highaltitude.log.20130219

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[00:47] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: Where to launch in UK."
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[02:00] <arko> damn it, this camera quality sucks
[02:01] <nigelvh> Is that so?
[02:01] <arko> also these crickets are digging holes under rocks so the detector keeps thinking they are getting eaten
[03:00] <eroomde> yo
[03:00] <eroomde> so the re-englishification is going well
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[03:03] <nigelvh> Yes?
[03:03] <eroomde> yes
[03:04] <eroomde> 3am and raring to start the day
[03:06] <nigelvh> Woo
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[03:13] <eroomde> richard briers has died
[03:25] <SpeedEvil> he had a good life.
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[03:27] <eroomde> badum ching
[03:28] <eroomde> i might stealthat
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[04:00] <arko> damn it, the snake slid up to the webcam and moved it
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[04:05] <arko> http://www.imgur.com/Z2VFj5S.jpeg
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[04:06] <arko> Damn snake messing with the program
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[05:48] <CrazyBird_Cawww> hi!
[06:25] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/vZ4PsbS.png
[06:25] <arko> hahaha
[06:26] <nigelvh> Haha
[06:29] <CrazyBird_Cawww> http://hackaday.com/2012/03/20/software-defined-radio-from-a-usb-tv-capture-card/
[06:29] <CrazyBird_Cawww> has anyone had any experience using one of these cheap dongles as a receiver for their balloon?
[06:32] <nigelvh> I know some people have done so, but I can't really speak to it at all.
[06:32] <eroomde> morn
[06:32] <eroomde> i think
[06:32] <nigelvh> Evening
[06:33] <eroomde> CrazyBird_Cawww: yes, a few of us have used them successfully
[06:33] <arko> evening indeed
[06:33] <eroomde> they're basically fine as they go, but not as sensitive as a more conventional ham radio rig
[06:34] <CrazyBird_Cawww> Cool, this is my first set up and cash is tight so it's good to hear
[06:34] <eroomde> screen arrives later today. this correlates in my mind with all sorts of technical breakthroughs
[06:35] <eroomde> CrazyBird_Cawww: they're great especially for things like testing on the bench and chase cars. but you probably won;t be competiting in the 500km receiving range contests
[06:35] <arko> the revolution is about to begin
[06:35] <eroomde> yup! getting to work early to spend a an hour or two on the linalg book
[06:37] <arko> nice
[06:37] <arko> sounds like a good morning
[06:37] <eroomde> yep
[06:37] <eroomde> then we start in earnest on getting gyroc ready for hovering
[06:38] <eroomde> pcb designing
[06:39] <arko> wait what
[06:39] <arko> hover test?
[06:40] <eroomde> for our hovering rocket
[06:41] <eroomde> we want to get a tethered hover done asap
[06:41] <arko> duuude
[06:41] <arko> videos if you can make it public, or it didnt happen
[06:41] <eroomde> yes we will
[06:41] <arko> :)
[06:41] <eroomde> there's plenty of unexciting things to do first though
[06:41] <nigelvh> That's gonna be awesome!
[06:41] <eroomde> water mass-flow tests
[06:42] <eroomde> tuning things and loops and bibbotybobs
[06:42] <eroomde> lots of firmware to write
[06:42] <arko> heh, reminds me of when i was building my quadrotor
[06:42] <arko> everyone kept giving me shit because i had a teetertot with two motors
[06:42] <arko> did balance tuning
[06:42] <arko> lots of firm
[06:42] <arko> ware
[06:43] <arko> mostly coding, then people were like, why does it not fly yet
[06:43] <eroomde> it's hard
[06:43] <arko> IM LIKE DUDE
[06:43] <arko> seriously?
[06:43] <arko> >_<
[06:43] <eroomde> 2 tuned pid loops and the relatively easy final bit having done all the software development to just make it turn on and log things to sd cards and so on
[06:43] <arko> hmm
[06:44] <arko> sounds like you are going to need some high speed memory cards
[06:44] <eroomde> not so much for the flight thing
[06:44] <eroomde> just wants to log the entire state at maybe 100Hz, rather than khz
[06:45] <arko> oh
[06:45] <arko> and it's a short slow hop right?
[06:45] <eroomde> although i want highish speed logging to be able to get the closed loop response of everything
[06:45] <eroomde> so we can tune a cleverer controller
[06:45] <eroomde> but that comes later i guess
[06:45] <arko> are you going to model it and tune it there?
[06:46] <arko> i cant imagine any other way
[06:46] <eroomde> in theory
[06:46] <arko> heh
[06:47] <eroomde> but once you have it closed loop enough to be stable, you can measure the response vs commands in a hovering flight and do a bit of algebraic manipulation of the transfer function of the control loop (given you know the controller explicitly) to extract the open loop transfer function
[06:47] <eroomde> which you can use to design a good model based on the actual hardware rather than the model
[06:48] <arko> oh
[06:48] <arko> clever
[06:48] <Upu> morning, sleeping patterns settling back then eroomde ? :)
[06:48] <eroomde> it's super simple really if you think about it just in terms of the s-space
[06:48] <eroomde> Upu: was wide awake at 3
[06:49] <eroomde> but at least i slept 10.30-3
[06:49] <Upu> I saw
[06:49] <arko> makes sense
[06:49] <arko> i've just never done it before
[06:49] <arko> hmm
[06:49] <eroomde> no indeed, when i first saw it i was like 'heh, didn;t realise it was that easy'
[06:49] <Maxell> Today is a launch right?
[06:49] <Upu> yep Maxell
[06:49] <arko> it's smart heh
[06:50] <arko> eroomde: have you thought about visual tracking?
[06:50] <eroomde> the actual details of turning a CSV file of gyro measurements vs motor angle commands into a transfer function is a bit fugly, but then software can do that
[06:50] <arko> throw some fiducial points and cameras
[06:50] <Maxell> Yeah, won't be at the hackerspace with nice antenna for listening and we havn't setup remote access yet :P
[06:50] <Maxell> XABEN41?
[06:50] <eroomde> yes, but seems easy to do it onboad especially as we want to fly it anywhere
[06:50] <eroomde> and up to high alts and so on
[06:51] <eroomde> XABEN41! Steve has been prolific in the last couple of years
[06:51] <Upu> yep
[06:51] <Upu> 41 of the official ones
[06:51] <eroomde> yes indeed
[06:51] <arko> sure, that makes sense. I assume you have some nice IMU's
[06:52] <eroomde> nova only goes to like 24 or something but i've done of the order of 80 betrween all the various hats. and none in the last year
[06:52] <eroomde> last 2 years even
[06:52] <arko> i would just be suspicious about the state estimate error for the translation
[06:52] <eroomde> infact none really since the ESA guff
[06:53] <eroomde> yep, though we're not worried about translation atm
[06:53] <eroomde> just want to hover
[06:53] <arko> ohh
[06:53] <arko> alt is easy
[06:53] <arko> well
[06:53] <arko> not easy
[06:53] <arko> shouldnt say that
[06:53] <eroomde> :)
[06:53] <arko> but it's easier*
[06:53] <arko> :)
[06:53] <eroomde> kalman filter with accelerometer and barometer
[06:53] <arko> differential pressure
[06:53] <eroomde> is the current plan
[06:53] <arko> cool
[06:53] <arko> that makes sense
[06:53] <arko> so you are fixing it to a poll or something?
[06:54] <eroomde> should hopefully be good enough over the order of about 1-2m
[06:54] <arko> so it only travels Z
[06:54] <eroomde> no, letting it dangle but just trying to keep it over once spot using the lateral accelerometers
[06:54] <arko> ah
[06:54] <arko> cool
[06:54] <eroomde> it will be constrained by the teather so it can't move more than a couple of meters in any direction
[06:54] <arko> nice
[06:55] <arko> neat
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[06:55] <eroomde> this is probably not going to happen until the end of april tho
[06:55] <eroomde> annoyingly
[06:55] <eroomde> as andy is in thailand for 3 weeks during april
[06:55] <eroomde> and we have anough to keep us busy for 4 weeks in the mean time
[06:55] <Maxell> What would be the cheapest GPS+transmitter combo? 40 euros?
[06:56] <eroomde> with all the software and vaionics box and new wiring and lots of strapped down tests of the new engine with the new injectors and and and
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[06:57] <eroomde> which starts today....
[06:57] <eroomde> doing a nice front panel designer job for the connector panels for the avionics boxes. it's gonna be well sexytime :)
[06:58] <eroomde> http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/showcase/front-panels/index.html
[06:58] <eroomde> they are so yummy
[06:59] <arko> nice!
[07:00] <arko> so much to do
[07:00] <arko> :)
[07:00] <eroomde> yep!
[07:01] <eroomde> so much learning of theory + trying to use it straight away in messy real things
[07:01] <eroomde> kinda exciting tho
[07:03] <arko> seriously
[07:03] <arko> im jealous dude
[07:03] <arko> thats a helluva job
[07:04] <eroomde> i need to know the RAL color code of the grey used in the nasa instrument panels
[07:04] <eroomde> eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/geirv/4966966455/sizes/o/in/photostream/
[07:04] <eroomde> it's probably itar classified, who knows what could happen if that info got into the wrong hands
[07:04] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
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[07:08] <arko> eroomde: haha
[07:08] <arko> itar that paint bro
[07:08] <arko> not like photoshop could tell you :P
[07:08] Action: arko hears the door kick down
[07:09] <nigelvh> Only patriots can use that paint.
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[07:23] <arko> damn it
[07:24] <arko> this router keeps giving me issue
[07:24] <arko> s
[07:24] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/xVJGsl0.jpg
[07:24] Action: Maxell clicks
[07:24] <arko> im trying to get this port forwarded but something is weird
[07:24] <Maxell> lol, lazoors
[07:25] <arko> it's been tracking the lizards and crickets, but now it's offline :(
[07:25] <arko> seeing how the snake didnt want to play with the lizard
[07:26] <arko> and my program couldn't compensate for the crickets going under the rocks and making the count fluctuate
[07:26] <arko> i have wasted a good amount of time today, achievement unlock
[07:26] <arko> should have been studying...
[07:27] <Maxell> I should be working, but now I'm looking at lizzards with lazors
[07:27] <arko> ye
[07:27] <arko> s
[07:27] <arko> we also named the lizard Generic Lizard Unit SN0000 thanks to fsphil
[07:28] <arko> i wish i could stream the opencv video frame, has fancy lines
[07:33] <Maxell> damn
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[07:36] <arko> time to sleep
[07:37] <arko> nighty night
[07:37] <Maxell> lol, thats a silly timezone.
[07:37] <arko> tiz
[07:40] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/Sowc0JM.gif?1
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[08:05] <craag> Morning Upu
[08:05] <UpuWork> hey craag morning
[08:05] <UpuWork> is that me or a bug ?
[08:06] <craag> It is asserting the rotator every 10s, but isn't changing the position, so the rotator shouldn't physically move if you leave it (or so I thought).
[08:06] <UpuWork> its triggering the motors
[08:06] <craag> Sounds like a bug in pstrotator to me.
[08:06] <craag> But I'll have to put in a workaround.
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[08:07] <UpuWork> current position is 186
[08:07] <UpuWork> but its requesting 187
[08:07] <craag> Oh ok.
[08:08] <craag> I'll spin another one that only sends a control command when it needs to.
[08:08] <craag> brb rebooting into windoze
[08:09] <UpuWork> thanks
[08:18] <craag> Uploading now. The issue is that I don't currnetly have a way to 'read' the rotator position, and so previously you'd mentioned you had to restart the program to get it to correct for some changes you'd made.
[08:19] <UpuWork> ok
[08:19] <craag> I thought I'd fix that by just sending the same control command each loop, and thought pstrotator would see that it was equal to what it was before, and ignore it.
[08:19] <craag> But, physical-world-mechanics say no.
[08:21] <craag> UpuWork: https://www.thecraag.com/files/habrotate-0.5.1-upufix.zip
[08:22] <UpuWork> ta
[08:22] <craag> I took the config.json out, so you can just unzip it over.
[08:22] <UpuWork> I'll let you know at work now so can't tell
[08:22] <UpuWork> but I'll keep the old files and check it tonight
[08:23] <craag> It will now just be sending control commands when it hits the hysteresis.
[08:23] <UpuWork> well PSTRotator isn't blinking now
[08:24] <UpuWork> thanks again :)
[08:24] <craag> That's ok. Another lesson in why I should get myself a real rotator to test on!
[08:25] <UpuWork> lol
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[08:29] <fsphil> yes, that's a good excus.. er.. reason to get one
[08:30] <craag> hehe
[08:31] <craag> No proper reason for me to get one. But the Uni club have one, just need somewhere to put it!
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[08:43] <Maxell> Shouldn't there be chaos right now, before the launch?
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[08:46] <fsphil> this is steve
[08:46] <x-f> not if you launch 41th+ time :)
[08:46] <fsphil> there is no chaos, only launch
[08:48] <craag> Can someone see if they can access http://websdr.thecraag.com:8901/ for me?
[08:48] <x-f> accessible
[08:48] <daveake> "Waiting for ..."
[08:48] <fsphil> nothing
[08:48] <daveake> ah there it is
[08:48] <x-f> i get the sound
[08:48] <craag> Great, thanks.
[08:48] <fsphil> still "Connecting..." for me
[08:49] <craag> I now have 2 of you on.
[08:49] <Maxell> connected and its scrolling
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[08:49] <Maxell> thats me
[08:50] <craag> Thanks, just wanted to check port forwarding setup.
[08:50] <Maxell> :)
[08:50] <fsphil> is there a limit?
[08:50] <craag> That'll be availible during the flight today for anyone who's not in range to track. (I'm out at lectures)
[08:51] <jcoxon> ping Upu
[08:51] <UpuWork> morning jcoxon
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[08:52] <craag> fsphil: To the number of people, yes, 16 I think I set it to.
[08:52] <craag> Wait, no, it's on 40. I should probably change that! (It's running on a single-core atom netbook)
[08:53] <fsphil> still not getting any response
[08:53] <fsphil> ah
[08:53] <fsphil> worked that time
[08:53] <Maxell> Also the internetz co nnection is intresting
[08:53] <fsphil> at least, I have a title
[08:53] <Maxell> I hope it's not ADSL :P
[08:53] <fsphil> but no page yet
[08:54] <craag> It'll have just gone down, back up now with 16 user limit.
[08:54] <fsphil> still nought
[08:54] <craag> It's virgin media fibre, supposed to be 5Mbps up.
[08:55] <Maxell> ah, oki
[08:55] <nosebleedkt> good morning everybody
[08:55] <fsphil> this remains to be seen nosebleedkt :)
[08:55] <nosebleedkt> :)
[08:55] <nosebleedkt> UK-like day here
[08:55] <cm13g09> craag: See you in what might as well be Advanced Denis?
[08:56] <craag> cm13g09: Yep!
[08:56] <fsphil> get the sun screen out!
[08:56] <nosebleedkt> I don't believe you have that atmosphere more than 1 week
[08:56] <cm13g09> (for those wondering, it's either Advanced Computer Architecture or Real-time and Embedded Computing, but... well.... anything can and will happen)
[08:56] <cm13g09> isn't that right craag
[08:57] <craag> average of about 1 slide per lecture.. yep!
[08:57] <cm13g09> coupled with a moan about Serial
[08:57] <cm13g09> or USB
[08:57] <cm13g09> or something else
[08:57] Action: cm13g09 declares it's time to have breakfast!
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[09:15] <fsphil> oh yea, I removed java
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[09:34] <Maxell> The balloon `ATLAS` is cheating!
[09:35] <fsphil> do not underestimate jcoxon :)
[09:35] <jcoxon> nah i'm cheating
[09:36] <Maxell> :P
[09:36] <jcoxon> i'm off line
[09:36] <jcoxon> so clear it
[09:36] <UpuWork> done
[09:37] <craag> fsphil: Yeah, the java bit is quite painful.
[09:38] <Maxell> craag: how'd I set the freq to 434 MHz?
[09:38] <Maxell> Even when the lower freq. bar isn't updating?
[09:38] <craag> Also it speaks non-HTTP over port 8901 for the waterfall and audio, so won't sit behind a reverse proxy.
[09:39] <craag> Maxell: You change it in the center frequency box at the top, but don't at the moment please.
[09:39] <Maxell> oki
[09:39] <craag> Currently watching my 868 payload (the big signal).
[09:40] <Maxell> huh, you can only tune to one?
[09:40] <Maxell> ah, what kind of signal is it?
[09:40] <craag> The bandwidth is only 200KHz, so you can listen to multiple things in the same 200KHz.
[09:40] <Maxell> hehe, oh right.
[09:41] <craag> Maxell: Try changing it now.
[09:41] <Maxell> http://websdr.thecraag.com:8901/ right?
[09:41] <craag> yeah.
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[09:41] <craag> And the 868 payload is 600 baud rtty.
[09:42] <Maxell> Hmm, it's not loading anymore
[09:42] <craag> :(
[09:45] <craag> frequency control program segfaulted.
[09:46] <Maxell> and netcat just fails to connect towards that port.
[09:48] <craag> Hmmm, well I've gotta go now. The center frequency is set up ready, so if you do manage to connect, you don't need to play with that.
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[09:53] <Maxell> okinnice
[10:01] <Maxell> M0UPU sure likes to track HAB :P
[10:02] <UpuWork> I have been known
[10:02] <Maxell> nice :P
[10:03] <Darkside> It is known
[10:04] <fsphil> hah
[10:10] <fsphil> that's a lot of stations for a weekday launch
[10:11] <eroomde> overhead ergonomic conversation in the office: "Do the monitors go any higher? the top is meant to be at eye level,"
[10:11] <eroomde> "Well, it is at eye level if I slouch"
[10:12] <mfa298> get them a yellow pages, they seem to do a reasonable job.
[10:13] <gonzo_> we had that sort of thing. But I claim that gives me neck ache, as I'm looking up and down with every key stroke. Cos I need to look at the kbd to see what I'm typing.
[10:13] <eroomde> yes same
[10:13] <eroomde> really the keyboard needs to be up at eye level
[10:14] <gonzo_> That upsets the HSE minions, as their docs don;t cover that
[10:14] <gonzo_> and their brains overheat
[10:14] <mfa298> I think the only time I've had the top of a monitor at eye level is when I had a 19" crt.
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[10:22] <fsphil> my monitor at home is too low
[10:22] <fsphil> but I hate the whole setup atm. thinking of ripping it all out and starting from scratch
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[10:24] <chrisg7ogx> what a beautiful day!
[10:24] <fsphil> fog here :)
[10:24] <fsphil> which has it's own kind of beauty
[10:24] <fsphil> -'
[10:25] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[10:25] <chrisg7ogx> a sort of weather hangover
[10:26] <chrisg7ogx> it's one of those anti cyclone days here not a cloud..propagation on the higher bands may be good
[10:26] <fsphil> suspect it's lovely and sunny above this fog
[10:26] <Maxell> almost time!! :D
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[10:26] <mattbrejza> not a cloud in sight in soton
[10:27] <fsphil> the forecast said the fog wouldn't last long
[10:27] <fsphil> and it is slowly getting brighter...
[10:27] <chrisg7ogx> soon burn off
[10:27] <HixWork> crystal clear on the Thames effluent
[10:27] <HixWork> sorry estuary :)
[10:27] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[10:28] <fsphil> good day for a swim? :)
[10:28] <chrisg7ogx> is it true about the drinking water there?
[10:28] <chrisg7ogx> it's been through a human at least three times already
[10:29] <HixWork> in the past hour at least :)
[10:29] <chrisg7ogx> gotta go downstairs and introduce myself to the wifey..
[10:29] <HixWork> speaking of fog - good timelapse http://goo.gl/4AXz
[10:30] <fsphil> love a good timelapse
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[10:31] <fsphil> and that is a very good one
[10:33] <fsphil> that last shot, love it
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[10:37] <HixWork> banned here, just knew it was the right link :) good innit
[10:48] <Elwell> there's a nice astro one over ASKAP somewhere
[10:48] <HixWork> hmm, I can't RDC into my server and when i ping my IP i get 100 loss
[10:48] <HixWork> yet the hourly is runnig fine, so its connected
[10:48] <HixWork> ideas?
[10:49] <Elwell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoDk4D2RAw (the ones of the ESA scopes are lovely too)
[10:50] <fsphil> firewall?
[10:50] <gonzo_> static ip?
[10:50] <fsphil> NAT? (urg)
[10:50] <HixWork> my firewall is opened for the fight ports as was RDC most of yesterday, unless work have changed something, but I doubt that
[10:50] <HixWork> IP is correct as I can access hourly
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[10:55] <Brace> but when you ping it you get no response?
[10:55] <Brace> can you ssh to it?
[10:55] <HixWork> weirs thing is the IP on std port 80 should show IIS7 error, but isnt. Port 3400 shows hourly and is fine. wonder if the VM is bogging down W2K8 as it runds prediction?
[10:56] <HixWork> SSH not set up with port forwarding, it's what I was trying to do now
[10:56] <costyn> HixWork: what were the login details for the centos image you linked me yesterday?
[10:56] <HixWork> MSG costyn root habhub1
[10:56] <costyn> HixWork: thx :)
[10:56] <Brace> does who ever provide the VM give you access to an admin shell / KVMoverIP or similar?
[10:57] <Brace> or stats on the VM so you can see if the cPU is trashing etc
[10:57] <fsphil> I like the way that displayed here as root *******
[10:57] <costyn> fsphil: you mean it didn't say ***** ?
[10:57] <costyn> :P
[10:57] <Brace> quick what's the IP of that server....
[10:57] <Brace> ;)
[10:57] <fsphil> 127.0.0.1
[10:57] <Maxell> huh? *******
[10:57] <costyn> Brace: 10.0.2.5
[10:58] <costyn> :P
[10:58] <Brace> costyn: boooo
[10:58] <HixWork> Brace, I can't connect to it from here
[10:58] <Maxell> root@212.243.83.549 pass: hunter2
[10:58] <costyn> Maxell: classic
[10:58] <Brace> HixWork: ah :|
[10:59] <HixWork> yup
[10:59] <Brace> well if you can't connect to it, can't get at the admin shell/KVM over IP or see some kind of VM host webmin page
[10:59] <Brace> then you're pretty stuffed till you can get to one of the latter two
[10:59] <HixWork> If i get someone at home to employ the 3pin reset technique, how badly would it scre the VM and the hourly on it?
[11:00] <Maxell> \o/ http://www.bash.org/?244321
[11:00] <Brace> HixWork: asumming the hourly is a cron job or similar then the VM should be ok
[11:01] <fsphil> <rant>websites that flash a popup in the middle of the screen asking if the page you where trying to read was useful. not anymore</rant>
[11:02] <HixWork> 3 pin reset it is then
[11:02] <Brace> thing is
[11:02] <HixWork> see how that goes
[11:02] <Brace> you can't be sure that the services that aren't running
[11:02] <Brace> will restart ok
[11:02] <HixWork> there is only the hourly on the VM
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[11:03] <Brace> fair enough
[11:03] <HixWork> and once i can access the server I can putty VM
[11:03] <HixWork> and do top to see what is ok
[11:03] <Brace> fair enough
[11:05] <Maxell> fsphil: fucking hate that
[11:05] <Maxell> website survey?!!! I didn't had the time to look
[11:05] <Maxell> without that shit pooping up
[11:05] <Maxell> lol typo
[11:05] <fsphil> yea, they often pop up when you're not even half way through the first sentence
[11:07] <Maxell> or even before the rest of the site is loaded :P
[11:08] <HixWork> ^^^^heh
[11:09] <fsphil> approaching launch time. wonder if he'll launch early
[11:09] <jcoxon> if anyone can do it its steve
[11:11] <UpuWork> it will pop on the map at 11:29 and launch at 11:30
[11:14] <mattbrejza> anyone gonna test decoding with the new app? although guessing noone has the cable...
[11:16] <Darkside> mattbrejza: make it support usb sound card
[11:16] <Darkside> sound cards
[11:16] <Darkside> like what shenki did with freedv
[11:16] <mattbrejza> heh, might take a bit longer than the time until steves launch
[11:16] <Darkside> yes :P
[11:17] <Darkside> still, would be a good thing to support
[11:17] <mattbrejza> i dont think you need that library any more, android now has support for directly accessing usb
[11:17] <Darkside> i think there were still problems
[11:17] <mattbrejza> still have to write usb souncard drivers
[11:17] <Darkside> as the whole thing was developed on 4.2 or whatever
[11:17] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[11:17] <Darkside> shenki: is the person you want to talk to
[11:17] <Darkside> since he spent a long time workin gon this
[11:18] <mattbrejza> although most tablets should work with the right audio cable?
[11:18] <mattbrejza> expect people with 1st gen kindle fires it seems
[11:18] <Darkside> the problem is different cable requirements
[11:18] <Darkside> different resistors and things needed
[11:19] <mattbrejza> i would have thought (although not tried/tested) that most will work using mic on pins 3/4 and about 1k resistance between them
[11:19] <Darkside> i dont think it works on all
[11:20] <mattbrejza> i should probably put a 'making a cable' page on the wiki too
[11:20] <mattbrejza> rather than letting people try for themselves
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[11:28] <UpuWork> haha you can set your clock by Steve
[11:28] <UpuWork> seriously
[11:28] <UpuWork> payload is on
[11:28] <mattbrejza> i suppose when you arnt gaffa taping hte atenna on last moment its easier to launch on time
[11:28] <fsphil> not on the map
[11:28] <fsphil> you receiving directly?
[11:28] <UpuWork> not got a lock
[11:28] <UpuWork> no log tail
[11:28] <fsphil> ah
[11:29] <eroomde> the log tail effec
[11:29] <eroomde> t
[11:29] <fsphil> premature newline effect
[11:30] <eroomde> an enjaculatio\n
[11:30] <UpuWork> sniggers
[11:31] <UpuWork> must be a Lassen
[11:32] <UpuWork> on the map
[11:33] <eroomde> the geriatrics of gps from a darker, bygone era
[11:33] <mattbrejza> there we go
[11:34] <eroomde> i wonder if there's a hab equivalent of a balrog
[11:35] <fsphil> sharp?
[11:35] <eroomde> i think it needs to be slightly more fearsome and potent
[11:36] <craag> UpuWork: Darn, that error shouldnt be fatal. it should work as soon as the payload gets a lock however.
[11:36] <UpuWork> it does
[11:37] <UpuWork> just reporting it :)
[11:37] <craag> ok, thanks.
[11:41] <chrisg7ogx> mattbreezja yes please on the, "making a cable" idea. for us thickos
[11:41] <Maxell> omg i can see it
[11:41] <Maxell> on the map
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[11:42] <mattbrejza> chrisg7ogx: job for this evening
[11:42] <mattbrejza> you can still track without actually decoding though
[11:42] <mattbrejza> doesnt update quite as instantly as spacenear though
[11:44] <SpeedEvil> eroomde: the CAA?
[11:44] <UpuWork> btw you're all going to be wiped out in a gigantic universal f?ck bang : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21499765
[11:44] <UpuWork> have a nice day
[11:44] <chrisg7ogx> tks
[11:44] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: maybs
[11:45] <fsphil> speak for yourself UpuWork, I'm working on my universe escape plan as we speak
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[11:51] <HixWork> looks like the 3 pin reset just happened ^^
[11:53] <chrisg7ogx> can somebody post the link to the predicted path please?
[11:53] <UpuWork> http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=2e408f2853e542f4341ff29ccc2081a68d7e7bb3
[11:53] <UpuWork> thought live is on
[11:54] <daveake> it is
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[11:57] <chrisg7ogx> cheers upuwork
[11:58] <Maxell> Is the colour of the car purple or blue?
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[12:02] <UpuWork> blue on my screen
[12:03] <Maxell> Yeah, blue here too.
[12:03] <Maxell> But when I hook my laptop on the external monitor all colours look like chernobyl errupted again
[12:04] <Maxell> Yes, I just make a '>@=>18;LAL:0 :0B0AB@>D0 joke.
[12:07] <fsphil> "
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[12:09] <Maxell> Gogogogogogog let that ballooooooon looose
[12:09] <fsphil> think it's nearly time
[12:10] <daveake> Is ISH about 1 hour today?
[12:10] <UpuWork> ISh doesn't normally apply to Steve
[12:10] <daveake> Indeed
[12:10] <UpuWork> however in fairness he probably has a film crew there or something
[12:10] <UpuWork> they bend space time
[12:11] <chrisg7ogx> batc crew?
[12:11] <UpuWork> no
[12:12] <Maxell> woot
[12:12] <Maxell> lol, the chase car is on the roof of that barn
[12:12] <Maxell> ±GPS lock
[12:12] <Maxell> ±Google Maps
[12:13] <chrisg7ogx> are you using satellite map on the tracker page?
[12:14] <chrisg7ogx> i think you are...just in case i was missing a facility
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[12:15] <chrisg7ogx> Captain I an picking up increased energy fields possibly from welsh artillery positions..
[12:16] <Maxell> 37 m high
[12:16] <Maxell> I think it's going
[12:16] <costyn> nope
[12:16] <fsphil> gps noise
[12:16] <Maxell> oh, 19m again :P
[12:16] <daveake> yup
[12:16] <fsphil> it'll be a sharp increase when launched
[12:17] <Maxell> how fast?
[12:17] <Maxell> 5 m/s?
[12:17] <daveake> 5m/s
[12:17] <fsphil> that's the usual target
[12:19] <chrisg7ogx> thar she blows
[12:20] <daveake> that she don't
[12:20] <costyn> any info on what kind of balloon?
[12:20] <Maxell> is it gone?
[12:20] <gonzo_> he will probbal;y walk it out asaw from the buildings first?
[12:20] <chrisg7ogx> nope
[12:21] <gonzo_> away
[12:21] <UpuWork> still on the ground
[12:21] <chrisg7ogx> story of my life..premature
[12:21] <UpuWork> ease back tigers
[12:21] <costyn> what a cute little airport
[12:21] <costyn> for cropdusters perhaps?
[12:22] <chrisg7ogx> harefield airfield
[12:22] <chrisg7ogx> excellent quality picture
[12:22] <Maxell> Its.so.cute!!!!!
[12:22] <Maxell> :P
[12:22] <gonzo_> My 'away' was a typo correction!
[12:22] <costyn> gonzo_: I got that :)
[12:23] <Maxell> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/BUDGIE-WELCOME-TO-HAREFIELD-AIRFIELD-HELICOPTER-CARTOON-ON-POSTCARD-BU10-/00/s/ODQ1WDEyNDc=/$T2eC16RHJIYE9qUcOPgUBQBFzdkMeQ~~60_35.JPG
[12:23] <chrisg7ogx> gonzo just do it your way
[12:23] <gonzo_> I was just about to comment, that the strip of grass looked like a private airstrip
[12:23] <chrisg7ogx> think it is
[12:23] <costyn> Maxell: your link be broke
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[12:23] <Maxell> nah
[12:23] <RocketBoy> launching in about 15min
[12:24] <Maxell> :o
[12:24] <UpuWork> cheers Steve
[12:24] <gonzo_> and now I zoom in I see the plane outside the hanger. Doh!
[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> what are those four rectancles?
[12:24] <chrisg7ogx> rectangles
[12:25] <chrisg7ogx> early attempts at ping pong?
[12:26] <Maxell> ALIENZ? :p
[12:26] <chrisg7ogx> nice gardens there each with a pond
[12:28] <chrisg7ogx> lets hope chuck or lionel don't fly in
[12:28] <Elwell> is there a way to tail the raw position reports?
[12:29] <fsphil> http://habitat.habhub.org/logtail/
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[12:37] <Maxell> ~2mins left?
[12:38] <RocketBoy> :-)
[12:39] <Maxell> I see that dl-fldigi has some sort of GPS device support. How do GPS dongles behave in Linux?
[12:40] <Maxell> Like a serial device that just spits our coords?
[12:40] <fsphil> yep
[12:40] <craag> Maxell: Yep, they usually jsut spew NMEA messages.
[12:40] <fsphil> same as windows basically
[12:41] <chrisg7ogx> earwig o
[12:42] <chrisg7ogx> doh
[12:42] <fsphil> ******?
[12:43] <Maxell> Ah, and dl-fldigi can handle those?
[12:43] <fsphil> yea
[12:44] <Maxell> nice!11
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[12:45] <Maxell> and a _chase it just a phone sending it's location, for fun?
[12:45] <Maxell> or when they exit the car and start going out
[12:46] <fsphil> there's no distinction, but they're plotted on the map with a car icon
[12:46] <chrisg7ogx> with a yagi and receiver to make it respectable
[12:47] <Maxell> aha
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[12:51] <costyn> interesting, chase car in Khazakstan
[12:51] <chrisg7ogx> he'oll never get here in time
[12:52] <UpuWork> interesting as I want to send a balloon there
[12:52] <craag> Someone using it for some cheap car tracking I think.
[12:52] <costyn> likely
[12:53] <costyn> yagshemash yesh I like
[12:53] <Maxell> lol chrisg7ogx
[12:53] <RocketBoy> soon
[12:53] <UpuWork> (TM)
[12:53] <Maxell> :D
[12:53] <Maxell> "
[12:55] <chrisg7ogx> is that red ink biodegradeable then?
[12:58] <Maxell> It better be, or otherwise it will take a long time before plants will grow around there.
[12:59] <RocketBoy> away
[12:59] <chrisg7ogx> away?
[12:59] <gonzo_> movement
[12:59] <chrisg7ogx> bowel?
[13:00] <HixWork> 3.5M^s
[13:00] <HixWork> 3.9
[13:00] <HixWork> upppppp
[13:00] <Maxell> OMGGGGG
[13:00] <Maxell> costyn: ?!?!?!!!!!!
[13:00] <chrisg7ogx> following prediction well
[13:01] <Maxell> Thats scary how well it follows that line
[13:01] <chrisg7ogx> if it turns left now
[13:01] <Maxell> noes
[13:02] <chrisg7ogx> whew that was close
[13:02] <Maxell> it re-calculates? DAMN!!!!
[13:02] <chrisg7ogx> cheating..
[13:02] <chrisg7ogx> freq anyone?
[13:02] <fsphil> aaah launchy
[13:02] <HixWork> chrisg7ogx, 434.250Mhz 650 Shift 50 Baud 7N1
[13:02] <Maxell> It's at 1km already, damn
[13:03] <chrisg7ogx> tks wondering for actual
[13:03] <HixWork> oh sorry
[13:03] <Maxell> HABJOE-BASE
[13:03] <Maxell> is it online?
[13:04] <LazyLeopard> dial 434.247.5
[13:04] <Maxell> It's coming back!
[13:05] <chrisg7ogx> cheers lazy
[13:06] <Maxell> M0LEP
[13:06] <Maxell> already hears it
[13:06] <Maxell> but that blue line is horizon right
[13:07] <LazyLeopard> Yeah. Happens. ;)
[13:07] <Maxell> mind blown
[13:08] <LazyLeopard> It's a theoretical horizon that ignores topography and diffraction.
[13:08] <UpuWork> 434.247.500 shift is @ 700
[13:09] <LazyLeopard> I've got shift at 660-ish
[13:09] <UpuWork> yeah sorry its got closer on my waterfall
[13:10] Nick change: LazyLeopard -> LazyL_M0LEP
[13:11] <Maxell> :p
[13:11] <HixWork> XABEN41 heading for eroomde?
[13:12] <daveake> My first uploaded packets via remote desktop. Boy that was painfully slow.
[13:13] <Maxell> daveake: laggy? what made it hard?
[13:13] <daveake> laaaaaaaggy
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[13:13] Action: Maxell is also setting up a remote desktop tracking station
[13:14] <Maxell> jpeg compression to the max!
[13:14] <Maxell> no moving waterfalls etc
[13:14] <daveake> Mostly the SDR probably
[13:14] <g7ogx> greatsigs on south coast
[13:14] <Maxell> :P
[13:15] <Maxell> Can't wait for fibers. Just stream the rtl_tcp towards laptop/desktop at home :P
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[13:18] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: new HABE blog post - http://t.co/9BRoDJrS (PCBs, Predictor & Plans) #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/303855989214543872]
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[13:18] <g7ogx> just posted on the cluster XABEN1 293° 434.249.4 rtty high altitude balloon shift 686 5Ø 7 N 1 G7OGX 1317
[13:23] <g7ogx> F5APQ IS DOING WELL
[13:23] <UpuWork> he always does
[13:24] <Maxell> also cheating :P
[13:26] <g7ogx> s/n 28 dB here!
[13:27] <NigeyS> 22db here
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[13:29] <g7ogx> condx up there must be perfick
[13:29] <g7ogx> freq update 434.248.200
[13:29] <craag> 50 baud looks so slow..
[13:30] <NigeyS> heh
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[13:32] <fsphil> got the signal, below the horizon
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[13:35] <Maxell> What is the reason for 50 baud?
[13:35] <Maxell> Why not send a lot of messages fast
[13:35] <g7ogx> Jon G8KNN got ur northings wrong
[13:35] <Maxell> one must come trough, right?
[13:36] <daveake> Shame I'm away from home today I could have gone to help Steve recover that
[13:37] <craag> Maxell: It works better over long distances, and there isn't much call for faster updates really.
[13:37] <HixWork> just been to Tesco to get lunch, dunno why, but all the bolognaise and mince ready meals are reduced :)
[13:37] <mattbrejza> skype is not kind to rtty signals :(
[13:37] <NigeyS> lol matt
[13:37] <craag> mattbrejza: Lol no!
[13:37] <craag> Speech coding..
[13:38] <mattbrejza> it doesnt sound too bad but it just wont decode very well at all
[13:38] <eroomde> heading our way
[13:39] <NigeyS> hey ed!
[13:39] <HixWork> thought it looked like it was going near your place eroomde
[13:39] <NigeyS> hows the body clock?
[13:39] <eroomde> hello NigeyS
[13:39] <g7ogx> chase car check traffic annopuncements selected on the radio
[13:39] <craag> mattbrejza: Are you using that to stream from the astra receiver to your tablet?
[13:39] <eroomde> confused
[13:39] <eroomde> i'm a bit tired currently
[13:39] <mattbrejza> craag: yea
[13:39] <NigeyS> lol aww i noticed you up at 3am! lol
[13:39] <eroomde> yes that was annoying
[13:39] <eroomde> been up since then
[13:39] <craag> mattbrejza: http://websdr.thecraag.com:8901/
[13:39] <HixWork> how was breakfast today ed, a let down on previous few weeks :)
[13:39] <NigeyS> oh blimey :(
[13:40] <g7ogx> hixwork please check sell by date.....they were delivered late came in at ten to one
[13:40] <eroomde> HixWork: the bottom scrapings of a jar of peanut butter
[13:41] <HixWork> tasty :) but nutricious
[13:41] <eroomde> this was breakfast several mornings in the west village
[13:41] <eroomde> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ems2akmv60pju5l/2013-01-21%2011.47.58.jpg
[13:41] <Maxell> Signal gone on websdr?
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[13:42] <HixWork> I'm liking the top toght of that pic eroomde
[13:42] <craag> Grrr who changed the centre freq on the websdr!!
[13:42] <eroomde> breakfast of champions
[13:42] <HixWork> not arrording to James Hunt
[13:42] <mattbrejza> craag: :D
[13:43] <HixWork> according
[13:43] <craag> Maxell: back now
[13:43] <Jess--> currently tracking xaben1 from lincolnshire coast with a funcube dongle... impressed
[13:43] <Maxell> someone keeps messing up the mid freq :P
[13:43] <craag> mattbrejza: A login is a WIP.
[13:43] <mattbrejza> much better
[13:43] <Maxell> craag: nice, got a decode! $$XABEN1,556,13:43:03,52.07905,-2.25180,13697*C9BE
[13:43] <g7ogx> Jess yes nice kit
[13:44] <g7ogx> jess wot software u using?
[13:44] <Maxell> craag: is someone already sending the data you catch?
[13:44] <mattbrejza> Recievers: ... MATT-XOOM :D
[13:44] <Jess--> I am already uploading... M0VBR
[13:44] <g7ogx> to display
[13:44] <craag> Maxell: Yep, me, M0DNY. But if you use different dl-fldigi settings then you may got some strings I don't and vice-versa
[13:45] <Maxell> oh, right
[13:45] <Jess--> sdr software hd-sdr looped into dl-fldigi for decode and upload
[13:45] <g7ogx> power sdr/ sdr sharp/hdsdr??
[13:46] <craag> mattbrejza: Got most of the permission to be put up a discone on Zepler with this websdr this summer.
[13:46] <HixWork> CNY over, fabs working on my boards now whoop!!!
[13:46] <mattbrejza> that must have been straight forward...
[13:46] <Jess--> I tried with the ft-897 on the same antenna and couldnt hear a thing but the dongle gets it nice and clear
[13:46] <g7ogx> jess have a look at simon brown's powersdr.com for eye candy
[13:47] <craag> mattbrejza: Harvey tried it a few years ago, bought the kit (discone, ic-r9500 rx) and put in trunking for it from the roof, never got round to wiring it up though. So it's a use of stuff that's already there.
[13:47] <craag> Plus we have Denis on side.
[13:48] <mattbrejza> ah
[13:48] <Jess--> his current powersdr doesn't work with the Pro+ version of the funcube only the beta of the next version, I have tried it and prefer hdsdr
[13:48] <mattbrejza> also youre not putting out 100W and needing someone on a roof whenever you feel like it
[13:48] <craag> And we are using a SOWN pole that's on the roof currently with an unconnected 802.11a antenna.
[13:49] <craag> mattbrejza: No transmit allowed due to 'sensitive' gear in mountbatten, hence the discone.
[13:49] <mattbrejza> http://imgur.com/IbJXzjt
[13:50] <HixWork> A very spaceage lunch, cooked in a microwave and eaten with a Titanium spork
[13:50] <daveake> :)
[13:51] <fsphil> lovely signal from xaben
[13:51] <craag> But yeah, I plan to try to beat ASTRA for low-altitude balloon tracking :)
[13:51] <mattbrejza> mind you the ft817 would probably out perform the sdr?
[13:51] <mattbrejza> or is your antenna higher?
[13:52] <Maxell> craag: nice, doing some uploads :)
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[13:52] <craag> Our antenna will be higher, and if we manually set it up we've got the R9500, although Denis isn't happy with that being plugged in 24/7.
[13:53] <HixWork> Is there a camera on Steve's flight? Great day for imaging
[13:53] <cuddykid> is this what is needed to send rtty from laptop to ft-817? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-070-6-089-MULT-USB-Prog-Cable-for-YAESU-FT-817ND-FT-857D-/320937890631?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones_Communication_Coax_Cables_Connectors&hash=item4ab9639347#shId
[13:54] <fsphil> the fog still hasn't cleared here
[13:54] <mfa298> mattbrejza: nice work on the android app, I have it decoding (using the speaker -> mic method)
[13:54] <mattbrejza> nice mfa298
[13:54] <mattbrejza> i shall put a little 'making a cable' page on the wiki at some point
[13:55] <mattbrejza> im suprised the only person whos crashed it and sent a report so far is craag
[13:55] Action: jonsowman sends crash report
[13:55] <fsphil> car crashes don't count
[13:55] <mfa298> lol, why am I not surprised
[13:56] <jonsowman> hehe
[13:56] <fsphil> decoding this through some qrm
[13:56] <fsphil> it's nice to have a strong signal for once
[13:57] <jonsowman> :)
[13:57] <craag> brb installing android on pi so I can send another crash report..
[13:58] <jonsowman> haha
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[13:59] <mfa298> mattbrejza: should i appear on the map from the app (chasecar reporting is off)
[13:59] <fsphil> interesting that on the gqrx waterfall, the lower frequency is fading but the higher frequency line isn't
[13:59] <g7ogx> name of android app pse?!!!
[13:59] <craag> Maxell: where do you live btw?
[13:59] <mattbrejza> there are two checkboxes, one puts your location on your local map, the other sends your location as chasecar
[13:59] <mattbrejza> g7ogx: HAB modem and tracker
[14:00] <jonsowman> mattbrejza: no option to put your listener location on spacenear?
[14:00] <g7ogx> cheers matt
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[14:00] <mattbrejza> jonsowman: yea thats a bit not working
[14:00] <jonsowman> fair enough
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[14:00] <jonsowman> I guess if people are at home they're unlikely to use the mobile tracker anyway
[14:00] <jonsowman> well, less likely
[14:00] <jonsowman> planned feature though.
[14:00] <jonsowman> ?
[14:00] <mattbrejza> yea thats what i was thinking
[14:01] <jonsowman> makes sense
[14:01] <mfa298> in that case I wont bother trying to get it working (I think it's stuggling with gps lock at the moment)
[14:01] <mattbrejza> its on the github issues as 'sort out'
[14:01] <jonsowman> right
[14:01] <mattbrejza> but havnt decided how i want it to behave so havnt sorted yet
[14:01] <g7ogx> not recognised by play store
[14:01] <mfa298> I might be useful if it can store (or manually enter) a static location
[14:01] <Maxell> craag: The Hague.
[14:01] <mattbrejza> mfa298: itll pop up a notification once it has lock and thinks its sent its location
[14:02] <mattbrejza> if you click both checkboxes a little antenna icon should appear on the map
[14:02] <jonsowman> g7ogx: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5icmVqemEubWF0dC5oYWJtb2RlbSJd
[14:02] <craag> Maxell: Oh ok, I only asked because your location on spacenear is just around the corner from me, but actually that makes sense now.
[14:02] <jonsowman> mattbrejza: did you make the icon?
[14:02] <craag> I realise you were trying to put it roughly where the radio was.
[14:02] <mfa298> I've got the show location one set but as it's indoors I dont think its seeing enough sats
[14:02] <mattbrejza> yep all graphics i made
[14:02] <Jess--> not getting such a good signal from xaben1 now, probably around 40% decode
[14:02] <Maxell> craag: yeah, i'd put it at your location but you could not click yours anaymore
[14:02] <jonsowman> it's actually very good
[14:02] <jonsowman> the icon
[14:03] <jonsowman> I like :D
[14:03] <fsphil> where are you Jess--?
[14:03] <Jess--> Lincolnshire coast, near skegness
[14:03] <fsphil> you should be getting a good signal there
[14:03] <mattbrejza> yea, not sure what danielsaul thinks of my graphics though jonsowman :P
[14:03] <fsphil> what radio and antenna do you have?
[14:03] <fsphil> *should -- could also be obstructions in the way
[14:04] <jonsowman> mattbrejza: don't worry, his standards are too high anyway
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[14:04] <Jess--> funcube dongle Pro+ and sharmans X50... going quiet for a few mins have to make a phone call
[14:05] <Jess--> uploading as M0VBR
[14:05] <fsphil> that should be a fairly good setup
[14:05] <mattbrejza> bbiab
[14:11] <fsphil> first bad decode in ages
[14:12] <fsphil> this is really nice
[14:22] <fsphil> signal got a bit wobbly there
[14:23] <Maxell> NOOOO bad decode: XaBEN1
[14:23] <Maxell> :(
[14:24] <fsphil> I've had a few lately
[14:24] <UpuWork> yeah very wobbly
[14:24] <fsphil> guess it's windy at that altitude
[14:24] <NigeyS> just reduced shift to 650 seems better
[14:24] <gonzo_> only bad one from me has been when swinging the ants alk around the north stop
[14:24] <UpuWork> also ascent rate is very quick
[14:24] <fsphil> I'm at 620hz
[14:24] <Maxell> Damn, fldigi can handle drifting well
[14:25] <UpuWork> fsphil's code I think
[14:25] <gonzo_> open the decode bandwidth out
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[14:25] <g7ogx> YES AND YOU CAN VARY THE afc WIDTH
[14:25] <HixWork> Shhhhh :)
[14:25] <g7ogx> SOrry
[14:26] <fsphil> steady again
[14:26] <fsphil> and good decodes
[14:26] <NigeyS> at 620 now phil
[14:26] <UpuWork> I'm on 620
[14:26] <fsphil> there was a slight change in direction with all that turbulance
[14:26] <fsphil> here it goes again
[14:27] <Maxell> 630 shift
[14:27] <fsphil> no, back again
[14:27] <fsphil> 620hz seems the best fit atm
[14:27] <Maxell> ok
[14:27] <NigeyS> yip
[14:27] <Maxell> yeah, working better now with 620
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[14:40] <Laurenceb> Oscar Pistorius, hasnt got a leg to stand on
[14:42] <HixWork> groan
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[14:42] <fsphil> 35km, sweet
[14:42] <UpuWork> predicted burst was 33k
[14:42] <UpuWork> so its overdue
[14:43] <fsphil> burst
[14:43] <Maxell> Is that good or bad news? :P
[14:43] <UpuWork> yep burst
[14:43] <gonzo_> pop?
[14:43] <fsphil> or not
[14:43] <gonzo_> was a mess on the waterfall. No audio here
[14:43] <Maxell> signal is noisy, so burst?
[14:43] <UpuWork> yep
[14:43] <fsphil> yea burst
[14:44] <staylo> burst?
[14:44] <fsphil> cheeky rocketboy, with his highest altitude line
[14:44] <Maxell> 800 messages
[14:44] <RocketBoy> 1200 hwoyee
[14:44] <HixWork> -59.6 m/s whoaaa
[14:44] <UpuWork> over performing again :)
[14:44] <UpuWork> ok afk
[14:46] <HixWork> that predictor is pretty much saying my friends garden :)
[14:46] <HixWork> http://i.imgur.com/mI1Sb2K.png
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[14:49] <g7ogx> QSB NOW
[14:50] <Maxell> Really hard to decode when falling down :P
[14:50] <g7ogx> chase car please open your rear left window would you?
[14:50] <Maxell> ground plane not on top anymore?
[14:50] <mfa298> seems to have been a fair bit of qsb on the way down. Although I'm surprised at how well the tablet is doing with all the local QRM as well.
[14:51] <g7ogx> still 25dB here
[14:52] <Maxell> shift seems to be gone up a bit.
[14:54] <HixWork> just emailed my mate to keep an eye out for a box falling from near-space under a chute :)
[14:56] <HixWork> oh, 3 fields away now :/
[14:57] <Maxell> time for a sharp corner
[14:57] <g7ogx> how do i change data and stops on app
[14:57] <mfa298> g7ogx: you don't, set the baud right and it should find it
[14:58] <g7ogx> got it! leaning tablet against screen great!
[14:58] <HixWork> I hope it avoids wychwood forest, that is dense
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[15:02] <g7ogx> jump up in frequency
[15:03] <g7ogx> HAB tracker is brills
[15:04] <Maxell> Damn, time to go home :P
[15:04] <Maxell> so have to pack and stop WebSDR'ing
[15:04] <g7ogx> bad luck mate
[15:04] <Maxell> :p
[15:04] <Maxell> it looks like craag is still tracking it
[15:05] <g7ogx> xaben1 coming in to land at airport
[15:06] <g7ogx> don't really need a cable just put next to receiver speaker
[15:07] <mfa298> g7ogx: I'm surprised at how well thats working especially with all the other noise going on around here
[15:07] <mfa298> I think there are a few packets the laptop has picked up that the tablet hasn't but not that many
[15:07] <craag> Maxell: I went out for an hour, and it's still sat here decoding :)
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[15:09] <g7ogx> AFC a bit slow
[15:09] <g7ogx> shift gone out beyond 50 and can't get it back
[15:10] <g7ogx> back now
[15:12] <fsphil> that's a big forrest
[15:12] <fsphil> forest*
[15:13] <fsphil> or copse. not a word I hear very often
[15:13] <mfa298> sssh fsphil I think the baloon heard you
[15:13] <fsphil> yea!
[15:13] <fsphil> turn away
[15:13] <g7ogx> or a dell
[15:14] <g7ogx> clipping detected
[15:14] <mfa298> its had some interesting diections over that copse
[15:15] <HixWork> whychwood forest, that place is dark at night, I've tried to walk back from a pub through there, it didn't go too well.
[15:15] <fsphil> which wood?
[15:16] <fsphil> ah, heading out of it now
[15:16] <craag> gone for me.
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[15:16] <mfa298> craag: you opbviously need a better location :p
[15:16] <fsphil> no sign of any power lines
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[15:17] <g7ogx> leafield looks good
[15:17] <fsphil> and back in again
[15:17] <mfa298> XABEN really seems to like that area
[15:17] <craag> mfa298: Yes I do! Well when this websdr is on zepler it'll get a lot better!
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[15:17] <HixWork> unless it comes down on Caterham F1, then it's going to be a recovery ordeal, especially if it has a camera :)
[15:18] <mfa298> I can see some competition between you and astra when that happens :p
[15:18] <mattbrejza> astra still has it though craag, oc your house probably isnt as high as the antenna will be
[15:18] <g7ogx> competition is good Mr Cameron said so
[15:19] <HixWork> ahh, no too far away,
[15:19] <mattbrejza> you gonna build a decoder into the website?
[15:19] <mattbrejza> for astra you have to remote desktop which can be annoying
[15:20] <craag> mattbrejza: My house is way down the hill, hence the mediocre performance today.
[15:20] <craag> The idea is to use that websdr interface, so for hab tracking you'll have to pipe the audio into dl-fldigi.
[15:21] <craag> But it also works for listening to Repeaters, PSK31 on 20m, etc..
[15:21] <g7ogx> #944 was my last green
[15:22] <HixWork> looks like it's gonna clear wychwood
[15:22] <g7ogx> is that window open?
[15:22] <mattbrejza> craag: to what extent did you modify the java on that page? my rtty decoder is also java...
[15:22] <mattbrejza> although you wouldnt really want it running client side
[15:22] <gonzo_> steve should see it come down
[15:23] <g7ogx> nice
[15:23] <HixWork> looks like it's homing in on the road
[15:23] <craag> mattbrejza: None at all, it's not my software, the author sent me an executable binary. The only bit I've done is putting in the Funcube-control interface at th top and writing a python HTTP daemon that wrappers the fcdcontrol library.
[15:24] <g7ogx> no audio now
[15:24] <HixWork> nooo turn away from the tree
[15:24] <craag> But we can always split the antenna to multiple receivers at once, so maybe we'll have a dedicated HAB radio+decoder one day.
[15:25] <mattbrejza> ah
[15:26] <g7ogx> should be some nice pix what a great flight
[15:26] <gonzo_> this is painfull to watch
[15:26] <g7ogx> tease
[15:26] <HixWork> skirting around trees
[15:26] <fsphil> oh man, that looks like an ideal spot
[15:26] <mfa298> I'd guess thats down
[15:26] <HixWork> down surely
[15:26] <g7ogx> landing gear down
[15:26] <Jess--> tracked Xaben1 down to 2736m from lincolnshire coast
[15:26] <HixWork> phew, escaped
[15:26] <fsphil> short walk from the road, and missed the trees
[15:26] <HixWork> nide!!!
[15:26] <HixWork> nice
[15:27] <HixWork> knights who say nide
[15:27] <g7ogx> get orf my land!
[15:27] <Maxell> Thats a lucky shot!
[15:27] <Maxell> :o
[15:27] <HixWork> goot name for a SSID GetOrfMyLAN
[15:28] <gonzo_> congrats RocketBoy
[15:28] <g7ogx> lol
[15:28] <g7ogx> really enjoyed that
[15:28] <fsphil> even a nice place to park
[15:28] <fsphil> but that hedge looks annoying on streeview
[15:29] <fsphil> looks like it moved a bit
[15:29] <fsphil> no, just noise
[15:29] <HixWork> noise
[15:29] <HixWork> ^^
[15:30] <g7ogx> wheres the mic on a Nexus tablet please?
[15:30] <fsphil> now it moved
[15:30] <HixWork> retrieved
[15:31] <fsphil> haha
[15:31] <Maxell> click click: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Blindwell+Wood,+Witney,+Oxfordshire+OX29,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=51.838058,-1.520598&spn=0.007398,0.021136&sll=51.992171,4.494086&sspn=0.943741,2.705383&geocode=FQDjFgMdv8Xo_w&hnear=Blindwell+Wood&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.838092,-1.520434&panoid=Lt3k0bKMpSqkZzcfm4--BA&cbp=12,109.09,,0,1.64
[15:31] <g7ogx> tracking software worked well even with noisy poer supply fan and briefings form wife!
[15:32] <mattbrejza> the app g7ogx ?
[15:32] <g7ogx> yes also cover on tablet
[15:32] <mfa298> g7ogx: I had it working with the window open and a busy road outside.
[15:32] <mattbrejza> good to head :D
[15:32] <mattbrejza> hear*
[15:32] <g7ogx> settings seem just about right
[15:32] <mfa298> I think the laptop got a few more strings but not many
[15:32] <HixWork> back at the car already, nice work RocketBoy
[15:33] <g7ogx> only prob i had was using my finger to move tracking bars!
[15:33] <mattbrejza> yea its automatic...
[15:34] <fsphil> payload back in the field :)
[15:34] <g7ogx> used to using droid navtex which is touch sensitive so threw me
[15:36] <mattbrejza> hmm everyone else seems to charge for their decoders
[15:37] <mattbrejza> but using hte mic input seems to be the common way to get audio in at least
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[15:39] <g7ogx> carefull you don't get a high speed numpty coming around that bend
[15:39] <mattbrejza> i would assume the gps is displaying a few meters too south
[15:40] <g7ogx> spect they're in that layby
[15:41] <g7ogx> interesting tumuli to the south west
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[15:43] <g7ogx> not at keyboard
[15:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only just got in so didn't get a chance track it but an image of the path anyway! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/XABEN1/XABEN1_Flight_path.jpg
[15:45] <g7ogx> geoff great signals and nice landing near forrest
[15:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Comments! Been out to pickup the campervan from its service so gave it a run as well ... life.
[15:47] <staylo> Hi Jim,
[15:47] <staylo> Karl reminded me to sent the particulars of the Reading remote access point, which are:
[15:47] <staylo> The MAC address of the device is 00:23:69:CD:CF:E2
[15:47] <staylo> The remote access point fetches connection details using DHCP by default, but if preferred we can configure it manually for the network remotely (using the current 3G connection).
[15:47] <staylo> The remote access point establishes and maintains outbound TCP connections to 78.32.80.33 port 443 and 109.109.255.210 port 22. These are encrypted SSH sessions (SSH has equivalent security to OpenVPN) through which all our communications to the equipment on our small site network are tunnelled. Unless we're actively monitoring equipment the only traffic is a 10 minute keepalive to prevent the intermediate network equipment dropping the TCP sessio
[15:48] <staylo> There's no need for any inbound port mappings nor for the device to be able to access any of the rest of the network.
[15:48] <staylo> Devices on our internal site network are completely isolated from your network by the remote access point (there's no routing or bridging between the WAN and LAN interfaces of the remote access point).
[15:48] <staylo> Attached PDF says much of the same but with pretty pictures!
[15:48] <staylo> Give me a call if you want to discuss this, 07920526943
[15:48] <staylo> Thanks,
[15:48] <staylo> Bollocks
[15:48] <staylo> Sorry gents
[15:48] <staylo> Putty's right click behaviour got me again
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[15:48] <UpuWork> recoveredd ?
[15:48] <mattbrejza> yep
[15:48] <UpuWork> nice
[15:48] <UpuWork> thats alot of trees it managed to miss
[15:49] <mattbrejza> we watched it being walked back to the car
[15:49] <RocketBoy> yea -got it back
[15:49] <RocketBoy> and saw it land
[15:50] <UpuWork> cool
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[15:53] <daveake> nice
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[15:56] <HixWork> Rocketboy, I'd be really interested to hear if you had a camera onboard?
[15:59] <RocketBoy> yep - gopro
[16:00] <HixWork> Cool, it landed right near a friends house, would it be possible to get a couple of still from you at some point? or was it a commercial flight
[16:01] <RocketBoy> it was commercial - but it will be out in a few weeks
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[16:02] <HixWork> ok, cool. Nice flight, should be some great imagery if the vis is like it ise here
[16:04] <Willdude123> How much do companies normally pay to stick their logo on a HAB?
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[16:07] <Willdude123> Who flew XABEN1?
[16:07] <fsphil> RocketBoy did
[16:08] <g7ogx> and great it was
[16:08] <Willdude123> Cool. Does he operate the nearby receiver also.
[16:08] <Willdude123> *?
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[16:13] <UpuWork> it was the car Willdude123 the reciever location updates with its position
[16:13] <arko> Morning
[16:13] <UpuWork> hi Arko
[16:13] <fsphil> howdy
[16:13] <HixWork> Willdude123, the reciever is in the chase car
[16:13] <arko> Upu how was the flight?
[16:14] <arko> My scrollback is messed up
[16:14] <costyn> arko: the logs are online as well
[16:14] <HixWork> it avoided lots of trees arko
[16:14] <costyn> arko: http://habhub.org/zeusbot/
[16:14] <UpuWork> I believe it went well
[16:14] <UpuWork> recovered
[16:14] <arko> Ah! I keep forgetting th0at
[16:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only just got in so didn't get a chance track it but an image of the path anyway! http://360.g8dhe.net/HAB_Flights/XABEN1/XABEN1_Flight_path.jpg
[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ooops
[16:16] <arko> Wow very cool
[16:17] <F6AGV> congratulations Steve and to your team : http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2013/02/ballon-uk-xaben-41-vol-du-19-fevrier.html
[16:18] <F6AGV> http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2013/02/ballon-uk-xaben-41-vol-du-19-fevrier.html
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[16:20] <UpuWork> arko check F6AGV's site for launch reports
[16:20] <UpuWork> Google translate works, apart from it translates balloons as balls which is amusing when it goes on about big balloons
[16:20] <arko> Lol
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[16:21] <HixWork> cameras mounted under big balls
[16:21] <HixWork> being tracked
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[16:23] <arko> Haha
[16:24] <arko> I just realized my hab is 1 month away from flight
[16:24] <arko> Yikes
[16:25] <arko> Need to watch my spending so i can afford the helium
[16:36] <HixWork> loving the logic of this company, I can install and use IRC but DX.com is blocked....
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[16:36] <HixWork> whilst I remember, what do you guys use to log data when testing batteries, current load etc for payload testing?
[16:37] <HixWork> looking for an inexpensive solution
[16:37] <Randomskk> desktop computer
[16:37] <Randomskk> not inexpensive but likely to exist :P
[16:37] <F6AGV> Translation is OK now : http://alerte-radiosondes.blogspot.fr/2013/02/ballon-uk-xaben-41-vol-du-19-fevrier.html
[16:37] <HixWork> :)
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[16:38] <F6AGV> good evening all, best regards
[16:38] <nigelvh> HixWork, are you looking for a device to actually do the battery tests, or are you looking for logging data?
[16:38] <HixWork> bonsoiree Alain
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[16:39] <HixWork> nigelvh, looking to log tests
[16:39] <nigelvh> Generally I just use a text file
[16:39] <HixWork> say payload in fridge trying to get a lock
[16:39] <nigelvh> I tend to be able to recieve the radio from inside the fridge.
[16:39] <HixWork> I'm trying to work out say how to record the voltage over time
[16:40] <mattbrejza> often payloads measure their own battery voltage
[16:40] <HixWork> from before the reg?
[16:40] <nigelvh> Yep
[16:40] <nigelvh> Voltage divider
[16:40] <HixWork> oh, ok.
[16:41] <HixWork> bugger then, boards are being made now :)
[16:41] <HixWork> :D
[16:41] <nigelvh> Tack it on, we all do it
[16:43] <HixWork> would a divider not increase the drain though? or is that negligable
[16:43] <Randomskk> negligable
[16:43] <Randomskk> assuming high resistance divider
[16:43] <nigelvh> Technically yes, but if you choose the resistors right, it's a small amount
[16:43] <Randomskk> obviously if you make it with like two ten ohms resistors..
[16:44] <HixWork> ok cool :D 47K ok
[16:44] <nigelvh> That'd be fine.
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[16:45] <HixWork> Nicely
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[16:58] <HixWork> Can putty send serial commands or just recieve?
[16:58] <mfa298> HixWork: it works as a fully functional serial terminal (send and recieve)
[16:59] <mfa298> if it's not sending chances are you've got a setting bad (probably flow control)
[16:59] <HixWork> got an sms board but only usb-serial cable with me so was going to test AT trickery this eve
[16:59] <HixWork> xon/xoff
[16:59] <HixWork> ?
[17:00] <mfa298> depeds on what the other device supports.
[17:00] <mfa298> setting flow control to none will probably work but means the other device has no control if it can't handle all the data your sending it.
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[17:03] <HixWork> it's getting routed through a max232 and i'm only going to be sending simple AT commands
[17:03] <HixWork> just to see if it works ok
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[17:27] <jcoxon> long journey home for RocketBoy
[17:28] <NigeyS> yup :/
[17:28] <NigeyS> how's you james ?
[17:28] <number10> at least the landing was towards the direction of home
[17:30] <NigeyS> true
[17:30] <jcoxon> NigeyS, not bad thanks
[17:31] <jcoxon> disappointed the weather ain't going to be good this weekend
[17:31] <NigeyS> yeah it's looking a bit grim isn't it :(
[17:32] <NigeyS> winds going the wrong way to do the relay attempt to :(
[17:32] <jcoxon> bbiab
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[17:42] Action: LazyL_M0LEP only just took a look at the satellite view of XABEN's landing. It did rather dance around the trees, didn't it ;)
[17:42] Nick change: LazyL_M0LEP -> LazyLeopard
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[17:43] <LazyLeopard> The way it wiggled you'd be forgiven for thinking that it was wondering which tree to land in. ;)
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[17:44] <LazyLeopard> Easy recovery?
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[18:01] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:01] <chrisstubbs> evening
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[18:10] <chrisstubbs> My new iron came today Hix :)
[18:11] <Hix> ahh cool, how is it?
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[18:11] <Hix> pretty good service them guys
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[18:12] <chrisstubbs> just tidying up the desk to make room for it to sit somewhere then i will give it a try
[18:12] <Lunar_Lander> sounds good
[18:12] <Hix> :D
[18:14] <chrisstubbs> ive never been impressed with the quality of my cheap Rapid solder braid, but if you coat it in flux it works perfectly
[18:18] <chrisstubbs> im off for food, will try the iron in a bit :)(
[18:18] <Hix> hmm good thinking
[18:19] <Hix> anyone offer advice on connecting serial with putty? set com port and 9600 with all options of flow control but am getting a blank screen on all connnects
[18:20] <mfa298> is 9600 the right speed for your device?
[18:20] <Hix> yup
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[18:20] <mfa298> and presumably you specified the right com port
[18:20] <Hix> yup COM2 from device manager
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[18:22] <mfa298> is that a proper built in com port or a usb one ?
[18:22] <Hix> prolific usb to serial
[18:22] <Hix> reads ublox
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[18:23] <mfa298> ok
[18:23] <mfa298> com2 just seemed quite low for a usb one, but then I've plugged so many different things into different usb ports I've got into high numbers
[18:24] <Hix> got a feeling its a restart issue brb
[18:24] <mfa298> have you tried it with a ublox and putty ? (i.e. test something you know works)
[18:24] <Hix> yup, though only ever recived with ublox
[18:24] <Hix> never allowed sending
[18:24] <Hix> it was just a window with data streaming in
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[18:25] <Hix> right reboot - see you soon
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[18:37] <NigeyS> Nasa ground controllers have lost contact with the International Space Station because of a computer problem.
[18:37] <NigeyS> woops
[18:38] <Hix> reboot iss :)
[18:38] <russss> it's back now actually
[18:38] <NigeyS> yey
[18:38] <russss> they were upgrading the flight computers
[18:38] <Hix> windows service pack update to ISS :)
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[18:39] <NigeyS> lol
[18:39] <russss> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition34/e34_021913.html
[18:39] <russss> that's what they had to say
[18:40] <NigeyS> ah nothing to major then
[18:40] <russss> nah they just lost TDRSS
[18:40] <russss> I guess you kind of take having a 50 megabit connection for granted after a while
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[18:41] <NigeyS> heh yip
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[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh
[18:55] <Lunar_Lander> and NigeyS
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[19:00] <nigelvh> Howdy
[19:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> evening all
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[19:04] <chrisstubbs> Hix any luck with COM?
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
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[19:16] <chrisstubbs> Can anyone reccomend some decent helping hands that dont just fall apart and flop over?
[19:16] <chrisstubbs> On a budget is nice too :)
[19:17] <fsphil> I hear Laurenceb is a pretty good helper, but can't lift anything too heavy
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[19:24] <Lunar_Lander> XD!
[19:27] <chrisstubbs> Aha
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[19:37] <Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21512322
[19:37] <Laurenceb_> boring
[19:37] <Laurenceb_> i thought it'd blown up
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[19:39] <OZ1SKY_Brian> so i gess they are using the russian vhf on 143.625 then
[19:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> i gess not:
[19:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> NASA_Johnson profile
[19:41] <OZ1SKY_Brian> NASA_Johnson Communications have been restored with the space station effective 11:34AM Central.
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[19:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> http://www.nasa.gov/mp3/728474main__02-19-13_EXP34_CMDR-Ford_reports-ISS-status-after-COMM-loss.mp3
[19:44] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh and they do have there hamradio, so plenty of backup :-)
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[19:45] <Morseman> Hi all
[19:45] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[19:46] <Jess--> daveake are you around by any chance?
[19:46] <daveake> yup
[19:47] <Jess--> do you happen to have the wiring diagram you used on the tracker with the arduino mini?
[19:48] <Jess--> this one --> http://www.daveakerman.com/?p=277
[19:48] <daveake> It's in a photo on that page :)
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[19:50] <Jess--> I was wondering about the link wires on the rf22
[19:51] <daveake> See http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:rfm22b
[19:52] <daveake> GPIO0 ’ TX_ANT
[19:52] <daveake> GPIO1 ’ RX_ANT
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[19:53] <daveake> The rfm has antenna switches for rx and tx, and without those wires you won't get much signal strength :)
[19:54] <Jess--> Cheers for the pointers Dave, new to hab (1st track was xaben1 today) am in the process of trying to build one up with a couple of other local hams to do a pico balloon later this year
[19:55] <Jess--> plan is to add a modified 808 camera with a spare gpio flipping the still camera button
[19:56] <daveake> 808s have a reputation for being GPS killers
[19:56] <costyn> shield early, shield often
[19:56] <craag> Only some models, but do check before you fly!
[19:56] <daveake> So you might need to shield it and/or keep it away from the GPS
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[19:57] <daveake> I did fly an 808 once, with processor control of both buttons
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[19:59] <craag> Jess--: You'll be the first successful pico flight with a camera as far as I know.
[19:59] <jcoxon> has anyone noticed that hte funcube needs to warm up
[19:59] <jcoxon> as in signals drift for a while
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[20:00] <craag> jcoxon: Not the Pro Plus, but the Pro and rtlsdr, yes.
[20:02] <craag> rtlsdr will also drift away and back again if you blow on it :P
[20:05] <Upu> evening
[20:05] <jcoxon> i'm using my funcube more and more
[20:05] <jcoxon> now that i have a powerful computer
[20:07] <Upu> Well I ran the Yagi via a splitter into FCD and 817 today
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[20:07] <Upu> and the FCD is almost as good as the 817 now
[20:07] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/L7I84ZE.jpg
[20:07] <Upu> btw the splitters are going cheap here :
[20:07] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Circuits-ZFSC-2-4-Co-ax-Power-Splitter-Combiner-200MHz-to-1GHz-/360592787215?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item53f501470f
[20:08] <Upu> its not just a T-Piece :)
[20:09] <daveake> I see they've sold 2 now :)
[20:09] <Jess--> on phone back soon
[20:11] <craag> jcoxon: Do you have the original funcube dongle, or the plus?
[20:11] <Upu> indeed can't think who too :)
[20:11] <OZ1SKY_Brian> is that red coax going to moscow? :-)
[20:12] <Upu> I have the original FCD craag
[20:12] <Upu> just the Yagi OZ1SKY_Brian :)
[20:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ok :-)
[20:12] <Upu> Richard is working btw
[20:12] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh great!
[20:12] <Upu> wrong TinyGPS version
[20:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ahh ok, but good he got it going
[20:13] <Upu> yep
[20:13] <craag> Upu: What software do you use with the funcube?
[20:13] <Upu> SDRSharp
[20:14] <craag> That's what I've been using, but it crashes occasionally with the pro plus.
[20:14] <jcoxon> craag, i've got a FCD Pro V1.1
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> hi Upu
[20:14] <craag> ah ok
[20:14] <Upu> evening Lunar
[20:14] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today?
[20:14] <Morseman> That's a lot of connectors and adapters UPUs
[20:15] <jcoxon> craag, on Mac OS X using SDRDX 2.12d with soundflower and the dl-fldigi
[20:15] <Upu> yep Morseman
[20:15] <Upu> but it works
[20:15] <craag> jcoxon: Ok, thanks. I just wondered if anyone else with the pro plus had been having issues with sdrsharp.
[20:16] <Morseman> couldn't delete the extra 's' on the phone input!
[20:16] <Upu> send me a ProPlus I'll test it for you
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[20:16] <Upu> ok craag http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yaesu-Rotator-/150996960110?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item23281ec36e
[20:16] <craag> hehe, it's barely been unplugged since I got it I'm afraid.
[20:16] <craag> Upu: Lol nice.
[20:17] <craag> Just need to persuade my landlord first!
[20:17] <craag> Oh I didn't notice it's an az/el!
[20:17] <PaulCDR> hey eroomde, cheers for the tips the other night on the carrier shift, problem was with setting the radio pin as an output, school boy error there
[20:18] <chrisstubbs> 4x tweezer set for £1.35 delivered. Well done Babz Media.
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[20:21] <jcoxon> hey Upu
[20:21] <jcoxon> i'm going to work on a watchdog
[20:21] <Upu> ok that would be good
[20:21] <Upu> I'm going to have a go at these geofences
[20:21] <Morseman> Leaving the pub in South Shields where had dinner - may log in on PC at hotel...
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[20:28] <Lunar_Lander> a general question: what is a good flight train lenghth?
[20:29] <jcoxon> the longer the better
[20:29] <domlin> evening
[20:29] <Lunar_Lander> 20 m?
[20:29] <daveake> I normally go for balloon --> 10m --> chute --> 20m --> payload
[20:30] <daveake> Last flight was half that as it was too damn windy
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[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:30] <Lunar_Lander> as flight safety asked for that
[20:30] <jcoxon> the longer the more stable
[20:31] <daveake> Longest I did was 3 payloads and 60 metres :p
[20:31] <daveake> That was a sight
[20:31] <Upu> ah yes but the person who reeled out the string didn't know what 10 meters was in that situation
[20:31] <daveake> indeed :)
[20:32] <daveake> I watched the launch video for that yesterday, as it happens, and there's a bit where I'm stepping the balloon up and I question your measurements :)
[20:33] <Lunar_Lander> yea
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[20:33] <daveake> LL So what dates have you given them?
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[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> none yet as that parameter was still missing
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> I was asking for the 5th to 8th of march
[20:36] <Lunar_Lander> at least in the saved e-mail
[20:36] <daveake> good stuff
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> finally
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:37] <daveake> FINALLY :)
[20:37] <Upu> wait up
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> just have to think about the rigging
[20:37] <fsphil> whoa
[20:37] <Upu> sorry I'm confused
[20:37] <Upu> did lunar say he's got a launch date ?
[20:38] <Upu> Where is Lunar_Lander and what have you done with him?!
[20:38] <daveake> lol
[20:38] <daveake> Yes, is this the fake one?
[20:38] <Upu> omg they killed Lunar!
[20:38] <Upu> serious face
[20:38] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:sealing_the_balloon
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> no the fake one didn't have the _ I think
[20:38] <Upu> read that Lunar
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> yea I read it some time ago already
[20:39] <Lunar_Lander> seems to be simple
[20:39] <Upu> practice a few knots
[20:39] <daveake> tape up the knots after
[20:39] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:knots
[20:39] <Upu> the Alpine Butterfly is particularly useful
[20:40] <Hix> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - putty serial no talk to GSM
[20:40] <chrisstubbs> His have you got the serial working with teh TX and RX shorted together?
[20:40] <Hix> ooh alpine butterfly, also good for fixing someone into the middle of a rope crossing crevasses :)
[20:40] <chrisstubbs> should chuck back whatever you type on putty
[20:41] <Hix> i'll try
[20:41] <Hix> ta
[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> also we have to think about how to attach the payload to the chute
[20:41] <fsphil> I'll have to make sure to play Duke 4 before Lunar launches
[20:41] <Hix> Lunar_Lander: are you going to have $$Keegan?
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[20:42] <chrisstubbs> thats how i test my awful ebay USB-TTL chips when nothing is working.You can often just put a jumper from an old HDD accross the TX and RX pins.
[20:42] <Lunar_Lander> no $$OERNEN-II
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[20:43] <fsphil> what happened OERNEN-I?
[20:43] Action: Hix is disappointed with Lunar_Lander
[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> ah wait
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[20:43] <Lunar_Lander> Hix, don't be, I was named after him
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[20:43] <Hix> exactly :)
[20:44] <Hix> how about $$Mullet then :)
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[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._A._Andr%C3%A9e%27s_Arctic_Balloon_Expedition_of_1897 fsphil
[20:44] <Lunar_Lander> Hix, xD
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[20:46] <number10> Lunar_Lander: its a good idea to practice your tracking skills before you launch
[20:46] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:47] <Lunar_Lander> but how
[20:47] <number10> remember to bring your radio from the uni lab is a good idea
[20:47] <Hix> bugger all from shorting TXRX
[20:48] <Hix> batteries too - many of them Lunar_Lander
[20:48] <number10> than practice when some oneelse launches
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> Hix that would indicate a buggered serial/ttl board to me
[20:49] <chrisstubbs> Can you put it on a scope?
[20:49] <Hix> I'm thinking of putting it on a fire :)
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> number10, it is there
[20:50] <Hix> its started returning a blank line now - #progress :/
[20:50] <Lunar_Lander> the launch will be from the institute
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> Hix, and I got enough ultimate lithiums :)
[20:51] <Hix> for the RX? Lunar_Lander
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> yes
[20:51] <chrisstubbs> Hix oooo progress, With some of the cheap boards i found the RX and TX arent the way round you would expect them to be
[20:51] <Hix> alles gut
[20:51] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[20:51] <Hix> nope it works with uBlox
[20:52] <Hix> not with GSM or short
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[20:54] <chrisstubbs> looks like its the transmit side thats had it
[20:54] <chrisstubbs> what board are you using?
[20:54] <Hix> prolific usb-serial
[20:55] <Hix> though i bought 3 of em
[20:55] <Hix> dunno where other 2 are.
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> Yeah power in numbers, i have a few now so i can always find one
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[20:56] <Hix> and I have a prolific usb to proper serial port lead at home, I'll try that
[20:56] <Hix> though i was trying to skirt around the MAX232 on the board as I won't have one
[20:57] <Hix> so just linking to TX0 RX0 on the module
[20:57] <Hix> 3 lines no typo!!!
[20:57] <Hix> wow
[20:57] <Hix> oops no won't - don't
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> the tx/rx loopback should have worked if the device/software is functioning correctly, but im no expert
[20:59] <chrisstubbs> tried hyperterminal or arduino serialmonitor?
[20:59] <Hix> I'm thinking it's a putty setup thing, don't have hyperteminal so can't verify
[21:00] <Hix> don't have arduino here
[21:01] <Hix> it's been a good day - server no longer wants to talk to the outside world and serial is going down the drain
[21:01] <Hix> maybe curry will make things good
[21:01] <fsphil> my second laptop just came back from the dead
[21:01] Action: fsphil is stealing your karma. muhahaha
[21:02] <griffonbot> @adamcudworth: new in HABHUB v1.1: balloon now moves in real-time, no more UI lag when processing large quantities of dl'd data, bug fixes #ukhas [http://twitter.com/adamcudworth/status/303972761339060224]
[21:02] <Hix> did it walk back in with fresh brains fsphil
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> Sometimes we just need a fresh look on things
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> got my line of sight graphper PHP script working in a few mins last night, just named one of the varibles wrong
[21:03] <Hix> lamb madras, saag aloo, mushroom rice, keema naan - hows that for a fresh look on it :)
[21:03] <cuddykid> I often find taking a break and going back to code helps hugely
[21:03] <cuddykid> sounds lovely Hix!
[21:03] <fsphil> or letting someone else do it
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> Mmmmm curry
[21:03] <Hix> better than a fruitless talk with putty
[21:03] <Hix> curry good
[21:04] <Hix> oooh veg side curry tooo, missed that
[21:04] <chrisstubbs> If anyone can think of a use for this, or any modifications, let me know :) http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/extras/maps/losgraph/
[21:05] <fsphil> you can't spoil curry with vegitables
[21:05] <Hix> shit, curry made me forget something important i needed to do now...
[21:05] <fsphil> breath
[21:06] <Hix> in or out
[21:06] <fsphil> alternating
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> what is a good way to connect the payload to the chute lines?
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> I got a spherachutes chute
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> and the ropes form like four loops
[21:06] <Hix> tie it ;p
[21:06] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:06] <NigeyS> gaffa tape :p
[21:06] <Hix> gaffer make all thing good
[21:07] <fsphil> don't put the chute near the payload
[21:07] <Hix> ahh - memeory 1.0.1 reinstalled
[21:07] <fsphil> ok my undead-laptop won't connect to wifi
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> what else was there
[21:08] <Lunar_Lander> ah rigging the cutdown line
[21:08] <fsphil> put two loops of cord around your payload box
[21:08] <chrisstubbs> fsphil time to reinstall the OS then
[21:08] <fsphil> tie into knot above the payload, and tie that to a long cord
[21:09] <fsphil> you can either tie the other end to the balloon, and hang the chute of that
[21:09] <fsphil> or put the chute inline
[21:09] <fsphil> probably better inline
[21:09] <domlin> fsphil: why no put chute near payload?
[21:09] <fsphil> it might get tangled
[21:09] <fsphil> things will flap about quite a bit after burst
[21:10] <domlin> oh i see:P
[21:10] <daveake> My first flight I got wrong like that. The balloon twisted round the chute and payload about 130 times, rendering the parachute minimally effective
[21:10] <fsphil> non-optimal
[21:10] <daveake> Landing speed was a tad high
[21:11] <daveake> 26mph IIRC
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> Erm, did i make a bad parachute purchase choice?: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brookite-Air-Bear-Kite-Parachute/dp/B000H5V4AI
[21:11] <Hix> is there an accepted optimal length between payload and chute? apart from fsphil's round 10m mark
[21:11] <fsphil> worth it for the bear
[21:11] <chrisstubbs> it was very cheap on eBay when i started out HAB reaserch like 2 years ago
[21:11] <domlin> please put the payload inside the bear
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> oh dammit i want to
[21:12] <daveake> Done that :)
[21:12] <fsphil> haha
[21:12] Action: fsphil is gonna put one inside a Koala
[21:12] <fsphil> Drop Bear
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> :O thats not a bad idea
[21:12] <chrisstubbs> just need to make sure it dosent go over the weight limit
[21:13] <Hix> oh I had a brookite delta when i was a kid
[21:13] <daveake> http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/P1050255-e1346706973945-682x1024.jpg <-- some random Aussie holding it
[21:13] <chrisstubbs> on a serious note, I just hope it wont rupture/tangle too much
[21:13] <Hix> about the only kite tht ever flew properly
[21:13] <domlin> fill the bear with talcum powder and see what people's reaction is if it lands in their gardon
[21:13] <daveake> Trying that flight again soon
[21:13] Action: fsphil seriously needs an IRC client that can handle long urls
[21:13] <domlin> garden*
[21:13] <domlin> my english kinda fell apart there
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[21:14] <fsphil> there we go
[21:14] <daveake> fsphil try http://tinyurl.com/bb7gfhe
[21:14] <fsphil> Mark has really long arms
[21:14] <Hix> didn't that guy holding the bear come second to UK in the summer alt olympics ;p
[21:15] <fsphil> lol
[21:15] <fsphil> he probably hasn't seen a sky with that much cloud since
[21:16] <domlin> anyone ever sent up raw chicken with a payload?
[21:16] <Hix> a cock up
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, yeah I always thought of an inline chute anyway
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> but the cutdown line is the difficult thing
[21:17] <fsphil> I've been considering a second line Lunar_Lander
[21:17] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:17] <fsphil> or at least, one line but looped at the ballon side back down to the payload
[21:17] <fsphil> cut one side to release it
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> one idea was the following
[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> the parachute is connected to the payload
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[21:18] <Lunar_Lander> and a ring is at the top of the chute and at the end of the balloon line is another ring
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> then one rope runs through the rings and to the payload
[21:19] <Lunar_Lander> when that rope is cut, it pulls through the rings and separates the system
[21:20] <Hix> time to go time, g'night gents
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> Night Hix, not used the iron yet but powered it on and it heats up QUICK!
[21:21] <fsphil> trying to visualise that Lunar_Lander
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[21:22] <fsphil> what holds the chute up?
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> OK let's try to explain
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> the balloon is at the top
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> then there is a cord running down with a ring at the end
[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> then there is the ring from the parachute, the parachute itself and the payload at the bottom
[21:24] <fsphil> right
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> and then there is one more line looping from the payload through the rings, so the rings are joined by that cord
[21:24] <fsphil> it would be hanging from the balloon ring, but I'm not sure what's holding the chute up
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[21:24] <fsphil> wouldn't it just slide down?
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> let me think
[21:26] <daveake> There's a much simpler way
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[21:29] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re : [UKHAS] Launch Announcement - XABEN41 - Tuesday 18th February - Worcestershire"
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[21:30] <SP9UOB_Tom> evening all
[21:31] <daveake> Payload --> permanent line --> bottom of chute
[21:31] <fsphil> ahoy there SP9UOB_Tom
[21:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> could someona approve flight: 9824718ceacd7ae2eca54337de808b54
[21:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> please
[21:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> someone
[21:31] <SP9UOB_Tom> :-)
[21:31] <daveake> Payload --> cutdown line --> through chute --> through ring above chute --> down to top of chute
[21:32] <daveake> Then ring --> balloon
[21:32] <daveake> job jobbed
[21:32] <mattbrejza> Randomskk: DanielRichman ^
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[21:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: 45h32m from single AA @ -2 - +3 Celsius with 50% visible sky
[21:33] <fsphil> now that is impressive
[21:34] <Upu> you may even get more with a clearer sky
[21:34] <DanielRichman> SP9UOB_Tom: done
[21:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu i know, but i dont like mu roof @ winter
[21:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> DanielRichman: thank You
[21:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: anyway this tracker is also aprs :-) http://aprs.fi/info/a/SP9UOB-10
[21:36] <lz1dev> (tx => rx)
[21:36] <lz1dev> 13522.9 km 27°
[21:36] <lz1dev> fake :D
[21:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: I'll launch it at sunday. Try to get float
[21:36] <Upu> what balloon ?
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[21:36] <SP9UOB_Tom> lz1dev: errors in frame (development in progres)
[21:37] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: as always kaysam 100g :-)
[21:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> but much thicker insulation
[21:38] <Upu> ok
[21:38] <Upu> btw if you do another APRS
[21:38] <Upu> I've nearly finished geofencing europe
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[21:38] <Upu> so you can check your ITU prefix
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[21:40] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: ?? I know my ITU prefix ;-)
[21:41] <Upu> outside of Poland :)
[21:41] <Lunar_Lander> thanks daveake
[21:41] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: ahh I see
[21:41] <Upu> say you float into Czech Repulic OK/SP9UOB
[21:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> cool :-)
[21:42] <SP9UOB_Tom> and mute TX over UK ;-)
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[21:44] <fsphil> we won't tell anyone
[21:45] <SP9UOB_Tom> lol
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[21:51] <SP9UOB_Tom> there is a chanse to land in Poland :-) http://habhub.org/predict/#!/uuid=4d7a7aee39ee409340774c543083aca4706a2265
[21:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> chanse
[21:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> chance
[21:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> :-)
[21:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> lol
[21:54] <fsphil> any HF on this one?
[21:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> fsphil: no, just 1.8V tracker. Im planning HF on march
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[22:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> final shutdown from this house, see you from the new place. goodnight
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[22:39] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
[22:41] <arko> Oh hell ya
[22:41] <jonsowman> o/
[22:41] <arko> Google selfdriving car is coming to jpl
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[22:41] <jonsowman> :D
[22:41] <arko> So excited
[22:41] <jonsowman> videos/pics please D:
[22:41] <jonsowman> * :D
[22:41] <arko> Will do
[22:41] <arko> Not for 2 weeks
[22:41] <arko> But yeah
[22:42] <jonsowman> cool :D
[22:42] <arko> :)
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[22:46] <fsphil> a self driving electric car. that would be amazing
[22:46] <fsphil> would make mornings a lot simpler
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[22:50] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "[UKHAS] Launch Announcement - XABEN41 - launch summary"
[22:51] <arko> I did the udacity course
[22:51] <arko> Ive never had that much fun learning classroom style
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[22:52] <arko> Blows your mind how cool the selfdriving car really is
[22:53] <fsphil> I can imagine just how complicated it is
[22:53] <arko> Take the course
[22:53] <arko> Worth every second
[22:53] <arko> And its free!
[22:54] <fsphil> thanks for the tip, didn't know about them
[22:54] <arko> Udacity is the best
[22:55] <arko> Thrun teaches the selfdriving car class
[22:55] <arko> Lots of other awesome courses
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> arko, so KITT is almost real?
[23:01] <Elwell> turbo boost!
[23:02] <arko> Heh almost
[23:02] <fsphil> not unless you can get William Daniels to drive everywhere with you
[23:02] <arko> Dude
[23:02] <arko> That wpuld be hilarious
[23:02] <arko> "but I can onlynuse turbo boost once per episode!"
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[23:04] <chrisg7ogx> relly enjoyed today
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[23:04] <arko> Did a hab?
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[23:07] <chrisg7ogx> enjoyed tracking xaben4
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[23:09] <arko> :)
[23:11] <fsphil> 41
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[23:13] <fsphil> 41 launches. I've done 6
[23:13] <Upu> 41 you know about
[23:13] <fsphil> haha
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[23:25] <cuddykid> interesting going through my server logs.. turns out some chinese bot has been desperately trying to access web admin pages (like phpmyadmin) lol
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