <kokey> well, I needed several, and was running low on ideas
[12:44] <lz1dev> spambox
[12:45] <kokey> I'm in the e-mail business
[12:45] <costyn> with screaming goats
[12:45] <kokey> so I have to separate out different quality customers from each other so their reputation doesn't affect each other
[12:46] <cuddykid> ha, that's good
[12:46] <kokey> yeah someone suggested we should include some code that loads some flash audio of a screaming goat when they open the email
[12:46] <cuddykid> anyone know when the .space domains are going to be released?
[12:49] <kokey> I guess the .mars domains will all point to 196.168.x.x
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[13:19] <Laurenceb> any ubuntu users here?
[13:20] <Laurenceb> im trying to install octave3.6-headers on ubuntu 10.04lts
[13:20] <Laurenceb> dont know where to start...
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[13:26] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: upgrade to 12.04 maybe
[13:26] <Laurenceb> ewww
[13:26] <Laurenceb> i guess im going to have to upgrade, but probably to mint or something
[13:26] <Laurenceb> this is not going well :-/
[13:27] <Laurenceb> ive broken octave
[13:27] <Laurenceb> trying to upgrade to 3.6
[13:27] <DanielRichman> plenty of options that arn't upgrading, VM, chroot, or my personal favourite: wipe and reinstall
[13:29] <Laurenceb> i need a way to manually install octave3.6-headers
[13:30] <Laurenceb> but i dont understand how this all works...
[13:30] <Laurenceb> with 3.6headers i can rebuild my libraries, linking against 3.6, atm im linking against 3.2
[13:32] <BrainDamage> suggestion:
[13:32] <BrainDamage> remove all system octave packages
[13:32] <BrainDamage> wipe the folders clean with rm if anything from your experimenting remains
[13:33] <BrainDamage> rebuild everything either from source or from package
[13:33] <BrainDamage> don't mix the 2
[13:33] <BrainDamage> this way you can ensure you'll have no crap
[13:34] <Laurenceb> yeah ive done that
[13:34] <Laurenceb> now the libraries wont build, they are giving errors related to undefined octave types and stuff
[13:35] <Laurenceb> thats as expected, so good so far
[13:35] <Laurenceb> now i need to put the octave 3.6 headers where they are expected?
[13:36] <BrainDamage> if you are compiling manually, make install should take care of that
[13:36] <Laurenceb> it hasnt
[13:36] <BrainDamage> did you pass the right prefix?
[13:36] <BrainDamage> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[13:36] <BrainDamage> or something like that
[13:36] <Laurenceb> hmm
[13:36] <Laurenceb> what will that change?
[13:36] <Laurenceb> i dodnt think i did, but it takes many hours to build
[13:36] <eroomde> ubuntu is going rollin rollin rollin rollin
[13:37] <Laurenceb> id rather not rebuild it
[13:37] <eroomde> apparently
[13:37] <eroomde> not that this helps anything in any way
[13:37] <Laurenceb> trolling mor elike
[13:37] <eroomde> i did spend several man-lifetimes trying to get octave to build on osx recently
[13:37] <BrainDamage> if you don't set prefix, when issuing make install, it'll install in default prfix
[13:37] <Laurenceb> heh
[13:37] <eroomde> i shall not be accused of trolling by you, laurence
[13:37] <BrainDamage> which is not /usr, but /usr/local
[13:37] <Laurenceb> hmm
[13:37] Action: Laurenceb takes a look
[13:38] <BrainDamage> so you have everything installed in like /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/include, etc
[13:39] <BrainDamage> if you have diff crap with same name in both /usr/local and /usr, sometimes programs go apeshit and pick from both, with great mess, /usr is meant to be used by packages /usr/local by local stuff
[13:39] <BrainDamage> and in any case, having both packages and manually compiled stuff about the same thing is asking for trouble
[13:39] <Laurenceb> ah yes
[13:39] <Laurenceb> thanks
[13:40] <Laurenceb> octave3.2-headers from the repo places the headers in /usr/include
[13:40] <Laurenceb> my headers are in /usr/local/include
[13:40] <Laurenceb> so ill move them XD
[13:40] <BrainDamage> you'll risk making an even bigger mess
[13:40] <BrainDamage> at best, symlink
[13:42] <Laurenceb> ok
[13:43] Nick change: benoxley_ -> benoxley
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[14:02] <Laurenceb> same error
[14:02] <Laurenceb> rebuilt linking agains 3.6.3 headers
[14:11] <Laurenceb> OH YEAH
[14:11] <Laurenceb> fixed it
[14:12] <Laurenceb> there were some errors in my makefile
[14:12] <Laurenceb> 2 hours wasted :P
[14:13] <NigelMoby> lol welcome to linux
[14:14] <fsphil> controversial
[14:14] <NigelMoby> ?
[14:14] <Laurenceb> well this would probably be impossible on windows
[14:14] <fsphil> I've wasted more time fixing windows machines than linux :)
[14:15] <fsphil> or fighting with Visual C than gcc
[14:15] <NigelMoby> eww don't swear
[14:15] <Laurenceb> i need to receive vehicle logs from clients and process them into journeys and routes
[14:15] <fsphil> well I haven't mentioned VB yet... ah crap
[14:15] <Laurenceb> roads,distances,timestamps, speeds etc
[14:15] <NigelMoby> ban!
[14:15] <Laurenceb> with lots of xml and bash/octave
[14:16] <NigelMoby> sounds annoying
[14:16] <Laurenceb> the main issue is theres many TB of raw data
[14:16] <Laurenceb> 1Hz GPS and vehicle data at up to 1KHz from thousands of vehicles, millions of journeys
[14:17] <NigelMoby> please say they have SSD storage for that
[14:18] <Laurenceb> no lol
[14:18] <NigelMoby> yikes
[14:18] <Laurenceb> its not too bad as each journey is smallish
[14:18] <Laurenceb> the only interesting thing required is journey to journey statistics
[14:19] <Laurenceb> so the data goes down to megabytes as its processed
[14:19] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: what's it for?
[14:19] <Laurenceb> vehicle fleet statistics
[14:19] <Laurenceb> predict engine failure, look at driver performance, that kind of thing
[14:20] <Randomskk> cool
[14:20] <Randomskk> driver performance?
[14:20] <costyn> Randomskk: or lack thereof :)
[14:20] <Laurenceb> how they drive on different classes of road
[14:20] <costyn> Randomskk: or "too much" performance :)
[14:20] <Laurenceb> hehe
[14:21] <NigelMoby> if(crashes > 1) ... ? :p
[14:22] <Randomskk> sounds fun. what kinda metrics are you looking at for performance?
[14:23] <Laurenceb> how they adjust vehicle speed to road conditions
[14:24] <Randomskk> interesting
[14:24] <Randomskk> I thought you worked on medical devices? :P
[14:24] <Laurenceb> its more a case of "advise driver" rather than anything else
[14:24] <Laurenceb> i work on random crazy projects :P
[14:24] <Randomskk> hehe
[14:25] <Randomskk> ugh. any tips on getting octave to use multiple cores?
[14:25] <HixWork> Boards have arrived off the back of the Hong Donkey, UpuWork you have an order for shiny shiny tracker bits :)
[14:25] <Laurenceb> you can do clever stuff like optimising delivery routes to minimise fuel consumption and stuff
[14:25] <Laurenceb> havent tried multicore
[14:25] <Laurenceb> but 3.6.3 actually seems to have seen some serious work
[14:25] <Randomskk> might upgrade
[14:25] <Laurenceb> i see some options for opencl support
[14:25] <Randomskk> apparently if I install ATLAS then compile Octave
[14:25] <Randomskk> it can use ATLAS which can do multithread
[14:25] <Randomskk> ooh
[14:25] <Randomskk> that'd be ncie too
[14:25] <Randomskk> though atm I suspect my CPU will be faster than OpenCL on the GPU
[14:26] <Laurenceb> and some kind of "native graphics"
[14:26] <Laurenceb> rather than gnuplot only
[14:26] <Randomskk> oh thank goodness
[14:26] <Laurenceb> theres 3.6.4 beta out now
[14:28] <Randomskk> might look into that
[14:29] <Laurenceb> http://wiki.octave.org/Summer_of_Code_Project_Ideas
[14:30] <Laurenceb> "The plotter requires some user interaction for manipulating the plots, and it's been using fltk for quite some time. We want to replace this with Qt, so it fits better with the overall GUI look-and-feel and is easier to extend in the future. "
[14:30] <Randomskk> nice
[14:30] <Laurenceb> https://github.com/goffioul/QtHandles
[14:30] <Randomskk> oh wow
[14:30] <Randomskk> they're making a proper gui?
[14:31] <Randomskk> like matlab?
[14:31] <Randomskk> cool
[14:31] <NigelMoby> Randomskk
[14:31] <Randomskk> hi
[14:31] <NigelMoby> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11889118/get-gnu-octave-to-work-with-a-multicore-processor-multithreading
[14:31] <Randomskk> yea I came across that
[14:31] <Randomskk> looks hopeful
[14:31] <NigelMoby> huge difference so it seems
[14:32] <Randomskk> for certain things
[14:32] <Randomskk> but, those are things I'm doing, so that's cool
[14:32] <NigelMoby> yey
[14:32] <Randomskk> just got a sexy i7 w/ HT
[14:33] <Randomskk> so want to get this stuff going on as many cores as possible
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[14:33] <Randomskk> that said my final piece of octave coursework for the year's due in tomorrow and my actual project is python
[14:33] <Randomskk> and the python is much easier to multithread (not least as numpy does atlas anyway)
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[14:46] <DrLuke> Could anyone familiar with the ublox-6 tell me if it's bad if one of the grounds isn't soldered?
[14:46] <DrLuke> are they connected internally?
[14:46] <mattbrejza> which one?
[14:47] <mattbrejza> i think the bottom of the module is gnd so its not too bad, but i would hope the RF gnd is in tact
[14:47] <DrLuke> mattbrejza: pin 24
[14:48] <DrLuke> it's one of the "normal" GNDs
[14:48] <DrLuke> I accidentally swiped the solder paste to the side while putting down the module onto the board :S
[14:48] <mattbrejza> well as long as there are other normal gnds connected you probably have got away with it
[14:49] <DrLuke> ok cool
[14:49] <DrLuke> all other pins are soldered :)
[14:49] <mattbrejza> also this is a neo?
[14:49] <DrLuke> yep
[14:49] <mattbrejza> cant you touch it up with a iron and solder?
[14:49] <mattbrejza> or would you rather not risk?
[14:50] <DrLuke> rather not risk
[14:50] <DrLuke> there's a big chunky battery connector in the way
[14:50] <DrLuke> not connector, but rather a battery holder
[14:51] <mattbrejza> ah i see
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[16:30] <UpuWork> cheers Hix
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[16:31] <UpuWork> will ship tommorrow as soon as the GPS modules arrive
[16:31] <arko> mogning
[16:31] <arko> morning*
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[16:33] <eroomde> mognog arko
[16:33] <arko> it's that kinda mognog
[16:34] <eroomde> afternoon here
[16:34] <daveake> afternog
[16:34] <eroomde> what's lunch?
[16:34] <eroomde> intranog?
[16:35] <daveake> yup
[16:35] <daveake> and in the evning you can have eggnog
[16:37] <eroomde> not the only kind of nog you can have in the evening..
[16:37] <griffonbot> Received email: Adam Dunville "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Downlink code help"
[16:37] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: OERNEN-II University of Osnabruck (Germany) launch"
[16:37] <eroomde> nudge nudge wink wink 'ows ya fartha?
[16:39] <eroomde> engineering by incantations you've read on the internet
[16:39] <eroomde> great
[16:42] <chrisstubbs> UpuWork, package came today, cheers :)
[16:44] <UpuWork> welcome
[16:45] <chrisstubbs> its 22pf loading caps on the crystal right?
[16:48] <UpuWork> 18-22
[16:49] <chrisstubbs> awesome :)
[16:50] <chrisstubbs> just realised i need to program the chip at 3.3v as i have allready connected the RFM22B. But i can do that with ArduinoasISP and a 5v to 3.3v level converter
[16:50] <HixWork> UpuWork, Are you getting a shipment of 7's in tomorrow?
[16:51] <UpuWork> no
[16:51] <UpuWork> just 6's
[16:51] <UpuWork> the 7's aren't due for mass production until mid April
[16:51] <UpuWork> and read into that June
[16:52] <UpuWork> I was promised samples in Dec and I only got them 2 weeks ago
[16:52] <UpuWork> at 1.8v they are the same power as a 6G but at 3.3v there are some significant power savings
[16:55] <HixWork> ah oki, nps
[16:55] <HixWork> was going to swap but now I'm not :)
[16:55] <HixWork> Boards arrived today, according to Royal Fail, we'll see when i get home
[16:57] <UpuWork> as soon as they are available I'll sell them
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[17:30] <griffonbot> Received email: David Morris "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Downlink code help"
[17:30] <griffonbot> Received email: John Graham-Cumming "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Downlink code help"
[17:34] <eroomde> Sierra005: people here will also happily talk about git and github extensively
[17:34] <eroomde> meta chats about tools are a very good form of displacement activity when you have code to write
[17:35] <eroomde> sometimes when i have something complicated to do, i fire up gitk to look at the pretty tree chapes in the brach history
[17:35] <eroomde> then eat a biscuit
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[19:33] <Willdude123> Hi.
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[19:35] <fsphil> evenings
[19:37] <Willdude123> I wonder if there's a platform I could use/make on my server to let me upload, run and terminate python code remotely.
[19:38] <Laurenceb_> ssh
[19:39] <Willdude123> From a web browser, left that bit out :)
[19:39] <Willdude123> I guess I could have a web based ssh connection.
[19:39] <fsphil> that'd be weird
[19:39] <Willdude123> The objective is to be able to do it at school.
[19:39] <mfa298> there are web ssh clients but they're a bit nasty
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[19:39] <fsphil> run ssh on port 80? :)
[19:39] <chrisstubbs> willdude i used to run tightvnc java viwere to use at college
[19:39] <mfa298> if it's short runnign scripts you might be able to run them as CGI scripts
[19:40] <chrisstubbs> no good if you dont have a GUI though
[19:41] <Willdude123> chrisstubbs, I think the firewall probably only allows a small number of ports.
[19:41] <chrisstubbs> you can run it on 80 i think
[19:41] <Willdude123> Perhaps a django thing to save it as a file, then run it.
[19:42] <mfa298> it's possible to run an ssh server on other ports (443 is a good one)
[19:42] <Willdude123> Yeah.
[19:42] <mfa298> and putty doesn't need installing
[19:42] <Willdude123> It's probably not a practical idea.
[19:42] <chrisstubbs> Willdude123, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2219982/getting-php-to-run-a-python-script
[19:42] <Willdude123> All executables are blocked :(.
[19:43] <Willdude123> Except jar for some reason.
[19:44] <Laurenceb_> cuz its never a security risk
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[19:44] <Laurenceb_> /sarc
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[19:45] <Willdude123> Minor problem also is that anything that needs a password over http to view is marked as suspicious.
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[19:47] <chrisstubbs> Willdude123, start/stop them with your phones browser?
[19:48] <Willdude123> Hmm...
[19:48] <Willdude123> Maybe a django based application.
[19:51] <mfa298> Willdude123: you could take a look at something like http://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/
[19:51] <mfa298> it's a web based ssh client
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[19:56] <zyp> if you can run jar files, you can probably run jython
[19:56] <zyp> and then you have a python environment
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[20:40] <Jorn2> evening
[20:41] <Upu> evening
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[20:42] <Jorn2> just watched an episode of hak
[20:42] <Jorn2> about a project in .nl
[20:43] <Jorn2> are there some good sites you would recommend for a starter? :)
[20:44] <arko> hak?
[20:44] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk
[20:44] <Jorn2> hak5.org
[20:45] <arko> ha! you guys watch that?
[20:45] <arko> not teasing
[20:45] <arko> didn't know they were internationally known
[20:45] <Jorn2> depending on the contents
[20:45] <Jorn2> :)
[20:45] <arko> they're always at toorcon/defcon etc
[20:46] <arko> my friend launched his album with them
[20:46] <Jorn2> indeed
[20:46] <arko> neat
[20:46] <Jorn2> are you from the US arko?
[20:46] <arko> yes
[20:46] <Jorn2> IC
[20:49] <arko> haha!!
[20:49] <arko> http://hakshop.myshopify.com/products/micro-to-micro-otg
[20:49] <arko> they are still selling the kos able
[20:49] <arko> cable*
[20:49] <arko> my friend did that
[20:50] <arko> man revision3 reminds me of techtv
[20:50] <arko> :< rip
[20:52] <Jorn2> it does :)
[20:53] <arko> haha
[20:53] <arko> nice
[20:53] <arko> looking through the video now, rtty
[20:54] <arko> dl-fldigi
[20:54] <arko> very cool
[20:55] <arko> i wish we had the cool rtty networks like you guys :(
[20:56] <Jorn2> are there some peeps from .be over here?
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[20:56] <arko> pretty sure
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[21:04] <Jorn2> are there any launches planned in .be?
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[21:34] <bertrik> hak5.org has a video of the hyperion/habanero launch from the hague, netherlands on march 2nd
[21:50] <Upu> looks like Steve got new Hwoyees in
[21:51] <fsphil> woo
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[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> just noticed
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> I planted my flight in a period in which the world had no pope
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> which doesn't matter
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:18] <chrisstubbs> NSE now has twitter! https://twitter.com/NSEballoon :)
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[22:36] <daveake> Evening all
[22:36] <chrisstubbs> Hi dave
[22:37] <daveake> I don't think I've ever seen so many geeks in so small a place as I did tonight
[22:37] <chrisstubbs> where have you been?
[22:37] <chrisstubbs> pi conf?
[22:37] <daveake> Oxford Geeks Pi night
[22:38] <chrisstubbs> just saw your photo, awesome pic
[22:38] <daveake> :)
[22:38] <chrisstubbs> there must have been a lot of other interesting projects there?
[22:38] <daveake> probably :)
[22:39] <daveake> Only place I could get to stand was, unfortunately*, at the bar. No view of the stage from there.
[22:39] <daveake> *lie
[22:39] <chrisstubbs> lol
[22:39] <daveake> He's coming along to my next Pi launch
[22:40] <chrisstubbs> good old eben
[22:41] <chrisstubbs> do you have a date for your next launch then?
[22:41] <daveake> https://twitter.com/sharland/status/311929971507593216/photo/1
[22:41] <daveake> Nope
[22:42] Nick change: jol02 -> jolo2
[22:42] <daveake> He's away for a couple of weeks. Sometime after then, depending on predictions
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> cool :)
[22:42] <chrisstubbs> So much for the target audience being school kids ;)
[22:42] <daveake> lol
[22:42] <fsphil> big kids too
[22:42] <daveake> The tracker will be a model A with the Pi camera, weighing in at around 140g total
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> is that the big foam raspberry with dual ssdv transmitters?
[22:43] <daveake> yup
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> 140 wow
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> with batts?
[22:45] <daveake> yep
[22:45] <daveake> The Pi has almost all the connectors removed
[22:46] <daveake> The foam is the heaviest item, by some margin
[22:46] <daveake> Might rework that
[22:46] <chrisstubbs> makes me feel a little sad about my 350g payload that does virtually nothing :P
[22:46] <eroomde> whoopie goldberg doesn't have eybrows
[22:47] <daveake> :)
[22:47] <eroomde> OT but worth sharing
[22:47] <daveake> My first one was 1kg
[22:47] <eroomde> my last was 15kg
[22:47] <daveake> lol
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[22:47] <daveake> That'd be heavy even in the USA eroomde :)
[22:47] <Lunar_Lander> hello everyone :)
[22:48] <fsphil> hello single unit
[22:51] <chrisstubbs> Has planning started for your 2018 launch yet Lunar_Lander? ;)
[22:52] <nigelvh> Yeah, 15kg would be well over the limit here
[22:52] <nigelvh> Max is 11 pounds before you need to get explicit approval.
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> ROFL!
[22:55] <chrisstubbs> ;) CAA said i will be getting a preliminary email about my april launch tommorow!
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[23:06] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, cool
[23:13] <chrisstubbs> thats about all the excitment my day consisted of
[23:13] <chrisstubbs> oh and the bits from upu came, soldered on my crystal but need to get some caps and resistors from work tommorow to get the SMD board working
[23:13] <eroomde> an analogy for having bought an arduino and ntx2 and found the wiki page on connecting them and not knowing any C
[23:13] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/vC8XJaJ.jpg
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[23:14] <jonsowman> haha
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> lol
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> right im off, laters everyone!
[23:15] <fsphil> nites
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[23:16] <lz1dev> professional lol
[23:24] <eroomde> an analogy for seeing a hab project on an internet blog and thinking 'that's the coolest thing ever! i will do it!' and then finding out you need to make your own flight computer
[23:24] <eroomde> http://25.media.tumblr.com/f6e58bf15981ee9a41096eeb1c809533/tumblr_miw4l7muXl1rjdfzto1_400.gif
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[23:30] <daveake> lol
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