highaltitude.log.20130207

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[00:11] <MrCraig> I calculated 500miles @ 0.45 = 225 + approx 30 each way for car on train in tunnel = 285, round up a little = 300. If you can keep your costs from swaying much from this, and predictions continue to reflect a good chance of landing in france. You're on - We'll try a cross channel flight.
[00:11] <MrCraig> crap
[00:12] <MrCraig> go post it all public why not <grin>
[00:12] <Randomskk> I might have to be back by saturday evening :P
[00:13] <jonsowman> doable ;)
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[00:14] <Randomskk> we could totally get back in time though right
[00:14] <Randomskk> and bring cillian some birthday wine ;)
[00:15] <jonsowman> Randomskk: definitely
[00:15] <jonsowman> MrCraig: if we're planning on doing this, it might be worth trying to launch a bit earlier than 10?
[00:16] <MrCraig> We can try to arrive earlier, but we have a 1 hour 40 drive to launch site - I'm without a car so depending on friends. Chances are good we can get there between 1-2 hours earlier though, I need to discuss with them tomorrow (they each have their own commitments too)
[00:17] <jonsowman> sure, OK
[00:17] <MrCraig> 2 of them are local, the 3rd we might leave behind.
[00:17] <jonsowman> anyway let's have a look at predictions tomorrow
[00:17] <MrCraig> he complained about being here for 8am lol
[00:17] <jonsowman> haha
[00:17] <jonsowman> can you just turn up and jump on a train at the chunnel these days?
[00:18] <MrCraig> ok - lets follow predictions and pray my payload is up to the task too.
[00:18] <jonsowman> hehe
[00:18] <Randomskk> knew I brought my passport with me for a reason :P
[00:18] <MrCraig> Good question - Might have to pre-book the tickets. Lets look at predictions tomorrow, I don't mind punting up ticket costs even if we don't use them.
[00:19] <jonsowman> righto
[00:19] <MrCraig> I wish I could join you to be honest... I probably could.... but I do have that real early flight the following morning.
[00:20] <jonsowman> rebook it for Charles de Gaulle
[00:20] <jonsowman> :D
[00:20] <MrCraig> lol
[00:22] <MrCraig> I do wish
[00:23] <MrCraig> My real concern is, I just booked flights for my gf and myself back to England in April (planning to propose on that vaccation) - So with the costs on this project rising, valentines, and her birthday pending... I just declared bankruptcy. (*eek*) credit card will take a punch, but, hobbies aren't cheap - it's fun.
[00:23] <MrCraig> besides, my expenses on this business trip cover you - so it's no new cost.
[00:24] <jonsowman> hobbies are indeed expensive :(
[00:24] <jonsowman> the more fun, the more expensive, it usually seems
[00:26] <MrCraig> Yup, and I just started "re-tooling" to fly in the US on APRS... new radio, new payload to build... didn't someone post on the wiki once that this is an affordable hobby? They didn't consider the yacht I want to buy to launch my space glyder from.
[00:26] <jonsowman> haha
[00:26] <jonsowman> :D
[00:27] <jonsowman> I guess it's cheap compared to some things
[00:27] <MrCraig> I'm gonna run another simulation, post on my blog that I'll probably be attempting to cross the channel, and get some sleep. :-)
[00:27] <jonsowman> don't blame you
[00:27] <Randomskk> there was a page on the wiki detailing the stages of hab addiction iirc
[00:27] <jonsowman> oh yes
[00:27] <jonsowman> the final one did involve a boat iirc
[00:28] <MrCraig> lol
[00:28] <MrCraig> oh and as you can't get insured for it, the cost of being sued for damages to a prize bull are included I'm sure.
[00:28] <jonsowman> haha
[00:28] <jonsowman> oh that's a point, car insurance. better check I'm covered
[00:29] <jonsowman> will do tomorrow
[00:31] <MrCraig> I do wonder what damage a polystyrene box with a rubbery flexible antenna, traveling at 3m/s or so, can do to the head of a land based mammel. I actually doubt it could do much, and if it hit a vehicle for some reason it'd just smash, though the chute could be a problem (but you'd see it coming right?)
[00:33] <MrCraig> I reccon that'd just make you a bit grumpy, but little else.
[00:33] <Randomskk> unless it made you veer into oncoming traffic or something
[00:34] <MrCraig> well that's your own silly fault.... *ahem*
[00:34] <Randomskk> :P
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[00:59] <MrCraig> ok, time for sleep - good night all - I'll catch up with you tomorrow & friday with notes on arrangements.
[00:59] <MrCraig> Thanks for the offers jonsowman & Randomskk
[00:59] <jonsowman> no problem, we'll discuss further tomorrow
[00:59] <MrCraig> *nods - out :)
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[00:59] <jonsowman> night
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[02:51] <W0OTM> Howdy
[02:58] <nigelvh> Evening
[03:06] <eroomde> evening
[03:09] <arko> evening
[03:16] <nigelvh> How cordial of all of us to say evening, but not actually converse.
[03:17] <eroomde> welcome to england
[03:18] <nigelvh> Granted over there it's late (or early), but over here it's just after 7
[03:18] <eroomde> T.E Lawrence said that one of the inspirations for the opening of Laurence of Arabia was when he took a camel trip across the desert
[03:18] <eroomde> he and his man had not seen another human for days
[03:18] <eroomde> then, a spec shimmering in the distance
[03:18] <eroomde> over the course of 3 or 4 hours, the spec grew larger and closer
[03:19] <eroomde> until it became clear it was another english officer taking the same trip on camel in the opposite direction. neither of them would have seen another human for days
[03:19] <eroomde> as they passed each other, they merely acknoweledged each other with a polite subtle nod
[03:20] <eroomde> english
[03:20] <nigelvh> If you insist. I'd say it's just more of a man thing
[03:20] <eroomde> try it with italians
[03:21] <nigelvh> I don't know any, so I can't speak to that.
[03:21] <eroomde> also, 'over there' in my case is san francisco
[03:21] <nigelvh> Oh, then your "over there" is presently the same as mine.
[03:22] <eroomde> indeed
[03:22] <eroomde> approaching dinner
[03:22] <nigelvh> I had dinner a little bit ago. Made a tortilla with scrambled eggs and bacon. Breakfast burrito for dinner. Delicious.
[03:23] <eroomde> nice
[03:23] <eroomde> i think i might get something after a talk i'm going to shortly
[03:23] <eroomde> rockety themed photo from my stroll today
[03:23] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8452553678/in/photostream
[03:24] <nigelvh> Shiny
[03:24] <eroomde> it was
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[03:26] <SpeedEvil> nice!
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[03:29] <eroomde> also i went to Ames today
[03:29] <eroomde> it's quite a nice campus
[03:30] <eroomde> and the airship hangar is impressively big
[03:30] <nigelvh> Amazing stuff down there.
[03:30] <eroomde> also drove back up the west coast. silicon valley really is as underwhelming as everyone says it is
[03:30] <nigelvh> Yeah, it's not all too impressive.
[03:31] <eroomde> just low rise plain office buildings and roads and generic coffee places with large car parks
[03:32] <eroomde> a busy air though
[03:32] <eroomde> humming with people with ideas
[03:32] <nigelvh> In theory
[03:34] <eroomde> :)
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[08:07] <x-f> morning
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[08:08] <x-f> http://www.universetoday.com/99771/massive-science-balloon-breaks-records/ - HAB duration record in Antarctica (not by amateurs, though)
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[08:16] <Darkside> biiiiig zero pressure balloon
[08:17] <LazyLeopard> Impressive ;)
[08:17] <LazyLeopard> Also biiig budget ;)
[08:19] <fsphil> coo
[08:19] <fsphil> +l
[08:19] <UpuWork> morning
[08:19] <fsphil> I appear to have gone all pigeon
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[08:32] <costyn> :)
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[09:01] <nosebleedkt> super-tiger... tststs... 40km only ? Our HABs go more :D
[09:02] <UpuWork> not for as long though
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[09:07] <fsphil> or as impressivly
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[09:37] <lz1dev> good morning
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[09:46] <fsphil> morning!
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[12:04] <SamSilver> ha ha his would be great for hab http://imgur.com/gallery/8k7IAEj
[12:04] <mattbrejza> 'Now we just need WD-40 in tape form' :D
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[12:12] <fsphil> haha
[12:12] <fsphil> that alone could be the enclosure
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[14:11] <Laurenceb> <tnt> Laurenceb: 3x was ~ -10 dB 5x ~ -22 dB 7x ~ -35 dB
[14:11] <Laurenceb> <tnt> Laurenceb: test setup was : tune LMS to 400 MHz. Then tx a narrow band fm signal at 400, then 800, 1200, 1600, ... and looks at relative levels.
[14:11] <Laurenceb> if anyone is thinking of getting bladerf...
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[14:35] <Randomskk> Laurenceb: ??
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[16:09] <arko> Good morning
[16:09] <eroomde> morning arko
[16:09] <eroomde> why must i not go to noisebridge?
[16:09] <arko> Ummm
[16:10] <arko> You should go and find out :)
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[16:10] <arko> They arent that bad
[16:10] <jonsowman> hello eroomde
[16:10] <Hix> there is life in highaltitude :)
[16:11] <arko> eroomde: the apollo program flight controller is giving a talk at my uni today
[16:11] <eroomde> arko: you wouldn't be the first to say things about it
[16:11] <eroomde> presumably that is a human ratherthan a piece of hardware?
[16:12] <arko> You know when your friend tells you to not date/mingle with some chick because shes crazy? Yeah thats noisebridge
[16:13] <arko> Like bat$**t
[16:13] <arko> Anyway
[16:13] <arko> Yes human
[16:13] <arko> At mission control
[16:13] <eroomde> sy leibergot?
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[16:14] <arko> http://polycentric.csupomona.edu/news_stories/2013/02/apollo13-flight-controller-speaks.html
[16:14] <eroomde> ah cool
[16:15] <eroomde> sy leibergot helped do an interesting article inWired a few months ago
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[16:15] <eroomde> also a ret. flight controller
[16:15] <arko> Nice!
[16:15] <eroomde> about how missions were rn
[16:15] <eroomde> it's riaing!
[16:15] <arko> Glory days :(
[16:15] <eroomde> first non-blue sky i have seen in california
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[16:15] <arko> Damn it dude, why did you bring the weather here from the uk!
[16:16] <eroomde> sorry
[16:16] <arko> :P
[16:16] <eroomde> might have to just be indoors eating things today
[16:16] <eroomde> am visiting the goog tomorrow
[16:16] <eroomde> see if the free lunch is as good as the legend
[16:16] <arko> Woah goog
[16:16] <arko> Fun campus
[16:16] <arko> Lots of fun
[16:17] <eroomde> am looking forward to it
[16:17] <arko> Know someone there?
[16:17] <eroomde> yep
[16:17] <arko> Nice
[16:17] <eroomde> well, just made friends with him in the last coupla days
[16:17] <russss> heh
[16:17] <arko> Youll love the place
[16:17] <eroomde> flatmate of a friend of a friend in missions where i've been hanging a bit
[16:17] <arko> Steal the google car for me k?
[16:17] <eroomde> mission*
[16:17] <arko> Mission?
[16:18] <eroomde> bit of SF
[16:18] <arko> Oh!
[16:18] <arko> Drep
[16:18] <eroomde> then Napa Valley one day this weekend
[16:18] <arko> Winw it up
[16:18] <arko> Wine
[16:19] <eroomde> for cultural familiarisation
[16:20] <eroomde> so the ferry building by the port is a sort of artisany food farmers market arraagement
[16:20] <eroomde> i like it
[16:20] <eroomde> but i especially like the cheese place
[16:21] <eroomde> they guy there is so enthusiastic, and when he found out i was into cheese and from england he nearly exploded
[16:21] <arko> Mmmm cheese
[16:21] <arko> Hahaha
[16:21] <eroomde> like, imagine a remote christian sect got a visit from someone from jerusalem
[16:21] <arko> LOl
[16:21] <eroomde> he considered england and france to be the motherlands and had to share everything
[16:21] <eroomde> i tried about 100 american cheeses
[16:22] <arko> Nice, find a fav?
[16:22] <arko> favorite*
[16:22] <eroomde> and all the cats he's had with british makers about this and that and how the Neals Yard boys tried to out drink him and so on
[16:22] <eroomde> the blue point cheddar was super nice
[16:22] <eroomde> not cheddar, cheddar-esque
[16:23] <arko> Hmm interesting
[16:23] <eroomde> it was 18 months aged but tasted possibly even older
[16:23] <eroomde> really liked that
[16:23] <eroomde> bought a bit
[16:23] <eroomde> and a bottle of california pinot
[16:23] <arko> Nice
[16:23] <eroomde> and a sourdough baggette
[16:23] <eroomde> al from this market
[16:23] <eroomde> then had a wonderful dinner
[16:23] <arko> Dude, i could eat cheese and crackers with wine all day
[16:23] <russss> yeah that cheese guy is good, I think he has some Neal's Yard cheeses there
[16:24] <arko> Sounds good
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[16:24] <eroomde> russss: he does
[16:24] <russss> I have a Brit friend in SF who is a big cheese fan. At least he should be in SF, but the embassy is screwing him around on his visa so he's still in London
[16:24] <eroomde> i had to do side by side comparative tastings and give my opinion on ebverything
[16:24] <russss> haha
[16:25] <russss> hard life
[16:25] <eroomde> and soft life
[16:25] <eroomde> and goats life
[16:25] <eroomde> and sheep's life
[16:25] <eroomde> and blue life
[16:25] <eroomde> i really lived a lot of lives that visit
[16:25] <Hix> ping costyn
[16:25] <eroomde> might pop back today if the weather doesn't behave
[16:25] <arko> Im lost
[16:25] <eroomde> nvm
[16:30] <arko> Ugg, this lecture is so bland
[16:30] <arko> Its about rail guns, and im still bored
[16:30] <arko> -_-
[16:31] <eroomde> lol
[16:31] <eroomde> i went to a lecture last night
[16:31] <arko> Oh sweet
[16:32] <arko> Where at?
[16:32] <eroomde> made me resolve to finally sharpen up my linear algebra
[16:32] <eroomde> berkely
[16:32] <arko> Haha
[16:32] <eroomde> was run by the same group of friends who find an open lecture room and talk about something interesting for an hour or so
[16:32] <eroomde> once a week
[16:32] <arko> I got tons of friends up there, you should have told me
[16:32] <arko> Nicw
[16:33] <arko> Some interesting folks youd like
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[16:34] <eroomde> what they doing?
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[16:34] <arko> Computer security folks
[16:34] <arko> Some are ee
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[16:35] <arko> Damn i miss the bay area
[16:36] <eroomde> it's nice innit
[16:36] <eroomde> drove down the east and up the west yesterday
[16:36] <eroomde> just taking it in
[16:36] <eroomde> well, visiting Ames
[16:36] <arko> :)
[16:36] <arko> Oh sweet
[16:36] <arko> When?
[16:36] <eroomde> that was the point of it, but i enjoyed the drive a lot
[16:36] <arko> Oh nvm
[16:36] <Laurenceb> Randomskk: the bladerf has poor harmonic rejection
[16:37] <arko> eroomde is it easy to adapt to driving on the right side?
[16:37] <arko> Ws thinking about driving in the uk
[16:37] <jonsowman> *wrong side
[16:37] <arko> Was
[16:38] <arko> Uhh the RIGHT side ;)
[16:38] <jonsowman> :D
[16:38] <eroomde> arko: i don't usually have a problem
[16:38] <eroomde> especially in a car designed for the local system
[16:38] <arko> ? What car is that?
[16:38] <eroomde> driving in europe in my own car requires a bit more though sometimes, because you're on the other side of the lane
[16:39] <eroomde> your bum is, relative to the centre of the road, if you see what i mean
[16:39] <arko> Yep
[16:39] <arko> Figured that would take over
[16:39] <fsphil> that has got to be weird
[16:39] <arko> Some sort of mental thing
[16:39] <eroomde> but driving a US car in the US (i.e. sitting near the cnetre of the road) is easy - just a completel mirror image switch which i've never found too taxing
[16:40] <nick_> It's too easy
[16:40] <nick_> Computers should be doing it already
[16:40] <eroomde> where it's dangerous is when i'm in france in my car at out house and just forget i'm in francer
[16:40] <arko> Google car, eroomde is stealing one for me
[16:40] <eroomde> i'll just jump in the car and drive down a quiet road and suddenly realise i'm on the wrong side
[16:40] <Randomskk> eroomde: I am so, so jealous :P
[16:40] <Randomskk> sounds like you're having pretty much the best possible time
[16:41] <nick_> I spent a few days just driving in a straight line.
[16:41] <eroomde> Randomskk: it could be worse yep
[16:41] <arko> eroomde: hahaha
[16:41] <nick_> I would say my driver alertness level was ~-5
[16:41] <eroomde> they do life quite well here
[16:41] <arko> USA USA!
[16:42] <arko> We think we are #1!!
[16:42] <eroomde> SF BAY
[16:42] <fsphil> it's the thought that counts
[16:42] <arko> Haha
[16:44] <arko> Man im feeling loopy
[16:44] <eroomde> oh most important
[16:44] <arko> 3hiurs of sleep
[16:44] <arko> Hours
[16:44] <eroomde> yesterday i had lunch at tartine
[16:44] <eroomde> my bread mecca
[16:44] <fsphil> lack of sleep is what I imagine being drunk feels like
[16:45] <arko> Fsphil yes and no
[16:45] <arko> More fun to be drunk
[16:45] <arko> Lack of sleep just sucks
[16:46] <arko> Sitting here listening to lecture and being sleep deprived hurts..
[16:46] <arko> I wish i was drunk instead
[16:47] <arko> I should livestream this
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[16:48] <arko> Now i want bread,vinegar, and olive oil
[16:50] <eroomde> this would nbe some good bread for your fantasie
[16:50] <eroomde> i can't reallyget my oven quite hot enough to get his sourdough colour
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[16:53] <arko> Barbari is my favorite
[16:53] <arko> With feta cheese
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[16:56] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:56] <arko> Aloha
[16:57] <eroomde> http://i.imgur.com/bfzDDET.jpg
[16:57] <arko> Oh man i want to yell at this prof
[16:57] <eroomde> my stab at 'chad's bread'
[16:57] <arko> He just said SpaceX has no chance
[16:57] <arko> Now its personal
[16:57] <eroomde> not quite as nice as what i had at his place yesterday
[16:57] <eroomde> there are a few spaceX refugees at my friend's company
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[16:57] <arko> WHAT BREAD IS THAT?!
[16:57] <eroomde> my bread
[16:58] <eroomde> a sourdough loaf
[16:58] <fsphil> that thing looks like it might bite
[16:58] <eroomde> in the style of the country loaf in the tartine book
[16:58] <arko> that is one of my faves i just dont know what ita called
[16:58] <eroomde> which is the book produced by the bakery in that video
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[17:02] <arko> Cant watch it now sadly
[17:03] <eroomde> do when u can
[17:03] <eroomde> it'll make you miss the bay even more
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> if I construct an Arduino Uno on a perfboard and connect a GPS to the UART by soldering it in
[17:03] <Lunar_Lander> how can I disconnect the GPS while programming the chip?
[17:04] <eroomde> unsoldering it in
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[17:05] <fsphil> don't use serial programming
[17:05] <arko> ICSP port program it
[17:06] <arko> Or move the uart gps to another serial port
[17:06] <Lunar_Lander> ah the atmega328 only has one UART
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> what I could imagine would be to program the chip in the arduino uno and then move it into a socket on the target board
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> but on the target board I plan to have a 3.3V system with 8MHz oscillator
[17:07] <fsphil> I give it two goes before you bend a pin
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[17:07] <Lunar_Lander> what about having a switch that cuts the connection to the GPS?
[17:08] <arko> Power the gps off
[17:08] <arko> ?
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> yeah there would be a power rail from the battery to the board
[17:08] <arko> Switch on gps vcc
[17:08] <Lunar_Lander> if that is off and I connect a FTDI to the power and UART lines of the CPU, that should work
[17:09] <Elijah_> Use a processor with a second UART and forward the data to the second UART?
[17:09] <Elijah_> that's what I've done in the past
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> like an atmega644?
[17:09] <Elijah_> I think that ahs 2 UARTs, yea
[17:09] <arko> Or 2560
[17:09] <fsphil> it does
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> yeah that has 4
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> but is SMD only
[17:09] <Elijah_> Then you can use the second UART as a debugging port too
[17:09] <arko> Smd is the best
[17:11] <Elijah_> Yeah
[17:11] <Elijah_> You can make little SMD to DIP PCBs if you want to use it on protoboards
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah I actually got one of those
[17:12] <fsphil> or, just use ICSP like
[17:12] <nigelvh> The 1280 or 2560 are enormous chips for what Lunar needs
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> yeah
[17:12] <Lunar_Lander> for ICSP I need something like the AVRISP?
[17:13] <nigelvh> Lunar, consider using a software serial port.
[17:13] <Lunar_Lander> hm yea
[17:13] <staylo> what's so unpleasant about being drunk?
[17:13] <Elijah_> I've used the 644 before, it comes in DIP and isn't that expensive
[17:13] <Lunar_Lander> but with the ublox that isn't so good Upu said
[17:13] <Lunar_Lander> yeah but 644 doesn't work with arduino
[17:13] <Elijah_> I think the programmer is only like $40
[17:13] <staylo> Oops, I was reading the scrollback. A few hours late with that setup
[17:13] <nigelvh> I don't know about the specifics of the ublox
[17:13] <Elijah_> It works with the AVR ide
[17:14] <fsphil> conclusion was "it's better than lack of sleep" staylo :)
[17:14] <Elijah_> trying to remember the name of it
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[17:14] <Lunar_Lander> AVR Studio or so
[17:14] <Elijah_> avr studio or something
[17:14] <Elijah_> aah yeah
[17:15] <arko> Amtel Studio 6 now
[17:15] <arko> Incorps avr and arm
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[17:15] <Elijah_> Just saw that, nice
[17:15] <fsphil> I use the AVR-ISP500. it's great
[17:15] <fsphil> and cheap
[17:15] <Elijah_> I think it was ver 4 last time I used it
[17:16] <fsphil> ¬20
[17:16] <arko> Yeah its nice that the arm compiler is free now
[17:16] <Elijah_> I've been using the codesourcery port of GCC for arm, that works real well
[17:16] <fsphil> I seem to always fail at compiling gcc forarm
[17:16] <fsphil> hah, for arm
[17:17] <arko> I just have my compamy buy me IAR
[17:17] <arko> :)
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[17:17] <fsphil> yea if I was doing this as a job, I'd probably have saved money by just buying something
[17:17] <Elijah_> Yeah, I tried building it from scratch awhile back and gave up
[17:17] <arko> IAR is great, just expensive
[17:18] <Elijah_> It was close I think, but mentore graphics has it pre-built for free so why not use that :-)
[17:19] <fsphil> hopefully the arduino due stuff is packaged for fedora soon, it'll come with an arm compiler
[17:19] <Elijah_> The codesourcery one has an installer for *nix too
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> Elijah_, the sanguino is a 644 arduino derivate
[17:20] <Lunar_Lander> so that adds like the compability to the arduino IDE
[17:20] <Elijah_> aah
[17:21] <Lunar_Lander> and this is a homemade 644 http://blog.reprap.org/2008/09/stripboard-sanguino.html
[17:23] <arko> Cant wait to go to the archery store on saturday
[17:23] <arko> Finally buying a bow and some arrows
[17:24] <eroomde> who u gonna murder?
[17:24] <arko> Targets
[17:25] <arko> They are shifty.. just sitting there
[17:25] <nick_> How much does designating a target cost?
[17:25] <arko> Dont trust them
[17:25] <arko> No idea, gonna go to the range near my place
[17:26] <arko> Loved it as a kid, and i recently realizdd that i can afford my own
[17:26] <eroomde> the joy of growing up
[17:26] <arko> :)
[17:27] <eroomde> i still get excited on this holiday where i think 'hmm i' hungry... i can just go to a restaurnat!'
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[17:27] <eroomde> still in student mode, it feels v novel
[17:27] <arko> Hahaha
[17:27] <arko> So true
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[18:00] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Horizon Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Walsall"
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[18:25] <W0OTM> Howduy
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[18:36] <fsphil> yo yo
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[18:39] <nigelvh> yoyo
[18:40] <MrCraig> aboriginal weapon
[18:40] <MrCraig> I mean, yo yo
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[18:44] <nigelvh> My puppy decided that my phone interview was the perfect time to come sit on my lap.
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[18:44] <nigelvh> "Yes puppy, please distract me..."
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[18:47] <fsphil> no better time
[18:47] <fsphil> did the puppy get the job?
[18:47] <nigelvh> "Oh you're talking to someone? Now is the perfect time to get some loves"
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[18:48] <nigelvh> Dunno if she got the job yet. Phone interview was rather short, but didn't seem negative, and they said they'd get back to me.
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[18:48] <fsphil> that's ruff
[18:48] <nigelvh> haha
[18:49] <fsphil> any pics?
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[18:50] <jonsowman> hi MrCraig
[18:51] <Lunar_Lander> hi MrCraig
[18:51] <nigelvh> http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/20130207-105102.jpg
[18:52] <fsphil> ees a wee puppy!
[18:52] <nigelvh> Yep
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[18:52] <MrCraig> ok, I'm here
[18:52] <MrCraig> hi jonsowman
[18:52] <MrCraig> sorry for the delay, I just replied on email :)
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> MrCraig, could you elaborate on the biology balloon thing of yesterday please?
[18:53] <Lunar_Lander> what exactly happened?
[18:53] <MrCraig> I'm not certain how best to attend to the euro tunnel bookings, I took a look at the booking site and it seems to want time-slots.
[18:55] <MrCraig> Lundar_Lander - at the first annual UKHAS conference, Olyver de Payer gave us a run down of "what went wrong" in his attempt to search for bacteria in the atmos at high altitude. He attempted to raise a biology lab, with nano-itx form iirc computer, and ice packs for cooling equiptment. Not sure from memory if he swapped out the balloon for a rocket in the end. Ultimately, something went wrong and the payload plummeted into the nevada desert. We were
[18:55] <daveake> You book the one you think you want. If you get there early or late the checkin machine should offer alternatives, sometimes at an extra cost
[18:55] <MrCraig> a twisted mangle of metal and wires in a carrier bag.
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[18:56] <jonsowman> just reading your email MrCraig
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> MrCraig, yeah that rocket part I know
[18:56] <Lunar_Lander> thank you :)
[18:56] <MrCraig> np
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> by the way
[18:57] <Lunar_Lander> would you say, Sparkfun's OpenLog would work on a software UART?
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[18:58] <jonsowman> MrCraig: PM :)
[18:58] <MrCraig> Lunar_Lander - if that question was aimed at me, I have no idea.
[18:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah it was for everyone
[18:59] <daveake> In that case, I'll answer it ....
[18:59] <daveake> I have no idea.
[19:01] <nigelvh> Isn't the idea of the open log that it logs data and you don't have to connect it to a UART?
[19:01] <daveake> It's a serial --> SD card device
[19:01] <Lunar_Lander> as dave says
[19:01] <nigelvh> Oh, then I haven't used it, but if it's serial, I don't see why it couldn't use a software uart.
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[19:02] <daveake> Ditto. Should be fine.
[19:03] <Lunar_Lander> ok
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[19:15] <griffonbot> Received email: chris hillcox "[UKHAS] Re: Horizon Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Walsall"
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[19:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Steve Aerospace "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Horizon Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Walsall"
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[19:43] <radim_OM2AMR> evening all
[19:43] <Lunar_Lander> hi radim_OM2AMR
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[19:44] <radim_OM2AMR> I received vsome info from guys from neighboring Czech republic - from their CAA
[19:44] <radim_OM2AMR> hi lunar
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[19:44] <radim_OM2AMR> they have declined their request for flight permission with following claims:
[19:45] <radim_OM2AMR> they should have detailed description of cut-off mechanism - it's mandatory
[19:45] <radim_OM2AMR> they have to have backup cut-off also
[19:46] <radim_OM2AMR> there is cinetic energy limit also - for falling payload - it should be under 14.9 J
[19:46] <radim_OM2AMR> but not from calculation but from their own measurement...
[19:47] <radim_OM2AMR> and the last one - certificate for line - that the breaking force is under 230 N
[19:47] <SpeedEvil> 14j is damn low
[19:47] <radim_OM2AMR> yes, we had 36 J last flight...
[19:48] <radim_OM2AMR> and the both cut-off must be controlled from ground..
[19:48] <SpeedEvil> GPS is controlled from the ground
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[19:49] <radim_OM2AMR> SpeedEvil, but they must be able to interrupt the flight on behalf the ATC& strange strange
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> bringing that up is not likely to help though
[19:51] <radim_OM2AMR> I hope that such hard-to-do requests will not be included in ICAO soon
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[20:05] <griffonbot> Received email: MrCraig "[UKHAS] Artemis-1 Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Cambridge"
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[20:17] <Upu> busy weekend
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[20:37] <mattbrejza> hopefully my radio will arrive in time for the weekend :D
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[20:59] <MrCraig_mobile> So I'd like to run a test against my payload, probably tomorrow evening as it's getting close to pub o'clock. Create flight doc for a flight called something_test and request their approval?
[21:02] <x-f> you don't need an approved flight doc for testing
[21:02] <x-f> just create it, then select it from the "all payloads" tab in dl-fldigi
[21:04] <MrCraig_mobile> Thanks x-f
[21:04] <x-f> you're welcome
[21:05] <mattbrejza> a bit close to launch to just start testing?
[21:06] <fsphil> oh look a shiny distracting thing ...
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[21:07] <mfa298> 2 days before launch seems like a lot compared to some launches
[21:08] <MrCraig_mobile> mattbrejza - it's a previously tested payload. Just final checks that flight docs are in order
[21:08] <mattbrejza> ah
[21:09] <MrCraig_mobile> do I need docs for the android chase tracker? Or to do anything to introduce it to habitat?
[21:09] <mattbrejza> nope
[21:09] <MrCraig_mobile> ok great - thanks.
[21:09] <MrCraig_mobile> I'm off to the pub in a bit, I'll take an android and a payload.
[21:09] <mattbrejza> standard ublox/avr/ntx2 tracker?
[21:09] <mattbrejza> laters
[21:10] <Upu> Hey MrCraig x-f is correct as long as their is a valid document it will decode
[21:10] <Upu> test away
[21:10] <MrCraig_mobile> actually, old-skool LassenIQ / PIC / ntx-2
[21:10] <MrCraig_mobile> Thanks Upu :-)
[21:10] <mattbrejza> i still have a lassen payload
[21:11] <Upu> Lassens should be confined to the sea buy more ublox :)
[21:11] <mattbrejza> the antenna situation is annoying on them
[21:11] <Upu> I'll be tracking looks like a busy day
[21:11] <MrCraig_mobile> :-) This all started as a convenience flight.. I happen to be in a country where my old payload is legal to operate.
[21:12] <MrCraig_mobile> Now it's become something of a mission
[21:12] <MrCraig_mobile> that's how it goes I guess
[21:12] <mattbrejza> the 10mW radios arnt legal in america?
[21:12] <Upu> too low powered
[21:12] <MrCraig_mobile> the frequency is not license exempt and I'm not yet licensed.
[21:12] <MrCraig_mobile> working on it
[21:13] <MrCraig_mobile> besides, looks like the APRS system has a lot to offer
[21:13] <mattbrejza> well not worth it so much for uk launches
[21:13] <MrCraig_mobile> agreed
[21:14] <MrCraig_mobile> I like the look of the GeoSat 5/6 trackers, set APRS target and let it guide you like any other sat-nav, while adjusting for the target location.
[21:14] <MrCraig_mobile> Expensive though.
[21:15] <Lunar_Lander> ariane launch coming up
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[21:18] <domlin> evening all
[21:19] <fsphil> evnin'
[21:19] <MrCraig_mobile> evenin
[21:20] <chrisstubbs> passed my mock foundation HAM test :)
[21:21] <MrCraig_mobile> grats chriss
[21:21] <fsphil> nice one!
[21:21] <fsphil> when's the real one?
[21:21] <chrisstubbs> same time next week
[21:21] <fsphil> I enjoyed doing the foundation
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> what lisence do you have now?
[21:22] <fsphil> advanced
[21:22] <fsphil> it's not as much fun :)
[21:22] <chrisstubbs> it sounds interesting, but i dont think i would take advantage of it for the cost of the course
[21:23] <fsphil> yea, I still use my foundation callsign sometimes
[21:24] <Lunar_Lander> http://www.arianespace.tv/ launch coming up
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[21:25] <fsphil> nice
[21:28] <domlin> chrisstubbs: is the w50 still attached to your house?
[21:28] <chrisstubbs> *x50
[21:28] <chrisstubbs> yeah still going strong
[21:28] <domlin> w70*
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[21:32] <Lunar_Lander> Azerbaijan's first satellite launch
[21:34] <domlin> nice
[21:34] <domlin> do you know what the satellite does?
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[21:35] <chrisstubbs> orbits
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[21:35] <fsphil> ideally
[21:35] <nigelvh> Probably transmits some stuff.
[21:35] <domlin> nice
[21:35] <chrisstubbs> sorry ;)
[21:35] <domlin> OMG 10 secs
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[21:36] <fsphil> I gotta see a rocket launch in person
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[21:36] <daveake> Saw a shuttle launch once
[21:37] <scatterp> mattltm, are you about ?
[21:37] <fsphil> I may see a shuttle sometime
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[21:37] <fsphil> so that'll be half way there
[21:38] <domlin> me and chrisstubbs launched a rocket once, it's lost in a forest near my house somewhere
[21:38] <fsphil> if a rocket lands in a forest but no-one sees it ....
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> domlin, comsat
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> boosters off
[21:39] <Lunar_Lander> fairing sep
[21:39] <domlin> nice
[21:40] <domlin> anyone seen any images from the JAXA Hinode ?
[21:40] <chrisstubbs> :O 2.5 km/s
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> upper stage on
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[21:45] <Lunar_Lander> 7 km/s
[21:45] <fsphil> *woosh*
[21:46] <fsphil> except there's no sound
[21:46] <fsphil> so it's more ... **
[21:48] <domlin> some onboard cams would be cool
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[21:50] <fsphil> they've done before
[21:51] <W0OTM> howdy
[21:53] <W0OTM> iHAB Repeater Controller pic.twitter.com/MYm7on6B
[21:54] <domlin> oo never seen that battery before
[21:54] <domlin> whats the weight of it?
[21:54] <Upu> dinky
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[21:54] <W0OTM> just the battery?
[21:54] <W0OTM> 33g
[21:54] <Upu> those batteries have 6 1.5v small cells in usually ?
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> lithium
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> three
[21:54] <Upu> k
[21:55] <domlin> normal 9v have some sub aaa's in right?
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> aaaa
[21:55] <domlin> :|
[21:55] <domlin> i hate the fact that a quad a exists
[21:56] <W0OTM> http://www.ebay.com/itm/9V-Energizer-Advanced-Lithium-4-pack-/200891616209?pt=US_Single_Use_Batteries&hash=item2ec612cbd1
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[21:56] <domlin> might be silly, and pointless, but has anyone ever taken the outer foil off a battery to save weight?
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[21:57] <nigelvh> I did that to a AA, saves a little, not a ton
[21:58] <Adam012> Hmm, snow on Saturday. I don't like the idea of a shivering launch.
[21:58] <nigelvh> Also you then have to be really careful about using them in packs as they start shorting out through the case.
[21:58] <MrCraig> jonsowman - looks like the only remaining problem is the typical lassen lock-on issue. Will confirm once more tomorrow that it works from a location that I know to have worked just a week ago. All go for saturday :-)
[21:58] <domlin> ahh that's true.. yeah I can;t imagine losing a lot of weight :
[21:58] <jonsowman> MrCraig: I'm about to book the tunnel
[21:58] <jonsowman> :)
[21:59] <MrCraig> Great stuff :-)
[21:59] <fsphil> it's good fun Adam012
[21:59] <fsphil> wait
[21:59] <fsphil> the other thing
[21:59] <jonsowman> I can amend the times tomorrow should that be required, but I think the itinerary is good
[22:00] <MrCraig> Nothing left to do but start the fun. I'm out for now, the pub is calling.
[22:00] <griffonbot> Received email: A. Coghlan "[UKHAS] Re: Artemis-1 Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Cambridge"
[22:00] <chrisstubbs> mrcraig good luck!
[22:01] <MrCraig> Thanks chrisstubbs :)
[22:01] <MrCraig> btw, who is A. Coughlan?
[22:01] <MrCraig> nvm, not important
[22:01] <griffonbot> Received email: A. Coghlan "[UKHAS] Re: Horizon Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Walsall"
[22:03] <jonsowman> MrCraig: booked!
[22:04] <Adam012> Would anyone be interested in helping with the tracking of Project Horizon's first test launch?
[22:04] <Lunar_Lander> seperation of Amazonas 3
[22:04] <MrCraig> sweet :-)
[22:04] <fsphil> I suspect you'll have a fair few stations listening in Adam012 :)
[22:04] <Adam012> We're going up on Saturday morning (in the snowy wonderland that is going to be Walsall!)
[22:04] <fsphil> do you have a recent prediction?
[22:05] <Adam012> The recent predictions say landing North-Mid Hampshire
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[22:06] <chrisstubbs> Adam012 i will give it a go, not sure on my range yet though, from chelmsford
[22:06] <Adam012> We're unsure about just about everything. It's our first launch and although the wind is looking good the weather is not - cold and snowy.
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[22:07] <chrisstubbs> not sure what the snow would do to the latex?
[22:07] <fsphil> not much
[22:08] <fsphil> I've launched in sleet before
[22:08] <chrisstubbs> deary me :P
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[22:08] <fsphil> the biggest flaw was not having any feeling in the fingers
[22:08] <fsphil> couldn't tighten the cable ties on the filling kit
[22:08] <chrisstubbs> erm, i applied for 4 weekend launch windows in april yesterday, when should i expect to hear back from the CAA?
[22:08] <chrisstubbs> Never?
[22:09] Action: fsphil throws the dice
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[22:09] <fsphil> end of april
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> from what ive heard recently they are pretty hopeless
[22:09] <chrisstubbs> oh great ;)
[22:09] <fsphil> you won't hear anything until nearer the time
[22:09] <fsphil> but do keep reminding them
[22:09] <fsphil> often they just forget
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> ok, i will give them a call towards the end of the month and just bug them then
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> cheers
[22:10] <Lunar_Lander> SYLDA sep
[22:10] <chrisstubbs> and best of luck adam012, do you have a prediction link?
[22:11] <Lunar_Lander> Mission Complete
[22:13] <Adam012> Hi all, the hourly is setup for the worst case scenario of a late burst (I think it will be a lower burst due to passing through the weather system): http://magpieview.upuaut.net/
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[22:14] <Adam012> The CAA finally replied to me 2 days before our last launch and promised to send out certificates by this week.
[22:14] <Adam012> Still nothing.
[22:14] <Adam012> I'll be chasing them tomorrow.
[22:15] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] Re: Horizon Launch Announcement - Saturday 9th February - Walsall"
[22:17] <domlin> anyone ever had overhead cable issues with launches?
[22:17] <Adam012> Don't launch near them. Ever.
[22:17] <Adam012> No problem.
[22:19] <fsphil> yea, never launch within sight of cables
[22:20] <jonsowman> nova 21 very nearly landed in some
[22:20] <jonsowman> shockingly close (har har)
[22:21] <domlin> :p must have been an electrifying experience
[22:21] <jonsowman> it gave me quite a buzz, yes
[22:21] <fsphil> oh man, what sparked this?
[22:22] <domlin> maybe they didnt see the sine
[22:22] <jonsowman> wasn't my volt
[22:23] <bertrik> caused a bit of tension?
[22:23] Action: bertrik couldn't resist
[22:23] <jonsowman> it was pretty empowering
[22:23] <fsphil> oh yea, keep pyloning it on
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[22:24] <jonsowman> you're not helping the current situation
[22:24] <domlin> the amplitude of this problem is huge
[22:24] <fsphil> there's still some potential
[22:25] <fsphil> or it could be over in a flash
[22:25] <jonsowman> that would hertz
[22:26] <fsphil> frequently
[22:27] <domlin> no one should arc them what went wrong
[22:27] <chrisstubbs> i re-fuse to get involved in this
[22:27] <domlin> that one was pretty awful, i apologise.
[22:28] <domlin> ohm come on
[22:28] <fsphil> yea, quit impeding us
[22:28] <jonsowman> I think we should all coulomb down
[22:28] <domlin> might have to tesla the authorities
[22:28] <fsphil> we could all end up in a cell
[22:29] <jonsowman> that might ampere proceeedings
[22:29] <fsphil> charged with battery
[22:30] <chrisstubbs> the authorities can expect some resistance
[22:30] <fsphil> hopefully they know it's only a phase
[22:31] <bertrik> or disorderly conduct
[22:32] <domlin> watt started all this?
[22:32] <chrisstubbs> i was LED to belive it was a good idea
[22:32] <domlin> guys... wire we continuing with this
[22:32] <chrisstubbs> dont get choked up, we can rectify this
[22:32] <bertrik> because we have the capacity to do so
[22:33] <domlin> but you've got an un farad vantage
[22:33] <chrisstubbs> whos in charge here?
[22:33] <fsphil> quite a surge this
[22:33] <domlin> these jokes seem to be alternating
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> a guy called dai. he was elected
[22:34] <domlin> think we've lost the spark
[22:35] <fsphil> finally, terminated
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> well
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> next launch by arianespace is in April
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> Vega VV2
[22:36] <Lunar_Lander> and Ariane 5 will fly ATV-4 "Albert Einstein"
[22:37] Action: SpeedEvil wonders when Einstein will be properly regarded for his work as a patent clerk.
[22:38] <SpeedEvil> clearly the most important achiecvement of his life.
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[22:42] <domlin> alright guys, i'm off ohm now. these puns have hertz but watt can I say, current really argue!
[22:42] <domlin> bye.
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[22:43] <jonsowman> what a finale
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> http://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT
[22:43] <chrisstubbs> yeah its getting moduLATE
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> speedevil: brilliant
[22:44] <chrisstubbs> night all
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[22:45] <SpeedEvil> night
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[22:46] <lz1dev> Every of MVC web application can able be reduce to 150 line Perl script.
[22:46] <lz1dev> this is most likely true
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> <SpeedEvil> clearly the most important achiecvement of his life.
[22:49] <Laurenceb_> who let zombie steve jobs on here
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[22:50] <SpeedEvil> DevOps Borat (@DEVOPS_BORAT) tweeted at 1:23 AM on Fri, Feb 01, 2013:
[22:50] <SpeedEvil> haha
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[22:55] <lz1dev> so much truth is those tweets :(
[22:59] <lz1dev> SpeedEvil: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/
[23:01] <fsphil> haha
[23:02] <lz1dev> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbdnzkTGkq1qe0eclo1_r1_500.gif
[23:02] <lz1dev> Asking the security team for a firewall exception
[23:02] <lz1dev> almost choked
[23:03] <fsphil> creeeepy
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[23:18] <DoYouKnow> anyone here familiar with the Skywriter UFO?
[23:18] <DoYouKnow> and have considered reverse engineering it to make it fly higher?
[23:19] <DoYouKnow> eg. either add a brighter Infrared LED + Amp or make an entirely different controller altogether?
[23:20] <DoYouKnow> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_rM2pUWXK8
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[23:22] <fsphil> cute
[23:23] <Adam012> Good night all!
[23:23] <fsphil> if that thing got any higher you'd lose sight of it
[23:23] <fsphil> nite Adam012
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[23:28] <griffonbot> Received email: Ali al-Azzawi "[UKHAS] Scream App ready for blast-off!"
[23:30] Nick change: heathkid|2 -> heathkid
[23:38] <fsphil> ah, the project to see if a sound can travel through a metal support structure :)
[23:38] <mattbrejza> on the satellite that is ENTIRELY controlled by a smart phone
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[23:39] <mattbrejza> with NO standard satellite linux control board
[23:39] <fsphil> what's recording the phone?
[23:39] <mattbrejza> telescope (as there is nothing else other than the phone up there) ;)
[23:40] <fsphil> ah, I thought there was something to take a picture of the screen
[23:40] <mattbrejza> there is
[23:40] <jonsowman> there's another camera
[23:40] <mattbrejza> its just their claim of a android controlled satellite is a bit 'stretched'
[23:41] <jonsowman> see here for boring http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/26828/2/STRaND-1%20IAC%20Paper.pdf
[23:41] <jonsowman> please note the quite horrific spelling error in the title of the paper
[23:42] <Randomskk> "bit" stretched
[23:42] <Randomskk> god
[23:42] <Randomskk> I like what they said about our app's publicity lol
[23:42] <fsphil> haha
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[23:43] <fsphil> that's not a typo, just a new type of satellite
[23:43] <fsphil> sssh
[23:43] <jonsowman> :)
[23:45] <mattbrejza> 'WiFi downlink'
[23:45] <mattbrejza> hmm
[23:45] <Randomskk> oh GOD don't mention the wifi downlink
[23:46] <jonsowman> so much fail in one object
[23:46] <lz1dev> this gonna be gud
[23:47] <mattbrejza> i suppose with a big enough dish...
[23:47] <mattbrejza> but that would have to be a big dish
[23:48] <lz1dev> what about power
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[23:48] <Randomskk> no the problem is wifi frame timing and the speed of light
[23:48] <Randomskk> it cannot work
[23:48] <gonzo_> you can have wifi, but at 70cms and 50bd
[23:48] <mattbrejza> oh lol physics fail
[23:48] <Randomskk> wifi can't do 50 baud
[23:49] <Laurenceb_> omfg spelling fail
[23:49] <Laurenceb_> i used to work on the team that built that thing
[23:49] <Randomskk> lol
[23:49] <Laurenceb_> as you can see by the spelling i no longer work for them
[23:49] <Laurenceb_> or the quality might be slightly better
[23:49] <lz1dev> maybe that mean something else
[23:50] <lz1dev> quick spells like wifi but can downlink from space
[23:50] <gonzo_> there is a smart phone sat going up in a few weeks (from mem, unless it slipped)
[23:50] <Randomskk> gonzo_: that's what we're discussing
[23:50] <gonzo_> rr, was just about to ask that
[23:50] <gonzo_> waiting for someone to ask me, what it's mobile number is
[23:50] <lz1dev> tcp over ax.25
[23:50] <lz1dev> do it
[23:51] <jonsowman> haha
[23:51] <jonsowman> you're joking but
[23:51] <gonzo_> have done tcp and ssh over 9600bd ax25
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[23:51] <fsphil> I've done irc over packet :)
[23:51] <gonzo_> was a bit sluggish
[23:51] <fsphil> worked oddly well
[23:51] <gonzo_> yep irc works
[23:51] <lz1dev> gonzo_: how long did it take for every character?
[23:52] <jonsowman> the uplink is UDP over HDLC
[23:52] <gonzo_> it too time to go and mack a cuppa!
[23:52] <gonzo_> best thing was, doing it on 80mtrs
[23:52] <jonsowman> inter board comms on the sat is also UDP
[23:52] <jonsowman> over I²C no less
[23:52] <jonsowman> it's all totally stupid
[23:53] <Laurenceb_> haha wtf
[23:53] <gonzo_> did they just put ideas in a hat and pull them out
[23:53] <jonsowman> s/hat/arse/
[23:53] <gonzo_> an the battery will be..... 5/-
[23:53] <Randomskk> man, some of their plans
[23:53] <gonzo_> hehehe
[23:53] <Randomskk> they didn't realise they could talk to the phone over USB
[23:53] <Randomskk> so their plan for getting data off the phone was twofold
[23:53] <Randomskk> they were so proud actually
[23:53] <Randomskk> part 1
[23:53] <fsphil> optical coupling
[23:54] <fsphil> please say optical coupling
[23:54] <Randomskk> the SD card socket on the phone would be wired
[23:54] <Randomskk> to the linux flight computer
[23:54] <jonsowman> fsphil: ;)
[23:54] <Randomskk> which could power off the phone
[23:54] <lz1dev> This experiment is currently undergoing feasibility
[23:54] <lz1dev> analysis, looking at link budgets, Doppler effects, and
[23:54] <Randomskk> mount the SD card itself
[23:54] <lz1dev> any gain-increasing design changes
[23:54] <Randomskk> write files to it
[23:54] <Randomskk> unmount it
[23:54] <lz1dev> lol
[23:54] <gonzo_> cw by flashing the screen and a photodiode
[23:54] <Randomskk> then power the phone on again
[23:54] <fsphil> wow
[23:54] <Randomskk> the phone could write text files requesting telem data
[23:54] <jonsowman> gonzo_: try and come up with something _less_ sophisticated
[23:54] <fsphil> I didn't see that coming Randomskk
[23:54] <gonzo_> (yep, been there done that! CW flash that is)
[23:54] <Randomskk> and the next time it got power cycled, the flight computer would write them
[23:54] <Randomskk> they told us and the other app designers this
[23:54] <Randomskk> we boggled a bit
[23:54] <Randomskk> and they were like
[23:55] <Randomskk> "but don't worry, we also have a more real time way to get data off"
[23:55] <Randomskk> you guys, you guys are close but
[23:55] <Randomskk> the sensor readings are displayed on the screen
[23:55] <Randomskk> an onboard webcam takes a photo
[23:55] <Randomskk> and the linux flight computer OCRs them
[23:55] <jonsowman> you've not quite achieved Stupidity Level: SSTL
[23:55] <fsphil> holy crap
[23:55] <Randomskk> someone was like "hey guys, you know you can just SSH to the phone if you're plugged in over USB?"
[23:56] <Randomskk> they were like ".....what"
[23:56] <lz1dev> HAHA
[23:56] <Randomskk> it was one of many similar moments
[23:56] <gonzo_> just run the flight computer on windoze. Stupidity equation complete. We have normality
[23:56] <jonsowman> we all just sat there in shock for several minutes
[23:56] <Randomskk> UDP over I²C
[23:56] <Randomskk> we asked "what do you do about dropped packets?"
[23:56] <Randomskk> they said "where could they go? it's a sealed satellite, it's not like there are open wires to space"
[23:56] <SpeedEvil> haha
[23:56] <Randomskk> I..
[23:56] <Randomskk> I didn't know what to say
[23:56] <jonsowman> not even joking
[23:56] <lz1dev> cmon
[23:56] <Randomskk> straight faced
[23:57] <jonsowman> I can vouch for it
[23:57] <lz1dev> no way
[23:57] <Randomskk> they were serious
[23:57] <Randomskk> I...
[23:57] <Randomskk> what.
[23:57] <gonzo_> some odd partical events though
[23:57] <craag> wow
[23:57] <fsphil> who are these people again?
[23:57] <Randomskk> I think I've purged the worst bits from my memory
[23:57] <Randomskk> they are building galellio ;o
[23:57] <Randomskk> which may now be cancelled haha
[23:57] <jonsowman> Randomskk: yeah, where are those notes you made?
[23:57] <fsphil> lol yea seen that
[23:57] <fsphil> no moneys
[23:57] <Randomskk> I don't think I should make the notes public ;)
[23:57] <jonsowman> lol
[23:57] <jonsowman> prob not
[23:57] <Randomskk> but also they were only from the second meeting
[23:58] <mattbrejza> Randomskk: bring them on sat ;)
[23:58] <Randomskk> hah
[23:58] <gonzo_> been to their presentations, but there was no detail like that. It was early concept stuff
[23:58] <Randomskk> for STRAND-1?
[23:58] <Randomskk> via AMSAT or something?
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[23:59] Action: fsphil is still giggling at the SD card swap
[23:59] <lz1dev> the should include an AP up there
[23:59] <lz1dev> so the phone has wifi up there for internet
[23:59] <gonzo_> think it's a post grad project
[23:59] <Randomskk> you joke
[23:59] <jonsowman> lz1dev: hahah.....!
[23:59] <jonsowman> you know what's coming
[23:59] <Randomskk> hah hah haaaaaah
[23:59] <fsphil> please don't say they thought of that
[23:59] <mattbrejza> did you read that report...
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