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[03:15] <arko> woot
[03:15] <arko> Strand-1 approaches in 10 minutes
[03:17] <nigelvh> I'm not familiar with Strand-1
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[07:19] Action: arko throws a stone down
[07:19] Action: arko hears echos
[07:20] <x-f> did you hear Strand-1, too?
[07:21] <x-f> morning, all
[07:22] <arko> yes
[07:22] <arko> it was too weak to decode
[07:22] <arko> my antenna wasn't great
[07:22] <arko> totally wrong frequency
[07:24] <x-f> right, that one is for 137
[07:24] <x-f> gonna build another one now?
[07:24] <x-f> for science!
[07:24] <nigelvh> What is strand-1?
[07:26] <x-f> nigelvh, http://amsat-uk.org/satellites/strand-1/ - Smartphone CubeSat, CUSF was involved in making it, launched yesterday
[07:27] <arko> yes, i shall build another for science
[07:27] <arko> anyone here work on it?
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[07:28] <x-f> afaik, a few, yes
[07:29] <arko> oh sweet
[07:29] <arko> :)
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[08:09] <nosebleedkt> I have a cool idea but of course difficult to implement
[08:09] <nosebleedkt> :D
[08:10] <costyn> nosebleedkt: explain?
[08:10] <nosebleedkt> why not build 3 quadcopters which carry a net, so when payload falls below 1-2 km the copters go and trap it in their net and bring it to you.
[08:11] <nosebleedkt> :D :D
[08:11] <nosebleedkt> instead of running the country with the car :D
[08:13] <nosebleedkt> sounds like science fiction but it can be done by the proper guys
[08:13] <nosebleedkt> :D
[08:14] <arko> and the proper budget
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[08:24] <costyn> yes, it sounds dangerous, difficult and expensive :)
[08:24] <costyn> and perhaps illegal (gov'ts aren't usually fan of UAVs)
[08:30] <fsphil> or use a hook
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[09:09] <craag> Morning Upu
[09:13] <craag> It's a habrotate bug, it only grabs the 8 latest flight docs that were put on habitat, and then shows the approved ones. I thought that would be enough!
[09:13] <craag> Rebooting now for a recompile..
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[09:20] <eroomde> morning alles
[09:31] <HixWork> Has anyone used the Radiometrix TX2A or TX2S modules?
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[09:51] <costyn> DanielRichman: can you approve c6e66f2af3b49012903eea185408d9b3 please? thanks
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[09:56] <radim_OM2AMR> ping Upu
[09:56] <radim_OM2AMR> or daveake :-)
[09:56] Action: daveake hides
[09:57] <radim_OM2AMR> :-)
[09:57] <HixWork> he's over there
[09:58] <x-f> relevant - http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpelxvVWCN1qggjdao1_500.gif
[09:59] <daveake> :)
[09:59] <costyn> x-f: XD
[10:00] <radim_OM2AMR> I would like to ask about euro floater legacy, if anybody knows :-)
[10:00] <HixWork> i thought they'd cleaned the beaches up
[10:00] <daveake> Yeah Upu's your man
[10:01] <radim_OM2AMR> our CAA is saying, that for flight abroad is needed permission from each country :-(
[10:01] <daveake> It's just running rtty no APRS at all, but the rtty will include a marker for which country it thinks it's over
[10:01] <daveake> Ah, well, it is of course planned to burst but he may accidentally underfill it
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[10:02] <radim_OM2AMR> "accidentially" - hope so :-D
[10:02] <daveake> :)
[10:02] <daveake> brb
[10:02] <HixWork> -stirks?
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[10:03] <radim_OM2AMR> no stirks for now
[10:04] <x-f> radim_OM2AMR, i got a similar sentence about permissions from our CAA as well, and they added "unless it's a meteosonde"
[10:04] <radim_OM2AMR> the question is, if there is any possibility to obtain single pan-europe permission from Brussels or so
[10:05] <fsphil> the IAA (Irish avaiation authority) said they couldn't do anything about a sonde floating into their airspace. but they'd like to be told anyway
[10:06] <radim_OM2AMR> It's smart claim
[10:07] <radim_OM2AMR> the worst restrictions are in Czech I think. The last request for czech guys was for exact flight prediction -2 months in advance :-|
[10:08] <fsphil> basically impossible
[10:08] <fsphil> -2 months in advance though.. wouldn't that be 2 months after? :)
[10:08] <HixWork> well, it is a prediction, not a flight plan, so..... just give them a prediction :)
[10:09] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) I think that man in CAA.CZ doesn't know anything about meteorology
[10:09] <HixWork> their fault for wording it so :)
[10:09] <mfa298> sounds like it just needs some small text "Predictions may not be accurate and can vary with the weather" pt1 should do it :p
[10:10] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm afraid that CAA.SK will inherit that strange prerequisities someday..
[10:13] <HixWork> lolse the word accurate and change to "predictions are liable to fluctuations dependent upon local meteorological activity" 0.5pt white text on white background
[10:13] <radim_OM2AMR> :-D
[10:13] <mfa298> even better
[10:13] <HixWork> :D
[10:17] <HixWork> no people are around, any comments on Radiometrix's TX2A or TX2S? any use or none at all for HAB
[10:17] <HixWork> *now
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[10:37] <fsphil> chase car on the map
[10:39] <lz1dev> i see it
[10:40] <HixWork> elsworth, is that CUSF land?
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> What times are launches plannes?
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[10:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> 11:00 planned +++++actualy ?
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> ;)
[10:40] <daveake> Not CUSF it's Steve's site
[10:40] <LazyLeopard> 11am HAPtime
[10:41] <LazyLeopard> HABtime, even
[10:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> After the Bacon sarnie
[10:41] <HixWork> ahh, bugger. It's reasonably near me, so thought it might be a site option
[10:43] <eroomde> HixWork: it happens to be only a 15min drive from CUSF's site
[10:43] <eroomde> which is churchill college
[10:44] <HixWork> ahh, nice. Do they accept requests?
[10:44] <eroomde> yes
[10:44] <HixWork> thinking DM will be more lenient
[10:44] <HixWork> oh, excellent
[10:44] <eroomde> well, they have a rolling notam
[10:44] <eroomde> permentantly open
[10:44] <HixWork> this gets better
[10:44] <eroomde> so DM doesn't ever get involved
[10:44] <eroomde> you just decide to lau ch and then you launch
[10:44] <HixWork> wow
[10:44] <eroomde> i lost about 2 pints of blood trying to get that
[10:44] <HixWork> what's the catch / bad news - c'mon
[10:44] <eroomde> but it's been a lifesaver
[10:45] <eroomde> there is no bad news
[10:45] <HixWork> lies its all lies
[10:45] <eroomde> well, the winds tend to take it northeast
[10:45] <HixWork> there is always bad news
[10:45] <eroomde> and there's not much northeast
[10:45] <eroomde> and-wise
[10:45] <eroomde> and-wise*
[10:45] <eroomde> barghrah
[10:45] <eroomde> LAND-wise*
[10:45] <HixWork> theres a lot of drink
[10:45] <HixWork> salty drink
[10:46] <daveake> A popular destination
[10:46] <HixWork> who do I ask?
[10:46] <HixWork> or bribe
[10:47] <HixWork> from CUSF?
[10:47] <eroomde> Randomskk or jonsowman
[10:47] <Jess--> NNE would aim it straight at me
[10:48] <jonsowman> hello
[10:48] <eroomde> or even me if they're not around but i'm not on the notam anymore (praise be) so i'd have to get one of them along
[10:48] <eroomde> but they are here, so moot point
[10:48] <Randomskk> indeed
[10:48] <Randomskk> maybe email contact@cusf.co.uk with details of when and what :P
[10:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> In FLdigi there is frequency tracking - does this work with SDR software or only the physical radio connections?
[10:49] <costyn> Randomskk: can you authorize flight docs on habitat?
[10:50] <Randomskk> yes but not this instant as I have to go to a lecture
[10:50] <fsphil> only radios that hamlib can control Geoff-G8DHE
[10:50] <Randomskk> but other people here can, or ask in #habhub
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thaiught that was the case!
[10:50] <costyn> Randomskk: ok thanks
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> even thought
[10:50] <Randomskk> bbl
[10:50] <fsphil> there is some support for retuning the FCD on Linux
[10:50] <fsphil> and kinda windows, but it's a pain and I don't think anyone got it working
[10:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Windows here and not about to change ...
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh right and clues anywhere ?
[10:51] <HixWork> cheers for the info eroomde and Randomskk
[10:51] <fsphil> you need to compile it from source
[10:51] <fsphil> which involves linux actually... :)
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right .....
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[10:51] <HixWork> oh, Randomskk did you notice Tom's flight passed bery near to Randomsok at the weekend :)
[10:52] <costyn> HixWork: lol
[10:52] <fsphil> I believe Upu and DanielRichman tried it but didn't get it working
[10:53] <Upu> yeah gave up
[10:53] <fsphil> a better solution would be to have fldigi (or hamlib I suppose) control the SDR software
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Doesn't sound promising then ... shame it would let when concentrate on more useful stuff!
[10:54] <HixWork> Geoff-G8DHE, you could run ubuntu from a disc to try it out?
[10:54] <fsphil> steve's flight don't often have much drift so you should be fine :)
[10:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nah just not into switching OS's there just a tool for me
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> The NTX2 I've heard seem a bit more stable ah something appears on the channel ..... probably interference ..
[10:55] <Elwell> hamlib hook to centre SDR freq would be cool
[10:56] <fsphil> I'm sure it wouldn't be tricky
[10:56] <fsphil> maybe get the various SDR programs to use a common system
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[10:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> It would help with the idea of longer flights that are being proposed
[10:56] <fsphil> a simple api to query and set the frequency and mode
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[10:58] <Elwell> fsphil: I see you've commented on a few gqrx issues, have you stuck this as a feat req
[10:58] <Elwell> ?
[11:00] <fsphil> nope. I just commented on one of alexandru's own feature requests
[11:00] <fsphil> I can't remember extactly what he said now
[11:01] <Elwell> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gqrx/tX2di4OHbMI
[11:01] <Elwell> its on his todo list
[11:02] <fsphil> ah, gpredict and it would be a nice thing to have
[11:03] <Elwell> I guess gpredict -> hamlib -> gqrx would be generic enough?
[11:03] <fsphil> https://github.com/csete/gqrx/issues/43
[11:03] <fsphil> totally
[11:04] <fsphil> what I want is a tcp port I can connect to
[11:04] <fsphil> that creates a new demodulator internally, and sends the audio through the network
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[11:04] <fsphil> that would allow multiple clients to connect, and retune at will within the range of the hardware
[11:05] <HixWork> my bad Randomskk it was Randomskó http://i.imgur.com/xY2WvdH.png
[11:05] <fsphil> gqrx at the moment isn't built like that
[11:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes that would be handy <fsphil>
[11:05] <fsphil> it has an object that handles everything
[11:05] <Elwell> fuckit I'll add an explicit hamlib request :-)
[11:05] <fsphil> so breaking it apart would be a fair bit of work
[11:05] <fsphil> but yes, hamlib would be good enough for now :)
[11:05] <fsphil> might be good to try and get the sdrsharp guys onboard aswell
[11:07] <Elwell> issue #59 if you want to comment
[11:07] <fsphil> see it
[11:07] <fsphil> I'd like it not to crash retuning the FCD but it seems to be a libusb bug :)
[11:08] <Elwell> can't exec "aclocal" -- grr I dislike osx sometimes
[11:08] <fsphil> and fcdp+ support
[11:08] <fsphil> though I understand that's on the todo list too
[11:10] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] HABrotate v0.5.2"
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[11:11] <Elwell> paint fail http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-26/red-faces-over-drink-drive-message/4540642
[11:12] <fsphil> haha
[11:13] <S_Mark> hello all, any news on Steve?
[11:13] <fsphil> chase car on the map, nothing else yet
[11:13] <S_Mark> ok thanks
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[11:16] <fsphil> still early yet
[11:19] <S_Mark> who decides whether to put the predicted path on the spacenear map when flights are in the air?
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[11:19] <Upu> a few of us
[11:19] <daveake> special people
[11:19] <S_Mark> lol
[11:19] <lz1dev> important people
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[11:19] <Upu> just include launch location, ascent and decent and expected burst altitude in your mail
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[11:20] <Upu> very special
[11:20] <S_Mark> cool nice and easy
[11:20] <radim_OM2AMR> VIP :-)
[11:21] <fsphil> I was special, but now I'm not
[11:21] <fsphil> I must poke natrium42 about that :)
[11:24] <fsphil> horrible noises down at 434.075
[11:24] <fsphil> more than usual today
[11:25] <HixWork> I'm thinking i should be using 434.650 when I launch, seems to be less infected?
[11:25] <fsphil> generally seems the further from 433.900 the better
[11:25] <gonzo__> it's rare I can get complete packets that far down the band
[11:25] <gonzo__> 650 is usually totally quiet near me
[11:26] <fsphil> here too
[11:26] <gonzo__> and I'm in a buiolt up area
[11:26] <Upu> is infected the right word ? :)
[11:26] <fsphil> there is a repeater about 50km from here with an input on 434.650, but I've yet to hear anything there
[11:26] <HixWork> I'vd had really bad interference on /075 so guessing .650 is the way to go
[11:27] <fsphil> my god, lunar's flight is in the payload list in dl-fldigi
[11:27] <fsphil> this is really happening
[11:27] <jonsowman> :D
[11:27] <HixWork> so 433.9 is bad area then? rules out the module I was looking at this morn http://goo.gl/svd4P
[11:28] <fsphil> most of the ISM noise here is centered around 433.9
[11:28] <fsphil> a continous stream of blips and bleeps
[11:28] <fsphil> continuous*
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[11:29] <gonzo__> you may not be able to use that module for narrow TX shifts
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm find a spot here http://360.g8dhe.net/capture.jpg
[11:30] <fsphil> scary amout of traffic there eh
[11:30] <gonzo__> the NTX2 is different, it has a direct modulation inoput, where the input voltage shifts the frequency in a liniear-ish fashion
[11:31] <gonzo__> other modules have a ttl input, so you are stuck with the very wide shift that the module defaults to. That module probably shiftfs >40KHz
[11:31] <Upu> indeed Geoff-G8DHE
[11:31] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/qrm.png
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[11:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> You don't realise the amount of rubbish kicking around till you see the waterfalls!
[11:33] <gonzo__> (TX2 spec sheet gives nominal shift at 27kHz)
[11:34] <gonzo__> especially if you look at it in a greater than 3khz bandwidth
[11:36] <HixWork> so it's a no go on the tx2s then? shame as it's a lot smaller
[11:36] <HixWork> and I'm not confident on programming the RFM22 yet
[11:37] <gonzo__> the NTX2 is your friend
[11:37] <fsphil> it's everyones friend
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[11:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> If I go for a Coffee its bound to appear ....
[11:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> No Tab on the tracker yet ?
[11:43] <Jess--> you guys have a hell of a lot more noise than me, I'm watching 434.0 to 434.2 and I have a blank waterfall over 5 minutes
[11:43] <fsphil> you live in a cave?
[11:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> Lucky Sod
[11:43] <Jess--> nearly.... Lincolnshire
[11:43] <HixWork> lincolnshire, so as quiet as a cave :)
[11:43] <fsphil> lol
[11:44] <HixWork> apart from military airborne
[11:44] <Jess--> position is on the map M0VBR
[11:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> I hear NASA are going to send a Lander to look for life ...
[11:46] <HixWork> i missread that as NASA are gong to send Lunar_Lander to look for life :)
[11:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> ;-)
[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> I reckon he jumped in the car and left the balloon ..
[11:48] <Jess--> here's my current waterfall http://81.168.22.130/blank.jpg (5 minutes in view)
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[11:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Have you connected an aerial ?
[11:48] <Jess--> yes, sharmans x50 at 50 feet
[11:49] <Jess--> that's preamp on, high mixer gain and 40db of if gain
[11:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> And the cave is 100' underground ?
[11:49] <fsphil> they really does look like no antenna haha
[11:49] <gonzo__> try centring on 433.900
[11:50] <gonzo__> just as an insanity check
[11:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> I remember when testing GB3VV on 2.4Ghz TV from Brighton race Hill, we swept the band with an analyser and the noise level rose over Brighton with WiFi signals 20dB
[11:51] Nick change: AndChat- -> NigeyMoby
[11:53] <Jess--> I see my weather station
[11:54] <fsphil> steve is late
[11:54] <Jess--> not surprising as it's about 50cm from the antenna
[11:54] <fsphil> we're into ISH time
[11:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its going fly this afternoon soon ....
[11:55] <Jess--> 433.9 center http://81.168.22.130/blankish.jpg
[11:55] <fsphil> ah, you've detected signs of intelligent life
[11:56] <x-f> heh
[11:57] <gonzo__> proof will be if you see HAb sigs
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[11:57] <daveake> Frozen yet RocketBoy?
[11:57] <gonzo__> not sure i'd consider the bulk of 433meg traffic as idnicitive of intelligent life!
[11:58] <RocketBoy> 20 mins
[11:58] <RocketBoy> not too cold
[11:58] <Jess--> especially if you listen to the repeaters
[11:58] <daveake> ah good
[11:59] <fsphil> http://i.imgur.com/f3sUJoW.png?1 <-- 433.900 here
[11:59] <gonzo__> was thinking of the 433.9 traffic. But tbh, AR repeate traffic is prob worse. A very bad shop window for the nobby
[12:00] <Jess--> gonzo__ I tracked xaben last time without any problems
[12:01] <gonzo__> poss you really are just so far out in the sticks?
[12:02] <gonzo__> or the area is full of old people with no gadgetry
[12:02] <RocketBoy> no balloons on the map - any clues -all configured ok here
[12:03] <fsphil> no telemetry being uploaded, at least nothing in the logtail RocketBoy
[12:03] <RocketBoy> strange - car is on the map
[12:04] <fsphil> last update of the car was 10:28
[12:04] <fsphil> definitly online?
[12:04] <RocketBoy> and its decoding in dl-flgigi ok
[12:04] <Upu> offline it and online it
[12:04] <Upu> nothing coming through server side
[12:04] <RocketBoy> i'll restart
[12:04] <Upu> whats ground frequencies when you get a sec
[12:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> No Tab on the tracker, does it need to be approved or anything ?
[12:05] <fsphil> already approved
[12:05] <fsphil> just no data being uploaded yet
[12:06] <HixWork> oh, wow, just looked up Churchill College.
[12:06] <fsphil> there it goes
[12:06] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hey
[12:06] <HixWork> so easy to get to, off M11 at j13 and just down the road
[12:06] <fsphil> you're on now RocketBoy
[12:06] <Maxell> It's TIEM!!! :D
[12:06] <fsphil> both payload and car updating
[12:06] <fsphil> and a prediction for Banbury
[12:06] <fsphil> yay
[12:07] <fsphil> and the other xaben now
[12:07] <HixWork> hello XABEN-1
[12:07] <HixWork> and XABEN-0
[12:07] <daveake> We meet again
[12:07] <daveake> triple digits next year
[12:07] <HixWork> XABEN-0 burst already :P
[12:07] <Maxell> lol
[12:08] <HixWork> oh, up
[12:08] <Upu> not yet
[12:08] <daveake> nope
[12:08] <HixWork> hmm ublox scatter
[12:08] <HixWork> -10.9 to +6.5
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[12:12] <NickB1> does the rtlsdr need any special settings under sdrsharp?
[12:12] <NickB1> getting a lot of pops in the audio
[12:12] <NickB1> works fine under gqrx on mac
[12:13] <Maxell> NickB1: is the computer fast enough?
[12:13] <Maxell> You could always ask #sdrsharp
[12:14] <Upu> only XABEN0 is updating Steve
[12:14] <NickB1> think so
[12:14] <Upu> dunno if thats intentional
[12:14] <NickB1> Dual core i7?
[12:14] <chrisg7ogx> i think SDR Sharp is renowned for being less demanding on processing power
[12:14] <Upu> i& is fine
[12:14] <Upu> i anything
[12:15] <Maxell> Ehm, you could increase the audio buffer, iirc.
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[12:20] <RocketBoy> camera faffing - sorry
[12:23] <GMT> doesn't appear to be going up very quickly ... or has it not launched yet?
[12:23] <Upu> not launched
[12:23] <Upu> whats dial freq RocketBoy ?
[12:23] <GMT> ah, okay
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> It flies
[12:26] <Upu> nope :)
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[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> NOT
[12:36] <fsphil> hehe
[12:36] Action: fsphil will refrain from predictions this evening
[12:36] <daveake> wise move :)
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[12:39] <Maxell> Lol, GPS... Altitude: -262 m
[12:41] <LazyLeopard> Parachute!
[12:43] <daveake> Just another meteor
[12:44] <gonzo__> nope, he's dropped it
[12:44] <gonzo__> very hard
[12:44] <lz1dev> daveake: meteors dont have gps  _ 
[12:45] <gonzo__> unless the pick up a hab on their way
[12:46] <daveake> They acquire that function by assimilation
[12:46] <HixWork> I'm in the market for an SDR, Upu out till march so i found this -http://goo.gl/iXOyb which uses the FC0012 tuner
[12:46] <HixWork> I assume it's ok to use, though could do with some pointers regarding the ainti-static diod and the RF connector
[12:46] <Upu> yeah should have them in the next few weeks but am out at the moment
[12:47] <Upu> need to pop it open
[12:47] <HixWork> yup..
[12:48] <NickB1> diode http://uk.farnell.com/nxp/bav99/diode-dual-sot-23/dp/1081211
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[12:50] <GMT> probably the best available cheap 'dongle SDR' has an R820T chip inside
[12:51] <GMT> rather than an FC0012
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[12:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> it appears to rise .......
[12:51] <Maxell> 7~114m
[12:51] <Maxell> yeah right
[12:51] <Upu> nope Geoff-G8DHE :)
[12:52] <HixWork> found a gigabyte model that is on the list in the wiki http://goo.gl/iXOyb that'll bo ok won't it?
[12:52] <HixWork> where does the BSV99 diode go then?
[12:52] <Upu> depends if there is pads for it
[12:53] <Upu> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63720513/Images/HAB/HAB%20Filter/IMG_0693%20-%20Copy.JPG
[12:54] <GMT> There's a company in Jersey/Guernsey doing cheap DVB-T dongles with R820T chip ... called Cosycave
[12:54] <Upu> note SOT23 pads just below antenna in on both boards are unpopulated
[12:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> Why not these http://bit.ly/13Lep23
[12:54] <Upu> E4000's are sought after
[12:54] <Upu> good tuner
[12:54] <fsphil> could be fake though, being ebay
[12:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thge two I have here from him work fine ....
[12:55] <GMT> R820T ones are 'even more' sought after!
[12:55] <HixWork> trying to get something sorted for the weekend, US, not going to work
[12:55] <GMT> see https://www.cosycave.co.uk/
[12:56] <GMT> £8 for R820T version, less than that for E4K
[12:56] <HixWork> on that EzTV668 there is an E4000 chip Upu
[12:56] <Maxell> Weird, the E4000's are not being made anymore.
[12:56] <Upu> I know
[12:57] <Upu> unlikely HixWork
[12:57] <Upu> they've not fitted them to them for a while
[12:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Do you need tthe Anti-Fungal as well ?
[12:57] <RocketBoy> 10mins
[12:57] <Maxell> Would the R820T be more ready for the HAB job then a Fitipower FC0013?
[12:57] <Upu> cheers Steve
[12:57] <Upu> for the band we use
[12:57] <Maxell> w00t
[12:57] <fsphil> I don't think there is much difference on 70cm
[12:57] <Upu> doesn't make a difference
[12:58] <fsphil> some have wider frequency ranges
[12:58] <Maxell> Ok, and the tuner being overloaded due too police pager?
[12:58] <Upu> See : http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[12:58] <gonzo__> apparently there are huge stiocks of E4000 chips in the elonics stores. But being haggled over by the receivers
[12:58] <fsphil> that happens most USB SDR dongles
[12:58] <fsphil> you just need a good filter Maxell
[12:59] <Maxell> ok, yeah, we need to get rid of that freq. It's making commercial fm broadcast go all over the place
[12:59] <fsphil> yea I had huge problems with commercial FM
[12:59] <fsphil> the habamp solved that
[12:59] <Maxell> http://i.imgur.com/XdADAyZ.jpg
[12:59] <Maxell> nice, habamp will arrive soon, I guess..
[13:00] <Maxell> That way we don't have to make another coaxial filter.
[13:00] <fsphil> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=73
[13:00] <fsphil> ^^ habamp
[13:00] <Maxell> yeah, we already had one
[13:00] <Maxell> I broke it, I think.
[13:00] <fsphil> uhoh
[13:00] <Maxell> :p
[13:01] <Maxell> I've tested a lot with and without. The day we set it up for reals, it just makes *eveything* dissapear.
[13:01] <fsphil> got it in the right way around?
[13:01] <HixWork> Upu http://i.imgur.com/LxSGMpY.jpg
[13:01] <HixWork> from your photo
[13:01] <Upu> yep thats an old one
[13:01] <HixWork> ahh, oki
[13:02] <fsphil> I had to make a sticker for mine
[13:02] <HixWork> so this on e is recommended? http://goo.gl/tiBjo NEWSKY TV28T RTL 2832U / R820T DVB-T DAB FM SDR
[13:03] <Maxell> fsphil: yeah, could be... I never noticed magic smoke or was like, oh shit I just broke it.
[13:03] <Maxell> Could also been statics/ESD...
[13:03] <Upu> how can they sell that at that price
[13:03] <Maxell> Under 30% humidity :(
[13:04] <GMT> Hix - that's the one, get the connector leads with it too.
[13:04] <HixWork> order that one then? worth a gamble for that price SMA lead included GMT
[13:05] <HixWork> and the BAV99 SOT-23 is ok for that one too GMT?
[13:06] <HixWork> or they have an E400 EzTV668 http://goo.gl/SNCVI
[13:06] <GMT> Hix - work the risk ... no risk at all! Cosycave extremely good service. order today, you should have it by w/e
[13:06] <Elwell> oooh, I see that osmo-sdr is also using the E4000
[13:06] <fsphil> I got both mine from cosycave
[13:07] <Upu> up
[13:08] <Maxell> Are both the XABEN42 and the XABEN43 on the same balloon?
[13:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Both are climbing
[13:08] <HixWork> Xaben-1 away
[13:08] <Maxell> brb wc
[13:08] <Maxell> fuuu
[13:08] <fsphil> Maxell: yes
[13:08] <GMT> Hix - bear in mind, they're not HF (unless you get/build a convertor), these dongles are VHF and UHF
[13:08] <Upu> dial number10 ?
[13:09] <HixWork> only want for HAB, and possibly that wetather satellite thing from yesterday, initially just HAB though
[13:09] <number10> 434.0744
[13:09] <Jess--> got xaben0
[13:09] <junderwood> 434248 for XABEN1
[13:09] <HixWork> so do I get the E4000 EzTV668 or the RTL 2832U / R820T
[13:09] Nick change: junderwood -> junderwood_M0JCU
[13:09] <Upu> rise
[13:09] <HixWork> cast your votes now please :)
[13:10] <fsphil> nah, USRP
[13:10] <daveake> up
[13:10] Nick change: number10 -> number10_M0MDB
[13:10] <fsphil> I predict this one will not float
[13:11] <GMT> my votes is for the R820T version ... hell, at less than a tenner each, get one of each!
[13:11] <chrisg7ogx> strewth what did he do find the scissors?!!!!!
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[13:11] <Maxell> I go pee and the ballon is at 1,6km already.
[13:12] <chrisg7ogx> go pee again!!
[13:12] <Maxell> Want to see a magic trick? :P
[13:13] <fsphil> anyone updated the prediction data?
[13:13] <fsphil> the burst altitude seems a little low
[13:14] <Jess--> I picked xaben0 up at 861m (not too bad considering the distance)
[13:14] <HixWork> GMT http://goo.gl/v4VFo the E400 you were talking about?
[13:16] <GMT> Hix - that's the one ... that's the E4000 model, but also look for (or get at the same time ...) the R820T version
[13:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> That looks good much the same as the one's I use <Hixworks>
[13:17] <HixWork> Right E400 and R820T in the basket, hell, I may even get Radio 4 at work now
[13:18] <fsphil> that a good thing?
[13:18] <LazyLeopard> Oops! Late to the party!
[13:19] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
[13:19] <GMT> Hix, also get the connector set - MCX-SMA aerial socket adaptor
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> XABEN0 heard
[13:22] <Jess--> on the tracker what does the green circle signify?
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> 5 degree horizon
[13:24] <Maxell> You should now be able to track/hear the balloon, or there is something wrong with your setup.
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[13:24] <fsphil> or live 500km away :)
[13:24] <Maxell> with 5 degrees.
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[13:24] <HixWork> GMT: Newsky TV28T RTL 2832U / R820T DVB-T DAB FM SDR SMA adapter
[13:24] <HixWork> 1
[13:24] <HixWork> £8.65 £8.65
[13:24] <HixWork> -- Newsky TV28T Coax DVB-T DAB DAB+ FM Stick SDR Repacked Package
[13:24] <HixWork> 1
[13:24] <HixWork> £9.15 £9.15
[13:25] <HixWork> -- MCX - SMA aerial socket adaptor
[13:25] <HixWork> 1
[13:25] <HixWork> £1.45 £1.45
[13:25] <HixWork> ewww, sorry peeps
[13:25] <Maxell> Blue circle closing in, about to dezode some sizzle
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[13:26] <GMT> Hix, thats the jobbie!
[13:26] <HixWork> from this pic is the diode supposed to go in "u1" http://goo.gl/svt6w
[13:27] <HixWork> for the E400 variant
[13:27] <HixWork> just that it doesn't look SOT-23
[13:27] <fsphil> yes
[13:27] <fsphil> wait
[13:27] <GMT> you may not need diode, wait until they arrive and crack them open
[13:27] <fsphil> not
[13:27] <HixWork> ok, so no need to get diode?
[13:27] <fsphil> depends
[13:27] <fsphil> some have them, some don't
[13:27] <Jess--> been decoding is since 861m maxell
[13:27] <fsphil> you do need one
[13:28] <fsphil> but yours might already have it
[13:28] <HixWork> so if u1 is bare i need
[13:28] <fsphil> one of mine did, the other needed one added
[13:28] <Maxell> Jess--: but I'm in The Hague :(
[13:28] <fsphil> yes
[13:28] <HixWork> and it's SOT-23 on that model that you got fsphil
[13:28] <fsphil> it was
[13:28] <fsphil> but that's a three pin device
[13:28] <fsphil> there are for pads on that picture
[13:29] <HixWork> thats what i was thinking
[13:29] <Elwell> poke for dl-fldigi people -- lack of checking for jsoncpp - is that a dl- issue or a core fldigi issue?
[13:29] <fsphil> fldigi doesn't use json at all
[13:29] <Elwell> https://gist.github.com/Elwell/0548cbcd128df5dc2dad
[13:30] <Elwell> and https://gist.github.com/Elwell/4bfcf966e1a49030f4ce
[13:30] <fsphil> the latest release should already include jsoncpp
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[13:30] <HixWork> right - nearly missed lunch after all that, back in a bit
[13:30] <daveake> shoot fldigi wasn't online :p
[13:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_1.jpg
[13:31] <HixWork> cheers for the buying advice fsphil and GMT
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[13:31] <fsphil> whoops daveake
[13:31] Action: fsphil needs to wait for the earth to get out of the way
[13:31] <daveake> Yeah it was offline so's not to interfere with the flights ....
[13:32] <daveake> flight
[13:32] <Elwell> hmm this is Date: Sun Nov 4 10:42:54 2012 +0000
[13:32] <Elwell> Add new cpp-connector commits
[13:33] <Elwell> which seems to be the last update
[13:33] <Maxell> I am well in the blue circle but boy it's quiet here.
[13:33] <fsphil> did you update the submodules Elwell?
[13:33] <fsphil> git submodule update --init
[13:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> How much string between the payloads ? I can see the difference still on GE!
[13:35] Action: craag is receiving both payloads with the same receiver, funcube pro+ ftw!
[13:36] <daveake> Steve's on the move. That's quick for him :)
[13:36] <fsphil> drat, I still have the old FCD plugged in
[13:36] <fsphil> 96khz is not enough
[13:37] <craag> Only just with 200khz, they're being slightly attenuated by the filter edges.
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[13:41] <Maxell> Still nothing :(
[13:42] <chrisg7ogx> mega sigs on 434.247.300 and shift 634 but no decodes
[13:42] <craag> chrisg7ogx: Try 'Rv"?
[13:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> using about 380shift on XABEN0
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> and 620 on X1
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[13:44] <LazyL_M0LEP> I've got shift at 650 and dial at 434.247.5 for XABEN1
[13:44] <fsphil> http://www.sanslogic.co.uk/hab/20130109-bbcsb-clip3.mp4 (19MB) <--- artifacts or did this gopro get hit by a burst of cosmic rays?
[13:44] <chrisg7ogx> rv it is ive done this b4 thanks all now have to walk mutt
[13:45] <craag> chrisg7ogx: No worries, I seemed to need it to, but not for xaben0.
[13:45] <craag> *too
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_2.jpg
[13:46] <craag> Are these on the same balloon?
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> tks again all shift is quite forgiving..leaving it on auto
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> no
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> xaben1
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> bye fer now
[13:47] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmm... Yeah, signal was a bit wobbly there, and shift is narrowing...
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[13:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> The flight prediction doesn't seem to be updating.
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[13:53] <junderwood_M0JCU> I'm wondering whether to get the catchers gloves out.
[13:53] <Maxell> hmm, something is wrong.
[13:54] <Maxell> I hear the rtty signal now
[13:54] <Maxell> and when it starts with the $$$$ i get this
[13:54] <craag> junderwood_M0JCU: If it overruns burst alt then it'll certainly come your way!
[13:54] <Maxell> KKKKK"lT)2
[13:54] <Maxell> It's on upper side band, but I think it's getting swapped
[13:54] <craag> Maxell: Have you tried 'Rv'?
[13:54] <Maxell> rv?
[13:54] <craag> Yeah, reverse.
[13:54] <Maxell> reverse
[13:54] <Maxell> oh shit yes
[13:54] <GMT> bottom right corner of dl-fldigi
[13:54] <Maxell> why is gqrx going derp
[13:55] <Maxell> and doing LSB when I tell it to do USBA?
[13:55] <Maxell> USB
[13:55] <craag> Maxell: XABEN1 is Rv, it's not a problem with your RX.
[13:55] <Maxell> :(
[13:55] <Maxell> ok
[13:55] <craag> Working now?
[13:55] <GMT> ll, your details just appeared for XABEN1
[13:55] <Maxell> ~22 dB S/N
[13:56] <Maxell> yeah
[13:56] <Elwell> fsphil: (submodules) - no I hadn't - ta
[13:56] <fsphil> it's a pain, I keep forgetting too
[13:56] <fsphil> I wish git has a better way of dealing with that
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[13:56] <Maxell> craag: victory for the RevSpace setup! horay
[13:56] <craag> Also, websdr is running with both payloads received. :)
[13:57] <fsphil> whoops
[13:57] <fsphil> I've had a good signal from xaben1 for a while
[13:57] <fsphil> I forgot to retune
[13:57] <craag> http://websdr.thecraag.com:8901/
[13:57] <Maxell> craag: how did you get a copy of websdr?
[13:57] <Maxell> Isn't that stuff private?
[13:57] <craag> Maxell: I'm trying out a setup for our uni.
[13:58] <craag> This should go up on one of our uni building roofs this summer.
[13:58] <Elwell> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `misc/lookupcall.cxx', needed by `dl_fldigi-lookupcall.o'. Stop.
[13:59] <craag> That's the kind of thing the author wants, so he sent me a copy :)
[13:59] <Maxell> craag: websdr could be the fix here too, rtl_tcp only allows one user :(
[13:59] <fsphil> that's a new one Elwell
[13:59] <fsphil> what distro?
[13:59] <Elwell> F17
[13:59] <fsphil> really odd
[13:59] <Maxell> That dongle could do a bw of ~2MHz, so yeah mainly habs
[13:59] <fsphil> it compiles perfectly for me on that
[13:59] <fsphil> which branch did you clone?
[14:00] <Elwell> master
[14:00] <craag> Whoever is setting the center freq on the websdr, stop!
[14:00] <fsphil> this one? https://github.com/danielrichman/dl-fldigi
[14:00] <Elwell> https://github.com/jamescoxon/dl-fldigi.git ah no
[14:01] <fsphil> james's version is lagging a bit
[14:01] <fsphil> although that error shouldn't have happened anyway
[14:01] Action: craag kills the websdr center freq control daemon.
[14:02] <fsphil> signal has faded a bit
[14:02] <GMT> XABEN0 has been a bit flaky for the past 10 mins
[14:03] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Look at the waterfall on the sdr, xaben0 on far left, xaben1 on far right
[14:03] <craag> Tune yourself on the waterfall.
[14:03] <craag> I've disabled center freq control now. It was disrupting everyone else.
[14:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Its showing 14.1 MHz here!
[14:04] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Read the text. The waterfall frequency does *not* update.
[14:04] <craag> It's a bug.. to do with the weird and experimental way I'm using the software.
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[14:05] <jonsowman> how's XABEN doing
[14:05] <number10_M0MDB> ok
[14:05] <number10_M0MDB> 20k
[14:05] <jonsowman> not at home today otherwise I'd track
[14:06] <jonsowman> is the predictor burst alt correct?
[14:06] <jonsowman> 21k
[14:06] <number10_M0MDB> probably not
[14:06] <junderwood_M0JCU> it isn't actually predicting at the moment
[14:06] <number10_M0MDB> I dont know what steve was aimomg for
[14:07] <jonsowman> maybe the wind model is out of date
[14:07] <S_Mark> hey, xaben1 freq?
[14:07] <LazyL_M0LEP> I've got shift at 630 and dial at 434.247.5 for XABEN1
[14:07] <S_Mark> thanks
[14:07] Nick change: Jess-- -> Jess--M0VBR
[14:09] <HixWork> what does the BAV99 diode do in the dongles then? is it something to do with ESD from the antenna into the unit?
[14:09] <jonsowman> yep
[14:09] <HixWork> i.e blocking it
[14:09] <jonsowman> indeed
[14:09] <jonsowman> or not, if it's not fitted ¬.¬
[14:09] <HixWork> heh
[14:10] <GMT> Hix - if you don't have the ESD diode then any ESD discharges through the 'expensive' bits of the dongle
[14:11] <HixWork> I was trying to work it out as the u1 in the image http://goo.gl/svt6w is 4 pads, so not SOT-23, I assume a diode of same spec but the correct footprint will be fine
[14:12] <jonsowman> are you sure that's not a visual artifact?
[14:12] <jonsowman> i.e. tested continuity between the 2 'pads' that should be one?
[14:13] <HixWork> not sure, I'll wait until it arrives and look properly
[14:14] <jonsowman> is that the ezcap?
[14:14] <HixWork> my boards still haven't shipped so i can hold fire with farnell until they come. the £20 min order is annoying
[14:14] <HixWork> esp for tiny bits like diodes
[14:15] <Elwell> ha! that version seems to compile and run OK. Ta
[14:15] <jonsowman> HixWork: here's mine http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonsowman/7191395914/in/photostream
[14:15] <jonsowman> ezcap 668
[14:15] <HixWork> and with regards to the RF connection, could a length of RG58 be soldered onto the board with a BNC on t'other end for antenna
[14:16] <HixWork> sorry jonsowman they block flickr here [but i can run IRC all day - figure]
[14:16] <jonsowman> how about imgur?
[14:16] <daveake> Anyone else seeing a shitload of noise around XABEN1 since about 5 mins ago? http://imgur.com/a/xV7BP
[14:16] <HixWork> fine
[14:16] <HixWork> that would qualify as a shitload
[14:17] <daveake> Still decoding, mostly
[14:17] <jonsowman> HixWork: http://imgur.com/vQ6YOIW
[14:18] <HixWork> jonsowman, yeah annoyingly that's the same as other peoples pics, I'll test when the dongles arrive
[14:18] <fsphil> xaben1 is patchy here
[14:18] <jonsowman> righto
[14:18] <HixWork> I ordere one of each flavour
[14:19] <HixWork> so have options
[14:19] <NigeyMoby> where's the diode Jon?
[14:19] <jonsowman> which ones?
[14:19] <HixWork> U7 NigeyMoby
[14:19] <NigeyMoby> ah oki
[14:19] <jonsowman> yeah, the SOT23 thing
[14:19] <jonsowman> to the left of the RF connector
[14:19] <HixWork> BAV99 SOT-23 NigeyMoby
[14:20] <jonsowman> mine came fitted with one
[14:20] <jonsowman> but I got mine a long long time ago
[14:20] <NigeyMoby> better check if mine has 1
[14:20] <NigeyMoby> yeah mines quite old now to.
[14:20] <jonsowman> almost immediately after the thread on reddit appeared saying that someone had got raw IQ sample feed from the rtl2832
[14:21] <NigeyMoby> yup, got mine just before they tripled in price!!
[14:21] <jonsowman> yeah i think i paid £9
[14:21] <HixWork> oh, whilst you're here jonsowman eroomde put your name up as a contact for launching from Churchill.
[14:21] <GMT> wow, I was ripped-off, I paid £11
[14:22] <jonsowman> HixWork: yep, sure - email us at contact@cusf.co.uk
[14:22] <NigeyMoby> sounds bout right think mine was 12
[14:22] <HixWork> cosycave where i just ordered 2 from, both under a tenner
[14:22] <jonsowman> we'll sort out a time/date for your launch
[14:22] <HixWork> cool, cheers jonsowman
[14:22] <fsphil> my first one had the diode
[14:22] <fsphil> not the second
[14:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_3.jpg
[14:22] <fsphil> I guess they decided they could save 1p per unit
[14:22] <NigeyMoby> lol
[14:22] <GMT> hix - a *lot* of people buying from Cosycave, and using them for aircraft ADSB signals
[14:22] <fsphil> oh, xaben1 a lot stronger now
[14:23] <fsphil> s/n 20dB
[14:23] <HixWork> GMT, can you really? That'd be a bonus
[14:23] <NigeyMoby> not as bad as Sony... they used to remove decoupling caps on vcrs to save money.
[14:23] <fsphil> eek
[14:23] <jonsowman> unsurprised
[14:23] <HixWork> what kind of antenna do you need forADS-B
[14:23] <fsphil> sony used to make great stuff
[14:24] <GMT> Hix - anything between 25MHz and 1700 MHz is fair-game!
[14:24] <NigeyMoby> yup, they were doing 1080i in 1980 !!!
[14:24] <HixWork> oh right so an airband antenna would be fine then
[14:25] <HixWork> I'd be interested to see if they are any use for Met sats too, that'd be pretty cool to download
[14:25] <GMT> ADSB is on 1090MHz, get one prog to decode sigs, and a 2nd prog to plot the positions. Ant - quite a few home-brew designs out ther, but if your one from Cosycave has an ant, use that
[14:26] <fsphil> you can even use an rtl-sdr receiver for GPS :)
[14:26] <GMT> hix - already using one for wx sats on 137 mhx, bit noisy tho'
[14:27] <Jess--M0VBR> junderwood_M0JCU you may need that catchers mitt
[14:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> :)
[14:28] <Elwell> I was getting reasonable adsb using the stubby TV antenna it came with
[14:28] <HixWork> GMT really, with the ant that comes with it? I saw a design for a helix type antenna
[14:28] <fsphil> I wonder what percentage of them are used to watch TV :)
[14:28] <HixWork> I'd say mostly DAB
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[14:28] <HixWork> what with on demand and iplayer etc
[14:29] <GMT> Hix - the ant you get is designed for TV sigs, it will work on other freqs but not efficiently
[14:29] <gonzo__> thjat assumes an internet connection
[14:29] <HixWork> wow, for <£10 you can have a world of radio geek fun
[14:29] <GMT> exactly!
[14:29] <HixWork> GMT sure, but to start, before getting involoved its a cheap toe ijn the water
[14:30] <GMT> and if you take it overseas where scanners not allowed, it's a TV receiver init!
[14:30] <HixWork> My brother will be well chuffed, he's a massive airband geek
[14:30] <HixWork> ADSB will probably get him skipping like a girl
[14:31] <GMT> Hix ... are you my brother at all?
[14:31] <fsphil> I brought my FCDP+ to australia. heard very little with it which is odd
[14:31] <HixWork> heh, not that mum said anything about :)
[14:32] <fsphil> 501km range
[14:32] <GMT> Hix - when yr dongles arrive, report back on here, lots of help with the setup
[14:32] <HixWork> will-do
[14:33] Action: HixWork thinks there are going to be some aerial developments on the roof in the near future
[14:33] <fsphil> haha
[14:33] <RocketBoy> anyone know why the landing spot prediction isn't updating?
[14:33] <GMT> don't do a Rod Hull!
[14:34] <HixWork> RocketBoy, seems to have, just noerth of buckingham
[14:34] <HixWork> Akelely
[14:34] <HixWork> or Akeley
[14:34] <fsphil> yea, it's changing here
[14:34] <HixWork> rather
[14:34] <fsphil> the burst altitude isn't set correctly though
[14:34] <gonzo__> 25 listenerd for both payloads! (OK some people are listening to both) but not bad!
[14:34] <fsphil> was at 21km
[14:34] <GMT> aren't they heading back east again?
[14:35] <jonsowman> good for a weekday
[14:35] <fsphil> vnc is great
[14:36] <jonsowman> hehe
[14:36] <fsphil> 7m/s
[14:36] <fsphil> that's quite fast
[14:36] <gonzo__> that's what I'm on, but crap fopr typing irc
[14:36] <gonzo__> it's ages before the refresh and you see the typos
[14:36] <NickB1> ha Think they are going to make an S sign :)
[14:36] <fsphil> he's promoting the new superman movie?
[14:37] <RocketBoy> seems to be a moble bb thing - cheers
[14:37] <NickB1> was also thinking superman
[14:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_4.jpg
[14:38] <fsphil> 510km range and signals are great
[14:38] <NickB1> comign down
[14:38] <fsphil> not
[14:39] <fsphil> ooh you sneaky RocketBoy
[14:39] <RocketBoy> ?
[14:40] <fsphil> aah I thought they where on the same balloon
[14:40] <Geoff-G8DHE> One is coming down and not the other ?
[14:40] <fsphil> thought you'd just dropped one
[14:41] <GMT> anyone got contact with the chase car?
[14:41] <fsphil> yea
[14:41] <fsphil> RocketBoy is the chase car :)
[14:41] <GMT> tell him he's on the wrong side of the M1
[14:42] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_4_split_paths.jpg
[14:42] <junderwood_M0JCU> I hope they don't burst soon. I don't like the look of the landing prediction
[14:42] <fsphil> they stayed pretty close together
[14:42] <fsphil> one did junderwood_M0JCU
[14:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> so it did
[14:43] <fsphil> heading for bletchley
[14:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> I thought I was the only one playing with cut-downs at the moment
[14:43] <fsphil> ironically no listening stations in bletchley
[14:43] <fsphil> one near it though
[14:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> both gone
[14:43] <junderwood_M0JCU> fire up the National Radio Centre
[14:44] <junderwood_M0JCU> in BP
[14:44] <fsphil> G3VZV has a good setup
[14:44] <fsphil> lovely steady signal from xaben1
[14:46] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: Sorry if I was rude earlier about the websdr. I realise it's quite misleading. I'm changing the frequency of the funcube 'behind it's back' and there's no way to change the waterfall frequency without restarting the server software.
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> No Prob. I was downstairs on a laptop, with half an eye on the track, half an eye on News and last bit on the tuner!
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> So I hadn't read all the text, and wondered why it was still 14.1MHz
[14:47] <fsphil> and gone here
[14:47] <fsphil> that was fast
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[14:48] <fsphil> lovely signal then it just faded out
[14:48] <Geoff-G8DHE> Same strength here at the moment on X1
[14:48] <fsphil> it'll be below my horizon now
[14:49] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: I have left it PSK31-spotting on 14.070 while I'm out. And so that's the single frequency it spends most time on!
[14:49] <fsphil> or not
[14:49] <fsphil> just came back, got a decode
[14:50] <fsphil> going again
[14:50] <fsphil> radio is just weird
[14:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN43_signals1.jpg
[14:51] <fsphil> gone properly now
[14:52] <fsphil> not a trace on the waterfall
[14:52] <fsphil> good signal from that RocketBoy, do anything different?
[14:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah Ok, I did ask on the forum no response so changed the f.
[14:54] <craag> Geoff-G8DHE: No worries, I saw that a couple of minutes later, I have a small netbook screen ;). I've been meaning to try taking that out and putting a freenode-irc box in instead.
[14:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes X0 has come back for me as well now
[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes they are doing an "S"
[14:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_5.jpg
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[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Does nobody else use GE ? Rather than justthe map ?
[14:58] <HixWork> occasionally Geoff-G8DHE
[14:58] <GMT> prefer the spacenear map myself
[14:58] <HixWork> how do you get the path up so quickly? gps visualiser
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> No just save the screen image as they update!
[14:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ctrl-Alt-S in GE saves the image
[15:02] <Elwell> much as it hurts me - is it worth going windows for SDR?
[15:02] <fsphil> I'm quite happy with gqrx
[15:02] <fsphil> in linux
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> Very easy to set-up in windows
[15:02] <Elwell> gqrx v sdr# I guess
[15:02] <fsphil> sdrsharp is more mature
[15:03] <NickB1> X1 is going to play some golf
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[15:05] <fsphil> G3VZV-Graham: got an umbrella?
[15:05] <HixWork> ahh Geoff-G8DHE the link in the bottom right....
[15:06] <G3VZV-Graham> yes thanks! 33dB SN here without trying!
[15:06] <fsphil> prediction is annoyingly near the M1
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_6.jpg
[15:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes gor GE <Hixwork>
[15:07] <NickB1> is that a test track where X1 is flying over?
[15:07] <NickB1> looks cool
[15:08] <HixWork> NickB1, millbrook proving ground
[15:08] <HixWork> OEMs use it to test cars out. Has been used for Rally GB in the past
[15:08] <G3VZV-Graham> M1 or the A421 that runs parallel to it
[15:09] <daveake> today they're testing windscreen resistance to impact damage :)
[15:09] <HixWork> They'd never let me take anything out on it though
[15:09] <fsphil> hah
[15:09] <NickB1> ah cool thanks
[15:09] <fsphil> phew
[15:09] <fsphil> moving away I think
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah both dropeed out with me know
[15:09] <HixWork> there's some really big gradient changes on one of the loops, vomit inducing if you're a nervous passenger
[15:10] <HixWork> it'll miss M1, but that lake.....
[15:10] <HixWork> unless Steve has his avoidance system in effect again
[15:10] <fsphil> haha, Fox Covert
[15:10] <number10_M0MDB> not looking good for xaben0 landing in MK
[15:10] <G3VZV-Graham> i think I might manage to hear this one to quite a low altitude...probably below me!
[15:11] <fsphil> I suspect you'll be hearing these on the ground
[15:11] <fsphil> for having such different burst times
[15:11] <fsphil> they're gonna land at almost the same moment
[15:12] <G3VZV-Graham> lots of landfill by the 421 in that area...flare stacks etal
[15:12] <Geoff-G8DHE> X0 could end up in Milton Keynes!
[15:13] <GMT> I think X0 will land west of MK
[15:14] <daveake> I hope Steve's tree avoidance code does the same for motorways
[15:15] <NickB1> seams to head for another golf club
[15:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its heading for the urban strip towards Stony Stratford
[15:15] <number10_M0MDB> looks like he is interested in recovering the heavier one first
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[15:17] <GMT> X0 gone for me
[15:17] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nice field its in as well
[15:18] <G3VZV-Graham> iu i think x1 has landed
[15:18] <LazyL_M0LEP> Hmmmm... Falling down on Milton-Keynes, me boys!
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_7.jpg
[15:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just short of the M1
[15:18] <daveake> <relief>
[15:18] <G3VZV-Graham> perfect execpt the chase car got on the dual carriageway so is going to have to do a big uturn!
[15:18] <daveake> Looks like Steve's looking for somewhere to turn round
[15:18] <daveake> yup
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[15:19] <HixWork> has X0 found a nice little patch of green?
[15:19] <HixWork> and is Upu tearing down th eM1 to recover, or is he accidentally txing
[15:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_8.jpg
[15:19] <number10_M0MDB> thats a new road and is a bit long for the turn off
[15:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Could be the A5 for X1
[15:20] <fsphil> nice landing spot for X1
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh yes reversed them X1 landed first X0 still heading for A5
[15:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_9.jpg
[15:22] <HixWork> X0 better avoid that freight train :)
[15:23] <Maxell> Last messgae I herd was at 11216 m high.
[15:23] <HixWork> what range was that Maxell
[15:23] <Maxell> In The Hague.
[15:23] <HixWork> gotta be pretty impressive from the hague
[15:24] <Maxell> I was not behind the pc :(
[15:24] <HixWork> ahh ok
[15:25] <daveake> Ah Steve just retuned to -1
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_10.jpg
[15:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Both down
[15:26] <chrisg7ogx> Aw missed it
[15:26] <daveake> I mean -0
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Some vert tall tress by X0 in that playing field ....
[15:26] <G3VZV-Graham> both good copy still here - smug smile:)
[15:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_11.jpg
[15:27] <daveake> Given that steve is 15km away, and got a fix, I'm guessing a tree is involved
[15:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> It looks like it on the image never made it to ground level!#
[15:27] <daveake> Oh, sorry, it's you not Steve :-)
[15:27] <junderwood_M0JCU> dial for Pie anyone?
[15:27] <daveake> Ignore me :D
[15:27] <G3VZV-Graham> I agree XO is stronger with me than X1 although much further away
[15:28] <daveake> Er that's tomorrow sorry I uploaded forgetting I was online
[15:28] <HixWork> X0 nearest postcode is MK8 8HR if that helps RocketBoy
[15:28] <daveake> I've deleted the uploads
[15:28] <junderwood_M0JCU> :)
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[15:28] <jonsowman> so is X1 on the M1?
[15:28] <jonsowman> ironic
[15:29] <HixWork> just missed j13 jonsowman
[15:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> No its very close the M1 looks to be in a field
[15:29] <jonsowman> good good
[15:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> That's as close as I ever want to come to a motorway
[15:29] <junderwood_M0JCU> - closer, actually
[15:30] <RocketBoy> cheers hixWORK
[15:30] <number10_M0MDB> yres, i think I would be in a bit of a panic
[15:30] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://360.g8dhe.net/hab_flights/xaben42-3/XABEN4x%20flight%20path_12.jpg
[15:30] <chrisg7ogx> is there a beacon aboard Pie?
[15:30] <daveake> Pie is testing only I uploaded by mistake
[15:30] <daveake> It'll go if you refresh
[15:31] <chrisg7ogx> ok nothing i can do for you?
[15:31] <daveake> Not till tomorrow no :)
[15:31] <chrisg7ogx> apart from bacon sarnies
[15:31] <daveake> We have those
[15:31] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[15:31] <daveake> We will share them with you all, by the technological marvel called "BaconCam"
[15:32] <chrisg7ogx> ur air pressure reading looks abt right
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[15:32] <gonzo__> zero looks to be in a tree at the back of a school. That will amuse the kids
[15:32] <daveake> So I can breath? Escellent
[15:32] <daveake> x
[15:32] <gonzo__> and it's kicking out time soon
[15:32] <chrisg7ogx> 1009 here
[15:33] <techplex> Greetings, I'm wondering if one can use the http://spacenear.us/ to track balloons and vehicles in the USA?
[15:33] <number10_M0MDB> yes
[15:33] Nick change: number10_M0MDB -> number10
[15:33] <techplex> Is there a trick @number10 ?
[15:34] <lz1dev> techplex: http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload/
[15:34] <number10> no trick - you just need to download dl-fldigi and get your flight docs aproved
[15:36] <chrisg7ogx> dave what ish time tomorrow?
[15:36] <daveake> morningish
[15:37] <daveake> We'll get Upu's flight up first then mine. Say 10am and 11am
[15:37] <daveake> Something like that
[15:37] <G3VZV-Graham> i think X1 has been collected - it is very weak now
[15:37] <chrisg7ogx> ok as Michael said, i'll be there
[15:38] <daveake> If only it were as easy as ABC
[15:38] Nick change: junderwood_M0JCU -> junderwood
[15:38] <chrisg7ogx> still no feedback on local tv regarding horizon
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[15:40] <chrisg7ogx> he's df'ing now
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[15:42] <chrisg7ogx> that farm next to x1 must have been in the middle of some very peaceful countryside....once
[15:42] <fsphil> surrounded by progress :)
[15:44] <G3VZV-Graham> yes it was - the big sheds are amazon warehouses amongst others
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[15:44] <daveake> Upu's not far away I see
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[15:46] <HixWork> Upu getting X0?MK8 8HR
[15:46] <chrisg7ogx> the others are probably tesco meal storages
[15:46] <gonzo__> we call them, stables!
[15:46] <HixWork> stables
[15:46] <chrisg7ogx> neigh
[15:47] <gonzo__> I feel a horsey pun fest coming on.... again!
[15:47] <jonsowman> no no
[15:47] <jonsowman> stop that now
[15:47] <chrisg7ogx> some politicians in germany made a very good suggestion those meals which really are ok should be given to the poor
[15:49] <G3VZV-Graham> chase personnel should have 3G enable hatcams - we could see what they get up to then
[15:49] <HixWork> with food poverty at such a high they should be fined for their waste
[15:49] <daveake> I've got a batc streaming program on my phone
[15:49] <chrisg7ogx> Mmm maybe not
[15:49] <gonzo__> wonder what the hold up is on X1, looks like it's in an open field. Or was open when the pics were taken
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[15:50] <gonzo__> interesting dave, android?
[15:50] <chrisg7ogx> yes looks like he's going up and down taking brgs
[15:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Right Objective Movie of the last two flights http://127.0.0.1:54225/wUyyjNaE/output/XABEN42-3.html for your enjoyment!
[15:51] <gonzo__> bad link geoff
[15:51] <chrisg7ogx> oops no joy google chrome
[15:51] <gonzo__> localhost
[15:51] <HixWork> from memory Gonzo_, they were doing a shedload of work there a couple of months back, there is a new bridhe ofer the M1 and liklely that farm isn't there now
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[15:51] <HixWork> there#s no place like 127.0.0.1
[15:52] <fsphil> 127.0.1 works too :)
[15:52] <Upu2> ello
[15:52] <HixWork> hey Upu2
[15:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Helps if I post the real address and not the LAN http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/XABEN42-3/output/XABEN42-3.html
[15:52] <HixWork> you recovering?
[15:52] <Upu2> Steves payload near me or recovered ?
[15:52] <chrisg7ogx> yes lots of mud pies there
[15:52] <HixWork> X0 near you MK8 8HR
[15:52] <daveake> noeither recovered yet Upu
[15:52] <HixWork> postcode
[15:53] <fsphil> steve's at X1
[15:53] <daveake> X0 looks to be in a schoolground poss in a tree
[15:53] <Upu2> just about up head back onto m1
[15:53] <costyn> gonzo__: I'm planning to use the ustream app on my iphone next saturday
[15:53] <costyn> gonzo__: in tests it performed ok
[15:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> The field has since been turned into a Motorway junction I think!
[15:54] <Upu2> what freq was X0 on ?
[15:54] <fsphil> 434.075
[15:54] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.075
[15:54] <HixWork> 075
[15:54] <HixWork> ahh echo
[15:54] <Upu2> cant hear it
[15:54] <fsphil> 52.04052,-0.79983 if you want to be precise
[15:55] <chrisg7ogx> graham is that Woburn country park to the NW?
[15:55] <fsphil> you're about 5km from it Upu2
[15:55] <Upu2> Ok ill head off down M1 sure Steve has recovery in hand
[15:56] <chrisg7ogx> NE
[15:57] <Upu2> miserable day
[15:57] <G3VZV-Graham> no Woburn Park is almost due south of X1
[15:57] <fsphil> really? it's glorious here
[15:57] <fsphil> I've not seen as much sun as this since I've been in oz. a bit colder though
[15:57] <G3VZV-Graham> still hearing both payloads
[15:57] <HixWork> Upu, i think the further south you come the shittier it gets
[15:57] <chrisg7ogx> what is that then? between Millbrook and Lidlington
[15:58] <G3VZV-Graham> no I am not sorry both radios are listening to .075
[15:58] <Upu2> right onward back soon
[15:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> The last was Flash based this is HTML5 based for Ipads and Tablets http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/XABEN42-3/output/XABEN42-3_1.html
[15:59] <HixWork> chrisg7ogx, Millbrook proving ground
[15:59] <G3VZV-Graham> actually - I can just still hear X1 as well
[15:59] <fsphil> X1 may have been brought indoors
[15:59] <chrisg7ogx> tks
[16:00] <G3VZV-Graham> is confused!
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[16:02] <F6AGV> to G3VZV stay on balloon receive dear OM !
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[16:04] <G3VZV-Graham> needs to go tracking spaceships around 1640 UTC
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[16:05] <fsphil> ah yes, strand-1
[16:05] <GMT> what freq for strand-1
[16:05] <F6AGV> Graham I think Anthony is comming to XABEN0, I see his car on space near
[16:05] <fsphil> my colinear wasn't quite enough for strand-1. I'll try the yagis tonight
[16:06] <fsphil> you have a rotator G3VZV-Graham?
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[16:07] <F6AGV> to G3VZV Anthony M0UPU is on M1 road now speedy
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Humm he's passed J13 ?
[16:09] <fsphil> he's not going for it
[16:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah
[16:09] <daveake> He's not chasing; he's going to a meeting
[16:10] <GMT> fsphil, what freq for strand-1, and does it go by any other name?
[16:11] <G3VZV-Graham> strand-1 is about 437.570MHz 9k6 fsk..i had strouble last night - some very strong bursts but sort of intermittant... not sure about the accuracy of the keps
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[16:11] <fsphil> if you had trouble them I'm not likely to get much
[16:11] <arko> Morning
[16:11] <G3VZV-Graham> NORAD has issued some keps but not yet attached names to objects
[16:11] <fsphil> morn arko
[16:12] <arko> G3VZV i had the exact same issue
[16:12] <arko> Sup fsphil
[16:13] <G3VZV-Graham> i was beginning not to trust my antennas ( collinear and a wimo-X) but listening to these two balloons this afternoon they seem ok
[16:13] <F6AGV> M0UPU turn at 12 ???
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[16:13] <fsphil> F6AGV: He's not chasing it
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[16:13] <F6AGV> yeah !! Sorry
[16:13] <fsphil> steve will get to it soon hopefully
[16:13] <F6AGV> Who chasing XABEN0 ?
[16:14] <fsphil> nobody yet
[16:14] <fsphil> once they have XABEN1 they'll collect X0
[16:14] <F6AGV> harrrg !
[16:14] <fsphil> I guess he's having to talk to the land owner
[16:14] <arko> G3VZV: hah!me too, i just built a quadrifiliar
[16:15] <arko> Had like 3 quick pops and got no data
[16:15] <fsphil> that high a bitrate seems unusual
[16:15] <fsphil> for such a low power cubesat
[16:15] <arko> 9600baud?
[16:15] <arko> Right!?
[16:15] <arko> I was wondering that too
[16:16] <Randomskk> I am not particularly surprised
[16:16] <arko> One thing im not sure about is the audio frequency
[16:16] <fsphil> it's FSK
[16:16] <arko> I know its 437.568
[16:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like its here X1 that is http://goo.gl/maps/ooJHj
[16:16] <arko> But what audio freq range does that map to?
[16:17] <fsphil> it's not transmitting tones through FM like aprs
[16:17] <fsphil> it's more like what we do for rtty on the ntx2
[16:18] <fsphil> just lots faster
[16:18] <fsphil> you'd need to receive it in USB to get it as audio tones
[16:18] <arko> Ohhh
[16:18] <arko> Wow derp
[16:18] <arko> Makes sense
[16:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.sstl.co.uk/Divisions/Earth-Observation---Science/Science---Exploration/STRaND-nanosatellite/STRaND-1-Factsheet
[16:19] <arko> Damn i was switching between NFm and WFM
[16:20] <arko> Wondering where the two makers are too
[16:20] <arko> Never done ax.25 other thanwith aprs
[16:21] <fsphil> I suppose the 9600 FSK isn't much worse than 1200 AFSK for efficiency
[16:21] <G3VZV-Graham> you actually use FM to receive it and a wide IF bandwidth - at least 25kHz..it sounds almost like white noise in the loudspeaker..just slightly different from the unsquelched noise of an FM rx. You cannot normally just take audio out oif the radio as it will have had too much deemphasis applied. You also need a flat response down to 20 Hz...much easier with SDRs these days I guess
[16:22] <HixWork> gEOFF-g8DHE I think modt of that streetview is now gone
[16:23] <arko> Oh
[16:23] <arko> So it is wfm
[16:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is this the tree that holds X0 ? http://goo.gl/maps/KBn26
[16:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yep the image was from 2009 not sure the last one is dated 2012 so may be better!
[16:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like he's moved up the road to the layby http://goo.gl/maps/VqFSq
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[16:33] <G3VZV-Graham> both still audible here but I must QSY up the band
[16:36] <gonzo__> thanks Graham
[16:46] <fsphil> good luck with strand-1, be interested to hear if you manage to get any data
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[16:49] <GMT> nothing heard here (in London) from Strand-1, nothing even visible on the SDR waterfall
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[16:53] <HixWork> RocketBoy, Going for X0 then?
[16:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looks like it
[16:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Nope I've not heard anything 437.568MHz or around it at all :-(
[16:56] <gonzo__> poss they could not get access to the site for X0?
[16:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> He may have got it and turned it off, there, he had been updating until 16:44
[16:58] <gonzo__> looks like it was updating till he drove off
[16:59] <Geoff-G8DHE> Possibly switched to the other channel of course
[17:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> Marching up Watling St. by the look sof it!
[17:03] <G3VZV-Graham> Strand-1 and AAUSAT-3 detected at good signal level but I have not tried decoding...I will do that with the IQ recording that I now have
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[17:04] <HixWork> rocketboy, keep up watling 4th Roundabout right dansteed way
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[17:14] <HixWork> RocketBoy, back to that junc [downloand], then about 100m up ther are trees on the left, it's there
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[17:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> He might be coming at it from the SW side
[17:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yup hope he stops now
[17:15] <HixWork> good point fell trees with prevailing wind behind you :)
[17:15] <HixWork> nooooo
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[17:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Oh he's going tocircle in
[17:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> not one way is it ?
[17:16] <HixWork> right time to go time, good luck RocketBoy
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[17:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> He might have Rx on and hoping to find a signal
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[17:16] <Geoff-G8DHE> Cheers <Hixwork>
[17:17] <Laurenceb> round and round and round
[17:17] <Laurenceb> oh wait its in milton keynes, nvm
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah closer
[17:19] <Geoff-G8DHE> Stoppppppp
[17:19] <Laurenceb> and its in the big tree :P
[17:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> On the left
[17:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Yes he's parked
[17:21] <Upu2> could be just doing retakes for thefilm crew
[17:21] <daveake> yup
[17:21] <number10> ground height there is ~ 80m current reported height 90
[17:21] <Upu2> oh look its there
[17:21] <daveake> could you make it burst again please?
[17:21] <Upu2> we need there from 3 angles
[17:22] <Upu2> sorry need that again, you excitement at finding the payload for the fifth time just wasnt there
[17:22] <daveake> lol
[17:23] <Upu2> that one was real
[17:23] <Randomskk> film crews are so great
[17:23] <Laurenceb> rofl
[17:23] <Randomskk> "please could you tie that knot again?" "oh, sorry, out of focus. could you tie it again?"
[17:23] <Randomskk> "great, but could you tie it a bit slower?"
[17:23] <Laurenceb> so thats why these programs look so badly overacted
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[17:24] <Randomskk> "right, now sit and look thoughtful while holding the balloon for a bit"
[17:24] <Laurenceb> stories of invention or wtf its called is soo bad
[17:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hope their not nicking the wheels of his car parked there
[17:25] <daveake> Yeah, nobody land one in Liverpool, ever
[17:25] <Laurenceb> rofl
[17:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> His car keeps hopping around I reckon its as the prope each wheel up ;-)
[17:26] <daveake> By the time you get to the payload the gopros will be gone. And by the time you get back to the car the perps will be driving off in it.
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[17:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> lol
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[17:28] <number10> difficult to tell, but from some of the boundary looks like a high fence round the football pitch
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[17:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> No fence see here http://goo.gl/maps/Jycf2
[17:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Tell a lie you might be right its behind the hedge isn' it from that view above
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[17:37] <F6AGV> Steve is finding XABEN0, on a tree ?
[17:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> Possibly or tangled in a fence ....
[17:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> <daveake> What time do you hope to fly tomorrow ?
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[17:44] <daveake> Probably around 10am and 11am
[17:44] <daveake> Upu's flight first
[17:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK will be listening in that case
[17:44] <daveake> should be fun
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[17:46] <daveake> job jobbed RocketBoy?
[17:46] <GMT> with today's wind-direction, do you still think they will be heading towards Europe tomorrow?
[17:46] <Upu> yep
[17:46] <daveake> Hope mine won't :)
[17:46] <Upu> they go towards the Bristol Channel before swinging round
[17:47] <GMT> okay, I will be listening ...
[17:47] <Upu> thx
[17:51] <F6AGV> to Rocketboy, where is XABEN0 ?
[17:52] <Upu> Evening Alain
[17:52] <RocketBoy> in my van
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hurrah
[17:52] <Upu> hey Steve
[17:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> and XABEN1 ?
[17:52] <Upu> glad you got it
[17:53] <RocketBoy> xaben1 is surrouned by atack dogs and shotguns ;-)
[17:53] <F6AGV> evening UPU
[17:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah yes it looked a bit wild there!
[17:53] <F6AGV> Yes XABEN to home now !
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[17:54] <Hix> X0 stuck in the trees then?
[17:55] <F6AGV> nobody have seen a strange objet falling ?
[17:55] <F6AGV> Object
[17:58] <F6AGV> OK about dogs and shotguns, A white flag is necessary !
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[18:02] <Hix> oh, given up on X0 too...
[18:02] <Hix> bummer 2 loads in 1 day
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[18:17] <Hix> ahh back to X1 then
[18:24] <RocketBoy> yeah - aiting for the landowner to ccme
[18:25] <RocketBoy> not an easy recovery
[18:25] <Hix> what happened with X0 RocketBoy? no sign or unreachable in the trees?
[18:26] <RocketBoy> gotit out the trees with a long pole :-)
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[18:26] <Hix> oh, cool. good work, though it was lost
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[18:27] <SpeedEvil> a long pole can solve many problems
[18:27] <Hix> fishing pole and sharp knife definitely going to feature in my reovery kit
[18:28] <Hix> along with gaffer tape to mate the two together to form go go gadget cutdown
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[18:29] <RocketBoy> yeah - used a stiff metal coat hanger
[18:29] <Hix> whats around X1 at the mo steve, there was loads of development work going on hen i was commuting past there a few months back
[18:29] <Hix> i.e a kin big bridge going in there
[18:31] <RocketBoy> yeah - that sort of stuff - A421 etc
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[18:31] <Hix> so yuo're trying to get access to a constuction site? H&S pain I assume
[18:32] <RocketBoy> na its a house and grounds under development - owner worikng away
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[18:32] <RocketBoy> managerd to get his no - on van side parked inside grounds
[18:33] <Hix> ahh, awkward. Still, missed M1 and lots of local water :)
[18:33] <RocketBoy> tall fences - and dog loose im told
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[18:45] <prawnsalad> anyone use dl-fldigi on osx?
[18:46] <fsphil> a few people do
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[18:46] <fsphil> my mac is too old to run it
[18:47] <prawnsalad> ive never been able to get my version resize its window properly.. can't change tis height for some reason
[18:47] <fsphil> that's by design
[18:47] <prawnsalad> far too small to actually use
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[18:47] <fsphil> yea it's a bit annoying
[18:47] <prawnsalad> is it actually by design?
[18:47] <fsphil> yep :)
[18:48] <fsphil> I can't remember the reason now
[18:48] <prawnsalad> oh.. i thought you were joking heh
[18:48] <fsphil> and I agree it should probably go away
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> http://www.consideritdesign.com/product/unt-mug-with-black-handle
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[18:55] <arko> Question
[18:55] <arko> Before i go reinvent the wheel
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[18:57] <arko> Uusing the softwareserial for gps when you have a ntx2
[18:57] <fsphil> annoying
[18:59] <fsphil> the software serial interrupt takes up a lot of time, messes around with the ntx2 timing if that isn't itself using an interrupt
[18:59] <fsphil> but you can disable interrupt around your rtty bit if you're using delays
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[19:00] <fsphil> if there's a hardware uart available free, use that
[19:00] <Hix> is soldering aluminium a nightmare?
[19:06] <gonzo__> soldering?! Not possible
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[19:10] <Hix> arse, can get alu round cheap as chips, was going to make a vertical ant for permanent mounting to the house for the SDR dongles
[19:11] <gonzo__> what band/freq you interested in?
[19:11] <Hix> HAB 434
[19:12] <Hix> though interested in a 107 too for WXsatellites
[19:12] <gonzo__> you could make a j-pole antenna for hab work.
[19:12] <x-f> 137*
[19:13] <Hix> x-f you know my typos by now :)
[19:13] <gonzo__> Aly would work, but you need to make clamps etc out of something that wont react with the ali
[19:13] <Hix> I can machine ally clamps at work.
[19:13] <Hix> probably easier outo fo brass though, have to look in the stock room :)
[19:14] <gonzo__> J poles are prob a good place to start then. And there are desighs around fof the bands you want
[19:14] <gonzo__> not sure ali and brass are a good mix
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[19:14] <gonzo__> hopefully some else here will have more of a grasp of the compat of metals
[19:15] <F6AGV> UPU here ?
[19:15] <Hix> he's daaaarn saarf
[19:15] <gonzo__> for wx sat you may want to think about a QFH
[19:15] <gonzo__> that is a circ polarised onmi
[19:16] <gonzo__> but they are twitchy to make. so find a good design and stick to it to the letter
[19:16] <Hix> that's what I've seen.
[19:17] <Hix> F6AGV: think you might get him sporadically on Upu2
[19:17] <gonzo__> if you make brass clamps, you have to keep the water out of the joint
[19:17] <F6AGV> Rocketboy you are well ?
[19:17] <gonzo__> with a laquer or varnish
[19:18] <cuddykid> hey Upu - board was sent today RM 2nd so should be with you in a couple of days - thanks :)
[19:18] <RocketBoy> yep ta - just waiting for landowner to let me in to get payload
[19:18] <F6AGV> OK,
[19:18] <Hix> gonzo__ can you not solder brass?
[19:19] <Hix> and seal with E.R adhesive
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[19:20] <F6AGV> no trees, only a field ?
[19:20] <Hix> pas de l'arbre
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[19:21] <gonzo__> brass will solder
[19:22] <Hix> s'what i thought. probably easiest for connection integrity
[19:22] <gonzo__> steel will, but needs an acid flux
[19:22] <Hix> corrosion too
[19:22] <Hix> brass better
[19:22] <gonzo__> ali won't at all. You can clamp or screw/tap it
[19:23] <Hix> sod that, solder safer i reckon
[19:23] <gonzo__> brass fittings may be ok
[19:24] <Morseman> Hi all - I've one some 'urban myth' searches and can't find any spoofs/urban myth reports, so, is there really a law in Florida against releasing helium filled baloons? http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/crime/fl-helium-balloon-environmental-crime-20130222,0,3220328.story?
[19:26] <gonzo__> for my yagis I use 3/16th ali rod. For connecting the feed I file the end flat, drill a hone and screw an earthing tag to the aly with some m2.5 screws. The connections are all sprayed with conformal coating and insoide a box
[19:27] <F6AGV> Steve is it possible to keep XABEN TX on for moving to the car ?
[19:28] <Hix> gonzo__ no issues with earthing tag to ally corrosion?
[19:29] <gonzo__> mine are protected from the elements, so have been no problems for me
[19:29] <gonzo__> the conformal coating is great for that
[19:29] <Hix> 1.4" acceptable or too much?
[19:29] <Hix> 1/4" sorry
[19:30] <gonzo__> I have a yagi that was not sprayed inside the box and I suspect the ant was stiored so water got in the box and that all rotted away
[19:30] <gonzo__> but ones kept from filling with water and srayed, no prob
[19:31] <gonzo__> 1/4" for elements?
[19:31] <Hix> not for a yagi
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[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[19:32] <Hix> hi Lunar_Lander
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> how are you all today?
[19:32] <Hix> habe hunger
[19:32] <Lunar_Lander> ich auch
[19:33] <Hix> muss essen
[19:33] <F6AGV> no oxygene on lunar land ?
[19:34] <gonzo__> for a vertical, 1/4 or 1/2" is quite usual
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> oxygen I got
[19:34] <Lunar_Lander> and I got some fish for dinner :)
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[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> I wrote to some hams in Hannover and Minden and some more places east of Osnabruck
[19:36] <Lunar_Lander> where the balloon might travel
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[19:42] <Hix> I've had it with my server shitting itself and changing IP, I'm going to turn the raspberry pi into a portal to access the home network to reset stuff when i all goes tits up
[19:43] <Hix> I assume I can remote into an Rpi build?
[19:43] <Hix> if its ethernet connected to the router
[19:43] <fsphil> yea raspbian runs sshd
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[19:43] <mfa298> you can certainly ssh into it.
[19:43] <mfa298> you can probably setup vnc as well
[19:43] <fsphil> yep
[19:44] <Hix> that'd do, I'd need to get into the w2k8 server somehow
[19:44] <fsphil> basically anything a normal linux desktop does, just slower :)
[19:44] <Hix> not arsed about the speed, just ability to get to w2k8 whe it decides it wasnt to change its identity yet again
[19:44] <Hix> *wants
[19:45] <Hix> if you set the IP in the OS it loses internet connection daily
[19:45] <Hix> grrrrr
[19:45] <fsphil> I saw someone write 2k12 the other day. if I had been near them, I would have hit them
[19:46] <F6AGV> Rocketboy all's well X1 in the van ?
[19:46] <fsphil> he'll let us know when F6AGV :)
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[19:47] <fsphil> now that would be precision aiming
[19:47] <Hix> heh
[19:47] <fsphil> eroomde would be proud
[19:47] <Hix> or hungry :)
[19:47] <fsphil> don't worry about that little gps tracker on your coat...
[19:47] <mfa298> at some point I probably ought to play with win2012, know thy enemy etc etc.
[19:47] <Elwell> can you give it a permanent DHCP lease from your router?
[19:48] <Hix> elwell, done that but something keeps going tits up
[19:48] <fsphil> I instantly didn't like win2012, in the same way I instantly didn't like Gnome3
[19:48] <fsphil> but sorta getting used to it
[19:48] <Hix> probably the Thompson router tbh
[19:48] <F6AGV> evening all
[19:48] <mfa298> I wouldn't be surprised if the loss of networking is a router issue rather than a 2k8 issue
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[19:48] <mfa298> sounds a bit like the router forgetting the arp entry
[19:49] <Hix> 2k8 if set to be static in ipv4 WILL fall over I've found over the past year
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[19:50] <Hix> hopefully getting FTTC soon so, hopefully things will improve
[19:51] <fsphil> it's lovely
[19:51] <Hix> anything is compared to 1.5Mbps
[19:52] <Hix> 1.5 down 1.2 up - figure.....
[19:53] <Hix> need to pay way out of SkyTalk [g-f signed up, don't ask] as they offer 40/2 fibre
[19:53] <Hix> tossers
[19:53] <Maxell> zomg, twice the decoding power!!! http://i.imgur.com/8eeP3Qs.png
[19:54] <fsphil> until they drift over eachother :)
[19:54] <Hix> do you need 2 soundcards for 2x dlfldigi
[19:55] <fsphil> not if the two signals are within 4khz :)
[19:55] <Hix> oh wait a mo, dongle is recognised by dlfldigi as its own source isnt it?
[19:55] <fsphil> the fcd is, but it's not going to work too well
[19:56] <fsphil> as it's an IQ source
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[19:56] <Hix> so what about the jobbies i bought earlier?
[19:56] <fsphil> fldigi won't see them at all, they're dvb devices
[19:56] <fsphil> you need to run sdrsharp or other sdr software
[19:56] <Hix> so they need a soundcard
[19:56] <fsphil> kinda
[19:56] <Hix> ah gotcha
[19:57] <Hix> so the sdr feeds into dlfl...
[19:57] <fsphil> you can have sdr software play the audio to a sound card
[19:57] <Hix> ok
[19:57] <fsphil> and have fldigi capture the mixer output of that
[19:57] <fsphil> if the sound driver supports it
[19:57] <fsphil> or use a virtual sound card
[19:57] <Hix> software soundcard?
[19:57] <fsphil> virtual audio cable is one
[19:58] <Hix> i think this is going to have to run on the virtual machine as w2k8 is not going to support anything i reckon
[19:58] Action: Maxell is running Gqrx +dlfigi on monitor, and dl-fldigi with separate USB soundcard.
[19:58] <Hix> but that is centOS
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[19:59] <Hix> need hourly to run on Xubuntu
[20:01] <mfa298> it should be possible to run the hourly on Xubuntu. I was going to try it on ubuntu originally as that's where there seemed to be most success but found ubuntu didn't agree with my home network
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[20:01] <mfa298> which is why I used CentOS (plus I prefer RHEL/CentOS/Fedora)
[20:02] <fsphil> I got it going in centos, but I needed to beat up python a bit
[20:02] <Hix> I'll have to try and get it running over the weekend, i might just turn the server into xubuntu
[20:02] <Hix> but that's screw some .net stuff i had
[20:02] <Hix> shit happens
[20:04] <mfa298> if you've got enough ram solve everything by putting ESXi onto the server and then have vm's for hourly, 2k8 and anything else you want.
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[20:04] <Hix> 8Gb currently
[20:04] <mfa298> although I've not actually tried the rtl_sdr or dl-fldigi in a vm yet to see how they work
[20:05] Action: Elwell re-reads the above -- so to use FCD and/or rtl-sdr cards with dl-fldigi you need to run em via something like gqrx?
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[20:06] Action: Hix thinks he will be taking GMT up on his setup help offer for SDR
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[20:08] <Hix> 2Gb will be easily enough for Xubuntu won't it?
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[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> RAM?
[20:08] <Hix> 1gig for CentOS and the rest for the MS hog
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> or HDD?
[20:08] <Hix> RAM kev
[20:08] <mfa298> so once I've sorted out a small, customized vm for the predictors do I need to try one for the rtl-sdr.
[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> I run ubuntu on 2 GB RAM quite OK
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[20:08] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[20:09] <mfa298> you can probably run the hourly on less.
[20:09] <Hix> figured it'd be fine
[20:09] <mfa298> i think my hourly vm is set to 768
[20:09] <Hix> was thinking 1gig for hourly if i cant get it to run on Xubuntu
[20:09] <Hix> if i can, then 4Gb for w2k8 and 4 for Xubuntu
[20:10] <mfa298> depending on what system you use you don't get the whole 8G of ram for vm's
[20:10] <mfa298> ESXi has a small overhead per vm (around 120mb from memory)
[20:11] <Hix> keep getting offered contracts in germany and holland - for about the same rate as contracts in the UK, wtf
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[20:11] <Hix> so for 2 i'm losing ~256. I'll live with that
[20:12] <Hix> at least with 2 vm on the server i can contact either if w2k8 shits itself - sorry, when
[20:13] <costyn> Elwell: correct, you need some software to tune the rtl-sdr usb stick and decode the signal into audio
[20:13] <mfa298> I dont promise ESXi is necessarily the right solution, but if your running a headless server it's not a bad solution for running vms
[20:13] <costyn> Elwell: you then feed the audio into dl-fldigi to decode the rtty signal from the audio
[20:14] <Hix> headless mfa298 ?
[20:14] <costyn> Hix: no keyboard or monitor
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[20:14] <mfa298> as in a machine you don't work at (potentially no keyboard/monitor/mouse)
[20:14] <Hix> ahh getcha, yup
[20:14] Action: Hix is headless
[20:15] <Hix> like a chicken
[20:15] <Elwell> costyn: ta - I thought so - hence use case for the gqrx issue
[20:15] <mfa298> it should be possible to install ESXi on a usb stick if you wanted to test it out (I've got it on a 2G usb stick and then the drives are just for vms)
[20:16] <Hix> hmm, definitely worth a look into, already got the centOS image there so just a w2k8 needed to test out
[20:16] <costyn> Hix: :)
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[20:17] <costyn> Elwell: there's a howto on the ukhas wik
[20:17] <mfa298> you might find it wants to reformat your disk to it's own format so it might be worth using a spare drive if you want to test it out.
[20:17] <Hix> costyn: when is your launch?
[20:17] <costyn> Hix: saturday
[20:17] <Hix> hmmm, that could be an issue mfa298
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[20:18] <Hix> cool costyn I'll see if i can decode - probably nearer to you than the lake district
[20:18] <costyn> prediction looks good, hasn't changed much past 24 hours, although we're still quite a ways away of course http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=1566654415b5a91de59df16d3d10547e26b3bd34
[20:18] <Hix> ahhhh - mfa298
[20:18] Action: Hix remembers old laptop drives in bedroom cupboard :)
[20:19] <Hix> costyn: I'm going to a Venlo landing
[20:19] <costyn> Hix: wut?
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[20:19] <Hix> just reserving to beat fsphil :)
[20:19] <costyn> Hix: you want to cross the channel?
[20:20] <Hix> no - yours :)
[20:20] <Hix> flight not channel :D
[20:20] Action: costyn is confused... what's this about Venlo and beating fsphil ?
[20:20] <Hix> and replace to with for :/
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[20:21] <Hix> i was reserving my orediction for your flight to land in Venlo. fsphil was making predictions against daveake at the weekend so i was reserving my spot :)
[20:21] <Hix> all as clear as mud i bed costyn
[20:22] <Hix> just ignore me, Im hungry, that's my excuse
[20:22] <daveake> All you need to know is my prediction was close and fsphil's wasn't :)
[20:22] <Hix> heh
[20:22] <Hix> daveake: HAB point war looming
[20:23] <daveake> Hah
[20:23] <fsphil> sadly daveake has a HAB point WMD
[20:23] <daveake> Well if tomorrow's flight does what I'm hoping, I shall open up a small lead there
[20:25] <Hix> heh
[20:25] <Hix> there should be a table on the wiki :)
[20:25] <Hix> everything else seems to be there
[20:25] <Hix> hidden somewhere
[20:26] <fsphil> it's up to each person to count their own scores. we totally trust you all
[20:27] <Hix> :D
[20:27] <Hix> there should be a wiki to determine how and how many points are scored fo reach action
[20:27] <fsphil> trouble is the unexpected actions that tend to get most points
[20:28] <fsphil> well unless it's landing on a car
[20:28] <fsphil> the exception there being landing a teddy bear on a car
[20:29] <daveake> Another win for me :)
[20:30] <Hix> IOM has to be worth the max from NI
[20:32] <Elwell> oooh split display / SDR engine plan for gqrx
[20:32] <Elwell> nice
[20:32] <GMT> doesn't have to be IOM, just 'land on an island'
[20:32] <fsphil> that would be ideal Elwell
[20:33] <fsphil> technically GB is an island, and I landed on that
[20:33] <Hix> heh
[20:33] <fsphil> points need to be related to the size of the island :)
[20:33] <GMT> I was going to include a special rule for that ... island you land on must be smaller than you launch from'
[20:34] <Hix> looks like quite aweekend ahead: SDR, virtualisation, Xubuntu hourly, nest cams[ if they arrive] and food
[20:35] <fsphil> I tried to get my cameras running last weekend but ended up tidying the back garden
[20:36] <Hix> i think the IR array i got may be a bit over the top
[20:36] <fsphil> yea
[20:36] <fsphil> think it might cook them? :)
[20:36] <fsphil> I have two IR LEDs, that's plenty
[20:37] <Hix> thinking mount it away from the tree and see how it works
[20:37] <fsphil> and eight white LEDs
[20:37] <fsphil> but to be honest even that's overkill
[20:37] <Hix> the camera is rated to 0.001LUX if the specs are to be believed
[20:38] <fsphil> I think the BBC's springwatch boxes use a fair few white LEDs
[20:38] <Hix> and the topiary tree they always nest in is fairly sparse so if i mount the array somewhere not too close it should be ok
[20:38] <fsphil> they generally won't bother about things mounted nearby
[20:38] <Hix> daytime shouldn't be an issue as it's not a box
[20:39] <Hix> i got massive g-f points for this plan :)
[20:39] <fsphil> what kind do you have?
[20:39] <fsphil> box, not gf :)
[20:39] <Hix> heh
[20:39] <Hix> not got one yet, just a topiary tree they always come to
[20:40] <Hix> but might biuld a box
[20:40] <Hix> or build
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[20:42] <Hix> wo in de bis du Lunar_Lander ?
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[21:07] <costyn> Hibby: thanks, makes sense now :)
[21:07] <costyn> err.. that was meant for Hix
[21:08] <Hibby> hahah
[21:08] <Hibby> i was curious when this one was highlighted
[21:08] <costyn> :)
[21:09] <costyn> so, is it a good idea to let up a (few) small party balloon(s) up on string to see what the wind is doing?
[21:09] <costyn> on our site the wind will be coming from behind the buidling, so it'll be a little turbulent
[21:11] <Lunar_Lander> hix, Osnabruck
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[21:28] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[21:28] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[21:29] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[21:29] <OZ1SKY_Brian> fine thanks, are you ready for your flight?
[21:34] <griffonbot> @daveake: My next Pi In The Sky flight should go ahead tomorrow (Wed) morning about 11am. See http://t.co/s4IVCgSoz1 for details #raspberry_pi #UKHAS [http://twitter.com/daveake/status/306517701566795777]
[21:34] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> today I bought a tube for the filler
[21:35] <Lunar_Lander> and I wrote to some hams east of Osnabruck
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[21:36] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok sounds good. will see if i can get something ready here for remote monitoring, as im at work during your launch
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:36] <Lunar_Lander> hi RocketBoy
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> just said it to brian, today I bought myself a 40mm tube
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> so that I can make the filler tomorrow
[21:37] <daveake> Not 38.6mm?
[21:37] <daveake> 40mm is good :)
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> it indeed isn't 40 mm exactly when I measured it
[21:37] <OZ1SKY_Brian> lol
[21:37] <Lunar_Lander> but that is manufacturing tolerance I think
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> daveake, do you have a prediction for tommorows flight?
[21:38] <daveake> Balloons are made of rubber. It's not critical.
[21:38] <fsphil> prediction: awesome
[21:38] <chrisstubbs> I am at work, but i will set up VNC and try my best to track for you and upu
[21:39] <daveake> Well Upu's will hopefully go off to france
[21:39] <daveake> Mine something like http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=976ed75bc3066d30a8f59e42e019fc8c4811cebb
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> Interesting work with the 3G btw i am looking forward to seeing how well it works
[21:39] <chrisstubbs> cheers :)
[21:39] <fsphil> the pie flight will be a bit more of a challange than the usual flights, with the higher data rate
[21:39] <daveake> yup
[21:39] <daveake> It's a test to see how well that works
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> i expect i would get 50% decodes on 50 baud at that distance. but will give it a try anyway :)
[21:40] <daveake> There's a 50-baud backup tracker on the line too
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[21:40] <daveake> Well the images have FEC and should work better than the telemetry!
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, and I hope for a good track
[21:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> as the day approaches
[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> hi SP9UOB_Tom
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[21:47] <domlin> evening all
[21:47] <Maxell> hai
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[21:48] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB_Tom, do you want to try to listen too?
[21:48] <Maxell> How hard will it be to recieve SSTV?
[21:48] <fsphil> SSDV (there's a difference) will be decoded automatically by dl-fldigi
[21:48] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: when ?
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> March 5
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> 10 to 11 am will be the launch window
[21:49] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: sure !
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[21:49] <fsphil> heck I'll have a listen
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> let's hope the radio range will be good
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> today I completed the X groundplane antenna
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> but first the reception was crappy
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[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> the lines were blown up in width
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> and the RTTY sounded awful
[21:49] <Lunar_Lander> but then I noticed why
[21:50] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: i can announce it in polish ham radio community - they love balloons ;-)
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> the green LED was flickering as I used dead batteries!
[21:50] <daveake> we noticed SP9UOB_Tom!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> I hooked it to the lab power supply, and there was solid TX
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> SP9UOB_Tom, cool!
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> parameters are 434.075 MHz
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> and it is in dl-fldigi as OERNEN-II
[21:50] <Lunar_Lander> damn
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[21:51] <Lunar_Lander> in my e-mails I just explained the tracking network and sent the tracking guide but didn't say that we can be found in dl-fldigi
[21:51] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: where do You launch from ?
[21:52] <Lunar_Lander> Osnabruck
[21:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> and whai is the predicted direction? East?
[21:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> what
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> yes, at least at the moment
[21:53] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
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[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=3b6ca18e9b95d50d0f82658e636024419a956f6f
[21:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: Do You need chasing team in Poland?
[21:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: not so far :-)
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> ah I don't think so
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> yea :)
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> but it would be good to have people if there would be a strong wind
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> as I mentioned I wrote to some hams along the track
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> when you check spacenear, western and eastern europe are covered well
[21:55] <Lunar_Lander> central europe not so much
[21:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> so good luck - tuesday morning is not good for many hams - but I try :-)
[21:56] <Elwell> we've got a few lumpy bits around us here -- need to get em high :0(
[21:58] <g7ogxchris> are there no kep elements for strand 1 yet?
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[22:00] <SP9UOB_Tom> anyway 100g baloon does 24.5 km altitude :-)
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[22:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> something you would like to share?
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[22:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ups
[22:06] <pjm> g7ogxchris: http://www.uk.amsat.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Provisional_STRaND-1_TLE1.txt
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[22:12] <Lunar_Lander> OZ1SKY_Brian, how do you mean?
[22:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> nothing, wrong window
[22:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:16] <Hix> jayzus, RocketBoy not still waiting is he?
[22:16] <RocketBoy> na - home
[22:17] <Hix> recover both?
[22:17] <RocketBoy> a fine days baloonerning
[22:17] <Hix> excellent
[22:17] <Hix> good work mr random
[22:18] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[22:19] <Lunar_Lander> RocketBoy, tomorrow I will make the filling tube
[22:19] <RocketBoy> yea
[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> and then we are coming up to the grand test on friday
[22:20] <RocketBoy> :-)
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[22:20] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> and I hope that we will get a good prediction
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> what I wanted to ask
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> I saw there is a 00z, 06z and 18z dataset
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> is there a dataset every 6 hours?
[22:21] <daveake> yes
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> ah ok
[22:21] <Lunar_Lander> so now we just have to wait in that regard
[22:22] <daveake> Well you need to wait till ~3 days before launch really
[22:22] <Lunar_Lander> that's what I meant
[22:23] <daveake> Tempting as it is to check every 6 hours, it's not very useful!
[22:23] <Lunar_Lander> that is true
[22:24] <Lunar_Lander> the test on friday will make sure that we are technically done
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[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:26] <Lunar_Lander> I hope the cutdown doens't malfunction
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[22:38] <Hix-Android> So it turns out w2k8 hadnt shat itself. For the first time since 2009 my non static ip address changed
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[22:40] <Lunar_Lander> evening AdamDynamic
[22:40] <AdamDynamic> Hi Lunar, how's thing?
[22:40] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn
[22:40] <AdamDynamic> *things?
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[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> quite good
[22:45] <Lunar_Lander> with that first launch coming up
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[22:47] <AdamDynamic> First launch? Sounds exciting!
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[22:48] <fsphil> they certainly are
[22:49] <arko> whats the best place to find the dl-fldigi HAB format?
[22:49] <jonsowman> telem format?
[22:49] <arko> yeah
[22:50] <fsphil> http://ukhas.org.uk/communication:protocol
[22:50] <arko> derp
[22:50] <jonsowman> damn
[22:50] <arko> derp
[22:50] <jonsowman> too late
[22:50] <arko> haha
[22:50] <arko> thanks
[22:50] <fsphil> take that zeusbot
[22:50] <jonsowman> zeusbot is a grumpy sod
[22:50] <arko> is there a menu for ukhas im missing?
[22:50] <arko> it's hard to find things
[22:50] <arko> could be just me though
[22:50] <jonsowman> there's a search...
[22:50] <fsphil> yea, google is easier
[22:50] <jonsowman> it could perhaps be better organised
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> yea I am excited/scared
[22:51] <arko> it's fine, my wiki's aren't much better :P
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[22:51] <arko> im just gonna google site:ukhas.org.uk
[22:51] <arko> from now on
[22:51] <fsphil> my first launch was followed by my first ever time camping outdoors
[22:51] <jonsowman> eroomde: yeah
[22:51] <fsphil> preceeded even
[22:51] <jonsowman> oops
[22:51] <jonsowman> * arko
[22:51] <jonsowman> sorry ed
[22:51] <arko> ah nice, code written already
[22:52] <arko> you guys make it too easy :)
[22:52] <jonsowman> we do worry about that
[22:52] <fsphil> yeaaa
[22:53] <fsphil> why does that code use memcpy, instead of strcat
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[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:56] <Lunar_Lander> yea I am excited/scared
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[22:56] <AdamDynamic> What payload are you using for your first flight?
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[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> arduino mega pro with several sensors
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> one sec
[22:58] <Lunar_Lander> https://oernen2balloon.wordpress.com/2013/02/24/the-start-of-a-stratosphere-balloon-project/
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[22:59] <AdamDynamic> Ah, that's you? I found your site a couple of days ago
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[23:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> Lunar_Lander: LaTeX :) ?
[23:05] <SP9UOB_Tom> http://oernen2balloon.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/launch-checklist-1-english.pdf
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[23:07] <Lunar_Lander> yes :)
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[23:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> i knew it ;-)
[23:09] <SP9UOB_Tom> i do lots of things in LaTeX :-)
[23:10] <Lunar_Lander> cool
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[23:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> including commercial invoices and some other stuff :-)
[23:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> ok, its time to bed
[23:10] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> night
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> Friday 3pm, spacex launch to station with 1200lb of cargo
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