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[06:46] <arko> this is fun
[06:46] <arko> uv, lasers, fog machine, habs
[06:58] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEJnAuZD8ww&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[06:58] <arko> we are "simulating" cloud conditions :P
[07:04] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "[UKHAS] Pico Launch this weekend (2/3 March)"
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[07:12] <nosebleedkt> good morning from sunny greece :D
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[07:24] <griffonbot> Received email: David Akerman "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton, Monday 25th and
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[07:33] <arko> good morning nosebleedkt
[07:33] <nigelvh> Evening all
[07:34] <nigelvh> I'm playing with Asterisk and looking forward to the flights.
[07:34] Action: fsphil is trying to wake up
[07:34] <fsphil> morning :)
[07:34] <nigelvh> How's things fsphil?
[07:34] <arko> sup fsphil
[07:35] <fsphil> to early to say nigelvh. takes a while for brain to kick in
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[07:35] <nigelvh> Evening daveake
[07:35] <nigelvh> Looking forward to the flights.
[07:35] <arko> whats flying today?
[07:35] <nigelvh> I take it you're not much of a morning person fsphil?
[07:35] <fsphil> morning/evenin arko
[07:35] <fsphil> oh definitly not
[07:35] <arko> ssuupp
[07:36] <arko> im in party mode
[07:36] <fsphil> me and mornings agree to disagree
[07:36] <arko> :)
[07:36] <arko> hence the video above
[07:36] <fsphil> everyone loves lasers
[07:36] <nigelvh> I tend to be a whenever person. As long as I get the required sleep, once I'm up, I'm up.
[07:36] <arko> we are having a radio setup party
[07:37] <arko> booze, lasers, music, radios/pcs
[07:37] <arko> pc's
[07:37] <daveake> morn/even/ing
[07:37] <nigelvh> Just about time to start on the flight code daveake?
[07:37] <daveake> booze and lasers? Sounds like a winning combination
[07:37] <daveake> lol No did that yesterday :p
[07:37] <arko> daveake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEJnAuZD8ww&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[07:37] <nigelvh> Ahead of schedule!
[07:37] <fsphil> haha
[07:37] <daveake> yup
[07:38] <arko> is there an audio stream i can attempt to decode myself?
[07:39] <nigelvh> I'd similarly be interested in that.
[07:39] <arko> i can close my eyes and pretend im in the uk :P
[07:41] <daveake> globaltuners?
[07:41] <arko> some audio stream so i can practice tracking with dl-fldigi
[07:41] <nigelvh> globaltuners requires the registration which takes a while
[07:42] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton, Monday 25th and
[07:42] <arko> people dont just stream the audio on 434.075?
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[07:47] <nigelvh> What's the frequency of an FM radio station near london?
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[07:48] <nigelvh> NVM. I guessed at 100.7MHz and found something. Apparently the SDR I found on globaltuners is working properly.
[07:49] <fsphil> I could setup a stream but I'm quite far away
[07:49] <nigelvh> Where's the launch happening?
[07:51] <fsphil> Brightwalton
[07:52] <daveake> No-one here knows where that is, let alone the USA :)
[07:52] <fsphil> lol
[07:52] <fsphil> half way between Bristol and London
[07:52] <daveake> yup
[07:53] <fsphil> I passed it in the train from cardiff I think
[07:53] <arko> when is the launch?
[07:54] <nigelvh> Alright, closest reciever i found online is West London
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[07:56] <daveake> Flightpath is west, overall, so one near Bristol would be better
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[07:57] <nigelvh> There was one up a good bit farther north, and a couple that seemed to be along the eastern coast.
[07:57] <nigelvh> If I'm interpreting things correctly.
[07:58] <nigelvh> Kent, Cheshire, Isle of Man, London West, Nr Dover
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[08:01] <costyn> arko: 1st launch is at around 10 GMT, so 2 hours from now... are you gonna be able to stay awake?
[08:02] <arko> nope :(
[08:03] <number10> flight details in fldigi - we have two AVA docs, hyperion and oernene - I presume Upu is flying AVA sans ARPS
[08:03] <costyn> number10: indeed
[08:03] <number10> and daveakes pi has an ava tracker on it I guess it doesnt have the call sign ava
[08:05] <daveake> Yeah it's PAVA on mine
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[08:06] <number10> its a bit early but an update on the space would be handy
[08:06] <number10> spacenear tracker
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[08:19] <fsphil> think steve would mind if I cleared those flights?
[08:22] <Upu> morning all
[08:22] <fsphil> g'morning
[08:23] <fsphil> how's the weather down there today?
[08:23] <Upu> would tell you if I could see more than 10 meters
[08:23] <Upu> "grey"
[08:23] <Upu> do you have access to spacenear.us fsphil ?
[08:23] <fsphil> not the server, I can only clear flights
[08:24] <fsphil> I have a key but it doesn't work
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[08:26] <number10> I didnt man delete the flights fsphil just the box that details the next flight frequencies would be goo
[08:26] <number10> d
[08:26] <number10> mean
[08:27] <fsphil> changing that in a second too
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[08:33] <S_Mark_> \nick S_Mark
[08:34] <jonsowman> /
[08:34] <S_Mark_> lol yes too early in the morn
[08:34] <jonsowman> :)
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[08:41] <costyn> out of curiousity, is it possible to get 425 shift on an rfm22b? using the shift registry?
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[08:54] <Upu> close
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[09:21] <NickB1> Prediction for AVA looks sweet
[09:21] <NickB1> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=12e5d7b9b4bddba9e35efab743fd35ba7edc159e
[09:22] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re : Re: [UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton, Monday 25th and Tuesday 26th February"
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[09:27] <costyn> NickB1: nice
[09:27] <costyn> NickB1: coming into our territory :)
[09:27] <costyn> NickB1: when are you going to launch? and are you doing a pico or fullsize?
[09:28] <NickB1> costyn: going to do a pico launch
[09:28] <NickB1> but somewhere next month
[09:29] <NickB1> got the boards back this week
[09:29] <costyn> NickB1: I'm doing a 1200g this saturday. will land near eindhoven
[09:29] <costyn> NickB1: http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1566654415b5a91de59df16d3d10547e26b3bd34
[09:29] <NickB1> ah great
[09:29] <NickB1> thats close :)
[09:30] <NickB1> no need for the yagi
[09:30] <costyn> :)
[09:30] <NickB1> is it an arduino board?
[09:30] <costyn> 2 payloads under 1 balloon, both arduino... one pro mini and a seeedstudio stalker
[09:32] <NickB1> thats redundant :)
[09:33] <costyn> yea... well main payload is the stalker, and the pro mini (90g including packaging) is going along as a test, if it works ok, I'll send it alone up on another 1200 and let it float or try to reach a nice high altitude
[09:35] <x-f> costyn, your landing site - http://i.imgur.com/sPK3DMZ.jpg - what is that?
[09:35] <costyn> x-f: I have no idea
[09:35] <costyn> freaky
[09:36] <costyn> looks like a reflection of the sun off of a window
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[09:37] <costyn> sun is somewhat low on the horizon, I can't think of another explanation
[09:37] <x-f> could be
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[09:39] <costyn> hmm no streetview for that street either
[09:39] <costyn> fishy
[09:42] <number10> damn BT connection at home keeps dropping - cant VNC to track now :(
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[09:58] <fsphil> strand-1 seems to be going well
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[10:01] <Upu_M0UPU> hi
[10:01] <Upu_M0UPU> atlaunch site
[10:01] <radim_OM2AMR> good luck Upu !
[10:02] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[10:03] <Upu_M0UPU> stream shortly
[10:04] <junderwood_M0JCU> dial freq for the first one?
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> will advise
[10:05] <Upu_M0UPU> stream up
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[10:08] <Upu_M0UPU> stream working ?
[10:08] <fsphil> checking
[10:09] <S_Mark> nothing on batc
[10:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Nothing there
[10:09] <S_Mark> says streaming but no video
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[10:09] <fsphil> yea nothing here
[10:09] <domlin> haihai
[10:10] <fsphil> howdy domlin
[10:10] <Upu_M0UPU> daves forgotten his balloon
[10:10] <Upu_M0UPU> its the live UKHAS stream
[10:10] <fsphil> fire him!
[10:10] <Upu_M0UPU> not the normal M0UPU one
[10:10] <fsphil> ah, live events
[10:10] <fsphil> not running there either
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[10:11] <Upu_M0UPU> now ?
[10:12] <fsphil> nothing yet
[10:12] <S_Mark> no
[10:12] <Upu_M0UPU> k 1 sec
[10:13] <NickB1> good luck upu
[10:13] <NickB1> got a link for the stream?
[10:13] <GMT> maybe it's still dark where they are?
[10:13] <Upu_M0UPU> ok try M0UPU stream
[10:14] <fsphil> that works
[10:14] <fsphil> or did
[10:14] <fsphil> ah going again
[10:14] <fsphil> a bit buffery
[10:14] <fsphil> http://batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768&ch=5
[10:15] <fsphil> guessing 1000UTC was optimistic :)
[10:16] <Upu_M0UPU> 434.450 AVA
[10:16] <Elwell> batc needs a small pop-out viewer
[10:17] <Elwell> (or VNC URL)
[10:17] <fsphil> I tried to find a url for it, no luck
[10:22] <S_Mark> is dave going to launch still?
[10:22] <fsphil> yep
[10:23] <Upu_M0UPU> villinb
[10:23] <Upu_M0UPU> filling
[10:24] <radim_OM2AMR> minus some stirks please :-)
[10:26] <x-f> windy :/
[10:26] <radim_OM2AMR> not good for underfilled balloon :-(
[10:28] <Elwell> hydrogen fill?
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[10:28] <radim_OM2AMR> red cylinder, probably yes
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[10:29] <fsphil> yea, H2
[10:30] <Elwell> so - large fill cylinder and v small extinguisher next to it? sod that I'm for the RUN AWAY method
[10:32] <mfa298> I've always thought of fire extinguishers as being there to help with running away (e.g battering ram, hammer for breaking a window etc)
[10:34] <nigelvh> Looks to be inflated...
[10:34] <mattbrejza> i think the fire extinghuisher is actually in case daveake 's power hungry rpi and batteries sets the case on fire rather than a little bit of melting
[10:34] <GMT> there it goes
[10:34] <Upu_M0UPU> up
[10:34] <junderwood_M0JCU> dial freq is 434.453
[10:35] <daveake> true mattbrejza :)
[10:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> good solid signal
[10:36] <Upu_M0UPU> test
[10:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> 10 milli whats?
[10:36] <Upu_M0UPU> 3g is crap today
[10:37] <Upu_M0UPU> rfm22b 10mw
[10:37] <fsphil> nice ascent rate
[10:37] <Upu_M0UPU> what is ascent ?
[10:37] <fsphil> about 2m/s
[10:37] <mattbrejza> 1.5
[10:38] <Upu_M0UPU> we aimed for 2
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[10:38] <Upu_M0UPU> aprs should stay at 38
[10:38] <GMT> AVA just becoming audible in London
[10:38] <mattbrejza> so you couldnt work out in time if aprs was allowed in france so you ditched it for now?
[10:39] <LazyL_M0LEP> Came up quite fast
[10:39] <mattbrejza> rate is around 2 now
[10:39] <Upu_M0UPU> yep
[10:40] <mattbrejza> didnt think it was worth turning it off for france?
[10:41] <Upu_M0UPU> it was glued ikn
[10:41] <Upu_M0UPU> in
[10:41] <Upu_M0UPU> this is actually a PAVA board
[10:41] <Upu_M0UPU> running the APRS firmware
[10:42] <Upu_M0UPU> so still have the APRS sat at home
[10:42] <Upu_M0UPU> its good for 45 hours
[10:42] <Upu_M0UPU> powered up @ 9am
[10:42] <mattbrejza> oh ok
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[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha starting to hear AVA no decodes yet
[10:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Decode
[10:49] <nigelvh> Alright, evening guys. Waaay past bed time here, so I'll catch y'all later!
[10:49] <fsphil> g'nite nigelvh
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> 73's
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[10:50] <g7ogxchris> can i have an actual freq sor ssdv please never done this b4?
[10:51] <fsphil> it's not launched yet
[10:51] <fsphil> but it will be on 434.075
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Someone knocked the camera
[10:51] <fsphil> do be aware that it's 600 baud, and may be a bit more difficult than the previous ssdv launches
[10:51] <g7ogxchris> on there getting sector scan type noise
[10:51] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: that's the payload view :)
[10:52] <GMT> anything special need to be set in FL-DIGI for SSD?
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Poor payload
[10:52] <fsphil> just be running the latest version GMT
[10:52] <daveake> Payload video stream on now
[10:52] <daveake> It's on the M0UPU channel
[10:52] <g7ogxchris> and have ssdv pic open?
[10:52] <fsphil> it should detect and upload ssdv packets automatically
[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> and enable on the config "Enable" tab ?
[10:52] <fsphil> yea "View -> SSDV RX"
[10:52] <fsphil> it'll still upload the data if that's not opened
[10:52] <fsphil> but it's nice to see what you're receiving
[10:53] <daveake> SSDV will happen during flight ... it will/should stop the batc stream and start taking stills for SSDV
[10:53] <GMT> ok, tks, only encountered SSDV once before
[10:53] <daveake> so far so good, but this is a fairly ambitious flight so don't be surprised if something goes wrong :)
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[10:53] <fsphil> hah
[10:53] <fsphil> I believe in you
[10:54] <fsphil> I will however not make any predictions
[10:54] <g7ogxchris> no enable in config drop down
[10:54] <g7ogxchris> just like everything then...they may go down as well as up!
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_1.jpg
[10:57] <costyn> any other options for virtual audio cable for windows?
[10:58] <costyn> nvm
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/capature.jpg for VAC settings
[10:58] <costyn> it's in the wiki of course :)
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/capture.jpg for VAC settings
[10:58] <fsphil> an actual audio cable perhaps :)
[10:59] <g7ogxchris> i have VACs running here if i can help?
[10:59] <g7ogxchris> i can see the tardis it must be bigger inside
[11:00] <costyn> trying jack now
[11:01] <costyn> can't hear the payload yet, still over the horizon
[11:01] <gonzo__> do we have a freq for AVA? I'm confused by the long thread in the emails
[11:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434,453,500
[11:02] <fsphil> check the top of spacenear.us gonzo__
[11:02] <gonzo__> ta
[11:02] <gonzo__> pft, forgot the obvious phil!
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[11:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_2.jpg
[11:06] <fsphil> the tardis looks great
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[11:07] <Upu_M0UPU> it looks amazing seriously
[11:08] <fsphil> the stream has stopped
[11:08] <Upu_M0UPU> yeah
[11:08] <Upu_M0UPU> it keeps dropping out
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hit the Watch again to restart it
[11:08] <fsphil> ah that worked
[11:08] <fsphil> thanks Geoff-G8DHE
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> stream up ?
[11:10] <fsphil> seems to be
[11:10] <Upu_M0UPU> ta
[11:10] <fsphil> yea
[11:10] <daveake> Yeah we lost it when the payload was in the car
[11:10] <daveake> just refresh it'll work
[11:11] <Upu_M0UPU> ok filling
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[11:17] <craag> morning andrew_M0SOT
[11:17] <andrew_M0SOT> morning craag
[11:18] <andrew_M0SOT> have you got a dial freq for ava?
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[11:19] <craag> ~434.456
[11:19] <gonzo__> .453 here
[11:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_3.jpg
[11:21] <andrew_M0SOT> think I've got it on .4531
[11:22] <craag> I'm using FCD with websdr, so probably a couple of khz off.
[11:23] <andrew_M0SOT> makes sense :)
[11:24] <andrew_M0SOT> I really need to get my fasthead preamp sorted - 15 meters of RG8(mini) isn't hel;ping me at all here :P
[11:24] <andrew_M0SOT> *masthead
[11:24] <craag> What's up with it?
[11:25] <andrew_M0SOT> the bias tee I made to power it over coax seems to screw with the signal - I think I picked the wrong inductor for it
[11:25] <andrew_M0SOT> so the only way to use the preamp is to put a battery up in the roof, which is a lot of effort
[11:25] <craag> Ah darn. Might be too much parasitic capacitance.
[11:26] <andrew_M0SOT> quite possibly
[11:26] <craag> We should get a lab session organized with the rf test gear at some point, I've got a few similar issues I'd like to take a look at.
[11:26] <andrew_M0SOT> that would be great
[11:26] <mattbrejza> who has RF test gear they dont mind letting people use?
[11:27] <craag> ermm I thought there was some kicking about in L2 labs.. and denis has said he should be able to get us use of stuff as well.
[11:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_4.jpg
[11:28] <craag> I'll ask him next time I see him.
[11:28] <mattbrejza> i suppose there might be some older stuff knocking about
[11:29] <mattbrejza> i think nano group has some but good luck trying to get access for a bit
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[11:31] <craag> Any old network analyzer would do. Even Denis's TDR meter would be a start.
[11:32] <mattbrejza> yea
[11:33] <gonzo__> a ferrite bead with a few turns of kynar is usually good enough for UHF decoupling
[11:35] <andrew_M0SOT> interesting, might have to give that a try
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[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> ok
[11:36] <Upu_M0UPU> going up soon
[11:36] <andrew_M0SOT> I tried using http://onecall.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?CMP=i-ddd7-00001003&sku=1865878 and http://onecall.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?CMP=i-ddd7-00001003&sku=1865906, but neither seemed that great
[11:39] <gonzo__> can't see the pi payload on the fldigi list?
[11:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Pie in the Sky
[11:40] <x-f> it's up!
[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Foggy
[11:41] <x-f> this is about how i imagine England
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> It is today!
[11:42] <x-f> lost 3G signal already :/
[11:42] <GMT> England is always grey; if it's not grey, it's wet
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lost it ?
[11:43] <fsphil> I missed it. typical
[11:43] <daveake> yeah the mast is quite close so it went above that quite quickly
[11:43] <daveake> We got on a camcorder
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> 303m on the screen when it froze
[11:43] <fsphil> it's tricky to get a 3G connection in the time vortex
[11:44] <daveake> Camera angle not perfect but it worked so I'm happy :)
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[11:44] <mattbrejza> 434.305 pava
[11:45] <lz1dev> Upu_M0UPU: no APRS right?
[11:45] <Upu_M0UPU> cxorrect
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> what is the shift on PIE4
[11:46] <gonzo__> should pi be in the fldigi list?
[11:47] <gonzo__> of will ssdv auto decode to phiol's server?
[11:47] <fsphil> any packets your client decodes will get uploaded, assuming the url is correct and you're in online mode
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wow something there but not sure its PAVA
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[11:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> Pava is a strong signal - just not where it's supposed to be!
[11:50] <gonzo__> ta phil
[11:50] <g7ogxchris> ava strong sigs here
[11:50] <gonzo__> direction or freq junderwood_M0JCU
[11:50] <junderwood_M0JCU> 434.306 for PAVA
[11:51] <gonzo__> what's a few kc between friends
[11:51] <junderwood_M0JCU> had to choose experimental payloads
[11:51] <mattbrejza> im decoding pie but uploading packets is a bit slow
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> How wide is it ?
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> pava has a test antenna on
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> which we thought was interfereing with GPS
[11:51] <mattbrejza> the altitdude on fldigi is 3700 but on spacenear only 2900
[11:51] <Upu_M0UPU> thought confirmed
[11:51] Action: costyn still waiting for AVA to come over the horizon, although PIE will probably overtake it
[11:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm getting a signal buts its 16KHz wide!!!
[11:51] <mattbrejza> na its 600 wide for pie
[11:51] <fsphil> that's not it :)
[11:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not going to here it then something sat on top of the channel my way :-(
[11:52] <fsphil> there's quite a loud signal not far from where ava should be
[11:52] <mattbrejza> is tehre supposed to be ssdv or only after a little wihile?
[11:52] <fsphil> above 4km mattbrejza
[11:52] <mattbrejza> ah
[11:53] <x-f> 4.1 km now
[11:53] <fsphil> the 600 baud working ok?
[11:53] <mattbrejza> 4.3km
[11:53] <mattbrejza> yea its fine, not sure if all my packets make it to spacenear though
[11:53] <fsphil> astra?
[11:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_5 .jpg coming up on the Bristol Channel
[11:54] <Upu_M0UPU> back soon
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[11:55] <costyn> are PIE and PAVA under the same balloon?
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_1.jpg
[11:55] <fsphil> the are
[11:55] <fsphil> +y
[11:55] <fsphil> strange it's not sending out images
[11:56] <costyn> fsphil: thx
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[11:58] <fsphil> ah here we go
[11:58] <fsphil> image data
[11:58] <x-f> heh :)
[11:58] <costyn> it was supposed to start working after 4KM
[11:59] <fsphil> wibbly wobbly timey wimey
[11:59] <mattbrejza> should have used a 650 ntx2...
[11:59] <fsphil> oh man that looks brilliant
[11:59] <mattbrejza> i need to increase the colour depth on my remote destkop i think
[12:01] <g7ogxchris> PAVA 434.300.2
[12:02] <fsphil> AVA just appearing on my waterfall
[12:02] <fsphil> 470hz shift
[12:02] <g7ogxchris> S/N 16dB
[12:02] <g7ogxchris> 478 Hz here lol
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[12:03] <g7ogxchris> no ssdv rx here
[12:04] <GMT> what mode do I set in fldigi ... rtty?
[12:04] <fsphil> you need to be running dl-fldigi GMT
[12:04] <GMT> i am
[12:04] <fsphil> it has an autoconfigure button
[12:04] <fsphil> select the payload, autoconfigure
[12:04] <mattbrejza> rtty 600 baud 600 shift 8 data
[12:04] <mattbrejza> .0683
[12:05] <costyn> as slow as AVA is, PAVA and PIE are rocketing upwards :)
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[12:07] <fsphil> first decode from AVA here
[12:07] <g7ogxchris> PAVA moving down in freq
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[12:08] <GMT> tried to relaod flight docs, no PAVA or PIE listed
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[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Same here
[12:08] <fsphil> hmm
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Anybody with a dial freq. for PIE4
[12:09] <mattbrejza> the flight doc hasnt been updated to it wont show
[12:09] <GMT> about .068
[12:09] <mattbrejza> .0691
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right have that no decodes but strong
[12:10] <gonzo__> ditto
[12:10] <mattbrejza> 8 data?
[12:10] <fsphil> PIE4's image data will appear as gibberish
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup 8+2
[12:10] <mattbrejza> get up the image viewer for the view menu
[12:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> No structure at all
[12:10] <fsphil> that's normal
[12:10] <HixWork> is the batc stream not working?
[12:10] <costyn> it would really useful if the old payload docs would be cleaned out of the db
[12:10] <costyn> HixWork: you missed it
[12:11] <HixWork> ahh, damn work interfering
[12:11] <costyn> hehe
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[12:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> So its in the bandwidth, but no particular mode needs to be selected for SSDV ?
[12:11] <fsphil> you need to be on RTTY, 600 baud, 600hz shift, 8-bit, no parity and 2 stop bits :)
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well its set for that
[12:12] <fsphil> you should be getting a lot of garbled text, with the odd $$PIE4 line
[12:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> But it can't lock on
[12:12] <domlin-Xperia> Hey guys anyone got dial frequencys for the flights today?
[12:13] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: You'll need the RTTY filters at about 590 hz.
[12:13] <fsphil> the filter should be a little higher than 600
[12:13] <craag> fsphil: Them overlapping is not an issue?
[12:13] <fsphil> nah
[12:13] <craag> ok
[12:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thanks got it
[12:14] <fsphil> ah, see you on the receiver list
[12:15] <gonzo__> that was it for me too
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[12:16] <g7ogxchris> do you mean pie from the large list?
[12:16] <costyn> domlin-Xperia: they're listed in the upper left corner: http://spacenear.us/tracker/
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[12:17] Action: LazyL_M0LEP flips from AVA to PAVA to balance up the tracking a bit
[12:17] <domlin-Xperia> We are remote tracking so cant easily hunt around on the dial, was wondering if someone had an already dialed in freq?
[12:17] <g7ogxchris> lots of multi freq hopping sigs
[12:17] <costyn> domlin-Xperia: I can't hear it yet, can't help you sorry
[12:17] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.308.5 for PAVA
[12:18] <LazyL_M0LEP> 434.451.1 for AVA
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[12:18] <LazyL_M0LEP> Not listened for PIE
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_3.jpg and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_5.jpg
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[12:20] <HixWork> unsurprisingly i heaqr nothing from the Thames effluent, inside with a duck ant...
[12:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Were going to see a lot of Cloud today ... ;-)
[12:21] <craag> HixWork: Line-of-sight is everything. If you could get on the roof, that duck ant would probably work fine.
[12:21] <costyn> HixWork: here, look at some sexy sexy pics http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:21] <g7ogxchris> is there a particular mode to select from in fldigi config?
[12:22] <fsphil> gonna have a listen for pie
[12:22] <gonzo__> nice, getting whole images here
[12:22] <fsphil> few lost packets but otherwise not too bad
[12:23] <g7ogxchris> gonzo what mode?
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> As above RTTY 600B 600Hz shift, 8+2 bits but set the bandwidth to \Auto as its around 600Hz that was my problem
[12:23] <HixWork> craag, that's probably result in lots of free-time
[12:23] <HixWork> costyn, yup following the stream for tardis-cam :)
[12:23] <gonzo__> yep, I have 600/600 and about 750hz bandwidth
[12:24] <gonzo__> I set 1 stop, as should be fine
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[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SSDVforPIE4.JPG
[12:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> above are my settings
[12:25] <fsphil> page not found
[12:25] <gonzo__> daveake Upu, if I'm needed to swap to one of the other payloads, let mw know
[12:25] <g7ogxchris> page cannot be found
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Um hangon
[12:25] <g7ogxchris> tks
[12:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Try again
[12:25] <Upu> hi in car
[12:25] <g7ogxchris> got it tks
[12:25] <fsphil> hello at work :)
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Great
[12:26] <g7ogxchris> same only i have 600 where you have custom in carrier shift
[12:26] <mattbrejza> still seem to be losing some packets between us
[12:26] <GMT> I've got a few partial images, but not even 50% of a pic
[12:27] <mattbrejza> persumably a fade and noone can decode
[12:27] <mattbrejza> interleaving ftw
[12:27] <g7ogxchris> $$AVA,943,11:50:46,51.45151,-2.49979,9592,8,0,--,38*A9C4 $$AVA,944,11:50:55,51.45262,-2.50392,9624,8,0,--,38*2C90 $$AVA,945,11:51:04,51.45372,-2.50802,9656,8,0,--,38*B2A4
[12:27] <fsphil> yea I suspect so
[12:27] <g7ogxchris> wrong one!
[12:27] <Elwell> is there aggregation of the data streams before regenerating images?
[12:27] <fsphil> Elwell: yep
[12:28] <fsphil> the packets received by each station are uploaded to the habhub server and combined
[12:29] <fsphil> ah ha, I see PIE4
[12:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its drifitng high quite fast
[12:29] <Elwell> hmm you folks have interesting airstreams over there if the prediction is reasonable
[12:29] <fsphil> if I manage to get any packets I'll be seriously chuffed
[12:31] <gonzo__> ohh, a bit of black showing now
[12:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup looks good
[12:31] <Elwell> AVA Geofence: -- <-- is thus where the country should be?
[12:31] <fsphil> I think that's the plan
[12:32] <GMT> why the Tardis? another media tie-in flight?
[12:32] <Elwell> and why no LED visible?
[12:32] <fsphil> bad camera placement :)
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[12:33] <fsphil> it does have a flashing LED
[12:33] <Elwell> amateurs. Oh Wait.
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Photographers droop
[12:33] <fsphil> haha
[12:33] <GMT> the led only flashes at night to ward-off aeroplanes
[12:33] <costyn> :)
[12:33] <gonzo__> ward of darleks surely!
[12:34] <fsphil> darleks... that'll be daleks from yorkshire then?
[12:34] <costyn> anybody have the dial freq for PIE?
[12:34] <Elwell> night being determined by GPS or a hacked in value
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[12:34] <costyn> in theory I should hear something, in practice, not so much
[12:34] <GMT> a dalek in a flat-cap with a whippet!
[12:34] <fsphil> somewhere near 434.075 costyn :) I can't be more specific
[12:34] <craag> Elwell: He was joking, it flashes all the time.
[12:34] <costyn> fsphil: ok
[12:34] <NickB1> 600 baud working good?
[12:34] <fsphil> signal getting stronger here
[12:34] <fsphil> but no sign of decodes
[12:34] <fsphil> in saying that, I just saw $$P
[12:35] <g7ogxchris> have signals 600 hz slightly raspy sounding have ssdv window open but nothing
[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_4.jpg and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_7.jpg
[12:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm..
[12:35] <Elwell> I wondered if it altered the flashing sequence depending on telemetry - for those visually tracking it :-p
[12:35] <S_Mark> receiving 600 baud on this, http://www.stratodean.co.uk/2013/01/the-receiver-and-antenna.html not bad
[12:35] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's signal getting chopped about a bit at the moment.
[12:36] <craag> Elwell: Would probably need to be a bit brighter. Something possibly worth trying at night though with a flash bulb or the like!
[12:37] <fsphil> I'm building a small payload with a 3 watt LED for that
[12:37] <Elwell> I wonder about a bloody bright LED close to the baloon - a night / pre dawn launch would look good
[12:38] <HixWork> In the balloon would be very very cool
[12:39] <gonzo__> you could charge a cap and pulse a high wattage LEG phil
[12:39] <Upu> ok stream up uo
[12:39] <Upu> with audio
[12:39] <Laurenceb> is this flying a model A ?
[12:39] <gonzo__> that would remove the need for heatsinking and reduce power consumption
[12:39] <gonzo__> LED
[12:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like the Welsh have turned AVA away ;-)
[12:40] <fsphil> Laurenceb: model b
[12:40] <Laurenceb> oh
[12:40] <Upu> any9one hdear audi onn stream ?
[12:40] <S_Mark> yes
[12:40] <gonzo__> it did not have the right money for the bridge
[12:40] <fsphil> audio is really weird
[12:40] <gonzo__> toll
[12:40] <fsphil> Upu: you all sound like daleks
[12:41] <g7ogxchris> right amount of sheep
[12:41] <x-f> four computers in the chase car?
[12:41] <g7ogxchris> :*2*NJ6F:<."N:"26N2"N6."N8:NJ:F6N.F:N6*F.N>.6N"F>V**6ÖþT"òöÎÖþzv¶öÊöâºtÂýL¢Ü\F ÈÅ is this close to PIE????
[12:42] <fsphil> you'll see $$PIE4 lines every so often
[12:42] <g7ogxchris> is there an audio sample of SSDV somewhere please?
[12:42] <g7ogxchris> so much crud here
[12:42] <radim_OM2AMR> live video from chase :-)
[12:42] <craag> g7ogxchris: It's sent over RTTY, so just looks like very wide RTTY.
[12:43] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi :-)
[12:43] <g7ogxchris> ok tks
[12:43] <g7ogxchris> exact freq
[12:43] <fsphil> can someone take a screenshot of their RX window just as an example
[12:43] <craag> I would, but am on ava/pava atm.
[12:44] <costyn> anybody have a dial for PAVA?
[12:45] <recantha> What URL is the video from the chase on?
[12:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Settings needed for PIE4 http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SSDVforPIE4.JPG
[12:45] <craag> costyn: I have it at roughly 434.302
[12:45] <costyn> craag: thanks
[12:45] <costyn> I can hear PIE kinda, but not decode it
[12:46] <craag> recantha: http://batc.tv/streams/ukhas
[12:46] <Upu> url is click from www.spacenear.us/tracker
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[12:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Screen grab for PIE4 http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/SSDV.JPG
[12:46] <recantha> Hmmm.... Perhaps it's because I'm behind a corp firewall.
[12:46] <recantha> Darn
[12:46] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: thanks!
[12:47] <g7ogxchris> yes thanks have sigs now confirmed just a lot of crud and now we just leave SSDV window open?
[12:47] <fsphil> Upu: the sound on the audio stream is pretty bad atm, can't understand what's being said
[12:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> and watch the server as well for best image
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[12:48] <fsphil> pie4 signal still a bit weak here
[12:49] <fsphil> $$XIE
[12:49] <fsphil> not quite
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[12:50] <mfa298> i keep seeing odd bits of text that look like they're telem from pie but there's a lot of other noise as well.
[12:50] <fsphil> the image data will just be garbage on the RX window
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[12:51] <Laurenceb> is it using raspberry pi camera module?
[12:51] <mfa298> fsphil: I realise that, I'm not getting full telem strings either just a few bits that look like they're the telem string
[12:51] <craag> Laurenceb: No, just a usb webcam.
[12:51] <fsphil> yea same
[12:51] <Laurenceb> i see
[12:52] <fsphil> signal is getting stronger on the waterfall
[12:52] <fsphil> oooh black sky
[12:52] <Laurenceb> nice
[12:54] <daveake> fsphil, you take the 600 baud record :)
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[12:54] <daveake> that looks photoshopped :)
[12:55] <recantha> Look at that lovely curvature of the Earth.
[12:55] <gonzo__> that's a nice pic coming in
[12:55] <gonzo__> agh, I dropped a packet!
[12:55] <craag> 600 baud is far nicer for watching pics come in :)
[12:55] <g7ogxchris> are these pix available somewhere else?
[12:55] <gonzo__> I'm supprised it works so well.
[12:56] <gonzo__> 1200bd next dave?
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[12:56] <daveake> Dave says maybe
[12:57] <fsphil> g7ogxchris: http://ssdv.habhub.org/
[12:57] <Laurenceb> at some point you will hit the bandwidth limit of HAM voice kit
[12:57] <fsphil> 1200 just fits
[12:57] <Laurenceb> not an issue with DVBT kit
[12:57] <fsphil> I managed 2400 baud with the funcube dongle
[12:57] <lz1dev> solid cloud cover
[12:57] <fsphil> but after that fldigi doesn't work
[12:58] <craag> we need to move away from rtty once we're doing 1200 baud imo.
[12:58] <fsphil> yea
[12:58] <fsphil> start and stop bits not required
[12:58] <Laurenceb> need a DLL
[12:58] <daveake> hey craag
[12:58] <gonzo__> 9600 bd
[12:58] <daveake> HABRotate working well
[12:58] <mfa298> moved my antenna and I'm getting data :D
[12:58] <g7ogxchris> thats fantastic
[12:58] <craag> daveake: :D
[12:59] <gonzo__> you can get 9600 through most ham rigs these days. thopugh it's using the fm descrim
[12:59] <craag> I was checking my email this morning waiting for the bug report ;)
[12:59] <daveake> for the second time in 2 days I'm sat in a car whilst yours and fsphil's code tracks
[12:59] <daveake> lol
[12:59] <daveake> worked first time
[12:59] <craag> Great, as intended at last.
[13:00] <craag> gonzo__: n-PSK would be the way to go I think.
[13:00] <fsphil> PSK would require new hardware
[13:01] <craag> New software yes, but new hardware?
[13:01] <fsphil> the NTX2 can't do PSK
[13:01] <craag> QPSK at 500 symbols/sec?
[13:01] <craag> Oh, tx hardware ofc
[13:01] <daveake> 30km image resolution increases
[13:01] <fsphil> HD
[13:01] <daveake> 752xsomething
[13:02] <fsphil> Highish Definition
[13:02] Action: craag has not yet used an NTX2, so quite open to using new tx hardware.
[13:02] <fsphil> I'd be happy to try psk
[13:03] <fsphil> but the transmitter needs to be as reliable as the ntx2 :)
[13:03] <SamSilver> the cable that I see in the pictures is for ???
[13:03] <Laurenceb> you might be able to force a si4432 to to n-PSK
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[13:03] <Laurenceb> ive never tried
[13:03] <fsphil> SamSilver: that cable is to the webcam
[13:03] <craag> fsphil: Yep, reliability may be an issue. I'm planning to try modifying the datv digilite designs.
[13:04] <Laurenceb> but n-FSK would probably be a better choice
[13:04] <Laurenceb> ive use MFSK-64 in the past
[13:04] <Elwell> fsphil: is there a pic of the final assembled payload before launch?
[13:04] <Laurenceb> has about the same througput as 300baud RTTY
[13:04] <SamSilver> fsphil: thanx aaah the balance of the payload is in the tardid
[13:04] <fsphil> not sure Elwell, I'm sure daveake will have plenty
[13:04] <fsphil> yea the Pi is inside the TARDIS :)
[13:05] <SamSilver> ooohh caps for TARDIS
[13:05] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's signal is really messy at present... :/
[13:05] <SamSilver> ;)
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[13:06] <daveake> decoding ok from home
[13:06] <recantha> I love it when Chrome crashes... gives one such confidence.
[13:06] <daveake> 30km so bigger images
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_5.jpg and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_8.jpg
[13:08] <daveake> incoming big image
[13:08] <fsphil> big image!
[13:09] <Elwell> shame its so cloudy today
[13:10] Action: LazyL_M0LEP saw a bit of sunlight earlier, briefly... Firsttime this week... ;)
[13:11] <recantha> Says something, doesn't it - In England, in order to see the sunshine we have to send a HAB up.
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[13:15] <GMT> signal very weak now from PIE
[13:15] <LazyL_M0LEP> Very weak from PAVA too
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[13:17] <Laurenceb> burst
[13:17] <recantha> Is that what the multi-coloured parachute means?
[13:17] <fsphil> about to get flat Pi
[13:17] <fsphil> yea
[13:18] <fsphil> parachute means it's coming down
[13:18] <G8KNN-Jon> pava has reset?
[13:18] <G8KNN-Jon> and lost lock
[13:19] <fsphil> PIE4 fading fast here
[13:20] <fsphil> giving up, switching to AVA
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_6.jpg descending and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_9.jpg
[13:21] <craag> Laurenceb: One reason I'm keen to investigate PSK, is that using SDRs for rx, we could try scaling the bitrate right up to the point where some live video 'might' be possible.
[13:21] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: those are nice!
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just grabs from GE
[13:22] <costyn> yea
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'll do an Object Movie later also possibly a Pano of what PIE4 might have seen ;-)
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[13:23] <recantha> I assume that the predicted landing is nowhere near where the map says it is?
[13:23] <fsphil> the landing prediction should be fairly accurate now that it's burst
[13:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Normally quite good
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[13:24] <costyn> Geoff-G8DHE: sounds good :)
[13:24] <fsphil> it will vary
[13:24] <daveake> did someone say pava rebooted ?
[13:25] <daveake> ta fsphil
[13:25] <daveake> it did that last time
[13:25] <G8KNN-Jon> yes pava rebooted when it burst
[13:25] <fsphil> I'm impressed there's no lost pcakets in that image
[13:25] <daveake> whats it doing now ?
[13:26] <fsphil> esp. as the burst happened half way through it
[13:26] <fsphil> oh I see the tardis roof
[13:26] <fsphil> doesn't appear to have a lock
[13:26] <daveake> it should sort itself out
[13:26] <fsphil> yea
[13:26] <Elwell> vibration?
[13:26] <daveake> possible
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> You can see the LED again ;-)
[13:27] <daveake> yay
[13:27] <G8KNN-Jon> $$$$$PAVA,51,13:26:47,21.90602,-1.15379,12523,0,51,115*C94A
[13:27] <daveake> daveake says that was the plan all along
[13:27] <daveake> that will sort itself out
[13:27] <fsphil> yeaaaaaa
[13:27] <daveake> thanks
[13:29] <fsphil> clouds take up too many bits :)
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[13:29] <daveake> PAVA back
[13:29] <recantha> PAVA much happier now on the map
[13:30] <fsphil> phew
[13:30] <daveake> must be the connector
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[13:33] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm.... PAVA and PIE are supposed to be connected. Sometimes looks like the connection's got a bit of stretch in it... ;)
[13:33] <recantha> What altitude is cloud cover at?
[13:33] <fsphil> oh neat, missing packet just disappeared. someone must be lagged
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> In Sussex cloud layer starts at 1800 feet ~ 600m .....
[13:34] <recantha> PAVA burst?
[13:35] <fsphil> PAVA and PIE on the way down
[13:36] <daveake> get on batc.tv
[13:36] <fsphil> back to the small images
[13:37] <fsphil> AVA just passed 30km
[13:37] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_7.jpg descending and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_10.jpg
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[13:41] <recantha> What's AVA carrying out of interest?
[13:42] <fsphil> nothing. it's just a tracker
[13:42] <GMT> okay, I'm switching from PIE back to AVA
[13:42] <recantha> Ahh right.
[13:43] <gonzo__> there is some delay in the imnages. As I have that one that's missing in frame 24
[13:43] <gonzo__> wonder if it will come back
[13:44] <fsphil> that happened earlier
[13:44] <eroomde> there is some wierd blue shit in the sky
[13:45] <fsphil> same packet missed again
[13:45] <fsphil> that's weird
[13:45] <gonzo__> I missed that too
[13:45] <craag> pava reboot?
[13:45] <daveake> yeah at burst again
[13:46] <daveake> its ok now ?
[13:46] <craag> Looks like it might have done again.
[13:46] <craag> Just now..
[13:46] <daveake> dodgy power connector we think
[13:46] <daveake> as it did it last time at burst
[13:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> What height does UPU reckon AVA will float at ?
[13:48] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's data strings are rather mangled
[13:49] <craag> PAVA now drifting fast.
[13:49] <LazyL_M0LEP> ...and signal's drifting quite a bit
[13:49] <mfa298> the ssdv packets seem to be getting through better than the telem, I don't think I've got a good telem packet for a while and about 2/3 of the ssdv
[13:49] <junderwood_M0JCU> same here
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Agreed
[13:50] <craag> FEC ftw.
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Isn't there FEC in the image data ?
[13:50] <craag> Yep. RS coding iirc.
[13:50] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA's sent nowt readable for three minutes
[13:50] <fsphil> yea, RS
[13:51] <mfa298> I wasn't sure if the FEC was for the whole packet or just the data in the packet, I'm guessing it must be on the packet
[13:51] <junderwood_M0JCU> no sign of AVA floating
[13:51] <fsphil> entire packet, apart from the first byte
[13:51] <LazyL_M0LEP> Need a better antenna here, I guess.
[13:51] <costyn> whats the dial for AVA atm? trying to listen in again
[13:51] <GMT> .454
[13:51] <GMT> or .452
[13:52] <costyn> thx
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup PIE4 fading rapidly for me
[13:52] <daveake> did pava comeback on ?
[13:52] <radim_OM2AMR> PIE under 3000m, waiting for live
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[13:52] <fsphil> nothing from pava on the map yet
[13:53] <S_Mark> is live gunna be on ukhas batc?
[13:53] <fsphil> got the chase car stream again
[13:53] <radim_OM2AMR> yes
[13:53] <daveake> yeah put it back on
[13:53] <mfa298> theres some chase car action on the ukhas batc feed
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_8.jpg descending
[13:54] <junderwood_M0JCU> payload was on http://batc.tv/ch_live.php?id=768&ch=5
[13:55] <fsphil> no Pi stream yet
[13:55] <LazyL_M0LEP> PAVA a gonner from here.
[13:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Last readable packet nearly ten minutes ago.
[13:56] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hope they've got good enough tracking on the ground to find it ;)
[13:57] <fsphil> good spot guys
[13:57] <costyn> thought the image had froze and you had just hit that bus
[13:57] <fsphil> lol
[13:57] <costyn> "seconds from disaster"
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Dave gone to watch the Heavens open
[13:58] <junderwood_M0JCU> too weak here
[13:59] <costyn> funny how AVA is coming back around, passing by for a look before heading east
[14:00] <mfa298> 50bd is so slow after watching PIE
[14:00] <fsphil> haha, isn't it
[14:00] <fsphil> oh no!
[14:00] <fsphil> it's landed
[14:00] <costyn> still no 3G
[14:01] <fsphil> daveake: it's on the ground
[14:01] <fsphil> right next to the Goods Hill road, B3353
[14:01] <costyn> next or on?
[14:01] <fsphil> just next to from the look of it
[14:01] <radim_OM2AMR> next to the road, for easy pick-up
[14:02] <mfa298> question will be whats the ground height there. chances are it went a little bit further
[14:02] <fsphil> guess it doesn't have GSM, no stream or data directly from it
[14:02] <costyn> my bet is it's on the other side :) as its still showing -5m/s descent... so that wasn't an update from when it was already on the ground?
[14:02] Action: mfa298 looks for an os map
[14:02] <fsphil> oh it's moved
[14:02] <fsphil> daveake: it's in the field on the left now
[14:03] <mfa298> its got a 3g update :D
[14:03] <mfa298> and theres a stream
[14:03] <costyn> w000t
[14:03] <fsphil> stream is live!
[14:03] <radim_OM2AMR> ooo stream from it !
[14:03] <costyn> coool
[14:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_9.jpg Lamded
[14:03] <fsphil> daveake: got a pic from the payload :)
[14:03] <costyn> no pics in http://www.daveakerman.com/pi/ yet
[14:03] <fsphil> tardis is in a field
[14:03] <daveake> lol awesome
[14:03] <craag> That is v cool.
[14:03] <Chris_26CT895> That is so cool!
[14:03] <G8KNN-Jon> wow
[14:04] <costyn> very cool yea
[14:04] <daveake> lol
[14:04] <daveake> frikken awesome
[14:04] <fsphil> not so near the road :p
[14:05] <mfa298> next challenge is to have it streaming the payload being caught as it comes down.
[14:05] <costyn> field looks easily accesible from the road
[14:05] <costyn> mfa298: haha
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[14:06] <GMT> there's a couple of lay-bys one on the right, then one on the left
[14:06] <fsphil> hah, you can see the LED blinking
[14:06] <fsphil> oh wow, power lines
[14:06] <fsphil> just missed them
[14:07] <LazyL_M0LEP> good!
[14:07] <costyn> fsphil: oh wow
[14:07] <costyn> that was insanely close
[14:07] <fsphil> it must have gotten really close
[14:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/pie4_10.jpg Collection
[14:08] <recantha> Watch out for the farmer with his gun :)
[14:08] <fsphil> err orf my laand
[14:08] <recantha> Ooooo, and indeed, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:08] <Maxell> daarnnnn kidsss!!!!
[14:09] <recantha> Wonder if they'll be able to find PAVA.
[14:09] <mfa298> now we just need the hat cam so we can watch the chase over the fields.
[14:09] <recantha> @mfa298 lol
[14:09] <costyn> recantha: should be a few minutes
[14:09] <fsphil> recantha: the plan is to float PAVA, it won't be coming back :)
[14:09] <craag> recantha: Pava is attached by string to pie :)
[14:09] <fsphil> oh wait
[14:09] <fsphil> PAVA / AVA
[14:09] <fsphil> I got mixed up
[14:09] <fsphil> AVA is floating
[14:09] <fsphil> PAVA should be in the field
[14:09] <recantha> Ahhh right.
[14:09] <fsphil> unless it fell off when the signal went
[14:10] Action: costyn still waiting for anthony's mug to appear behind the tardis
[14:10] <costyn> any bets who'll pick it up?
[14:10] <recantha> Wish I could get the live video at work. Very frustrating!
[14:10] <junderwood_M0JCU> AVA's ascent is slowing. Not sure whether it will slow down enough to float, though
[14:11] <costyn> recantha: it's not all that riveting, but the tehcnical challenges that had to dealt with to get this all working are what we're excited about
[14:11] <recantha> When you say "float" what do you actually mean? Float in the water?
[14:11] <fsphil> float in the air
[14:11] <costyn> recantha: means float at a certain altitude
[14:11] <fsphil> it will eventually stop ascending
[14:12] <costyn> recantha: instead of climbing or descending, it'll float :)
[14:12] <jonsowman> as in, maintain a constant altitude for an extended period of time
[14:12] <fsphil> what jonsowman said
[14:12] <fsphil> but pretend I said it
[14:12] <recantha> Oh, right. Had no idea you could do that! (Newbie alert!)
[14:12] <fsphil> I see people!
[14:12] <radim_OM2AMR> oo two strange persons there :-)
[14:12] <costyn> you can see them walking
[14:12] <costyn> cooooool
[14:12] <radim_OM2AMR> wonderful!
[14:12] <G8KNN-Jon> brilliant
[14:12] <recantha> Excellent! :)
[14:12] <jonsowman> this is so bad for productivity
[14:13] <fsphil> it so is
[14:13] <x-f> haha, yeah :)
[14:13] <costyn> excellent
[14:13] <recantha> @jonsowman Absolutely.
[14:13] <recantha> ;)
[14:13] <costyn> jonsowman: this is terrible yes
[14:13] <fsphil> oooh those power lines really where near
[14:13] <NickB1> anybody got a screenshot of the stream ?
[14:13] <NickB1> firewall problems here ;)
[14:13] <costyn> fsphil: omg yes
[14:13] <fsphil> I may or may not have a video capture
[14:13] <fsphil> I'm not sure
[14:13] <gonzo__> I saw that yes
[14:13] <x-f> i saw PAVA
[14:14] <fsphil> I like that we're all guarding the chase car
[14:14] <recantha> Has someone picked it up and is walking with it?
[14:14] <mfa298> x-f: same, at least there was a quick flash of pink which I would assume is PAVA
[14:14] <costyn> recantha: yes
[14:14] <gonzo__> it moves. Must have missed the wiores. That was bloody close!
[14:15] <costyn> looks like the FTP upload of images didn't work.. .http://www.daveakerman.com/pi/ still empty
[14:15] <GMT> AVA now above 37K metres
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[14:15] <daveake> lol
[14:15] <daveake> well
[14:16] <daveake> recovered :)
[14:16] <recantha> Congratulations to the chase team!
[14:16] <fsphil> phew, was worried giants had found the TARDIS
[14:16] <daveake> like that ?
[14:16] <x-f> congratulations on a very interesting show, daveake :)
[14:17] <fsphil> indeed
[14:17] <daveake> that was fun :) ok afk a few
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[14:17] <mfa298> wow, AVA is getting strong, S6 on the radio signal meter, I don't think I've seen that before mid flight
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[14:19] <GMT> wasn't the prediction for Trowbridge ... not too far away!
[14:19] <HixWork> 37547 nae bad
[14:19] <domlin> mfa298: what's your dial freq?
[14:19] <mfa298> .453
[14:20] <domlin> thank you :)
[14:20] <domlin> chrisstubbs is going to try and track it remotely
[14:20] <PE2G> AVA dx 580 km http://gyazo.com/abd1ef09af957f2a66f225770dd4db05
[14:20] <gonzo__> daveake, upu, you going for ava, or assuming it will float off?
[14:21] <daveake> no if it bursts I don't have time to recover
[14:21] <daveake> so hoping its going to float
[14:21] <GMT> oooh, horse-rolls!
[14:21] <daveake> live streams side by side
[14:22] Action: mfa298 isn't sure if there's enough screens in the front of the 4x4
[14:22] <chrisstubbs> ava goes to europe or sans aprs?
[14:22] <daveake> sans aprs
[14:23] <chrisstubbs> getting good decodes :)
[14:24] <chrisstubbs> from chelmsford, remote tracking over android-vnc is painful :P
[14:24] <GMT> I love the smeall of latex in the mrning, smells like victory!
[14:26] <number10> daveake: what are you eating Upu
[14:27] <daveake> cheese and onion rolls
[14:27] <daveake> AVA floating ?
[14:28] <G8KNN-Jon> very close to float
[14:28] <HixWork> wasn't that the plan until sundown?
[14:28] <gonzo__> nice, footager of yopu two stuffing your faces!
[14:28] <number10> managing to receive ava with a 1/4 inside on my desk
[14:29] <gonzo__> is this 'reality BATC"?
[14:29] <HixWork> what dial is AVA currently, give it a try from the desk
[14:29] <number10> 434.452
[14:29] <NickB1> nice one daveake congrats!
[14:29] <daveake> Cheers :)
[14:30] <daveake> Almost everything worked :)
[14:30] <Babs> number10, where abouts are you? trying to do the same thing from central London
[14:30] <number10> cambridge Babs
[14:31] <jonsowman> hmm, maybe I should try
[14:31] <jonsowman> otoh I don't need more distractions
[14:31] <number10> lol - I am getting a few funny looks here jonsowman
[14:31] <jonsowman> haha are you at work?
[14:32] <number10> yes... especially when someone cam in an there is a tardis on the screen
[14:32] <jonsowman> haha
[14:32] <jonsowman> nice
[14:32] <SamSilver> sweet AVA 0.0 ms acent / decent
[14:32] <HixWork> someone just asked if I planned to upgrade my mobile :)
[14:34] <HixWork> AR8000 on the desk
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right Object movie in Flash and HTML5 of PIE4 http://360.g8dhe.net\HAB_Flights\PIE4\output\PIE4.html http://360.g8dhe.net\HAB_Flights\PIE4\output\PIE4_1.html
[14:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> I will get the URL's straight one day one mo
[14:35] <junderwood_M0JCU> AVA is making good speed
[14:36] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/output/pie4.html and http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/pie4/output/pie4_1.html
[14:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> about 50 m/s Eastward
[14:36] <junderwood_M0JCU> = 100 mph
[14:37] <NickB1> 200 kph yes :)
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[14:39] <daveake> corking speed :)
[14:40] Nick change: daveake -> UpuDavesCar
[14:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flight path alone http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_11.jpg
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[14:46] <Maxell> 180 km/h holy crap
[14:47] <gonzo__> ava looks to be floating nicely too
[14:47] <Maxell> and costyn still struggeling with sdr sharp :(
[14:47] <Laurenceb> moving very fast
[14:47] <UpuDavesCar> well hopefully will give you some rx practice
[14:48] <fsphil> positivly lovely signal here
[14:49] <fsphil> 576km range
[14:49] <fsphil> near my personal best
[14:49] <GMT> good for u phil, its 60 degrees above me so signal not too strong
[14:49] <HixWork> pretty much on top of me and bugger all :/
[14:49] <UpuDavesCar> who the hell is call sign '-'
[14:49] <GMT> put antenna sideways/laying down
[14:49] <UpuDavesCar> ? :)~
[14:50] <UpuDavesCar> fsphil, did you get furthers @600 baud ?
[14:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Flight path alone http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava_signal.jpg shame PAVA couldn't have been in the clear like this one!
[14:50] <fsphil> didn't get any UpuDavesCar, just fragments
[14:50] <UpuDavesCar> ah shame
[14:50] <UpuDavesCar> so question
[14:51] <UpuDavesCar> how long till sunset ?
[14:51] <fsphil> I'm quite happy the colinear even got that
[14:51] <fsphil> a yagi will have handled that easily
[14:51] <fsphil> 17:37 sunset time in london at ground level
[14:51] <UpuDavesCar> ~18:00 then
[14:51] <fsphil> it might well be east of london by then
[14:51] <UpuDavesCar> ish
[14:52] <UpuDavesCar> yeah
[14:52] <Laurenceb> just a bit
[14:52] <UpuDavesCar> well if its still up game on
[14:52] <GMT> it will be east of London in abt 20 mins!
[14:52] <Laurenceb> it already is east of center
[14:52] <UpuDavesCar> can someone run a predicton and see where its going ?
[14:53] <HixWork> GMT - its an office issue i think
[14:54] <GMT> Hix, did cosycave say when yr dongles will be delivered
[14:54] <fsphil> 590km range, just beat my personal best range
[14:54] <fsphil> woo
[14:54] <fsphil> and still a strong signal
[14:54] <Randomskk> eroomde: around?
[14:55] <GMT> keep listening phil, it's heading away from you, so that range will be increasing
[14:55] <x-f> fsphil, how much above horizon it is for you?
[14:55] <fsphil> 1.1 degrees according to dl-fldigi
[14:55] <Laurenceb> heh
[14:56] Action: Laurenceb wrote the maths for that
[14:56] <fsphil> is it accurate? P)
[14:56] <Laurenceb> hope i was correct
[14:56] <GMT> abt 10 mins ago, was 59 degrees for me!
[14:56] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Launch this Sat 1100 from Dover's Hill, Glos. Predicted duration 2h - Full details to come @ http://t.co/WaoEEGWqrS #UKHAS @unisouthampton [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/306779802180919297]
[14:56] <fsphil> it's moving away quite quickly
[14:57] <GMT> somebody said 120 kph
[14:57] <fsphil> very nearly 600km already
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[14:57] <HixWork> 20 mins, taht'll be over the kent coaast
[14:57] <Laurenceb> what does the geofence do?
[14:57] <griffonbot> @ProjectBlast: Launch this Sat 1100 from Dover's Hill, Glos. Predicted duration 2h - Full details to come @ http://t.co/WaoEEGWqrS #UKHAS @unisouthampton [http://twitter.com/ProjectBlast/status/306780118452404226]
[14:57] <UpuDavesCar> like I say corking speed
[14:58] <mattbrejza> blast is going to have some frequency liasing to do...
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> Laurenceb, all of europe is geofenced into the correct ITU boundry/prefix
[14:58] <Laurenceb> ah
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> so you should see -F
[14:58] <fsphil> there it is
[14:58] <fsphil> 600.5km
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> when it gets over france
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> etc
[14:58] <Laurenceb> awesome
[14:58] <HixWork> GMT - not even dispatched yet...
[14:58] <GMT> xl-ent phil
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> its basically the APRS code
[14:58] <Laurenceb> whats the record distance?
[14:58] <UpuDavesCar> without the APRS transmitter
[14:58] <Laurenceb> 800km or something for rx?
[14:58] <fsphil> it did that in nearly 4 minutes
[14:59] <HixWork> but my nest cam has, despite it stating UK warehouse it has HK tracking and ~45day expected delivery schedule :/
[15:00] <fsphil> calculate that as roughtly 168km/h
[15:00] <Laurenceb> is this using hydrogen?
[15:00] <Randomskk> hey Laurenceb do you know much about gibbs sampler convergances?
[15:01] <Laurenceb> not much, sorry
[15:01] <UpuDavesCar> yes Laurenceb
[15:01] <Laurenceb> this is for use in kalman?
[15:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Direection of travel for AVA http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_12.jpg
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> AQrgh
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[15:02] <radim_OM2AMR> 404
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> thats better now
[15:02] <x-f> prediction for AVA, it goes just eastwards over Belgium and ESE over Germany - http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=b91607aeb623d2a4658d5b3d7690920d37c31e42
[15:03] <x-f> (hopefully)
[15:03] <UpuDavesCar> looks like the geofence code needs looking at:)#
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[15:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Heading out over Brussels they match!
[15:03] <Laurenceb> -# ?
[15:04] <UpuDavesCar> no geofence matched
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[15:04] <UpuDavesCar> doesn't think its in the UK
[15:04] <fsphil> uhoh
[15:04] <UpuDavesCar> which is a bit concerning as it would be TXing APRS if it had one
[15:05] <UpuDavesCar> in fact it is as the APRS counter is incrementing
[15:05] <mattbrejza> did you feed in gps data from the pc to test it?
[15:05] <UpuDavesCar> no in fairness there wasn't much testing
[15:05] <UpuDavesCar> of the geofences
[15:06] <UpuDavesCar> it will be the definition but I can check it
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[15:07] <UpuDavesCar> no harm is a test flight after all
[15:07] <x-f> can the ISS transmit APRS, while flying over UK?
[15:07] <mattbrejza> true, but still annoying
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[15:07] <HixWork> if it goes a little more to the east, it may be visible through the window, so may pick it up
[15:08] <HixWork> x-f does it could in orbit?
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[15:08] <fsphil> x-f: it often does
[15:08] <griffonbot> @thecraag: All is still on schedule for the FIZZLE 869MHz Tracker launch this Saturday from nr. Evesham in Glos, piggybacking on @ProjectBlast. #ukhas [http://twitter.com/thecraag/status/306782938660487168]
[15:08] <russss> the ISS has its own radio frequency, it's not subject to the terrestrial rule of ofcom
[15:08] <fsphil> on 145.800
[15:08] <mattbrejza> since when did america care about other peoples laws anyway
[15:09] <russss> it has a crappy little packet BBS on it
[15:09] <fsphil> the radio on the ISS is actually Russian :)
[15:09] <chrisstubbs> could anyone do me a massive favour and upload a .zip of the teamviewer installed and post a link :)
[15:09] <fsphil> ofcom have no say above 100km
[15:09] <chrisstubbs> cant download it at college
[15:09] <Laurenceb> fsphil: what is your range now?
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[15:10] <fsphil> 631km Laurenceb
[15:10] <Laurenceb> nice
[15:10] <fsphil> 0.7 degrees elevation
[15:10] <x-f> mattbrejza, yeah, but when the balloon will be out of UK and above, for example, Belgium, its transmission will still cover a large portion of the UK, so what's the point really?
[15:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm.... If I hadn't been doing the washing up I could probably have waved at AVA as it flew past...
[15:10] <daveake> that x-f :)
[15:11] <mattbrejza> silly laws
[15:11] <fsphil> ofcom display two dimentional thinking
[15:11] <daveake> would have have to be quick LazyL_M0LEP HAB-Gti
[15:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, it seems to have caught some fast winds
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[15:13] <mfa298> probably not ofcom as such with the 2d thinking as UK Government.
[15:13] <x-f> not only UK..
[15:14] <Laurenceb> whats the rtty distance record on 434mhz?
[15:14] <Laurenceb> for hab
[15:14] <fsphil> 800km
[15:14] <Laurenceb> ok wow
[15:14] <Laurenceb> over the horizon then
[15:14] <x-f> meanwhile AVA is still slowly going up - http://i.imgur.com/5kmzWkX.png
[15:14] <fsphil> yea it wasn't even that high up at the time
[15:14] <priyesh> Laurenceb: http://ukhas.org.uk/general:uk_records
[15:15] <priyesh> 10mW 300baud -> Alpha to UPU -> 677.9km
[15:15] <daveake> what range now fsphil ?
[15:15] <priyesh> 10mW 50baud -> PYSY to OZ1SKY -> 800.3km
[15:15] <Laurenceb> ha i get a record
[15:15] <Laurenceb> lowest uk altitude
[15:15] <craag> x-f: As long as it doesn't burst before sunset, it should descend a bit and survive the night.
[15:16] <fsphil> daveake: 648km
[15:16] <fsphil> 0.5deg
[15:16] Nick change: daveake -> UpuDavesCar
[15:16] <fsphil> it's not taking much noise to throw it now
[15:16] <mfa298> lolz, according to spacenearus PIE is now flying along the M4
[15:17] <UpuDavesCar> lol
[15:18] <UpuDavesCar> Dave forgot to turn it off
[15:18] <UpuDavesCar> that made us lol
[15:18] <fsphil> CARDIS
[15:18] <Laurenceb> whats the baud rate on ava?
[15:18] <fsphil> 50
[15:18] <fsphil> struggling to get a decode now
[15:18] <fsphil> although the signal looks clean on the waterfall
[15:18] <HixWork> AVA up to 24th in World Alt records
[15:19] <Laurenceb> fsphil: need better antenni
[15:19] <fsphil> yea, this is just a colinear
[15:19] <Laurenceb> wow
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[15:19] <UpuDavesCar> 5 mins from Dover
[15:19] <UpuDavesCar> France here we come
[15:20] <fsphil> ah, decode
[15:20] <fsphil> 658.6
[15:20] <fsphil> be interesting to see what your yagi manages UpuDavesCar
[15:20] <NigeyS> UpuDavesCar, looks like you'll skip france and hit belgium
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> ok
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> well its on auto
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> not sure I'm still decoding
[15:21] <fsphil> your callsign is on there
[15:21] <fsphil> unless you're doing it from the car
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> oh therre it is
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> no its home
[15:21] <UpuDavesCar> on auto
[15:22] <Babs> As it passes directly over Dover towards Calais AVA at ~38.9k is higher than the distance between Dover and Calais at ~34-35k. Crazy.
[15:22] <costyn> Babs: nice
[15:22] <UpuDavesCar> nice perspective :)
[15:23] <SamSilver> x-f been 10 min + since http://i.imgur.com/5kmzWkX.png was updated
[15:25] <fsphil> I think I've reached my limit
[15:25] <fsphil> 663km
[15:25] <UpuDavesCar> thats not bad on a colinear :)
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[15:25] <Laurenceb> still decoding fsphil
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[15:25] <NigeyS> meh i only got half that on my whip :(
[15:25] <fsphil> definitly! only it means I want those yagis on the roof now :)
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Leaving the UK AVA http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/ava/ava_13.jpg
[15:26] <Laurenceb> F5APQ right?
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[15:27] <griffonbot> @SurreyNanosats: RT @ProjectBlast: Launch this Sat 1100 from Dover's Hill, Glos. Predicted duration 2h - Full details to come @ http://t.co/WaoEEGWqrS # ... [http://twitter.com/SurreyNanosats/status/306787645361627136]
[15:27] <jonsowman> :| ^
[15:28] <NigeyS> .....
[15:28] <jonsowman> oh it's because it's got an android on it
[15:28] <fsphil> I think they'd be more impressed by PIE4
[15:29] <Laurenceb> asshole launched into space
[15:29] <NickB1> is there a guide for using AFC with the FT817?
[15:29] <NickB1> or does dl-fldigi do that automatically?
[15:29] <fsphil> you need to configure hamlib in dl-fldigi
[15:29] <fsphil> and have the appropriate cables between the rig and computer
[15:29] <NickB1> rigcat?
[15:30] <NickB1> that I have
[15:30] <fsphil> nah, hamlib. although I believe rigcat works too, I've never used it
[15:30] <NickB1> a rigcat cable I mean :)
[15:30] <fsphil> ah
[15:30] <fsphil> yea, go into dl-fldigi's control dialog
[15:30] <fsphil> and rig control
[15:30] <fsphil> set it up from there
[15:32] <NickB1> ah I see
[15:32] <NickB1> thx!
[15:33] <fsphil> you'll know when it's working if the frequency of the rig appears
[15:33] <fsphil> on the dl-fldigi window
[15:33] <HixWork> Dunhkirk, a very appropriate waypoint for a european invasion UpuDavesCar
[15:33] <fsphil> you can then tell it to retune if the signal wanders outside a set range
[15:34] <HixWork> Ava might even cover ~2-3Km of France :)
[15:34] <Maxell> guys, costyn got one decode: $$AVA,20717V51.12012,1.77184,38885,9,0,#\53*Cb5
[15:34] <Maxell> hes already in the 5° horizon
[15:34] <GMT> excellent!
[15:34] <craag> Maxell: You guys using rtl_tcp?
[15:35] <Maxell> and I did tracking a baloon yesterday fine
[15:35] <Maxell> craag: yeah
[15:35] <NickB1> fsphil, where are those retune settings located?
[15:35] <Maxell> it worked perfectly for me yesterday
[15:35] <craag> Over the internet or just local lan?
[15:35] <Maxell> but now costyn is using sdrsharp
[15:35] <Maxell> local lan
[15:35] <Maxell> 1,4msps goes fine
[15:35] <craag> ah ok
[15:35] <Maxell> but, the signal is very weak in sdrsharp
[15:35] <Maxell> how? :P
[15:35] <fsphil> NickB1: "DL Client > Configure > Frequency Tracking
[15:35] <Maxell> it was great yeasterday in my gqrx...
[15:36] <mfa298> fsphil: are you using windows with dl-fldigi and rig control ?
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[15:36] <fsphil> linux, dl-fldigi and no rig control atm (I'm using a funcube dongle + gqrx)
[15:36] <fsphil> but I used to use it with my 817
[15:36] <NickB1> ah thx, wasnt looking there
[15:37] <mfa298> fair enough, I'de tried on windows with my 817 but havn't got it to work on later builds of dl-fldigi - I thought I had it working last year
[15:37] <HixWork> anyone alerted the Army of Polish and Czech HAMs we saw for Tom's launch?
[15:38] <GMT> probably need Belgian & German hams before that
[15:38] <mfa298> I'd be interested to see if NickB1 gets it working.
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[15:39] <craag> Also someone can get on Dokkum dx globaltuner.
[15:39] <NickB1> mfa298, going to try it when I get home
[15:39] <radim_OM2AMR> HixWork - Slovakian HAMs are ready :-)
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[15:40] <HixWork> good work radim_OM2AMR have you alerted local groups?
[15:40] <HixWork> and sorry to miss SK off list :)
[15:40] <radim_OM2AMR> we are monitoring it from launch :-)
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[15:41] <HixWork> GMT, I assume costyn and Maxell shoule be able to cover .nl and a fair bit of .be
[15:42] <HixWork> Lunar about to alert ze germans?
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[15:42] <Laurenceb> geofence working again
[15:42] <GMT> There's a global-tuner at Breda (not sure if active or UHF?), and the next one is south of Frankfurt
[15:42] <fsphil> I think Lunar forgot his radio again
[15:43] <HixWork> In fact anyone announcing that there is a British vehicle bound for Germany viaq Dunkirk should get HAB points :)
[15:43] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar or McLane ?
[15:43] <Laurenceb> John McLane?
[15:44] <fsphil> still have ava on the waterfall, but only just
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[15:45] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) Laurenceb - I mean McLane from PYSY team, if I'm not wrong
[15:45] <Laurenceb> fsphil: interesting
[15:45] <Laurenceb> someone should try mfsk-64
[15:45] <Laurenceb> i can decode it when its only just visable
[15:47] <Maxell> HixWork: I'm not at the hackerspace, so I can't follow. Those WebSDRs don't to UFH, afaik.
[15:48] <HixWork> ahh, damn.
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[15:49] <GMT> time for a brew
[15:49] <Laurenceb> landfall
[15:49] <HixWork> that's gotta be the shortest HAB excursion from GB to FR ever
[15:50] <GMT> well, it didn't get wet
[15:50] <Laurenceb> and now its in Belgium
[15:50] <HixWork> Belgium!!
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[15:50] <fsphil> shortest visit to France ever?
[15:51] <HixWork> geofence still Fr, wonder when it'll update
[15:51] <daveake> best type
[15:51] <fsphil> the fences are not exact
[15:51] <fsphil> would take up too much memory if it was
[15:52] <HixWork> i know, just interesteing to see the margin
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[15:52] <F5MVO> Hello all, AVA has a callsign in APRS ?
[15:52] <daveake> It's not using APRS
[15:52] <daveake> It's just testing the code
[15:53] <Laurenceb> Geofence: ON
[15:53] <Laurenceb> wut
[15:53] <LazyL_M0LEP> Belgium!
[15:53] <fsphil> belgium prefix
[15:53] <Laurenceb> ah
[15:53] <jonsowman> code running but nothing doing I think Laurenceb
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> AVA crossed the channel @ a speed of 121mph
[15:54] <daveake> It doesn't even have an APRS transmitter
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[15:55] <fsphil> that's it gone here
[15:55] <fsphil> not even a trace now
[15:55] <fsphil> and just to prove me wrong, it's back a bit
[15:56] <jonsowman> lol
[15:56] <fsphil> impressed I can see it at all
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[15:57] <fsphil> a 10mw transmitter in belgium is generating a voltage in an antenna on my roof
[15:57] <Maxell> fsphil: never seen it that way
[15:57] <Maxell> kinda creepy
[15:58] <GMT> its done especially for you phil
[15:58] <daveake> :)
[15:58] <fsphil> radio truely is the work of the devil. we must burn it
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[15:58] <Laurenceb> dunk it in a river
[15:58] <daveake> So apparently I need to put a "if on ground limit speed to 7-mph" test into my payload ....
[15:58] <daveake> Never thought of that :)
[15:58] <daveake> 70
[15:58] <Maxell> 70 mph what?
[15:59] <HixWork> the payload was updating from the car on the M4 Maxell
[15:59] <daveake> Apparently I was tagged at >70 on the way home, by my payload, over 3G
[15:59] <HixWork> incriminating, though not useful for evidence in court :)
[15:59] <daveake> Must have been downhill :)
[16:00] <HixWork> with a tailwing
[16:00] <HixWork> d
[16:00] <fsphil> nah, the clock on the payload is just going slow
[16:00] <daveake> ah
[16:00] <fsphil> makes things seeeem faster
[16:00] <Maxell> muahahah the payload cought you speeding?
[16:00] <daveake> allegedly
[16:00] <fsphil> right, signal definitly gone
[16:00] <fsphil> the earth wins again
[16:00] <costyn> HixWork: Pe2g is likely to be able to follow it for quite some time
[16:00] <daveake> silly round earth
[16:01] <daveake> I'm home btw, though I guess you knew that, and Upu is off up north
[16:02] <fsphil> hopefully that robot antenna has left his roof on
[16:02] <mfa298> note, I didn't actually see the speed, just that the payload was heading up the M4
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[16:02] <Maxell> oh hai
[16:03] <mfa298> but yes, not an obvious issue to think of testing for
[16:03] <daveake> Yeah, it's the 3G backup I forgot about :)
[16:04] <fsphil> so I would consider 600 baud a success
[16:04] <daveake> Yes I think so
[16:04] <daveake> Worked just fine from the car though of course we weren't far away
[16:04] <daveake> Other than the lack of ftp upload (must be the script didn't get started, as I know it works) I think everything worked
[16:04] <craag> ava status = 32?
[16:05] <daveake> Oh and we found why PAVA rebooted ... we took it apart and the -ve bvattery wire fell out of the plug
[16:05] <fsphil> eek
[16:05] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oops.
[16:05] <fsphil> that happened me once when I was testing
[16:06] <fsphil> made me paranoid about those little jst plugs
[16:06] <daveake> Dunno if Upu made or bought that
[16:06] <daveake> Upu spotted a showstopper ... the SMA plug on my PIE aerial was female. So it wouldn't have connected
[16:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oops!
[16:07] <daveake> These days I check for continuity anyway so it would have been spotted later
[16:07] <daveake> Fortunately I had a suitable adapter cable
[16:08] <Maxell> 600 baud is doable?
[16:08] <daveake> Sure is
[16:08] <daveake> Anyone else notice the Pi CPU temperature after landing? 60 C
[16:09] <daveake> That was the last temperature before I switched it off at home
[16:09] <Maxell> It's 12 times as fast? (and hope less then 12 times as much decoding errors)
[16:09] <daveake> 48C inside the case
[16:11] <GMT> AVA now nearing a personal best for me; a flt last year to Paris and I got 303kms, AVA now at 277kms
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[16:14] <F5MVO> At this altitude the winds for AVA are reverse compared to the anticyclone
[16:14] <fsphil> daveake: did the Pi record the landing video locally?
[16:15] <fsphil> you probably noticed but it got awfully near some wires
[16:15] <daveake> No, I thought that might be a bit too much work for it!
[16:15] <radim_OM2AMR> trying to find some Czech receivers for AVA...
[16:15] <daveake> Yes, saw the wires :p
[16:15] <daveake> Nice to see the batc feed kick in
[16:16] <fsphil> the picture of the tardis on its side in a field was great
[16:16] <GMT> yes, there were quite a few 'good things' on today's flights
[16:16] <daveake> Yeah Upu showed me that as I was driving :)
[16:16] <fsphil> you could just make out the LED blinking
[16:16] <daveake> Well GMT that was the plan ... try and stuff as much in as possible
[16:16] <Laurenceb> where are the photos?
[16:16] <daveake> hah
[16:16] <GMT> will all the pics go online somewhere?
[16:16] <daveake> Yeah shame the view wasn't better
[16:16] <daveake> Yes I just need to grab them from the SD card
[16:17] <daveake> It took a lot more than it transmitted, including some higher resolution ones
[16:17] <GMT> okay, next flight, try to get the payload (tardis mk2) to land upright
[16:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Live here http://ssdv.habhub.org/ and later I guess here http://daveakerman.com/pi/ for them all ?
[16:17] <daveake> :)
[16:18] <fsphil> awful lot of cloud in the pics
[16:18] <daveake> That was for the automatic ftp upload, which is the only thing that didn't work
[16:18] <GMT> I saw the live pics, most happy to see my call-sign appear as an uploader
[16:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Will you put them there or else where then Dave ?
[16:18] <daveake> I know the script works; it must have not been started, or got stuck, or something
[16:18] <daveake> I'll post to the list with a link
[16:18] <Elwell> daveake: trivial to make the tardis? Daughter may appreciate one (I'll stick a r-pi in it to 'do stuff'
[16:18] <daveake> Probably be in flickr
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ok
[16:19] <fsphil> gonzo__ reported receiving a packet that didn't get uploaded. bit of a concern
[16:19] <daveake> strange
[16:19] <daveake> Yes very. Just search the web for pictures of the TARDIS that you can print and cut out
[16:20] <daveake> I made a box with 4 sides and stuck printed sheets to that
[16:20] <daveake> Roof and floor were painted
[16:20] <daveake> Reeves Prussian Blue Acrylic is what you need :)
[16:20] <Elwell> craft foam stuff?
[16:20] <daveake> XPS insulation sheet
[16:20] <fsphil> that's a lovely float
[16:20] <daveake> But anything stiff
[16:20] <daveake> it is
[16:20] <daveake> I think he's very pleased
[16:21] <daveake> The word that describes the feeling I had on the way home is "smug" :)
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[16:21] <daveake> All the "flight code" for starting/stopping 3G/batc/images/ftp was done yesterday
[16:22] <costyn> Elwell: http://cyberdrone.deviantart.com/gallery/9187037
[16:22] <Elwell> ah cool
[16:22] <daveake> yup
[16:22] <daveake> loads of that stuff around
[16:23] <fsphil> and you didn't go for the pink one?
[16:23] <Elwell> yeah I'll need to scale large enough to house a pi
[16:23] <fsphil> you could fit a few in a tardis case
[16:23] <fsphil> or a nice big battery
[16:23] <daveake> Quite large. You'd have thought it could be really small and still fit everything inside, but sadly not ....
[16:24] <costyn> :D
[16:24] <NigeyS> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-02-27--12-11-54-PIE1-9C.jpeg?u=46
[16:24] <NigeyS> check the ripples in the cloud
[16:24] <NigeyS> like an ocean, quite nice..
[16:24] <fsphil> I love that someone 50 years ago came up with that idea. I mean, smaller on the inside. It's still a great sci-fi idea!
[16:25] <fsphil> er
[16:25] <fsphil> bigger on the inside* :)
[16:25] <daveake> Or are the *things* smaller on the inside? :)
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[16:25] <fsphil> smaller on the outside
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[16:26] <costyn> daveake: ooh also a good possibility
[16:28] <daveake> I think I might retire that Pi - it's done 4 flights now and I don't want to lose it :)
[16:29] <daveake> 400km Rx I think that's my personal best
[16:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Nigel Smart "Re: [UKHAS] Pico Launch this weekend (2/3 March)"
[16:29] <fsphil> nice!
[16:30] <fsphil> you can also add a new 600 baud section
[16:30] <daveake> ah yes
[16:30] <fsphil> I wonder who got the most distant decode
[16:30] <daveake> Who got the furthest?
[16:31] <Elwell> eiciccclvrnhfnrgcelflkdvcucerbldldtjctfihckb
[16:31] <jonsowman> ?
[16:31] <fsphil> F5APQ possibly
[16:31] <costyn> Elwell: that's not a valide decode
[16:31] <daveake> Hell Elswell's cat
[16:31] <daveake> hello
[16:31] Action: Elwell moves mouse to correct window and tries again
[16:31] <G8KNN-Jon> Brian OZ1SKY is decoding AVA at around 700km !
[16:31] <costyn> Elwell: editing in emacs?
[16:32] <daveake> hah
[16:32] <fsphil> editing perl in emacs?
[16:32] <Elwell> yubikey - wrong window
[16:32] <LazyL_M0LEP> Only up to 305kms here. Think my best is over 500, so a way to go yet.
[16:32] <costyn> fsphil: i hear an echo :P
[16:32] <fsphil> you didn't say perl :p
[16:32] <costyn> true
[16:32] <GMT> my best was 303 kms, but now nearly 350 and improving rapidly
[16:32] Action: costyn is actually editing Perl... FML
[16:32] <fsphil> people don't program Perl, they edit it and hope for the best
[16:33] <costyn> fsphil: mmm true
[16:33] <Randomskk> I usually just cat /dev/urandom > script.pl until it works
[16:33] <F5MVO> SP3MCY has a good place on the AVA road
[16:33] <costyn> fsphil: and I'm using it with SNMP... Sadistic Network Mgmt Protocol
[16:33] <costyn> Randomskk: lol
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[16:34] <fsphil> brute force compiler: set the conditions of input and output, and try random code increasing in size until it works.
[16:35] <Randomskk> I like https://github.com/munificent/vigil
[16:35] <daveake> A language best written by an infinite number of monkeys?
[16:35] <Randomskk> also https://github.com/mattdiamond/fuckitjs
[16:35] <costyn> fsphil: sounds like a genetic algorithm
[16:36] <lz1dev> If a caller fails to provide valid arguments, it is wrong and must be punished
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[16:36] <lz1dev> lol
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
[16:37] <fsphil> hiya OZ1SKY_Brian
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[16:37] <costyn> can't believe how big that blue circle is... amazing what reach it has
[16:37] <radim_OM2AMR> OZ1SKY - congrats !
[16:37] <costyn> OZ1SKY_Brian: and yes, then there's you, decoding it while it's still below the horizon :)
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> radim_OM2AMR sorry?
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh
[16:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hehe
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[16:37] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
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[16:39] <costyn> it does look like we'll need SP9UOB's army of listeners in Poland
[16:39] <fsphil> putting my 663km in its place
[16:40] <HixWork> costyn, looks like Cz and SK are proimed and ready on the map :)
[16:40] <HixWork> *primed
[16:40] <x-f> heh, left for an hour, and it has already travelled almost 300 km
[16:40] <costyn> HixWork: sort of yea
[16:40] <x-f> anybody called LL yet? :)
[16:40] <HixWork> reckon Upu can hit Russia??
[16:41] <fsphil> hope not, they might hit back
[16:41] <HixWork> heh
[16:41] <HixWork> Vlad the impailer might not be too happy about the yorkshire spycraft
[16:41] <radim_OM2AMR> wrote text message to Tom_SP9OUB
[16:42] <daveake> Lunar should be able to rx this one
[16:42] <x-f> he has to!
[16:42] <fsphil> I don't expect he'll have his radio
[16:42] <fsphil> it'll be at uni
[16:42] <daveake> you think?
[16:42] <HixWork> sod's law it'll drift over and out of range before he turns up
[16:42] <fsphil> I'm good at predicting things don't you know
[16:42] <daveake> lol
[16:43] <HixWork> heh
[16:43] <HixWork> fsphil, thought about becoming a weatherman?
[16:44] <fsphil> I'm not that bad
[16:44] <HixWork> :)
[16:44] <Jess--M0VBR> I lost it at 315.8 km (could still decode 90% of the text until 2 minutes ago) not too bad for a colinear 2 metres off the ground
[16:44] <fsphil> no that's pretty good
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[16:45] <GMT> 'VBR, depends upon where you are
[16:45] <fsphil> it does go pretty quickly
[16:45] <mfa298> costyn: worse that perl with snmp is php with snmp, the format of the returned strings seems to change randomly with different versions/installs
[16:45] <GMT> starting to get mis-decodes now
[16:45] <costyn> mfa298: fun
[16:46] <fsphil> I still enjoy programming in php. I know it gets a lot of abuse :)
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[16:47] <mfa298> I've done a fair bit of stuff in perl and php. neither is too bad as long as you know the issues with them.
[16:47] <HixWork> Heading into dark
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[16:48] <GMT> still a nice stable signal, not drifting at all
[16:48] <fsphil> it is
[16:48] <radim_OM2AMR> question about AVA transmission - is there continuous carrier or not ?
[16:48] <HixWork> http://goo.gl/XqtHV
[16:48] <fsphil> I expect it'll start moving at sunset
[16:48] <HixWork> oops forgot that bit
[16:48] <fsphil> which should be any moment now
[16:49] <fsphil> radim_OM2AMR: continuous
[16:49] <radim_OM2AMR> TNX
[16:49] <fsphil> there are pauses in the data, but it always transmits something
[16:49] <HixWork> though at 38k it'll get light for a good while after
[16:49] <fsphil> that's true
[16:49] <daveake> ~30 mins?
[16:49] <HixWork> think noctilucient clouds
[16:49] <fsphil> that'd be a good guess
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[16:49] <HixWork> I'd go more
[16:49] <Maxell> Is it solar powered?
[16:49] <radim_OM2AMR> thats fine fsphil, just to know, when we will be in reach of it
[16:50] <HixWork> Maxell, think 6 days worth of lithiums [6xAA]
[16:50] <costyn> radio guys: is any of this of interest? http://www.karelvogels.nl/Diversen/tekoop.html or is it all junk. It's going away in a huge garage sale this weekend apparently
[16:51] <daveake> No it's a single AA 48 hours
[16:51] <daveake> The 6AAs was for the APRS tracker
[16:51] <HixWork> ahh sorry
[16:51] <HixWork> ministry of misinformation :)
[16:51] <fsphil> ... or is it
[16:51] <Maxell> oh right
[16:52] <daveake> I made the payload ball and I only made 1 AA hole
[16:52] <daveake> And then I soldered the AA to the tracker
[16:52] <daveake> So, on balance, I think I'm right :)
[16:52] <fsphil> I mean the Ministry of Misinformation. It's not going to be called that
[16:52] <daveake> or is it ...
[16:52] <chrisstubbs> gim losing AVA now :( going to try and put the HABAMP on
[16:52] <fsphil> now you're getting it
[16:52] <daveake> :)
[16:53] <daveake> sorry bit slow been a long day already
[16:53] <fsphil> video stream worked well from the car apart from the audio
[16:53] <fsphil> difficult to describe it, other than dalek like
[16:53] <daveake> yeah Upu said
[16:53] <fsphil> and would sometimes clear up
[16:54] <daveake> That was on my netbook; I'll take a look at the audio settings
[16:54] <daveake> Upu said it was dalek-like; I thought that was appropriate :)
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[16:55] <fsphil> I'll have to fly a Borg cube. probably the easiest sci-fi ship to make a case for
[16:55] <daveake> lol
[16:55] <x-f> habhub's prediction suggests AVA will reach Prague in 9 hours
[16:55] <daveake> I still want to do an Apollo
[16:55] <HixWork> radim_OM2AMR, ^^
[16:56] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f oh great, we're waiting here in SK too :-)
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[16:57] <x-f> somebody will have a sleepless night :)
[16:57] <GMT> wohoo, good decode at 421 kms
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[16:58] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f just said that :-D
[16:58] <daveake> At some point I'll power the Pi back up and grab the images
[16:58] <fsphil> since we're heading to russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyiPRYT1svA
[16:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> going into PA soon, lets see if the geofance change
[16:59] <x-f> ah, ON is the current prefix, not that geofence is "on"
[17:00] <OZ1SKY_Brian> yes
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[17:01] <fsphil> howdy RocketBoy
[17:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> elevation 0.3deg, not much :-)
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[17:01] <fsphil> nice
[17:02] <fsphil> I got down to 0.5 before it stopped decoding
[17:02] <daveake> woohoo 500km :)
[17:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its getting higher here
[17:02] <LazyL_M0LEP> 400kms here
[17:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 0.4deg now
[17:02] Action: fsphil suspects his new record is about to get overtaken quite quickly :)
[17:02] <OZ1SKY_Brian> changed to PA now, nice :-)
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[17:03] <GMT> geofence just changed to PA
[17:03] <LazyL_M0LEP> Won't be PA for long...
[17:03] <Laurenceb> in netherlands
[17:03] <daveake> Ah Sittard. Stayed there first night of our honeymoon xx years sgo
[17:04] <fsphil> XX... roman numeral for 20?
[17:04] <HixWork> oops sorry for shouting
[17:04] <daveake> 20 and the rest
[17:04] <HixWork> there's something on the threshold the US didn't want us to see
[17:04] <GMT> hix - geilenkirchen ab
[17:05] <HixWork> ah, ok, wes side of main runway
[17:05] <LazyL_M0LEP> Sat on a summit near there once to play SOTA. ( http://www.sotawatch.org/summits.php?summit=PA/PA-002 )
[17:05] <Laurenceb> yet area51 is unbpixellated
[17:05] <Laurenceb> wtf
[17:05] <GMT> it's not the US who made it pixellated, its the Dutch ... all the Dutch bases are like that!
[17:05] <HixWork> probably had something they hadn't informed Germany about there.
[17:06] <HixWork> Bit like Prestwick airport in the UK
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[17:06] <GMT> Isnt Prestwick where Elvis now lives?
[17:07] <Laurenceb> into Germany now
[17:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Hello AVA, your in Germany now! :-)
[17:08] <HixWork> be interesting if geilenkirchen pick up AVA
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[17:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> Geofence is obviously a bit approximate there.
[17:10] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[17:10] <daveake> AVA is reclaiming land from the Germans?
[17:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> Using a ruler
[17:11] <LazyL_M0LEP> ;)
[17:11] <daveake> haha
[17:11] <GMT> If you want to see those places without pix's try Flash Earth
[17:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> wonder what the status 32 was before
[17:13] <HixWork> nice GMT
[17:13] <number10> lucky we have lunar lander to help us track
[17:13] <x-f> will somebody alert the mailing list, that AVA is successfully floating over the continent?
[17:13] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[17:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Just changed to DL now, nice function Anthony made for the flight.
[17:14] <craag> OZ1SKY_Brian: According to upu's website, it means the gps lost lock.
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[17:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Wilkommen zu deutchland meine herren, bitte bitte bitte lol
[17:14] <OZ1SKY_Brian> craag oh ok thanks !
[17:15] <craag> OZ1SKY_Brian: See bottom of http://ava.upuaut.net/?p=448
[17:15] <OZ1SKY_Brian> thanks craag
[17:17] <OZ1SKY_Brian> this reminds me of apex alpha :-)
[17:18] <daveake> Just called Upu to update him on progress; he's delighted :)
[17:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> how can he not be :-)
[17:18] <daveake> :)
[17:18] <daveake> He'll be home within 2 hours
[17:18] <OZ1SKY_Brian> getting better, 0,5deg elev now
[17:19] <daveake> 550km from here now
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[17:19] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 641 here
[17:19] <daveake> nice!
[17:20] <HixWork> time for the off!!!
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[17:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 0.6deg elev, shound keep going up for some time still, untill it hits 180deg south
[17:20] <OZ1SKY_Brian> its at 204deg now
[17:20] <GMT> Yikes, just got a few good decodes at 486 kms
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[17:21] <OZ1SKY_Brian> really, it been a long flight allready, it should make a pitstop in cologne, its smelly allready LOL
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[17:26] <bertrik> what's the current frequency for AVA?
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[17:27] <chrisstubbs> i have it on 434.453.91
[17:27] <chrisstubbs> but im pretty much out of range now :(
[17:27] <daveake> For a moment I thought Upu had programmed a funny in there ... http://i.imgur.com/13wfbpt.png
[17:27] <Randomskk> :P
[17:27] <number10_M0MDB> :)
[17:29] <jonsowman> haha
[17:31] Nick change: Nigey| -> NigeyS
[17:31] <PE2G> Speed in the past hour was 184 km/h course 090 deg
[17:31] <arko> morning
[17:32] <arko> how did the hab go?
[17:32] <NigeyS> hey arko
[17:32] <NigeyS> its currently in Germany
[17:32] <arko> oh, there's one right now
[17:32] <arko> holy cow
[17:33] <NigeyS> no..balloon...
[17:33] <arko> was that the one launched at 10UTC?
[17:33] <NigeyS> :p
[17:33] <daveake> yes
[17:33] <NigeyS> yup
[17:33] <arko> wow
[17:33] <arko> floater?
[17:33] <daveake> Yes, deliberately
[17:33] <arko> wow
[17:33] <daveake> Well into Germany now
[17:33] <arko> oh snap, Upu's payload?
[17:33] <GMT> AVA first went west to near Cardiff, was denied entry to Wales (passport issues?) turned around and went to Germany
[17:33] <daveake> yes
[17:33] <arko> nice!!
[17:33] <gonzo__> still traces of data, but not decoding
[17:34] <arko> GMT hahahaha
[17:34] <daveake> I'm not quite getting full sentences
[17:34] <arko> denied entry to Wales
[17:34] <daveake> Good job it didn't leak
[17:34] <GMT> I can say that, I'm 'partial Welsh'!
[17:35] <daveake> Can that be fixed?
[17:35] <griffonbot> @NigeyUK: Nocturn-1 payload box looking rather pink! #ukhas http://t.co/mqjCOoM2jm [http://twitter.com/NigeyUK/status/306819869788237824]
[17:35] <GMT> yup, I can cut my leg off to remove the welsh-ness
[17:36] <NigeyS> daveake, we couldnt let you in to wales without paying the bridge toll :P
[17:36] <daveake> Good job it's free to escape
[17:37] <NigeyS> lol
[17:37] <NigeyS> need another coat of paint on those boxes i think
[17:37] <arko> you guys make me jealous
[17:37] <daveake> All gone here now. 587km max
[17:37] <arko> look at all those stations
[17:38] <NigeyS> :)
[17:38] <arko> yesterdays meeting here in la, no one got their radios working
[17:38] <GMT> still getting partial decodes, but not a good sentence
[17:38] <arko> with thei computer
[17:38] <NigeyS> :o
[17:38] <jonsowman> OZ1SKY_Brian: how are you doing this?
[17:38] <jonsowman> you're so far away from it
[17:38] <NigeyS> arko only a year ago we had hardly any listeners in europe, its built up quite alot !
[17:39] <arko> :)
[17:39] <jonsowman> poor apex alpha
[17:39] <jonsowman> lost over poland
[17:39] <jonsowman> :(
[17:39] <arko> im trying to do the same here in the states
[17:39] <NigeyS> moment of silence for apex pls :(
[17:40] <jonsowman> it got to the east side of poland
[17:40] <jonsowman> so ava's got a way to go get
[17:40] <jonsowman> *yet
[17:40] <LazyL_M0LEP> Methinks AVA met the sunset, and now it's getting cold up there....
[17:40] <daveake> OK it was the pre-amp battery that stopped .. :)
[17:40] <gonzo__> do we have any contacts ober there who could have a listen
[17:40] <craag> yay globaltuner.
[17:41] <jonsowman> lots of listeners in poland/slovakia
[17:41] <jonsowman> there were none for Apex
[17:41] <Randomskk> ahead of its time :P
[17:41] <jonsowman> in a bad way
[17:41] Action: priyesh agrees
[17:41] <Randomskk> premature?
[17:41] <jonsowman> yes
[17:41] <Randomskk> flew too early?
[17:41] <Randomskk> too soon?
[17:41] <bertrik> germany seems awfully empty wrt receivers
[17:43] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jonsowman it just need to be over the horizon, then i can hear it, if the antenna on the payload is ok.
[17:43] <GMT> rightho, lost the signal ... just east of Cologne
[17:43] <priyesh> jonsowman: did CUSF track alpha below the horizon?
[17:43] <jonsowman> OZ1SKY_Brian: you must have a great antenna setup
[17:44] <jonsowman> priyesh: the trackotron hit -1 degree elev
[17:44] <priyesh> :D
[17:44] <arko> how amazing would it be if the payload arrived in the US.. :P
[17:44] <jonsowman> it would continue the trend of cool things happening accidentally
[17:44] <jonsowman> such as the trans-a last year?
[17:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jonsowman well just a comet gp-9 and a preamp
[17:44] <arko> jonsowman yeah
[17:44] <jonsowman> OZ1SKY_Brian: on a big pole/hill?
[17:45] <arko> check it out
[17:45] <arko> i have my station setup in los angeles
[17:45] <arko> im ready for it now
[17:45] <PE2G> Freq starts to drift downwards
[17:45] <daveake> Yeah - getting dark up there now
[17:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> jonsowman not really, its 60asl, 12magl
[17:46] <jonsowman> OZ1SKY_Brian: nice
[17:46] <jonsowman> :)
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[17:51] <PE2G> Lost signal
[17:51] <craag> Yep same.
[17:51] <G8KNN-Jon> gone
[17:52] <number10_M0MDB> gone
[17:52] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oops.
[17:52] <PE7ER> gone last good here 2775
[17:52] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh no
[17:53] <PE2G> Distorted signal during a couple of secs, then gone
[17:53] <x-f> :/
[17:53] <arko> how long can the battery last?
[17:54] <craag> Yeah NTX2 properly tailed off as if it lost Vcc.
[17:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> It just stopped. $$AVA,2777,17:51:09,uX-9
[17:54] <G8KNN-Jon> clean decodes then $$AVA,27771:51:09,u0_98[;2
[17:54] <PE7ER> prolly FLAG got it!
[17:54] <Randomskk> haha that doesn't sound good
[17:54] <craag> But it's an rfm22 I think. So could be reset in a bit.
[17:54] <PE7ER> (never mention the war, i forgot)
[17:54] <LazyL_M0LEP> Yeah, 2776 was garbled at the end. 2775 was 543.4kms from here.
[17:55] <x-f> arko, it should have lasted another 40 hours
[17:55] <arko> there is hope then
[17:56] <arko> what kinda antennas are most people using?
[17:57] <arko> are they omni directional?
[17:57] <PE2G> PE7ER: I mentioned it once but I think I got away witjh it
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[17:57] <PE7ER> lol@2g
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[17:58] <daveake> It is an rfm22b. There's some reset code in there so it may come back
[17:58] <daveake> Also anyone using an SDR have a look to see if it's jumped frequency massively
[17:59] <PE7ER> how massive can that get?
[17:59] <GMT> I am/was using a 2m/70cm colinear at 20 ft
[18:00] <daveake> 150k
[18:00] <PE7ER> in that case no luck up or down here
[18:00] <daveake> ok ta
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[18:04] <Maxell> Now we wait for the .pl army? :)
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[18:05] <NickB1> signal lost? :/
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[18:06] <Hix> quick q about my board
[18:06] <LazyL_M0LEP> No RTTY heard in a quick scan from 434.200 to 434.600
[18:07] <Hix> I've got a 10k resistor to vcc so it's tied high.
[18:07] <Hix> to reset the board do i connect reset to ground?
[18:09] <NickB1> that makes me sad :(
[18:09] <NickB1> had a solid signal here
[18:09] Action: costyn too
[18:10] <costyn> (sad)
[18:11] <craag> About every 10s I'm getting some sort of burst on the frequency that ava was on.
[18:12] <LazyL_M0LEP> Oh?
[18:12] <LazyL_M0LEP> dial?
[18:12] <craag> Gone now, was 434.4506
[18:13] <craag> I'll try to screenshot it if it comes back. It wasn't rtty but I've seen my rfm do similar things when it gets into a weird mode.
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[18:16] <PE2G> In the hour before loss of signal, speed was 180 km/h, course 089 deg
[18:17] <radim_OM2AMR> it's sad :-(
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[18:19] <griffonbot> Received email: John Underwood "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement - Vortex Flight 4 - Friday 1st March"
[18:23] <lz1dev> is AVA ok ?
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[18:23] <craag> lz1dev: no
[18:24] <lz1dev> aww :(
[18:24] <craag> It went dead mid-string.
[18:24] <craag> ;(
[18:24] <lz1dev> thats not good
[18:25] <lz1dev> might be frozen ?
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[18:26] <number10_M0MDB> every one receiving it lost signal mid frame $$AVA,2777,
[18:26] <arko> :<
[18:27] <number10_M0MDB> daveake: do you know if Upu does the regular reset of the rfm
[18:27] <Elwell> shot down by enemy fire
[18:27] <daveake> I'm pretty sure he does
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[18:27] <daveake> He'll be home soon. He knows AVA has stopped.
[18:28] <craag> I'm getting this intermittently, just a few hundred hz down from where ava was: http://i.imgur.com/Lg5Q0Hu.png
[18:28] <craag> Could it be an rfm in a strange mode?
[18:30] <number10_M0MDB> I didnt take a not of the last frequency craag
[18:30] <number10_M0MDB> note
[18:30] <craag> 434.4506 I'm tuned to. On dokkum globaltuner.
[18:30] <craag> But that signal only comes every couple of minutes.
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[18:35] <craag> Again: http://i.imgur.com/E5hnOoG.png
[18:36] <number10_M0MDB> looks like a car key
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[18:36] <craag> ok
[18:36] <craag> Oh well.
[18:36] <SQ6KOJ> Hi :)
[18:37] <number10_M0MDB> hi
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[18:40] <radim_OM2AMR> SQ6KOJ, you received message from Tomek ?
[18:40] <SQ6KOJ> Yes, I have dl-fldigi but i don't recieve antyhing
[18:41] <radim_OM2AMR> AVA unfortunatelly died :-(
[18:41] <SQ6KOJ> what happened?
[18:42] <Maxell> 18:54:10 < LazyL_M0LEP> It just stopped. $$AVA,2777,17:51:09,uX-9
[18:42] <Maxell> 18:54:17 < G8KNN-Jon> clean decodes then $$AVA,27771:51:09,u0_98[;2
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[18:44] <SQ6KOJ> oh no :(
[18:44] <PE7ER> maybe it's ' resting' ?
[18:44] <Maxell> Yeah, bummer :(
[18:45] <Maxell> taking a small nap
[18:45] <Maxell> :p
[18:45] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
[18:45] <PE7ER> or maybe it's an ' ex- AVA'
[18:45] <daveake> It was supposed to take a left turn towards Norway
[18:45] <daveake> It's pining for the fjords
[18:46] <costyn> anyone from project BLAST here?
[18:47] <costyn> craag: do you have contact info for Tom for me please? (you can PM it to me)
[18:47] <costyn> craag: apparently they want to try to launch again coming saturday when I'm doing mine too
[18:47] <craag> Ah right!
[18:48] <craag> Lots of NTX2 launches it seems
[18:48] <costyn> yea
[18:49] <craag> Have you tried emailing marco who posted to the list?
[18:49] <craag> I don't have contact details for them, could find them out though.
[18:50] <costyn> craag: ok, will do that thanks
[18:51] <craag> np. Saturday is gonna be one hectic day!
[18:53] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[18:54] <andrew_M0SOT> costyn: I'm helping out with the BLAST launches :)
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[18:55] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: just writing a mail to Marco
[18:55] <craag> evening andrew_M0SOT, didn't see you there sorry!
[18:55] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: there seems to be a frequency conflict on saturday
[18:55] <andrew_M0SOT> craag: I was hiding
[18:56] <craag> Indeed you were.
[18:56] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: PM me your email, I'll CC you
[18:56] <andrew_M0SOT> so I gather. I am right in thinking you're thinking of launching somewhere between 9 and 11?
[18:56] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: yea
[18:57] <andrew_M0SOT> we were aiming for 11, so I guess it makes sense for you to launch on the early side, and we'll hold off until you've landed
[18:57] <mattbrejza> lol blast launching on time
[18:57] <craag> hehe
[18:57] <andrew_M0SOT> :P
[18:59] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: mail sent
[19:00] <mattbrejza> things will get arkward if saturdays wind changes
[19:00] <andrew_M0SOT> costyn: we're actually using the NiM2 transceiver (so we can uplink to the balloon)
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[19:01] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: I see
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[19:02] <costyn> andrew_M0SOT: well I'll see if I can adjust my NTX2 down then
[19:03] <andrew_M0SOT> on the plus side, that means the radios will probably drift different amounts due to temperature, so there probably wouldn't be an issue anyway (although best not to risk that)
[19:03] <costyn> indeed
[19:03] <Jess--M0VBR> I just saw what looked like an rfm22 starting up (appeared drifted upwards by about 2khz and then vanished) dial 434,474, seen it twice on waterfall now, no shift, just a carrier
[19:04] <g7ogxchris> will AVA wake up with the sun?
[19:05] <arko> one could hope
[19:06] <g7ogxchris> ju8st had a good look at temperatures over there...they are low at ground level
[19:06] <mfa298> question is where will it be when the sun comes up and will there be listeners
[19:07] <OZ1SKY_Brian> anyone got a predicted path?
[19:08] <g7ogxchris> maybe emails should be going off, asking to spread the word
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[19:09] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:09] <SQ6KOJ> Hi
[19:09] <Maxell> hey
[19:09] <g7ogxchris> for instance I could do the European PSK Club Feld Hell Club and PODXS Club
[19:09] <arko> natrium42: you around?
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[19:10] <g7ogxchris> just need OK from launcher and last received info..
[19:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander your timeing sux, you just missed AVA
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[19:12] <Lunar_Lander> oh
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[19:12] <F5MVO> AVA no transmit ?
[19:13] <costyn> mattbrejza: can you tell me more about finetuning the ntx2?
[19:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> F5MVO no it stoped :-(
[19:13] <mattbrejza> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:ntx2 (bottom) costyn
[19:13] <costyn> mattbrejza: silly, was just looking at that, somehow didn't see it
[19:13] <HixPad> So AVA is properly dead then?
[19:14] <mattbrejza> :P
[19:14] <costyn> mattbrejza: so I should be able to adjust it to say 434.640? do you think this would be enough?
[19:14] <mattbrejza> well id say get the payload most likely to drift with temperature to be the lower one
[19:15] <costyn> mine is pretty well insulated
[19:15] <mattbrejza> i wouldnt try to push it too far though
[19:15] <costyn> no, i don't want my oscillator becoming unstable :)
[19:15] <costyn> sigh
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[19:15] <arko> ermergerd, unlabelled axis
[19:16] <costyn> arko: lol
[19:16] <arko> i'd get fired if i did that
[19:17] <F5MVO> its was good flight, congratulations to AVA team.
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[19:20] <lz1dev> F5MVO: why such lack of optimism
[19:20] <lz1dev> it might resume tomorrow, ones the sun is up
[19:20] <cuddykid> daveake: absolutely awesome job today - congrats
[19:21] <daveake> cheers :)
[19:21] <daveake> sure was fun
[19:21] <radim_OM2AMR> for all of us, thanks daveake/Upu :-)
[19:22] <F5MVO> i hope for you that AVA trasmitt again
[19:22] <costyn> we haven't seen Upu here since he parted ways with you daveake
[19:22] <costyn> did he get home allright?
[19:22] <daveake> yeah might do but at that speed it'll be a long way away when it does
[19:22] <daveake> I spoke to him a few minutes after AVA stopped
[19:23] <daveake> He should be home very soon
[19:23] <arko> oh it's 7:30 over there
[19:24] <arko> i thought it was like 2 am
[19:24] <arko> hah
[19:24] <lz1dev> i hoped that ava would go South more
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[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> hi radim_OM2AMR
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[19:34] <radim_OM2AMR> Hi Lunar_Lander, we missed you today
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> sorry for that
[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> I had to get the final parts for the balloon filelr
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[19:35] <Lunar_Lander> filler
[19:35] <radim_OM2AMR> no problem
[19:36] <radim_OM2AMR> great, so your launch is approaching :-D have you any new photos ?
[19:37] <Lunar_Lander> one moment please
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[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR,
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> power cables and antenna wire tied down http://s.gullipics.com/image/9/f/4/5yvdse-kldob3-tg5x/IMG6598.jpeg
[19:47] <Lunar_Lander> new antenna http://s.gullipics.com/image/z/n/5/5yvdse-kldoam-o8en/IMG6596.jpeg
[19:48] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I think you need bigger labels
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> why is that?
[19:48] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I'm joking. they're quite big already :P
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[19:48] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: nice and tidy payload
[19:48] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, great, you made great progress since I saw yor photos last time
[19:49] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: what are the traffic light LEDs for?
[19:49] <arko> space aliens
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> green is tied directly to the regulator
[19:49] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn - NOTAM lights :-)
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> so that just shows that the board is ON
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> yellow is on if the GPS has no lock
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> as an indicator
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> red is not defined actually
[19:49] <costyn> heh
[19:49] <Lunar_Lander> and blue flickers along with RTTY transmission
[19:49] <costyn> nice
[19:50] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: where's your microcontroller?
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[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> below
[19:50] <Lunar_Lander> you can see the arduino mega sticking out a bit on the left
[19:50] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: ah
[19:50] <costyn> ah yes, if I zoom in
[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
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[19:52] <radim_OM2AMR> Lunar_Lander, maybe one note - try to keep that RG174 cable as short as possible
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> the black one?
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> ah it isn't too long actually
[19:52] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, from NTX to antenna
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> the cable ties were an idea of our lab tech
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> as he and I were not confident about the soldering spots on the cables
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> they were always prone to break
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> so that is better actually
[19:55] <radim_OM2AMR> sure, it's good idea
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> btw website https://oernen2balloon.wordpress.com/
[19:56] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[19:56] <radim_OM2AMR> another advice - be careful in soldering that black coax cable. When you solder shield, it can melt core insulation
[19:57] <HixPad> Heh you got the Wordpress thing sorted Lunar_Lander
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> well not really
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> it is a blog on wordpress' own site
[19:57] <Lunar_Lander> radim_OM2AMR, yea
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> I looked after that
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> there is no short circuit
[19:58] <HixPad> That one I set up is still there if you need the host space Lunar_Lander
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[19:58] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
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[19:59] <HixPad> You can just do a db export and import it into the existing one, then point the URL to the space
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:59] <HixPad> Just lemme know if you need a hand with it
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea I have to read into that
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> let's wait until after the flight happens hopefully successful :)
[20:00] <HixPad> Sure, Gute flug
[20:00] <HixPad> I'm ramping up for a flight soon too :D
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[20:01] <NickB1> looks good lunar
[20:01] <HixPad> There seem to be loads at the moment. HAB is gonna need its own ATC soon :)
[20:01] <NickB1> the only that I wouldnt trust is a switch
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> hey NickB1
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:02] <Lunar_Lander> it's too late to desolder it or so
[20:03] <Lunar_Lander> what about arresting it at ON with hot glue or so?
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[20:03] <NickB1> you can always bridge it
[20:04] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:04] <NickB1> so it starts when you connect the battery
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[20:04] <NickB1> one less thing that can brake
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> problem is that the arduino is soldered below
[20:06] <mclane> how did you connect the radiator wire to the BNC Lunar?
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> so to change the wiring I have to first disconnect it
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> you mean the NTX2 pins to the coax?
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> I soldered the core to the RF pin and the hull to the RF GND pin
[20:06] <mclane> no, I mean the yellow wire on your antenna picture
[20:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:07] <Lunar_Lander> I put the wire into the hole in the middle of the BNC and applied solder so that ran into the hole and made contact
[20:08] <mclane> ah ok. Consider SMA connectors for your next design; they are smaller and have much better RF performance
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:08] <radim_OM2AMR> good checklist Lunar :-)
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> the next board will be a one level design
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> i.e. having the CPU on the same board
[20:09] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:09] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I have 2 jumpers
[20:09] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: err
[20:09] <HixPad> Costyn are you expecting cold weather ;)
[20:09] <costyn> Lunar_Lander: I have 2 header pins sticking up which I bridge with a jumper when I want to turn on my payload
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:10] <costyn> with thanks to daveake
[20:10] <radim_OM2AMR> I don't know how DFS is working, slovak ATC could postpone your flight slightly, so we are filling balloon after final ack from ATC
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> we got one hour
[20:10] <Lunar_Lander> from the DFS
[20:11] <radim_OM2AMR> we have to call one hour before flight, then few minutes before flight again - that's final ack from them
[20:11] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: bah :(
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[20:12] <costyn> I can send mine up where I want when I want as long as it's further than 3km from an airport
[20:12] <radim_OM2AMR> they could say - wait 30 minutes& so that's the reason we inflating after second call
[20:13] <radim_OM2AMR> costyn, without CAA permit ?
[20:13] <HixPad> Good old Dutch leniency
[20:13] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: indeed
[20:14] <radim_OM2AMR> we obtained 2 hours launch window, when you will miss that window, you are not permited to fly - it is experience of other SK team
[20:14] <costyn> radim_OM2AMR: there are limits to balloon and payload size, but for our hobby hab purposes those are easy to stay within
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[20:14] <radim_OM2AMR> hmm, so are we all in EU ? :-D
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:15] <costyn> UK != EU? :)
[20:15] <HixPad> Too true
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[20:15] <costyn> HixPad: you're not missing anything
[20:16] <radim_OM2AMR> :-D
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[20:16] <HixPad> Nice places to cycle without busting balls on hills Costyn
[20:16] <costyn> HixPad: true
[20:16] <costyn> HixPad: but I meant, not being part of the EU
[20:16] <costyn> with the Euro and all that
[20:17] <Lunar_Lander> people say that the UK has good reasons not to abolish the pound for the euro
[20:17] <HixPad> Ah gotcha, yeah, stick with GBP thx
[20:18] <costyn> anyways, gotta go... ttyl
[20:19] <radim_OM2AMR> so back to theme :-) It looks, that the easiest HAB-bing is in Netherland, hardest in Czech (from laws point of view)
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> romania and hungary seem to be restrictive too
[20:22] <HixPad> Bye costyn
[20:22] <radim_OM2AMR> I don't understand that& the plane from Heathrow to Emirates is flying over all our countries NL, CZ, SK, mabe HU. And such different laws...
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[20:22] <HixPad> All filed with Brussels control radim_OM2AMR
[20:22] <radim_OM2AMR> DL Lander I forgot sorry :-D
[20:23] <x-f> don't forget Latvia - i haven't got the permit to launch from CAA for a year now :(
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> that is crappy
[20:23] <x-f> have a meeting with them next week, hope i'm in a good mood after that
[20:23] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:23] <radim_OM2AMR> x-f, oh that's very bad...
[20:26] <HixPad> Shit x-f that's shocking
[20:26] <HixPad> Getting ready to buy canon g9 for HAB if price is ok
[20:27] <GMT> x-f, can you show them what other countries do, and the results of hab flights in other countries (only the ones that had a good ending, hi!)
[20:27] <fsphil> urg, sounds like AVA ended like Storm
[20:29] <fsphil> the floats are going to need to start carrying heaters
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[20:31] <x-f> GMT, i've done that already and will continue to do until i'll succeed (or go to launch in a different country, or figure out something else)
[20:31] <NickB1> or less efficient regulators :)
[20:35] <HixPad> So I now have a Canon G9 to send up.
[20:36] <daveake> Full set of large images from PIE4 - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/368443/HAB/PIE4%20Large%20Photos.zip
[20:38] <Upu> evening all
[20:38] <Upu> £1 says if that had a HX1 on it we'd still know where it was :/
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, Estonia has Skype and so on
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> they might be more into tech :)
[20:39] <Upu> it detects faults with RFM22B number10_M0MDB and reboots as needed
[20:39] <daveake> evening Upu
[20:39] Action: fsphil suspects a photoshop job one one of these pics :)
[20:39] <daveake> Journey OK?
[20:39] <Upu> but thanks everyone for tracking and sorry it didn't make it
[20:39] <daveake> On one yes :)
[20:39] <Upu> yeah quite quick actually
[20:39] <HixPad> Hey Upu bummer about losing signal
[20:39] <fsphil> the rfm22b probably thinks it is fine
[20:40] <lz1dev> Upu: could it be frozen ?
[20:40] <Upu> very likely
[20:40] <Upu> the RFm22B
[20:40] <fsphil> they probably need to be reset every few minutes regardless
[20:40] <Upu> bet the GPS and AVR are working
[20:40] <Upu> I'll put that in the code
[20:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> super, tak
[20:41] <HixPad> What is predicted Posn for sunrise?
[20:41] <Upu> trouble is its going to be in Kazakhstan by sun rise
[20:41] <HixPad> Yagshemash
[20:41] <Upu> it was doing 100 mph ?
[20:41] <jonsowman> what happened to ava?
[20:41] <Upu> Looks like the RFM22B sucumbed to the cold
[20:41] <jonsowman> ah
[20:41] <jonsowman> :9
[20:41] <jonsowman> * :(
[20:41] <Upu> it died when the sun went down
[20:41] <daveake> I reported a "LL" prefix then it died ...
[20:42] <jonsowman> had a very good run though
[20:42] <Upu> which was a bummer as that was going to Poland easily
[20:42] <jonsowman> speedy as
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, ohhhhh
[20:42] <Upu> yeah the predictions didn't have that speed
[20:42] <fsphil> I measured 160km/h at one point
[20:42] <Upu> however no data for that altitude I suspect
[20:42] <jonsowman> yeah
[20:42] <lz1dev> GFS doesnt cover that altitude
[20:43] <Upu> but great test of the geofencing
[20:43] <Upu> apart from not knowing it was still in the UK it seemed to work
[20:44] <fsphil> it was a very nice float
[20:44] <fsphil> just eased right into it
[20:44] <Upu> yeah
[20:44] <Upu> 2m/s
[20:44] <Upu> 360g neck lift / 60g payload
[20:45] <lz1dev> what balloon ?
[20:45] <HixPad> How many minus stirks?
[20:45] <Upu> Hwoyee 1600
[20:45] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/iNvGs
[20:45] <Upu> it was that
[20:45] <Upu> the larger of the pink pair
[20:45] <lz1dev> aahh!!
[20:45] <lz1dev> the cat sabotaged it
[20:45] <Upu> don't generate much heat thats the issue
[20:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Upu on the bright side, the antenna and tx was good while it lasted, S3 at 0.3deg elevation here
[20:45] <Upu> yeah seems people got some good range on it :)
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[20:46] <Upu> I'll do it again :)
[20:46] <OZ1SKY_Brian> and we´ll be ready :-)
[20:46] <HixPad> Was good to see all the EU trackers lighting up on space near
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[20:46] <Upu> looks like the Geofence was reasonably accurate
[20:47] <HixPad> You also got the record for the shortest HAB excursion through France upu
[20:47] <HixPad> Surely
[20:47] <Upu> yeah that didn't last long did it ? :)
[20:47] <HixPad> Matter of seconds :)
[20:47] <NickB1> onde decode or so :)
[20:47] <NickB1> *one
[20:48] <Upu> was a great day out
[20:48] <Upu> the other launch was fun too
[20:48] Action: HixPad is questioning the sanity of launching a G9 for maiden flight
[20:48] <HixPad> In for a penny......
[20:49] <HixPad> Payload weight took a hit with that decision too
[20:49] <fsphil> it still lasted longer than Storm, though I launched that at night
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> Great flight UPU
[20:49] <HixPad> But RAW images from nearspace
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> good to see the pi flight was recovered :)
[20:49] <fsphil> I'd like to define near space as >= 60km :)
[20:50] <Upu> Cheers Chris
[20:50] <fsphil> the chase car video was great, amazed how well that works
[20:50] <chrisstubbs> managed to track it to about 200mi away then lost it, pretty happ with that
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[20:50] <fsphil> also seeing the two of you in the field from the payload was fantastic
[20:50] <chrisstubbs> would love to have watched it all but i was at work
[20:50] <daveake> lol
[20:51] <daveake> highlight for me was seeing the Pi video stream burst into life after landing
[20:51] <daveake> "It's not in a tree!" :)
[20:51] <fsphil> I managed to capture a bit of video of you picking it up
[20:51] <daveake> ah great
[20:51] <Upu> oh lets see it :)
[20:51] <fsphil> at the work PC, I'll see if I can remote in and grab it
[20:51] <daveake> ta
[20:52] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/tEq9UnN.jpg
[20:52] <Upu> it was very very close to the power lines
[20:53] <fsphil> yea, spotted that on the satellite map
[20:53] <HixPad> Ping GMT
[20:53] <x-f> you two in the car reading the chatlog: "it wasn't that close to the powerlines.. (looking out the window) nah, it was close!"
[20:54] <daveake> lol
[20:55] <Upu> lol
[20:55] <fsphil> it looked close on the map, then seeing them from the payload camera and they where realllly close
[20:56] <fsphil> it came in that direction, it must have just glanced them
[20:56] <Upu> short train
[20:56] <Upu> luckily
[20:56] <Upu> as it was windy
[20:59] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, what do you think about going to Estonia as I suggested?
[20:59] <Upu> 44 individual trackers on the stats
[20:59] <Upu> just wow guys
[20:59] <Upu> in fairness 3 of those were G8KNN :)
[21:00] <fsphil> lol
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> btw my attempts to expand the tracking network in northern germany are futile so far
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> I got 0 responses to this moment from the DARC regional clubs
[21:00] <Upu> go along
[21:00] <Upu> talk to them
[21:00] <Upu> do a presentation
[21:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:01] <Lunar_Lander> I wrote e-mails explaining what we are doing, how the spacenear system works and brought along mclane's translation of the tracking guide
[21:01] Action: Elwell looks at G-5500 rotors and sighs at the price.
[21:02] <Elwell> Anyone got a homebrew design? doesn't need to hold much weight
[21:02] <SpeedEvil> homebrew what?
[21:03] <Elwell> az/el rotor
[21:03] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:03] <NickB1> just when I finished my state of the art Yagi mount :/
[21:03] <NickB1> http://imageshack.us/a/img850/1183/dsc0031txv.jpg
[21:04] <NigeyS> you wanna get it on top of that crane nick :p
[21:04] <Elwell> NickB1: thats the sort of design I'll be using :-)
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> remember windloads
[21:04] <radim_OM2AMR> NickB1, are you using crane for it ? :-D
[21:05] <Upu> lol
[21:05] <NickB1> was thinking the same thing when I saw the crane :)
[21:05] <Upu> Diamond :)
[21:05] <Elwell> SpeedEvil: demountable when not in use (may even end up on a tripod in gafden and thrown in shed when wet/windy)
[21:05] <Upu> Elwell you can get away with just an AZ rotator
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> the easy way is a couple of servos, and a couple of servo testers
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> though one servo is probably fine
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> for 99% of stuff
[21:06] <NickB1> or control the servo's with an arduino
[21:06] <SpeedEvil> true
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[21:06] <SpeedEvil> manual is easy though
[21:06] <Elwell> arduino + hamlib ish would be plan
[21:07] <Elwell> then I have a gui in the shape of say gpredict
[21:07] <Upu> btw we found the issue with PAVA rebooting
[21:07] <Upu> the pin in the power plug wasn't seating correctly
[21:08] <GMT> Hix ... you called ...
[21:08] <Upu> when we unplugged it the wire just fell out of the plug housing
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> happens to the best particle accelerators.
[21:10] <S_Mark> Anywhere in the UK to get Hwoyee balloons other than Random Solutions?
[21:10] <S_Mark> Who are out of stock
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[21:11] <x-f> Lunar_Lander, we'll leave that as the last chance, before the "cancel and forget" option. also i'm more inclined to Lithuania
[21:12] <Upu> no S_Mark I would just wait they will be in shortly I suspect
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[21:14] <fsphil> I've a small Totex balloon
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[21:14] <Upu> those BBC people still need one I think
[21:14] <fsphil> they got my other one
[21:15] <Upu> ah ok cool
[21:15] <fsphil> I decided to go for another 1600g launch rather than the 1000g
[21:15] <HixPad> Hey GMT, dongles dispatched, here tomorrow
[21:16] <GMT> Hix: good news ... they're usually pretty quick.
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[21:17] <Broliv> evening all
[21:17] <Upu> evening
[21:17] <d0wnl0rd> @UPU: just had a look at today's events - congrats for your floater, really impressive (and btw thanbks for the module, I have received it in the meantime, I am just preparing the "bird")
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[21:17] <Upu> no problems at all
[21:17] <Upu> thanks for tracking if you did
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[21:17] <NickB1> bye all
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[21:17] <Upu> and if you enjoyed it our pleasure :)
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[21:18] <HixPad> Night nickb1
[21:18] <Broliv> Hey Anthony
[21:18] <GMT> Hix: download SDRSharp and Zadig vi instructions here - http://rtlsdr.org/softwarewindows
[21:18] <HixPad> GMT, Are you using win or nix for them?
[21:18] <GMT> win
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[21:19] <HixPad> Heh beat me to it
[21:19] <Broliv> I wondered if you had any more thoughts on the power issue I emailed you about?
[21:19] <HixPad> Cool cheers
[21:19] <GMT> Hix: Win on nix for you?
[21:19] <GMT> on=or
[21:20] <HixPad> Either, I plan to virtualise the server this weekend
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[21:20] <GMT> ok, I can only offer advice/help on Windows setup
[21:20] <HixPad> Nps
[21:21] <HixPad> You say you're doing adsb and wxsat too?
[21:22] <mfa298> Hix: I've got odd concerns over how well something like the rtl-sdr / sdr# / dl-fldigi will work on a virtual machine - I suppose I ought to test it out sometime
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[21:22] <GMT> yes, adsb via some win s/w called RTL1090
[21:22] <GMT> wx-sat was merley to detect the signals
[21:23] <HixPad> mfa298: Hmmm, I'll have a try to see.
[21:23] <HixPad> Gmt ok no probs, that's down the line anyhow
[21:24] <GMT> I've also 'done' some weather balloons
[21:24] <HixPad> Heh
[21:24] <fsphil> oh arr
[21:25] <HixPad> fsphil: HK said 45 days on the cams, despite advertising UK stock.
[21:25] <HixPad> Bastards
[21:25] <HixPad> Scuse my Flemish
[21:25] <S_Mark> OK I will wait no worries.
[21:26] <fsphil> yikes
[21:26] <fsphil> no sign of the parafoil yet
[21:26] <HixPad> Same as, though that was .nl so expected a wait
[21:27] <HixPad> Them IR arrays from china eBay arrived in 9 days
[21:27] <Broliv> Hey Guys, i'm wondering if you could give me a hand with a problem i've got with my HAB
[21:28] <mclane> what problem Broliv?
[21:31] <Broliv> It's to do with the power. I've got all of the parts of my HAB working independently however i'm starting to link them all together now. The problem i have is that when I power the GPS my NTX2 signal starts to drop off slightly and i'm not not getting a full decode
[21:31] <fsphil> define drop off?
[21:32] <Broliv> let me show you, I have a pic of the waterfall. One moment...
[21:33] <d0wnl0rd> @mclane: H2 delivery secured despite some anti-terrorism fears towards Walter :-) Will tell more on Saturday
[21:33] <fsphil> someone planning a ji-hab?
[21:33] <d0wnl0rd> :-)
[21:33] <mclane> uhh, ok. Hopefully he is not in prison;-)
[21:34] <d0wnl0rd> Told about his bailiff at home, so they let him go :-)
[21:35] <Broliv> http://aerospace.athbro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Waterfall-with-power-issue.jpg
[21:36] <Broliv> when the GPS is not powered it is as clear as anything
[21:36] <mclane> Broliv: can you show the schematics?
[21:39] <Broliv> yeah sure, it's on my phone. Give me a mo and i'll upload it
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[21:39] <Broliv> btw this is the waterfall without the GPS powered: http://aerospace.athbro.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Waterfall-with-power-issue-without-GPS.jpg
[21:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> This is what PIE4 might have seen today but for the cloud ;-) http://360.g8dhe.net/default.php?HAB
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[21:42] <S_Mark> Isn't that to do with your buffer length Broliv? Those debug messages should be seen in your serial debug window in the arduino IDE, not being transmitted over RTTY
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[21:43] <Lunar_Lander> x-f, why more lithuania if I may ask?
[21:43] <SP9UOB> evening all
[21:44] <SP9UOB> i mobilized polish HAMS
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[21:44] <radim_OM2AMR> hi tomek
[21:44] <Upu> hey SP9UOB
[21:44] <Upu> it stopped transmitting
[21:44] <fsphil> and you do it well
[21:44] <Upu> but welcome to see if it comes back
[21:44] <Upu> should be over you now
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[21:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Brightwalton, Monday 25th and
[21:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN42 - midweek"
[21:46] <SP9UOB> im in the Warsaw till sunday
[21:47] <Elwell> Geoff-G8DHE: you into spherical visuaisation stuff?
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[21:48] <Broliv> Right sorry about that. I put all the pictures I have of the issue all in one place: http://aerospace.athbro.com/?cat=6
[21:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Duh yes ....
[21:49] <Elwell> you seen http://paulbourke.net/dome/ -- some cool stuff there
[21:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes some nice stuff goes on with Domes, had some stuff down here a little while ago http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/pages/view.asp?page=32636
[21:51] <Broliv> Hey S_Mark, I've not thought about it being the buffer, i'm just sending over text that is written in the code at the moment. I've not got to the point of pulling the data from the GPS yet, other than to get an ack to say it has been successfully set
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[21:51] <Elwell> 21m dia? nice
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[21:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup some great stuff done on Dartmoor, 24 hour video pano done from Haytor and the like!
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[21:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you seen the russian crews images and video from a HAB flight ?
[21:55] <SP9UOB> Upu: too cold?
[21:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> See there site here its currently the last entry on the page "Flight to Stratosphere", would luv to do my own version! http://www.airpano.com/
[21:56] <Elwell> lemme guess, they built a windscreen with a dashcam?
[21:56] <Upu> yeah suspect the RFM has frozen
[21:56] <Upu> it does have some recovery in there for the RFM
[21:56] <Upu> but unless the RFM knows its not working it won't work
[21:57] <Upu> I should put a reset in every 50 telemetry lines
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> Geoff-G8DHE, yea I heard that they launched without any authorization?
[21:57] <SP9UOB> Upu: in my code reinit is every 90 seconds
[21:57] <Upu> never had an issue before but meh
[21:57] <SP9UOB> and it does the job
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[21:58] <Upu> I suspect if we had a HX1 on there it would still be TXing
[21:58] <Upu> its still up there
[21:58] <SP9UOB> Upu: also fsphil had that issue
[21:58] <Upu> unlikely to burst before dawn
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> btw Upu we dug up some of that isolation foam for walls
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> good idea to put some around the NTX2?
[21:58] <Upu> can do Lunar_Lander
[21:58] <SP9UOB> Upu: and i replayed it (upu has my recording)
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[21:58] <Upu> NTX2's are better fro cold
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Wouldn't put anything past the Russian crews! But not like the normal AirPano team as they have commercial work and insurance to pay!!!
[21:59] <Broliv> Wow that panorama view is pretty cool
[21:59] <Elwell> Geoff-G8DHE: love the moon shot
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[22:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> This chap Aldo Hoeben also does some fantastic work with mirrors and projection http://fieldofview.com// hasn't done anything on the HAB front, but would make a nice projection for a Hot Air balloon !
[22:09] <Broliv> Cheers for the comments S_Mark, i'm going to go a write up some more code to test it out
[22:09] <Broliv> Night all
[22:10] <S_Mark> Night
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[22:11] <SP9UOB> night all
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[22:21] <GMT> gn all, see you all for the next launch.
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[22:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing on last ava chech here, nice flight though, gn all
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[22:35] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[22:41] <Lunar_Lander> hi jcoxon
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[22:51] <jcoxon> hey Lunar_Lander
[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[22:54] <jcoxon> not bad thanks
[22:54] <jcoxon> you?
[22:54] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Launch announcement XABEN42 - midweek"
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> me neither
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> I will possibly fly on March 5
[22:57] <jcoxon> excellent
[22:58] <mattbrejza> hey jcoxon, did you get my email?
[22:58] <jcoxon> yeah
[22:58] <jcoxon> i can retune
[22:58] <mattbrejza> ok thanks
[22:58] <jcoxon> is 434.300 good for people?
[22:59] <mattbrejza> ive gone and pushed the board into the box and soldered the antenna to it
[22:59] <mattbrejza> so it will probably be a pain
[22:59] <mattbrejza> having said that predictions are getting worse :(
[22:59] <fsphil> anything above 434.100 is probably fine
[23:00] <mattbrejza> .250 is being used potentially too
[23:00] <mattbrejza> sharp is 650 & 869 MHz
[23:00] <mattbrejza> i think tahts all
[23:00] <fsphil> ooh 869, finally
[23:00] <mattbrejza> now they have sorted insurance i think
[23:00] <mattbrejza> or risk assessmet
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[23:01] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, okay i'll go for 434.350Mhz
[23:01] <mattbrejza> :) thanks
[23:02] <mattbrejza> if i cba to implement uplink it could be reporgrammed that way
[23:02] <mattbrejza> no faffing around then
[23:02] <fsphil> 100khz apart, should be within the range of the fcdp+
[23:03] <mattbrejza> if the wind doesnt shift up a little might have to ask someone very nicely for their site
[23:03] <mattbrejza> would DM give you another weekend at short notice?
[23:04] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, is that directed at me?
[23:04] <mattbrejza> anyone really
[23:04] <jcoxon> possibly
[23:04] <mattbrejza> would much prefer to launch 20min down the road oc
[23:05] <mattbrejza> rather than driving to cam
[23:05] <jcoxon> i guess cambridge is easier as permission is in place
[23:05] <jcoxon> oh well i'm further
[23:05] <mattbrejza> what happened to the winds coming from the SW
[23:05] <mattbrejza> soton should be fine for most of the year
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[23:07] <mattbrejza> brb
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[23:08] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/12311_trj001.gif
[23:09] <RocketBoy> :-)
[23:09] <fsphil> does that come back around the whole way?
[23:10] <jcoxon> sort of
[23:10] <jcoxon> hold on
[23:11] <jcoxon> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13314_trj001.gif
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[23:12] <lz1dev> lol
[23:14] Action: fsphil has days like that
[23:14] <fsphil> ah, looks like a slingshot
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[23:14] <fsphil> hits the faster air further north I suppose
[23:14] <jcoxon> so do we fly aprs...
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[23:15] <fsphil> on 2m?
[23:15] <jcoxon> yeah
[23:16] <jcoxon> so Upu's board is pico sized...
[23:16] <fsphil> if there's a 70cm module on there too
[23:16] <jcoxon> yeah its 2 boards that go together
[23:16] <jcoxon> i was just going to fly the 70cm
[23:16] <jcoxon> and not the aprs daughter board
[23:17] <fsphil> foils are tricky things to float, might not be worth sending the aprs
[23:17] <lz1dev> is there aprs coverage in sweden ?
[23:17] <jcoxon> lz1dev, i think so
[23:18] <jcoxon> fsphil, yeah i was thinking that too
[23:18] <jcoxon> but then this flight path would allow for potentially easy recovery
[23:19] <lz1dev> jcoxon: there seems to be
[23:19] <jcoxon> and the aprs could work once landed
[23:19] <fsphil> there is that too
[23:20] <lz1dev> but once you reach Latvia, Belarus or Ukraine, there is no covarage
[23:20] <fsphil> yea good idea, it should be floating long before it leaves dry land
[23:21] <fsphil> well there's the bristol channel
[23:21] <fsphil> and tha little excursion out over the english channel
[23:22] <Randomskk> did we all se ethe inspiration mars stuff & feasibility study?
[23:22] <fsphil> only heard a few comments about it, nothing direct
[23:23] <lz1dev> link ? :)
[23:23] <Randomskk> russss linked to the feasibility study: http://www.inspirationmars.com/Inspiration%20Mars_Feasibility%20Analysis_IEEE.pdf
[23:23] <fsphil> those comments where basically along the lines of, you can't possibly calculate the risk before any of the hardware is developed
[23:23] <Randomskk> basically the plan is to do a free return to mars in 2018
[23:23] <Randomskk> with two people
[23:23] <Randomskk> the press release was like "sex! in space!"
[23:23] <fsphil> urg
[23:23] <Randomskk> the feasibility study is like "we can save space by not having clothing. or food. or toilet paper."
[23:23] <russss> heh
[23:24] <Randomskk> but also like "we reckon about 7m³ should be enough free space"
[23:24] <g7ogxchris> lots of APRS activity in Sweden
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[23:25] <g7ogxchris> they reckon technical ability is available for Mars now
[23:25] <Randomskk> on a free return it's fairly easy to send something there and back
[23:25] <Randomskk> having two people onboard would tend to complicate it
[23:25] <fsphil> I think it would be much easier to do a free return to Venus
[23:25] <fsphil> certainly quicker
[23:25] <Randomskk> not as cool though is it
[23:26] <fsphil> still another planet!
[23:26] <Elwell> wow. aprs coverage really does vanish once yoy get to lithuania
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[23:27] <fsphil> venus is also easier to land on
[23:27] <fsphil> though that whole surviving thing would be tricky
[23:28] <fsphil> I do wish someone would try another lander there
[23:28] <fsphil> I'm sure something could be made to survive a few days on the surface
[23:29] <russss> I think there's less incentive there
[23:29] <Randomskk> we have photos from the surface don't we?
[23:29] <fsphil> yea
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[23:29] <Randomskk> it looks a lot more alien than mars
[23:29] <russss> I think we have one photo
[23:30] <russss> http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_V14color.jpg
[23:30] <Randomskk> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/image/planetary/venus/venera13-right.jpg
[23:30] <Randomskk> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html
[23:30] <Randomskk> and some 3d renderings from the data
[23:30] <fsphil> http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_Venera_Perspective.jpg
[23:30] <Randomskk> the 3d renderings look great
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[23:42] <SpeedEvil> fsphil: it's sort of plausible. sodium sulphur batteries on the outside of a vacuum insulated electronics box
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> you can do all sorts of weird things - other than rockets, which suck - at the atmoaspheroc density
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> a rtg makes things lots better
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[23:48] <griffonbot> Received email: A. Coghlan "[UKHAS] Horizon 2 Launch Announcement - 9th March 2013 - Walsall, UK"
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