[00:02] <gonzo_> I should have 2mtrs avail in the car. So will see what we can do
[00:03] <gonzo_> what's your callsign btw?
[00:03] <mfa298> M1ARI
[00:04] <mfa298> Not sure if I'll be back before you launch but at least its an extra option
[00:04] <gonzo_> In reality I expect we are going to have to drive out for coverage to update the notam ansaphone message
[00:04] <gonzo_> worth keeping any options we can
[00:05] <DanielRichman> gonzo_: do you have the document id to hand?
[00:06] <gonzo_> nope, but will see if I can get
[00:06] <gonzo_> it's bonzo3 the 2nd itteration
[00:06] <gonzo_> Dorset launch
[00:07] <DanielRichman> the 10th feb launch?
[00:07] <gonzo_> yep
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[00:08] <DanielRichman> I approved it
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[00:09] <gonzo_> cheers, always takes me half an hour to even find the pages
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[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[00:26] <Lunar_Lander> what do the british think about "Eddie The Eagle"?
[00:28] <Hix> He's a WINNER ;p
[00:28] <nigelvh> Who is Eddie the Eagle?
[00:28] <Hix> though not as good as fanny schmeler
[00:29] <Hix> Olympic champion ski jumper
[00:29] <Hix> [ish]
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[00:29] <Lunar_Lander> he once had the british ski jumping record
[00:29] <Hix> well last but a champion of peoples hearts
[00:29] <Hix> probably did in the summer :)
[00:30] <Hix> Lunar_Lander: you're UTZ +1 how comes you're always on here so late?
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[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> you mean like at 1:30 am like it is now?
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> well sometimes I am up through the night
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> and in #sparkfun all the people from the US are up
[00:32] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[00:32] <Hix> ahh, ITZ for research
[00:33] <Hix> amazed there are nearly half the # of peeps on here as #sparkfun
[00:33] <mfa298> standard reasons tend to be student, engineer or IT for being up late
[00:33] <Hix> thought the difference would be huuugee
[00:34] <Hix> ich bin ingeneur von beruf
[00:34] <Hix> ich verstehe
[00:35] <Hix> Wow on youtube Eddie seems to have a lot of German clips
[00:35] <Hix> Lunar_Lander: is he popular in Germany?
[00:37] <Hix> ping gonzo_
[00:40] <gonzo_> eve
[00:41] <W0OTM> howdy
[00:44] <Hix> gonzo_: from my experience of climbing in that part of the world
[00:44] <Hix> even a phone signal is a ballache
[00:45] <Hix> ho W0OTM
[00:46] <Hix> or hi even
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[00:58] <Hix> just discovered whist searching for something in my gmail, that the 14th of feb is the day i discovered UKHAS
[00:59] <Hix> how amusing, bet g-f would be seriously impressed with that :D
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[01:09] <zyp> «what, you remember that anniversary, but you don't remember our anniversaries?»
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[01:12] <Lunar_Lander> Hix, no I once found him by chance on wikipedia
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[01:13] <Lunar_Lander> Kevin Keegan is popular here because he played for Hamburg once :)
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[01:16] <Hix> is that where he discovered his famous mullet?
[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> that I don't know sorry
[01:17] <Lunar_Lander> but I know that he inspired my parents to call me Kevin
[01:17] <Hix> Lunar_Lander: http://goo.gl/WvQe the Mullet
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> ah I see
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> Hamburg was 1977-1980
[01:18] <Lunar_Lander> so that might be
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[01:19] <Hix> :D
[01:23] <Hix> hey nigelvh found some OK sauce in the cupboard a few mins ago
[01:23] <Hix> bummer - i used all the bacon earlier tho
[01:24] <nigelvh> haha
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> oooh, rhantks for reminding me.
[01:24] <Hix> runnig out of bacon is no laughing matter
[01:24] <SpeedEvil> planned interruption to supply tomorrow
[01:24] <nigelvh> You sure it wasn't Mediocre Sauce, or Delicious Sauce. Just OK Sauce?
[01:25] Action: SpeedEvil has about 3kg of bacon, 25kg of various joints
[01:25] <Hix> OK [tm]
[01:25] <Hix> b-stard
[01:25] Action: Hix has none
[01:25] <nigelvh> I've got a bit left.
[01:26] <Hix> nor chicken, steak or for that matter anything other than ground beef
[01:26] <nigelvh> Ground beef = tacos. Tacos are AWESOME
[01:28] <Hix> Chilli
[01:28] <Hix> mmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:28] <Hix> or burgers
[01:28] <Hix> damn, no rolls
[01:29] <nigelvh> Chilli AND Tacos AND Burgers
[01:29] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH!
[01:29] <nigelvh> lol
[01:29] <Hix> well mexico ;p
[01:29] <SpeedEvil> no!
[01:30] <SpeedEvil> ground beef = pure horse
[01:30] <SpeedEvil> if you're Find us
[01:32] <Hix> heh
[01:33] <Hix> Findus refers to the advertised ingredients
[01:33] <Hix> always has
[01:33] <Hix> remember "Crispy Pancakes"
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[01:42] <SpeedEvil> I note that I'd have been quite happy to buy 150kg or so of the horseburgers cheap.
[01:45] <Randomskk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonsowman/8458714789
[01:45] <Randomskk> :D
[01:49] <Hix> Yagi sur la plage
[01:49] <Randomskk> :D
[01:52] <Hix> bit pants about the outcome though
[01:52] <Randomskk> yes! guess it overfilled or something
[01:52] <Hix> and Horizon went AWOL after landing
[01:52] <Randomskk> pretty sad
[01:52] <Randomskk> oh huh, that's annoying for them
[01:52] <SpeedEvil> why does that pic remind me of CSI?
[01:52] <Randomskk> we enjoyed ourselves (I'm eating french cheese right now) but it would have absolutely made our day to pick up the payload
[01:52] <Hix> they only had a duck in the chasecar
[01:52] <Lunar_Lander> SpeedEvil, Hix did you play on Findus having horse meat in the consumer products?
[01:53] <Hix> never
[01:53] <Hix> ;p
[01:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[01:53] <Hix> neigh
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[02:03] <Hix> are there any predictions for tomorrows launches on habhub?
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[02:12] <Hix> time for bed
[02:12] <Hix> night
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[04:08] <arko> Evening
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[04:55] <eroomde> anyone around?
[04:56] <SpeedEvil> no
[04:56] <SpeedEvil> damn,
[04:57] Action: SpeedEvil is researching wireless power,
[04:57] <SpeedEvil> after seeing the price of qi chargers, and going 'how much?'
[05:02] <arko> yes
[05:03] <arko> trying to figure out how to make it back to earth on almost no fuel
[05:06] <arko> hows sf eroomde?
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[05:13] <arko> im watching Apollo 13 for the 100th time to get ideas
[05:13] <arko> I need to go through my slide rule collection to pick the slide rule that will take us home
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[05:23] <arko> ha!
[05:23] <arko> found a bug
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[05:28] <eroomde> arko: sf is great, been in napa today
[05:29] <eroomde> am entering a food coma infact
[05:29] <eroomde> just driving back
[05:29] <eroomde> mega sleep needed
[05:29] Action: SpeedEvil contemplates a small pizza portion.
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[05:32] <arko> yikes
[05:32] <arko> drive safe
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[06:35] <arko> we can't stop here... this is wine country
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[09:13] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Daniels "RE: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement - Sunday 10th February - Bonzo3 - Dorset"
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[09:33] <griffonbot> Received email: Adrian Hicks "Re: [UKHAS] Launch Announcement - Sunday 10th February - Bonzo3 - Dorset"
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[09:40] <Hix> "This line signalises to the
[09:40] <Hix> processor that the charger
[09:40] <Hix> is connected." what a word!!!
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[09:42] <lz1dev> fancy
[09:44] <Darkside> signalizes
[09:45] <bertrik> its a perfectly cromulent word
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[09:54] <Hix> on a psec sheet if it states "if unused, keep pin open" does thast imply tie it to gnd, vcc or just don't connect it?
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[09:56] <bertrik> I'd interpret that as "don't connect"
[09:56] <Hix> ok ta
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[10:49] <Upu> ping craag
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[10:52] <Geoff-G8DHE_> ?
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[10:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> good luck to ava and Horizon today
[10:58] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Horizon flew yesterday its BONZO3 due to day I beleive
[10:58] <craag> Hi Upu
[10:58] <OZ1SKY_Brian> oh sri yes thats right
[10:59] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Has DaveA got the viseo stream going at all ?
[10:59] <craag> just having breakfast, will investigate after.
[11:00] <Geoff-G8DHE_> Can't blame you so am I!
[11:02] <Upu> no rush thx craag
[11:06] <JFS1> Morning all - any news from Dave about when he hopes to take off?
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[11:07] <daveake> Love it. Wind. Cold. "Your 3G SIM card has run out of credit" lol
[11:07] <Upu> having fun :)
[11:07] <Upu> launch on ?
[11:07] <daveake> verif
[11:07] <daveake> er
[11:07] <daveake> yes
[11:07] <Upu> lol
[11:07] <fsphil> that bad huh
[11:07] <daveake> brb got to fill a balloon
[11:07] <Upu> ttyl
[11:08] <fsphil> it's horrible here
[11:08] <fsphil> my funcube dongle has decided to not work
[11:08] <Darkside> oh dear
[11:09] <Upu> if its not up already I would suspect the BATC stream isn't coming up
[11:10] <fsphil> ah weird, it's giving me audio but I can't tune it
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[11:20] <mclane> what is the right batc stream?
[11:21] <Upu> Stream isn't up
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[11:25] <chrisg7ogx> looking wet for Bonzo3
[11:25] <chrisg7ogx> west!!
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[11:33] <OZ1SKY_Brian> 26CT895 looks like a CB callsign to me?
[11:34] <OZ1SKY_Brian> the tracker north of gonzo
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[11:35] <chrisg7ogx> IS STEVE g6uim ON HERE PLEASE?
[11:35] <Chris26CT895> Yup, not got my amateur lecense yet, so used my cb dx call sign.
[11:36] <Darkside> chrisg7ogx: CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
[11:36] <chrisg7ogx> me velly solly...love u long time
[11:36] <jarod> Darkside: http://bash.org/?835030
[11:36] <Upu> bwhaha
[11:37] <Upu> at both
[11:37] <chrisg7ogx> judge mental great name
[11:39] <fsphil> LOL
[11:40] <chrisg7ogx> Chris26CT895 do u need help with shift etc?
[11:40] <fsphil> right, all is setup here
[11:41] <chrisg7ogx> very good luck oop north tha naws
[11:42] <Chris26CT895> chrisg7ogx Frequency shift?
[11:42] <chrisg7ogx> yes u posted a plea for help on the google group?
[11:43] <Upu> wrong person ?
[11:43] <Upu> It was Steve Daniels
[11:43] <Chris26CT895> chrisg7ogx Sorry Chris, not me! I'm using SDR# so can pretty much see the shifts on the waterfall.
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[11:44] <chrisg7ogx> Yurp looking for Steve Daniels
[11:44] <chrisg7ogx> helpful hat is back in cupboard
[11:45] <craag> upu: is it still playing up?
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[11:47] <Chris26CT895> Can anyone else hear Bonzo? I've got a very strong carrier at 434.617 but no rutty.
[11:48] <fsphil> very likely local
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[11:48] <fsphil> is it shifting at all?
[11:48] <fsphil> the first sign I get of a payload signal is usually a wandering carrier
[11:49] <chrisg7ogx> nothing here and no carrier so probably local
[11:49] <Chris26CT895> Ok, thanks guys. I'll keep hunting for it!
[11:49] <fsphil> there will be a mention here when it launches
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[11:50] <fsphil> and the frequency will be very near 434.650
[11:50] <fsphil> +/- 25khz
[11:51] <GMT> is BONZO3 launching today, or is it just testing?
[11:51] <fsphil> proper launch
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[11:52] <gonzo_p> bonzo is up
[11:52] <fsphil> ah ha!
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[11:56] <lz1dev> you need to play some static noise with the occasianal russian radio transmission
[11:57] <Chris26CT895> Got Bonzo :)
[11:57] <fsphil> good thinking lz1dev
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[11:58] <lz1dev> fsphil: adjust your screen settings to be mainly green
[11:59] <lz1dev> put a deep red tint on the lights
[11:59] <jcoxon> dial freq?
[11:59] <fsphil> hmmm, habhound is plotting bonzo in the channel
[12:00] <fsphil> recompile fixed it. silly libraries
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[12:00] <fsphil> ava up?
[12:00] <fsphil> man, even that sounds northern
[12:01] <chrisg7ogx> got bonzo weak
[12:01] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[12:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> which freq. for Bonzo3
[12:01] <Hix> 434.650?
[12:01] <fsphil> it'll be very near 434.650
[12:02] <spiruel_> are the bonzo3 temperatures in celsius without decimal points?
[12:02] <Chris26CT895> I've got 434.673 but it may be slightly off.
[12:02] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo 434.647.200
[12:03] <Geoff-G8DHE> Got it thanks
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> shift is 250hz
[12:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bit late for Xmas hi!
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[12:04] <GMT> just about audible in London, but unable to decode yet
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[12:05] <chrisg7ogx> ditto getting stronger
[12:05] <Hix> what dial GMT nothing yet
[12:05] <GMT> Hix: about .647
[12:06] <Hix> ta
[12:06] <GMT> now decoding
[12:07] <GMT> still a weak/noisy signal, not got a good decode yet, but getting there
[12:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not getting a good decode either scraps at present
[12:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah ha getting better
[12:08] <GMT> BTW ... any updates from ARTEMIS and HORIZ from yesterday?
[12:08] <fsphil> artemis definitely lost in the sea
[12:08] <fsphil> horizon search abandoned
[12:08] <GMT> and HORIZ? did they go back for it today?
[12:09] <fsphil> not sure
[12:09] <fsphil> I don't think they've been in the channel since
[12:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> Bonzo Freq. climbing
[12:09] <gonzo_p> yep, looking good
[12:10] <gonzo_p> sorry fo lack of comms, shotr handed on site
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[12:10] <fsphil> that's my issue too, I never seem to get the time to update irc
[12:11] <NigelMoby> text to speech!
[12:11] <fsphil> it's the speech to text bit I'd need
[12:11] <GMT> wahey, good decode on BONZO
[12:11] <NigelMoby> oh yeah lol duh
[12:11] <fsphil> which just wouldn't work with my mumbling :)
[12:11] <NigelMoby> lol
[12:12] Action: fsphil says "you launch eye sky bacon fire, shortly yay"
[12:12] <daveake> launch in 10 mins
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[12:14] <GMT> fsphil: a Norn Iron lady I used to work with ... we made her say 'hi nye brine kye'!
[12:14] <fsphil> cruel lol
[12:15] <fsphil> the further east you go here "door" becomes "duur"
[12:15] <fsphil> window becomes "windy"
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[12:15] <GMT> oh, she was quite happy to indule us, took the 'p' out of us too!
[12:16] <GMT> indule=indulge
[12:16] <NigelMoby> Allais brofi yn cael 'ch pawb yn areithio Cymraeg.
[12:16] <NigelMoby> :)
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[12:16] <GMT> NigelMody - do you get chips with it?
[12:17] <NigelMoby> Lmao nada
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[12:18] <RocketBoy> is there a tv stream running?
[12:18] <navrac-work> ah - 7 bits for bonzo helps the decode
[12:20] <fsphil> autoconfigure ftw :)
[12:20] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not getting a good decode at all ?
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[12:21] <number10> i dont think so RocketBoy - certainly not for northern flight
[12:21] <RocketBoy> ah - ta
[12:21] <daveake> up
[12:21] <RocketBoy> there seems to be a BATC chat - but no pics :-(
[12:22] <daveake> be on soon
[12:22] <RocketBoy> cool
[12:22] <daveake> oh my that was fuuun :p
[12:22] <Hix> not even a murmur, I need an outside aerial
[12:22] <fsphil> fun fun, or fun?
[12:22] <Hix> and there's no way I'm hanging out of the window today
[12:22] <daveake> the 2nd one
[12:22] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE: hey
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hey I'm here
[12:23] <lz1dev> http://spacenear.us/tracker/track2.kml
[12:23] <lz1dev> try this, if it works
[12:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> loading
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[12:25] <x-f> Upu's stream on BATC shows a windy and snowy view
[12:25] <x-f> is that the right one?
[12:26] <lz1dev> fsphil: btw, the mobile tracker should now always load :)
[12:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looking a lot easier to play with ! Any chance of having positions in a folder of there own seperate from track itself. As the Track folder is at the bottom and got to scroll thru all position markers to get to track itself ?
[12:26] <fsphil> just uses local storage if avaliable?
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> So folder for Object, subfolder Track sub folder Positions ?
[12:27] <number10> merry xmas - must be old code
[12:27] <number10> Merry_Xmas$$BONZO3
[12:27] <lz1dev> fsphil: no, but timeouts of appCache is not available and lets you through :)
[12:27] <fsphil> it's still christmas ISH
[12:27] <lz1dev> s/of/if/
[12:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> But definite user improvment even as it is thanks <lz1dev>
[12:27] <number10> easter eggs are already out
[12:28] <lz1dev> Geoff-G8DHE: join #habhub, and you should thank DanielRichman
[12:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK will do
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[12:28] <fsphil> daveake: is it just AVA, or are the other payloads up there too?
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[12:30] <fsphil> I have AVA
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[12:31] <fsphil> shift is 470hz
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[12:32] <Hix> man that windchill is vile
[12:33] <bertrik> I really hope to hear/see at least a trace of balloon signals here one day, still about 50 km outside the blue circle from BONZO3
[12:33] <NigeyS> dial freq for bonzo ?
[12:33] <fsphil> yay, green line
[12:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.648 here
[12:33] <fsphil> it's so nice having the payload this close
[12:33] <NigeyS> tnx
[12:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> But not getting clean decodes at all much snapcrackle pop here to today :-(#
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[12:35] <spiruel_> sorry, i'm new - what do the blue and green circles on the tracker represent?
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[12:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> Hover mouse over clolur
[12:36] <spiruel_> Geoff-G8HE: doesn't seem to be working for me
[12:36] <fsphil> the large circle is the radio horizon
[12:37] <fsphil> the smaller circle is where the payload would be above 5 degrees from the horizon
[12:38] <spiruel_> fsphil: Thank You
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[12:38] <NigeyS> $$BONZO3,356,16:37:47,+511v.42048,-0014834884,11189.0,0841, 123,0008*0B77
[12:38] <NigeyS> Merry_Xma
[12:38] <NigeyS> merry xmas..? lol
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[12:38] <fsphil> merry xmISH
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[12:39] <Dutch-Mill> Hi NigeyS What's the shift for BONZO3?
[12:39] <fsphil> I bet I could decode ava from downstairs with a yagi
[12:39] <NigeyS> i got it on 260 and lsb :|
[12:39] <Dutch-Mill> Oke tHnx
[12:40] <GMT> I;ve got BONZO on 240 shift
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[12:41] <jcoxon> will be interesting to see if bonzo will float
[12:41] <Guest57837> BONZO3 is drifting in freqyency and is getting weaker from Harrow, London.
[12:42] <GMT> really! I'm only in Hayes and getting it fine
[12:42] <jcoxon> for me in south london buildings are a big problem
[12:43] <jcoxon> in a sense that it'll drift in and out of view
[12:43] <fsphil> shadows and reflections can cause all sorts of issues on 70cm
[12:43] <jcoxon> yeah
[12:43] <jcoxon> i used to track off a reflection of the building accross the street
[12:43] <fsphil> hah! nice one
[12:44] <Guest57837> I have a clear view to SW
[12:44] <Guest57837> How do I change my name?
[12:44] <fsphil> type /nick followed by what name you want to use
[12:44] Nick change: Guest57837 -> DaveADM
[12:44] <fsphil> it may be in use however
[12:44] <fsphil> no that one should be fine
[12:45] <DaveADM> It works
[12:45] Nick change: GMT -> Guest57837
[12:45] <fsphil> ava drifting up
[12:45] <Guest57837> how's that?
[12:45] <fsphil> still in the G zone
[12:45] Nick change: Guest57837 -> GMT
[12:45] <Hix> ha ha GMT
[12:45] <GMT> tee hee, childish!
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[12:50] <GMT> Is GONZO going to retru=ieve BONZO3?
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[12:57] <Rob_m0dts> fsphil - landing site for AVA looks familiar!
[12:57] <fsphil> hah, yea brings back memories
[12:57] <Rob_m0dts> :-)
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[12:57] <fsphil> very nice spot for a walk though :)
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[12:59] <Rob_m0dts> sure is, but not with an inch of snow like last time! probably snow up nr Reeth at present i would think...
[12:59] <Upu> dial ?
[12:59] <fsphil> 434.441.440 here
[12:59] <fsphil> but fcd, so probably not accurate
[12:59] <Rob_m0dts> 438.5 ish
[12:59] <fsphil> I must calibrate this
[13:00] <Upu> where are the other payloads ?
[13:00] <fsphil> I've not checked, but nobody else seems to be receiving them
[13:00] <Upu> got it
[13:00] <Rob_m0dts> i'l check, only heard ava when it first went up
[13:00] <jcoxon> shall i update the predictions?
[13:00] <fsphil> it's in the G spot
[13:01] <fsphil> oh they not been updated?
[13:01] <chrisg7ogx> cannot decode bonzo can someone confirm settings on the map are correct pse?
[13:01] <fsphil> chrisg7ogx: autoconfigure in dl-fldigi
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[13:01] <fsphil> after setting the payload to bonzo, hitting that button will set everything up
[13:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> I'm not getting any clear decdes just scraps :-(
[13:02] <GMT> i've just uploaded a good decode
[13:02] <navrac-work> getting ava now - very close to decoding
[13:02] <Rob_m0dts> nothing on buzz or cloud frequencies.
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[13:03] <GMT> why were AVA/BUZZ/CLOUD launched from so far north?
[13:03] <navrac-work> got an ava decode - no sign of buzz or cloud though
[13:03] <fsphil> why are most launched down south? :)
[13:04] <fsphil> spread the love!
[13:04] <GMT> well, that's what I wondered
[13:05] <chrisg7ogx> tks phil did that at launch but shift was wrong so lost confidence
[13:05] <fsphil> the shift is variable, that generally always has to be adjusted
[13:06] <GMT> 'OGX, are you getting it now?
[13:06] <chrisg7ogx> lesson learned cheers. brave peeps out in this weather..hopefully lots of horse sarnies!
[13:06] <chrisg7ogx> yes thanks
[13:06] <fsphil> we're now in the X zone
[13:07] <chrisg7ogx> a wavy signal
[13:07] <fsphil> ava's quite steady overall
[13:08] <GMT> 'OGX: typical, as soon ask I ask, signal fades!
[13:10] <number10_M0MDB> daveake_: needs his sock absobers fixed - or they deed to fix the roads upt north
[13:10] <GMT> that's why there are not many launches up north!
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO - AVA_1.png
[13:11] <Geoff-G8DHE> or even http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO%20-%20AVA_1.png
[13:12] <chrisg7ogx> i like the projection
[13:13] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-)
[13:13] <lz1dev> the earth looks around from up there
[13:14] <chrisg7ogx> and clean
[13:15] <GMT> careful with that, or the Flat-Earth Society will be after you for heresy
[13:15] <chrisg7ogx> burn him!
[13:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> Just to help the the flat earthers NOT http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-AVA_2.png
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[13:16] <chrisg7ogx> great now overlay that with the projected in crease in the fox population..
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[13:16] <Cillian> Geoff-G8DHE: hah
[13:17] <chrisg7ogx> is Bonzo a floater? ie stays up till it bursts naturalement?
[13:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-AVA_3.png
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[13:19] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> got a couple of people listeing here in PA-land
[13:19] <Wouter-[pa3weg]> but no signal here @ home (unfortunately no connection to my remote station at the moment..)
[13:20] <chrisg7ogx> is there a met office map of high altitude winds available?
[13:21] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo really climbing fast wondered what it was like up there..
[13:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/AVA_4.png
[13:22] <gonzo_> phew, finally back from the launch site
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[13:22] <gonzo_> road flooded all the way
[13:22] <spiruel_> ava falling now?
[13:22] <chrisg7ogx> great graphics Geoff
[13:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3_5.png
[13:23] <gonzo_> bonzo was underfilled a little, so poss a float?
[13:23] <chrisg7ogx> yes fast
[13:23] <Geoff-G8DHE> Only Google Earth views, but they do look nice, I'll do some Pano's later
[13:23] <chrisg7ogx> please
[13:23] <number10_M0MDB> just had a reset on ava
[13:24] <Rob_m0dts> phew
[13:24] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo heading south wind on the ground gusting to 25mph from the south
[13:24] <number10_M0MDB> no lock - must have been power prob
[13:25] <chrisg7ogx> now a live view from the balloon would be something..
[13:26] <Geoff-G8DHE> Would love to work with someone on that, I reckon a Pano even using the natural Spin is possible
[13:26] <gonzo_> would see lots of cloud!
[13:26] <chrisg7ogx> so photo genic tho
[13:27] <Rob_m0dts> ava has time but no gps lock yet it seems
[13:27] <number10_M0MDB> yes I think power problem as framne count reset
[13:28] <Rob_m0dts> gps is back
[13:28] <navrac-work> i think it wont update on spacenear when the counter has reset though
[13:28] <number10_M0MDB> seemed to coincide with burst
[13:28] <Rob_m0dts> still going up...
[13:29] <Rob_m0dts> ah i see
[13:31] <navrac-work> ava seems to be giving very odd gpr readings
[13:31] <Rob_m0dts> yes very odd!
[13:31] <navrac-work> now its frozen
[13:32] <navrac-work> possible gps antenna damage - loosing lock, then uncertain lock then loosing the time as well
[13:33] <navrac-work> are cloud and buzz actually on the balloon?#
[13:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/AVA_Highest_5.png
[13:33] <number10_M0MDB> not sure - Upu said he could hear a faint signal on buzz a while back navrac-work
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[13:35] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-climbing-AVA-peak_7.png
[13:38] <chrisg7ogx> Bonzo sigs fading and weak now maybe now above dense rain clouds?
[13:38] <Rob_m0dts> ava strings looks to be 'normal' again
[13:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> Fading for me but decodes have been awful, can't quite see why though :-(
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[13:40] <fsphil> I was AFK for a second there, did ava disappear?
[13:41] <GMT> BONZO sigs are perfect here in London, maybe because it's above' you 'OGX?
[13:41] <chrisg7ogx> yes agree and very heavy rain here
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[13:41] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not really I'm in Worthing about 40-50 miles East
[13:41] <GMT> in the decodes sent to Server, what is your elevation figure?
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[13:42] <chrisg7ogx> have you looked at what is above us though?
[13:42] <GMT> well, we got cloud and rain too, but not 'heavy rain' just yet
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> But it is quite wet here raining almost continous since 18:00 last night so that might have an influence
[13:43] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://weather.g8dhe.net/wdl/
[13:44] <GMT> that's impressive Geoff
[13:44] <Hix> blimey 13.1mm #ilpleu
[13:45] <jcoxon> i used to live in worthing
[13:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> Standard bit of software, loose the /wdl/ for details in all formats!
[13:45] <chrisg7ogx> yes jealous i just use cumulus here what is ur setup?
[13:45] <Hix> beaufort 5, fresh breeze
[13:45] <Hix> very fresh with this windchill
[13:45] <Hix> nice site though Geoff-G8DHE
[13:46] <fsphil> $$DAVA, seems appropriate
[13:46] <chrisg7ogx> i have watson W8681
[13:46] <Geoff-G8DHE> Weather station on mast/garage/house, with WD & WDL running on server
[13:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Weather station is WS2800 RF connection
[13:48] <gonzo_> bonzo got very fluttery
[13:48] <fsphil> on bonzo now, heard that
[13:48] <fsphil> checked the map to see if it was falling
[13:48] <number10_M0MDB> bonzo3 seems to have burst ?
[13:48] <number10_M0MDB> signal intermittent suddenly
[13:48] <fsphil> it has
[13:48] <fsphil> typical
[13:48] <fsphil> just as I tune in!
[13:49] <gonzo_> sounds bursty
[13:49] <fsphil> it's coming back to earth
[13:49] <fsphil> didn't take long for the signal to disappear!
[13:49] <fsphil> it must be falling fast
[13:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> Is Bonzo 7N150B or 8N150B ?
[13:50] <gonzo_> 8bit
[13:50] <fsphil> Geoff-G8DHE: autoconfigure will set that up
[13:50] <fsphil> you just need to adjust the rtty shift
[13:50] <gonzo_> 239hz at the mo
[13:50] <gonzo_> wow falling fast
[13:50] <Geoff-G8DHE> Well its just that for a while earlier 7n1 was best :-/
[13:50] <chrisg7ogx> strange stroger here now and sigs sound so differant
[13:51] <Geoff-G8DHE> Likewise
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[13:51] <gonzo_> ah, you may be right at 7bit
[13:51] <gonzo_> applos
[13:51] <fsphil> this is why autoconfigure was made :)
[13:51] <chrisg7ogx> i know a sonf abt that don't i phil?
[13:51] <fsphil> what?
[13:52] <fsphil> oh
[13:52] <fsphil> didn't parse that sentence first go :)
[13:52] <GMT> we've all been there!
[13:52] <chrisg7ogx> geoff i reckon it has come down below that layer which was causing probs to us
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> Trouble is the shift then resets to too wide :-(
[13:52] <fsphil> yep
[13:52] <fsphil> manually adjust the shift
[13:52] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think so, there must be a very dense rain layer to the West of us
[13:52] <chrisg7ogx> that's why i thought i wonder what else maybe wrong..
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its gaining strength all the time now
[13:53] <gonzo_> ditto here
[13:53] <chrisg7ogx> nice wx system you have
[13:53] <gonzo_> wonder if the radioation pattern is too good out to the sides?
[13:53] <chrisg7ogx> we were prob below lowest lobe
[13:53] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not complex, Son bougth the station as Xmas P. 2 years ago, software is the common stuff, really simple to setup!
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[13:54] <gonzo_> one stop bit should be ok. It sends 1.5 but no harm is being set at 1
[13:54] <chrisg7ogx> but xyl may yelp over £250,00
[13:54] <chrisg7ogx> £250.00
[13:54] <chrisg7ogx> our wx reading agree which is comforting
[13:55] <Geoff-G8DHE> WS2800 is not best choice very proprity software can't add extra bits etc.
[13:55] <chrisg7ogx> what would you suggest
[13:56] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo sigs moving now
[13:56] <gonzo_> warming up
[13:56] <Geoff-G8DHE> Davis stuff seems very flexible but not studied it closely the software WD supports most stuff once you find it in the mess of menu's!
[13:56] <gonzo_> thete is not a whole load of insulation on it
[13:56] <chrisg7ogx> yes and poor bonzo is cold
[13:57] <gonzo_> hehe, just saw the seasonal greeting.
[13:57] <navrac-work> has ava disappeared? I turned away to do some soldering and cant find it now
[13:57] <gonzo_> forgot that was in there. Was planning it for december
[13:57] <GMT> was it something youy left in the code; how often does it appear?
[13:57] <fsphil> it's burst navrac-work
[13:57] <Geoff-G8DHE> :-)
[13:57] <fsphil> coming down
[13:57] <chrisg7ogx> geoff can you come up on gb3cc or brighton rptr or HF adfter this/
[13:58] <gonzo_> dunno, every 25 frames?
[13:58] <chrisg7ogx> consistantly good decodes now
[13:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> Not easily all my aerials are disconnected prior tolowering aerials for when we get some better weather Az rotater failed.
[13:59] <gonzo_> slowing up, the chute must be doing it's bit
[13:59] <Hix> Ava looks like it'll be a nice recovery job, not
[13:59] <chrisg7ogx> oh ok no pobs would like to have a go with that software here
[14:01] <Geoff-G8DHE> 30 days trial before buying http://www.weather-display.com/files.php
[14:01] <Hix> that looks lke it'll be a real arse to get to
[14:01] <craag> anyone chasing bonzo?
[14:01] <chrisg7ogx> thankyou
[14:01] <Rob_m0dts> ava migh splash donw yet..hi
[14:01] <chrisg7ogx> i think so team said comms would be difficult to high altitude
[14:02] <craag> if not, ill be driving past the landing site in a couple of hours..
[14:03] <Upu> phew cleared to reservior
[14:03] <Upu> go on land on the road
[14:03] <chrisg7ogx> wouldn't be surprised if Bonzo slows and turns north a tad
[14:03] <gonzo_> expect it will. The surface winds are going north
[14:04] <gonzo_> craag, no, we are not chasing
[14:04] <fsphil> touchdown?
[14:04] <gonzo_> expected a wet landing
[14:04] <fsphil> hey that's not far from a road
[14:05] <chrisg7ogx> i know some radio hams on IOW
[14:05] <Hix> wow that was better than i thought, i feared it was coming down in the rough to the S of the resvr
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Shouldn't that be cleared the first reservior
[14:05] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah no
[14:06] <Upu> Rob_m0dts many many thanks
[14:06] <fsphil> Rob_m0dts: what voodoo are you using to receive that?
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[14:06] <Rob_m0dts> line of sight i think!
[14:06] <Rob_m0dts> still good signal here!
[14:06] <Upu> really thanks for tracking that today
[14:06] <fsphil> you're still getting it on the ground
[14:06] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo turning but running out of land!
[14:06] <fsphil> haha
[14:06] <fsphil> that's amazing
[14:06] <Upu> btw the antenna on that payload was a 434Mhz Stub
[14:06] <fsphil> what's the range?
[14:07] <Rob_m0dts> yes has landed and still S7 signal.. hiils are useful sometimes!
[14:07] <Cillian> Rob_m0dts: !
[14:07] <craag> gonzo_ whats the battery life on the tracker? im driving back to southampton this afternoob
[14:07] <Rob_m0dts> 52km away from me.
[14:07] <fsphil> wow
[14:07] <Upu> lol
[14:07] <fsphil> you win
[14:07] <Upu> http://uk.farnell.com/lprs/ant-ss400/antenna-stub-straight-434mhz/dp/2096220
[14:07] <Upu> thats what the antenna was on the payload
[14:07] <Rob_m0dts> i will tell u when they pick it up ;-)
[14:08] <fsphil> it's moving
[14:08] <Upu> thats just normal noise
[14:08] <fsphil> probably just gps noise
[14:08] <Hix> i was looking at stub antennae, are they ok for HAB then?
[14:08] <fsphil> yea
[14:08] <Cillian> Aye
[14:08] <Upu> it is in pedestrian mode though
[14:08] <chrisg7ogx> thats fantastic and a nice price
[14:08] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/AVA_landed_8.png
[14:08] <fsphil> it's going back up
[14:08] <Upu> Well Hix people said not but I flew one anyway
[14:08] <Cillian> It'd be funny if the wind caught the chute and it took off again
[14:08] <Upu> and it seems to have worked fine
[14:09] <Hix> what i was thiking
[14:09] <Hix> more robust too at some expense of sig quality maybe
[14:09] <fsphil> I think a cow has picked up this payload
[14:09] <gonzo_> craag, should be good for a few hours yet. Vbatt looks to be about 2.7v still (2xaaa lithuims)
[14:09] <fsphil> or it landed on a cows back
[14:09] <fsphil> and dave will have to wrestle it
[14:10] <Hiena> Ehehehehehe...
[14:10] <gonzo_> or wait 12hrs and get a long rubber glove
[14:10] <Hix> :D
[14:10] <fsphil> or it could be a horse. it's often difficult to tell them apart
[14:11] <Hix> less chewy in a lasagne
[14:11] <chrisg7ogx> f5apq remote tracking bonzo
[14:11] <Upu> Rob_m0dts can you copy your received window and paste it to pastebin for me pleasE ?
[14:11] <Rob_m0dts> ok
[14:11] <Upu> thanks
[14:11] <gonzo_> bonzo shoudl start to turn north soon. It change direction at 11000mtrs on the way up
[14:12] <chrisg7ogx> tks gonzo
[14:12] <Cillian> The tracker doesn't seem to handle gps noise especially gracefully
[14:12] <Randomskk> haha
[14:13] <chrisg7ogx> would be great if it came around for a nice landing is there a "phone this number" msg on it?
[14:13] <Rob_m0dts> Upu: http://pastebin.com/eftQ5CHA
[14:13] <Hix> upu, that stub, LRPS were asking me if I wanted to test their easy radio system
[14:13] <Upu> many thanks Rob owe you a pint
[14:14] <craag> gonzo_ cool, if its a dry-ish landing then im up for heading out later to see if i can get it. Astra will probably get a decent low alt packet.
[14:15] <gonzo_> craag, excellent.
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[14:16] <gonzo_> bonzo looks to be turning the corner
[14:16] <cuddykid> Hix: I've got some of their easy radio modules - they didn't perform well
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[14:16] <mfa298> I've just managed to get back to soton and as I'm still in the car I might see if I can get somewhere to get some low packets.
[14:17] <Hix> ah ok, they were offering to send me some test modules free
[14:17] <Hix> but i already had an NTX2 to stupidly said its ok.
[14:17] <gonzo_> hayling island looks a good bet for a bonzo landing
[14:17] <Hix> turning down freebies #somethingwrongwithme
[14:18] <Hix> As long as it Avoids Lockheed Marting - not sure they'd be too enamoured
[14:18] <Upu> AVA is just to the right of the trig point
[14:18] <Upu> http://goo.gl/maps/P6j72
[14:18] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descent_9.png
[14:18] <Rob_m0dts> ava is moving
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[14:19] <gonzo_> thas ok hix, there are no identifying marks on it. Apatr from met office ones. it was one of their chutes et I re-used
[14:19] <chrisg7ogx> going to pastebin was too much for my PC!
[14:19] <Hix> :D
[14:20] <Hix> their site down there is crazy secure
[14:20] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo coming around now
[14:20] <Upu> think its still random noise Rob_m0dts
[14:20] <Hix> worked there for a few weeks, had to be escorted to the toilet
[14:20] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[14:20] <chrisg7ogx> why so secure
[14:20] <Rob_m0dts> no signal is varying all over the place from nothing to S9 so they must be on location.
[14:21] <Hix> military development work going on there
[14:21] <Upu> probably taking pics
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[14:21] <chrisg7ogx> in the toilet?!!!????
[14:21] <gonzo_> pics of hix on the bbog???
[14:21] <Hix> submarine testing :D
[14:21] <chrisg7ogx> oh i see not just paste bin on that site?
[14:21] <gonzo_> depth charge!!! pass the loo roll
[14:22] <Hix> or cable laying
[14:22] <chrisg7ogx> whre is it?
[14:22] <gonzo_> dropping the kids off at the pool
[14:22] <chrisg7ogx> stop now
[14:22] <chrisg7ogx> less of this richard the third stuff already
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[14:24] <Hix> just off the A27 near Havant
[14:24] <Upu> ave recovered
[14:24] <Upu> ava
[14:24] <Hix> cool
[14:24] <chrisg7ogx> unfortunately i don't have my car here
[14:24] <Geoff-G8DHE> That was quick!
[14:24] <chrisg7ogx> how is AVA
[14:24] <Upu> Recovered Chris :)
[14:24] <Upu> best payload status tbh
[14:24] <Hix> did the geofence work as expected upu
[14:25] <Upu> yep it did
[14:25] <Hix> noice
[14:25] <Upu> though the launch site was changed at the last min
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Go on what is Geofence then ?
[14:25] <Hix> GPS boundary for cutdown
[14:25] <Upu> payload knows what zone its in
[14:25] <chrisg7ogx> great trip..was the stub antenna pointing straight down or at 45ish?
[14:25] <Cillian> Was ava cutdown then?
[14:25] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah right
[14:25] <Upu> and when it leaves that zone or enters another one
[14:25] <Upu> no Ava wasn't cut down it was testing code for an up and coming APRS flight
[14:25] <Hix> Geoff-G8DHE http://goo.gl/8n5sm
[14:26] <Cillian> Ah
[14:26] <Hix> oh ok
[14:26] <Upu> we aren't allowed to use APRS in the UK so I have to be outside of UK to engage the APRS radio
[14:26] <Hix> ahh the floaty invasion of europe
[14:26] <Upu> there were 7 zones but due to the revised launch site I wasn't able to redo them in time
[14:26] <Upu> but it worked anyway
[14:27] <Geoff-G8DHE> Thnaks <Hix>
[14:27] <Upu> Dave said the hill was very steep :)
[14:27] <chrisg7ogx> is that how shopping trollies cease to work once outside a boundary?
[14:27] <Upu> I doubt it Chris
[14:27] <chrisg7ogx> lol
[14:27] <Upu> if it was I'd be nicking them for the GPS chips
[14:27] <chrisg7ogx> seriously tho wondered how it worked
[14:28] <Upu> magnets
[14:28] <chrisg7ogx> exspensive trollys
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> That was mu understanding
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[14:28] <chrisstubbs> whats the freq for bonzo3?
[14:28] <chrisg7ogx> depending on an rf fielr?
[14:28] <Upu> live payload walking across the field now on #highaltitude
[14:28] <chrisstubbs> and glad to hear you recovered OK UPU
[14:28] <Geoff-G8DHE> 434.648 here
[14:28] <Upu> Wasn't me I'm sat in a nice warm house, Dave is the one in a cold snowy field :)
[14:29] <Geoff-G8DHE> Looked nice on Sunny on streetview ;-)
[14:29] <chrisstubbs> got it :)
[14:29] <chrisg7ogx> 434.646.800 drifting down
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[14:29] <Rob_m0dts> signal weaker now it's down the hill... partial decode now!
[14:30] <Upu> you shouldn't be able to RX it at all :)
[14:30] <chrisstubbs> merry xmas?
[14:30] <Upu> when I put this in pedestrial mode I didn't mean it to be lilterally taken for a walk
[14:31] <Upu> pedestrian
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descending_10.png
[14:31] <gonzo_> chrisstubbs, yep it was meant to fly in late december
[14:31] <chrisstubbs> hahaha oh well, impressed im getting decodes from Essex, new antenna is working a treat :)
[14:31] <chrisg7ogx> on a nice day with a decent pair of b'ns I reckon I could see Bonzo
[14:31] <chrisg7ogx> what is it Chris?
[14:31] <Geoff-G8DHE> Ah found my decode problem the virtual audio cable isn't happy ...
[14:32] <chrisstubbs> cheap ebay X50 on a 10ft screwfix mast thing
[14:32] <gonzo_> nod bad then from essex
[14:32] <Rob_m0dts> antenna removed and Tx stopped ;-)
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[14:32] <chrisg7ogx> x50 or x500?
[14:33] <chrisstubbs> getting like a 80% success rate, was about 15% yesterday
[14:33] <gonzo_> I'm impressed at how little drift there has nn=been on bonzo. There was not a whole lot of thermal wrappoing on it
[14:33] <chrisstubbs> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360574053839?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[14:33] <Geoff-G8DHE> Which Tx module did it use ?
[14:34] <gonzo_> ntx2
[14:34] <chrisg7ogx> good gain for the price congrats
[14:34] <Geoff-G8DHE> Like Horizon yesterday very stable compared to some
[14:35] <Hix> later chaps
[14:35] <chrisg7ogx> any bombs on Bonzo?
[14:35] <chrisg7ogx> have a job for you!
[14:36] <chrisg7ogx> sigs moving up now
[14:36] <gonzo_> hehe, the H2 has gone now, so can't help!
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[14:37] <chrisg7ogx> Bonzo radio controlled!
[14:37] <chrisg7ogx> i love the way it came in
[14:38] <gonzo_> I did have an idea for a challenge for a future flight. Seeing how accurate you could land a payload, with a commanded cutdown and HALO chute deploy. With an idea of dropping on open fields etc for recovery. But I could imagine the way that could be interpreted!
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[14:39] <chrisg7ogx> great event tho mony for charidee mate
[14:39] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descending_11.png
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[14:40] <chrisg7ogx> have you seen event where you buy a metre square in afield and they release a cow and whoever gets the first mess wins the pot?
[14:40] <gonzo_> yep have heard of that.
[14:41] <gonzo_> I guess east meon as landing. If id does, do I win the town?
[14:41] <chrisg7ogx> nice pub HMS Mercury was up the hill from there
[14:42] <g8gtz> Late I know but what frequency?
[14:42] <chrisg7ogx> Strewth wish i had my car
[14:42] <chrisstubbs> i have it on 434.648.34
[14:42] <chrisstubbs> v faint now though
[14:43] <gonzo_> nice plots Geoff-G8DHE
[14:44] <craag> gonzo_ bonus points if you hit CRAAG1 out of the tree! (in hen wood sout of east meon)
[14:44] <Geoff-G8DHE> Its descending smoothly!
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[14:45] <chrisg7ogx> reckon midhurst better bet
[14:45] <gonzo_> that would be many hab points!
[14:45] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descending_12.png
[14:46] <gonzo_> ah yes, turning east... The whole flight has been a bit blustery
[14:46] <chrisg7ogx> as JC said at easter, you can see our house from here
[14:47] <Geoff-G8DHE> Due one last curve back to the west however
[14:47] <gonzo_> the chute has to be around 36" on bonzo
[14:47] <gonzo_> dayglow orange/red for craag, if he is hunting
[14:47] <chrisg7ogx> runtime error curl-easy-perform
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[14:49] <chrisg7ogx> sending failed since rewinding of data failed
[14:49] <chrisg7ogx> data stream
[14:49] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descending_13.png
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[14:51] <craag> gonzo_ got it. as i said, i wont be around for a few hours, but might take a look this evening if nobody else has.
[14:51] <chrisg7ogx> can get car tomorrow
[14:52] <gonzo_> ok. It was a disposable payload anyway. But if you ar in the area.....
[14:53] <chrisg7ogx> the wee wifey works a t Goodwood so I can be
[14:53] <chrisg7ogx> how accurate is this map good enough?
[14:54] <GMT> take the last decoded position and drive to it
[14:54] <chrisg7ogx> ok
[14:54] <GMT> get beam ant, and DF
[14:54] <chrisg7ogx> i wish had to sell lots to get flex
[14:54] <gonzo_> not bad really. But take the lat long and use gps to home in on it.
[14:55] <craag> hehe i know about disposable payloads..
[14:55] <gonzo_> that[sm what we did to recover picochu
[14:55] <chrisg7ogx> thats my long term plan to do that then we can all have a fox hunt liked ur antenna out of window pic yesterday
[14:56] <chrisg7ogx> sigs fluctuating here
[14:56] <GMT> 'OGX, I made 6-ele beam ant, cost approx £5
[14:56] <chrisg7ogx> i'm not practical unfortunately
[14:57] <chrisg7ogx> very left handed
[14:57] <chrisg7ogx> where did u get the metal for ur elements/
[14:57] <chrisstubbs> just dropped below my LOS :( nothing here now
[14:57] <GMT> neither am I! ... batten of wood (25mm x 25mm -ish), choc-block connectors, coat-hangars, bit of coax ...
[14:58] <chrisg7ogx> does the predictor take live wind info?
[14:58] <Geoff-G8DHE> I think so
[14:58] <gonzo_> I made a 10ele yagi for 868mhz during the week. Wood, offcuts of ali rod from a scarp antenna, hammered through.
[14:59] <chrisg7ogx> somebody is moving predicted landing to meet the balloon!
[14:59] <gonzo_> The driven ele was just a bit of copper earth wire from twin and earth mains cable
[14:59] <chrisg7ogx> has turned westerly
[14:59] <chrisg7ogx> i have seen ali rods in B&Q
[15:00] <gonzo_> bit of an odd glitch in the position/track there?!
[15:00] <gonzo_> yep, mine is 3/16ali rod
[15:00] <Geoff-G8DHE> ?
[15:00] <GMT> I want to make an ant using an old tape-measure, but need plastic x-pieces; can't find in UK!
[15:00] <chrisg7ogx> saw that ruler antenna on tinternet
[15:01] <gonzo_> tried that tape idea for a 2mtr one. But it was too flexy
[15:01] <GMT> yup, looks v.good, but can't find cross pieces anywhere
[15:01] <chrisstubbs> GMT tried that, it was almost impossible to get in in the bin when i fount out it didnt work, spring buts of metal everywhere
[15:01] <gonzo_> and no need for flex on 70cm, the elements are short enough
[15:02] <gonzo_> lost signs on bonzo now
[15:02] <chrisstubbs> the tape measure i used was VERy poor quality metal
[15:02] <chrisg7ogx> nice sigs here
[15:02] <GMT> I've lost BONZO too
[15:02] <Chris26CT895> Just faded into the static here too
[15:02] <Geoff-G8DHE> looks like its getting a buffeting
[15:03] <chrisg7ogx> bonzo 898
[15:03] <chrisg7ogx> gone
[15:03] <gonzo_> phew, passed the pylons!
[15:04] <chrisg7ogx> did it hurt much?!!!
[15:04] <gonzo_> had to get a bit of wood to bite on!
[15:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descent_14.png
[15:04] <GMT> not sure what's worse, that or a hedgehog?
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[15:05] <mattbrejza> http://pastie.org/6110103
[15:05] <GMT> batter than me, my last decode was 389
[15:05] <gonzo_> furzfield copse looks a probably final resting place for bonzo
[15:06] <g8gtz> Habrotate worked well - thanks Craag ;-)
[15:06] <mattbrejza> $$BONZO3,900,15:0327,+5058.67005,-00055.90878,281.4,0849,0176,0158*E061
[15:06] <chrisg7ogx> nice one
[15:07] <mattbrejza> its probably not in a tree as i cant see it on the waterfall
[15:08] <chrisg7ogx> some great names around there
[15:08] <gonzo_> mattbrejza, did that last packet not pass checksum?
[15:09] <mattbrejza> its missing a :
[15:09] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://www.g8dhe.net/BONZO3-descent-last_plot_15.png
[15:09] <gonzo_> ah, yes
[15:09] <gonzo_> thanks all for tracking
[15:10] <Geoff-G8DHE> Reckon the little hillock to the West Nurstead
[15:11] <chrisg7ogx> is that Furzfield copse?
[15:12] <Upu> G8KNN-Jon are you about ?
[15:12] <chrisg7ogx> anyone have the lat and long please?
[15:14] <mattbrejza> $$BONZO3,900,15:03:27,+5058.67005,-00055.90878,281.4,0849,0176,0158*E061 passes checksum btw
[15:15] <craag> chrisg7ogx are you planning on chasing?
[15:15] <chrisg7ogx> depends on what wife has planned for tomorrow..no car today
[15:16] <craag> ah ok
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[15:17] <chrisg7ogx> sri would love to
[15:20] <chrisg7ogx> is position 50-58.67N 000-05.55W?
[15:21] <gonzo_> matt's last was 50-58.67005N, 00-055.90878W
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[15:22] <gonzo_> my sw does not try and manipulate the gps location. Just copies the NMEA ASCII directly to the RTTY
[15:27] <chrisg7ogx> ok time for chores..if I get the chance tomorrow i will take a look out there
[15:27] <chrisg7ogx> i will stay logged on here just in case situation changes OK Gonzo?
[15:29] <chrisg7ogx> r u there Gonzo?
[15:29] <gonzo_> chrisg7ogx, yep, no problems. Doubt there will be any battery left though. But you may catch sight of the chute
[15:29] <chrisg7ogx> yes going to rely on mark1 eyeball
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[15:29] <jcoxon> both recovered?
[15:30] <fsphil> one so far
[15:30] <gonzo_> don;'t really have the time to be chasing today. And the fuel would cost more than the tracker
[15:31] <gonzo_> but if anyone is closer, that's be great to fly it again
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[15:35] <jcoxon> bit too far for me
[15:35] <jcoxon> :-)
[15:35] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Sunday 10th February - Bonzo3 - Dorset"
[15:37] <chrisstubbs> gonzo_ do you have a website with your payload details?
[15:38] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK quick Object movie of Bonzo3 flight http://www.sphericalvisions.com/hab_flights/bonzo3/Bonzo3.html
[15:38] <gonzo_> nope, but will log them on the ukhas flights data
[15:42] <mfa298> I'm currently in petersfield (seeing as trying to find a suitable hill to catch the end of the flight took me in that direction) and I can hear bits of rtty
[15:42] <mfa298> Just need to get some useful info from a partial
[15:43] <jcoxon> mfa298, ooooo
[15:44] <mfa298> unfortunately the place I've found to stop seems to be a dead spot, I shall have to consult the map
[15:44] <jcoxon> petersfield is so close...
[15:44] <jcoxon> jump on the A3 south
[15:44] <jcoxon> actually
[15:44] <jcoxon> the B2070 (The Causeway
[15:44] <mfa298> I'm currently on the B2070
[15:44] <jcoxon> even better
[15:45] <gonzo_> excellent
[15:45] <mfa298> This is what it got whilst driving BONZO3,04,15:40:11,+%05::p50Mp056n2660,81.7,0871,0191,166
[15:45] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Sunday 10th February - Bonzo3 - Dorset"
[15:45] <mfa298> unfortunately I think all the useful info got garbled
[15:45] <gonzo_> typical
[15:45] <fsphil> one useful thing, we know it survived landing
[15:45] <jcoxon> yeah
[15:46] <jcoxon> so recovery is possible
[15:46] <gonzo_> the size of the chute, it must have been a soft landing
[15:46] <jcoxon> I predcit it landed around Round Copse (on google maps)
[15:47] <mfa298> looking at the maps I think I'm right be the turning onto the small road.
[15:47] <mfa298> not sure if the laptop battery will last long enough but I shall see if I can at least record the rtty via phone
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[15:49] <fabio> hi
[15:49] <fabio> hay alguien aqui?
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[15:49] <fsphil> guess not
[15:49] <NigeyS> lol
[15:49] <mfa298> $$BONZO3,083,15:49:30,+5058.85147,-00056.26591,81.5,0865,0190,0167*B4B2
[15:50] <gonzo_> mfa298, you have the tracket app on phone?
[15:50] <fsphil> oh nice
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[15:50] <mfa298> I do I shall have to fire it up
[15:50] <gonzo_> can someone plug that into spacenear?
[15:51] <mfa298> with any luck dl-fldigi it still updating
[15:51] <jcoxon> bingo
[15:51] <jcoxon> in a field
[15:51] <gonzo_> looks like a mid field landing
[15:51] <jcoxon> near to the road
[15:51] <mfa298> hmmm, chase car isn't in the right place
[15:51] <jcoxon> old gps
[15:52] <fsphil> Cockshot Wood </easily amused>
[15:52] <mfa298> I shall drive around there and see what I can see. laptop will probably shut down very soon thoguh :(
[15:52] <mfa298> but at least we have a position
[15:54] <gonzo_> it's bright red/orange chute
[15:54] <fsphil> nice big open field
[15:54] <gonzo_> and no crops this time of year
[15:54] <fsphil> just need to get to what I think is called North Lane
[15:56] <jcoxon> looking good
[15:56] <NigeyS> nice big mansion and a tennis court there too.. hmm
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[15:58] <fsphil> chase cars need quicker updates :)
[15:58] Nick change: SAIDias -> W0OTM
[15:58] Nick change: W0OTM -> W0OTM-Home
[15:59] <fsphil> woop, too far
[15:59] Nick change: W0OTM-Home -> W0OTM
[15:59] <mfa298> I know I must be close as the radio is at S8
[15:59] <mfa298> challenge is having somewhere to stop
[15:59] <fsphil> good point
[16:00] <craag> mfa298 darn you beat me to it :P
[16:00] <mfa298> fsphil: chase car also needs a passenger for IRC/maps
[16:00] <Randomskk> having a few chase car passengers makes life much much easier :P
[16:00] <jonsowman> definitely
[16:00] <fsphil> very
[16:00] <mfa298> shall go have a look in the field
[16:01] <fsphil> I couldn't do it solo at al
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[16:01] <fsphil> all
[16:01] <jcoxon> wear wellies!
[16:01] <fsphil> it's about 400m from the chase car
[16:02] <fsphil> well it was
[16:04] <gonzo_> chase car was all over the place just. gps prob!
[16:04] <Upu> Chase car is on it now
[16:04] <Upu> is chase car in the field ? :)
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[16:05] <gonzo_> yep recon stol and walk now
[16:05] <jcoxon> i think mfa298 might now be hte chase care
[16:05] <jcoxon> car*
[16:05] <gonzo_> or start digging the wheels out!
[16:05] <Upu> ah ofc
[16:05] <gonzo_> unless the app is on the phone in hos pocket
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[16:08] <gonzo_> waiting for the comments about how crap the construction was!
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[16:13] <jcoxon> ...
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[16:15] <Geoff-G8DHE> OK and a quick Objective movie of the AVA flight path http://sphericalvisions.com/HAB_Flights/AVA/AVA.html
[16:17] <griffonbot> Received email: Geoff Mather "[UKHAS] Re: Launch Announcement - Sunday 10th February - Cumbria"
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[16:18] <mfa298_mob> Recovered
[16:19] <NigeyS> congrats :)
[16:19] <mfa298_mob> My screen session is taking a while to reconnect so trying orc via mobile
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[16:20] <jcoxon> hooray for mfa298_mob
[16:20] <gonzo__mob> I owes you beers
[16:21] <mfa298> chase app was on the mobile
[16:21] <fsphil> fantastic
[16:21] <Geoff-G8DHE> Good man!
[16:21] <mfa298> at least weve recovered one southern flight recently
[16:21] <gonzo__mob> that hw has flown twice already
[16:22] <Geoff-G8DHE> Time for food, me thinks.
[16:22] <gonzo__mob> is there a record for number of flights?
[16:23] <spiruel_> where is the best place to buy parachutes?
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[16:24] <gonzo_> randomsolutions
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[16:24] <spiruel_> wiki says spherachutes - which is cheaper than random solutions even with shipping included
[16:25] <spiruel_> however is there a hidden international charge?
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[16:25] <NigeyS> you may get clobbered by customs
[16:25] <NigeyS> which would add a charge
[16:25] <NigeyS> not sure how much it is
[16:25] <spiruel_> 24" parachute is 32.95 from random solutions and 23.42 from spherachutes
[16:26] <spiruel_> (both with balloon attachment loops)
[16:26] <gonzo_> think many use random solutions as steve is one of the UK community, rather than a purely commercial outfit
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[16:27] <spiruel_> ok, thanks
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[16:29] <upix> Hey
[16:30] <fsphil> hiya upix
[16:30] <upix> does anyone know if RMF module has any chokes on it
[16:30] <upix> I mean I was wondering if i should put my own chokes to separate noise
[16:31] <upix> RFM22
[16:31] Action: fsphil knows not
[16:32] <mattbrejza> putting a bead ferrite on the power line isnt a bad idea
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[16:33] <upix> I was thinking that a commod mode choke would be a good idea, but then realised that ferrite adds some weight
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[16:33] <upix> it's not a lot, but still not the same as simple inductor with cap
[16:34] <mattbrejza> http://uk.farnell.com/fair-rite/25060310270/ferrite-bead-0-55ohm-300ma-0603/dp/1463451RL
[16:34] <mattbrejza> really not an issue
[16:35] <CrazyBird_Cawww> Hi! I'm working on my first HAB and I've been checking out a lot of launch write ups trying to get information about a suitable flight computer. It seems that there are a wide variety of choices. My EE and soldering skills are novice, and I know a decent amount of Java and some C. Any reccomendations?
[16:36] <F6AGV> who have address web for loading last version of DL-FLDIGI HAB ? Thanks boys
[16:36] <Randomskk> CrazyBird_Cawww: arduino :P
[16:36] <upix> mattbrejza: ah i had something like this in mind: http://image.tradevv.com/2010/01/01/fuantronics_779723_600/common-mode-choke.jpg
[16:36] <NigeyS> forget java stick with c :)
[16:36] <Randomskk> F6AGV: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[16:37] <Randomskk> for windows, http://habhub.org/files/dl-fldigi/dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[16:37] <fsphil> F6AGV: http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi
[16:37] <fsphil> ah, too slow
[16:38] <mattbrejza> upix: yea thats somewhat over the top
[16:38] <mattbrejza> but wont hurt
[16:38] <F6AGV> yeah but I don't find latest version I think is 3.21.50 ?
[16:39] <Randomskk> F6AGV: that download is the latest version
[16:39] <F6AGV> I try your address qrx
[16:40] <F6AGV> OK wait for me Please
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[16:41] <F6AGV> @fsphil : on this page http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-fldigi where I must go to "click" ?
[16:41] <upix> mattbrejza: is it worth putting chokes on signal lines? (DC board computer <-> RFM)
[16:42] <upix> I was considering only the power planes
[16:42] <F6AGV> @Randomskk idem
[16:42] <NigeyS> F6AGV, Windows: dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe
[16:42] <mattbrejza> na, its only to stop stuff getting into the gps, which would be via power
[16:43] <F6AGV> OK OK thanks my friends I try that way !
[16:43] <upix> alright
[16:43] <upix> thanks
[16:47] <F6AGV> It's good : it' s the 3.21.50 when I execute dl-fldigi-DL3.1-windows-2abd6a7.exe : I'm happy and my thanks to all !
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[16:48] <F6AGV> well any news about BONZO-3 or AVA recovery ?
[16:51] <F6AGV> I must quit, good evening all on highaltitude from CALAIS in SNOW !!!
[16:51] <Randomskk> good evening!
[16:51] <Randomskk> calais is snowy?!
[16:51] <F6AGV> By
[16:51] <Randomskk> I was in calais yesterday
[16:51] <Randomskk> bright sun
[16:51] <Randomskk> :(
[16:51] <F6AGV> yes little snow and windy
[16:51] <Randomskk> oh well, enjoy
[16:52] <F6AGV> yes YL is cold !
[16:52] <F6AGV> By
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[17:02] <PaulCDR> hi folks, can anyone give any advice in getting dl-fldigi to work with an sdr?
[17:03] <PaulCDR> i have the sdr working no problem and receiving signals from my ntx2 but im lost on getting this into fldigi
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[17:06] <x-f> if you're on Windows, you need Virtual Audio Cable program (or equivalent)
[17:07] <mattbrejza> or stereo mix if avaliable with your audio drivers (might need enabling in recording devices)
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[17:13] <PaulCDR> i have the virtual audio cable installed, but not getting any waterfalls on fldigi, must have missed something
[17:13] <PaulCDR> is there a start button or should it pick up rightaway
[17:14] <chrisg7ogx> paul what software are you using?
[17:14] <PaulCDR> im using the sharpsdr and dl-fldigi in hab mode
[17:15] <chrisg7ogx> under audio on the left hand side does youroutput reflect your set input in fldigi?
[17:16] <chrisg7ogx> in sdr sharp
[17:17] <PaulCDR> ahh, no its not, but its greyed out
[17:18] <chrisg7ogx> deselect play top left
[17:18] <chrisg7ogx> stby
[17:20] <PaulCDR> perfect chris, now im getting somewhere
[17:20] <PaulCDR> thanks for that
[17:21] <chrisg7ogx> ok for instance my output is line 1 (virtual audio)
[17:21] Action: mfa298 thinks is must now be time for food (and cleaning mud off of things)
[17:21] <mfa298> I'll stick the couple of images I took of the landing spot in a bit as well.
[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> my input in fldigi is line !
[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> have you recovered bonzo??????
[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> line 1
[17:22] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx: I did
[17:22] <chrisg7ogx> well done..look forward to phots..i had car for a searh tomorrow
[17:23] <mfa298> I'd gone half the way there to try and track its descent so it seemed sensible to go a bit further
[17:23] <chrisg7ogx> i was looking forward to that can u put it back please?!!!!
[17:23] <mfa298> motorways aren't the nicest roads to be driving along at the moment, lots of spray out there!
[17:23] <chrisg7ogx> was it visible from road?
[17:24] <chrisg7ogx> wx is orrible suprised there's been no pile ups
[17:24] <mfa298> Not really. I got a fix from it's telemetry when it was down but at that point I was within a mile so it seemed a bit silly to just leave it there.
[17:25] <mfa298> Looks like someone had come off the A34 earlier
[17:25] <chrisg7ogx> paul imagine you are connecting leads physically when using the software
[17:25] <mfa298> M27 and the M3 seemed ok though.
[17:25] <chrisg7ogx> only you getting a fix no DF cross fix? did u just walk down the bearing then?
[17:27] <mfa298> didn't have much to df with - the rally I went to earlier didn't have much in the way of 70cms yagis :(
[17:27] <mfa298> got the gps coords via the radio and then drove to the right sort of area and looked in the field.
[17:27] <Babs> cool shots on bbc2 at the moment of the russians throwing out parachutes at 200km up in the 1960s to return film to earth
[17:27] <chrisg7ogx> so u just walked down the bearing?
[17:27] <mfa298> had it not been so visible I might have needed to df i.
[17:28] <mfa298> it
[17:28] <chrisg7ogx> yes recording that one
[17:28] <chrisg7ogx> where will u post ur photos?
[17:29] <chrisg7ogx> lifeboats are busy
[17:29] <mfa298> not sure yet but somewhere accessible.
[17:29] <mfa298> might just be dropbox for now.
[17:30] <mfa298> I just took a couple of the landing location.
[17:30] <chrisg7ogx> ok is that accessable by searching for, "dropbox"?
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[17:30] <mfa298> I'll post a url in a bit.
[17:30] <arko> jonsowman: you around?
[17:30] <PaulCDR> yeah chris, it was the output on the sdr that was tripping me up. still getting gibberish in fldigi, but least now im on the right track
[17:31] <jonsowman> arko: yup
[17:31] <chrisg7ogx> did you see the graphics of projected landing site?
[17:31] <mfa298> I think I need to find some food/drink and mud free clothes.
[17:31] <arko> I'm going on a hike to test my hab
[17:31] <chrisg7ogx> ok g nite
[17:31] <arko> Could I get it on spacenearus?
[17:31] <eroomde> yo arko
[17:31] <chrisg7ogx> u need to step into a batchelor's soup advert!
[17:31] <arko> Yo eroomde
[17:32] <Randomskk> arko: it just needs a payload doc
[17:32] <jonsowman> you'll need a flight doc
[17:32] <jonsowman> er yeah
[17:32] <jonsowman> that
[17:32] <Randomskk> from http://habitat.habhub.org/genpayload
[17:32] <Randomskk> if it has a valid payload doc it'l show up
[17:32] <Randomskk> if you've already made one that's fine
[17:34] <arko> Ahh I'm using aprs in the US.just got to the base of the mountainnow
[17:34] <arko> O well! No worries. It was for kicks anyway
[17:34] <Randomskk> if it's just aprs then atm there's no easy way
[17:34] <Randomskk> there should be soon
[17:34] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[17:37] <arko> :) ok
[17:37] <arko> At the base now. Off we go
[17:39] <Lunar_Lander> arko, flight today?
[17:40] <fsphil> only if be pedals really fast
[17:41] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[17:41] <mfa298> Pictures of a muddy field. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gs4qyvq22z9325a/Ktd3nxcrpV
[17:42] <mfa298> that's just a copy from what the phone uploaded. I've not done anything to improve them yet - I might try to do some sort of write up sometime.
[17:42] <PaulCDR> chris, im only getting one red line in fldigi, would you reckon this is because of not enough shift on the transmitter?
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[18:19] <mfa298> chrisg7ogx: seeing your comments earlier about making antennas, threaded rod and 34mm drain pipe works quite well.
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[18:19] <mfa298> This is a bit of what I did for a 2m one http://www.m1ari.co.uk/node/10
[18:20] <jonsowman> DIYpole
[18:20] <mfa298> craag has attempted doing a beam variation. At some point I'll probably have a go at a 70cms beam variation.
[18:26] <craag> mfa298 congrats on the recovery, thatll give you something to get started for a flight!
[18:27] <fsphil> oh man, mud!
[18:27] <fsphil> and it looked so nice on streetview :)
[18:28] <mfa298> lots of water on the roads as well around there.
[18:29] <craag> just drove back from london, water is everywhere!
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[18:30] <fsphil> so it's either flooding, or drought
[18:31] <craag> seems so, but i guess everything inbetweeen is less interesting.
[18:32] <fsphil> this is true
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[18:40] <chrisstubbs> I had a idea of setting up a bot that can forward IRC messages to HAB chasers as a SMS if they are offline/low signal
[18:40] <chrisstubbs> think that would be useful?
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[18:53] <Adam012> Hello all, sorry for the lack of follow up to yesterday's flight but I had to collect my new car today and I slept for 12 hours last night (only got 2 1/2hrs the night before because of last minute soldering etc for the flight).
[18:53] <Adam012> How did Dave's flight go today?
[18:53] <fsphil> all good Adam012
[18:53] <fsphil> recovered
[18:54] <Adam012> I just logged on to spacenear.us to take a look. Why did they only get 24400m in altitude?
[18:55] <fsphil> that might have been intentional, I'm not sure
[18:55] <fsphil> it was heading towards the dales
[18:55] <fsphil> which is a place you don't want to land
[18:55] <Adam012> Military ranges or large expanses of boggy land with few roads?
[18:56] <fsphil> both
[18:56] <fsphil> and mountains
[18:56] <fsphil> and trees
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> what's dales?
[18:56] <fsphil> valley
[18:56] <Adam012> We had plenty of the latter yesterday (boggy fields). I need to invest in a good pair of wellies.
[18:56] <fsphil> yes, an essential thing to bring on a chase!
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[18:56] <fsphil> I learned that lesson the hard way :)
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> what's wellies?
[18:57] <mfa298> After today I think I'm going to start keeping the walking shoes in the car and get a set of gaiters to keep in the car
[18:58] <Adam012> We've contacted the local farming community about our payload. We searched the field below where it was last heard and we had a good look around the village but no luck so we're relying on locals and word of mouth. I'm going to call the local police as well in case it gets handed in.
[18:59] <fsphil> did you include contact details on the box?
[19:00] <Adam012> When we were heading back we heard on the radio that a unidentified object had caused police to evacuate two streets. I breathed a sigh of relief when they said Heartfordshire.
[19:00] <fsphil> hah
[19:01] <Cillian> o_o
[19:01] <Upu> Evening Adam , Yagi next time :)
[19:01] <Upu> did BONZO get recovered ?
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi anthony
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> did you fly today also?
[19:01] <NigeyS> yup upu
[19:01] <Adam012> We put contact info on the box and I called the phone inside which is still working and left a text and voice mail. We couldn't track the phone because I forgot to register the new sim on the 'Find my phone' windows live site, doh! Otherwise yesterday would have been a much easier and more successful day!
[19:01] <Upu> evening Lunar
[19:01] <Upu> my payload flew as a passenger on Dave's balloon
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> hi NigeyS
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[19:01] <NigeyS> lo kev
[19:02] <Adam012> @Upu, we got no signal anywhere, would a yagi help?
[19:02] <Upu> well can do and can point out the direction to go in
[19:02] <Cillian> Would have helped yesterday
[19:02] <Upu> I would borrow/beg/steal one next time
[19:02] <Cillian> Adam012: btw, sorry for my confusion yesterday, thought you were the same person as Randomskk :p
[19:02] <Upu> you may be able to hear the payload but not decode it
[19:02] <Adam012> Make? I've seen the off guide.
[19:02] <Adam012> off = odd
[19:02] <Upu> but you'll know which direction
[19:03] <Upu> yeah you can make one from an old measuring tape
[19:03] <Adam012> Right, we'll look into making up a yagi. Is it hard to get the bnc plugs for the yaesu 790R
[19:04] <Upu> maplins
[19:04] <Cillian> maplin or ebay
[19:04] <Cillian> Don't buy crimp ones unless you have a crimp tool :p
[19:04] <Cillian> Recommend solder+clamp ones
[19:04] <Upu> http://tech-tut.com/?p=1709
[19:04] <Cillian> +RG58
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[19:04] <Geoff-G8DHE> Might be worth asking at a local amateur radio club, someone might have an old 70cms aerial available.
[19:04] <Cillian> all cheap on ebay
[19:05] <Adam012> I have crimping tools for R58, SMA and RJ45
[19:05] <Upu> yeah don't get a big one
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[19:05] <Upu> 5 elements is enough
[19:05] <Lunar_Lander> thanks Upu
[19:06] <Cillian> R58 crimper will do BNC, and you're very happy
[19:06] <Cillian> 5 ele with PVC pipe and tape measure is under 20 quid and not too hard.
[19:07] <Geoff-G8DHE> http://bit.ly/12hUmYn just get right size for co-ax cable you use.
[19:09] <mfa298> The other thing that's likely to help a lot is being close as it comes down. The lower the points you get the better idea you've got of where it might be.
[19:09] <Adam012> That's all brilliant. Bookmarked for half term reading, thank you!
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[19:09] <Adam012> We have to drive minibusses with kids and limiters (<60mph) so we wont reach the destination in time.
[19:10] <Upu> well depends on where its landing
[19:10] <Adam012> Also, toilet breaks :-(
[19:10] <Upu> daveake may be about next to assist
[19:10] <daveake> Oh?
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[19:11] <Adam012> I won't be planning anymore february launches - very unpredictable weather!
[19:11] <Adam012> Hi Dave, how did the launch go?
[19:11] <Upu> yeah weather is a bit of an issue
[19:11] <daveake> daveake is somewhere on the M1
[19:11] <Upu> ah ok
[19:11] <Upu> not home then :)
[19:11] <Upu> Hi Julie
[19:11] <Adam012> Hi Julie!
[19:11] <daveake> Cold windy snowy ... Went well :-)
[19:12] <mfa298> it certainly is possible to get there before the baloon, I know project Sharp last year were in a minibus and almost managed to catch the payload as it came in.
[19:12] <Adam012> Wow, I'd love to see it landing.
[19:12] <Upu> any day you get the payload back is a good day
[19:12] <daveake> Hisez Julie
[19:12] <daveake> Yup
[19:12] <Upu> oh is Julie driving ?
[19:13] <Upu> sorry I though she was on the comms
[19:13] <daveake> Crew of 18 today
[19:13] <Adam012> As the only thing that went wrong was me forgetting to register the new SIM I'm pretty confident of retrieval on the next launch. I was very pleased with our flight computer.
[19:13] <Upu> lol
[19:13] <fsphil> 18?!
[19:13] <daveake> Nah stopped for soup and toastie
[19:13] <Adam012> 18?
[19:13] <Upu> how was the "talent" ?
[19:13] <daveake> Ill tel
[19:13] <daveake> Ha
[19:13] <mfa298> Just looked at that link for bnc's - those might be 75 ohm ones (although the picture lookes more like a 50ohm one)
[19:14] <daveake> HaWill send photos :-)
[19:14] <Upu> rgr :)
[19:14] <Upu> any ideas why BUZZ and CLOUD were silent ?
[19:14] <Geoff-G8DHE> Many BNC's are no longer made for one or the other they have the same sized pin ...
[19:14] <daveake> Cloud didnt fly
[19:15] <daveake> Customer broke buzz
[19:15] <Upu> crikey
[19:15] <Adam012> Customer?
[19:15] <Upu> Commercial Launch
[19:15] <Upu> some people are willing to pay to put their product "IN SPACE"
[19:16] <Upu> will have a chat when you're back daveake probably tomorrow I suspect :)
[19:16] <daveake> Well---all still connectedto power no signal whatsoever
[19:16] <daveake> Ntx2
[19:17] <daveake> I'll check it out tomorrow
[19:17] <daveake> Cumbria doesnt have much 3g
[19:17] <daveake> Yep:-)
[19:17] <Upu> any ideas on the crappy GPS signal on AVA ?
[19:17] <daveake> How's Mrs Upu?
[19:17] <Upu> She's actually alot better
[19:17] <Upu> relatively
[19:17] <Upu> she actually got out of bed today but is still very weak
[19:17] <Upu> Working from home tomorrow
[19:18] <Adam012> What happened?
[19:18] <Upu> She got proper flu
[19:18] <daveake> That was 11" from nearest gopro
[19:18] <Adam012> Flu jab?
[19:18] <Upu> not like bad cold, in bed for 4 days can't get up flu
[19:18] <Upu> hmm thats odd then
[19:18] <daveake> Our cat still not eating is on a drip note
[19:18] <daveake> Now
[19:18] <Upu> odd as it regained satellites on ground
[19:19] <Upu> 10p says they want to do an ex lap
[19:19] <Upu> how old is it ?
[19:19] <daveake> 9
[19:19] <Upu> fur ball in stomach
[19:22] <Adam012> Not usually for more than a couple of days.
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[19:25] <Adam012> Does anyone have a recommendation for a soldering iron (suitable for surface mount as well as stripboard sized components)?
[19:26] <Upu> Hakko FX888
[19:26] <Adam012> My 15W cheepie has finally given up the ghost and won't tin. I had to sand the tip just to get the last work done on Horizon's computer.
[19:26] <Upu> hard to get in the UK
[19:26] <Upu> http://dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505
[19:26] <Upu> unsure what power plug that has on it
[19:26] <Upu> Caveat emptor
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> btw Upu can an arduino Due power the ublox directly?
[19:27] <Upu> no idea
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> product page claims an output of 800 mA
[19:27] <Upu> if thats at 3.3v then yes it can
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[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[19:27] <Lunar_Lander> "DC Current for 3.3V Pin 800 mA"
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[19:43] <mattbrejza> Lunar_Lander: you sure 800mA isnt for all the outputs?
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[19:43] <mattbrejza> a single micro pin putting out 800mA seems too much
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[19:44] <mattbrejza> and i seem to remember ubloxes liking a decent path to Vcc (even a ferrite bead increased lock time)
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> that makes me wonder as well
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> but I think the power pins on an arduino aren't driven by the CPU
[19:44] <Lunar_Lander> but by the regulators
[19:44] <mattbrejza> so thers a buffer on all the pins?
[19:45] <mattbrejza> i think thats unlikely, looking at the board, cant see any
[19:45] <Lunar_Lander> I mean only the pins that are meant to provide voltage
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> not the digital or analog I/O
[19:46] <mattbrejza> oh you mean off the arduinos vcc line
[19:46] <Lunar_Lander> yes
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[19:47] <mattbrejza> so yea that should be fine, its just a regulator output like any other
[19:48] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
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[19:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi radim_OM2AMR
[19:52] <radim_OM2AMR> evening Lunar_Lander :-)
[19:52] <Lunar_Lander> how are you today :)?
[19:52] <radim_OM2AMR> good, and you ? What about your flight HW ?
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> ah that is all way
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> well
[19:53] <Lunar_Lander> only have to pass chemistry tomorrow :)
[19:54] <radim_OM2AMR> ohh, study& :-) so I'm crossing fingers for tomorrow :-)
[19:54] <Lunar_Lander> thanks :)
[19:54] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu is there ?
[19:55] <Lunar_Lander> I think so
[19:55] <radim_OM2AMR> ping Upu :-)
[19:56] <Upu> hey Radim
[19:56] <Upu> hows it going ?
[19:56] <radim_OM2AMR> hey Upu, thanks :-) I have one question regarding 1.8V ATMEGA
[19:56] <radim_OM2AMR> I'm unable to run it bellow 2.0 V
[19:57] <Upu> what speed crystal ?
[19:57] <radim_OM2AMR> 4 MHz
[19:57] <radim_OM2AMR> same fuses like yours, only one exception, I'm using "default" bootloader
[19:57] <Upu> boot loader may not work
[19:57] <Upu> what are your fuse vlaues ?
[19:57] <Upu> values
[19:58] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, I'm not planing to use bootloader as well, I ave ICSP only
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[19:59] <Lunar_Lander> which ICSP device do you have?
[19:59] <radim_OM2AMR> lfuse=FD, hfuse DA, ext fuse=07 as I got error when I was trying FF
[19:59] <radim_OM2AMR> oh, some ATMEL based ICSP
[20:00] <Lunar_Lander> ah AVRISP?
[20:00] <Upu> give me 2
[20:00] <radim_OM2AMR> ...and avrdude
[20:00] <Upu> ext FF
[20:00] <Upu> try that
[20:02] <radim_OM2AMR> sec, I have to catch the error message
[20:02] <Upu> oh you did try it
[20:02] <Upu> how odd
[20:03] <Upu> I guess programming it all works fine via AVR studio ?
[20:03] <Upu> fuses etc
[20:03] <radim_OM2AMR> so you just wrote ext fuse FF and that's all ? :-)
[20:04] <Upu> no fuses as you put
[20:04] <Upu> does your programmer go down to 1.8v ?
[20:05] <radim_OM2AMR> no, I'm trying to program it at 3.3V, then I switch to 1.8V, is it wrong way ?
[20:07] <radim_OM2AMR> avrdude: safemode: lfuse reads as FD
[20:07] <radim_OM2AMR> avrdude: safemode: hfuse reads as DA
[20:07] <radim_OM2AMR> avrdude: safemode: efuse reads as 7
[20:07] <radim_OM2AMR> avrdude: safemode: efuse changed! Was ff, and is now 7
[20:07] <radim_OM2AMR> Would you like this fuse to be changed back? [y/n]
[20:08] <Upu> never tried that
[20:08] <radim_OM2AMR> when I select yes, avrisp seems to be in some luup
[20:08] <nigelvh> Doesn't safemode not actually write the stuff?
[20:08] <radim_OM2AMR> loop
[20:08] <Upu> tbh I program at 1.8v
[20:08] <Upu> via Arduino
[20:08] <Upu> custom board file
[20:09] <radim_OM2AMR> nigelvh, it will write but other values, that FF value for efuse is not so correct according http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc
[20:10] <Upu> hang on radim_OM2AMR
[20:10] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu thanks, I'll try it
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[20:10] <nigelvh> Generally I just write them to the same as the arduino ones.
[20:10] <nigelvh> I use the same chips.
[20:12] <Upu> http://i.imgur.com/7HHW81p.jpg
[20:12] <Lunar_Lander> I got a question about the ublox, a friend bought an MAX-6 and he wonders if it would work without an antenna?
[20:12] <Upu> thats via ATMEL Studio
[20:12] <Upu> no it won't Lunar
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> OK
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> the thing is he makes an autopilot for his RC plane (so I understood him) and he now ordered a chip directly from ublox
[20:13] <radim_OM2AMR> Great Upu, thank you, so I must write somehow efuse for FF
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> before I could show him your shop
[20:13] <Upu> Unlucky
[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[20:14] <Upu> ublox direct are very expensive
[20:14] <radim_OM2AMR> nigelvh, if you remember, what fuse setings are you using for 1.8V/4MHz ?
[20:14] <Upu> btw radim_OM2AMR
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> whoa 75 euros for the module alone?
[20:15] <Lunar_Lander> and 50 euros shipping and 20% tax
[20:15] <Upu> Low 0x62 / High 0xDA / Ext 0xFF runs on internal clock @ DIV/8 = 1Mhz
[20:15] <nigelvh> radim, I don't think you need to change the fuses from what arduino uses. You just need to adjust the compiler (board file) to say how fast the crystal is.
[20:16] <Upu> well you need to turn the BODLEVEL off
[20:16] <Upu> Arduino set it to 2V7
[20:16] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, no I will not use internal clock
[20:16] <nigelvh> Oh, well then turn that off, otherwise should be similar.
[20:17] <radim_OM2AMR> nigelvh, I have changed board file, but with different fuses like reglar arduino
[20:17] <nigelvh> Besides the BODLEVEL, the default fuses should work.
[20:18] <Upu> yep I agree
[20:18] <nigelvh> default ARDUINO fuses.
[20:18] <Upu> default 3.3V fuses
[20:18] <Upu> not the 5Mhz ones
[20:18] <radim_OM2AMR> OK, I'll try it in a minute :-)
[20:18] <Upu> just use mine I KNOW they work
[20:19] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu but I'm using yours :-) only without the efuse...
[20:19] <Upu> let me see what 07 does
[20:20] <Upu> haha
[20:20] <radim_OM2AMR> what ?
[20:20] <Upu> internal crystal CKDIV8
[20:20] <Upu> you're running at 1Mhz
[20:20] <Upu> sorry
[20:21] <Upu> external crystal
[20:21] <radim_OM2AMR> understand
[20:21] <Upu> divided by 8
[20:21] <nigelvh> So 1/2 of 4MHz
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, one more question
[20:21] <nigelvh> oops, 1/2MHz
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> the antenna gets connected to RF_IN?
[20:21] <Upu> 500khz
[20:21] <Upu> yes Lunar_Lander
[20:21] <Lunar_Lander> thanks
[20:21] <Upu> CKOUT is also set don't know what that is
[20:22] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, when I put my fuses to the http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc, there is no CKDIV8 :-(
[20:22] <radim_OM2AMR> So probably that's wrong calc...
[20:22] <Upu> its wrong
[20:23] <Upu> The CKOUT Fuse allows the system clock to be output on PORTB0
[20:23] <Upu> sorry
[20:23] <Upu> I'm talking rubbish
[20:24] <Upu> extended 0x09
[20:24] <Upu> sets the BODLEVEL to an invalid value
[20:24] <Upu> 0x0E = 1.8v
[20:24] <Upu> 0x0F = Disabled
[20:25] <Upu> disabled actually saves power
[20:25] <Upu> as its not running the internal ADC
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[20:28] <Gadget-Mac> Upu: A possible word of caution on turning off BOD http://blog.stevemarple.co.uk/2013/02/the-importance-of-brown-out-detection.html
[20:31] <nigelvh> Unfortunately they don't have a BOD level lower than 1.8V
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[20:33] <Upu> AVR ADC is crap it reads 1.8v as 1.7 sometimes
[20:33] <Upu> Noted Gadget-Mac but I think I'll take my chances
[20:33] <Upu> thx
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[20:33] <Upu> I don't mean that in an arrogant way btw, I do mean thx for the info I wasn't aware of that
[20:34] <nigelvh> At least in the case of a tracker, it only needs to run once. Not like a remote solar powered device.
[20:34] <Upu> tracker rebooted itself today on the way down
[20:34] <Upu> which is very odd
[20:34] <Upu> never seen that before
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[20:34] <NigeyS> which 1 rebooted ?
[20:34] <Upu> AVA
[20:34] <NigeyS> ouch
[20:35] <Upu> did everything it was mean too and recovered
[20:35] <NigeyS> i still find that sat count weird
[20:35] <Upu> yeah I can't explain that
[20:35] <NigeyS> 4 > 6 then <4 again .. quite unusual
[20:35] <Upu> we used a stub antenna
[20:36] <Upu> and I'm wondering if the lack of a ground plane caused interference
[20:36] <NigeyS> possible
[20:36] <Upu> as it approached the ground it got more satellites back
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[20:42] <radim_OM2AMR> Upu, so according to ATMEGA328P datasheet, ext fuse should be 0x07 to disable BOD, when you are using 0xFF it is the same, as BODLEVEL bits are least significant bits
[20:43] <radim_OM2AMR> other bits are unused
[20:45] <radim_OM2AMR> so If I have BOD disabled, it should run at 1.8V, that's realy odd :-(
[20:45] <Upu> via ATMEL software I get 0x09
[20:45] <radim_OM2AMR> :-) so where is the truth now :-)
[20:46] <radim_OM2AMR> are we talking about atmega328P ? :-)
[20:47] <Upu> yep
[20:47] <Upu> hang on
[20:47] <nigelvh> FF looks like off to me.
[20:47] <Upu> FF is off
[20:48] <Upu> and what I use
[20:48] <Upu> sorry ignore the 0x09
[20:48] <Upu> BOD disabled = 0XFF
[20:49] <Upu> 0x0F does the same but if you select it in AtmelStudio it is disabled
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[21:57] <Laurenceb_> https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvzsy2exja1r08qs8o1_500.jpg
[21:58] <lz1dev> sigh
[22:00] <arko> woot
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[22:00] <arko> took my hab on a hike today http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=13&call=a%2FN6ARA&timerange=86400&tail=86400
[22:04] <nigelvh> Lookin' good!
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[22:08] <arko> took some pictures with my new phone
[22:08] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/Cy1NV57.jpg
[22:08] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/T7VqFnf.jpg
[22:08] <arko> the panorama mode is really cool on the nexus4
[22:09] <nigelvh> I have the iPhone 5 and it does the same thing. Though for panoramas I prefer to use Photosynth
[22:09] <arko> yeah
[22:09] <arko> these came out meh
[22:10] <kiwi_> That's very cool arko, is that near Los Angeles?
[22:10] <arko> yes
[22:10] <nigelvh> The first was better than the second. You're in much closer quarters in the second which is always harder.
[22:10] <arko> yea
[22:10] <arko> also i moved fast
[22:10] <arko> it blurred
[22:10] <arko> but the hab test went just fine :)
[22:10] <arko> which was more important :P
[22:11] <nigelvh> You using an HX1?
[22:12] <arko> micro-trak at the moment
[22:12] <arko> it's suppose to be the primary radio in case the tracker we designed fails
[22:12] <arko> the one we designed is a gsm based tracker
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[22:17] <kiwi_> arko: Do you have a link to micro-trak specs?
[22:18] <arko> http://www.byonics.com/mt-rtg
[22:18] <kiwi_> Thanks
[22:18] <arko> http://wiki.032.la/nsl/HABEX2#Alpha_Radio_Specs
[22:19] <arko> the first link in that section is a circuit analysis i did of their board
[22:19] <arko> so you know what to expect
[22:21] <kiwi_> Wow that's a lot of info
[22:22] <arko> srs biz
[22:22] <arko> :
[22:22] <arko> :P
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[22:24] <kiwi_> Why do you go through all that trouble with HABEX2? Is it that hard to launch a HAB?
[22:25] <arko> no
[22:25] <arko> i lost my last one
[22:25] <arko> this one i dont plan to lose ;)
[22:25] <arko> plus, its more a learning experience
[22:25] <kiwi_> Good reasons.
[22:25] <arko> env testing and circuit analysis
[22:26] <arko> to building and testing and testing and testing
[22:26] <arko> etc etc
[22:26] <kiwi_> Failure can really get you motivated ;)
[22:26] <arko> yep!
[22:27] <kiwi_> Regarding the circuit analysis, do you trust the temperature limits? I bet they are conservative.
[22:27] <arko> they are, and could probably survive harsher
[22:28] <arko> temp is important for passive components that can change properies with temperature swings
[22:28] <arko> like resistors
[22:28] <arko> but it depends
[22:28] <arko> batteries
[22:28] <arko> i g2g get lunch, im starving
[22:28] <arko> brb
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[23:21] <Randomskk> kalman filters: magic
[23:21] <Randomskk> i have decided
[23:22] <nigelvh> Randomskk's proclamation
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[23:30] <Laurenceb_> heh
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> im trying to make them work atm
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> and failing :-/
[23:31] <Randomskk> I just wrote my very first ever kalman filter
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[23:31] <Randomskk> just 2d position, speed, accel with the state noise going into accel and measurements on position
[23:31] <Randomskk> to estimate speed from GPS fixes
[23:32] <Randomskk> worked first time
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> heh
[23:32] <Randomskk> though - initially it took like 10s to stabalise
[23:32] <Randomskk> I realised because I had x(0) as [0,0,0,0,0,0
[23:32] <Randomskk> but the first data point is in the UK and in UTM that's a huuuuge number
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> im trying to fit nonlinear elasticity from position and pressure data
[23:32] <Randomskk> that sounds more exciting admittedly
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> its not working that well
[23:32] <Randomskk> :(
[23:32] <Randomskk> upgrade to a particle filter :D
[23:32] <Laurenceb_> but probably cuz i screwed up
[23:33] <Randomskk> I'm doing it in python so now hate np.dot()
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> going to try it in matlab to rule out matrix screw ups
[23:33] <Randomskk> just annoying when you have like ten terms
[23:33] <Laurenceb_> ive done it in c
[23:33] <Randomskk> mm ik
[23:33] <eroomde> i think if it's unimodal, you use a damn kalman filter
[23:33] <Randomskk> saw your code
[23:33] <eroomde> is my conclusion for real world stuff
[23:33] <Randomskk> hehe
[23:33] <Randomskk> they do appear to be magic
[23:34] <Randomskk> put a proper grin on my face seeing decent speeds suddenly spit out of some linear algebra magic that had position inputs only
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/EKF_Estimator_Nonlin.c
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[23:34] <Randomskk> actually finding decent values for Q and R is going to be silly but for now wild guesses will suffice
[23:34] <eroomde> decent or descent?
[23:34] <Randomskk> decent
[23:34] <Randomskk> not modelling HABs atm
[23:34] <Laurenceb_> often you have to use nonphysical values for it to work best
[23:35] <eroomde> that's a very unsatisfactory notion
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[23:36] <arko> kalmans rock
[23:36] <eroomde> how was hiking?
[23:36] <arko> fun
[23:36] <arko> very nice escape
[23:36] <arko> did you see the pictures?
[23:36] <arko> i do enjoy multimodal problems where particle filters and such are used
[23:37] <eroomde> i didn't see the pictures
[23:37] <arko> [14:08:22] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/Cy1NV57.jpg
[23:37] <arko> [14:08:26] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/T7VqFnf.jpg
[23:39] <eroomde> very nice
[23:39] <eroomde> looks like perfect conditions
[23:39] <arko> yeah
[23:39] <Laurenceb_> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=246209
[23:39] <Randomskk> oh wow, nice pics
[23:39] <arko> it was a tad cold but it made it better
[23:39] <Randomskk> that looks lovely
[23:40] <arko> Laurenceb_: that were you are?
[23:40] <Laurenceb_> i _was_ in oxford
[23:40] <arko> ahhh
[23:40] <arko> very pretty
[23:41] <arko> eroomde: you in mohave?
[23:41] <eroomde> no
[23:41] <eroomde> a (literally) flying visit tomorrow
[23:41] <arko> ahhh
[23:41] <arko> ok, i thought you were gonna spend the night in the desert
[23:41] <eroomde> nope
[23:41] <eroomde> no particular desire to do that :)
[23:41] <eroomde> i'm having a bit of a down day today
[23:42] <arko> yeah, the mohave sucks
[23:42] <eroomde> been walking/eating.drinking/meeting people constantly the last ages
[23:42] <arko> nice
[23:42] <eroomde> i'm having a few hours of just chilling
[23:42] <arko> its good to take a breath while on vacation
[23:43] <eroomde> yeah indeed
[23:43] <Laurenceb_> arko: which panorama software do you use?
[23:44] <arko> the one on the nexus4
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> ah
[23:44] <Laurenceb_> ive never found a really decent panaorama package.. but maybe i just suck at photography
[23:45] <arko> im not the best either :P
[23:46] <nigelvh> I love Photosynth
[23:47] <nigelvh> They have an iPhone app. Don't know if they have it for android.
[23:47] <eroomde> i didn't take a photo of the breakfast itself but this chap made me breakfast (eggs benedict his style) and they were wonderful
[23:47] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8462943758/in/set-72157632591417825
[23:48] <arko> wow nice
[23:48] <eroomde> was a seriously quirkly place
[23:48] <eroomde> there were menus
[23:48] <arko> i've been thinking about buying your camera... it looks really nice
[23:48] <arko> shoots*
[23:48] <eroomde> but you didn't so much pick what you wantedfrom the menu as negotiate with him what you'd be served
[23:49] <eroomde> 'you fancy grits?'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'er..'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'meat?'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'well, I..'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'you like meat or what? veggie?'
[23:49] <nigelvh> http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=7a27536d-b496-481b-a39f-c601c26a24b6&m=false&i=0:0:0&c=0:0:0&z=528.492215738083&d=2.74794949688038:-2.37383696316497:-2.08535368654343&p=0:0&t=False
[23:49] <eroomde> 'I was thinking,'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'what about spices? you like hot food?'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'i'll do you my eggs Royston'
[23:49] <eroomde> 'Ok!'
[23:50] <eroomde> arko: i do like it. i might even prefere something with manual focus
[23:50] <eroomde> i think learning to be fast an manual focus would be a great asset for candids
[23:50] <eroomde> fast at manul*
[23:50] <eroomde> manual*
[23:51] <nigelvh> Here's a really great full sphere I did. http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=fc30d188-d71e-4f72-86f4-1e3fc0bd5826&m=false&i=0:0:0&c=0:0:0&z=528.492215738083&d=0.224615021167544:-2.48464246247434:-2.09424540691525&p=0:0&t=False
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[23:52] <arko> haha, interesting folks
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Ickjkep.jpg
[23:53] <arko> yeah, manual focus would be nice
[23:53] <arko> or at least a changable lens
[23:53] <arko> wow nice pic
[23:54] <eroomde> yeah, though less bothered by changeable lenses
[23:54] <eroomde> for the kind of photos i want to take wandering around anyway
[23:55] <eroomde> zoom is feet
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[23:55] <eroomde> that said if i had to get one lens it might be a 50 over a 35 for wandering around
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> nigelvh: silverlight?!
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> bo not want
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> *do
[23:55] <eroomde> often find the 35 of the x100 is slightly wider than the image was in my mind's eye
[23:55] <Laurenceb_> danm dlexia
[23:56] <arko> i see
[23:56] <Randomskk> eroomde: 50s <3 <3
[23:56] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's a microsoft product. You can get it to export as JPGs, but the full sphere panoramas that let you move around run silverlight.
[23:56] <eroomde> but that might just as much be me needing to retain my mind's eye
[23:56] <eroomde> Randomskk: indeed.
[23:56] <Randomskk> or just 50s being lovely and wonderful, especially for candids and portraits
[23:56] <Randomskk> ugh some kind of stupid plotting bug is drawing one of these traces 30 points offset from the rest
[23:57] <eroomde> i shall get the 50 summicron f/2 (and something to attach it to) come the glorious day when funds allow
[23:57] <Randomskk> but if I specifically don't draw that trace, a different one gets offset instead
[23:57] <Randomskk> cry
[23:57] <Randomskk> a glorious day indeed
[23:57] <eroomde> i enjoyed this chap
[23:58] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8458571309/in/set-72157632591417825/lightbox/
[23:58] <eroomde> he was eyeing up the cheese i was eating
[23:58] <arko> looks like he's ready to kill
[23:59] <eroomde> he would have done if i was smaller than him, I'm sure
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