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[01:16] <KT5TK_QRL> SPI is not my friend :(
[01:18] <KT5TK_QRL> Trying to talk from an ATmega to a Si4464 and get strange replies from the radio chip
[01:18] <KT5TK_QRL> http://pastebin.com/fS7LnaJ4
[01:20] <KT5TK_QRL> This is what I get as reply: http://pastebin.com/hhHFVDQY
[01:20] <KT5TK_QRL> What am I missing?
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[05:09] <nigelvh> Still having troubles KT5TK_QRL eh?
[05:19] <KT5TK_QRL> Yep
[05:20] <KT5TK_QRL> Can't interpret the output I get from the Si4464
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[05:34] <nigelvh> Hmm
[05:34] <nigelvh> Have you looked at the data lines, is it actually clocking data to you?
[05:39] <arko> eroomde: around?
[05:45] <KT5TK_QRL> The micro is actually clocking
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> the chip responds something
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> but I have no logic analyzer
[05:46] <nigelvh> So you are getting data over the miso line, just garbage so far.
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> It looks pretty reproducible
[05:47] <KT5TK_QRL> 00 00 00 00 00 01 01 FC repeats over and over
[05:48] <KT5TK_QRL> instead of FF
[05:48] <KT5TK_QRL> according to datasheet
[05:53] <nigelvh> Is the programming spec in a separate datasheet? I'm not seeing much in the standard datasheet.
[05:55] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN633.pdf
[05:55] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/EZRadioPRO-API.zip
[05:55] <KT5TK_QRL> That's all I found
[05:56] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/EZRadioPRO/Pages/Si446x.aspx has a WDS3-Setup.exe but it doesn't install with wine
[05:56] <nigelvh> Alright, and what commands are you sending?
[05:57] <KT5TK_QRL> 0x02 boot up
[05:58] <KT5TK_QRL> 0x01, 0x00, 0x01, 0x9b, 0xfc, 0xc0 are the parameters
[05:59] <KT5TK_QRL> should be: no patch, boot main app. img, 27 MHz
[06:03] <nigelvh> They do seem to put a lot of emphasis on that test application
[06:03] <nigelvh> Perhaps test it in a windows VM?
[06:04] <KT5TK_QRL> I'd have to digg out my old Windows2000 CD
[06:05] <nigelvh> I don't have a 4464 handy, but let me see about grabbing that app and see if it shows anything useful.
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[06:05] <KT5TK_QRL> It might produce some 8051 style code I guess
[06:06] <nigelvh> Mostly just curious to see the bytes.
[06:10] <nigelvh> Yeah, this definitely is not very friendly. Have to install their stupid app, then it has to install the matlab runtimes, and who knows what else.
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[06:21] <nigelvh> Alright, I think I may have some useful data. Here's a screenshot from the program with the data on config stuff. http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-Shot-2013-01-30-at-10.19.05-PM.png
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[06:21] <nigelvh> And here's the .h file the program generated with that data. http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/radio_config_Si4464.h
[06:22] <KT5TK_QRL> Tnks, looking at it
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[06:23] <KT5TK_QRL> #define RF_POWER_UP 0x02, 0x01, 0x01, 0x01, 0x9B, 0xFC, 0xC0
[06:24] <KT5TK_QRL> second parameter is different from what I have
[06:24] <nigelvh> True.
[06:25] <nigelvh> How are you checking for the CTS?
[06:26] <KT5TK_QRL> Ah, that means internal crystal, but I have an external vcxo.
[06:26] <KT5TK_QRL> so mine was correct
[06:26] <nigelvh> It would appear so
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[06:27] <KT5TK_QRL> http://pastebin.com/i6qA3dv9
[06:27] <KT5TK_QRL> this is what I just play with
[06:28] <KT5TK_QRL> Line 82 radio_comm_WaitForReady()
[06:28] <KT5TK_QRL> reads the MISO
[06:29] <KT5TK_QRL> after sending 0x44
[06:30] <KT5TK_QRL> Apparently it hangs right in that for loop
[06:30] <KT5TK_QRL> while loop, sorry
[06:31] <nigelvh> Have you tried doing a wait for ready before sending the power up command?
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[06:32] <nigelvh> I don't know if that's even valid...
[06:32] <KT5TK_QRL> I ham waiting until GPIO01 gets set to high. That actually works.
[06:33] <nigelvh> Ok, so the chip is indicating it should be ready to get commands.
[06:34] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes
[06:36] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/AN633.pdf page 23 describes the options for the boot process
[06:37] <nigelvh> Wait... it looks to me like after you send the command, you deassert the SSpin, then reassert to catch the CTS, right?
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[06:39] <KT5TK_QRL> Page 16
[06:39] <nigelvh> page 18 of the Si4464-63-61-60.pdf seems to indicate that you don't deassert
[06:39] <KT5TK_QRL> I understand that SDI sends 0x44
[06:39] <KT5TK_QRL> then directly SDO receives CTS
[06:40] <KT5TK_QRL> Page 18 is FIFO reading
[06:40] <KT5TK_QRL> ox66
[06:41] <KT5TK_QRL> 0x66
[06:41] <nigelvh> I think you're looking at a different one.
[06:41] <nigelvh> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/Si4464-63-61-60.pdf
[06:41] <nigelvh> Page 18 as marked
[06:41] <nigelvh> This is in the general SPI section
[06:42] <KT5TK_QRL> Ah in the Datasheet
[06:42] <nigelvh> Looks to me that the command gets sent, immediately start reading for CTS without deasserting, and as soon as you get it, then start reading data.
[06:43] <KT5TK_QRL> right
[06:43] <KT5TK_QRL> but I never get the expected FF
[06:43] <nigelvh> Your current code deasserts after sending the command, and reasserts to check for CTS
[06:43] <nigelvh> The diagram shows that you never deassert
[06:44] <KT5TK_QRL> let me see
[06:45] <KT5TK_QRL> radio_comm_WaitForReady()
[06:45] <KT5TK_QRL> sends out SPI.transfer(0x44);
[06:46] <KT5TK_QRL> and then immediately I read answer = (char) SPI.transfer(0xFF);
[06:46] <KT5TK_QRL> or where are you looking at?
[06:46] <nigelvh> Yes, and you're setting SSpin low at the beginning of that and setting it high again at the end. The same happens in radio_comm_SendCmd.
[06:46] <nigelvh> You're ending the communication then starting a new communication.
[06:47] <KT5TK_QRL> OK, so should I keep SS low in between?
[06:47] <nigelvh> The diagram on page 18 shows you set the pin low, send your command, immediately look for a 0xFF response, then grab the response data after you get it. All in the same communication. It never gets de-asserted till the end.
[06:48] <nigelvh> In this context, it doesn't even show sending the 0x44, so I'd guess you send your command, and immediately just try and read.
[06:49] <KT5TK_QRL> ReadCmdBuff = 0x44 as I understand it
[06:50] <nigelvh> I'd try sending the bootup command, ignore the 0x44, and just try to read data till you get a 0xFF without deasserting SSpin
[06:51] <KT5TK_QRL> I'll try this. Give me a few minutes
[06:54] <Upu> morning guys, this looks interesting :)
[06:54] <nigelvh> It always is.
[06:54] <nigelvh> I don't have a board with a 4464 on it yet, but I plan to, so I'm just as invested in getting it working.
[06:56] <KT5TK_QRL> I have plenty of PCBs and 4464 chips. Whoever assures me to help with the software I can send one.
[06:57] <KT5TK_QRL> (without GPS and small parts
[06:57] <KT5TK_QRL> )
[06:57] <nigelvh> Don't worry about it. I'm working on my next revision presently, so I'll have one soon enough.
[06:57] Action: Darkside is looking at using a Si1000
[06:58] <nigelvh> Fancy Darkside.
[06:59] <KT5TK_QRL> 8051 core I believe
[06:59] <Darkside> yeah
[06:59] <Darkside> well theres people at the conf here that use them
[06:59] <Darkside> including one that wrote open source firmware
[06:59] <Darkside> andrew tridgell
[07:00] <Darkside> also bdale is here, who uses TI chips
[07:00] <Darkside> which have 8051 cores
[07:09] <Dark3D> I'm sad, finally had to reboot one of my boxes: caprica:/var/log # uptime 01:01am up 397 days 18:11
[07:10] <KT5TK_QRL> Here is the new version: http://pastebin.com/GAftU1yu
[07:11] <KT5TK_QRL> With this output: http://pastebin.com/tehn3DA4
[07:12] <KT5TK_QRL> Though the LEDs don't really switch off
[07:12] <KT5TK_QRL> means that the chip doesn't seem to react on that command
[07:13] <KT5TK_QRL> in deed there are FFs
[07:14] <nigelvh> So it is sending an FF after your command.
[07:14] <KT5TK_QRL> but this might simply mean that the MISO pin is constantly high
[07:15] <nigelvh> Also true
[07:16] <nigelvh> What response bytes are we expecting from the boot command?
[07:16] <nigelvh> Beyond the 0xFF CTS?
[07:17] <KT5TK_QRL> Only 0xFF
[07:23] <nigelvh> Hmm. Perhaps it would be helpful to test a command with expected return data. Something like send 0x01 then recieve for 0xFF (CTS) 0xXX (DATA)...
[07:26] <KT5TK_QRL> I was sending GET_INT_STATUS 0x20 but I just noticed that the syntax was more complicated for that command.
[07:26] <KT5TK_QRL> that should return something
[07:26] <KT5TK_QRL> let me try to fix that
[07:27] <nigelvh> Also I had "Use external TCXO/Ref Source" checked in the config, so the 0x01 in place of your 0x00 is what it was generating. I just confirmed that if I uncheck that, it generates a 0x00 for the bootup option.
[07:27] <nigelvh> So unless this program is wrong, you may be setting it to use the internal crystal.
[07:27] <KT5TK_QRL> At least this is understood ;)
[07:28] <KT5TK_QRL> OMG 0x20 is complex.
[07:29] <KT5TK_QRL> I think I have to go through this tomorrow
[07:29] <nigelvh> Sounds good to me. Though I think we've potentially made progress.
[07:30] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, thanks so much Nigel!
[07:30] <nigelvh> BTW, is your WSPR station still on 30m?
[07:30] <KT5TK_QRL> I was turning in circles before
[07:30] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes still listening 30m WSPR
[07:30] <KT5TK_QRL> but no tx atm
[07:31] <nigelvh> Hmm. I've been heard by a number of stations near you, but don't believe you've picked me up.
[07:31] <nigelvh> Oh well.
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[07:32] <KT5TK_QRL> Not in the last week
[07:33] <KT5TK_QRL> but WA2YUN heard you. 7030 km distance
[07:33] <nigelvh> Which is pretty good. Especially considering how much of an NVIS my antenna is.
[07:34] <KT5TK_QRL> What are you using as antenna?
[07:34] <KT5TK_QRL> it was 29 dB below noise level. nice!
[07:35] <nigelvh> I've got some wire running along the gutters on either side of the house.
[07:35] <nigelvh> Each leg ends up being about 50ft long, and about 8ft up.
[07:36] <nigelvh> Mostly parallel to eachother, maybe 30 feet apart.
[07:36] <KT5TK_QRL> using a matchbox?
[07:36] <nigelvh> You mean a tuner?
[07:36] <KT5TK_QRL> yes
[07:37] <nigelvh> Yes, I've got an SG-230
[07:37] <nigelvh> Thing will tune a rock.
[07:37] <KT5TK_QRL> :)
[07:37] <KT5TK_QRL> or gutters
[07:37] <nigelvh> Yes
[07:38] <nigelvh> Luckily enough both my roof and the gutters are not metal, so they don't mess with the wire all TOO much.
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[09:09] <daveake> Well that Pi-i2c-ublox code has been running for about 18 hours now now errors
[09:09] <daveake> sorry wrong window :p
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[12:34] <VK6DI> greetings to all
[12:34] <Darkside> hi VK6DI
[12:35] <VK6DI> I'm looking into HAB, for the first time on a 'serious' note.... Making the assumption that you're all experts, what are some useful first tips?
[12:35] <VK6DI> Hi Darkside
[12:35] <Darkside> start on getting approval from CASA now
[12:35] <daveake> read the wiki :)
[12:35] <Darkside> as it takes a long time
[12:35] <Darkside> don't launch from perth
[12:35] <Darkside> go a long way inland
[12:35] <VK6DI> Really Darkside? Where in the world are you?
[12:35] <Darkside> and since you're a ham radio operator, use either APRS, or a RTTY downlink
[12:35] <Darkside> VK6DI: i'm from project horus
[12:35] <Darkside> you may have heard of us :-)
[12:36] <VK6DI> yeah, I've been reading your stuff!!
[12:36] <Darkside> hhehe
[12:36] <VK6DI> great site guys... I think I posted a thing on there trying to find out more....
[12:36] <Darkside> well, the RTTY downlink really is the best way of doing it
[12:36] <Darkside> especually since you'll already have the gear to receive it
[12:36] <Darkside> has better range and uses less power than APRS too
[12:36] <VK6DI> that site has kept me going for hours! Oh, look, it's one of my open tabs at the moment! LOL
[12:37] <Darkside> haha
[12:37] <VK6DI> Yeah, I really like what you guys have set up... it looks so simple
[12:37] <Darkside> I
[12:37] <Darkside> I'm VK5QI
[12:37] <Darkside> currently in canberra at the moment, for linux.conf.au
[12:38] <VK6DI> Hi Mark! So I am guessing that you stalk this IRC quite a bit? It's the first time I've even been on IRC haha
[12:38] <Darkside> i'm always here :-)
[12:38] <Darkside> well, always logged in
[12:38] <Darkside> not always watching
[12:38] <VK6DI> Good to know! haha.
[12:38] <Darkside> anyway, the UKHAS wiki has heaps of stuff
[12:38] <Darkside> including info on the RTTY transmissions
[12:39] <Darkside> so you can take that route, or you can fly an APRS tracker
[12:39] <VK6DI> I found the links to them on your site and have been reading a bit about all sorts...
[12:39] <Darkside> but there'll be not much APRS coverage where you'll land :-)
[12:39] <VK6DI> Never got into the whole APRS... and figure coverage... oh, you've just mentioned that!
[12:39] <Darkside> so RTTY may be better
[12:39] <VK6DI> I agree!
[12:40] <Darkside> do you have something that can receive sideband at 70cm?
[12:40] <VK6DI> So you mention not to launch from Perth... well, SA would be better HI
[12:40] <Darkside> like a FT-817/857, or Icom 706, 7000
[12:40] <Darkside> well don't launch from perth itself
[12:40] <Darkside> just go a bit inland
[12:40] <VK6DI> I run the 897...
[12:40] <Darkside> there's been another guy that has launched from perth
[12:40] <VK6DI> ah, gotcha...
[12:40] <Darkside> he went about 200km inland
[12:40] <Darkside> yeah 897 will do the job
[12:41] <Darkside> it'll RX sideband on 70cm just fine :-)
[12:41] <Darkside> anyway, the simplest way to get started is with a radiometrix NTX2 module, which you can order from RFMA.com.au
[12:41] <VK6DI> I've been playing recently with tracking the BOM radiosondes with an arrow antenna and the VX7....
[12:41] <Darkside> GPS module, some microcontroller to tie it all together
[12:41] <Darkside> yep
[12:42] <Darkside> are those digital sondes?
[12:42] <Darkside> we only have radar tracked analog sondes here
[12:42] <VK6DI> Ah, great Mark... that was a question I had, and it was looking like the actual radiometrix site was the only crowd that had them....
[12:42] <Darkside> i can't remember the exact model of the one you want
[12:42] <Darkside> i think its NTX2-434.650-HP
[12:42] <VK6DI> Nah, the sondes are the analog 92's which sux! No data! LOL
[12:42] <Darkside> though inot 100%
[12:42] <Darkside> you want the 25mW version
[12:43] <VK6DI> I've just managed to find some sondes in the UK which are the gps version...
[12:43] <Darkside> for a gps, i'd probably get one from here: http://ava.upuaut.net/store
[12:43] <Darkside> yeah the gps sondes are cool
[12:44] <VK6DI> thanks for that info... I'll jump onto those sites shortly and have a nosey....
[12:44] <fsphil> I've found the GPS data from those sondes to be not hugely accurate
[12:44] <Darkside> they did a big proving run for a new radar here a while back
[12:44] <Darkside> and they launched a shitload of digital sondes
[12:44] <Darkside> so we went out and nabbed a few
[12:44] <Darkside> i managed to retune them up to 420.050MHz
[12:44] <VK6DI> Yeah, they're gps doppler rather than proper gps!
[12:44] <Darkside> which was fun at the time
[12:44] <Darkside> btu useless now
[12:44] <VK6DI> Haha...good on you!
[12:44] <Darkside> they transmit the raw gps data
[12:45] <Darkside> all the correlation and whatnot done on the ground
[12:45] <Darkside> pretty cool system
[12:45] <Darkside> but yeah,they can't be pushed up into the amateur bands
[12:45] <Darkside> the PLL just can't lock that high
[12:45] <Darkside> and the PLL chip itself is custom silicon, and I can't find the specs for it
[12:46] <VK6DI> ok... yeah, I saw them for about 4 pound so grabbed a couple...
[12:46] <Darkside> yeah, you can't use them for a flight sadly
[12:46] <Darkside> you guys never had 420-430 anyway, did you
[12:46] <VK6DI> Sore point for some LOL!
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[12:47] <Darkside> less ATV channels!
[12:47] <Darkside> hehe
[12:47] <VK6DI> Never been a big UHF fan anyway... I'm more HF
[12:47] <Darkside> anyway, the sondes are very very locked down
[12:47] <Darkside> which is a pain
[12:47] <Darkside> mm HF is fun, been playing a lot with FreeDV recently
[12:47] <VK6DI> 2m bicycle mobile as a teenager was about the closest I have ever got to UHF!
[12:48] <fsphil> nice thing about VHF and UHF, very little noise
[12:48] <VK6DI> Never heard of FreeDV.... or maybe I have, but not payed too much attention!
[12:48] <VK6DI> Yeah, no noise on HF either if you use squelch hahaha
[12:49] <Darkside> VK6DI: if you're about tomorrow night around 6-7pm your time (i think) I might be about on HF
[12:50] <Darkside> not sure where i'll be, but i'll be trying to be on IRC at the time
[12:50] <fsphil> did you guys do the demo at the conf?
[12:50] <Darkside> yep
[12:50] <Darkside> did 2 actually :-)
[12:50] <fsphil> sweet
[12:50] <VK6DI> I'll have to look out for you on HF, but away at the saltmine at the moment...
[12:50] <Darkside> and then we did some over the air contacts at night
[12:50] <Darkside> will be doing more tomorrow night
[12:50] <Darkside> ok, i need to sleep
[12:50] <Darkside> good keynote tomorrow
[12:51] <Darkside> sit tim berners lee
[12:51] <Darkside> sir*
[12:51] <VK6DI> Cheers Mark, thanks for the info... 73
[12:55] <fsphil> why couldn't the eclipse have been this week
[12:55] <fsphil> stupid orbits
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[13:51] <fsphil> just cause I love the noise (the first one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibI8qGSNIFk
[14:09] <Maxell> \o/ for https
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[16:49] <eroomde> arko: i'm here v v briefly now
[17:02] <nick_> where is here?
[17:03] <Hibby> don't get philosophical on us, now
[17:10] <Laurenceb> when?
[17:11] <fsphil> we passed when
[17:11] <Laurenceb> thought so
[17:11] <Hibby> but when was when?
[17:11] Action: Hibby had a discussion with someone about the philosophy of mathematics the other day. Brain melted.
[17:11] <Randomskk> now, obviously. you said so yourself
[17:12] <fsphil> just now
[17:12] <Hibby> right now, just now or now?
[17:12] <fsphil> now now
[17:12] <Hibby> then, now?
[17:12] <Hibby> now then, now then!
[17:12] <fsphil> yes
[17:12] <fsphil> </vorlon>
[17:12] <Hibby> well, I'm now leaving to go home.
[17:13] <fsphil> a good plan
[17:13] <fsphil> gonna do the same myself
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[18:07] <arko> Good morning
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[18:09] <jonsowman> [A
[18:09] <jonsowman> er, sorry
[18:19] <Hiena> I hates my god damned oven, it's totally unpredictable...
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[18:52] <W0OTM> Howdy
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[19:45] <paulcdr> Hi folks, hoping to launch our first balloon in July here in Northern Ireland
[19:51] <paulcdr> i am planning to use an arduino with a ntx2 and have found loads of info on it, but getting some info for the antenna is a bit more tricky. anyone any info or sites for the antenna for the payload
[19:53] <daveake> You just need to make a 1/4 wave antenna with ground plane wires, using some coax and bits of wire
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[19:53] <daveake> Antenna needs to be 164mm long
[19:55] <paulcdr> i seen one that had 4 wires attached to a plate that was attached to some coax, is it these 4 wires that need to be 164mm long
[19:56] <daveake> No those can be other sizes
[19:56] <mattbrejza> i always thought the radials were supposed to be 164mm long too :/
[19:56] <mattbrejza> either way theyre not as important as the centre one
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[19:58] <paulcdr> can the coax be any length or is that to be factored into the total lenght
[19:58] <LazyLeopard> It's a good length to aim at for the radials, if they're perpendicular to the antenna. ;)
[19:59] <daveake> mattbrejza: Well, I asked that very question ages ago and nobody seemed to to think they needed to be 164mm. I wondered if it was "larger=better" or if (as I suspected) 164 was a sweet spot.
[19:59] <daveake> Even so, I always make them 164 myself :)
[19:59] <mattbrejza> if you make a dipole the two sides should be the same length
[19:59] <nigelvh> They ARE important when tuning an antenna
[19:59] <mattbrejza> and these antennas are like folded over dipole
[20:00] <mattbrejza> they should also be 135 degrees to the driven
[20:00] <nigelvh> You're simulating a ground plane, but not very accurately, so their angle and length do matter.
[20:00] <mattbrejza> again doesnt matter too much
[20:00] <LazyLeopard> Strictly they're ground-plane verticals
[20:00] <nigelvh> However, they are less critical than the radiating element.
[20:00] <daveake> Yeah I have swept mine up at an angle sometimes, like this one http://www.daveakerman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/IMG_3365-768x1024.jpg
[20:01] <nigelvh> That is a common one
[20:01] <nigelvh> I also like how the dot makes it a miniature death star.
[20:02] <daveake> That one I called Buzznik :)
[20:02] <daveake> The circle was a piezeo buzzer
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[20:03] <nigelvh> Ah
[20:03] <x-f> does the buzzer really help finding the payload or it might be left off?
[20:03] <nigelvh> Assuming the wind noise when searching isn't too loud it could be very helpful
[20:03] <daveake> Helped on one of mine
[20:05] <nigelvh> If you've been geocaching, then you're well aware that GPS coordinates can get you close, but sometimes things are hard to see.
[20:06] <x-f> ok, noted
[20:07] <paulcdr> wow lots of info there. so is it better to have the 4 radials perpendicular or angled up like daves picture? or does it really have any impact in the distance that it can be transmitted over
[20:07] <nigelvh> Angled up tends to give better impedance match
[20:08] <mattbrejza> it comes down to what is easiest when youre making the box really
[20:08] <daveake> Exactly.
[20:08] <daveake> If it's a box I just go with horizontal radials
[20:08] <paulcdr> good point, we are planning a square box
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[20:10] <paulcdr> what kind of wire do you use? is it just the inner core of some coax?
[20:10] <mattbrejza> it can be
[20:11] <mattbrejza> ive done that before
[20:11] <paulcdr> whats the best you have used?
[20:11] <mattbrejza> in terms of performance it doesnt matter
[20:11] <paulcdr> stiffness?
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[20:12] <mattbrejza> coax is fine if thats easiest
[20:13] <mattbrejza> rg58
[20:13] <daveake> I generally use RG174 coax, peeled back with 164mm left poking out. The ground plane wires are soldered to the coax. I put a straw over the centre core to keep it straight
[20:14] <paulcdr> soldered to the inner core? what about the braid part of the coax? is that attached to anything on the antenna its self?
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[20:15] <nigelvh> Core is attached to the vertical, and the braid is attached to the four radials
[20:18] <paulcdr> ok, so no contact between the core and the braid. so stripped coax and a pcb with 4 rads and the braid soldered to it sounds like a plan
[20:21] <nigelvh> That would work.
[20:22] <paulcdr> thanks for that folks, thats really useful
[20:23] <paulcdr> on the ground, is a one of them magmounted car antennas enough? ive seen them on ebay and they are not that expensive. thinking of using one of the ezcaps usb dongles and an sdr
[20:23] <paulcdr> or is it better to invest in a proper radio/receiver
[20:23] <daveake> A 434MHz magmount is just fine
[20:24] <daveake> For a chase car I much prefer to use a "proper" receiver
[20:24] <mclane> for the dongle I recommend to use at least upu's habamp
[20:25] <daveake> If you're patient you should be able to pick up a suitable scanner for £80-£120
[20:26] <nigelvh> I like ?80-?120, seems like a good price to me.
[20:26] <daveake> :)
[20:27] <paulcdr> it must be 15 year from i played with radios and scanners, i remember i had a uniden bearcat 220xlt scanner i think.
[20:27] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ICOM-IC-R10-Communications-Receiver-/190790495466?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D5270522592298258676%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D190790495466%26
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[20:28] <nigelvh> I read that wrong and thought you said you had a Unicorn Bearcat, which is a whole lot more entertaining.
[20:28] <paulcdr> yeah, that would be more fun than radios
[20:29] <paulcdr> thats upu, something like that would be the ticket
[20:29] <paulcdr> i mean thanks upu
[20:30] <Upu> got a dodgy battery terminal
[20:30] <Upu> apparently
[20:30] <Upu> but I use one of those and they work well
[20:30] <Upu> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AOR-AR-8000-Scanner-/170980940644?_trksid=p2047675.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555001%26algo%3DPW.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29%26meid%3D5270575415226192603%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D1013%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D190790495466%26
[20:30] <paulcdr> yeah, ill pass on that one, i have until july to pick one up
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[20:32] <paulcdr> am i right that you use the earphone socket and just run a 3.5 to 3.5 into a mic socket on a laptop and run it through dl-fldigi
[20:32] <Upu> yeah
[20:32] <Upu> or you can use an SDR
[20:33] <hyte> quiq question, why doesn't fldigi hab see the negative long in $$$$HYTE001,25,20:30:44,5129.93079,-0006.61032,36.7*21 ?
[20:33] <Upu> [2013-01-31 20:11:04,180] DEBUG habitat.parser MainThread: Exception in UKHAS main parse: (field latitude): Coordinate out of range (-90 <= x <= 90)
[20:33] <Upu> [2013-01-31 20:11:04,122] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: Parsing [ascii] '$$HYTE001,8,20:10:51,5129.92755,-6.60692,44.3*2C\n' (07eca5b98c73e8991d2b89677832fe3857aed9578b8793abd3b46b0298e6ce35) from lon123
[20:33] <Upu> [2013-01-31 20:10:51,192] INFO habitat.parser MainThread: All attempts to parse failed
[20:34] <lz1dev> latitude is in the wrong format
[20:34] <hyte> what should it be please?
[20:34] <mattbrejza> well thats fine if nmea?
[20:34] <Upu> whats your document say ?
[20:34] <mattbrejza> well should probably be -00006.1234
[20:35] <mattbrejza> if you are really that close to the merdian
[20:35] <hyte> london
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[20:35] <mattbrejza> are you just string copying from the nmea string?
[20:36] <hyte> i'm slecting out the data I want ie long number then parsing the positive or negive (w/e)
[20:37] <hyte> excuse the bad spelling, flitting between windows
[20:37] <mattbrejza> i think youre missing a leading 0 from longitude
[20:38] <lz1dev> isnt 5129.93079, degrees + minutes in decimal
[20:38] <mattbrejza> its DDdd.mm
[20:38] <mattbrejza> wait
[20:38] <mattbrejza> DDMM.mmm
[20:39] <hyte> ahh, so only three digits after the decimal?
[20:39] <mattbrejza> well DDMM.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is also valid
[20:39] <mattbrejza> its the ones before that matter
[20:39] <mattbrejza> for latitude is DDMM.mmmm
[20:39] <mattbrejza> for longitude DDDMM.mmmmmm
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[20:41] <hyte> i thought i had DDDMM.mmmmm (-00006.62039), where should the negative be?
[20:43] <mattbrejza> yea but you sent -0006.___ not -00006.___
[20:43] <mattbrejza> negative is fine
[20:44] <hyte> sorry, yes. I've jut been trying different numbers of 0s during this.
[20:44] <mattbrejza> also fldigi might not display nmea format coordinates correctly, look on spacenear to see if its appeared there
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[20:50] <paulcdr> folks i really appreciate the info, you have gave me a good direction to start in. have to dig out the soldering iron. enjoy the rest of your evening
[20:51] <Upu> have fun
[20:54] <paulcdr> upu, are you the upu from habsupplies
[20:54] <Upu> It is I yes
[20:56] <paulcdr> cool, i have been on your site, im planning to get some of the gear from you. the ubloc gps and the ntx2, hope to order in the next few days
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[20:56] <Upu> ok cool they are all in stock
[20:57] <paulcdr> thats why you were talkign about the HABAmp earlier, trying to push a sale lol
[20:58] <Upu> I wasn't talking about it :)
[20:59] <Upu> Its Darkside's HABAmp anyway
[20:59] <Upu> I just sell it
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[21:01] <mclane> it was me recommending it
[21:01] <paulcdr> sorry, someone else mentioned it, i wasnt having a go, just a laf.
[21:01] <Upu> no its ok :)
[21:02] <Upu> For testing you can just get away with an SDR
[21:02] <Upu> but if you want to track the filter will make a difference
[21:02] <paulcdr> what are the benefits of the amp, clearer signal?
[21:03] <Upu> SDR's can be overloaded with strong local signals
[21:03] <Upu> meaning they are deaf to the weak HAB singals
[21:03] <Upu> signals
[21:03] <Upu> the HABAmp filters them out and boosts the signal as well
[21:03] <paulcdr> i dont understand what you mean by track the filter
[21:03] <Upu> if you want to track a balloon thats up there using an SDR
[21:03] <mclane> the input filter on the habamp prevents out-of-band disturbers to saturate the input
[21:04] <mclane> of the dongle
[21:04] <paulcdr> ahh ok, sold then
[21:04] <Laurenceb_> http://omfgdogs.com/
[21:04] Action: Upu slaps Laurenceb
[21:05] <Upu> have a read of http://rfhead.net/?p=484
[21:05] <fsphil> doggies!!!11
[21:06] <paulcdr> cool, worth a read.
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[21:08] <paulcdr> does the filter HABAmp come in that case or the exposed board
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[21:11] <Upu> exposed board
[21:13] <paulcdr> cheers upu, gonna go this time, thanks again
[21:13] <paulcdr> good night
[21:13] <Upu> night :)
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[21:23] <Lunar_Lander> hello
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[21:26] <fsphil> why hello there mr.lander
[21:26] <Lunar_Lander> :)
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[21:31] <staylo> Hi guys, I'm just starting to look for a thin profile (low depth) 3.3V supply GPS module or module & small antenna arrangement, preferably with NMEA output. Low power consumption would be useful, low cost would be helpful too. Does any particular module spring to mind? :)
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[21:35] <mattbrejza> staylo: ublox max 6 + chip antenna
[21:37] <Upu> http://ava.upuaut.net/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_60&product_id=52
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[21:40] <staylo> Cool, thanks! Looks excellent :)
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[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> Upu, hello
[21:42] <Lunar_Lander> do you plan to carry version 7 of the ublox as soon as it is available?
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[21:52] <fsphil> if this wind keeps up I'll not be launching for a while
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> ah you have the same problem?
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> wind, rain
[21:54] <Lunar_Lander> and even a thunderstorm today
[21:54] <Darkside> i'm in a big theatre, waiting to hear sit tim berners-lee talk
[21:54] <Darkside> sir*
[21:54] Action: SpeedEvil follows him on twitter.
[21:55] <SpeedEvil> and I've seen him pop up on a couple of IRC channels
[21:55] <fsphil> they don't seem to have any video streams this year Darkside, or am I missing the obvious?
[21:55] <Darkside> hold on
[21:55] <Darkside> will get a link
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[21:55] <Darkside> http://live.stream.linux.conf.au/lca2013.ogg
[21:56] <Darkside> wifi here is getting congested
[21:56] <Darkside> really really badly
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[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> wow, isn't he the father of the public internet?
[21:56] <Darkside> yes
[21:56] <KT5TK_QRL> So he was the guy who caused us so much trouble with the internet?
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:56] <Darkside> yeah, it's all his fault
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[21:56] <mattbrejza> dispite being a professor at our uni ive never seen him
[21:56] <mfa298> I think it's more like inventor of the web (not quite the same as the internet)
[21:56] <Lunar_Lander> who of you remembers the music of the 90's ?
[21:56] <fsphil> ah that's working, ta Darkside
[21:57] Action: mfa298 being pedantic
[21:57] <Darkside> np phil
[21:57] <mattbrejza> Darkside: wave
[21:57] <fsphil> big crowd
[21:57] <Darkside> pff
[21:57] <fsphil> lol
[21:57] <Darkside> i don't think i'm in frame
[21:57] <Darkside> oh wait
[21:57] <Darkside> yes i am
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> XD
[21:57] <Darkside> no wait, nos i'm not
[21:57] <Lunar_Lander> anyway
[21:57] <Darkside> thats only half of the theatre
[21:58] <Lunar_Lander> music of the 90's!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVdy1rK9F1E
[21:58] <Darkside> this is rather meta
[21:58] <Darkside> watching the feed
[21:58] <fsphil> you're not watching it, you're living it
[21:59] <Lunar_Lander> experience the feed!
[21:59] <fsphil> friday, pfft
[22:00] <fsphil> I'm watching the FUTURE
[22:00] <Lunar_Lander> fsphil, ohh Doc Brown?
[22:00] <fsphil> more an Aqua Blue
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> hm
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> http://mightyohm.com/blog/2013/01/soldering-is-easy-shoutout-in-lifehackers-how-to-get-started-with-diy-electronics-projects/
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> what do you think about that?
[22:01] <Lunar_Lander> not a good idea to do X-Rays just for entertainment
[22:02] <fsphil> anyone who does is most transparent
[22:03] <fsphil> no other type of evens would have this many audience members on laptops
[22:03] <fsphil> event*
[22:04] <Darkside> haha
[22:04] <Darkside> yes
[22:04] <Darkside> so many people on the wifi
[22:05] <Darkside> as soon as you drop back to 2.4GHz from 5GHz, your connection goes to shit
[22:05] <Darkside> there are also a LOT of portable hotspots
[22:05] <Darkside> though the "You
[22:05] <fsphil> be interesting to take a look at it with an rtl-sdr
[22:05] <Darkside> though the "You're a cunt" hotspot that was present yesterday is missing today
[22:05] <fsphil> lol
[22:05] <Darkside> doesnt go that high
[22:05] <fsphil> ah yes
[22:06] <Darkside> woo
[22:06] <Darkside> mikal
[22:07] <fsphil> does being knighted mean you get to carry a sword #lca2013
[22:07] <mattbrejza> lol introducing the introducer
[22:08] <mattbrejza> are there any girls in that room?
[22:08] <fsphil> I saw one
[22:09] <mattbrejza> ukhas conference beaten
[22:09] <Darkside> many
[22:09] <fsphil> conshorsium
[22:10] <mattbrejza> the american commentators reaction to tim was amusing
[22:10] <Darkside> so for your UK people
[22:10] <Darkside> simon hackett is a pretty cool guy
[22:11] <Darkside> he runs the coolest ISP in the country
[22:11] <Darkside> well
[22:11] <Darkside> he did
[22:11] <Darkside> ISP is still cool
[22:12] <fsphil> the choice of shirts is very brave
[22:12] <mattbrejza> dressing like a true australian?
[22:12] <fsphil> stream just died for me
[22:13] <mfa298> same here
[22:13] <fsphil> ah going again
[22:13] <mattbrejza> same
[22:13] <Darkside> lol
[22:13] <Darkside> its a conference shirt
[22:13] <Darkside> its a tux-themed hawaiian shirt
[22:13] <fsphil> stop downloading stuff Darkside, you're stopping our stream
[22:13] <Darkside> i have one
[22:13] <Darkside> pff
[22:13] <Darkside> its on a multi-gbit connection
[22:14] <mfa298> probably using 2.4ghz wireless camera :p
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[22:16] <fsphil> meh
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[22:17] <mfa298> just refreshed (for the 2nd time) and it looks to be working again
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[22:20] <chrisstubbs> Evening
[22:20] <mfa298> evening
[22:21] <Adam012> Evening
[22:22] <chrisstubbs> Looking at antenna mounts for my shiny new X50, but all i have found so far is this type of thing: http://www.screwfix.com/p/labgear-tv-aerial-wall-fixing-kit/96275
[22:22] <Adam012> Just weighing equipment so we can make a really accurate prediction about a possible landing site this weekend. Looks like we might have to cancel unless we can get a low burst.
[22:23] <Adam012> Have you tried any of the specialist antenna/satellite places?
[22:23] <mattbrejza> launch site?
[22:23] <chrisstubbs> perhaps that would be a better idea
[22:24] <chrisstubbs> looking for a cheap mount for the side wall of the house, i hoped B&Q would do somthing... but their mounts look even worse
[22:25] <mfa298> You might want a bit of pole so you can get the antenna above the top of the roof if possible
[22:25] <Adam012> We're launching in Walsall but the rough predictions we ran yesterday show that the winds will drive us off the South coast.
[22:25] <chrisstubbs> yeah im looking at a 3m pole/mast thing at screwfix too
[22:25] <mfa298> but you might not need to much to mount on as the antenna is probably lighter (or similar) to a TV antenna
[22:26] <chrisstubbs> *might* is what scares me haha, im tempted to pick 2 of those mounts up
[22:26] <mfa298> If you're doing a permantent install its worth getting some self almagamation tape
[22:26] <Adam012> Definitely use a pole, you'll only regret it if you dont.
[22:26] <chrisstubbs> that should be more than sturdy enough, they are only a fiver at the end of the day!
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[22:27] <mfa298> and get good coax to get the signal inside
[22:28] <chrisstubbs> i have 7m of RG213 laying around, good quality stuff. I hope that would be enough!
[22:29] <mfa298> that's the sort of thing I'd have suggested if you wanted a sensible option.
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[22:30] <mfa298> if it's only going to be a few metres then you shouldn't have any issue.
[22:30] <chrisstubbs> :)
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[22:31] <mfa298> its when you start wanting to use 20m of rg58 it's not so good.
[22:31] <chrisstubbs> I could use the chimney but its getting a bit crowded up there with the TV antenna and sky dish...
[22:32] <KT5TK_QRL> What's more important? TV or hamradio?
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> btw
[22:32] <Lunar_Lander> does anybody of you go to Lake Constance to the Ham Radio 2013 fair?
[22:32] <Upu> yes Lunar I'll carry the MAX7 when they apear
[22:32] <Upu> appear
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> cool
[22:33] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-army.jpg :P
[22:33] <Upu> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1085541682/bladerf-usb-30-software-defined-radio <- Jarod
[22:33] <Upu> 28Mhz in one go
[22:35] <mattbrejza> actually is double that because you have a complex baseband
[22:36] <jarod> Upu cool :D
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[22:37] <fsphil> Tim's short talk is not
[22:38] <mfa298> but he's a fan of IRC :)
[22:38] <fsphil> yep!
[22:38] <fsphil> I also think he really needs to pee
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[22:44] <Lunar_Lander> lol why?
[22:47] <arko> Hmmm pa
[22:47] <arko> Im partial to that blade rf
[22:47] <arko> I have my name on a free Hack RF
[22:48] <arko> But im not sure which would be better developed.. 400 bucks is not bad though
[22:48] <arko> I want my own cellphone network :P
[22:48] <arko> I wish
[22:50] <Lunar_Lander> cool arduino Due has a 12 bit ADC
[22:50] <mfa298> looks like there's a decent number of people interested in the bladerf based on how the number of pledges is going up.
[22:50] <arko> My hope is that there are a lot of devs
[22:51] <eroomde> more important tnhan the hardware really
[22:51] <mfa298> hmmm, I don't like this stream, I keep having to restart it :(
[22:51] <arko> A lot of the time these things come out and they havent done anything useful software end
[22:51] <eroomde> anyone can put an ADC and an FPGA on a pcb
[22:51] <eroomde> including me
[22:51] <arko> Yep
[22:51] <arko> Me to haha
[22:51] <arko> Too
[22:51] <arko> Its a matter of people making great tools and api
[22:51] <mfa298> it sounds like they're keen for people to use the platform for various projects but that's one to see what happens.
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[22:52] <arko> They dont show a software demo which makes me worry
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[22:52] <Lunar_Lander> this one's interesting http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardEsplora
[22:52] <arko> Reason why arduino has been so successful
[22:53] <eroomde> totally and without doubt
[22:53] <arko> Easy software that is extendable to atmel studio for hardcore coders0
[22:53] <eroomde> the hardware is of no interest really. it's just an atmega breakout
[22:53] <eroomde> like a million before it
[22:53] <arko> Hah yep
[22:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[22:53] <arko> Eroomde hows the train?
[22:54] <eroomde> arko: good!
[22:54] <Adam012> How accurate have the software radios been?
[22:54] <arko> Not tired from it?
[22:54] <eroomde> completely amazing views along the colorado river through the gorge
[22:54] <eroomde> breathtaking
[22:54] <arko> Damn that sounds cool
[22:54] <eroomde> we're now at glen-something-or-other
[22:54] <eroomde> not tired at all
[22:54] <Adam012> eroomode: Does it have different levels?
[22:54] <eroomde> it's very restful
[22:54] <eroomde> Adam012: 2
[22:54] <arko> And a roof pool
[22:55] <arko> :p
[22:55] <eroomde> glenwood springs
[22:55] <eroomde> having tyhe rockies up vertical and snowy either side of the train is quite something to snake through
[22:55] <Adam012> Similar to the TVR trains that run through Switzerland. They were great. Can you stretch your legs much?
[22:55] <eroomde> 1hr 40 mins to grand junction colorado
[22:55] <eroomde> then we're out of the rockies and getting into the high sierra
[22:56] <eroomde> Adam012: yes
[22:56] <eroomde> i have a private room with seats and a table and a bed
[22:56] <arko> Wow
[22:56] <eroomde> there's an observation cart with huge windows going up into the ceiling
[22:56] <eroomde> a lounge cart]
[22:56] <arko> Streetviewed it
[22:56] <eroomde> and a restaurant cart where i've met lots of interesting people
[22:56] <eroomde> so you can walk around to your hearts content really
[22:56] <eroomde> it's a long train
[22:57] <eroomde> we're moving again so i might drop out of phone reception at some point
[22:57] <arko> Oregon Trail IRL Edition
[22:57] <Lunar_Lander> are the prices in the restaurant reasonable?
[22:57] <eroomde> included with the room for me
[22:57] <arko> You must starve
[22:57] <arko> Muhaha
[22:57] <arko> No ATm
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[22:58] <eroomde> they take plastic
[22:58] <arko> :P
[22:58] <eroomde> but as i say, all meals included in the room rate
[22:58] <arko> I kid
[22:58] <eroomde> coachers have to pay
[22:58] <eroomde> poor buggers
[22:58] <arko> Hehe
[22:58] <arko> What does that even cost if you dont mind me asking?
[22:58] <eroomde> about $400 total ticket price
[22:58] <arko> Damn
[22:59] <arko> Not bad at all
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> is this Amtrak?
[22:59] <eroomde> indeed. when you consider 3 days in a hotel + meals + it's transporting you 2000 miles
[22:59] <eroomde> yes Lunar_Lander
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> ah
[22:59] <Lunar_Lander> like my classmates when they were on a rowing exchange with the school in california, they said Amtrak is rather slow
[22:59] <eroomde> it's not in any big hurry
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[23:00] <eroomde> but neither am I
[23:00] <Randomskk> sounds like a really good holiday
[23:00] <fsphil> it does sounds lots better than flying
[23:00] <Randomskk> trains are so great
[23:00] <eroomde> it ids lots better yes
[23:00] <Lunar_Lander> xD I just got an idea
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> like the pioneers in the wild west movies
[23:01] <eroomde> restaurant carts are maybe the high point of human civilsation
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> where one guy stands up
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> gentlemen
[23:01] <Randomskk> eroomde: haha
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> I would suggest
[23:01] <eroomde> having a steak and a glass of red with mountains on either side snaking by
[23:01] <Randomskk> there are restaurant cars you have not seen
[23:01] <Lunar_Lander> that we make the first Transatlantic Railway!
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[23:01] <fsphil> good luck with that
[23:01] <Randomskk> try six days into a seven day train ride on the trans siberian
[23:01] <eroomde> Randomskk: good or bad?
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> there could be route
[23:02] <Randomskk> it had its moments
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> you first go to Iceland
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> then to Greenland
[23:02] <Lunar_Lander> and from there is only a short jump to Canada
[23:02] <arko> Ew no
[23:02] <arko> Screw snow
[23:02] <Randomskk> it was in many ways good, but definitely not in the "steak and a glass of wine" nor "high point of human civilisation" ways
[23:02] <eroomde> lol
[23:02] <eroomde> ok
[23:02] <fsphil> snow.is.awsome
[23:02] <arko> Im spoiled with not having to deal with it
[23:02] <arko> I like it
[23:02] <eroomde> right signal v likely to drop away soon
[23:02] <Randomskk> if you liked days old smoke, immobile russian men, dodgy vodka and mystery stew otoh
[23:02] <eroomde> there is plenty of snow here arko
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[23:03] <arko> I just dont want to deal with snow everyday is all
[23:03] <Lunar_Lander> HDTV: https://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/6468508_700b.jpg
[23:03] <arko> Canada and all
[23:03] <Randomskk> eroomde: enjoy your trip!
[23:03] <fsphil> that is fair
[23:03] <eroomde> Randomskk: thanks!
[23:03] <eroomde> willdo!
[23:03] <eroomde> california in about 27 hrs i think
[23:04] <arko> Woot!
[23:04] <eroomde> guess we're half way
[23:04] <arko> Welcome in 27hrs
[23:04] <eroomde> ta
[23:05] <Adam012> Enjoy the rest of your trip eroomde. Good night all!
[23:10] <arko> Ugg this fpga class is soooo boring
[23:10] <arko> The only entertainment is watching everyone get confused by this professors poor teaching skills
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[23:10] <mfa298> that's an awesome question.
[23:10] <fsphil> lol
[23:10] <fsphil> blinkin' eck
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[23:11] <fsphil> good talk
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[23:11] <mfa298> I had to keep restarting so missed bits :(
[23:11] <fsphil> yea here too
[23:11] <Lunar_Lander> Ok
[23:12] <fsphil> better than nothing
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> my transatlantic railway would have a length of at least 4189 km
[23:12] <Lunar_Lander> from Bergen in Norway to St. Johns in Newfoundland
[23:12] <fsphil> now's your chance Darkside, streaking the stage!
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> the big problem is
[23:13] <Lunar_Lander> no one is living on the southern tip of greenland
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[23:17] <AdamDynamic> Hi, I've just found the UKHAS website, it says to 'get in touch' about launching a balloon from their sites but doesn't supply an email address, does anyone know the best way to get in touch with someone? (Or is this is? :) Any help would be appreciated! Adam
[23:19] <fsphil> I believe you'd need to speak with jonsowman if he's about
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[23:19] <jonsowman> hello there
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[23:19] <fsphil> it's CUSF rather than UKHAS
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[23:20] <jonsowman> AdamDynamic: where are you based?
[23:20] <jonsowman> and what are you wanting to launch?
[23:20] <AdamDynamic> I'm based in the UK (London)
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[23:20] <jonsowman> cool ok, so CUSF are based in Cambridge and have a permanent launch site which you are welcome to use
[23:21] <jonsowman> www.cusf.co.uk
[23:21] <AdamDynamic> That would be perfect! It would be my first launch so any assistance I can get is going to be welcome.
[23:22] <jonsowman> there will be some CUSF people around to help, and we've got quite a lot of collective experience launching balloons!
[23:22] <jonsowman> around 100 launches from our site in total at the last tally I think
[23:23] <AdamDynamic> Are launches done on an 'ad-hoc' basis or do you do them in groups?
[23:23] <jonsowman> entirely ad-hoc, we can discuss a suitable date
[23:23] <jonsowman> what stage are you at in your project?
[23:24] <AdamDynamic> The 'research' phase is probably the best way to describe it. I'm scouring the internet for 'how-tos' and blogs of other people who have done it to try and figure out the best approach
[23:24] <jonsowman> OK well www.ukhas.org.uk is the best place to start
[23:24] <AdamDynamic> Came across the UKHAS site, that and the link you've just given me both look enormously helpful.
[23:25] <jonsowman> particularly the beginners' guide
[23:25] <jonsowman> and this IRC channel full of wonderful helpful people
[23:25] <AdamDynamic> I haven't used IRC in years, feel like I should dust off my dial-up modem ;)
[23:25] <fsphil> hehe
[23:26] <jonsowman> it is rather archaic
[23:26] <arko> But fun :)
[23:26] <fsphil> yea I had a huge gap in my IRC use too. lots of use in the 90s
[23:26] <jonsowman> but works nicely all the same
[23:26] <fsphil> then nothing until 2010 :)
[23:26] <AdamDynamic> Seems to do the trick.
[23:26] <Randomskk> so is email, but I don't see many people complaining there ::P
[23:26] <jonsowman> nobody is complainign
[23:26] <jonsowman> :D
[23:26] <Randomskk> we r gud @ typign
[23:26] <jonsowman> stupid internet
[23:26] <jonsowman> can you update the graph svp?
[23:26] <Randomskk> yea k
[23:27] <jonsowman> ta
[23:27] <fsphil> don't insult the internet! the cats don't like it
[23:27] <AdamDynamic> Ok,I'm going to go and do some reading. Thanks again for the help guys, I'm sure I'll be back!
[23:27] <arko> Worship of cats is so 3000bc egypt
[23:27] <fsphil> cya AdamDynamic, nice to meet you
[23:27] <jonsowman> AdamDynamic: email CUSF at the email address on the website for more info on the launch site
[23:27] <arko> Bye Adam!
[23:27] <Randomskk> jonsowman: done
[23:27] <jonsowman> thanks Randomskk
[23:28] <Randomskk> AdamDynamic: once you have a vague idea of when you want to launch and maybe have something starting to look like a working payload
[23:28] <Randomskk> drop us an email to sort out dates
[23:28] <jonsowman> the y axis is terrible
[23:28] <fsphil> nobody told the cats arko
[23:28] <Randomskk> if you're quick enough jonsowman and I might even still be around
[23:28] <jonsowman> :)
[23:28] <arko> Fsphil :P
[23:28] <AdamDynamic> Will do. Thanks again!
[23:28] <jonsowman> good luck
[23:28] <Randomskk> jonsowman: there is definitely something of a pattern
[23:29] <Randomskk> AdamDynamic: and yea, do ask questions here
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[23:29] <jonsowman> Randomskk: yes I was thinking that
[23:29] <Randomskk> bwim "on-peak is terrible"
[23:29] <Randomskk> though varies a bit day by day
[23:29] <jonsowman> demonstrably crap
[23:29] <jonsowman> https://randomskk.net/u/dropouts.png
[23:29] <jonsowman> 100s
[23:29] <jonsowman> D:
[23:29] <Randomskk> so annoying
[23:30] <Randomskk> amazed that both processes have continuied running for days though
[23:30] <jonsowman> yeah that has worked very nicely
[23:31] <Randomskk> http://randomskk.net/u/latency_20120131.png
[23:31] <Randomskk> that isn't ideal
[23:31] <jonsowman> so pretty
[23:31] <Randomskk> it is rather
[23:31] <jonsowman> the blue spikes are at least not too common
[23:32] <jonsowman> dark blue that is
[23:32] <Randomskk> yea
[23:32] <Randomskk> but the regular "oh hey it's peak hours let's be totally shit" is
[23:32] <Randomskk> #highaltitude: on topic since 2005
[23:32] <jonsowman> :D
[23:32] <jonsowman> sorry everyone
[23:33] <Randomskk> sounds more sincere if you're op when you apologise >_>
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[23:38] <jonsowman> chanserv is not replying
[23:38] <jonsowman> :\
[23:38] <Randomskk> probably for the best
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[23:38] <jonsowman> well this is odd
[23:38] <jonsowman> yes
[23:38] <jonsowman> neither is nickserv
[23:38] <lz1dev> they dont like you?
[23:38] <jonsowman> apparently not
[23:38] <jonsowman> :(
[23:38] <lz1dev> me either i guess
[23:38] <lz1dev> time to move to quaknet
[23:39] #highaltitude: mode change '-o jonsowman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[23:42] <jonsowman> well that was fun
[23:42] <fsphil> you're O negative
[23:42] <jonsowman> :D
[23:53] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[23:56] <lz1dev> |D
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