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[00:29] <eroomde> yo
[00:29] <eroomde> through the rockies
[00:29] <eroomde> amazing sunset against the west face of the rockies
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[01:10] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, cool!
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[02:00] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[02:00] <SpeedEvil> I imagine the camera is getting a workout
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[02:45] <nigelvh> You're getting closer eroomde
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[05:51] <griffonbot> @headfullofair: Dan Bowen explains the history of small #superpressure #balloons at #UKHAS 2012 http://t.co/XcXHdPYD @LVL1WhiteStar [http://twitter.com/headfullofair/status/297220508175441920]
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[07:10] <KT5TK_QRL> Now we're talking...
[07:11] <KT5TK_QRL> Though I still have problems with the interpretation what it means: http://pastebin.com/Hb5KHfsD
[07:11] <KT5TK_QRL> As generated by this program: http://pastebin.com/iP8KqYjD
[07:12] <KT5TK_QRL> It means that somehow I get a meaningful chip self identification from the Si4464
[07:12] <KT5TK_QRL> => the SPI connection works.
[07:13] <KT5TK_QRL> However, after submitting the power up command, the reply is persistently the boot command itself
[07:14] <KT5TK_QRL> like a parrott it will return the same char string over and over
[07:14] <KT5TK_QRL> *parrot
[07:15] <KT5TK_QRL> At least we have communication
[07:17] <KT5TK_QRL> Note that the self identification string contains 0x4464 which is the intended identifier for the Si4464 chip.
[07:17] <KT5TK_QRL> baby steps, but eventually we'll get there...
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[07:22] <nigelvh> Evening KT5TK_QRL, glad there's progress being made.
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[07:40] <KT5TK> ha, still awake?
[07:40] <nigelvh> Yep
[07:41] <KT5TK> I just came home from work
[07:41] <nigelvh> Working on a eagle layout for a heatsink.
[07:41] <KT5TK> Did private stuff though
[07:41] <KT5TK> for your legal power iris?
[07:42] <nigelvh> Haha, not quite. I'm putting together a battery analyzer and the mosfet has to dump a good bit of power, so I need a solid heatsink for it.
[07:43] <KT5TK> I see.
[07:43] <KT5TK> OK, I'll change over to the horizontal polarisation I guess
[07:44] <KT5TK> See how far we'll get tommorow.
[07:44] <nigelvh> http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/?p=1012
[07:44] <nigelvh> This here. But making it an arduino shield.
[07:44] <nigelvh> And have yourself a good evening
[07:45] <KT5TK> Wow, even with self etched PCBs. OK, then gn!
[07:46] <nigelvh> Sleep well
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[08:35] <arko> Long day :/
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[08:56] <fsphil> but it's done now
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[09:50] <The-Compiler> Heyho! A friend and I are doing a Swiss HAB project, and we finished a block layout of the whole system now and would like comments on it: http://the-compiler.org/tmp/piccard-block.jpg
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[09:55] <UpuWork> They The-Compiler
[09:56] <UpuWork> I would use Energizer Lithiums
[09:56] <UpuWork> looks well thought out, you probably don't need the EEPROM on the GPS
[09:56] <The-Compiler> yep, we plan to use them (probably two)
[09:56] <UpuWork> and you probably don't need the 1281 Mega
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[09:56] <UpuWork> 328 should be fine
[09:57] <UpuWork> TPS61201 will do it too
[09:57] <UpuWork> but is a pig to solder
[09:57] <UpuWork> If this is your first I would apply "keep it simple" i.e NTX2 + GPS + µC
[09:57] <UpuWork> then slowly tag everything else on
[09:58] <costyn> nice diagram yes
[09:58] <jonsowman> all looks reasonably sensibler
[09:58] <jonsowman> -r
[09:58] <The-Compiler> just a second, might make more sense if I get the one who did the diagram to get in here as well :D
[09:58] <The-Compiler> but he's reading here already
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[09:59] <UpuWork> are you making your own PCB ?
[09:59] <The-Compiler> yep
[09:59] <freelancer> hi guys
[09:59] <UpuWork> cool
[09:59] <The-Compiler> there we go
[09:59] <jonsowman> hello
[09:59] <UpuWork> hi freelancer
[09:59] <freelancer> hi upu
[10:00] <freelancer> i hear youre talking about our hab design?
[10:00] <UpuWork> we are
[10:00] <UpuWork> looks well thought out
[10:00] <costyn> freelancer / The-Compiler : what's the x-bee for?
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[10:00] <freelancer> thank you, always a good idea to have some more eyes
[10:00] <freelancer> thanks
[10:00] <The-Compiler> freelancer: http://paste.the-compiler.org/view/9f377779
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[10:01] <freelancer> xbee is for direct communication with our basestation
[10:01] <freelancer> ist a backup conection
[10:01] <The-Compiler> costyn: so we have something to track as well, for the NTX2 we have to rely on other people since we don't have the equipment
[10:01] <freelancer> and maybe uplink
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[10:01] <costyn> what power does it send at?
[10:01] <jonsowman> is the 256MBit flash for datalogging?
[10:01] <The-Compiler> jonsowman: yep
[10:02] <UpuWork> xbee probabaly won't work at altitude, just get yourself a radio
[10:02] <jonsowman> why that rather than an SD card?
[10:02] <UpuWork> even an SDR
[10:02] <The-Compiler> we first thought about an SD card, but flash might be more reliable
[10:02] <jonsowman> I don't think anyone has had reliability issues with SD cards
[10:02] <jonsowman> it does mean you have to deal with a filesystem
[10:02] <mattbrejza> providing theyre glued in a bit
[10:03] <The-Compiler> that's what I told freelancer as well, but well, since we're doing our own board anyways it does not matter that much
[10:03] <jonsowman> yes, as long as they're physically secure
[10:03] <costyn> were you guys planning to use an xbee onthe ground as well?
[10:03] <The-Compiler> costyn: yep
[10:03] <The-Compiler> UpuWork: why you mean it doesn't work at altitude?
[10:03] <mattbrejza> not sure if anyone has actually tested xbee? at least there is ntx2 for backup
[10:03] <costyn> The-Compiler: you realize you're going to be at least 30km removed from your payload. does the xbee do that kind of range?
[10:03] <The-Compiler> I've seen one project with an XBee which worked somewhere, just don't remember how to find it
[10:04] <jonsowman> you'd need a decent amount of gain on the ground antenna for the xbere
[10:04] <The-Compiler> costyn: the manifacturer claims it does 80 km
[10:04] <jonsowman> i can't type today
[10:04] <freelancer> sorry, internet connection is really shitty here
[10:04] <mattbrejza> i would be careful with gps and 868 next to each other though
[10:04] <jonsowman> tell me about it
[10:04] <costyn> The-Compiler: interesting. you have a directional antenna for the ground xbee?
[10:04] <freelancer> xbee sends at about 500mW?
[10:04] <x-f> costyn, isn't NTX2 rated for 300 meters? :)
[10:04] <jonsowman> max 500mW, yes
[10:04] <costyn> x-f: well, ground level through buildings and so
[10:05] <mattbrejza> yea keep that 500mW away from your gps
[10:05] <freelancer> i decided not to use a SD card because of the connections and the filesystem
[10:05] <costyn> wow... that's a lot of power
[10:05] <jonsowman> freelancer: fair enough
[10:05] <costyn> freelancer: you don't have to use a filesystem :)
[10:05] <jonsowman> just wondering
[10:05] <freelancer> we plan to adjust the output of the xbee according to the RSSI level
[10:06] <jonsowman> freelancer: I think you'll need a yagi or something on the ground
[10:06] <costyn> freelancer: but if you guys don't have a radio yourselves, and you're launching in switzerland, there's not likely to be many stations that can listen to you within range
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[10:07] <freelancer> yagi might be useful
[10:07] <The-Compiler> costyn: yep. But if all goes right we have an university of applied science with a more of decent equipment listening for us
[10:07] <jonsowman> I think it might be necessary
[10:07] <costyn> The-Compiler: or just find some local amateur radio people on forums; they're usually interested in this type of thing and willing to help out
[10:07] <jonsowman> I mean you can work out the expected link budget
[10:07] <jonsowman> but intuitively, I don't think 1/4 waves on both ends is going to go well
[10:08] <freelancer> maybe we can use a SDR receiver (TV stick) for receiving the NTX
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[10:08] <jonsowman> certainly an option
[10:09] <costyn> freelancer: sure, that would work, there's a amp/filter available too especially for receiving 434: http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_63&product_id=73
[10:09] <daveake> Just got an XBee spec here. Says "Up to 25 miles (40 km) with dipole antenna"
[10:10] <daveake> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/zigbee-rf-modules/point-multipoint-rfmodules/xbee-pro-868#specs
[10:10] <freelancer> yea,i was thinking of getting the SDR and other stuff from upus store :)
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[10:10] <costyn> freelancer: cheapest way of receiving signal from the NTX
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[10:12] <freelancer> @daveake: right, with dipole its 40km
[10:12] <freelancer> should still be enough i think?
[10:12] <costyn> "should" :)
[10:12] <The-Compiler> anyways, worth a try
[10:12] <costyn> NTX is proven tech, xbee ... not so much :)
[10:12] <daveake> should be / won't be I suspect
[10:13] <costyn> I mean, proven tech in HAB
[10:13] <freelancer> thats why we have the NTX ;)
[10:13] <The-Compiler> and we're thinking about including a dedicated GSM+GPS tracker as well, as we're getting one for free most likely
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[10:13] <freelancer> you also have to try something new i think :)O
[10:13] <The-Compiler> so if radio doesn't work out we hopefully at least know when it's down
[10:13] <costyn> The-Compiler: yup
[10:13] <costyn> freelancer: true, well as you said you have the ntx for backup
[10:14] <jonsowman> http://www.rfsolutions.co.uk/acatalog/ANT-MFYAG23-1.pdf
[10:14] <jonsowman> this'll do
[10:14] <jonsowman> :P
[10:14] <freelancer> so, NTX is for actual tracking, xbee is more of an experiment for possible uplink
[10:14] <freelancer> exactly
[10:14] <gonzo_> try an open field, line of sight test of your xbee, and see how far you get
[10:14] <freelancer> i did, its not really much on the ground..
[10:15] <freelancer> but i was only using a bit of wire
[10:15] <gonzo_> how far did you get?
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[10:16] <freelancer> what do you think is the problem with the xbee? too high rf rate?
[10:16] <freelancer> about 1km?
[10:16] <freelancer> (power should not be the problem:P)
[10:18] <mattbrejza> can you reduce the symbol rate of the xbee i wonder
[10:18] <mattbrejza> that would help
[10:18] <freelancer> hmm, i think its fixed @ 24kbps
[10:18] <freelancer> ill have a look
[10:19] <mattbrejza> 24kpbs seems higher than i was expecting
[10:19] <mattbrejza> bearing in mind you tend to puit serial data in at 4.8k baud
[10:19] <freelancer> ah and of course its 10DC, so were going to use 9600 baud serial rate
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[10:21] <gonzo_> I'm supprised you got that far
[10:21] <gonzo_> I'd have to google it befopre commenting
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[10:24] <freelancer> well i live on the 8th floor, so it was a bit elevated ;)
[10:34] <freelancer> ok, some statements to questions asked above
[10:34] <freelancer> yes, 2 AA energizer lithium are planned
[10:35] <freelancer> we use the EEPROM on the GPS to store config settings (dont want to reload every boot)
[10:35] <UpuWork> come speak to me before you buy an NTX2
[10:35] <freelancer> we use the atmega1281 because it's got 2 hardware UARTS
[10:35] <freelancer> (for GPS and xbee)
[10:35] <UpuWork> ah ok
[10:36] <UpuWork> fair enough
[10:36] <mattbrejza> you can talk to the gps via spi, not that i think anyones tried it
[10:36] <UpuWork> I would get it working with just GPS and radio first
[10:36] <UpuWork> daveake has done it mattbrejza
[10:36] <mattbrejza> oh ok
[10:36] <mattbrejza> i was thinking of trying, but then cba :P
[10:36] <freelancer> and maybe the TPS61201 is too weak with 300ma max because the xbee draws 500ma on highest power (100% DC) and 800ma peak ;P
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[10:37] <UpuWork> fair rnough
[10:37] <UpuWork> enough
[10:37] <freelancer> upu: because of your store? im planning to get them from there
[10:37] <UpuWork> yep
[10:37] <mattbrejza> you might be able to connect hte xbee directly to the batteries depending on its requirements
[10:37] <freelancer> mattbrejza: MAX-6Q gps got no SPI i think
[10:38] <freelancer> only its bigger brothers
[10:38] <The-Compiler> we will do a plenthora of ground tests first anyways :)
[10:38] <UpuWork> see PM :)
[10:38] <mattbrejza> i thought the MAX did
[10:38] <UpuWork> err its got SDA SCL ?
[10:39] <mattbrejza> oh i2c rather
[10:39] <mattbrejza> lets actually read the ds
[10:39] <freelancer> ah i2c, yes, but i use that already for the config eeprom
[10:39] <UpuWork> I get confused between I2C and SPI
[10:39] <mattbrejza> i2c -> smells
[10:39] <mattbrejza> spi -> awesome
[10:40] <fsphil> i2c is not a great system
[10:40] <fsphil> or it could be the way it works on the AVR, it's a pain to use
[10:40] <jonsowman> i2c is so annoying.
[10:40] <jonsowman> yeah the AVR hardware is stupid
[10:40] <jonsowman> maybe it's better on PICs
[10:40] <jonsowman> (hahaha)
[10:40] <mattbrejza> yea but then youre using a pic
[10:40] <fsphil> hey it can't be any worse
[10:41] <mattbrejza> msp430 ftw
[10:41] <jonsowman> mattbrejza: is i²c any better on msps?
[10:41] <mattbrejza> havnt tried
[10:41] <jonsowman> hmm
[10:41] <jonsowman> maybe I will give it a go
[10:41] <mattbrejza> look at you and your unicode
[10:41] <fsphil> mattbrejza: does GCC have support for that, and is there an avrdude equivilent?
[10:41] <jonsowman> alt-gr + 2
[10:41] <mattbrejza> i think it might now actually
[10:41] <fsphil> equivalent
[10:42] <mattbrejza> i just used ti's eclipse based ide
[10:42] <mattbrejza> yea mspgcc exists
[10:42] <gonzo_> freelancer, you've prob answered this before, but what country are you in/launching from?
[10:42] <fsphil> arm has gcc support, but there's nothing like armdude
[10:42] <The-Compiler> Switzerland
[10:43] <mattbrejza> msp430 has jtag and spy-by-wire (ti's two wire programmer and debugger)
[10:43] <The-Compiler> I thought we were the first to do this, turns out we are like the 10th
[10:43] <mattbrejza> the debugging is really nice having used avr
[10:43] <freelancer> so, anymore inputs/questions to our design?
[10:44] <jonsowman> freelancer: are you using the arduino lib/bootloader?
[10:44] <freelancer> btw, what have you done to prevent locking of the bus or the micro? any countermeasures?
[10:44] <jonsowman> or raw AVR?
[10:44] <freelancer> no, C ^^
[10:44] <jonsowman> freelancer: use the watchdog timer!
[10:45] <freelancer> jonsowman: ill use the WD for sure
[10:45] <The-Compiler> we were doing uC stuff before Arduinos were cool :D
[10:45] <jonsowman> haha
[10:45] <freelancer> and i also have a pin of the AVR connected to the enable pin of the regulator, so it can cut the boards power if something locks up
[10:46] <jonsowman> and then have timeouts when you're waiting for data back from sensors etc
[10:46] <freelancer> if it restarts more than 5 times it goes to a minimum mode where only NTX and maybe GPS lives
[10:46] <jonsowman> if everything is interrupt driven then you're probably fine anyway
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[10:47] <costyn> freelancer: I don't undestand, where are you cutting power to? is the avr committing suicide by cutting it's own power? :)
[10:47] <UpuWork> lol
[10:47] <UpuWork> you can self reset them
[10:47] <jonsowman> freelancer: you can do things like examine MCUSR to see what the reset cause was
[10:47] <costyn> UpuWork: can you elaborate?
[10:47] <jonsowman> and if it was watchdog, do the essential things before trying the sensors again
[10:48] <UpuWork> just wire a GPIO to the reset but you need to disconnect it when programming
[10:48] <jonsowman> freelancer: perhaps more elaborately, on startup, if the reset cause was watchdog, increment a number in EEPROM. once that reaches, say, 5, give up on everything but essential telemetry
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[10:49] <jonsowman> heh, did you miss the above freelancer_ ?
[10:50] <freelancer_> yea, sorry. still connection problems
[10:50] <The-Compiler> jonsowman: I'm showing him on my laptop, no worries
[10:50] <freelancer_> i got until the part with the bus lock
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[10:50] <freelancer_> yes, the AVR cuts the power for the whole board
[10:50] <jonsowman> ok The-Compiler :)
[10:50] <freelancer_> its not just to reset the AVR but the whole board
[10:50] <The-Compiler> I'm using SSH to my server instead of a webchat :3
[10:51] <freelancer_> because if one sensor on the i2c bus locks up, everythin is dead, and all sensors are on the i2c bus
[10:51] <costyn> freelancer_: interesting, thanks
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[10:52] <The-Compiler> I was also thinking of sacrificing my old DSLR with a broken display
[10:52] <The-Compiler> would be fun, but heavy
[10:52] <jonsowman> freelancer_: if everything I²C related is interrupt driven, then you're probably OK
[10:52] <jonsowman> but see my suggestion above about something more sophisticated
[10:52] <The-Compiler> and his connection is dead again
[10:53] <jonsowman> haha
[10:53] <The-Compiler> we are in a school, can it be that hard to have a stable connection there?!
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[10:53] <jonsowman> :D
[10:53] <jonsowman> hello again :D
[10:53] <UpuWork> wb freelancer
[10:53] <jonsowman> freelancer: http://pastie.org/private/cvbgnksss7yfmeenrstxg
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[10:53] <gonzo_> freelancer, I've misswed the chat about the xbee. But I'm assuming that you will only be able to legally use the 2.4GHz modules? And they have a fixed rate of 250kb, which is 1000 times what we have used reliably here in the UK. It may be possible to use high gain antennas on the ground, but I'm not sure if xbee can be used in a simplex mode (ie, the ground not needing to tx back to ACK data). In that case you will not be able to use any receive prea
[10:53] <gonzo_> mps on the bround. And I'd be concerned that the bare xbee receiver would not be very sensitive. So fine as an experiment, but fly a separate proven tracker as a 2ndry payload.
[10:53] <UpuWork> if you've not found it my github account has a Eagle library with the GPS modules in
[10:54] <UpuWork> https://github.com/Upuaut/Eagle-Libraries
[10:55] <The-Compiler> gonzo_: nope, we can use 868 MHz
[10:55] <daveake> UpuWork / mattbrejza That was i2c not spi to the ublox
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[10:55] <gonzo_> OK, will revist the spec...
[10:55] <UpuWork> yeah I forgot again Dark3D
[10:55] <UpuWork> daveake
[10:55] <daveake> :/
[10:55] <freelancer> wb, its geting really enerving
[10:56] <freelancer> jonsowman: thanks for the paste
[10:56] <jonsowman> no problem :)
[10:56] <freelancer> i was thinking to cut the power to reset the whole board, not just the AVR
[10:56] <gonzo_> what is the max power you can use on 868meg>
[10:56] <freelancer> if f.e. a sensor locks up
[10:57] <jonsowman> freelancer: the problem is what happens if it's a hardware fault that power cycling won't fix?
[10:57] <jonsowman> for example, say one of SCL or SDA suddenly becomes tied to ground
[10:57] <freelancer> max power on 868Mhz is 500mw 10% DC
[10:57] <freelancer> jonsowman: then we have no sensor data for the flight :S
[10:58] <jonsowman> correct, but you still want telemetry
[10:58] <freelancer> we are going to use a limit, after 5 restarts it goes to emergency mode
[10:58] <jonsowman> yep
[10:58] <freelancer> only NTX and GPS
[10:58] <jonsowman> that's what I mean
[10:58] <The-Compiler> hmmm
[10:58] <freelancer> if that fails too, the design was just fucked up :P
[10:58] <jonsowman> there is only so much you can do
[10:58] <The-Compiler> we could know after the resets which sensor still does not work and just skip that one then?
[10:59] <jonsowman> The-Compiler: it depends on the nature of the fault
[10:59] <jonsowman> if the failure means one of the bus lines is tied low/high, then the entire bus is unusable
[10:59] <freelancer> i explained it to him directly :)
[10:59] <freelancer> exactly
[11:00] <freelancer> so what do you think about the power cutting idea?
[11:00] <jonsowman> personally I would use the watchdog as the primary recovery measure
[11:00] <freelancer> ack
[11:00] <mattbrejza> tbh if you think i2c might be an issue you could enable/disable just htat bit at will rather than the whole lot
[11:00] <jonsowman> power cycling as a last resort
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[11:01] <mattbrejza> just a p-chan FET
[11:01] <jonsowman> another good option ^
[11:02] <jonsowman> the choice is of course yours freelancer, the fact you are even thinking about this puts you ahead of most HAB payloads
[11:02] <freelancer> mattbrejza: some i2c devices dont have a reset line :(
[11:02] <mattbrejza> i mean put the i2c vcc thru a p-channel fet controlled by the avr
[11:02] <mattbrejza> so you can turn them off without upsetting everything else
[11:02] <freelancer> ah
[11:03] <freelancer> that is an option if im not too lazy to use like 5 mosfets :P
[11:03] <mattbrejza> only need one
[11:03] <mattbrejza> (for the whole lot)
[11:03] <freelancer> ah to the whole i2c sensor network
[11:03] <The-Compiler> I wonder how big the odds are of that happening anyways
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[11:03] <freelancer> hmm, good idea
[11:03] <mattbrejza> yea you might be overthinking it a bit
[11:04] <jonsowman> The-Compiler: sod's law - if you guard against it, it won't happen
[11:04] <freelancer> depends on the coding maybe, compiler
[11:04] <gonzo_> ok, cranked the figures for xbee, compared to slow UHF rtty.... The xbee is about 20dB worst due to the 24kb rate. But 13dB better on power. That leaves 6dB to make up which is easilly doable with higher gain antennas. Quite suprising really! BUT... I'm assuming a receivers as sensitive as we use on UHF. I doubt that is the case for wireless modules.
[11:04] <mattbrejza> but being able to power cycle stuff for power reasons might not be a bad idea, but then doesnt tend to use much at all when idle
[11:04] <The-Compiler> anyways, time for the lunch break :)
[11:04] <fsphil> yea almost certainly not
[11:04] <The-Compiler> thanks for all your suggestions, and I'm sure we'll come back when more questions arise
[11:04] <mattbrejza> gonzo_: 6dB worse due to 868 too?
[11:04] <The-Compiler> I'm logging here though, so feel free to continue with your suggestions
[11:05] <gonzo_> Nope, I don't like the whole path loss idea. If you use the same size (capture area) antennas, then freq should not matter
[11:06] <freelancer> thank you all for looking over my design!
[11:07] <jonsowman> :)
[11:07] <mattbrejza> yea but for the same antenna theres a 6dB difference, but if youre looking in terms of capture area then i suppose you can ignore
[11:07] <freelancer> have to leave, see yoiu guys
[11:07] <jonsowman> good luck freelancer
[11:07] <mattbrejza> bye
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[11:09] <gonzo_> mattbrejza, yep I prefer capture area. If the ant gets smaller with freq, then put more elements on
[11:09] <gonzo_> most of my playings I'm using dishes, so catopure area is pretty much fixed
[11:10] <mattbrejza> ah that makes more sense for your application
[11:10] <mattbrejza> brb
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[11:13] <fsphil> does that apply to the transmitting antenna?
[11:13] <fsphil> if you're limited to a 1/4 vertical for example
[11:13] <cuddykid> cheap digital scale - only accurate to 10gs though - might still be useful for normal payloads rather than picos: http://www.play.com/Gadgets/Gadgets/4-/40141786/736779555/Slamtech-Portable-Electronic-Digital-Luggage-Scale-Weigh-Up-to-40kgs/ListingDetails.html?source=9593&_$ja=tsid:11853|prd:47868&awc=1418_1359717159_5c53f23955369a5c4976534593dea876
[11:21] <gonzo_> phil, I'd say that the TX ant is coupling a certain amouint of RF power into space. And the power will not change. So a bigger ant will not couple more power
[11:22] <gonzo_> this is where the reciprocal idea of antennas does not hold
[11:22] <SpeedEvil> a bigger antenna may couple more power if the smaller one arcs over
[11:23] <gonzo_> if you made an antenna bigger at the same freq, then you would get gain and that power would be focused more in one direction. Andin that case signal strength would increase.
[11:24] <gonzo_> it would be nice to be able to run THAT level of power in a HAB !
[11:24] <gonzo_> not sure what the CAA would say about us flying RTGs
[11:29] <fsphil> "What's an RTG?"
[11:30] <UpuWork> power supply for the new US based picos
[11:30] <UpuWork> http://www.bellona.org/imagearchive/72029f025e5aa2e80c543023d7f1590b
[11:30] <UpuWork> only joking USA
[11:31] <SpeedEvil> it would make a change for the appropriate venue for a balloon crashing to be not the local magistrate, but the international criminal court in the Hague.
[11:31] <UpuWork> USA pico landing : http://i.imgur.com/36s5f.gif
[11:35] <daveake> This UK pico is small, that USA pico is faaar awaay ... http://thumbsnap.com/i/EQhJ5p7Q.gif
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[11:39] <fsphil> that would be an ecumenical matter
[11:40] <jonsowman> yes, yes I suppose it would
[11:41] <gonzo_> So instead of anu5, shoudl we launch ar5e ?
[11:42] <fsphil> only as a backup
[11:42] <daveake> Powered by piles
[11:44] <costyn> lol
[11:45] <fsphil> we need to plug this topic quick
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[11:46] <costyn> gonzo_: I think you should skip to anu6 if you don't want it to become the butt of many jokes
[11:47] <gonzo_> that does ring true
[11:47] <gonzo_> i'll turn the other cheek though
[11:48] <jonsowman> facepalm.jpg
[11:49] <costyn> UpuWork: haha @ that pico landing
[11:53] <UpuWork> lol
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[11:53] <UpuWork> bum jokes hehe
[11:54] <UpuWork> I ordered those SMA's costyn
[11:54] Action: fsphil passes
[11:54] <costyn> UpuWork: ok nice. they'll be a few weeks right?
[11:55] <UpuWork> yeah most likely
[11:55] <fsphil> do you have any of the long sma sockets for the rtl-sdr's UpuWork?
[11:55] <UpuWork> I do
[11:56] <fsphil> will grab a few later
[11:57] <fsphil> the long one still isn't long enough to exit the case?
[11:58] <UpuWork> no they can exit the case
[11:58] <fsphil> grand
[11:59] <UpuWork> right back soon
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[12:03] <craag> Quick fire question, does nIRQ need to be kept connected to Vcc on the RFM22?
[12:03] <Darkside> thats an output
[12:03] <Darkside> i think
[12:03] <craag> Ah... I won't then.
[12:03] <Darkside> you use it as an interrupt on the AVR
[12:03] <fsphil> yep
[12:03] <Darkside> so it connects to a hardware interrupt pin, so when there's data, it can interupt the avr
[12:04] <craag> Ok, but if I'm just using TX then I won't need it. Thanks.
[12:04] <fsphil> I'd recommend wiring it up
[12:04] <Darkside> it's nice to have the capability
[12:04] <craag> Ok cheers.
[12:04] <fsphil> having used the rfm22b on the Pi without the interrupt line, it's a pain
[12:04] <fsphil> it misbehaves
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[12:07] <daveake> All by myself
[12:07] <daveake> No one to walk with
[12:07] <daveake> But I'm happy on the shelf
[12:07] <daveake> Ain't misbehavin'
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[14:12] <eroomde> amazing sunset against the west face of the rockiesgd/lastlog eroomde 2
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[14:13] <eroomde> like a boss
[14:13] <eroomde> about to get sunrise on the navada desert
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[14:16] <fsphil> how's connectivity in the desert?
[14:16] <fsphil> I'm surprised you're online at all
[14:19] <eroomde> losing it
[14:21] <staylo> We noticed that a few months ago but didn't want to say anything :)
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[14:24] <costyn> staylo: badum-tish
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[14:26] <griffonbot> @LVL1WhiteStar: RT @headfullofair: Dan Bowen explains the history of small #superpressure #balloons at #UKHAS 2012 http://t.co/XcXHdPYD @LVL1WhiteStar [http://twitter.com/LVL1WhiteStar/status/297350300283568128]
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[14:37] <griffonbot> @ccprek: RT @headfullofair: Dan Bowen explains the history of small #superpressure #balloons at #UKHAS 2012 http://t.co/XcXHdPYD @LVL1WhiteStar [http://twitter.com/ccprek/status/297352927964721153]
[14:40] <griffonbot> @LVL1HackerSpace: RT @headfullofair: Dan Bowen explains the history of small #superpressure #balloons at #UKHAS 2012 http://t.co/XcXHdPYD @LVL1WhiteStar [http://twitter.com/LVL1HackerSpace/status/297353786605858816]
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[14:47] <Hibby> quick, let's all retweet it quickly and get griffonbot banned for chanspamming
[14:48] <costyn> the video looks like it was recorded from the livestream?
[14:57] <fsphil> it kinda was
[14:58] <fsphil> actually recorded locally of the live stream
[14:58] <fsphil> I wasn't able to find a spot for my camera this time
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[15:11] <mattbrejza> see you should have been there in person :P
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[15:20] <fsphil> he might have been, but just couldn't figure out how to get into the building
[15:20] <mattbrejza> lolz
[15:21] <mattbrejza> we walked past the correct entrance quite a few time stoo
[15:22] <costyn> :)
[15:23] <fsphil> now that we have lz1dev's mobile tracker, we can use that to get to the next one
[15:33] <daveake> That's going to struggle on the tube
[15:33] <mattbrejza> tubes fine
[15:33] <mattbrejza> is when you exit the station and its not the exit you were expecting
[15:34] <mattbrejza> i found it fine mind you unlike the rest of the 'south london crew'
[15:34] <daveake> :)
[15:34] <mattbrejza> also if you had the track rather than just hte current location you could find the entrance
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[16:42] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[16:43] <fsphil> ello ello llo lo .. o .....
[16:52] <number10> allo allo
[16:53] <fsphil> wot ave we got ere
[16:54] <lz1dev> ill be damned
[17:02] <Lunar_Lander> IKEA is cool
[17:04] <fsphil> random
[17:07] <number10> yes it cold in sweden
[17:09] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[17:11] <daveake> Except for their meatballs
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[17:15] <Lunar_Lander> daveake, yea
[17:24] <arko> morning
[17:25] <fsphil> evening arko
[17:25] <arko> how goes it?
[17:26] <Lunar_Lander> still thinking about the transatlantic train
[17:27] <fsphil> all funky here arko, how's things way over yonder
[17:27] <fsphil> there should be a guy with a kiwi accent not far from you now
[17:27] <arko> yonder here is fine, finished up midterms, work has a pile of stuff for me to do
[17:28] <arko> hehe
[17:28] <arko> yeah eroomde should be in cal soon if not already
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[17:28] <arko> i was half consider just driving up to sf for the weekend
[17:28] <arko> but im on call for the back to the future stuff :/
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> arko, does someone at Caltech do train research?
[17:28] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[17:29] <arko> i really doubt it?
[17:29] <arko> i dunno
[17:29] <mattbrejza> this might need updating... http://www.ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-server
[17:29] <mattbrejza> (thats not an offer)
[17:29] <mattbrejza> or at least removing from the front page
[17:29] <Lunar_Lander> a transatlantic train needs to be pasted with logos like of JPL and NASA and so on
[17:30] <fsphil> or you could get a boat?
[17:30] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[17:45] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody still know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_Skies_%28video_game%29
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[17:50] <staylo> Lunar_Lander: I remember. Fun game :)
[17:53] <Lunar_Lander> :) cool
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[18:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.spiegel.de/static/360grad/kamtschatka/
[18:06] <SpeedEvil> how to do panoramas properly
[18:21] <KT5TK> Wow, we should launch a hydrogen balloon there
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSJws63wxAs&feature=youtube_gdata_player med school? bah
[18:25] <arko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XkTIYhQC8
[18:25] <arko> this is my favorite review :P
[18:29] <arko> swedish people speaking english is always lulz
[18:33] <arko> it turns out you can simply QWOP into med school
[18:40] <nigelvh> HAHA
[18:40] <nigelvh> that's pretty funny
[18:42] <nigelvh> "No wait wait, this is surgery, this isn't chefing"
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[18:46] <arko> haha
[18:47] <arko> "shhh bob shhhh"
[18:47] <arko> http://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/
[18:47] <arko> wow thats crazy
[18:47] <arko> i would love to see military kick ban each other on irc
[18:49] <fsphil> sudo make peace
[18:51] <nigelvh> Because we all know sudo means "fucking do it because I told you to"
[18:51] <arko> "/kick #OIF SGT_SMITH lul u suk bra lrn skilz 1337"
[18:52] <fsphil> good old diplomacy
[18:53] <fsphil> /me sets mode +DEFCON1
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[18:54] <nigelvh> /me sets mode SUPERTOTALULTRASECRET (Super seriously guys, don't tell! ;P)
[18:55] <fsphil> duh, that was suppose to be in #supersecretmilitaryopschannel
[18:56] Nick change: nigelvh -> pvtmanning
[18:56] <pvtmanning> You're totally right, I'll head there right now
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[18:57] Action: fsphil wonders how long before nigelvh's connection times out
[18:57] <arko> hahaha
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[18:58] <nigelvh> You know you're totally right i shou,,, <CARRIER LOST>
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[19:09] <craag> I have a ublox with 15 blue satellites in ucenter, but no fix for about 10 minutes now. Have reset power multiple times, any ideas?
[19:10] <Upu> signal not strong enough
[19:10] <Upu> inside ?
[19:11] <craag> It's by the window and all signal are ~30dB in ucenter.
[19:11] <Upu> something not right, restarted ucenter ?
[19:11] <Upu> has it worked before ?
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[19:12] <craag> It worked last night :(
[19:12] <craag> Heading outside to give it a go
[19:12] <Upu> ok
[19:13] <mfa298> Is it worth trying outside, I'm wondering it's getting some sats via reflections from another building
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[19:19] <craag> crisis averted, 3d fix in less time than it took to select the com port
[19:19] <craag> darn you metallic anti-glare coating
[19:19] <fsphil> easily done
[19:21] <craag> It had 10 satellites, at about 3dB less than it needed to get a lock.
[19:21] <Upu> :)
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[19:27] <mattbrejza> craag: not in zepler are you?
[19:28] <craag> yes...
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[19:28] <mattbrejza> yea gps sucks in there
[19:28] <mattbrejza> could never get a lock
[19:29] <craag> The metal bits above the windows I'm sure don't help. But we're going to try dangling it out.
[19:29] <mfa298> I'm wondering if you're also getting some multipath interference from mountbatten (assuming your on that side)
[19:30] <craag> mfa298: Most likely, although it works ok in the courtyard.
[19:30] <mattbrejza> i couldnt get signal round the other side either
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[20:39] <anerDev> hi guys !
[20:42] <anerDev> question: the input (antenna) is on the left ? This is the filter of Ukhas store: http://d.pr/i/6VUj
[20:43] <fsphil> yea
[20:43] <anerDev> perfect ! thank you
[20:43] <fsphil> what's the other PCB for?
[20:44] <daveake> yes
[20:44] <daveake> too late I see :)
[20:46] <fsphil> I forgot so often that I've etched it into my memory
[20:46] <fsphil> of course if there was a bit of text on the board....
[20:46] <fsphil> *cough*Darkside*cough*
[20:47] <daveake> Indeed :)
[20:48] <KT5TK_QRL> Usually there shouldn't be any space left for text on the PCB
[20:49] <KT5TK_QRL> But with the HABAMPs there is plenty
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[20:52] <anerDev> who can write my username ? please ! I'm testing another fuction on my irc client ! Thank you =D
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[20:53] <nigelvh> Ok, anerDev
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[20:53] <fsphil> wb anerDev
[20:53] <anerDev> another please !
[20:54] <fsphil> anerDev: anerDev anerDev
[20:54] <nigelvh> anerDev is being silly
[20:54] <anerDev> thank you bros ! =D
[20:54] <nigelvh> "Don't ping me bro!"
[20:54] <anerDev> agahuahua
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[21:09] <daveake> anerDev rm -rf *
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[21:10] <MrCraig_mobile> evening all
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[21:14] <fsphil> howdy MrCraig_mobile
[21:15] <MrCraig_mobile> been back here in England for two weeks now, I appreciate you using 'howdy' fsphil
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[21:16] <MrCraig_mobile> on a train to coventry to buy some gas among other things
[21:16] <MrCraig_mobile> I hope I won't lag out like that much.
[21:16] <fsphil> ah, then welcome back
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[21:17] <MrCraig_mobile> thanks :-) I got back in time for snow and high winds. I am predicting a payload loss on this flight
[21:18] <MrCraig_mobile> but it's the attempt that counts, and it's a 2 year old payload so hardly a loss there.
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[21:22] <MrCraig_mobile> Connection is too instable while moving at 90mph, I'll spare you the chat spam and drop back later. Take care all...
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[21:30] <eroomde> yoyo
[21:30] <eroomde> Sacramento coming up on the horizon
[21:30] <Randomskk> hi eroomde
[21:31] <Randomskk> nice
[21:31] <Randomskk> jealous :(
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[21:31] <Randomskk> otoh I just cooked up the tastiest lamb I've ever done and alongside some very nice cabernet sauvignon I am very happy
[21:31] <eroomde> going through the mountains and forests just north of lake tahoe was pretty sweet. didn;t realise it would be so pretty
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[21:32] <Randomskk> america can be surprising like that huh
[21:32] <eroomde> sounds like a good friday evening Randomskk
[21:32] <Randomskk> is the train very busy?
[21:32] <eroomde> not too busy
[21:32] <nigelvh> It's friday afternoon here
[21:32] <eroomde> abould half the sleepers occupied currently, i'd say
[21:32] <eroomde> maybe more like 60-70% infact
[21:32] <Randomskk> eroomde: it was excellent. had garlic mashed potato and baby carrots in a butter and sugar reduction too. soo great.
[21:33] <Randomskk> hm. I guess that's not bad
[21:33] <Randomskk> always seemed a shame that america didn't have more trains, or use the, anyway. but I guess that's not entirely true after all.
[21:33] <eroomde> and you can get a seat in the observation deck
[21:33] <eroomde> the DEA came and sat next to me and the guy sitting across from me
[21:33] <Randomskk> hah
[21:33] <Randomskk> anything exciting happen?
[21:34] <eroomde> the giuy sitting across from me had half a dreadlock, a pitball, and a bloodshot eye
[21:34] <nigelvh> As an american I can say I've never TRAVELed anywhere on a train. I've been on a train as a dinner thing, but no traveling.
[21:34] <eroomde> the DEA selected him at random to have a look in his bags
[21:34] <Randomskk> at random indeed
[21:34] <Randomskk> nigelvh: you should :( trains are fantastic!
[21:35] <eroomde> thouhgt i was with him initially and was being quite accusatory
[21:35] <eroomde> then he heard my accent
[21:35] <nigelvh> Oh, I enjoy trains quite well, but I've never found them to go where I want to go, or go there in a reasonable timeframe.
[21:35] <Randomskk> hah
[21:35] <Randomskk> nigelvh: yes, that appears to be the problem with american trains :(
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[21:35] <eroomde> yes you have to not be in much of a hurry for this one
[21:36] <eroomde> but it's been great
[21:36] <eroomde> loved it
[21:36] <eroomde> just amazing seeing such spectacular scenery and getting a sense of scale of the country
[21:36] <nigelvh> It's a big place.
[21:37] <eroomde> that it is donkey, that it is
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[21:37] <eroomde> this chap's pitbull was a service dog
[21:38] <eroomde> had a little service dog tag
[21:38] <eroomde> closer inspection of the tag showed quite an amount of pixelation, a typo, and general hallmarks of microsoft office and diy lamination
[21:38] <nigelvh> Haha
[21:38] <Randomskk> hah
[21:39] <nigelvh> Yeah, Great Britain is only a bit larger than my home state, and there's 50 states
[21:39] <nigelvh> (Washington state 71,000 sq/mi, Great Britain 88,000 sq/mi)
[21:42] <arko> eroomde: welcome to the motherland!
[21:42] <eroomde> thanks arko!
[21:42] <eroomde> i have hsdpa+++ or whatever
[21:42] <arko> huzah!
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[21:43] <eroomde> i shall have a sdtab at putting a couple of photos of flickr
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[21:43] <nigelvh> Yeah, fake 4G
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[21:43] <nigelvh> AT&T likes to label it 4G, then call true 4G "LTE"
[21:44] <eroomde> i'm hoping my expensive t-mobile sim with unlimited data actually is
[21:44] <arko> lol
[21:44] <arko> they throttle after 5Gb
[21:44] <eroomde> i have heard in america that 'iunlimited data' is sometimes defined as about 3 youtube videos worth
[21:44] <arko> yep
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[21:45] <nigelvh> Unless you pay extra. For example my home internet is "Business Class" because it's not limited and they allow me to have a static IP. Bastards.
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[21:45] <Upu> hey mattbrejza good spot, I'd just remove the page entirely tbh
[21:45] <Upu> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:dl-server
[21:45] <arko> nigelvh: dude thats expensive stuff
[21:46] <nigelvh> I have Comcast Business with 16mbit down and a static IP for about $70/mo
[21:46] <arko> oh
[21:46] <arko> thats cheap
[21:46] <arko> heh
[21:46] <eroomde> www.flickr.com/eroomde
[21:46] <eroomde> put a couple up
[21:46] <eroomde> have many
[21:46] <nigelvh> If I want faster then it gets much more expensive.
[21:47] <eroomde> will sort through once on a proper connection
[21:47] <Upu> we are finally getting decent internet in the UK
[21:47] <arko> the office im renting has 50/15 for like $100
[21:47] <arko> 2 static ips
[21:47] <nigelvh> I wish I could get that
[21:47] <Upu> I pay about $50 for 50/16 + 8 IP + IPV6
[21:47] <arko> wow
[21:47] <arko> eroomde nice
[21:47] <nigelvh> Why must america be so good and so bad at internet!
[21:47] <arko> nevada reminds me of my lost HAB
[21:47] <arko> :( RIP HABEX1
[21:48] <arko> nigelvh: it's sad
[21:48] <Upu> and in March we should be able to up that to 330/30 abliet at £1500 install
[21:48] <arko> wow those rockies
[21:48] <nigelvh> I'm waiting for google fiber to get to me. I want gigabit for cheap!
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[21:48] <Upu> nice pictures eroomde
[21:49] <Upu> Navada ? Nevada ?
[21:49] <arko> nigelvh: all the internet companies around google fiber are dropping prices and increasing bw
[21:49] <arko> nevada
[21:49] <nigelvh> Good for them. Now get to Seattle damn it!
[21:49] <eroomde> typo fixed
[21:49] <arko> eroomde can be excused since he's from that funny island somewhere east
[21:49] <Upu> indeed
[21:50] <Upu> so have you made it to arko's yet eroomde ?
[21:50] <arko> it's weird to see eroomde here at this hour too, he's usually like "k night guys"
[21:50] <anerDev> good night guys
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[21:50] <arko> lol
[21:50] <arko> like that
[21:51] <griffonbot> Received email: Wouter Weggelaar [PA3WEG] "[UKHAS] Re: DL-Fldigi + Hamlib + Funcube"
[21:51] <arko> Upu: eroomde arrives in LA in a week
[21:51] <Upu> cool
[21:51] <arko> unless he heads down earlier
[21:51] <arko> sf is a cool place to see though
[21:51] <nigelvh> Or heads north
[21:52] <nigelvh> North is way better
[21:52] <arko> SHHH
[21:52] <nigelvh> *hint hint*
[21:52] <eroomde> this was sunset yesterday
[21:52] <eroomde> http://www.flickr.com/photos/eroomde/8436687370/in/photostream
[21:52] <arko> don't listen to nigelvh, we have JPL
[21:52] <Upu> thats lovely
[21:52] <arko> wow holy cow
[21:52] <arko> was that utah?
[21:52] <eroomde> arko: probably not earlier - so much to do!
[21:52] <nigelvh> We've got aerojet and boeing and whonot else.
[21:52] <arko> :)
[21:52] <eroomde> was thinking of renting a car thur morn and driving back to sf over 2 days
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[21:52] <arko> we have spacex and boeing
[21:52] <Upu> I think I'd like to go to Montana
[21:52] <eroomde> via monterey, big sur etc
[21:52] <arko> nice
[21:52] <Upu> looks rugged
[21:53] <eroomde> sounds doable?
[21:53] <arko> it's amazing out here
[21:53] <arko> uhhh
[21:53] <arko> maybe?
[21:53] <arko> not sure
[21:53] <arko> never done it
[21:53] <eroomde> will work it out properly next week
[21:53] <eroomde> i want the car to be a mustang
[21:53] <eroomde> because.
[21:53] <arko> lol
[21:53] <Upu> don't get your hopes up
[21:54] <arko> well
[21:54] <arko> you can do LA to SF in about 5-6 hours
[21:54] <Upu> I drove one in Florida and it was disappoint
[21:54] <arko> i was actually considering driving to sf this weekend
[21:54] <eroomde> maybe a ford GT then
[21:54] <arko> damn i want your camera
[21:54] <eroomde> arko: perfect
[21:54] <eroomde> so i can spread it over 2 days and stop off a lot
[21:54] <Upu> never could work out how they get so little power from such a big engine
[21:54] <eroomde> i would want to do the coastal road
[21:55] <arko> oh yeah
[21:55] <eroomde> rather than the direct one further inland
[21:55] <arko> take highway 1
[21:55] <arko> yep
[21:55] <arko> it's amazing
[21:55] <arko> OH!
[21:55] <arko> SHIT
[21:55] <arko> dude
[21:55] <arko> due
[21:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[21:55] <arko> dude*
[21:55] <eroomde> yes?
[21:55] <number10> SF to LA is best on route 1
[21:55] <nigelvh> The mustang these days is rather heavy, so they put a big engine in but doesn't do a ton of good.
[21:55] <arko> you need to get clam chowder in San Luis Obisbo
[21:55] <arko> if you are a fan of that meal
[21:55] <arko> the best ever
[21:55] <eroomde> ok noted
[21:55] <eroomde> where is this place?
[21:55] <eroomde> Randomskk: http://i.imgur.com/k3Lspkz.jpg
[21:56] <eroomde> this ticked my friend a great deal ^
[21:56] <eroomde> tickled
[21:56] <Upu> I know its not comparable but I did the A77 coast road in Ayrshire Scotland 2 years ago and it was amazing
[21:56] <Upu> waves crashing over the road
[21:56] <eroomde> some of the scottish coastal roads are completely stunning
[21:56] <Upu> lol
[21:56] <Upu> http://goo.gl/maps/vuNWI
[21:57] <Upu> was much fun
[21:57] <arko> eroomde: http://www.splashcafe.com/
[21:58] <Randomskk> eroomde: hehe. my school used to have hp printers. being able to set any message you want was great
[21:58] <Randomskk> "WHITE TONER LOW"
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[21:58] <Randomskk> "LASER CONTAINMENT FAILURE"
[21:58] <arko> hahaha
[21:58] <nigelvh> Self Destruct In 3...2...1...
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[21:59] <griffonbot> Received email: Anthony Stirk "Re: [UKHAS] Re: DL-Fldigi + Hamlib + Funcube"
[21:59] <arko> i like the mustang idea
[21:59] <arko> remind me to rent a lotus in the UK :P
[21:59] <eroomde> or some sort of muscle car
[22:00] <eroomde> or something
[22:00] <eroomde> haha
[22:00] <eroomde> you'll be lucky being able to afford that if you're under 25
[22:00] <arko> remember your jeans and bubble gum
[22:00] <arko> cowboy hat
[22:00] <eroomde> insurers will fall of their chair laughing
[22:00] <arko> NRA t-shirt
[22:00] <arko> yep
[22:01] <eroomde> i asked about a lotus 7 style kit car i wanted to build when i was 21
[22:01] <eroomde> annual insurance would be more than the car
[22:01] <arko> wow
[22:01] <arko> thats crazy
[22:01] <arko> ive heard the insurance in the uk is terrible
[22:01] <eroomde> well, they're 3L cosworth engines in like a 200kg chassis
[22:02] <eroomde> it's painful if you're a guy and under 25
[22:02] <eroomde> super painful under 21
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[22:02] <arko> yikes, so i hear
[22:03] <Upu> daveake's got a Lotus
[22:03] <Upu> he'll take you out in it
[22:03] <Upu> and scare the poop out of you
[22:03] <arko> nice
[22:04] <arko> one of my friends had 2 and sold the other i think
[22:04] <eroomde> ukhas is like the masons
[22:04] <eroomde> whereever you go you find the locasl member and get the perks
[22:04] <Upu> lol
[22:04] <arko> he hacks the lotus ecu's
[22:04] <arko> haha
[22:04] <arko> any ukhas in sf?
[22:04] <Upu> you
[22:05] <arko> im in la
[22:05] <arko> or do we need to open a chapter in sf?
[22:05] Action: Upu gets out a map
[22:05] <arko> haha
[22:05] <Upu> oh yeah
[22:05] <arko> it's like 360miles the other way
[22:05] <Upu> its all California
[22:05] <arko> worth
[22:05] <arko> north*
[22:05] <nigelvh> Keep coming north
[22:05] <fsphil> people who live in the UK don't tend to have a good sence of geographical scale
[22:05] <arko> lol
[22:05] <Upu> Where are you nigelvh ?
[22:06] <fsphil> sense*
[22:06] <nigelvh> Seattle
[22:06] <arko> nigelvh: going to ukhas conference this year?
[22:06] <nigelvh> No. Though if I had the time/money I would certainly like to
[22:06] <arko> aww
[22:06] <nigelvh> We need to make a UKHAS West here in Washington
[22:07] <arko> haha
[22:07] <arko> USHAS
[22:07] <Upu> I hereby pledge to sort the god damn streaming out this year
[22:07] <fsphil> the increasingly inaccuratly titled UKHAS
[22:07] <arko> we're so cool now
[22:07] <arko> fsphil has already pledged to increase volume :P
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[22:07] <fsphil> I did what now
[22:08] <arko> the youtube videos volume
[22:08] <fsphil> ah yes
[22:08] <fsphil> I did bring a good camera and mic to the last one
[22:08] <arko> :)
[22:08] <fsphil> but the mic broke, and there was nowhere to set the camera
[22:08] <fsphil> so this time I'm bringing a tripod
[22:08] <arko> nice
[22:08] <fsphil> and a better mic
[22:08] <arko> im looking forward to it
[22:08] <arko> excited to visit the uk
[22:09] <Upu> let me know when you are likely to come over
[22:09] <arko> will do
[22:09] <Upu> and I'll arrange it round that arko
[22:09] <arko> sweet
[22:09] <Upu> we did it for Dan last year
[22:09] <arko> likely september
[22:09] <KT5TK_QRL> Is there a date for the 2013 UKHAS conference yet?
[22:09] <eroomde> poor darkside
[22:09] <arko> what happen to darkside?
[22:09] <eroomde> he's been replaced
[22:09] <fsphil> not yet KT5TK_QRL, although looking likely september atm :)
[22:10] <Upu> nope KT5TK but as with Arko if you can only be in England on specific dates we'll try sort that out round you
[22:10] <eroomde> as the person around whom conferences are plotted
[22:10] <arko> haha
[22:10] <fsphil> he still made it
[22:10] <Upu> Darkside was in the UK anyway
[22:10] <arko> we can coordinate
[22:10] <Upu> it was Dan this time
[22:10] <KT5TK_QRL> OK, good to know.
[22:10] <arko> Upu awesome
[22:10] <Upu> be great to get you all across
[22:10] <Upu> you're welcome to do a talk
[22:10] <Upu> anything really
[22:10] <arko> :)
[22:10] <Upu> videos with rockets on them and people swearing went down well
[22:10] <arko> im going to dance on the table and spray champagen everywhere
[22:11] <fsphil> "Deserts, and how to not land in them"
[22:11] <arko> "USA USA"
[22:11] <Upu> lol
[22:11] <arko> i plan to buy tickets in march
[22:11] <arko> late marchish
[22:11] <KT5TK_QRL> Maybe I should make a talk about American picos ;)
[22:11] <arko> once universal decides to pay me
[22:11] <Upu> maybe we should have a Pico off :)
[22:11] <arko> heh you should
[22:12] <Upu> Uk Pico's vs US Picos :)
[22:12] <fsphil> oooh
[22:12] <Upu> I bring to the table mattbrejza
[22:12] <arko> i'll do a talk on environmental testing of electronics
[22:12] <Upu> for ENGERLAND!
[22:12] <KT5TK_QRL> I'll take that challenge
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[22:13] <Upu> http://imgur.com/a/SWyR6
[22:13] <arko> wow
[22:13] <arko> very pico
[22:13] <fsphil> it was so small I didn't even see it
[22:13] <Upu> but yours does APRS so different ball park
[22:14] <Upu> but I am working on that
[22:14] <fsphil> I may make an unpico
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[22:14] <nigelvh> You do have the listener network advantage
[22:14] <Upu> born out of necessity
[22:14] <nigelvh> fsphil I've got a lead brick to contribute to the unpico project
[22:14] <fsphil> sweet
[22:14] <eroomde> 40 mins to Martinez
[22:15] <eroomde> wherever that is
[22:15] <fsphil> I've got an old satellite dish out the back for a parachute
[22:15] <Upu> right I best go walk the dog bbs
[22:15] <arko> eroomde: thats like nowhere
[22:15] <eroomde> thought as much
[22:15] <eroomde> it's all flat fields atm
[22:16] <daveake> It's so small you can either know where it is, or where it's going, but not both
[22:16] <eroomde> heisenhab
[22:17] <fsphil> didn't that land in richmond park?
[22:17] <eroomde> we shall never know
[22:17] <arko> hah!
[22:17] <fsphil> mystery
[22:18] <eroomde> maybe we can say it did land in richmond park
[22:18] <eroomde> but the landing velocity, who knows
[22:18] <daveake> Maybe it burnt up during re-entry
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[22:19] <daveake> Perhaps it hit one of the animals
[22:19] <daveake> We have no eye deer
[22:20] <eroomde> saw it coming
[22:20] <daveake> You're a bright fallow
[22:20] <eroomde> i saw a bald eagle this morning
[22:20] <eroomde> it was big
[22:21] <eroomde> didn't realise they were quite that big
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[22:21] <fsphil> would probably eat you given half the chance
[22:22] <nigelvh> 'MERIKUH
[22:22] <eroomde> it is all quite lush and green here
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[22:22] <eroomde> i like california already
[22:22] <daveake> We had a great time in CA last year
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[22:24] <eroomde> had a fun chat with an amish couple on the train yesterday
[22:25] <eroomde> sentences in the language of amish begin with 'we don;t much care for...'
[22:25] <eroomde> for example, 'we don't much care for chocolate'
[22:25] <daveake> Aren't trains a bit hi-tech for them?
[22:25] <fsphil> they probably do, but that's just to remind themselves they don't
[22:26] <eroomde> or 'we don't much care to pose for photographs'
[22:26] <eroomde> or
[22:26] <daveake> No internet and no chocolate? How can they survive?
[22:26] <eroomde> 'we don't much care for the radio'
[22:26] <eroomde> well, this couple travel quite a lot
[22:26] <fsphil> those horrible unnatural radio waves
[22:26] <eroomde> always take the train accross america once a year
[22:26] <eroomde> to some place they haven't been to before
[22:27] <fsphil> everyone should try to travel to somewhere they've never been to once in a while
[22:27] <eroomde> interesting couple
[22:27] <eroomde> just, they don't much care for a lot of things
[22:27] <fsphil> that's a shame really
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[22:29] <eroomde> they didn't much care for the guy i was also talking to this morning with the dreadlocks and a red eye and the pitbull either
[22:30] <fsphil> he sounds like a character from Police Academy
[22:30] <eroomde> sblimdram goldfrap
[22:31] <eroomde> now, that's not the actual name of the guy from police academy or beverly hills cop or whatever it is
[22:31] <eroomde> the hellraiser with the wierd voice who is unhinged
[22:31] <eroomde> but his name has the same rhythm as that, if i remember correctly
[22:31] <eroomde> i remember the rythmn but not the actual name
[22:31] <Upu> Michael something
[22:32] <Upu> Wimslow ?
[22:32] <Upu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxcCC2g1Ke0
[22:32] <fsphil> Bobcat Goldthwait
[22:33] <eroomde> thanks you!
[22:33] <eroomde> see
[22:33] <eroomde> sblimdram goldfrap
[22:33] <eroomde> i was close
[22:33] <fsphil> now that sounds like someone from a Douglas Adams book
[22:33] <Upu> oh wrong person sorry
[22:33] <Upu> I'll get my coat
[22:35] <DanielRichman> Upu: "I'd be interest to know if you think there is some method of working round this"
[22:35] <DanielRichman> http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[22:35] <Upu> under windows
[22:35] <Upu> :)
[22:35] <Upu> nice try
[22:36] <DanielRichman> though srsly though; maybe a linux virtualbox, pass that usb port through through to it
[22:36] <Randomskk> ubuntu in a vm? >_>
[22:36] <Upu> well possibly
[22:36] <Randomskk> yea, what DanielRichman said :P
[22:36] <Upu> or I could just retune manually and have an easier life :)
[22:36] <DanielRichman> also an option
[22:37] <Upu> would be nice to get it working though, I do tend to forget to retune the SDR
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[22:37] <fsphil> none of this would be an issue if fldigi could handle >4khz
[22:37] <eroomde> going through marshalnd with lots of cranes and hawks
[22:37] <eroomde> v pretty
[22:38] <eroomde> maybe they're egrets
[22:38] <eroomde> i dunno
[22:38] <Upu> well is that another option :)
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[22:43] <eroomde> arko: martinex has a big fleet of abandoned old military boats
[22:43] <Laurenceb_> where?
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinex
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> WTF wikipedia
[22:44] <Laurenceb_> wikipedia needs to get laid
[22:45] <eroomde> martinez sorry
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[22:46] <Laurenceb_> how much does the train fare cost to do this then?
[22:46] <Laurenceb_> not that i'll be able to afford it
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[22:48] <Laurenceb_> i need a proper job :-/
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[22:53] <eroomde> Laurenceb_: it's not as bad as it could be
[22:53] <eroomde> about $400 for a sleeper
[22:53] <eroomde> i.e. your own private cabin with bed and chairs and table and so on
[22:53] <Laurenceb_> not at all bad
[22:54] <eroomde> compare that to the cost of an internal flight + 3 days worth of food and board and the fact that you get to see the landscape so wonderfully, it's not bad
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[22:54] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[22:54] <Laurenceb_> package or bought separately ?
[22:54] <eroomde> so that's chicago -> SF, the California Zephyr Train
[22:55] <eroomde> all included in one ticket which i bought last week from tickets.amtrak.com
[22:55] <eroomde> probably cheaper if you book further ahead than i did
[22:55] <eroomde> i'm in a 'superliner roomette'
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> i should try this
[22:56] <fsphil> hehe, roomette
[22:56] <eroomde> the alternatives are just coach (just a seat in a coach with everyone else. fine for a shorter trip but massively recommend you don;t for a 3 day trip) or a superliner room, which will sleep 2 people v comfortably
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> coaches are horrible
[22:56] <eroomde> i mean, coach class
[22:56] <eroomde> it's a train carriage
[22:56] <Laurenceb_> i cant even cope with oxford tube
[22:57] <eroomde> but it's referred to as 'coach;
[22:57] <eroomde> 'coach'*
[22:57] <Laurenceb_> oh got you
[22:57] <eroomde> and meals aren't included in the price
[22:57] <eroomde> which can be about $100 for all your meals in the restaurant cart. meals included with the price of the sleeper tho
[22:58] <fsphil> 3 days in a bus? you'd go crazy
[22:58] <Laurenceb_> yeah
[22:58] <eroomde> and smelly
[22:58] <eroomde> the sleeper carriages have really very good showers, and provide towels and stuff, much like a hotel
[22:58] <eroomde> i'm v v impressed with the whole experience tbh
[23:01] <eroomde> impressed by*
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> yeah it sound really good
[23:01] <Laurenceb_> *sounds
[23:01] <eroomde> and i'm meeting hhallam shortly
[23:02] <Randomskk> oh cool
[23:02] <Laurenceb_> watch out for flying rotor blades :D
[23:02] <Randomskk> I heard a rumour on the grapevine that his co got a nice few million US funding recently? though wasn't actually clear if it was his company or not
[23:03] <eroomde> i believe so
[23:03] <Randomskk> cool
[23:03] <eroomde> which bit of grapevine did that come from?
[23:03] <Randomskk> the other ed ;)
[23:03] <Randomskk> via his old startup in CA
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[23:03] <eroomde> aaah
[23:04] <eroomde> yes, he seems the most adult and prosperous i've ever seen him
[23:04] <eroomde> trousers no longer held together by a cable tie
[23:04] <Randomskk> hehe
[23:05] <Randomskk> cusf alumni sure have an entertaining track record
[23:05] <eroomde> we shall carve the world in our image
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[23:05] <Randomskk> I dread to think what the state will be in a decade or so :P
[23:06] <eroomde> i'm looking forward to finding out :)
[23:06] <eroomde> and being a part of it!
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[23:06] <eroomde> we'll hopefully have the launchers and the sats all sewn up
[23:06] <Randomskk> yes, definitely the same here :P
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[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> eroomde, did you complete your train journey?
[23:08] <eroomde> Lunar_Lander: i am just snaking around san francisco bay
[23:08] <eroomde> arriving in about 20 mins
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> how is it?
[23:08] <eroomde> wonderful!
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> cool!
[23:08] <eroomde> bright blue skies, apprently about 15C outside
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> maybe you can stop by the Mythbuster's office
[23:08] <Lunar_Lander> :)
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> Randomskk: you dont have to hear it on the grapevine
[23:09] <eroomde> :)
[23:09] <Laurenceb_> it was in a published press release.. somewhere
[23:09] <eroomde> suspect it's fenced off from the megafans
[23:10] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: I don't spend all day reading press releases
[23:10] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately not in my bookmarks
[23:10] <Randomskk> the grapevine is much more efficient at filtering items of interest to me ;)
[23:10] <Laurenceb_> way to often i do :-/
[23:10] <arko> oh neat
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[23:11] <eroomde> it's their offices i'm walking to when i get there
[23:12] <arko> still training along/
[23:12] <arko> ?
[23:12] <Laurenceb_> talking of press releases
[23:12] <eroomde> arko: yep
[23:12] <eroomde> close now
[23:12] <Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/internet/com/press_release/t3386.jsp
[23:14] <arko> http://i.imgur.com/gE0FLzm.jpg
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[23:14] <arko> tired of the train yet?
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[23:15] <eroomde> not just yet
[23:15] <eroomde> it's just right
[23:16] <Laurenceb_> 1Mt Everest is 8850 meters high and 3B chips, 3mm wide on average, is 9 km.
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[23:17] <eroomde> another day and i'd probably have spent more time in my cabin
[23:17] <eroomde> like now
[23:17] <eroomde> just reading a book or something
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[23:18] <arko> that does sound cool
[23:18] <arko> reading on a transcontiental train
[23:19] <eroomde> yep
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[23:25] <Laurenceb_> that press release has been up for several days
[23:25] Action: Laurenceb_ facepalm
[23:26] <eroomde> right, here
[23:26] <eroomde> bbl
[23:26] <Laurenceb_> right now
[23:26] <arko> SET FOOT ON MOTHER RUSSIA
[23:26] <Laurenceb_> right here
[23:26] <Laurenceb_> right now
[23:27] <Laurenceb_> wrong continent n00b
[23:27] <arko> :P
[23:28] <Laurenceb_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1085541682/bladerf-usb-30-software-defined-radio
[23:28] <Laurenceb_> seriously kickstart
[23:28] <Laurenceb_> how does that not have like $1M by now
[23:28] <Randomskk> huh, it's doing better than I expected by now. wonder if it'l succeed
[23:28] <Randomskk> Laurenceb_: not enough mass market appeal and $400 for the cheapest thing you can get in your hands
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> its like an order of magnitude better than the rest of the junk on there combined
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> unfortunately probably true
[23:29] <arko> Laurenceb_: developers developers developers developers
[23:29] <arko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
[23:29] <Laurenceb_> developer
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> developers
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> rageeeeeeeee
[23:30] <Laurenceb_> *throws chairs*
[23:30] <arko> GIVE IT UP FOR ME
[23:30] <arko> oh man this video brings back memories
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[23:34] <fsphil> I never want to hear the word developers again
[23:34] <nigelvh> developers
[23:34] <fsphil> reading it is fine
[23:35] <nigelvh> Damn
[23:35] <nigelvh> Unrelatedly, what's your phone number?
[23:35] <Laurenceb_> creepy much?
[23:36] <nigelvh> Never! I just want to give fsphil the joy of the word he loves most!
[23:38] <Laurenceb_> as i was saying
[23:38] <nigelvh> Alternately, an automatic text every few minutes would probably bring the same joy.
[23:38] <arko> hahaha
[23:40] <fsphil> hah
[23:41] <nigelvh> I did actually make a script that did that once.
[23:43] <arko> oh man
[23:43] <arko> applescript
[23:43] <arko> back in the day, i wrote one that interfaced with iChat
[23:43] <arko> and texted +1 numbers
[23:44] <arko> no flood errors
[23:45] <nigelvh> At one point long before I had a data plan for my phone I did have unlimited texting, so I wrote a daemon that monitored an inbox and would parse commands and fetch the text of webpages or whatnot. It was pretty cool.
[23:45] <arko> nice!
[23:47] <nigelvh> I think i also had it set up so it could find what the external IP was of my server (didn't have a static at the time), and I think i could also read emails with it.
[23:47] <nigelvh> Been a long time since I looked at it.
[23:47] <arko> damn man, thats old school hax
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[23:49] <nigelvh> Looking at the code now, apparently I also had a note function, so I could leave notes for myself.
[23:51] <nigelvh> All in all not terribly useful, but it was fun to put together.
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[23:59] <arko> most of those projects are for fun anyways
[23:59] <nigelvh> Exactly
[23:59] <arko> tonight
[23:59] <arko> im drinking some nice scotch
[23:59] <arko> i've had a crazy week
[23:59] <nigelvh> I'm eating a chicken pot pie
[23:59] <arko> nice
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