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[00:30] <jcoxon> final power up check...
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[00:32] <jcoxon> got time
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[01:00] <jcoxon> phew got a lock
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[05:44] <arko> eroomde: dude drinking in sf is awesome
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[06:55] <arko> eroomde: in tenderloin now.. This place is weird as fuck
[07:07] <Maxell> *yawn*
[07:07] <Maxell> Oh hai guys
[07:08] <craag> mornin
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[07:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> up and ready, someone launch damn it :-)
[07:10] <craag> OZ1SKY_Brian: They will come :)
[07:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[07:10] <craag> blast/sharp have already left for the launch site
[07:10] <Maxell> give me a few hours to wake up :P
[07:10] <Maxell> habenro costyn is still sleeping, I guess
[07:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe sounds good. Yes will do Maxell, i could not sleep anymore
[07:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Maxell should hear you pretty good up here
[07:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the annual dutch ballon hunt is normaly very strong here
[07:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> This one, sure you know it http://www.ballonvossenjacht.nl/
[07:17] <Maxell> :o that looks very intresting
[07:17] <Maxell> I did not knew that
[07:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok, its been going on for years, its a nice event
[07:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> normaly payload is beacon, voice repeater and atv transmitter
[07:21] <costyn> morning all
[07:21] <costyn> I have been awake since 6:30... there's no sleeping late if you have small kids :)
[07:21] <Maxell> yeah, I see the list. Funky thinks with one watt
[07:21] <Maxell> yay kiddos
[07:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning costyn, im waiting :-)
[07:22] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: good good :)
[07:22] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Departing Southampton en route to Dover's Hill for today's 1200 launch... #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/307752706028756992]
[07:24] <costyn> checked all checklists 3x
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[07:32] Nick change: craag -> craag_M0DNY
[07:33] <griffonbot> @SophiEcoWild: RT @ProjectBlast: Departing Southampton en route to Dover's Hill for today's 1200 launch... #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/SophiEcoWild/status/307755541013352448]
[07:40] <Upu> mornimg
[07:40] <costyn> howdy
[07:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning Anthony
[07:40] <x-f> morning
[07:41] <x-f> costyn, good luck with the flight, be more gentle with the camera this time! :)
[07:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> have pava been transmitting all night?=
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[07:46] <jcoxon> morning all
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[07:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> morning james
[07:46] <costyn> x-f: thanks, I will :)
[07:46] <costyn> x-f: i have big tough gloves this time to let it all up gently
[07:46] <costyn> there's a lot less wind too today
[07:47] <jcoxon> there won't be a XABEN launch today
[07:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh :-(
[07:47] <jcoxon> it was never confirmed
[07:47] <costyn> somewhat less of a habonanza today then
[07:48] <jcoxon> still got 3 launches
[07:48] <jcoxon> and i suspect Upu will launch AVA too
[07:48] <jcoxon> he won't be able to resist
[07:49] <costyn> :)
[07:49] <Upu> lol
[07:49] <Upu> need to go buy a new glue gun
[07:49] <Upu> had to break the package open last night to fix some nasty bugs
[07:49] <Upu> anyway afk need to crack on
[07:49] <OZ1SKY_Brian> remind me, is ava pico launch or ?
[07:50] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, yeah it would be
[07:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok nice, they are fun to follow
[07:52] <jcoxon> added a lot more insulation then normal to Pico
[07:53] <jcoxon> in total weighs 36g
[07:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yeah but still small, mine was 500g lol. are there a predict for ava?
[07:54] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, i'll run some
[07:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks, brb
[07:55] <jcoxon> this is for Pico, 48 hour prediction: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/16849_trj001.gif
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[07:58] <jcoxon> and for AVA: http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/14851_trj001.gif
[07:59] <jcoxon> its a tighter curve as its further north
[08:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like both would go abit more south in Norway, thats good for tracking over here, IF...
[08:01] <jcoxon> yeah
[08:01] <jcoxon> thats a big if
[08:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes, we´ll see.
[08:01] <jcoxon> hte one advantage of this flight is that we should be able to track it for a long time over the UK
[08:02] <jcoxon> most of a picos that have floated we've lost contact with
[08:02] <jcoxon> never really found out what happens later in the flight
[08:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes thats correct, lots more trackers there
[08:02] <jcoxon> hopefully get some good data about sunrise and sunset
[08:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> but you still need to wake up the guy in aberdeen, IF (again)
[08:02] <jcoxon> as thats the key time for floating balloons
[08:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> need a tracker at one of the north sea oil rigs
[08:07] <Elwell> Hibby: ^^^ you need to patch rignet
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[08:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> better find something to kill the time with or ill go mutz watching the map untill 10z
[08:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ish
[08:13] <costyn> allright
[08:13] <costyn> off to RevSpace
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[08:34] <jcoxon_> hey all
[08:35] <jcoxon_> my base station is up and running for tracking from london
[08:35] <number10> hi
[08:35] <jcoxon_> can vnc into it if people want
[08:35] <number10> thats cool
[08:35] <jcoxon_> as i'll be travelling
[08:35] <number10> Will try and do the same here
[08:35] <jcoxon_> if anyone wants the address + password get in touch
[08:43] <Upu> are you launching number10 ?
[08:44] <number10> not sure Upu - just trying to get the programming connector on to set it to 400
[08:44] <number10> just incase
[08:44] <Upu> I moved mine
[08:44] <Upu> 434.525
[08:44] <number10> aha 200 was near to someone cant remember which one
[08:45] <Upu> non of them now
[08:45] <Upu> none
[08:45] <number10> maybe I will leave this at 200 then
[08:46] <number10> ah no picotext tomorrow is .198 so too close
[08:46] <number10> i will try reprogram
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[08:48] <Eric_> Morning guys. Any news on the Dutch HAB project planned for today ?
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[08:51] <x-f> Eric_, they're off to their hackspace/launchsite
[08:54] <Eric_> So it looks like a GO. Thanks
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[09:09] <fsphil> morning folks
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[09:12] <daveake> Morning fsphil
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[09:12] <daveake> I need moar radios
[09:17] <costyn> livestream is up
[09:18] <costyn> http://ustre.am/SMza
[09:18] <Upu> morning costyn
[09:18] <Upu> whats predicted burst / ascent/ decent ?
[09:19] <costyn> ascent 5.5 http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c226f3bee134e37ad82a1c7624115a700e892cc9
[09:19] <costyn> err
[09:19] <costyn> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=c226f3bee134e37ad82a1c7624115a700e892cc9
[09:20] <fsphil> stream working well
[09:20] <costyn> livestream may be chooppy. upload isn't great here
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[09:22] <Upu> very smooth actually
[09:23] <Upu> sorting predictor out for you
[09:23] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes stream working great here too
[09:23] <Upu> lots of people aimlessly walking around
[09:23] <fsphil> a proper launch then :)
[09:23] <Upu> and someone blowing up a party ballon
[09:23] <daveake> got the right stream then :)
[09:23] <Upu> you'll need a bigger one than that
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[09:25] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like a pico launch too, the little green one :-)
[09:25] <Dutch-Mill> G'morning
[09:25] <Upu> morning
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[09:28] <fsphil> I hear rtty :)
[09:29] <Upu> decode it via ustream ? :)
[09:31] <fsphil> way ahead of you :)
[09:31] <Upu> haha
[09:32] <fsphil> it's drifting like mad
[09:34] Action: daveake adds "Stream audio over 3G" to list for next Pi flight :)
[09:35] <costyn> well i'm the only one who knows whats tgoing on
[09:35] <Upu> on the map
[09:35] <costyn> have a few helping hands
[09:35] <costyn> :)
[09:35] <costyn> Upu: thx
[09:35] <daveake> :)
[09:35] <number10> but would we hear you slging someone of because the predicted post code was not as you expected daveake ;)
[09:35] <number10> +f
[09:35] <daveake> hah
[09:36] <daveake> I mean Pi --> rtty --> audio 00> 3G stream
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[09:37] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Arrived at the launch site... #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/307786753790574592]
[09:37] <Sarah__> Hey, my name is Sarah , and I am a member of Project Blast that will be launching today. I will be tracking and predicting its course for the team. So if you have any direct qestions I can try to answer them as I can
[09:37] <fsphil> welcome to the channel
[09:38] <Upu> Hi Sarah
[09:38] <fsphil> everything going on schedule so far?
[09:38] <Upu> for the live predictions whats the estimated burst altitude and predicted ascent and decent rates ?
[09:40] <Sarah__> At present we are determining. We are aiming for 5m/s but which would lead to 29.8km burst with as ascent with mass approx descent 4.78km. But we may be adjusting ascent rates or forcing a cut down due to the landing zone etc. I will keep you guys informed
[09:41] <Upu> thanks
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[09:45] <Dutch-Mill> Hi elmar
[09:51] <OZ1SKY_Brian> vandabb
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[09:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hi Sarah__, welcome. I think Blast is the first to have a public relations consultant :-)
[10:01] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hi All
[10:01] <Dutch-Mill> Goedemorgen
[10:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> Morguh Dutch-Mill !
[10:02] <Elwell> why is it there's always one person who stands betwene camera and thing camera is pointing at :-)
[10:02] <Dutch-Mill> Your in the flightpath this time ;-)
[10:03] <Dutch-Mill> S9+
[10:03] <Dutch-Mill> PA3WEG ?
[10:03] <Sarah__> We aim to please, also easier to help you guys when tracking. Thank you for being so welcoming
[10:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> Yes! Unfortunately to little time to join the launch this tine...
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[10:04] <costyn> taking a quick break to wait for my wife & kids
[10:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> good morning
[10:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> Succes costyn !
[10:04] <costyn> Elmar_PD3EM: thanks
[10:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting signal from habanero here
[10:04] <Steffanx> No, it's 11.04 now costyn :P
[10:05] <Steffanx> I even woke up early to see your 'launch'
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[10:05] <Dutch-Mill> Moring PA3WEG @the TU?
[10:05] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> no at home this time
[10:05] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> station over there is not usable, getting ready for the Delfi-N3XT launch
[10:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but the one at work is usable, so I moght go there later
[10:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> might
[10:06] <Dutch-Mill> oke
[10:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> the habanero FCS keeps on failing....im on the edge I guess
[10:07] <Upu> I see a balloon
[10:07] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: you can already hear it
[10:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, very faint
[10:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> not sure where you launch from, but close to voorburg ;)
[10:07] <SpeedEvil> k
[10:08] <Upu> next time costyn I'll give you the batc.tv login details so I don't have to put up with an advert every 30s :)
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[10:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes ive seen the netflix add lots of times now :-)
[10:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> reboot
[10:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> on habanero that is
[10:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can see the radio PLL locking ;)
[10:12] <number10> apologies for NANU apearing on the tracker - if you refresh it will dissapear
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[10:15] <Steffanx> Wouter-[pa3weg], how related to that to the Delfi-N3XT are you?
[10:15] <Maxell> whoop whoop whoop
[10:15] <Steffanx> -to that
[10:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> There is only HABENRO now nothing else
[10:16] <fsphil> there are adverts?
[10:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I designed parts of the radio´s and I´m the ground station maintainer
[10:16] <Steffanx> The "cookie accepteren" page of the project website doesn't work very well :(
[10:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> oh, and the Delfi-N3XT satellite is registered under my callsign
[10:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but so is FUNcube-1
[10:17] <Steffanx> You invented those fancy antennas too?
[10:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> <number10> There is only HABANERO now no other balloons
[10:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> that were teammates
[10:17] <Steffanx> I like em :)
[10:17] <fsphil> that's quite a large balloon
[10:17] <fsphil> 1200g?
[10:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> check out Delfi-C3 then, it is already flying
[10:18] <gonzo__> morning wouter
[10:18] <gonzo__> I'm sure we have met, at AMSAT UK meetings
[10:18] <Steffanx> Oh, i think it was the C3 i had in mind Wouter-[pa3weg]
[10:19] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> does not matter, they are both fancy
[10:20] <Steffanx> :)
[10:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I have been more involved with Delfi-C3 than with N3XT
[10:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but my ¨baby¨ is FUNcube-1
[10:21] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> by the way, only getting faint HABANERO, not HYPERION
[10:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> my home antennas are very limited by the way....:(
[10:22] <number10> Geoff-G8DHE: yes - I removed it from the tracker as was just a test
[10:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK
[10:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> gonzo, that would be almost guaranteed then ;)
[10:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I have attended all of them since we started C3
[10:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> and now FUNcube
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[10:29] <Sarah__> Hey guys, has the Habenero and Hyperion actually launched. I see them moving around on space near us, just trying to get a value. In regards to Blast will keep you poseted as we are changing a few things due to landing zone issues.
[10:30] <fsphil> Sarah__: they're still on the ground but it doesn't look like they are too far away from launching
[10:30] <Elwell> not unless the video is really lagged - looks like theyr;e still filling
[10:30] <Sarah__> Fantastic thank you
[10:30] <Elwell> is the small green balloon important or just to keep child amused?
[10:31] <fsphil> lol, possibly to show the direction of wind before launch
[10:31] <fsphil> or both those things
[10:31] <PE2G> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[10:32] <x-f> Elwell, both i guess :) costyn said, that their are launching close to the building, so there may be some vortex, it's will show that
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[10:33] <fsphil> fill is finished
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[10:33] <fsphil> I got to have a video stream next time
[10:33] <x-f> small balloon is airborne
[10:34] <fsphil> inline chute, nice
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[10:34] <fsphil> ack, stream buffering
[10:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting louder
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[10:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> defo up in the air
[10:35] <x-f> streaming stopped!
[10:35] <Steffanx> Perfect timing :D
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
[10:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> :-(
[10:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still getting bad FCS
[10:35] <fsphil> grrr
[10:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, green
[10:36] <fsphil> quite a cliffhanger
[10:36] <cfw_RevSpace> mmm livestream seems to fail just now
[10:36] <Hix> both up
[10:36] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hyperion: S8, HABANERO S9+20
[10:37] <fsphil> 5m/s
[10:38] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> wow, predictions indicate it might hit my antennas in delft ;)
[10:38] <cfw_RevSpace> Chase team: A4 > A13 > A16 good luck!
[10:38] <fsphil> interesting step in the altitude, for both payloads
[10:39] <Steffanx> Is there some "manual"-ish info for that tracker? I mean a page about what everything you see means
[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hover mouse over rings for details
[10:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> reboot on habanero
[10:40] <x-f> Steffanx, blue circle - 0 deg horizon, green circle - 5 deg above horizon
[10:40] <Steffanx> Ah, i see
[10:41] <x-f> those hovers have never worked for me :/
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[10:42] <Maxell> aww rgith
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[10:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> What about hovering on the payloads ?
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[10:43] <fsphil> you have to click on the payload to get info
[10:43] <fsphil> but it's the same info as on the right hand banner
[10:43] <Elmar_PD3EM> better signal on habareno
[10:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> same here
[10:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> about 6 to 10dB difference at least
[10:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> s53 now
[10:44] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hyperion S8, HABANERO S9+10
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> HABANERO is on 434.250 ?
[10:45] <Elmar_PD3EM> 252
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tks
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[10:46] <x-f> Maxell, how's the HAB tracker station doing?
[10:47] <Elwell> hyperion has a bug in the altitude code?
[10:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I wonder how long my balcony mounted omni will last...;)
[10:47] <Elwell> notches in the ascent graph
[10:47] <jonsowman> Elwell: they're both doing it
[10:47] <jonsowman> although it's more obvious in Hyperion
[10:47] <daveake> yes both
[10:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> reboot of HABANERO
[10:48] <jonsowman> (purely due to the graph x axes ranges)
[10:48] <Elwell> ah yep - I see it now
[10:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> lost hyperion due to my antenna situation at home...
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[10:49] <Maxell> x-f: it's on the map as revspace, and seems to follow quite nicly.
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[10:50] <fsphil> shared code?
[10:50] <costyn> hello everyone
[10:50] <Maxell> The real deal is when it's going east. No visuals there.
[10:50] <Maxell> hay costyn :P
[10:50] <costyn> well into ISH time I see
[10:50] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: it's not rebooting, it's a 'feature' where it resets the radio every 50 strings
[10:51] <costyn> there's something wonky with the RFM, have to power it off
[10:51] <fsphil> good idea
[10:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ok, thats a radio reboot then ;)
[10:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can clearly hear and see the reference oscillator warming up
[10:51] <costyn> it might go fritzy during the flight too, had it running for 8 hours yesterday, had some weird moments where it sounds like rtty but isn't decodable
[10:52] <costyn> but after a while it comes back
[10:52] <jonsowman> keeps it interesting
[10:52] <fsphil> wrong kind of interesting
[10:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Costyn, is there a downlooking camera on it?
[10:53] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: nope, side looking stills and gopro
[10:53] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> OK, just wondering if there is a chance to see my antennas ;)
[10:53] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> they are passing right over the buildings @ TU Delft
[10:53] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: there's a thick layer of clouds
[10:53] <costyn> it was gone within a minute
[10:54] <Hix> that's looking very close to Venlo costyn :D
[10:54] <Elmar_PD3EM> Weather was much better last time ;-)
[10:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> true, but EWI sometimes has more visual because it is tall ;)
[10:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> did not look outside yet
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Climbing nicely http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_1.jpg
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[10:57] <Maxell> Geoff-G8DHE: nice
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[11:00] <PE2G> Is Hyperion rather weak, or is it just me?
[11:00] <LazyLeopard> Is HYPERION transmitting?
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[11:01] <PE2G> Yes on 4.652
[11:01] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, it is much weaker than HABANERO
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[11:02] <Hammercat> Ahoi from Revspace The Hague,NL
[11:02] <LazyLeopard> I'm getting a single solid tone there, but no RTTY.
[11:02] <costyn> Hix: yep :)
[11:02] <Elmar_PD3EM> Hyperion s0, habareno s5
[11:02] <PE7ER> same here, Habanero coming in strong!
[11:02] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> more or less the same here
[11:02] <Hammercat> There is some drifting problems here in the hague, we cant get the sting
[11:02] <costyn> habanero is 25mW, hyperion is 10mW...
[11:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> HABANERO is drifting a lot more than HYPERION by the way...
[11:03] <PE2G> Hyp. freq is slowly drifting upwards
[11:03] <costyn> this explains, no :)
[11:03] <PE7ER> sure makes a diff!
[11:03] <Elmar_PD3EM> I've switched to Hyperion as fewer can decode it
[11:03] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I´m still doing both
[11:03] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: RFM is driftier than NTX and the NTX is very well insulated
[11:04] <Elmar_PD3EM> Just one rig here running at the moment ;-)
[11:04] <costyn> there's a temp probe sitting against the NTX, which is also sent
[11:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but HYPERION will become difficult with the balcony mounted Diamond X50
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[11:04] <craag_M0DNY> anyone fron
[11:04] <craag_M0DNY> anyone from sharp here?
[11:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Costyn, roger
[11:05] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> S1 HYPERION, S9 HABANERO
[11:05] <PE2G> HYP is difficult even with a 7 el. yagi, trying to hang on
[11:05] <Maxell> HYPERION is not that strong, even here.
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[11:06] <LazyLeopard> Ok.
[11:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> considering driving to Delft for tracking
[11:07] <junderwood> dial freq for hyperion anyone?
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[11:08] <Elmar_PD3EM> 434.652.6
[11:08] <junderwood> thanks
[11:09] <Hammercat> Still no enough signal
[11:10] <PE2G> At this altitude, HYP signal is slightly improving, dx 158 km
[11:10] <Maxell> HYPERION shift 390?
[11:10] <PE2G> 399 Hz shift
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[11:10] <PE7ER> got HY @ 400 shift and auto bandwith
[11:11] <Hammercat> Maxell: you lost gps
[11:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> using autoconfig from DL client gives 425 shift
[11:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> and thats working for me
[11:11] <bertrik> not getting good signal at revspace now
[11:11] <Maxell> try habenero its very strong here
[11:12] <Hammercat> mhz please
[11:12] <Hammercat> we lost the signal
[11:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 434.2523 dial
[11:13] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> jump in frequency on haba
[11:13] <bertrik> I think I'll try hyperion
[11:13] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> tiny, but noticeable
[11:14] <Hammercat> we have some radio-jammers
[11:14] <Elmar_PD3EM> too much local QRM for hyperion now...
[11:14] <LazyLeopard> Hearing HABANERO, but error rate's 20% or worse...
[11:15] <Maxell> Hammercat: yeah, p2000. if it transmits the signal is fucked
[11:15] <LazyLeopard> 434.253.5
[11:15] <Hammercat> p2000 in radio as in hello ? or text as #@2424
[11:15] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> the launch site is quite close to a P2000 transmitter
[11:15] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... Probably nearer 50% error...
[11:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> P and C 2000 as in P = Pager and C - call
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[11:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I might be getting back Hyperion
[11:17] <Hammercat> withone is the better to catch
[11:17] <Hix> not even a murmur over the channel...
[11:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> defo HABANERO
[11:17] <PE2G> HYP shift is now 384
[11:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> more power
[11:17] <Upu> Can see both payloads here but can't decode
[11:18] <Maxell> mm
[11:18] <Upu> signal is weak
[11:18] <daveake> Not looked at hyperion yet but I've been able to see habanero for a few minutes no decode
[11:18] <Upu> but I'm below horizon so not a huge surprise
[11:18] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[11:18] <Maxell> from the chasecar: http://i.imgur.com/tCrOhj6.png
[11:19] <Hammercat> Maxell: where are you now
[11:19] <costyn> hyperion's voltage divider is broken
[11:19] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm... 100% error rate now. ;)
[11:20] <LazyLeopard> s/n in single digits
[11:20] <costyn> can someone delete the blue car from the tracker?
[11:20] <junderwood_M0JCU> 22dB here :)
[11:21] <Hammercat> costyn: kan de tu van twenten het signaal niet ontvangen
[11:21] <costyn> the habhub.org mobile tracker doesnt work
[11:21] <costyn> Hammercat: ja
[11:21] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[11:21] Action: LazyLeopard would probably do better with the yagi, but it's not pointable in that direction.
[11:22] <Hammercat> the websdr-twenten doesnt work
[11:22] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> too bad my WebSDR does not work either...
[11:22] <Maxell> Hammercat: uhm... the WebSDR goed max 30 MHz
[11:23] <Steffanx> twenten :)
[11:24] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: ping
[11:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> the whole websdr site is down here, i:l see if ESRAC can point from eindhoven
[11:24] <craag_M0DNY> cm13g09: pong
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[11:25] <craag_M0DNY> cm13g09: The ladder line should be with my brother, I'm trying to wake him up now.
[11:25] <cm13g09> ok
[11:25] <cm13g09> we're looking at Mission control
[11:25] <cm13g09> (AKA tracker)
[11:26] <craag_M0DNY> I just got here.
[11:26] <craag_M0DNY> There's not going to be a live stream. I have the 3G dongle on the 4 foot pvc pipe on top of my car roof and it barely holds a gprs connection.
[11:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> @Costyn, any idea who is lining up to receive hyperion from NL / DL / BE ?
[11:26] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: nope
[11:26] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> otherwise I can drive to delft
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_2.jpg
[11:27] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: don't worry about it
[11:27] <Maxell> we are on it
[11:27] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/ELGIlPJ.png
[11:27] <costyn> we have enough listeners
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[11:27] <Steffanx> Enough is not possible costyn :)
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[11:28] <costyn> Steffanx: :)
[11:28] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: ok, roger that
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[11:30] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> PE7ER, Funcube dongle? Good man! ;)
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[11:31] <PE7ER> @ pa3weg : i like! :)
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[11:31] <Maxell> costyn: is doing the HYPERION... I can't get decodes with my R820T that weak.
[11:32] <Sarah__> Just an update: BLAST is aiming for a launch at 12:30 (subject to hyperion etc) Due to landing zones we are looking at an ascent rate of 3-4m/s, which will definately clarify before launch and a flight time between 2hr40-3hr30. Descent rate is calculated at 4.78m/s. I will keep you all posted
[11:33] <costyn> Sarah__: that's an impressively accurate descent rate :)
[11:33] <daveake> Be careful, 3-4 ==> float territory
[11:33] <x-f> Sarah__, how big is your balloon?
[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_3.jpg
[11:33] <mclane> freq habanero?
[11:34] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: very nice, thanks!
[11:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.254
[11:34] <mclane> thanks
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[11:34] <Sarah__> It is a Hwoyee 1200. I will ask about the size as we speak. Can you define float territory also, I am not quite savvy with the terms as of yet
[11:35] <daveake> If you use too low an ascent rate, the balloon can run out of lift before it gets to the burst altitude
[11:35] <daveake> I don't recall any 1200s floating, but with the 1600 <=4m/s will do it
[11:35] <Upu> ping craag_M0DNY - habrotate not seeing these flights :)
[11:36] <Upu> what dial is the flight around 650 on ?
[11:36] <craag_M0DNY> Upu: :(
[11:36] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 65108
[11:37] <Upu> odd can't see that at all
[11:37] <Upu> the 250 flight is decoding perfectly
[11:37] <daveake> I can't see 650 either
[11:37] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 650 is 10mW, 250 is 25mW
[11:37] <fsphil> there's been reports of the 650 flight being much weaker than it should be
[11:37] <Upu> ah ok
[11:37] <Upu> ok fair enough
[11:37] <daveake> It's 10mW vs 25mW
[11:38] <Sarah__> Thank you daveake: I have spoken to the tam and warned them of this. We have a cut down uplink comms to incase this happens.
[11:38] <Upu> I am using ICOM
[11:38] <daveake> OK you may need that!
[11:38] <fsphil> No signal here
[11:38] <fsphil> shock horror
[11:39] <x-f> uplink has bees range-tested? :)
[11:39] <daveake> I think it will be :p
[11:39] <fsphil> about to be :)
[11:39] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: do you have a predictor path for BLAST?
[11:39] Action: fsphil gets his chase car ready :)
[11:40] <Sarah__> Yes it has, last year SHARP did it and we have done some testing ourselves also. The member on the launch site seems confident with it. I am hoping we wont need it but if we do.
[11:40] <Upu> craag_M0DNY : http://i.imgur.com/x0UuKPL.jpg
[11:40] <GMT> Ping Upu: any news from your launch earlier this week ... the 'europe invader'?
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[11:40] <fsphil> Upu: cute!
[11:40] <Upu> nah GMT
[11:40] <Upu> mia
[11:41] Action: costyn pats his 817... decoding hyperion just fine :)
[11:41] <fsphil> my TV antenna is something like 18-element
[11:41] <fsphil> bigger than I remembered it
[11:41] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I´m getting hyperion back occasionaly here as well
[11:41] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> http://www.pa3weg.nl/images/wouter.jpg --> Out of commission for this flight :(
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[11:42] <GMT> Upu, thanks, that was an extraordinary flight, decoding at 450kms, a PB!
[11:42] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: niiice setup :)
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[11:42] <fsphil> floaters a lot of fun (if intentional)
[11:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 1000m ASL @ TU Delft, two separate stations, 2 omni stations and a webSDR (the first ever satellite signal WebSDR acually...)
[11:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 100m that is ;)
[11:42] <costyn> haha
[11:42] <costyn> I was gonna say
[11:42] <Hix> Upu, is that a qtr wave on the right?
[11:42] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: nice dude
[11:43] <Upu> yep for 868mhz
[11:43] <fsphil> are you getting any qrm Upu?
[11:43] <fsphil> I've not fired up the 869 yet
[11:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> the trouble is that contracters on the roof damaged a lot about 2 years ago
[11:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> and I have been struggling to get my personal stuff replaced
[11:43] <Upu> looks quiet
[11:43] <Hix> are they reasonably good? I'm looking to knock something up on a pole attached to the house
[11:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> like the WebSDR and omni stations
[11:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> that was all my own kit :(
[11:43] <Hix> yagi seemed a ballache what with rotation etc
[11:44] <fsphil> robot yagi is expensive but the best for tracking at a distance
[11:44] <fsphil> or near payloads with faulty antennas and/or high baud rates
[11:45] <Hix> one problem is the valley i live in so directional not that useful tbh
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[11:45] <fsphil> costyn: what's the expected busrt altitude
[11:45] <fsphil> ?
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_4.jpg
[11:46] <Maxell> fsphil: 34KM
[11:47] <costyn> fsphil: 34000
[11:47] <Upu> no issues @ 100 baud but extra power is helping I suspect
[11:47] <fsphil> thanks guys
[11:47] <costyn> Upu: yea :)
[11:48] <Upu> 500km range
[11:48] <costyn> Upu: nice
[11:48] <Maxell> w00t
[11:48] <Upu> can't hear the other one at all btw
[11:48] <GMT> Habanero *just about* audible with me in London.
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[11:51] <costyn> hyperion is giving me rubbish now
[11:51] <fsphil> you might have a faulty antenna/connection there
[11:51] <costyn> strange
[11:52] <costyn> used SMA connectors on both antenna and ntx side, and a sma pigtail in between
[11:52] Action: Maxell is doing habenero just fine with R820T + default dvb-t monopole
[11:52] <costyn> I didn't check the tightness of the nuts though...
[11:53] <costyn> well good thing there's 2 trackers then :)
[11:53] <mattbrejza> bnc ftw
[11:53] <Maxell> mcx :p
[11:53] <daveake> Always tighten your nuts
[11:54] <daveake> Made that mistake on PIE2
[11:54] <Upu_M0UPU> nearly made it with 4 too
[11:54] <daveake> Yup well saved!
[11:54] <GMT> brb ... gotta reboot.
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[11:54] <OZ1SKY_Brian> weak traces starting here
[11:54] <Hix> fear can be very effective at tighening loose nuts
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[11:55] <Maxell> fuuuu $$HYPERION,501,11:55:05,u92,+4.8275,26165,11,6,-31,-4,-6,9.99*3c7
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[11:56] <daveake> yeah mine are all like that ... lots of decoding just no green line yet
[11:56] <Darkside> http://twitter.yfrog.com/z/eschaubwj
[11:56] <Darkside> m day
[11:56] <Darkside> my day*
[11:56] <Darkside> and http://i.imgur.com/EMcKo2J.jpg
[11:56] <daveake> as i say that ....
[11:57] <Upu_M0UPU> many radios
[11:57] <Darkside> only 2
[11:57] <costyn> Darkside: what are you listening to?
[11:57] <Upu_M0UPU> many things with LED's on
[11:57] <Darkside> we were doing some HF experiments
[11:57] <Darkside> testing higher bitrate modes for freedv
[11:58] <Darkside> pushed 2kbit/s through a HF channel
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[11:58] <Darkside> but yeah, only 2 radios there, an Icom IC-7000, and a Codan 2110 manpack
[11:58] <Darkside> and we had a 40m dipole setup
[11:59] <Maxell> PE7ER: how are you still doing good decodes? damn
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[11:59] <costyn> PE7ER: yea seriously
[11:59] <fsphil> hoping to do some outdoor radio stuffs if/when the weather improves
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[12:00] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: PING
[12:00] <PE7ER> seems to be running good today i dunno? i am trying Hananero on 2nd pc at same time
[12:01] <costyn> PE7ER: coool
[12:01] <Upu_M0UPU> I can see HYPERION on the 817 but too weak to decode
[12:01] <fsphil> don't think I'll even see these, unless it gets to 40km :)
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[12:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Now readable in Denmark
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[12:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> got first green decode
[12:03] <bertrik> predictor for habanero shows burst over den bosch, landing at helmond, basically the same as earlier this week
[12:03] <Upu_M0UPU> no flights for months then 3 come at once hey Brian
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[12:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe yeah lovely
[12:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 619.4km distance
[12:04] <Maxell> nice dx
[12:04] <Upu_M0UPU> beating me I'm at 514km
[12:04] <fsphil> sweet!
[12:04] <OZ1SKY_Brian> elevation -0.0deg
[12:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> too much QRM here for hyperion
[12:04] <fsphil> lol
[12:04] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can still see it
[12:04] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: w00t
[12:04] <HixServer> Found the ARRL handbook in my torrent bin, here's a link if anyone wants it. There's a load of radio software included in the file http://tinyurl.com/alsdnza
[12:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I can see HYPERION from here as well but its not decodable
[12:05] <Upu_M0UPU> only via 817
[12:05] <costyn> Hyperion is very finnikcy
[12:05] <costyn> not sure why
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[12:05] <Upu_M0UPU> they aren't splitting up are they ?
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_5.jpg
[12:05] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: no
[12:05] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[12:06] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> using this setup in the middle layer of the apartment block :( http://dl380.pa3weg.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wpid-DSC_0214.jpg
[12:06] <Darkside> oh i know that antenna
[12:06] <costyn> nice... a black new M5 just passed us at 190 while we're doing 160
[12:06] <Darkside> thats a diamond X-something
[12:06] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hyperion weak now
[12:06] <HixServer> he must have been conserving fuel costyn :D
[12:07] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: it's amazing you can hear it at all, most of us have trouble decoding it
[12:07] <costyn> HixServer: :)
[12:07] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> X50
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[12:07] <gonzo_mob> do we have a dial freq for the habs?
[12:08] <Darkside> why the hell is everyone obsessed with dial freq
[12:08] <costyn> gonzo_mob: hyp is at 434.651.93
[12:08] <gonzo_mob> ta
[12:08] <Darkside> its the stated frequency +-a few KHz
[12:08] <costyn> Darkside: lazyness
[12:08] <Darkside> nobodys VFO is going to be *that* accurate
[12:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> Darkside, , +/- lots of drift
[12:08] <gonzo_mob> hehe unless gps locked
[12:08] <Darkside> even still
[12:08] <Darkside> tune up and down a bit
[12:08] <Darkside> its not hard to find it
[12:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> because not everyone understands FSK / RTTY and how the relations are between set freq on the modules and RX freq on USB (or LSB)
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[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Depends on interference levels, not everyone has a nice smooth screen with two tracks!
[12:09] <Darkside> Wouter-[pa3weg]: then they should learn
[12:09] <HixServer> Darkside, I live in a valley and use a yagi so often its good to have a figure, so you can waggle the yagi around to try to get the rtty
[12:09] <Darkside> also get off my lawn
[12:09] <G7OGXCHRIS> sri
[12:09] <Upu_M0UPU> HI CHRIS!!
[12:09] <HixServer> tuning and waggling gets very painful
[12:10] <G7OGXCHRIS> lol
[12:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> chris, it reboots the module every 50 frames
[12:10] <fsphil> G7OGXCHRIS: the radio periodically resets
[12:10] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> getting hyperion back now
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[12:10] <G7OGXCHRIS> ah ok was a very bright small tail of a signal
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[12:11] <gonzo_mob> hmmm. the vnc is too clumsy to drive on the phone.
[12:11] <fsphil> vnc over 3g is a right pain
[12:11] <gonzo_mob> can't tune the radio.
[12:12] <gonzo_mob> will try on the sharp hab later
[12:12] <fsphil> it took me about 15 minutes to login and retune my home radio last time
[12:12] <bertrik> 33km for habanero now
[12:12] <[1]chrisstubbs> using vnc the dial freq really helps
[12:12] <[1]chrisstubbs> can just type it in and send it over CAT
[12:13] <HixServer> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7vuv2bvpd8q8a05/8p6En_kzNX?m
[12:13] <HixServer> my book repository, hellp yourselves
[12:14] <HixServer> -l
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_6.jpg
[12:15] <eroomde> good haul HixServer
[12:16] <HixServer> I'm going to put the ARRL handbook in there eroomde but its 384 and takes an age to sync
[12:16] <HixServer> Mb
[12:16] <eroomde> i have a copy of their handbook
[12:16] <eroomde> it's not bad
[12:16] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: very nice!
[12:16] <GMT> why doesn't my decode window in DL-FLDIGI scroll?
[12:16] <fsphil> Facebook For Grownups? hehe
[12:16] <eroomde> arrl antenna book is good too but i lost that pdf somehow
[12:16] <HixServer> K&R is in that folder people
[12:16] <HixServer> eroomde, keep the link and it will be there at some point
[12:17] <Maxell> not yet bursted
[12:17] <HixServer> help yourself to it
[12:17] <Maxell> uh og
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[12:17] <costyn> w00t
[12:17] <G7OGXCHRIS> reset after #1099 HABANERO
[12:17] <HixServer> oh, btw, eroomde foil arrived
[12:17] <bertrik> habanero now at 35+ km
[12:17] <LazyLeopard> GMT: It sometimes does that. Dunno why. Scroll up then right to the end, and see whether it catches up...
[12:17] <PE2G> Burst
[12:17] <fsphil> ta HixServer
[12:18] <G7OGXCHRIS> yes saw that
[12:18] <LazyLeopard> Yep
[12:18] <LazyLeopard> Down it comes.
[12:18] <HixServer> nps fsphil
[12:18] <Maxell> burst
[12:18] <G7OGXCHRIS> interesting flutuations
[12:18] <costyn> wheee
[12:19] <G7OGXCHRIS> prob in sync with spin
[12:19] <fsphil> chase cars are in a great position
[12:19] <Maxell> :)
[12:19] <GMT> something else tx'ing on.250
[12:19] <costyn> fsphil: tthere's only 1 :)
[12:19] Action: fsphil needs glasses
[12:19] <eroomde> HixServer: grand
[12:19] <G7OGXCHRIS> coming down at fair old lick
[12:20] <G7OGXCHRIS> phil i've just come back from Specsavers!
[12:20] <[1]chrisstubbs> straight over volkel airbase
[12:20] <G7OGXCHRIS> HABDecoder needs some more shift options
[12:21] <[1]chrisstubbs> Heh, if you switch to sat mode the airbase is blurred out
[12:21] <Maxell> 125 km/h
[12:21] <LazyLeopard> Noise level went crazy here...
[12:21] <LazyLeopard> Waterfall blue from end to end
[12:22] <PE7ER> always nice to mark targets by bulling them!
[12:22] <fsphil> right, time to get the rtl-sdr going
[12:22] <PE7ER> blurring*
[12:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> never godt to decode Hyperion, but heard it weak.
[12:22] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Habanero now gone here
[12:22] <costyn> meh lots of traffic lights here
[12:22] <G7OGXCHRIS> nothing from Hyperion here either
[12:22] <GMT> chrisstubbs: look at Volkel on Flash Earth
[12:22] <costyn> slow going through the city
[12:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Would be nice, Tims balloon also landed on military terrain ;)
[12:23] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> lets make that a tradition, they will kill HABing soon then I guess...
[12:23] <Hix> what happend to timzaman?
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[12:24] <fsphil> all that helium went to his head
[12:24] <G7OGXCHRIS> much weaker here now Habanero
[12:24] <costyn> Hix: working on his phd
[12:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> gradiation, job etc I guess
[12:24] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> graduation I meant
[12:24] <Hix> ah ok, his crazy antics are missed :)
[12:24] <costyn> Hix: he was planning a commercial flight, but it didn't happen, so I got this balloonfrom him
[12:24] <costyn> Hix: indeed
[12:25] <Hix> has he HABretired then
[12:25] <PE7ER> HYP signal is better on a chute! or so it seems?
[12:25] <costyn> Hix: yep
[12:25] <Sarah__> Just had word from the BLAST team, starting to inflate but looking at a delay of 12:45-13:00 launch.
[12:25] <Maxell> hehe, doing a small boot. http://i.imgur.com/pEKrVGg.png
[12:25] <costyn> Sarah__: hyperion is on the way down
[12:26] <PE2G> HYP signal is stronger in the descent
[12:26] <Maxell> :o
[12:26] <fsphil> antenna reconnected? :)
[12:27] <bertrik> hearing something here too at 434.54, but too weak to decode reliably
[12:27] <fsphil> sadly I'll probably be out for the Blast launch
[12:27] <Upu_M0UPU> lost it here
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> Lost in hideous static here...
[12:28] <Sarah__> Sorry, just a lot of optimising of landing zones. Thank you though guys for your help though
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> Well, probably some FM nearby...
[12:28] <mattbrejza> one down, three to go
[12:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> too week here
[12:28] <PE7ER> great dx though @ Upu_M0UPU !
[12:28] <LazyLeopard> ...but sounds like static. ;)
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[12:29] <G7OGXCHRIS> #1673 last partial received here Habanero
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[12:31] <PE2G> PE7ER: how does HYP's signal strength compare to HAB"s?
[12:31] <costyn> craaaap
[12:31] <costyn> road block
[12:31] <costyn> divert!
[12:32] <fsphil> ah, uhf/vhf contest today
[12:32] <fsphil> hopefully won't impact 434mhz
[12:32] <PE7ER> HAB is still way stronger
[12:32] <LazyLeopard> That might explain the "static" I heard...
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[12:33] <G7OGXCHRIS> heard some 434 voice earlier
[12:33] <costyn> my driver is putting his police driving training to good use
[12:33] <costyn> omg
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[12:33] <Maxell> scary as fuck
[12:33] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 100km mark just passed for RX distance here...
[12:34] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still on the balcony based X50 ;)
[12:34] <PE7ER> @ costyn : got blue flashing light?
[12:34] <costyn> PE7ER: uhhh no
[12:34] <costyn> although we might see those in our rear-view soon
[12:34] <Maxell> but the magmount antenna seems to hold
[12:34] <PE7ER> lol
[12:34] <hammercat> 100% signal!
[12:34] <costyn> hammercat: nice
[12:34] <hammercat> costyn: is the driver a cop lol
[12:35] <hammercat> 10km,
[12:35] <PE2G> OK, in the final stage I'll switch to HAB then
[12:35] <costyn> hammercat: no, but he had training for his job
[12:35] <bertrik> hm, jump in habanereo
[12:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yup
[12:35] <Elmar_PD3EM> Sometimes you have a green light on your chasecar costyn , not blue ;-)
[12:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> jumping a bit
[12:35] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> it had that on the way up as well
[12:35] <hammercat> we valled a sliptraing
[12:35] <PE2G> Good parachute, BTW
[12:36] <hammercat> green light?
[12:36] <hammercat> *we called it a sliptraining not a copcartraining iguess)
[12:36] <Elmar_PD3EM> when the antenna is behind chasecar on the tracker ;-)
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[12:36] <hammercat> PE2G: from -60m/s to -9.9m/s is nice
[12:36] <PE7ER> getting weaker now and i had to retune on Habanero
[12:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_7.jpg
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[12:37] <Elmar_PD3EM> The HAB signal is better now it's lower... Need another antenna system ;-)
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[12:37] <Maxell> hehe
[12:37] <hammercat> Maxell: paashoefsedijk
[12:38] <Maxell> eveyone is notcing that
[12:38] <hammercat> n272
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[12:38] <Maxell> Elmar_PD3EM: even our hab tracking setup at hackerspace has this problem
[12:39] <Elmar_PD3EM> Have a X50 here but need some beams with elevation. The 50 degr was too much for the X50 ;-)
[12:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> just past the volkel approach route...
[12:39] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> Elmar, same here
[12:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> still decoding HABANERO though...
[12:40] <GMT> On UHF airband, Volkel AB scrambling two F16s looking for intruders
[12:40] <Elmar_PD3EM> here as well
[12:41] <Elmar_PD3EM> GMT: LOL
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[12:41] <cuddykid> I received an email from DM last night at 2am! Must be under some intense workload (probably all the flights!)
[12:41] <bertrik> was that a transmitter reset on habanero?
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[12:41] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, every 50 frames
[12:42] <PE7ER> lost Hyperion now
[12:42] <hammercat> target the walls of gemert
[12:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> SNR getting low here on HABANERO
[12:42] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> just went inaudible...
[12:42] <hammercat> costyn: how fast do you drive
[12:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> OH HELLO, HABANERO coming back
[12:43] <hammercat> i think he crashed into Handel
[12:43] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> maybe the antenna pattern on this end..
[12:44] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn: still on time to see it land again!
[12:44] <bertrik> descent rate is still quite high at -9.2 m/s
[12:44] <bertrik> at 4km
[12:44] <junderwood_M0JCU> lots of trees not too far away
[12:45] <hammercat> shall we give a save your head alarm?
[12:45] <hammercat> target n605 (autoroad)
[12:45] <Hix> oooh, postie arrived
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[12:46] <Hix> I now own a Canon G9
[12:46] <Elmar_PD3EM> s5 signal at 2.4 degr elevation :-)
[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/HABANERO_8.jpg
[12:46] <costyn> omg gonna land on top of us
[12:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Open the windows
[12:47] <PE7ER> lost solid decode on Habanero now
[12:47] <Elmar_PD3EM> put your helmets on!
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[12:47] <hammercat> 2,8 km to go
[12:47] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> funny, the balloon is now almost as werak as it was @ launch
[12:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> only 120km further away ;)
[12:48] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> weak
[12:48] <Hix> costyn, got visual? or too cloudy there?
[12:48] <hammercat> 2.5kmh high!, 6,0m/s fall!
[12:48] <cuddykid> quite fast isn't it
[12:49] <LazyLeopard> Hope it doesn't land on a greenhouse...
[12:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I can still hear the reboot
[12:49] <PE7ER> lost signal now
[12:49] <Maxell> liv stream going on
[12:49] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> last RXd packet 2.7km up, 107.5 km away
[12:50] <Maxell> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[12:51] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> live stream = working fine here
[12:52] <hammercat> 1km
[12:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> live translation: 40 to 500m high cloud base
[12:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> 400 - 500m
[12:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> damn keyboards ;)
[12:52] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> found it..
[12:52] <GMT> they have it in sight
[12:53] <x-f> awesome!
[12:53] <hammercat> Maxell: waar?
[12:53] <Sarah__> Hey guys, I have spoken to the BLAST group. I believe SHARP should be transmitting now
[12:53] <hammercat> pixels
[12:53] <Steffann> Yeah, which pixel he is pointing too? :)
[12:53] <hammercat> where is my chainsaw
[12:53] <GMT> or they're playing 'I Spy ...'
[12:54] <hammercat> take care for the redneckfarmers
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[12:54] <Steffann> redneck farmers in dutchland :D
[12:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> yes, indeed, we will protest if you stop filming :D
[12:54] <PE7ER> nice it is down!
[12:54] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> seatbelts :P
[12:55] <OZ1SKY_Brian> get ready to que the benny hill :-)
[12:55] <x-f> hehe :)
[12:55] <PE7ER> pedal on the metal!
[12:55] <Steffann> A speeding ticket :)
[12:55] <Steffann> *Ha
[12:55] <hammercat> did you saw the lighting, he's got flashed
[12:55] <costyn> 51.5735,+5.6929,
[12:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> good they only have speedcams and no seatbelt cams
[12:56] <Hix> is there a recovery stream?
[12:56] <x-f> Hix, http://www.ustream.tv/channel/costyn
[12:56] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> bottle of wine for the farmer coming along
[12:56] <hammercat> (Y)
[12:56] <Hix> cheers x-f
[12:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> stream working very well
[12:57] <cuddykid> yep
[12:57] <PE2G> My last fix was http://goo.gl/maps/iZ50e at alt. 717 m
[12:58] <cuddykid> bet that woman is wondering what the hell is going on! Team arrive filming and saying "something's landed from the edge of space"
[12:58] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> hahaha, that white thing she says..
[12:58] <PE7ER> dah wit ding?
[12:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> dog atack, run!!
[12:59] <Elwell> ha who just fell over the fence?
[12:59] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> LOL @ Dutch from that area
[12:59] <Steffann> Be happy it didn't land in Groningen or Friesland Wouter-[pa3weg] :P
[12:59] <GMT> Outstanding!!!
[12:59] <cuddykid> nice work
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[13:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice one
[13:00] <Elwell> I take it the normal trick is to have a bottle of wine when you go knocking to get payload back?
[13:00] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ah, I understand now the interest for Delfi-C3 and DFelfi-N3XT seeing that antenna
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[13:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> holy cow
[13:01] <number10_M0MDB> nice cows
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[13:02] <Elwell> end stream
[13:02] <x-f> heh
[13:02] <PE7ER> good job ! nice flight!
[13:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> that was a very nice flight and video coverage inded
[13:02] <NigelMoby> that's a very angry dog...lol
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[13:02] <[1]chrisstubbs> costyn, great flight and recovery!
[13:02] <Gori_> hey costyn did you recover Hyperion ?
[13:02] <x-f> congratulations, RevSpace team!
[13:02] <Gori_> ah, there is my asnwer ;)
[13:03] <Eric_> Congrats and thanks for the livestream !
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[13:03] <hammercat> where is the livestream to home hehe
[13:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and from the pub later lol
[13:03] <PE7ER> so, who's next ;)
[13:04] <hammercat> PE7ER: i heard about some uk ballons, is there some info from?
[13:04] <Sarah__> Project BLAST looks like it is almost ready
[13:04] <Hix> PE7ER:
[13:04] <Hix> 1200 UTC SHARP/BLAST/FIZZLE 434.075/434.650/869.590 Gloucestershire, UK
[13:04] <Hix> 1500 UTC PICO - 434.340 Suffolk, UK
[13:04] <Hix> 1500 UTC AVA - 434.525 West Yorkshire, UK
[13:04] <Hix> Following are provisional flights :
[13:04] <Hix> 1500 UTC ANU - 434.200 UK PROVISIONAL
[13:04] <number10_M0MDB> Upu_M0UPU: if you are there can you change tracker ANU - 434.395
[13:04] <PE7ER> tnx !
[13:04] <Maxell> WE GOT IT!
[13:05] <hammercat> PE7ER: `give is a kick, when the ballon float/lift
[13:05] <Gori_> w00t Maxell
[13:05] <Gori_> where did it land ?
[13:05] <PE7ER> turning dial and antenna here!
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[13:06] <hammercat> Gori_: gemert
[13:06] <Gori_> hammercat: yeah, I can se that, ina field, somebodys garden, roof, tree ?
[13:07] <hammercat> garden!
[13:07] <PE2G> Gori_: http://goo.gl/maps/iZ50e at 717 m.
[13:07] <craag_M0DNY> sharp gonna be a while yet it looks like
[13:07] <Gori_> hammercat: thanks
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[13:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> garden
[13:08] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> meadow actually
[13:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> too bad the UK is shielded from my antenna
[13:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> too many buildings
[13:09] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> will try the arrow antenna on the windowsils
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[13:10] <cuddykid> got my yaesu with me and whip antenna so I'll have a listen in for the UK flights :)
[13:10] <Hix> I need to scoot to maplin to get an SMA-BNC adaptor so I can try the dongle for the suffolk launch, got a chance of picking that up here
[13:10] <hammercat> are there no ethernet-based tuners around UK/NL like the Tu Twenten did?
[13:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> not anymore that can RX HABs
[13:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> I had one
[13:11] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but construction workers on the roof demolished the kit
[13:12] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10_home
[13:12] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> http://www.pa3weg.nl/?id=websdr_desc
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[13:13] <GMT> Hix: take the dongle with you to make sure you get the right connector
[13:13] <costyn> sorry, we were distracted by looking at pics
[13:13] <costyn> we have video from the goproi too
[13:13] <Gori_> costyn: pics are ok ?
[13:13] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> with good reason!
[13:13] <costyn> Gori_: yea!
[13:13] <costyn> very cloudy though
[13:14] <Gori_> cool, if you pring them tuesday to revspace, Ill have my colleagure attempt to assemble us a 3d map of the area
[13:14] <costyn> Gori_: sure
[13:14] <Gori_> s/pring/bring/
[13:14] <costyn> Gori_: gonna be tough, not many features
[13:14] <Gori_> well, we can try...
[13:14] <Upu_M0UPU> done number10
[13:14] <Hix> GMT, it's all good, i know the one, i have one but its ~100 miles away :/
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[13:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn congratulations for a perfect flight and fantastic good video coverage.
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[13:15] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: thanks
[13:15] <Gori_> costyn: congrats on the flight, btw, it was lots of fun to lanuch
[13:15] <GMT> Hix: good to hear they arrived so soon
[13:15] <costyn> did you guys see it coming down on the livestream?
[13:15] <Hix> nice flights costyn
[13:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> costyn no it was too low res. to see
[13:15] <hammercat> white pixel vs white clouds
[13:15] <Hix> GMT, yeah impressed with cosycave, good customer service
[13:15] <Elmar_PD3EM> Congrats costyn ! Great flight and recovery!
[13:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> likewise, thanks costyn for sharing allof this!
[13:16] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> live video was fun
[13:17] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: Sorry, can't really fix habrotate easily with this internet.
[13:17] <Upu_M0UPU> no worries
[13:17] <Hix> I'm impressed with the quality of the stream considering it's 3G
[13:17] <Upu_M0UPU> I can do it manually today
[13:17] <craag_M0DNY> Probably too many flights again
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> 6
[13:18] <Maxell> didn't check for wifi there
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> so whats sit rep with Sharp ?
[13:18] <Elwell> costyn: what hardware were you using for ustream?
[13:18] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: There were issues with telemetry, but it seems to be working now.
[13:18] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[13:19] <GMT> Next flight from NL should be a 'shape' rather than a simple box - maybe an Edam cheese shape, or a windmill?
[13:19] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: good good :)
[13:19] <costyn> Elwell: iphone 4s
[13:19] <costyn> launch video was ok right?
[13:19] <Elwell> yeah perfectly
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[13:19] <costyn> rememberd at the last moment that someone should turn the camera up :)
[13:19] <Sarah__> At the moment they(SHARP) are inflated and they are resoldering something on at the platform. I am awaiting contact from the launch team.
[13:19] <Upu_M0UPU> resoldering :)
[13:20] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> couple of dropouts, but in general it was OK
[13:20] <costyn> lol @ resoldering
[13:20] <NigelMoby> always a good sign...
[13:20] <cuddykid> ha
[13:21] <Elmar_PD3EM> GMT maybe this balloon ;-) http://www.deballonnensite.nl/koe-heliumballon-bezorgen
[13:22] <GMT> Elmar: not the balloon itself, but the package under it ... we had a old Police phone-box during the week!
[13:23] <danielsaul> I'm told launch in about 10/15 mins and apparently there were problems with the cutdown
[13:23] <Maxell> Burst got filmed.
[13:23] <Maxell> so many pieces
[13:23] <Elmar_PD3EM> great!
[13:23] <costyn> really cool
[13:23] <costyn> I'm so happy
[13:24] <Elmar_PD3EM> costyn: can imagine! Great day!
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[13:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK usual Object Movie of flight path for HABANERO HTML5 version http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/output/HABANERO_1.html and Flash version http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/HABANERO/output/HABANERO.html
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[13:30] <craag_M0DNY> Is fizzle uploading?
[13:31] <mattbrejza> nope
[13:31] <craag_M0DNY> :(
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[13:31] <craag_M0DNY> grr internet
[13:32] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - 2/3 March - Hyperion/Habanero from
[13:33] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: thanks for this!
[13:33] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: really nice, gives a good impression of the flight path
[13:33] <Sarah__> Sorry guys, Launch team had to restart SHARP. I am very sorry for the delays thank you for being patient
[13:34] <GMT> that's okay, it's v.good having you relaying info to us
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[13:34] <costyn> Sarah__: it's your flight :)
[13:34] <jcoxon> afternoon all
[13:34] <Upu_M0UPU> hey jcoxon
[13:35] <costyn> howdy
[13:35] <Upu_M0UPU> still launching ?
[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> <costyn>No problem, I'll do a Pano from Burst location later, need to focus on the next launch now :-) and find some lunch !
[13:35] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: yea we're on our way to get lunch too
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[13:36] <Sarah__> We are still launching, just a few minor tweeks etc. :)
[13:36] <Laurenceb__> <lowerstoford> They used the USAirForce Long Range comms system to uplink and reboot windows 8
[13:37] <Laurenceb__> ^obvious troll
[13:37] <PE7ER> some ' resoldering' ;)
[13:37] Action: Wouter-[pa3weg] AFK
[13:37] <lowerstoford> Umm No im not Laurenceb
[13:39] <lowerstoford> As we discovered last night whilst testing my GPS, I live in a lead house, not under a bridge!
[13:39] <Laurenceb__> wtf
[13:39] <Sarah__> Uh huh resoldering, rebootinng. We like to make doubley sure you see. Should be soon, from what I have been told they are attatching all the relevant components
[13:39] <Laurenceb__> i dont believe you
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[13:39] <Laurenceb__> no-one would be that mad
[13:39] <jcoxon> Laurenceb__, stop trolling
[13:40] <Laurenceb__> they will be running something sane like vxworks
[13:40] <cuddykid> is this for spacex?
[13:40] <Laurenceb__> yes
[13:40] <lowerstoford> I was on here last night getting some advice from a few guys.
[13:40] <lowerstoford> I am builting my tracker
[13:41] <lowerstoford> I was talking UPU and JCOXON
[13:41] <Upu_M0UPU> he was
[13:41] <Upu_M0UPU> anyway
[13:41] <jcoxon> moving on
[13:41] <Upu_M0UPU> sssh Laurenceb
[13:42] <Upu_M0UPU> Is Steve launching one jcoxon ?
[13:42] <cuddykid> thought you were ssh'ing into Laurenceb for a moment
[13:42] <jcoxon> no
[13:42] <jcoxon> not today
[13:42] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[13:42] <costyn> :)
[13:42] <Upu_M0UPU> number10 we are picoing it up around 3pm ish
[13:44] <Hix> suffolk launch binned?
[13:45] <jcoxon> hix, nope
[13:45] <jcoxon> still going ahead
[13:45] <Hix> ah good. Was going to scrap the journey to buy the BNC adaptor, but now i guess I'm off. biab
[13:47] <craag_M0DNY> dlfldigi just keeps timing out on the upload :(
[13:47] <jcoxon> craag_M0DNY, what os?
[13:47] <Upu_M0UPU> odd
[13:47] <Upu_M0UPU> restarted it ?
[13:48] <craag_M0DNY> windows, restarted many times
[13:48] <jcoxon> we did change things a little regarding timeouts as that was causing the crashes in mac os x
[13:48] <craag_M0DNY> just awful awful internet
[13:48] <jcoxon> so the timeouts are perhaps a bit tighter
[13:48] <Upu_M0UPU> paste a string here I'll upload it manually for you
[13:48] <Darkside> jcoxon: that problem wasnt just in OSX
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[13:48] <jcoxon> no i know
[13:48] <mattbrejza> that thing txs at 1Hz, have fun Upu_M0UPU
[13:48] <Darkside> it was when it tried to upload data on clisong
[13:48] <Darkside> closing
[13:48] <Darkside> where it just wouldn't close
[13:49] <jcoxon> oh there was another bug as well
[13:49] <Upu_M0UPU> well gets it on the map mattbrejza
[13:49] <jcoxon> but the same solution i think
[13:49] <mattbrejza> heh
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[13:50] <craag_M0DNY> $$FIZZLE,6101,134943,5205435,-180228,231,1,0,190,8,F,287,23,36,-113*F7D9
[13:50] <Upu_M0UPU> done
[13:50] <craag_M0DNY> thanks
[13:50] <craag_M0DNY> hopefully better internet on the move
[13:50] <mattbrejza> wait its working by itself now?
[13:50] <craag_M0DNY> mattbrejza: it is :D
[13:51] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah I think it did
[13:51] <mattbrejza> lol it has a bit of a backlog
[13:51] <Upu_M0UPU> your flight isn't on habrotate either :)
[13:52] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: Sorry about that. I really need to redo the sorting code, again.
[13:52] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah its ok
[13:52] <mattbrejza> hopefully i should be able to pick up this flight from inside to test my radio
[13:52] <mattbrejza> we have a 7dB whip for tomorrow
[13:52] <Upu_M0UPU> I blame lunar his flight has been on there for 2 weeks
[13:53] <craag_M0DNY> sharp is almost ready, but was just in a reboot loop..
[13:53] <mattbrejza> not quite turn on and go?
[13:56] <Sarah__> Not quite. More of a systems checker. Fizzle is working, which is our tracker for Sharp. The parachute is attatched the balloon, Sharp has rebooted just running checks. I am waiting for the team to say when they are about to let go at present.
[13:57] <Darkside> craag_M0DNY: is 2.87v normal?
[13:57] <craag_M0DNY> Erm, fizzle is mine.
[13:57] <craag_M0DNY> Darkside: yes, 2xAAA
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[13:57] <Darkside> craag_M0DNY: ahh ok
[13:58] <Upu_M0UPU> niether Sharp or Blaste are on the map or uploading
[13:58] <Darkside> just seems a little low for fresh batteries
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[13:58] <Darkside> usually i expect those to have 1.7-1.8v/cell
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[13:58] <Sarah__> I am confused. When I asked Blast they said it was theirs. But if it is yours I apologise. Confusion I think.
[13:58] <Elwell> craag_M0DNY: (re habrotate "Thanks to Daniel Richman for the earthmaths.py code that performs most of the tricky bearing/distance calculations." -- have you also seen pyephem? tis useful for those kinda things too
[13:58] <lowerstoford> Laurenceb__et all: Im just a SpaceX Fan that had a few beers last night. Discussion got on to Dragon and I slightly twisted the status updates as Elon Musk was tweeting them. I got some great help on here last night, my tracker is progressing well. Thanks to all. Good luck with this afternoons flights.
[13:58] <craag_M0DNY> Sarah__: No worries, it's on the same bit of string :)
[13:59] <Darkside> craag_M0DNY: doing an uplink on this one? i see the RSSI reporting
[13:59] <Sarah__> That makes sense.
[13:59] <craag_M0DNY> Darkside: 2.87 is a good 6 hours left. The most I've got is 2.9. I'm drawing a lot of current.
[13:59] <Darkside> ahh ok
[13:59] <Darkside> use AAs :-)
[14:00] <craag_M0DNY> Darkside: Nope, but it's 869MHz, so it listens to the channel first. You have to either listen-before-talk, or 10% duty cycle for 869.
[14:00] <Darkside> ooooooh
[14:00] <Darkside> this is that payload!
[14:00] <Darkside> so the only payload thats transmitting now is a brand new, never-before-flown 868MHz payload
[14:01] <Darkside> maybe i'll stay up
[14:01] <mattbrejza> theres the .net payload too :P
[14:01] <Darkside> mattbrejza: it's not on the map yet
[14:02] <mattbrejza> well they have to do pre flight tests...
[14:02] <[1]chrisstubbs> im looking forward to seeing the .net payload. Is that alpha or sharp?
[14:02] <craag_M0DNY> Found why sharp/alpha not uploading, dl-fldigi was 3.21.39.
[14:02] <Darkside> derp
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[14:02] <mfa298> [1]chrisstubbs: sharp should be the .net payload, when it's not rebooting :p
[14:02] <Darkside> craag_M0DNY: what modulation is the 869mhz payload doing? still just RTTY?
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[14:03] <Darkside> and what pwoer?
[14:03] <mattbrejza> rtty 100mW i think
[14:03] <Darkside> cool
[14:04] <craag_M0DNY> Yeah, 600 baud rtty at 100mw.
[14:04] <Darkside> powah!
[14:04] <Darkside> hopefully it all works
[14:04] <GMT> what baud and shift for SHARP?
[14:05] <Rob_m0dts> I'm all set for 869MHz here up north... hope it works :-)
[14:06] <Upu_M0UPU> me too
[14:06] <mfa298> GMT: I think sharp is 50bd, not sure what shift though
[14:06] <GMT> okay, I will ask their PR person ...
[14:06] <Sarah__> I will liase with the team
[14:09] <craag_M0DNY> sharp shift is 370
[14:09] <craag_M0DNY> currently reprogramming the sharp board...
[14:10] <craag_M0DNY> is alpha uploading?
[14:10] <S_Mark> yes
[14:10] <craag_M0DNY> is fizzle still?
[14:11] <S_Mark> yes
[14:11] <craag_M0DNY> thanks, can't load the map here
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[14:11] <mfa298> craag_M0DNY: last fizzle data looks to be 13:54:54
[14:12] <craag_M0DNY> mfa298: oh
[14:13] <craag_M0DNY> how about now?
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[14:13] <mfa298> craag_M0DNY: I think m0sot still has his home lat/long in dl-fldigi, looks like he's picking up alpha from soton.
[14:13] <mfa298> craag_M0DNY: 13:56:11
[14:13] <mfa298> is a clock out somewhere ?
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[14:14] <craag_M0DNY> mfa298: nope, i think it's just taking a while to upload the backlog
[14:14] <craag_M0DNY> the internet is worse than it was in the craag1 tree site.
[14:15] <LazyLeopard> What frequency's Alpha on? It's not mentioned on the banner
[14:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Out of SHARP/FIZZLE/BLAST which is ALPHA ?
[14:16] <sp5ela> Out of SHARP/FIZZLE/BLAST which is ALPHA ?
[14:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Must be BLAST by elimination ....
[14:16] <danielsaul> alpha is 075 i believe
[14:16] <LazyLeopard> Cheers
[14:17] <mfa298> I think SHARP==BLAST (different names for different projects but the same hardware)
[14:17] Action: LazyLeopard suspect the person who put names in the banner was well confused... ;)
[14:18] <craag_M0DNY> we have SHARP, ALPHA and FIZZLE
[14:18] <craag_M0DNY> blast is the phone, which is not transmitting
[14:18] <craag_M0DNY> Main tracker will be ALPHA
[14:18] <GMT> yup, bit of confusion in the emails and docs ... SHARP is the name for the whole project and the packages are Alpha, Blast and Fizzle (I think...)
[14:19] <GMT> see, I knew I'd get it wrong!
[14:19] <craag_M0DNY> dial freq: 434.070.115
[14:19] <Sarah__> SHARP is last years platform, BLAST is the project using SHARP as a platform to test at high altitude.
[14:19] Action: LazyLeopard suspects the project's secretly called "Confusion" ;)
[14:20] <GMT> if the prediction is good, it will land not too far from me, so I may 'go chase'
[14:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> So ALPHA is on 434.075 , SHARP is on 868.590 so what is using 434.650 ?
[14:20] <mfa298> LazyLeopard: with the .NET bit I think it's more "fingers crossed" or "hope and pray"
[14:21] <mfa298> Geoff-G8DHE: SHARP is 434.650 and Fizzle is on 868
[14:21] <junderwood_M0JCU> .NET is windoze isn't it? Plug and pray
[14:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> <nfa298> Tks
[14:22] <craag_M0DNY> SHARP is not transmitting.
[14:22] <craag_M0DNY> ALPHA on 434.070 and FIZZLE on 869.592 are the trackers
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[14:22] <[1]chrisstubbs> junderwood_M0JCU, .NET gadgeteer i presume. Probbably a FEZ Spider mainboard
[14:22] <craag_M0DNY> launch isn the nest 5-ish minutes
[14:23] <Upu_M0UPU> I'm filled
[14:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> So only TWO packages for tracking ALPHA and FIZZLE !
[14:23] <craag_M0DNY> ALPHA appears to have a weird problem with lack of $$s
[14:24] <craag_M0DNY> But that might be our rx.
[14:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> Hmm. One package for tracking.
[14:24] <mattbrejza> is the squeltch off?
[14:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> Lets hope it doesn't fizzle out as well
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[14:25] <sp5ela> siema
[14:25] <mfa298> this is sounding like we're relying on the new 868 payload for tracking
[14:27] <craag_M0DNY> mmattit's continuous tx, so shouldn't be an issue.
[14:27] <craag_M0DNY> launch imminent
[14:28] <craag_M0DNY> $$s appears to be a rx overload issue.
[14:28] <craag_M0DNY> so should be fine in flight
[14:30] <danielsaul> Alpha was perfect when it was Apex so if its broken, blame Andrew's modifications :P
[14:30] <LazyLeopard> heh
[14:31] <LazyLeopard> Should have been called Igor, if it's made of bits of other progects...
[14:31] <LazyLeopard> projects, even
[14:32] Action: LazyLeopard looks at Pico too... Wonder which one will be in range first...
[14:32] <GMT> L-L: haha!
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[14:35] <Upu_M0UPU> going to launch
[14:35] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Great!
[14:36] <[1]chrisstubbs> good luck Upu_M0UPU
[14:37] <craag_M0DNY> umming and arring over predictions
[14:38] <GMT> well, you got a little over 2 hours to sunset ...
[14:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> I predict it will be dark before you launch
[14:38] <mattbrejza> id say they had 3
[14:39] <GMT> sunset at 5.42pm, plus about 20-30 mins of twilight
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[14:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Pava is ^
[14:39] <GMT> maths was never my strong point!
[14:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no wait
[14:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its in a car?, no one can walk that fast, not even Anthony :-)
[14:44] <S_Mark> Alpha going or no?
[14:45] <Sarah__> Hello Guys, I have to inform SHARP will not be flying. This is due to time and not confident with landing zones. However I believe that the two other trackers may be flying since we have the Balloon inflated
[14:46] <Sarah__> I apologise for those who waited, and I will keep you guys informed with the other 2 trackers
[14:46] <craag_M0DNY> fast fast ascent rate :P
[14:46] <Sarah__> Super fast I believe ascent I believe
[14:46] <LazyLeopard> Sounds like it...
[14:46] <LazyLeopard> ...with one fewer payload to lift.
[14:47] <[1]chrisstubbs> looks like PAVA is off!
[14:47] <mfa298> sounds like you might need to add some ballast
[14:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like PAVA is up and away now...
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[14:47] <pjm> Hi all, is there an 868MHz payload?
[14:47] <OZ1SKY_Brian> looks like it want to go back home
[14:48] <craag_M0DNY> launch now properly immenent
[14:48] <S_Mark> craag - 434.075 main tracker?
[14:48] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.070 last time he gave a frequency
[14:48] <chrisstubbs> pjm FIZZLE=869.590
[14:48] <S_Mark> ok
[14:49] <pjm> chrisstubbs: tnx
[14:50] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon how is suffolk pico status?
[14:53] <pjm> also, what will the 869MHz data link be? the normal AFSK telem?
[14:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> Wow. Alpha is in the air!
[14:53] <craag_M0DNY> up
[14:54] <craag_M0DNY> fizzle uploading?
[14:55] <junderwood_M0JCU> nothing since 14:15 for fizzle
[14:55] <Upu_M0UPU> yo
[14:55] <craag_M0DNY> is aplha upoloadong?
[14:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> yes
[14:56] <craag_M0DNY> ascent rate?
[14:56] <chrisstubbs> alpha 5.9 ascent
[14:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> what was the dial (sorry Darkside) for fizzle?
[14:56] <mfa298> I think the fizzle data has been updating but its a long way behind
[14:56] <Rob_m0dts> Upu_M0UPU: I could detect signal on launch site at ground level :-)
[14:56] <Upu_M0UPU> haha
[14:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> I have static on 869.59
[14:57] <junderwood_M0JCU> solid signal on Alpha
[14:57] <Upu_M0UPU> very windy launch
[14:57] <S_Mark> 7n2 alpha?
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[14:58] <LazyLeopard> 8n2@50 shift 410
[14:59] <craag_M0DNY> what's alphas ascent rate now? still 5.9?
[14:59] <cm13g09> yeah
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[14:59] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: it's a very windy launch
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[15:00] <craag_M0DNY> windy?
[15:00] <craag_M0DNY> not here
[15:00] <Upu_M0UPU> dial on Alpha ?
[15:00] <cm13g09> well
[15:00] <cm13g09> the tracking is all over the place
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[15:01] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu_M0UPU, 434.070
[15:01] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: looks like it's headed for Hemel Hempstead
[15:01] <Upu_M0UPU> I see it
[15:02] <cm13g09> based on prediction
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[15:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA Just appeared on the waterfall
[15:06] <Upu_M0UPU> the restart every 50 lines is intentional btw
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[15:06] <Upu_M0UPU> right craag_M0DNY
[15:06] <Upu_M0UPU> whats your dial on Fizzle ?
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[15:07] <Hix> Jesus, remembered why I never go near shops anymore, especially on saturdays
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[15:09] <GMT> Hix: terrible around my way too!
[15:09] <costyn> Hix: haha
[15:09] <jcoxon> pico is up
[15:09] <Hix> the worst of it was I had to go to Maplin, never an experience to be savoured
[15:09] <NigeyS> still headed north west james ?
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[15:10] <Rob_m0dts> i think i have Fizz... just configuring software
[15:11] <Upu_M0UPU> what dial ?
[15:11] <Hix> jcoxon: that wasn'y very ISH
[15:12] <Rob_m0dts> i need to cal sdr first as it's well off what it should be....stby vy strong signal.
[15:12] <Upu_M0UPU> maybe below my horizon as I can't see it
[15:13] <chrisstubbs> ARGH no wonder i have been getting nothing all day, had front antenna selected
[15:13] <costyn> chrisstubbs: that sucks :(
[15:14] <g6uim> good signal here from Alpha
[15:14] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> what is pico doing?
[15:15] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> waiting for alpha to appear...
[15:15] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADms_0dCKvI
[15:15] <Rob_m0dts> upu: 869.500 according to me but not 100% sure
[15:15] <costyn> Wouter-[pa3weg]: you should come visit RevSpace some time
[15:15] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[15:16] <Rob_m0dts> i have 3meter dish pointing at it...may help ;-)
[15:16] <costyn> home
[15:17] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[15:17] <Upu_M0UPU> yes
[15:17] <Upu_M0UPU> I do see it though
[15:17] <Upu_M0UPU> is it RV ?
[15:17] <chrisstubbs> got alpha here now, its wobbling about a lot though
[15:17] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> @costyn, good idea
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[15:18] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> When I find some time again...;)
[15:18] <LazyLeopard> Pico looks like it's having second thoughts...
[15:18] <Rob_m0dts> not rv, i had to set filter bandwidth to 600 as well as shift.
[15:20] <junderwood_M0JCU> I have Fizzle on 869.498 but only partial devodes
[15:21] <Upu_M0UPU> yep confirmed
[15:21] <Upu_M0UPU> drifting alot
[15:21] <Rob_m0dts> yes a lot !
[15:21] <Upu_M0UPU> do you have RV set Rob_m0dts ?
[15:22] <fsphil> evening all
[15:22] <fsphil> what I miss?
[15:22] <Upu_M0UPU> habgeddon
[15:22] <Rob_m0dts> no, only thing i did was to set filter bandwidth to 600 also to make it decode.
[15:22] <fsphil> the map is a bit confusing
[15:22] <fsphil> are things not working?
[15:23] <NigeyS> either pico is damaged, or gps altitude is doing weird things :|
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[15:23] <fsphil> what happened Blast?
[15:24] <Sarah__> Due to the timing/landing zone we deciuded to abort the launch.
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA so far http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_1.jpg
[15:25] <fsphil> ack
[15:26] <Sarah__> We were running into some issues at the launch site, extending the launch time thus leading to fretrieval and landing issues. We are sorry. The trackers of Fizzle and Alpha though are launching and going strong at the moment
[15:26] <fsphil> launched?
[15:26] <Sarah__> Yes they are
[15:26] <fsphil> nice
[15:26] <craag_M0DNY> ello
[15:27] <craag_M0DNY> I found internets
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm Pico ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_1.jpg
[15:27] <fsphil> will have a listen
[15:27] <fsphil> hiya craag_M0DNY
[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> hey Crag
[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> can see Fizzle
[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> very drifty
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[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> unable to decode from here at the moment
[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> $$$FLJZLE,111[6l7X\3681T-104\51,10,F,u7,-Q6,q9-1q;*88s@
[15:27] Action: fsphil gets the sdr going
[15:27] <Upu_M0UPU> getting there though
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[15:28] <craag_M0DNY> I'm actually going the right way..
[15:28] <Upu_M0UPU> 869.492 on SDR
[15:28] <M0SOT_andrew> How's everything going
[15:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu_M0UPU, You're doing better than me and I'm virtually under it
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[15:28] <Rob_m0dts> yes i'm not getting line breaks after each sentence with FIZZLE so it's not uploading but 100% decode!
[15:28] <craag_M0DNY> Rob_m0dts: same here..
[15:28] <craag_M0DNY> wierd
[15:29] <Rob_m0dts> it was working before..hi
[15:29] <Hix> is alpha 434.2?
[15:29] <Hix> didn't even know there was an alpha today
[15:30] <M0SOT_andrew> Alpha is 434.071.610
[15:30] <LazyLeopard> 434.070 is ALPHA
[15:30] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: it's seriously off-course though
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[15:30] <craag_M0DNY> cm13g09: how so?
[15:30] <cm13g09> well
[15:30] <cm13g09> it's roughly following the line
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[15:31] <cm13g09> but it's certainly not on iy
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[15:31] <Upu_M0UPU> tbh if fizzle was 50 baud I'd probably be decoding
[15:31] <fsphil> ok, listening on 869.5
[15:31] <fsphil> nothing yet
[15:31] <Upu_M0UPU> 492 fsphil
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[15:31] <Upu_M0UPU> settled down a bit
[15:31] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: yeah
[15:32] <craag_M0DNY> checksum appears to be broken on it
[15:32] <Rob_m0dts> 8,-113*BTR$$$FIZZLE,11211,153142,5197747,-179302,15067,113,-46,97,10,F,252,-18,18,-113*A1SR$$$FIZZLE,11212,153145,5197744,-179262,15082,109,-70,87,10,F,252,-18,18,-113*2FSR$$$FIZZLE,11213,153145,5197744,-179
[15:32] <JFS1> MHz for Alpha?
[15:32] <mfa298> cm13g09: I think the ascent rate is probably higher than the prediction was set to hence the preduction and flight not matching up
[15:32] <craag_M0DNY> Rob_m0dts: That's what I'm getting
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> JFS1 i did have it on 434.072
[15:32] <cm13g09> mfa298: true
[15:32] <chrisstubbs> but nout now
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> $$$FIZZLE,11212,153145,5197744,-179262,15082,109,-70,87,10,F,252,-18,18,-113*2FSR
[15:32] <Rob_m0dts> ok not just me then.. :-) 59+ signal..nice!
[15:32] <fsphil> Upu_M0UPU: got huge bandwidth around 869.5, should still see it hopefully
[15:32] <Upu_M0UPU> ok I might be able to fix and manually upload
[15:33] <craag_M0DNY> Rob_m0dts: If you can save the text, I can parse it when I get home.
[15:33] <Rob_m0dts> rr will do
[15:33] <Upu_M0UPU> why is checksum borked
[15:33] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: No idea, never seen in testing.
[15:33] <Rob_m0dts> its like two extra chars getting decoded from somwhere
[15:34] <JFS1> thanks - can hear it now on 434.070.70 will try it on Flidgi
[15:34] <craag_M0DNY> Rob_m0dts: Thanks. Ill get back on the road.
[15:34] <M0SOT_andrew> Craag_M0DNY: where are you heading?
[15:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/ALPHA/ALPHA_1.jpg
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[15:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shifts closing up on ALPHA
[15:36] <fsphil> 869.492 yea?
[15:36] <jcoxon> pico for some reason won't climb
[15:36] <Sarah__> From predicitons that we are making, Alpha look like it is heading east of oxford towards high wycombe
[15:36] <jcoxon> it seems to be very stuck
[15:36] <NigeyS> jcoxon, its got vertigo !
[15:36] <cm13g09> Sarah__: Agree with that
[15:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> Upu_M0UPU, what is the current frequency for PAVA?
[15:36] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.529
[15:37] <F5MVO> Hello all, i search Alpha frequency thanks.
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[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm should we call it hopalong ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_2.jpg
[15:38] <junderwood_M0JCU> F5MVO, 434.070
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[15:39] <Upu_M0UPU> PAVA needs to stop ascending
[15:39] <fsphil> is fizzle doing constant carrier at any point or all data?
[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> all data it seems
[15:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> ALPHA heard in PA-land
[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[15:40] <g6uim> just getting carrier here
[15:40] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> by an amateur with no computer attached to his set
[15:40] <LazyLeopard> Hmmm...
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[15:40] <Upu_M0UPU> Alpha died ?
[15:40] <daveake> Just as I tunedin
[15:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks ....
[15:41] <daveake> Sorry I killed it :p
[15:41] <LazyLeopard> Still transmitting a carrier...
[15:41] <chrisstubbs> Upu_M0UPU, just carrier now hmm
[15:41] <mfa298> seems like its gone to contant carrier
[15:41] <fsphil> eek
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[15:41] <daveake> well drifting carrier
[15:41] <Upu_M0UPU> is there anything else other than FIZZLE on there ?
[15:41] <F5MVO> have you news fron AVA lost over DL ?
[15:41] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> carrier here as well
[15:41] <Upu_M0UPU> no news F5MVO never showed up again
[15:41] <daveake> Neednt have rushed home for that one then ...
[15:42] <fsphil> I rushed home myself
[15:42] <Upu_M0UPU> PAVA is coming your way daveake
[15:42] <daveake> OK, anything else up and txing?
[15:42] <daveake> ah good
[15:42] <fsphil> fizzle tx'ing on 869.490-ish
[15:42] <Upu_M0UPU> FIZZLE on 869 Mhz
[15:42] <daveake> ta
[15:42] <Hix> I'm just getting a solid tone on Aplha
[15:42] <fsphil> I've got the rtlsdr plugged directly into the tv antenna pointing that direction
[15:43] <Upu_M0UPU> Rob can you paste me a string or two from fizzle I'll see if I can manually upload
[15:43] <Hix> ping GMT
[15:43] <Upu_M0UPU> fizzle just fizzled out too
[15:43] <fsphil> nooooo
[15:43] <Rob_m0dts> yes just died
[15:43] <S_Mark> UH OH
[15:43] <S_Mark> oops
[15:44] <M0SOT_andrew> We're down to fizzle and yagi hunting...
[15:44] <fsphil> brb
[15:44] <Hix> I'm glad I just endured the hell-trip to Maplin now :/
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/ALPHA/ALPHA_2.jpg
[15:44] <Rob_m0dts> 6,-70,80,11,F,240,-22,17,-113*9DSRP$$FIZZLE,11696,154211,5195472,-173392,19324,150,-64,84,11,F,240,-22,17,-113*6ESRP$$FIZZLE,11697,154212,5195476,-173362,19338,10,-64,84,0,F,240,-22,7,-Q13*266RRP$$FIZZLE,11698,154213,5195478,-173353,19345,115,-73,83,11,F,240,-22,17, m113*48SRR$$FIZZLE,11699,154215,5195478,-173353,19345,143,-72,93,11,F,241,-22,17,-113*A7SRP$$FIZZLE,11700,154216,5195472,-13280,19367,205,-80,]C#+cK{3+KKS;RR$$FIZ
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> That erronous height for Fizzle is a pain
[15:46] <Upu_M0UPU> updated Fizzles last position
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[15:47] <S_Mark> So what happens now usually? Drive to predicted location and get the yagi?
[15:48] <GMT> Hix: I'm here, wassup?
[15:48] <Hix> hi GMT, some SDR# help if you can?
[15:48] <M0SOT_andrew> Yep - pretty much
[15:48] <GMT> go ahead ...
[15:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA so far http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_2.jpg
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[15:48] <Hix> got solid tone from dead Alpha on audio but no line on the waterfall
[15:49] <GMT> yup, I got that too!
[15:49] <Hix> also there is no option for centre frq on the GUI
[15:49] <GMT> Hix: you're using SDR Sharp?
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[15:49] <Hix> yeah v1.0.0.1114
[15:49] <mfa298> looking at alpha it cut out around 18km, could it be doing something odd if it wasn't in flight mode
[15:50] <GMT> Hix: same here. centre freq not needed, drag slider or click on freq you want
[15:50] <Hix> yup, done that, but there is nothing on the waterfall despite hearing tone
[15:51] <GMT> yup, that's correct! Could try to increase gain in 'configure'
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[15:53] <craag_M0DNY> whats happened?
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Click the Zoom level, your not centred on the Rx freq.
[15:53] <GMT> stopped tx'ing data
[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> FIZZLE & ALPHA both died
[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> ALPHA is just carrier
[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> FIZZLE nothign
[15:53] <M0SOT_andrew> The GPS has crashed, causing the agreement to hang :/
[15:53] <M0SOT_andrew> How's fizzle?
[15:53] <Upu_M0UPU> dead
[15:54] <Upu_M0UPU> agreement ?
[15:54] <craag_M0DNY> :(((
[15:54] <Hix> GMT up to 43.9 dB is that not too extreme?
[15:54] <Upu_M0UPU> You still have a carrier on ALPHA
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[15:54] <chrisstubbs> ahhh man just resoldered my SDR to tune into fizzle :(
[15:54] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HmJX11_AQE
[15:54] <mfa298> M0SOT_andrew: looks like alpha failed at 18km, issue with flight mode perhaps, and might it recover on the way down ?
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[15:54] <M0SOT_andrew> Hopefully
[15:54] <GMT> a bit extreme, but every device is different, you don't want to over-drive it
[15:55] <M0SOT_andrew> Although this gps doesn't have (a documented) flight mode
[15:56] <Hix> hmm, weird that there is no trace on the waterfall
[15:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Check the Zoom level <Hix>
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[15:56] <Hix> i can see a line on 433.102
[15:57] <Upu_M0UPU> PAVA is floating
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[15:57] <Upu_M0UPU> smily face
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[15:57] <Hix> yup - that worked cheers Geoff-G8DHE
[15:57] <chrisstubbs> Hix could be feedback from the internal oscillator
[15:57] <jcoxon> pico is floating too
[15:57] <GMT> you could try adjusting the Contrast (centre control on right) to make things stand out more
[15:57] <jcoxon> just at the wrong altitude
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[15:57] <Hix> played with conmtrast, but zoom was the key
[15:57] <Upu_M0UPU> hey jcoxon
[15:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Found if you change Freq. to far then the Zoom stops it from chnging the display :-(
[15:57] <Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4HmJX11_AQE#t=230s
[15:57] <Upu_M0UPU> whats it actually at ?
[15:58] <Upu_M0UPU> or is it at 138m ?
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[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA so far http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_3.jpg
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[15:58] <Hix> what sort of filter bandwidth should i be looking at?
[15:59] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, we aren't sure
[15:59] <jcoxon> steve is following underneath it
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> 2000Hz I vary mine on the screen as reqd.
[15:59] <jcoxon> it just can't seem to climb through
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> its more than 138m though ?
[15:59] <jcoxon> prob not
[15:59] <jcoxon> honestly
[15:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> If the signal is stable, then drag the top end down
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> ouch
[15:59] <jcoxon> its as if their is a ceiling
[15:59] <M0SOT_andrew> Can people trying to track alpha watch for burst on the waterfall?
[15:59] <Upu_M0UPU> thats really wierd
[16:00] <jcoxon> it won't even come down so we can recover it
[16:00] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[16:00] <Upu_M0UPU> air pistol time
[16:00] <Hix> you need a 138m pole jcoxon
[16:01] <Upu_M0UPU> still carrier from ALPHA
[16:01] <GMT> Hix, filetr bandwidth depends upon mode ... NFM abt 12500, LSB/USB abt 2400
[16:02] <Hix> ok, ta
[16:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO bounces ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_3.jpg
[16:02] <GMT> what will the burst look like on a waterfall?
[16:02] <Upu_M0UPU> wobbles
[16:02] <Hix> wobbly
[16:03] <chrisstubbs> Geoff-G8DHE, haha is that the peak from FIZZLE in the background?
[16:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is really slows GE down trying to plot it as well :-(
[16:03] <jcoxon> we've broken through!
[16:03] <jcoxon> wooohooo
[16:04] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, yay! i should get it very soon in that case
[16:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO bounces ? http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_4.jpg and flies
[16:04] <Dutch-Mill> ride on...
[16:05] <mfa298> if the ascent rate for fizzle/alpha stays fairly constant i'd guess burst in about 10 mins
[16:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its getting quite strong here in Sussex
[16:07] <cm13g09> mfa298: where are you getting those numbers from
[16:07] <junderwood_M0JCU> Alpha is pretty-much due east of me. I would guess the elevation is currently about 45 deg
[16:07] <mfa298> cm13g09: extrapolating from the ascent graph
[16:07] <cm13g09> ok
[16:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> Oops - I mean west
[16:08] <PE2G> ALPHA's carrier has become very stable
[16:08] <mfa298> I think alpha is getting a bit weaker on the radio here whichh might have it approaching north of oxford
[16:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> No sign of it despite blue skies
[16:08] <cm13g09> mm
[16:08] <S_Mark> Upu - your gps ublox 6 breakout board with black antenna - that have to be facing up for best signal?
[16:08] <junderwood_M0JCU> North of Oxford sounds about right
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Solid stable signal here at present ALPHA
[16:10] <Sarah__> Definately recieveing signal from Alpha??
[16:10] <PE2G> I think ALPHA is descending
[16:10] <craag_M0DNY> M0SOT_andrew: alpha is NE of me
[16:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_5.jpg and flies
[16:11] <craag_M0DNY> in fact inline with the road im on
[16:11] <craag_M0DNY> seems to be about 5 degrees ele
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[16:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> in which case, it's somewhere near Upper Heyford
[16:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA slight drop in freq.
[16:11] <junderwood_M0JCU> Due W from me. Let me check again
[16:12] <g6uim> i am hearing the carrier here, but it's fading for me now
[16:12] <g6uim> beam pointing NE
[16:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes a fade is starting here as well
[16:12] <Sarah__> Would anyone have a position for it at all?
[16:13] <craag_M0DNY> I make it north of me
[16:13] <craag_M0DNY> I'm going to head up to Chipping Norton
[16:13] <JFS1> Using a yagi in south london i get the best signal for alpha to the northwest - but you probably would guess that anyway
[16:14] <JFS1> carrier signal still strong
[16:14] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: ok
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Steady drop in Freq. now
[16:15] <junderwood_M0JCU> still east and high
[16:15] <Sarah__> Chipping norton/bicester looks the area predicted to burst in so thats a good sign. Thank you
[16:15] <mfa298> rtty
[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> data
[16:15] <GMT> its just come back to life
[16:15] <S_Mark> workingf
[16:15] <M0SOT_andrew> Back!
[16:15] <Hix> Alpha?
[16:15] <Hix> frq?
[16:15] Action: cm13g09 is waiting for the data to hit tracker
[16:15] <g6uim> yes back alpha
[16:15] <Hix> i've still got a solid tone
[16:15] <mfa298> Hix around 434.070
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> $$ALPH,499,15:12:6,200.549,0149/6276,394.¸9,-8.31,.1,.245F4EA
[16:16] <S_Mark> left of bicester
[16:16] <priyesh> must be flight mode
[16:16] <Hix> hmm, I've got bugger all just a line
[16:16] <craag_M0DNY> dang
[16:16] <craag_M0DNY> ok
[16:16] <mfa298> and on it's way down
[16:16] <GMT> at 17K metres
[16:16] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: on its way down east of Bicester
[16:16] <priyesh> it went and came back at 18K
[16:16] <craag_M0DNY> i see it
[16:16] <daveake> 18km gps error then?
[16:17] <cm13g09> *west
[16:17] <JFS1> ALPHA,569,16:16:46,5152.7825,-00114.0299,16874.5,10,-52.13,-28.44,3.81*A242
[16:17] <mfa298> from what M0SOT_andrew said earlier sounds like it's a gps module that doesn't have a documented flight mode, so 18km error seems likely
[16:17] <M0SOT_andrew> This is the lassen IQs pin compatible replacement
[16:18] <cm13g09> hmm...
[16:18] <cm13g09> that's special
[16:18] <M0SOT_andrew> Sadly it seems it has a limit (unlike the iq)
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/ALPHA/ALPHA_3.jpg
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> got an alpha decode at last :)
[16:18] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, very faitn signal on pico from chelmsford
[16:18] <Upu_M0UPU> why the heck is PAVA coming down so wuick
[16:19] <Upu_M0UPU> oh thats better
[16:19] <GMT> the last decode that I got b4 it stopped was at 17689m
[16:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA so far http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_4.jpg
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[16:21] <GMT> Hix: you getting all this?
[16:21] <Hix> im on the ar8000
[16:21] <Hix> dongle not picking anything
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[16:22] <GMT> what sort of antenna on yr dongle?
[16:22] <Upu_M0UPU> oh well :)
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[16:22] <Hix> yagi 7 el
[16:22] <Hix> fine with r8000
[16:22] <Hix> ar8000
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_6.jpg
[16:22] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: Definately Bicester territory at the moment....
[16:23] <cm13g09> looks like it wants to take the M40 :P
[16:23] <junderwood_M0JCU> Hmm. Heading for the middle of Otmoor
[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> wait a minute
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[16:24] <Upu_M0UPU> you didn't set flight mode ?
[16:24] <junderwood_M0JCU> bonus points if you snag on the top of the TV mast at Beckley
[16:24] <mfa298> Upu_M0UPU: it sounded like its a chip that doesn't have a documented flight mode, (not a ubox)
[16:25] <daveake> What happened to using the right tool for the job?
[16:26] <Sarah__> Looks like Alpha will be coming down very sharply. So I am getting predictions of Islip region.
[16:26] <Hix> decode, holding ar8000 up to mic as cant find audio lead after my tidyup
[16:26] <GMT> Alpha drifting down in freq quite a lot
[16:26] <Hix> yup
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[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> All three flights at once ;-) http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/pico-alpha-pava.jpg
[16:27] <Hix> frq plummeting
[16:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> really neeed VFO control from DL-fldigi to SDR#
[16:29] <Elwell> craag_M0DNY: RPi sound - how much was your soundmodem compatible soundcard dongle? am thinking of getting a UCA202 as they seem to be reasonable reviews and cheapish http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[16:29] <chrisstubbs> quite a solid angle on the ALPHA waterfall
[16:30] <lz1dev> pava landed
[16:30] <chrisstubbs> saying that its now straightened out
[16:31] <daveake> Sarah__ It's not coming down quickly. It'll be about 3.7m/s
[16:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> PAVA so far http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_5.jpg
[16:31] <daveake> Which is slow compared to average
[16:32] <Elwell> thought the pico balloons often came down gently
[16:32] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah was a little quicker than it should be
[16:32] <Upu_M0UPU> 26g payload
[16:32] <lz1dev> Upu_M0UPU: what balloon did you use?
[16:32] <Elwell> Upu_M0UPU: wow. including batts?
[16:32] <Upu_M0UPU> 36" Qualatex
[16:33] <Sarah__> The rate on space near us is averaging about 7m/s at present. Which is scary. But it is decreasing slowly.
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[16:34] <Upu_M0UPU> battery elwell
[16:34] <Upu_M0UPU> had a single AA
[16:34] <Upu_M0UPU> http://imgur.com/oBTvZPu,0mB4J8d
[16:34] <daveake> It's faster now because the air is thinner up there. It will of course slow down. That is *not* a scary speed at that alt
[16:34] <mfa298> Sarah__: initial descent will be fast as there's not much air up there, but it will slow down as it comes down
[16:34] <Upu_M0UPU> Sorry try this http://imgur.com/a/8wnlC
[16:35] <Sarah__> Yeah that's is what we were discussing. The numbers were very quick and very changing. So we are waiting an watching. Thank you guys for tracking this it has been very useful for us
[16:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA Freqs going high now!
[16:36] <lz1dev> Max. Altitude: 226081 m
[16:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_7.jpg
[16:36] <lz1dev> thats a bit high
[16:36] <Upu_M0UPU> whats dial for PICO ?
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> FIZZLE has an error /10 I reckon on height of that one
[16:38] <fsphil> did FRIZZLE come back?
[16:38] <Hix> in other news, the second dongle - turned it over and found this http://i.imgur.com/KmalKLX.jpg
[16:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> No it was a bum reading ages ago
[16:38] <GMT> Alpha now very loud here in London
[16:38] <Hix> so i thought yeah great, i'll try that one
[16:39] <fsphil> nothing heard here on 869.500
[16:39] <fsphil> or near it
[16:39] <Hix> however, the bellends sent the wrong connector
[16:39] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/iXr28Jk.jpg
[16:40] <fsphil> easier to replace the connector on the board
[16:40] <Hix> yup - need to source something that'll fit
[16:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> The waveform on ALPHA looks a trifle odd slowed almost http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/alpha/capture.jpg
[16:40] <chrisstubbs> i just soldered a end launch SMA onto my ezcap
[16:41] <chrisstubbs> pretty good fit
[16:41] <fsphil> is fizzle tx'ing or did it go silent?
[16:41] <Upu_M0UPU> went silent
[16:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> fiaaled
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[16:41] <Hix> fizzled
[16:41] <junderwood_M0JCU> :)
[16:41] <fsphil> ah
[16:41] <fsphil> no point in listening then
[16:41] <fsphil> I thought maybe it was at least tx'ing a carrier
[16:41] <fsphil> shame that
[16:42] <fsphil> but you got a fairly good range on it Upu_M0UPU
[16:42] <Hix> Apha's signal is changing too quick to get a decode
[16:42] <fsphil> esp. considering 600 baud
[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> didn't decode anything though
[16:42] <fsphil> that you even heard it with such a small antenna is good :)
[16:42] <Upu_M0UPU> true :)
[16:42] <fsphil> the module I have is 4.5 times the power
[16:43] <Upu_M0UPU> would have decoded at 50 I think
[16:43] <pjm> what freq is alpha ?
[16:43] <chrisstubbs> is picoatlas just transmitting a carrier?
[16:43] <GMT> 434.069
[16:43] <chrisstubbs> cant see any rtty
[16:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/ALPHA/ALPHA_4.jpg
[16:44] <fsphil> oh, PAVA burst
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[16:44] <fsphil> oh weird, PICO climbing!
[16:45] <G7OGXCHRIS> PICO freq pse?
[16:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_8.jpg
[16:45] <chrisstubbs> G7OGXCHRIS, i can kinda hear it at .335
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.24
[16:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> .34
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> odd becuase its almost right above me in chelmsford
[16:46] <G7OGXCHRIS> does weird stuff right above
[16:46] <G7OGXCHRIS> tks
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[16:46] <chrisstubbs> huh, got it PICO strong at .35 now :P just needed to hunt around
[16:48] <Hix> what alt is pico at? losing Aplha now
[16:48] <Hix> east is good for me
[16:49] <GMT> Alpha chase: I'd suggest that you stop somewhere soon-ish and wait until it gets a little lower, you're passing it
[16:49] <JFS1> alpha getting weaker in s london
[16:49] <LazyLeopard> Ah... So looks like ALPHA had a dumb GPS, and I should have PICO in range too...
[16:49] <jcoxon> pico didn't want to fly obviously, hugged the ground for an hour!
[16:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> ALPHA path http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/ALPHA/ALPHA_5.jpg
[16:51] <Hix> Yup, got Pico loud and clear now
[16:51] <Hix> decoded already
[16:51] <g7ogxchris_> i have a lot os stronger wavy sigs either side of PICO but got the little blighter!
[16:51] <Hix> pretty stable too
[16:51] Nick change: number10_home -> number10_M0MDB
[16:51] <g6uim> lost the signal here now from Alpha not a surprise, good luck with the rest of the flight and retrieval
[16:52] <jcoxon> g6uim, if pico manages to float it'll head your way tomorrow
[16:52] <jcoxon> thats a big IF though
[16:52] <LazyLeopard> Yeah, I'd given up on both ALPHA and PICO and gone to the shops.
[16:52] <number10_M0MDB> its looking good jcoxon
[16:52] <G7OGXCHRIS> hey lazy that's serious
[16:52] <g6uim> ok will look up the details for pico and be ready here for that
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[16:53] <jcoxon> it won't be for a good 12hours though
[16:53] <jcoxon> g6uim, http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/projects:picoatlas:picoatlasix
[16:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> craag_M0DNY, you're going the wrong way :)
[16:53] Action: fsphil hopes it floats
[16:53] <g7ogxchris_> wow has it enuff power?
[16:54] <fsphil> possibly the first pico I get to track :)
[16:55] <g7ogxchris_> yeh would be great to call in all our european trackers for a good Saturday evenings' tracking
[16:55] <GMT> craag: head for Beckley
[16:55] <Upu_M0UPU> I think I over filled mine jcoxon
[16:55] <Upu_M0UPU> wasn't far off but went too high
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[16:56] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, i think we underfilled this one :-p
[16:56] <jcoxon> needed more stirks
[16:56] <GMT> alpha now under 1000m and I'm losing the signal
[16:56] <fsphil> haha
[16:56] <JFS1> just lost alpha signal
[16:56] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, you recovering?
[16:56] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[16:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> craag_M0DNY, Elsfield would be good.
[16:56] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah I'll go tomorrow afternoon
[16:56] <junderwood_M0JCU> Off the Northern Bypass and over the bridge
[16:56] <Upu_M0UPU> no point going now it will be dark by the time I get there
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> as long as it didn't hit anything too hard should still be TXing
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> no idea why it came in so quick , balloon must have totally failed
[16:57] <LazyLeopard> Ok. Lost Alpha now.
[16:57] <Upu_M0UPU> I think I'll put something on there to slow the decent next time
[16:57] <fsphil> a non-optimal flight profile
[16:58] <fsphil> open chute?
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[16:58] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah maybe just a small one
[16:58] <daveake> alpha gone
[16:58] <Upu_M0UPU> I thought the balloon would slow it enough
[16:58] <fsphil> or maybe a small water bottle
[16:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> here as well
[16:58] <fsphil> with a leak
[16:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> very sudden
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[16:59] <Sarah__> Looks like elsfield or beckly I will keep you all updated on the recovery
[16:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> ,16:58:24,5147.2979,-00112.4036,165.9
[16:59] <junderwood_M0JCU> last partial
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[16:59] <daveake> Lost it 1/2 way through a sentence ...
[16:59] <daveake> $$ALPHA,672,16:58:01,5147.3055,-00112.3778,255.0,9,2.44,0.00,4.02*BD4E
[16:59] <daveake> $$ALPHA,673,16:58:24,5147.2979,-00q1æ®j
[17:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> hopefully it isn't in Ridings Wood
[17:00] <craag_M0DNY> M0SOT_andrew: where are you?
[17:00] <g7ogxchris_> oops on pico
[17:00] <Hix> Pico just hiccup?
[17:00] <junderwood_M0JCU> still transmitting but way too faint to decode
[17:00] <g7ogxchris_> yes but one tx failed
[17:01] <jcoxon> oh it resets every 20 seconds
[17:01] <g7ogxchris_> #641 white noise so only partial
[17:01] <jcoxon> i mean 20 strings
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[17:01] <Hix> hmm pico suddenly got really faint
[17:01] <jcoxon> to avoid problems with the rf22b
[17:01] <g7ogxchris_> duh someone told me that this morning!
[17:01] <Hix> and back again
[17:01] Nick change: Codeine -> Guest42771
[17:01] <Hix> weird
[17:01] <jcoxon> hix, it might be spinning
[17:01] <Hix> yeah
[17:02] <g7ogxchris_> vy stable sponsored by....?
[17:02] <Hix> that dongle is just not working for HAB
[17:02] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, i noticed the carrier wave changed sides earlier..... may have just been my imagination
[17:02] <g7ogxchris_> which?
[17:02] <Hix> scanner is steady as a rock but dongle just not having any of it
[17:02] <number10_M0MDB> what was you ascent rate Upu_M0UPU
[17:03] <g6uim> what time are you planning the pico launch for, will make sure i am at the pc
[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> about 1m/s
[17:03] <number10_M0MDB> not too fast then
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[17:03] <Upu_M0UPU> may have been slightly higher
[17:03] <daveake> they are fickle things
[17:03] <jcoxon> g6uim, pico is in the air
[17:03] <Hix> doe the dongles have some weird out of tune characteristics?
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> whats dial on PICO ?
[17:04] <g7ogxchris_> need calibrating
[17:04] <number10_M0MDB> did hope it was up when I got home as had second antenna up for AVA
[17:04] <Hix> i.e indicated MHZ isnt actually true?
[17:04] <g6uim> oops sorry ok will get setup for it
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> sorry :/
[17:04] <number10_M0MDB> 434.349 here
[17:04] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll go recover tomorrow if its still there
[17:04] <daveake> 434350
[17:04] <LazyLeopard> 434.348.6 here ;)
[17:04] <number10_M0MDB> did you put a telephone number on it Upu_M0UPU ?
[17:05] <Upu_M0UPU> no the label fell off
[17:05] <Upu_M0UPU> I think its going to be in a field
[17:05] <number10_M0MDB> be good if its still transmitting
[17:05] <g7ogxchris_> reset
[17:05] <Upu_M0UPU> battery wise it will be
[17:05] <Upu_M0UPU> antennas are insulated so shouldn't be shorting
[17:05] <g7ogxchris_> 434.312.54 here
[17:05] <Upu_M0UPU> though they will be bent :/
[17:06] <chrisstubbs> RMF22B. now i understand why the carrier "changed sides"
[17:06] <chrisstubbs> stayed at the last freq set by a 1 or 0
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[17:09] <Hix> right that sorts that out, dongle sees Pico at 434.309.560
[17:09] <Hix> which is utter shite
[17:11] <g7ogxchris_> bottiful sigs
[17:11] <g7ogxchris_> bootifull
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[17:11] <fsphil> pico slowing down a bit?
[17:12] <Hix> have any of you guys seen a dongle that far out of cal?
[17:12] <Hix> decoding Pico on 434.308.470
[17:12] <Hix> but is 434.350 on scanner
[17:12] <jcoxon> Hix, mine is out a bit
[17:12] <jcoxon> i reckon they can be calibrated
[17:12] <Hix> that much though?
[17:13] <jcoxon> as they are just software
[17:13] <chrisstubbs> PICO is steady as a rock!
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[17:13] <g6uim> what frequency is pico on? getting confused here, it's my age
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[17:13] <GMT> I've just spoken with the ALPHA recovery team and talked them into the edge of the field where it landed.
[17:13] <g7ogxchris_> any cider in the room?
[17:13] <Hix> g6uim: by most standards 434.350
[17:13] <daveake> Yeah how come a teeny little tracker can remain steady yet a tracker in a big heavy box can't ....
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[17:13] <Hix> by my dongle noway near :)
[17:14] <jdtanner> Evening. I see we've got a Peak District special Upu ;)
[17:14] <daveake> It sucks down picos
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> if you fancy going out :)
[17:14] <GMT> Hix ... one of the first things you needed to do was to calibrate it with a known freq!
[17:14] <Upu_M0UPU> will going get it tomorrow
[17:14] <g7ogxchris_> what software?
[17:15] <jdtanner> Is it still floating or is it on the ground?
[17:15] <Hix> ahhh so how do i cal now GMT as this is decoding and is known at .350 steady
[17:15] <g7ogxchris_> hix wot software?
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> it will be on the ground
[17:15] <Hix> SDR# sorry g7ogxchris_ didnt know you were asking me
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.529Mhz last seen at 53.4086,-1.55474
[17:15] <Upu_M0UPU> should still be TXing
[17:16] <g7ogxchris_> is ok there's a procedure to puytin in an offset
[17:16] <Hix> ok
[17:16] <jcoxon> i glued a large bit of polystyrene to the rfm22b
[17:16] <Hix> thinking tex
[17:16] <Hix> I was thinnking along lines of cotton wool and kapton
[17:16] <jdtanner> Might pop out for a bit to got a hunting.
[17:17] <Upu_M0UPU> how close is that to you ?
[17:17] <g7ogxchris_> in configure frequency parts per million bottom of drop down
[17:17] <Hix> there's afrequency correction in the configure box but its in ppm
[17:17] <jcoxon> i think we are getting a hint of a float
[17:17] <jdtanner> Upu, not the closest to be honest...probably 45 mins away
[17:17] <Hix> what doe ppm correlate to in Hz?
[17:17] <fsphil> looking like it jcoxon
[17:17] <GMT> Message from Alpha Recovery - payload recovered!!!!
[17:17] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: sent it over ;-)
[17:18] <jdtanner> But I might be able to get up high enough for a decent fix.
[17:18] <Upu_M0UPU> don't worry about it I'll go tomorrow aft
[17:18] <jcoxon> Elmar_PD3EM, it'll actually head west according to the predicitons
[17:18] <Upu_M0UPU> but if you want some practice you're more than wlecome
[17:18] <g7ogxchris_> does that mean it is less likely to burst?
[17:18] <jdtanner> lol...I'll see what the boss says.
[17:18] <jdtanner> ;)
[17:18] <fsphil> -0.3m/s
[17:19] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: I'll wait and see... not in range yet for me..
[17:19] <g7ogxchris_> hix i chose local amateur 70cms repeater and added ppm till i was correct
[17:19] Action: fsphil uses broadcast FM to calibrate
[17:20] <jcoxon> yay my home radio has not got it
[17:20] <jcoxon> so i can stop listening here :-p
[17:20] <fsphil> that has to be the oddest ascent graph ever
[17:20] <g7ogxchris_> nearer u can get to your usual freqs the better where are you hix? I'll look up nearest ham rptr
[17:20] <Sarah__> Hey guy Alpha retrieved Thank you so much all of you for your help :)
[17:20] <fsphil> it's certainly been an interesting flight Sarah__ :)
[17:21] <Hix> g7ogxchris_: 51.683027,0.027702
[17:21] <fsphil> oh, jump in altitude
[17:21] <g7ogxchris_> lol give us a town
[17:21] <g7ogxchris_> reset
[17:21] <fsphil> 3m/s
[17:21] <chrisstubbs> Glad to hear it Sarah__ shame about the gadgeteer payload not going up!
[17:22] <Hix> Epping / Waltham Abbey Essex
[17:22] <g7ogxchris_> ok astby
[17:22] <gonzo__> have I missed all the fun?
[17:22] <g7ogxchris_> hix danbury hill
[17:22] <Hix> ok, just google it then?
[17:23] <fsphil> been a mixed day gonzo__
[17:23] <jdtanner> Upu: you might have a problem finding it there as the estates are quite extensive. Just FYI.
[17:23] <g7ogxchris_> in on 434.675 out on 433.075 FM 25 Watts
[17:23] <Upu_M0UPU> 1well if its still TXing I can get an exact fix
[17:23] <Upu_M0UPU> if its not recoverable so be it
[17:23] <gonzo__> hehe, nice
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[17:25] <g7ogxchris_> soooo if u listen on on 433.075( bearing in mind (see wot i did there?!) how inaccurate ur dongle is then slowly move it on to that freq
[17:25] <GMT> anyone else having probs decoding PICO?
[17:25] <g7ogxchris_> when it is in use, they are quite accurate
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[17:26] <Hix> g7ogxchris_: how do i know how many ppm to give it? and which direction?
[17:26] <g7ogxchris_> no fine here strong#
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[17:26] <g7ogxchris_> trial and error
[17:26] <GMT> Hix, go up in jumps of 10 and see what happens
[17:26] <g7ogxchris_> if u see voice activity reset...
[17:27] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton, Monday 25th and
[17:27] <jcoxon> float? for pico
[17:27] <g7ogxchris_> have a listen it will soon be obvious if its the repeater they must id regularly
[17:27] <fsphil> this could be the top of a curve
[17:28] <jcoxon> eek
[17:28] <jcoxon> could be
[17:28] <g7ogxchris_> http://www.essexrepeatergroup.org.uk/gb3er.htm hix
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[17:28] <g7ogxchris_> freq wobble
[17:28] <Hix> yup got it, though i'm strugging to get anything as yet
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> HIX
[17:29] <Hix> hello chrisstubbs
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> GB3ER is just up the road from me
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> sorry haha
[17:29] <Hix> this i knew
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> yeah ED is rarley used but DA is
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> cannot type...
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> try GB3DA
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[17:30] <Hix> 145.725MHz Output
[17:30] <Hix> correct?
[17:30] <g7ogxchris_> http://www.ukrepeater.net/70cm.htm hix good resource here click and zoom shows expected coverage
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> yeah should be
[17:30] <Hix> ok cheers chaps
[17:31] <chrisstubbs> Hix it should ident every 10 mins or so
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[17:32] <g7ogxchris_> reset
[17:33] <g7ogxchris_> when height fluctuates is that for real or just inaccuracy?
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[17:34] <jcoxon> g7ogxchris_, a bit of both
[17:34] <jcoxon> gps will always drift
[17:34] <jdtanner> Seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-21642695
[17:34] <g7ogxchris_> yeah
[17:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_9.jpg
[17:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> I assum ALPHA was picked up, had to pop out for a few chores ;-)
[17:36] <PE2G> What freq is PICO on now?
[17:36] <eroomde> i rather suspect it didnt get there without some postal service assistence
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[17:37] <fsphil> yeaaa
[17:37] <M0SOT_andrew> Yep - alpha and fizzle are safely recovered
[17:37] <fsphil> "met office says it's possible"
[17:37] <GMT> i'd say that kids balloon landed in the next town, and somebody there was going to Oz, so took it with them for a laugh.
[17:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh good, they will no doubt fly again!
[17:38] <g7ogxchris_> reset
[17:38] <GMT> I did the 'talk-in' to get the ALPHA recovery team to the edge of the field.
[17:39] <jdtanner> I think the sea might have helped a little bit
[17:39] <jdtanner> either that or postman pat
[17:40] <g7ogxchris_> nah wouldn't have got there by now Jess would have done a runner
[17:40] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, booked your ticket to france yet?
[17:41] <jcoxon> chrisstubbs, don't need to
[17:41] <jcoxon> it'll swing round
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[17:41] <chrisstubbs> back onto the UK, or sea?
[17:41] <jcoxon> eventually back to the UK
[17:41] <g7ogxchris_> Margate jellied eels
[17:42] <chrisstubbs> should get a good track then :)
[17:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Who was flying ANU didn't hear it mentioned ?
[17:43] <g7ogxchris_> reset
[17:44] <fsphil> it resets every so often g7ogxchris_, that's intentional
[17:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> re you copying PICO ?
[17:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> <g7ogxchris_> are you copying PICO ?
[17:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> ebven
[17:45] <GMT> is PICO 7n2 or 8n2?
[17:46] <fsphil> jcoxon: that looks pretty floaty to me
[17:46] <fsphil> I wonder if it'll come back down after sunset
[17:47] <chrisstubbs> pico 8n2
[17:47] <jcoxon> GMT, 8
[17:47] <chrisstubbs> 450 shift i got
[17:47] <PE2G> Current freq?
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[17:49] <cm13g09> craag_M0DNY: looks like you got lucky
[17:49] <chrisstubbs> 434.349.50
[17:50] <PE2G> Thanks!
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[17:51] <GMT> now decoding PICO, had to stop/start fldigi
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[17:52] <craag_M0DNY> cm13g09: just a bit
[17:53] <craag_M0DNY> rfm seems to have had issues
[17:53] <craag_M0DNY> it was intermittent when I picked it up. A reboot and all is good again.
[17:53] Action: craag_M0DNY => home
[17:55] <Hix> 434.390.000 sound fair to you guys?
[17:57] <jcoxon> oooo updates for PAVA
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[18:00] <daveake> In a field, nice
[18:02] <Upu_M0UPU> what ?
[18:02] <GMT> Hix: what do you think is on that freq?
[18:02] <Upu_M0UPU> who is 2E0KPI ?
[18:02] <Hix> GMT Pico
[18:03] <Hix> its decoding
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[18:03] <Upu_M0UPU> I suspect someone is very close to it
[18:03] <GMT> okay, it's on 434.350 or extremely close ... 434.390 is not it
[18:04] <Hix> typo again.... http://i.imgur.com/jYXsFvD.png
[18:04] <Upu_M0UPU> cool :)
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[18:04] <Upu_M0UPU> if he turns up get some contact details, I need to run and get food
[18:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> He's found on the log pages before on a PICO flight see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/ukhas/1PSpdeLYinc/pL48VJ1PpRMJ
[18:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Mr N Gregg, 2E0KPI
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[18:07] <GMT> Hix: that's the baby, well done!
[18:07] <chrisstubbs> Hix decodes look good for the ammount of noise
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[18:07] <chrisstubbs> mine has been horrible today!
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[18:07] <Hix> i think thats just the contrast on SDR# chrisstubbs
[18:08] <Hix> its clean audio
[18:08] <chrisstubbs> ah fair enough
[18:08] <chrisstubbs> anyway, result :) callibrated well too
[18:08] <chrisstubbs> got my HABAMP on the 817 with good results. Didnt work well at all when i tried it the other week
[18:10] <Morseman> Anyone got latest HAB set up OK?
[18:10] <chrisstubbs> Pico?
[18:11] <Morseman> It's reporting elevation on PICO as -65 and distance as 1.162e+004km !!
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[18:11] <Morseman> and bearing as 200 degres which is plainly wrong as well
[18:11] <jcoxon> Morseman, oh yes
[18:11] <jcoxon> its because i use an unusual format
[18:12] <jcoxon> well i don't have floats
[18:12] <jcoxon> just integers
[18:12] <jcoxon> :-p
[18:12] <jcoxon> the next version will cope
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[18:12] <Morseman> OK jcoxon - so it's not my settings that are wrong then?
[18:12] <Hix> thought it was just me who was decoding from narnia :)
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[18:13] <Sarah__> Just to reiterate, the BLAST team retireved alpha, and we apologise for not launching the SHARP platform but thank you for your patience. Hoepfully we will launch again soon and we will keep you all in the loop. Thank you for your help and support.
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[18:14] <Morseman> Finally twigged that needed --hab after the pointer to the exe file to get it into HAB mode
[18:16] <chrisstubbs> im off out for dinner, will leave radio running for PICO
[18:16] <chrisstubbs> laters
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[18:25] <number10_M0MDB> Geoff-G8DHE: I was only going to fly Anu if jcoxon had a complete disaster on Pico
[18:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right hadn't heard anything and realised it was on my list!
[18:27] <jcoxon> number10_M0MDB, it nearly was
[18:28] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: fixed bug in HABHUB iOS app where alt vs time graph was showing multiple plots. HABHUB v1.2 submitted for review. #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/307920390758473728]
[18:29] <LazyLeopard> Getting a whole lot of "curl_easy_perform: Send failed since rewinding of the data stream failed" messages at intervals.
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[18:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not the only one seen a few
[18:30] <number10_M0MDB> great that its going wel jcoxon
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[18:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right I'm off to make some tea. CUL
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[18:44] <NigeyS> jcoxon
[18:44] <NigeyS> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/12228_trj001.gif
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[18:45] <NigeyS> it's coming for you fsphil ;)
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[18:50] <HixPad> Ping eroomde
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[18:52] <eroomde> pong HixPad
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[18:54] <Jess--> Welcome Ian
[18:55] <Upu_M0UPU> So need to find Mr N Gregg aka 2E0KPI
[18:55] <ian___> hello Jess
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[18:56] <OZ1SKY_Brian> no no no what happend Anthony?
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[18:57] <Upu_M0UPU> Looks like 2E0KPI went to find it as we have on the ground telemetry, so he must have been very close to it
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[18:57] <Upu_M0UPU> as I'll put money the antenna is no longer straight :)
[18:59] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wires?
[18:59] <Upu_M0UPU> cat 5 innards
[18:59] <G8DSU> Upu: 2E0KPI is listed at HamQRTH.com but only address, no phone number or email
[18:59] <HixPad> eroomde: ARRL is in Dropbox now, fill yer boots
[19:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh :-)
[19:00] <Upu_M0UPU> its ok I have his details
[19:00] <jcoxon> hey Upu_M0UPU
[19:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh James launched and doing well
[19:00] <Upu_M0UPU> hey jcoxon you're just showing off, "this is how you float noob" :)
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[19:01] <NigeyS> jcoxon, i got the time right on this one, interesting path if the batteries last :D http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13264_trj001.gif
[19:01] <HixPad> As a pikey antenna is I
[19:01] <Upu_M0UPU> I actually have his phone number
[19:01] <HixPad> T possible to use a bit of coax with the core at the tip cut to 167mm and radials attached to sheath?
[19:02] <HixPad> As a qtr wave on a pole?
[19:02] <jcoxon> Upu_M0UPU, well, the first hour was a bit of a worry
[19:02] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah that was very odd
[19:02] <jcoxon> i think an inversion layer
[19:02] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADms_0dCKvI
[19:02] <Upu_M0UPU> very windy launch
[19:02] <jcoxon> i think if someone is clever they could link the altitude to the terrain altitude
[19:02] <HixPad> I read that as a very windy lunch then Upu_M0UPU
[19:02] <eroomde> HixPad: thanks
[19:03] <HixPad> Nps
[19:03] <eroomde> download as zip is a v useful dropboxfeature
[19:03] <HixPad> Yup
[19:03] <HixPad> It's pretty comprehensive that book
[19:03] <HixPad> Don't have link to hand but feel free to post for others
[19:06] <Upu_M0UPU> right mailed 2E0KPI
[19:08] <jcoxon> i'd be interested in how people are finding picos signal?
[19:08] <jcoxon> have people had to retune?
[19:08] <number10_M0MDB> that was quite windy Upu_M0UPU - nice place to launch though
[19:08] <Upu_M0UPU> Out of my range now jcoxon
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[19:08] <Upu_M0UPU> it is quite high up
[19:08] <number10_M0MDB> no etuning here since launch jcoxon
[19:08] <number10_M0MDB> +r
[19:08] <Upu_M0UPU> its actually the highest point round here
[19:08] <Upu_M0UPU> apart from the crap the teenagers leave behind
[19:08] <jcoxon> so my polystyrene block is working
[19:09] <number10_M0MDB> looks like it
[19:09] <number10_M0MDB> is that far from your house Upu_M0UPU ?
[19:09] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Anthony you should not trow all that garbage on the road :-)
[19:10] <NigeyS> can hear it from here james, but pretty weak
[19:10] <Upu_M0UPU> 3 mins drive
[19:11] <Upu_M0UPU> got some pics jcoxon ?
[19:11] <number10_M0MDB> nice
[19:11] <HixPad> It was rock steady jcoxon I used it to calibrate my dongle
[19:11] <jcoxon> number10_M0MDB, has a launch video i think
[19:12] <number10_M0MDB> I'll check it out - but dont have a youtube account
[19:12] <jcoxon> my home station is received without any input
[19:12] <Upu_M0UPU> I can put it on Youtube if you want to link it to me
[19:13] <NigeyS> jcoxon going to be another 5 hours before it starts to swing west :(
[19:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[19:14] <Upu_M0UPU> rotator is still tracking it (thx craag_M0DNY) but no signal
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[19:14] <NigeyS> what's the expected battery life ?
[19:15] <jcoxon> if powersaving does it job quite a while
[19:15] <Upu_M0UPU> many many hours :)
[19:16] <jcoxon> i don't think we've dropped out of powersaving for quite a while
[19:16] <Upu_M0UPU> 45+
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[19:17] <NigeyS> 45 .. hmm
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> it won't unless something is up
[19:17] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm ?
[19:17] <NigeyS> trying to look where itll be if its got 45 hours battery
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[19:18] <NigeyS> midnight sunday = west wales ...
[19:18] <Upu_M0UPU> hysplit brings it back round soon ?
[19:18] <NigeyS> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/trajplot_13264.pdf
[19:19] <Upu_M0UPU> let see how accurate that data is
[19:19] <jcoxon> its got to survive that long!
[19:20] <NigeyS> i think norway by 6am tuesday james? want to check my maths? lol
[19:21] <jcoxon> yeah i think thats about right
[19:21] <jcoxon> nearly back over land again
[19:21] <NigeyS> yup
[19:22] <HixPad> uk.farnell.com/molex/73251-1150/rf-coaxial-sma-jack-str-50ohm-edge/dp/1418052
[19:22] <NigeyS> whats the big dip on the trajectory just before 6am tuesday ?
[19:22] <LazyLeopard> Alpha successfully retrieved, I assume, judging by coincidence of payload and chase car icons. ;)
[19:22] <HixPad> That the correct sma for the dongle
[19:22] <Upu_M0UPU> I sell those HixPad
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> and the extra long ones
[19:23] <HixPad> Do you, cool. I'll get when I get my tracker parts
[19:23] <Upu_M0UPU> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/category&path=71_66
[19:23] <HixPad> If my boards ever leave the fans
[19:24] <fsphil> just back in. that's a lovely float jcoxon
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[19:24] <HixPad> Fabs apple, fabs.
[19:24] <GMT> LazyL - confirm ALPHA retrieved okay from a field just NE of Oxford
[19:25] <LazyLeopard> :)
[19:25] <fsphil> NigeyS: it's heading more east than predicted. it might miss me
[19:26] <NigeyS> yup, might skirt the irish coast still .. 6am monday ish ...
[19:27] <jcoxon> i think its time we wrote a paper regarding foil party balloon float characteristics
[19:27] <Bellious> Just as couple of quick questions. i came on here a couple of weeks back to ask about the Arduino Uno. I now have one and have been playing with it. I am now looking to by a NTX2 and it suggests i come on here to get advice on buying options
[19:27] <Upu_M0UPU> hi Bellious
[19:28] <Bellious> Hi :)
[19:28] <Upu_M0UPU> indeed private message
[19:29] <NigeyS> jcoxon wont that be a short paper? "totally unpredictable" ? :p
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[19:29] <jcoxon> NigeyS, nah
[19:30] <jcoxon> there is defintiely some theory
[19:30] <fsphil> you could probably write quite a bit about why they're unpredictable
[19:30] <NigeyS> true, it's definately been wittled down to 1 balloon is much higher chance of float at least
[19:30] <kpiman> 2E0KPI that is me.
[19:30] <fsphil> maybe not unpredictable, but unstable
[19:31] <NigeyS> yip phil
[19:31] <GMT> kpiman, somebody is looking for you!
[19:32] <kpiman> Spur of the moment trip to Hillsborough to try to locate PAVA. FAILED
[19:32] <GMT> I think Upu would like to speak to you about that, I will leave it up to him
[19:33] <fsphil> it appears to be in a field
[19:33] <kpiman> Is was getting dark but i suspect up a very big tree.
[19:33] <kpiman> No sign in the fields
[19:34] <fsphil> the gps is usually pretty accurate
[19:34] <fsphil> there's no trees near it
[19:34] <fsphil> well there is at the edge of the field
[19:34] <fsphil> but it's unlikely the gps is that wrong
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[19:34] <chris_99> you guys seen this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287037/Incredible-10-545-mile-journey-balloon-launched-British-schoolboy-6-revealed-lands-AUSTRALIA.html
[19:35] <fsphil> chris_99: almost certainly faked
[19:35] <anerDev> Hi guys !
[19:35] <fsphil> howdy anerDev
[19:35] <anerDev> how are you ?
[19:36] <chris_99> fsphil, why, it could hit the jet stream
[19:36] <fsphil> awake, fed and warm. can't complain :)
[19:36] <fsphil> chris_99: the jet streams don't cross the equator
[19:36] <NigeyS> uv wouldve eaten that balloon long before it hit australia
[19:37] <fsphil> and that
[19:37] <fsphil> that's a better point
[19:37] <fsphil> plus a little tiny balloon like that probably couldn't get to the jet streams
[19:37] <NigeyS> i mean, the kaymonts etc barely last 3 days under heavy U.V and theyre made for the job of being "up there" some random party balloon has no chance.
[19:39] <anerDev> guys I have a question about ntx2 range !
[19:39] <NigeyS> ?
[19:39] <GMT> 800kms
[19:39] <fsphil> "it depends"
[19:39] <anerDev> the range is 800 kms ?!
[19:39] <NigeyS> lol
[19:39] <fsphil> anerDev: that's the record yea
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[19:39] <GMT> well, 800kms is the record so far, wanna try and beat it?
[19:39] <anerDev> WOOOWWWW
[19:39] <anerDev> from naples to milan !
[19:39] <fsphil> but it's unlikely you'd get that range
[19:40] <NigeyS> it varies, but at 40km+ altitude, it's been as far as 800km
[19:40] <fsphil> it was helped by good atmospheric propagation
[19:40] <fsphil> yes and it greatly depends on the altitude
[19:40] <anerDev> i'm using this antenna, is ok ? http://www.aurelwireless.com/wp-content/uploads/shortform/650200313G_sf.pdf GP433
[19:40] <anerDev> and the 70 cm filter and usb cap
[19:40] <Upu_M0UPU> cheers kpiman :)
[19:40] <GMT> earlier this week, 35kms altitude, I got 450kms, fsphil got more
[19:40] <anerDev> and for example at 5 km of altitude what's the range ? 30 km ?
[19:41] <GMT> anerDev, are you planning on using that antenna on the ground, or on the balloon?
[19:41] <fsphil> anerDev: just over 100km
[19:41] <kpiman> looking at spacenear now it could be farther down the field than we looked
[19:42] <anerDev> GMT: for receive the signal !
[19:42] <fsphil> PICO is heading almost directly to france. no sign of turning
[19:42] <anerDev> fsphil : thank you !
[19:42] <Upu_M0UPU> its pretty accurate in pedestrian mode and that is the normal scatter so I'd probably guess its in the field
[19:43] <GMT> anerDev: might be okay, might be better with a 430 MHz colinear or 430 MHz beam
[19:43] <anerDev> for send the data from ballon, i have an antenna like this: http://www.speedup.it/items/SPEED%20UP/Preparazioni%20esterne/Antenna%20Estetica/jpg/1057355_300x300.jpg
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> Status 8 = pedestrian mode
[19:44] <NigeyS> fsphil noticed that, but if hysplit is correct its not due to "turn" until around 11:30ish
[19:44] <kpiman> didn't have the luxury of satalite veiw to see position of trees
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[19:44] <fsphil> NigeyS: ah
[19:44] <fsphil> this is going to be a long one
[19:44] <Upu_M0UPU> take it the field is accessible ?
[19:44] <NigeyS> fsphil, http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/trajplot_13264.pdf
[19:44] Action: fsphil sends jcoxon coffee
[19:44] <NigeyS> very long heh
[19:44] <anerDev> GMT thank you for this tip !
[19:44] <jcoxon> if hysplit is correct i should be able to leave my station running
[19:44] <kpiman> yes, quite easy
[19:44] <NigeyS> yup james
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> I might go back and get it tomorrow if i get time
[19:45] <GMT> anerDev, 'send' antenna looks heavy, your TX power is only a few milliwatts so you can use a thin wire
[19:45] <NigeyS> i'm not going to pick it up until at least 5pm tomorrow if it stays at 3500m
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> its an hours drive
[19:45] <Upu_M0UPU> anyway cheers kpiman I'll let you know how I get on
[19:45] <fsphil> I'll get up early on monday of it survives sunday
[19:45] <kpiman> I'm happy to take another look tomorrow, only 30 mins for me
[19:45] <NigeyS> well i can pick it up now but so weak it wont decode
[19:46] <anerDev> GMT but the best is a simple 1/4 frequency wire or this antenna (my model is for 430 MHz) ?
[19:46] <GMT> anerDev, for antenna advice speak to Upu or DaveAke
[19:46] <Upu_M0UPU> well if you want to kpiman that would make my life easier I'll see you for the petrol and buy you a pint some time :)
[19:46] <anerDev> ok GMT =D
[19:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anerDev this is how i made a antenna for the ntx2, look 1/4 way down the page: http://oz1sky.smart-tech.dk/hab/hab.htm
[19:47] <NigeyS> jcoxon whats the current dial freq ?
[19:47] <Upu_M0UPU> it will still be on for a day or two
[19:47] <jcoxon> 434.348880
[19:47] <fsphil> it's a bit far from you NigeyS
[19:47] <NigeyS> ta, yeah its really really faint phil
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[19:48] <anerDev> thank you <OZ1SKY_Brian> !
[19:48] <Upu_M0UPU> let me know if you decide to go out kpiman, I can't go until mid afternoon anyway
[19:48] <Willdude123> Hi.
[19:48] <anerDev> One moment, i send to you my proto circuit
[19:48] <Upu_M0UPU> Evening Will
[19:48] <Willdude123> I am wondering, do most people get their own custom pcb for balloon equipment?
[19:48] <Willdude123> *PCB
[19:48] <Upu_M0UPU> some do some don't
[19:49] <Upu_M0UPU> personally I prefer custom PCB's
[19:49] <Upu_M0UPU> others use strip board
[19:49] <Willdude123> I could never handle them, wouldn't know how.
[19:49] <kpiman> Yes, will take a look again. Just checked with wife
[19:49] <kpiman> tomorrow AM
[19:50] <fsphil> I've been a big stripboard user, but fighting my way through eagle atm
[19:50] <Willdude123> I'd never figure what to get or where to put it.
[19:50] <fsphil> wonder if I send a payload to Darkside will I get the range record
[19:50] <Willdude123> Has anyone ever used a beaglebone for Habbing?
[19:50] <Willdude123> *HABbing
[19:50] <Willdude123> Or is it HABing?
[19:50] <Upu_M0UPU> the latter I think
[19:50] <fsphil> only one B
[19:51] <Upu_M0UPU> <Willdude123> I could never handle them, wouldn't know how. <- How do you mean ?
[19:51] <Willdude123> I don't know, like where to put stuff and how to order one.
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[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> PCB's ?
[19:52] <Willdude123> Yeah.
[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> Well you use a specific bit of CAD software for PCB's , generally Eagle or KiCAD
[19:52] <Upu_M0UPU> both are free
[19:53] <Willdude123> Just looking at your PCB that you use: http://ava.upuaut.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/avafc-1024x834.jpg
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> god
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> kill it with fire
[19:54] <Willdude123> This is a stupid question but where's the microcontroller?
[19:54] <fsphil> haha
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> its the long chip in the middle
[19:54] <Willdude123> Oh, IC2.
[19:54] <fsphil> the big black thing in the middle
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> that was my first board
[19:54] <PE7ER> hi, a question: is the HAB dl-fldigi version available on linux (raspberrypi) ?
[19:54] <Upu_M0UPU> and it was dire
[19:54] <fsphil> when did you make that Upu_M0UPU, 1980?
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[19:54] <Willdude123> But how do you get an IC to act as a microcontroller?
[19:55] <fsphil> PE7ER: the Pi is not fast enough to run it in real-time
[19:55] <jcoxon> come along way
[19:55] <Upu_M0UPU> just a bit :)
[19:55] <fsphil> the IC *is* a microcontroller
[19:55] <fsphil> it's an atmega
[19:55] <fsphil> I think
[19:55] <Willdude123> Oh.
[19:55] <fsphil> can't see any text on the chip
[19:56] <fsphil> what's that at the bottom right Upu_M0UPU? gps?
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[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah inventek
[19:56] <PE7ER> my pi ir running the normal version fldig ok but @ 100% cpu indeed i tried bpsk31
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/PCB%20Pictures/pAVAR7b-BatteryConnection.JPG
[19:56] <Upu_M0UPU> thats what they look like now Willdude123
[19:56] <fsphil> interesting PE7ER, does it work with RTTY? the last time I tried it, it ran at about 80% slower
[19:56] <fsphil> er, 20% slower
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[19:57] <Willdude123> It looks like it's hell to make the damn things.
[19:57] <Upu_M0UPU> its quite fun actually
[19:57] <mfa298> PE7ER: question is likely to be does it actually decode data ?
[19:57] <fsphil> and very educational
[19:57] <Upu_M0UPU> as RocketBoy says its like sudoku but with a purpose and something at the end of it
[19:57] <mfa298> PE7ER: it's possible to compile and load up dl-fldigi on the pi but there's not enough cpu to decode rtty
[19:58] <Upu_M0UPU> getting all the bits to fit together is like a puzzle and when you crack it the rewards are a neat tidy board
[19:58] <anerDev> ok guys, this is the hardware photo: http://imgur.com/DbziXhX (arduino, sd, sim908 shield) and this is the antenna with sensor and ntx2 http://imgur.com/6ADsqmg
[19:58] <Upu_M0UPU> thats a lot of stuff :)
[19:58] <Upu_M0UPU> GSM ?
[19:58] <PE7ER> it runs bpsk even with fft, i will have a look on 40 mtr for rtty now yes it does decode bpsk thtas sorta rtty fsk right
[19:59] <fsphil> hehe, http://i.imgur.com/Ionij5s.png
[19:59] <fsphil> (totally OT)
[19:59] <anerDev> and this is the sketch about payload configuration: http://imgur.com/EcISky7
[20:00] <number10_M0MDB> Upu_M0UPU: jcoxon - pico picture and short video http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157632899865900/
[20:00] <anerDev> Upu_MoUPU yes ! a lot of stuff ! this is my first ballon project !
[20:00] <anerDev> fsphil uAUHHUAHUAHUAHUAH
[20:01] <fsphil> another dramatic launch jcoxon. one of these days you'll have a calm one
[20:01] <jcoxon> so yeah a bit less windy
[20:01] <jcoxon> well it got a bit stressful
[20:01] <anerDev> Upu_M0UPU GSM what ?
[20:01] <Upu_M0UPU> module
[20:01] <jcoxon> once that damn thing didn't get up
[20:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jcoxon no spiders this time?
[20:02] <jcoxon> above 400m
[20:02] <fsphil> that's true
[20:02] <Willdude123> Might even be able to talk my parents into letting me do a flight one day.
[20:02] <jcoxon> and then made it down to 94m
[20:02] <fsphil> I got in earlier and thought it had failed
[20:02] <Upu_M0UPU> wow yeah thats much slower than mine
[20:02] <craag_M0DNY> good evening all
[20:03] <JFS1> Brian - it's when the spider fell off that it started climbing
[20:03] <Upu_M0UPU> Well Willdude123 if they have concerns we are happy to assist, supervise , ressure parents
[20:03] <Upu_M0UPU> I'll get Ed to speak to them
[20:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> JFS1 oh yes theres the answer :-)
[20:03] <anerDev> good evening craag_M0DNY
[20:03] <anerDev> Upu_M0UPU is the SIm908 GPS/GSM module with arduino shield by futura elettronica (my sponsor)
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> ah ok
[20:04] <jcoxon> OZ1SKY_Brian, no spiders today
[20:04] <Willdude123> Yeah, provided they even consider it?
[20:04] <Willdude123> *.
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> did we ascertain if it had a limit
[20:04] <Upu_M0UPU> Well Will if they have legitimate concerns address them, show them the predictor, explain how it lets you choose where you go depend on where you launch
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> how much gas goes in
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> how big the balloon is etc
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> Also I'm sure people here will assist on the launch as needed to check everything is safe for you
[20:05] <GMT> and remind them thay you're *not actually flying* 'in' the balloon
[20:05] <Upu_M0UPU> you make a tracker, we'll deal with the parents :)
[20:06] <costyn> check out this contrail, this plane wasn't far off http://i.imgur.com/bSsuUs5.jpg
[20:06] <Upu_M0UPU> below fortunately :)
[20:06] <fsphil> costyn: stealth plane?
[20:06] <GMT> cistyn, that is superb!
[20:06] <GMT> cistyn=costyn
[20:06] <costyn> fsphil: it is hard to see :)
[20:07] <fsphil> what altitude was that at do you know?
[20:07] <fsphil> I think the big plane I was in had a max altitude of 12km
[20:07] <costyn> another one http://i.imgur.com/j7UoskR.jpg
[20:07] <fsphil> which was higher than I expected
[20:07] <costyn> fsphil: not sure about the altitude
[20:08] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Jet-Above-1024x575.png
[20:08] <costyn> fsphil: but 10-12k is about usual cruise alti
[20:08] <PE7ER> nice @ costyn !
[20:08] <costyn> daveake: ok ok.. you win
[20:08] <daveake> lol
[20:08] <craag_M0DNY> Thanks to all that persevered with sharp/fizzle today.
[20:08] <fsphil> that plane got buzzed
[20:09] <craag_M0DNY> Upu_M0UPU: Thanks for sorting out manual uploads.
[20:09] <daveake> hah
[20:09] <fsphil> great picture that
[20:09] <daveake> That was the flight where Upu photographed Gatwicj
[20:09] <daveake> k
[20:09] <Upu_M0UPU> I have a video
[20:09] <Upu_M0UPU> 1 sec I'd find it if Youtube didn't constantly screw up their interface
[20:09] <fsphil> new youtube is horrible
[20:10] <nigelvh> You guys and all your fancy payload names. I'm tempted to just name my flights BLAH
[20:10] <Upu_M0UPU> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxbvysNy1sc&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A&index=14
[20:10] <Upu_M0UPU> with volume
[20:10] <fsphil> nigelvh: or BALLOON
[20:10] <jcoxon> nigelvh, thats half the fun...
[20:10] <nigelvh> Balloon Launches Are High
[20:10] <Upu_M0UPU> :)
[20:10] <fsphil> "The balloon has burst!" "The payload or the balloon?" "Yes!"
[20:11] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: amazing video
[20:11] <jcoxon> fsphil, you are banned from mentioning the b***t word
[20:11] <jcoxon> i paniced
[20:11] <fsphil> lol, sorry. didn't think
[20:11] <jcoxon> hehe
[20:11] <daveake> hah. I hate it when that word is used when I have a balloon flying :)
[20:12] <jcoxon> pico is turning
[20:12] <NigeyS> jcoxon turning westwards a bit sharper now
[20:12] <fsphil> I shall call my next payload B***T
[20:12] <NigeyS> meh lol
[20:12] <costyn> fsphil: haha
[20:12] <Upu_M0UPU> So I'm emptying the car and the wife sticks her head out of the window earlier "ITS BURST!!"
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[20:12] <NigeyS> almost spot on with hysplit
[20:12] <jcoxon> hysplit is pretty accurate
[20:13] <NigeyS> that the same gfs data predictor etc uses ?
[20:13] <Upu_M0UPU> turning
[20:13] <jcoxon> considering its used to simulate biological/nuclear and chemical fallout
[20:13] <nigelvh> What, you mean begat? Beret, Bidet, Bleat, Boast, Bloat, Blunt, Boost, Brunt, Built, Burnt?
[20:13] <NigeyS> jcoxon, did not know that, cool !
[20:14] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:14] <jcoxon> bascially it simulates a single particle in the atmosphere
[20:14] <GMT> I made a long list of some flight-names, some have already been used, some not
[20:14] <jcoxon> helpfully you can assume the balloon is a single particle
[20:14] <NigeyS> ah right
[20:15] <fsphil> a really bloated particle
[20:15] <NigeyS> lol
[20:15] <NigeyS> so what's the power saving modes james, how have you set those? less tx on the radio after x time or .. ?
[20:16] <fsphil> what time was sunset there? I don't see any obvious changes in the altitude apart from the start of float
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL1> well, the particle resolution of hysplit is basically the GFS cell size, so hysplit particles are pretty big
[20:16] <jcoxon> NigeyS, no is a powersaving mode for hte gps itself
[20:16] <NigeyS> ahh got ya
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[20:16] <jcoxon> no change to the radio
[20:16] <jcoxon> hey Dan-K2VOL1
[20:16] <fsphil> ahoy there Dan-K2VOL1
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL1> hi there James
[20:16] <NigeyS> thats a good 30ma? ish ?
[20:16] <Dan-K2VOL1> phil, nigel :-)
[20:17] <NigeyS> hey Dan :)
[20:17] <jcoxon> so ideally it should be drawing about 50 - 60mA in total
[20:17] <HixPad> fsphil: Wouldn't it have to be B\*\*\*T
[20:17] <NigeyS> jcoxon, not bad at all
[20:17] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL1, check out hte early profile of Pico
[20:17] <jcoxon> very unusual
[20:18] <Dan-K2VOL1> loading now
[20:18] <fsphil> not sure dl-fldigi will like that HixPad :)
[20:18] <NigeyS> yeah Dan, have a stab at explaining that cause it was weird !!
[20:18] Action: jcoxon goes with trapped in an inversion layer
[20:18] <NigeyS> james you realise at 1 point it was at 34m right? lol
[20:18] Action: fsphil thinks aliens
[20:18] <jcoxon> yeah
[20:18] <jcoxon> not great
[20:18] <jcoxon> luckly suffolk is low lying
[20:19] <fsphil> what I don't understand is the sudden recovery
[20:19] <NigeyS> looked again it was 120ish, thought gps had lost lock and did that weird altitude thing!
[20:19] <Dan-K2VOL1> what was the weather like?
[20:19] <fsphil> it just shoots up like a rocket
[20:19] <number10_M0MDB> thats the point we were willing it to go up... seemed to work ;)
[20:19] <fsphil> hah
[20:19] <Dan-K2VOL1> and did pico report DOP?
[20:19] <fsphil> nobody usually sends DOP
[20:19] <fsphil> we probably shoud
[20:19] <fsphil> should
[20:19] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL1, no i didn't, sats were between 5 and 7
[20:19] <NigeyS> dop ? dilution .. ?
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL1> yeah, that will tell how irrelevant the GPS information is
[20:20] <jcoxon> nah it was pretty accurate
[20:20] <Dan-K2VOL1> NigeyS, it's the GPS accuracy
[20:20] <jcoxon> steve was driving under it
[20:20] <NigeyS> ohh
[20:20] <fsphil> with a big magnet
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL1> vertical DOP can be siginificantly different than horizontal DOP, if there's interference or only 2 or 3 sats being decoded
[20:21] <Dan-K2VOL1> anyway jcoxon what was the weather like at launch? temp, cloudcover
[20:21] <jcoxon> cloudcover though at about 800m
[20:21] <fsphil> that's a point, it might have gotten damp
[20:21] <jcoxon> was chilly, about 4 deg
[20:21] <jcoxon> C
[20:23] <Dan-K2VOL1> it behaves like it encountered a temperature inversion, or water weight, possibly a combination of both. The temperature inversion would hold it down until the helium inside reached ambient temperature
[20:24] <Dan-K2VOL1> if we can pull up a vertical temperature profile from nearby there, along with cloud bottoms/tops altitudes, that would be informative
[20:25] <HixPad> Mildenhall release met data?
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[20:27] <PE2G> Here you can find 12UTC soundings
[20:27] <PE2G> http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/europe.html
[20:27] <Upu_M0UPU> what's current dial on PICO ?
[20:28] <LazyLeopard> 434.348.6 here
[20:28] <Dan-K2VOL1> if someone could figure out the nearest station on this page, the TAF may have cloud levels: http://www.pilotfriend.com/av_weather/eurocasts/uk_aviation_weather.htm
[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[20:28] <Upu_M0UPU> below my horizon atm
[20:29] <PE7ER> yeay! , i got my raspi decoding RTTY now! (on shortwave for now)
[20:29] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Successfully recovering them near Beckley, NE of Oxford #UKHAS http://t.co/kdsIoiGRcP [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/307950835013410816]
[20:29] <Dan-K2VOL1> well look at that! a most visible temperature inversion: http://weather.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?region=europe&TYPE=TEXT%3ALIST&YEAR=2013&MONTH=03&FROM=0212&TO=0212&STNM=03354
[20:30] <jcoxon> wattisham would be accurate
[20:30] <jcoxon> about a mile ago
[20:30] <fsphil> what distro are you using PE7ER?
[20:30] <Dan-K2VOL1> notice how the temperature goes down for a bit, then rises again, then resumes falling
[20:31] <HixPad> RAF Marham maybe?
[20:31] Nick change: hessu_ -> hessu
[20:32] <PE7ER> the wheezy raspbian one, fsphil
[20:33] <fsphil> interesting
[20:33] <fsphil> will have to try again
[20:33] <Dan-K2VOL1> jcoxon, you could make the predictor warn about this sort of temp inversion behavior
[20:34] <fsphil> so the balloon gas was cooler than the air layer above it?
[20:35] <HixPad> Isn't balloon gas always going to be cool due to the depressurisation?
[20:35] <costyn> PE7ER: wait, so the raspi is running dl-fldigi?
[20:35] <fsphil> the altitude did seem to settle just before it rocketed up
[20:35] <PE7ER> no i have to try and find a way that it accepts audio from fm-sdr (pipe orsumtin?)
[20:35] <Dan-K2VOL1> fsphil, yes, that is very likely what happened
[20:35] <costyn> PE7ER: fm-sdr is running on the pi?
[20:35] <PE7ER> no the regular fldigi runs on it
[20:36] <fsphil> dl-fldigi shouldn't be any worse (well possibly the ssdv decoder will add a little cpu usage)
[20:36] <HixPad> dl-fldigi on a pi would be awesome
[20:36] <costyn> yep
[20:36] <PE7ER> i got both working on pi rtty 45 bd and fm-sdr on 434
[20:36] <fsphil> I'll have to try it again
[20:36] <Dan-K2VOL1> HixPad, that's called adiabatic cooling, and it's directly connected to your climb rate.
[20:36] <Dan-K2VOL1> so it will be less when you climb slower
[20:36] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Thanks to everyone who helped with the launch and tracking today, we are extremely grateful - Time to reflect #UKHAS http://t.co/yvvvt2LoLH [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/307952621707227136]
[20:37] <fsphil> this had a very slow ascent rate
[20:37] <Dan-K2VOL1> though the altitude peak and then settling down on the pico chart is possibly adiabatic cooled helium equalizing to ambient temperature
[20:37] <HixPad> Dan-K2VOL1: I was thinking that was probably what caused it till it settled
[20:38] <fsphil> would a break in the cloud have released it? (warming up the balloon/gas)
[20:38] <HixPad> Probably,
[20:38] <Upu_M0UPU> keep going Dan :)
[20:38] <Dan-K2VOL1> there's many possible reasons for the eventual rise -
[20:38] <HixPad> There are also anabatic and catabatic winds near coasts
[20:39] <fsphil> my theory of steve with a giant magnet that failed is looking unlikely
[20:39] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[20:39] <HixPad> Though in Suffolk not so much ;)
[20:40] <griffonbot> @SurreyNanosats: RT @ProjectBlast: Successfully recovering them near Beckley, NE of Oxford #UKHAS http://t.co/kdsIoiGRcP [http://twitter.com/SurreyNanosats/status/307953474400817152]
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> shedding accumulated liquid water, getting out of rain, having ice melt and shed, helium temperature rising (through solar input, or natural equalization with ambient air
[20:40] <Dan-K2VOL1> sounds like any of these things could have, and possibly all of these, happened today, with the temperatures seen there.
[20:40] <fsphil> I suspect Blast was the least the Blast team where saying today
[20:40] <HixPad> Magnet falling out of range, missed that ;)
[20:41] <HixPad> Heh fsphil
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> I think I managed to get my Pico through a hole in the clouds
[20:41] <fsphil> be interesting to see the state of PAVAs balloon
[20:41] <fsphil> if it's even still attached
[20:41] <costyn> yea what happened to pava? wasn't it supposed to float too?
[20:41] <Upu_M0UPU> Dan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADms_0dCKvI&list=UUGkq3Q2JQhN_ChjcPPwAW3A&index=1
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> costyn it did for a short period but then it rose too high and burst
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> I think there was alittle too much gas in
[20:42] <number10_M0MDB> and its not easy to do
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> its quite hard to judge
[20:42] <HixPad> Extra stirks
[20:42] <fsphil> a half stirk
[20:42] <Upu_M0UPU> they fill very quickly
[20:43] <number10_M0MDB> funny you say extra stirks - we were thinking that pico needed one or two to start with
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> of that
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> if that even
[20:43] <Dan-K2VOL1> nice launch, you did seem to escape the clouds upu!
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah it went up through the middle
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> was windy though
[20:43] <costyn> Upu_M0UPU: too many microstirks?
[20:43] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[20:44] <HixPad> Anyone know what thread the flexi bit is that goes into the BOC cylinder?
[20:44] <costyn> (sorry ,see that others made the stirks joke already)
[20:44] <HixPad> Wouldn't it be an upustirk not micro?
[20:44] <costyn> hehe
[20:44] <Upu_M0UPU> µ
[20:44] <fsphil> PICO now over the channel
[20:44] <costyn> µstirk :)
[20:45] <costyn> µpµstirk
[20:45] <HixPad> That's it can't do on pad
[20:45] <costyn> HixPad: copy/paste? :)
[20:45] <HixPad> Ball ache
[20:45] <HixPad> Sloooow
[20:46] <fsphil> neat, altgr+M gives me a µ on linux
[20:46] <fsphil> m even, M gives º
[20:46] <fsphil> whatever that is
[20:46] <HixPad> How far from Venlo costyn?
[20:46] <fsphil> all work fine costyn?
[20:47] <fsphil> your flight seems to have gone the smoothest of them all today
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[20:48] <HixPad> Anyone got any thoughts on my pikey quarter wave idea?
[20:48] <Upu_M0UPU> what was the idea HixPad I missed it
[20:49] <Upu_M0UPU> Geoff-G8DHE can you redo that image of PAVA with the last positions on ?
[20:49] <Upu_M0UPU> I.e like PAVA_5
[20:49] <HixPad> Strip 167mm of core from coax use sheath to attach radials and stick it up a pole on t'roof
[20:49] <Upu_M0UPU> yep that will work
[20:50] <HixPad> See my bit of local lingo there ;)
[20:50] <Upu_M0UPU> better just buy a SO259 panel mount plug
[20:50] <fsphil> that's basically the antenna I use on my payloads HixPad
[20:50] <Upu_M0UPU> bolt radials to the 4 mounting holes
[20:50] <Upu_M0UPU> and the element to the solder pin in the middle
[20:50] <Upu_M0UPU> you can then screw some coax into it
[20:51] <HixPad> Ok figured itd be an easy cheap ant test on the roof
[20:51] <daveake> Possibly of interest to some here :p - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/what-destroyed-the-hindenburg
[20:51] <HixPad> Performance would be acceptable wouldnt it?
[20:51] <Upu_M0UPU> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3380705199_e6f4b71366.jpg
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[20:52] <HixPad> Upu_M0UPU: Why are radials bent doon?
[20:53] <Upu_M0UPU> gives the best SWR when they are bent down at 45' i think
[20:53] <daveake> Impedance matching
[20:53] <Upu_M0UPU> thats just what you have on the payload but the other way up
[20:53] <costyn> fsphil: yes, it was a FLAWLESS VICTORY!
[20:53] <HixPad> Ok
[20:53] <fsphil> COSTYN... WINS
[20:54] <Upu_M0UPU> PICO isn't going quite as fast as AVA was over the channel
[20:54] <fsphil> sunday HABers
[20:54] <Upu_M0UPU> lol
[20:54] <costyn> HixPad: and err... http://goo.gl/maps/UzysE
[20:54] <HixPad> Oh btw Upu_M0UPU if you go through logs ive posted a Dropbox link which contains the ARRL handbook
[20:54] <Upu_M0UPU> ok thx
[20:54] <costyn> fsphil: :)
[20:55] <HixPad> costyn: :/
[20:56] <costyn> HixPad: well you were the only one making a prediction, so you win by default
[20:57] <HixPad> HIX WINS
[20:57] <costyn> :)
[20:58] <Laurenceb_> æßðK'j8Bø’“g¶eBB«»¢µº©Æ§ÐªJ&J&AÞؑ¥f®EA©¡[¼\]^"±°
[20:58] <costyn> I'm really tired after a long and exciting day... going to sleep. Thanks to all who tracked my flight today! Will post more pics and video soon
[20:58] <Steffanx> I totally agree Laurenceb_
[20:58] <Steffanx> When is the next flight costyn ? :)
[20:58] <fsphil> w'æg?
[20:59] <costyn> Steffanx: no idea
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[20:59] <Laurenceb_> A1N‘_‘X
[20:59] <costyn> fsphil: nice :)
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[20:59] <daveake> baud rate fail
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[21:00] <HixPad> Upu_M0UPU: 12:13 as can't copy the link
[21:00] <HixPad> iPad fail
[21:00] <Upu_M0UPU> hmm ?
[21:00] <HixPad> Time in today's log
[21:00] <Upu_M0UPU> lol ok
[21:00] <HixPad> Heh
[21:01] <fsphil> ah ha, PICO be turning
[21:03] <HixPad> Oym orf
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[21:03] <PE7ER> bye Costyn!
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[21:14] <griffonbot> @thecraag: Sorry for the lack of updates. This is what I had to put up just to get a GPRS connection at the launch site. #ukhas http://t.co/NHgFXXiwzj [http://twitter.com/thecraag/status/307962156786274304]
[21:14] <fsphil> cool
[21:14] <lz1dev> PCO stil flying?
[21:15] <lz1dev> PICO*
[21:15] <fsphil> it is indeed
[21:15] <lz1dev> whats the tx interval?
[21:15] <fsphil> continous i think, apart from the occasional radio reset
[21:16] <F5MVO> Hello, where i can find a PICO photos ?
[21:17] <number10_M0MDB> not many F5MVO http://www.flickr.com/photos/65839734@N04/sets/72157632899865900/
[21:17] <F5MVO> OK thanks
[21:18] <number10_M0MDB> no photos of payload unfortunatly
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[21:23] <F5MVO> number10_M0MDB : i can used the link on the french forum ?
[21:23] <number10_M0MDB> yes sure, I am sure jcoxon will not mind
[21:23] <jcoxon> no problem
[21:24] <F5MVO> ok thanks
[21:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> <Upu_M0UPU> Sorry just saw the request, busy doing a Pano of HABANERO, which wouldn't stitch! PAVA with last positions was it
[21:29] <Upu_M0UPU> if you have time thx
[21:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_6.jpg
[21:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is that the one ?
[21:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shout if you want a different view point
[21:31] <Upu_M0UPU> lovely thx
[21:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> That last point was 2E0 stations fix
[21:32] <LazyLeopard> Watch it plummet!
[21:32] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PAVA/PAVA_7.jpg Plummet !!!
[21:33] <F5MVO> what gps module have you using on Alpha ?
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[21:34] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> jeeeeez PICO is still going for it! very good signal
[21:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/PICO_10.jpg with HABANERO in the background
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> cool
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> predicted landing site? or is it too soon to know?
[21:36] <Upu_M0UPU> can I use this on my web page ? will link to you Geoff-G8DHE
[21:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> Any time you like, no problem with anybody using any of them!
[21:36] <chrisstubbs> Upu, did you recover? or is that tommorows mission?
[21:36] <NigeyS> chrisstubbs, itll float until batteries run out, itll head westwards more over the next few hours skirting the south coast
[21:37] <NigeyS> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13264_trj001.gif
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> ive never really understood the colours on thses hysplit models
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> do they indicate the path at different wind altitudes?
[21:39] <NigeyS> the red line
[21:39] <NigeyS> yup
[21:40] <NigeyS> 3500m AGL
[21:40] <NigeyS> then 4000, then 4500 etc etc
[21:41] <chrisstubbs> and hysplit is preferred to habhub predictor as it does not factor in a burst, simply the wind path?
[21:41] <jcoxon> yeah its only useful for float
[21:41] <jcoxon> you can use habhub predictor but it can't predict too far ahead
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> fair enough
[21:42] <chrisstubbs> whats the status on pAVA?
[21:43] <Upu_M0UPU> at in a field still TXing
[21:43] <Upu_M0UPU> sat
[21:44] <Upu_M0UPU> PICO nicely following Hysplit
[21:44] <NigeyS> yip
[21:45] <chrisstubbs> Good luck with recovery Upu_M0UPU
[21:45] <Upu_M0UPU> thanks chrisstubbs, I think kpiman may be going out tomorrow to have a look fro it
[21:46] <g6uim> anyone have an idea when pico might be in range of me? Will make sure I am at the PC even if I have to set an alarm
[21:46] <Dan-K2VOL> you should run hysplit in ISOBARIC mode
[21:46] <chrisstubbs> g6uim, whats your location?
[21:47] <Dan-K2VOL> as floating balloons aren't going to change altitudes significantly for vertical wind
[21:47] <jcoxon> g6uim, realsitically 6am
[21:47] <g6uim> Paignton, Torbay, Devon furthest SW station on the map
[21:48] <chrisstubbs> if the scale on hysplit is anything to go with, around midnight tonight
[21:48] <jcoxon> maybe 4am
[21:48] <fsphil> I'm not sure 4am really exists
[21:48] <jcoxon> just over 4 hours of float
[21:49] <chrisstubbs> realistically looking at the distance it has left to cover 4am sounds more reasonable than midnight
[21:49] <g6uim> ok will set my alarm clock for 4am and have a look and maybe reset for 6am depending
[21:51] <g7ogxchris> can someone give me an up to date freq pse?
[21:51] <daveake> same as hours ago :)
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> g7ogxchris, i have PICO on 434.349.56 still
[21:52] <g6uim> i am going to find out if 4am exists fsphil will report on it's existance tomorrow
[21:52] <g7ogxchris> lol yes outstanding stability
[21:52] <fsphil> you brave soul g6uim
[21:53] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, what black magic did you work on this payload to get the freq so solid?
[21:53] <Dan-K2VOL> any raw doppler radar available in the UK?
[21:53] <jcoxon> raintoday.co.uk
[21:53] <jcoxon> !
[21:53] <chrisstubbs> or is this just the general behaviour of the RFM22B
[21:53] <jcoxon> hoooray
[21:53] <jcoxon> chrisstubbs, no normally they are more drifty
[21:53] <g6uim> fsphil more likely I am mad
[21:53] <jcoxon> but i glued a block of polystyrene over the top
[21:54] <jcoxon> also as its floating the outside temp will be stable
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> I'm looking for a raw doppler output - without decluttering, and able to select the takeoff angle
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> might be able to see the balloon
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> since it's over the channel
[21:54] <Dan-K2VOL> should stand out
[21:54] <jcoxon> quite dark right now:-p
[21:54] <fsphil> it'll be monday by the time it reaches me (fingers crossed), sadly I'll be at work :/
[21:55] <jcoxon> such a slow flight...
[21:55] <Dan-K2VOL> Radar should be OK in the dark ;-)
[21:55] <jcoxon> oh i thought visually
[21:56] <g6uim> a group of students in the USA going for a paper plane launch from a balloon, asked them what had happened to the GPS lock, turns out they temperature protected by wrapping it in foil!
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[21:56] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/observations/#?tab=map&map=Rainfall&fcTime=1362216600&zoom=8&lon=0.45&lat=51.18
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[21:57] <Elmar_PD3EM> g6uim: LOL!
[21:58] <chrisstubbs> jcoxon, seems to have worked very well! i still have 5,7 readability here
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> jcoxon that output has been heavily filtered to remove clutter, which is what your balloon would appear like. Need a site that lets you select the very technical radar outputs
[21:58] <Dan-K2VOL> might not be publicly available there though
[21:59] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, nope can't find anything
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> looks like the met office processes all the radars: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/science/first-steps/observations/rainfall-radar
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> "Processing at the Met Office normally removes:
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> " permanent echoes or reflections from hills and buildings (known as clutter**),
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> " anomalous propagation (anaprop) which often occurs in anticyclonic conditions,
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> " the strong echoes produced when falling snow starts to melt to rain.
[22:00] <Dan-K2VOL> "
[22:00] <Elmar_PD3EM> jcoxon: will your pico be a boomerang-pico again? ;-)
[22:01] <jcoxon> Dan-K2VOL, boo
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[22:03] <chrisstubbs> NIMROD radar data mean anything to anyone: http://bit.ly/YUuBil
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[22:04] <Dan-K2VOL> well chrisstubbs I'm not sure for today's looking, but there's some very cool data in there
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[22:11] <jcoxon> strange, login into my remote station causes interferance on the radio
[22:11] <jcoxon> didn't earlier today
[22:14] <F5MVO> just for info : 03808 Camborne Observations at 12Z 02 Mar 2013 3452m -7.5 celsius
[22:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> <g6uim> Here is a view from 2Km above Paignton at present, you can just see PICO http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/PICO/Pico_from_Paignton.jpg
[22:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> With that I shall leave the gear running and see what has appeared by morning! CUL
[22:16] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, night
[22:16] <F5MVO> and the last night -7.9 celsius
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[22:17] <g6uim> if you look up g6uim on APRS.FI would give my exact location
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[22:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is your mast 2Km tall ;-) Another hour or two I think !
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh its dropped!
[22:18] <g6uim> i need a tethered balloon here
[22:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Phew just a glitch
[22:19] <jcoxon> Geoff-G8DHE, you panicked me again
[22:20] <g6uim> going to move my antenna currently ENE but I think E would be better, really need to get it on a rotator
[22:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> So did I, with 73's
[22:24] <g7ogxchris> g night
[22:24] <g7ogxchris> leaving gear on o/o
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[22:24] <g7ogxchris> o/n
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[22:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn and good luck to pico.
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[22:35] <Jess--> anyone tried varying tx power to save power (running 5 levels up to 11db)
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[22:38] <griffonbot> @tehanomalousone: RT @ProjectBlast: Thanks to everyone who helped with the launch and tracking today, we are extremely grateful - Time to reflect #UKHAS h ... [http://twitter.com/tehanomalousone/status/307983151593033728]
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[22:39] <jcoxon> Jess--, yeah its been done before
[22:40] <jcoxon> certainly when there are lots of stations listening you could drop it quite a bit
[22:40] <jcoxon> say down to 5mW
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[22:42] <Jess--> I was thinking 1 string 2mw, 1 string 4mw 1 string 6mw etc on a loop
[22:42] <Upu_M0UPU> RFm22B can be a little unstable when switching power levels
[22:43] <Upu_M0UPU> and compared to the GPS it doesn't make much difference
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[22:46] <Jess--> I'm seeing 150hz shift when dropping from 10mw to 2mw and then ramping back up in 10 second / 2mw steps... too much?
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[22:50] <Upu_M0UPU> like I said not very stable
[22:50] <Upu_M0UPU> just leave it at ~10mW
[22:53] <nigelvh> Power usage at 10mW is minimal anyway.
[22:55] <Jess--> will certainly be looking at jcoxon's polystyrene on the rfm22 idea, pico is the most stable signal i've seen
[22:55] <Upu_M0UPU> close contact insulation is whats needed
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[22:56] <Jess--> must resist the temptation to put a drop of expanding foam on it
[22:57] <Upu_M0UPU> nah
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> id drop candle wax on the oscillator
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> and maybe the rfm
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> it has a high thermal mass
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[23:04] <fsphil> there's some propagation tonight, just had BBC Radio Scotland on the rtl-sdr
[23:05] <fsphil> about 400km away
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[23:06] <GMT> (I'm back after watching a film for 3 hrs)
[23:06] <fsphil> re!
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[23:07] <eroomde> GMT: which film?
[23:08] <GMT> Dark Knight Rises
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[23:11] <Willdude123> Night! I'm off to bed.
[23:12] <eroomde> GMT: cool
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[23:12] <eroomde> i finally saw that recently on a flight
[23:12] <eroomde> on a fuzzy small screen
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[23:12] <eroomde> as christopher nolan originally intended
[23:12] <GMT> when I was working I couldn't get to a cinema to see it, a friend lent me DVD
[23:13] <Willdude123> I remember the old Virgin Atlantic entertainment system.
[23:13] <GMT> People said tit was not so good, was too long ... I was impressed, very good; lots of 'twists'
[23:13] <Willdude123> They ran off VCRs and they weren't on demand, so you had to wait until it was shown.
[23:14] <GMT> the ent systems on A380s are incredible
[23:15] <Laurenceb_> i heard getting that working is what delayed the project
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[23:15] <GMT> no not really, ent systems are down to customer/airline requirements
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/khaosworks/2403415356/
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> also it seems to run linux
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> perfect raw material for trolling
[23:16] <Randomskk> some of them run android iirc
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> awesome
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> useful flamewar ammo
[23:17] <GMT> ah, the ent system re-boot, hopefully at start of flight
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[23:17] <GMT> the screen on Emirates is better, has a USB port so you can recharge devices!
[23:18] <Upu_M0UPU> what time was the payload powered on jcoxon ?
[23:19] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: mental quantities of SSD storage too
[23:19] <Randomskk> gigs per seat at the seat and much more in the central thing
[23:19] <Randomskk> shedload of high capacity interseat networking
[23:19] <Randomskk> really quite cool
[23:19] <jcoxon> about 1415
[23:19] <Randomskk> I've been on long haul flights where the only entertainment was a single projection screen in the middle of the cabin
[23:20] <Randomskk> one channel...
[23:20] <fsphil> Quantas provide really horrible headphones
[23:20] <GMT> Thai Airways?
[23:20] <Randomskk> and you were lucky if you could see it
[23:20] <Randomskk> nah, I forgot who. while ago.
[23:20] <Upu_M0UPU> fingers crossed it will still be up in the morning
[23:20] <Upu_M0UPU> night all
[23:20] <fsphil> g'nite Upu_M0UPU!
[23:20] <Randomskk> BA business long haul gives you sound cancelling headphones sometimes, that was nice
[23:20] <GMT> gn Antony
[23:20] <Randomskk> BA 1st gives you freshly cooked salmon served off the tray onto your china plate
[23:21] <Randomskk> that was something
[23:21] <GMT> Virgin Upper & Business get noise-cancelling 'phones
[23:21] <fsphil> I had my own headphones but forgot they have those stupid 2x jack sockets
[23:22] <Randomskk> those are so crap
[23:22] <Randomskk> a lot don't any more
[23:22] <fsphil> there's no reason for them
[23:23] <Randomskk> no technical reason :P
[23:23] <fsphil> the entertainment system was pretty good otherwise. even had a camera in the tail, looking down on the plane
[23:23] <Randomskk> that's cool
[23:24] <fsphil> do noice cancelling headphones work ok on a plane?
[23:24] <fsphil> noise*
[23:24] <Randomskk> they work amazingly
[23:24] <Randomskk> engine noise is perfect for noise cancelling algorithms
[23:25] <fsphil> good to know. I didn't wanna risk it, they're a tad expensive
[23:25] <fsphil> but if they work, it's worth it
[23:25] <Darkside> just get in-ear earphones
[23:26] <Darkside> you don't need noise cancelling with them
[23:26] <Randomskk> they're definitely not as good or as comfortable
[23:26] <Randomskk> especially long duration
[23:26] <LazyLeopard> Heh. Funny how old flickr stuff comes round. ;)
[23:26] <Darkside> you get used to them
[23:26] <Darkside> I have a set of Etymotic NC-5'
[23:26] <Darkside> MC-5s*
[23:26] <fsphil> I had in-ear onces, they didn't do that well
[23:26] <Darkside> they go deeeep into my ear
[23:26] <Darkside> its excellent
[23:26] <jcoxon> 6 hours of float now
[23:26] <Elwell> fsphil: I splashed out on a pair of expensive noise cancelling ones - worth every penny after 2 long hauls
[23:27] <Elwell> and good in the data centre too
[23:27] <fsphil> what model if you don't mind me asking?
[23:27] <Elwell> bose qc15s
[23:27] <gonzo__> pico is still officially over the horison for me, but getting sigs now.
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[23:27] <gonzo__> (and foung another 3db of NF, whoicg helps)
[23:27] <fsphil> gonzo__: I was getting bbc radio scotland earlier, from the north of scotland
[23:27] <Elwell> got em from dixons at LHR - and grabbed worldpoints on em too
[23:28] <gonzo__> bit of tropo phil?
[23:28] <fsphil> think so gonzo__, it's faded a bit now. can still hear it but only just
[23:28] <fsphil> I'm listening out for pico just in case
[23:29] <gonzo__> I'm only 10 miles or so outside of the predicted horizon, so could just be the accuract of the map
[23:31] <Elwell> what's 'navmode' in the tracker?
[23:32] <g6uim> is there a way of getting the data direct rather than viewing on the spacenear.us site?
[23:32] <fsphil> how do you mean direct?
[23:32] <jcoxon> g6uim, http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
[23:32] <fsphil> Elwell: ublox navagation mode
[23:33] <jcoxon> and if you want from previous flights: http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
[23:33] <Randomskk> g6uim: or if you want to get live flight data for your own code, there's an API.
[23:33] <Randomskk> (you can also use ept ^ for currently running flights. the URL it gives you will always be up to date, so you can just hit that to get CSV formatted data etc)
[23:34] <jcoxon> gonzo__, the horizon is approaching you...
[23:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - UoS Physics Outreach, New Forest,
[23:36] <eroomde> the sky above europe is full of balls
[23:37] <jcoxon> haha
[23:38] <NigeyS> looking good james
[23:39] <g6uim> What I mean by direct is to get the data stream from an internet source as it would come from the Balloon itself, I looked at the Habitat site and said failed parsing but had passed UKHAS. I would like to look into doing something that allowed me to monitor
[23:39] <eroomde> for noise cancelling, squishees + earmufs are pretty good
[23:40] <eroomde> use that combo when outside during big rocket firings
[23:41] <eroomde> the sort that would leave you deaf for a few hours afterwards, which happened to the last person who insisted he didn't need them
[23:42] <jcoxon> g6uim, so you can access teh data on the server using the API
[23:42] <g6uim> without a webpage open, kind of a balloon flying and now in range small box thats is out of the way on screen, with possibly all the info I need should it come in range
[23:43] <jcoxon> okay, yeah so you could easily access the data with some code
[23:43] <jcoxon> like the code that does HabRotate
[23:43] <jcoxon> (which gets data from the server and rotates a yagi to point)
[23:45] <NigeyS> jcoxon, updated with 18:00 GFS, shifted a bit http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19347_trj001.gif
[23:45] <NigeyS> going to be right over me.. and totally avoid ireland :|
[23:46] <g6uim> ok thats sounds good, I guess I need to find the api on the habitat site.
[23:46] <jcoxon> ng6http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[23:46] <jcoxon> oops
[23:46] <jcoxon> g6uim, http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[23:46] <jcoxon> NigeyS, so should make landfall again around 10am
[23:46] <g6uim> thanks will look into that
[23:46] <Randomskk> http://habitat.readthedocs.org/en/latest/database.html in particular g6uim
[23:47] <NigeyS> yup James roughly 10 / 10:30 .. still a nice track up to norway mind, just going further east earlier
[23:49] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/15348_trj001.gif
[23:49] <jcoxon> slightly different as i've put the correct vertical motion calculation setting
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[23:50] <NigeyS> ahh that helps
[23:50] <NigeyS> but no, we were both wrong, wont make land till about 2 / 3pm ?
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[23:53] <jcoxon> indeed
[23:54] <NigeyS> it'll be all lonely
[23:55] <jcoxon> so slow
[23:55] <fsphil> so very slow
[23:55] <NigeyS> yup :(
[23:55] <fsphil> not used to it
[23:56] <NigeyS> wonder what the ground speed is roughly
[23:56] <g6uim> probably not worth me getting up at 4am then from the current prediction and I was so looking forward to it
[23:57] <NigeyS> g6uim, you may still pick it up early afternoon
[23:59] <NigeyS> fsphil, couple of these 1w leds on there would be fun, have ships in the channel thinking ufo's are about!
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