highaltitude.log.20130305

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[02:26] <Test> hello
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[04:40] <griffonbot> @NiceLookNish: The cute blue graphic long sleeve dress i wore during my bro bday was River Island too! 😊 Loveee them #UKhas🔥🔥shit,#RihannaForRiverIsland [http://twitter.com/NiceLookNish/status/308799097119330305]
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[05:08] <arko> hello people
[05:17] <nigelvh> Hello arko
[05:17] <arko> how goes it
[05:18] <nigelvh> Doing alright. Got some boards in today, and fiddling with it now.
[05:19] <nigelvh> You?
[05:19] <arko> nice!
[05:19] <arko> sitting here jealous
[05:19] <arko> im studying for a midterm tomorrow
[05:19] <nigelvh> Not tracker boards, but interesting none-the-less.
[05:19] <arko> neta
[05:19] <arko> neat*
[05:19] <nigelvh> I'm not jealous of your midterm studying
[05:20] <arko> :P
[05:22] <nigelvh> Hopefully, if my testing continues well, these boards (with parts) will become kits available for sale, but that's another step.
[05:22] <arko> what is it?
[05:23] <nigelvh> I'm making a battery analyzer kit. Discharges batteries and gives you a Ah capacity at a current load, plus a discharge curve of the battery.
[05:25] <arko> neat
[05:25] <arko> usb?
[05:25] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's got a usb connection
[05:25] <arko> sweet
[05:26] <arko> generate some csv reports :)
[05:26] <nigelvh> Yep
[05:26] <nigelvh> Plus a chart
[05:26] <arko> heh, damn i love data
[05:26] <arko> and excel
[05:26] <arko> and matlab
[05:26] <nigelvh> I've got CSV working presently. Working on the chart drawing.
[05:26] <arko> this list gets big
[05:26] <arko> nice
[05:26] <arko> i'd buy one
[05:27] <nigelvh> This is NOT my site: http://www.westmountainradio.com/cba.php but that's the idea of what I'm doing. Though mine can't discharge at 150W.
[05:28] <nigelvh> But they're selling for 160, and I'm aiming at 65
[05:28] <arko> nice
[05:28] <arko> sounds much more reasonable
[05:28] <arko> if it can do my lipo batteries for my rc/uav stuff
[05:28] <nigelvh> Plus it's arduino based, so you can fiddle if you like.
[05:28] <arko> that would be perfect
[05:28] <arko> nice
[05:29] <nigelvh> Yeah, anything from 0-50V
[05:29] <nigelvh> Right now I'm looking at something like 10W discharge (seeing as my heatsink is much smaller and doesn't have a fan)
[05:31] <arko> hmm
[05:31] <nigelvh> Which to be honest, I'd like more out of it, so I may re-jigger that portion
[05:34] <nigelvh> Problem is that getting heatsinks and fans to accomodate gets to be more expensive.
[05:34] <arko> yeah i bet
[05:35] <arko> scaling too
[05:35] <arko> getting lots of them
[05:35] <arko> trick is to find some part that is still being made and is available cheap at large qty's
[05:35] <arko> prototypes are easy, manufacturing and selling is a pain
[05:35] <nigelvh> Well, scaling is presently not much of an issue, seeing as I'm just starting this website/business, so there's not a lot of demand (read zero) so far.
[05:36] <arko> haha
[05:36] <arko> true
[05:36] <nigelvh> Anyway, the overall idea is to sell a variety of kits that do stuff.
[05:36] <nigelvh> This battery analyzer will be one of them.
[05:36] <arko> cool
[05:37] <nigelvh> A friend of mine is considering doing a plasma speaker kit
[05:37] <nigelvh> I'm thinking I'll do an arduino ICSP programmer kit
[05:37] <nigelvh> Random stuff.
[05:38] <arko> heh we sell one
[05:38] <arko> at least
[05:38] <arko> our hackerspace does
[05:38] <arko> http://www.nullspacelabs.com/
[05:38] <arko> oops
[05:38] <arko> look like they are out of stock
[05:38] <arko> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/AVR_Programmer
[05:39] <nigelvh> Yeah, something along those lines.
[05:40] <nigelvh> So far I've been tending towards mostly thru hole stuff to make the kits easier to build, but I'm sure some of them will include surface mount stuff.
[05:40] <arko> smd is great
[05:41] <arko> i find it easier than throughhole
[05:41] <nigelvh> For you or I, but not for everyone.
[05:41] <arko> all about the right tools
[05:41] <nigelvh> Not everyone has those.
[05:41] <arko> yeah
[05:41] <arko> ok
[05:41] <arko> back to studying
[05:42] <nigelvh> Have fuN!
[05:42] <nigelvh> fun*
[05:42] <arko> heh
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[06:09] <arko> oh no....
[06:09] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jvLalY6ubc
[06:11] <nigelvh> God damn that's scary.
[06:11] <arko> yea....
[06:11] <nigelvh> Yes, lets make robots that can carry more than we can and huck cinderblocks at our heads, all autonomously....
[06:12] <arko> HEY GUYS
[06:12] <arko> GOOD IDEA HERE, LETS GIVE IT AI
[06:13] <x-f> ..with implemented "Three laws of robotics", please
[06:14] <arko> psshh
[06:14] <arko> we dont need that
[06:14] <x-f> good morning, America
[06:14] <arko> good morning uk
[06:14] <nigelvh> "Life form unknown. Initiating cinderblock throwing function"
[06:14] <x-f> i'm in LV
[06:14] <arko> Las Vegas?
[06:14] <nigelvh> Seconded.
[06:15] <x-f> Latvia :)
[06:15] <nigelvh> Distinctly not Las Vegas
[06:15] <arko> oh! hello!
[06:15] <x-f> hi
[06:15] <nigelvh> Howdy
[06:15] <x-f> it's the "XD day" in Europe
[06:15] <arko> whats the common language in Latvia?
[06:15] <x-f> Latvian
[06:15] <arko> really?
[06:15] <arko> man
[06:16] <arko> sorry, as a stupid amerian im lost with these things
[06:16] <nigelvh> Seconded
[06:16] <arko> i know where it is on a map at least
[06:16] <x-f> that's enough for me
[06:17] <arko> haha
[06:17] <arko> im so happy when people know where Armenia is on a map
[06:17] <nigelvh> Are you from Armenia?
[06:17] <arko> i tell people im armenian (outside of LA) and they are like what's that?
[06:17] <arko> yeah
[06:18] <nigelvh> So how is being armenian the same as not being in LA?
[06:18] <arko> oh
[06:18] <arko> huge armenian population in Glendale
[06:18] <arko> which is right next to LA
[06:18] <arko> so lots of people know about the country
[06:18] <nigelvh> I see
[06:18] <arko> and the food
[06:19] <arko> we are cool people, dont hate, we had a genocide.. that sucked
[06:19] <arko> turkey still says it didnt happen :/
[06:19] <arko> very lame
[06:20] <nigelvh> I don't know much about armenia
[06:20] <arko> it's a tiny country
[06:20] <arko> peaceful thankfully
[06:21] <arko> i cant really say much though, i've been in the US almost all my life
[06:21] <nigelvh> Cool
[06:22] <nigelvh> I'm from the US. I've visited Canada though...
[06:22] <arko> hahaha
[06:22] <nigelvh> Though in September I'm going to New Zealand
[06:22] <nigelvh> That should be awesome.
[06:22] <arko> LUCKY
[06:22] <arko> thats epic
[06:23] <nigelvh> My wife to be and I's honeymoon.
[06:23] <nigelvh> Should be awesome.
[06:23] <x-f> arko, three times smaller than my country, but a million more people (according to wikipedia)
[06:23] <arko> nigelvh: grats dude!
[06:23] <arko> x-f: heh sweet :)
[06:23] <nigelvh> Thanks. I suppose she's alright.
[06:23] <nigelvh> ;)
[06:24] <arko> :P
[06:24] <x-f> nigelvh, sounds like a great plan :)
[06:24] <nigelvh> Yeah, we're looking forward to it.
[06:26] <nigelvh> Though, the wedding (rather dealing with the family concerning the wedding) is kind of a hassle
[06:27] <arko> yikes, yeah
[06:27] <arko> im delaying that as much as i can
[06:27] <nigelvh> I keep telling her we should just elope.
[06:27] <arko> lol
[06:40] <eroomde> morn
[06:41] <costyn> morning
[06:42] <eroomde> big day today
[06:43] <arko> mornin
[06:43] <arko> oh?
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[06:53] <eroomde> lunar's launch
[06:55] <arko> woah
[06:55] <x-f> the "XD day"
[06:55] <eroomde> lol
[06:55] <nigelvh> Haha
[06:56] <eroomde> i wish him luck
[06:56] <eroomde> we should send him a bottle of whiskey
[06:56] <eroomde> whisky, even
[06:56] <arko> haha
[06:57] <eroomde> he can upgrade himself to Lunar Launcher
[06:57] <eroomde> another fine, dry and spring-like day ahead
[06:58] <arko> :') all grown up
[06:58] <eroomde> finally
[06:58] <arko> woah, no water from the sky?
[06:58] <eroomde> no
[06:58] <eroomde> it hasn't been raining
[06:58] <eroomde> it's just that the water was sitting there in the sky
[06:58] <eroomde> imobile
[07:00] <arko> ah
[07:01] <arko> i've been so busy i haven't had a chance to mess with my hab stuff
[07:01] <arko> had a great time in sf though, did you see the pic?
[07:02] <eroomde> of the ggb?
[07:02] <arko> ggb?
[07:02] <arko> oh
[07:02] <arko> yeah that and http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguino/sets/72157632912520246/
[07:02] <arko> friend took those
[07:02] <eroomde> golden goblet balistrade
[07:02] <arko> it was the hacker bbq
[07:02] <arko> hehe
[07:03] <arko> great acro
[07:03] <arko> people cooked lion and ate it
[07:03] <arko> the ninja guys setup a pager system
[07:03] <arko> and handed out pagers
[07:03] <arko> we we were all paging each other
[07:03] <eroomde> damn those burgers look good
[07:03] <arko> thats literally lion meat
[07:04] <eroomde> nice
[07:04] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguino/8526497117/in/set-72157632912520246/
[07:04] <eroomde> really?
[07:04] <arko> :)
[07:04] <arko> yes really
[07:04] <arko> http://exoticmeatmarkets.com/lionmeat.html
[07:04] <arko> they were the first to eat this specific type too
[07:05] <arko> had it fedex'd
[07:05] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguino/8527587020/in/set-72157632912520246/
[07:05] <arko> this was awesome
[07:05] <arko> sdr with gnuradio
[07:05] <arko> =
[07:05] <arko> our own pager network
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[07:06] <eroomde> vim, git, general terminal, irssi?
[07:06] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinguino/8526496261/in/set-72157632912520246/
[07:06] <arko> same guys who did NinjaTel
[07:06] <arko> eroomde: yeah you gotta rock Irssi
[07:06] <arko> very good actually
[07:06] <jcoxon> morning all
[07:07] <arko> you got them all right
[07:07] <nigelvh> I'm using it presently
[07:07] <arko> haha
[07:07] <arko> morning jocoxon
[07:07] <eroomde> same
[07:07] <nigelvh> thirded
[07:07] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hackaday/8522143447/in/photostream
[07:07] <Ciemon-G0TRT> irssi ftw
[07:08] <arko> lol dan kaminsky
[07:08] <eroomde> what is docwho's name irl?
[07:08] <Ciemon-G0TRT> oh and terminator too
[07:08] <eroomde> i had a go with terminator
[07:08] <eroomde> i might do it again
[07:08] <eroomde> like it in principle
[07:08] <eroomde> and it would ween me off gvim
[07:09] <Ciemon-G0TRT> Love it, terminator coupled with byobu, what more could you ask for
[07:09] <eroomde> where i very occassionally reach for the mouse instead of jumping with vim commands
[07:09] <eroomde> and hate myself for it
[07:10] <Ciemon-G0TRT> Whatever works for you eh. Terminal elitists can get really boring.
[07:11] <radim_OM2AMR> T-50 and counting :-)
[07:11] <eroomde> well, i spend a lot of time manually arranging terminals
[07:11] <arko> i just realized one of the top 10 most dangerous hackers was looking over my shoulder
[07:11] <arko> haha
[07:11] <arko> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/4286458
[07:11] <eroomde> so... terminator seems the better way of doing that
[07:11] <arko> http://www.flickr.com/photos/hackaday/8522143447/in/photostream
[07:11] <arko> he's a very smart and kind person
[07:12] <eroomde> you have no idea how much danger you were in!!1!
[07:12] <arko> one of the most brilliant people i know
[07:12] <eroomde> docwho is the chap we were sitting nexttoo at the LA hackerspace right?
[07:12] <arko> yes
[07:12] <eroomde> what's his real name? if that's a public thing
[07:12] <arko> err
[07:13] <arko> not suppose to be
[07:13] <arko> why do you ask?
[07:13] <eroomde> i'm sure he said 'hi i'm [name]'
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[07:13] <eroomde> which wasn't docwho
[07:13] <arko> dan
[07:13] <arko> dan s.
[07:13] <eroomde> ta
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[07:16] <eroomde> i'm not sure it's that secret really...
[07:17] <eroomde> i hanted for a docwho on twitter
[07:17] <eroomde> hunted*
[07:17] <arko> yeah
[07:17] <arko> it's not really
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[07:17] <arko> i just dont like "doxing" folks
[07:17] <arko> i dont get it though, nothing illigal goes on
[07:18] <arko> i find the handle thing nice because a lot of people have the same name
[07:18] <eroomde> indeed
[07:18] <eroomde> xkcd is such because it's an easily greppable unique string, apparently
[07:20] <arko> yeah
[07:21] <arko> i hate relearning things
[07:21] <Upu> morning all
[07:21] <arko> man, having to relearn Quine-McCluskey is annoying :/
[07:21] <arko> morning Upu
[07:22] <eroomde> morning you poo
[07:22] <eroomde> tee hee
[07:22] <Upu> hee hee
[07:23] <eroomde> i'm not sure i knew it in the first place arko
[07:23] <arko> i had to learn it when doing combinational logic
[07:23] <arko> then again for fpga optimization
[07:23] <arko> but all these tools already take care of this
[07:23] <arko> WHY MUST I DO THIS MANUALLY
[07:23] <arko> I HATE YOU SCHOOL
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[07:26] <nigelvh> YAY BUSY WORK!
[07:26] Action: arko sobs
[07:27] <eroomde> i am pcb-ing today
[07:27] <arko> oh nice, whats the board?
[07:27] <eroomde> adc board for a new multichannel pressure logger
[07:28] <eroomde> adc + front end
[07:28] <arko> woah sweet
[07:28] <arko> does the adc feed to a microcontroller?
[07:28] <arko> fpga?
[07:28] <eroomde> which are some well-sexy instrumentation amps that are my new friends and a 4-pole bessel
[07:28] <arko> oh shiny
[07:28] <eroomde> and low noise, high precision +/- 10V exitation supply
[07:28] <eroomde> for bridge-type sensors
[07:29] <eroomde> it's just going to a stacking connector at the back
[07:29] <arko> how many bit adc?
[07:29] <eroomde> we can have up to 4 of these 8 channel cards
[07:29] <eroomde> and a microcontroller board on the top
[07:29] <arko> oh sweet
[07:29] <eroomde> that will let us do 2khz sampling on 32 channels over ethernet
[07:29] <nigelvh> Fancy
[07:29] <arko> wow nice
[07:30] <eroomde> but you could replace it with an fpga one, or ever just arm cortex something or other, to take advantage of the adc which will do 200ksps simultaneous sampling on 8 channels at 16bits
[07:30] <arko> wow
[07:30] <eroomde> so will end up as a nice datalogging box with 32 pressure channels
[07:30] <arko> holy data batman
[07:31] <arko> whats the sample rate required?
[07:31] <arko> what the required sample rate*
[07:31] <eroomde> and a fancy black anodised front plate nice connectors and our logo in white-filled engraving
[07:31] <eroomde> 2khz will be fine
[07:31] <eroomde> 1khz will probably be fine tbh
[07:32] <eroomde> enough to spot any instabilities in the flow
[07:32] <eroomde> for this application we're building it for, that is
[07:32] <eroomde> but nice to have the option to go audio for other things
[07:32] <eroomde> eg.... a microphone array
[07:32] <arko> ah
[07:32] <nigelvh> Fancy
[07:32] <eroomde> for v high resolution steerable mic arrays
[07:32] <eroomde> which is my secret plan
[07:32] <arko> haha
[07:33] <arko> will this be purely for logging will it feedback control or E-stop?
[07:33] <eroomde> logging for this app that is sponsoring it
[07:33] <arko> coolio
[07:33] <arko> sounds like a fun bit of work ahead of you
[07:34] <eroomde> along with all the usual thinbgs like injector and chamber and nozzle pressures and temperatures, and mass flows, you'll be able to see how well this nozzle is performing
[07:34] <eroomde> http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/images_news/news_july2011/hot-fire-2_800.jpg
[07:34] <eroomde> see all the pressure taps coming off the top?
[07:34] <eroomde> it's doing that
[07:35] <arko> oh yeah
[07:35] <arko> i remember you telling me about this
[07:35] <arko> copper acts as a heat sink
[07:35] <eroomde> yes
[07:35] <arko> it boggles my mind that those pressure tubes just tap in directly
[07:36] <nigelvh> What do you need it to sink heat for?
[07:36] <arko> fire yo
[07:36] <nigelvh> I'm aware of the fire, but other metals can handle fire too.
[07:36] <eroomde> when you want to test some aspect of a new engine, like stability, or really anything, it's much cheaper and easier to make it out of very heavy, thick copper
[07:36] <eroomde> and fire it for a very short time (a second or two)
[07:37] <eroomde> rather than try and engineer a whole cooling system which adds a lot of time an expense when you just want to collect some data
[07:37] <nigelvh> That makes sense, I thought copper would not be a great long term option.
[07:37] <eroomde> so we build them out of copper which has the conductivity, and thick copper for total heat capacity, to endure short firings without any active cooling
[07:37] <arko> much easier to model too
[07:37] <arko> hah
[07:38] <eroomde> then leave it to cool for 45 minutes or so
[07:38] <eroomde> then fire again
[07:38] <eroomde> yeop, much easier
[07:38] <nigelvh> Yes, don't touch
[07:38] <arko> haha
[07:38] <eroomde> you can embed thermocouples along the length and so on
[07:38] <arko> FLIR that
[07:38] <arko> :P
[07:38] <eroomde> because we're using gaseous propellents aswell, 2s is plenty - you've got equilibrium conditions in about 100ms
[07:38] <eroomde> no long startup times
[07:38] <arko> i dream of flir ir camsall day
[07:39] <eroomde> we had a nice one for our blimp project
[07:39] <eroomde> ethernet, 15fps, calibrated and very sensitive
[07:39] <eroomde> if someone typed their password on their keyboard, you could see which keys they pressed for several seconds after they took their hands away
[07:40] <arko> woah
[07:40] <arko> makes sense
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[07:40] <arko> never thought about that
[07:40] <eroomde> it sat in a little pod with a visible light camera, sensitive gps and imu, and pc104 stack which was core2duo - pretty heavy hardware for the time!
[07:40] <eroomde> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K29dn0Mzspk&list=UUDdAMHrUMRwFU3JafszKI2w&index=12
[07:40] <nigelvh> I recall that being in one of those movies about using the constitution to find a secret treasure.
[07:41] <eroomde> we were looking at how dark rockets heated up the snow locally - a suspected mechanism for starting avelanches
[07:41] <eroomde> rockets?
[07:41] <eroomde> autopilot fingers
[07:41] <eroomde> rocks
[07:41] <arko> woah cool
[07:45] <arko> i need to sleep
[07:45] <arko> have to be up at 6am for class tomorrow
[07:45] <arko> :/
[07:45] <arko> sigh*
[07:45] <arko> night yall
[07:46] <griffonbot> Received email: Chris Stubbs "[UKHAS] Re: OERNEN-II University of Osnabruck (Germany) launch"
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[07:46] <nigelvh> night
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[08:41] <daveake> I'm kinda guessing that the chase car on the map isn't Lunar's
[08:42] <RocketBoy> I cant wait for this flight - probably the most anticipated HAB flight in history
[08:43] <daveake> has to be
[08:43] <daveake> The rise of Lunar_Launcher_Lander
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[08:44] <RocketBoy> anyone got a predicted flight path?
[08:44] <RocketBoy> just seeing if its worth breaking out the colinear
[08:45] <daveake> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=ae707dda116355fd79a92a11c796353222c1a254
[08:45] <daveake> That was posted last night
[08:47] <daveake> That's with a cutdown at 22km; we were trying to persuade him to not cutdown, or do it higher
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[08:49] <RocketBoy> yeah 22km would be a shame
[08:51] <Upu> I blocked that chase car
[08:51] <daveake> good idea
[08:51] <Upu> going further if cut down doesn't work
[08:51] <daveake> Don't want anything else on there today :)
[08:52] <Upu> not spoiling history
[08:52] <RocketBoy> 550Km at cutdown for me
[08:52] <Upu> doable
[08:52] <Upu> just
[08:52] <daveake> possible then
[08:52] <RocketBoy> just doing the maths on 2km
[08:53] <daveake> This was the other one he posted http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2399059374944f21f25ca5f8d7b10eec378dddb1
[08:54] <daveake> Could be a QSL card worth framing :)
[08:54] <RocketBoy> 22km line of sight = 530km
[08:54] <Upu> quick PM RocketBoy as I need to shoot for this exam
[08:56] <RocketBoy> yeah thats better
[08:57] <RocketBoy> could def hear that one
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[08:58] <fsphil> no chance here, but I'll be happy to watch this one on spacenear
[08:59] <daveake> T-2 mins to start of launch window
[08:59] <daveake> Has anyone been on from the launch site?
[09:00] <daveake> I did suggest he put someone on IRC to keep us informed
[09:00] <number10> havent seen anyone
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[09:01] <RocketBoy> I still have plenty of time to get out of bed, shower, breakfast and set up the rx then
[09:02] <gonzo_> I doubt most teams have enough spare hands to man the irc
[09:03] <daveake> Of course, but he said he might have someone spare
[09:03] <RocketBoy> it can get difficult
[09:03] <fsphil> very
[09:03] <daveake> yup
[09:03] <fsphil> I'm usually the only one who knows what IRC even is
[09:03] <daveake> One of the reasons I like doing the batc - people can see what's goign on, pretty much
[09:05] <RocketBoy> yeah - once set up its no bother
[09:05] <RocketBoy> I used to use ustream but seem to have got out of the habit
[09:05] <daveake> Hate the advertising on that
[09:05] <fsphil> better video quality on ustream, but everything else is awful
[09:06] <fsphil> I suspect batc could be made as good. they've just got a poor viewer
[09:07] <RocketBoy> yeah back when I did it last was before they introduced adverts
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[09:09] <RocketBoy> have we launched yet? have we launched yet? have we launched yet? have we launched yet? have we launched yet?
[09:09] <Eric_> I do not know ?
[09:09] <Eric_> I don't hear anything on 434.075
[09:13] <griffonbot> Received email: MikeB "[UKHAS] Re: OERNEN-II University of Osnabruck (Germany) launch"
[09:14] <daveake> damn thought that was going to be "about to launch"
[09:15] <RocketBoy> gees - ustream $99/month for a pro account
[09:15] <RocketBoy> (ad free)
[09:15] <daveake> totally worth it. err....
[09:15] <RocketBoy> they can keep it
[09:16] <fsphil> would tiamat have enough bandwidth to stream from?
[09:16] <RocketBoy> surly BATC can do higher res for a bit of dosh - happy to cough up
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[09:19] <eroomde> speaking of have we launched yet, rob harrison used to have this fantastic abaility to phone up and ask 'have you launched yet?' precisely during trying to seal off the balloon
[09:20] <fsphil> lol
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[09:20] <daveake> before batc too :)
[09:20] <fsphil> he phoned us up on our first launch, asking how things where going
[09:20] <number10> I think checking the leds may be taking slightly longer than expected
[09:22] <jonsowman> "XD! OERNEN-II XD!"
[09:22] <jonsowman> haha
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[09:23] Topic changed on #highaltitude by jonsowman!jonsowman@kryten.hexoc.com: Welcome to #highaltitude - discuss anything to do with high altitude projects (balloons, gliders, etc) www.ukhas.org.uk - OERNEN-II Launch 0900UTC 05/03/13 from University of Osnabruck
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[09:23] <number10> anyone know what happened to OERNEN-I ?
[09:23] <nosebleedkt> ooooooo
[09:24] <nosebleedkt> Kevin Glinka!
[09:24] <fsphil> indeed
[09:24] <nosebleedkt> he launched today?
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[09:24] <daveake> not yet
[09:24] <daveake> but today's the day
[09:24] <nosebleedkt> SHIT I promised to announce in my fb page
[09:24] <nosebleedkt> damn !
[09:24] <daveake> it'll be on CNN later
[09:25] <nosebleedkt> xaxaxaxa
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[09:36] <fsphil> this needs some dramatic music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N1TJP_B8YM
[09:39] <nosebleedkt> eh
[09:39] <nosebleedkt> does anyone have a picture of Kevin's payload?
[09:52] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil :-D
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[09:59] <fsphil> Damme
[09:59] <fsphil> is just north of Osnabruch
[09:59] <fsphil> k
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[10:06] <daveake> WOOOOO
[10:06] Action: daveake takes screenshot
[10:07] <HixWork> ha "XD! OERNEN-II XD!"
[10:07] <HixWork> loving that
[10:07] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, do we have a tracker?
[10:07] <HixWork> did Lunar spec that?
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[10:08] <LazyLeopard> Ah. Balloon in the air...
[10:08] <radim_OM2AMR> great, go Lunar GO ! :-D
[10:08] <eroomde> now we wait
[10:08] <nosebleedkt> where can we see it?
[10:08] <LazyLeopard> Needs trackers nearer ;)
[10:09] <nosebleedkt> any balloon tracking site?
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[10:09] <fsphil> IT LAUNCHED???!
[10:09] <number10> balloon on map
[10:10] <radim_OM2AMR> yes
[10:10] <daveake> Do keep up chaps :)
[10:10] <radim_OM2AMR> fsphil, you missed it as usualy ? ;-)
[10:10] <daveake> 1st appeared 5 mins ago
[10:10] <fsphil> I was away having breakfast :)
[10:10] <LazyLeopard> It's moved and it's claiming significant altitude, so I'd guess it has. ;)
[10:10] <fsphil> 3.5m/s
[10:11] <daveake> was 5m/s last time
[10:11] <fsphil> ah, possibly just rounding errors
[10:11] <fsphil> no updates
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[10:12] <daveake> need more listeners
[10:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/OERNEN-II/
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[10:13] <daveake> hmm 3.1
[10:13] <daveake> ah well has cutdown
[10:13] <fsphil> just gonna be a bit further than he expected
[10:14] <daveake> How many batteries? It's a Pro so 5V Vcc and 6.22V battery seems a bit low
[10:14] <mfa298> Just have to hope he didnt disable it after last nights discussion
[10:14] <daveake> :p
[10:14] <fsphil> rate actually seems to be slowing
[10:15] <radim_OM2AMR> floater candidate, where Upu's ended Kevin begins :-)
[10:15] <Ciemon-G0TRT> That landing point doesn't look good
[10:15] <HixWork> ha, good point radim_OM2AMR q
[10:15] <nosebleedkt> where do u see it !!!!!
[10:15] <radim_OM2AMR> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[10:15] <fsphil> it's likely to move away from that lake
[10:15] <Randomskk> omgomgomg
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[10:16] <Randomskk> hmm
[10:16] <Randomskk> wet prediction
[10:16] <fsphil> steady at 3m/s now
[10:17] <jonsowman> is the prediction correct? i.e. up to date data and burst alt etc
[10:17] <fsphil> cut-down at 22km iirc, so that's accurate
[10:17] <jonsowman> cool
[10:17] <fsphil> unknown about the gfs data
[10:17] <Randomskk> probably fine
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[10:18] <Randomskk> following it so far
[10:18] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/OERNEN-II/
[10:18] <fsphil> Lunar_Launched
[10:19] <fsphil> being received in .nl
[10:19] <HixWork> Jess-- migh pick that up given the radio silence from the waterfall the ohter day in that area
[10:20] <HixWork> have my dongle and duck in the office, so it's pretty much a no go for me
[10:20] <fsphil> I'd need some impressive luck to get anything
[10:21] <jonsowman> that'd be a record
[10:21] <jonsowman> mm maybe not actually, it's not as far east as I thought
[10:22] <fsphil> 1000km from here
[10:22] <fsphil> I bet Kev's panicing now :)
[10:22] <daveake> That'd be a new record /and/ you'd get a QSL card from LL
[10:24] <Randomskk> oh man. that'd go on the pinboard.
[10:24] <daveake> in a frame
[10:27] <fsphil> x-f: you just testing?
[10:29] <fsphil> this really needs more listeners
[10:29] <jonsowman> midday on a weekday is I guess suboptimal for listeners
[10:29] <daveake> Well even LL himself isn't uploading
[10:30] <jonsowman> wonder if there's a globaltuner
[10:30] <daveake> He told me he has a radio/aerial and 2 laptoips set up in the chase car
[10:30] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/xYXjYrv.png
[10:30] <craag> I could email Henk and try to get dokkum dx online.
[10:31] <jonsowman> what have you done Laurenceb
[10:31] <Elwell> 0 chance of picking it up from geneva
[10:32] <daveake> These testers don't understand the enormity of what's happening before our eyes
[10:33] <jonsowman> it has literally been years
[10:33] <daveake> It was years when I joined, and that was 2 years ago :)
[10:33] <jonsowman> it was after I joined (mid 2008) but not long
[10:33] <fsphil> likewise
[10:33] <jonsowman> iirc
[10:33] <jonsowman> it's all dim and murky history
[10:34] <daveake> :D
[10:34] <daveake> Does anyone know if LL switched to a 3.3V Arduino? Battery is down below 6V now
[10:34] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/OERNEN-II/
[10:34] <daveake> I've not tried to see how low the 5V ones will go
[10:35] <Randomskk> 2010-02-03 21:32:55-!- Lunar_Lander [~lunar_lan@p54885C6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #highaltitude
[10:35] <Randomskk> 2010-02-03 21:33:33<Lunar_Lander> I think I landed in the right place
[10:35] <Randomskk> 2010-02-03 21:34:31<Lunar_Lander> I am a physics student from germany and I am really interested in stratosphere ballooning
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[10:35] <jonsowman> good digging
[10:36] <Randomskk> 3 years 1 month and 2 days ago
[10:36] <fsphil> taking ISH to new levels
[10:37] <Laurenceb> the balloon is callee XD! ???
[10:37] <daveake> That said, he launched about 1 hour after his window started
[10:37] <jonsowman> could have launched bang on 3 years if he tried
[10:37] <fsphil> Laurenceb: think that was a little addition by someone here :)
[10:37] <jonsowman> I think I can guess who
[10:37] <Laurenceb> lol
[10:38] <daveake> XD
[10:38] <Randomskk> prediction is slightly less wet
[10:38] <Randomskk> that's nice
[10:38] <HixWork> I thought it had been doctored :)
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[10:42] <Laurenceb> some0one should call its bieber-hab
[10:43] <eroomde> topical joke of the day award goes to
[10:44] <daveake> http://i.imgur.com/ibdVIB4.jpg <-- very first appearance on the map
[10:44] <daveake> Wonder if he'll sign it for me :)
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[10:48] <eroomde> farnell or rs part number for dual row stackable 0.1" headers such as found on the arduino mega, anyone? love andkisses for ever and so on
[10:49] <Laurenceb> the extra tall wirewrap thingies?
[10:49] <eroomde> like the wirewrap thingies, though i thick these have thinner leads
[10:50] <eroomde> but yes
[10:51] <eroomde> a long lead something like this: http://uk.farnell.com/fci/20021311-00012t4lf/receptacle-vert-1-27mm-tht-12way/dp/1865314
[10:51] <Laurenceb> dunno
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[10:53] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/OERNEN-II/
[10:55] <UpuWork> wow
[10:56] <UpuWork> Lunar up already
[10:56] <HixWork> Deutschepunkuality
[10:56] <daveake> Brian's receiving now excellent
[10:57] <daveake> -17 inside the payload ... bit cold considering there's a camera in there
[10:58] <fsphil> isn't this the end of the world or something
[10:58] <daveake> habageddon
[10:58] <mattbrejza> we hit -35 on sun in the case with two cameras...
[10:58] <daveake> ok fair enough :)
[10:59] <Maxell> Temperature, External: -59.56 °C holy
[10:59] <daveake> precision
[10:59] <DrLuke> HixWork: Did you mean to say Deutsche Pünktlichkeit? ;P
[11:00] <fsphil> 3.8m/s .. speeding up a bit
[11:01] <fsphil> Hi LL from the future reading these logs. congrats :)
[11:01] <navrac_work> still nothing on the waterfall here
[11:02] <daveake> Yes well done Lunar_Launcher
[11:02] Action: daveake prays for _Lander and _Finder
[11:02] <gonzo_> petershagen, what a name
[11:04] <mattbrejza> did you see where pop landed at the weeked gonzo_ ?
[11:04] <gonzo_> it was in the forests just north of portsmouth wasn't it.
[11:05] <mattbrejza> the town of cocking
[11:05] <mattbrejza> well village
[11:05] <daveake> s/landed/went down/
[11:05] <gonzo_> hehe, ah yes
[11:06] <DrLuke> LL picked a really nice day for launching
[11:06] <DrLuke> the weather is amazing
[11:07] <Laurenceb> mattbrejza: and nead to "Hoe Copse"
[11:07] <Laurenceb> *near
[11:07] <mattbrejza> well it was on hoe corpse
[11:08] <mattbrejza> stuck in the bushes
[11:08] <gonzo_> there are some great names about for the purile.... like me
[11:08] <gonzo_> they had to get a woodsman with hid chopper
[11:08] <gonzo_> his
[11:09] <gonzo_> (just port this chan straight into the next finbar saunders)
[11:09] <daveake> Range is getting close to the anglian listeners
[11:10] <HixWork> oh eroomde: http://goo.gl/u4NCB and http://goo.gl/Sucqj them?
[11:10] <mattbrejza> im not sure if the school kids will be told the exact village it landed in
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[11:13] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/OERNEN-II/
[11:14] <Laurenceb> navrac_work: anything?
[11:15] <HixWork> or the cheap version eroomde http://goo.gl/VDG7j
[11:15] <navrac_work> yerp its on the waterfall now - but very weak
[11:15] <eroomde> HixWork: almost, but they need to be the extra long legs
[11:16] <eroomde> so you can stack boards with them
[11:16] <HixWork> ahh, got you
[11:16] <Laurenceb> thing sounds like an excuse for some trolling
[11:16] <eroomde> those legs are designed really just to go through 1.6mm FR4 and have enough left over to solder on to, I think
[11:17] <Laurenceb> trololololololol http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0045/8932/files/stacked-shields_large.jpg?1280198233
[11:19] <HixWork> eroomde, comme ca http://goo.gl/GzSOm
[11:19] <navrac_work> not strong enough for even a half decent partial at the minute
[11:20] <eroomde> heh technobots
[11:20] <eroomde> i used to know the chap behind that from my robot wars days
[11:20] <Laurenceb> OZ1SKY has it
[11:20] <Laurenceb> never saw that one coming
[11:21] <eroomde> HixWork: that sort of thing. in an ideal worlds there would be a dual row version but failing that, this
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[11:21] <number10> what is the frequency navrac_work
[11:23] <Laurenceb> i wish stm32discovery had single row :(
[11:23] <HixWork> eroomde, http://goo.gl/eyKZs bored now :)
[11:23] <mattbrejza> 400m to cutdown
[11:23] <Laurenceb> having said that it would then be huge
[11:24] <Laurenceb> wtf
[11:24] <Laurenceb> cutdown at 20km?! fail
[11:24] <mattbrejza> my bad, 2400m
[11:24] <daveake> 22km
[11:24] <mattbrejza> but still 22km...
[11:24] <Laurenceb> 24km?
[11:24] <eroomde> why?
[11:24] <Laurenceb> ah
[11:24] <jonsowman> all going well?
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[11:25] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Guess if the cut-down works it won't quite come into range...
[11:25] <mattbrejza> he made the mistake of telling the "CAA" 22km so couldnt go back on it
[11:25] <daveake> Well, if it fails to cutdown I'll put the aerial up
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[11:25] <eroomde> the CAA haven't had jurisdiction in germany since 1945
[11:26] <mattbrejza> "CAA"
[11:26] <daveake> lmao
[11:26] <UpuWork> lol
[11:27] <LazyLeopard> Anyone know a dial freequncy?
[11:28] <fsphil> 11
[11:28] <jonsowman> lol
[11:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nothing on the waterfall in Sussex for me
[11:28] <daveake> I thought ere would be a load of Polish listeners by now, like for their own launch. Has Germany ever done anything to upset them?
[11:28] <jonsowman> ¬.¬
[11:28] <UpuWork> lol
[11:28] <fsphil> I couldn't resist, had a look with the fcd. nothing on the waterfall here either
[11:29] <UpuWork> go on lets have a look
[11:30] <Laurenceb> bet the cutdown fails...
[11:30] <M0NSA> what freq is this one on?
[11:30] <fsphil> 434.075
[11:30] <fsphil> ish
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[11:31] <M0NSA> ta, not seeing it here
[11:31] <Laurenceb> hmm
[11:31] <craag_web> M0NSA: Being ambitious?
[11:31] <Laurenceb> no packets for a while
[11:32] Action: LazyLeopard has scanned +/- .010
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> 4 minutes without telemetry
[11:32] <daveake> oh :(
[11:32] <Laurenceb> oops
[11:32] <mattbrejza> does that mean cutdown?
[11:32] <fsphil> there it is
[11:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Operated
[11:32] <mattbrejza> oh
[11:32] <fsphil> 22km
[11:32] <fsphil> 22.1
[11:33] <daveake> ah
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Still climbing
[11:33] <Laurenceb> wait...
[11:33] <Laurenceb> where the cutdown lol
[11:33] <UpuWork> sssh Laurenceb give it time
[11:33] Action: daveake puts up aerial
[11:33] <UpuWork> antenna rotated :)
[11:33] <mattbrejza> well the code seems fine
[11:33] <daveake> indeed
[11:33] <jonsowman> Cutdown: CD
[11:34] <jonsowman> does that mean it should have cut down?
[11:34] <daveake> Wonder if he decided not to connect it
[11:34] <mattbrejza> at least he has seperate batteries for it i seem to remember
[11:34] <UpuWork> so its active
[11:34] <craag_web> UpuWork: habrotate working for you today?
[11:34] <UpuWork> it is craag :)
[11:34] <mattbrejza> accidently on purpose it didnt work
[11:34] <daveake> :)
[11:34] <jonsowman> bit like your signed int bug righ
[11:34] <jonsowman> t
[11:34] <jonsowman> ;)
[11:34] <HixWork> we worked out last night that there were many ways it could possibly fail
[11:34] <mattbrejza> oh
[11:34] <UpuWork> haha
[11:34] <NigelMoby> lol
[11:34] <UpuWork> there it goes sort of
[11:34] <craag_web> Great. I've fixed the flight-list sorting code, but will wait until I can work out what happened with your other error.
[11:35] <HixWork> damn down
[11:35] <Laurenceb> cutdown
[11:35] <LazyLeopard> Descent time...
[11:35] <daveake> oh
[11:35] <HixWork> bugger
[11:35] <mattbrejza> my signed int bug was only a snprintf issue
[11:35] <UpuWork> in your face Blaxter
[11:35] <daveake> lol
[11:35] <UpuWork> I had faith all along
[11:35] Action: daveake doesn#'t put up aerial
[11:35] Action: UpuWork goes and turns his radio off
[11:35] Action: fsphil closes VNC
[11:35] <UpuWork> lol
[11:35] Action: HixWork stays on R4 with the dongle
[11:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/OERNEN-II/
[11:36] <fsphil> I hope he's near it
[11:36] <fsphil> cause those stations will not be able to track it all the way
[11:36] <jonsowman> big chute?
[11:36] <fsphil> though DG9BFC
[11:36] <jonsowman> -20m/s isn't particularly quick for 22km
[11:36] <fsphil> is quite near
[11:36] <UpuWork> lack of local reciever
[11:36] <daveake> very slow
[11:37] <daveake> erm no seems ok
[11:37] <jonsowman> yeah it's probably fine actually
[11:37] <navrac_work> 434.073 - sorry was afk
[11:37] <jonsowman> just used to seeing 30-40m/s but the altitude is usually 30-40km
[11:37] <daveake> yep me too :)
[11:38] <x-f> fsphil, yes, it was a test, sorry for interrupting LL's flight, but CAA requested a demonstration :/
[11:38] <fsphil> no worries :) just curious
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> its falling or its my idea?
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> only 22km?
[11:39] <nosebleedkt> \:
[11:40] <craag_web> nosebleedkt: Cutdown at 22km.
[11:40] <x-f> spent three hours there and [something censored]
[11:40] <nosebleedkt> wow
[11:40] <nosebleedkt> what was the cutdown mechanism?
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[11:40] <x-f> what was the cause for cutdown?
[11:40] <fsphil> altitude limit
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/OERNEN-II/index.php?ind=7
[11:40] <UpuWork> deliberate
[11:41] <NigelMoby> nichrome?
[11:41] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: nichrome wire
[11:41] <UpuWork> hence it being slow
[11:41] <nosebleedkt> so that things work up there
[11:41] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f, liked people from CAA tracker ?
[11:41] <fsphil> the balloon is probably still ascending :)
[11:41] <Darkside> wait
[11:41] <Darkside> who is flying?
[11:41] <fsphil> Darkside: guess
[11:41] <Darkside> no
[11:41] <fsphil> yes
[11:41] <Darkside> NO
[11:42] <fsphil> WAY DUDE
[11:42] <Darkside> oh my god
[11:42] <Darkside> LL is FLYING?!
[11:42] <fsphil> past tense
[11:42] <fsphil> flew
[11:42] <fsphil> now falling
[11:42] <Darkside> hah
[11:42] <Darkside> awesome
[11:42] <fsphil> fingers crossed for the recovery
[11:42] <eroomde> the day has come
[11:42] <fsphil> so far everything's gone perfectly
[11:42] <eroomde> ukhas is finished now
[11:42] <fsphil> haha
[11:43] <jonsowman> time to write the book eroomde
[11:43] <x-f> radim_OM2AMR, yes, that part was ok, but they want us to do (even) more paperwork now
[11:44] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f, oh, I hope that is the last obstacle for your GO permission
[11:45] <x-f> heh, i don't want to comment that :)
[11:52] <Ciemon-G0TRT> What no chase cars? :(
[11:53] <fsphil> sadly not
[11:53] <fsphil> they may not have 3G
[11:53] <Ciemon-G0TRT> doesn't LL know that we need to know!
[11:53] <UpuWork> if they are close they will be able to catch it at that speed
[11:53] <daveake> Landing speed is gonna be about 3.2
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[11:56] <jonsowman> hope it avoids that river
[11:56] <jonsowman> apart from that the landing area looks acceptable
[11:56] <jonsowman> not too many trees
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[11:57] <Geoff-G8DHE__> Might be a bit boggy
[11:57] <fsphil> horrible stuff
[11:58] <jonsowman> ah
[11:58] <daveake> I don't know why we should be surprised at the lack of updates from Lunar ... he's never on during a flight :)
[11:58] <fsphil> lol
[11:59] <jonsowman> lecture bbl
[11:59] <fsphil> have something resembling fun
[11:59] <jonsowman> optimal control
[11:59] <jonsowman> woo
[12:00] <fsphil> 36 minutes to landing
[12:00] <fsphil> sheesh
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE__> Its heading for a Dinosaur Park ;-) http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/OERNEN-II/index.php?ind=8
[12:01] <fsphil> if the chute is big enough and it catches an updraft, it might start ascending again
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[12:12] <fsphil> that's a lot of trees
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[12:14] <radim_OM2AMR> and a lot of water, crossing fingers to not to land wet
[12:14] <daveake> Wasserstrasse ... sounds ominous
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[12:16] <daveake> Thing is, without a chase car uploading, we won't know till LL shows up here
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[12:16] <fsphil> sadly
[12:16] <fsphil> DL9MWE is doing well so far
[12:16] <daveake> Yup
[12:16] <fsphil> and the area looks fairly flat
[12:17] <radim_OM2AMR> inside temp is lower than ext
[12:17] <fsphil> insulation working, sorta
[12:17] <HixWork> Lunar_Lander bereitet seine Badehose
[12:17] <daveake> and sun on the outside
[12:17] <radim_OM2AMR> yea
[12:18] <fsphil> prediction has been really steady
[12:18] <daveake> Well, it has a lot of data points per km travelled :)
[12:18] <HixWork> deviation ist verbÓ
[12:18] <radim_OM2AMR> nice place for Lunar_Landing
[12:18] <HixWork> verboten
[12:19] <daveake> Certainly going better than my first fligjt
[12:19] <daveake> flight
[12:19] <fsphil> I hope he remembered to turn on the camera
[12:20] <daveake> That was in der list
[12:20] <Darkside> hmm -3.6m/s
[12:20] <fsphil> ah yes
[12:20] <Darkside> still hasnt beat our record
[12:20] <Darkside> of +0.1m/s
[12:20] <daveake> :)
[12:20] <HixWork> heh
[12:20] <Darkside> where it glided
[12:21] <fsphil> prediction heading west
[12:21] <fsphil> away from those trees thankfully
[12:22] <daveake> No more telemetry?
[12:22] <fsphil> ah man
[12:22] <fsphil> cliffhanger
[12:22] <radim_OM2AMR> finished
[12:22] <fsphil> "tranquility base here. the eagle has ... "
[12:23] <fsphil> oh new data
[12:23] <daveake> You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue.
[12:23] <radim_OM2AMR> to the right ! not to the left !
[12:24] <Laurenceb> to the river
[12:25] <daveake> another point
[12:25] <radim_OM2AMR> over the river
[12:25] <fsphil> it'll clear it
[12:26] <daveake> It's ignoring the end of the prediction
[12:26] Action: fsphil puts on the dramatic music again
[12:27] <Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcHhlu-UQY
[12:28] <Laurenceb> got to be landing about now?
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[12:29] <Laurenceb> boring
[12:30] <fsphil> you're dead inside if this isn't even a little bit exciting
[12:30] <Laurenceb> needs more updates
[12:31] <Laurenceb> preferable in the river for epic lulz
[12:31] <daveake> You are an epic twat sometimes
[12:32] <HixWork> heh
[12:32] <Laurenceb> kiss my http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs5/i/2004/312/1/2/my_girly_butt_by_snowy_white_death.jpg
[12:32] <daveake> rather not
[12:32] <NigelMoby> ehm enough of that pls.
[12:33] <radim_OM2AMR> agree
[12:36] <fsphil> now the wait
[12:36] <radim_OM2AMR> I hope LL will inform us soon here
[12:36] <HixWork> can we call Lunal LEM once he's landed
[12:36] <HixWork> Lunar
[12:36] <NigelMoby> lol
[12:39] <HixWork> no radio-coms, Lunar is on the dark side of the moon
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[12:45] <daveake> need updates
[12:45] <fsphil> really are turning blue
[12:45] <Laurenceb> that river looks more brown to me
[13:00] <nosebleedkt> what happened?
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[13:01] <HixWork> any update from LEM?
[13:01] <fsphil> no updates below 1km nosebleedkt
[13:01] <fsphil> and it's quite near a river
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[13:03] <S_Mark> Hello, can someone confirm that this is the right caa form please https://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=33&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=form&id=4409
[13:05] <daveake> "Captive"
[13:05] <eroomde> let's celebrate kevin's best bits in honour of today
[13:05] <daveake> So that'd be a no
[13:05] <eroomde> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJECVQrGtGs&list=UUwLbAytnYpEVbryZurOL8cg&index=11
[13:05] <daveake> arnie!
[13:06] <eroomde> S_Mark: always worth a trip to the ukhas wiki before asking a question
[13:06] <eroomde> http://ukhas.org.uk/general:restrictions_legality
[13:07] <S_Mark> Yep been on there loads of times, just read the bit about couldnt find the 2009 form so I thought I'd look myself
[13:07] <S_Mark> Thanks though
[13:08] <S_Mark> This form on the wiki is enough then?
[13:08] <NigelMoby> yup
[13:08] <S_Mark> Great thanks
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[13:17] <HixWork> going forward, going forward looking as we go forward, who came up with this s%^*e and why do they feel the need to use it at any opportunity
[13:18] <HixWork> rant over as you were
[13:18] <nosebleedkt> is kevin alive?
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[13:19] <daveake> We're awaiting "Hello"
[13:19] <Laurenceb> Hixwork: do you go forward to promote synergy?
[13:19] <daveake> Possibly a more excited version
[13:20] <HixWork> XD!!!!!
[13:21] <x-f> yea
[13:21] <fsphil> hope so
[13:21] <jonsowman> any news from recovery?
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[13:22] <eroomde> it is on the ground or so
[13:22] <eroomde> and nthing has changed since last time
[13:22] <eroomde> nothing
[13:22] <jonsowman> right
[13:22] <eroomde> except the following things:
[13:22] <eroomde> it is no longer on the ground
[13:22] <eroomde> XD
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[13:39] <HixWork> wo ist Lunar heute?
[13:40] <Steffanx> das weiß ich nicht
[13:41] <HixWork> heh
[13:41] <DrLuke> Käse
[13:41] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "[UKHAS] Launch announcement - Thursday 7th March - Chalgrove - Vortex
[13:41] <Babs> I would be disappointed if they don't have Nena's 1984 europop classic 99 luftballoons on in the chase car.
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[13:42] <DrLuke> haha
[13:42] <HixWork> oh dear, hope not
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[13:43] <cuddykid> How's life?
[13:43] <HixWork> has anyone on #highaltitude ever anticipated "Hello" so much in it's history?
[13:43] <cuddykid> haha
[13:43] <HixWork> find anything on BMFA cuddykid
[13:44] <cuddykid> HixWork: all too expensive - I've bought a Turnigy TX9 from HK with donkey post .. so it should be here in a few weeks :)
[13:44] <cuddykid> didn't realise how much some of these radios cost new!
[13:45] <nosebleedkt> so they found it ?
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[13:45] <fsphil> no news nosebleedkt
[13:45] <nosebleedkt> ok
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[13:46] <HixWork> cuddykid, is that a spektrum copy then?
[13:47] <cuddykid> i think so - there are a few brands of it
[13:47] <cuddykid> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8992__Turnigy_9X_9Ch_Transmitter_w_Module_8ch_Receiver_Mode_2_v2_Firmware_.html
[13:47] <cuddykid> bbl
[13:48] <HixWork> wow thats a steasl
[13:48] <HixWork> steal
[13:54] <x-f> chase car on the map is a must
[13:54] <x-f> spokesperson in the chatroom is a nice touch
[13:54] <x-f> live stream is a cool feature
[13:54] <x-f> the list is growing
[13:55] <Elwell> chase car in diferent continent, no so useful
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[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> ?
[14:10] <Geoff-G8DHEm> ?
[14:10] <jonsowman> ?
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[14:11] <Geoff-G8DHEm> My 3g provider block the IRC domain name - so had to use the IP address instead ;-)
[14:13] <jonsowman> lol
[14:14] <Geoff-G8DHEm> just checking by VNC back home to make sure that was all
[14:16] <HixWork> any guides to hardware for cutdowns?
[14:16] <Tiger^> http://www.mez.co.uk/fusereplacement.jpg
[14:17] <Geoff-G8DHEm> The last one is a good idea, just needto control the lightning bolt
[14:20] <HixWork> heh, ta
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[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHEm> http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:cut_downs?s[]=cut&s[]=down
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[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHEm> http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=143
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHEm> http://blog.czanso.com/2011/05/odpojeni-balonu-servem/
[14:28] <HixWork> cheers geoff, got the first two. third one not seen though
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHEm> Saw another method that was used to release a tow rope - ball bearing against a lipped step, tow rope over ball bearing servo held bb aginst lip until servo operated dropping bb and rope - if that makes sense
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[14:32] <Geoff-G8DHEm> needs a diagram really but not in position at the mo.
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[14:46] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, any news?
[14:46] <Geoff-G8DHEm> <Hix> this was the idea used on model cars http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/index.php?ind=4
[14:48] <fsphil> nosebleedkt: nope
[14:49] <nosebleedkt> oh it reminds me of my launch
[14:49] <nosebleedkt> six days looking 30km away :P
[14:49] <fsphil> this is 80km away
[14:52] <x-f> oh, LL's email on the list actually mentions the 22 km cutdown
[14:54] <x-f> i don't get it - such low ascent rate, burst at 36 km and but a cutdown at 22
[14:54] <x-f> -and
[14:58] <fsphil> yea it's a bit of a waste
[14:58] <daveake> We had a chat about this last night, but he stuck with it despite the advice otherwise
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[15:01] <nosebleedkt> Kevin was just in a hurry to get it back ASAP :D
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[15:01] <nosebleedkt> not wait until 36km
[15:01] <daveake> http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Robot_27d82a_1406029.gif
[15:03] <nosebleedkt> that was a picture i uploaded yesterday
[15:03] <nosebleedkt> almost at 39km
[15:03] <nosebleedkt> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=604842506196464&set=a.531010533579662.138394.259791880701530&type=3&theater
[15:03] <nosebleedkt> no need for fb account to see it
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[15:06] <nosebleedkt> Also, I named my 2nd mission 'Stratonauts'
[15:06] <nosebleedkt> :D
[15:07] <fsphil> by next flight is called BURST
[15:07] <fsphil> by/my
[15:08] <nosebleedkt> ha!
[15:10] <daveake> Yeah we need some more appropriate names. BURST, SPLASH, TREE, PYLON ...
[15:12] <fsphil> PLOP
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[15:20] <gonzo_> OOPS
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[15:22] <UpuWork> my next one is going to be WTFSHEFFIELD
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[16:01] <DrLuke> my first mission will be named BFF-1
[16:01] <DrLuke> :3
[16:03] Nick change: HixWork -> Lunar_Lander
[16:03] <Lunar_Lander> Hello
[16:03] Nick change: Lunar_Lander -> HixWork
[16:04] <fsphil> git
[16:04] <jonsowman> you are a bad person
[16:04] <HixWork> sorry had to do that :)
[16:04] <daveake> damn
[16:04] <jonsowman> tempted to just ban you for that
[16:04] <jonsowman> shocking
[16:04] <HixWork> does it only update me that i changed nick then?
[16:04] <jonsowman> 16:03:50 HixWork is now known as Lunar_Lander
[16:05] <HixWork> ahh, good
[16:05] <LazyLeopard> Everybody Knows
[16:05] <HixWork> then it wasn't thaaat bad :)
[16:05] <HixWork> i thought it would
[16:05] <jonsowman> lol
[16:06] <Laurenceb> maybe Lunar went for a swim
[16:06] <LazyLeopard> Of course, on some networks where nicks are registered and protected, the system might spot an imposter and change their nick to something improbable...
[16:06] <fsphil> strange that the prediction was so different for that last 1km
[16:07] <HixWork> I thought he would have at least been on 3G irc at some point
[16:07] <HixWork> I'm going to test your geofence on a very small scale with a buzzer this weekend fsphil
[16:08] <HixWork> created a polygone that if i drive outside of it should beep
[16:08] <HixWork> oops there was a parrot in there
[16:08] <gonzo_> no there wasn't
[16:09] <HixWork> polygone
[16:09] <HixWork> an ex parrot
[16:09] <daveake> Fly it over Norway
[16:09] <gonzo_> it had gone
[16:09] <gonzo_> gone voom?
[16:15] <arko> morning
[16:16] <fsphil> mornin arko
[16:16] <fsphil> not too early I hope
[16:16] <arko> Nah, 8am
[16:16] <arko> But had to wake up at 6 :(
[16:17] <fsphil> that's never fun
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[16:33] <anerDev> hi guys !
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[16:40] <x-f> hi
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[16:43] <x-f> cute - http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2013/09/image/a/
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[16:47] <eroomde> where are you now arko?
[16:48] <arko> School :(
[16:52] <arko> Im so sleepy
[16:54] <eroomde> lucky you
[16:54] <eroomde> i'm routin
[16:54] <jonsowman> wat r u routin?
[16:54] <eroomde> although i have slowed down a lot in the last 30 mins
[16:54] <eroomde> nosepicking
[16:54] <DrLuke> any news from Lunar?
[16:55] <daveake> nooooooooooooo
[16:55] <DrLuke> :P
[16:55] <mattbrejza> how good is mobile internet in germany?
[16:55] <DrLuke> not very good
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[16:55] <DrLuke> basically you get barely any reception in the city
[16:55] <DrLuke> and none at all once you're 5m out of the city
[16:55] <mattbrejza> well hopefully they have a gps that they can put the final point into if they cant see it on a map
[16:56] <mattbrejza> chasecar was out of the qn then
[16:56] <mattbrejza> app that is
[16:58] <arko> Eroomde you guys have a pcb router?
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[17:01] <fsphil> I'd love one of those
[17:01] <DrLuke> I'd love a 3d printer
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[17:01] <fsphil> and that
[17:01] <DrLuke> print a picotracker case
[17:01] <DrLuke> make it really teeny tiny
[17:02] <arko> We have a nice pcb router at our hackerspace
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[17:02] <arko> Its great for rapid prototyping
[17:04] <DrLuke> envy
[17:04] <mattbrejza> but can you thru hole plate?
[17:04] <arko> Yep!
[17:04] <mattbrejza> oh wow
[17:04] <arko> We have a thru hole plate machine
[17:04] <jonsowman> nice
[17:04] <arko> eroomde saw it
[17:05] <mattbrejza> is it electroplated?
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[17:05] <arko> Yeah
[17:06] <arko> Its a commerical product
[17:08] <eroomde> wha?
[17:08] <eroomde> oh yes
[17:08] <eroomde> i did
[17:08] <eroomde> there was a lot of nice kit there
[17:08] <arko> Good times
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[17:12] <mattbrejza> yea i wouldnt mind one of those
[17:12] <mattbrejza> probably not cheap though
[17:13] <arko> 1k or so
[17:13] <mattbrejza> oh not so bad
[17:13] <arko> I forget
[17:13] <arko> Not 100%
[17:13] <mattbrejza> thats just the plater though
[17:13] <mattbrejza> still need the router
[17:13] <mattbrejza> could always UV expose and etch
[17:13] <mattbrejza> commerical stuff is etched?
[17:14] <arko> Yes
[17:14] <arko> Mills are for prototyping
[17:15] <mattbrejza> printing onto tracing paper and putting in a UV box is not too much more effort
[17:16] <arko> Right, but getting like 4mil traces is a pain
[17:16] <mattbrejza> yea
[17:16] <mattbrejza> what can the router do?
[17:16] <arko> With some pratice ive learned to make 4mil traces
[17:16] <arko> 7mil if you are new
[17:18] <mattbrejza> ah
[17:18] <mattbrejza> 7 mil is still the seeed limit
[17:19] <arko> Yeah
[17:19] <arko> Sparkfun drc asnwell
[17:20] <arko> As well
[17:20] <DrLuke> I've tried the whole UV thing
[17:20] <DrLuke> but I failed
[17:20] <DrLuke> probably because I used a tiny LED array
[17:20] <arko> It takes some practice
[17:20] <DrLuke> not enough power etc
[17:20] <arko> Oh that too haha
[17:20] <DrLuke> and the whole chemical mess I was left with afterwards... eugh
[17:21] <DrLuke> so yeah, I probably should try to buy a proper box with uv tubes
[17:22] <arko> That would help
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[17:36] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] XABEN42 - the answer to life ..... teaser"
[17:37] <daveake> lol
[17:37] <lz1dev> wut
[17:38] <lz1dev> oh i see what he did there
[17:38] <mattbrejza> not wanting to start too much of a camera arguement but the gopro seems to expose the clouds too much
[17:38] Action: lz1dev looks for his pitchfork
[17:43] <eroomde> Randomskk: github came back to me
[17:43] <eroomde> they're very sorry that their stuff didn't fit our needs
[17:43] <mclane> any news from Lunar_Lander? Oernen recovered?
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[17:46] <eroomde> just a small town habber, livin in a lonely world
[17:46] <eroomde> he took the midnight chase car going east
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[17:46] <eroomde> just a physics boy, born and raise in south germany
[17:47] <eroomde> he took the midnight chase car goin anywhere
[17:47] <eroomde> a soldier in a soldering room
[17:47] <eroomde> a smell of flux and cheap fluxfumes
[17:47] <eroomde> for a smile they can share the LED
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[17:48] <eroomde> it goes oernen oernen oerern oernen
[17:48] <eroomde> Don't stop, believing
[17:48] <eroomde> hold on to the feeling
[17:48] <eroomde> ah i give up
[17:48] <daveake> He'll still be hiding, somewhere in the night.
[17:48] <mclane> xD!
[17:49] <daveake> He does have a chase car, right? Not chasing on foot or something?
[17:50] <mclane> poets here!
[17:50] <mclane> probably not - as organized as he seemed to be yesterday night xD
[17:54] <chrisstubbs> haha brilliant. I hope lunar sees this later :P
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> that things happened where my homehub refuses to give out IP's. restart time!
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[17:58] <daveake> eroomde Guess what the radio station has just now put on ...
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[18:01] <eroomde> fate
[18:03] <HixPad> Still no news on xD man?
[18:03] <Upu> negative
[18:05] Action: HixPad wonders if his bike chain came off mid chase
[18:05] <HixPad> Or he forgot to put batteries in the rx
[18:10] <Upu> ping costyn
[18:10] <x-f> i hope he's fine and celebrating
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[18:17] <HixPad> Upu got some random filter network link from you??
[18:18] <HixPad> And in other news. My pcbs finally shipped, woo hoo;)
[18:19] <costyn> Upu: hiya
[18:21] <costyn> Upu: habamp get to you?
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[18:31] <Upu> hey costyn yes and fixed
[18:31] <Upu> wut HixPad ?
[18:31] <costyn> Upu: it was broken?
[18:31] <Upu> yeah amp chip was blown
[18:32] <HixPad> There's a pm with a link to a filter networks PDF but dunno when it was sent. Clueless
[18:32] <Upu> did you connect it backwards ?
[18:32] <Upu> oh 2 days ago HixPad
[18:32] <costyn> Upu: likely :(
[18:32] <Upu> meh
[18:32] <HixPad> Not sure what it's about or for :)
[18:32] <costyn> Upu: let me know what I owe you for fixing it and postage
[18:33] <Upu> your library
[18:33] <HixPad> Ahhh, gotcha sorry.
[18:36] <Upu> right cuddykid
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[18:36] <cuddykid> hey Upu
[18:36] <Upu> whats up with this board you sent me ?
[18:37] <cuddykid> when I power it on - nothing is heard on the radio
[18:37] <cuddykid> I've uploaded the code you sent which works great on the other board
[18:38] <cuddykid> I have a feeling it might be the radio that has packed in - if anything has packed in :S
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[18:43] <Upu> yeah not much coming out of it
[18:43] <Upu> ok leave it with me
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[18:45] <HixPad> What is the best material for my quarter wave payload antenna? Copper wire? What gauge? Going to use the panel mount suggested by upu
[18:45] <Upu> doesn't matter something thin and flexible, hold it in place with straws
[18:46] <HixPad> Radials at 45deg for payload or perpendicular?
[18:46] <Upu> 45' for best performance but 90' works
[18:47] <HixPad> Ok, was thinking of mounting it to a small plate on bottom of payload so I'll go for 45 for best signal
[18:47] <HixPad> To make up for any rf failings on my boards
[18:48] <jonsowman> skin depth for 434MHz in copper?
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[18:48] <jonsowman> maybe half a micron?
[18:48] <nosebleedkt> what happened?
[18:48] <HixPad> .
[18:48] <nosebleedkt> is he alive?
[18:48] <nosebleedkt> did he find it ?
[18:48] <Upu> no one knows
[18:48] <nosebleedkt> lol
[18:48] <Upu> we are all waiting to hear still
[18:49] <Upu> having never actually turned up on here for a launch
[18:49] <cuddykid> thanks Upu :)
[18:49] <Upu> I suspect he isn't aware of the procedure for reporting back here
[18:49] <nosebleedkt> haha
[18:51] <costyn> :)
[18:52] <fsphil> oh man, still nothing?
[18:52] <costyn> XD
[18:54] <HixPad> Are all the congratulations going to
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[18:54] <HixPad> Turn into a ribbing
[18:54] <Upu> the AVR is working cuddykid
[18:54] <cuddykid> excellent
[18:54] <cuddykid> thought that's probably one of the cheaper components :P
[18:55] <Upu> as is the GPS
[18:55] <Upu> <3 Logic Analyser
[18:56] <cuddykid> woo!
[18:56] <cuddykid> yeah - I need to get myself one of those
[18:58] <fsphil> they are lovely stuffs
[18:58] <daveake> indeedy
[18:59] <daveake> A most logical purchase
[18:59] <costyn> also on my wishlist :)
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[19:04] <daveake> wow. same data rates?
[19:06] <fsphil> the real one is well built
[19:06] <daveake> It is
[19:06] <daveake> ditto
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[19:07] <fsphil> the software is good too. even though it's closed, it's still done well
[19:07] <fsphil> just works
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[19:10] <HixPad> So a logic analyser works out where the magic smoke exited stage left then?
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[19:10] <jonsowman> they are unendingly useful
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[19:11] <jonsowman> a scope is great, but for debugging SPI for example, a LA is so much better
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[19:11] <HixPad> Are they involved to use?
[19:11] <jonsowman> not at all
[19:11] <jonsowman> it's free
[19:11] <fsphil> most of the work is just putting on the probes
[19:12] <mclane> does it work in Linux (e.g. using wine)?
[19:12] <HixPad> Hmm ok, for that kind of money it's worth having in the kitbox
[19:12] <fsphil> there's a native linux binary
[19:12] <Elwell> more useful than say a dso nano?
[19:12] <jonsowman> windows, os x and windows
[19:12] <fsphil> which works perfectly in fedora
[19:12] <HixPad> Heh
[19:12] <jonsowman> Elwell: well, scopes and LAs are for different things really, so they're not directly comparable
[19:13] <mclane> ok, I will get one (14$ is under the waf limit)
[19:13] <Elwell> yeah, dropping hints to colleges about a leaving present...
[19:13] <HixPad> I'd like a scope but only because it would make funky shapes I didn't understand
[19:13] <fsphil> haha
[19:13] <daveake> I'd say, for typical micro debugging stuff, it's more useful than a scope
[19:13] <jonsowman> a DSO is on my to-buy list
[19:13] <fsphil> I've a rigol, it's great
[19:13] <daveake> me too
[19:13] <HixPad> And it'd annoy here if I played with it in soap time
[19:14] <jonsowman> mainly because I have access to a scope in the CUSF lab
[19:14] <jonsowman> but they are great
[19:14] <daveake> I have an Owon but it doesn't get used nearly as much
[19:14] <HixPad> There is normally a scope where I work as a general rule
[19:17] <daveake> I work at home; if I don't have it I don't have it
[19:17] <fsphil> I only do software at work, don't get to play with nice gadgets :)
[19:17] <daveake> The word "work" may have been over-used just there
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[19:18] <nosebleedkt> Kevin FOUND IT
[19:18] <cuddykid> good!
[19:18] <cuddykid> #highaltitude can now be closed down
[19:18] <cuddykid> lol
[19:18] <fsphil> right, everyoen out
[19:18] <daveake> woah
[19:18] <fsphil> what's the word nosebleedkt?
[19:19] <daveake> Lights off last one out
[19:19] <nosebleedkt> for what?
[19:19] <fsphil> fill us in :) we want details!
[19:19] <nosebleedkt> he is coming
[19:19] <nosebleedkt> i told him to join
[19:19] <HixPad> Is this news from the LEM
[19:20] Action: lz1dev_ *surfin bird*
[19:20] Nick change: lz1dev_ -> lz1dev
[19:20] <nosebleedkt> ping
[19:21] <nosebleedkt> sorry but i have to do this crap or IRC drops me
[19:21] <nosebleedkt> :P
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[19:21] <daveake> Everyone will remember where they were right now
[19:21] <fsphil> !!
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:21] <daveake> Lunar!
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[19:21] <HixPad> Ha
[19:21] <fsphil> wb Lunar_Lander!
[19:21] <daveake> No longer a HAB virgin!
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> I told you! :D
[19:21] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :D
[19:22] <HixPad> You've been anticipated for most of today
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I can imagine
[19:22] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: congrats are in order, yes?
[19:22] <HixPad> Have a look in the logs :)
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> yeah thank yiu
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> *you
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> will do in a moment
[19:22] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: whee! congrats! :)
[19:22] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:22] <nosebleedkt> ++++++
[19:22] <HixPad> Nice one Lunar_Lander
[19:23] Action: costyn sings "for he's a jolly good fellow"
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[19:23] <nosebleedkt> I brought him back
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[19:23] <HixPad> Though I think you should now be LEM
[19:23] <fsphil> so obvious question Lunar_Lander -- how near was it to that river?
[19:23] <costyn> HixPad: what's that stand for?
[19:23] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, now give us your pictures haha
[19:23] <HixPad> lunar excursion module
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:23] <HixPad> From the Apollo days
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[19:23] <costyn> haha
[19:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:24] <x-f> so how did it go?
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[19:24] <HixPad> Lunar_Lander: Also look on space near
[19:24] <nosebleedkt> storm him with questions huys
[19:24] <HixPad> That's what you get for being late :P
[19:25] <mclane> ok, we are expecting a full report ;-)
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> I just checked spacenear
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> well
[19:25] <HixPad> Within the next 5 mins
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> we began at 8 am here
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> and finished the final things to do
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> including hot gluing on the GPS cap and the battery leads
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> then the payload didn't turn on
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> and that seemed to have been because the battery holder had deformed a bit
[19:25] <Lunar_Lander> but we repaired that
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> and then we tied the payload together and finished a thermal control tube for the temperature sensor
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> just the cardboard from a toilet roll covered in aluminum foil
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> then we took that to the roof and let it initialize
[19:26] <Lunar_Lander> spread out the balloon and filled it
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> until it lifted a bottle of sparkling wine that we found to be a bit heavier even than the calculated neck lift
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> tied it up according to the instructions, wrapped it with duct tape and then let the balloon rise up and released
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> finally
[19:28] <Lunar_Lander> five minutes before the end of the notam window
[19:29] <nosebleedkt> .
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:29] <Lunar_Lander> will continue in a few moments
[19:29] <number10> yea take a breath
[19:29] <costyn> heh
[19:29] <lz1dev> drink some water
[19:29] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, i posted info about your launch in my fb page so people expect some images @
[19:30] <mclane> yea!
[19:30] <Lunar_Lander> yea one moment
[19:30] <HixPad> Drink some koelsch
[19:30] <nosebleedkt> so tell us where it landed and then dropp da f@@ images !
[19:30] <Elwell> from the "what's the point" dept: Why run 3 * 24 port switches when you don't need em? http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-9/Media/wb0oav/IMG_0689.jpg
[19:31] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:31] <HixPad> Yeah Lunar_Lander got lat lon for THE spot?
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> we drove after it and immediately found it
[19:32] <craag> Elwell: Because it looks cool to non-tech people.
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> in the river Weser
[19:32] <craag> *in* the river??
[19:32] <HixPad> Sheisser
[19:32] <costyn> fffffuuuuu
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> 52.4803385,9.0824642
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> the people working there were really helpful
[19:33] <nosebleedkt> I want picture from the river
[19:33] <costyn> gawd
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> they went after it with their boat and got it for us
[19:33] <Lunar_Lander> after that two hams turned up and talked with us as they tracked as well
[19:33] <nosebleedkt> lol whole german ground and it fell on the tiny river
[19:33] <costyn> nosebleedkt: haha
[19:34] <chrisstubbs> congrats Lunar_Lander :)
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> thanks xD
[19:34] <lz1dev> Elwell: mac keyboard, dell mouse toshiba laptop
[19:34] <fsphil> congrats indeed, and what a recovery
[19:34] <lz1dev> wat
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> uploading
[19:34] <fsphil> we where all worried it might have landed in the river
[19:35] <nosebleedkt> yes, Lunar_Lander, i was supposed to work in my office today, instead i was watching a balloon
[19:35] <fsphil> lol
[19:35] <fsphil> yea here too
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:35] <HixPad> From sat images the river looked pretty turbulent around there
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> ah there is some sort of barrage
[19:36] <fsphil> the landing prediction went from a lake, trees to a river
[19:36] <HixPad> Weird formations on banks
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/y/k/d/5yverr-kmosud-tuy9/IMG8402.jpeg
[19:36] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, next time, please don't use cutdown at 22km. PLZ
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:36] <fsphil> smoooooth
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> I'll set it above 100000 ft ;)
[19:36] <HixPad> Seconded
[19:36] <fsphil> yay, straw
[19:36] <nosebleedkt> clean image
[19:37] <nosebleedkt> clean cold atmosphere
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:37] <lz1dev> Lunar_Lander: and please have a value for cutdown next time
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> ah, yea
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> missed that, sorry
[19:38] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander,
[19:38] <nosebleedkt> send us a picture before burst
[19:38] <HixPad> Them dams got smaller after 617 San ;p
[19:38] <HixPad> Sqn
[19:38] <nosebleedkt> did you have cold german clouds below ?
[19:38] <fsphil> looked like a really nice day
[19:38] <nosebleedkt> ye!
[19:39] <costyn> was really nice weather here in NL
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> i hope that he took a clear ground pics
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> yeah no clouds
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> one moment
[19:39] <costyn> monday and tuesday would've been 10x better launch days for us than saturday :(
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> I just uploaded the first airborne photo
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> and then I will do the highest altitude one
[19:39] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, you are slow man, my heartbeat is increasing any time you type and it's not a link
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/6/i/0/5yverr-kmos1f-oa9z/IMG7473.jpeg
[19:39] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[19:39] <fsphil> lol
[19:39] <x-f> lol, nosebleedkt
[19:39] <costyn> nice
[19:40] <x-f> congrats, Lunar_Lander, glad it all went well!
[19:40] <fsphil> it all seems to have been perfect, apart from the splashy landing
[19:41] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, is your upload connection low? or you are ? :p
[19:41] <HixPad> Definitive proof that flights like a wash after
[19:41] <nosebleedkt> slow*
[19:41] <fsphil> calm down nosebleedkt :)
[19:41] <x-f> at least it was fished out for them
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> no I have to search
[19:41] <fsphil> good things come to those who wait
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[19:41] <nosebleedkt> i wait all day
[19:41] <Lunar_Lander> the damn camera focused on the straw mostly
[19:41] <daveake> Any landing you recover is a good landing
[19:41] <daveake> Set to infinity next time
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[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> well I did
[19:42] <HixPad> What a time for irc to shit itself
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, I can't. heartbeat in up
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> I pressed that button with the flower and the mountains
[19:42] <Lunar_Lander> and set it to "mountain mode" and it said "infinity"
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> Troll question: did you expect flowers on 22km?
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> hohohoh
[19:42] <nosebleedkt> :)
[19:42] <HixPad> Heh
[19:43] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, do you know that someone paid me money today and i was looking at your balloon?
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea you told me
[19:44] Action: HixPad might possibly be guilty of that too.
[19:44] <fsphil> I do the landscape mode
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/z/e/s/5yverr-kmosbt-k0n7/IMG8048.jpeg
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:44] <chrisstubbs> ooo very nice :)
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> unfortunately that is the highest altitude photo
[19:45] <fsphil> so, important question. did you enjoy it?
[19:45] <HixPad> What's the straw thing then, I missed something
[19:46] <nosebleedkt> :D
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> that is one of the radials
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> the ground plane
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, yes
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> it was exciting and I really enjoyed it
[19:47] <HixPad> Ahh, in view of cam on purpose?
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> no
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> by accident more or less
[19:48] <HixPad> Ahhhh :P
[19:48] <HixPad> Heh
[19:48] <nosebleedkt> I think camera is focused on that thing.
[19:48] <nosebleedkt> and made the background blur
[19:48] <nosebleedkt> like on portaitrs
[19:49] <nosebleedkt> Kevin, all pictures are focused on that white thing?
[19:49] <costyn> excellent bokeh!
[19:49] <HixPad> Af not disabled Lunar_Lander ?
[19:49] <fsphil> I found the canon a560 often gets the focus wrong even when there isn't something nearby
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[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, no, I just upload a picture from the beginning of the descent that is not focused on the straw
[19:49] <HixPad> Chdk would sort that no?
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> HixPad, I just set the thing to "infinity"
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> oh ok
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> didn't look for that sorry
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/q/b/8/5yverr-kmotja-sobe/IMG8097.jpeg
[19:50] <x-f> that bare straw looks like a parody of all those projects that send some things "to space" and take pictures of them
[19:50] <HixPad> Heh
[19:50] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, that nice man
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> from 15404 m
[19:50] <nosebleedkt> I got a bit scared with the highest peak picture
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, yeah :)
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, yeah me too
[19:51] <nosebleedkt> let me photoshop that pic. make it for VOGUE album cover ;)
[19:51] <costyn> x-f: hehe
[19:51] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: nice view!
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:52] <HixPad> Great day for imaging Lunar_Lander
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> thanks costyn
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:52] <chrisstubbs> This is exciting!
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> OK one moment
[19:53] <fsphil> oh nice shot
[19:53] <HixPad> I was out at lunch on the Thames Effluent thinking it was a perfect imaging day for HAB
[19:53] <eroomde> which bit of effluent were you dining on?
[19:53] <mclane> nice flight, Lunar_Lander - when will be the next one?
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:54] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, do i have your permission to upload your copy of picture?
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah didn't plan that yet, hopefully not that far away :)
[19:54] <craag> It would have been a warmer day for standing around poking SHARP as well!
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, the highest one ir the next one?
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> http://s.gullipics.com/image/6/2/g/5yverr-kmotru-xcyu/IMG8113.jpeg
[19:54] <nosebleedkt> that with the ground
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that is OK
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> have a look at photo 8113
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> can you see the black line and the gap next to the straw?
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> I just checked the GPS coordinates for that time
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> it seems to be Porta Westfalica
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> can you see that there seems to be a town?
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> http://goo.gl/maps/Cw6n9 compare it to this
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> you can see the mountain gap and the river to the south
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think?
[19:57] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, http://imagebin.org/249101
[19:57] <HixPad> Shame about the alt Lunar_Lander you could have POPPED your cherry
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> nosebleedkt, good :)
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[19:59] <nosebleedkt> well i have proposition for everyone here
[19:59] <nosebleedkt> just come here with your mission and starting launcing from greece
[19:59] <nosebleedkt> no notam no control and amazing ground
[20:00] <x-f> sigh.
[20:00] <HixPad> Don't tempt me, kleftico after recovery too :)
[20:00] <eroomde> the plot on the tracker looks really cool
[20:00] <eroomde> have a refresh to see the latest one
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:01] <daveake> only xD ??
[20:01] <HixPad> Hah
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:01] <daveake> better
[20:01] <Lunar_Lander> THANK YOU
[20:01] <chrisstubbs> aha
[20:01] <daveake> Next it'll be Billy Joel and River of Dreams
[20:02] <HixPad> What say ye all to three cheers? Hip hip...
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[20:02] <daveake> HOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
[20:02] <HixPad> Hip hip
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> HORRAY!
[20:02] <Majed> hi you all
[20:02] <HixPad> Hip hip
[20:02] <Majed> been sometime since last time i was here
[20:02] <Willdude123> Spoken to my parents, and they've said no, due to the fact that they'd be liable if it hit an electricity pylon and then sent a power surge somehow through a town which then causes political tensions which causes civil war, in which large nuclear devices are involved.
[20:03] <Majed> Costyn: hi
[20:03] <Majed> Darkside: hi
[20:03] <Willdude123> Slight over-exaggeration.
[20:03] <HixPad> Willdude123: Meteorology is an act of god
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> YAY Thanks
[20:03] <daveake> We all end in the ocean
[20:03] <daveake> We all start in the streams
[20:03] <daveake> We're all carried along
[20:03] <daveake> By the river of dreams
[20:04] <daveake> Sorry got a bit emotional there :[
[20:04] <daveake> :p
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[20:04] <HixPad> Heh
[20:04] <Majed> going to launch my second hab
[20:04] <Majed> just bought 2 Hero 3 cameras
[20:05] <Majed> hihgly excited
[20:05] <HixPad> Ouch, cutdown then ;)
[20:05] <eroomde> Majed: wow
[20:05] <eroomde> that's a hunk of change!
[20:05] <HixPad> For 3D?
[20:06] <Majed> 3D, not realy the idea but good one tho
[20:06] <craag> I'm not sure my eyes could tell distance at 30km up, even with 3D.
[20:06] <HixPad> Gotta be done if you have 2 of them babies, surely a first...
[20:07] <Majed> i now have 2 Hero2 and 2 Hero3
[20:07] <Majed> can do alot with them
[20:07] <Majed> lol
[20:07] <HixPad> Jayzus
[20:07] <daveake> Eyes (and those cameras) will be too close together to get a stereoscopic effect of the ground
[20:07] <eroomde> do you know what the recording time is for high speed video on the 3?
[20:07] <Majed> i know
[20:08] <Majed> have you guys seen my last hab video?
[20:08] <eroomde> not to my knowledge
[20:08] <eroomde> link us up!
[20:08] <HixPad> External power it's the future
[20:08] <eroomde> i've tasted it
[20:09] <Majed> http://youtu.be/pbyU7c_S8A0
[20:09] <HixPad> You've tasted most things going by flickr ;)
[20:09] <HixPad> Though I didn't see a photo of the future in your stream
[20:09] <Majed> eroomde: tested external power for video camera you mean!!!
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> well
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> FINALLY
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:09] <HixPad> I'm sure you'll point me to the pastrami
[20:10] <Majed> i think i mixed up the lines hahahh
[20:10] <eroomde> tasted it :)
[20:10] <Majed> tasted not tested lol
[20:10] <Majed> ok
[20:11] <eroomde> it's a reference to a comecy program in the UK
[20:11] <Upu> hey Lunar HOOOOOOZZZ DA MAN!?
[20:11] <chrisstubbs> Majed, the footage. I'm lovin' it!
[20:11] <Upu> For you http://spacenear.us/tracker/
[20:11] <eroomde> it's the future!... I've tasted it
[20:11] <eroomde> in reference to garlic bread
[20:11] <HixPad> Have I infected you with typo eroomde
[20:12] <Majed> chrisstubbs: thanks
[20:12] <chrisstubbs> those go pros give some amazing quality
[20:13] <HixPad> Speaking of tasting the future. Food time. Lunar_Lander PROST!
[20:13] <HixPad> Bbl
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:15] <nosebleedkt> .
[20:16] <eroomde> http://youtu.be/dz9MJs9qHD4?t=19m57s
[20:16] <nosebleedkt> Lunar_Lander, check www.facebook.com/slaros.project for the anouncement
[20:16] <daveake> right, pizza
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[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> thanks nosebleedkt !
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[20:22] <Upu> lol sending a burger up Majed :)
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> hey Upu !
[20:22] <Upu> Lunar
[20:22] <Upu> hows your day been ?
[20:22] <Lunar_Lander> cool! thanks
[20:23] <Upu> did you get worried when the cut down indication went on and it carried on rising ?
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[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> a bit yea
[20:24] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:24] <Upu> were you following it in the car ?
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:25] <Upu> should have come on here :)
[20:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:26] <Upu> anyway congrats everything worked as expected good testing :)
[20:26] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:26] <Majed> lol Cpu
[20:26] <Majed> i mean Upc
[20:26] <Majed> damn
[20:26] <Majed> Upu
[20:26] <Majed> looool
[20:27] <Upu> great footage though makes a change from cloud round these parts :)
[20:27] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander, http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs/highaltitude.log.20130305 @17:46
[20:27] <Upu> in fact just review the whole days worth Lunar
[20:28] <nosebleedkt> .
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[20:35] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, yeah thanks :) and chrisstubbs
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> XD the song by eroomde
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[20:38] <Upu> I've moved the tracker page back
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> I meant the song in the chatlog :)
[20:39] <Upu> but if you want the congratulations its here : http://www.spacenear.us/tracker/lunar.html
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> that chrisstubbs made me aware of
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[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:44] <staylo> trivia: cliff richard is physically incapable of dancing. In order to achieve those movements he was harried by a small dog throughout the video. (subsequently airbrushed out)
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[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> oh sorry
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> is that really true or a joke?
[20:47] <daveake> It's true
[20:47] <daveake> You can see the dog's shadow
[20:47] <daveake> Hence the name of his band
[20:47] <Upu> is there an IRC emote for face palm ?
[20:47] <NigeyS> err
[20:47] <NigeyS> \o/ ?
[20:49] <zyp> Upu, «*facepalm*»
[20:49] <Upu> that :)
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[20:50] <chrisstubbs> Upu just trying out the interrupt driven transmission code on your site. I keep getting "BACON" instead of "BEACON" :P
[20:50] <Upu> haha
[20:50] <daveake> ecellent
[20:50] <Upu> result
[20:50] <Upu> not sure why
[20:50] <Upu> whats the receiver ?
[20:50] <chrisstubbs> ft817
[20:50] <fsphil> oh, you've improved it chrisstubbs
[20:51] <chrisstubbs> had to tweak the bandwith
[20:51] <chrisstubbs> are the two lines supposed to blur into a great yellow blob on the waterfall at 600 baud?
[20:52] <Upu> yeah increase the bandwidth to 600
[20:52] <Upu> yep
[20:52] <Upu> I don't know if it works at 600
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[20:52] <chrisstubbs> ah there is an auto bandwith button :) perfect
[20:53] <chrisstubbs> seems to be working fine!
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[20:53] <Upu> super
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[20:56] <mclane> fsphil: question with regards to ssdv: if I receive a bad packet all the rest of the packets are bad too
[20:56] <mclane> any idea why?
[20:57] <fsphil> bad in what way?
[20:58] <mclane> bad: ssdv_dec_is_packet != 0
[20:58] <Lunar_Lander> hey OZ1SKY_Brian !
[20:59] <fsphil> mclane: are you using a sliding window?
[20:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi Lunar_Lander, congrats on your flight
[20:59] <mclane> what means sliding window? - I am using the routines from ssdv-master
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks OZ1SKY_Brian
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> we had a splashdown in the end
[21:00] <stilldavid> Lunar_Lander: did you get photos of the recovery?
[21:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> in the river?
[21:00] <fsphil> mclane: the ssdv program expects the packets to be aligned in the file, starting at each 256th byte. this might not be true when receiving from radio
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> no, sorry just the onboard cam
[21:01] <fsphil> *packet starting at each 256th byte
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. you can see someone pulling the payload from the water
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, yes
[21:01] <fsphil> ideally what you want is to test starting at each byte (bytes 0-255), then if that fails test from the next byte (1-256)
[21:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh ok, i did note there was a river close to your landing spot
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, http://s.gullipics.com/image/q/b/8/5yverr-kmotja-sobe/IMG8097.jpeg
[21:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> very nice
[21:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> when you got close to 23000 and the CD was still on, i got abit worryed
[21:03] <mclane> fsphil: so if I loose one byte I will try to get back in sync that way?
[21:03] <Lunar_Lander> yeah me too
[21:04] <fsphil> mclane: yes, basically test the last 256 bytes for a packet after each byte is received
[21:04] <fsphil> until the decoder says it found one
[21:04] <fsphil> this is how it works in dl-fldigi
[21:04] <fsphil> and I should probably make the ssdv command line app do the same thing
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[21:05] <mclane> ok, I will have a look into the source code of dl-fldigi to get some inspiration
[21:06] <craag> hehe congrats daveake on the pi camera!
[21:07] <daveake> oh yeah lol
[21:08] <daveake> I knew it was coming but I didn't know about the competition thing
[21:08] <fsphil> he'll have to step up security at Dave HQ
[21:08] <fsphil> all those Pifans will be after it
[21:08] <daveake> Oh dear yeah :p
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:09] <Lunar_Lander> btw how many screens are there now in your office :)?
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> because I am now at 2
[21:10] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:10] <fsphil> ah man, you've more than em
[21:10] <fsphil> me*
[21:11] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: you realise you have a 100% recovery rate now
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[21:11] <daveake> better than most :)
[21:11] <zyp> I prefer buying good monitors rather than a lot of cheap monitors
[21:11] <fsphil> that's 40% better than me ;)
[21:11] <daveake> LL 6
[21:11] <fsphil> I've a nice iiyama, although it's 16:9 and I'd still prefer 4:3
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[21:11] <fsphil> the picture is very nice though
[21:11] <daveake> only 4 are on the main pc and get used daily
[21:12] <fsphil> I'd need to stack them vertically, no room on the desk for two side by side
[21:12] <zyp> that sounds uncomfortable
[21:13] <fsphil> yea, not gonna bother
[21:13] <fsphil> if I got rid of the telly I could put another on the side
[21:13] <zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/tvvVf.JPG <- I'm pretty happy with my two monitors
[21:13] <fsphil> hah, cute
[21:14] <fsphil> I really like that
[21:14] <fsphil> my desk is too untidy to show
[21:14] <mfa298> fsphil: I'd agree with you on the iiyama monitors. I've even still got my pro 450.
[21:15] Action: Laurenceb_ has dual iiyama monitors
[21:16] <fsphil> they are good. my only issue is the controls, they're touch sensitive buttons and impossible to find in the dark
[21:16] <zyp> what kind of panels are in those iiyama monitors?
[21:16] <Laurenceb_> http://www.misco.co.uk/product/Q256673/Iiyama-P1905S-B-19inch-DVI-LCD-Monitor
[21:17] <mfa298> my one still has push buttons, although the menus can be a bit of a pain
[21:17] <mclane> Lunar_lander: celebrate your success! - good night everybody
[21:17] <daveake> I hate that. Latest monitor I used has changed those for ones that move, however they have black text on black background
[21:17] <fsphil> oooh 4:3
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> thanks mclane !
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> good night mclane
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> think its just regular LCD
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[21:17] <Laurenceb_> not IPS or anything
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, so 4 for regular work
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> what if there is a flight :)?
[21:17] <Laurenceb_> but its 4:3 and has good colour, viewing angle and contrast
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, btw hot glue on the GPS cap worked really well
[21:18] <zyp> both mine are IPS
[21:18] <Upu> yeah work well
[21:18] <fsphil> I do like misco -- not often the cheapest, but very quick
[21:18] <chrisstubbs> Upu sorted myself out with an antenna splitter. you wont like it! http://flic.kr/p/dZTJXk
[21:19] <fsphil> that's probably fine chrisstubbs
[21:19] <chrisstubbs> Better than the one i tried to build. Soldered another SMA onto the habamp. went to screw the connector on only to realise it was RP-sma... doh...
[21:19] <zyp> which is especially important for the one in portrait orientation, because TN panels has horrible viewing angles in vertical direction, and that becomes ten times more annoying when rotated to portrait :p
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> or you could get 4:3 and 5:4 :P
[21:19] <Laurenceb_> s/and/or
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> fsphil, we will find out next time there are multiple balloons flying (and im home to track them)
[21:20] <Upu> haha chrisstubbs
[21:20] <zyp> I don't view 4:3 as an advantage :)
[21:20] <fsphil> I got a splitter too, will be trying to compare the rtl-sdr and the funcube dongle
[21:20] <Upu> will you think of the wave lengths!
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> oh btw
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> the hams that came up after landing
[21:21] <mfa298> a T splitter probably isn't the most ideal method but should work
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> they thought the four GND wires became the antenna after splashdown
[21:21] <Upu> you can get a proper splitter for £14
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> I told him they are soldered to RF_GND
[21:21] <Laurenceb_> http://www.daveakerman.com/?attachment_id=904 lolz
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> but still they thought that
[21:21] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[21:21] <fsphil> mfa298: a "professional" installer used a block connector to split our TV coax a few years ago
[21:21] <Upu> I took that Laurenceb :)
[21:22] <fsphil> Action HAB
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> well our tracking car was different
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> Upu I probably should. but im not going to be using the dual setup often so i will see how this goes for the time being :)
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> the FT-790R was on the back seat with me and my laptop
[21:22] <fsphil> did you have 3G Lunar_Lander?
[21:22] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Circuits-ZFSC-2-4-Co-ax-Power-Splitter-Combiner-200MHz-to-1GHz-/360592787215?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item53f501470f
[21:22] <Upu> £15
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> richard was driving, miriam navigating with the tablet
[21:22] <Lunar_Lander> sadly not fsphil
[21:22] <fsphil> ah, shame
[21:22] <mfa298> although I wonder how many pure recievers are really 50/75R impedance
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> my local HAM club did a write up about a £14 amazon SDR dongle. They loved it however it comes with a funny connector and not sure about the ESD diode
[21:23] <Upu> well I have a spare 75 ohm one here
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> and with me were a water bottle, cups, a coffee thermos flask and cafeteria bags with muffins and rolls
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:23] <Upu> I couldn't see any difference between that and the 50 ohm one
[21:23] <fsphil> funny connector?
[21:23] <Upu> TV
[21:23] <fsphil> oh the belling lee thing
[21:23] <fsphil> horrible horrible plugs
[21:23] <chrisstubbs> http://www.essexham.co.uk/news/realtek-sdr-pc-dongle-for-under-20-pounds.html
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> btw Upu the one guy said he was using an RTL-SDR
[21:24] <Upu> yeah they work
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:24] <fsphil> oh that one has the mini-blee plug
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> usually he hunts sondes
[21:24] <fsphil> those are worse
[21:24] <Upu> ping x-f
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[21:25] <mfa298> I've decided to solve my annoyances with rtl-sdr by ordering a fun cube dongle to use. Now I'll need to sort out an 868Mhz antenna for the next such flight
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[21:26] <fsphil> neat to see the dvb-t signals on the rtl-sdr
[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> BTW
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> at the moment Freddie Mercury sings "We are the champions" out of my PC
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:30] <daveake> fsphil suggested that earlier :)
[21:30] <Lunar_Lander> ah :)
[21:32] <anerDev> hi guys !
[21:33] Action: fsphil scans the nick list for a girl
[21:33] <fsphil> yep, you're right
[21:34] <anerDev> yesterday I recorded a strange sound
[21:34] <fsphil> oh dear
[21:34] <anerDev> at this frequency 435.567 MHz, in a range o 60 km !
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[21:34] <fsphil> oh phew
[21:34] <anerDev> who would like to listen ?
[21:34] <fsphil> yea throw it up on the webs
[21:35] <anerDev> ok, one moment
[21:35] <anerDev> I uploading on dropbox
[21:36] <fsphil> I sometimes hear some rtty-like signals on 402mhz, using three tones. never did identify those
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> me near the landing site http://s.gullipics.com/image/5/m/l/5yverr-kmoyiw-qdev/IMG8611.jpeg
[21:38] <fsphil> Happy_Lander
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[21:38] <daveake> Lunar_Launcher_Lander
[21:38] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: OERNEN-II University of Osnabruck (Germany) launch"
[21:38] <Lunar_Lander> :P
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> whats the object movie?
[21:39] <fsphil> simulated view from the payload I think
[21:40] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:40] <fsphil> doesn't work in firefox
[21:41] <anerDev> 3 min to finish the upload !
[21:41] <craag> It's just a 360 render of the flight path in google earth.
[21:41] <fsphil> ah
[21:43] <Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy_7OeoZCQY
[21:43] <arko> Lunar hows launch?
[21:44] <anerDev> ok guys, this is the sound ! https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mlqmogh1t9h420/strange_sound.wav?m
[21:44] <fsphil> would you do anything differently Lunar_Lander?
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> arko, went well :)!
[21:44] <anerDev> repeat at 00:08 00:39 and 1:09
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> thanks craag
[21:44] <anerDev> have a regular time
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, well yea the payload setup was crappy to be honest
[21:44] <Lunar_Lander> you had to start the camera before doing anything else because of the physical setup
[21:45] <arko> Hey look at that!
[21:45] <arko> Just saw the data
[21:45] <arko> Congrats!
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> and the box was like with too small space for maneuvering the equipment
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[21:45] <arko> Dig the lunar.html page
[21:45] <arko> Hah
[21:46] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:46] <fsphil> not sure anerDev
[21:47] <chrisstubbs> anerDev, what frequency was this on?
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[21:48] <anerDev> about 435.567 MHz
[21:48] <anerDev> in my town Capo d'Orlando there is
[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> arko, http://s.gullipics.com/image/q/b/8/5yverr-kmotja-sobe/IMG8097.jpeg
[21:48] <anerDev> in Cefal? town there is, the distance from my town is 60 km
[21:49] <anerDev> in Milazzo town there is, the distance is 55 km
[21:49] <anerDev> is everywhere
[21:49] <arko> Earth looks mighty thirsty
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:49] <fsphil> that was the last straw
[21:49] <anerDev> and is very strong ! in gqrx is a red very hard
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:50] <chrisstubbs> All i can think of is some kind of plant machinery reporting its status back to "base" eg. water board?
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[21:51] <mfa298> anerDev: what radio mode were you in (AM/FM/USB/LSB etc)
[21:51] <anerDev> usb
[21:51] <anerDev> because i'm seraching the ntx2 frequency
[21:51] <arko> Great work, glad to see you got some nice pics :)
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[21:52] <mfa298> you might find it's something more reckogniseable in a different mode (maybe nfm)
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> thanks arko :)!
[21:53] <mfa298> but as chrisstubbs suggested it sounds like some sort of data transfer.
[21:53] <mfa298> lots of things operate around that frequency, one of the common ones I've come accross are the home weather stations
[21:54] <anerDev> yes, I think is a "clock"
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[21:54] <chrisstubbs> I am still meaning to take a photo of the odd antenna that has been put up on a street lamp in town. not like the normal lighting control antennas on the other lamp posts
[21:54] <anerDev> is every day, every hours, every minute !
[21:55] <chrisstubbs> anerDev, could also be a wireless home energy monitor. they report back the current power level every few seconds
[21:55] <mfa298> the pulse before the data makes me think it's something with a carrier wave, like AM/FM. Most likely NFM
[21:55] <anerDev> but the range is over 120 km !!!!
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:55] <mfa298> could be interesting to see what it sounds like if you set the reciever to nfm
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> when I got my radio someone told me a frequency which is known as "the beeper" or so?
[21:56] <mfa298> how do you know it's over a range of 120km
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> some sort of a russian defense signal?
[21:57] <anerDev> because
[21:57] <anerDev> i went to palermo
[21:57] <chrisstubbs> Interesting one Lunar_Lander. I would love to tune into it some time
[21:57] <anerDev> and there is this signal !
[21:58] <fsphil> Lunar_Lander: the buzzer?
[21:58] <chrisstubbs> UVB-76 as i remember
[21:58] <anerDev> the distance from my town and palermo is about 120 km
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yeah fsphil
[21:58] <fsphil> anerDev: it could be another one of the same device
[21:58] <mfa298> anerDev: I would suspect it's either multiple devices on the same frequency, or something you're taking with you.
[21:58] <fsphil> often overlooked mfa298
[21:59] <anerDev> probaly .. but is in every place !
[21:59] <anerDev> and sicily is very big !
[21:59] <mfa298> if it's one source over that range it's going to be high up (over 1km) and potentially fairly high power.
[22:00] <mfa298> At that frequency the radio signals are pretty much line of sight and with the earths curvature if one end is at ground level the other end is going to be over 1km in the air
[22:01] <mfa298> personally I'd like to hear a recording of it in nfm as it might become decodable
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[22:03] <gpedder> hi, newbie here. I'm planning a HAB project, arduino based, as a way to learn some basic electronics etc.
[22:03] <SpeedEvil> hey
[22:03] <Lunar_Lander> gpedder, no problem
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> even I made it today after five years of work!
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> :D
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> you know you need pastiche permission?
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> launch permission
[22:04] <gpedder> have a couple of questions as i'm slightly overwhealmed at the moment
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea I was too
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> are you in the UK?
[22:05] <gpedder> in Vancouver, Canada. Moved a few years ago from Luton
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> natrium42: is in Canada
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[22:08] <gpedder> say I want to log some data, gps, temp etc to an sd card, is it a good idea to use a real time clock? or can I get away with the time stamp from a gps?
[22:08] <anerDev> Hi gpedder, i'm making an arduino weather ballon
[22:09] <gpedder> hi
[22:09] <anerDev> see this: http://www.anerdev.net/project/assm/
[22:09] <anerDev> or contact me to this email: andrea.germ@gmail.com
[22:10] <anerDev> so, goodnight guys !
[22:10] <anerDev> =D
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[22:10] <gpedder> cool, thanks
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> gpedder: you can, but it risks no output if the gos dies
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> GPS
[22:11] <craag> Yeah I'd suggest an RTC. The gps can occasionally lose lock momentarily, and that might break things.
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[22:11] <SpeedEvil> at least keeping some sort of internal time, even if just rougfh, and elapsed, is good.
[22:13] <gpedder> that's true. I was thinking maybe there's some way of counting in the arduino incase that happens and adding to the last good gps lock time
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> even just a sequence number can be useful
[22:13] <SpeedEvil> the number of the sentence you are transmitting
[22:14] <gpedder> also, i've heard that the time from gps is offset in some way? like no leap seconds
[22:14] <mfa298> presumably you could use a timer based interupt to count seconds since power on which you could use along with gps time (when available) to log data
[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> <fsphil> doesn't work in firefox, doesn't it ? Can you give me some more details ?
[22:14] <gpedder> I really need buy a module and start experimenting
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[22:17] <HixPad> Hey fsphil, Poppas got a brand new bag http://i.imgur.com/nzhsfJk.jpg
[22:21] <Upu> name
[22:22] <gpedder> thanks, i'll be back at some point i'm sure
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[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, btw when scrolling through the chatlog someone asked about the 3.3V arduino
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I was using one all the time :)
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I just have to look who was asking
[22:23] <daveake> me
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> I got a Pro Mega 3.3V at free day 2012
[22:23] <daveake> aha
[22:26] <fsphil> HixPad: that's a big lens!
[22:26] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: the page comes up blank, apart from an adobe flash logo and the little text box
[22:29] <craag> fsphil: The HTML5 version is far more responsive for me in chrome anyway.
[22:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right are you on a non Flash OS iPad or Tablet ?
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[22:29] <Lunar_Lander> I tried HTML5 on Firefox earlier
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> it takes some time to load and it is a bit hard to move around
[22:30] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. you have some loading time
[22:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> HTML5 isn't great for Pano's or Object Movies yet needs WEBGL sorting out
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> thank you very much Geoff-G8DHE
[22:31] <Lunar_Lander> it looks cool!
[22:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flash should work fine but so many different variations of HTML5 at present its a pain to keep track!
[22:31] Action: fsphil doesn't have flash :)
[22:32] <lz1dev> whats flash?
[22:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Your welcome, its as much for my own interest as anythign !
[22:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flash as in Adobe Flash
[22:33] <lz1dev> im j/k :)
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[22:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup I thought so but jumping channels here so replied before engaging brain ;-)
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[22:43] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: couple of hours later - flight predictions (as seen on spacenear tracker) implemented in the HABHUB iOS App! Coming soon.. #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/309071772416868354]
[22:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander tx and antenna worked very well, i could decode it down to -0.5deg elevation.
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[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
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[22:53] <OZ1SKY_Brian> First and last partial decode: $$OERNEN-II,3Ai52:41,52.3820222,8.83047,12961,6,33,E15EU]]e15UU9eQ1EU1U9]e1)A]5
[22:54] <fsphil> didn't hear anything here, silly round earth
[22:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> $,OERNEN-II,511,11:53:28,52.3867463,9>002446,9989,6,0,3,12,-17n7,25980,-53.94,5,5.72lCD*012
[22:55] <mfa298> need that concave earth that appears in the pictures occasionally :p
[22:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fsphil :-)
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> XD
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[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> cool OZ1SKY_Brian
[22:56] <fsphil> the atmosphere was no help!
[22:56] <fsphil> apart from the whole keeping-everyone-alive thing
[22:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i did find that you need to zoom all the way in, to get a correct coverage circle on spacenear.us
[22:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> if you dont, the circle is too small
[22:58] <fsphil> yea it cheats a bit
[23:01] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Help making a music video"
[23:02] <Darkside> oh dear
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[23:03] <SpeedEvil> OZ1SKY_Brian: generating properly georectified 'circles' is a ball-ache
[23:03] <SpeedEvil> at different scales
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> they are really deeply funky shaped egg-like things
[23:04] <fsphil> I cheated in habhound -- plotted it using 200 lines
[23:04] <fsphil> each point calculated to be the right distance
[23:04] <fsphil> for the map projection
[23:05] <OZ1SKY_Brian> SpeedEvil yes you need a globus for it to be correct
[23:07] Nick change: fsphil -> fsanonymous
[23:07] <Randomskk> in theory gmaps api does let you draw polygons
[23:07] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: srtm topology data, and Fresnel zone calculations, you know you want to!
[23:08] <chrisstubbs> you can draw circles in the google API
[23:08] <fsanonymous> a circle isn't what you want in this case
[23:08] <Randomskk> well yes
[23:08] <chrisstubbs> or calcualte the coordinates for the circumference and plot them as lines
[23:08] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
[23:08] <Randomskk> the problem is the circle is wrong
[23:08] Nick change: fsanonymous -> fsphil
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[23:09] <SpeedEvil> scale is a lie too
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[23:13] <Laurenceb_> maybe a polygon is the way forward
[23:14] <Laurenceb_> the proper shape seems rather hard... to say the least
[23:14] <Laurenceb_> copy and paste habhound?
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[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> good night
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> thanks again everyone!
[23:32] <nigelvh> How'd the flight go?
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> ah that went well
[23:32] <nigelvh> Good deal
[23:32] <nigelvh> Have a good evening
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> got the payload from a river with the help of some nearby workers
[23:32] <Lunar_Lander> thanks, you too!
[23:33] <SpeedEvil> Lunar_Lander: congrats!
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[23:33] <Lunar_Lander> good night
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[23:38] <fsphil> right, so who else can we tease for not launching?
[23:38] <nigelvh> An important question
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