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[04:44] <jcims> has anyone experimented with steerable canopies (parafoil) plus gps/return-to-home logic for recovery?
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[05:35] <jcims> answered my own question, google 'Yakimenko Slegers snowflake'
[05:45] <x-f> somebody here has done that too some time ago, it was either SpeedEvil, or Laurenceb
[05:45] <x-f> W0OTM built a glider - http://www.ihabproject.com/BallooMerang/
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[06:26] <arko> Blah
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[08:50] <nosebleedkt> hi all
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> does anyone know some tutorial where I can use to clean up the stratosphere pictures ?
[08:51] <nosebleedkt> I mean my pictures are too light and blue .. I used a program and my noob skills so make the pictures a bit more cool
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> but those pictures are not 100% if you understand me
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> 100% original
[08:52] <nosebleedkt> maybe some tutorial specific to this scenario, might exist
[08:54] <Hiena> Colud you link some raw picture?
[08:55] <Hiena> Maybe some simple filter tweaking enough in PS or Gimp.
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[09:06] <nosebleedkt> Hiena, yeah. Wait
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[09:08] <nosebleedkt> Hiena, http://imagebin.org/244140
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[09:32] <nosebleedkt> Hiena, did you try it ?
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[09:36] <Hiena> Sorry, just away. I'll see it.
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[09:54] <Hiena> nosebleedkt: http://boreger.toons.hu/temp/IMG_0893_adj.JPG
[09:55] <Hiena> Just a little tweak with the curve tool. It works on the value, which means the darker colors vill be more darker.
[09:55] <Hiena> On the left the modified picture, on the right your original one.
[09:56] <nosebleedkt> hmmm
[09:56] <Hiena> You could do a same thing on the blue channel but it will throw off the color balance.
[09:56] <nosebleedkt> i could do this on my own.
[09:57] <nosebleedkt> this is my result
[09:57] <nosebleedkt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/53645_532648723415843_1645420085_o.jpg
[09:57] <nosebleedkt> which i consider a bit funny :)
[09:58] <fsphil> all the pictures from our first launch where very hazy
[09:58] <fsphil> it's just how the atmosphere was that day
[09:58] <fsphil> things where a lot better on my third
[09:59] <nosebleedkt> some camera must be build specifically for habs
[09:59] <nosebleedkt> :D
[09:59] <fsphil> infra-red :)
[09:59] <fsphil> black and white, but it'll see through the haze better
[09:59] <nosebleedkt> yea, that blue must disappear !
[10:00] <nosebleedkt> or we die if it is ?
[10:00] <Hiena> nosebleedkt: it's quite good. Sadly the aerial phoos really depends on the atmospheric humidity. The crisp winter days are the best. Sharp, bright pictures.
[10:00] <nosebleedkt> :D
[10:00] <nosebleedkt> Hiena yes you are right. But winter has many clouds which will make the ground invisible :(
[10:01] <nosebleedkt> if its a winter sunny day its ok.
[10:02] <Hiena> Patience little grashopper. You have to keep your equipment always set and ready, and you will avoid a lot of pointless assfreezing hours.
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[10:09] <jcoxon> i've worked out why the last k6rpt had gps issues
[10:10] <jcoxon> http://ballons-radioamateurs.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ballon-transatlantique-k6rpt-12-compte.html?spref=tw
[10:10] <jcoxon> tape over teh horizontal patch antenna
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[10:13] <mattbrejza> was that the one which gave wrong altitude readings and lat/long that jumped 30km or so?
[10:14] <mattbrejza> if so i still would have thought that would be a software issue
[10:16] <daveake> Unless that's a metalized label it should get enough sats anyway, and it looked much more like s/w to me
[10:17] <daveake> So I'd be surprised, though I have been surprised before :)
[10:19] <daveake> Someone else is sending up a Pi ... http://www.thisissouthdevon.co.uk/Young-scientists-reach-sky/story-17949937-detail/story.html
[10:19] <daveake> Actually I thought several would have by now
[10:19] <Hiena> How trendy...
[10:19] <daveake> :)
[10:19] <mattbrejza> there was a ssdv one recently but thats all i can think of
[10:20] <daveake> AFAIK apart from mine, it's just been that one, plus one in the USA that did some logging but not tracking
[10:20] <jcoxon> nah the tape will desensitise the antenna
[10:20] <jcoxon> the gps gets confused due to the weak signals
[10:21] <Hiena> 10 years ago nobody cared how you gathered your datas. Now you could gather a cool way (Aurdino or R Pi) or the weird way.
[10:21] <mattbrejza> a poor signal doesnt cause what happened to that flight though
[10:22] <Gadget-Mac> daveake: I suspect we'll see more once the A version appears, much more attractive on power usage
[10:23] <jcoxon> mattbrejza, it can on a ublox
[10:24] <jonsowman> morning
[10:24] <daveake> Yeah the A will help a lot. Taht and the camera will be a good combination
[10:26] <mattbrejza> still not convinced
[10:26] <mattbrejza> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=10&call=a%2Fk6rpt-12&others=1&timerange=3600&tail=3600
[10:26] <mattbrejza> somehow you can get data from a while back
[10:26] <mattbrejza> cant find it though
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[10:31] <jcoxon> certainly with a ublox when it is scrapping a lock it can give weird coords
[10:31] <jcoxon> such as when it boots up
[10:32] <mattbrejza> i think some pattern was found in the errors, it seemed to regular to just be bad signal
[10:32] <jcoxon> and if i remember correct a lot of the problem was it was getting 2d locks rather than 3d
[10:32] <x-f> it did look like a pattern to me
[10:33] <daveake> Me to, though even after staring at the numbers for a while I couldn't figure out what that was
[10:33] <mattbrejza> there were also packets that were so far off aprs didnt bother plotting
[10:34] <jcoxon> oh well, in my experience best leave a little gap off the patch
[10:34] <jcoxon> and probably not a great idea having it horizontal
[10:34] <jcoxon> especially if the payload is rotating
[10:34] <fsphil> yea esp. that kind of antena
[10:34] <fsphil> patch antennas are not the best even when flat
[10:36] <Hiena> Pancake time.
[10:37] Action: fsphil just had some cornflakes and hot milk
[10:38] Action: fsphil just burnt his tongue
[10:38] <fsphil> the two may be related
[10:44] <lz1dev> what if they are not ?
[10:45] <lz1dev> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
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[10:53] <fsphil> lol
[10:53] <griffonbot> Received email: Dave B "[UKHAS] Re: HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
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[10:54] <Gadget-Mac> Out of interest whats better, ublox and antenna on a ~30cm lead to the flight computer, or 30cm of RF coax to the antenna ?
[10:55] <mattbrejza> first one
[10:55] <fsphil> yea
[10:57] <mattbrejza> if you wanted to do the second for some reason you would need an active antenna
[10:59] <Gadget-Mac> Thats what I though, just a sanity check
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[12:08] <cuddykid> http://i.imgur.com/lqBcmM9.jpg
[12:10] <mattbrejza> in my head theres a car covered in antennas going the wrong way down the motorway with someone leaning out the window with that compass trying to look for their balloon
[12:10] <cuddykid> lol
[12:10] <mattbrejza> coming along nicely then?
[12:11] <jonsowman> looks good cuddykid
[12:11] <cuddykid> yeah, now exams have finished I've been able to do a bit of work
[12:11] <cuddykid> not too far off a reasonably stable version now
[12:12] <mattbrejza> but theres always lots of little things that need doing
[12:12] <cuddykid> yep
[12:12] <jonsowman> been finding that out have you mattbrejza? :P
[12:13] <mattbrejza> yea, such as odd phones that refuse to work when others do
[12:13] <jonsowman> mm yes
[12:13] <mattbrejza> so many null pointer exceptions
[12:13] <jonsowman> :D
[12:13] <cuddykid> that's the annoying bit - ensuring cross compatibility - but fortunately there's not too much fragmentation with iOS
[12:13] <cuddykid> just getting the resizing/layout constraints right is the nuissance
[12:13] <mattbrejza> the most annoying thing on android is screen sizes
[12:13] <cuddykid> yeah
[12:14] <mattbrejza> so atm it works best on tablets or larger phones
[12:14] <cuddykid> then flicking between landscape and portrait is annoying - might just prevent landscape mode :P
[12:15] <mattbrejza> ive sorted that, two layouts for each way round
[12:15] <mattbrejza> old version: http://imgur.com/0Ddmy
[12:16] <cuddykid> what map sdk is that mattbrejza?
[12:17] <mattbrejza> mapsforge
[12:17] <mattbrejza> (osm)
[12:18] <cuddykid> ah
[12:18] <mattbrejza> its a bit odd in what town names it draws ive noticed
[12:18] <jonsowman> bit like BBC weather
[12:18] <mattbrejza> lol indeed
[12:21] <craag> mattbrejza: Looks good! What size screen is that on?
[12:22] <mattbrejza> 10"
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[12:57] <cuddykid> UpuWork: just to let you know - the bits are on their way up via 1st class - guess it will arrive mon :)
[12:59] <UpuWork> ok thanks cuddykid
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[15:22] <griffonbot> Received email: Wouter Weggelaar [PA3WEG] "Re: [UKHAS] Re: HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
[15:26] <Laurenceb> http://www.tarduino.cc/
[15:29] <griffonbot> Received email: Wouter Weggelaar [PA3WEG] "[UKHAS] Re: HABrotate - Automatic Flight tracking with PstRotator"
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[15:32] <lz1dev> Laurenceb: stonertronics?
[15:33] <lz1dev> i wonder why they forgot the put content on
[15:33] <Laurenceb> because they got high
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[17:21] <arko> morning
[17:42] <Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/Nyk0y.png
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[17:56] <Hix> The good news ---> http://i.imgur.com/zGtkkcz.png
[17:57] <Hix> The bad news - the sarantel has properly bought it this time....
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[18:18] <Hix> Odd - $$HixHAB,20,4294:96:72,1000.0000,1000.0000,9999999,255,*BF43
[18:18] <Hix> from
[18:18] <Hix> sprintf(datastring,"$$HixHAB,%d,%02d:%02d:%02d,%s,%s,%ld,%d,", count, hour, minute, second, latitudeBuffer, longitudeBuffer, gpsAltitude, numberOfSatellites);
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[18:19] <Hix> htat doesn't lookk like gps error, it looks like the bvalues arent being passed properly? correct?
[18:21] <Hix> in fact alt and no of sats looks like max permissible values
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[18:34] <x-f> Hix, have you tried the samples, that came with TinyGPS?
[18:35] <W0OTM> Howdy
[18:36] <x-f> hi, iHABer
[18:36] <W0OTM> :)
[18:36] <W0OTM> its good to be back
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[18:40] <Hix> x-f, yup it's just spitting out *s
[18:41] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtl-sharping.jpg <-- how i would describe my life right now :P
[18:42] <Hix> x-f, would it spit values like that out if it was recieving * instead of numbers?
[18:44] <x-f> Hix, i think yes, it would spit out the default max values
[18:45] <x-f> have you checked the connections?
[18:45] <Hix> as in reversed? They aren't
[18:45] <x-f> ublox should return sensible data even if it has no fix
[18:49] <Hix> tried to change pin #s and checked polarity, nothing on the test sketch
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[18:51] <Hix> I think the sarantel is just goosed from being knocked off again 1252 needed methinks
[18:51] Nick change: arko -> mcafee
[18:52] <x-f> do you have a simple sketch, that outputs everything from the GPS without modification?
[18:52] Nick change: mcafee -> arko
[18:53] <Hix> errrm nope and haven't got a usb to serial cable with me so can't read raw data
[18:53] <Hix> oh hang on - serial.read print.serial shold do it no?
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[18:54] <Hix> but i still think the antenna is totalled
[18:54] <x-f> try this - http://pastebin.com/scDir1i7
[18:54] <x-f> also - remove the power completely for a few seconds to be sure to reset the GPS
[18:57] <Hix> hmmm raw is outputting $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48
[18:57] <x-f> is it close to the window?
[18:58] <Hix> yup - up against it, normallt gets a fix in the middle of the room no problems, got led on time too so i can vis when fix
[18:58] <x-f> GPGGA should show the time
[18:59] <Hix> that would rely on it getting time from [is it ] empheris
[18:59] <Hix> or almanac
[18:59] <Hix> no antenna no time [cue marley tune]
[18:59] <x-f> heh
[19:00] <Hix> grrr - sodding typical, get code that looks like it'll work - break gps.
[19:00] <Hix> might try and feed arduino from bluetooth gps linked to laptop via serial
[19:01] <Hix> if i can work out how to port the data frokm say com3 to com7
[19:01] <daveake> If you have a DMM just put it on the GPS Tx line. If it wobbles around below 3.3V then it's transmitting
[19:01] <costyn> jarod: nice... "helemaal los er op" as we would say in Dutch :)
[19:02] <costyn> jarod: so, 2 dvb sticks and 2 antenna's?
[19:02] <jarod> 3
[19:02] <jarod> http://x264.nl/dump/rtlsdr-mini-how-to.jpg
[19:02] <jarod> 1x radio, 1x adbs#, 1x acars
[19:03] <jarod> ordered 4, only got 3 (1 on its way) + 6 new ordered :p
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[19:03] <costyn> jarod: what is acars?
[19:03] <costyn> jarod: what? why do you need ... 10?
[19:03] <jarod> http://www.acarsd.org/
[19:04] <jarod> cus the mini rox :)
[19:04] <costyn> Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System also called Email for Aircrafts
[19:04] <costyn> aha
[19:05] <jarod> running just for fun :0
[19:05] <costyn> yea
[19:05] <costyn> uploading it to flightradar24 too?
[19:05] <jarod> yup
[19:07] <jarod> and http://78.129.167.24:9920/listen.pls 121.1MHz
[19:07] <jarod> TMA ... not for much longer though :)
[19:07] <costyn> jarod: nice
[19:08] <Hix> daveake,it is transmitting, just not transmitting useful info
[19:08] <costyn> jarod: TMA?
[19:08] <Hix> can i feed som e bs data from a csv to adruino?
[19:08] <jarod> http://fr24.com/52.31,4.95/10 follow planes here
[19:08] <daveake> Hix So you're seeing NMEA or not?
[19:08] <Hix> yeah $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,99.99,,,,,,*48
[19:08] <jarod> costyn: http://x264.nl/dump/schiphol_radio.txt
[19:08] <jarod> Terminal Control Area http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Control_Area
[19:08] <Hix> antenna goosed from drop#2
[19:09] <daveake> Well that would stop it getting a lock. Is that what you're seeing?
[19:09] <Hix> yup
[19:09] <daveake> OK. Sarantel?
[19:10] <Hix> uh huh
[19:10] <Hix> old stylee
[19:10] <Hix> now dead :)
[19:10] <Hix> I reckong i've got my code working too - sods law
[19:10] <Hix> http://i.imgur.com/zGtkkcz.png
[19:10] <daveake> On the FSA03, the centre pin from the Sarantel would lift and break the thin pcb tracker
[19:11] <daveake> Fixable with a thin piece of wire and a steady hand
[19:11] <daveake> track*
[19:11] <Hix> yup -pretty sure it's done that - got a spare breakout at home though, just not with me
[19:11] <Hix> so all isn't lost for the weekend
[19:12] <Hix> and i get some ublox soldering practice for my board :D
[19:12] <Hix> sorry soddering
[19:12] <Hix> ;p
[19:12] <costyn> :)
[19:12] <Hix> soddering the sodding sarantel
[19:13] <Hix> is acars open to anyone then?
[19:13] <costyn> wat bedoelde je met 'TMA ... not for much longer though'?
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[19:13] <costyn> darn
[19:13] <costyn> wrong window
[19:14] <Hix> i understood TMA ;p
[19:14] <Hix> i think - terminal manouvering area
[19:16] <costyn> Hix: yes
[19:17] <Hix> the rest.... what [verb] you with?
[19:17] <Hix> i think
[19:20] <Hix> daveake, do you know if you can feed b.s gps data from a csv or suchlike
[19:21] <daveake> b.s.?
[19:21] <daveake> If you want to test without a GPS, you can just get some NMEA data from a flight or whatever, and send that out a serial port into your tracker
[19:22] <daveake> There's a page about that in the wiki
[19:22] <Hix> ok - i'll have a search thought the wiki
[19:22] <Hix> b.s polite for not true
[19:23] <Hix> !=polite
[19:23] <daveake> ah
[19:23] <daveake> thought it was a technical term I'd missed :)
[19:23] <Hix> it is oft used in my profession - normally in meetings
[19:24] <Hix> well, most of them involve people speaking it
[19:25] <daveake> Not the page I was thinking of, but this covers it - http://ukhas.org.uk/guides:common_coding_errors_payload_testing
[19:28] <Hix> http://ukhas.org.uk/code:emulator?s[]=nmea
[19:28] <Hix> that it
[19:28] <Hix> ?
[19:29] <daveake> thatbeit
[19:29] <Hix> good good. so annoying that i reckong the code i've got actually works and I go drop the gps.
[19:31] <Hix> dunno why i've started typing reckong instead of reckon
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[19:45] <fsphil> mmm haggis
[19:45] <arko> EW
[19:45] <arko> dude
[19:45] <jarod> costyn
[19:45] <arko> i saw the how it's made on that
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[19:45] <jarod> btw, i have 6 "big" ones as well :P
[19:45] <fsphil> it's nice on toast arko
[19:45] <arko> i enjoy my toast without guts thank you :P
[19:46] <arko> oh scotland
[19:46] <fsphil> aah, what's the bladder.. I mean, matter
[19:46] <arko> hahaha
[19:46] <arko> i wonder who thought of that
[19:46] <fsphil> does make you wonder
[19:46] <fsphil> what where they up to
[19:46] <arko> "oy! lets take these guts, grind them, then shmear it on bread"
[19:47] <fsphil> "hey jimmy, you know what'll p*ss of the english?!"
[19:47] <arko> "bloody hell this tastes fantastic, lets bottle it!"
[19:47] <arko> haha
[19:47] <arko> haggis has been a 300 year old prank
[19:47] <arko> gone right
[19:47] <fsphil> lol
[19:48] <arko> then again, im eating bratwurst tonight
[19:49] <arko> schmeck gut
[19:49] <arko> *cant spell in german*
[19:49] <fsphil> the germans certainly do like a sausage
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[19:50] <arko> mmm now i want kabob
[19:50] <arko> my inner armenian needs it
[19:51] <arko> it's our only source of fuel
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[20:10] <OZ1SKY_Brian> hi
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[20:41] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> it's quiet
[21:05] <Lunar_Lander> xD
[21:06] <fsphil> BOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:07] <Lunar_Lander> xD
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[22:22] <SpeedEvil> http://pinehead.tv/space/comparing-heat-shields-mars-science-lab-vs-spacex-dragon/
[22:22] <SpeedEvil> the entire second stage of grasshopper gets covered in phenolic ablator
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[22:27] <OZ1SKY_Brian> gn all
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[23:03] <arko> PICA is awesome
[23:04] <SpeedEvil> indeed
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[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> hi Arbition
[23:17] <Lunar_Lander> arko it is
[23:18] <arko> hello
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