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[03:39] <nigelvh> Evening anyone who's still up.
[03:39] <SpeedEvil> hey
[03:39] <nigelvh> Or got up early. Depending on how you look at it.
[03:39] <nigelvh> How's things where you are SpeedEvil?
[03:40] <SpeedEvil> rainy
[03:40] <nigelvh> Rainy here too in Seattle
[03:40] <nigelvh> But that's normal
[03:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Markinch/hour_by_hour.html
[03:42] <nigelvh> Mine has more rainy pictures than yours. http://www.yr.no/place/United_States/Washington/Seattle/hour_by_hour.html
[03:43] <nigelvh> (Apparently it's a competition now...)
[03:46] <nigelvh> Any reason you're up so late?
[03:46] <nigelvh> Or early..
[03:54] <SpeedEvil> my sleep cycle is somewhat disturbed/uh unusual
[03:55] <nigelvh> Happens occasionally I suppose.
[03:55] <SpeedEvil> I tend to wake up at 10am, nap at 6pm, wake up at 9pm, then finally go to sleep at 5
[03:55] <nigelvh> That's an interesting way to go about it.
[03:56] <SpeedEvil> that's a lot of rain
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[04:12] <nigelvh> Evening KT5TK_QRL
[04:13] <KT5TK_QRL> Hi Nigel
[04:13] <nigelvh> How's the evening treating you?
[04:13] <KT5TK_QRL> I've seen your questions
[04:13] <KT5TK_QRL> still at work
[04:13] <nigelvh> No problem with the questions. You're at work pretty late.
[04:14] <KT5TK_QRL> I've made a few measurements with- and without LPF with Andy's spectrum analyzer.
[04:15] <KT5TK_QRL> I just can't get to the pictures because I have them at home
[04:15] <nigelvh> No problem. Not in a particular rush. I know I need to redo mine. Just curious how yours were working since they're different.
[04:16] <KT5TK_QRL> essentially the 2nd and 3rd harmonics are below noise level
[04:16] <KT5TK_QRL> with LPF
[04:16] <KT5TK_QRL> the output at the desired freq is actually higher than without LPF
[04:17] <nigelvh> THAT is and odd result. I see my second harmonic at about -35db, but still far above the noise level.
[04:17] <KT5TK_QRL> With the Pecan Turbo I can just see them.
[04:17] <KT5TK_QRL> maybe - 60 dB below signal
[04:17] <nigelvh> -35 below the fundamental
[04:18] <nigelvh> Is this with the 6886 or the 7012?
[04:18] <KT5TK_QRL> The 3rd harmonic is significantly stronger than the 2nd (without LPF)
[04:18] <nigelvh> You've got a stub specifically for the 2nd, which makes sense.
[04:18] <KT5TK_QRL> 7012 with RF6886 amp
[04:19] <KT5TK_QRL> The last design for PecanPico2 has the best LPF atm
[04:20] <nigelvh> hmm. That stub must be doing a lot of work for you. I know my third is alright, but my second is 5db above the -40 of the fundamental for compliance.
[04:20] <KT5TK_QRL> But I still need to get the software working for it
[04:20] <KT5TK_QRL> so that I can even see the output
[04:20] <nigelvh> Is the SI4464 that much more difficult?
[04:20] <nigelvh> Or just haven't gotten to it?
[04:21] <KT5TK_QRL> Probably not, but I have to go through all the basics
[04:21] <nigelvh> Makes sense.
[04:21] <KT5TK_QRL> I'm still at trouble with simply the SPI communication
[04:22] <nigelvh> Really? Seemed like it was pretty close to spec to me.
[04:22] <nigelvh> I have seen some SPI components be rather picky about speed. In those cases slowing down SPI seems to help a lot.
[04:22] <KT5TK_QRL> probably yes, but I'm not even sure if it wants MSB first or LSB first.
[04:22] <nigelvh> Ah, that would be important.
[04:23] <KT5TK_QRL> Since nothing works yet, I have to question everything
[04:23] <KT5TK_QRL> At least I have the power shutdown working now ;)
[04:24] <KT5TK_QRL> which didn't work before because of a tiny solder bridge
[04:24] <nigelvh> That would be frustrating.
[04:25] <nigelvh> I was also curious about those resistors you've got on Pecan Turbo.
[04:26] <KT5TK_QRL> Yeah well, I've been pushing the software stuff always to the back because I had other things to do
[04:26] <KT5TK_QRL> which resistors?
[04:26] <KT5TK_QRL> In the LPF?
[04:26] <nigelvh> The 390ohm resistors on the two +V lines
[04:27] <KT5TK_QRL> Ah, those are from the standard layout
[04:27] <nigelvh> I know those are shown in the datasheet as a way to reduce output power by using them to pull down the input voltage.
[04:27] <nigelvh> Just curious if you were actually using them for that.
[04:27] <KT5TK_QRL> They are voltage control lines, not supply lines
[04:27] <KT5TK_QRL> essentially the voltage is proportional to the amplification
[04:28] <KT5TK_QRL> The power pins are directly connected to 3.3V
[04:29] <nigelvh> There's the Vreg1 and Vreg2 lines that are for amp control, then there's the PWR REF and PWR SEN lines that I'm referencing.
[04:29] <KT5TK_QRL> Ah, those are for measuring the SWR
[04:30] <KT5TK_QRL> forward power and reflected power
[04:30] <nigelvh> Ah, I was totally reading that wrong.
[04:30] <nigelvh> Explains why you've got analog lines on them.
[04:31] <KT5TK_QRL> In the datasheet they use them to regulate the output power down in case the SWR is bad.
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[04:32] <KT5TK_QRL> I simply want to read them with the ADC of the atmega and maybe incorporate that into the telemtry
[04:32] <nigelvh> Yes, that's where I got mixed up. They're tying them to the Vref1/2 lines to pull down output power.
[04:33] <nigelvh> At least in paragraphs. The example circuit doesn't show that.
[04:34] <nigelvh> Though I don't see that PWR-REF is the reflected, rather the reference to base the PWR-SENse line off of.
[04:35] <nigelvh> So we get output power.
[04:36] <KT5TK_QRL> Possible. I didn't go deeper into that
[04:36] <nigelvh> "V_PWR_REF output pin yields a voltage proportional to DC component of total output stage drive current, while V_PWR_SENSE
[04:36] <nigelvh> output pin does likewise for DC + RF components. Subtraction between these voltages gives result proportional to RF current
[04:36] <nigelvh> only, and therefore output power as well"
[04:37] <nigelvh> None the less, a useful feature.
[04:38] <KT5TK_QRL> I've set up a new websdr server on 40 m yesterday
[04:38] <KT5TK_QRL> http://tkrahn.dyndns.org:8901/
[04:38] <KT5TK_QRL> more bandwidth
[04:39] <KT5TK_QRL> Also I use the same antenna to receive WSPR
[04:39] <nigelvh> Fancy
[04:40] <KT5TK_QRL> I still have my 20m softrock.
[04:41] <KT5TK_QRL> maybe I can do something with a rpi
[04:42] <nigelvh> I tried transmitting, but unfortunately conditions don't seem to be reaching you.
[04:42] <nigelvh> Still pretty cool though
[04:42] <KT5TK_QRL> try WSPR
[04:43] <nigelvh> It'll take me a moment to get the rig set up.
[04:44] <KT5TK_QRL> No worries. The websdr will be on for a while...
[04:45] <KT5TK_QRL> The WSPR rx too
[04:45] <KT5TK_QRL> Can you TX on 30m?
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[04:47] <nigelvh> Yeah
[04:48] <KT5TK_QRL> I have my WSPR rx on 30 m at the moment
[04:49] <nigelvh> Oh, ok, I'll switch to 30.
[04:50] <nigelvh> Alright. WSPR transmitting currently on 30m
[04:50] <KT5TK_QRL> cool. I'll observe wsprnet
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[04:54] <nigelvh> WSPRnet shows a local guy hearing me.
[04:56] <KT5TK_QRL> success! 16 km :)
[04:56] <nigelvh> Wooo!
[04:57] <KT5TK_QRL> let it run for a while.
[04:57] <nigelvh> Yeah. A while back a buddy of mine lived in california and we did a 24 hour wspr test to see what came of it.
[04:57] <nigelvh> Pretty interesting.
[04:57] <KT5TK_QRL> You have 5 watts?
[04:57] <nigelvh> http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/?p=1394
[04:58] <nigelvh> Yes
[04:58] <nigelvh> That's the lowest my rig will go
[04:58] <KT5TK_QRL> Nice writeup
[04:59] <KT5TK_QRL> I'm actually working on a WSPR beacon
[04:59] <nigelvh> I think that would be really cool.
[04:59] <nigelvh> I'd love to just leave one running, but not have to have my big rig and a computer tied up doing it.
[05:00] <KT5TK_QRL> I have a DDS-60 here on my desk and I'm waiting for a mini ATMEGA
[05:01] <nigelvh> I'll eagerly await the results.
[05:04] <KT5TK_QRL> http://jkdevices.com/arduino-megamini
[05:04] <nigelvh> Fancy
[05:05] <nigelvh> I've got a few mega based boards around here. All the IO can be really handy
[05:05] <KT5TK_QRL> http://www.knology.net/~gmarcus/
[05:05] <KT5TK_QRL> has done the job of coding a wspr beacon
[05:06] <KT5TK_QRL> with all you can dream of
[05:07] <nigelvh> Fancy. Doesn't seem that you'd need the mega, though I haven't compiled the code to see how much program space/ram it needs.
[05:07] <KT5TK_QRL> The Uno version just doesn't have compound callsigns with 6 digit locator
[05:08] <nigelvh> Do you have an uno?
[05:08] <KT5TK_QRL> Yes, actually 2
[05:09] <KT5TK_QRL> original ones
[05:09] <KT5TK_QRL> and hundreds of compatible self made :)
[05:10] <nigelvh> I'm just curious if he compiled for the mega just because he already used his uno on the previous project or if it's a technical limitation.
[05:10] <KT5TK_QRL> I thought this was a nice little project to sniff into the 2560
[05:10] <nigelvh> They are nice chips
[05:11] <nigelvh> My megas are the older ones, the 1280s
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[05:18] <nigelvh> The stopwatch class he's using seems to be not working properly for me.
[05:18] <nigelvh> In any case, definitely looks interesting.
[05:20] <KT5TK_QRL> Are you also listening to this OJ0H/mm guy on my websdr?
[05:21] <heathkid> imagine a Field Day... but with HAB launches...
[05:21] <heathkid> anyone interested?
[05:21] <nigelvh> I had been listening to that guy, but now there's a guy just a bit above I'm listening to.
[05:21] <KT5TK_QRL> would be nice
[05:21] <heathkid> thousands of balloons in the air to track...
[05:22] <heathkid> KT5TK: are you in?
[05:22] <KT5TK_QRL> We have used a balloon on FD already
[05:22] <KT5TK_QRL> for a wire antenna though
[05:22] <KT5TK_QRL> depends on the date
[05:22] <heathkid> think of thousands of HAB launches on a single day
[05:22] <KT5TK_QRL> but yes generally
[05:22] <heathkid> yeah... the date will be key
[05:23] <KT5TK_QRL> why not right at fieldday
[05:23] <KT5TK_QRL> ?
[05:23] <heathkid> hmmm
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[05:23] <heathkid> that actually would be a really good time
[05:24] <KT5TK_QRL> make sure that balloon contacts count somehow
[05:24] <nigelvh> Perhaps talk to the ARRL and see if you can get them to count as satellite contacts.
[05:24] <heathkid> :) Nice nigelvh
[05:24] <heathkid> great idea!
[05:24] <KT5TK_QRL> Wasn't there some extra points for some public relationship projects?
[05:25] <KT5TK_QRL> At least that should count for it
[05:25] <heathkid> I would hope so
[05:25] <KT5TK_QRL> count as a "display" :)
[05:26] <nigelvh> KT5TK_QRL, I should figure out one of those WSPR beacons and a small wire loop antenna. In september I'll be in New Zealand.
[05:27] <KT5TK_QRL> I'm jealous !
[05:27] <KT5TK_QRL> I've been there 25 yrs ago
[05:27] <KT5TK_QRL> One of my favourite countries
[05:28] <nigelvh> Sarah and I are looking forward to it.
[05:28] <heathkid> okay... a thousands HABs in the air may be ambitious...
[05:28] <KT5TK_QRL> Right location to launch a buoy
[05:28] <heathkid> but a hundred or so at the same time would sure be fun!
[05:28] <nigelvh> Yes, but you'll quickly need an HF or satellite bouy
[05:29] <KT5TK_QRL> jus ake many small pico balloons
[05:29] <KT5TK_QRL> make
[05:29] <heathkid> that's the plan... a complete "kit"
[05:29] <heathkid> just add He
[05:29] <heathkid> still interested?
[05:30] <heathkid> tracking so many would be quite an undertaking...
[05:30] <KT5TK_QRL> I think aprs-is could cope with that
[05:30] <KT5TK_QRL> just look at all the cars that are around
[05:30] <heathkid> true
[05:30] <KT5TK_QRL> with APRS
[05:31] <heathkid> especially in "storm season"
[05:31] <heathkid> we'd just be doing a massive near Earth orbit "day"
[05:31] <heathkid> :)
[05:31] <KT5TK_QRL> It will only be difficult if all the balloons use WIDE1-3 paths
[05:31] <heathkid> FUN
[05:32] <heathkid> what should we use?
[05:32] <KT5TK_QRL> no path at all if possible
[05:32] <nigelvh> Yeah
[05:32] <nigelvh> <CALLSIGN> to APRS
[05:32] <KT5TK_QRL> with WIDE1-3 we'll flood everything :)
[05:32] <heathkid> we have a while to plan this...
[05:33] <heathkid> but let's plan on it
[05:33] <heathkid> it'll happen
[05:33] <heathkid> this year
[05:33] <heathkid> okay?
[05:33] <KT5TK_QRL> NP, I'll be ready for FD
[05:33] <heathkid> :)
[05:33] <heathkid> that's what I wanted to hear!
[05:34] <heathkid> it'll be a FD like NO OTHER
[05:34] <KT5TK_QRL> OJ0H/mm is quite loud on 7127.56 kHz now
[05:37] <nigelvh> Maybe a bouy with a hacked spot tracker.
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[05:39] <KT5TK_QRL> commercial satellite is no fun. use the wspr beacon
[05:39] <nigelvh> That requires a big antenna for a bouy.
[05:40] <heathkid> KT5TK_QRL: can you work with the ARRL to make contacting a HAB on FD an actual "contact"???
[05:40] <heathkid> please?
[05:40] <heathkid> I can't do everything....
[05:41] <KT5TK_QRL> If you build one of these you'll have enough space: http://digitalnigel.com/wordpress/?p=1394
[05:43] <nigelvh> Build a chart?
[05:43] <KT5TK_QRL> There is a lot of buoy discussion on the #sealevel chat recently
[05:44] <KT5TK_QRL> Sory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLAwcXt8_3I
[05:44] <KT5TK_QRL> sorry that was in my clipboard
[05:45] <nigelvh> Yeah, that might be hard to take on the plane...
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> Before we contact ARRL we should have a sound concept how the points will count and what the rules are.
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> Like a surf board ;)
[05:46] <heathkid> How do we go about that?
[05:46] <KT5TK_QRL> first look at how the points are generally counted at FD
[05:47] <heathkid> will you take charge of that?
[05:47] <heathkid> we're working on a cheap tracker kit
[05:48] <KT5TK_QRL> I personally try to not get involved in commercial projects. However I'll think about some fieldday concept.
[05:49] <heathkid> not commercial...
[05:49] <heathkid> it's all about HAB and FD
[05:50] <KT5TK_QRL> If you want to sell the kits, that's commercial. My US visa doesn't allow business in the US except for the QRL I'm working at.
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[06:00] <heathkid> if we break even... that'd be great. Not looking for any profit off this for FD... just a lot of HABs in the air...
[06:02] <heathkid> we can handle the "commercial" part... but please understand we're not wanting to make $ just get HABs involved in FD
[06:04] <KT5TK_QRL> That's fine for me if you do that. I just don't want to get formally involved with the kit sale.
[06:04] <heathkid> no problem
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[06:04] <heathkid> if you could handle the ARRL side of things and get it legit... that would be a great help
[06:05] <KT5TK_QRL> I'm not a VIP in this club, but I'll see what can be done.
[06:05] <heathkid> :) that's more than I could ask for...
[06:05] <heathkid> thanks
[06:06] <heathkid> I hate time zones... it's after 1 AM here... I have to get some sleep...
[06:06] <heathkid> goodnight everyone...
[06:07] <KT5TK_QRL> gn
[06:09] <KT5TK_QRL> 2013 ARRL Field Day is June 22-23
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[07:16] <griffonbot> Received email: James Coxon "Re: [UKHAS] ATMega 1.8v ISP Programming"
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[08:13] <nosebleedkt> Hi everybody
[08:13] <mattltm> Hi :)
[08:13] <nosebleedkt> well greek-australian guys are nerds
[08:14] <nosebleedkt> Some guy from facebook asked for my phone so to call me and give interview for the australian TV he works on
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[08:14] <nosebleedkt> I said ok
[08:14] <nosebleedkt> then he told me that he will post the interview on SBS
[08:14] <mattltm> Did he call?
[08:14] <nosebleedkt> I said to him, let me see what is SBS
[08:15] <nosebleedkt> and he replies
[08:15] <nosebleedkt> "Ok, Leave it, Bye"
[08:15] <mattltm> lol
[08:15] <UpuWork> what is SBS ?
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[08:15] <nosebleedkt> some TV website
[08:15] <nosebleedkt> sbs.com
[08:15] <UpuWork> ok
[08:16] <nosebleedkt> until I open google and search for SBS
[08:16] <nosebleedkt> he replied that
[08:18] <nosebleedkt> damn you greek-australian guy!
[08:20] <fsphil> SBS is a TV channel in aus
[08:20] <fsphil> they show all sorts of stuff
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[08:20] <nosebleedkt> fsphil, "Ok, Leave it, Bye"
[08:21] <fsphil> they have lots of shows in different languages
[08:21] <nosebleedkt> :P
[08:23] <fsphil> also myth busters
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[11:38] <cuddykid> hiya UpuWork - received them :) they're fantastic! Thanks for the awesome job
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[11:48] <UpuWork> nps cuddykid
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[13:19] <lz1dev> cuddykid: did you see my latest changes
[13:19] <cuddykid> lz1dev: no, is it live now?
[13:19] <lz1dev> yes
[13:20] <cuddykid> nice, looks good
[13:20] <lz1dev> should'be able to run it offline
[13:20] <lz1dev> once you load it once
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[14:27] <mattltm> Is anyone from Project Sharp in here?
[14:28] <prawnsalad> Project Sharp?
[14:29] <x-f> .net-based project
[14:29] <prawnsalad> oh
[14:29] <x-f> the one with the funny cutdown test
[14:29] <prawnsalad> I work in a building called the Sharp Project.. confusing
[14:30] <mattbrejza> sharp was a uni project that finished last year
[14:30] <mattltm> That makes me sad :(
[14:31] <mattltm> mattbrejza: Know anyone that was involved?
[14:31] <mattbrejza> something similar is running this year
[14:31] <mattbrejza> not really
[14:31] <mattltm> Ok, ta :)
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[14:51] <mfa298> mattltm: there's project blast this year but I think thats more cubesat based
[14:54] <mattltm> Thanks. Just looking for a contact at the uni. Not HAB related.
[14:55] <jonsowman> I should be at soton next year if all goes to plan :D
[14:55] <craag> jonsowman: How come?
[14:55] <jonsowman> craag: doctorate
[14:55] <craag> Ah nice, which group?
[14:56] <mfa298> mattltm: there's a few soton people around in here depending on what your after.
[14:56] <jonsowman> engineering
[14:56] Action: craag is a soton undergrad.
[14:56] <jonsowman> :) am also an undergrad at the moment
[14:56] <jonsowman> until june... I hope
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[14:57] <craag> Good luck! I should still be here on fourth year.
[14:57] <jonsowman> :) thanks
[14:57] <jonsowman> how you finding it?
[14:59] <craag> It's really good, I'd like to stay for a postgrad but not quite achieving the grades at the moment.
[14:59] <jonsowman> there's still time :D
[15:00] <mattbrejza> if you do a good enough project then you might get offered one from that research group
[15:00] <jonsowman> hello there Mr. Speaks from Experience
[15:00] <craag> There is still time, and far more interesting modules now.
[15:00] <mattbrejza> or so i hear..
[15:01] <craag> And yes, working hard on the project!
[15:01] <mattbrejza> most of the marks in the 3rd/4th year anyway
[15:01] <mattbrejza> havnt even got your first lot of yr3 results yet
[15:02] <craag> nope, not sure they were too great, but I'll wait and see.
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[16:01] <arko> Good morning
[16:02] <fsphil> a fair assessment
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[16:08] <mfa298> An accurate statement apart from it being past noon, grey, wet and windy (so what you'de expect in the UK)
[16:13] <craag> mfa298: At least it's warmer today!
[16:13] <mfa298> true
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[17:05] <W0OTM> Howdy
[17:06] <W0OTM> What is the Time Delta on habhub?
[17:06] <Randomskk> just the time window it downloads wind data for
[17:06] <Randomskk> i.e. your flight should last for less time than the delta
[17:06] <Randomskk> so if you think you will have a very long flight (e.g. slow ascent rate) you should set a high delta
[17:07] <Randomskk> same as the lat/lng delta: if you think you will go very far (e.g. a float) you should set a high lat/lng delta
[17:07] <Randomskk> both deltas just control how much data is loaded before the prediction is run
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[17:11] <W0OTM> gotcha
[17:11] <W0OTM> thanks
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[18:13] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[18:28] <W0OTM> OZ1SKY_Brian: howdy
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[18:43] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[18:43] <Laurenceb> meanwhile at google
[18:43] <Laurenceb> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Us_AOhvKrKo/UQfqJgSfYBI/AAAAAAAAAZk/pWOmnZBcPes/s800/20130129_162509.jpg
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[18:45] <domlin> evening all
[18:45] <fsphil> howdy hi
[18:45] <domlin> having a nice pun-free day?
[18:46] <lz1dev> is that a server rack on wheels?
[18:46] <Laurenceb> yes
[18:47] <fsphil> mostly domlin
[18:47] <fsphil> although the bbc did a really bad one earlier
[18:47] <domlin> oh god
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[18:47] <domlin> what was it
[18:48] <fsphil> it was about taxing sugary drinks. the debate was fizzing up
[18:48] <domlin> silly bbc
[18:49] <fsphil> they should have consulted us first
[18:49] <domlin> they should have done
[18:50] <domlin> could have put a cork in the matter
[18:55] <nigelvh> Now they've shaken up controversy
[18:55] <domlin> this debate could pop into life
[18:56] <nigelvh> Will these newscasters ever quench their thirst?
[18:57] <fsphil> I find all this hard to swallow
[18:58] <domlin> this chat is carbonated
[18:59] <x-f> that's a sweet topic
[19:00] <daveake> Is this going to go on all evening from 7 up?
[19:05] <nigelvh> You know you're the first one who spilled your drink daveake.
[19:06] <domlin> hahaha
[19:09] <fsphil> we need to put this topic on ice
[19:09] <daveake> that would be the last straw
[19:11] <nigelvh> I think everyone should grab a cold one while we concentrate on our bubbly personalities.
[19:11] <fsphil> I'll drink to that
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[19:14] <nigelvh> Just be glad this isn't a geology pun discussion because there's ALL SORTS of great material there. Like subduction zones and thrust faults.
[19:15] <nigelvh> http://xkcd.com/1082/
[19:15] <fsphil> aaah, there's an xkcd for every occasion. er, except this one
[19:16] <nigelvh> Also, I studied some geology in college, so there's that.
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[19:18] <BrainDamage> nigelvh: http://imgur.com/r/geologygonewild mildly nsfw
[19:18] <nigelvh> Exactly
[19:19] <x-f> rule #34
[19:19] <nigelvh> Yes, but geology was around before the internet.
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[20:00] <chrisstubbs> I have been attempting to set up the hourly predictor, all seems to have been going well.. however....
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[20:02] <chrisstubbs> in httpd.conf i have set "DocumentRoot "/opt/cuse-landing-prediction/web"" Is that correct?
[20:02] <chrisstubbs> *cusf typo
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[20:05] <x-f> looks right
[20:05] <x-f> there's a few places in the code with hardcoded paths
[20:05] <chrisstubbs> when i go to localhost it just loads the apache2 test page
[20:06] <fsphil> have you restarted the server?
[20:06] <chrisstubbs> yeah :(
[20:06] <x-f> hmm
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[20:07] <x-f> is that the only entry in your httpd.conf?
[20:07] <chrisstubbs> its the the defualt one i edited, if i upload it to pastebin could you take a look please?
[20:08] <x-f> sure
[20:08] <costyn> evening all
[20:08] <x-f> evening, costyn
[20:08] <costyn> who else uses XPS for their payload enclosure? I have some questions
[20:09] <daveake> I do
[20:09] <costyn> how do I attach various bits to the foam? like battery enclosure for example?
[20:09] <costyn> the por glue?
[20:09] <chrisstubbs> x-f http://pastebin.com/hL4QRR5Q Thank you!
[20:09] <daveake> hot melt
[20:09] <costyn> aha
[20:09] <daveake> or Por if you have more patience :)
[20:10] <costyn> how long does the por usually take to dry?
[20:10] <daveake> Whatever it says on the tube :)
[20:10] <daveake> You put a layer on each side, leave for 10 mins, then push together
[20:10] <costyn> ok
[20:11] <nigelvh> christubbs, your <Directory tag isn't matched with your document root.
[20:11] <costyn> the tube is in the shed in the garden, and it's raining :)
[20:11] <costyn> just doing some planning now :)
[20:11] <costyn> daveake: thanks for the tips
[20:11] <daveake> np
[20:12] <nigelvh> Sorry, chrisstubbs, typed the nick wrong.
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[20:13] <Lunar_Lander> hi chrisstubbs and nigelvh
[20:13] <fsphil> Choppy Horse would be a cool name for a native american ninja
[20:13] <nigelvh> fsphil, heck yes.
[20:13] <nigelvh> Also afternoon lunar
[20:14] <chrisstubbs> Just changed that and restarted, but it still goes to the apache test page :/
[20:14] <nigelvh> Then you either didn't change it successfully or you didn't restart successfully.
[20:17] <chrisstubbs> http://pastebin.com/q4vmqZ9G line 318 Does that look about right?
[20:18] <nigelvh> Yep
[20:18] <nigelvh> Assuming thats where the html files are.
[20:19] <chrisstubbs> might be worth checking haha, i will restart it again just to be sure
[20:20] <nigelvh> How are you restarting it?
[20:20] <chrisstubbs> su
[20:20] <chrisstubbs> service apache restart
[20:21] <nigelvh> and what do the apache logs say? (assuming it's still showing the test page)
[20:21] <nigelvh> Also make sure your browser cache gets cleared out.
[20:22] <chrisstubbs> will give all these things a go! thanks
[20:23] <domlin> eben restarting apache?!
[20:25] <chrisstubbs> restarted the server again and cleared the cache with no luck. will check the apache log now
[20:25] <nigelvh> Yeah, there's not a whole lot to apache
[20:25] <nigelvh> At least for the basics.
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[20:27] <chrisstubbs> Am i looking for access_log or error_log?
[20:27] <nigelvh> Either
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[20:29] <chrisstubbs_cent> Well this looks like a problem!: [Tue Jan 29 02:04:03 2013] [error] [client 192.168.1.72] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /opt/cusf-landing-prediction/web/
[20:31] <x-f> open http://localhost/web/hourly-predictions/
[20:31] <chrisstubbs_cent> 404 :(
[20:31] <x-f> what's in the web folder then?
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[20:32] <chrisstubbs_cent> http://localhost/hourly-predictions/ WORKS! :D
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[20:32] <x-f> ah, my bad
[20:32] <chrisstubbs_cent> spotted web/web/ in the log
[20:32] <chrisstubbs_cent> Thanks!
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[20:33] <x-f> great
[20:34] <chrisstubbs_cent> just need to set up the cron job
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[20:55] <mfa298> chrisstubbs_cent: next challenge is to provide better documentation than what's already out there. especially if you've done it on something different to what others have used.
[20:55] <chrisstubbs_cent> it wasnt quite as bad as i thought!
[20:56] <mfa298> From what I recall, once you've found the right python modules it's not too bad
[20:56] <chrisstubbs> i followed http://hab.yapd.net/setup.html to the letter and it worked out just fine with minor hickups
[20:57] <chrisstubbs> fresh install of centos on vmware
[20:57] <mfa298> let me know if there's any useful tips to add to that as it was pretty much my notes of installing it on centos
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> just that you had to go to localhost/hourly-predictions instead of just localhost was the main problem
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> and OH... http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/fedora/epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-7.noarch.rpm no longer exists so i had to google around for another mirror
[20:58] <chrisstubbs> first command haha
[20:58] <mfa298> lol
[20:59] <chrisstubbs> i think i got v6.8 in the end but it works none the less
[20:59] <mfa298> always the way - I should probably look for the proper url to reference.
[21:00] <chrisstubbs> im sure that would be useful to others
[21:00] <chrisstubbs> depending on how big my set up vmware image is i could stick that online
[21:01] <chrisstubbs> 3.95gb :(
[21:01] <mfa298> looking at whats in df mines less that that, and could probably be smaller.
[21:01] <chrisstubbs> last question.... does this set up the cron job to run automaticaly:
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> echo "0 */3 * * * root cd /opt/cusf-landing-prediction && ./scripts/fetch-run-cronjob.sh" > /etc/cron.d/hab
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> or do i need to do anything else?
[21:02] <mfa298> that should do it.
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> perfect :)
[21:02] <chrisstubbs> for a text file of terminal commands that was actually better than some installation manuals!
[21:03] <mfa298> the files in /etc/cron.d get looked at in a similar way to the users crontab. it's just easier to use that in a copy/paste setup.
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> ok cheers
[21:03] <chrisstubbs> and that runs 3 times a day? or every 3 hours?
[21:03] <mfa298> I think that's every three hours. although it probably doesn't need to be that often as the gfs data doesn't get updated that much
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[21:04] <mfa298> I think that was written with the aim to stick it into media wiki at some point.
[21:05] <chrisstubbs> now i know how its done (just about) i could throw together a vid tut at some point of the setup?
[21:06] <mfa298> I probably ought to document the apache a bit more - my config has a bit more in it to give the nicer urls for the two predictors
[21:07] <mfa298> from what I remember the standalone predictor was more painful to setup (the second bit of the notes)
[21:08] <mfa298> but there's less reason to install that one as the habitat one works just as well.
[21:09] <chrisstubbs> worked just fine for me! blindly copying and pasting
[21:09] <domlin> chrisstubbs: write an installer?
[21:10] <mfa298> I think the biggest issue on the second one is that there are a lot of hard coded paths in the code
[21:14] <craag> My fork has a lot of the hardcoded paths removed, but is not fully up to date on the latest time-delta features.
[21:14] <Randomskk> the whole thing - standalone, hourly, etc - is being majorly worked on soon
[21:15] <Randomskk> making it much easier to install and deploy is going to be a thing
[21:15] <Randomskk> along with better predictions
[21:15] <mfa298> does that mean it can control the weather ?
[21:15] <craag> :D
[21:16] <Randomskk> that's definitely a secret. wait and see.
[21:16] <chrisstubbs> "Book a launch date" coming soon...
[21:18] Action: mfa298 is now expecting a speacial "?godmode=1" option
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[21:30] <griffonbot> Received email: Brian Hougesen "[UKHAS] Skals01 / SKYHAB"
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[21:32] <griffonbot> @AnthonyStirk: Skals01 - SKYHAB Balloon: http://t.co/U1CxdGJ6 #ukhas [http://twitter.com/AnthonyStirk/status/296370204383006720]
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[21:33] <griffonbot> Received email: "Re: [UKHAS] Skals01 / SKYHAB"
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[21:35] <griffonbot> Received email: Brian Hougesen "Re: [UKHAS] Skals01 / SKYHAB"
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[21:53] <chrisstubbs2> where exactly does the weather data for the predictor come from?
[21:53] Nick change: chrisstubbs2 -> chrisstubbs
[21:53] <Darkside> noaa
[21:53] <chrisstubbs> ah ok
[21:53] <chrisstubbs> is this data gathered by them launching weather balloons by any chance? haha
[21:54] <lz1dev> weather models
[21:56] <eroomde> chrisstubbs: partly yes!
[21:56] <eroomde> they have thousands of data sources
[21:56] <eroomde> radar, satts, weather stations, lasers, and multiple balloon launches each day from hundreds or thousands of sites around the world
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[21:57] <chrisstubbs> i presumed it would have been from the met office for the UK data
[21:57] <eroomde> that list is v far from exhaustive. there's all sorts of sources in addition. like sea temps and so on
[21:57] <eroomde> nope, whole world
[21:57] <chrisstubbs> impressive!
[21:58] <eroomde> the long term uk/european data is apparently a bit better infact
[21:58] <eroomde> it has consistently in the last few years for example predicted the hurricane paths 5 days ahead with better accuracy than the US model
[21:58] <eroomde> but the us model is there and free to use
[21:59] <chrisstubbs> yeah makes life easier on the programming side of things too i guess
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[22:32] <arko> Woot. Got a spacex poster
[22:33] <arko> Sup eroomde
[22:39] <eroomde> yo arko
[22:39] <eroomde> tethering so much more solid than motel wifi
[22:39] <eroomde> this sim has given me wingsa
[22:39] <arko> Hah, good idea
[22:39] <eroomde> shit weather atm, thundering
[22:40] <arko> Ny?
[22:40] <eroomde> chicago
[22:40] <eroomde> in my room for a bit, working up to wondering out to do something this eve. not sure what yet
[22:40] <eroomde> good news from tom huh?
[22:40] <arko> Yeah!
[22:41] <arko> I jumped like 3meters
[22:41] <eroomde> :)
[22:41] <arko> So excited
[22:41] <eroomde> i am really really looking forward to getting there
[22:41] <eroomde> so much i want to see and do
[22:41] <arko> 5 quid says ill be too shy to ask good questions
[22:41] <eroomde> cal in general, aswell as specific space things
[22:41] <eroomde> he's seriously the most disarming guy i've ever met
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[22:41] <eroomde> i knew 'of' him when i met him but didn't realise who he was
[22:42] <arko> Too bad we did say that we should meet at a bar
[22:42] <eroomde> so my colleague at the aiaa conf was like 'oh ed, you should meet tom he's from jpl'
[22:42] <eroomde> 'oh hi tom'
[22:42] <eroomde> 'hi ed'
[22:42] <arko> Lol
[22:42] <eroomde> whatever
[22:42] <eroomde> and then i found out
[22:42] <eroomde> this is TOM
[22:42] <arko> Haha
[22:42] <arko> Found out Scott Maxwell is leaving jpl :(
[22:43] <arko> Supernnice guy
[22:43] <eroomde> and then he came and said 'that was awesome!' after our talk on super-cheap high alt parachute testing and i found out who he was and went into super star-struck mode
[22:43] <eroomde> oh that sucks
[22:43] <arko> Hahaha
[22:43] <eroomde> well, i guess there's not much left for him to do really
[22:43] <eroomde> unless they do like a titan rover
[22:43] <arko> Thats awesome
[22:43] <arko> Yeah, or they can give me hisnjob
[22:43] <arko> No biggy
[22:44] <eroomde> lol
[22:44] <eroomde> drive a small rc car into the interview
[22:44] <eroomde> 'look! i can do it!'
[22:44] <arko> Haha
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[22:44] <arko> Reminds me of my first interview at jpl
[22:44] <arko> I brought two robots
[22:45] <arko> They gave me the offer during the interview
[22:45] <arko> Sccccooree
[22:45] <arko> :)
[22:45] <arko> I need to build a tooth replica one day
[22:45] <eroomde> lol
[22:45] <eroomde> yeah tooth would be cool
[22:45] <eroomde> oh
[22:45] <eroomde> i had breakfast at xoco this morning
[22:46] <eroomde> they do hot chocolate fresh from coca beans
[22:46] <eroomde> and the best churros i've ever had
[22:46] <eroomde> together i was in a sugar nirvana
[22:46] <eroomde> but like, adulty sugar
[22:46] <arko> Get in to la by 6 or so so we can hit the pub
[22:46] <eroomde> willdo
[22:46] <arko> Xoco?
[22:46] <eroomde> it's a mexican place of repute in foodie blogs
[22:46] <eroomde> i NEVER turn down a pub offer
[22:46] <arko> Im sold
[22:46] <eroomde> so grand, should be there by then
[22:47] <eroomde> especially cos i'm flying in my own private plane, y'know
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[22:47] <eroomde> tonight i'm trying an apprently good place for a chicago deep-dish pizza
[22:47] <eroomde> must experience one before i go
[22:47] <arko> Damn you and your friends fancy flying car
[22:47] <arko> Oh yeah, ive heard
[22:47] <eroomde> basically my holidays consist of walking, museums and food
[22:48] <arko> Sounds like a good holiday to me
[22:48] <eroomde> loving it
[22:48] <eroomde> but for the blip of stomach virus
[22:48] <arko> Oh yeah, i heard thats going around
[22:49] <eroomde> yeah
[22:49] <eroomde> wasn't much fun
[22:49] <eroomde> looking forward to my upgraded train tho!
[22:50] <eroomde> a seat in coach was so so uncomfortable (with the bug admittedly) i upgraded the zephy journey ticket to a 'superliner roomette'
[22:50] <arko> Damn
[22:50] <eroomde> which is a private little room with 2 seatsnand a pulldown bunk
[22:50] <arko> Wow, how long is the ride?
[22:50] <eroomde> all the people i met in the restaurant cart who had rooms seemed much fresher and happier
[22:50] <eroomde> 3 days
[22:50] <eroomde> 2 nightsd
[22:50] <arko> Dang
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[22:50] <eroomde> leaving tomorrow, sf friday eve
[22:50] <arko> That would be awesome
[22:50] <arko> Nice
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[22:51] <eroomde> apparently it's gloriously stunning, from a view POV
[22:51] <arko> I started taking the metro lines here recently, i like this train stuff
[22:51] <eroomde> through the great plaines and the snowy rockies and so on
[22:51] <arko> The rockies
[22:51] <arko> Yeah
[22:51] <eroomde> and meeting people is fun
[22:51] <arko> We have the most track i think
[22:51] <eroomde> all sorts
[22:51] <eroomde> had some great meal convos in the cart. the tables are all for 4 and they put all the individuals with 3 other randoms on a table
[22:52] <eroomde> convo either sinks or swims
[22:52] <arko> "Howdy partner, you sure have a funny voice"
[22:52] <eroomde> swam nicely both times for me on the chicago/ny train thankfully
[22:52] <eroomde> lol
[22:52] <arko> Nice!
[22:52] <eroomde> the voice seems to be a good ice breaker
[22:52] <arko> Yeah
[22:52] <arko> "Derp you speak funny"
[22:52] <eroomde> fairly normal people on the last jounrey
[22:52] <arko> Then talk about driving on the wrong side of the road etc
[22:52] <arko> Nice
[22:53] <arko> Beats air travel
[22:53] <eroomde> a bartander girl exactly my age recovering from being hit by a car last year and enjoying some train rides given she can't really go back to work just yet
[22:53] <eroomde> she was a lot of fun
[22:53] <arko> Damn dude
[22:53] <eroomde> a pharmacist with a good sense of humour from ghana originally
[22:54] <eroomde> joking about how difficult christmases are when he goes back because his grandad had 10 wives
[22:54] <eroomde> and for breakfast i had a classics and history teacher from wisconsen who knew oxford and cambridge fairly well and was just an interesting conversationalist
[22:54] <eroomde> i mean, i talked to him over breakfast
[22:54] <eroomde> rather than, I had him for breakfast
[22:55] <arko> Hahahahaha
[22:55] <arko> I was like wut
[22:55] <arko> This is the kinda stuff i wish i could do
[22:55] <arko> Travel and meet folks
[22:56] <eroomde> why can't you?
[22:56] <arko> Stupid busy :(
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[22:56] <eroomde> ps you're fully 100% american citizen yeah?
[22:56] <arko> Yes
[22:56] <eroomde> i'm assuming so but tom asked
[22:56] <arko> Yeah... does he know im jpl?
[22:57] <eroomde> yes
[22:58] <eroomde> i told him
[22:58] <arko> Cool
[22:58] <eroomde> i guess he just has to check as he said if you were then he doesn't have to do anything but if not then he has to do a form
[22:58] <eroomde> you might be like doug ellison or somethign
[22:58] <arko> Man, foreign nationals are a pain when it comes to paperwork
[22:58] <arko> Ahh
[22:59] <eroomde> yeah
[22:59] <arko> Nah, 100% american
[22:59] <eroomde> sorry about that
[22:59] <eroomde> you should rename yourslef something like
[22:59] <eroomde> Chad Hairychest
[22:59] <arko> I dont need to fill any forms since the tom is the one giving the tour
[22:59] <eroomde> then there is no doubt
[23:00] <arko> Chad, lol
[23:00] <arko> Almost as bad as Chaz
[23:00] <eroomde> infact, i shall email doug
[23:00] <eroomde> silly me for not doing it sooner
[23:00] <eroomde> see if he wants a beer
[23:01] <arko> Dudeeeee
[23:01] <arko> Yes
[23:01] <arko> Do it now
[23:01] <eroomde> done
[23:01] <eroomde> done now
[23:01] <arko> Monday night
[23:01] <arko> Good
[23:02] <eroomde> well, i didn;t specify a night
[23:02] <eroomde> us british people don;t really need to single out a single night for a pub visit
[23:02] <arko> #highaltitude has become arko and eroomde chat about jpl again
[23:02] <eroomde> it's sort of an every day thing
[23:02] <eroomde> it is to us as a coffee shop is to the rest of the world
[23:02] <eroomde> a way of thinking
[23:02] <arko> Ledgit
[23:02] <eroomde> a way of being
[23:03] <arko> Legit*
[23:03] <eroomde> enjoying the bers here btw
[23:03] <arko> Oh yeah, theres a good coffee shop we should hit up
[23:03] <arko> Yes they are quiet good
[23:03] <arko> thebestcoffee.com
[23:03] <eroomde> i went to the grumpy cafe in manhatten
[23:03] <arko> Jpl serves it
[23:04] <eroomde> i think if/when i get an apartment there, it shall be in the wet village near that coffee shop
[23:04] <arko> Haha, heard of that and the nyan one too
[23:04] <eroomde> maybe like W21/22/23/24 between 8th and 9th
[23:04] <eroomde> that shall be my home
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[23:05] <eroomde> ok this recommended ale place is like 2 blocks from me
[23:05] <arko> Heh
[23:05] <eroomde> seriously, i'm in the foodie capital of chicago
[23:05] <eroomde> the loop has nothing
[23:05] <eroomde> north of the river is where it's at
[23:05] <arko> Go to that resturant where they yell at you
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[23:06] <chrisstubbs> Online at last :) http://predictor.chris-stubbs.co.uk/
[23:06] <chrisstubbs> vmware network issues....
[23:06] <arko> Nice!
[23:07] <chrisstubbs> with any luck i will get some predictions that dont end up in the sea/france ;)
[23:07] <arko> Hehe
[23:07] <chrisstubbs> anyway im off, night all
[23:07] <arko> Night!
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[23:08] <eroomde> it's too early for dinner
[23:09] <arko> Oh yeah
[23:09] <arko> 5pm there?
[23:09] <arko> Cst
[23:10] <eroomde> yep
[23:10] <eroomde> i am hungry tho
[23:10] <arko> I forgot to eat lunch
[23:10] <arko> Damn it
[23:11] <eroomde> i tend not to do that
[23:11] <eroomde> .
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[23:13] <arko> I need to get on a diet, ive inflated this year
[23:14] <eroomde> this holiday has not helped me certainly
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[23:15] <arko> Eat all the things
[23:15] <arko> Oh crap, im in lecture, i should take notes
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[23:27] <arko> This professor has the worst accent ever.. she sounds like Reba the country singer and the scream of a thousand crying cats
[23:29] <arko> And a little boomhower from king of the hill
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[23:45] <eroomde> i wish i knew what any of those are
[23:45] <eroomde> but i can still imagine
[23:45] <eroomde> i might try and head out
[23:45] <eroomde> sod it, hungry
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[23:46] <arko> Later dude
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[23:59] <Laurenceb_> damn
[23:59] <Laurenceb_> Utopia is one screwed up series
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