highaltitude.log.20130217

[00:00] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[00:00] <Maxell> Damn, that 2m/70cm antenna wont pick up any ADSB data :P
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[00:17] <HixPad> Is there any open source adsb stuff out there?
[00:17] <Darkside> theres open source ADS-B demodulators
[00:17] <Darkside> and i think stuff to give you a google earth view
[00:17] <Darkside> ADS-B has been all the rage amongst people with RTL-SDRs
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[00:26] <HixPad> Last time I looked, and it was a good few years back, it was expensive
[00:26] Action: HixPad searched RTL-SDRs
[00:27] <Darkside> the cheap SDRs that people have been using recently
[00:27] <Darkside> they can receive ADS-V
[00:27] <Darkside> ADS-B*
[00:30] <HixPad> So dongles can pick it up with a correct antenna
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[00:48] <Hix> mattbrejza: are you sure with the 2.54mm/0.1" for the 50 Ohm track? It doesn't fit
[00:49] <mattbrejza> if you do the calcs it is, but yea in practise its whatever you can fit
[00:49] <mattbrejza> also its less for 0.8mm board
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[00:50] <Hix> bugger, dropped out
[00:50] <mattbrejza> 00:48:44 < Hix> mattbrejza: are you sure with the 2.54mm/0.1" for the 50 Ohm track? It doesn't fit
[00:50] <mattbrejza> 00:49:07 < mattbrejza> if you do the calcs it is, but yea in practise its whatever you can fit
[00:50] <mattbrejza> 00:49:19 < mattbrejza> also its less for 0.8mm board
[00:50] <Hix> ok i'll narrow it down, 2.54 was fouling SMA land
[00:51] <mattbrejza> i assume you have a gnd plane under this?
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[00:52] <Hix> 1.9304 has it filled to the brim
[00:52] <mattbrejza> also moving your ntx2 to the left a bit might help
[00:52] <mattbrejza> also rounded rather than angled corners
[00:52] <mattbrejza> btw all of this will probably make no noticeable difference
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[00:56] <Hix> mattbrejza: done did http://i.imgur.com/fWdRBYO.png
[00:57] <mattbrejza> yep looks better :)
[00:57] <Hix> cheers :)_
[00:57] <mattbrejza> did you intend to bend the ntx2 over?
[00:57] <Hix> oh, i have spaghetti coming out of my mouth
[00:58] <Hix> bend? "moving your ntx2 to the left a bit might help"
[00:58] <mattbrejza> after you solder will it still be standing up?
[00:58] <mattbrejza> or bent back
[00:59] <Hix> oh, yeah, the pins were shot so it nw has headers on it instead
[00:59] <mattbrejza> either way, the ntx2 might be a bit close to the sma, as the plug is a bit wider than the footprint of the socket
[00:59] <Hix> is the reason for bending it thermal?
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[01:00] <mattbrejza> na just takes up less room potentially
[01:00] <Hix> vertical has smaller board footprint.
[01:01] <mattbrejza> well depends on your case
[01:01] <mattbrejza> either way the sma should probably be moved down a bit
[01:01] <Hix> oh, it's not an issue, there'll be GoPro and camera in there
[01:01] <mattbrejza> ok
[01:03] <Hix> it's gone a little further south http://i.imgur.com/MY7nPJJ.png
[01:03] <Hix> as much as it can on a 50 x 50 board :)
[01:09] <mattbrejza> the alternative is to use the edge mount sma connectors
[01:09] <Hix> already bought the hardware now
[01:09] <mattbrejza> ah
[01:17] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset
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[01:44] <Hix> night peeps
[01:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Matthew Brejza "[UKHAS] Android modem and tracking app"
[01:46] <arko> sooon very soon, i shall make one of these http://www.unmannedgroup.com/ftp/gfx_ct450/ct_450_gcs.png
[01:47] <arko> got the pelican case and switches and stuff
[01:47] <arko> no i need to find some nice plastic or metal to laser cut
[01:47] <arko> now*
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[03:28] <arko> HOLY COW
[03:28] <arko> http://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/
[03:28] <arko> im going here when i go Germany in september
[03:30] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[03:35] <arko> planning it out now
[03:35] <arko> going from stuttgart to hamburg
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[03:35] <arko> for like a day trip
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[04:56] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset
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[08:06] <craag> morning
[08:07] <craag> looking great weather for a pico here, no clouds in sight!
[08:07] <Hix> good moaning
[08:07] <Hix> nice here too
[08:07] <Hix> though bit nippy
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[08:18] <arko> morning
[08:18] <Hix> morning arko
[08:24] <arko> xup
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[08:32] <Upu> morning
[08:32] <Upu> also confirming looking pico friendly
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[08:33] <Upu> sadly predictions aren't
[08:33] <Upu> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/19648_trj001.gif
[08:34] <number10> thats a shame nice still day
[08:35] <number10> allthough it would give fsphil something to track
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[08:52] <SP9UOB_Tom> hi all
[08:52] <Upu> morning
[08:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> morning UPU. my 1.8V design running 19 hours - battery voltage drop 0.11 V :-)
[08:53] <Upu> a bit more left in that then :)
[08:53] <SP9UOB_Tom> $$$$$$SP9UOB,3315,08:53:22,5016.65798,01839.28596,252,23,24,7,139,4*7334
[08:53] <Upu> knock dl-fldigi into offline mode
[08:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> 1.39V
[08:54] <SP9UOB_Tom> yup sorry
[08:55] <Upu> nps
[08:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> im launching my UOBalloon in sunday
[08:56] <SP9UOB_Tom> 24.02
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[08:57] <Carmela_> hello
[08:58] <SP9UOB_Tom> hello
[09:04] <Upu> think there will be a few going up next weekend
[09:04] <Upu> morning Carmela_
[09:07] <Carmela_> hello to you
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[09:32] <gonzo_> possible error in my flight doc. callsign should be BONZO4
[09:33] <gonzo_> anyone able to ammend?
[09:38] <fsphil> you need to make a new one, and have it approved
[09:38] <arko> fsphil: hah, i just noticed you commented on Mike Browns tweet
[09:39] <fsphil> our boss had one of those at a birthday party
[09:39] <fsphil> we called it Eddy. Edible-Eddy
[09:42] <fsphil> to be honest I couldn't eat any of it. I really like bacon and pork, but not if I know it personally
[09:46] <arko> Yeah
[09:46] <arko> Same
[09:46] <arko> Seeing the head especially
[09:49] <Darkside> http://i.imgur.com/AP8QYtW.jpg
[09:49] <Darkside> stupid HF tricks
[09:50] <fsphil> what's that on the roof?
[09:51] <Darkside> a flouro tube
[09:52] <fsphil> ah, makes sense now. I thought it was metalic
[09:52] <fsphil> thought the reflection was from behind the camera
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[09:54] <jarod> Darkside nice pic :)
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[09:59] <CHRISG7OGX> THINK I CAN HEAR SOMETHING ON 434.647
[09:59] <Hix> Horrible feeling ive goosed the ublox desoldering it from the breakout, didn't a=want to come off no matter how much wick i used http://i.imgur.com/0FHNLNz.jpg
[10:00] <fsphil> eep
[10:00] <Hix> couple of pads look like theyve gone
[10:00] <fsphil> wait, you took a screenshot of the photoviewer?
[10:00] <Hix> 7mb image
[10:00] <Hix> quicker
[10:01] <fsphil> ah, sneaky
[10:01] <fsphil> CHRISG7OGX: (caps) .. there's nothing flying atm
[10:01] <Hix> prt scrn ctrl v imgur speedy speedy
[10:01] <fsphil> at least I don't believe so
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[10:02] <CHRISG7OGX> ok i'm excited testing on the ground?
[10:02] <fsphil> it's possible
[10:03] Action: fsphil is on standby if it floats
[10:05] <CHRISG7OGX> standing by here - breakfast
[10:05] <fsphil> good thinking
[10:05] <fsphil> cheese on toast time
[10:05] <Hix> installing xubuntu onto VM for an hourly install #worldofpaincomingup
[10:05] <Hix> with HP fsphil ?
[10:05] <fsphil> someone mentioned trying it on the Pi
[10:05] <fsphil> I'll try it on one Hix
[10:06] <Hix> HP would probably short it, ok on pies though :)
[10:06] <Hix> just a bit on the side for dipping
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[10:06] <fsphil> lies! HP makes everything better
[10:06] <Hix> not Pi
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[10:08] <Hix> so far this morning: rooted replacement driod, simunlocked. built TinyISP programmer, desoldered [and probably buggered] uBLox, set up VM with Xubuntu
[10:09] <Hix> all by 10:00, might be something to do with waking up at 06:00 and not being able to get back to sleep
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[10:10] <jcoxon> Good day dir
[10:11] <jcoxon> Oops
[10:11] <jcoxon> good day for a Pico
[10:11] <NigeyS> morning James
[10:12] <jcoxon> Night for me. Just leaving work
[10:12] <NigeyS> ah night shift :/
[10:12] <jcoxon> Bbl
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[10:12] <NigeyS> fsphil ... http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/13664_trj001.gif
[10:12] <NigeyS> get ya wellies on if this floats lol
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[10:14] <GMT> fsphil don't need no wellies - he walks on water!
[10:15] <NigeyS> lol
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[10:29] <CHRISG7OGX> cheese on toast beats fruit n fibre ;@{
[10:29] <NigeyS> by an order of magnitude!
[10:30] <CHRISG7OGX> yurp
[10:32] <chrisstubbs> any updates on bonzo4?
[10:33] <NigeyS> not yet, think he's on route to launch site.
[10:33] <mfa298> I've not heard anything tuning around the dial yet.
[10:34] <chrisstubbs> ah okay
[10:34] <Chris26CT895> Bonzo is on!
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[10:35] <mfa298> I can hear rtty
[10:35] <mfa298> around 434.646
[10:35] <CHRISG7OGX> freq?
[10:36] <CHRISG7OGX> thats what i heard earlier
[10:36] <CHRISG7OGX> with a sort of tinkering noise??
[10:37] <CHRISG7OGX> getting stronger now
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[10:38] <fsphil> mmmm that was good
[10:39] <Chris26CT895> Why can't I see Bonzo4 on the spacenear tracker map?
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[10:39] <mfa298> I think the autoconfigure flight doc is wrong
[10:39] <fsphil> it is
[10:40] <mfa298> I've not yet had a good decode since choosing the right documemt from the testing list :(
[10:40] <Chris26CT895> I've had a few
[10:40] <fsphil> you probably need to adjust the shift
[10:40] <Chris26CT895> $$BONZO4,491,10:40:02,+5045.18817,-00158.43240,394.5,0632*4F0F
[10:41] <CHRISG7OGX> got it weak here on white stick
[10:42] <gonzo_> can anyone approve a flight doc?
[10:42] <gonzo_> 057787021beeda57cb655ea522cb21b5
[10:42] <NigeyS> its on the tracker now
[10:42] <mfa298> wow, I think I got my first data when it was around 230m - but I do have a good location for this one.
[10:42] <gonzo_> thanks
[10:43] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Just coming up above my horizon as well
[10:43] <Upu> Think it will be a while till I RX that :)
[10:43] <fsphil> woo
[10:43] <NigeyS> heh
[10:43] <fsphil> still closer to you than me :)
[10:43] <NigeyS> phil its headed right for you :P
[10:43] <fsphil> muhaha
[10:44] <NigeyS> http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/11667_trj001.gif
[10:44] <NigeyS> stops off over dublin to hah
[10:44] <fsphil> it'll pass about 20km south west of here
[10:44] <Upu> ping craag
[10:44] <fsphil> if it's descending near here I'll head out
[10:44] <NigeyS> :D !
[10:45] <Geoff-G8DHE_> well something on 434646 at least
[10:45] <fsphil> it'll definitely need to float though
[10:45] <NigeyS> aimm for cardiff, hit northern ireland.. not bad...lol
[10:46] <fsphil> the higher floats are further west
[10:47] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Ah yes it is
[10:47] <gonzo_> now twice as high as the 1st attempt went!
[10:47] <fsphil> 1.2m/s, nice
[10:48] <Upu> gonzo_ did you do the dual balloon with the tube between then ?
[10:48] <NigeyS> oh 1km .. nice
[10:48] <CHRISG7OGX> shift about 290?
[10:48] <fsphil> anyone trying the android decoder?
[10:49] <gonzo_> about 300 yep
[10:49] <NigeyS> i will as soon as i can find a splitter cable for the tablet
[10:49] <CHRISG7OGX> weeak and broken here
[10:49] <gonzo_> upp, I did, but it didn't go as planned, so cut it
[10:49] <Upu> ok
[10:50] <gonzo_> Will explain in the debrief
[10:50] <mfa298> I'm still in the default 300 shift but it's a nice strong signal
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[10:51] <mfa298> I could get most of a decode with the preamp off!
[10:51] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[10:51] <Geoff-G8DHE_> What sort of aerial does it have ?
[10:51] <mfa298> fsphil: not tried the android yet, but thinking I might (even if just trying speaker -> mic)
[10:51] <fsphil> got it loaded but don't have a map yet
[10:52] <fsphil> might be worth having a map-less mode mattbrejza
[10:52] <fsphil> and a shortcut to that url to download them from
[10:55] <gonzo_> Geoff-G8DHE_ it's a sleeve dipole, running up the balloon string
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[10:55] <gonzo_> so hopefully if one balloon splits and it comes down, the antenna will still be above ground
[10:55] <gonzo_> assiste with recovery
[10:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Tks its fading from time to time here is all.
[10:56] Action: fsphil accidently downloads the map for Albania
[10:56] <NigeyS> lol
[10:57] <fsphil> nice smooth ascent rate
[10:57] <gonzo_> it's making good progress.
[10:57] <CHRISG7OGX> nice
[10:57] <fsphil> no clouds there today?
[10:57] <gonzo_> there was 20gm of free lift
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[10:57] <CHRISG7OGX> is bonzo's power output less than usual?
[10:57] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Good luck with the flight Julian
[10:58] <fsphil> probably a null in your antenna CHRISG7OGX
[10:58] <fsphil> I find the power levels vary a lot as they ascent
[10:58] <fsphil> ascend
[10:58] <gonzo_> nope, should be plenty
[10:58] <CHRISG7OGX> yes still red..Grrrr
[10:58] <gonzo_> the ant is an experiment
[10:58] <fsphil> ooh
[10:59] <gonzo_> an upwards pointing dipole
[10:59] <gonzo_> but should be ok
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> If its sleeve it will probably have a slight angle on it up or down depending on orientation
[10:59] <gonzo_> good S7 here
[11:00] <CHRISG7OGX> that may explain while some trackers had excellent sigs and others not too far away had weak sigs?
[11:00] <fsphil> some antennas are better than others
[11:00] <gonzo_> that's a poss. The ant is the usual ground based orientation
[11:00] <fsphil> some radios put out a bit more power than others
[11:01] <gonzo_> ie, driven elee=met upwards
[11:01] <gonzo_> this one os possibly on the upper limit of the spec
[11:01] <CHRISG7OGX> weakening here now
[11:01] <OZ1SKY_Brian> whats the predicted path?
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[11:02] <gonzo_> towards cardiff
[11:02] <CHRISG7OGX> from Nigeys.... http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/hysplitout/11667_trj001.gif
[11:02] <gonzo_> and if it drops near enough for NigeyS to recover, he's going to fly it back to me next weekend
[11:03] <OZ1SKY_Brian> ah going up to phil i see
[11:03] <Hix> chrisstubbs's guide to hourly install, will it work on xubuntu?
[11:03] Action: fsphil is the backup
[11:03] <NigeyS> \o/
[11:03] <mfa298> very stong sig here - I keep looking at the rig expecting to see something on the s-meter
[11:03] <CHRISG7OGX> yes just beat me to it! cos of spinning?
[11:04] <NigeyS> looking good jules, right on the predicted path so far
[11:04] <fsphil> brb, mutt needs walked
[11:04] <CHRISG7OGX> drifting down a tad in freq
[11:04] <gonzo_> just pray to the gods of HAB that the burst is useable
[11:04] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_1.jpg
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[11:04] <gonzo_> or will go to phil
[11:05] <CHRISG7OGX> that's nice Geoff
[11:06] <GMT> nothing heard in London yet, but just a feint trace on the waterfall
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[11:06] <CHRISG7OGX> almost gone here
[11:07] <CHRISG7OGX> i think movement is blocking the signal to certain brgs
[11:07] <craag> Upu: Is the program working now BONZO4 has appeared?
[11:08] <junderwood> dial freq anyone?
[11:08] <Geoff-G8DHE_> 434.647
[11:08] <junderwood> Got it
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> decoding about 1 in 8
[11:09] <Hix> giving up the hourly install the first install command returns a no package to get error
[11:09] <Geoff-G8DHE_> falling ?
[11:09] <junderwood> Bust :(
[11:10] <NigeyS> noooooo dont you dare burst!! :(
[11:10] <Hix> already?
[11:10] <Geoff-G8DHE_> yup
[11:10] <gonzo_> bugger
[11:10] <Lunar_Lander> what sort of balloon was this?
[11:10] <Hix> blimey
[11:10] <gonzo_> 2x36"
[11:10] <NigeyS> dammit, that was insanely early even for a dual balloon :/
[11:10] <Hix> easy recovery at least :)
[11:10] <junderwood> definitely going down
[11:10] <craag> gonzo_: How much neck lift in the end?
[11:11] <gonzo_> was concerned the necks may have been damaged with the buffeting whilst waiting 15mins fof gps lock
[11:11] <NigeyS> ouch
[11:11] <Hix> how comes so long?
[11:12] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_2.jpg
[11:12] <NigeyS> well jules, good chance of it landing in a nice open field
[11:12] <gonzo_> that is true
[11:12] <gonzo_> 20g free lift eventually
[11:13] <NigeyS> not to bad, was almost a solid 1m/s
[11:13] <gonzo_> yep, so useful data at least
[11:14] <jcoxon> 20g of free lift?
[11:14] <jcoxon> thats quite a bit
[11:14] <gonzo_> rr
[11:14] <craag> So only 40g of fill per balloon, you should have got 5500m plus imo.
[11:14] <NigeyS> dual balloon pico's = black magic :/
[11:15] <gonzo_> payload worked out at 83g eventually
[11:16] <gonzo_> not the forest!
[11:16] <junderwood> That was the shortest tracking effort ever. A grand total of 4 strings to add to the total :)
[11:16] <NigeyS> make your way to blandford forest if i were you, and take an axe lol
[11:17] <CHRISG7OGX> lost
[11:17] <gonzo_> all appreciated
[11:17] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_3.jpg
[11:17] <jcoxon> NigeyS, indeed
[11:17] <jcoxon> gonzo_, recover and relaunch today!
[11:17] <jcoxon> its such nice weather
[11:17] <gonzo_> I did think just that
[11:17] <gonzo_> lots of gas and spare balloons
[11:17] <craag> Oh.. so ~52g of fill per balloon, I've got 4688m with exactly that in the past.
[11:17] <NigeyS> true, its a lovely still day
[11:17] <jcoxon> go for it
[11:17] <CHRISG7OGX> that would be great take a breather first tho nice pubs up that way
[11:18] <gonzo_> 50g/balloon
[11:18] <chrisstubbs> Hix, if your around in about an hours time i can try and help you with houry
[11:18] <CHRISG7OGX> don't scare the ponies they've had a lot on their plate lately!
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[11:18] <mfa298> this is where we could have done with the guy from somerset that was here the other day
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[11:19] <CHRISG7OGX> its still txing
[11:19] <Hix> chrisstubbs: probably will be, though it fell over on the first install request, looks like package been bemoved from that url
[11:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_4.jpg
[11:19] <Hix> ft.....ie....
[11:19] <NigeyS> hix what package ?
[11:20] <Hix> chrisstubbs: yum install -y http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-7.noarch.rpm
[11:20] <Hix> "No package available"
[11:20] <mfa298> Hix which version of linux are you using ?
[11:20] <Hix> Xubuntu
[11:20] <Hix> on VM
[11:21] <mfa298> you might need to adapt them as I think those instructions are designed for CentOS/RHEL
[11:21] <mfa298> (and possibly fedora)
[11:21] <Hix> hmmm, sounds like it's gonna be an ordeal.
[11:21] <gonzo_> lost sigs here now
[11:21] <NigeyS> yeah, you'll need .deb packages for xubuntu
[11:21] <gonzo_> fingers crossed it got over the woods
[11:21] <mfa298> and apt-get rather than yum
[11:22] <Hix> Maybe a huge sunday roast instead then :)
[11:22] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/bonzo4_5.jpg
[11:22] <NigeyS> gonzo_ it probably just made it over the edge of the woods
[11:22] <mfa298> lost the signal now
[11:22] <mfa298> although 313m for a good decode isn't bad
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> sorry
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> NigeyS,
[11:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[11:23] <gonzo_> yep, tis that
[11:23] <NigeyS> hey Kev
[11:23] <Hix> is there any other documentaion regarding the install, besides Upu's bash history?
[11:23] <gonzo_> right, off to recover in a bit
[11:23] <mfa298> had a partial at $$BOLZO4,6(11:20:47,+5053.09439,-00214.80653,285.0,061!*2AFA
[11:23] <NigeyS> cya soon jules, good luck
[11:23] <Hix> good luck gonzo_
[11:24] <NigeyS> hix, my install was a mess, let me check my bash_history
[11:24] <GMT> I guess we won't be having the return flight next weekend ...
[11:24] <Hix> cheers NigeyS
[11:24] <mfa298> Hix: these were my notes based on the bash historys and irc. but it's all centos
[11:24] <gonzo_> have more foils, have gas
[11:24] <craag> Upu: Bug is caused by lack of Launch Location Altitude in the Flight Doc: https://github.com/thecraag/habrotate/issues/7
[11:24] <mfa298> http://hab.yapd.net/setup.html
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[11:24] <NigeyS> GMT, i may send microchu to jules if the winds are right
[11:25] <Hix> suppose I should just run with centos then...
[11:25] <lowerstoford> Hi Guys, just logged on to watch Gonzo, as it may pass over me, but its going down???
[11:25] <Hix> pointless making matters harder
[11:26] <Hix> yup lowerstoford just about landed
[11:26] <Hix> if not already in a tree
[11:26] <mfa298> I think the url for the EPEL package needs updating but otherwise I think it works - Damned people updating their software that I've referenced :p
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[11:26] <Hix> mfa298: http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-7.noarch.rpm that one?
[11:27] <Hix> said no package when i tried earleir [despite it being destined to fail]
[11:27] <mfa298> yum, that's the one that might have been updated
[11:27] <Hix> try for epel-release-6-8?
[11:27] <Hix> or is URL completely different?
[11:27] <CHRISG7OGX> time to walk mutts and talk to partners...in that order
[11:27] <mfa298> probably 6-8 or 6-9
[11:28] <Hix> ok, will give it a whirl. ta
[11:28] <mfa298> looks like 6-8 (remove the whole epel-releas bit and you'll get a directory listing)
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[11:29] <Upu> ah ok thx craag
[11:29] <Geoff-G8DHE_> http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/Bonzo4_flight_path.jpg
[11:29] <fsphil> ooh dear, it landed?
[11:29] <mfa298> I had tried ubuntu first for the hourly but I didn't get on with it very well (even ignoring the fact it stopped halfway through shuting down everytime)
[11:29] <fsphil> I'm running it on centos
[11:31] <craag> It is possible on ubuntu (I'm running it on that), but I can't offer any guidance as it took ages and I'm not sure what ended up working in the end :S
[11:32] <fsphil> same here
[11:32] <fsphil> most of my problems came from python
[11:32] <craag> snap
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[11:32] <NigeyS> snap 3
[11:33] <Hix> looking good then ;p
[11:34] <x-f> mm, it wasn't that hard, i've set up two hourly's on the same ubuntu box
[11:35] <Hix> ah, some positives, we like them
[11:35] <NigeyS> think it was the python-dap package that got me
[11:35] <x-f> requirements' list isn't as short as it is in the README
[11:35] <mfa298> eastcombe wood is on quite a slope ground at the last packet is around 200m but where it landed could be <100m
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[11:40] <Hix> sudo apt-get upgrade, this upgrades every package in the intstall of xubuntu?
[11:40] <chrisstubbs> Hix are you running it on vmware?
[11:40] <Hix> yup
[11:40] <NigeyS> yeah,, just makes sure the system is up to date
[11:41] <Hix> i ojly downloaded it this morning, but it seems that virtually everything is out of date :)
[11:41] <Hix> only
[11:41] <mfa298> although I think you have to do sudo apt-get update first (and pretty much before any apt-get commands)
[11:41] <fsphil> aye
[11:41] <Hix> yup done that
[11:42] <Hix> painful on 1.5Mbps
[11:42] <mfa298> one of the many things I don't like about the apt way of doing things (along with the many different apt- commands for doing things)
[11:42] <Hix> is Gonzo_ going to go again do we know
[11:42] <craag> run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' that'll update everything, including stuff that you'll need to reboot for.
[11:42] <Hix> too late craag
[11:42] <chrisstubbs> hix i can put my vm image up for download somewhere if you want, its CentOS and about 3gb though :(
[11:43] <Hix> that'd be cool if you could chrisstubbs
[11:43] <chrisstubbs> Oh ill just wack a 7z of it on my webserver and send you the IP
[11:43] <gonzo_> will see if a recovery is poss and will reassess when back home
[11:44] <Hix> nice chrisstubbs cheers
[11:44] <fsphil> 7z and xz are nice
[11:44] <Hix> apparently its setting up girl1.3
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[11:45] <Hix> not sure girl will appreciate that :)
[11:45] <fsphil> is there a man page for that?
[11:45] <Hix> man girl1.3
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[11:46] <Hix> .th
[11:47] <chrisstubbs> Hix did you find a decent RPM of epel in the end?
[11:47] <Hix> mfa thinks its 6-8 or 6-9 will see
[11:47] <mfa298> 6-8 exists
[11:47] <chrisstubbs> http://chris-stubbs.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cusfinstall.txt
[11:47] <chrisstubbs> the link i used is in there
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[11:51] <mfa298> hmmm, I wonder how easily I could alter my kickstart file to remove my local setup (nis and nfs) and do most of the hourly setup instead - could make for a nicer install system for centos.
[11:51] <Hix> unable to locate package by regex
[11:52] <Hix> probably easier to wait for the VM to download. far less painful methinks :)
[11:53] <chrisstubbs> aha ok im trying, its all running on a painfully slow windows box i have to VNC into
[11:53] <fsphil> I thought python was suppose to make things easier? :)
[11:53] <mfa298> kiststart is nice when you can make it work, you should be able to give the installer a kickstart file and it will do all the work at install time for you.
[11:53] <Hix> no hurries chrisstubbs I'll probably download it overnight to save caning your line
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[12:32] <mfa298> I've updated the url in my notes now and even added a bit of html markup (although that's a work in progress)
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[12:36] <Hix> got as far as " [100%] Built tatget test" so it's not all falling over just yet, thenks to NigeyS
[12:36] <Hix> *thanks
[12:38] <mfa298> hopefully it looks a bit easier with the commands seperated from the notes
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[12:41] <chrisstubbs> looks nice mfa298
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[12:41] <mfa298> i even added a link to the youtube video
[12:41] <chrisstubbs> Cheers :)
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[12:45] <chrisstubbs> Hix file will be ready in about 10
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[12:45] <Hix> k cool
[12:45] <Hix> ta
[12:45] <chrisstubbs> Domlin has set me up with some nice unlimited hosting so i will stick it on there too
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[12:54] <craag> gonzo_p: recovered?
[12:56] <chrisstubbs> Hix http://86.173.240.238:7777/hourly/
[12:57] <chrisstubbs> compressed down to 821mb :)
[12:57] <Hix> skills chrisstubbs
[12:57] <Hix> good work
[12:58] <chrisstubbs> no probs
[13:01] <NigeyS> craag, bonzo4 has updated, looks like its in the trees :/
[13:02] <Hix> heh, had to be didn't it. trees and water.....
[13:02] <NigeyS> lol all those open fields, and it hits a bloody tree :/
[13:03] <Hix> thinking of adding 60m single rope, harness and some prussik loops to my lanch kit :)
[13:03] <Hix> launch
[13:03] <NigeyS> just pack a chainsaw instead ;)
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[13:06] <gonzo_p> spotted in a tree going to take a walk up the track
[13:07] <NigeyS> oki good luck!
[13:07] Action: Hix is currently installing bacon_rolls_2.0
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> just a short question to everyone
[13:11] <Lunar_Lander> arduinos are programmed via the UART 0 of the CPU right
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[13:12] <Lunar_Lander> why is it bad to have a device attached to that UART while uploading a program?
[13:12] <Hix> something to do with sync
[13:12] <mfa298> chrisstubbs: just wondering did you have to do anything to make SElinux behave or did you just turn it off for your vm ?
[13:12] <chrisstubbs> SElinux?
[13:13] <mfa298> the security stuff Redhat add to linux. I'm guessing you didn't have to do anything with it.
[13:13] <chrisstubbs> all i did that wasnt in your instructions was add exceptions in the firewall for port 80
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, what's that program btw?
[13:14] <chrisstubbs> its a VMware image of the houry predictor
[13:14] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:15] <mfa298> I'll add some notes about firewall then - I've added some of my httpd.conf file to the notes
[13:15] <Lunar_Lander> what does it do?
[13:15] <daveake> predicts hourly
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[13:15] <chrisstubbs> yes that was a bit of a paina s ir emember
[13:15] <Hix> :D
[13:15] <chrisstubbs> the <directory> bit
[13:15] <chrisstubbs> hang on lunar i will boot mine back up...
[13:15] <mfa298> I've added a whole virtualserver block
[13:15] <Hix> Lunar_Lander: its a customised predictor for individuals lons
[13:16] <Hix> locns
[13:16] <mfa298> although I need to apply some s/</&lt;/
[13:16] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[13:16] <Hix> same as CUSFS
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[13:19] <chrisstubbs> ugh dual core pentium D is horrible
[13:20] <chrisstubbs> think im going to end up getting a cheap quad core bundle next month and sort this out
[13:22] <chrisstubbs> Lunar_Lander http://86.173.240.238/
[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> interesting
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[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> this is rather cool
[13:23] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[13:39] <Hix> Proliant N40L £219.99 and £100 from HP http://goo.gl/TwqYS
[13:39] <Hix> space for 5 HDD inside and eSATA externally, cheaper than a NAS bay
[13:40] <NigeyS> not bad!
[13:41] <NigeyS> think that tree is giving Jules a hard time ;/
[13:41] <Hix> £120 for a dual core microserver is a steal
[13:41] <Hix> trained squirrels needed on site
[13:42] <daveake> I have one as a NAS. Nice little box.
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[13:42] <G0MJW> How is it going?
[13:43] <daveake> Just fine. 4 2GB drives in the RAID array, and another drive for the O/S
[13:43] <G0MJW> That's good. All you need now is to fix that wobble in the monitor stand
[13:44] <mfa298> With a bit more ram it looks like it could make a nice beginner ESXi box (assuming the cpu is suitable)
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[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Flight of Bonzo4 http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/output/Bonzo4.html also an HTM5 version at http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo4/output/Bonzo4_1.html
[13:56] <gonzo_p> got s closeas I could to the site. but had to give up
[13:56] <gonzo_p> can see it from here too
[13:56] <NigeyS> dam :(
[13:56] <Hix> cleaned the log of what NigeyS advised when starting to try to get Hourly running on Xubuntu; if anyone cares to try, here's where we got to. Feel free to update the process. No point in putting it on the Wiki yet as it's not finished
[13:56] <Hix> http://goo.gl/MVj9q
[13:56] <gonzo_p> oh well. a fun day
[13:56] <Hix> bummer
[13:57] <gonzo_p> better luck next weekend for you
[13:57] <NigeyS> geoff-G8DHE nice work :)
[13:57] <NigeyS> yup jules, fingers crossed!
[13:57] <gonzo_p> off home. I'm broken after that climb up the hill
[13:57] <Hix> :D
[13:57] <NigeyS> lol oki!
[13:58] <G0MJW> Where was it?
[13:59] <mfa298> Hix looks like you're halfway there.
[13:59] <gonzo_p> uo in trees
[13:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Shame but interesting anyway, not sure about that aerial however, seemed to have nulls or maybe the beam was deflected upwards, much fading with me.
[13:59] <gonzo_p> i got as close as poss on the track
[14:00] <G0MJW> Pitu. No UAV to grab it?
[14:00] <gonzo_p> but the rest is a climbing ex!
[14:00] <gonzo_p> hehe
[14:00] <Hix> told you single rope and prussik loops were featuring on my launch list :)
[14:01] <mfa298> Hix: or some sort of extendabe pole.
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Fly fishing anyone ?
[14:01] <Hix> mfa298: halfway, could be back to the start though. If you want to fill in the blanks in the step by step, I'll have a crac another time. About to go out
[14:01] <gonzo_p> shot gun is an idea
[14:01] <gonzo_p> right time to go home
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[14:01] <Hix> You can get 12m fishing poles very cheap now
[14:02] <mfa298> Hix: you'll probably want to do the install into /opt (due to some hard coded paths), the only other bit that's likely to be missing is some python modules
[14:02] <SpeedEvil> I rarely need to catch 12m fish.
[14:03] <Hix> there you go 11m pole £50
[14:03] <Hix> could pay for itself in two boards recovered
[14:04] <mfa298> just hope the the tree is <13m
[14:04] <Hix> so just mv the contents of /home/hix/CUSF..... to /opt/CUSF.... then pwd into there and proceed?
[14:05] <mfa298> the folder wants to be called /opt/cusf-landing-prediction
[14:05] <Hix> sure, i was cutting a typo corner
[14:05] <Hix> is the process documented in the CUSF Github?
[14:06] <mfa298> not sure
[14:14] <Hix> hmm, seems it's only really the predictor thats documented, not the hourly.
[14:14] <Hix> ping jcoxon
[14:14] <Hix> ahh bugger, nights
[14:16] <G0MJW> Trained Monkey?
[14:19] <Laurenceb_> http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/54819_463894216986010_799492339_o.jpg
[14:19] <chrisstubbs> Shame its not a real ipad :(
[14:21] <Hix> Right, time to get out and see some of this nice day before i spend another week in an office.bbl, cheers guys
[14:25] <chrisstubbs> later Hix
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[14:36] <CHRISG7OGX> just got in are there any plans for more excitement today please?
[14:37] <mattbrejza> fsphil: there was going to be a link to that page but i got lazy
[14:38] <mattbrejza> also not using the maps wouldbt be too hard but that is one of the main points of the app
[14:38] <mattbrejza> i just wanted to get something out and see how it works
[14:38] <mfa298> CHRISG7OGX: I think the trees won on this one
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[14:39] <CHRISG7OGX> suspect won't be first time...or last
[14:42] <CHRISG7OGX> funcube sat antenna deployment. http://www.southgatearc.org/news/february2013/amsat_uk_funcube1_antenna_deployment_test.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.USDsNqXznBF
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[14:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "Re: [UKHAS] BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset
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[15:05] <eroomde> yo
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[15:13] <NigeyS> yo Ed
[15:15] <eroomde> yo
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[16:26] <Hix> Hi Adam012 any joy with recovery?
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[16:27] <Adam012> No luck Hix, we got plenty of publicity though ;-)
[16:28] <Hix> yeah I've ssen. Shame though
[16:28] <Hix> ping jonsowman
[16:29] <Adam012> It was, we're pretty sure which address it was taken to but without being 100% certain I can't pursue it further.
[16:30] <jonsowman> hi Hix
[16:30] <Hix> hullo, do you have any info for the install of the hourly apart from http://www.cuspaceflight.co.uk/wiki/landing_predictor
[16:30] <Hix> I'm trying it on xubuntu but everyone seems to have used centos
[16:31] <jonsowman> should be broadly similar apart from the relevant package manager
[16:31] <jonsowman> to answer your question, there are no other instructions
[16:31] <jonsowman> a couple of people on here have compiled some
[16:31] <Hix> ah ok
[16:31] <jonsowman> craag perhaps?
[16:31] <Hix> Adam012: can't you send them anothjer "package" :)
[16:31] <Hix> ok jonsowman cheers
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[16:39] <Adam012> Just building Horizon 2's tracker and making a couple of reserve antenna
[16:41] <craag> ello
[16:42] <craag> Ah, hourly...
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[16:42] <Hix> Adam012 - toerags
[16:43] <Hix> they could have at least posted the sD back
[16:43] <Hix> anoymously, if they wanted the paperweight
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[16:44] <craag> Hix: I have merged the hourly into the predictor at https://github.com/thecraag/cusf-standalone-predictor
[16:44] <Adam012> I know, we would have loved to get the photos back.
[16:44] <Hix> ok, cool - I'll have a gander over there. cheers
[16:44] <craag> It's not completely up-to-date (doesn't have the time-delta options), but take a look through the commit log.
[16:44] <Hix> ta
[16:46] <chrisstubbs> Which payload has been taken? bonzo4?
[16:46] <Hix> Horizon chrisstubbs
[16:47] <Hix> The school one aswell.
[16:48] <Hix> chrisstubbs: only 1 hour left on the 7z VM :/
[16:48] <chrisstubbs> Some people :( Think they saw it on spacenear.us and took it? or just happened to come accross it?
[16:49] <chrisstubbs> Hix getting there! Explorer is still frozen afaik
[16:49] <Hix> :D
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[16:52] <chrisstubbs> Am i right in thinking the pin mapping of the ATmega168 is the same in DIP as it is in TQFP
[16:53] <chrisstubbs> eg PD0 = arduino digital 0 on both
[16:53] <Hix> sec
[16:55] <Hix> chrisstubbs: http://i.imgur.com/JI7qcw2.png
[16:55] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: yep
[16:55] <Hix> looks to be so
[16:56] <chrisstubbs> Awesome, i have the datasheets just thinking about the arduino side of things
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[16:56] <chrisstubbs> ordered some mega8's and some free samples of mega168s to play with. the pinout is identical which should be handy for board designs
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[16:58] <Hix> 328 is cheap as chips http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=1715486&CMP=i-bf9f-00001000
[16:58] <chrisstubbs> i thought i got the 328 on ebay, but the cheeky blighters just said "328 compatible"
[16:59] <Hix> If you're going to run it 3v3 it'll only handle 8MHz i've been advised
[16:59] <Hix> just in case you didn't know
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> not sure if im goning to run the whole thing at 3v3 or run the chip at 5v and use voltage converters
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> the latter seems like a bit of a waste of time
[17:00] <Hix> seemed easier for me as the uBLox deals in 3v3 logic
[17:00] <Hix> saved a 232 to translate and space
[17:00] <chrisstubbs> as does the RFM22
[17:01] <Hix> haven't dared go near that yet, code nightmare i think for me
[17:01] <chrisstubbs> ordered one to have a play with, got a feeling it might be the same
[17:02] <Hix> there's quite a bit on the wiki about it but I'd rather master what Ive got at the moment before opening a fresh tin of worms :)
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> yeah think i will fly with my through hole NTX2 board before i start too much work with SMD parts
[17:04] <chrisstubbs> been practicing taking a few chips off an old LCD driver and putting them back on again, didnt go too badly
[17:05] <chrisstubbs> the tip of my maplin soldering iron must be made of crap though, its awful
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> tin of worms...
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> it's sad if you think about it
[17:05] <Lunar_Lander> trapping live animals in a metal can
[17:08] <staylo> it's still more fun than shooting monkeys in a barrel
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[17:11] <Hix> chrisstubbs: check out http://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/ they're cheap, plus they do tips down to 0.2mm for aoyue irons
[17:11] <Hix> TINY http://i.imgur.com/4zgwPd1.jpg
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[17:13] <chrisstubbs> oo not too badly priced at all!
[17:14] <Hix> I bought some stuff second class post and it arrived the next morning recorded....
[17:14] <Hix> they seem to d oa fair bit of RF stuff on their other site too
[17:14] <Hix> their tweezers are excellent too.
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[17:16] <chrisstubbs> http://goo.gl/i7Cka looks quite nice
[17:16] <chrisstubbs> just about in my price range too
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[17:18] <Adam012> Looks nice, similar to the Maplin's model.
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[17:22] <Hix> got this one http://goo.gl/W4rBS no complaints at all
[17:22] <Hix> aprts from the user :p
[17:22] <Hix> apart
[17:23] <chrisstubbs> i dont know why i went for the LCD one, looks cool
[17:23] <chrisstubbs> £34 isnt too bad at all, might end up buying one tonight now haha
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[17:25] <Hix> oops, sorry :) get the 0.2mm tip and a chisel for desoldering with braid too, end u ath the same price as the digi, tweezers while you're there too
[17:26] <chrisstubbs> did yours come with any tips?
[17:26] <Hix> think it's 0.8 conical as std, little big for ublox and certainly for TQFP - the 0.2mm is spot on, see pic further up
[17:27] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/4zgwPd1.jpg
[17:27] <chrisstubbs> yeah that one looks good
[17:28] <Hix> thats yer man http://goo.gl/du0Jl
[17:29] <chrisstubbs> can it be left on for a few mins without the tip turning to crusty black crap?
[17:29] <Hix> yup - ages
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> :)
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> think i will pass on the tweezers
[17:30] <chrisstubbs> reccomended size for chisel?
[17:30] <Randomskk> don't leave it on for ages :( :( and always tin the tip before you put it back!
[17:32] <Hix> i got the top one think 5mm just to heat the braid up quickly
[17:32] <Hix> I always tin the tip after every use, easy to wipe before you go
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> same, but that dosent seem to be enough on my £20 maplin one
[17:33] <chrisstubbs> get what you pay for, been in need of a proper one for ages
[17:33] <Hix> to be fair the aoyue comes up to temp really quick and has indicator so turning off isn't really an issue
[17:33] <Hix> i had an old nail before, it was shocking
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[17:35] <chrisstubbs> Hix 5mm or 0.5mm?
[17:36] <Hix> 5
[17:36] <Hix> figured a big tip would heat the braid up and absorb solder qithout passing too much heat into the components
[17:36] <Hix> but someone more knowledgable could advise otherwise
[17:37] <chrisstubbs> ah ok fair enough
[17:37] <chrisstubbs> sod it im gonna get that iron, a 0.2mm conical a 3mm chisel
[17:38] <Hix> 7z finished - remote install coming up [after a few sunday evening ales]
[17:38] <Hix> no LCD = mor bits :)
[17:38] <Hix> more
[17:46] <Hix> right - time for some sunday evening booze, cheers for the VM chrisstubbs and craag for the info on hourly
[17:46] <Hix> bbl
[17:50] <chrisstubbs> no probs, cheers for the iron tips
[17:50] <chrisstubbs> if you pardon the pun
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[17:55] <Hix> :D - quick one - is there a std login fo rthe centos vm?
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> yes i meant to send you that
[17:55] <chrisstubbs> pm
[17:55] <Hix> np cheers
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[18:17] <mattbrejza> fsphil: i made those chnages btw
[18:18] <mattbrejza> although not uploaded yet
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[18:27] <NigelMoby> mattbrejz that apps brill, good job.
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[18:37] <mattbrejza> :)
[18:37] <mattbrejza> anyone got the decoder working yet? :P
[18:38] <NigeyS-tab> Yup
[18:38] <mattbrejza> ah nice
[18:38] <NigeyS-tab> Even got some decodes without a splitter cable
[18:39] <chrisstubbs> rtty decoder app?
[18:39] <mattbrejza> it would seem someone has already managed to crash it though
[18:39] <craag> mattbrejza: I have :D
[18:39] <craag> (crashed it)
[18:39] <mattbrejza> 'java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException'
[18:40] <mattbrejza> at least it tells me
[18:40] <mattbrejza> very useful
[18:40] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brejza.matt.habmodem
[18:40] <mattbrejza> craag: what were you doing when it crashed?
[18:41] <craag> Nothing visible on decoder screen as it wasn't recognising the mic input. Pressed the 'Active' button which was showing a pause symbol. It crashed.
[18:41] <mattbrejza> yea that makes sense
[18:41] <mattbrejza> it doesnt decode until you unpause it btw
[18:41] <mattbrejza> not that it seems to work for you :P
[18:42] <chrisstubbs> Wow that looks great!
[18:42] <NigeyS-tab> I like the auto detect for the rtty mode
[18:42] <chrisstubbs> not compatible with my Desire HD, but i shall get Domlin to try it
[18:42] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: not on the mailing list then?
[18:42] <mattbrejza> chrisstubbs: it doesnt like android 2.x, can you upgrade it?
[18:43] <mattbrejza> yea auto detecting rtty isnt that har
[18:43] <mattbrejza> d
[18:43] <NigeyS-tab> Root it :-)
[18:43] <chrisstubbs> Ahhh im only 2.3.5 :(
[18:44] <chrisstubbs> the UKHAS google groups mailing list?
[18:45] <mattbrejza> yea
[18:46] <chrisstubbs> Im on that, must have just missed the email!
[18:46] <chrisstubbs> thinking back i do remember mention of the app
[18:46] <mattbrejza> last night's email
[18:48] <mattbrejza> craag: does it do that every time?
[18:48] <chrisstubbs> Im on the daily, so i will probably get that one tonight :P
[18:49] <mattbrejza> oh i see
[18:49] <craag> mattbrejza: Yes, on both of my devices. Briefly flashes up 'Searching..' then crashes
[18:49] <mattbrejza> most odd
[18:49] <mattbrejza> whats the over device?
[18:49] <craag> Tablet: 1st gen kindle fire Phone: htc desire x
[18:50] <craag> I'll resend a crash report from both if that'd help
[18:51] <mattbrejza> er might as well if thats not too much trouble
[18:51] <mattbrejza> just need to recreate it so i can step through
[18:52] <W0OTM-Home> Well, the iHAB Team lost its first payload
[18:52] Nick change: W0OTM-Home -> W0OTM
[18:52] <W0OTM> we searched for 4 hours, and nothing heard or found
[18:52] <W0OTM> Post flight updates: http://www.ihabproject.com/iHAB-9/
[18:53] <NigeyS-tab> Oh dear'
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[18:55] <craag> mattbrejza: Done. The crashes appear to happen at slightly different points actually. One before the screens updates, the other after. But that may just be OS related (ICS/Jellybean)
[18:56] <mattbrejza> thanks craag
[18:57] <mattbrejza> ha theyre both differnet
[18:58] <craag> well it's your lucky day, ask for 1 bug, get 1 free ;)
[18:58] <mattbrejza> great...
[18:58] <mattbrejza> one is easily fixable though
[18:58] <mattbrejza> but need to work out why its happening
[18:59] <NigeyS-tab> Gremlins
[19:02] <craag> Btw, I'm having issues with telemetry being 'R$PAYLOAD..' instead of '$$PAYLOAD..' at faster baudrates, has anybody seen this before? The rest of the string is intact, and it works at slower baudrates.
[19:03] <mattbrejza> try adding some null (0x00) characters beforehard to sync the decoder?
[19:06] <Randomskk> (or indeed any chars - more $s works too)
[19:06] <craag> Does the checksum only include the last 2 $$s?
[19:06] <craag> *2 $s
[19:06] <Randomskk> $s aren't included in the checksum
[19:07] <mattbrejza> doesnt include any
[19:07] <craag> Dang, forgot that... well that makes it easy, thanks :D
[19:08] <craag> Fixed, cheers.
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[19:28] <mattbrejza> craag: one down...
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[19:35] <Upu> hey US/euro peeps who use APRS, what do you use for the APRS antenna on a payload ?
[19:35] <Upu> is a slim jim ok ?
[19:38] <eroomde> i used a slimjim for aprs once, not on a flight vehicle but i'd have thought it would be good on a hab for all the same reasons its good elsewhere
[19:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: J-pole from 300 ohm cable
[19:38] <Upu> dangling below ?
[19:38] <SP9UOB_Tom> yup
[19:38] <Upu> I made a slim jim from twin feeder
[19:38] <Upu> cool thx
[19:39] <eroomde> also, back
[19:39] <Upu> wb eroomde
[19:39] <Upu> good trip ?
[19:40] <eroomde> yus
[19:40] <eroomde> tho v tired
[19:40] <eroomde> trying to force myself to uk time
[19:41] <chrisstubbs> My VM image is uploaded at long last: http://hourly.chris-stubbs.co.uk/
[19:41] <Upu> going to be fun
[19:41] <Upu> what time is it ? 2pm ?
[19:42] <eroomde> yep
[19:42] <eroomde> luch was bad
[19:42] <eroomde> awakeish now
[19:42] <eroomde> but still tired as didnt sleep on the flight
[19:42] <Upu> back at work tomorrow ?
[19:42] <fsphil> sleeping on flights is difficult
[19:43] <Upu> I can't do it
[19:43] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4iF6anrqw @11:39 - my antena :-)
[19:43] <fsphil> I managed only a little bit
[19:43] <eroomde> Upu: yup
[19:43] <eroomde> bright and early
[19:43] <eroomde> 6am drive up to oxford
[19:43] <eroomde> or 10pm in body time
[19:43] <Upu> lol SP9UOB_Tom
[19:43] <Upu> I need to screen shot the single frame its in :)
[19:45] <fsphil> do be careful eroomde
[19:46] <eroomde> sunlight to the rescue i suspect
[19:47] <nick_> eroomde: are you back yet?
[19:47] <fsphil> sunlight?
[19:47] <fsphil> you really have been gone a while :)
[19:47] <eroomde> nick_: yes
[19:47] <nick_> Cool, want to get a beer during the latter half of this week?
[19:48] <eroomde> yes please
[19:48] <eroomde> shall i ping simon spiro too?
[19:48] <nick_> yes
[19:48] <eroomde> cool
[19:48] <nick_> I'm hoping I'll return to sanity on Wednesday, so Wednesday/Friday/the weekend would be good for me.
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[19:50] <eroomde> i might be delagged better towards the end of the week too
[19:50] <nick_> I'm currently going crazy about an interview.
[19:51] <eroomde> where?
[19:51] <nick_> Here
[19:51] <nick_> A position at one of the college
[19:51] <nick_> s
[19:52] <eroomde> jrf type thing?
[19:53] <nick_> yes
[19:53] <nick_> exactly
[19:53] <eroomde> nice
[19:53] <eroomde> can understand your feeling :)
[19:56] <nick_> But ignorning that my student is getting my detector working
[19:56] Action: SP9UOB_Tom 's 1.8V tracker is running 30 hours and still have 1.35V on single Energizer Lithium AA
[19:57] <nick_> So it would be really cool if we could attempt to launch it while he's around.
[19:57] <griffonbot> Received email: Philip Crump "[UKHAS] Re: HABrotate v0.5"
[19:58] <craag> mattbrejza: Great! Hopefully I can get the audio-in working later.
[19:59] <Upu> once they start to drop past 1.1 you have about 30 mins left
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[20:00] <Upu> ta craag
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[20:02] <SP9UOB_Tom> Upu: thanks
[20:04] <PaulROB> evening folks, quick question on the ntx2 if anyone can help. when using the sample code and circuit layout for the ntx2 i get a carrier shift of over 700, but when i integrate that code into the full tracker program, i get a shift of only 120. anyone ever experienced that? im running it on a mega
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[20:07] <eroomde> 'the' sample code?
[20:08] <PaulROB> sorry, from ukhas http://www.ukhas.org.uk/guides:linkingarduinotontx2
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[20:10] <eroomde> thanks
[20:10] <eroomde> that sounds odd
[20:10] <PaulROB> when i just run that code, i can get the test text back fine with a shift of about 700, but when i use it to feed the payload data, my shift drops to about 120. cant figure out why
[20:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> Lunar_Lander http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JziENuJ8eQw :-)
[20:11] <eroomde> no changes in the physical circuit, just the software?
[20:11] <PaulROB> thats right, no change, i can upload both sets of code to the mega and replicate the results
[20:12] <eroomde> what's additional in the full tracker program?
[20:13] <PaulROB> just pulling data from the gps, formatting the string and passing this string through the rtty code.
[20:14] <eroomde> how spooky. mind uploaded both sets of code to pastebin.com?
[20:14] <PaulROB> on the smaller shift i can still decode the rtty,
[20:14] <PaulROB> sure
[20:16] <mattbrejza> btw craag what device did you only send the error report for once?
[20:16] <daveake> Check that the output(s) are being set as such
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[20:17] <eroomde> yes i was wandering if the pins have been reconfigured to tristate or something
[20:17] <eroomde> by some magic arduino function behind the scenes
[20:17] <PaulROB> full code http://pastebin.com/vgFH9TtC ukhas code http://pastebin.com/rpFY3tXf
[20:18] <PaulROB> kinda butchered at the moment, need to tidy up a good bit
[20:19] <eroomde> #define radiopin 7
[20:19] <eroomde> #define radiopin 13
[20:19] <eroomde> you told me it was physically indentical between the two :)
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> hi OZ1SKY_Brian
[20:19] <Lunar_Lander> that is really old
[20:20] <PaulROB> yeah, i moved the pin down
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[20:22] <craag> mattbrejza: Probably htc desire x. I wrote each device in the crash report comment if you can see that.
[20:22] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[20:22] <mattbrejza> so you did, i only noticed the stack trace
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[20:23] <eroomde> so much for that
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[20:24] <eroomde> PaulROB: do you have the same issue if you keep the radio on pin13?
[20:25] <daveake> Pin 13? Is that the one with the LED on it?
[20:25] <PaulROB> yes, its the same issue,
[20:25] <PaulROB> yes, 13 has the led
[20:26] <daveake> I'd not use that; just increases your power consumption for no benefit :)
[20:26] <PaulROB> thats why i moved to 7
[20:27] <daveake> Anyway you need PinMode
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[20:28] <eroomde> not really sure off the top of my head
[20:28] <daveake> pinMode even. http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/DigitalPins
[20:29] <PaulROB> its an odd one
[20:29] <eroomde> i'm a bit pooped after travel. my instinct is that it might be to do with how the io is set, especially re pullups or tristate or whatever
[20:30] <eroomde> what daveake says
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[20:30] <PaulROB> ill do a bit of digging on that, cheers guys
[20:31] <craag> Did anyone get the RFM22 temperature sensor working in the end?
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[20:31] <daveake> eroomde You going to the Oxford Geeks night on 13th March? They're having a Pi night.
[20:32] <eroomde> sounds fun. hadn't heard about it but may do
[20:32] <SP9UOB_Tom> craag: i have
[20:32] <daveake> I'm going (not doing a talk - they've got a full set already)
[20:32] <daveake> The Uptons will be there
[20:32] <daveake> They can bring my pre-production Pi camera :p
[20:33] <craag> SP9UOB_Tom: Do you have any code I could take a peek at? I'm just getting garbage values at the moment.
[20:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> craag: rfm22_write(0x0f,0b00000000);
[20:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> rfm22_write(0x12,0b00100000);
[20:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> rfm22_write(0x13,0b00000000);
[20:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> rfm22_write(0x13,0xe8); // -12
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> and then
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> int rfm22_read_temp (void) {
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> long int temp;
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> rfm22_write(0x0f,0b10000000);
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> temp=(int)rfm22_read(0x11);
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> temp=temp>>1L;
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> temp=temp-64;
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> printf ("RFM22 read_temp = %ld\r\n",temp);
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> return ((int)temp);
[20:34] <SP9UOB_Tom> }
[20:34] <craag> SP9UOB_Tom: Thanks, next time PM instead of spamming the channel :)
[20:35] <eroomde> better, pastebin.com
[20:35] <craag> mm
[20:35] <eroomde> copying code into irc is a netiquette nono
[20:35] <eroomde> of say >4 lines anyway
[20:35] <SP9UOB_Tom> im doing 4 things in parallel
[20:36] <craag> SP9UOB_Tom: Thank you very much though, I'll trawl through and see what I'm getting wrong.
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[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> or instead of pastebin use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:37] <eroomde> no
[20:37] <eroomde> NEVER do that
[20:37] <Lunar_Lander> why?
[20:38] <eroomde> everything you know and love will cease to be
[20:38] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[20:40] <fsphil> you wouldn't want to give ubuntu all your secrets would you
[20:45] <lz1dev> recently tried to install ubuntu
[20:46] <lz1dev> took 1 hour after which crashed a few times
[20:47] <chrisstubbs> I dont get the new ubuntu, it all seems to heavy
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[20:52] <Lunar_Lander> chrisstubbs, version 13.04?
[20:53] <fsphil> I'm loving the MATE desktop. I didn't realise how much I missed being able to put shortcuts on the top of the screen
[20:54] <fsphil> and a task bar at the bottom
[20:54] <fsphil> lovely
[20:54] <craag> SP9UOB_Tom: I hadn't set up one of the registers in the init, thanks. Although I can't get the output to change from 25 degrees (199 raw).
[20:55] <chrisstubbs> i still like 9.11 haha
[20:57] <lz1dev> chrisstubbs: fluxbox is all you need
[21:03] <Randomskk> awesomewm
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[21:12] <Upu> did PaulROB get sorted ?
[21:18] <arko> >_<
[21:18] <arko> so this is what happens when you leave your hab at a hackerspace http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEXadventure
[21:19] <Geoff-G8DHE_> :-)
[21:19] <arko> even after i asked people to not move it.. as it has parts that could get damaged since it's not connected
[21:20] <arko> i mean tied down and all
[21:20] <arko> but at the same time i love these sort of pranks
[21:20] <Upu> thats a big box arko
[21:20] <arko> it has lots of stuff
[21:20] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Just think where he's likely to head once he is made free on the wind!
[21:20] <arko> well, the it has tie down points inside
[21:21] <arko> so it can survive the eroomde test
[21:21] <fsphil> lol, scientology
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> lmao
[21:22] <arko> that hab did have a nice journey
[21:22] <Upu> lol didn't notice that :)
[21:23] <arko> "Next was a stop to a gay sex shop. HABEX likes the cock and felt Arko was not enough for him"
[21:23] <arko> you know your friends love you when...
[21:23] <chrisstubbs> Brilliant.
[21:24] <fsphil> PETA - people eat tasty animals
[21:24] <arko> haha
[21:25] <arko> yeah
[21:25] <Upu> hey arko are you still planning on coming over to our sunny shores ?
[21:25] <arko> yep :)
[21:25] <arko> planning it out in the coming weeks
[21:25] <Upu> rgr
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[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> I want to go to the UK too
[21:25] <Upu> conference planning time
[21:25] <Upu> you have to come Kevin
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> maybe I can finally come to the conference this time
[21:25] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[21:26] <fsphil> totally
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[21:26] <Upu> I'll see if we can arrange it round Arko
[21:26] <Upu> because unless Darkside is coming he's winning futhest travelled
[21:27] <arko> hah
[21:27] <fsphil> made of mine has one of those little shirt microphones
[21:27] <fsphil> made/mate
[21:27] <Lunar_Lander> arko, ROFL the town tour
[21:27] <Upu> I'm going to sort the streaming out this year
[21:27] <Upu> promises
[21:27] <Upu> evening wd9hzu
[21:27] <fsphil> I'll bring the camera too
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[21:27] <Upu> Even if i have to go to the venue the day before and check stuff out
[21:28] <fsphil> wireless mic fails if there are two speakers :)
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[21:28] <fsphil> yea I'm gonna fly over earlier this time
[21:28] <fsphil> spend a bit of time doing other stuff
[21:28] <fsphil> maybe get a flight in
[21:28] <Upu> yeah
[21:28] <fsphil> I'm sure there's plenty of places I've not seen
[21:29] <Randomskk> maybe we should have a more extensive london pub tour post-conference ;)
[21:29] <fsphil> that was a good spot we went to last year
[21:29] <fsphil> though very busy
[21:29] <Randomskk> indeed
[21:29] <arko> sweet
[21:30] <arko> i'll get you guys some dates very soon
[21:30] <Upu> I preferred last one
[21:30] <Upu> more time to speak to people
[21:30] <fsphil> agreed
[21:30] <Randomskk> yup
[21:30] <fsphil> also fewer stairs
[21:30] <Randomskk> hehe
[21:30] <Upu> this much is true
[21:30] <fsphil> though that old building looked great
[21:31] <fsphil> the brick wall was a nice background to the videos
[21:31] <Upu> last year was walking distance to my bed :)
[21:31] <Randomskk> the badges were very cool but I'm not sure how you improve on that
[21:31] <fsphil> I failed regarding distance to hotel
[21:31] <fsphil> but it was a very nice hotel
[21:31] <Upu> I enjoyed making those
[21:31] <fsphil> mesh network of badges
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[21:31] <fsphil> with rfm22bs
[21:32] <arko> the brick wall did look awesome
[21:32] <Upu> :)
[21:32] <arko> oh man, we've done electronic badges here in the states
[21:32] <arko> for Layerone
[21:32] <arko> not sure if you guys have heard of that conference
[21:32] <Upu> it wasn't anything super compex
[21:32] <Upu> complex
[21:32] <Upu> basically just an Arduino Pro
[21:32] <Upu> very minimal
[21:32] <chrisstubbs> I will definitely be at the conference this time round, and try and drag Domlin along with me
[21:32] <fsphil> I've not made mine yet
[21:33] <Upu> with pads for NTX2 & RFM22B
[21:33] <Upu> don't think anyones flown one yet
[21:34] <arko> oh very cool
[21:34] <eroomde> arko: yo
[21:34] <arko> :)
[21:34] <arko> sup eroomde!
[21:34] <arko> back home?
[21:34] <eroomde> yup
[21:35] <arko> nice!
[21:35] <arko> see what they did with the hab you helped me bring back?
[21:35] <eroomde> nope?
[21:36] <arko> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEXadventure
[21:37] <eroomde> you must be delighted
[21:37] <arko> at first i was pissed
[21:37] <arko> but very quickly i lol'd
[21:38] <arko> the radio inside is not the final flight radio
[21:38] <arko> it's a proto that wasn't even tied down
[21:39] <Randomskk> hey ed have you seen/used PyMC?
[21:39] <arko> >_> i just cant trust them anymore
[21:40] <Randomskk> I'd heard about it but never actually used it until today, but found [*] which covers using it for a load of use cases and also draws nice graphs
[21:40] <Randomskk> https://github.com/CamDavidsonPilon/Probabilistic-Programming-and-Bayesian-Methods-for-Hackers
[21:40] <Laurenceb_> rofl arko
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/File:HABEXrr.jpg
[21:41] <Laurenceb_> oh dear
[21:41] <eroomde> Randomskk: oh nice
[21:41] <eroomde> thanks
[21:42] <arko> they gave it love
[21:42] <Randomskk> it looks really really nice. in that you just tell it your model with some easy happy functions and press "go" and ta-da
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> ewww
[21:42] <Randomskk> but also he draws some great charts with matplotlib
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> hehe .la
[21:42] <Laurenceb_> like that touch
[21:43] <arko> :)
[21:43] <arko> 032.la
[21:43] <arko> nullspace
[21:45] <Randomskk> http://nbviewer.ipython.org/urls/raw.github.com/CamDavidsonPilon/Probabilistic-Programming-and-Bayesian-Methods-for-Hackers/master/Chapter2_MorePyMC/MorePyMC.ipynb
[21:45] <Randomskk> in particular
[21:45] <eroomde> Randomskk: i did see that general link about ipython notebook examples
[21:45] <eroomde> fergus hooked me onto it in SF
[21:45] <Randomskk> ipython notebook <3 <3
[21:45] <arko> that ipython thing is neat
[21:45] <Randomskk> have been using that for courseworks
[21:45] <Randomskk> arko: if you thought ipython was good, try ipython notebook
[21:45] <arko> ipython notebook i mean
[21:46] <eroomde> i showed it to him super briefly at the LA hackerspace
[21:46] <Randomskk> it's sooo nice
[21:46] <arko> eroomde showed me
[21:46] <arko> yeah
[21:46] <Randomskk> being able to edit small chunks of your code and rerun is perfect
[21:46] <arko> going to use it from now on
[21:46] <Randomskk> it's the perfect mix of an interactive console and actually writing a script
[21:46] <Randomskk> amazing for iterating when playingw ith data
[21:46] <eroomde> i shall be making it my lover too
[21:46] <Randomskk> if you go to Out[64] in that link ^, nice
[21:47] <Randomskk> they plot an average posterior for probability of a shuttle o-ring failing with temperature
[21:47] <Randomskk> but also drew on a distribution by just donig a scatter at each x value of samples
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> root your phone they said, its easy they said...
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> stuck on the HTC logo now :(
[21:51] <nigelvh> Break out the JTAG!
[21:51] <chrisstubbs> lol
[21:52] <eroomde> it's a good time to be nerding
[21:52] <arko> haha
[21:52] <eroomde> my resolution now i'm back is to work a bit better for fewer hours and get my linear algebra better
[21:52] <eroomde> it underpins so much and yet mine is ropey.
[21:53] <arko> what part of linear?
[21:53] <eroomde> all of it
[21:54] <eroomde> well, so for example, i was at a lecture in berkeley with some friends on high demensional estimation problems
[21:54] <arko> oh fun
[21:54] <Upu> hey craag : Github noted will log issues there from now on
[21:54] <eroomde> and the girl said triumphantly that some L-0 norm criteria was the same as some L1-norm criteria if and only if this matrix was in the nullspace of that one
[21:55] <eroomde> and a few people in the audience gasped with delight
[21:55] <arko> haha
[21:55] <eroomde> and i spent 35 mins with a pencil and paper trying to re-remember exactly what that means
[21:55] <Upu> whirlycoconuts994@vmcus23714-2.claranet.pt wants to be able to chat with you. Okay?
[21:55] <Upu> err no
[21:55] <eroomde> i need it to be intuitive basically, as i wouldn't have realised that myselfd
[21:55] <Randomskk> eroomde: on my amazon books wishlist is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linear-Algebra-Right-Undergraduate-Mathematics/dp/0387982582
[21:56] <Randomskk> which is apparently really really good
[21:56] <arko> Upu: dude, gmail has been doing that to me lately
[21:56] <eroomde> i've heard that
[21:56] <arko> getting tired of it
[21:56] <arko> Randomskk: that title is really reassuring
[21:57] <Randomskk> though I'm thinking of getting The Visual Display of Quantitative Information first.
[21:57] <eroomde> Randomskk: i am gonna do this one
[21:57] <eroomde> http://joshua.smcvt.edu/linearalgebra/
[21:57] <eroomde> i hear good things about i too
[21:58] <Randomskk> cool, bookmarked
[21:58] <Randomskk> I still have all my notes on linalg from 2nd year which were fairly good, but not really comprehensive enough
[21:58] <eroomde> no indeed
[21:59] <Randomskk> having said that being in the right headspace seems more important when grasping most of the concepts
[21:59] <Randomskk> headspace, hah
[21:59] <Randomskk> we did L2 norms more properly in robust control than in any actual maths
[21:59] <Randomskk> and that was mainly just to compare with H-infinity norms
[21:59] <eroomde> yesexactly, and the linear algebra deep intutiion seems to be super important there
[21:59] <Randomskk> totally
[21:59] <Randomskk> it's all linear algebra in multivariate control
[21:59] <eroomde> in as far as stuff can just look like noise unless you're really up on what you can do with matrices
[22:00] <Randomskk> and a lot of the questions require figuring out those fun matrix tricks
[22:00] <eroomde> and i'm about to dive back into optimal control for work so i want to get this all tight
[22:00] <arko> woah awesome
[22:00] <Randomskk> in the end I didn't do the optimal control module :(
[22:00] <Randomskk> only robust&nonlinear
[22:00] <arko> optimal control is my favorite field
[22:00] <Randomskk> jon's doing optimal&predictive too and apparently it's a bit intensive
[22:01] <arko> and optimal state estimation
[22:01] <Randomskk> but I'm doing the machine learning course by rasmussen instead which is very excellent
[22:01] <eroomde> it was the hardest module i did
[22:01] <Randomskk> hah
[22:01] <Randomskk> check out this lecture slide from machine learning
[22:01] <Randomskk> it was so silly I had to take a photo
[22:01] <Randomskk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yl14lk0gf3xv8fw/2013-02-14%2010.04.33.jpg
[22:01] <arko> wat
[22:02] <arko> let me guess, this is a pure math class
[22:02] <Randomskk> not even
[22:02] <Randomskk> this is my machine learning module
[22:02] <arko> christ
[22:02] <eroomde> http://www.amazon.com/Optimal-Control-Theory-Introduction-Engineering/dp/0486434842
[22:02] <eroomde> cheap!
[22:02] <Randomskk> that ^ is a summary of message passing for the trueskill model on a factor graph
[22:02] <Randomskk> kinda like belief propagation
[22:02] <arko> eroomde: That is the best book ever
[22:02] <Randomskk> it's how xbox live sorts out who to match you against for instance
[22:03] <arko> very cool
[22:03] <eroomde> arko: you like it?
[22:03] <eroomde> cool
[22:03] <arko> yes
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[22:03] <arko> let me get you a list when i get home
[22:03] <eroomde> i would buy it now but it would opress me even more
[22:03] <eroomde> from the pile of unread textbooks
[22:03] <arko> i have a few recommendations
[22:03] <eroomde> ok cool
[22:03] <arko> yeah, my pile is scary, i really should read them
[22:03] <arko> but i only do when im trying to solve a problem involving the subject
[22:04] <arko> even then i usually just google
[22:04] <eroomde> so by summer i want to bosh off this book on linear algebra, SICP, and Concepts in Thermodynamics
[22:04] <Randomskk> I like having a chapter of a textbook to read through
[22:04] <Randomskk> but getting through a whole book can be a bit of a slog
[22:04] <Randomskk> and you really want to be doing examples and working along
[22:04] <eroomde> these are all books that i want to do the whole thing^
[22:04] <arko> im actually making progress on RPE
[22:05] <Randomskk> sicp is on my list
[22:05] <eroomde> other textbooks are on the list just for chapters
[22:05] <eroomde> yeah, i have no excuses
[22:05] <eroomde> just need to do it
[22:06] <arko> thats the MIT book right?
[22:06] <arko> ah just googled it, yep
[22:06] <eroomde> maybe i will get optimal control theory now...
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[22:13] <eroomde> ordered
[22:13] <eroomde> better blast through this linalg then
[22:14] <Randomskk> :P
[22:14] <eroomde> might get that 2nd monitor i've been saving up for too
[22:15] <Randomskk> 2nd monitor's a great idea :P
[22:15] <nigelvh> Couldn't live without a second monitor.
[22:15] <eroomde> i've had to for financial reasons
[22:15] <nigelvh> That happens I suppose.
[22:15] <arko> hah
[22:15] <eroomde> but my current feeling is what's an extra few hundred dollars ontop of the USA holiday credit card bill
[22:15] <arko> then it will be third and fourth and so on
[22:16] <eroomde> 2 will do for now
[22:16] <arko> http://iheartwallstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/operator-wall-street.jpg
[22:16] <Randomskk> what sizes?
[22:16] <arko> eroomde in 3 years ^
[22:16] <Randomskk> I'm still tempted by that ergotron thing
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[22:16] <eroomde> another dell u2410
[22:16] <eroomde> to match the current
[22:16] <arko> nice
[22:16] <Randomskk> but I realised my desk at home and uni has very little space behind it, which might be a big issue
[22:16] <Upu> people still have PC's with one monitor ?
[22:16] <Upu> how quaint
[22:16] <Randomskk> also it's like twice the cost of a new monitor
[22:16] <eroomde> yes i would like an ergotronamajigger too
[22:16] <arko> i just use my laptop and one external monitor
[22:17] <nigelvh> I bought my pair about five years back. Two 22" Samsung ones.
[22:17] <Randomskk> nigelvh: yea, I got my two 24" samsungs about four years ago
[22:17] <Randomskk> very happy but
[22:17] <Randomskk> CFLs are kinda heavy and big
[22:17] <Randomskk> I mean I know they're still LCDs and all
[22:17] <Randomskk> but new LED LCDs are sooo light and thin
[22:17] <nigelvh> Haha
[22:18] <eroomde> hmm, free delivery by wednesday
[22:18] <arko> prime <3
[22:18] <Randomskk> arko: in the UK, we get free 2-day delivery without prime :P
[22:18] <arko> damn
[22:18] <Randomskk> prime gets you free next-morning delivery on late-night items though
[22:18] <Randomskk> which is also nice
[22:18] <arko> :O
[22:18] <arko> woah
[22:19] <Randomskk> UK's a lot smaller
[22:19] <Randomskk> that said aiui amazon's US operations are working on same-day and next-day delivery
[22:19] <Randomskk> now they've started actually paying in-state sales tax
[22:20] <arko> ahh
[22:20] <eroomde> BOOM
[22:21] <eroomde> should be here on wednesday
[22:21] <Randomskk> plenty of time to become an expert at linalg
[22:21] <nigelvh> WOOT
[22:21] <arko> eroomde: no sleeping
[22:21] <eroomde> i don;t need to be an expert on linalg for the 2nd monitor
[22:21] <eroomde> it's the monitor i just bought
[22:21] <eroomde> not the control book
[22:21] <arko> ohhh
[22:21] <eroomde> i did just buy that too
[22:21] <arko> derp
[22:22] <nigelvh> Monitor will change your life.
[22:22] <eroomde> so i shall now have a matched pair of nice IPS 24" monitors
[22:22] <eroomde> no more switching between schematic and layout
[22:22] <nigelvh> Those dell monitors *are* nice.
[22:22] <eroomde> or code window and docs
[22:22] <eroomde> or youtube 1 and youtube 2
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Decker-Li-Ion-Performance-Compact/dp/B005S3ZVG2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_diy_3 sort of related to amazon
[22:23] <SpeedEvil> recommended
[22:24] <eroomde> i've spent enough just now
[22:24] <SpeedEvil> YouTube 1 and 2 - cats and Russian dashcams?
[22:24] <eroomde> and don;t really need a corless drill
[22:24] <eroomde> SpeedEvil: exacty
[22:24] <arko> eroomde: the world will be different now
[22:24] <eroomde> i know
[22:25] <eroomde> it's gonna make me sooooo productive i shall write blog posts about productivity
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[22:25] <arko> hehe
[22:25] <eroomde> and then throw my readers with my curveball style with titles like
[22:25] <eroomde> Why You Should Work In A Coffee Shop At Least 3 Hours A Day
[22:25] <Randomskk> (Even If You Have An OfficE)
[22:25] <eroomde> How I Changed My View Of The World When I Helped A Homeless Man
[22:26] <Randomskk> "Tips for Work-Life Balance"
[22:26] <eroomde> and other gauche and unselfaware SF poser-entrepeneur bollocks
[22:27] <eroomde> i do love that city very much, I should say :) but i did see some of this more grating end in coffee shops
[22:27] <eroomde> Tips For Work Life Balance always seem to be something inadvertendly funny, like 'learn Awk'
[22:28] <nigelvh> Tips for Work / Life Balance #1: Quit your job.
[22:28] <eroomde> :)
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[22:33] <SP9UOB_Tom> night all
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[22:40] <eroomde> right, must sleep now
[22:40] <eroomde> FEEL TIRED BODY
[22:40] <eroomde> I COMMAND IT
[22:40] <Upu> night eroomde
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[22:41] <nigelvh> Evening
[22:41] <arko> oh god, people at the office are playing country music
[22:41] <arko> i want to cry now
[22:41] <Upu> heh
[22:42] <eroomde> your adhd friend?
[22:42] <Upu> god bless america
[22:42] <arko> yes actually
[22:42] <Upu> bed eroomde :)
[22:42] <arko> does it hurt to put a drill into your ear?
[22:42] <arko> i'll find out
[22:42] <eroomde> might soothe the pain of the country
[22:42] <eroomde> just night
[22:42] <eroomde> night night night
[22:42] <arko> night
[22:42] <arko> go!
[22:42] <eroomde> going
[22:42] <eroomde> gone
[22:43] <daveake> Ah but nowhere else in music do you get lyrics as good as these ...
[22:43] <daveake> She thinks my tractor's sexy
[22:43] <daveake> It really turns her on
[22:43] <daveake> She's always staring at me
[22:43] <daveake> While I'm chuggin along
[22:43] <nigelvh> Country can be good.
[22:43] Action: eroomde is still here
[22:43] <nigelvh> I enjoy a good bit of it.
[22:43] <Randomskk> jetlag's a bummer huh
[22:43] Action: arko calls chanserv to kick eroomde
[22:43] <arko> it's like 2:43pm here
[22:44] <nigelvh> 14:44 to be exact
[22:44] <eroomde> it's 2.43pm in my head too
[22:44] <arko> hehe
[22:44] <arko> im wide awake doing hw :/
[22:44] <arko> err on irc
[22:44] <Randomskk> should have started on the west coast and moved east really :P
[22:44] <eroomde> not a nice idea from a weather pov
[22:45] <eroomde> was nice to start in down jacket and artic woolyhat and scraves round nose and cheeks and frost bite
[22:45] <Randomskk> I guess so
[22:45] <Randomskk> would have given you less jetlag :P
[22:45] <eroomde> and get towards 'hmm maybe i should put the roof of my convertible mustang up because i might get sunburn'
[22:45] <Randomskk> >_>
[22:45] <eroomde> firstworldproblems
[22:45] <Randomskk> was that a fun drive?
[22:45] <arko> eroomde: move to pasadena yo
[22:45] <eroomde> oh god yes
[22:46] <arko> easy solution
[22:46] <eroomde> so much fun
[22:46] <eroomde> and the radio was totally on form
[22:46] <eroomde> hotel california
[22:46] <arko> haha
[22:46] <eroomde> santa cruz you're not that far
[22:46] <eroomde> etc etc
[22:46] <eroomde> Randomskk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8476717507/in/set-72157632591417825
[22:47] <Randomskk> yes I saw
[22:47] <Randomskk> it came up on my flickr page
[22:47] <Randomskk> I was very jealous
[22:47] <eroomde> ah i forget you get force fed it anyway
[22:47] <eroomde> bonnet would make a ncie ground plane
[22:47] <eroomde> good chase mobile
[22:47] <eroomde> chasemobile*
[22:47] <eroomde> right anyway
[22:48] <eroomde> i am going
[22:48] <Randomskk> nn
[22:48] <arko> sure you are
[22:48] <griffonbot> Received email: gonzo_ "[UKHAS] Re: BONZO4 Launch Announcement - Sun 17th February - Dorset
[22:48] <nigelvh> We believe you
[22:48] <arko> totally
[22:52] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/vomQPUX.jpg
[22:53] <nigelvh> That better be an illustration of a nightmare you just had.
[22:54] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/W3LGPM4.jpg
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[22:58] <arko> mmm cookies
[22:58] <arko> does the uk have girl scout cookies?
[22:59] <Randomskk> not as such
[22:59] <chrisstubbs> not round here afaik
[22:59] <chrisstubbs> when i was in the scouts we made cookies if that counts...
[22:59] <arko> haha
[22:59] <arko> nah man, girl scout cookies in the us are like a thing
[22:59] <arko> they are really good
[22:59] <arko> my theory is that it's pure crack
[23:00] <nigelvh> I could agree with that.
[23:00] <nigelvh> Fucking thin mints...
[23:00] <arko> dude
[23:00] <arko> that at samoas
[23:00] <arko> god bless america
[23:00] <nigelvh> I also love those plain butter cookies
[23:00] <nigelvh> Forget what they call them.
[23:00] <arko> http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/crying-eagle3.gif
[23:01] <arko> oh yeah those
[23:01] <arko> agreed
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> had some of these earlier.. http://goo.gl/EbHa1
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> very good
[23:02] <arko> CHIPS
[23:02] <chrisstubbs> crisps
[23:02] <arko> chips
[23:03] <chrisstubbs> CHRISps
[23:03] <arko> CHIPs
[23:03] <arko> ARKOs?
[23:03] <arko> i dunno
[23:03] <Randomskk> crisps
[23:03] <nigelvh> Chips
[23:03] <arko> 50/50 now
[23:04] Nick change: nigelvh -> totallyanotherdu
[23:04] <totallyanotherdu> Chips
[23:04] <gonzo_> they are chrispy, so guess what they are called
[23:04] Nick change: totallyanotherdu -> nigelvh
[23:04] <nigelvh> Chips
[23:05] <gonzo_> chips have fluffy potatoe in. (Onless they are from fast food outlets, where they are made from dogs lips)
[23:05] <arko> damn
[23:06] <arko> no i need to walk over to the gas station down the street and get chips and a drink
[23:06] <nigelvh> Fries are fried
[23:06] <arko> err petrolstation?
[23:06] <chrisstubbs> chips are chipped
[23:06] <gonzo_> fires are what fas tood places call them, so that don't count
[23:06] <arko> yeah, you mine them
[23:06] <gonzo_> a chippie sells chips
[23:06] <arko> brb gettting chips
[23:07] <gonzo_> with fish, or a pie?
[23:07] <gonzo_> then there is what to put on chips....
[23:08] <gonzo_> salt and vinegar in uk, salt and sauce in scotland I've heard
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[23:08] <mfa298> salt and vinegar is the usual!
[23:08] <mfa298> damn, beaten to it.
[23:08] <gonzo_> my favourite, the north have iot right, chips 'n gravy
[23:09] <chrisstubbs> or chips 'n curry
[23:09] <gonzo_> oh yes, that propper gloopy curry sauce
[23:10] <chrisstubbs> yeah, it was kinda nice for the first few minuited
[23:10] <gonzo_> I have some of the mix for that. The local chinese shop do it
[23:10] <chrisstubbs> :O
[23:10] <mfa298> I'd tend to go with chips with something in batter.
[23:10] <gonzo_> goes nice with chips and a chicken pie actually
[23:11] <gonzo_> or on a savloy, makes it a bit germanic
[23:11] <gonzo_> I'm hungry now
[23:11] <chrisstubbs> i hope there are some more of those butter crisps downstairs...
[23:12] <mfa298> I suspect all the local chippys are closed now :(
[23:12] <gonzo_> some pizza/kebab places may be open. But not proper chips
[23:13] <chrisstubbs> the kebab place was actually voted to do the best chips in town near me
[23:14] <chrisstubbs> coincidentally the survey was run by the same scout group that used to make the cookies...
[23:15] <gonzo_> I remember the bbc R4 food program used to do a best in britain type search from time to time
[23:16] <chrisstubbs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xYW1meGBcg
[23:16] <gonzo_> the bext english breakfast was won by a road side van
[23:16] <gonzo_> truckers used to detour from all over to go there
[23:16] <gonzo_> (somewhere near frome. Suspect I'd used it at some stage)
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[23:17] <chrisstubbs> should get them in for the ukhas conference
[23:17] <chrisstubbs> im off, night all!
[23:18] <gonzo_> ditto gn
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[23:21] <arko> chips and energy drink aquired
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[23:37] <Lunar_Lander> hi nigelvh
[23:42] <nigelvh> Afternoon Lunar
[23:46] <Lunar_Lander> how are you?
[23:46] <nigelvh> Doing well. Enjoying a low key sunday afternoon.
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> that is good
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> I was rather shocked earlier
[23:47] <nigelvh> Yes?
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> I heard of a man who was born in a north korean concentration camp and was able to flee at age 23 and did know nothing about the world outside until a few weeks before his escape
[23:47] <Lunar_Lander> I saw a CBS interview with him
[23:48] <nigelvh> Yep
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> that was a cruel and amazing story
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> think of it
[23:48] <nigelvh> Unfortunately there are a number of places that aren't as nice as the UK or US are.
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> his drive was that he could eat grilled chicken
[23:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> but I am still puzzled
[23:49] <Lunar_Lander> you know his story?
[23:50] <nigelvh> Not the specifics.
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> his friend and he tried to run for the fence on Jan. 2, 2005
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> he fell on the snow, so his partner was on the fence first, threw himself on the bottom wire and was electrocuted
[23:50] <Lunar_Lander> and the other guy made it through by crawling over him
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> I was wondering about that
[23:51] <nigelvh> mmhmm
[23:51] <Lunar_Lander> because they say if someone is electrocuted in an accident, you shall not touch the person until the power is shut
[23:52] <nigelvh> Yes, that is generally true, however, a person is a relatively high resistance conductor, so you're less likely to be injured.
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> yea I wondered how they had planned it to get through together
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> they were sent to gather wood
[23:52] <Lunar_Lander> I don't know if an axe could have severed the wires
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> especially with high voltage on them
[23:54] <nigelvh> Perhaps, though it sounds more like his friend fell on the wire to begin with, so it doesn't seem that aspect was planned.
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> Shin, that was the name of the guy who escaped was planned to get to the fence first
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> but he slipped on the snowy gradient
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> so Park got there instead
[23:54] <Lunar_Lander> maybe it is in more detail in the book
[23:55] <Lunar_Lander> but as the author said at TEDx, Park should have guided them through to China as he studied in the USSR and knew the world "outside"
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